Simons-Holiday Trade Thoughts and the Value of a Top-10 Pick. Plus, Kevin Boyle on the Draft.

Summary

The Ryen Russillo Podcast – June 24, 2025

Episode: Simons-Holiday Trade Thoughts and the Value of a Top-10 Pick. Plus, Kevin Boyle on the Draft

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1. Trade Analysis: Drew Holiday to Portland Trailblazers for Anthony Simons

The episode kicks off with a deep dive into a significant NBA offseason move: Drew Holiday of the Boston Celtics was traded to the Portland Trailblazers in exchange for Anthony Simons. Ryen Russillo breaks down the intricacies of the deal, highlighting the financial and strategic motivations behind it.

Russillo [09:00]: "Drew is going to pick that one up. So you're looking at paying him $37.2 million at 37 years old when he didn't look great this past year."

2. Financial Implications: Navigating the Second Apron

Russillo explains the Celtics' maneuver to lower their tax bill by trading Holiday's hefty contract for Simons' more manageable deal. This move places the Celtics over the second apron, introducing a slew of salary cap restrictions.

Russillo [12:30]: "This deal alone saves ownership $40 million of tax savings where the Celtics are now $18 million over the second apron."

He elaborates on the second apron rules, emphasizing the limitations it imposes on the Celtics' future transactions, including restricted trade flexibility and the inability to use trade exceptions.

3. Potential Future Moves: Porzingis and Roster Adjustments

The conversation shifts to fan speculation about possible future trades, notably concerning Kristaps Porzingis. Russillo contemplates whether the Celtics might leverage the Porzingis situation to further alleviate their salary cap constraints.

Russillo [16:45]: "There's a Pozingus trade out there... he's an expiring $30 million deal... It's about how much they can lower that $18 million number over the second apron."

4. Celtics' Roster and Future Strategies

Russillo assesses the broader implications for the Celtics' roster, including the potential adjustments around key players like Jaylen Brown and the challenges posed by the team's current financial state.

Russillo [21:10]: "What are the Celtics really capable of this off season? It's worth at least spending a couple minutes on that."

5. Top 10 Draft Picks Trends: Stability vs. Movement

Transitioning to draft analysis, Russillo reviews the stability of top 10 picks over recent years, noting a trend where a minority remain with their drafting teams.

Russillo [28:00]: "If we really go through 17, 21, 6 year average, three and a half picks of the top 10 picks stay with the team that brought them in last draft."

6. Interview with Kevin Boyle: Insights on His Elite Draft Class

A pivotal segment of the episode features an interview with Kevin Boyle, the acclaimed head coach at Spire Academy in Ohio. Formerly at Mount Vernon, Boyle has a storied history of coaching top-tier high school talent.

Key Discussion Points:

• Elite Talent Development: Boyle discusses his current draft class, which boasts four first-rounders, including Cooper Flag, Liam, Asa, and Derek Queen.

  Boyle [20:28]: "Liam, I think worked like hell to, to first to be a guy that I think some people question, is he a second round pick?"

• Coaching Philosophy: Emphasizing transparency, Boyle advises his players on adapting to NBA roles, whether as primary scorers or impactful role players.

  Boyle [21:56]: "We try to be very honest to them and also to tell them how many guys that are ranked really high are not playing."

• Training Regimen: Highlighting the rigorous practice routines, Boyle ensures his athletes are well-prepared for the demands of collegiate and professional basketball.

  Boyle [23:24]: "Our thing is we don't want them to go to a college and then to say practice is harder in college."

• Player Development: Discussing individual players, Boyle provides insights into their strengths and potential NBA roles, forecasting bright futures for his protégés.

  Boyle [26:34]: "Cooper is, to me, he's going to probably be a 19, 7 and 7, 22, 10 and 8, and kind of like Kate Cunningham, who we had all of a sudden, like, he's averaging 27, 11 and 9, you know, and just incredibly impactful."

7. Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The episode wraps up with Russillo summarizing the key takeaways from the trade analysis and the insights shared by Kevin Boyle. The overarching theme highlights the interplay between financial strategy and talent management within the NBA, underscored by the promising trajectory of emerging high school stars.

Russillo [82:29]: "Because when the pressure dials up, you have a teammate who can help."

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Notable Quotes:

• Russillo on the Trade's Financial Impact [12:35]: "This deal alone saves ownership $40 million of tax savings..."

• Boyle on Player Roles [21:56]: "Steph Curry's a role player. His role is to get 30."

• Russillo on Draft Pick Trends [28:00]: "Three and a half picks of the top 10 picks stay with the team that brought them in last draft."

• Boyle on Coaching Philosophy [21:56]: "We try to be very honest to them and also to tell them how many guys that are ranked really high are not playing."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of The Ryen Russillo Podcast offers a comprehensive analysis of recent NBA trades, the financial strategies of top teams like the Boston Celtics, and an exclusive look into the development of future NBA stars through the lens of Kevin Boyle’s coaching expertise. Whether you're a die-hard basketball fan or a casual listener, this episode provides valuable insights into the current landscape of professional basketball and the emerging talents poised to shape its future.

Transcript

[Ryan Rosillo]

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[Kyle]

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[Ryan Rosillo]

