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The Ryen Russillo Podcast
Shedeur Sanders or Jaxson Dart as QB2? Plus, Senior Bowl Takeaways With Todd McShay and a Memphis-Portland-All Star Tales from the Couch.
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Ryan Rosillo
Foreign little tales from the couch. Memphis big win. We'll talk a little bit about my trailblazers and All Star snouts. One of my least favorite pieces of content out there. Senior bowl draft stuff. We've got football. McShay is back home full of information how the quarterback class is shaking out a bit. Just go Abdul Carter. A lot of good stuff from McShay and we've got life advice, Kyle and we're gonna Today, this episode of the Ryan Rosilla Podcast is presented by State Farm. Bring home a win with an affordable price when you bundle home and auto with the personal price plan. Talk to Estate Farm Agent today to learn how you can bundle and save with the personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings and eligibility vary by state. This episode is brought to you by Pepcid Complete. 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Visit pepcid.com to shop now all day based on 8 hour symptom relief studies during the day. Use product only as directed. A little tales from the couch for you, but I'm not going to run around to everything that we saw the last couple nights. And don't worry, for those of you that love this, we will hit it hard post Super Bowl. So the main game that I was really into last night, although I did have a bit of a detour, was Memphis's comeback win against Houston. It was a fun game and if you want to start doing the seating Stuff which is way too early, but we can do it a little bit. Looking at the number two seed now, Memphis a half game behind Houston after finally getting a win against the Rockets. You can get into, as I said, it's too early to do this. Some of the two seed versus three seed stuff being like, hey, is it better to be the 3 seed than it would be the 2 seed? You playing again. This is already said too early three times. Would you rather play. Let's just. If you played it out, would you rather play one of the LA teams in a 3, 6 matchup if that's where they were to land, as opposed to Minnesota figuring some things out. A healthy Dallas, a healthy Phoenix, like I can see how I rather play the Lakers than Minnesota and Dallas Phoenix is just really tough for me even because even when they were winning, I didn't necessarily like what I was seeing. But then you have this clippers team that's 27, 20. What this group has done, what the front office has done, what Ty Lue has done, and the coaching staff, they deserve more credit than they're getting. And I know I already touched on it a bit on the last episode when I talked about them moving on from Paul George and not wanting to give him that fourth year, which I think about every time I watch Paul George. But Kawhi's back nine games in a career when. Well, not a career high. A career high 29 minutes would be not that great of a number, but it is a season high 29 minutes. The other night when he had 27 at San Antonio in that win, he played in his first fourth quarter in the Phoenix game where they took him out and had they kept him in, maybe they get that game too. So it's not like they've been just pushing as hard as they possibly can here in the standings, but they've found a way. Whether it's the high hardened usage again. But Norm Powell, we can get to some of the all star stuff here at the end a little bit. But then also having just multiple wings that they like. If you look at the defensive numbers, did you know that the number two defense behind OKC, the LA Clippers OKC is an insane 3.4 points better than the number two Clippers. Like the Gap there is ridiculous last 10 games. Defensively the Clippers are number one. So maybe you don't want the Clippers, especially if Kawhi, who you saw it look better than just the first games back when he was barely playing, to see him go off for 27 not surprising based on what I saw in some of the Phoenix minutes there. So back to the Memphis, Houston part of this. Memphis had lost three straight this season of Houston guys missing all over the place. If you go through those things, like, whenever I look at, like, the season series and I try to get ready for the playoffs, looking at this stuff, like, just have to keep going back and back and back. It's like every fan base will just go, yeah, but we didn't have this guy. And we're like, yeah, I know I'm right. It's like, it's just impossible to keep track of. Last night, though, no jaw from Memphis for Houston. No Shingon. I did wonder as I was watching it, I was like, what's a bigger loss? Is it jaw? Not maybe this season of jaw, but, you know, the best version of jaw is probably the bigger loss because the way they run their stuff offensively, so much of it's through jaw, where Houston's depth, you know. Also Vince Williams is missing games. Gigi's been back. Not afraid of letting it fly. We'll take it easy on him with some of the shot selection. Maybe he just sees Aldama get those shots up and he's like, well, I might as well take a couple if he's going to keep shooting like this. One of the things I was looking at. And again, this is off some of the draft stuff with Zach Edie. But we had a lot of debates about Edie before the draft. And then you find out, like, he's. You hear he's like, he's definitely going lottery, especially that year 24, for a weird draft class. And then he starts putting up some numbers, and then it kind of turns, like, back the other way. It's like, oh, all of you people that doubted him. And my thing would be, okay, his floor is good, but is his ceiling anything more than a rotational big, or do you envision him being like a starting center in this league, like, playing 30 minutes and because of his size and his shooting touch and all that stuff, like, it was never about, is ZD good or bad? It's, it's. How do you use him in today's NBA and against Houston, I don't like it. I think it's a problem. And if they were ever to, like, face each other in the playoffs, like, this is the kind of stuff I think about when I'm watching some of these games. Because it was very clear that Houston was like, let's get him in the actions when he's out there in the 17 minutes that he played last night, I didn't like really any of them. He was a minus A. He was a minus two. But that's not really what it was because I went through all of it and kind of looked at like game one, he was a minus 11, 13 points, 9 boards. Game two, he was a minus 4, 4 points, 3 boards. Game three is a plus 11, 2.7 boards. Last night he was the only minus of the starter. So everybody else averaged a plus nine on board, plus minus. And he was a negative two, which isn't a huge number. And yeah, plus minus can get a little weird throughout all of that. So there's not some egregious collective number on his plus minus against Houston in these matchups. But I can just tell you that it's not like Jenkins wanted to close with him. And I could tell you that also when you're asking Edie to get into the ball screen action and you're bringing him up, it's a lot to ask of him. And this is the part of like the draft evaluation where you go, okay, you're not going to get run into pick and roll like on 90 possessions in the course of a game. But you can see that if Van Vliet's coming off the screen, there's going to be space to dribble up into a pull up because Edie is trying to play too. And I still think the hardest thing we ask any NBA player to do in this game is the center. That has to show on the high ball screen and potentially contest a three against a decent shooter. Stay in position to try to stay in front of somebody quick with the ball in their hands and then also be able to retreat and follow the rolling big. That was their original defensive assignment. So as you saw these possessions playing out, there's just a lot of room if you're coming off of that, keeping the ball and going at Edie because he's trying to backpedal. And as I said, as hard as it is, like, that's why Prime Rudy Gobert was insane in this. I don't know that there was ever anybody that's played two is one as well as Rudy has. So you're asking him to do something really hard already, and it's something he'll understand a little bit better positionally, I guess, as he. As he gets more experienced. But the other side of this is that Stephen Adams took nine shots last night because he knew roll hard because Edie's going to be slower to recover. Back to me and when the guard knows that they're going to pass it back to me. Adams had nine shot attempts last night. That's a season high. The dude averages, I think, two shots a game on the season. So just something to think about, and definitely something to think about if they were to face each other in the playoffs. Bane was great. Numbers are down because his shots are down. I think he's down like four or five shots per game his career, 41% from three. So, you know, that's always there. But what I love from him last night is that when he knew they needed him with Jaren Jackson and his foul trouble, because that would be the number one option with no jaw last night. Of course, offensively, Bane just as smart. He's just smart about this stuff. I think Aldama got a little shot happy. I mean, takes some really tough shots, even though he is a really skilled offensive player. And Aldama ends up playing center last night defensively in some of the small lineups from Memphis. But Bane just with momentum coming off some kind of handoff. They don't run a ton of ball screens. The takeoff on Bain's layups, I think he's in the dunk contest or the less impressive layup contest, which they have not installed into All Star Week. Jaren Jackson, my guy, my All Star starter, 31 minutes last night, got into foul trouble. Not a shock, is tied with Sabonis with 154 total fouls on the season. Although it makes more sense that Sabonis would have more fouls because he's playing center and just getting destroyed over the course of the games. And he's played way more minutes. Like, I. I thought I had the number here, but, like, way more minutes than Jackson has played. So whatever. But Jackson hit the big floater. You know, Brooks does a good job on, like, not letting Jackson get depth. Brooks defensively was doing some really nice stuff. Like, some possessions he's got Jared Jackson. Other possessions he's got Bane coming off the screen. So you want to talk about versatility, but Jackson, in a huge, huge possession, you know, got down, found a way. He even went at Eamon Thompson, who a man didn't even look. I said his name twice, two different ways. He didn't even look like he wanted to drive on Jackson, which is pretty rare if you've been watching this Thompson experience the last couple weeks. But there was a huge bucket there. And then, of course, he hit the free throws after the ridiculous timeout that the ref gave to Memphis when they didn't Ask for it when it looked like Wells is breaking away for the game. Well, the go ahead layup, which I shouldn't say the game winning because Houston was going to get a possession again. So we talked fouls there a little bit. Let's talk clutch offense for Houston. These clutch numbers for Houston, you know you're never going to see this. I don't think they're number one in clutch wins. They lose last night, but they still have 17 wins. That's the most in the NBA despite having the 19th ranked clutch offense. So are they doing it with defense? Well, a little bit. Their point differential, they're 17 and 10 now in clutch games. Their, their net rating is a negative 1.2. I think they're like 19th in net rating for clutch games except they have more wins than everybody else. And so yes, some of its defense or whatever, I went through the Van Vliet stuff for it because you have a late turnover, you've got the missed three, the last play down one, you know the rules. Tied down one, down two, you gotta go for down three is when you go for two. Now I'm kidding. But you understand the point that I'm trying to make here is nobody, everybody hates two pointers when they're down one of the game is tied. There's some Van Vliet stuff here in the clutch minutes that are about as bad as you would think. His shooting splits are 29 from the floor, 25% from 3. Clutch shooting numbers just go down basically for kind of everybody because the shots are just