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The Ryen Russillo Podcast
Stafford, Rodgers, and Cousins Futures and Pre–NFL Combine Buzz With Albert Breer. Plus, Whether Teams Fear OKC and More With Anthony Slater.
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Ryan Rosillo
This episode of the Ryan Rosilla podcast is brought to you by at&t. I want to talk about guarantees and the lack of when it comes to windows in the sports world. I love what the Cavs did this year. They know their windows right now and there's no guarantee that extends beyond this year. We think it could, but many teams have done so in the past. History tells us your window is shorter than you think. There are no guarantees. And then there's the AT&T guarantee. It means connectivity you can depend on, deals you want and service you deserve or AT&T will make it right. Visit att.com guarantee to learn more. AT&T connecting changes everything. Terms and conditions apply. Visit att.comguarantee for details. I know there's been some concerns, some news that we were going to become a Tide Jerome Only podcast. Spotify has not agree to that. So we will just do the Ryan Marsillo podcast and we'll do it the normal way until I can make that change. We'd like to make it more about Ty Jerome, but today we are going to talk NFL combine and Matthew Stafford with Albert Brear. So a lot of good stuff, some awesome nuggets from him as he's in Indianapolis. And how about the Golden State Warriors? The new look Warriors, Jimmy Butler. Everybody is happy with the new Jimmy Butler and he's happy there too. Anthony Slater, who's covered the warriors but also covers the NBA nationally from the Athletic, is going to jump on. We'll talk some Thunder, we'll talk some Minnesota playoff matchups, maybe a little MVP with SGA and Jokic. And we got it extended. Just dudes hanging out. Prologue to 45 minutes of life advice. Enjoy. He is a national NFL football writer. That means he's a big deal. Si.com it is Albert Brer who is in Indianapolis getting ready for another combine. His 20th, I believe that he said. So good to see you, man. What's up?
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Albert Breer
It's actually 18. I didn't go the first couple of years because I was still at the Metro West Daily News and it wasn't in our budget, but so this is 18 of them for me.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay. I thought it was your 20th draft.
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Albert Breer
My 20th, yeah. The 20th draft I've covered.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yep.
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Albert Breer
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right. All right. Well, you know, I knew I had one of the numbers. Let's start though, before we get to any of the draft stuff because I just love talking about it, the Stafford situation. There's, there's a timeline here that you lay out that makes it a lot more Interesting. That kind of goes back to, like, the first contractual band aid that even puts us in this situation, because part of me thought, like, does this just mean the Rams want to move on timeline wise, he's 37. If you get a first form, then you don't have to pay him. Like, okay, you know, maybe that's a nice little reset for a franchise that has done a really good job here in the Stafford years. Not only the Super Bowl, I think this past year was an incredible playoff run. There should be demand for him, but I think you do a better job and I want you to do it here of kind of explaining the reason we're here appears to be just a disconnect because I don't think Stafford actually wants to leave la.
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Albert Breer
No, I, he loves Southern California. I think the relationship with Sean is still on solid ground. This is about the contract and I think a dispute over his value. They negotiated for six months last year, and I think the thing. I did a good job of keeping a lid on it, but it was a tough negotiation that came down to the wire and is he going to report to camp or not really? If you look at structurally what they did, it's a $5 million raise for 2024. However, that money was borrowed from 25 and 26. So $4 million from 25, a million dollars from 26. And anytime a player does that, it's sort of with the understanding on both sides he's not going to play for the lower number, because if he plays for the lower number, that means he got no raise at all. So, like, I think everybody knew they were going to have to revisit it. And, you know, like, I. It doesn't seem logical that the Rams would move on from Stafford based on what he is, who he's been, his relationship with McVay has fit there, how much he loves it. There's. They were, I mean, in the red zone to beat the Eagles. Came as close to being the Eagles in the, in the playoffs and did it in a snowstorm as anybody. But, you know, like, I, I, there's that issue of, of the contract. And I mean, Ryan, the crazy thing is, like, this whole thing about him having permission to speak with other teams. He had that permission for almost three weeks now. And so the fact that, like, he's been able to go out and ascertain his value, and it sort of cemented his belief that he belongs, you know, in that group of nine quarterbacks that are making $50 million a year or more, and they still haven't been able to, you know, find a middle ground here, I think is at least a red flag and a sign that things could, that, that, that, that he could wind up being traded. So I think it's a critical week, critical few days that they're, that they're heading into here at the combine. The Rams people aren't here, but they're going to negotiate with Jimmy Sexton over the next few days. I, you know, I. It's a very unpredictable situation right now, again, because he does like it there, he does want to play there, but the timelines of the two sides don't really match up. You got to win now. Player with a team that's now looking at things and saying, we got a chance to be good for a few years and maybe we don't want to go year to year with our quarterback at that rate anymore.
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Ryan Rosillo
Whenever a team says go ahead and like, look for your value, you know, go somewhere else and look for it. I mean, it tells you when you.
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Albert Breer
Take a break with a girl, right? Like, it's like, what do you think's gonna happen? You know what I mean? Like, let's go see other people. Like, how do you think that's gonna turn out?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I mean that's, that's definitely. I think, I think it'd be a little bit easier. I don't know what would upset me more of like, who did you spend time with? Or wow, nobody actually does want to pay me what I think I'm worth. I think the second one would actually bother me more. So the teams. There are teams, though, that are, are willing to meet his price. Is that right?
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Albert Breer
Yeah, yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
So that, you know, and now what do you do?
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Albert Breer
You know what I mean? Like that, like, sort of like, okay, go like, let's see what you're worth. And then you come back and it's like, oh, you are worth like something in the neighborhood of what you were asking for. And I do think that that makes it a little bit more difficult. And you know, I. Again, like, it's like the timelines decides. Like, it's like, okay, well if we're going to pay you 50, are you willing to say you're going to play for the next two years or the next three years? So we're pouring that money into something that's going to be here for a few years. If a team is willing to go to 50, what are they willing to attach draft pick wise? Because a lot of times that can be a sliding scale too, you know, like, if you're willing to pay 50. Well, maybe you're less willing to give up the higher draft pick, comprehensive compensation. So there's like a lot of moving pieces here and it's complex and you know, I think really sort of boils down to again like Stafford getting what he thinks he's worth and I mean look like what he, the deal he signed, if we're just Talking about the APY, you know, the deal he signed three years ago is now 50% behind the market. Know he's at 40 and Dak is at 60. So you can certainly see why he would want a market correction.
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Ryan Rosillo
Who do you think's the most aggressive?
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Albert Breer
I, I like the Giants in this one. I think the Giants are closer than people think. And I say that as somebody who's got PTSD from like having. Having marked them as like my surprise team last year and you know, that didn't work out real well for me. But you know, like, I think if you look at it right, like on paper you say okay, Andrew Thomas coming back at left tackle will make the offensive line completely different. You've got real players in your defensive front. Dexter Lawrence, Brian Burns and Kayvon Thibodeau. You got a number one receiver in Malik Neighbors and maybe Cooper cup comes with Matthew Stafford. You know, Tracy looks like he's a good young back. And then you have the number three pick, which I don't know is that Travis Hunter, you know, like so you can sort of look at it and say, okay, like they could get to a competitive level fast. Day ball puts a lot on his, on his quarterback. Likes to put a lot on his quarterback mentally. Stafford clearly can handle that and there are jobs on the line, you know what I mean? Like, I mean this, it's go time for Joe Shane and Brian Dabel, you know. So I think the one, you know, the one if here is like the. Is if they're not willing to give up this year's first round pick, if it's next year's first round pick or if it's their two, which I think is 34th overall and something else or the Rams willing to do that. Like it's a little complicated, but I think they're the most likely one. And then another one that makes sense. We'll see how aggressive they are. Is the Steelers where. That's another one where you look at timelines and I'm, you know, saying how the Rams timeline may not quite marry up completely with Staffords. The Steelers have T.J. watt at going to be 31 years old. They got makeup, Fitzpatrick going to be 29 years old. They've got an offensive line that's coming together. They've got George Pickens, you know, nearing the end of his rookie contract. Like, the Steelers are also sort of in this window where it's like, if they're going to get over the top with, if they're going to get over the top with this core of players, like now sort of the time to do it.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. The pick price from at 37 years old, as much as I love them, you know, some of this stuff of like, who's out there, who's looking to make a course? Like, nobody's, I don't think anybody's trading you a first half of the first round pick. Right, right, right, right, right.
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Albert Breer
And I think that, that, that's the thing is, like, the teams that have been involved here, the Giants pick third, the Raiders pick sixth. You know, the Browns pick second. Like those, I, I don't think those picks are getting traded for Matthew Stafford.
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Ryan Rosillo
That doesn't mean. No, I mean, just based on this, the history of the NFL trade, you know, like, they're, they're incredible players. It's like, oh, here's a third. And granted, I know it's a little bit different with the quarterback, but at 37, knowing that as soon as you bring him in the building, it's north of 50 million y. Like, that's what you're saying to the Rams. You're going, okay, we, maybe we do a second or something like this. Yeah, but I interrupted you there a little bit. So I don't know if you had more.
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Albert Breer
No, no, no. I, I, I just think it's like, it's, you have to be a little creative with it. And I again, like, if, and, and this is like where ownership comes in too, right? Like with Brian Dabel and Joe Shane, like, ownership is going to be looking at it and saying, like, well, we can't allow something completely reckless because he's got. Because maybe my GM and maybe my head coach are looking to save their jobs. Right. So, like, that one I think is interesting. Again, like, I just think there's a reason for the Steelers and the Giants to work with urgency. The Browns make sense, too. I just don't know. With, like, that $92 million guarantee that's left for Deshaun Watson, I don't know how you meet Matthew Stafford's financial demands while still having, like, that anchor, you know, on your book.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I don't know. All right, so if there's a vacancy with the LA Rams, the quarterback position. Aaron Rodgers.
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Albert Breer
Yeah, I, and I, I, I think Aaron might be willing to go there for a little less. And so then if you're the Rams, the equation becomes, okay, so we have Matthew Stafford who's year to year, we're replacing him with another quarterback who's year to year and are we better off with Stafford at 50 or what if Rogers will come here for 20, if Rogers comes here for 20 now we got the extra $30 million to spend plus we get the assets that are coming back in a Stafford trade. And that's how you can start to wrap your head around the whole thing. You know what I mean? Now, it doesn't solve the question of who's going to be the quarterback beyond this year, but if Stafford isn't going to agree to do that for you, well, you're in that position either way, you know, so Rogers is an interesting answer. I think Sean McVay likes Jimmy Garoppolo more than people realize. And could he go in and win with Garoppolo as sort of, you know, I use this example with Sam Darnold and potentially going to the Raiders. Could he be like Alex Smith in Kansas City, you know what I mean? Like where Alex Smith was a really, really high end bridge with a great offensive coach that got them to the playoffs four times in five years and bought them time to find Patrick Mahomes. Like I think what some of these quarterbacks that we're talking about, like that's the upside with them. And you know, Sean's got like obviously supreme confidence in his ability to coach a quarterback up. And I do know that he, he thinks Jimmy's got something left in the tank and can be a starter in the league.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, what's up with Kirk Cousins?
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Albert Breer
Yeah, this is complicated. Of course by again the guaranteed money left is $27.5 million fully guaranteed. He's getting that money one way or the other. If he is on the roster through the beginning of the league year, $10 million for next year, for 20, 26 becomes fully guaranteed. So the Falcons are looking at this and saying, okay, so you have either were one year at a $90 million number minus the offset, which he would do. What Russell Wilson did is go get the minimum somewhere. So one year at $90 million or do we keep him as our backup and then we're talking about a two year, $100 million commitment and how does that affect your young quarterback? Ultimately, I think they're going to spend the next few weeks trying to find creative ways to trade them. In the end, I don't know that you can keep Kirk Cousins on your roster. And I think Kirk at some point will probably make his feelings known on that. And then I think Kirk becomes like a. If, if he is cut, he becomes the, he can become the solution to the desean Watson problem in Cleveland, because if you're getting him for the minimum, he's got the relationship with Kevin Stefanski from having, you know, worked together with him and Kevin having been his play caller with the Vikings, you know, like, that is a way to work around the desean Watson situation, where it's like, we've got all this money we still owe to Sean Watson, but Kirk Cousins comes in here on the minimum. We probably draft one somewhere in the first couple of rounds behind him. And now we feel a lot better about our quarterback situation. And maybe we can go to Miles Garrett with that and say, look like we've fixed this to the greatest degree we possibly can.
