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- [00:11]
Ryan Rosillo
A special edition of the Ryan Russell Podcast. My good friend Colin Cowherd at my house. Cameras rolling, just two dudes chopping it up. Bunch of different directions. We go with this one, so I hope you enjoy it. And an extended life advice with a couple follow up emails as well. So enjoy. This episode of the Ryan Rosilla podcast is presented by State Farm. Bring home a win with an affordable price. When you bundle home and auto with the personal price plan. Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can bundle and save with the personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts, and savings and eligibility vary by state. It's been a few years since we've done this. Colin Cowherd at my house, full camera crew. I've never done this before, so this is a big deal for all of us.
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Colin Cowherd
You guys put up a. So this is not a normal.
- [01:09]
Ryan Rosillo
No, like, I'm an adult now. I have a living room. I can't. I can't have this now. I'd say six years ago, I would have just left all this stuff here and be ready to go. Vince Vaughn wants to come by. Done. But now, you know, there's. There's accessories, aesthetics here, furniture. This is a highly furnished.
- [01:26]
Colin Cowherd
I couldn't tell you the last time I did a podcast outside of the volume. I don't like to do them anymore. But Ethan Strauss once a year, who's just such an eclectic, funny guy. I think he's just such a unique guy, and I don't see it. Yeah, well, you know, and then you.
- [01:43]
Ryan Rosillo
I like Ethan.
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Colin Cowherd
No, he's. He's a different. He sees the world differently. And you're the ultimate grinder. In fact, I think. Can I. Can I say this?
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Ryan Rosillo
Sure.
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Colin Cowherd
Okay.
- [01:52]
Ryan Rosillo
It sounds like it's going to be a compliment, so go ahead.
- [01:54]
Colin Cowherd
Well, yeah, you've established yourself. You don't need to watch the Washington Wizards on Tuesday night anymore. You need to go out to the 900, have a Pacifico and some rice and shrimp. Peel off. You work too hard. Nobody cares about the Wizards. You work too hard. You outwork general managers. I guarantee the next team playing the Wizards GM isn't watching the Wizards. You break down more film than Rob Pelinka.
- [02:27]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, well, look, I will tell you this because I actually did watch the Wizards Nuggets game last night. I know you did, because I missed it over the football weekend.
- [02:35]
Colin Cowherd
I saw two minutes of it And I thought, Russell's taking notes for this.
- [02:38]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, you had to. It was Jokic career high. It was fun to go back and watch it. It was also depressing if you're a Nuggets fan, to watch them defensively get eaten up by the Wizards. Although Jordan Poole made just ridiculous shots. Great third quarter, I'm going to say that. And this is, this is my. This is sort of a cowherd education, is that I think we all give advice that can be very like, complimentary or confirmation of how we've done it. And I remember the first time this dawned on me and you were talking about how Joe Buck, remember Joe Buck caused a shitstorm. Like, this is again, this is easily over 10 years ago. This is just. The herd is rocking. You still have the posters with the cattle and. Which I always kind of was like, that's a good. That's good branding. Joe Buck caught all sorts of heat because he was like, I know I'm the number one baseball guy, but, like, I'm not going to watch baseball every night. Right. You went on the air after he was catching on the seat, like as if he owed it. Right. It was his duty as the number one baseball voice nationally to be watching baseball constantly. Even though I still think he was doing. I don't know if he was doing local games or not then, but he's like, I'm not going to watch a Pirates game in my free time. And you were like, good, that's right. I want my guys to have balance. I want them to have perspective. He goes, when I go out to la, it's sushi and blow. Which I think you may have gotten in trouble for because again, Mickey Mouse was on all of our checks frowned upon. But then I remember listening and we weren't friends then yet. And I was like, well, of course he's agreeing with that because he doesn't want to have to watch all of these games either.
- [04:11]
Colin Cowherd
No, my perspective has always been. I used to have a therapist, Peter Lauderhaus. And he said one time, he said, we were talking about. I said, you know, sometimes I get stuff in my head. And he goes, well, it's only in your head if you allow it in your head. And I remember leaving, it was like an hour and a half, two hour meeting. It was beat you up, you know, you're like exhausted after it, you know. And I remember thinking, that's right. So why am I watching San Diego State, byu? Because if I have one lull, as I am just ad libbing through three hours I'll go to a game I watched. And so I became much more efficient that I watched what I was going to talk about, like Georgia, Texas, Penn State, Oregon. I wasn't gonna do SMU, Clemson. So I'll watch the YouTube highlights, which were awesome. Sean McDonough has always been underrated, but I watch what I'm going to talk about and my feeling is what makes Joe Buck so good and the great ones good is not just following the action. It's the funny references, it's the timing. And that doesn't come from watching games. That comes from going out, dating, having a wife, watching a crazy movie, listening to a podcast. The difference between the B plus guys in this industry and the A's are Al Michaels references that you feel like early Letterman, only I got that. And I think that's the difference between the really goods and the greats is the. It's timing, it's not voice. They all have a good voice. It's not knowledge, it's not the ability to follow the play is. I think if you go look at, if you go look at your career and Bill's career, Bill's cultural relevance, not just his basketball shit, everybody's talking basketball, but Bill's cultural references are the icing to a really good cake. And your life advice or your sense of humor or your admiration of me, frankly, it's the icing to a good cake.
- [06:15]
Ryan Rosillo
It took a while.
- [06:15]
Colin Cowherd
There's a lot of cake. There's not a lot of icing with cake.
- [06:19]
Ryan Rosillo
Are you saying I'd be a better. No, I'd be a better podcast host if I watch less games and had a wife.
- [06:25]
Colin Cowherd
What I'm saying is you have gotten buy in from the audience. Nobody thinks Rossillo doesn't do his homework. I'm worried about you as a human because you work harder than anybody. I have a guy in my staff that is you, Jason. Tim. And I've told Jason, weekend off, beautiful, beautiful girlfriend, fiance. They could be married now. Hey, you need to take a day off. You work really hard. So this is, this is a friend telling you. I mean it's like we all know Buster Olney's grinding it, right? That's a long season. Like I always had this theory about Twitter when it started. Remember when Twitter started, if somebody. Let's take a baseball writer because that is a grind. That's not even.
- [07:14]
Ryan Rosillo
It's the ultimate grind. Like I actually am offended on baseball writers behalf when the football media starts talking like August, like up time to say goodbye to the family and you're like, what are you talking about?
- [07:26]
Colin Cowherd
One game a week?
- [07:27]
Ryan Rosillo
What are you doing the rest of the days? Like, I know you're going to go down to the facility. Like, I'm not saying it's easy, but have you heard of this sport called baseball? They start tossing it around in February.
- [07:36]
Colin Cowherd
Count spring training right to the last game of the series. So baseball, when Twitter first started, this is hard to believe. If you were a baseball writer and you're around the batting cage and the GM of the Tigers comes over at the time, Dave Dombrowski, and gives you something and you write it down. Other baseball writers were offended if you didn't credit them because they had had that 12 minutes earlier. So my take was Verducci was the only smart one. I'm not following anybody. Jay Billis has done that. The idea that I would have to go to Twitter and go, okay, I've got a scoop. Let me follow 800 local scribes to make sure. And that used to be a big deal with Twitter. Now everybody gets it. Like, if Shams has it, Woj has it. You know, they all have it within minutes. But I guess what was my point here at the beginning is there is value, and Woj just illustrated it in extending your life. I told Bill this. When you get older, it's about quality of life. Bill has the chops. You have the chops. Sometimes I don't think you give yourself credit for having the chops. I'm not telling you this is a podcast host. I'm telling you this is a friend. You work really hard.
- [08:42]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay. A lot to go through there.
- [08:46]
Colin Cowherd
I'm sorry. People listen. I see Ryan once a year. Who do. What am I?
- [08:50]
Ryan Rosillo
That's not true. We just saw each other at the gym the other day. It was an unbelievable start to the conversation. You were like, street. You were like, what do we. Yeah, we're like, what are we doing today? And I was like, what are we doing today? I was like, I'm doing legs. Colin's like, we're doing legs.