harder. Like if you look at Jalen Green, it's not like he's lighting it up at 33 and 27 shooting splits there. But then when you think about Houston and where they're at offensively because there feels like there's a lot of like these late Van Vliet things and the numbers have been pretty bad with it. If you look at like his offensive rating and the splits on some of the stuff that's happened, he's actually, even though he's undersized that you think he'd be attacked defensively, his defensive numbers shake out better than his offensive numbers. But are you going to run a play for Shingoon at center on a last second shot? Because what they ran is they inbounded to Amen and then there was a handoff look and then a fake handoff look essentially for Amenda drive. But Clark actually played him really good on his, on his ball hand. So then Amen had to throw it back to Van Vliet and then he gets a switch onto Jaren Jackson, which you're thinking, do you really want that against defensive player of the year? Maybe it's because he had five fouls, but he actually got some space in the step back three. It's just still a very, very tough shot. I know we did the trade value stuff with Bill. I was like, as much as we all love Thompson right now, is he going to be somebody just opening up a side for a running ball screen, last second, whatever. He kind of got me on. They just did it with Boston. I would argue it was 4 seconds left, it was an inbound and they just sort of like make something happen. Will Thompson be somebody that they're going to be doing that stuff for because they don't like the Van Fleet options? I don't know. That's asking a lot in his development. One year in for playoff games. Although that pull up mid range jumper that looks a little clunky because he kicks out his legs, he's doing it more and more and I love the fact that he's even taken that. But again, if you're running through these Houston options, you kind of understand why he keeps coming back to Van Vliet so much. Unless you just think Jalen Green should run something on the high pick and roll, pick up, drive, try to get the free throw line, that's fine. As much as I love Jabari, you're not doing that with him. So some very weird clutch numbers, three possessions there at the end where it didn't work out for him. Now, full transparency. I got a little behind on Houston, Memphis because of my Trailblazers playing on one of the other televisions at my home taking on the Magic. I'm not going to worry about the Magic yet. Let's have everybody back and playing together for a little while. But God, their offense is terrible. But the Trailblazers, on the positive side, they've won six to seven by the way. Paolo. And Paolo's been back. Franz is back too. For those that may be not paying a ton of attention here and there's some nice wins in there in the six of seven. Cause sometimes I'll just look at stuff and be like, is that the schedule or what's going on? They beat Orlando twice. They've got Milwaukee and everybody there was in that Bucks game recently. Just the other night, Chicago, a Miami win. So it's not just that. If you look at this stretch, this could be the stretch where you're like, hey, that was the stretch that cost us Cooper Flag if you're a Trailblazers fan. Although look realistically with their record, they're seven behind seven I guess wins ahead or losses behind the bottom four. So I don't know, I just think they're just probably too good to have had one of the top four chances at landing in there. The defense by the way, because it's not the offense. They're 21st in offense the last 10 games. They're eighth on defense. And if you actually really want to dig into this seven game stretch for the Trailblazers during the seven again winning six seven. They're the number two defense in the NBA. You want to know number one is. You're never going to guess that your Toronto Raptors. But look, it's Abdia playing well. It's Sharp who I think is their best player is the best hope for what they could have. You know, like again we're talking about the number one option. So that's a very short list of players that I like having that role. You know, Simons is a bucket. I'm not an Ayton guy. We already know that and we can talk scoop. We all know my history with Scoot. Loving him before the draft and it looking just viciously ugly at times last year. This has been a really nice stretch for him. I don't know if he's going to be like a multiple time all star the way I kind of when I first fell in love with him, the hope that he could be that that would be his ceiling. And I understand like athletically it's not just lightning off the dribble stuff and I don't even like comparing people to Derrick Rose with the ball in the beginning because it's just even that was absurd for NBA guys. Nobody should be compared to like Westbrook's first step. I'd say Levine's first step. Like Prime Levine. So you know to ask like hey Scoot going to be in any of those things? Well, no. And but he didn't shoot. And then you could just tell he was, he was just lost. And even in some games this year where I knew he had better moments and bigger box scores, there were just still possessions where I would watch, I'd go it just doesn't feel like it's processing. And if that's not happening in combination with not loving the shooting numbers and that he's probably not going to be a rim finisher against size. Like you know what I'm. What am I working with here? Well what we're working with here is a Guy that's way more comfortable and his reads and some of the stuff that he's doing off the ball, which is against some of the stuff when I really liked him the first time through the G League, you were like, oh, that's really smart for a guy his age. Or he's thinking about pushing the ball up the court or he's trying to get rid of it here. Like he had a read to Ayton that was incredible. And then he also had some really nice drives in there too. But I think this is the most important thing on the growth and the hope that Scoot's going to be like a long term starting point guard is that, you know, we'll see how this number shakes out the rest of the way. But Tom Haberstro part of the broadcast, always good with the numbers. Top pull up three point field goal percentage in January, minimum 30 attempts. Scooter's number one in the NBA hitting about 52% of those shots. That's an absurd number. He's not going to do that the entire time. And yeah, it's a snapshot of one month there, but it's been consistently better for longer stretches. Despite there's still plays where I'm like, what did he not see? Is he unsure? And I also think there were stretches last year and into this year where his confidence looked absolutely shot, which is the last thing that I saw from a guy that I was so excited for before the draft. So there's a little trailblazers for you. Okay, last thing. All star snubs. I do not like snub content because I would. And again, this is not going to be super popular with the audience. I would rather a little disappointment in society than absolute contentness. Sorry. When it comes to competitive things. When it comes to competitive things, it should be special. It, it should be like, man, I got, I got left out now. It got really weird pretty quickly. Like Devin Booker, my guy was, was going off. Trey Young never accused of being my guy. Tweeted out. Now it's just you got trade. Like that's a little narcissistic. But point guards and quarterbacks can be. We know corners are. Look, winning seemed to be a deciding factor on this or at least standings. I would say coaches care the most, media cares the second most about winning and fans, Canada care the least. The standings were rewarded in some of the arguments with Shingoon over Sabonis. Numbers wise, it's hard to. It's hard to make an argument for Shingoon over Sabonis. That's clearly Houston being like, they're not going to have any All Stars. Like, you got to put somebody on them when they're the number two seed in the West. So I think that's your story there. Harden over Norman Powell. The counting stats are still better for Harden. If you want to beat up on Harden, I've seen it before and be like, oh, he's below 40% shooting from the floor even I wouldn't do that. It's 399 we round up in this game. So, you know, he's at 4. Again, not an awesome number. The usage is up for him. There's some metric stuff that tell you norms better. But Norms played 39 games and Hardens play 44. Kyrese played 38. Mark Cuban had an interesting tweet we want to talk about, like just being all in on it now. I think he was ripping the All Star ratings potentially because Kyrie and Luka aren't going to be there. Lucas played 22 games. I mean, I'd love for Luca to be there as like a top five guy, but you can't really make that argument when you be leaving off some other guys that have played more games. So we have the Trey Young thing that we touched on. Yeah. What was Cuban's tweet here? Cause it was pretty aggressive. Those TV ratings for the All Star are going to be crazy. Lol. NBA gonna NBA just insane. Luka and Kai aren't going. I would hear a Kyrie argument for it. I would. And if you want to talk about standings, I mean, I think they were a game behind the Clippers in the Western standings when the announcements were made. Is a game and a half behind today. Is it really? Because Harden's played 44 games and Kyrie's played 38. Now people are like, what the hell's Rosilla going to do with a Kyrie Harden off here? I would give the nod to Kyrie. I don't think the standings are enough there, Luca. Tougher. 22 games, crowded field, probably not going to happen. Trey Hero, whatever. I like probably Trey better than Hero. Not going to get super worked up about it. Here's what is not a snub Lamelo ball. You're like, oh, he's just warming up. These are his warmup. This is a bullpen session. Lamelo is not an All Star. The coaches agree. Your kids don't. But the coaches agree he's also played. Even though I know the counting stats are really impressive. He's played 31 games this year. And the team stinks. So it's not like he has all of his averages. With a full slate of games and a team that's in the play and they're not even. They're not even in that. Here's a stat that you need to remember if you're a lamello guy over 14 years old. I looked at it because I was like, you know what? I want to. I want to see where this number's at right now. This is a massive stat. Lamelo takes over 34 field goal attempts per 100 possessions. All right? So if you go the per 100, which is, like, a good indicator if you're, like, looking at minutes, because every now and then, I'll, like, look at cam Whitmore's per 100. Like, how many shots is this dude taking? Cause he takes a lot. I think Cam Thomas last year, I. I had him fourth. Although Cam Thomas can make some shots. All right. I'll give him that. I wouldn't be that stupid to deny the ability, but it's kind of like, all right, that's a lot of shots. You know how many shots? 34.3 is. I had to go all the way back to Kobe Bryant in 2006, the Kobe Bryant 2006 season, where he took 35 shots per 100 possessions. So that's. Lamelo has the highest field goal attempts per 100 since Kobe Bryant in 2006, and it was fucking Kobe Bryant. Okay, Are you sensing a theme here with Lamelo's game? And I know some of you don't want to hear me talk about him, because I didn't think he was going to be even this good for the draft. He's incredibly talented. He's big. His start, stop, start again is incredible. His vision, the passing, But. And he's kind of like, you know, what do you think the coaches would actually tell you? Like, yeah, this is awesome. No, it's awesome. I love it. I love having this guy have the ball in his hands this much and shooting all the time. He's not even healthy right now. I'm not even. You know, I don't want to knock him there, but, like, if you're. If you've gone through puberty and you're pissed that Lamelo is snubbed for the All Star team, I don't know. I don't know what to do with it. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. State Farm helps you score an affordable price. 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Todd McShay
It's good to see you scrambling this morning, man. Flight landed like 1:30 bags then and got home at like 2:30 unwound, 3:30. My camera wasn't working. I'm clicking on the wrong link. But I'm happy to be here. I feel like I'm finally settled down. How you doing, bud?
