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Ryan Rosillo
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Todd McShay
That's good to see you. Good to see you, Todd. How you doing, brother?
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, good to see you. DJ it's been a minute. I'm doing well. How are you?
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Todd McShay
I'm doing great, man. You are absolutely crushing it, by the way. Not only the content, I don't know who you got working on this thing, but like the, the quality of, of videos that you guys are promoting. What you guys are doing from a podcast standpoint is ridiculous. I don't Know, if there's an army of a thousand people working on this.
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Daniel Jeremiah
My guy Eduardo, I gotta give him props. He's the best clip guy in the business.
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Todd McShay
Dude, you got the best clips. It's not even close. Like, we gotta get our step. My clip. Game up, man.
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Ryan Rosillo
Incredible clips.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I appreciate it.
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Ryan Rosillo
I. I agree. All right, let's go. Let's go to the top, right? Where does the uncertainty start? How soon does it start in this draft? We'll start with you, dj.
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Todd McShay
Well, I think I feel pretty certain about, one, that being locked in. I would say if you're going to put a percentage on it. It seems like everything's directing and trending towards Travis at 2. I. I really think 3 is where the draft kind of starts and where the fun begins. I'm leaning at this point in time where we're recording this, that they're not going to go quarterback, that they're going to take Abdul Carter or they're going to trade and get out of there. That's just my. That's not from inside the building. That's just my observation on the whole thing. And that's where, you know, that's where the fun starts.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I agree. And obviously, you know, the last minute and Giants brass flying out to Boulder, Colorado for the Shador Sanders private workout is. Has added some intrigue. Right. It's interesting because I had a conversation with the general manager this weekend, and he. Because I don't want to say I was closing the book, but I was kind of like, all right, yeah, Abdul Carter, three Giants, and then we'll see how this whole thing plays out. And he's like, I've talked to some people, it's split. I wouldn't say split. It's a little bit contentious inside the giant Straft Room, and there are some people that are pushing hard for Shador. I also wonder, too, you know, at this point in time with ownership, you know, we hear a lot of stories after the fact of ownership getting involved when it comes to the quarterback position and drafting that high. So that part's fascinating. The other thing, though, the conversations I'm having, and I'm curious what you're hearing, D.J. it's like, I think everyone views it as, yeah, yeah, yeah, Cam Ward's going one, right? Titans, that. That thing's done. But then it's like we kind of want our cake and eat it, too. We're interested in these other quarterbacks, whether it's Shador Sanders, Jackson Dart, I think is more. More fits for, like, what New Orleans wants There's a lot of talk about Jalen Milroe early second, and now he's invited to the, to the draft. And that adds some intrigue. Tyler Schuck is a name that keep hearing, talking to people in the league, really would like to get him in the second round, but maybe you never know. If there's that one team that trades up, I'm fascinated to see because if Cleveland passes on quarterback, which we all expect at 2, and the Giants pass on, on Shador at 3, and take Abdul Carter now you've got Cleveland at 33, Giants at 34, the Saints at 40, all kind of sitting there waiting, trying to figure out, when do you have to move up. I'm told that Shador is a favorite of Mike Tomlins and the Pittsburgh Steelers. So it's kind of that range of all right, if they don't go in the top nine, then where do you have to trade up to go get that guy? Or do you sit back and wait? So all the conversations I'm having are about like, is there, you know, Atlanta at 15 only has five picks. Minnesota at 24 only has four picks in the entire draft. Could they be teams that move out? And for a team that's coming up, so that's fascinating, like from our perspective, to sit back and kind of watch and wait and see if Shador doesn't go three, this draft is going to be a lot of fun on the first night.
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Todd McShay
The. The GMs that you talk to during this time of the year that are super bummed are the GMs that are picking after the Pittsburgh Steelers at the bottom of round one. Because the conversation is like, gosh, I'd love to get the heck out of here. But the teams that are coming back up for a quarterback have identified Pittsburgh as a potential landing spot for quarterbacks. So if I'm picking behind Pittsburgh, I'm screwed. Because if they want to trade back up for a quarterback, they got to get to 20, and that's Denver. So it's 20 or north if you're going to bypass those guys at the top. And that's just the overall feeling. Ryan, on this, you know, on the quarterback class and on the draft, I would say, you know, to kind of put a bow on this little thing like Cam Ward's in his own category. Done lock, number one, viewed as a first round pick in most drafts, like, he's that caliber of a player. However you stack him with previous drafts, like he's still. He's viewed as a first round guy. I would say there's not universal acceptance of the rest of these quarterbacks as first round guys. And I'm telling you, there's a big difference. I've been, I joined two organizations after drafts where they had two first round picks and I joined Baltimore after they took Bowler. Right. So Kyle Bowler ends up being a monumental bust. But it took Terrell Suggs before they took Bowler. So Suggs was the first person to speak at that press conference. That worked out all right. Cleveland takes Brady Quinn. But before they took Brady Quinn, who didn't work out, they took Joe Thomas, hall of Famer. So to me like that there's a difference between introducing Abdul Carter and then asking Jackson Dart to come speak and that that's a different level of pressure on that kid and on your organization. Then, you know, we just took Shador Sanders with the third pick.
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Ryan Rosillo
Is Campbell a reach in the four or five range tackle from lsu?
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Todd McShay
Historically, yes, probably. And this draft, not for me. I mean, I think he's like 9th, 9th or 8th, 9th, 10th player. I don't have it right in front of me right now, but it's such a screaming need for New England and what they're playing with right now. And I think he's going to be, at worst, at worst, he's going to be 8, 10 year starter somewhere along your offensive line. You know, if he has to kick in, he has to kick in. But on that one, I think the work ethic, intangibles, everything you hear out of LSU is worthy of that pick. The tape probably is not, but in this draft, that's, that's what we have.
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Daniel Jeremiah
You know what's interesting, DJ is, and you know, it's the last thing anyone wants to talk about when I talk to teams and this offensive line group is more so than in most years. There's, there's question marks, right. And whether it's age and immaturity or a past incident or whatever it is, let's just throw a blanket over. There are a handful of guys that we're talking about in the first round range with these offensive tackles that it's like, yeah, but you know, there's a little concern. And so the cleanest of the guys, I would say absolutely is Campbell. Campbell's one of the cleanest prospects in the entire draft. And then I would say Kelvin Banks Jr. Whose tape wasn't great either. That Georgia tape you can pull up and there's a couple other games where it doesn't match up, but there's 42 starts and the good lord Only makes so many people that, that are that big that can move like that, that have a little pop in their hand. So. So I think you're going to see whether It's Campbell at 4, Banks Jr. From Texas going at like, I don't know, 10 or 11. Chicago, San Francisco. I think those guys will come off the board earlier than maybe the tape says, because history tells us. I think it's like 5.7 tackles go in the first round the last three years, and it's like 1.3 or 1.7 in the second round. Like, if you don't get that guy in the first round, there's a drought after that. And so I think teams are looking at it. And the Patriots specifically trying to get some leadership in that offensive line room with their star quarterback, trying to develop him and Drake May that like, all right, we, maybe we don't get a superstar here, but, but we're going to sleep really well Thursday night going into Friday, the draft, knowing that we got a guy that's going to be ready to play and is going to bring a lot of leadership to this organization.
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Ryan Rosillo
We've seen Genti basically everywhere in the top 10. And the more you dig into the guys that do this, like yourselves and everybody else, it's just like, look, this guy is so special. Like, it's not just that he's the best running back in this class. We're talking about ranking him against the number one running backs and other, other drafts. And so that feels. I don't know if it's a philosophical shift away from where we've been with running backs for a long time in this league, which I've totally understood and I've talked about it, but do you either. And Todd, I guess I'll start with you on this one. Is there any philosophical shift that you've had about position, about evaluation, about the way you, you talk about fit versus need and coaching? Is there anything is. You know, you've been doing this, both of you guys a really long time, but I'm sure you evolve also as evaluators and something that you think of now that you didn't think of years ago.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I, I kind of. There's a couple ways to look at it. First of all, talent always trumps trends, if you will. And 2017, we're in the midst of everyone spreading things out and pass happy offenses and the college game kind of trickling up with more tempo and all these different things. And the running back position being devalued yet, like Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey went in the top 10, and 30 running backs were drafted that year. So it starts with the talent. And this is one of the most talented groups I don't know about DJ but that I've ever evaluated from top to bottom, especially when you get past, like, the genties and the Omarion Hamptons and you look and you're like, wait, I can get that guy in the third round. I can get an RJ Harvey or DJ Giddens or Dylan Sampson, like the third, fourth round. So I think that's the jumping off point. I do think in a league where everyone's complaining about all these two high shells and you have to, you know, you're taking away some of these great quarterbacks in the deep ball and all that stuff, there's a counter to it. And a lot of people, not everybody, but a lot of people complained when Detroit took Jameer Gibbs that high in the first round. Not a premium position. Running backs being devalued. What are they doing? Well, Brad Holmes, the general manager, kind of. He knew his personnel, knew his. His offensive coordinator and Ben Johnson, and knew they needed to have a counter to what was going on in. In terms of defensive coverages and the schemes that were being played against his offensive attack. So I think Jinty, no matter where we are in the NFL, is a top 10 pick. No matter what era it is, no matter how, what emphasis it is on the passing game or run, he's a top 10 pick. I do think last year, watching, you know, Saquon and watching Derrick Henry and watching some of the impact of the running game and knowing what's going on defensively, we saw an emphasis, more of an emphasis on the running back position. I think this year it'll play out in the draft. There's going to be a lot of backs that go in the first three rounds.