- [09:03]
Colin Cowherd
Clearly, I've never done them.
- [09:05]
Ryan Rosillo
And then I was like, well, I'm using the squat rack. And you were like, I'll see you later. I think people that follow zero people, sort of a hardo move.
- [09:14]
Colin Cowherd
So do I. Yeah, I think trying too hard.
- [09:16]
Ryan Rosillo
The. I don't follow any.
- [09:17]
Colin Cowherd
I don't think Verducci is even on Twitter. So let me just say I don't even think he's on it.
- [09:21]
Ryan Rosillo
He may have been at some point.
- [09:23]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, Billis is. And I Don't think follows people doesn't.
- [09:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Mean I have a few friends that I think, but I think the zero. I'm not going to follow anybody. It's like, all right, cool. You're awesome. Number two, I think if you have, like, over 400,000 tweets, like, there should be an extra exam you have to take when you renew your license or something. You know? Like, I think that there's. I personally think you start getting north of, like, that many hundreds of thousands of tweets. It's like, none. I talk for a living. There's nothing. There's no possible way I could have that many opinions. Yeah, I appreciate you saying that, but I think we've covered this before. Like, my thing was very different. I didn't go to school for this. I didn't start in this. I was, you know, kind of a pretty lost kid for a while, generally disappointing. And. And even though I had finished school, I just was kind of, like, facing failure in a really, really scary way. And I think back to those times, and thank God I felt that way. Thank God I hated the way that I felt. Thank God that I hated the, like, dude, you are going to be the loser. You are going to be the loser of your friend group.
- [10:28]
Colin Cowherd
That never goes away, by the way.
- [10:29]
Ryan Rosillo
Right? But it was. It was happening so much later than it was. And, you know, one of the silliest things about comparing yourselves to your friends and everything, like, in your 20s, is the, like, hey, those guys are all going to reinvent themselves a million different times. But you don't know that when you're younger. And so once I had this chance, and I remember I was just somebody that was listening to sports talk radio, even though I didn't really want to be on the air, I wanted to work in a front office. I didn't care if I was going to be on the air.
- [10:53]
Colin Cowherd
You did? Yeah.
- [10:54]
Ryan Rosillo
I would listen because I was so into it, right? I was so into what I was watching because I was just a big fan. And honestly, I needed that escape. I needed the Red Sox every three hours because I was pretty miserable most of the time. That was a little escape for me, but I was so locked in. So then when I'd heard the morning guys on, say, local radio, where I could tell within two seconds that they went to bed early because they had to get. Get up, and I'd be like, it wasn't, you know, I'm in the truck going, it's not a 2:1 slider. Like, you know, like. And I'M realizing, like, you're. You're so locked in, and it's such a stupid, like, thing.
- [11:25]
Colin Cowherd
But that's. That's your. That it. I guess I. This is probably something I should say, but I'm just.
- [11:29]
Ryan Rosillo
I need to finish the point, though, because then I felt like if you were given the opportunity to get one of those jobs, then you owe it to the audience to be on top of everything. But then you get older and you realize, like, it was so cool. You're gonna. You're gonna know, like, oh, no. BYU actually turned it over a ton in those games. Like, in 2027, we look back on the season, it doesn't really matter. Look. And by the way, the bigger picture thing is, that was how I started. That's the ESPN stuff of feeling like I constantly was trying to prove myself in a way that I didn't feel like a lot of other people had to. So I was like, well, if I didn't play and I didn't do this and nobody thinks I'm good, then I have to just fucking know everything. And that's kind of like when I have a bad show, I just go back to the drawing board, and that's how I have to do it. And honestly, things have never been better for a bunch of different reasons than right now. But I appreciate your concern, by the way.
- [12:21]
Colin Cowherd
You're basically LeBron. When he. When he loses confidence in his jumper, he just goes to the rack, like, 12 straight times. That's LeBron.
- [12:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Bill's a lot like LeBron now, apparently. Did you hear about that one? Well, oh, we did the live show in Denver, and Simmons got up and started demonstrating some of the moves that LeBron does. And he was like, it reminds me of in my 40s and pick up hoops. And I was like, yeah. I was like, I don't know. But I think he knew. I think he kind of set me up for that one. That was an easy setup. Yeah. So I understand what you're saying, but I just also think that there's people out there that know the Wizards better than I do. And I was like, you know, I haven't.
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Colin Cowherd
And it pisses you off.
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Ryan Rosillo
I haven't watched a ton of Wizards lately. Again, Poole had a great third quarter. Let's start with something light, okay? Tougher. Rebuild the Raptors or the Democratic Party. You don't.
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Colin Cowherd
It's really interesting.
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Ryan Rosillo
Oh, wait, you want to answer this?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I do. You know what's interesting? So what? Here's what I do. I can't Wait, here's what I do. After every election, every four years, and I do it after the midterms. I go to the losing teams network because winners all act the same way.
- [13:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, I like this, actually. I can't believe I'm getting something out of this. All right, awesome.
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Colin Cowherd
So winners all act the same way. Overconfident, have all the answers. Condescending, snarky losers in sports and in politics grapple with the answers. And so it was infuriating as a guy who was socially left, fiscally moderate, right. To watch msnbc, blame misogyny. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote race. Obama had two terms, would have been three. I told a buddy, I said, they don't have bathrooms at msnbc, clearly, because nobody's looked in the mirror for two weeks. That was a good line, I thought.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Did you use that on the air?
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Colin Cowherd
No.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay.
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Colin Cowherd
Not that good.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right?
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Colin Cowherd
That was a.
- [14:11]
Ryan Rosillo
You're just doing this. You're just downloading this. All on my pod.
- [14:14]
Colin Cowherd
I'm giving you all the fresh A material.
- [14:16]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, good.
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Colin Cowherd
So my take was if a losing team can't decipher why they lost, they're in trouble. And James Carville since then, and Bill Maher simultaneously have said, guys, look within. You've lost regular people, fringe groups, weirdos, high maintenance, needy people, stop pandering and catering, connect with, like, Iowa. And so my take is the Democrats have always seen themselves as sort of more curious and more intellectual. And we own the colleges, right? And my take is. But the conservatives knew that podcasters now are Carson, Letterman and Leno. Podcasts now are the late night shows. And those dumb old Republicans figured it out. And the liberals were doing traditional media, which nobody trusts, and late night shows that nobody watches. And those dummies on the right went, let's go, like Theo Vaughan and Joe Rogan. And that's what all my friends listen to. And I'm 60. People listen to Russell. Or nobody comes up to me and says, hey, last night, Fallon crushed. Nobody watches it. And so my takeaway is, until the Democrats can figure out why did we lose? Which, to me, it's all connectivity. That's whoever wins. It's usually by the way, the pendulum goes back and forth midterms. There'll be movement in the Senate four years, you know, you know how it works. But my takeaway on all this is when you lose, you have to first figure out why. And I don't think the left is there yet.
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Ryan Rosillo
Wow, that was actually really, really good. I remember when you. And it may have been A strategic. The contract is up, right? Because when our contracts were up, espn.
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Colin Cowherd
What did I do?
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Ryan Rosillo
You were like, well, you know, some political networks have reached out and did I say that?
- [16:17]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I did. I interviewed with msnbc.
- [16:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Would you have wanted to do that?
- [16:23]
Colin Cowherd
That had to be Griffith and Charlie Dixon. And I was interested. So I interviewed with Jeff Zucker at cnn. I was very interested because Larry.
- [16:30]
Ryan Rosillo
No kidding?