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Ryan Rosillo
I'm good. So I was watching again the McShay Show. He was with Steve Minch throughout the week, watching the video. And I was watching the quarterback episode, too, because you guys got multiple days with all these guys. It just feels like Jackson Dart is the headline of the entire experience.
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Todd McShay
Yeah. It's weird, right? Because. Because coming in, he's absolutely the headline. And the more people you talk to in the league, it's like, remember last year, we had the conversation. It's like, Caleb Williams is number one. Then who's two? Is it Drake May? Is it Jaden Daniels?
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Ryan Rosillo
I'll give you credit, too, because, like, the closer we got to it, you were. You were basically saying, like, I don't know if there's really that much of a gap. If not you. You like Jaden as much as I think you like Caleb.
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Which is kind of like defaulting to. Well, Caleb probably go number one. Everybody's been talking about him for a couple years. But as that was building towards the draft, I remember you. And again, maybe our conversations off the air where you were like, it might be a toss up and I actually might like Jaden better. So there you go.
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Todd McShay
And to that point this year, I'm not saying that people were like, jackson Dart is better than Shador Sanders or even Cam Ward or. But I'm saying the conversations in the league sometimes are different than the conversations you see in social media and in the media in general. And. And I. So I took time before the Senior bowl and watched a couple more tapes of Jackson Dart. And I'll be totally honest, like, early in his career, I thought maybe, you know, that. I don't want to say that system but the way they ran the football and the fact that it was so run heavy and some of the throws were kind of lined up in vertical shots from, from Lane Kiffin in that offensive system. I didn't write him off, but I didn't know that he was ever going to progress to where he progressed this season. And so we'll get a lot more into Jackson Dart as we continue to get closer. But going into the Senior bowl and starting to talk to people and then on the field and practice field and talking to different general managers and scouts and stuff, I think there's a, I think there's a healthy debate in terms of the quarterbacks this year. I think majority right now would say Cam Ward over Shador, but that doesn't mean, you know, it's probably closer to a 60, 65% majority and the percentage of that would be Shador. I haven't talked to anyone who thinks Jackson darts QB1, but the conversations I was having is that there are, there are some teams that think the conversation between Shador Sanders and Jackson Dart is a lot closer than people might think. Okay, so with that is the backdrop, you're coming in and it's like Jackson Dart and Jalen Milrose there and can Jalen have a big week and we know how talented he is but the accuracy issues and some of the struggles we saw this season, what are we going to see there? So while Jackson Dart clearly is the best and was the best quarterback throughout the week, it wasn't like he set the world on fire and it wasn't anything that Jackson Dart did. It's just kind of a progressive week there. Right. Like the first day is installs and there's a lot of kind of figuring out who the receivers are and getting on the same page with them. They're throwing an NFL football. There's understanding the verbiage, getting everyone lined up. Like there's just so much swimming through all the quarterbacks heads and it's not as like, it's not, it's not as physical a practice and not as many like live game type reps. Second day is much more physical. Second day you've kind of started to figure things out and you saw Jackson Dart make a kind of a nice big step the second day and the third day I thought he was really good as well, but it was a lot of, you know, installs, red zone area, confined area throws. So it wasn't like during the week you walked away and were like holy shit, Jackson Dart blew me away. Right. But it also wasn't set up that way, if that makes sense. I just think when you, when you watch dart, everything's good to really good. He doesn't have elite. He doesn't have Josh Allen's arm, but he's got a really good arm. Doesn't have a Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen's mobility, but he's, he's really mobile. He doesn't have the elite accuracy, but it's really good. And then you couple that with his experience and his improvement and the things I'm seeing on tape in terms of setting protections, reading coverages, throwing on time. I like him a lot more than I thought I ever would like Jackson Dart. Let's just leave it at that right now. And I thought he had a really good week and I'm excited to see him in the game and then I'm excited to talk to people in the league about his process, where he is on the board, the interviews and just kind of how teams are getting to know him more. I think he's got a chance to climb up. I'll be surprised if he's not at least the third quarterback taken. I think there's a really good chance Jackson Dart winds up in the first round.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, see, that's where I wanted to go with this and it worked out perfectly because when I think about the class for this year, it's underwhelming. And then it's like, is Jackson the guy that's the best of all the other options? Is it that he's improved? And there's a lot that I like about him. Like all of us can point to a couple games, the Florida interceptions, management at the end of the Kentucky game's a disaster. But I know he's tough as shit and I never watched him thinking like, oh, there's some real limitations on what his throws can be. So I've liked him. I remember the first time I watched him at sc. I was like, this guy is like afraid of nothing. I'm afraid. You know, I was afraid he was going to get like both his legs broken at some point because I was like, this dude is like so aggressive, it's almost dangerous. But he's filled out, I think quite a bit. I think body type wise not to go like baseball hips and ass stuff. But like that stuff's really important, right? Jimmy Touchdown. Never forget walking behind Jimmy Touchdown at Santa Monica one time and I was like, small hips, small hips, man.
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Todd McShay
Anyway, I love you as my measurables guy body types.
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Ryan Rosillo
I've tried to get better. I've Tried to get better. Mark Dominic loved that story so much. He was like, that's it. Never stop scouting. Never stop scouting. Right. And I was like, never. I was like we were leaving, we were both around, we didn't talk to each other. But I just remember walking behind Jimmy Claussen going, man, man, those are some thin hips. Anyway, doesn't maybe it doesn't mean anything. Maybe he just was, you know, he was born at the wrong time. So if you go through the guys back disappointment right now he's somewhere else. We'll get to Milroe. You were staying but you know, in the mix Wigman A and M. Now he's going to be gone. Like you had all. Nussmeier decides to stay. You had all of these guys potentially like who could be the first round group and you're missing like 75% of them.
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Because they were so disappointing. They're at another school and they were like, and I'm coming back. I Nussmeier to me is not in the disappointment group of all those guys. So like, is Jackson, is he just better than everybody else or is he just better than all of these other projected options? Which I think is a big part. As much as I like him with, with a limitation on that, I think that probably has as much to do with it as, as it does the evaluation, just the options alone.
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Todd McShay
It absolutely could play a part in all this. There's no question. And, and as a, as a personnel staff, you've got to guard against that. Right. Because what happens is you live in this bubble and now, okay, what's the class? And you condense this class as you just detailed and then from that point you start comparing and contrasting and you put on one tape from Shador, you put on a tape from Cam, you put on a tape from Jackson, but you're not putting on a tape of. And a lot of good organizations will do this, but you're not putting on a tape of Jaden or Caleb at USC or Drake May. And so I think everyone agrees in the league, the jumping off point is at minimum, four from last year's class. And most people, if you go back and evaluate, I think that J.J. mcCarthy rated ahead of any of these guys and some had Michael Penix rated higher and some had Bo Nix rated higher. So I think you're talking about like fourth or fifth quarterback when you get to where this year's top quarterback would have fallen into the ranks last year in 2024's draft class. So yeah, it will absolutely factor in and it certainly will help Jackson Dart in terms of what number overall he's drafted. But at the end of the day, you got to figure out, can this guy be our starting quarterback? And if the answer is we really believe he can be, he's going to be a first round pick.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay. The other guys that I know, Melro got off to a rough start. It sounds like you started to like him more towards the end of the week.