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Todd McShay
Yeah, it's a good running back group with him specifically. I've always had kind of this philosophy on running backs. We've talked about it. I think, Ryan, we maybe had this conversation earlier this year about, like, the Detroit thing. What Todd was just mentioning what Jameer Gibbs. And I think, to me, the importance is the order of operation. Like, I've just kind of used the analogy of like, hey, you got to do your shopping at the hardware store before you go to the toy store. Like, Detroit built up the line of scrimmage. They had the offensive line, they had the key positions. They had the edge rusher on the defensive side of the ball. All the marquee guys all the marquee spots filled. Okay. Now you can drop the running back in and do it with a high resource. And I have no problem with that whatsoever. When you get in trouble is if you get the cart before the horse. Knowing these running backs only have, you know, most of them, six, like a six year, seven year max prime. And you've wasted three years on bad teams of those carries. Like I want all of your carries to matter once I start the clock on the running back. So that's kind of been my philosophy there. But Genti as a player, he's my third player in this draft and people and I've talked to teams and kind of said like, this kind of sums up this draft. It's a little different than years past. Three of my top seven players are two tight ends and a running back. Like that's.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah.
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Todd McShay
So at some point in time it's like I get positional value. I would love to throw a bunch of tackles up there and a bunch of proven edge rushers and quarterbacks and stack those guys up at premium positions. They're not in this draft. And I think like you make big mistakes when you pass on a great player at a lesser position that takes somebody just to fill a need. Like, I think that's when you mess up, man.
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Daniel Jeremiah
DJ I went back and looked last year, right? And I think this is a big difference in the two drafts, 2024 and 2025. I don't have the exact numbers in front of me, but I think it was 9% of the first round were non premium position players. We talk about premium, obviously quarterback, pass rusher, cornerbacks that cover the wide receivers and the wide receivers have become and offensive tackles. So all the non like interior offensive line, linebacker, safety, tight ends, it was 91% of the first round was premium positions and then only 17% in the second round was the non premium positions. And then you got to the third round where everyone's comfortable taking those guys. 54% were the non premium position. This year is going to be different, man. We get two guards, Zabel and Booker, who are going to probably go in the first round. We've got the two tight ends, maybe three with Mason Taylor at the very end. Coming out of lsu, we've got running backs, you know, like, so it's going to be really interesting this year how teams are going to kind of have to throw that premium picks on premium positions out the window because you just, you got to chase the talent.
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Todd McShay
I've used the term for this real quick, Ryan. It's just as a starter's draft, not a stars draft. So you're literally, your goal was to leave this draft with three or four starters, like solid starters. You do that like you did a good job. That's the goal.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I really like that. I was listening to you and buck on, on your move the sticks pod and kind of just going, look, let's, let's figure out some ways that guys can contribute, you know, long term here instead of trying to hit home runs on some of this stuff. So is there a position where you're looking at it, Todd, and you're thinking, okay, if you have a need at this spot, like you better get your work done by this pick. Is there a position where the gap from like the fourth guy to the fifth guy is just massive and it's going to be teams regretting that they didn't get it done in the mid second round?
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Daniel Jeremiah
I, I think offensive tackle, we kind of covered that. Right. I think there's a drop off when you get past the first five or so. Okay. And that's, and that's typical. What's interesting this year is like the edge class. We could have a record setting number of, of defensive linemen, interior and edge go in the first three rounds. I think 26. I went back 30 years. 26 is the most we've had in a given class. I've got over 30 graded with, with grades in the top three rounds. So you would think, well, you know, we don't have to get our edge guy early. We can get it. But there's a big difference to me and the interior is a little deeper and I don't feel like the drop off is as massive. There's six guys that are, that are edge defenders that are probably going to go in the first round and if one one doesn't, it might have to do with some, some character and some baggage type of stuff. But we're talking about Abdul Carter, the two Georgia guys, right? Jalen Walker and Mikel Williams, Mike Green, James Pierce and Donovan Ezraku. I think that's all of them. But there's six guys that you feel really good about in the first round. And I know dj, we've talked about this before. You kind of, when you go through this process, it's kind of this combo pick thing. Every general manager I've talked to, it's the combo package. Okay, so if we take an edge here and we need a running back, what's the running back that's going to be available? Well, maybe it's Quinch on Judkins or Trebion Henderson around 2. But if I go running back here with Genty and I still need to get an edge in round two, I get Genty. That's wonderful. But now we're talking about like Nick Scorton from Texas A and M or you know, or Braden Swinson later in the first. So later in the second. So there's a big drop off and I think a lot of teams right now as they're putting together their boards and trying to kind of plan for the weekend is if all right, if we go with this non premium position player in the first round, even though we have the grade that matches up, what's the drop off at the other position that we're looking to attack?
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Todd McShay
Yeah, I think it's a great point. I do think this is like the edge group man that is there. It's not cake and eat it too with this group, man. Like it is the most traits versus production edge group that I've ever seen. Like and you will talk. I literally get off the phone with one defensive coordinator, turn around, talk to another GM or head coach and it's like they see it completely opposite these guys. So that club of six guys, which. Those are the names, like those are going to go in all different orders and then. But there, there are some teams who are more that prefer like the rugged edge guy that like scoring. They're scorting teams and then they see the upside with, with T from. From Ohio State like those early second round. Some teams think that and I like those guys. Again, it's got to be the right defense, the right scheme, the right fit, that those guys have a place. But to me like the. I don't know how else to answer the question than to say like if, if you don't get on the, if you don't go to the first concert on the tackle tour. There is no second concert. Yeah, it's it man. Like they're gone. And that's why if, if I'm going over my list and you said tell me the one guy where you have him, where he's going to go much higher than you have him at greater as a player. Kelvin Banks is going to go way ahead of where I have him. Like I have him in late 20s and if he, he could go in the top 10 when it's all said and done. So I didn't think, I didn't think I saw a top 10 player on tape. Todd, you referenced the, the size, the athleticism. He's A great kid. He's played a lot of ball. So he's. I've just accepted that fact, you know, and I went back and watched a little more and I'll move him up a little bit, maybe into the early 20s, but I couldn't, you know, just for me. And that's the weird part, right? When you're doing this without a team to draft for and you're stacking these guys. Like it's going to look different this year because some of these teams you're going to see, you're going to see a need based approach this year, maybe more so than any I can remember.
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Ryan Rosillo
What separates, like the edge guy, where you go, this is why he's a first round grade as opposed to just insane production. And then you have fourth round grades on him. Because I think as a college football fan there's a lot of dudes on Saturday I was like, oh, this guy's making plays left, right? And you know, this is where I've used some of the NBA stuff, like Walt Crane Jr. With Florida in the NCAA tournament to win the national championship. He has this great SEC tournament run. He has unbelievable shot making in the NCAA tournament. And at most of the year when I would look at it, which again was, was late, so I shouldn't say it was the entire year, it's like, oh, this guy's not even a first rounder. And like, I understand because, because it's not premier athleticism. He's older as a prospect. Like there's just things that you use against somebody who yet is staring you right in the face on television going, how are there this many players ahead of him so specific to the edge group? Like, what's the difference between a first and a fourth rounder? Especially if the fourth rounder was like contributing to winning plays all season long.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I, I've compiled a lot of notes over the years talking to offensive tackles about pass rushers and the thing that they all typically say is like, I don't care if you run a four three off the edge. If you don't have power, then I can Prepare for that 4:3 and the vice versa. If you're all power, but you don't threaten me with speed, then I'll just bow up and I'll get in a good solid stance and I'll be ready for the bull rush. It's the guys that can do both and threaten with both the speed, quickness and power. The speed and quickness is one aspect of the game and then the power being the other. The Other thing is, and I go back like Bill Belichick, one of the first things I learned in scouting, he said, I had a dinner with him and Gary Horton and Scott Pioli, study the tape that's applicable. And I think anytime. It doesn't take a super scout or a genius to figure out, like, all right, there's five games where he's going up against offensive tackles, maybe it's two, but whatever that number is, find those games and see how much he threatened and how many problems, what kind of havoc he wreaked against those players. Because it doesn't matter what he does against, you know, subpar guys that aren't going to play in the league. Focus on those games. That's going to give you the answer to the test. And when you watch these guys and whether, you know, Mike Green, there's not a lot of applicable tape. You know, it's not. It doesn't. Because he's playing at Marshall and. Yeah, Ohio State and, and everyone says, well, the sim. Well, he went up against Josh Simmons twice in that game. He had two matchups against him. So you got to find. And I think that's why it was so important at the Senior bowl what he did in a couple of days of practice. So it stands out when you, when you start to stack and watch tape after tape of all of these guys, what the difference is, and typically it's the ability to, to win both ways.
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Ryan Rosillo
Is that the Vernon Golston, like, counter because he had the tape.
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Daniel Jeremiah
There was, there was. I mean, we could have a 10 minute discussion on Vernon Golson and all that, but I remember the draft.
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Todd McShay
Vernon Golson would have to do a three point turn to get in your kitchen behind you. Yes, he was a little stiff. Yes, there you go.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right. But wasn't it the tape against Michigan that got him drafted that high where they were looking at? It was Jake Long, right.
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Todd McShay
Gosh, was that that year? That's a long time ago, man. Yeah, it's going in my way.
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Ryan Rosillo
I think I just remember. Well, one, I remember because Todd would come by the studio and he would just be exasperated. He'd be like, I just don't see it. I just don't see it. So I'm giving you credit for that one. And then that one dude, every time they would show his highlight tape, it was. I think he made two plays against Jake and that was pretty much it. And you.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
So anyway, three years ago, there's a.
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Todd McShay
Lot, there's a lot more to go off of now too. And there's so much easier ways to sort stuff too, where you can jam video. Whereas a lot of times back in those days we're watching especially like if you're an area guy going in there, you're watching three, four games and moving on to the next school. Like now you can watch literally in a very convenient, efficient manner every single pass rush of his, you know, going back years and just knock it all out. You get a. I think it's easier to scout now than it was back.