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Ryan Rosillo
Is anyone going to do like a Kirk Cousins deep dive on, on the contracts? Because, I mean, I know everybody makes the chase Daniel jokes, but Kirk, it's going to be because I'm glad you pointed that out because when it was first reported and you looked at the 4 year 180 with Kirk in Atlanta, you're like, okay, well, where's the guaranteed money? What is in the first couple years? And it's like, okay, this feels more like a two year, $100 million deal, which is in line with kind of the salary structure that we've talked about already and what Stafford was looking for. But the fact that the Pennix pick looks like it's going to work. Cousins looks so diminished physically at the end of it. Do you want to keep them around to say, hey, we got him for two for 100 million, when he's not going to be sweet about it, which is totally fine. Like, I understand.
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Albert Breer
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
And then that extra. So it's basically going to be 90 million for the one year. So it'll be 90 million for that one year. On top of like when Minnesota kept having to guarantee the future years. Remember, he was like the first guy because he was like the first real free agent.
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Albert Breer
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Because Washington decides we just don't want to pay you. And so he gets like a, a guarantee structure that is so different from the other quarterbacks because the other quarterbacks weren't necessarily like reaching true free agency.
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Albert Breer
Right.
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Ryan Rosillo
And then to deal with the cap stuff like this is like the third or fourth time with him where he's cleaning up you had to and you.
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Albert Breer
Had to, you have to give Kirk credit though. Like yeah, he had the, he had the balls to play on two consecutive franchise tags. And that's the difference is most guys will see the big second contract, even if it's a little below market value and say I got to take the bird in the hand. There are very few guys that'll actually play out franchise tags the way that he did. And that's how he got to free agency. And now you can't tag him, you know, anymore logistically because of the way that the rules set up. And so he just has to play his contracts out and then he makes it to the market, which starting quarterbacks never make it to the market. So like he, I, you know, I obviously I, you know, he did a, he did a good job of, you know, of taking a calculated gamble and has cashed in on it. And even like this situation, like I, I don't know, like the idea that like he could go now sort of pick his team, you know what I mean? If they cut him and say, okay, like that's sunk cost 1 year, 90 million, we need to, you know, be all the way behind Michael Penix, you know, then he's going to go to the market and like, like money's, he's got an edge on every other quarterback out there because money's no object because the Falcons are paying for it. You know what I mean? Like, so he would go out there and be able to pick whatever the best football situation is for him. It's a good example, I think for other players. How do you use your leverage? It's also like, I mean it's like not realistic for guys, some guys, other positions to do it that way, you know, I mean like give Saquon credit. Saquon, you know, played, played, played through a franchise tag and that's how he makes it to the market. You know, it's just, it's a tough thing. It's a tough thing to actually like look at the, look at life changing money on the table and pass it up and say I'll wait a year or two until they, they actually let me go to the market. And it's, it's paid off for him his entire career now with the cap.
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Ryan Rosillo
Going up and then that being reflected in how much of the cap is going to the quarterback. But you're right, the two tag years of washing, it's 150 million, basically. I mean it could be off a dollar a year with Minnesota over those years and I think Every dollar was guaranteed because of the three year structure and then the two year extension and then they had to stay on it and then it's going to be not. So he'll, he'll have made 90 million in one year with Atlanta when he made 150 with Minnesota.
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Albert Breer
Here's the crazy thing. So if you go back, so because.
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Ryan Rosillo
Those franchise, I'm looking at it again right now.
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Albert Breer
Those franchise, those franchise tags are fully guaranteed, right? So his first franchise tag was 2016. So for the last nine seasons, every dollar he's made has been fully guaranteed before the season.
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Ryan Rosillo
Good for him. Seriously, like I'm not, I, I still think more of these guys could have more of the contracts guaranteed. And I know they always argue, oh well, it's actually not guaranteed in the NBA. I'm like, okay, got it. Talk. Is there anything here on Pittsburgh? Do we need to do anything?
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Anthony Slater
Yeah.
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Albert Breer
So I think Pittsburgh, I think they, I think my guess is the Russell thing is over there.
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Ryan Rosillo
Was, he was, where's, where's he going?
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Albert Breer
And I don't know. I mean that's the thing is like I, I could see the Raiders signing Sam Darnold again. It's like sort of their Alex Smith in Kansas City. And I think he's a good fit for chips offense and everything else. You know, if that doesn't happen, could Russell wind up with Pete for a year or two? Maybe. I just don't think you're not going to bring Russell Wilson in and have him in a situation where he's a backup. You know what I mean? Like, so it has to be like a team that's willing to give him a starting job and I don't know that team's out there, you know. And I also, I mean things were not perfect between him and other people in the Steelers building over the course of the year and no way. But then you see it at the end. The crazy thing is though, Ryan, you see the Jerry Dulac story that came out during super bowl week. It was the stuff that Russell's camp was upset about. So that stuff was getting out there. I'm like, what are you doing? Everyone thinks, everyone thinks that you're this operator behind the scenes and now you're doing it again. Other teams are going to look at this and like say like, no, I'm not signing up for that. I don't want to be the next team that happens to. You know what I mean? So like, I think he's probably gone. And then I would say they want to keep working With Justin Fields. They really like Justin Fields. He is a really good fit for Mike Tomlin's program. I don't think they're going to be willing to just hand him the starting job and maybe he would have to come as a backup if they get a higher end guy. But, but I think Fields made a good enough impression there where I would say, I would term it as they want to keep working with him and, you know, I think they've got bigger swings, you know, like, do they take a swing at Rogers? They've already, you know, kind of kicked tires on Stafford. You know, I think they're going to going to look at the higher end options. But I certainly could see Fields being part of the equation in some form or fashion if he can't find a starting job somewhere else.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, let's talk draft. I like what you did. You had our guys, McShay and then Daniel, General Maya just kind of going back and forth and talking about this draft, talking about its strengths, the depth, the D line, the depth of D tackle, the tight end class that I absolutely love. But if we start at the top, and I know you're there this week and you'll probably feel better about the information two weeks from now, but is there a momentum thing? Is, is there something that's happening at the top where it feels like teams that you talk to, the consensus is going towards a certain direction, a player or some kind of trade. Yeah.
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Albert Breer
So I'd say a couple things. Like number one, the more people I talk to, the more. So I think Abdul Carter sort of like considered the, like the best prospect in the draft. And it's not that he's a better football player than Travis Hunter. It's just easier to translate him to the pros, you know, what he's going to be, you know, and part of that is, you know, as you and I talked about a little earlier, the MICA thing like that there's a blueprint for it. So I think like the momentum right now, I would say is Abdul Carter as a very real shot, may even be the leader in the clubhouse to go first overall after that. I. The one thing that's sort of kind of, I would say like this consensus is sort of, sort of started to form that like when you're talking about upside and DJ used the term chasing ceiling, if you're an AFC team, you have to chase ceiling if you're going, you know, if you're having to climb up that mountain that Joe Burrow and, and Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are on. Like, you need to find somebody who's got a high enough ceiling to get to those guys. And Cam Ward, I think, is the one quarterback in this year's class who has it. And so, like, I think that's what separates him from the group. The Shador thing is interesting. I. I think that there's a really strong consensus that Shador is kind of ordinary physically. He's smart, he's tough, he's rugged. You know, he's got a chance to play in the league for a long time, but the more people I talk to, the more I hear he's limited physically. He's not a great athlete. He doesn't have a great arm. And so I think that that's the. That's the battle that Shador is going to have to fight with teams over the next two months is showing him that he. That. That he's a little better physically than they think. And, you know, part of it, too. Like, you know, Ryan, I know how much college you watch. Like, he's running for his life a lot at Colorado. Right. Is he going to be able to get away from people the same way in the pros? I know a lot of people don't think he's going to be able to get away from people the same way he did in college.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I look at all his creativity and his bailing on the pocket and the fact that they couldn't run the football for two years as positives, because I felt like he, you know, like, I understand what you're saying, like, oh, you're not just going to be able to shuffle and avoid all this stuff and then reset yourself outside of the pocket the way he did. But, like, that showed me just incredible instincts where he knew that they had serious limitations. I mean, offensive line was obviously better in the second year than it was the first year. First year was a total disaster. They still couldn't run the football. So, you know, if I'm in the war room and I'm arguing the pros and cons, I'm like, you know, this guy, he had a lot of really good receivers and everything, and, you know, fine, but he. He just kind of. I mean, I hate to just use the cliche term of baller, but, like, he just. He's a baller, Figures it out.
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Albert Breer
Figures it out.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right? And it. It's very clear that Cam has surpassed him. I also think there's people that kind of long term, consistently had been like, hey, you know what? Teams do not think like, Sanders is Even a first rounder. Again, there's no, there's like almost no such thing as the second round quarterback.
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Albert Breer
No, no, I mean, it's actually true because it's like if you think a guy's going to be your long term starter, you're spending a first round pick on him.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right.
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Albert Breer
If he's not, you're probably not spending a 2 or even a 3 on him, you know?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. So I, I don't know that it's, it's me arguing for Sanders. It's just, I think that's a positive. If there's one thing, if somebody say, hey, what do you think it should, which you're asking me now, is that over the course of those two years that team was screwed on so many drop backs and he found a way to turn a lot of negatives into positives. And I think that means something. But it was also one of the things I liked the most about Caleb Williams in the second. You know, like, because it's his first se year, you're like, this guy's a baller. And then it's like it's dipping off a little bit. But maybe I'm making the same. If you don't think Caleb is going to be good, maybe you think both of those approaches are mistakes. But you know, I, I'd rather see you fight through adversity as a, as a top draft prospect as opposed to some of these dudes that drop back. They've got five all SEC offensive linemen. There's first rounders running around all over the place. Next thing you know, Mac Jones is going 15th.
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Albert Breer
Right, right, right. Which is like the whole, like, did you have, like how often, how often did you have to go to number three in your progression? Right. Like how often?
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Ryan Rosillo
Because one wins every time. So it doesn't matter.
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Albert Breer
And it's clean. Right, right. I mean, that was the Justin Fields thing. It's like, Justin Fields, it was like, like they, everybody, everybody felt like he's smart enough to do it. Right. He's a really smart kid. And like the testing showed like he's a fast processor, but he never really had to do it at Ohio State because he had Chris Olave and Jameson Williams and Jackson Smith and Jigba and Garrett Wilson. And so, I mean, it's, you know, Mac Jones, same thing. It's like, how often did you have to go deep into your reads? How often did you really have to move in the pocket?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Albert Breer
So like, I think she does like, you know, like, like you said, like sort of the Reverse of that where he had to be the best player on the field pretty consistently. You know, I think that's like Drake May last year, like Drake May for that North Carolina team. He'd tell you now, like his third year at North Carolina, redshirt sophomore. Like he learned a lot because he had to carry the team, you know, and that's experience, that's applicable to what you have to do sometimes in the NFL. So. So yeah, like, I think that definitely applies. I also would say this about the quarterbacks. Ryan I don't like. I think for some teams the gap between Cam and Shador might be similar to the gap between Shador and Jackson Dart. Like I think Jackson Dart might be a little closer for some teams to Shador than people realize.
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Ryan Rosillo
So that would make him a first rounder.
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Albert Breer
Jackson or those teams view Shador as a second rounder and Jackson's right there with him.
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Ryan Rosillo
So if I gave you the over.
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Albert Breer
But second rounders don't exist. So.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I mean look, a quarterback will go, but I just, I think with a team sitting there and they like a guy enough and even if they have him 50th. Yeah. In their player rankings in a second round graded quarterback and then it's a need. You know, we know what happens in this draft. It's. It's so much more of a need based draft than the NBA ever has been. And yeah, you know, I mean, I.
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Albert Breer
Think like, I think once you get past, once you get past Carter and Hunter, it almost immediately becomes a need based draft, which is really rare that it happened that high. You know what I mean?
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Ryan Rosillo
So that's kind of the message is that the messaging that you're getting, not just from McShay and DJ and your thing is that teams around the league are going, this is a starters draft, not a starter.
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Albert Breer
Yeah, yeah, it's like, so there might be teams that look at it and say we have a similar grade on Mason Graham, Will Campbell, Ashton Genty, you know, Jalen Walker. So like let's just take what we perceive as the most important position or our biggest need. Like I think like once you get past the two at the top. And dj, DJ thinks Genti is right there with those two, by the way, which I thought was interesting, is the first person I've heard say that.
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Ryan Rosillo
But with Hunter and Abdul, right?
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Ceruti
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Albert Breer
It's just he's a running back so like can like how high do you take him? You know? But I mean coming out of a year where Barkley, Jacobs and Henry sort of changed the dynamic of the position for three of the best teams in the league. Maybe you do look at Ashton Genti a little differently than you would have a year or two ago, you know, anyway. So I think like, that the consensus would be Carter and Hunter up here. And then after that you've got a clump of players and it's. And need could wind up dictating who goes 4, 5, 6, 7. Which again is like, I think an earlier point of the draft than it usually happens.