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Larry King had. Larry King had moved off. And I told Jeff Tucker, Jeff Zucker and I had two meetings. The first one was great. Second one, I was out, out of ammo, like I told you my story. And I said, you can't do the interview anymore. There's like six people in the country for an now. This was pre podcasting, but I said, television. I mean, Larry King, how many people can you interview and get a number? I said, I broke down the show. I said I would do six minutes of sort of Bill Maher. I would do two or three really smart, funny people. And I would end with a couple of pieces of funny video. 40 minutes content, 20 AD. I'm out. I said this idea of an hour interview. You get down to Phyllis Diller at some point, you're out of people. And so I'm like, you just can't do it. And so, you know, anyway, so I interviewed with Zucker and I really thought, really, really bright guy, asked a ton of questions. I remember he was going through what happens when you. Off the side of your face you have. It's almost a stroke.
- [17:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Bell's palsy.
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Colin Cowherd
He had Bell's palsy at the time. And I remember that. And he was like, he was laughing about it and he was being very self deprecating about it. But I remember just thinking how sharp Jeff Zucker was. Just he had an answer for everything. And I'll tell you something that always. I think I've told you this privately. The most impressive thing with any management is if I ask you a question, whether the answer is right or wrong, you've thought about it, you have a theory or a belief. If, I mean, Simmons runs the ringer. If I went to Bill and said, Bill, what do you make of blank, blank, blank in podcasting? Bill would have an idea. It doesn't have to be right, but it's respectful. He's thought about it. There's nothing worse than you ask. You ask a boss at one of these big companies, like, oh, that's a good question. Yeah, that's not a good answer. So I think Zucker had an idea and a thought for every Question I asked, and I was really impressed.
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Ryan Rosillo
Would you have wanted, like, if the. If the number were even. Do you stay in sports? Because you look at the opportunity of, let's face it, I mean, the radio thing's going great, but I filled in.
- [18:33]
Colin Cowherd
For Goldberman once at Condoleezza Rice on that show. I've had two opportunities to go to politics. My takeaway is it is a miserable life and even more repetitive than sports. Every night I get a new game. Every night I get a new narrative, and a war breaks out. You're on it for a year and a half. I mean, you are on, like, by the way, this healthcare, United Healthcare CEO that gets murdered. Fascinating. It wouldn't be. After the 38 straight show, you and I get fresh games every night. I mean, there'll be times.
- [19:05]
Ryan Rosillo
Deflate gate. Yeah. Was kind of wore us out. I think all of us were.
- [19:08]
Colin Cowherd
The Kaepernick story, you're like, okay, I've given it six weeks. I don't want to give it six months. Tebow got old. But I. But I thought to myself, I think it would wear me down. And I'm a happy guy, and I like to laugh and I like to. I like new shit. I like new stuff.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
And boy, you get. I remember Oberman complaining about this years ago. In one of his moves, he just said, you know, sports is fun. And by the way, every time he's gone politics, he's moved. Move back into sports, and then he goes back into politics. But sports is the toy department. Like, we laugh a lot. There's surprises around every corner. You're not just pulling a story. I mean, think about it. There's three days every four years, I wish I was in politics the day before the election, the day of the election, the day after. But now I got four years until we have another, you know, federal election for the White House. Two years to midterms. That's a lot of days to fill. That's a lot of topics to stretch out. And I think that's tedious and numbing.
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Ryan Rosillo
I know that I can be stubborn with sports because kind of. Back to your original point, like, if I'm building a theory or I'm coming to some kind of conclusion, despite knowing if you watch this stuff long enough. Like, I've told this story a few times, but I remember, like, first, starting in Boston, I'm on local radio. This is 20 years ago. And when you're young, you just. You're not. You haven't been wrong enough yet to realize you might be Wrong about anything.
- [20:36]
Kyle
Yeah, sure.
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Ryan Rosillo
And I'm so, like, defiance, wrong. I have so much conviction in everything that I've come up with. And I run into Bob Ryan, who, of course, I loved growing up reading him, and he was always like, day one, respectful. The thing about Bob Ryan, that always blew me away, I was like, here's this guy, decades, decades, decades. And he can't wait for the game to start. Like, he can't wait to watch NBA basketball. And it's still there in a very pure way, which I remember even then being impressed, going, well, I feel that way about games. If I end up doing it, you know, who knows? I don't know that I'll ever do it as long as Bob Ryan does. But the point is, is I said something to him, so sure of myself, and he just looked. He was like, maybe kind of just shrugged and walked away. And he wasn't dissing me. He just had been around long enough. He had seen enough things. So when I think about the surprises that were ready for, whether it's the College Football Playoff or NBA Finals or whatever, I know that I can be a little stubborn because it took me a while to come to the point. It took me a while.
- [21:35]
Colin Cowherd
Right, Sure.
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Ryan Rosillo
I think whenever I look at, like, some of the moments where you realize, like, oh, I have to change my mind here. Like, I'm wrong about this. I don't know that any of us love doing it, but you can't never do it. And I think that's the thing where it feels like maybe as much as not on the table, when you're talking sports for a living as it is politics, because I just never see anybody. Like, when the pardon thing happened, I was like, oh, I don't want to hear from you. You don't want to hear from you. I was like, you know what? If you've been tweeting about politics for, like, 10 straight years, I don't want to hear from either of you. Well, it's, like, about this, I don't, because I already know what you're going to say. There's nothing interesting about this anymore. And I'd still like to think, despite my stubborn resume of certain basketball and football things, that you still have to surprise the audience a little bit. And I think political coverage never surprises anyone anymore.
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Colin Cowherd
No. And they don't admit they're wrong. I mean, listen, the left went heavy into defending Hunter Biden. Probably not a smart call. Right? That was like a big thing. Like, they. They. They died on a lot of. A lot of People died on that hill. Hunter's had a lot of issues. Even Obama acknowledges the Biden.
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Ryan Rosillo
You look like him a little. You got that.
- [22:42]
Colin Cowherd
Never heard that. I've never done method.
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Ryan Rosillo
You did say that. Was that frowned upon? You're like, don't do math. I mean, that was a positive message on ESPN right now.
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Colin Cowherd
That's how I viewed it. Don't do math. Yeah. I mean, everybody dies on certain hills. Like, there is climate change happening. Republicans like Phoenix had the worst weather ever. And I went to Iceland with my son and it wasn't political. The glaciers are melting earlier than ever every year.
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Ryan Rosillo
I hiked them. Interstellar. I went a couple years ago.
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Colin Cowherd
Is it great or what? My son and I. Oh, my God, I loved it.
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Ryan Rosillo
Did you look at real estate?
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Colin Cowherd
No.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's a quick flight from Minneapolis.
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Colin Cowherd
Two bedroom in Reykjavik, though. That was tasty.
- [23:22]
Ryan Rosillo
Reykjavik's a little Portland. A little slower than I thought it would be.
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Colin Cowherd
It is you.
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Ryan Rosillo
You take like, you walk down the main drag and then you turn left and it's back to the fishing village.
- [23:31]
Colin Cowherd
And then you get the rainbow path to the church.
- [23:34]
Ryan Rosillo
You do the western fjords. Yes, I did the whole thing. I drove around the entire thing.
- [23:39]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, that's too much.
- [23:40]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Arctic Circle. First time.
- [23:42]
Colin Cowherd
Wow.
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Ryan Rosillo
Pulled into town, I was like, am I going to reach north of the Arctic Circle if I go up the street? And she's like, yeah, wow. Yeah. She's like, do you want to buy anything? I was like, well, while we're here, why don't we get some dried cod?
- [23:55]
Colin Cowherd
I tried that. Didn't love it.
- [23:57]
Ryan Rosillo
Didn't worked out. And I went to another village and I joined the gym for two days.
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Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
I expected just Icelandic beasts. And it was like, yeah, those guys that are in World's Strongest man, but there's also regular people here, right?
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Colin Cowherd
There are.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Colin Cowherd
Did you think everybody looked like Sven?
- [24:13]
Ryan Rosillo
I kind of wanted to, but I was afraid. Like, how intimidating. But I loved Iceland so much. Same.
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Colin Cowherd
Because would go back tomorrow. My son absolutely and loved it.