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Daniel Jeremiah
So much easier. It's so much easier.
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Todd McShay
A thousand percent on the, on the pass rusher thing, which I love the topic. A couple different things. I was thinking of why, why Todd was talking there. I was at a Padre game last week and you guys know I'm a huge Padre fan. So I go up there and I visit with AJ Prowler who's done an unbelievable job, you know, building baseball teams. And we love talking about scouting. And so I just said, I said, you know, we're talking about pass rushers. I was talking with the defensive line coach the other day and I said, well, you know what, would you rather have a wide repertoire or would you rather have a guy who can just be a dominant in one aspect or another, like he could his legit power, legit speed or what have you. And he said, look, in college, like you see a lot of guys who are real, real technicians and they can win five different ways against crappy college tackles, but they don't have one elite way of getting to the quarterback. And in the NFL the only way to a quarterback is to possess an elite trait. Whether that's with your speed, whether that's with your power. The guys that are technicians can get there, but it takes more time because they're going to have to accumulate the knowledge base and learning different tackles, learning tendencies, and then they can kind of think their way to the quarterback. But that's. Those guys don't transition, right? Liatu Latu last year was the polished pass rusher out of ucla. Did not have an immediate impact. Look at what Trey Hendrickson has become. And he's developed a lot of these things, but he was kind of a technician. Now he's kind of learned other ways to get there. And it was probably year three or four when he started to explode. So I'm talking to him about pitchers and I go, I go, AJ like how would you guys look at pitchers? Would you have a pitcher like a five pitch mix? You know, he said, no, give me Randy Johnson fastball slider. That's. That's all that you need the guy.
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Ryan Rosillo
Go.
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Todd McShay
There's a bunch of guys like that who are dominating players with two pitches. So some of these college guys, I think they play the game the way they have to play it to beat.
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Daniel Jeremiah
College tackle like Donovan Azaraku.
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Todd McShay
That's the point. That's the one. So he's got to develop. He's got to shrink his arsenal, and he's got to develop some power, which he hasn't shown yet. And I think he will. But I think to me, like, I like him, but I'll say, when he gets picked, hey, be patient. Don't expect that this is going to light the world on fire. You know, year one, year two, this is going to be a little bit of a process for him. I'm going to bet on him. I like his length. He's. I like kind of compact guys with long arms, and I think he's really freaking smart. And he figured out how to beat college tackles. It's going to take him a minute to kind of shrink the arsenal and figure out how to beat NFL tackles.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I guess. I. I keep thinking about Swenson at lsu, and I know he's been around forever and that statistically, this past year was off the charts, but he was probably one of the most consistent edge guys I saw in. You know, now people are calling it the second best conference in college football, but, you know, he's just not in that group. I mean, he's. He's outside. It's not like he's going in the fourth round, but maybe it's. Maybe it's the speed part of it, because he certainly has that. So I. I just always like thinking about edge guys that you fall in love with on Saturday. And then we get to this time of the year and you're like, wait, where the hell's that guy going?
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Daniel Jeremiah
Right?
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Ryan Rosillo
You know, by the way, real quick.
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Todd McShay
Todd, how much have you enjoyed? I've enjoyed the heck out of realignment, man. Like, getting a chance to see, like, the west coast, like USC and ucla, Washington, Oregon, get to play against all the Big Ten offense and defensive linemen. Like, it's made that a heck of a lot easier.
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Daniel Jeremiah
It has, it has. I do feel bad for our buddies who are area scouts, though. Like, just talking to them, like, yeah, man, I. I used to go into Ole Miss, and it's not. This is more nil and transfer portal and all, you know, and so. And honestly, that part makes it easier, too, because we're like, what? You know, they wind up transferring if you're a great player, like 90% of the guys who are great players at small school level. And obviously it's. It's kind of hard because every year you want to find those small school guys, but there's not many of them anymore because they're all playing against. They all graduated. They graduated. Football graduation, the highest level. But these poor scouts, man. Like, I was talking to one, he was like, yeah, I used to go into Ole Miss and It was like 12, 14 players I'd have to do in the summer and get ready, know, do all. And it's not just watching, it's the background checks and it's, you know, figuring out who they are as per, like the person and all that. And he's like, this year I had 30. Yeah, it's just like not sustained. It's insane. The number of players that each school has that you've got to evaluate.
- [28:01]
Todd McShay
But yeah, that's a, That's a sitcom, by the way, is inside. Like, you can. I can just picture it. I obviously haven't been in there, but I can just picture it. No one scouts as you do that. You're gonna sit in there and like, guy's gonna read his report, he's gonna have a first round grade on him. And Ryan, he's go, hold on, is that the Smith that was in my area? That kid? That's the guy that you like. I didn't even realize he was at that school.
- [28:21]
Ryan Rosillo
The rare vote for realignment, which we have not done a lot on this pod. Okay, let's stay with this though, because look, I think Harold Fanning Jr. Is a really good example of this tight end from Bowling Green. I remember, for whatever reason, I think it was because of the new offensive system at Penn State. Like early on I was like, I want to see what Aller looks like. And then all of a sudden you're just watching Fanon, who. It just felt like a dude. I mean, he had 11 for 137 in that game. And it was. Bowling Green would drop back. The quarterback was tough as hell too. And then it was like, just get it to fan. And fan is just like trying to beat dudes off of him the entire time. So you have tape going up against one of the better teams in college football this year. Is there. Is there a position where it's like, okay, this is. This is tough for me to figure out or justify, like, your tape's really good in your league and at your level, but I don't have enough crossover for you going up against better tackles or whatever, or can you just look at somebody like Fanon and be like, the Penn State tape is enough? I imagine it's different for different positions.
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Todd McShay
He had another one against A and M too. So that, that like, helped his cause when he was running away from everybody on Texas A and M field. You're like, okay, like this guy, that's, that's enough for me. But to your question and Todd, I'll kick it to you, but like, it's just line of scrimmage to me. Like, it's hard to evaluate a tackle who's going up against an accountant and a doctor. Like, it's just, it's hard. So that, that to me, the line of scrimmage is tougher. The skill guys, and especially if you can get them in an all star setting and you know that's, that can be the, the answer to the test.
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Daniel Jeremiah
The, like the Senior bowl is, is the great equalizer for a lot of these guys, though I honestly, I don't know that a lot of guys would have been drafted as high and I don't know that people would have had, would have understood that, oh, they're capable and that's why it's so important. Like the East, West, Shrine Game, the Senior Bowl. Look at like the offensive linemen are the toughest, right? Because like, they're just not going up against the dudes that someone from Michigan or, or, or Texas or Georgia or out, you know, like, they're just not going up against those dudes. And, and like Kelvin Banks. It was like Murderer's Row.
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Todd McShay
Yeah, his tape.
- [30:30]
Daniel Jeremiah
Every week it was a new like first or second round defensive lineman. So, so you get a really good feel for these guys. But I will say this. Like, we've seen a lot of guys go through Mobile Alabama, right? Like Tron Armstead, Ali Marpette, Cody Mock, Dylan Ray Dunes, Quinn Quinn Minors, like, and this year, and this year with, with Gray Zable, it gives you a confidence that, okay, all those guys have gone on to have good careers. It was small school, but they, they, they handled their business in Mobile in that setting. And the same with, with Zabel. But yeah, those are the toughest evaluation the guys in the trenches.
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Ryan Rosillo
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Daniel Jeremiah
Okay, let's.
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Ryan Rosillo
Play a little war room fallers. So you know the drill. I'm going to give you a team. I'm going to give you the pick, and then I'm going to give you.
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Todd McShay
This is America's favorite game, by the way.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Oh, yeah.
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Todd McShay
All right.
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Ryan Rosillo
So Cleveland's always good for this stuff, right?
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Todd McShay
That's fantastic.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if this is my best year, but maybe we'll do it again. You know, you guys are like, actually, we're really busy, so this is all the time you're getting so done. Yeah, make it good now. Okay. Cleveland, 33rd pick. They went with Carter in the first round and Shador's gone. Milroe, Jackson and Shuck are all available. So just talk it out in the war room, guys.
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Todd McShay
Yeah, Todd, I'm, I think I'm going to take my swing with Jackson dart here. I just think his, his, I think his physicality matches a division there. I like the fact that he's rugged. I like the fact he keeps getting better and better. Shock. The age doesn't bother me as much as the, as the durability bothers me. So, and I know I, by the way, your take on I, my least favorite thing that people say during this time of year, oh, there are a bunch of freak injuries. You know, just, they don't, they don't count. They're just freak injuries. So those don't count towards your durability. Your, your thoughts.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I like Tyler Schuck a lot. I, I, if, if there's any. And yes, they're the three broken bones. And so you can, you can chalk that up however you want. Some guys are more, more prone to having those kinds of injuries. But if you're, if you're banging the table for him, you're saying they're broken bones. It's not like you know, some chronic like Achilles or you know, something that's, that's typically going to be degenerative. Right. When I talk to teams though, the thing with him and the maturity, what he's been through, all that is the biggest question is I don't mind that he's 25 and I love the maturity. I love all those things and I see the tools because he's bigger than all these other guys. He's faster on a straight line than all these other guys. He's, you know, he's got his arm stacks up all those things. It's one, one year of starting. So now I'm getting a 25 year old who's only had one full year starting in college. Where do I in the NFL get him more game reps. And we're seeing all these guys come in the league like bo nix with 60 plus starts. Jaden Daniels with like 56 starts. Like guys who are having success early on we've seen in recent years are taking advantage of the transfer portal and the extra years in college. So. But to answer your question, I'm going with Jackson Dart here and I think Jackson Darth, I really like him. His versus pressure clip real 160. Oh my gosh. There's a lot to like with him. It might take a minute but I, but I got a minute with him if I'm, if I'm one of these teams.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay. Kansas City, the 31st pick had some fallers here. I think this is the Tyler Booker range, perhaps Tetaroa McMillan still available. And Omari and Hampton.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I'm going to go Omari and Hampton. I'll jump in on this one. DJ I do. It's interesting talking to teams like as good as Hampton is there, there's a, there's a gap. So I do think, I don't know that it will be although I just talked to a team recently, they said that they, they wouldn't say they expected it, but it wouldn't be surprising if Hampton was still there. Start start of the second night of the draft. So. But I just think the Chiefs could use that an explosive running back. Someone who's a difference maker in the backfield with Mahomes. Honestly I could see a running back in the first two or three picks for the Chiefs this year. I think interior defensive line is a spot that they've got to address. Offensive line, obviously they want to bolster and bring in competition and depth, but I could see Running back in the first one of their first three picks this year.