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Ryan Rosillo
That's really interesting because I actually hate that stuff. I hate when it's like, hey, look at who the final four teams were in the NFL playoffs. So let's draft a running back. Because these teams just, just did it. Maybe running backs are having a moment. You know, maybe this is the time in history where people go back towards it. Maybe it's a countering to some of the defensive stuff that we saw at the beginning of the year. Right. Like, maybe.
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Albert Breer
I mean, it is a, it is a really good draft class of the position, though, like, because you have Hampton, who I don't think is that far off from Genty, and then you have the two Ohio State guys, Judkins and Henderson. And I think Henderson. I think Henderson's really going to be helped. This is one thing that, like a bunch of teams have told me, like Jameer Gibbs, success in Detroit is really going to help Travion Henderson because that's going to be the vision for him. But Judkins is a good player. Caleb Johnson from Iowa. And then you have good backs after.
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Ryan Rosillo
That too, you know, what about Amari, too, right? Yeah.
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Albert Breer
Hampton. I'm saying Hampton's right out. Omari and Hampton right after Genti. And then probably after those two, you got the two Ohio State guys in Iowa.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'm sorry, I misunderstood. Maybe I, I'm, you know, I'm all for it because I. Maybe, maybe Bert the running back zoom call a couple years ago worked. Maybe it worked and people were quick to judge. Maybe the payoff has happened that didn't happen as quick as everybody needed to. But maybe we're there, we're good.
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Albert Breer
Maybe we're having, we're having a 30 on 30. 30 for 30 on the, on the running back Zoom call in 10 years.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'm telling you, man, we want the oral history on that thing. Jaylen Walker, I'd expect him to be somebody that teams fall in love with more and more. Yep. Like, I, I guess I'm surprised that it's Abdul. I, I mean, who didn't Watch Abdul this year going, that guy's a freak, even when he was hurt in the last game he played. And I just. I think maybe it's George's front where you lose track of which guy you're falling in love with. Yeah. You know, up to three guys this year, but I felt like he jumped out the most. To me, maybe teams see it differently.
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Albert Breer
And you have to, like. And, like, I think you just have to. With him, like, wrap your head around the frame. Like, he's not a traditional edge rusher. You know, like, where Mike Cal Williams, the other Georgia guy is like, looks like he came out of, like, a defensive end lab. You know what I mean?
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Ryan Rosillo
Like, sure.
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Albert Breer
Like, Jalen Walker's more like the Micah Parsons build, which I know. Like, again, like. And just to explain to people, like, I think Micah Parsons almost generated a new genre of player where you're seeing Abdul Carter was used that way at Penn State like Micah was. And then, you know, you're seeing it with guys at other schools. And Jalen Walker is a good example of somebody you can, you know, move on, have on the line, have off the line, and, like, where maybe the league didn't know what to do with a guy like that when. When Parsons came out because it was such a unique way to use a player. They can be that good in both. Both off the ball and on the end of the line. Now there's that blueprint out there. And so it's actually like, I think for. For. For Carter and Walker, it's now a positive. It's not like, okay, what are we going to do with this guy? It's actually seen as a plus for them.
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Ryan Rosillo
Enjoy the combine, man. And you can also enjoy yourself some more. Albert Breer. If you check out the MMQB podcast, they go through the quarterback carousel as well, and I'm sure you guys will be all over the latest front from Indianapolis. Thanks, man.
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Albert Breer
All right, thanks, Ryan.
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Ryan Rosillo
The new look Warriors. So let's do some Warriors. Let's do some big NBA stuff, too. So it won't all be on Golden State, but he originally covered the warriors and now covers the NBA as a national writer. For the Athletic, it's Anthony Slater. All right. This Butler stuff's been good, man. Whether it's a vibes check with this team. The on off stuff that I want you to get to with Butler. There's six on offense, there's six on defense. We get to some of the scheduling part of it, but there seems to be. Whatever it is with this Butler acquisition, There's just some juice to this team that seemed to not be there for months after the great start.
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Albert Breer
Yeah.
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Ceruti
And I would, you know, I'd credit Mike Dunleavy for seeing it was needed because honestly, like throughout the months long process, whatever you want to call the Jimmy Butler thing, there was a lot of skepticism. Locker room, coaching staff wise of like, ah, sure. You sure you want to do that? And I would say the warriors, you know, again, coaches and players have been kind of protective of this core and I think sometimes the outside perception is just the front office. You know, they did do the two timeline plan. They deserve some criticism for, for executing that poorly, you know, at least the lottery picks. But I think the last couple years they've been a little bit more itching to, to kind of try to, you know, get this, shake this thing up, even at last deadline. And I just think the way that, that the warriors were playing, the veterans at the time were like, ah, you know, don't do anything rash. And I think there was a little bit of that feeling, you know, don't do anything too crazy. And I think it just got to the point as the deadline came closer, it was like, even if a Jimmy Butler acquisition blows up, what are you blowing up? You're blowing up nothing that is going well. And so they, you know, especially for the price tag and you know, all they, they sacrifice Wiggins, which, you know, I mean, good player. But clearly if you're just trading out Butler for Wiggins, it's a huge upgrade that, you know, Mike Dunleavy knew that he played with Butler in Chicago. And then the 2025 protective. First, they just didn't really love this draft from, from like 11 on. So they're like, if we're giving up 11th or beyond in this draft, you know, how big of an asset is that really?
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, so was Dunleavy on an island here? I mean, granted, Lake up has to sign off on this because that's the way ownership works for any sports franchise and they have to sign off on doing an extension for somebody that I'd be scared of death, scared to death of giving the extension. But I mean, I guess you're arguing, hey, you're really only giving him one extra year based on the existing player option. But I was, I was reading your stuff and obviously asking around because Butler shoots down, the idea that he would even go there. The pursuit is basically directed towards getting the pieces together for Durant trade until the Durant thing falls through. That I want to spend a couple seconds on here. But Is it, is it Dunleavy by himself, convincing everyone around him?
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Ceruti
I think there's people within his front office that were, you know, kind of on his side on, on Butler. And again, we could talk like, you know, the numbers people, some of you know, I guess lower level, like assistant GMs and you know, I think Joe Lacob's grander vision was the swing bigger. And you mentioned the Durant. We can get into that. But like Joe certainly wasn't a no on Butler. It was like, you know, big game hunting. Now I think perception wise, Kevin Durant would have been the bigger splash. Like, oh, you know, I think this, like, oh my gosh, they got him back. They're about to shake up the league. But you know, like they were made aware later in the process than I thought they liked that Kevin wasn't interested. And then once, once Butler was there, I think he had a consensus front office wise. And then as we filtered down, I would say Steve was a little bit more separated from the process. I think purposefully, I think especially the way he like cares for the guys in his locker room. And you know, he almost was crying at the podium talking about Andrew Wiggins and what Andrew Wiggins meant, you know, personally and, and, and to the 2022 title. So I think he was kind of separated to like, I don't think he gave the green, give the green light. I think he was just letting it happen. And then I would almost say the same about Steph. He was, you know, he was involved in the process of Dunleavy was keeping him up to date. But I think Steph, purposely, just because of the teammate he wants to be, doesn't want to be the one, you know, pulling the ultimate trigger and pulling the levers. He doesn't want to be seen by that. It's almost like, you know, if you're innocent to, to what went down then, then nobody can blame you for, you know, pulling the trigger.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, let's talk basketball. The on off stuff, yeah, for Curry, I think is the really important number here. What has it meant for this team in the turnaround with these Butler non Curry minutes? And then ultimately like, it's just, I, I don't want to get carried away after a couple weeks. But it, you know, I like this team. I watch them a lot. They get off to that great star and it's like, man, they've got like two lines of basketball players and they're playing such hard defense. You're like, really? Is everybody going to just keep making this many shots and Then it's, then it just falls off a cliff. They've got some injury stuff as well. And then I felt like Curry, you know, was taken. Now, I've already said this too many times, but I haven't talked to you yet. I'm like, you guys are going to bitch about Curry's shooting numbers. Like, look at what he is doing, how he cycles through these possessions. And then it's like, hey, please take the shot again and again and again. Like, I just didn't feel like. I think there's numbers that are inefficient for certain players that don't reflect, don't reflect perfectly reflect their approach to the game. And you know, Steph is, he's one of those guys. And now it feels. I, I can't believe how good it's already been. So go any way you want to because I, I went in a million different directions on that.
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Ceruti
Yeah, look, he, as far as Steph struggles like he often has like a month dip at least and it was like at that normal time of the year, right. He kind of like, you know, you know, spent a lot of his energy early in the season, got to 12 and three. He was like adamant coming into the preseason. Like, hot start, hot start, right? Need the, the vibe's good and I think maybe pedal, you know, off a little bit and, and then they, they hit the dip and sometimes it's hard to regenerate that some, you know, late game, you know, I guess misfortune or just, you know, some of the droughts they had. The knee tendonitis that he was dealing with was a thing, you know, Draymond Green suddenly going through a calf thing. They're older in their career. The, the, the marathon wears on them more which, which is something they learned as far as, you know, what's changed? Look, Jimmy Butler, I think they're like first in the league and made free throws and it's a six game sample. But like they've find the last six game sample they were anywhere near the top like five in the league. And free throws, there were bottom four in attempts, you know, from the line since he got here. So clearly he's doing that better. He's a low turnover guy which like it's Steve Kerr's got like the heart eye emojis about like the way like Jimmy Butler had a quote the other day about how he just wants shots on goal and like Steve Kerr was talking about how great a quote that was and it's just, I mean it's what they wanted. Chris Paul to be right. I don't know if you remember when they brought him in. Like, that was, you know, Steve Kerr's idea that he could bring this. You know, he used to call Andre Iguodala chaperone on the court, and it was just the guy. I don't know. Did you watch any of the Iguidala jersey retirement the other day?
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Ryan Rosillo
I did not.
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Ceruti
Okay. He was just talking about. The genius of Iguodala in. In the Dynasty was the craziness of Stephen Clay in the shot selection. And just like the ferocity of Draymond. They always just needed an adult to come in at frantic times of the game where Steph was and Clay were getting too wild with the shots. Maybe Draymond's yelling at the refs and just. Just slow everything down and. And just control the game and. And like, I believe they think Butler is that kind of a supercharged version of that with. With more of a scoring mentality. So he just does a lot of stuff that they didn't do. They've called him each other, Stefan and Jimmy, opposites, opposite to tracked kind of thing. And then the other thing you mentioned it, like, I don't know that especially early in the process, they wanted to give him any type of extension, but I think the front office, it would seem now smartly just bought that final year, gave him that final season, really, for now, because he has come in with such a motivated, you know, happy to be here mindset. And if you didn't know anything about Jimmy Butler's past, you'd be like, man, this is one of, like, best teammates in the league and best leaders, you know, just as far as, like, if you just been around him the last two weeks, who knows how long that's going to last? But I think they bought that with the extension.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, right. And sometimes if you're just buying yourself the window, then you don't really care about the cost because, you know, to your point, what were you blowing up? I mean, there was no window. So now you can start thinking, like, all right, and this is what I want to ask you now. Although I was reading your piece and I was reading all the Butler quotes this morning, and I was just laughing. I was just sitting in my kitchen reading every quote, because every quote was perfect. And I'm not talking about, like, one or two. It was like five or six Butler quotes in a row. And you're like, he is absolutely nailing this. Which I think sometimes it's a little scary because you're like, you're so good at saying the right thing, but none of that matters, you know, 27 doesn't matter, 26 doesn't matter. The playoffs and 25 matter. How good are they?
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Ceruti
I think that they're. Damn, they're dangerous. I believe I've been saying it for about a week now. I think they're the favorites for the six seed. If you look at what's going on around them. The Clippers now with Norman Powells, you know, and. And Kawhi just missed some games. They're only one back of the Clippers. Their schedule, the Warrior schedule is really easy. Like, I'm looking at this road trip I'm about to cover coming up. First of all, they end the home stand tonight against the horn. Then it's at Orlando, at Charlotte, they have a Brooklyn game, they have a Sixers game on this road trip. They come back home. You know, I think there's some Portland games mixed in there. Like, there's just a lot of likely wins coming up, and that has nothing to do with their ceiling. But if you just really look at how the teams around them are playing and their schedule, to me, I think it's. It's. As long as they stay healthy, I think they're very likely to get into the playoff mix without having to get into the plan, which I think is huge for them to get that week off to prep for a series because they're going to have to win these series where they're going to be on the road and not favored by just like scheming up sharply and. And figuring out how a way to small ball these teams to death. Because right now Jimmy Butler's the tallest guy in the starting lineup, which he was laughing about the other day. Six foot seven. They're going to have some trouble, I think, scoring and particularly scoring at the rim against good defenses. I don't like them to like, go on some deep run into late May or June. But I do think if you're. If they get the six, you know, we can name the type of teams that might be sitting there at three. Like, sure, I'm giving them probably a 50, 50 shot against most of those teams.