- [24:21]
Ryan Rosillo
It's a great driving vacation. Like, I rented a nice car and just said, I'm going to do it. Right. And you want to stop every 10 minutes. And then you're like, well, you have to get to the next town.
- [24:32]
Colin Cowherd
You have waterfalls as big as the Space Needle a hundred yards off the road.
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Ryan Rosillo
And you just park and there. Because there's something else. There's plenty of room. Like, it's. It's not. Although the southeastern side, the black sand stuff and some of the pirate Footage. Yeah, that area was tough. I couldn't find a hotel. Like, after I hiked the glacier, I remember I was like, all right, well, I'm just going to skid a hotel. And the guy looked at me, he's like, there's not going to be. You're here the busiest two weeks of the entire year. Like, half of Japan's here right now, so. And I drove all the way back to Reykjavik. It took me like, 14 hours, but the sun. The sun never went down, so it was actually a nice little road trip. Okay, well, speaking of dying, have you given up on the idea that Ben Simmons is going to be better than LeBron?
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Colin Cowherd
You know, that's one of those. It was hard to move off of. You know, it's funny, Gottlieb said to me at the time, I said. I watched him and I at one point said, I'm like, dude, that guy is like magic, but, like, more athletic. And, you know, Doug knows his hoops. And Doug was like, yeah, he may be the best prospect since, like, LeBron. And so I was like, yeah. I mean, you guys, I mean, Doug's pretty good at that stuff, so I already bought into it.
- [25:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Hey, look, I never thought it was going to be this. I mean, come on.
- [25:48]
Colin Cowherd
Well, here's the thing. If you go back his first year.
- [25:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Actually, no, I mean, when he was a confident player, he impacted basketball.
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Colin Cowherd
There's no question. He. I mean, the fact that Philly had both him and the guard from Washington, two guys that literally get their games, forget corrupted their games, disintegrated. Fultz. What was that?
- [26:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, Markel Fultz.
- [26:09]
Colin Cowherd
They had literally. If you said, there's three guys in my life with a game, disintegrated. Royce White, fear of flying, and those two Sixers, it's like, whoa. I mean, you would have. I mean, those guys, over the course of a five year period, two guys that just couldn't shoot.
- [26:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Ange is such a good gm. If I had the number three pick and he called and moved out of one, and I was convinced I wanted to take Markel Fultz, that would make me rethink my entire strategy. And I remember, and look, I have the receipts for this one, but, like, watching Tatum that year as you get ready for the draft, because I was doing the draft for espn, I was like, how is. How is Tatum not at least in the conversation, for number one to be in the size and the shooting stroke and the handle, and he's so young, and the Fultz thing was there was a lot of NBA people, when I was asking those questions, they're like, if you saw him at the under 19 or whatever, or saw him at some of the international stuff, like, forget Washington, because I think even the Washington stuff was kind of debatable, at least in comparison to Tatum. But there was other international stuff that he'd been doing where the NBA people have been watching for a couple of years, and they're like, this guy is nasty. But to your Sixers point, to end up with two guys.
- [27:17]
Colin Cowherd
So I called Mark Few. All right, I can tell the story now.
- [27:20]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, let's go.
- [27:21]
Colin Cowherd
Played Washington. I said, what do you make of Fultz? This was before the pick. I said, you know, I'll trust your opinion. He goes, we played him. And I forget exactly what he said, but he said he disappeared in the blank half. He goes, second probably. I think he goes. He goes, good. First half disappeared. He goes. I really was expecting more. And so Mark, you know. And again, I can tell the story now. Mark wasn't banging on him. Mark was like, you know, he's talented, but in our game, it kind of disappeared in the second half. I think he told me. And I really trust Mark implicitly. I mean, Mark and I try never to bother him during seasons too much, but he's one of those people. I'll just. Hey, what do you. What do you make of this?
- [28:02]
Ryan Rosillo
They're playing Loyola just up the street. Let's go. I think it's January 12th. You and I go together.
- [28:07]
Colin Cowherd
I would go.
- [28:07]
Ryan Rosillo
We just tank. Last time I talked to Rowdy, I.
- [28:10]
Colin Cowherd
Said, I want to go. And he goes, the seating's not good up there. Don't bother. I said, I can throw baseball to it.
- [28:14]
Ryan Rosillo
I can't believe I've been here this long and I haven't gone to a game of Loyal.
- [28:17]
Colin Cowherd
I live right next to it now.
- [28:18]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, you're. You're. I might just park my car at your place.
- [28:21]
Colin Cowherd
I always.
- [28:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Probably Uber Uber, knowing I'm hanging out with you.
- [28:24]
Colin Cowherd
Playa is Manhattan beach with no alcohol and great parking.
- [28:28]
Ryan Rosillo
What are you talking about? No, there's, like, two epic dive bars up there. One day I docked up the boat, and then just like, I'm stopping at Prince of Wales. Oh, I have to see. Yeah, I was like, I have to see this first.
- [28:39]
Colin Cowherd
Now, where's your boat now?
- [28:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Marine Del Rey.
- [28:42]
Colin Cowherd
Who that is. You're two divorces away from being a cliche. A boat in Marina Del Rey?
- [28:49]
Ryan Rosillo
I know. I checked.
- [28:50]
Colin Cowherd
Full of Viagra.
- [28:51]
Ryan Rosillo
No, I checked so many. Like, Divorced boxes. I mean, it's ridiculous or like midlife crisis ones, but I feel like I already. Whatever I went through in the first half of my twenties will cover me for the rest of my life.
- [29:05]
Colin Cowherd
That's a great way to. A great place to dock a boat though. That's a beautiful area.
- [29:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, it's super easy. And there's all sorts of restaurants and whatever and you know, I don't, I'm not there, you know, you'd like to be there more. You know how it is, Colin. You'd like to be there more. But it's just really an exit strategy for me to just get better nautically. Yeah, yeah. That was always kind of the goal.
- [29:26]
Colin Cowherd
This is sort of the get better nautically.
- [29:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah. Because, you know, who knows? Podcast from St. Barts. Why not Starlink? Shouldn't be a problem. Let's talk more about something that you said though, that I really like. And I think we even touched on this years ago when we were doing this, but you were mentioning like the late night hosts and I don't know, this may be the least relatable part of the podcast, but I just think it's from an industry standpoint really interesting because like, look, when we were at ESPN and you were in a much better position, I was totally understand it. I like to think I have some good self awareness when it comes to like professionally certain things. But the point was always kind of like, hey, we like you, but we could also put somebody on in your slot and it's because it's us, people are probably going to listen. And I know that that was the thing with me. You were more of an institution, so there was a danger. And I still think that they probably admit they probably should have just figured out a way to keep you. But now because of this shift in some of the stuff you were talking about with the power podcast in comparison to like the late night stuff. And like every now and then, like, maybe I should admit this, but I'll be like, what does that guy make? What do you make now? Doing late night tv. And there's still astronomical numbers right there, still huge numbers. And then I'll be like, okay, but what are the ratings? And then you're like, man, that's.
- [30:47]
Colin Cowherd
I mean, well, comparison's the thief of joy. So I wouldn't do that. There are certain people that are grandfathered into, you know, like, like nothing against Kimmel. I think Jimmy's great. But you know, if you told me he made 20 million a year or 25, I'd be like, yeah, probably. So let me, let me pivot to this. I would say I don't, I don't think like that. What I think is there are traits going forward. I'm just changing the whole goddamn question. There are traits going forward that are really valuable.
- [31:16]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay.
- [31:17]
Colin Cowherd
And I think you have them and I have them. So when I look at late night hosts.
- [31:20]
Ryan Rosillo
Sure.
- [31:21]
Colin Cowherd
That's the last. When you get that job, it's the last job.
- [31:23]
Ryan Rosillo
It's also a very hard job. Kind of back to the everyday.
- [31:26]
Colin Cowherd
Much harder than people think. Like network execs are there with like microscopes and pliers every day on every word.
- [31:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [31:33]
Colin Cowherd
And you're dealing with Hollywood people who you're not really interested in. So I have total respect for that. I mean, how many.