We'Re going to do a lot of draft stuff with Kevin Boyle. He's the head coach now at Spire Academy in Ohio. He was at Mountbird for a long time. He won eight national championships. Cooper Flag will be the fourth number one pick that he has coached in high school. His crew from the 2324 team went undefeated, won a national championship and I think it's going to have four first rounders on that team. So we're going to talk about, you know, his players, Cooper and his approach to basketball because he is a legendary name in his level and if you love basketball, probably need to know the name. We're also going to do life advice, which is pretty standard for all the pods and an intro on Drew Holiday. He's been traded to the Portland Trailblazers. What does that mean for the money? Because that's really what this deal is about. What does it mean for the Celtics? I'm going to revisit some of the top 10 picks in the draft and a draft rumor that I can't believe. 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Drew Holiday of the Boston Celtics traded the Portland Trailblazers for Hanford Simon. So let's break down this deal, what it means and a couple other offseason thoughts here. And I also wanted to Update the top 10 draft pick stuff that keeps happening. So Drew is a terrific teammate, really good player. Defense first can fit in a lot of different ways. Last year, depending on which metric you want to look at. Arguably like the least impactful season he's had since his rookie year. He had just signed a four year extension. Last year was the first year. That four year extension, the numbers on what he's going to get paid the next three, three seasons here, 32.4 million, 35 million. The last year is 37.2 million. That's a player option. I'm reporting now that he's going to pick that one up. So you're looking at paying him 37.2 million at 37 years old when he didn't look great this past year. And the Celtics, because they're desperate to try to lower the tax bill, get under the second apron, they move him out for Anthony Simons and they get a couple second rounders out of this one. And he is at an expiring contract, $27.6 million. So Simons is, you know, look, he's 26. He's a 38% shooter for his career from three. He's a 20 point per game guy on a team. That's probably bad because all the shots are his. He takes the most shots of anybody. I mean he's a really, really talented offensive player. I don't even know if this is about Simons and whether or not they could flip him because he's expiring deal. The Celtics could trade him again this off season. So there's some rumblings that as soon as this deal went down, at least last night it was like they may actually flip him again. Because the big number is that when you look at Drew's outgoing 32.4 million and Simon's coming in at 27.6 million. When you start doing all the tax math on this, this deal alone saves ownership $40 million of tax savings where the Celtics are now $18 million over the second apron. I want to go over some of the second apron stuff and just remind all of us what happens when you're a second apron team. You can't combine salaries for one player. So you can't trade a 10 million and a $10 million player for a $20 million player. You can't do the math where it's a percentage of incoming and outgoing money. It has to be dollar for dollar trades. You can't use the mid level. You can't sign a wave player whose salary is over the non pack, the non taxpayer mid level which is 14.1 million. Your first round pick is frozen seven years out. If you're over the second apron. If you're over the second Apron, three out of five years, your first round pick moves to the end of the first round. You can't use any trade exceptions, which again, I think like over 75% of trade exceptions are never even used. I think that's the number. I asked Bobby Marks. I was like, everybody loses their mind about trade exceptions all the time. I'm like, how many of these use? He sent me like 20 years of the data on it. So it's, it's something that every team and every fan base is like, oh, we have this massive trade exception. Well, in this case, don't worry about not using it because you can't. And you also can't send out cash in trades. So pretty much a hard cap. I mean not a hard cap, but as close as you can be to a hard cap without it being named one, I guess. So look, gut reaction to this. I was surprised Portland did this deal because of the numbers on what Drew is going to be. We can talk about all the things we really like about Drew Holiday, the basketball part of it, the fit with Portland, more defense with Kamara, who I loved and voted all defensive team this year. I thought he was special defensively. So if it's about Scoot having more defensive players around him, is that part of this? Is it because Jrue Holiday can impact a basketball game by not needing to shoot? That's definitely true. Is it just having like, hey, we need the right guy in here. Okay. But that's really expensive for like the right personality to have somebody owed over a hundred million dollars on all this stuff because you know, it might have just been moving up from Simon so that Sharp gets more shots, Denny Abdia gets more shots, that Scoot gets more shots. This feels like people that have Scoot stock, it's like, yep, yep, they're ready to get Simons away from him. Maybe it's just a really young group where Ayton's probably indifferent to competitiveness. You know, the rest of the guys are really young and they wanted somebody like Drew coming in. But still like you, you can't. He also Just had him in the Dame deal, then flipped him to Boston the first time around. So I, I thought this was a really aggressive, expensive move where it feels like, oh, veteran presence thing here. I mean, you may not like Simons. I think he's really talented, but he's probably a big stat guy on a bad team. But he can score. Like if he were on the Celtics and he's the sixth man or he's, he's coming off the bench like you would think with the second unit. If things are really focused on him getting his buckets, he's going to get him because he's really talented player. So what does this mean for Boston now? So I think there's still a Pozingus trade out there. I mean, he turns 30 in August. He's missed 65 games in the two years with the Celtics. The playoffs, he wasn't really a huge factor in their championship run. Some people try to say that he was. This year of the playoffs, it wasn't very good. I understand why Missoula wanted to see if he could like kickstart him and get something out of him, but this illness thing, this mystery illness was a problem. So the next deal for, for Poingis, if this were to happen, he's an expiring $30 million deal. Apparently there's a market out there for him. Despite everything that I just said, I don't know if that's an attachment. You know, I didn't think you'd be able to even get Simons back for Drew, considering the expiring contract versus the savings, not just for this year in the tax, but getting out of the 70/plus million on the last two years of that deal with Drew. But you know, porzingis, even at 30 million, other than the Nets, there's no team you could just dump his number in and give him an asset and have them take up some of their cap space because there's nobody in this free agent class that they want to sign. Like, 30 million is, is a number that's north of like, I think everybody that has cap space and some of those teams are like, probably feel like they're going to be competitive. So I don't know if other teams look at Porzingis and think that's adding somebody. Even if you loved his game, you'd have to look at the last two years and go like, what are we actually betting on here at 30 million? But apparently there is a market for him. So it'll really be about how much lower hour, how much they can lower that $18 million number over the second apron. So now you know whether it's Simon's being traded again and flipped to get that second apron lower, whether it's Pozingus taking care of that in one transaction. Again, that would be difficult with the outgoing money. Then you start wondering, like, what would the Celtics really be capable of this off season? I think it's worth at least spending a couple minutes on that. We know Jaylen Brown probably not as great as season, but made sense to do the extension at the time because nobody just goes, hey, we just don't want to pay you the five years. 285 million. So he's owed four years, 235. Now at this point, it's a massive number. Looking at the market for a team that felt like they missed out on Durant, would those teams then be motivated to try to trade for Jaylen Brown? And I think if you're a Celtics fan, you had to hope that Houston would maybe miss out on Durant, and then maybe they would think, like, we just need somebody who's established a better scoring option to close out games than what we have. It would also mean the Celtics would have to like Jalen Green, which I'm not sure that they do. And he's also sort of expensive. Not crazy expensive like Jaylen Brown, but you get the number. We've already been through all this stuff with jalen green, like 30 plus a year. Once Houston gets KD, then I think that takes away an option where there's maybe some attractive smaller pieces for a team like Boston that might be just doing a simple reset for 25, 26. You know, Miami wanting to be in on it. I don't know what you would possibly want if you were Boston for Miami. The Minnesota stuff doesn't make as much sense. Like you're going through the teams that have lost out. Is there something from San Antonio that actually would make sense if the Celtics decided, okay, here's the first piece. Persingus is the next one. And we actually want to mini tank for one year with Tatum out with the Achilles injury and then reset this thing for 26, 27. Because I've heard that argue is that that might actually be the move. This season's going to be a waste, even if you're a competitive four or five seed, because Jaylen Brown and Derrick White and you figure out the center position and there's a tweak here, tweak there, and we really like the depth around it. Like, the east is a mess. Let's Just kind of see what happens, remain competitive, and have kind of a fun season with no expectations whatsoever. All right? That's one part of it. The other one's like, what's the point of even doing that if you know you're not getting Tatum back? Take a reset year, not a full blown tank, because you're waiting on Tatum and then see if it works out. I think that's an awesome. Like, if I were in my twenties, I would probably go, that's the way to do it. That's awesome. Tank right now. Get rid of all these guys. Jaylen Brown for draft picks, assets expiring, reset this whole thing around. But then it's like, okay, but then what are you going to be in 26, 27? And then Tatum's a little bit older going, what the fuck happened to this team? Right? And ask Utah, ask Washington, ask New Orleans. I don't think Charlotte was really trying to tank, but ask those teams how they felt about their approach this past season. And then watching Dallas, San Antonio and Philadelphia end up with the top three picks, the reset rebuild, the. The speed with which so many people think that that's a real solution. That's actually so much riskier than I think people understand. Well, I think we all understand how risky it is, but in the moment, it's like, wow, man, I mean, I can't wait to get this pick. It's like, yeah, now you're picking sixth and you still stink. So is it really worth it to Boston to get really aggressive? And I think Brad Stevens is the kind of guy. It's like, maybe there's a Jalen Brown deal that's out there that makes sense, but I don't know that he would ever go into this portion of the NBA calendar thinking, I have to trade Jaylen Brown. And my guess would be that there's not going to be anything that's. Well, I. I can't say that I. I were surprised by this league all the time, but I. I don't feel like. I just don't know that Brad Stevens has ever tried to put himself in a position where he felt like he had to do something, because whenever you're doing that in a negotiation or any kind of transaction, it means you're usually going to lose. So a quick recap of the top 10 draft picks from the last few years, because I like looking at this all the time. As much as I love what's about to happen on Wednesday night and how excited we all get about the unknown and the drama surrounding pick three, down because that's, I think, what's going to be fun about this. Although it feels like more and more people think VJ Edgecomb just goes to Philly at three, you know, that's a wrap. But if you go back, and I'm going to go through the last few years because I could have gone even further to tweak the numbers even more in the favor of the argument just how often these top 10 picks are on another team really quickly. 2017 draft two of the 10 top 10 picks are still with a team and I don't want to do the technical team that drafted them. I think we're all adults here. We know, hey, this team had this guy as a rookie. Is he or is he not still on this team? It's actually three technically with Jakob Hurdle back with Toronto, so. But yeah, two of the top 10 picks have stayed with the team that drafted him the entire time. Three guys from that draft. Again, it's not like it's a long time ago, but things move fast in sports. Three are already out of the league 2017 two, two of the 10 top 10 picks with the team that took them. Three also out of the league 2018 two of the top 10 picks still with the team that brought them in. By the way, the 11th pick that year in the draft just won the MVP in the Finals. MVP 2019 four of the top 10 picks five years ago 2020 draft five of the top 10 picks. 2021 six of the top 10 picks. Kaminga staying strong, keeping that number north of 50%. And then 2022, the exercise is over. Dyson Daniels, Johnny Davis the only of the top 10 picks in 2022, only three years ago that are not with the team that brought them in. Davis's own issues. Dyson in the Dejounte Murray trade. So if we really go through 1721 six year average, three and a half picks of the top 10 picks stay with the team that brought them in last draft. Nugget when we had Vasini on, I had him guess I was like, who do you think I didn't like? Of all the first round guys that I spent time on and I think he got it on a second guess. He said, sn gay French kid plays in this German league and he's in the news and a bunch of us had heard this the last few days. Esseng's team in the German league is in their championship, their finals and he's coming to New York for the draft. He's leaving the team and when we Heard this. A bunch of us were like, no fucking way is this true? Like, there's no way. Cause somebody was like, hey, you don't like them? Well, you're really not going to like them once you hear this. And I asked somebody else and they're like, hey, I heard that. And then it kind of kept coming around. It's like, there's no way somebody's going to actually do this. Because if you're willing to quit on your team that's playing for a championship, to go to the draft, to be there in person. If I had SNK and another player tied and I had like the 12th pick, well, he just broke the tie. I wouldn't even want to draft you now. Could this all be an overreaction? Sure. I imagine somebody, I don't know that there's going to be a ton of SNK segments on television on some of the bigger networks out there. I guess I could see somebody zagging and trying to say that this is about his moment. He wants to be there. Every kid dreams of this. Walking across the stage, hugging the commissioner, putting on the weird hat that never fits, right? Let him have his moment. You know, it's bigger than. I don't know, imagine not caring. Now, maybe he has this terrible. I. I have. I know nothing about his situation. But the fact that you are signing up for a career in this competitive setting where basically your profession is being competitive, and then to say, yeah, I know, but, like, I'm out. And it's funny, too, because, like, I. Look, the tape is the tape. I've been wrong plenty of times. I don't like what I saw. There's some really funny advanced numbers that tell you he's good. I'm telling you, it's the free throw bullshit. He was, I think, fourth in minutes and sixth in shot attempts, and he took two more free throws per game than any other teammate. He was at like 5.6, so it makes his true shooting percentage look a lot better. And then another team heard me talk about him, and they were like, we actually really like him because you think defensively he can do some of these things. I was like, okay, fine. Like, again, all these people have watched him far longer than I have. But to me, this is. This would be a major red flag if it's. It's simple as. Yeah, I just wanted to go to the draft and I didn't care. Unless there's more to it where it's like, he never got along with the coach, didn't like his teammates. They didn't care any of this kind of stuff, but that's crazy to me. Like, imagine a guy. Well, imagine if the college basketball were the final four, but the final Four were Wednesday, and a guy who's projected to go, I guess, late lottery teens said, you know what, Houston, like, Kelvin, I love this team. I love this run we've been on. I know we've got a big one on Wednesday night, but I just want to hear my name called. It's so confusing because no one really knows who the guy is. I don't know how much it'll be talked about, but it was something that people were in disbelief about that work, you know, that this is their profession, the draft is their profession. And they're like, is a guy really going to fucking do this? And I guess he is, unless. Unless something changes. All right, let's talk to a guy who knows a lot about NBA draft picks and that's former Montbird coach, now at Spire Academy, Kevin Boyle. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. It's no secret that great teams need great teammates. And when it comes to insurance, State Farm is there to help you select the right coverage for your home car and more. Whether you need an in person or digital assist, they're ready when life hits you with a full court press. Get a game plan that helps fit your life and talk to State Farm today. State Farm with the assist. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability and eligibility vary by state. With draft week upon us, a bunch of guys spent some time playing basketball down in Mount Verde. And it sounds weird to even introduce him this way, but he's the head coach, Kevin Boyle, now Aspire Academy. And after eight national championships in not that many more years, is it still weird to you to hear yourself introduced from another place?