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Ryan Rosillo
So if we ran through it, though, you know, they're the nine right now, but I mean, it's so bottled up between six and kind of 11. Really. That's only four games of separation between the Clippers and the Suns. Would you pick the warriors against Oklahoma City?
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Ceruti
No, I wouldn't pick anyone against Oklahoma City. We can get to that. But.
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Ryan Rosillo
But no, we're going to get to it. Right. Would you pick them against Denver?
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Ceruti
No, that would be probably the team I think they should want, least at 3. If they get 6.
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Ryan Rosillo
I would agree. What about Memphis?
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Ceruti
Yeah, maybe that's because I've just seen them like kind of, you know, toy with Memphis over the years. The 2022 playoffs come to mind. They went in, they stole game one. It would be like kind of a fierce series with a lot of like the Taylor Jenkins, Zach, Edie, Draymond stuff and it would be fun. I think we'd all enjoy it. But I, I have seen Memphis's depth not play as well in a playoff series against the Warriors.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I really, I like their depth. I think there's guys on the team that don't get enough credit and I think, you know, bringing along some of the guys that haven't played, they'll have minutes now with Laravia being out, you know, they, but that's asking a lot of like Gigi or Vince Williams to be like, they have huge moments for us in a playoff series against a team with dudes with attitudes like Draymond and Butler and then, you know, whatever you think of, of, of Steph. Yeah, I mean, Gigi's played 15 games, Vince has played only eight games coming back. But they've both been out there. I, I already kind of know, like we're probably both saying, yeah, I think I'd pick him against Houston. I, I probably pick him against Memphis. I bet you're not going to pick him against the Lakers.
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Ceruti
No, because I think if the Lakers are the three seed, that tells you that the type of final month that they had.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right.
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Ceruti
Oh, Luka's probably in rhythm and they're motivated and they're playing well and they got up to the three and it's starting in la, but man, I mean, how about that first round series, you know? Also mean the warriors had a pretty good final month, being at 6. Like, they would be, you know, it would just be star driven. The LA chase center back to backs and it would like, I would take the Lakers though, just because of the two stars. But I will say this. I've had a few people say, hey, look, it feels like the warriors are one player away. Jonathan Kaminga is about a week away from returning. I don't know how that integration is going to go. It could be a little clunky, but that is their ceiling. Their ceiling is meshing Kaminga into this really well. And then they might be a little bit, you know, scarier to people And.
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Ryan Rosillo
Pajemski, you know, has been better again. I'll. It feels like. Do they get more frustrated with him than anybody right now? Has he replaced Kaminga on the frustration scale?
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Ceruti
Oh man, yeah, probably. Although like they have not been frustrated with his final month. His first month of the year was a lot more frustrating than Kamenga's. You know, I think, I think I would say coming. It gets more frustrated with them than the other way around. But, but Pajemski as you know. And again blame the warriors, blame the warriors organization and Joe Lake of going on summer league broadcast saying future all Star and them, you know, basically like it wasn't at like they didn't protect him in the lorry marketing talks quite as much as like, you know, the reporting and like the, the legend of these Lori marketing talks would say it wasn't like it was Pajemski or no deal. And they were at the one yard line and the warriors pulled back. It just never got close. But they valued him to an extreme level this summer and still value him to an extreme level. To the point he came into camp, he was talking about taking eight to ten threes a game. I'm going to replace Klay Thompson shooting. Chris Paul's gone. I'm going to do more play making like he thought it was like year two of like a Jalen Brunson type trajectory here and he got humbled early in the season and there was like bad moments. I remember a game in Denver, he threw it a really bad alley oop in a two on one that got picked off.
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Ryan Rosillo
I was there for that.
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Ceruti
Okay.
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Ryan Rosillo
And that's why watching it in person, it was like, man, they are like when Steve gets upset with him.
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Ceruti
Remember Steve yelling at him on the sideline that game. And honestly, even worse. Do you remember the like you might not even seen it, but Steve comes to the press conference and he's like, we got guys out here trying to get Sports center top 10 plays. And he was like, he really went off on Pajemski and then started naming him, saying I hope he's listening to this. And then Pajemski, who I will say by the way broke his nose in the last game of preseason, got sick early in the season. It was just a really weird first month for him. But he missed about 12 games with an AB injury and he almost like got away. He was out of the public consciousness. Nobody was even talking about him for a while. I think it mentally reset him. You look at his numbers since then, he's the rookie version of himself. Plus. And I mean, he's now leads the team in plus minus again. He's plus 109 the last six games. And it's not just those type of numbers. It's like he had 17 and 13 the other day. He's shooting the three well and he's really fitting with Butler. And yeah, right now he's really been their third, fourth best player over the last month, at least.
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Ryan Rosillo
Before I go into the OKC stuff, coming off of last night's collapse, which again, is just. They beat Minnesota two nights ago. They've played him three times in 11 games. So I'm not going to look at last night's blown lead and collapse is like, hey, is there a bigger picture thing here with okc? I just want to finish up on the Durant stuff. Like, I think I know you have more info than I do, but just I remember that day. It was like, yeah, there was a deal in place. Doesn't want to come here.
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Ceruti
Yeah. So, I mean, you talked to. I remember talking to Steph after the Butler trade when he was just absorbing, like, oh, wow, we actually did it. And, you know, I kind of asked him about, like, the Kevin aspect of it all, and he was like, he had so the trade deadlines, obviously, on a Thursday, if I have the timing right. He had talked to him basically, like the Saturday ish range before, somewhere around there. And it was. And he was like, yeah, Kevin doesn't want to go here. I know this. But the front office, as it has been told to me, kind of underestimated that aspect. And within talks were kind of being signaled from Phoenix's side that, like, no, it's fine, you know, like, and then by the end, it was like, okay, like, let's. Let's make sure here. And then they were given a much, like, colder view of it from the Durant side of, like, oh, no, he really doesn't want to be here. And I think they had a lot of 2019 flashbacks going through their mind of, like, as good as that 2019 team was, remember how miserable that was? And they just didn't want to replay that. And it was clearly Kevin's wishes not to replay that. So they pulled out of it. But you mentioned it from, from what I understand, like, deal was almost. I mean, it was basically agreed upon except for that last checkpoint. But, you know, I think. I think both front offices should have got that check point out of the way a lot earlier because then I think if you're a Phoenix, you're looking back now, like, you know, you may have ruined a relationship where you could have got that answer a lot earlier.
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Ryan Rosillo
Talk Thunder, as I mentioned, you know, up 25 last night. They lose in overtime to Minnesota. Rudy's not playing last night. Randall's been out diving. Genzo's been out for a really long stretch. But the weirdest part about it is like Ant had a calf thing and then he came out late in the game and they didn't even bring him back in until like a minute or so into overtime. They were up 16 under four. So Oklahoma City's the second team since 2003 to lose a game. Up 16 or more with 345 or less to go. It was a really like one. It was incredible what was happening with the bench guys. Dillingham, Shannon Clark, and then they put them with non Jaden McDaniels when Ant was out. So they played small. I think Finch was just really good. He talked about like his trapping against SGA and they were selling out and trapping him with McDaniels and Alexander Walker. And so there was a defensive adjustment that Finch had talked and you could just see it because they were playing zone a lot. They were trapping. And also Oklahoma City, I think missed every single shot. Okay. Like wide open threes. So like the shots you would want off of that trapping were there and they didn't make any of them. And you also can see a basketball team in the Thunder being like, we just beat these guys. They don't think they're going to lose this game. I think they turned it off somewhat and it's just a credit to like what Shannon did last night. 17:10, you know, Clark's a defensive matchup guy where I think Finch got pissed at him on a foul but then brought him back in. Didn't shut him down for the game because I think with this, you know, injury situation they have, they. They can't start limiting minutes of guys that are in the rotation right now. Here's my point. My, my point is like twofold. Let's start with the Thunder. Windhorse had a really interesting quote just the other day, basically, and I'm paraphrasing that the people around the N B A don't really respect the Thunder or they're not afraid of them, which when you think about who they are defensively, like this is all time stuff. The depth is there, they're getting check back. You want to talk third score that you rely on a playoff game, I would allow it. I've talked about it before here. Do you think that's players being disrespectful? Because I have a hard time believing coaches watching the film of this not respecting what they see.
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Ceruti
I would just say from, from my conversations with, with people on, I guess lower in the west bracket it is more players that seem to be like they're beatable, you know, and I think it's a complete offensive thing. I don't think any, nobody I've talked to is like, oh, that defense is fake, you know, oh like, you know, they're, they're not going to be, you know, they're going to be easy to score. Nobody is saying that to me. It's always been, there's a belief that in the playoff setting you can scheme up against SGA a little bit. I mean you kind of laid it out with what Minnesota did last night. Could just, you take two weeks, you're just scouting them, you're just highly focused. All your veterans are highly focused and you can just focus, you know, you can put all your attention on what's the best defense to bottle up Shay and force Jalen Williams and the rest of the team to score enough. Now look, Oklahoma City could say, you know, that's fine, Maybe we scored 99 in this game, but maybe you score 91 just with the way they're going to play and I think the way they can, they can turn you over. It's like they can get a lot of, you know, fast break transition type stuff. So I don't subscribe to the theory that they're, they're as beatable as others seem to be. But I do understand, I covered that Thunder Mavericks second round series last year. Jalen Williams wasn't quite ready. They've tried to, you know, give him more on ball responsibility, pull ups, you know, playmaking responsibility this year to try to get him readier for those type of series. Chet Holmgren, I think, you know, we're going to see how much rust or not he's going to have from this was a bad injury to have, you know, a multi month absence. So I want to see how ready he is. But the reality of that second round series last year, they probably should have won it or at least it was close. I mean it was a very much a toss up series. Josh Giddey's minutes go look at his minus. I mean that was such a drag on them that whole series. They've clearly obviously wiped that out and.
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Ryan Rosillo
It'S such a glaring like by the time like the second or you know you, I always love like the Second or third game of a series where you go, okay, you have decided this guy does not matter. You know, now and everybody's like in tune. Like you can go in and night to night and go, hey, this is somebody we're going to help off of. You know, this is something we're going to do. But like over the course of a regular season, like a lot of that stuff can get lost. That's why I still think that LA's preparation and execution of what they want to do defensively against Denver on Saturday night was so impressive because it was like a very specific, like this is what we're doing for this matchup. But yeah, like to the giddy stuff, some of these games, it becomes alarming who the guys are that are being ignored offensively. And that's not. Those minutes are just not going to happen now.
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Ceruti
Yeah, I, I want to see the Hartenstein Holmgren minutes the rest of the season because I think they want, they believe that like that's their best five man group and that's the one that they're probably going to win with. You know, the two centers out there, you could say Chet's a power forward, but they just haven't had much data or, or experience with it. But you know, I, I like what Aaron Wiggin, I obviously Caruso's look. I thought Caruso looked good last night. You know, they're deeper. I, again, I'm not among those that are doubting or believing, hey, they're going to get upset in the second round or whatever. But I, I do understand that that theory's out there and again, I just think it's a lot of people that think they can defend that team when it comes down to it in a playoff setting.
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Ryan Rosillo
Would you pick him to win the west right now?
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Ceruti
Yes. Yes, I would. Confidently too. I don't know. Where are you at on, I mean I would have no issues saying I think they're pretty, pretty big favorites.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I think that defense is, is serious. It, it's just there's certain nights that I watch those guys defensively and there's no, there's no like issue. There's nothing with that roster, with the player personalities where I go, oh, what if this guy like, you know, has. And I would just think that Jaylen Williams is second time through a playoff, that he's just going to be a better player because it happens all the time. It happened with sga, which I point out all the time in that Houston OKC series when, when Chris Paul was still on the well when he came back to the Thunder and they took it to 7, like SJ didn't look super comfortable and now the guy might win mvp. Speaking of, you have an MVP vote? I have an mvp. Well, we believe we'll have one for this year, so we don't want to, we don't want to jinx it.
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Ceruti
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Where are you on this? Because it is a two man race.
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Ceruti
Yeah, I mean I, I've had Shea above Jokic for, you know, basically a few months now and I would still have that. Yes, Jokic has definitely closed the gap. But I, you know, I know like the Nuggets getting closer in the standings is relevant for sure. They probably going to end the season as the three, maybe the two seed, but it's like we can't, we need to talk about how big a gap between one and two it's going to be. How big a gap between one and three, whatever, I don't know, you might have it up right now, but it's at least eight, nine games.
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Ryan Rosillo
Eight and a half.