- [31:38]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm not knocking the salaries. I'm just talking about the math. I don't think the math has caught up. Or maybe it has. Like, maybe you look at, you know, the Stephen A. Rumor number or the McAfee deal or knowing how Portnoy has done or how Bill has done. Like you're looking at these things going, okay, wow, these numbers are kind of taking off. And then you think, well, doesn't that math make way more sense? If you look at some of these products with these built in audiences that aren't watching a station, they're not listening to it on the radio, they're not turning on tv, they're looking at it and they're clicking a button specifically for that person.
- [32:10]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [32:10]
Ryan Rosillo
I think that's a value that. I think when we had started, you couldn't even theorize that that would exist. Like, I'll be able to actually do this on my own. And when you look at some of the numbers kind of taken off and I look the segment, the idea. And this isn't even a segment. I didn't ask this question to be like, how come late night TV still makes so much money?
- [32:31]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [32:31]
Ryan Rosillo
But there's a lot of math. If you dug into it, you're like, is this part of a greater transition?
- [32:37]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think it's dead. I think, you know, I think newspaper was dead 20 years ago. I think the athletic models still hemorrhages money for the New York Times. But they did it because.
- [32:48]
Ryan Rosillo
But I love the athletics.
- [32:49]
Colin Cowherd
So do I. Every day.
- [32:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, I used to love reading the National Glenn Pascarelli's Get a new piece on Dot com.
- [32:56]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [32:56]
Ryan Rosillo
You know, whether it was more. Whether it was Stark, Kirchen, Buster, Chad Ford, all those guys, like, I couldn't wait to get my hands on that stuff. And now I'm like, is there that stuff? And, like, again, I thank God the athletic, the college football coverage and everything. And I just, I wonder, like, it's kind of your base. This is, like, actually really good. Like, everybody wants to fix baseball right now. Right? Right. Was there ever a way to fix newspapers?
- [33:24]
Colin Cowherd
No, there wasn't. You know, this idea that, well, I don't think this helped, but people often said, well, they all lean left. That's not why it died. The bottom line is we live in an urgent. The phone changed a lot of things. And once I got the phone and I could get stuff, immediately it's the Jon Stewart piece on Comedy Central when he went to the New York Times and he opened up the paper and he said, oh, that's two days old. It was the New York Times. And he kind of made fun of the fact that everything in this paper is a day old. And that's the problem. Now, if you want depth newspapers, you know, the Times, the top of the chart is always going to work. I mean, it's. British Airways is always going to do fine. So was Emirates. So was the New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, and Southwest Airlines. Again, you got to find a slot in media and airlines and hotels. Mandarin or Hotel Six. If you're in the middle, you're in big trouble. It's the same with media. Top of the food chain or, you know, the New York.
- [34:23]
Ryan Rosillo
You know what's funny is I remember, like, Will Kane when I first started getting to know him, I was like, tell me, like, because he's immediately impressive.
- [34:29]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [34:30]
Ryan Rosillo
Just you sit in a room and you're like, oh, I think this guy's.
- [34:32]
Colin Cowherd
Like a smart, good looking, thoughtful, funny guy.
- [34:34]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Full head of hair. I was like, God damn it. ESPN grabbed another one of these guys about the same age. He's definitely smarter than me. And I was like, what did you do? Like, before this? He's like, you know, love Texas, love local community. I love, you know, I wanted to figure out a way. He's like, I just started, like, buying ad rights to small town newspapers because everybody still read them.
- [34:55]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, they still do.
- [34:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. And I thought, is there, you know, I'm like, is there a lesson in there? I mean, it's not like you become.
- [35:01]
Colin Cowherd
A newspaper man, but you may be thinking. So I think eventually.
- [35:05]
Ryan Rosillo
No, it's your slotting thing that you were talking about. Like, if you're up here, okay, but you can still be down here and still be doing Well, I think the overall part of it, like, when I think about all of this stuff, because I just think all of this stuff is moving so fast.
- [35:16]
Colin Cowherd
It is.
- [35:17]
Ryan Rosillo
And whenever anybody asks me, like, hey, where do you think this is going? I'm like, I could lie to you. Like, I could sit here.
- [35:21]
Colin Cowherd
Yes.
- [35:21]
Ryan Rosillo
And tell you a bunch of theories, but I don't know. I don't have an answer.
- [35:24]
Colin Cowherd
I don't either. I think I do believe that podcasts are the new late night hosts. I thought that was a fundamental mistake by one political party going to late night shows instead of podcasts. Podcasters will now make what late night hosts did. That's a shift. So that's a big. To me, that's a big shift. I have a podcast company, so I think podcasting is in the fourth inning. I think it's just going to get bigger and bigger and bigger. I just saw a story the other day where Lachlan Murdoch is thinking about buying stuff like Ben Shapiro or top podcasters. So I think the big shift for me is late night hosts don't have the cultural relevance. Over the last three to five years, podcasts has replaced that. So to me, that's a clear.
- [36:05]
Ryan Rosillo
Then I think we're in agreement. Because, I mean, this is sort of what I was laying out where I would look at some of these numbers.
- [36:10]
Colin Cowherd
Going, all right, so your point is the pay doesn't work. And my thing is, I mean, I.
- [36:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Wasn'T sitting here being like, oh, my God, these guys are making much.
- [36:17]
Colin Cowherd
But it's. I think the relevance is shifting. I think Rogan was the first one where you're like, wow. And then Dax Shepard. Whoa. And I think increasingly you're going to see, I mean, Shapiro could sell his company now for 900 million to a billion dollars. No question. He doesn't want to.
- [36:32]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't. I can't.
- [36:33]
Colin Cowherd
That's what I was told.
- [36:34]
Ryan Rosillo
I cannot challenge those numbers. I don't know.
- [36:36]
Colin Cowherd
I think he could. So, yeah, I think we're. I think we're moving, you know, and I don't know if the audience is interested in this at all. I always had this theory that you simplify everything because it's all very convoluted and confusing. I worry. I have a radio show, it's about two hours after commercials, maybe hour 50. I try to give you five different angles on the stories everybody's talking about, and that's all I care about. All I care about that radio became a simulcast, became a podcast network. It's just. But it all goes back to five rants a day trying to be captivating and interesting. And for you, it all comes down to your. Your nights become your days. Watching at night, breaking stuff down, taking notes for stuff that only NBA GMs do become your day rants. And that's really your job.
- [37:28]
Ryan Rosillo
There's plenty of other media guys that are taking notes, but it's.
- [37:31]
Colin Cowherd
But I think it's specific to you. You're very good at that. And not a lot of people put that time. And you have a personality beyond just being, you know, doing that. But I look at you as like.
- [37:40]
Ryan Rosillo
Sometimes I'll get a little box score heavy. But I appreciate you saying no, but.
- [37:43]
Colin Cowherd
I think is that it all really comes down. I mean, there are about like one Elon Musk in the world that can have six companies operating. But most of us, you can really simplify what we do. And the question is, I've described my show, my career this way. I'm. Imagine if you were an attorney. I get paid by the jury, the da, the prosecuting attorney, the judge, and I charge the state of California to televise it. I just do one thing, but I get paid by six different entities. So you. So the question now becomes with podcasting is you do that, right? Will you get paid for the digital, the podcasting? Will you catalog and archive it and eventually sell it like Carson's sold his tapes, which my mom gave me, I remember as a birthday present. So the question be, how do you monetize this certain simplicity multiple ways? It won't be doing more things because as the market gets wider, people who are established, you know, I complimented Jimmy Pitaro the other day on my policy. I said for years it was, hey, let's create shows. And they have chemistry. It's like, no, the market's too wide. Just go buy it inside the NBA. Go buy Buck and Aikman. It solves your Monday night problem.
- [39:07]
Ryan Rosillo
I know, I'm with you. Like, they're.