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Todd McShay
Yeah, I mean, I just go purely at that point in the draft, if there's not a tackle that I'm intrigued in, then I know they went out and got attack on free agency. Like, I'm buying all the tackles if I'm Kansas City because I've lost two Super Bowls because we stunk at those positions. So I'm just stacking up as much depth and as possible there at the tackle position. But faced with these three options, Hampton's my 13th overall player, so you're talking about a ridiculous value here. And you know, with the offensive line does have issues. What does he give you? He gives you easy completions, too, out of the backfield. And he's a complete back.
- [38:51]
Daniel Jeremiah
He.
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Todd McShay
He's not bad in pass protection. Like, that's. There's. There's a lot of value he provides other than just carrying the ball, which he's really good at.
- [38:58]
Ryan Rosillo
Booker, I. I don't know where you guys have, like, where do you have him right now? Because I know you.
- [39:02]
Todd McShay
He's my twentieth guy. He's my twentieth guy.
- [39:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Todd.
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Daniel Jeremiah
26.
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Ryan Rosillo
26. Okay. I think the, the argument against Booker, at least here, is if there's one thing that you do really like with Kansas City, it's the interior guys, and they've invested so much of the interior guys. So then what do you doing? Even if you're kind of like, man, we love Booker's tape and he's like one of the cleanest prospects here, it would also. I guess I'm a little surprised that I didn't hear more push for Tetoa if that just becomes an evaluation of, like, overall guys here. Because I know, like, let's do this exercise because you've both done it. Give me the argument for McMillan and the argument against, especially if he's there a little bit later, because there's again, the mock. I don't know how much I want to let that influence me. I mean, there's certain people I trust. Other guys, I'm like, who the hell is this? Not that there were. Isn't good, but if I don't know him, you know, you can see tet as high as like, fourth overall pick. And you're like, okay, well, it doesn't. It seems like momentum wise, that's not where he is. Even if, again, he was probably one of my favorite players to watch in college football this year. So give me the in the room argument, the pros and cons for him.
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Daniel Jeremiah
There's a lot of arguments right now going, going on about Ted McMillan and I. I think he could go as high as 12 to Dallas. I think that that's probably the jumping off point. There's a lot more frustration with him. The pros are very obvious, right? It's the length, the height, you know, 6, 4, 2, 19, acrobatic, catches balls in the air. I think people want him to become the big time playmaker on the outside in that big time X. Right. And Drake London is the comp that a lot of people want to give out. I thought Drake London was a little bit more of a dog though, coming out. I thought that he more aggressive, more just attention to detail. Wasn't a great route runner. Took him about a year, but now he's a thousand plus receiving yard receiver for the Falcons. So I look at the frustration that talking to people in the league and I see it on tape. It's not finishing routes, it's lack of attention to detail, not doing the little things. When Jed Fish was there, by all accounts, it was kind of foot on throat. We're going to be there and consistently work. And this past year with a frustrating quarterback with a different program, it was not the same guy in the building, in practice and those sorts of things. So that's the kind of the back and forth that's going on in draft rooms with Tet.
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Todd McShay
Yeah, I'll give you the two different things in the meeting room. I'm pretty sure that this conversation has taken place in different meeting rooms in the pro and the comm. So here's the, here's the pro one. Gosh, he's big, he's smooth, he's rangy, he's got an unbelievable catch radius. I mean, you can see it from his volleyball background. Then the other room, it's. Yeah, everything he does, he doesn't have any urgency, doesn't attack the ball. You mean he's a volleyball player? I mean like that's, that's literally the two conversations which are almost identical, but viewed through a different lens.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, no, I love, I love that. That's a really good example of this. Okay, let's, let's have a little bit more Fun here. Cincinnati, 17th pick in the first round. We've had some fallers. I don't know what's going on, maybe McShay said on a tweet, but Tyler Warren's still on the board, Will Johnson still on the board, and Mikel Williams still on the board for Cincinnati at 17. I don't know how it happened either. But, you know, draft is a mystery.
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Todd McShay
I think we're going to play a lot of 13 personnel if I'm getting that. I know they've got tight ends, but I just can't pass on that dude, man. And he's just like, I. There's guys who are built for divisions. Like, that guy was put on planet earth to play in the AFC North. Like, I'll take him every day of the week.
- [42:46]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. I can't disagree. Yeah, you'd love to get an edge there and. But, like, it's just, he's. He's one of the best five football players in this draft. He's a difference maker. That entire offense ran through a tight end, and that's rare to see at that high of a level. And quite honestly, like, I, you know, if he gets past seven, I'll be surprised.
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Ryan Rosillo
Or.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. With the New York jets. And then I'd be really surprised if he got past 10. And so, so if he's there, like, you don't even. You don't even think about it. You don't look at your position, needs or anything else. You just. You walk that card in.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I mean, there's plenty of political jokes I can make about a tweet going in either direction, but I'm just not going to do that to Tyler Warren. So let's leave alone. All right, let's get a little dangerous here. Last one. Atlanta has been offered New Orleans. Ninth pick and a future first for Michael Penix. New Orleans is like, look, we had the highest grade on him. You guys nailed it. You have this weird Kirk Cousins thing. We'll give you ninth, maybe even give you a second, but we're going to give you a future first. So now Atlanta is on the board at nine. Shador is available. Jaylon Walker's available. And let's say home, Home state. Will Campbell still available.
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Todd McShay
I just fell off the truck when you said that. They just traded panic. So, like, I don't know that I heard anything after that. Ryan, I think that one.
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Daniel Jeremiah
And why does it matter matter that Shador's on the board now?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Wait a minute. And I kind of screwed up.
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Daniel Jeremiah
No, it does. No, no, it does because you're saying it.
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Ryan Rosillo
Shador's on the board, but Will Campbell now, it doesn't. He's on the board, but again, he'd be going to Atlanta here, not New Orleans. So I, I misspoke. I made that one up on the fly.
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Todd McShay
I think usually when you laugh before you tell us the story that that's usually not going to end great. It's not going to end great.
- [44:38]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Because I was going to do something where I was going to say, like, all right, and then this guy tweeted January 6th wasn't that bad. And so now he's available at the beginning of the second round. And then you're like, I don't. I don't know what to do now. Yeah. But I didn't want to.
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Todd McShay
I do. I do enjoy your last minute revelation. Scenarios like. Like, it's you just trying to get, like, the Tunsil 2.0. Like, what's going to be the. The shock value that could change the entire draft.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, the Tunsil one. The Tunsil one is still. That doesn't get enough credit for how absolutely insane that was, because then if you're in the war room, you're kind of like, hey, we love this guy. We love the grade. And, like, maybe he smoked a ton of weed. We don't really care.
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Todd McShay
That's some of the weirdest. That's some of the weirdest television I've ever done, I can tell you that much.
- [45:27]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, that was awkward, man.
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Todd McShay
I've never seen that thing before. Yeah.
- [45:36]
Daniel Jeremiah
But I can't remember a moment that I wanted to, like, be so far away from. I just wanted, like, don't. Please don't come to me on this.
- [45:43]
Todd McShay
Like, I just. We were live. I couldn't get away from it. We were live trying to digest what was going on. And we had the tweet with the video, but we didn't. I don't think we had access to show it. So it's like, I think Rich Eisen was like, a video has emerged and, like, trying to describe what's going on. And I'm like, I think this guy's my number one or number two player of the entire draft. And I'm like, like, do you take him? I'm like, what's in that thing? I don't even know what was in that thing.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right, so I guess I. I kind of. Well, I know. I mean, it's pretty straightforward. So now Atlanta just got rid of their first round quarterback from last year because it was just like, look, the value coming in even. We, like, Bennett, we're the ones who took him after we gave Kirk this big contract. So now we maybe play it out with Kirk. Shador is available. Will Campbell's available. And I said, walk out of Georgia.
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Daniel Jeremiah
So you're. You're just going to double down on this thing, huh? You're not walking Away.
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Todd McShay
You literally gave him the get out of jail free car.
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Ryan Rosillo
Just because this wasn't as straightforward as the other ones doesn't mean, you know, you guys.
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Daniel Jeremiah
So I'm in Atlanta and I just gave away Pennix who showed some, some promise last year. Who. Absolutely.
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Todd McShay
Who would be the first or second pick in this draft? I think in my opinion.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah. To get a player in Shador that we're talking about could, if he doesn't go to the Giants at 3, fall to 21. Who are the options again? So I get Shador at 9. I'm Atlanta and I just made an epically bad decision. Did you? Yes.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay. All right. I like Pennix too. I don't know that anybody likes Pennix as much as Chris Collinsworth did that Sunday night.
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Todd McShay
Who's it against? Washington.
- [47:26]
Ryan Rosillo
That was like, I, you know, when you really like a player and then.
- [47:31]
Daniel Jeremiah
And then it makes you not want to not like him.