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Todd McShay
I don't want to say I liked him more, quite honestly. Quite honestly. It's kind of what you expected, but you were hoping for better. He's just not there yet. As a passer, everything's a fastball. I think he was like seven or eight in a row. He missed on, on the second day of practice, I want to say, then missing by sizable, like, margins and not, you know, and just you're watching all these other quarterbacks and he's making the easy throws look hard. Okay. He's just not naturally accurate at this point. He's not. He doesn't have that touch. The weird part, man, and I know not everyone's, but like when he goes like this when it's, when he's going to throw the vertical, he's got the best touch and trajectory and the smoothest, like, release and the way the ball drops in the bucket, it's beautiful. Okay. And then you get the mobility aspect of his game, which is sensational. But that gets. The interesting part of the Senior bowl, right, is like, okay, mobility. We're going to kind of put that aside for three days. We're going to bring every scout and GM and coach in the league and sit them down in the stands or up in the press box. And now we're just, we're just going to focus on you as a pocket passer, essentially, right? Decisions, timing, accuracy, all of it. And, and that's the weakness of his game, but it also was the weakness of Lamar's game. And Josh Allen was inaccurate and Jalen Hurts was in that. So the league has changed and for the better in that quarterbacks with mobility can buy themselves time early in their career to answer some of the questions they're not ready to answer, to not need to make some of the throws that eventually they'll have to make and that Lamar now makes and has been making for a few years and that Josh, in a couple years, with great accuracy, you know, started to make. And the same with Jalen Hurts to a certain degree. So I'm not, It's not like, oh, you had a terrible two days of Practice, I'm writing off Jalen Milro because the tape wasn't good and Senior bowl sucked.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right.
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Todd McShay
I'm not doing that. But I think what we got to all see live, like on the field or in the stands, is that it's going to be a real project. It's not just like, yeah, he's close and, oh, I saw some things that I didn't see on tape. That's. It's going to be a real project. And, yeah, he threw with a little bit better touch. I thought he kind of settled down the third day of practice and he did get better. And I think he's going to play well in the game because now the, the biggest asset that he brings, the cornerback will be back in play in the game. So I think he'll have a really good Saturday in front of a home crowd there in Mobile, Alabama and all of those things. But I think it kind of cemented the fact that, yeah, the project is a big one. We saw it on tape and it absolutely.
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Ryan Rosillo
Is there no way he'll be a first rounder?
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Todd McShay
No, I mean, I'll be Tim Tebow. There was no way he was going to be a first rounder. He was so, like, it only takes one team. I know it's the cliche, but it's like when you live it and you get burned by it or shocked by it, however you want to phrase it, you know, several times in your career evaluating players, you. You come to understand that it's. It's absolutely true. And so if one team sees it and is like, we're going to bet on it, we're going to develop it, we got a veteran, we got a year or two, maybe it could happen. But I have not talked to anyone in the league and I don't see first round and I see a day two developmental project that you take a chance on.
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Ryan Rosillo
Is there any. And I know it, you know, leans into gossip a little bit, but as the draft order settled and it's all these people, like, different. Are there any theories, consensus things that you can share with us that it's like, you know, this is something that people think could be an option, whether it's the quarterback order or it's one of the quarterback needy teams going, we don't even like this group. Like, we're not going to move, maneuver around for it. You know, I think everybody kind of looks at like the Cleveland situation, and at this point, like, it'd be one thing if it was just Watson's contract, but now it's Health. But do they just go, you know, we don't care. We're theoretically taking a knee on this position and drafting Abdul Carter.
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Todd McShay
I think the question that a lot of people in the league outside of Tennessee and Cleveland are asking is, are, are they just going to take the best football player? Is it going to be a little bit more like 20, 22, was it with Pickett and in that group, Malik Willis? Or, or are we going to see, we're going to see a team just, hey, we need it. He's the best here. And listen, I don't want to say like it's not like Cam Ward, Shador Sanders, Jackson, like they all have starting potential. They're just not at the level of guys we've seen in kind of recent years and especially last year. Right. But to answer your question, there's a lot of questions around the league. You got Abdul Carter sitting there and I know they came out and made the, the quote of we're not going to pass on a generational talent. Well, like.
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Ryan Rosillo
And by the way, is this, this is at number one with Tennessee.
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Todd McShay
Yes. At number one down. Right, right. Just take the best player and generational talent. I think everyone initially was like, well, Travis Hunter is a generational talent. We've never seen someone who legitimately could play both sides. It will have to be limited at wide receiver comparatively, if you were just drafting him as a wide receiver. But he's got a chance to be a significant playmaker on both sides of the ball. That's generational. Even Dion, for all like the excitement, the punt returning, the offensive plays and like certain situation, I think he only had like 60 something catches. Like Champ Bailey didn't have Charles Woodson, like those guys only had had less, fewer than 10 catches their entire career. So that's a generational talent. But I also think it was, hey, come up and get it. Because we'd like to move back down and, and package picks because we got a lot of work to do. So there was some gainmanship there. So the questions are the almost the consensus question is, is Tennessee going to kind of do the right thing organizationally and take the best player? And you look at the organizations that have built, they build in the trenches and then they find their quarterback at the right spot and they go take them when they've built their roster or are they going to take the quarterback in Cam Ward at number one? I think there's a consensus around the league because of the urgency with the people making the decisions that if one of those top two quarterbacks is available at three New York Giants. They're taking. That's what I keep hearing. And I've. I feel good about that. I'm not going to say anything more, but I feel good about that based on some conversations. Okay. Yeah, I. I think that's. That's kind of. That's where everything's kind of leading right now with the top three picks. Cleveland, again, if you're staring at Travis Hunter versus Cam Ward, I think Cleveland's more likely to take a quarterback than maybe Tennessee is, because Tennessee's got a chance to either A, move out or B, take an elite player in Abdul Carter at the second most important position on the field.
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Ryan Rosillo
He's a stud. I mean, with one arm. He was still wreaking havoc in that Notre Dame game. I don't know what the film's going to look like there, because you can see how limited. Because there was one moment where he got turned in and you could see, like, it kind of reset him where it hurt again.
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Todd McShay
Yep, I saw that.
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Ryan Rosillo
And you're like, this dude, is that hurt? And the way they were trying to line him up, it was almost like, can you. Can you go out there and play with one arm? And he did. And I. If Tennessee took him one. If I'm a Titan stand, like, you know what? This is actually awesome because I, in theory, get somebody who can just wreak havoc off the edge here for a bunch of years. And I'm. I'm with you. Like, it's just changes everything that you can do defensively when you have this absolute mismatch on the defensive line. But it's not exciting. Right.
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Todd McShay
I get it.
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Ryan Rosillo
And as other teams have told me, and I remember just the simplicity of it, I was like, what do you do? What do you do? And they go, you just keep drafting them. You just keep drafting them over and over again because, like, what. What other option do you have? And if you have these higher picks, you just have to take those guys. And I was like, God, that's going to be so frustrating when you know that there's probably teams staring at Cam Ward or Shador going, you know what? We actually don't like our grade. You know, we don't like where we have him ranked in this class. Like, he might be the 28th best there in this entire draft, and we're just going to do this because we need it. But then it kind of gets back to your other point is that should you, when you're a bad football team, go, let's build out the Rest. So if we're taking what's kind of like a B graded quarterback this high, then we're putting him into a situation where we feel like it's even worse. And then here's the hardest part in our own resource that we've used.
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Todd McShay
Here's the hardest part, bud. And I think you can relate. I actually, I don't know in the NBA that you can relate to this because it's, it's a much more individualized. Right. I think one of the hardest parts in all of this is being honest with yourself. Okay. Like truly being. Because you're a general manager, you're an owner, because owners don't like, don't fool yourself. This decision is absolutely depending on the place. But, but there's an element of ownership, an ownership driven, especially when it comes to quarterback stuff. That's what I'm saying.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right.