[Kevin Boyle]

Yeah, it is. I, you know, I don't like change. I was at St. Patrick's in New Jersey for 24 years where I had the pleasure of coaching like Kyrie Irving and Al Harrington and Samuel D' Alembert. And then the last 14 years I've been at Mount Verde Academy. So, you know, that was a great challenge to go to Mount Verde and try to help them get to the top of the high school basketball world. And now we're trying to do the same thing as Fire Academy.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So when you look at this class that is now getting ready for the draft. So it's Cooper, it's Liam, it's Asa, it's Derek Queen. You also had Robert, who's, you know, Baylor and then now BYU. I mean, this is an all time class 330 national championship championship. Is this when you got this group in and you got them in the different stages to know that four are going in the first round this week? Is this what you expected when you brought in this group?

[Kevin Boyle]

No, not at all. I mean, I thought without question Cooper Flat had that potential to be a high lottery pick. Liam, I think worked like hell to, to at first to be a guy that I think some people question, is he a second round pick? Could he be a first round player? You know, due to, due to, can he guard in that level, can he rebound at that level? And that's where he really developed. And then ASA was unheard of when he came in. We knew he had talent, was good, but nobody knew he was when he was a junior, you know, and Derrick Queen was a guy that. There was a guy that always thought could be a good pro, but nobody seemed to agree with me. And I just thought he was the joker of high school. He was this super smart, super skilled, knew how to play, just needed his motor to get better. And over time it started getting better and better. And now again, so that was the situation. So one guy you were sure on, I mean, who knows? Hopefully they all get in the lottery. They're all going to be close, but they'll all be first round picks without question. And we also have Ryan Nemour will be a second round pick, I think.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, no doubt projected to be a second rounder and just a really good combine week as well. So when you think about, you know, Cooper, he's going to be your fourth number one overall pick that you've coached at the high school level and you know, you're bringing in all these, these high profile guys. What is the message to, you know, somebody that's like, you may have to play a little bit differently, you're going to have to have times where you defer as opposed to being the number one option like you've been at other high school programs.

[Kevin Boyle]

Well, I think the message, first of all, it's transparency and to get them to understand we're not running plays in the NBA for the third, fourth, fifth, sixth option. Okay, you're the one guy or the two guy or you better learn how to fit in and figure it out. So you get drafted by the Cavs and that guy is Kyrie Irving and that guy's LeBron James, well, guess what? They're not going to you. So how do you get on the court? You guard, you know how to share, you can make open shots, you could play a impactful role in a different way and wait your turn to get an opportunity to store if you have that level of ability. But defense guarding Andrew Nemar, he gets you on the court. It gives you a chance. And, you know, now he's one of the elite guard defensively, he rebounds the ball and he's getting a $60 million deal from the Pacers and has started three years in a row as a second round pick. So we really try to explain how they can fit in at first. That doesn't mean you can't be a star and beat a role player. It's not a negative thing. Steph Curry's a role player. His role is to get 30. You know, Draymond Green's role was to distribute it, guard, be the physical guy in the team. So everybody has a different piece and having a championship team. So we try to be very honest to them and also to tell them how many guys that are ranked really high are not playing. Look at the NBA playoffs. T.J. mcConnell, Andrew Nemhardt, Halliburton Naismith. A lot of these guys were not ranked in the top 25, top 50 of high school basketball. And a lot of those guys are home and they're still playing. So we try to really get them to understand that where they're trying to go.

[Ryan Rosillo]

How tough are your practices?

[Kevin Boyle]

Well, we take a lot of pride in that. You know, our thing is we don't want them to go to a college and then to say practice is harder in college. And you know, we've gotten really good feedback from our guys with that. Maybe we're wrong in doing it, I don't know. But our thing is we try to make practice as hard and as detail as a game. And we just think, you know, to me, anything in life is detail and fundamental is repetition. And to get Cooper a lot better, lower with his handle, to get him better using his left hand, you know, Derrick Queen, we wouldn't let him handle the ball in open court for a year and a half until he started drilling more seriously and getting a little tighter with the ball and understanding. When Rob writes around you getting the ball up and that dribble and by Rob Wright and record and then we let him go rebound and go. And he eventually got good at it. But he understand, like, you know, can I play quarterback? The question is, I don't know, can you? If you're good enough to play quarterback, we'll let you play it. But you have to be skilled enough for a team, let you do that, not just because you want to do it, you know, so that's, you know, the practices were very hard, very competitive and I think that's a big piece of these guys is telling them that's how you get better challengers. Liam guarding Cooper every day, Cooper guarding William Cooper getting caught in the post with Deborah Queen. Those are real NBA high, college type situations.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You're considered the best high school coach doing it. I don't, I don't know if you, you like that kind of stuff, but that's how you're talked about. And when you consider all these national championships and the NBA resumes of these players, it does feel like there has to be a real buy in. I mean even if it gets a five star and ranked top 10 in his class, there has to be like a real commitment where it feels and you know, look, we can talk about the academic part of it, but this, this feels like you've put together this run, this basketball factory is, is that for everybody? Because I can imagine there's some times it's like, hey, this guy's really talented, but he's not a mountain, he's not a mountain bird guy.

[Kevin Boyle]

Well, again, it's the reality of it is 100%, you know, right now I've explained to the people at Spire, it's an incredible campus here. It's unbelievable. But it's the culture. The guys you're bringing in, like, they're like, why don't you, can you get that guy? Can you get this guy? But that guy and that guy will not work with the culture of what you're trying to develop and the relationships with the campus and its teachers and the dorm parents. And that's a big factor in having success. The greatest thing with that group of guys, first of all, you had six seniors. There's another guy, Curtis Gibbons, who's excellent at LSU last year, started 14 games. They'll be at Memphis this year. Rob Wright, who got 3 million at BYU with the four guys in the draft. And I went to those guys and said, listen, we should start six guys and rotate because it's going to be not good mentally. They won't shut down a sense of effort. The other guys, if it's A or B, who doesn't start. But I don't think it's the best thing for our chance to win and develop. And this was including Cooper. Cooper didn't start like five games this year because we rotated six guys and because that was the best thing. And all those guys, including Cooper, like coach, whatever we just want to win and get better and be good in pros and get to the end game and we want to win. And if you think that's the best world so those like he's Cooper flag because he could easily push back on that. He was like, coach, whatever you need, that's what you think is best. I'm all in. But that's. These guys are really unique guys, personality wise as well. They're all good.

[Ryan Rosillo]

If he had pushed, if Cooper had pushed back, would you have been like.

[Kevin Boyle]

Okay, that then I would have probably realantic, as tough as I want to be. And then I would have probably made some excuse.

[Ryan Rosillo]

What's your favorite thing about Cooper that those of us that don't know him don't know about?

[Kevin Boyle]

Well, my favorite thing with him is I think because he's not, you know, he's not. He's not overly talkative, you know, in the public. I think it can be misunderstood. I think he's very humble for his success level and very willing to get better. He's very coachable now. He, when he came, I thought he had, you know, his mom and you coach him with the main, main AAU team. He did a really good job because of his size. A lot of times he was like four or five with those guys. You know, just because he's from Maine. Maine. He's one of the bigger guys. Even when he's young, I think he really grew into a really, you know, perimeter player overall and more getting away from a four or five more to a two, three, four and especially a three, four. And I think we made great training, great support, great community, main, you know, and like I said, Andy and those guys. Matt, he did a, you know, his trainer did a great job with him. But I think what I love about him is you could be very honest with him about his weaknesses and he's very accepting of that. Like I could tell him, listen, right now we run a pin down for a shot. We're going to Liam McGilly. We're in a post up. We're going for Derrick Queen. We're in a ball screen to go to Rob Wright. And you're the best player in the world your age, okay. So you got to become first in two of those three if you're going to be an elite NBA scorer and he's mature enough to understand, first of all, I get why you do that, coach. And secondly, I understand as good as I am to be the elite top 10, top five NBA player, yes, I got to be better than those two. At least two of those three things, like those guys where I'm the first option in all those, you know, and he's growing and growing his game. He's. To me, he's going to probably be a 19, 7 and 7, 22, 10 and 8, and kind of like Kate Cunningham, who we had all of a sudden, like, he's averaging 27, 11 and 9, you know, and just incredibly impactful. But he's also very liked by his teammates. He knows how to interact and get along with people. And his teammates, they all like him and they all respect him because he works really hard.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Does Dallas even have to call? I mean, maybe they just have to, because they're supposed to call and background everybody that they're picking. I can't imagine that's necessarily like the most intense conversation because the decisions are even made.