- [39:09]
Colin Cowherd
The market's too wide. Shit. You and I are competing against TikTok, Netflix, IG. And so I think finally they have figured it out. And by the way, I'm seeing other people doing this. Amazon's figured it out. Let's get the NFL, let's get the NBA. It's Netflix. Like, we're gonna do true crime. We're gonna do NFL on Christmas. We're going to get a Tyson fight. This idea, when the market goes wider, Disney figured it out. Iger, Avengers. No more niche films. Mission Impossible, John Wick. So I Think that's what's happening to the world?
- [39:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, that's exactly what happened to film. Exactly what happened to film. And it made sense, like when Disney was going through all that. Like, okay, so they're buying up Marvel, they're buying up Star wars. And it's just. I mean, it's the same as signing Soto, you know, it's like deciding that, okay, enough of this Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, you know, like, let's get it over with. Do you consider yourself a sports elitist?
- [40:06]
Colin Cowherd
What does that mean? What do you mean, sport elitist?
- [40:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, I think you had a rant recently where you were like, good, I'm glad Soto's in New York.
- [40:16]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, totally.
- [40:17]
Ryan Rosillo
Fuck everybody else.
- [40:18]
Colin Cowherd
It's not Fox's responsibility to worry about the Rays. That's Major League Baseball's problem. Once the regional networks died, the bottom eight team are AAA baseball teams.
- [40:27]
Ryan Rosillo
I cannot believe what baseball allows to happen at the bottom end. And I don't know if that's why it's a decline.
- [40:32]
Colin Cowherd
There's like 18 major league teams and like 12 AAA teams with some major league players.
- [40:38]
Ryan Rosillo
Because I know that the argument is always, well, if we have a floor, we need a cap. And you're like, well, with some of these penalties, you've basically created a cap. Other than the Dodgers, who then can defer a lot of this money. And I don't know all the calculations of the baseball CBA the way I would know it, but to have teams that just don't do anything and don't spend any money and they're playing Major League Baseball. But I don't really want to do like the baseball timeline thing with you. So go ahead, just cut me off and go where you were going.
- [41:04]
Colin Cowherd
Okay. The 10th richest owner in baseball, Bob Nutting, the Mariners owners third. The Fishers, used to own the Giants. Sold it to buy. The A's tanked so they could move it to Vegas. Also the Polad family, Twins, billionaires make choices. Okay, now the Dodgers and Yankees have 550 million plus revenue annually. I think the Yankees are at 675, the Dodgers at 580. Nobody's saying the Pirates can get there, but Juan Soto is available to any billionaire. They all make choices. Six of the 10 richest owners, maybe it's five, are like Detroit Mariners, Twins. Do you think Juan Soto to the Twins would fill the stadium? Absolutely. So my take is I don't want Joey Votto or Joe Maurer hogging everything up. I want to turn a baseball game on. I want to see Betts batting second, Ohtani third, Freddie Freeman fourth. I'm not changing the channel. Max Muncie fifth or sixth. My take is Lindor Soto. I'm watching. I believe that billionaires make bets. And there's a lot of different people if they wanted to, like, ask yourself this. The Padres have made a conscious decision in a small market. We're going to have Tatis. We're going to be active at the trade deadline. We're going to outbid people for Manny Machado. Now, they've drafted well, they have that rookie.
- [42:35]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. But they're honestly. This is one of the most aggressive stretches of any professional sports team. And what they've tried to do in a small market. Right. But every year they're reinventing themselves. And I actually have a ton of respect for the play. I'm super into the Padres Dodgers in a way that I wouldn't. I love baseball when I was younger, but being out here, I just respect it way more. I mean, LA fans are so much better than the East Coast. People would think until you live out here, you don't really understand it, but.
- [43:02]
Colin Cowherd
So I guess my point is people complain about the hierarchy in baseball. These guys could almost all. And I don't think Pittsburgh is ever going to have 400 million in revenue, but they would probably add 70 million in merchandise, ticket sales, parking with Juan Soto. So you'd pay for his salary. So I just don't. I don't have any sympathy for small market teams. They're all owned by billionaires. You make choices, you make bets. You don't really care about the baseball team. The Fisher family was like with the Giants. Go look at the Fisher family's history.
- [43:36]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know a lot about the Fisher. Loaded after the show.
- [43:40]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. And it's now. I think the Giants are now owned by the Templeton people Funds. But it was like the Fisher family. They own the A's. They could have spent money. They didn't want to. They didn't want to have a team in Oakland.
- [43:52]
Ryan Rosillo
Now that I podcast and I don't do radio like you still do, three hours a day, five days a week. How many years are we on with you right now?
- [43:59]
Colin Cowherd
Who?
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Ryan Rosillo
How many years? Five days a week.
- [44:03]
Colin Cowherd
A lot.
- [44:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Do you know the answer? It's over 20. Well, let's do the math.
- [44:07]
Colin Cowherd
Well, local too.
- [44:08]
Ryan Rosillo
So no, count the last. When did you start local? Okay.
- [44:10]
Colin Cowherd
I've been eight and a half to nine here. Eleven. ESPN is 20. And then six, seven, eight. Almost 30 years, five days a week.
- [44:21]
Ryan Rosillo
What do you like on the days where you wake up and you're like, I don't have it.
- [44:24]
Colin Cowherd
It's like, Nolan Ryan, I'll still throw 100. You'll just hit the out of it.
- [44:30]
Ryan Rosillo
Or I'll walk you.
- [44:33]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, that's a good question. What do I do?
- [44:38]
Ryan Rosillo
Because you're kind of not as somebody who's had the job and did it for 10 years and was on five days a week in Boston and then the fill in gap years, but a good 10 year run. And now that I do this, I can't believe I did it. And I think the lesson is you're not allowed to wake up and say, I don't have it today.
- [44:56]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, not really. I will say, my employers are very gracious out of the football season. They will come to me and just say, hey bro, take a couple days off. Like there's nothing going on. So they were. In fact, this past year, it was funny. I went to, I had. I don't remember when it was. I don't know. So I was sitting with some manager and I said, I said, Sean McVay killed the preseason by not playing any starters and going 8, 0. I said, and that killed August. I used to be like, it's slow, but I got stories.
- [45:33]
Ryan Rosillo
No, you could get, you used to be able to get some August numbers because of preseason football, right? And like now, I mean, you know, people are still in the cars, traveling.
- [45:41]
Colin Cowherd
Now it's like Kenny Pickett, four more rants. Like, I remember that year. I'm like, august is dead. So it used to be July. You took vacation and then you came back firing in August. And I was talking to one of the managers over there and I just said, I've never done this. I need about three weeks off. I said, this is going to be a Super bowl year for Fox. I need three weeks off. And I went to watch Hill and I played golf every other day. Seventeen straight days of a cocktail. It was glorious. Ann and I had so much fun. And it was. And I was ready to go after that. But I do believe going forward, the calendar's changed. Football's gonna extend and add another week. So football's gonna. Now it ends like February 9th, and then you and I talk about it two or three or four days, whatever we do. And then like, then you'll take a week off and then you have. Free agency's been moved up March Madness. Football's now gonna go to like the 19th and then you'll talk about it till the 27th. And it's like. And then you'll have two weeks till free agency. So the front part of the year is getting better. The summer's getting drier. So the good news, which is fine.
- [46:53]
Ryan Rosillo
Actually, I'd rather travel than.
- [46:54]
Colin Cowherd
But two things are helping. Let me throw this. I haven't talked a. Caitlin Clark's a real story. I watch every number. I watch every minute of every show in the summer just to see what works, because almost nothing does. She moves a needle. Her and Angel Reese is a thing. I did 15. Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark. And they were all. I loved doing all of them. They were fun. It was like bird magic. It was like, there's hate, There's.
- [47:18]
Ryan Rosillo
It was like bird magic.
- [47:20]
Colin Cowherd
Well, I mean, you know, one of.
- [47:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Them wasn't bird or magic.