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Todd McShay
So can. Do you have the people? Do you have the people? Do you have the power? Do you have the strength in your convictions? But most importantly, do you have the ability to be honest with yourself? Like if I'm running, if I'm Tennessee ownership, if I'm running the organization, do I have the right guy to develop him? Do I have the talent around him? Are we ready to do that? Can we do what Washington did this year? I know Cliff Kingsbury's, you know, there were question marks coming in. He didn't have great success in Arizona and the NFL first half of seasons and then people would figure them out second half. All those things. Is he does it marry with what we have? You know what I mean? Like that's a hard thing to do because everyone's got the answers. And I'd like to think if I, if I put together my staff and my personnel people and my coaching staff and, and had everything in place and believed in it, that I would believe that we could be.
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Ryan Rosillo
Do it.
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Todd McShay
Right?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. See like I, I love this by the way. I'm. I'm really enjoying kind of like the thought of this because if you're like, you probably bring in the GM like the first time, you're like, hey man, it's going to be your call. And you could even see like an owner deferring you in your first draft with your staff because he just wants to like set the tone, that it is going to be your call. But then you're eight and nine, you know, quarterback. And I'm not even talking specifically about Tennessee, I'm just saying like this, this team, right, whatever this make believe 8, 9 team is quarterback. Was terrible. The sales people are like, hey, we're actually starting to, like, not get as many renewals. Season ticket people are on your ass. And there's just all these different things where if you're the talent evaluator, you want, like, hey, you want to make the right choice or the wrong choice? It's like, we want you to make the right choice, but we want you also thinking about all these other dynamics of the business. And that's for, like, a couple bad years. You don't have the quarterback, then the owner's like, I know, I told you, it's your call and you're going to have autonomy and all this kind of stuff. But, like, we. We want a quarterback. We want a quarterback. Like, that's why I thought the Joe Shane access that we had in Hard Knocks with Giants ownership and them being like, hey, we really don't want to see Saquon in Philly. And Joe Shane's like, yeah, I get it. But the reason I liked what Joe did in the access that we had of that was like, sure, it'll be embarrassing. And by the way, Saquon was an absolute stud and might win a Super bowl and, you know, was unbelievable this year. Like, everything that you could have feared as a Giants member of ownership personnel, all that stuff. Like, oh, man, we look. But Joe Shane was right. He's like, why do we need him? What are we doing with him? Why are we spending all that money at that position? We're probably not even going to be any good anyway. We're giving, like, Daniel Jones a gap year on all this stuff. Our offensive, like, sure, fine, it'll all be embarrassing, but none of it actually fucking matters. None of it matters. And that's a really hard thing to be able to do. Even though it's supposed to be your job to tell the person that owns the team, hey, this is what we need to do. And that's why, like, at the top, you just see an owner being like, I don't care what your grade is. We need a quarterback.
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Todd McShay
And, yeah, and there's not a lot of people in the. In the league. Everyone's got the answers, right? In the league after, you know, every personnel person you talk to in the leagues of see the hard knocks and, you know, so it's like, everyone's always throwing darts and daggers at other people. But back to. To our, like, our discussion, though, here's the other human element of it. Like, all right, I got a GM job. I'm here. I've arrived. I don't know, the years on the contract. Five, six years, whatever it is.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, yeah, I mean, the first time guy, no way it's that long, right?
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Todd McShay
Well, Joe Douglas was six years, so I don't know. I got to look at it. But my point is like even bigger picture, not just Tennessee, but any team sitting there. There's. There's two things that are running through your head that's in addition to, in addition to your actual evaluation that can skew the evaluation. Right. The first thing is, all right, I'm the general manager. This is my first year as the gm, right? And the product on the field is going to be, what if we don't draft Cam Ward, Will Levis, a retread veteran? You know what I mean? So, so that, that factors in. And then the second part that factors in is like, all right, yeah, I could go draft a great player in Abdul Carter, but we're going to, we're going to suck again. What if I take a hack here and. And I. And it works out? What if we hit strike gold and we got a Jaden situation or even like the promise of a Michael Penix or Bo Nix, you know what I mean? What if we have that in year one and we can start then building and now I get four. It's like, it's like that pot of gold, right? It's like now I got four years on this, four more years after his rookie year. And now I feel good about him and there's momentum and I can. And I've got his rookie contract. He's worth nothing against my cap and I can plug free agents and go draft picks and all that stuff. And so it's like this enticing thing that can draw you away from what probably is the right decision, which is just draft the best player in the draft who also happens to be a pass rusher, you know?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I'm leaning that way because it's just been. It feels like the default of, well, they need a quarterback, they have to go ahead and take one. And maybe it'd be different if Carter wasn't so impressive to me all season long. Would you take Carter over Hunter in a vacuum?
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Todd McShay
Yeah. Yeah, for a couple. For Hunter's going to be a playmaking really, really good cornerback. I actually think he's a better wide receiver, but I think it's harder to find corners. And I think, I don't think if you're going to. If you're planning on. And you absolutely need to plan on him being different than anyone we've ever seen before. You've got to find a plan, but you've got to do it as your, your folks would say, with the load management. And that's going to be the trickiest part. It's going to be the trickiest part of this whole thing because everyone wants to see him play 140 snaps a game and both sides of the ball and all that stuff. Well, now he's tackling NFL running backs and NFL tight ends and NFL receivers and like, is he going to hold up with that frame? He's already nicked up his shoulder and been dinged up here. So, like, you got to figure out a way to keep him healthy. And I think that's going to be the tricky part. He's going to be a really, really good corner and a difference maker. And he's also going to offer you some. Something on the offensive side. You're hoping it's 20 or so snaps a game, maybe four or five targets or three or four touches a game. Right? I think that's probably the realistic view. But with Abdul, you know what you got, and you've got an absolute stud as a pass rusher and just like intangibles and everything that he brings and it's hard to. Not hard to find. It's not like this a unicorn, but when you can get one, you get one.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, I'm going to stay on Hunter here because, you know, anybody that grew up playing baseball, you'd be asking your dad, be like, hey, how come, you know, whatever. Like, everybody knew the best athlete on the team was the pitcher who then played shortstop. Right. And he was the best hitter. And then, you know, in high school, it's still the same. I don't know what the college numbers would have been, but at that point it starts becoming more and more specialized and you're just convinced. You're like, nobody can do it. Like, nobody can do it. Like, I, I think Madison Bumgarner is somebody who I used to love watching hit as a pitcher. He hit 100, 103. This is career batting average. And then Ohtani comes along and is MVP Cy Young caliber. And you think, okay, was this just everyone thinking the impossible was or there's something that wasn't that was actually possible? Because Otani proves it's possible that everybody just accepted that it was impossible. Is it something with American sports? Like, how is it that Ohtani was like, no, no, you're going to do both and you're going to be fine. And granted, he's not pitching now because he got hurt but he.
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Todd McShay
And how many years, how many years in is that?
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Ryan Rosillo
How many years in. I think he's six years into his career. Could be seven.
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Todd McShay
So in a physical, in a physical sport, I just think there's, I think there's a lesson there too. How long can you do it?
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Ryan Rosillo
Sure. But I know it's a different sport, right? So this was his seventh season. He did the thing we all had agreed on that can't be done. What is the argument? Is it just the snaps, the physicality of it? I mean, because like we know like there, there are corners that never tackle anyway. So is there, is it just a old school resistance to the idea that he can do what he just did in college or is there something more practical that I need to understand?
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Todd McShay
Talking to people? I don't get. I think a lot of that old school stuff has been pushed out. The more I see, like we sat down with, with Nick Casseria and really we're going to do a whole GM series. Right. Part of the McShay show mentioned. I sat down. We kind of started it out with Nick Casario and Eric dacosta with the, the Texans and the Ravens, respectively, their general managers. And just talking to those guys and obviously having conversations with a bunch of other guys, you know, not interviewing them. I don't like, we went through this like old school, right? And like, you know, the movies are made even about baseball scouting and football scouting and all the conversations we had this era of like these old crusty scouts and then we started to get a little progressive and then it went through this, I don't know, let's call it five, seven years of like the nerds versus the meatheads, you know, like the analytics versus the football. I studied football tape, right. And we went through that phase and I think we've actually, in the last couple years, man, like I'm here to announce, I truly think we've gotten to the sweet spot of personnel. I think, I think coaches and scouts are more understanding when Nick Saban talks about how he's completely like retrained his whole way of, of dealing with players and, and being understanding and worrying about this and that. And you talk to scouts and general managers and you talk about like the analytics and, and the miles per hour and the zebra technology and you talk about all the different things that are being implemented. And talking to Eric DeCosta and said he has 124 data points that he puts into a cocktail and it spits out and that doesn't decide where they're drafting him, but he was talking about how, you know, the grades matter, but then within that grade, that bucket of grade, like that helps to sort them out. So like, I think we've gotten to an era, an era in scouting and personnel where like people are open to everything and are, and are seeking more information but how to utilize it properly. So with that all as a backdrop, I haven't had one conversation where it's like, Dion couldn't do it, Champ couldn't do it. I haven't had any of those conversations. There's, there's trepidation, there's concern about just holding up physically. But everyone I've talked to has had a, like a progressive mentality about. It's going to be fascinating to see with all the technology we have now and the, you know, the bands they play and the heart monitors and all the technology from every single movement on the practice field that everyone makes and the way they monitor these players, figuring out that sweet spot for Hunter, a player like that, how many plays can we play him on offense, how many plays on defense, how many reps does he get in practice in order to keep him fresh? How do we do that instead of a 12, 13 game season for a 17 game season in the NFL? So like there are people who are fascinated and intrigued about Travis Hunter as this like new experiment and how could we do it? But with it comes concern that you don't do it the right way. And instead of just getting a great player on one side of the ball, you wind up messing the whole thing up.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, fair.