[Kevin Boyle]

No. It's funny. We get calls all the time about background checks. We never got one from Dallas. I think it's pretty obvious.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah.

[Kevin Boyle]

And, you know, and people know he needs to be out there in the street. These guys are around. All the NBA scouts are a lot of things. And a lot of times when they go to these events, which you try to tell kids, they're not just watching you, they're watching you on the bench and they're watching your family who's with you. And if you're a superstar, you've got a little grace there. But if you're somebody else, you cannot be in the league because of that. You know, they want professional guys in the league now. Now, if you're an unbelievable talent, there's a little grace. There's no chance, but you're going to be putting 5,000 people in the arena for that, you know, So, I mean, again, he's just going to be terrific. I think. I think he's going to be a top five pro, you know, in five, seven years, he's going to be in that conversation. First team all Pro.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Is there anything that, you know, this. This feels like I'm either going to get a great answer or the answer is just painfully obvious and maybe you'll entertain me. But is there something about the number one picks that felt different now that you've had four of them?

[Kevin Boyle]

You know what? It's something you're really so happy for those guys and their families because, you know, they were really all good guys who worked really hard. And it's life changing, obviously, from a. From a personal standpoint, it's an accomplishment standpoint and obviously a financial standpoint. So, you know, you know, you're really happy for all of them. And then for me personally, obviously, it's very rewarding that, you know, you were able to help these guys exceed your expectations. These were all pros, wherever they were going to be. But we like to think that what we're doing in the detail and the practices help them exceed their expectations because none of our guys go to the league and don't play really well. They don't go to college. They're all ready immediately to compete and play. And that's, you know, first, you know, for them, what they've accomplished, but it's also for the talent in the building and the fact that we're going to coach them hard. And I think most guys want to get coached hard. As long as you're respectful. Like I tell guys, you can't tell me you want to be an NBA player. Don't work hard. You can't tell me you want to be an NBA player. Don't get the weight room. You can't tell, you know, in any area of development, you can't tell me you want it because they'll give me. The answer is yes, I have to work hard. Yes, I have to do the right thing in the weight room. Well, then I'm going to hold you accountable to it because otherwise I'm letting you down if I don't push you to that limit, to that level.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You mentioned Derek's game. It is the kind of game where it's like, if the NBA team lets him be him, then, then it has a chance, you know, and. And my fear is, man, I hope he doesn't get stuck. And then it's like, hey, we can't let you use your creativity and your scoring ability with your size because like, when it's good, it's really, really impressive. But you know, a lot of times, as we both know, you get drafted and it's like, okay, but you're gonna have to figure out a way to impact the game playing off the ball and. Or are you gonna stretch the floor? Are we gonna run post ups for you? Which nobody seems to want to do anymore. What's the best kind of like philosophical fit for him? We don't have to pick a team here. But for Derek to be the best version of himself, you know, I think.

[Kevin Boyle]

You know, I think what he'll be really good is when people, you know, trap or put small screens and he gets a short role and he's caught up in four on threes, and he's exceptional. He's a really good passer, a really good decision maker and he's not that fast. It almost helps him because he's, he has good pace and he's under control reading, you know, and figuring things out. I also think he's become a guy that's his shot's getting better and I think you see his foul shot was 80 plus percent last year. So I'm not saying he's a three point shooter, but I think he's at least more than keeping on is now screen and he's a 17 footer. You both want to go with Rondo on a wingstream. Well, I could pop out and knock this out, keep you honest and if you close out and your most fake guys in the NBA, he's crafty, he's going to get by those guys. And everybody's hugging and staying like T.J. mcConnell. It's like he's playing one on one going around and everybody's like glued to their man. It's like, wait, he's just playing one on one with this guy. Four other guys like hugging their man and he's dribbling under the rim outside. It's stuff that wouldn't happen in the college game, but I think a lot of times in a weird way it's easier to get to the rim score for some of these guys in the NBA where the college is so helping and so loading at the elbows and so loading on rotations because there's not as many shooters as there is in the NBA. The analytics aren't used quite as much where everybody's just hugging their man. So I think he said, you know, I think again, I'm not, he's not going to be as good as the Joker by any means, but he's going to be, which, I mean very complimentary, which means you're a really good player. He's, he's similar to the Joker, just not quite as big and not quite as good. But he's going to be really, really good. I think, I think he's going to be, you know, year, I think five years from now, you redraft his class, he's going to be in the top five of the draft.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay. ASA is probably somebody who fits in with more teams just because of the energy, the effort. You know, when I went back and looked at a lot of his stuff, Gonzaga comes out, puts up a huge number on him. And what kept me coming back was like, you know, Ace is playing like he doesn't know what the score is, which was probably one of my favorite moments. Of his entire season.

[Kevin Boyle]

Well, I love Asa, but he probably didn't know what the score was. No, I'm kidding. Asa's incredibly bright. He was. He was like the valedictorian of our school. Him and Leah mcneely were in the senior year. They were the two smartest kids in the school. So, you know, he's incredibly bright. I'm kidding. But he just has one. One way in life to play hard, to do the right thing every second, every day. Like, he tried to win every single sprint in practice, any drill. There was never anything less than a hunt. You never had to try to light a fire under him. The fire was always there. And again, be a great rim runner, Going to be a great screen up top for a dunk to pinch the corners in him. Help. And he's also a good. And I think he'll be a very good because I think he'll take a thousand shots a day because he has pride in this game. Screen drag, dragon drag and shoot or screen and POP3. That creates problems, especially for the joker and those type of guys. If he's in a 5 roll, like those guys who can't really get out and guard as well, he's going to give those guys a lot of problems because they're going to shoot. And then if they do come up on him, he's pretty quick. They'll go buy those guys easy, you know? So I think he's in it again. I think he's, again, going to be a really good career pro without question. He's going to have a lot of years as a starter, and I think he's an exceptional guy.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I like Liam probably more than the numbers would say because, like, I look at the shooting, I go, there's no way this is who he is as a shooter. It was pretty clear that Hurley trusted him in huge spots to probably play a little out of position because they didn't love their guards all the time. So even though he probably feels like, you know, again, you were talking about the projections, and maybe he wasn't even supposed to be here, but there was a moment with his size and his ball handling where you're thinking, okay, this. This could be really, really good. And now he's maybe late teens, early 20s, but I just have a hard time believing that the shooter, the shooting numbers that he put together this year or who he is as a shooter.

[Kevin Boyle]

Yeah, I think Liam's a good to very good shooter, without question. I think that's the biggest thing he needs to become a sniper. And I Think he's got one? Yeah, he works as hard as anybody and he's confident. No, you're not going to knock his confidence off. And he will end up being again, I think a terrific pro. I think what's the guy Braun, is it on Denver? You know, I think I, you know, he's from Kansas, a really good pro. I, I think he's Elise on that level. You know, the guy that's, you know, he's starting in the NBA and he's a really productive player. And I think again, I, I can't see him. He's got good size too. He's like six, eight strong. I remember him as a junior telling him, you know what, you got to guard better, you got to rebound your position. Nobody's got you in the first or second round right now. And I talk to NBA keeps and you know, his thing then was to almost fist fight. Gosh. For rebounds and guard fouling the hell out of guy's car. And I'm like, he was immediately brought in like. So he's like, I get it, coach, you know, and I'm like, you might not even start here. There's a junior. You don't turn this up. You know, and he just got it and figured it out. And again, I think he's, I was just so fortunate because those guys were so rare because they also worked incredibly hard and Derek Queen benefited from it because Derek, when he was first here, he was young and a little overweight and that group helped him rise up and learn to work harder. He still has a level of tunes that turn a nacho, but he also plays a little different, you know, kind of like, you know, kind of like the joker. If you went to, you know, Serbia today, you seen him in the park, you might say, I don't know if he could, I don't know if he can play. Arlene. No, he plays. We're not so sure watching him in his pickup game, you know, so Eric's. This Jeffrey is kind of a throwback, so I think he'll be fine. And again, Liam, I think he's going to be exceptional a little bit. I think he's going to be really good and he's going to be a guy that's. There's so many good. Like you get on a team with a good isolation player, like when they have to help. He's going to be a guy. I think especially if it's a spot ups, he's going to knock those down.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's.