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Ceruti
Yeah, they're eight games better than the Nuggets. We can't just look at the seating here when we talk about, you know, I guess, you know, team success. I do think the team success matters, people. If Shea does win it, anybody that's arguing for Jokic is going to make the voter fatigue case. Which is probably true. You know, I mean, I guess from the human element like, you know, you want to reward the Thunder and Shay for, for, you know, what, what they've done. But if you're just cold hard looking at the stats, you know, Jokic might have, you know, a slightly better case just because of counting numbers. The on offs I know are very similar. I, you know, I don't know exactly what they're at. Maybe you have those up. But you know, Shay, I, I think this really matters it within this conversation like his. Jokic is a fine defender. I'm not even disparaging him on that end. But Shay is like a, a very rare high usage guard who's like a sturdy defensive piece of this best defense in the league. And I don't think that should get lost within this. Like he's, he's a really good defender that doesn't get picked on and is not a weakness out there, which is very rare for, you know, his player type.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, the last time I saw like the, the net rating stuff, they were like right there with you. So I don't want to mislead the audience here because I haven't looked it up and I don't have my cleaning the glass account open on this desktop as I do on my laptop in another room, so I can't log into it really quickly here. I'm surprised a little bit. I mean, look, we all have our different criteria with it, but I think the game standings, I don't know that I would put as much into that. Like, it'd be one thing if Denver was a playing team maybe, you know, but if you're the 2 seed, I mean, granted I could probably make the hey, Jamal. And then Gordon misses that time and we already went into the team knowing that the roster wasn't all that good. Although some of the on off stuff with Jokic was so weighted one because he's the best player, but also because of how bad the depth is. Like it looks even more egregious with the on off stuff for him. So it's a really good statistical argument in his favor, but one that you can kind of look to and go, well, it's, it's even worse because of who they were putting out there and those non Jokic minutes all the time, that start of fourth where you're like, is the lead eight? When can you bring them back in? And all the times where it felt like they would lose that in the past. Yeah, I guess I hadn't really thought of it as like a games behind thing because I just feel like Oklahoma City is the better basketball team for sure.
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Ceruti
I just, I think sometimes people just talk seating more than like if there's that big a gap.
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Ryan Rosillo
No, it's a good point. Like if you're six out but you're the six seed. Yeah. Isn't that actually better? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know that I would put as much into that. I'm still on the Yokich side of the argument as of right now.
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Ceruti
I mean, look, if you were to ask me like who's a better player, like I would probably say Jokic. So maybe I'm maybe like I'm speaking out of both sides of my mouth, but I just like the season the Thunder are having. I don't know, I'm like kind of a reward that type of voter maybe. And just like the seriousness with which they've taken the season and, and the I mentioned it. Maybe I'm waiting it too much. But like the cog he is within this defense that we're talking about. Like, I just don't think that part of it can be ignored. You hear quotes coming out of Oklahoma City about how important it is to them that their best player defends the way he defends and is willing at times to switch on to guys and, like, you know, dig in and bend his knees and like, obviously he's part of that turnover machine that they have there. Like. And I'm not trying to say Jokic is not, you know, a better defender than maybe even his reputation suggests, but I just think what Shea does on both ends matters, not just, you know, his scoring numbers.
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Ryan Rosillo
Last thing, is there anything, because this Minnesota thing, man, like, you know, it's funny because the defensive numbers, what, like a week or two into the season, it's like, man, you know, can you believe they're this bad defensively? If you go through it month by month, go last 15, like, their defense is not an issue. They're fine. I do think people attack Rudy now in a way that I don't know that I've ever seen before. I don't think it's the same amount of fear that's there. But they still have all these perimeter dudes. You could throw at it. So the defensive thing is not an issue. It's. It's really been about the offense. You could even point to some of the offensive stuff last year. So now they are not healthy. And I don't know, do we feel better about them now than we felt? It's just such an odd team to evaluate because I never want to rule them out because of Ant. But then you think, okay, but if everybody's back, is that the best version of them? Because I'd say it's coming off of last year's momentum. It's been underwhelming.
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Ceruti
I think Divincenzo is a swing player for them and getting him back and like, you know, him being like that high volume, you know, good percentage, three point shooter, like, I think he adds a dimension that they're missing right now that can help them at every level of the playoffs. I just like his game and, like, how he fits there. We were really talking about Randall, right? As far as, like, you know, if everybody's healthy, you know, does this. Is this the best, you know, fit.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's about Randle. You're right. I mean, deangenzo fits into any situation, so that's fine. And anybody can use more and more shooting. And I'm not even, like, so down on Rudy that I wouldn't want him in matchups, but it's. It's pretty clear that, like, it's going to be matchup specific for them. In the playoffs, like you could see Rudy getting limited in a way that you wouldn't see certainly during last year's run or some of the prime Rudy defensive years.
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Ceruti
Yeah, this is, I mean it's probably one of the tougher coaching jobs the rest of the season. And Chris Finch deciding on lineups. Yeah, lineups down the stretch and even the, even the personalities at play here. Right. You know, and like, you know, maybe telling Julius Randall he's a, you know, 20 minute per night guy who's mostly second unit and, and you know, okay, bench and go Bear. Although you know, look, Gobert took it on the French team. Right. I mean, which is, might even mean more to him, I would imagine. So I think Rudy can probably understand it a little bit. But yeah, it's gonna, in, in game three of a series that they, that they feel like they need to win. Like Chris Finch is probably going to make a choice that's going to tick off a few people. But I think we all know in sports, like if you just win the game then, then it's tougher for guys to complain.
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Ryan Rosillo
Always good stuff, man. Great catching up with you and we will talk to you probably sometime around the playoffs.
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Ceruti
All right, sounds good. Thanks for having me.
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Ryan Rosillo
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Rudy
You want details?
- [63:44]
Albert Breer
Fine.
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Anthony Slater
I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.
- [63:49]
Albert Breer
What's up?
- [63:50]
Rudy
I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.
- [63:53]
Ryan Rosillo
I have every toy you can possibly.
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Rudy
Imagine and best of all, kids, I am liquid.
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Anthony Slater
So now you know what's possible.
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Ryan Rosillo
Let me tell you what's required. Life advice. The email address lifeadvicerrmail.com got a little room here. Room to, to explore the space. So a couple follow ups with Rudy had something he wanted to bring to the group's attention.
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Rudy
Well, you called me this morning and I was getting out of. I had some blood work because you get, you know, your annual physical and then afterwards you go get some blood work done a couple days after and I had kind of a bad experience. I'm fine. I'm I haven't got the blood work test results back, but I have, like, a golf ball size, like, welt on the inside of my elbow. And, you know, I've had some bad ones before where, like, I just don't think the person doing the blood, like, really gives a shit. And this was like, the all timer. And, like, I get in there and this guy's like, kind of doesn't really want. They're kind of busy. He doesn't really want to deal with me. So he passes me on to this other woman who I think is also kind of busy. And she's just kind of, like, mumbling, not rude, but, like, clearly isn't, like, super pumped that I got passed on to her. She puts the arm thing on me, like, the rubber band thing. It's way too tight. Way too tight. She starts slapping my vein. I thought I had pretty good veins. Maybe not.
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Ryan Rosillo
Not going to a jazz concert. Yeah.
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Rudy
And so time to stick the needle, and she sticks it. I. I'm not a doctor. Not. Not. You know, you just know it's a miss.
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Anthony Slater
You just know she just sticks it.
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Rudy
In way too far. I knew I knew it. And then she pulled it back out, and, you know, the blood starts coming out. And that's always kind of a weird experience, but it, like, kind of hurt. And I was like, that was kind of strange. So I get home, I take a shower. I get out of the shower. I just have this giant golf ball on the inside of my elbow. And it freaking hurts, man. I just. There just seems to be way too much variance in, like, who's good at drawing blood or not. Like, I've had some good experience, and this is by far the worst. But is there no, like, baseline for this at all? Like, does nobody take any pride in this? And I'm gonna. I'm sure there's gonna be. People be like, hey, suck it up, pussy. It's not that bad. I don't know. It just was. It was jarring to me.
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Ryan Rosillo
I.
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Rudy
So here we are. My elbow legitimately hurts.
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Anthony Slater
Yeah. Never. It never goes well. I think two years ago, I, like, she couldn't find the vein. And to make it like that, we were like, all right, that's a wash. And I couldn't pee in the cup. I just couldn't do it. And I just, like. I was like, I'm just the worst patient in America. Yeah. I don't know. I tried. I drank so much water. I went back, like, three times. And they're. Eventually, they're like, all right. I guess you can just leave. And I was like, God, it really. That really hurts.
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Ryan Rosillo
Oregon dialed up the camera.
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Rudy
Uh. Oh, yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
In the lead up prompted.
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Rudy
In the lead up to the marathon, I had pretty bad shin splints. So I go to the doctor, and they're like, all right, we're give you some cortisone shots. So she's like, you're going to get two shots. Like, one here, one here. She puts the first one on my leg. Immediately pass out.
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Ryan Rosillo
Whoa.
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Anthony Slater
Not a needle guy.
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Rudy
Not a needle guy.
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Anthony Slater
Okay.
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Ryan Rosillo
Did you know that you were. Not a needle guy?
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Rudy
Yeah, I know.
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Anthony Slater
You have to let people know, because if they got to catch you.
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Rudy
Well, I was laying down, thankfully, But I wake up, and there's, like, a bunch of people in the room. And I was just like, no idea what happened, but good times.
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Ryan Rosillo
Hey, quick question for the marathon. Is that a ped?
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Rudy
Sure, sure. Let's say it is. Yeah. Okay. It's a steroid, right?
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Ryan Rosillo
Kinda. Yeah. I don't know if you'd want to do that down at Disney. Just something to think about. Yeah. Yeah. I, too, just had blood work done, and I had the awesome experience where I was in New Orleans, and I got a phone call that I missed because I miss all my phone calls. And they were like, you need to call immediately. Yeah. And I went, great. And then, of course, you call them back. It was like, hey, what's the deal? She's like, well, we can't tell you right now. Great.
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Rudy
Sick.
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Ryan Rosillo
Awesome. So this is going to be a fun week. And that's why I went to the World War II Museum, because I was like, I might die soon.
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Rudy
Put things into perspective, like, yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
So I spent, I think, two and a half days down there without knowing. And then the doctor called and was like, no, everything's fine. He's like, what did they say? I was like, they made me like. I was like, just tell me. Just tell me. She's like, I can't tell you. And he was like, I don't know.
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Anthony Slater
Why can't you tell? Yeah, right, right.
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Ryan Rosillo
He's like, I don't know why this is the second time this has happened to me. Me. Where? It was like, just tell me now. And she was like, I can't tell you. And then he gets on. He's like, no, everything's fine. It's like, I don't know why they left a voicemail like that. I was like, great. The other one's a much longer story. I don't know if I'll ever Share. But it was awful. I got a call from the doctor at 3:55 on a Friday before I had finished the show at espn. So I missed the call. I head to the gym, little Friday, West Hartford routine, and I call back and it was like, you need to call us immediately. It was. They were closed. And they were closed until Monday morning.
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Rudy
So just you alone with your thoughts for the weekend.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right, right. And everything worked out. So.
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Anthony Slater
And then they say, what's an Emergency? Please call 911. Like, I'm not sure if this is an emergency. I have no idea.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, just. I'm just, you know, for the doctors that listen to the show.
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Anthony Slater
Go get a script or something for your.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, people don't call the. The New Orleans one wasn't even close to as bad as the one years ago in Connecticut. Because I knew I was like, great. I called immediately. I was in the car. I was leaving espn. And, you know, it's like the office is closed until Monday, 9am I'm like, just sweet. Like, great. I called like three more times, just hoping so. I just think there needs to be something at these med schools where you go, hey, when you call somebody about their results, if there's nothing wrong, leave that in the message at least.
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Anthony Slater
Ahead.
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Rudy
Yeah, well, that was. That was like when, you know, there's kind of nothing worse than like a. An unknown medical possible concern and just you and your thoughts. Because that was like me with the bat thing. I was like, I didn't think it was a big deal. And then, like, somebody got good, by the way.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Rudy
I've got all four of my rabies shots and, you know.
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Anthony Slater
Oh, right, that's right. The rabies.
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Rudy
Two years. Yeah. But like, you know, I call people, I call doctors more often. Yeah. I'm free to go and whatever. Anybody's attic, Whatever you want me to do. But, you know, nobody, no doctor, no see the cdc, no one would just give me an answer of like, should I get this shot or not? Like, no one wants any of the. I mean, I get it. You don't want any of the liability. But it's like, just, can somebody just give me any sort of counsel other than like, maybe you could have it? Probably not. Like, is there any gray area area? Like, give me a lean. Nope. Nobody wants any. Any liability. Okay. So I ended up getting four shots.
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Ceruti
Good times.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, you're good. I think that's just good. I think it's for the neighbor.
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Anthony Slater
Could you do four shots? No way. No way you could do four shots.