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Todd McShay
You know, good answer.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right, last couple minutes here before we finish up. If I'm a fan and my team needs this position, I should be thrilled. And then on the other side, the units that you feel like are weak.
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Todd McShay
Running back is loaded and so you don't need to get one early if you want to get Ashton Genti. He's, he's phenomenal from Boise State and I think he's, he's different, so it's, it's worth the pick. Somewhere in the top 20.
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Ryan Rosillo
Is it a Jameer Gibbs type? Different or even better?
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Todd McShay
I think could be. I don't want to say more complete, but like more of an every down like Gibbs ideally can get. Keep that rotation going to keep him healthy and all that. But we saw when he wasn't how dynamic and explosive he is. But yeah, I mean he's going to be a top tier running back in the NFL if things go well and there's just a little bit of protect or a Little bit of help in the offensive line. He's that type of player. Travion Henderson from Ohio State, man, talking to people in the league, he could easily be RB2 in this class. But the bigger point is the running back classes. I've never seen anything this deep at the running back class in 25 years. So there's. You can get really good guys later in the draft. Coming off the Senior Bowl, I think two positions really jumped out to me. And it's in addition to all the other guys. Right. But the tight ends were kind of a big hit. Let's just put it that way. The tight ends. Elijah Arroyo from, from Miami. My goodness, he looks the part. He's an F tight end. He's athletic, he can get down the field. He's smooth. You had Fannin from Bowling Green had an awesome, an awesome week there. Harold Fannin, highly productive.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like dude production that Penn State game.
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Todd McShay
Yes.
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Ryan Rosillo
When you do that tape. Because I, for whatever reason I watched that whole game. I think it was because it was early with Penn State's offense. I wanted to see what it looked like. He was, it was ridiculous. It was like, hey, we have one guy, right? Can you find a way to keep us in this game?
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Todd McShay
And I was doing it because I, I talked to a personnel director who was like every time like when you get a guy like that, a smaller school guy, not they've got to dominate the big games and all the great ones when you go back. And he went through a list of all these smaller school guys and, and like specifically the recall was awesome of like the. That game or two games against the big programs. And that's exactly what he pointed to was Penn State. But beyond that, like Terence Ferguson is so consistent. The Oregon tight end catches everything, just gets open, makes it look easy. And Mason Taylor. I talked to two different personnel guys.
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Ryan Rosillo
Who were like this is.
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Todd McShay
He's just absolute dude. And so all.
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Ryan Rosillo
He's a total stud. I mean I don't, I don't know why they got away. Maybe it's because all the receivers LSU had had over those years. But my God, like when he first came onto the scene, I'd be shocked if he's not like a really productive long term and that player.
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Todd McShay
That's what everyone, the league thing. Everyone's like kind scouts are like kind of glad that they, they didn't feature him that much because maybe we can get him in like early second, you know. But that's not even including my point on this too. Is.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
Warren is, is a, is Just phenomenal out of Penn State, right?
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Ryan Rosillo
Mechanicsville shout out. I mean we were, we were all over it all year on him. So this is the least surprising thing ever.
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Todd McShay
And then Col and then Colson Loveland. So like that this tight end group has turned out to be really good. Then the defensive line. Like it was dude after dude after dude at the Senior Bowl. And that doesn't even include talked about Abdul Carter, Mikel Williams, right? John Walker from, from Georgia. Like those guys weren't there. But I'm looking around and it's like Mike Green, Mike Green from Marshall was friggin dominant. I mean won almost every single rep against good offensive. He plowed. I don't know if you saw the clip against Conner Lee who's going to be a first round pick. The Oregon offensive tackle just ran over him and that was, that was the highlight. But there were so many other plays. Shamar Stewart is quickly becoming one of my favorite players in the draft. He was there for the first two days from Texas A and M. Long, physical, tough, powerful. Then you got all three Ole Miss guys starting with the defensive tackle, Walter Nolan, who's going to be a first round pick, right? So you got all of those guys and then other guys are stepping up like Ola dejo, right from UCLA, number 99, a Mike linebacker for three years. This year he breaks out as an edge, comes to the Senior Bowl. He's outstanding. Donovan as a Zaraku from BC had an awesome week. This guy, Darius Alexander from Toledo, 305, long body, beautiful defensive tackle, can play all over the defensive front. Fired up watching these guys. And that's not even including like all the SEC guys that were there and just doing what they do throughout the week like Dan Walker from Kentucky and Tim Smith. Alabama's a big, you know, powerful guy. Omar Norman lot, Savion Jones, Jared Ivy, like it was wild to watch. This might have been the one of the better defensive front groups I've ever.
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Ryan Rosillo
Seen at the Senior. Okay, my man, the McShay Show. Check it out on Ringer, Spotify.
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Todd McShay
Subscribe.
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Ryan Rosillo
They get some good video going. A lot of good recaps from all the Senior bowl stuff. So I'm glad it was a great trip. Thanks for the time.
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Todd McShay
I appreciate it, brother. Talk to you soon.
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Ryan Rosillo
You want details?
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Kyle
Bye.
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Todd McShay
I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.
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Ryan Rosillo
What's up?
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Todd McShay
I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly.
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Ryan Rosillo
Imagine and best of all kids, I am liquid.
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Kyle
So now you know what's possible the.
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Todd McShay
Tell you what's required.
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Ryan Rosillo
We've got Kyle, we've got Wargon Ceruti still in Mexico. I sent him a text, or he sent me a text this morning and asked me something and then I was like, wait, I had a work question. I go, are you still in Tulum? And he said yes. So you know what? Enjoy Tulum. No work questions for me. Our email address is lifeadvicerrmail.com Today's life advice is brought to you by Amazon Business. And before we begin, here's my first piece of advice. You absolutely need to try Amazon Business. Amazon Business offers smart business buying solutions so you can spend more time growing your business and less time doing the admin. I can see why they call it smart. Okay, let's jump in. We covered the spectrum on the last episode from children's books to breast augmentation. We've had a lot of feedback on this.
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Kyle
I had a good recommendation, so I'd be interested to see what you've uncovered.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, well, there was, there was one. Well, there was a lot of people that alerted me to something that I didn't know about certain children's books that they become like part of public domain. So you don't need the copyright part of it. Somebody was like, hey, you idiots, do better. I'm like, how are you this mad about not knowing a copyright rule with children's books? But, you know, people can get really upset sometimes.
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Kyle
It's weird like, like Mickey Mouse became that way and now people are making like horror, horror movies with the old timey Mickey Mouse and like Winnie the Pooh. It's like a hundred years old and you can just pervert it any way you want. Sounds like, yeah, you know, sometimes a hundred. And then somebody's going to do something weird with it. So I guess that applies to children's books too.
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Ryan Rosillo
We had a lot of people saying, you can read my children's books. I, I just don't know that it's that easy to go ahead and do that without something being signed. People pitching me their books that have nothing to do with children. Actually, one book pitch we are going to give because I've seen this one before. Michael Meyer wrote this Ben Franklin book called Ben Franklin's Last bet. He said 621 90. Marathon runner trading for Edinburgh, Scotland in May. Player comp, Malik Seely. That's why I read it. Shout out to Malik Seely. Ryan, you have my permission to read my book, Benjamin Franklin's last Harper Collins. Introduce kids to Franklin's love of Boston and Philly and hatred of lawyers taking over the federal government. His last will and testament is still paying young people to learn trades today. I hope the copyright. Oh, I hold the copyright. And can help choose a section that will put even toddlers wearing worsted hose and a tricorner to sleep. Yeah, that would be boring to a kid, but I'm excited about it. That's a great pitch, sir. So I've seen that book in stores. I think it did really well. So let's figure we'd give him this. I mean, look, once he said Malik Sealy, he was in, um, some guys sent us pictures of their wives do you guys are getting way too comfortable. But you know, there's just not a lot we can do with that where we don't have video yet. And we would never do that if we, if we ever get the pictures. All right, speaking of pictures, let's just perfectly segue into this. What is the correct way to respond to a nude? Here we go. 63188. Between a bachelor party and a full week of greedy eating after, it doesn't feel right. Down to 185. Super specific. Thanks. Gym stats 245 bench 345 squat God, I read that. Weird. Don't deadlift because frankly I hate it and I don't want to. NBA Comp Denelo Gallinari can beat you with a drive and pull up from mid range, but ultimately not as good as you think I would be. Context. I'm 30, she's 32. This is the first nude she had sent me in our pretty short relationship and she wasn't incredibly upset. I actually told her today I was going to write you guys in and ask for your opinion onto the story. After a particular bad day at work earlier this week, I was texting my girlfriend how frustrated I was and sent her the I'm dead inside Michael Scott gift right before heading into my first workout post. Bachelor trip. Trip was three days of clubs, tequila, 6am Bedtimes in a tropical local city. As you can imagine, after some how old was the guy again? 30. 30? Yeah.