[Kevin Boyle]

Can you get to the next level where we give you some handoffs in the shots where we give you pin downs and shots and you're running from side to side and then you become another level player. But he's going to minimally be an excellent knockdown open shooter playing with a good skilled, one on one isolation guy where you have to overhelp. Like last night in championship twice they kind of overhelped in that little run third quarter and you know, as GA kicked it out and they bang, bang. And OKC wasn't shooting well for most of the series, which helped in the attic. But when they're making shots, how do you guard him? Well, now you got help and then these guys are banging shots and that's where he's going to fill in his. I think his game is almost better for the NBA because his ability to shoot the ball and I think, you know, a little bit of inconsistency this year. I think it's more an apparition than a reality.

[Ryan Rosillo]

How has, you know, we spent a lot of time talking about the NAL because of how much I love college sports. How has it impacted the high school level?

[Kevin Boyle]

Well, I, I'll tell you what, it's, it's here and it's really coming because you know, everything trickles out from the NBA to college to high school and you know, it doesn't matter if anybody agrees with it, likes it or doesn't like it. It's the reality of college basketball today. It's the reality of most states in high school. Even in ir, the days of me getting Cooper Flag to turn down a million dollars to stay for zero are probably over because at that point not many guys were getting paid, maybe a few in overtime, a lead or something. But now a lot of kids are getting paid by different, you know, some shoe companies, some this, you know, agents, because they could deal with the kids now. So it's a different game. And that being said, you know, it's, it's here and it's going to be a part of it. So I think the teams that want to stay elite are going to have to figure that out in the high school space.

[Ryan Rosillo]

When it was talked about in college, and this is something I've talked about years, it's like, man, we get really concerned about younger people we'll never meet and yet it's this traditional and now feels outdated, like, oh, you're going to have problems in the locker room, you're going to have all these different dynamics, you're entering all this stuff. There's going to be a Level of entitlement. I mean, I'm sure there are examples of it, but is it, is it safe to say that it's still the same but different? Like you, you could have really had those problems before the money was as much of a factor as it is today. So I'm just kind of wondering like your thoughts on the criticisms of the evolution of the compensation here.

[Kevin Boyle]

Yeah, I don't think the compensation as much as the problem as the ability to transfer, you know, year, year in, year out. Now I think when the coach has them, there's an occasional guy that might be a disruptive guy or whatever and always say he's making more than so many assistants if it's a college. But the reality is I don't think that comes into play as much as people think. I think the bottom line is, you know, kids want to be coached. It's, it's setting the boundaries and kids want to get better and kids want to be in the league and it's, I think, you know, now money's part of it. And yes, we do have to deal with a little bit of who's getting most because they're going to talk. But that's also a grown ups conversation. You know, right now, you know, this guy's better than you or right now he's in a position where, you know, you came in six months ago and he came in after you and he was in a, you know, he was in a better negotiating position and the next time maybe you will be. And that's his, you know, real business world stuff that's, you know, people have to understand and deal with. So I don't think that's going to be as much of a factor as people think. I don't think it's affected college overly. I think it's more the transfer rule. People go to transfer every year is more that I almost like to see a two year contracts where guys have to like you buy out to get out now because it's just too easy to transfer. I think that's more the problem, more than, you know, you know, the trouble with college basketball today.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Why has it always been high school for you?

[Kevin Boyle]

You know, I don't think too far ahead. I, I love the age group. I love, you know, I love at first, I loved a lot the fact that you can make your own schedule. And I probably got a head job too early where then it was hard to go to, you know, being an ops guy for somebody, you know. And I got in Saint Pat's in New Jersey, Saint Patrick's. I was like 24 and that was my passion. And also let you say, if I want to go to my, my daughter's, you know, joining competition, I could throw the team out of the gym. Like I'm mad at him because she has a competition in an hour and tell them we're coming at 4:30 in the morning. I can't do that as an assistant at Kentucky or, you know, probably even the head guy there. So I think at one point I almost went to college years ago. My sons were both ready to play for me. I wanted to coach them in high school and have that experience. And I just, I've always been comfortable with the level. And then I also got to a point where, you know, from a. Never, never unbelievable but enough financially where it was like, do I go to like Danny Hurley is, you know, he's a friend of mine and obviously in competitor. When I was, when I was in New Jersey, it was me versus Hurley. So it was St. Anthony's and St. Benedict's and me. And the reality is, you know, I knew Danny was going to do an excellent job coaching Henson, but he had to go to Wagner first. You know, he wasn't going to get a job higher than Wagner because he's coming from high school and he had to go to Rhode Island. Then he was like, no, that really helped him. It helped him a little bit. It didn't. Wagner didn't help him at all. It's his. St. Benedict's team with a beat wagon, you know, so that was just. But it's just the way the system set up. It's like you need a college degree to get this job. You need that to go here. So that's, that's more the issue. It's like if you have, you know, a Power 4 type school, that's a different story, you know, but when you're at the mid to lower Division 1 schools, you better be sure that, you know, you have confidence in yourself, but you also don't. You can't think you can make chicken salad and chicken poop like you. You better have good resources, good staff, good financial support in school or no matter even if you're Rick Patino, you could be struggling at one of those places. I ought to change the numbers for him. If they were the old I owned in numbers, he might still be at Iowa. As good as he is, you know, they upped the bar because he was Rick Patino. But if he wasn't Rick Patino yet, he might have got stolen there. If he was a young 30, 35 year old guy without the reputation of Rick Patino in college basketball and without the backing of some financial people to give him money and give him support to outgrow, you know, to be more competitive than the rest of the league. So you're not going to win without really talented players and talented staff with you.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's an unbelievable resume. I wish you all the luck at Spire because I'm sure it was a big decision for you and enjoy draft night as a bunch of your guys get their names called.

[Kevin Boyle]

Well, I appreciate it, but I'll tell you this, you got to come down and see this place. It's one of the most amazing facilities. And the growth here, this program and the school, I'm telling you, within two or three years will be as bigger, bigger than IMG from every standpoint. And IMG I have great respect for they like the model of how to run a business in a school and the people here have great respect for them and you know, kind of watched a lot what they've done and how they grew that into a billion dollar business, you know, sale and you know, we have all the right people in place to make this, you know, you won't go around the world in five years and people who know whose fire is. So thank you for having me. Appreciate it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, well, it sounds like I think we all know in basketball they got the right guy. So like I said, thanks so much for the time, Kevin. Enjoy the week. All right, thanks. This episode is brought to you by Chime. The positive things we do today can totally change how things work out for us in the future. Like with your finances, just the smallest step forward can make a big difference. So here's how you can get started. Open a Chime checking account and you're one step closer to a better financial future with with no maintenance fees, fee, free overdraft up to $200 or getting paid up to two days early. With direct deposit, making progress has never been easier. And if you ever want access to your pay before payday, you can use my pay to get up to 500 of your pay before payday with no mandatory fees or interest. Make progress towards a better financial future with Chime. Open your account in two minutes at chime.comresillo that's chime.com Russello R u s s I l l o Chime feels like progress. Banking services and debit card provided by the Bancorp, N A or Stride Bank NA members FDIC Spot me eligibility requirements and overdraft limits apply. Fees apply at out of network ATMs. MyPay eligibility requirements apply. Credit limits range $20 to $500 $2 fee applies to get funds instantly. Chime Checking account required. Go to chime.com discovery disclosure for details.

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[Kevin Boyle]

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[Ryan Rosillo]

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[Wargon]

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[Ryan Rosillo]

What's that shirt from a paper convention.

[Wargon]

Talking to me?

[Ryan Rosillo]

No, me.

[Kyle]

My brother. My brother works here.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Oh, okay. Yeah, it looks a lot like a shirt that is in a gift bag. It's some like, residents in like, networking thing. No.

[Kyle]

Maybe I don't go to many residents and networking events. Maybe I gotta start. Today's the day.

[Wargon]

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[Ryan Rosillo]

Unfortunate for you. No idea what you're missing.

[Wargon]

I'll just say this. While you're searching for our first thing Verner showed up. It really wasn't hitting at the first one. It was warm. I just popped it out of the box. Thank you to that guy for the Amazon gift card. I put it in with ice and maybe that screwed it up a little bit. So I waited till one got cold, tried it. I'd certainly put it above Canada Dry, but I think Seagram's still the winner. So I just wanted to. You know, check that box. Thank you for sending that, but it's definitely not the best one.

[Ryan Rosillo]

This isn't about the ginger ale. This is about the TVs.

[Wargon]

God, you see right through me. Read me like a book.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Because every time you bring up getting free ginger ale, I immediately remember I've got to email the guy about the TVs.

[Wargon]

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[Ryan Rosillo]

No, you know, I'll do it.

[Wargon]

I know you will.

[Ryan Rosillo]

But then when I get done with a pot, I just get so amped to go.

[Wargon]

Got to get in the ocean. Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Do something physical. Yeah, it's like, it's a. That's a tough window to get to me because I'll have, like, a few things I have to do, but then I. I get done. It's like, you know, got to put yourself through something to then get through the rest of the day.

[Wargon]

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[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, I don't know, maybe. Anything else? Any other housekeeping things? Any other tension that we need to talk about?