- [47:23]
Colin Cowherd
The point. The second thing, I believe baseball is going to have a renaissance because unlike the NBA, where the stars are in San Antonio, okc, Minnesota, Denver, the stars are all Yankees, Mets, Phillies, Dodgers, Padres and Braves. Like, they're all in the perfect markets. If you could select markets, you'd be like, put them there. They are. And so I started noticing it last year. I tend to think, what is the public? I'm going to go with what I feel. I couldn't wait to watch the National League playoffs. I mean, I would go home, work out, go home, order. I was like, Padres, Dodgers. I can't wait for the games. I saw the numbers. I wasn't alone. So I think baseball has got a really cool thing going where they just got. I think it's the death of the regional networks. It's like coastal teams have more money. Atlanta, Philly, New York, Louisiana. I'm surprised the Giants haven't become more. Haven't been more aggressive. San Diego is that I think baseball is going to have a run here and it's going to last a while, and there's going to be a renaissance. And you saw it this year at Fox.
- [48:27]
Ryan Rosillo
The numbers were like, wow, look, I love baseball. Obviously, you know, I've talked about my background on it. I'm never going to have the same relationship with it that I had 20 years ago, because it kind of speaks to your. Your time deal. Like, I could not do. I could go the entire year and never do a baseball segment on any episode of the podcast. And the podcast would be fine.
- [48:47]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [48:48]
Ryan Rosillo
So kind of where we started this whole thing is like, you have to start to figure out, like, I don't. I don't actually need to do this now. If there's a game on and it's a couple guys I want to watch. Like, it's kind of fun to watch.
- [48:58]
Morgan
Why?
- [48:58]
Ryan Rosillo
I love the UFC because I know I'm super educated on it and I just sit there like a fan and I'm not thinking of angles, I'm not thinking of takes. I'm not.
- [49:05]
Colin Cowherd
Have you ever taken a woman to an UFC fight and loved it?
- [49:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, wow.
- [49:10]
Colin Cowherd
She was like, yeah, it's two even fighters. It's not a pit bull and a beach ball. It's like 280 pound guys kicking the crap out of each other. I love going to usa.
- [49:18]
Ryan Rosillo
You ever taken a woman? What other. What would you say the other maybe off the radar dating options would be for a guy that's out there in the game battling the battles.
- [49:27]
Colin Cowherd
You're asking me?
- [49:29]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Well, I mean, you just asked. You said. I never had thought. I mean, look, it's not like Vegas isn't a great couple's weekend.
- [49:36]
Colin Cowherd
What do people like you do? Like tonight I go out, I go see my friend David Slay. I'll have one cocktail. I'll do a little.
- [49:46]
Ryan Rosillo
Maybe two.
- [49:47]
Colin Cowherd
No, not on game night.
- [49:49]
Ryan Rosillo
Not at a school night.
- [49:50]
Colin Cowherd
Nope. I don't used to. Can't anymore. I may go home and just smoke a cigar. Sometimes I do that.
- [49:54]
Ryan Rosillo
What about the in season tournament? You're not going to watch that.
- [49:57]
Colin Cowherd
Is there a game, a good game on tonight?
- [49:58]
Ryan Rosillo
There's two games tonight.
- [50:00]
Colin Cowherd
What's the big one? Tuesday. Let's schedule.
- [50:03]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, because they had to mix up the start times for tonight because there's technically different time zones, but the teams are in the same time zone.
- [50:12]
Colin Cowherd
We're taping this in the reasonably early afternoon.
- [50:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, Magic Buck starts in a few minutes. And then we get Mavs Thunder. Two and a half hours.
- [50:18]
Colin Cowherd
I'll watch Mavs Thunder.
- [50:19]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, but what if the. What if something historic happens with the bucks?
- [50:23]
Colin Cowherd
It's called YouTube. I'll figure it out.
- [50:26]
Ryan Rosillo
We're going to slate it together. We're going to dinner.
- [50:29]
Colin Cowherd
Are we tonight?
- [50:30]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, we are. That was part of the plan, is I'm going to have you do this and then I'm going to take you out to dinner.
- [50:33]
Colin Cowherd
That's very thoughtful.
- [50:34]
Ryan Rosillo
And we're going to be really social.
- [50:35]
Colin Cowherd
You said you didn't want to go over an hour and my take is, can't you do two? And they just cut out the boring stuff.
- [50:41]
Ryan Rosillo
I would say one of the things that's different about me and other podcasters is I think radio people have this internal clock that is constantly clicking in their head. And it's not so much, like, how many minutes I've gone, but knowing. And I really think it's a skill. I don't want to call it, like, Jason Kidd point guard stuff, because I think you're born as Jason Kidd. Like, you're just going to see certain things a certain way. But I noticed, like, at least with me, with radio stuff, when I'm doing a podcast or somebody else who has no radio background, I'll be like, this has been over. This has been over for five minutes. Not us right now, but I'll think of the topic and we haven't gone to the next thing. And I'm like, it's over. It's been over. And I think people without the radio background don't necessarily always have that.
- [51:23]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Let me guess how long we've gone. 42 minutes. Wow.
- [51:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Eight minutes off.
- [51:29]
Colin Cowherd
Wow.
- [51:29]
Ryan Rosillo
Not.
- [51:30]
Kyle
No.
- [51:30]
Ryan Rosillo
That's pretty good.
- [51:30]
Colin Cowherd
Lost my fastball.
- [51:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, maybe you just. Maybe it was a ball. Just back to your Nolan Ryan thing.
- [51:36]
Colin Cowherd
The. What were you taught? You just. You made me think of something and I lost it. Well, that's what happens with gray hair. You just lose stuff.
- [51:44]
Ryan Rosillo
What? How much longer do you have?
- [51:46]
Colin Cowherd
An hour. I don't care. This is your. This is my day.
- [51:48]
Ryan Rosillo
No, I meant professionally.
- [51:50]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, shit. 40 minutes. Same thing now and forever. I got 40 minutes left. I think I probably. I'll go. I have 10 really good years.
- [52:00]
Ryan Rosillo
Ten takes you to 70.
- [52:02]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, no, no.
- [52:02]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm.
- [52:03]
Colin Cowherd
I'm taking stuff right now. Like healthy stuff, brain stuff. Yeah, I'm not just talking Trident gum, brother. I'm going. I am.
- [52:12]
Ryan Rosillo
What kind of brain stuff are you on?
- [52:13]
Colin Cowherd
Look at. I even drink this. This is all I drink now.
- [52:17]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, you're just a straight ginger boost kombucha guy.
- [52:20]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, like, I now care about. You know, digestive system's a lot better. Well, I just. I'm really into that stuff. I am not a neurotic guy. Except with what I drink and eat. I literally have. I'm so regimented, it's laughable.
- [52:37]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, so here's what I would ask.
- [52:42]
Colin Cowherd
I won't be doing just this, though. Things are going to look different.
- [52:45]
Ryan Rosillo
You think you're going to go 10 more years, five days a week?
- [52:48]
Colin Cowherd
I think I'm going to do 10 more years of the grind. It probably won't look like this. It will be. It will manifest itself in other ways and other platforms. Not that I'm. You keep looking at me suspiciously like, can I just say something without it being right?
- [53:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, no, I Know I'm giving you the business here and I know.
- [53:08]
Colin Cowherd
No, I don't mind the business.
- [53:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, look, I'm an interviewer first, friend second right now. So, you know, I. Okay. But I think this, this is actually a good transition to the kind of. The reason I would even ask that. I think that's a lot. But I. If anybody can do it, you can do it. And you've already proven that you can. Do you need it? Do you need to be on the air talking?
- [53:31]
Colin Cowherd
No.
- [53:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Are you sure?
- [53:33]
Colin Cowherd
Yes. When I took that three weeks off and I say this, but you knew.
- [53:39]
Ryan Rosillo
You knew you were going back to.