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Ryan Rosillo
He would Just have rabies.
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Rudy
Yeah, there's no way I'd be asleep walking around.
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Anthony Slater
You guys put me out for these shots.
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Rudy
Thankfully, I fainted after the first one. She gave me the second one. Good.
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Anthony Slater
While you're out.
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Rudy
Oh, while I was out, homie.
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Ryan Rosillo
Move.
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Rudy
Yeah, where was the shot was in the arm. In my leg. No, it was in my leg. Oh, in the leg. Okay. Right into the shin. Yeah, but like in the muscle.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, we know this. We know this. Even though there's some PED questions, we'll never be able to confirm that he's a steroid user unless it's oral.
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Anthony Slater
Does it count if he was unconscious when he got the steroids? I don't think it does.
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Rudy
Right. Against my will, maybe.
- [71:23]
Ryan Rosillo
That'd be great. In front of Congress.
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Rudy
Do the. The Raphael Palmero finger wag at the. At Disney.
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Ryan Rosillo
I passed out. I'm not here to talk about the shots.
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Rudy
He didn't knowingly take it. You know, can we just.
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Ryan Rosillo
I've been thinking about this, by the way, like, how unfair the p. D. Outrage was towards baseball. Like the second somebody hit too many home runs. And granted they were doing it and it was. But that league takes a beating. And then if anybody in any other sport is like, outperforming and nobody even knows, like, how are you going to judge a guard who's outperforming in the NFL? Like, that guy's had way more pancakes this year. What's wrong? You know, nobody. Nobody even thinks about it in any of the other sports. And now I think we're so just desensitized to all of it. And I. I think, you know, moving forward, there'll be just kind of the stigmas that are gone because you'll say, like, this might actually be good for you, you know, as you age out or whatever. But I just. I just think there's things that happen in other sports that no one ever says anything about. And yet we just dumped thousands and thousands of hours talking about it. Baseball, for like a two decade stretch, you know, and then. Then we all just kind of stopped.
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Rudy
Anyway and we just abandoned baseball nationally. It was like, all right, we're good.
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Ceruti
We just left it.
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Anthony Slater
We.
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Ceruti
It's like nobody moved.
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Rudy
Our job done here.
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Ryan Rosillo
A lot of strikeouts, very few balls in play, Home runs are down. Thank you.
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Rudy
That's like some meme of, like, my job is done here. But what have you done?
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Ryan Rosillo
All right, that's good. That's good. All right, let's read a couple emails here. We're obviously milking this A little bit. Just because we know I have the time. Although, Kyle, do you have an out today?
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Anthony Slater
Oh, no, I'm good. I'm good after you're done. So I'm good.
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Ryan Rosillo
The out is the out.
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Anthony Slater
Yeah. Ceiling is the roof.
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Ryan Rosillo
That's what you're saying. Ceiling is the roof.
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Rudy
Is that okay?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, we're there.
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Anthony Slater
Break it up.
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Ryan Rosillo
Every time we talk about this, look, so we got another Josh Allen checking in. 29 years old, 58145 basketball comp. TJ McConnell with only about 20% of his hustle, maybe 10% of his athleticism in Arizona as an Arizona grad, I have to shout out my NBA Wildcats stats. Bear down. Look. Love, TJ McConnell. I'm currently listening to the Friday Pod, the life advice segment. Had to do a double take when I heard you start to read the Josh Allen email about being named Josh Allen. I've been thinking about emailing you guys the exact same email for a split second. I thought I actually wrote that and somehow forgot I sent it in. I figured another Josh Allen brethren shared my hour experience, but it was quite hilarious to hear it from another Rosillo Pod listener. I'll share my experience and I'll try to keep it brief. I echo all caps. Everything emailer Josh Allen stated. My experience has been quite exactly the same. Which I guess isn't too much of a surprise. I constantly get nice game you played Sunday or you won me my fantasy week. Man. During the season, I received five texts from random family and friends during the AFC championship game, all saying some version of rooting for you against Mahomes.
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Rudy
That's kind of funny.
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Ryan Rosillo
These are all positive.
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Rudy
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Anthony Slater
Your name's not Deshaun Watson or somebody who's not good.
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Rudy
Yeah, I was gonna. This might be too far, but remember, I shouldn't even say this.
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Anthony Slater
Mark this.
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Rudy
Nevermind.
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Anthony Slater
Come on, let it rip. We have time.
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Rudy
Remember. Remember the. I didn't feel like enough time has passed. Remember the Jerry Sandusky thing?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Rudy
And there was another Jerry Sandusky who was like an. In the media. In sports media. It's like, man, one of all times they have the Jerry Sandusky name. It's like, that's a. That's so. It could be way worse.
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Ryan Rosillo
Dude, that was a tough one for that guy. Blessings, strangers. I'm introduced with. Always go with. Oh, like the quarterback. Or shouldn't you be in Buffalo when I was in Maui.
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Anthony Slater
I like that one.
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Ryan Rosillo
You like that one? I was going to use like, I wish I could just meet a Josh Allen one day and use that line. When I was in Maui with my wife on our honeymoon, the hostess of the restaurant hit me with an ah. I thought the reservation was for the Josh Allen. Honestly, it doesn't bother me that much. But it does blow my mind that everyone seems to think they're the first person who has made the joke to me, as if I haven't heard it a hundred times before. Okay, see, this is where I would agree with you. And this kind of gets to whenever I see just the same video on X that was posted, like, four days before and then somebody else. And, like, some of these accounts just feel like unless they've shared the thing that everybody's already seen and they've really offered nothing to society, and they have all sorts of followers. So I guess it's monetized somehow. So I don't resent the monetization. I resent. You know, I don't even resent the joke that necessarily is. I'm not offended by the joke. I'm offended by that you think you're actually contributing something here. And I think, if anything, it just shows that a lot of people like to just be a part of the conversation. You know, the. If you say something positive about a woman, and I've done it, you know, a few times. Yeah, right. Yeah, but like, if it was a co worker, right? A coworker who's female or a woman, and the guy that goes, I hope she sees this, dude. She's not gonna fuck you. You know? And you're like, you've saw that 700 other times, and you thought it was funny because you're like, oh, you know what some people do is they tweet this when a man says this about a woman. And I'll be like, oh, oh, reading this gave me a stroke. Oh, you know, so it's like the same stuff. Like, the first time I. I saw. Reading this gave me a stroke. I laughed, I chuckled. I was like, that's pretty funny. And then it's not that anybody's coming up with it. They're just like, man, I'm just part of this whole thing. And that's generally, like, what I've learned about a lot of people is that they just kind of want to be a part of something. So this is what you're a victim of. Both you and Josh Allen, the other guy that emailed, you're just victim of people that probably aren't that creative and want to feel like they're having their little moment. And they always ignore the fact that this moment has happened to you so many different times. So, you know, there you go. I've yet to come up with a good response besides something lame like I'm the original Josh Allen muttered in a slightly disparaging tone. I've also given the blank stare. Yeah, you're right, Kyle. I don't think it does hit the condescending haha. Yeah, I'm glad to hear at least one other Josh Allen shares this conundrum. I can only wonder how many more are out there. There could be a series, it'd be a Netflix thing. They just get in a room, they all look at each other. One guy goes, I thought you were supposed to be in Buffalo. One last funny story. I have the username that is basically Josh Allen. On a popular social media payments app. I frequently get friend requests from Bill's fans for requests for hundreds to thousands of dollars from losing sports gamblers. I'll attach a few. I started you in the playoffs and you let me down. This guy requests a hundred bucks. John requests $6,000. Save a fan's ass. Congrats on your contract. So happy to have you with us. Let's go Buffalo.
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Albert Breer
What a.
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Ryan Rosillo
What a super fan that guy was. Hey, here, can I get six grand?
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Rudy
Good season, huh? Yeah.
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Anthony Slater
Never gets anything when he. When Josh Allen makes some plays and wins parlays. No one ever sends money, right? They always come looking for it. Yeah, that's just society though. There's nothing he could do about that.
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Ryan Rosillo
I told you about the friend, who's the guy. I picked out a Chevy Silverado. Just sent him the link on an Instagram DM asking if he could buy it for him. It was like totally serious. He just mapped it all out. It was like, I know life has been good to you and I know you'd like to, like, where would you.
- [79:32]
Anthony Slater
Bullet points as to.
- [79:33]
Ryan Rosillo
Why would anyone actually ever do that? Like if you just DM Vince Vaughn, be like, I've got it all picked out. It's a Jeep Cherokee. You know, good gas mileage down the street, South Bay Jeep.
- [79:49]
Rudy
Love, Gene.
- [79:50]
Ryan Rosillo
Old school.
- [79:51]
Rudy
Yeah.
- [79:54]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know, maybe somebody famous would do it to then say they did it to show that that is true.
- [79:59]
Rudy
Look at how good I am.
- [80:00]
Anthony Slater
I was thinking for the Josh Allen guy, what if he was just like, my dad's name's Woody, so it's not that bad or something. Like you could, you could do something else. Like there's a joke. That's not.
- [80:09]
Ryan Rosillo
That's not bad, Kyle.
- [80:10]
Anthony Slater
Right. I Just came up with that, like, Woody. Because you don't want to be Woody Allen, Right. So maybe that works.
- [80:18]
Ceruti
But then you're also like, my dad's.
- [80:20]
Anthony Slater
Tim, you know, I don't know. There might be something there. Just a new one.
- [80:24]
Rudy
A new one rolled X.
- [80:25]
Anthony Slater
Just explore new stuff.
- [80:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Did you like Home Improvement as a kid, Kyle? Yes, a lot.
- [80:30]
Anthony Slater
Did. Did like it a lot. Tim Allen, great voice. And then I learned later about his, like, early troubles. That's pretty cool.
- [80:38]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Come back in a row. Yeah.
- [80:40]
Rudy
Did you know that there was a Home Improvement video game?
- [80:43]
Anthony Slater
I just learned that because I follow a bunch of nostalgia accounts. I think it was NES or something.
- [80:48]
Rudy
I thought it was it Sega or. Yeah. Sega Genesis maybe. Which. All those Sega Genesis games back in the day were the exact same game, just with different things, you know, like, they were. You all just kind of go in a zigzag upward motion. You throw stuff and you jump over stuff. But it was like there was a Home Improvement video game.
- [81:05]
Anthony Slater
They were just licensing anything back then.
- [81:07]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember Outrun. My little brother was like, the car just stays in the middle the whole time and the screen moves or something. Yeah. And he destroyed the game for me. I was like, he's right.
- [81:19]
Rudy
Damn it.
- [81:19]
Ryan Rosillo
You know, the way. The way little kids can just see stuff in a way that's not. It's not contaminated. And then he's like, no, the car's just staying there. I'm thinking, oh, no way. He's right. Yeah.
- [81:31]
Anthony Slater
There was, like, a. Something in the Toys R Us. There was actually. There was a pretty big commercial run probably when I was, like, maybe 8 or 9, and I was like, all I want for Christmas is this robot. It's called Emilio. And it was, like, pricey. Like, everything that was electronics and a little bit cool back then was so expensive compared to, like, what it is now. And my dad was just like, come on, man, you don't want that. And I was like, dad, the commercial says he'll do the laundry for us. And, like, there's all this. You know, it's like it was a remote control thing, but it was. I don't know, like, the size.
- [81:59]
Ryan Rosillo
Did you really think the robot was gonna do your laundry, Dude, I hate.
- [82:01]
Anthony Slater
To say it, but, yeah, I did. Yeah, I did. And to this day, we got it. And I was just like, halfway through Christmas Day, I was like, this thing's a piece of shit. And he was like, I told you. I told you. And he still jokes about it to this day. I've Never, never get over it. He's like, oh, is he gonna do your laundry for you? Like when I got my Mustang or whatever. It's like, he'll find a way to like, you know, like dig. So, yeah, Emilio, that was my.
- [82:26]
Ryan Rosillo
The Home Improvement video game. That must have been the worst present ever. That would be the uncle, like a great uncle who likes that.
- [82:34]
Anthony Slater
Yeah.
- [82:35]
Ryan Rosillo
Hell yeah. I don't even know. I don't even know if he likes Tim Allen, but he'd be like, you know, they still had those in stock and you're sitting there and you're like, what. What's the concept of the game? Serity.
- [82:44]
Rudy
It looks like I am. I am. I don't know what that like the overall, like, you know what the goal is, but there are apparently dinosaurs that shoot lasers.
- [82:52]
Ryan Rosillo
So I don't remember that episode Home Improvement.
- [82:57]
Rudy
But yeah, there's. That's. I'm on a Reddit thread about that, so I can't find like a game score. I don't know if they did that back then. It was Super Nintendo, by the way, not Sega. I had Sega. I was one of those kids that, I don't know what's it called. I know what they were doing. Sega.