[Wargon]

No, no, no.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I got something. No, no. We actually were going to have Ceruti on to talk soccer, but then we didn't. So I don't know. I don't think he cares. I don't. I mean, if you want to talk about a guy who just does not. He is just flatline all the time. He doesn't really get upset about that much stuff.

[Kyle]

What would he be upset about in this situation?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Your rise to power, Your approval rating being higher than his, perhaps?

[Kyle]

No, I don't think that's true.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You don't see all the emails. All right, let's see here. All right. We knew this was going to happen. People in Norfolk, Virginia, not thrilled. Some people were saying, how could you say because you went to Portsmouth, that you understand Norfolk. I. I stayed in Norfolk, too, when I wasn't able to stay in Portsmouth, which actually is a win, now that I think about it. I don't know if the chamber of commerce down there is going to make shirts that say better than Portsmouth. But we had a lot of military guys chime in here, and so I believe there's even some San Diego pushback. I'll tell you this. I don't know. Eight years ago, seven years ago, we had a crew that did Coronado, which is not where you would be living, I would imagine. But we did the Coronado Group. I don't know, seven, eight people. There was a birthday party for somebody else, and we had a blast in Coronado. And then even in some of those, like, military dive bars where, you know, like, no matter what you do again, we had girls with us. Everything was fine. It was very normal. But you could just see, like, man, young dudes must come in here and just get their asses handed to them, right? Be respectful, right By. By these guys that are in here that are training, and then they get to just hang out, whatever. So we actually did have a great time. But I would say, what is the gas lamp district? You know, you just get a little bit older. It's not great. But it is a funny story because I was with another dude. Well, I guess we could say the names Matt Bushman, who, you know, was married to Sarah Walsh, and they're great friends. And so it was Sarah. It was a couple other girls, you know, a few that had been on TV or were on still on tv, so not bad to look at, gang. And so there was like, a dude from some club that was. It was just a really aggressive thing. I think anybody that's, like, in the city, San Diego, to agree with me. And again, maybe this has no impact whatsoever. And the emailers, like, yeah, I'm not going to be doing any of that stuff, so why are you talking about it? But never afraid to share a story, even if no one wants it. A guy comes out in, like, a suit. He's a club promoter. We know the guy, right? And he sees the group of women, and Matt and I are, like, trailing behind, and he starts going like, oh, you have to come into my club. You have to. What's your ownership for some percentage? We're going to set it all up. We've got a. We're going to table, bottles, the whole thing. And they're all like, all right, great, you know, like, let's do this for an hour. So they escort them all, right in front of Matt and I, and then I'm like, I think I know what's about to happen. And they send them in and they're, like, dancing. They're setting up a table. And then Matt and I are, like, waiting. Okay? We're like, what's. What's going on here? And the guys are like, well, you have to pay. We're like, for everything. Like, what happened to the whole, we're gonna take care of all of them. Like, well, we didn't know that you were with them, but since you're here. Or whatever. And then I was like, well, I'm not like, we don't even want to do that. We don't want to bottle service all night. We don't want to do this. And they were like, well, no, they're already in there, dude. And you're just like, what is this, like, handing me a CD in SoHo?

[Wargon]

Yeah. Really, though, right?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Right? Just like, no, I don't want your cd.

[Wargon]

We have your women.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. So I was like, I don't think this is a kidnapping charge. But anyway, went in, was like, hey, they're not actually going to, like, let Matt and I in unless we pay for everything now. And they're like, all right, beat it. See, that's probably has nothing to do with you and your family. And I was.

[Wargon]

Yeah. I didn't see how. I didn't see the road we were going to take.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It was just a San Diego story. Cool. Yeah. Because when I think about San Diego, I think about that, and that's totally unfair because the surrounding areas are terrific and, you know, whatever. I really called myself out on that one. Okay. Do you want to go to Dirk's Bentley tonight, Kyle?

[Wargon]

No.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Wow.

[Wargon]

Wait, with you?

[Ryan Rosillo]

No, no, tomorrow night? Tomorrow night. Excuse me. I have the draft. I have night two of the draft.

[Wargon]

Yeah, sorry, night two.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I forgot. Yeah. Maybe they can break this up into 15 picks. We go four nights in a row. All right. Because somebody was offering up Dirk Smatley tickets. War gone. I know.

[Wargon]

Respectfully, no. But yes. Thank you.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay. All right. All right. I think that'll do it. Oh, maybe a Friday feedback here. 5, 10. He's been to 48 of the 50 states visited. My soul criterion for having visited a state is if I've run there. All right. This would be relevant. You guys know, off the top of the head, how many states you haven't been to?

[Wargon]

Forest Gump over here.

[Kyle]

I got a little map on the wall that we scratch off.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Do you?

[Kyle]

I can't tell from here.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. You're going to be such a fun dad, I hope. Yeah, I can see that. Like, guys break out the maps.

[Kyle]

Kicking that can down the road, though.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. Like. Okay. How many license plates? We're almost there.

[Wargon]

Is that a Delaware quarter? Give me that.

[Ryan Rosillo]

How many states have you not been to? Oregon?

[Kyle]

Oh, a bunch. A bunch? Like 18, maybe.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right.

[Wargon]

Yeah. I'm probably, like, halfway through.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah.

[Wargon]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

25.

[Wargon]

Yeah. Maybe less. I don't want to be too ambitious.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Do you think there's any. Do you want to do all 50 states or do you think I'm like, why?

[Wargon]

It's kind of why. For me, it's always like when we. I find out we're going somewhere weird. Not weird, but like, you know, like we went to Mississippi and I was like, huh. Probably wouldn't have done that otherwise. Pretty cool. Pretty cool. So, yeah, I get excited about that kind of stuff.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right, good to know. I'm under 10 remaining, so I probably will just go, you know, the Dakotas. That's going to be a weekend. Make it happen. Like, that's going to be a re.

[Wargon]

This is deadwood, dude.

[Ryan Rosillo]

That's not going to sort of happen. I did. I was 15 minutes from Nebraska when I went to Colorado to play Valley. Neil and I went, just. Just get it.

[Wargon]

Check it off over there.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. But I was like, I don't know. I don't know if that really counts. You know, I don't know if that counts. So then I felt like if you're not really doing it, if you're not at least going to get a sandwich and taken a town, then it's not really visiting. And then I had a flight to catch anyway, and who knows?

[Wargon]

It's probably policy.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I spent like four hours in Fort Morgan, though. I loved it. Went shopping, had Mexican, worked out at the gym for the day. So again, shout out to. I know they call it Fart Morgan. That seems a little mean.

[Wargon]

I love Fart Huber.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I know you do. That's why I said it. All right, Ryan, you continue to impress me with your instincts. Oh, this is a compliment. Which I guess should not be surprising considering your success from. For not being a runner. Your knowledge from the 40 to 5K is spot on. It makes me smile whenever the topic comes up. So keep going with your gun on that. I did run in high school, so I thought I had some frame of reference, but then I guess we had a bunch of slow people that wanted to start yelling at the pod. I also love that you immediately shot down Portsmouth. Norfolk. I actually lived there for three years. Very good call. At the same time, as a Floridian. A Floridian, I was both offended and amused of your evaluation of Georgia. That was. Look, a surrounding area Georgia. That's also another mistake that all of us probably make is we go to one part of, like a huge state and go, yep, nailed it. This place sucks. Can be really unfair to some nice towns. Hawaii is one of my remaining two states, but I would definitely say San Diego or Kings Bay due to its Jackson. What? San Diego or Kings Bay? Due to its proximity for the recent life advice. Okay, two weeks ago, I got to cross off Wyoming, Montana and North Dakota. So this guy's already halfway through the Dakotas while running in Jackson. Oh, okay, here we go. As the altitude was kicking in, the topographical ignorance of me. Remember, I'm a Floridian. I had this nondescript feeling of obligation to somehow defend your honor. If you have any ideas, let me know and the next time I'm there. And there will certainly be a next time, I'll comply. Thanks to everybody in Jackson or anyone that visits there. I was even invited to a charity golf tournament pretty shortly after my stay. I just felt like it was too hot for me to come back that soon, so that's probably a smart move. Yeah, I mean, it was really nice how many people felt bad for me because there are plenty that didn't. So it was a nice little balance, whatever's out there in the atmosphere. So, yeah, look, anybody that goes and visits, I would just say eat, go eat, and you'll be fine. Finally, to all the real runners out there who know a sub 8 minute mile is not boastworthy, make sure to make it down to a town in North Dakota before setting out to run. As Google informed me, gray wolves are making a comeback there, Kyle. Gray wolves?

[Wargon]

Where's that? In the hierarchy of wolves?

[Ryan Rosillo]

I imagine somebody could look that up pretty quickly.

[Wargon]

I figured you might know you're in that part of the world more often than either of us, right?

[Ryan Rosillo]

You're asking me if I'm in the gray wolf part of the world?

[Wargon]

I don't know. I feel like in that area, you're like more than Mike and I. I'll just look it up. You know what? Go ahead. Yeah, not even into this email anymore. I'll look it up.