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Kyle
30.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I mean, yeah. I mean at that point, 30. It's gonna hurt. As you can imagine, after suffering through a two day hangover workout and almost passing out in the sauna, I was running on fumes as I walked home. As I checked my phone, I see my girlfriend sent me a super sexy if she's listening nude photo while I was at the gym. The conversation is below her nude. I hope this makes you feel a Little less dead inside me. Haha. That does very much help. Thank you. Oh, there's a kissy face emoji in there.
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Kyle
Okay, that. That helps. Helps a lot, actually.
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Ryan Rosillo
I appreciate you wanting to help and successfully doing so. But enough about me. How are you? That was your response? What are you, the accountant?
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Todd McShay
Right.
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Kyle
Huh.
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Ryan Rosillo
I appreciate you wanting to help. Yeah. This is just very formal, man. I will add this relationship is very new. Three months with which might weigh in on your advice. A couple texts later, she mentioned my lack of enthusiasm and she publicly wasn't going to. Oh. And that she. Well, publicly would be a different. She said she probably wasn't going to do that again. I was pretty surprised at her reaction as I figured my responses were respectful and it showed appreciation. I thought back to two years ago and I was dating my buddy's girlfriend. Oh, buddy's girlfriend's friend. Jesus, that helps.
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Kyle
You don't deserve any nudes.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, there's. There's. I've had like three in here. I thought that Danilo sentence was weird. I was dating my buddy's girlfriend's friend and he mentioned her being weirded out after I replied to a nude she had sent me with, you guessed it, thank you. I texted him about it and he was flabbergasted that I respond thank you once again. Granted, I guess I should learn from my mistakes, but now I'm wondering what is the correct response to a new Was I not horny enough? Is this obvious? And am I just a moron? Would love to hear your thoughts on my response. How if you would have responded differently. Love the pod. Been listening since Southwest canceled everyone's flights back home in 20 and 22, and my boys and I listen to life advice for six straight hours in a rental car. I've attached the nude below in case that helps.
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Kyle
Damn it.
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Ryan Rosillo
He did not. He did not. Very funny way to end it. Sorry that I mangled your email a couple different times there, but we're getting fresh here. Fresh. Long day. All right, Kyle, why don't you take the lead on this? What do you think? The correct way to respond?
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Kyle
Well, there's two avenues. I'm not going to cover the second one if this is going to launch into a full. You know, you got 30 minutes to sext and we're going to close the door. That's a whole different thing. Not going to get into that. Then I think you maybe get a little more in depth with your answers. Maybe see the bubbles? The text bubbles. Going for a little longer before you respond. But I think if this is just like a. This is a fun point of my day. I think maybe to keep it light, it's like emojis and GIFs. I was thinking maybe the Chris Pratt emoji from Parks and Rec where he's like. Like that one.
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Ryan Rosillo
Oh, you know what I mean? You want to show your excited works.
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Kyle
Yeah. You want to show you're excited, but you don't want to, you know.
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Ryan Rosillo
What about Chris Pine?
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Kyle
Yeah, I mean, hotter, but I don't know. I don't know if, like, if he's doing anything with his face that would warrant replying to an impromptu nude, But I think. I think emojis maybe like a thank you smiley face, something like that. If you guys have been together longer than that, I would say like a maybe throw a love you in there. But he said it's new, so maybe that would be a weird time to say the first I love you. But, yeah, I like, like keeping it light, showing that you're happy. The very formal, like, thank you, ma'am, and a good day to you.
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Ceruti
You don't want to be given a handshake emoji.
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Kyle
Correct. Correct. I think hearts the heart eyes just showing her that she took a step. And you don't want that kind of spontaneity to be crushed, which it sounds like you may have just crushed it. She's like, well, I'm never doing that again. So I think you want to show that you're excited without, like, being a creep. But, yeah, I think emojis, like a thank you whatever would be good, but not. Not the Dwight Schrute it is your birthday period banner, right?
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Ceruti
Yeah. I mean, it sounded like she thought you were having, like, a bad day. Like, maybe tell her, like, hey, this, like, made my day. Like, you know, like, show like, some enthusiasm.
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Todd McShay
Can't wait to see.
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Ceruti
What I'm confused about is, like, did he tell her that he was sending this question into us after she sent him this?
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Todd McShay
Yes.
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Kyle
It sounds like they had a whole conversation about it.
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Ceruti
That doesn't seem like the right move to me.
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Kyle
I think it's possible you have no game. Could be. It could be totally possible.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, no game isn't accurate, you know? No game is accurate.
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Kyle
Yeah, no, no, you're right.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right. This is the second time that he's done the exact same thing. It's incredible that he's just trying to be really polite. He's trying to avo being creepy when he's kind of getting the green light to be creepy. Yeah.
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Kyle
If you overreact, be like, this guy's a loser. Let's act like you've been there before, right? So he's trying to keep a poker face, I guess, right?
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Ryan Rosillo
Like, are you into cannibalism? You know, like, follow up. It's like, whoa, dude, I just got out of the shower. Like, huh.
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Todd McShay
I just.
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Ryan Rosillo
I just think it's really funny that he's trying to be, like, super polite and not cross any kind of line, and now he's talked himself into just being, like, the HR of nude recipients. And so that's tough. I don't. Yeah. I mean, look, you've done it twice. Adjust and tell her that. I think that's what you need to do is that you need to tell her, like, I didn't know what I could do. I didn't know, like, how you wanted me to go with this. But I think you have to be in that moment, like, incredibly appreciative of the person that you're with opening up that door. Right? You. You have to show the appreciation. And again, it's a generational thing where, like, it just becomes standard operating procedure when you're south of a certain age. Although I still think one of my favorite ever pandemic tweets was when the guy was like, if you're asking for nudes during the pandemic, guys, seriously. And it was like, the ultimate pandering tweet. I don't even know who did it, but it was just like, of all the things that people were worried about, it was like, this guy's like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to. American needs this. Yeah, I'm going to hear this decency mean. It's probably not as bad as this one writer that tried to tell millions of Americans to just bail on Thanksgiving, but I. I don't know, man. Don't let there be a third time. Okay, explain. Text back.
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Kyle
8 out of 10, right?
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Ryan Rosillo
Wow. 8 out of 10.
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Kyle
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
That's the dumbest thing.
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Kyle
I know. I know.
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Ryan Rosillo
Oh, you were kidding. All right, very good. Very good joke. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Yeah, you just have to learn you've been invited to. Into a room, man, that you need to open the door to a little bit more. Yeah.
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Kyle
Peruse the GIFs in your. In your iPhone app and just see, like, just one that you'll have in your back pocket and be like, five.
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Ryan Rosillo
Perfect. Yeah.
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Ceruti
Maybe type in, like, I got a new photo. See what comes up.
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Kyle
Probably. Probably nothing.
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Ryan Rosillo
Do you send her the one that says, if you don't hawk tua. I don't talk to you.
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Todd McShay
Just.
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Kyle
Yeah, mess around with some prompts and see, see what you like. And then when this comes up, you'll know exactly what to do.
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Ryan Rosillo
Big cat turned 40 yesterday, so he sent me that one yesterday because I was like, now that you're 40, you can send old memes. Two week old memes. Incredible. And so he sent me that one. I was like, you're just, you're. That might be even too new because that's the first thing I think that's. It's not your eyesight, it's what should I send? And then what you think is sendable. Just the threshold is lowered quite a bit on all that kind of stuff. So I think that's probably the best advice have. Like, again, I kind of hate the word, but like angling toward mild horniness gift responses. Huh? Is that good? Yeah. Do we nail it?
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Ceruti
I think that's right.
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Kyle
Let's move on.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay. This one's so depressing. And it's a Friday. I'm not reading it. Dating advice. No, I don't think we're reading this one. All right, I gotta go. I gotta search for it. I know where it is. We'll find it. Joy joy ride with sister in law gone wrong. Love the pod 6'two hundred forty player comp. Big baby Davis Boardman gets paid mentality. And I am known to set some mean ass screens. Big baby had some footwork though too, man. Nasty footwork. I have a little bit of a dilemma on my hands. My fiance and I get invited to her brother's birthday party at their home over the weekend. Her brother and his fiance. So I don't know if he changed the names or not, guys, but let's call her brother Gerard. And the fiance will be Minnie. All right.