- [47:36]
Ryan Rosillo
That Brock, I was like, my God. Now granted, look, there's some, some nice throws in there, man. I mean, we, we all know why. We, those of us that liked him coming out was like, I don't, you know, I, I just get sick of even when I do it, so I can't get mad at anybody else for doing it. But whenever we're talking about the quarterbacks, he's like, man, that guy throws the best ball. You're like, cool, cool.
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Daniel Jeremiah
And meanwhile, Atlanta has, I think, five picks in the entire draft. So now we're down to like probably two picks in this entire draft to move up to get Shador.
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Todd McShay
No, they're getting picks.
- [48:08]
Ryan Rosillo
They're getting picks.
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Todd McShay
They're getting.
- [48:10]
Ryan Rosillo
That's the whole point.
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Todd McShay
Yeah, you know what?
- [48:12]
Daniel Jeremiah
They're getting picks.
- [48:12]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm gonna write this one up.
- [48:14]
Daniel Jeremiah
You lost me at Penn.
- [48:15]
Ryan Rosillo
You did.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I'm with you, D.J. you lost me at Penn.
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Todd McShay
The best part about this whole thing is I cannot wait for the aggregators to somehow confuse this and say McShay is, is reporting that the Falcons are trading Michael.
- [48:26]
Daniel Jeremiah
Right. And they're going, they're moving up for Shador.
- [48:29]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, Right. But just to cover for the aggregators here, you're not. Give me, give me a name with a team in the first round. Todd, you go first. Give me the be like, hey. Of all the stuff. Because it's just there's always that guy every year. It's like, it's just everyone is saying this guy is going here.
- [48:52]
Daniel Jeremiah
Everyone is saying. And correct me if I'm wrong, DJ but everyone I've talked to everywhere I. Look, it's. It's Ashton Jinty to the Raiders at six, right?
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Todd McShay
Yeah, no, I've heard that a bunch, and a lot of it's with. You bring in an older quarterback, you bring in an older coach, and, you know, they're trying to win this next year. This is not a team that's, you know, they want to turn this thing around, and that's a. You know, it's a big piece for them. So I've heard that. The other one, I would say, is the Houston Texans. It's going to be the law firm at Booker or Banks. Like, they're. They're drafting an offensive lineman between those two guys.
- [49:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Whoever's there, give me a name. Dj. The NFL in three years is going to regret this guy did not go in the first round.
- [49:33]
Todd McShay
Gosh. Well, we'll see how high this guy goes. Because I jumped on this bandwagon at the. At the. At the jump. But to me, when I looked at Jedi Baron, I, like, he said he started. I was like, my ninth player. I think he's like my 11th or 12th player out of Texas. And you say, okay, well, then, yeah, obviously he's going to go in the first round. But, like, dude, I thought Branch would go in the first round. I thought Cooper De Jean would go in the first round. And the league somehow punished these guys for being inside players, you know, or, you know, moving to safety is going to be a nickel. Like, what's the. Like, they're freaking great players, man. Just take them. So, like, that would be the one where I think, yeah, I'd be an upset if he didn't go in the first round, but I feel like I've seen this episode before where I've seen a player of this caliber in this role slide when he shouldn't have.
- [50:15]
Daniel Jeremiah
I'll give you a couple pass catchers that I. I completely understand why they won't, but I could see we look back at the end of their rookie year or after their second year and are like, man, maybe. Maybe they should have. Maybe they should have gone in the first. And I think Mason Taylor at the tight end position has a chance to go late first. You know, the Eagles, in their situation with Goddard, I think that's a possibility. I could. He's just so safe, and I think there's more in his game than. Than what we even saw. Yeah. Yeah, so. But Elijah Arroyo, he's had the injuries and the production was never great. And they passed. They spread the ball around in Miami with Cam Moore this past year. But my goodness, he has traits where I could look. I could see us after a year or two being like, how did 6, 4 plus 251 pounds running the way he does, the explosiveness, he's just become a weapon in the NFL. And another like I love a lot of slot guys or smaller guys this year. Jalen Noel from Iowa State. His route running is like a thing of beauty. There should be like music played to when you're sitting watching tape. Just like the crispness, the leverage, the stems, the in and out of breaks, competitiveness. He ran a 43 9. I think it was at the combine in addition to so and I'm not saying he's lad McConkey, but I think, you know, lad wound up going late in the first. I think Knowles is going to probably be later, like mid to late second and could, I mean talking to teams maybe could be there early third. But. But I think those two players are going to wind up wherever they get drafted. They have a really good chance to outplay their draft slot.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'm glad you brought up Baron, D.J. just because we had Bruce Feldman on who does a really cool version of the mock just because he talks to so many coaches. Right? So you're getting the college coaches and putting together. It's not like it's 32 different names, but Baron one SEC coach is saying, quote, his ability to adjust triggers, elite footwork, really clean, excellent open field tackle. I thought this guy was the best player on that team. Talking about Baron because you're right. And again, I don't want to, I don't want to be dismissive of the mock world, but Baron, it's almost like some guys I've seen that are legitimate places as if they've completely forgotten about him. So yeah, you know, and then I, I think there's some of the guys that maybe I trust a little bit more that still have, you know, interesting.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Too like everyone kind of ignored. You get to this time of year and I think college coaches are. It's all about recruiting, right? My guy's the best and here's. Let me tell you a story about him in practice. And I get that because you as a young player, high school kid, you want to see that your coach is going to promote you and help your journey, if you will, to the NFL. But when you get to talk to some coaches, off mic if you will, and to hear who were the problems. I remember Dable that clip with the Giants in their war room talking about Nick Saban. I talked to Nick and he used to work for Nick Saban and the two guys that were problems, Jaden Daniels, Brock Bowers, we didn't have answers for those guys. Like I'm just tell. I got, I don't know what your board is. I don't know what you're considering, but if you want to ask me who are the two problems that we had, it was Bowers and Daniels. And so I find that stuff fascinating too because if a coach is willing to actually talk about like the game plan and how difficult it was to prepare for some of these guys, there's. There's some good information there.
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Todd McShay
Yeah, this, this also is the time of year, like you said, Todd, were like the, the graphic that's already been made by your social media department about the number of first round picks you have at your school was in jeopardy because the guy's dropping. And you hear from the head coach if like, I don't understand why he's not going in there. I'm like, I don't pick. I'm not picking here, coach. I got no power here whatsoever.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that's why when I was looking at Michigan again and I was going over it, you know, just getting ready for it and like they could have four guys go in the top 15, 16 picks here and you're like, if they had one guy to throw a forward pass this season. Yeah, you know, because you're just not going to have that kind of run of talent where the half the first round is coming from one program. I know, look, clearly there's other programs that put a ton of first rounders in in the same exact year, but that stood out considering their problems on offense. All right, last question then here. And it actually has to do with college football. It's the Nico Yamaliava saga here where if you don't know the full timeline, big nil deal to get him to Tennessee from California. I would say this first year probably was disappointing based on the hype. I feel like I watched him a lot, kept waiting for that breakout game. So you want to get back to the hey throws a really nice ball evaluation. It's like, okay, what about the rest of the stuff then? Apparently it was reported that Dan Lanning had heard that he was sniffing around for more money and that he told Tennessee that Tennessee's now said, all right, fine, go go somewhere else. So now he's looking for a new home. There's also another story that was reported that maybe some of the Tennessee guys were asking for more money ahead of the playoffs. So let me set it up this way because there's two parts that I want to get your thoughts on. I know that I've evolved in the way that I look at certain things with college football, the money part never bothered me, and I'm glad that they're making money. I think there was a time when I believe that you should have to sit out a year because it would be chaotic. And now I look at it and going, it is chaotic, maybe more than anybody expect, but I don't have any issues with any of this stuff anymore. So when I look at the Nico story, you know, there every. It feels like this is just a free for all and everybody's, you know, again, looking out for yourself. So I can't necessarily have a problem with that. But then this kind of mercenary approach where it's like, man, even mercenaries have like some sort of code. So Nico's taking a ton of heat. If he played better, he would be criticized less. But there's probably, you know, one, it's a, a state of college football question that you guys can take it wherever you want to go to, but then also what kind of evaluation element. And we're still talking about a younger player here, but, you know, he's draft eligible in a couple years. How this will be looked at. Now, granted, if he just plays a lot better than he did this past year, maybe people get past it. They blame the dad and all that kind of stuff. But Daniel, let's go with you first.
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Todd McShay
Yeah, first of all, it's a system issue more than the player issue. Like, just, just set it up where these guys are locked in with contracts. Like, you get the money, but you have to commit to us as we're committing to you. Like, however, I don't know all the, the legalities of that, but figure out a formula and a system where we can have it just like we have it at the professional level, because this is professional football. Now. The second thing is, and I posted something about this, and it wasn't necessarily specifically about Nico. I don't know any of these guys situations. I, I don't. And I'm always reluctant to be lobbing grenades from the sideline with partial information. I just know. I, I know of stories during this era, Todd, where I know where a prospect has told the nil agent, do not let it get out how much money I'm making, because my family's going to come for all of it. And that's aunts and uncles and parents and nephew. Everybody is going after that. So I'm always reluctant when they're like. And people said like, oh, $2 million isn't enough. And I'm like, look, I don't know this kid from Adam, but in Southern California, $2 million and you got a bunch of aunts and uncles and cousins and parents that you would have to prop up. That money's gone. So I don't begrudge anybody for trying to go get more money. I don't know what situation they're in. To me, the system is what the heck's got to be fixed.