[Ryan Rosillo]

We had a shorter pod today, so I knew we were going to scratch a bit. To all the fake runners, maybe don't. See if a pack of wolves nipping at your heels will inspire you to run a quick, quicker mile time. Just joking. Anyone who hits the pavement or trails has my respect shirt on or shirt off to reference. Another life advice. Yeah, thanks. That was. That was nice. And let us know. Let us know about that town. All right. All right, let's do this. One was kind of intense here. All right, am I obligated to pay this guy back? And let us know any of those wolves facts whenever you feel like they fit, Kyle.

[Wargon]

You got it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

What's up? My name's. Well, this guy's just letting us know do we use his name?

[Wargon]

I think at a certain point. Dude, if you're putting all this in there and you're not mentioning it, like what? How much is it our problem?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well, he says his name and where he's from and it's a roommate situation, so let's not do that. Let's call him Dave. Dave, you're a legend. What's up? My name's Dave. I'm from Maine. Newish listener, long time a rigor fan. Pick a basketball comp. Taller mugsy Bogues with less decent handles. So backstory. My roommate and I used to work together at a restaurant. When I broke up with my girlfriend at the time I moved in with him. We then added another roommate from my current job. He says where that job is too. So let's just. Let's just help this guy out and things are good for a while. After a few months, the first roommate who I used to work with, we'll call him John, started seeing a girl and eventually dated her. Around the time I was also seeing a girl and started dating her as well. These guys are on fire. A few months after they started dating, John gave his girlfriend a garage door opener for the house. She then proceeded to start coming and going as she pleases so often, to the point my other roommate and I would never know who was actually home. When the garage door opened. I sat him down to talk to him about this and told him I didn't like it. He told me he talked to her, but he, quote, wanted her to have the garage door opener to check on his dog. This really pissed me off after everything I had said. But at the time, I let it go and just moved on. Fast forward a few months later and she's staying the night there every night, cooking breakfast, not cleaning up, and is loud as fuck every morning, waking me up. And the other roommate, all caps. Not to mention when she cooks breakfast, she eats fish for breakfast. Fish all caps. Doom is not on Twitter. Like, what is actually wrong with you on top of all of this? The other day she was talking to my girlfriend and mentioned how John said it was okay for her to basically move in because he needs help with rent. This is what set me over the edge. This has been happening since February. It's now almost July. We're moving out in a week or so. I still owe him for about two months worth of utilities. So as far as I'm concerned, he will never see that money. He can go f himself. I moved out today, the 21st, a week early because I couldn't stand being in the same house with him and his moron of a girlfriend. I also own for a couch he gave me and feel kind of obligated to pay that. But not extremely obligated. I love that idea. I feel obligated, but not extremely obligated.

[Wargon]

I could be talked into it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. I mean, I'm just thinking of the things when I was younger, I'm like, I'm obligated, but not, like, married to the obligation of this. Icing on the cake is when I first moved in, he was complaining about the last roommate he had had and how he had done the same thing. I have no respect for this guy. Do you think. Do you guys think I'm obligated to pay him, or is this okay? Thanks. Love the show. All right. I think you actually have to pay him.

[Wargon]

Yeah. I guess the one thing I would say, you know, I'm. I'm a sucker for a deal. Are you're not getting a deposit back or you moved in when this guy was already the guy, right? I don't know. Did you pay any sort of deposit thing for this guy or not? If so, maybe you're like, all right, you know what? I'm not getting deposit. You do that on, you know, no deposits even. Yeah, you're right. Because if he was already there, probably didn't happen. I think. I think if you don't pay, he's not gonna just see his problem. Like, he's not gonna see what he was doing to you and be like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. Even if. Even if he's not, you kind of want him to see the shitty life that he helped create for you while you were there. And he's never gonna do that. And not paying him is certainly not going to help with that. We had. I mean, especially. Cause you had another roommate, too. Like, you guys maybe should have. Should have ganged up on him and talked to him about this for us. Like, we had a dude who. His girlfriend was going in through our window. Like, we didn't even have extra keys. We weren't, like, thinking about making copies. She just would come. She would just come in through our window when no one was home. So some dude. The lengths that dudes would go to not see a problem with something like, this is large, but I think you should pay it. How old is he? Did it say at the top?

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'm going to say twenties, restaurants.

[Wargon]

That might change my answer a little bit. I don't know, dude. If we're talking low 20s.

[Ryan Rosillo]

That'S a 20something email. It has to be nobody's 38 going, dude.

[Wargon]

And then maybe you counter them with like 300. I don't know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

What you're doing here is you're doing some really convenient math to get yourself out of giving up money that you don't want to give up. And it really is unrelated. I mean, you agree to pay utilities and you have to pay the utilities. I mean, it sounds like you want to burn this guy for the couch too, but, you know, I mean, this isn't.

[Wargon]

Judy wouldn't stand for it. I'll tell you that. If we're going just by what's right and wrong here.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, Judy, I mean, this. I don't know. War, gun and shut.

[Kyle]

This is. This is more trouble than it's worth, I think. Like, yeah, it sounds like you just want this dude out of your life. Just give him the money and he'll never see him again. What do you guys think, though, about being like, well, girlfriend used a lot of the. A lot of the electric this month. Give him. Trying to, like, haggle him down a little less.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't remember.

[Wargon]

I don't remember using a hair dryer.

[Kyle]

Right.

[Wargon]

20 minutes, come on.

[Kyle]

Right now. It's probably more trouble than it's worth. That would annoy him. It sounds like this dude just, like, doesn't consider other people when he's making decisions. So he's like, yeah, I wanted my girlfriend here. She came more often and like, I don't see how that affects you. That sounds like that's his mindset, everybody.

[Ryan Rosillo]

There's always someone that has the upper hand. Relationship, work, friendships, roommates. He moved in first. He thinks of it as his place. Yeah. Even though other people are moving in and renting. It'd be great if there was some egalitarian approach. It's just not. He's thinking, he just has a little bit more of the juice. He thinks he can do whatever he wants. My guess is the garage door opener thing wasn't really about the dog. It was just easier for him to come and go. And if that annoys you, like, it sounds like you also just don't really like the girlfriend. Whether that's the fish breakfast or whatever, she's there all the time. And if it's a smaller apartment and there's bodies, just extra bodies, less volume, less, you know, area to move around. Just not the spacing that we have in today's game. I can understand all these things really being annoying to you, but. Yeah, I mean, you're just. What you'd be doing is. You'd be doing something fucked up. You'd be doing something absolutely wrong. Neutral parties would not agree with you. All right? We're neutral on this thing. For you to go, like, yeah, your girlfriend kind of sucked, and now I'm stiffing you on two months of utilities and I'm keeping this couch. I don't think you should do that. And I don't really think it's debatable.

[Wargon]

There's nothing like the hate that develops when your roommate brings in just an addition that starts kicking her feet up. She broke my vacuum in college. Just totally didn't admit it. She would start to come up with, like, new rules, like, or, like, suggestions for rules, sort of like.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And she'd put up, like, as a non constituent.

[Wargon]

Yeah, non constituent. And she'd come up with something on the level of, like, one cup, one bowl, one spoon, like that. You had, like, like, a fucking revolutionary thing. Like, she'd just, like, introduce it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

We were ahead of our time. We just talked about the one cup thing. Not that one. The one cup, one plate.

[Wargon]

Right. Good phrasing. I mean, she would be like, you know, what do you think about, like, 7 to 8? Like, maybe just quiet time in the house so, like, Eli and we can all study. And it was like, eli, get your girl, bro.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Get your fucking girl.

[Wargon]

And we were. And we had all, like, united, but there was nothing. My point, when I brought that up and kind of bungled the story earlier, was just like, no matter how much we tried, there was four of us, other guys. It never broke through the wall of this. The fifth guy's mind, that this was insane. And, you know, even when we saw we were coming back from Christmas break and she had stayed in our house that we didn't know, and we, like. We were pulling into the house and we see her on her bike and we're like, is she going to our house? And, like, we just watch her park her bike and open our window and go in through the side, and we're like, what is. We've lost control of the ship. By the way, Gray Wolves are the largest in America.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Thank you.

[Wargon]

You're welcome. I didn't know it was going to fit that.

[Kyle]

Dire Wolves are back now.

[Wargon]

Yeah, it's not on this Burke museum site, so we'll have to check back. I mean, are they even that big yet? They just were born, right?

[Kyle]

They're just babies.

[Wargon]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

Give them a couple years.

[Wargon]

At this moment. Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. No, let's keep track of that direwolf. Thing? Yeah. Just in case. All right. Shirtless, mowing, bad looker. No big deal. 6, 4, 2, 30 max. Bench 225. I work out at Planet Fitness, so it's mostly 75 dumbbells. It is capped at 75 pound dumbbells. I went to the Planet Fitness in Colorado, man. The guy was like, hey, are you familiar with everything that we have here? Says you're not here a lot. I was like, well, I don't live here and I forgot to cancel this and it's like 15 bucks a month, so why not do it? And then he's like, I'd love to like show you around the sauna. And I was like, I just, Can I just work out? Can I do that version? And the guy was like, yeah, okay, you just want to go work? I was like, I don't. Can I not talk to anybody or get a tour? And then there's only 75 pound dumbbells. But I do think the marketing, the approach here, so I'm not trying to like, cause any shit here because I know pmt, those guys are big Planet Fitness guys. I think the whole idea is that it's supposed to be the most welcoming gym experience because the gym can be very intimidating. So I think that capping it at 75 pounds, you know, I, I think there's some stuff at play here where the idea behind Planet Fitness is to be the most welcoming. But I, and I gotta tell you too, when you walk in the lobby and they're cranking the mark Arena, I was like, I haven't heard this song in fucking forever. And I was like, yeah, this is, this is welcoming. I mean, who doesn't, who doesn't when they hear hey Macarena? I mean, come on, at this point you can't even get mad at that song anymore.