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Kyle
Interesting choice.
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Ryan Rosillo
Very nice. Yeah, yeah. So Gerard and Minnie, very nice. I've always gotten along. We had some drinks, celebrated her brother's 28th birthday. Everything was going well until I was outside alone ripping a heater. Marble or red shout out. Wow, Kyle, this guy does not so. This guy does not Fucking around. And when I was approached by my soon to be brother in law's wife, the conversation was pretty normal until she suddenly said she was bored and wanted to show me her new car and suggested we go take a look at the vehicle. I work at a dealership selling cars, so I thought she was wanting to show me some specs and get my opinion on her new vehicle. We have always been cordial and friendly with one Another and I've always thought she is a nice girl and nothing else. After showing me the car, she suggested we go for a joyride and I was pretty buzzed at the time and thought nothing of it. So we both got in her vehicle and took it for about a 20ish minute ride around the town. Nothing happened. We listened to some Jelly roll, her favorite artist. Where are you guys at with jelly roll?
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Kyle
No, okay, blind spot. I know, I know he's had quite a big couple of years here, but I got, I got a blind spot but again, I'm stuck in like 2012.
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Todd McShay
So I don't know.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right, no problem, no problem. Just, just asking. The crew told a few jokes, kept everything light hearted. When we got back to her house, we were greeted by my fiance and Gerard, both of whom had concerned looks on their faces. Gerard looked visibly upset but was trying to hide it by saying whoa guys, where did you go? In a somewhat joking tone. Before I could respond, my fiance also chimed in and said you guys were gone for a while. In a very serious and concerned voice. Minnie laughed it off and said she was just showing off her new ride and I responded by saying what a great car she has and commenting on how she got a great deal on it from that. This poor guy, he's just trying to have a Marlboro Red and now everything.
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Kyle
He does looks guilty.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, Seriously, I've never seen windows.
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Kyle
Go down that fast. That's incredible.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'm trying to think what cigarette could even smoking where he would have gotten the benefit of the doubt. Not that one. Probably not. Cools Parliament's out. From that point forward, the night was incredibly awkward. We all managed to keep tensions at bay. On the ride home, my fiance informed me that she was pretty upset by the entire thing with Minnie and asked me several questions about why I went on a ride with her. I laughed it off jokingly and told her I was being nice. Didn't want to make things awkward by saying no. My fiance proceeded to tell me how much of a whore Minnie is and that she has a history of being unfaithful to Gerard. Well, with a name like that, you know. She then asked me flat out if we did anything. I was disgusted by the suggestion and told her it's a ridiculous accusation, she had nothing to worry about. Since that night, things have been pretty awkward around my fiance and she keeps side eyeing my phone when I'm on it. Well, you probably wouldn't be texting her immediately afterwards if you had done anything. Did I mess up by Accepting this joyride. Any tips on how to manage the situation going forward would be greatly appreciated. You're just going to have to go full siege mentality here. You have to go on the offensive. You have to go, hey, we got to get this right. We get to get it over with right now. What's on your mind? Like, lay it all out and then this is the last time we're going to talk about it. Because if you're going to hold me, because if somebody else's track record, when I'm assuming, giving you the benefit of the doubt as an emailer, a clean track record, nothing to ever suggest now you could just be dating somebody incredibly insecure. You know the answer to that already. And it doesn't mean it's the worst. It just means that things like this happen. There's just all this stuff. And it can be in your own girlfriend's past because anybody that knows has been out there and in the wild. There's just some people that are so defeated by previous experiences that literally you're starting at such a deficit that everything that you're doing is kind of being questioned. And it completely sucks. Now in this case, like, this is something. This isn't somebody you're just dating. This isn't a three month nude, right? This is your live in deal, right? The, the whole thing. So is this new behavior, you know, that's actually kind of better if it is, obviously it is better than if it's new behavior because then you can just go, what is going on with you? And just because of what her track record is and the stuff that's happened with your brother and all that, like, it has nothing to do with me. Has nothing. Do you think I would do that? Do you think I'm that stupid? And Ken, the problem is with women, really. I don't know men or women, because I doubt women would just be smart enough to never say it. But if you were a man, it'd be like, hey, if I'm going to do it, you think I would do that? And then it's like, well, now, now you just admitted that you're going to do it. Now you have a whole different argument, much more serious.
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Kyle
What's your plan, Todd?
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Ryan Rosillo
Right.
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Kyle
How are you going to pull it off?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Right. So who is. You just. You can't let it linger. You know, I, I know this sounds a little mean, but you almost have to make them feel guilty about ever thinking it and be so determined to go, like, I'm not giving because you didn't do anything. Right? You didn't do anything. We're giving you the benefit of doubt. Didn't do anything. And you have to be like, kind of forceful about it. And I know this sucks, the dynamic, but look, people get into arguments and all that kind of stuff. This is one of those deals. You're like, let's go, let's go say it all. And I'm just gonna let you know right now, like, my goal is probably gonna be making you feel bad that you even thought it, which is. I know it sounds shitty and mean, but it's probably the right way to go. End it. Nip this thing right now.
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Kyle
Yeah, I think the, the overt way is definitely the approach. Definitely bring it out. Be like, listen, I can tell. I could feel that something's off and I, you know, for multiple reasons. Let's, let's talk about it. You can even be like, you know, I'm a people pleaser.
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Ryan Rosillo
Sorry.
- [82:01]
Kyle
Like, I. These people are attached to your family and we're going to be, you know, this is a forever thing as far as I'm concerned. So, you know, I didn't, I didn't want weird feelings with, you know, somebody attached to your brother. So I just, I just tried to keep the peace and, and it seemed okay. So I think you could just, you can like, go that way. It's like, dude, I was, I was doing this because I want to feel like a part of this family and whatever. Like, I, obviously, I didn't know all this other stuff, and we could talk about whatever you want, but just, you know, maybe. Maybe there's a way to seem like you were a good guy. Maybe you were just like, listen, I didn't want her to go by herself. She was, she was buzzed. I was just making sure everything was okay. I think there's, there's a ways to show that you're a good guy in this situation as well as like, hey, say what you got to say, because we can't. I don't know if it's been a month has passed, if it's just been a couple weeks, but like, that's a, that's a gross feeling when they're just acting different and you're like, until this is solved, it's just going to be this, it's not going to, it's not going to fall away. So I think definitely you're, you're go on the offensive. Bring this up instead of, you know, how many passive aggressive things can be exchanged between you two before somebody starts yelling about It.
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
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Ceruti
Based on the information from the email. The emailer did nothing wrong and I think you just need to like, make that super clear that, you know, all you did was go for a drive. Like, that's all.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like, that's his business, it's his industry.
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Ceruti
Did the email being unfaithful, like, did he know that she was being unfaithful?
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't know.
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Ceruti
Girlfriend. Inform him that after.
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Ryan Rosillo
We don't. We don't have that.
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Ceruti
We don't know. So, like, I think you just gotta, you know, nothing happened. You gotta trust me on this one. Won't happen again. You know, we'll steer clear of her. But I didn't do anything wrong in the moment. All we did was go for a drive.
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Kyle
Just trying to keep this family close. You know what I mean?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Or a lead on a trade in. You know, I know your family, but I think that transmission was a little.
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Ceruti
Was hoping for a December to remember.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Something wonky in there.
- [83:57]
Kyle
Oh, Jesus.
- [83:58]
Ceruti
Maybe not that. Yeah.
- [83:59]
Kyle
Nice poll.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that's really good. Was that Lexus? Yeah. I had Alexis once traded in, left some stuff. Sales guy was like, hey, I think I left like a couple portable speakers named now and see it. It's like nothing against Lexus. It was. It was the one. One guy that I had. I think ultimately the goal should be in all this kind of stuff. And like this is. This drives me crazy. It's like the relationships are hard enough. Somebody else's history and the dynamic of their thing, whether it's your brother's insecurity or her track record and then your influence of all of that, that somehow I'm the bad guy out of all the characters. That's what you need to avoid. You need to figure out a way to avoid that. So speaking of getting business done, today's life advice was brought to you by Amazon Business, the ultimate time saving tool for business buyers. Visit business amaz.com to learn more. Thanks to Kyle. Thanks to Oregon. Back next week, make sure you check out our YouTube page and subscribe to that as well as three days next week. So normal schedule next week trade deadlines. So a lot going on. Ryan Rosilla Podcast ringer Spotify must be 21 and older, present in select states. For Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 + and present in D.C. gambling problem. Call 1-800- gambler or visit rg-help.com call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit MD gambling help.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gambling helpline ma.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-87-7-8, Hope NY or text Hope NY in New York.