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Daniel Jeremiah
It absolutely is the system. And there's a lot to, I mean we literally could do an hour on this, right? And I think we're in a unique position because the background checks, the information we get from scouts and personnel departments and former FBI agents and everything that they do to get all this information and more so this year than ever, I'm getting stories about like this guy, he made $4 million over his course of his career or 2 million or 6 million or whatever it is. And he' to be broke when he gets to the league. And, and it's the people he's surrounding himself with. And, and now that group of people kind of always and, and whether it's like, you know, the, the agent and the like the agent's runner, all the stuff that we started to hear about like they're going into their rookie year, we're now hearing about it coming out of high school. Okay. And we're hearing more, more stories. Like recently I was just talking to a GM and he was saying like, yeah, and we're just more like, he made all this money, dad spends half of it at the casinos. We got, you know, he's got 10 people in his circle and they've all got their hands. So like, big picture, I think we, I think all the rational people can agree on a couple things. One is it is a massive multi billion dollar industry and these individuals are putting their, their livelihoods. It seems extreme, but they're putting a lot on the line and they deserve to be paid. Okay. Second part is the, the system, there needs to be a governing body. And I like, I point to Nick Saban and maybe it's not Nick, but it's got to be someone who actually just cares about college football. Not about the politics of it, not just about putting a system in place where, where the assistant coaches are going to get so run down guys from college football. We're talking to like, you know, Jeff Halfley recently when he left Boston College, like, I just want to coach ball again. Like, everyone's having to do so many things that are not related to football. So there's got to be some kind of cba. There's got to be some kind of salary cap. I also think this, and I know I'll take heat for this, there's got to be some kind of system set in place where there's a trust set up. Because I know when I was 18, 19, 20, 21, if you gave me all that money and then all. And if I had a group of people that was trying to get that money from me and I was trying live this certain life, all of a sudden that money probably would have been gone. And I would have appreciated it if I was able to access that money later and it was protected. So I don't know that all those things will happen. But I'd like to see steps with the right people in place, steps moving forward towards something that caps it, makes it reasonable. Players still get paid a lot of money because they deserve it, but they're able to hold on to that, and that money means something to them. And when they get into their 20s and in their 30s, and life has much bigger decisions and there's some longevity to that money, and it's not just in the moment. Mom and dad have their hands out, uncles and aunts and cousins and friends and all, like, it's. The reports I'm getting from these background checks is scary, and it's. It's heading in a direction that no one wants to see it go.
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Ryan Rosillo
Good stuff on that. You know how much I appreciate the hour I can get with you guys in a really busy part of this season. I'll tell you, the real winner today is McShase. His posture. You looking at his shoulders. Jeremiah, look at.
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Todd McShay
What do we got here? He just looks widened out, like, broadened up.
- [60:49]
Daniel Jeremiah
Because I get excited. I get excited. So I'm like, you know, hey, look.
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Todd McShay
I mean, I got a video game chair, so I look like a 14 year old here. But they. They sent me this thing from the. From the network and ergonomics, like, yeah, it's got like the lower back thing that it feels like it literally is shoving me out of my office. Like, it's just like pushing my lower lumbar.
- [61:09]
Daniel Jeremiah
Trying to get you back in studio.
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Todd McShay
Yeah. I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. This is. This is supposed to be comfortable, right? Like, is that these kids play video games in this thing all day long. I'm dying over here.
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Ryan Rosillo
I love it, though. Never stop evaluating. I Know you guys still have some work to do. We're looking forward to Jeremiah's coverage on NFL Network live from Green Bay for the entire draft and move the sticks. So subscribe with he and Bucky Brooks and check out that pod. And I know McShay. He's got the McShay show going, what, three, four, five days a week? I mean, you're just firing out. You're like new guy, right? Dj.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Dj, you ready for this?
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Todd McShay
Yes, sir.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I called, I. I texted Rosillo and basically like, you know, the, the old town, the town, right? When it's like, we're gonna hurt somebody, we're gonna go do something, right? And. And the response was whose car are we taking?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yes.
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Todd McShay
Yes.
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Daniel Jeremiah
I basically played that out on text. We're taking over Brisillo's pad on. On Saturday. We're gonna. We're gonna do a live stream Saturday, the draft. We had to find something different and fun. So we're gonna go eat his food, drink his. Drink his drinks. Storm is house. I'm gonna.
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Ryan Rosillo
How many hours is it again?
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Daniel Jeremiah
Don't worry about it.
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Ryan Rosillo
I am worried about it.
- [62:17]
Daniel Jeremiah
You already said yes. And I'm trying to get him to run. I'm trying to get him to run a 40 yard. It's not an hour. So just hunker down, big boy. I'll have you done and ready for the NBA playoffs that night. I know that's all you care about, but I want him to get. I want to get him to run a 40 yard dash. We haven't talked about that part yet.
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Todd McShay
On the sand.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Well, I want him to have a good time. So maybe I think you go on.
- [62:39]
Todd McShay
The sand because that eliminates any pressure for him to chase the time and get hurt then.
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Daniel Jeremiah
That's true.
- [62:43]
Todd McShay
So that's.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, look, I'll just tell you, going.
- [62:46]
Daniel Jeremiah
A sand adjusted 40 times. Yes, exactly.
- [62:49]
Ryan Rosillo
I think we have a squat rack. So I can bench for you maybe depending on the day, but if I do triceps two days ahead of that, then I'm not going to give you my best bench numbers. But when you guys said that I wouldn't run a sub 6 where I think Eisenhower, that's kind of his range.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah, no, I said a sub five.
- [63:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, sub five. Because when you said sub six, I'm like, you guys can.
- [63:09]
Daniel Jeremiah
No, sub.
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Todd McShay
Yeah, sub five. I would agree with that.
- [63:12]
Daniel Jeremiah
Sub five.
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
- [63:13]
Daniel Jeremiah
I think like a five one. At this point in our life, an.
- [63:18]
Todd McShay
Injury free five one is a W.
- [63:20]
Ryan Rosillo
It's a W. You know what's great for your body.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Five. Five in the sand.
- [63:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Sprinting after not sprinting. Because we did this once at Van Pell where it was just kind of a funny revelation. It was like, when's the last time you ran as fast as you possibly could? And when you get past a certain age, you're kind of like, yeah, when would that have been? When's the last time? I was like, I'm just going to run as fast as I possibly can.
- [63:44]
Daniel Jeremiah
I would be scared to death to run as fast as I could for 40 years.
- [63:48]
Todd McShay
Dude. I did. I did a. I did a 5k. This is like maybe like 5 years ago down. It was like a flat course down in Coronado island. If you know, San Diego. Like, literally, I'm like, this will be. I just want to run the fastest 5k that I can, man. And so they. They have a photographer, and it was the most depressing thing I've ever seen where I thought that I was, like, my athletic young self and, like, striding it out and finishing in a full sprint. The picture that they sent me is the most unathletic, most in pain, miserable human being you've ever seen in your life. And I was like, yeah, I don't need to be sprinting anymore. This is not good. What I think is happening and what is really happening are two totally different things.
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Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. But now some people are listening to this right now and be like, why would these guys be judging other athletes? And it's like, because they understand regression, right? They understand foot speed. They understand just getting his foot in the ground and then turning out of it. So I'm glad. I'm glad we had this time with you guys, despite where you're at right now, athletically, despite where we all are. Thanks again to Todd and Daniel. Jeremiah, we'll talk to you soon.
- [64:47]
Todd McShay
See you, dude.
- [64:48]
Daniel Jeremiah
See you, bud.
- [64:51]
Ryan Rosillo
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Todd McShay
You want details? Fine.
- [65:19]
Daniel Jeremiah
I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.
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Ryan Rosillo
What's up?
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Ceruti
I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.
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Todd McShay
I have every toy you can possibly imagine.
- [65:29]
Daniel Jeremiah
And Best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required.
- [65:36]
Ryan Rosillo
Life advice. The email address. Life Advice, rrmail.com We have, you know, just. We're plug and play right now. Kyle is off. He said he would do life advice, but at the same time, like, I don't think out of the gate with him being off, we should be asking him to work again. Wargon's always lingering, but we do have Ceruti with us post kid number two. So how many days in are we talking?
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Ceruti
She's a week today. Sleep has been, you know, not awesome. Probably worse for my wife than me, but, you know, it's. It's kind of funny because a bunch of people said this and it's just true. To live. It is like, the second one, you're just. You just worry about so much less shit. You know, it's like. It's kind of like more chill, like you got another kid, but also like, I'm just not worried about the same stuff I was worried about with the first one. You're like, yeah, it'll probably be fine. This is fine. Like, we don't have to worry about it. Like, we didn't have anything. She came about a month early. We didn't have really anything ready. We didn't have a name when we first went to the hospital. So we're feeling good right now. Now we. We have a name, so that's good.
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Ryan Rosillo
I do like that, though. The. The kid number two. I mean, you get to kid number five. Like, the kids driving a car, smoking cigarettes by eight, and you're like, just.
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Ceruti
Let them live, raising the other kids. Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, it is. It is incredible. If you're from a bigger family, just the standard of. Of concern about. About things at least. I don't know. That's been my experience, seeing stuff. All right, Wargon, I think the. Hey, guys, alert. I think we just bring them in. Why wait? Right?
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Ceruti
Let's do it.
- [67:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Are you ready for this war gun?
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Wargon
Hey, guys. Yeah, I'm always ready. Always standing by.
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Ryan Rosillo
He's always. He's always ready. Are you a Raiders fan?
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Wargon
I am a Raiders fan, unfortunately. Yeah. It's been tough.
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Ceruti
Aston. Genty, here we come.
- [67:26]
Wargon
Yeah, I don't know if I like the Genty pick, but neither here nor there.
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Ceruti
It's a very Raiders pick.
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Wargon
Yeah, it totally is.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, yeah, but what about, like, Brady and you got Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll, like, you know, guys, Chip was there.
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Todd McShay
Chip. Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
See if we can get him on. Yeah, all right, let's see here. I think we start out of the gates with the different one. I mean, this is so strange, but I could also see myself doing this, but then also not doing this. I'm a little worried. It may not be real, but it is so specific that we're going to go with it.