[Kyle]

They still have the link alarm there.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't know.

[Wargon]

I would assume they walk that back.

[Kyle]

I would assume, I think, I mean, you're lifting something and you throw the weights down and it makes a loud noise. They used to set an alarm off.

[Wargon]

Like, yeah, there was a purple light.

[Kyle]

It's not okay here.

[Wargon]

Stupid. I imagine they probably changed leadership and were like, you know, what if I think, first order of business, let's walk that back. There's a whole type of dude that hates us. Maybe we just, maybe we don't do that.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well, if they only have 75s, can't.

[Kyle]

Make that much noise.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. All right. All right. Howdy, guys. Writing. Because I've started to wonder about the impression I'm giving my neighbors by mowing my lawn shirtless. Well, let me just stop you right there and say you've got my vote. Full background. My wife and I live just south of a relatively large southern city and recently bought our first home in a new developing neighborhood that's maybe one third finished. Not all the houses on our street are built yet, but the ones that are, that are, have families living in them and more moving every month. By the way, congrats on your first home. It's a big deal and, you know, good for you, man. We moved in during the spring when the weather was still nice, but now the summer heat is set in, I found that mowing every week is a lot easier. Done tarps off. It's a great way to catch some extra rays, work on the tan, get that vitamin D. Plus, once you locked into a farmer's tan, or worse, tank top lines, it's almost impossible to recover. My street is about half full at this point and continues to grow. And that's where my concern comes in. Am I giving off a bad impression by mowing shirtless? I use a riding lawnmower and the total area is about an acre. Takes a couple hours to knock everything out on a Saturday or a Sunday, so I really do benefit from the sun. No one's ever said anything. It's not like I feel embarrassed or out of shape. This isn't a body confidence issue. It's more of a how am I being perceived thing. I just turned 30. Maybe that's why I'm thinking about it more. Growing up, my granddad mowed shirtless into his 60s and no one thought twice.

[Wargon]

That's where it comes from, dude. That's who taught us those old era, those leathery old men who didn't give a shit. That's right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Kyle wants to be one of those guys more than anything in his life. I love it. I love that you know exactly who you want to be right now. But at that same time, I don't want to be known as the weirdo who's always shirtless on the mower. Especially in a new and growing neighborhood we plan to be in for the long haul. So this is something. Is this something I should actually be worried about or am I overthinking it? Yes. And most people have too many of their own problems to be judging the 30 year old shirtless mower in the neighborhood. In additional, if it matters, it's a normal middle class neighborhood. Pretty diverse group of residents, split between Latinos, African Americans, whites, nothing crazy this isn't some gated community where you have to be at a dress code to walk around, expect people to comment on your house if it hasn't been perfectly maintained. Most people are very friendly, and I doubt they would even say something if it did bother them. Well, yeah, man. This is more about you overthinking this than anything else. I can't. Of all the problems we've been presented, this is not a problem. I mean, I guess it's kind of cool that you're being considerate, but now I'm starting to wonder, do you overthink everything? I cannot tell you how many people. No one's even said anything to you. No one said anything. There's been zero confrontation. You haven't even gotten the annoying neighbor that wants to be involved with everything being upset. Shirts off. Where you live. Home ownership. You know how many people look forward to home ownership strictly as men, just to maintain the lawn, even though they're going to get sick of it after a little while. But those first tractor purchases, then you.

[Wargon]

Get to complain about it, too. That's there.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. So this, this could be your thing. And if you're happy and you're not hurting anybody, it sounds like 64230. Well dispersed mass.

[Wargon]

Oh, man. Yard work, I think, is like the UNO Draw four of shirts off situations. I think some people are entitled to their opinions when there's dudes out running, jogging, no matter what shape they're in, if they're just like, man, really? And I'm of the school thought like, hey, man, whatever. I don't care. But I think if you're doing work in your yard, it doesn't matter. I mean, you could be a fat slob. Shirts off. Everyone understands. I think the only thing that makes it cooler is if you have that, like, it's not a bucket hat, but it's sort of like an old guy, like, fisherman's hat with the no shirt look is probably the ultimate.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And you're still smoking.

[Wargon]

Yeah. I just think that everyone understands this. And if you're worried about, you know what, this neighborhood, whoever's buying homes now, probably still millennials are thinking about the shirts off guy. Be the change you want to be in the world. Power through that. Everyone will get used to it because everyone has to get used to it because this has to stay a part of our society. Old guy, shirtless, mowing lawn. Young guy, shirtless. I mean, get your kid out there shirtless. Just start them young. I don't know. I'm just saying, I think this specifically with yard work has to stay. This is correct.

[Kyle]

You're 100% overthinking this. Nobody cares what you look like on your yard. What did give me a little pause, though? A couple hours to mow? A little over an acre, dude, Maybe.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Maybe.

[Kyle]

You know, Mike, I lived down a little over. Over an acre growing up. Maybe there's a lot of trees, but I don't know. Gave me a little pause.

[Wargon]

Well, hold on. Were you. Were you hitting the weed whacker, or were you just going by the fence being like, all right, that's good enough.

[Kevin Boyle]

Well, are we.

[Kyle]

Are we talking just. This guy's. The ride on one. We don't know everything.

[Wargon]

He didn't say he's got. He might have. He might have an assist.

[Kyle]

No, he said he has a ride on.

[Ryan Rosillo]

He said, what kind of turn radius were we talking about? You growing up here, we had the.

[Kyle]

Zero turner, so maybe that cut down on some time.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Fancy kid over here. Yeah, Zero turn. My dad would hand me the push and be like, there's a zero turn.

[Wargon]

Sky's the limit, buddy.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't. I don't have enough frame. I haven't mowed lawn forever, so I don't know.

[Kyle]

How fast would you have to go to brag about it, though? Cutting along?

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't. This I'm staying out of.

[Wargon]

Do you ever get the itch to mow a lawn? I certainly do.

[Kyle]

Yeah. Every once in a while. The smell is just.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's been pretty crazy how long I've gone my entire life without having a yard. I don't think I've had a yard since my senior year in college. And that was not well maintained.

[Wargon]

Well, certainly not.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It was like a dog. We weren't running a dog fighting ring, but that's what it turned into. Like, we weren't betting dogs were getting hurt or anything, but just. Dudes would have a dog. Then another guy buys a dog, and then somebody comes over, he's like, I'll bring my dog. You're like, cool. We could have done something. I think we tried to do some downhill skiing on it. We did. We tried that one day because. Just a little study break. But, yeah, now that I've run through every place I've lived in West Hartford, it was all maintained, and I bought, like, an all weather couch, and I bought the fire pit from Restoration Hardware, and I. It was. I had one party ever. It was a good party. I never went out there ever.

[Wargon]

You weren't in charge of that maintenance, though, right? I mean, that was part of your dues, right?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Oh, yeah. Hoa. Charging it for it.

[Wargon]

It's kind of like a Kevin Wilds half baked. I'm just like, I wonder if there was a service that you'd be like, you know, 30 minutes. I'd just like to get out there one time, you know, just 30 minutes. I don't have to finish the job. I'll try my best to go diagonal today. I'm not going straight up and down. We'll go diagonal and, you know, if I finish it, I finish it. But obviously, like, that business model wouldn't work. But it'd be nice if you could just, you know, fire it up. Be like, dude, only. Only 1.7 miles away. See, I got nothing to do if it's this or frolic, I'll go. I'll go hit the lawn.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, it's healthier, right? You know, but yeah, I don't know now. I just realized for a guy who likes things, I don't. I don't have a lot of land.

[Wargon]

Right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You know, have to watch Far and away again. Maybe get motivated, Tom Cruise. Okay, that'll do it for the pod. Let's remind everybody about DLC televisions. And speaking of companies, today's life advice was presented by State Farm from fender vendors, storm damage, or even just a question about your policy. State Farm is there to listen to assistance and help you get the right coverage when it matters most. Through an agent online or on the app, you can feel confident making any of life's big plays. Because when the pressure dials up, you have a teammate who can help State Farm with the assist. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability and eligibility vary by state. Okay, thanks to Frius. Thanks to Wargon. Thanks to Kyle. Normal schedule this week. So we got the draft, the first round Wednesday night. We'll recap it all. I think we got Billis coming on Thursday as well. So another. Another big pog for you on this week. You know, people are like, hey, are you mad? Basketball's over. I'm like, dude, it just started. Ryan was still a podcast ring or Spotify.

[Kyle]

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[Ryan Rosillo]

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