- [83:11]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Okay.
- [83:12]
Rudy
Did I say it wrong?
- [83:14]
Ryan Rosillo
No, that's.
- [83:15]
Rudy
I got it.
- [83:16]
Ryan Rosillo
Let's see here. You want to do some normal ones? Let's do it. Yeah.
- [83:21]
Anthony Slater
20 minutes in. Why not take a flyer? Normal one.
- [83:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Please advise. Rude or boss bitch. All right. Hello. I'm representing the portion of your audience known as the wives who listen to the car with their husbands. No gym stats. Just had a baby though, so congrats to me on the sex.
- [83:36]
Rudy
Nice.
- [83:37]
Ryan Rosillo
All right.
- [83:38]
Anthony Slater
She sounds cool.
- [83:39]
Ryan Rosillo
In conversation with my husband tonight, he just informed me that ending an email with please advise is considered rude, passive aggressive, or too direct. Is this true? I went back through my sent emails and would say I used the phrase daily. I often pair it with direct questions and get the answers I need. But now I'm second guessing that I need to ease up a bit. For context, I'm an interior designer who frequently works with construction trades and male dominated fields. So do I really care if they think I am rude? Not really. But I was shocked when my husband told me this revelation let me know what the crew think. As an aside, I actually love listening to your travel pods. I find your ongoing search for the perfect American steak in European countries hysterical. I think it's more about the salad dressing rants. Personally, I haven't caught the Henry the Seventh. What do we got Henry VIII pod yet? Well, we haven't done that. We did Henry V, but she likes to listen to history pods. Please advise. She says. Here, here's the question I would ask. The questions you're asking in the email and now, personally, I don't think it's like that rude, but do you feel like if you don't say please advise, they're just going to ignore your questions?
- [84:50]
Anthony Slater
Right.
- [84:51]
Rudy
Possibly.
- [84:54]
Anthony Slater
It's worth exploring new words. I think I've said it a couple times. Usually only when I'm dealing with ad people. Like, I'm not. I'm not emailing Cerutty. And then be like, please advise.
- [85:01]
Rudy
Please advise.
- [85:02]
Anthony Slater
Do you think I could have off next Sunday?
- [85:03]
Ryan Rosillo
I'd like it. Please advise.
- [85:07]
Anthony Slater
That's not it. But I've done it with like some ad people. And honestly, you know what? You're maybe right, because I've done it when I'm like pissed off at some ad people. It's not real. Like, it's like, all right, whoa, we're going back and forth over this thing that probably shouldn't have been a really conversation in the first place. And it's like the fourth response. And I'll be like, please advise. Maybe. But yeah, I think. I don't know, there's. There. It's better than what do you guys think? So, I mean, I don't know what the. I don't know what it is, but I think, yeah, you could try thoughts?
- [85:31]
Ryan Rosillo
Sure.
- [85:32]
Anthony Slater
Yeah, I think you could try something else. Just see if you like it. It sounds like you just, you know, you're going through the motions and it feels right. But, you know, maybe you just gotta fix your jump shot.
- [85:41]
Rudy
There are way more aggressive and douchey, I feel like email phrases. I mean, please advise. It does feel a little bit redundant, obviously, because if you're sending an email in the first place, you're looking likely for something or a solution to something or a question. So. But to your point, Ryan, like, I do think there are people who, like, you can send an email to. You don't get the answers that you want. So if you want a specific answer on something, you say, please advise. I think it's just all about the tone, the relationship with the person, you know, like, if you do the whole, like, per my last email, like, that's a dick. That's. That comes off is dickish. Right. But I don't think please advise is in that. In that group.
- [86:17]
Anthony Slater
All right, I got some alternatives here. These are good. These aren't Good at all, read them all. I get your advice on the matter. This is just Google's like Gemini throwing stuff at me. I would appreciate your guidance on. I don't hate that, but I don't like it better than please advise. I'm waiting for you to respond. Jesus, that's worse. I don't know.
- [86:35]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't.
- [86:35]
Anthony Slater
Please let me know your thoughts about.
- [86:37]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know.
- [86:38]
Anthony Slater
Could you provide guidance? Maybe I don't. And I, I still think please Advise is probably 1a or 1b on the.
- [86:43]
Ryan Rosillo
List that I've never liked. Yeah, I've never liked please advise more. Yes, I get her point though. It's she wants it to be a little direct. Right. You know, if there's some of these other ones are like let me know what you're thinking. Well, you know, let me know what you're thinking. I'm asking you for like, for specifics here. One of the materials going to be ready, like when could you have this install done? Done? Like are you going to be good to go on this stuff? So she doesn't want to be like open ended. She doesn't want to be too passive with it. But I still think there's probably something a little bit better than please advise. If anything. When I read this email I started realizing like, I don't know that anybody ever sends me rude emails. Seruti, did you have a rude email experience at espn?
- [87:26]
Rudy
I'm sure I don't really remember specifically, but I'm not a big email guy to begin with. I just don't really like email. I'd rather use Slack than what we use. Yeah. Because it's very direct and it's like texting kind of in a way and it's a little bit, I don't know, maybe there are like less boundaries because it's basically just like a, like a version of texting on your phone. It's like, it's like instant messenger back in the day.
- [87:46]
Anthony Slater
I like it.
- [87:47]
Rudy
So when you send me an email, I'm actually probably less likely to respond to it than if you just slack me. So to my coworkers, I guess if anybody's listening, that's probably the best way to get a hold of it.
- [87:54]
Anthony Slater
Also my Slack doesn't say I have 15,000 unread emails. So it's usually like one or two slacks that I have to check out. I just, I can't tell you how many times I screw up an email account. So many times I've got now four, like just through my whole breadth of emailing. I've got my original like Yahoo from back in the day. I've got a Gmail, I've got my Spotify Hotmail. They all. I did have a Hotmail as a backup for something. I don't know if I can even get into that. Coupons Also had another Gmail that I don't want to say the name of. But every single one of them, no matter what I try, it's going to be different. I look up, couple years have passed and it's like 15,000 unread emails. I don't know how the fuck it happened. I don't know.
- [88:33]
Ryan Rosillo
A couple years have passed. Why do you even check them anymore?
- [88:36]
Anthony Slater
No, I'm not saying. I'm just saying like, you know, a couple years I'm using the email for things. I'm using it, but then I just wake up one day and I just see, I see it, I notice it. It's like, God damn it, I let 15,000 emails slip by me again.
- [88:47]
Ceruti
See, I have to.
- [88:48]
Anthony Slater
That part of me, I don't check the promotional. But like when they sneak those little things when you're like in order to sign up or to pass in, you have to uncheck the box that says I don't want promotional stuff. Sometimes that one gets past me. And you know, you think about it, I don't know how Enterprise has probably sent me. Like, you know, I rented a car once, I probably have 500 emails from them from two years ago.
- [89:08]
Ryan Rosillo
So yeah, I usually type it on. It must have got me dead people walking around.
- [89:14]
Rudy
Some Enterprise keep firing it though. See if he remember that.
- [89:16]
Ryan Rosillo
Kyle.
- [89:17]
Rudy
See, I'm the, I'm the opposite though, Kyle. Like I read, I have to mark all mine red unless it's something I'm going to go back to. So if I have like 11 emails, it's 11 things that I need to like go back and, and make sure I handle. And then I do. Once a week I'll do an unsubscribe sweep of things that get into my mind.
- [89:32]
Anthony Slater
I feel like that doesn't work. I've unsubscribed from the same thing at least three times.
- [89:36]
Rudy
There is one company that, that really has been pissing me off and I've thought about hitting them up and I won't mention them, but they like I unsubscribe all the time and it's like cool. Do you just not listen to me? That's fun, right?
- [89:46]
Ryan Rosillo
People use life advice to subscribe to stuff like that.
- [89:49]
Albert Breer
Oh yeah.
- [89:49]
Rudy
I'm sure, I'm sure.
- [89:50]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [89:50]
Anthony Slater
That makes it harder to get your emails read. Guys, just so you know, if you're.
- [89:53]
Ryan Rosillo
Doing this, that I guess we probably could try to answer a couple of these. All right. Huge potential move with a baby on the way. Did we read this one already? I don't think so. Comp is Wizards. Paul Pierce.
- [90:03]
Rudy
2.
- [90:04]
Ryan Rosillo
276 2, 285 bench, 455 squat. 405 deadlift.
- [90:10]
Rudy
Called game though.
- [90:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I love that. Love that game. All right. I try to keep it short. My wife and I live in a small college town outside of metropolitan area that boasts a Kermit voice prodigy that could become the Goat.
- [90:25]
Ceruti
What?
- [90:25]
Ryan Rosillo
I've lived here my entire. It's talking about Mahomes. No, lived here my entire life. My parents live here, graduated from the university here, and my wife and I now work at the university. We do what I would call really meaningful work and have done so together for the last three years. We've also been married the same amount of time. My wife moved here to be with me a semester before I graduated from college. She's originally from the upper Midwest. A few weeks ago, I returned for a business trip. To my surprise, an announcement from my wife. She's pregnant. They've been trying for the last four months and I couldn't be happier. Congrats to you guys. This past summer we were approached with a job offer to do the same kind of work, but on a greater scale in what Anthony Bourdain called one of the two greatest cities in all of America. By the way, I read Kitchen Confidential. I'm over my time. I had never read it. It's good. Incredible. Yeah, incredible. He's a really great writer. You know, he. He just a very theatrical way of describing stuff and you know, it's. It's not shocking the book did so well and that he was so great as a television host. No longer with us. On the surface, this move is a no brainer. We'd leave my family, but be very close to my wife's family. The position itself comes with a ton of upward mobility. On top of it all, I love the city. We went for an interview a couple weeks ago and ever since I've gotten great feedback, whether from the who interviewed us or from mutual connections. The job hasn't been offered to us, but there's still a couple more potential candidates. But all signs point to this being a real opportunity. Despite all the positives, there's still some obvious things for us to consider. We recognize this will be a huge move. Not only will we be learning to adjust to the work life transition that a newborn represents, but it also be in a new environment that neither of us have ever been in before. We'd also be leaving behind a situation that for all intents and purposes, we love. We love the work we've done, we love the people here. We've been really successful. Moving would mean that we were practically hitting the reset button on everything we've built up to this point. Whatever happens, we'll be perfectly content. But at this stage of my life, I feel like if there's any time to make a move, it is now, before we have kids, before we lay down solid roots, et cetera. I'm an ambitious guy and I love the idea of doing impactful, meaningful work. But what is more important to me is that it's the best decision for my family, both in the short and long term. With me being a consistent, longtime listener and by proxy, my wife, I figured I'd write the fellows and see what they think. Appreciate you guys taking the time to read this. Look, I mean, my approach to this is always pretty standard. You love where you're at. You've got this awesome, you know, dynamic. You can always go back to it. It'll likely always be there for you. And even though you're about to start a family, the newborn part of it, you're not as worried about schools. Yes, you're not going to have the same amount of help, but if you'll allow me without sharing it on the email, I think I have an idea of what field you work in. I would imagine this field provides you a great sense of community. I'd imagine that your acceptance into what, what field you're in, like, provides just a lot of support. So you might have more support despite, you know, feeling like you're, you're a stranger in a new area than just, you know, some of these other dudes emailing us in, being like, hey, I'm in suburban Atlanta and I'm by myself playing video games. I'm 28 and no girls like me. So, look, I am big on this. I'm just so big. Because you like the area. I mean, the other times it's, hey, the career part is this, but I don't want to leave home or I'd rather live here. It seems like you are up for the adventure. It seems like it also potentially raises what your ceiling is, which I think is always baked into this internal debate that you'll have with yourself when you're facing these kinds of opportunities and look like, I mean, not to go. Go to Zen on you. But, you know, life is about these experiences. Life is about having these experiences. Like put. Put the rest of it kind of in a better perspective, you know. And I. I always would tell my younger siblings whenever, you know, they love Martha's Vineyard. They're kind of in tune with the whole deal with the place. But I was always very big on, like, you need to leave so that you'll come back and appreciate this more or you. You'll know that you're not missing anything or you'll leave and go. I'm really glad I don't live there, you know, so. So I'm big on telling you to go for it because of the simple part of what the first line of the answer is is that the whole cliche of you can always go home. I think in this case, you can certainly always go home.
- [94:48]
Anthony Slater
Yeah, I'm a guy that wants to go back. It's not as easy right now, but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. I want to go back and still have things remain pretty good for me. I came out here as a guy with nothing to lose, and now, oh, I kind of got shit to lose. So, you know, it's gotta be like a structured retreat, so to speak.
- [95:03]
Ryan Rosillo
So I love I got shit to lose.