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Ceruti
Let's give it a shot.
- [68:07]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. All right. Did I help a guy out with an act of kindness or I did I do something weird? 62205 mid-30s basketball comp is P hit Sam Young with all the pump fake and none of the athleticism. Sam Young was an old soul but incredible pump fake. I'm a day removed from doing something in the spur of the moment I thought was an awesome gesture for a fellow guy. But after telling my wife and having her call me weird, I'm starting to question myself. I was grabbing food to go inside at raising canes, shout out to Grace front of the program. He was grabbing raisin canes for dinner as I was walking or waiting for my food. Excuse me. As I was waiting for my food, I noticed a guy in his mid-20s, let's call him Greg. Greg is moving to Staten island, sitting at a table nearby. He's a bit rough looking and by himself before an employee sits down and begins going through what sounds like a job interview. I can tell Greg is a bit nervous with the way he's stumbling through his words as they exchange basic information. At this point, my food was ready and after grabbing it and making my way to the exit, I decided to help help Greg out. As I passed the table, I leaned in and said, sorry for interrupting, but I just wanted to say this is one of the best guys I know. Greg's face immediately betrayed the fact that we had never met. But the interviewer's attention was on me, so I don't believe he noticed. The interview, gave me a slight smile and nod and as I said, I'll let you get back to it, and left. What? This is crazy. I left feeling excited that I might have just helped Greg land a job. I got home and gave my wife the rundown. She did not share my enthusiasm. Amongst many other negative reasons, she said I could have put Greg in an awkward spot having to lie about how he knows me. She also brought up that I have no idea about Greg's background. It could have fully endorsed a criminal as a great guy. Well, I think she's assuming a lot that Greg, damn Greg just seems shy. You don't know that. Now I'm questioning myself. Yeah, Did I actually make Greg's situation worse? Did I betray the trust of a restaurant I regularly go to? If this were a lower end fast food place, would I even be thinking about it? I love the standard of Raising Canes is so high that he's like, you know, you don't want to mess with their employee screening. Did I? So, yeah, right. We're not going to name other names. Like Danny Cannell did about a sponsor, I guess. Yeah. Just trashing the French Fries. One of our biggest sponsors. Like, what do you guys like those fries? They're trash. Those are trash fries. Like, thanks.
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Ceruti
Thanks, Danny.
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Ryan Rosillo
Coming. Coming up next on the Fill in the Blank hotline. I guess the gist is the gist. I guess the gist is this. Was this cool to do? Or should I file it away and not entertain it yet?
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Ceruti
You know, Feels like one of those things that you.
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Ryan Rosillo
You're.
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Ceruti
You. You screwed up once. I don't think you need to do it again. Here's the thing. You didn't ruin this guy's life. He didn't ruin the Raising Kane situation. But I don't. I don't know that this helps or hurts. It just kind of makes you look a little bit weird. I didn't really think about the putting him on the spot to have to explain who you are and. But I think if the guy just says, hey, I have no idea who that person is, so they probably just move on and nothing really matters. I don't think in the grand scheme of things, you screwed anything up, really. But now you're gonna have to go back into that Raising Canes because you said you're kind of a regular and, like, what if that guy recognizes you and he's working there? I mean, I guess you'll find out eventually whether or not it worked out or not. Maybe you. Cohen, next time. He's like, hey, man, appreciate. Really appreciate the, you know, the boost there. I ended up getting the gig. Or maybe he's like, what the hell was that? I don't want to work with this guy. So I. I don't think there's any real harm here. But you're. You're kind of a weirdo by doing this. I'm gonna be honest.
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Ryan Rosillo
Honest.
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Wargon
I just think this is weird. Like, what. What are you gaining from this if you're this guy? Something similar kind of happened to me with my ringer interview where I got on with the guy and he was like, I'll make this short because, like, we know each other so well. Like, I'm Going to recommend you for this job, blah, blah, blah. And I finished the call and I was like, I've never met that guy before in my life.
- [72:12]
Ryan Rosillo
But was it with me job?
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Wargon
It might have been you. Yeah. With our ESPN time together.
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
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Wargon
So that worked out really well.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Wargon
I'll tell you, after you got in.
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Ceruti
And it was like, hey, I know you're great, blah, blah, blah. And you.
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Wargon
He's like, we worked together for so long. Yeah, exactly. I must just have like one of those faces.
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Ceruti
Got the letter of recommendation from Priscilla apparently, Right?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I thought we worked together at ESPN and that's how you got into ringer. So now I'm wondering, did I interview you? Does the person still work here?
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Wargon
They don't.
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Todd McShay
No.
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Ryan Rosillo
That's why you're comfortable telling us the story.
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Ceruti
Right.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, then you didn't correct the interviewer.
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Daniel Jeremiah
No.
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Wargon
Why would I?
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Ceruti
You don't. No. You wouldn't. Yeah.
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Wargon
You just like laugh along.
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
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Ceruti
Yeah. I don't know you.
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Ryan Rosillo
Do you think you deserve this job?
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Wargon
I was already working part time here. This was just for like the full time position. So you be the judge.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's fair.
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Ceruti
He's put the work in. I think it's worked out all right. Right.
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Ryan Rosillo
He's so likable, Wargon, that people are like, look, we've been through the mill together.
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Ceruti
People want to know him. You know, people want to be associated with Wargon. I get it.
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Ryan Rosillo
I know he's so freaked out by this. He swore. Which doesn't happen a lot. I kind of like our emailer. I don't know what there is about this, but it is weird. And you're right, because Greg then has to say to the guy, if the interviewer raising canes is saying, hey, like, what the hell was that? Like, how do you know that guy? And then is he gonna lie? Yeah, I know. From the country club. Is he going to just go, I have no idea who that is. But then that weirdly connects the interviewer and interviewee where they have a shared moment specific to them of like, yeah, that was really strange. And then it's an icebreaker. So maybe our emailer helped out Greg in an indirect way. And even though his wife probably made a lot of good points, I think it's really funny. It tells me more about your personality that you came home to tell her to be like, guess what I did today? But she's married over here.
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Ceruti
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. My guess is you do some stuff like this. You probably talk to strangers in general a little bit. But like in the friendliest way possible. And your wife already knows what she signed up for, so she can't be entirely shocked about this. There's one part of this that I don't know that you need to worry about. If Greg works there, doesn't work there. If Greg works there at raising canes, it doesn't work out. I imagine the turnover is a little bit quicker in the food service industry. I imagine you're still going to be able to get your chicken fingers from this day moving forward. Yeah.
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Wargon
Your picture's not up on the wall like do not serve. That's not happening.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right. Of all the places where you could go, like, I think raising canes, it's still going to work out for you long term. So I wouldn't have any anxiety about going back there and getting your chicken fingers after this move, because I think they're still going to give you the chicken.
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Ceruti
I think that's fair.
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Ryan Rosillo
I think it is, too. All right, let's see. All right, we'll keep it simple here. Love triangle and a cat. 21 years old. 62190. No gym stats, player comp. Sam Perkins, also a DJ. Sam Perkins. I have no idea if this emailer is a dj. Longtime listener, first time emailer. Sorry for the long email, but here we go. It's actually not that long. The people that write really long ones never apologize for how long.
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Ceruti
They are just self awareness.
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Ryan Rosillo
No, there is a study. I'm not going to do it, but there's something there about how often the person that apologizes for the length of the email, it's always the shortest one. And the people that write in books never apologize. I don't know if it's narcissism. I don't know what it is. Is it? Okay, sorry for the long email, but here we go. My fiance is in her last year of college. College graduates in December. It has. Oh, okay. We needed a comma in there.
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Ceruti
Skinner grad degree. That's. Yeah. All right.
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Ryan Rosillo
No, my fiance is in her last year of college. Pause.
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Ceruti
Oh, graduates.
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Ryan Rosillo
Graduates in December. Yeah. Because I thought we were talking grad school. So there.
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Ceruti
You have grad engagement.
- [76:40]
Todd McShay
Yeah.
- [76:41]
Ceruti
Okay. Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Wow. Yeah, There we go. Two roommates, one of which is closer than the other. We will call her Olivia. That's a nice name. Great job.
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Ceruti
It's a popular one. Trust me. I got a lot of. A lot of name knowledge these days.
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Ryan Rosillo
Oh, yeah?
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Ceruti
Yeah. You know, because you want to pick. You know, we want to pick kind of a unique name, but not one that Everybody uses. And Olivia, I feel like it's been like in the top three for 10 straight.
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Wargon
Were you guys like checking stats?
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Ceruti
Oh, yeah, I was on the baby name stuff, like, you know, looking around and Sophia is another popular one. I think Emmy, Emma, something like that is in there. There's a couple that are just always in the top five, but Olivia has been one for a long time.
- [77:24]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm not thrilled with what this generation has done with the names just aside.
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Ceruti
What do you mean?
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Ryan Rosillo
And look, my name, my parents decided to just make it different. So. And for whatever reason, people think I have to explain it on a day to day basis. So just a warning to some of you more creative namers out there, you know, there's a line, there's a line of what your son or daughter is going to deal with, filling out paperwork or doing something over the phone or whatever. It just, you know, do you want to give them a name or. Every day of their lives they're gonna have to explain it. It's worth asking yourself that question when you're going through the process of naming somebody. But there's some names where I'm like, you're, you're, you're starting to name kids after like inanimate objects and stuff because you're showing how weird and you know, like, I know you used, you used to go to Coachella, but now it's kind of played out. You don't go now.
- [78:17]
Daniel Jeremiah
Yeah.
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Ceruti
What if your kid doesn't like Coachella, you know?
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Ryan Rosillo
No, I'm just think there's going to be some names 20 years from now where you're going to be some parents going. Could have been a little more traditional. Well, it's kind of a younger audience.
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Ceruti
It's swung back though, to traditional now. Like the grandma names are kind of back in, you know, Genevieve and Margaret.
- [78:40]
Wargon
Eleanor's body.
- [78:41]
Ceruti
Eleanor, Eloise.
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Ryan Rosillo
Dot is not back. Dottie.
- [78:44]
Ceruti
Well, I don't, you know, I don't know. I don't know, Dottie. I don't know any Dotties, but give it 10 years, you know, you never know. I was thinking about the other day. I've never, I haven't met a baby named Steve. I couldn't tell you the last time it was a Steve. I think Steve's out just hanging out.
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Ryan Rosillo
With a lot of babies.
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Ceruti
Steve's anymore? Well, no, but I don't, I don't know that they're like a bunch of Steves in the. Well, that's not true because now, you know, I might bring my daughter to Daycare. There's no baby. Steve's. None done, bro.
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Ryan Rosillo
Mike. That's Mike. That's. I imagine the Mike run is over. That was a long run you guys had.
- [79:17]
Wargon
Yeah.
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Ceruti
But I feel like Mike. Michael is still in. Ryan's definitely still in. Not your Ryan, but, you know, the greater Ryan, the greater Ryan.
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Ryan Rosillo
What does that mean?
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Ceruti
Not. Not with the E. You know, the E is, you know, I. What I don't understand is, like, we want to name our kids something, but we're just going to, like, throw in more vowels. Not a different vowel. But there's a lot of X's.
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Wargon
There's a lot of, like, eighs where there doesn't have to be.
- [79:43]
Ceruti
Saxon's a perfect example. Jackson with an X. Like, what? What? That's strange. Or like Amy with two E's, you know, or just throwing. Just throwing unnecessary vowels in there so we know what the name is. Why do you have to spell it this way? So I, you know, I don't know.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Look, every now and then I'll be watching something going, were they creative or. Or do they not know how to spell well, but I know that I can say that. I can say that.
- [80:08]
Ceruti
You can.
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Ryan Rosillo
You're part of the group. Yep. I'm allowed to have a moment where I go, did you guys just make up that name? I don't know what's going on there. All right, let's get back to the email anyway. Yep.
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Ceruti
Let's talking names, which.
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't want to say this. Yeah, I don't want to say this. Oh, do you want to share it or no? Yeah.
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Ceruti
We call her name's Hallie. H, A, L, L, I, E. Hallie.
- [80:33]
Ryan Rosillo
That works.
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Todd McShay
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
We're gone. What would you name your son?
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Wargon
I haven't thought about it all. Not Mike.
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't want to say this to you because your name's Mike, but I always felt like a lot of parents are just like, I was just throwing Mike on it.
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Wargon
I was named after Michael Jordan. They just won that three. Pete. I was born on the 23rd, so my dad figured, why not?
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Ceruti
That's kind of sick. You're not a Bulls fan, though.
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Wargon
Not a Bulls fan?
- [80:59]
Daniel Jeremiah
No.
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Ceruti
Okay.
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Wargon
But they were gonna name me Michael Jordan, but then Michael Jordan Wargon. My dad was like, I don't think he can live up to it. So they name me Michael Jared Jesus. True story.
- [81:15]
Ceruti
Wait, you're dead?
- [81:17]
Wargon
Yeah. He literally thought that. He's like, don't think he can live up to.
- [81:19]
Ceruti
He's like, no, I Don't think these kids got it. It can't do it.
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Wargon
Jordan was pretty good, man. I don't know.
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Ryan Rosillo
Dude. That's incredible. I can't believe you were named after Michael Jordan.
- [81:38]
Ceruti
Damn, dude.
- [81:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Willie Mays died. All right, let's get back. Let's get back to this. All right, so fiance said the last year graduate studies in December as to remain one of which she is closer with than the other. We will call her Olivia. I did not live with them, and their lease on their apartment ends in May. So they want to get a new place to last them the rest of the school year after summer break because me and my fiance are getting married soon, probably this summer. That means I would have to go in on a house apartment with them there. There's only one problem. There's a stray cat that lives around the apartments and Olivia started to feed it food. This then became what I could imagine is his main source of food. So he started to hang around the door. Next thing you know, she started letting the cat inside. And at first it would just come in the walkway to eat the food out of Olivia's hand, but now she's letting it all over the place. The cat is all over the couches, kitchen, and even the rooms. And all Olivia said about it was, quote, I sprayed the couch with tick repellent. End quote. And now there's another stray cat that started coming into the apartment Olivia now wants to trap and keep. Trap is an interesting term, man. I think the cat is willing to be adopted in this scenario. Trap and keep one of them and take it with her to the new house apartment whenever we get in into one of the following months. My fiance is not on board with this and neither am I. What do we say without sounding too mean? Olivia is 100% on board with this and sees nothing wrong. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. She's currently playing with the couch, or excuse me, she's currently playing with the cat on the couch as I'm typing this. So we were getting a live, live look in.
- [83:11]
Ceruti
Sounds like you got a cat brother.
- [83:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Or a new roommate. Like, what's the hold up? You don't want the cat? Fiance doesn't want a cat. I guess for look, you're younger, rent purposes alone, you're going to be living with another person despite the fact that you're getting married. And I'm not judging because I don't know the finances, but you're already asking for, I think, extra trouble when you're going. We're getting married this summer. And we're going to have a roommate. Some people. It works. And then some people do this and they end up having, you know, some TV series about them and plenty of acreage outside. So I think with this, we could just call this a democracy and go, hey, cool cat collection. But it's two to one. End of discussion. Like, what's. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with a good old house vote?
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Ceruti
Yeah, it's not like you're completely abandoning the cat either. Just keep it outside. You can keep. Keep feeding it, but it just can't hang out on the couch with you guys. That seems a reason, like a reasonable. Again, this person's probably not reasonable if they're gonna put up a huge fight about it. And then maybe that just, you know, now you have more motivation to get out of your current situation and, you know, live solo or the duo with your wife. But, yeah, I. I think you just say, we don't want this. Could you get the landlord involved? Like, is there a way to just be, like, could you just make up something that, like, you can't have pets that you forgot about to put in the original contract? I don't know.
- [84:36]
Wargon
Say your little.
- [84:37]
Ceruti
I'm sure he's not excited about this cat either.
- [84:40]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I mean, this. Honestly, I don't even really know. Like, have some sack on this one. I mean, I'm sorry to be such a, you know, Neanderthal about it, but you're worried about a conversation with somebody that's going to be moving in in a new place with you and your wife this summer, and she's going to tell you how it's going to go with street cats.
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Wargon
Didn't you tease this email as a love triangle?
- [85:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, the love of cats.
- [85:11]
Wargon
Okay, okay. And then my other question is, it's.
- [85:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Am I being here?
- [85:15]
Wargon
How are you probably getting married in the summer? I feel like you either are or you aren't at this point.
- [85:20]
Ceruti
It's a good point.
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Ryan Rosillo
See? See which way the cat vote goes?
- [85:24]
Wargon
Yeah, Right.
- [85:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Two, one, and against him. And his wife betrays him and she's like, actually, I'm kind of into these. These cats that could have diseases, but we do have tick repellent, so don't worry about it. Get over it. So the vote goes against him. Next thing you know, engagement's off.
- [85:38]
Wargon
It's off.
- [85:40]
Ceruti
Yeah. I have a cat. I don't think I'm ever gonna get another cat. Just not.
- [85:47]
Wargon
Cats don't do it for me.
- [85:48]
Ceruti
No, they're just not. My wife wanted It. We got it as a present. You know, I guess it could be worse. I'd hate to take a shot at a guy that's not here. Could have five rabbits. That'd probably be worse. But the cat thing, the litter box.
- [86:01]
Ryan Rosillo
He wishes he had five.
- [86:04]
Ceruti
Yeah, it's growing. It just. I don't know. Not a cat guy.
- [86:14]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm not a stray cat guy with my wife and another roommate guy.
- [86:19]
Ceruti
So there's too many variables.
- [86:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Right, right. And our emailers should aspire to that. Reach the same point in life. So I don't you just get it. This is, this is a non starter man. This is a non starter.
- [86:33]
Ceruti
Put your foot down. Yeah, this is. This is. You put your big point pants on. Your, your, your groom pants on. Your married man pants on. Eventually, if you want to honestly, like you're tailored. Your wife. Yeah, your tailored pants. Exactly.
- [86:45]
Ryan Rosillo
You're.
- [86:45]
Ceruti
It sounds your wife's not into this. It sounds your future wife's not into this. So this seems like a total win for you to stand up and be like, like the hero in this situation. So that's what I would do.
- [86:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [86:56]
Ceruti
And then lock in that you're actually going to get married this summer.
- [87:00]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Lock that in. Who knows? Maybe she'll be like, let's move up the date. You handled the cat thing so well. All right, that'll do it for our show today. Thanks to Wargon, which. Unbelievable. I can't wait. Every day, every day with you, man. There's just a new angle and I love all of them. All right, so we will talk to you on Thursday. We'll do a ton of NBA stuff. I'll probably. I think we're going to save the ballot stuff because I got to do all my votes later today. I think it's just better if Bill and I go through it and save it for the Sunday thing, even though we'll have real playoff games. But there's probably, I think some value in just going back and forth with somebody else who also has a vote. So I got to do the ballot state and then I'll pick all the playoff series on Thursdays. So thanks to Serutti. Thanks to Oregon. Thinking of Kyle. Thanks to Jonathan Frius. We are a Spotify video podcast on the app. So subscribe to the pod super easy. Also subscribe to the YouTube page. Probably get something going there NBA related fairly soon. So thanks as always for listening. Ryan Rosilla Podcast Ringer Spotify.
- [87:58]
Wargon
Hey guys.
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Todd McShay
Foreign.
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Ryan Rosillo
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