- [95:06]
Anthony Slater
Kyle, by the way, thanks, but I totally agree with you. Like, you know, if you never leave and you never know, it's like, that's gross. It seems like everyone's kind of on the same page except for, like, this is good too. That also seems good. And it sounds like you can come back and maybe be. Your wife, can maybe be what was. Would be her boss now or whatever. Like, it sounds like when he's saying the upward mobility and like, that is good for your family and, I don't know, early children. I think if you really don't like it, you have time to get back before you're not like, pulling your kid out of high school or something. I think you have time to figure out whether this is the right move or not. And I don't know. I agree. I'd say move. It's cool that you have a place that you really love and that you see yourself coming back to one day.
- [95:51]
Albert Breer
So.
- [95:51]
Ryan Rosillo
And it flies by like, just inside. I've been in LA now seven years. That's seven years. So basically, like my 40s will, except for the first couple, like, will by be primarily living in Los Angeles and some days it feels like I just moved here and. But the point is, it's like you're gonna. If you move, you know, it's gonna feel huge. It's gonna feel. You know, those first few months when you're driving around being like, oh, I really live here. Like, I actually got a new pizza spot. Yeah, this. This is crazy. And then it just becomes normal, and then the years are just going to start flying by, and, you know, for me, I could never imagine living anywhere else. Maybe I'll move again. I don't know. But I'm. I'm happy I did it. But I'm. I'm not trying to, like, compare the same thing. I guess I'm just talking strictly in a timeline thing. Like, I can't believe how fast this time has gone by since I moved from Connecticut. And my guess is, if you're moving to a place that you like, it's going to go by so fast that next thing you know, your kid's going to be five, you might have another kid, you know, and you're going to go, all right, maybe now we have to start making some of those other decisions. But I don't really see the downside to this experience.
- [97:11]
Anthony Slater
Yeah. Could be interested to know if your parents are letting you know this breaks their heart every day. Like one of my parents is doing to me.
- [97:17]
Rudy
Yeah, that's a tough one.
- [97:18]
Anthony Slater
That's a tough one. If everyone's just like, wait, you're taking my grandchild away before, you know, whatever. And I don't even have that. It's just like, you know, I get told I missed a lot, and it's like, I'm doing something to this person by not being there, and that's just, whatever. She loves me and whatever.
- [97:34]
Ryan Rosillo
But, Kyle, you know what you do? Just go, I don't want your life.
- [97:40]
Anthony Slater
What is that from? Why do I know that?
- [97:41]
Rudy
Oh, it's the beak dude.
- [97:42]
Ryan Rosillo
Dude just made it up.
- [97:44]
Rudy
Yeah.
- [97:45]
Ryan Rosillo
You wrote that? Yeah.
- [97:48]
Rudy
Rudy, I would. I would echo Kyle's thing about the kids. Like you. You can move kids when they're young. I don't exactly.
- [97:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Kids love to move when they're young.
- [97:57]
Anthony Slater
It could be a game. When they're young, Right?
- [97:59]
Ryan Rosillo
I mean, yes.
- [98:00]
Rudy
You actually have way more time, I think, than you think, to live there, figure out if you like it, and then if you don't, just move back and, like, it's kind of no harm, no foul. I mean, I always. There's kind of. In my head, there's, like, two sort of easy Ways to move. One is, you know, Kyle's example, and you just have nothing to lose. And it's like, might as well just see what this is about. And then if it doesn't work, you just kind of come back. And the other one, if it just financially makes sense, and you're not gonna have to worry about money, and, like, it's just gonna be easy for you. And again, you could probably just move back if it doesn't work out anyway because you're in a decent financial position. So. Sounds like both of those are maybe checked off the list. So. So I think you got to try it. And, you know, I. You know, as someone who I have lived in Connecticut most of my life. I did live in D.C. for a period of time. I love D.C. i would have absolutely loved to live there, but it just didn't kind of work out career wise.
- [98:47]
Ryan Rosillo
And then I always forget about D.C. ceruti.
- [98:50]
Rudy
Yeah, I listen, I went to, like, 50 Nats games in one season when they were, like, five bucks a ticket. I was sitting in nosebleeds. They. I think they. There was a. There was a weekend series against the Marlins that I'll never forget, where they were leading in the ninth inning of every single game and lost all. All of them. So look at their attendance now.
- [99:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Siri was like, my work is done.
- [99:08]
Rudy
Yeah, we're back. I basically started being. Being a Nats fan, so what's up? But, yeah, so I. I just. It just didn't work out for me career wise. I would have loved to have lived there. I mean, so, I don't know. Like, I think. I wouldn't worry about the kid thing initially, unless. Unless you're just afraid, like, you're going to have no help. But again, if you have. If. If this is a good financial situation for you guys, then that's obviously going to help you with the childcare stuff and long terms and maybe just kind of, hey, you have to bite the bullet for now. But. But I'm kind of always pro. Figuring stuff out if you can. And then, you know, you could always come back. It's not the end of the world.
- [99:36]
Anthony Slater
Would you consider moving back to D.C. now that the swamp is drained? I'm just kidding.
- [99:42]
Ryan Rosillo
Not if he had to fill out an email saying what he did this week.
- [99:45]
Anthony Slater
Yeah.
- [99:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [99:46]
Rudy
Yikes. Yeah. Yeah. What do you do here.
- [99:52]
Ryan Rosillo
Ceruti the lobbyist? Like, I don't know, dude.
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Rudy
I'll leave that alone.
- [100:03]
Anthony Slater
That was perfect.
- [100:09]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, last one here. Sydney Sweeney is hurting my marriage. Hey, is that true? That engagement got delayed.
- [100:17]
Rudy
People are saying, big news for people on Instagram.
- [100:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Sad, sad day. Day. Sad day indeed.
- [100:27]
Rudy
Okay, what did you said? You said what? That she's. What did you say?
- [100:30]
Ryan Rosillo
It's just that the engagement had been delayed. You know, this thing that sucks for celebrities is that it could have been, like, a venue issue. Maybe there was a flood at the venue, and they're like, oh, the engagement. And basically everybody's going like, this dude's expiration date. Right? You know?
- [100:44]
Rudy
Oh, because he's.
- [100:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Because he's older, you know, that sucks. Us older guys, we resent that kind of stuff.
- [100:50]
Anthony Slater
I can hear it in his voice.
- [100:51]
Ryan Rosillo
He's like, that sucks. That's what I'm doing. I'm not even talking about him specifically. I'm just saying, like, you know, it's. You're pissed at him because he has game.
- [100:59]
Rudy
I'm kind of embarrassed to know this, but I think it's that they had been engaged for three years, and then the wedding has now been pushed back is what I. What I think I read, which I. You know, three years plus a pushback. That doesn't seem promising. But I don't know. Celebrities are weird. Maybe it's totally normal.
- [101:18]
Ryan Rosillo
I'd be down like, hey, can we push this back six months? No problem.
- [101:23]
Rudy
Speaking of marriage, you see, Lana Del Rey got married to some, like, regular dude.
- [101:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that was a while ago, dude.
- [101:29]
Rudy
No, I know. I'm just saying I could just hope for the guys out there, you know, you never know. Shoot your shot.
- [101:35]
Ryan Rosillo
I love the regular dude husbands.
- [101:39]
Rudy
I don't know what. I'm trying to find what he does.
- [101:40]
Ryan Rosillo
You should have one of those guys on.
- [101:42]
Anthony Slater
Yeah, totally, totally.
- [101:44]
Rudy
Hit up Lana Del Rey reps and be like, hey, could we have her?
- [101:46]
Anthony Slater
We just. Not her questions.
- [101:47]
Ryan Rosillo
Not her.
- [101:48]
Anthony Slater
Yeah, we just ask him.
- [101:49]
Rudy
We don't care about her.
- [101:50]
Ryan Rosillo
There was a kid, we went to high school with that we're like, here. He's dating the girl. I don't know if it was Gossip Girl or something, but he was dating, like, a legitimate star, and somebody was like, how did they meet? He's like. He was working at a shoe store.
- [102:03]
Rudy
Holy shit. He's an alligator tour guide.
- [102:06]
Anthony Slater
Yeah, that's what it was.
- [102:07]
Rudy
That's awesome. Maybe he isn't a regular dude.
- [102:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, sounds like. Sounds like an awesome dude.
- [102:14]
Rudy
Yeah.
- [102:15]
Ryan Rosillo
Wonder what's your licensing for that. That. Imagine you're just trying to follow in his footsteps. You move down to some place, become an alligator tour guide. And he's like, all right, when do the starlets show up? All right, so our guy's 5 foot 7 and 3 quarters. Love it. 165, 185 times, 8 reps on the bench. I was indulging in some recreational marijuana, watching the first season of White Lotus with my amazing wife. The beautiful Sydney Sweeney was turning heads poolside in a bikini. The tropical locale and stunning temptress overwhelmed my lizard brain, and I blurted it out. I would take a bullet for you, Sidney. This led to a big fight with my wife, and needless to say, we're not finishing. Not finishing. White Lotus season one. Obviously, I'm a moron, but what do I do to remedy the situation?
- [103:12]
Rudy
Well, one.
- [103:13]
Ryan Rosillo
Is that true? Is this a true story? I don't know.
- [103:16]
Anthony Slater
I can't imagine anybody would let that out. But let's just.
- [103:20]
Rudy
Kyle, do you talk about. When you're watching movies and tv, do you talk about how hot somebody is in front of your wife? Because, like, I do. And my wife, she will do it.
- [103:27]
Anthony Slater
I've done it maybe twice. And, like, years have passed in between. She will do it. Talk about how pretty a girl is. Whatever. And I think I said it once. Pretty, tamed. Just being like, ed. It's just a. And then there's just conventionally beautiful woman and it doesn't make sense with or something. And then I could see it's like, oh, still can't do this. So I'm never itching to bring it out, but if she'll say something nice about a woman on tv, how beautiful, whatever. Maybe. Maybe I've done it. Like, I could really count, like, two times, and each time it was like, yep.
- [103:54]
Ryan Rosillo
Still.
- [103:54]
Anthony Slater
Still isn't something I'm gonna do. So. Simple as that.
- [103:58]
Rudy
See, it's kind of the opposite. Cause I feel like me and my wife, we, like, know who each other's people are.
- [104:02]
Anthony Slater
I know those people are out there. I was like, maybe she'll be like.
- [104:04]
Rudy
Oh, that's your girl.
- [104:05]
Ceruti
I'm not.
- [104:06]
Rudy
But she'll be like, oh, that's your girl. Might hear it, right? It is my girl. But I don't know that I would blur it out while watching White Lotus, something that absurd. So that's why I'm like, is this actually real? I don't know if you. If you did, that's like, I wouldn't do that. That. That is kind of rude, right?
- [104:19]
Anthony Slater
Like, beat me with a baseball bat.
- [104:20]
Rudy
Yeah, like, I would drink your bath water.
- [104:22]
Ceruti
It's like, what the.
- [104:22]
Rudy
What's going on right now?
- [104:24]
Ryan Rosillo
A little too far Little salt burn for you. Yeah. I mean, that's really specific, man. I mean, you really. You didn't just say, oh, wow, you know, she's something else. You went overboard with it. I don't know why you said it that way either, so I can understand that she's going to be upset, but she's your wife, so there's probably something you liked about her. So she probably. You know, you're going to laugh about this at some point. I just don't know why. So, Rudy or no, Kyle, you're still two years out, not laughing. You do. You do see. You do see, like, the dynamic that some people are going to listen to this and go, she can compliment other women. You can't compliment other women. Like, is she sitting there watching Chris Pine and being like, you smash me in the head with a baseball bat?
- [105:11]
Anthony Slater
Never a dude. It's never a dude in our house. It's always been she.
- [105:15]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, so that might be okay. That might be the problem.
- [105:19]
Rudy
So you can compliment dudes is what. Is what how I understand this.
- [105:23]
Anthony Slater
I could. Yeah. I usually.
- [105:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Every time Idris comes up, you should be like that.
- [105:27]
Rudy
Damn.
- [105:27]
Albert Breer
I usually.
- [105:27]
Anthony Slater
Save it for life advice.
- [105:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, save some for the rest of us, buddy.
- [105:34]
Anthony Slater
You should have been James Bond. Yeah, I don't know. New James Bond. We might be getting one right now. That there's. I guess we've been here for a while, but now that they turned over the rights to choose the next James Bond strictly to Amazon, we might get one pretty soon.
- [105:49]
Ryan Rosillo
Who's saying it's going to be Carissa Thompson?
- [105:52]
Rudy
People are saying that.
- [105:53]
Ryan Rosillo
That's what I heard. Heard.
- [105:55]
Rudy
Wow.
- [105:55]
Ryan Rosillo
All right. Thanks to Kyle, thanks to Wargon. Thanks to Ceruti. The Ryan Rosilla podcast on video form as well. Please subscribe, Ring or Spotify.