- [53:40]
Colin Cowherd
I did and I wasn't gone. And I like golf. I don't live for it, but I have now. I used to feel guilty taking days off. I have all my vacation booked for next year. Like, I have flights purchased. I know where I'm going. Like, I really love hanging out with friends and an. And going. Seeing the world like I could. I mean, I already know how it's going to look. I'm going to spend my certain time in London, a lot of time in Watch Hill. More of the east coast than people I think would my career would suggest. It's not that I don't need to talk. I saw there was an artist named Chuck Close. You ever heard of that name, Chuck Close? And he used to always say the ego of the artist is you believe that your art needs to be seen. There are days I'm driving to work thinking this is a better take than anybody has. That's my ego. Now, I may not have 12 of them, but that still exists in me.
- [54:39]
Ryan Rosillo
The math is impossible to have the 12.
- [54:41]
Colin Cowherd
Right. Right. But there are days I absolutely believe and you do probably too. Watching a game. I'm spending time on this. I'm seeing something. I got a theory. I need to talk about this. And I think that's healthy. That's what keeps me going. The belief is I think I've got a smarter take on this and I need to get on the air and say it. I may not have it every day, but I really. Philip Rivers once told me he liked the process more than the game. And I got to be honest with you, the hour 40 process in the morning, the guys are funny. We've got funny people. Is. It's. I really enjoy it. And I don't think if I didn't enjoy it then it would be corrosive to the show. But I love walking in in the morning and thinking it's a Wednesday and it's June and I got one NBA playoff game, and every day, hour and a half, and I'm like, that's funny. That's smart. That's different.
- [55:37]
Ryan Rosillo
You like walking through that door as much as you like being on the air?
- [55:40]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, absolutely. I love the architecture of the show. I love it when Philip Rivers said that. I'm like, God, there's a lot of days I like the prep better than the show. And I think it's. I respect who I work with. I love, you know, the thing about the volume that I'm. I'm. I really naturally. Like, in my 20s, I was very selfish, almost bitter.
- [55:59]
Ryan Rosillo
Give me an example.
- [56:00]
Colin Cowherd
If I thought somebody wasn't as good as me and they were on the air and I was in a town, Indianapolis, and I'm thinking, I'm making nothing, that that guy's no good. How's that guy doing? So and so. And. And he's the voice of this and that.
- [56:13]
Ryan Rosillo
That goes away. Yeah.
- [56:17]
Colin Cowherd
And then I don't know what it is. Maybe it's kids. Maybe it's, you know, your perspective changes. I have no bitterness or animosity, and I can spot it instantly. You don't have it. When I see it from people, I really like seeing people kick ass. Like, I'll text people. I'm like, that was great. That was funny. And I think whenever that happened, where I'm genuinely happy and maybe it does last forever. But, like, the coolest part about the volume is you find something and you're like, hey, let me call him. He may have listened to me as a kid, and I remember calling, like, Danny Parkins. And I said, give me his number, because I knew it was a radio junkie. And I called up, hey, Danny, this is Colin Coward. And he just stopped talking. And I'm like, danny. And he goes, why are you calling me? And I said, hey, I want to hire you at the volume. I've got this thing. I don't think I can afford you. And so and so and so and so. And I just said, I just think you're great. I think you're way better than I was at this age. You're great, and I want to hire you. I could not afford it. The radio station outbid me. And then FS1 came back a year later. Eric Schenck said, who do you think we should hire as a new guy? And I said, there's a kid in Chicago. I tried to hire him. I couldn't afford him. When I went to Chicago, I made a point of listening to his Show. I think he's really talented. I love that. It's like. You know what it's like being. I think you like this. It's like being a baseball scout, and you go to Kalamazoo and you're like, shit, there's nobody here. And you see Jeter, and you're like, this is freaking cool. And you've always wanted to be an NBA gm. Kind of like you. That.
- [57:57]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that was a while ago. By the way, I'm totally, like.
- [57:59]
Colin Cowherd
And a script writer. I don't have the talent to do either, but I would be an NFL GM and a scriptwriter. So I think there's a certain ideology or the way we see things. My dream job is to write a movie and be a gm, but I. This was an easier path.
- [58:15]
Ryan Rosillo
I would love you to be a GM just for the press conference, because I don't know how you would play it. Like, I blame Theo Epstein for this. I have about as much respect for Theo as I probably could have for anybody that has made a living in sports.
- [58:29]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [58:30]
Ryan Rosillo
Considering. Well, you know, oh, I'll fix the Red Sox, then I'll go fix the Cubs. Like, yeah, where's. Who's. On the other side of the first take desk going, actually, you know, like. Like, I don't. You know, there's. There's, like, a few unimpeachable guys. And so when I think about Theo's whole deal was. It was just boring. He was going to be boring because he. That was his personality. And then every single new young kid that came up to run a baseball team, I felt like they were doing Theo impressions. Sir, you would not give us that. But I don't know. I don't know how you would be. I'm trying to think, like, all right, so the team isn't doing well. All right. Colin, I'm, you know, from the Daily Bugle. Teams dropped eight or nine. Your second best player has hurt your best players. Tweeting emojis that may mean he wants to trade. Like, how do you feel about the mental health of your basketball team? Right now.
- [59:27]
Colin Cowherd
I'm worried about the basketball health. I'm not a therapist, so I'm going to worry about the basketball health. I hire coaches. We have therapists who deal with that. I look at our economy, I look at my roster, I look at our injuries. It's a work in progress. I think to your question, I would be succinct. I would hold press conferences infrequently.
- [59:57]
Ryan Rosillo
Would you be a little Belichick? Ish.
- [59:59]
Colin Cowherd
No, because I don't like treating people like that. I like I would want to get along with people, because part of it with Belichick.
- [60:06]
Ryan Rosillo
And you're not. You're not wrong about, like, Bill with more and more success, just was like, I don't need any of you people. And when he was challenged on his draft record, which was a completely fair thing to do, and then he was almost pissed that anyone would suggest draft record was bad. But there was part of Bill's approach that I respected, that it was like, all of the white noise will not exist. All of the nonsense. It will not exist. Like, it's just not going to exist here. But trying to, like, man, Genie, who. You know, and it's funny because I only knew him through the public lens, and I kind of didn't like him.
- [60:40]
Colin Cowherd
Right.
- [60:41]
Ryan Rosillo
And then I got to know him and he's turned it out. Like, he's just so likable.
- [60:45]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [60:46]
Ryan Rosillo
And he'll admit he was like, I was basically kind of trying to be somebody else in the beginning when he got the jets thing, because he grew up under Belichick. Yeah, I know what you're saying, though.
- [60:55]
Colin Cowherd
Like, you wanted to be like, brian Curtis called me. I don't need him. But he seemed like a nice guy.
- [60:59]
Ryan Rosillo
Brian Curtis from the ringer.
- [61:00]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [61:01]
Ryan Rosillo
If he called me, it's not like, highest approval rating.
- [61:03]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no, look, I'm saying those. But if he called me, I'm like, who? I need an article. But I would be gracious because I think he's an interesting, curious guy and really good at his job. So, like, to me, if I respected you and thought you were good, I would just treat you with that respect. I don't like Bill. I don't like.
- [61:19]
Ryan Rosillo
I know you're not saying you don't like Bill. You don't like the approach.
- [61:22]
Colin Cowherd
I don't like the approach. I just want to help you on.
- [61:24]
Ryan Rosillo
That sentence because I know that you like him.
- [61:25]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, no, I think he's brilliant, and I think his family history is mom speaking seven languages. But I don't think, you know, the old cliche is it speaks well of a man if you treat people well that you don't need to. And I think sometimes Bill was a bully, and I didn't like that.
- [61:43]
Ryan Rosillo
It would be funny, though, if. I don't know if this North Carolina thing is real. I think he was almost campaigning for it the other day where I thought.
- [61:49]
Colin Cowherd
Well, he met the chancellor for five hours. You don't meet anybody for five hours without talking about contracts. Five hours.
- [61:56]
Ryan Rosillo
But imagine, there's no way day one Bill with UNC would be the last or last season Bill with New England, like, he would have to, like, you watch the early Bill stuff.
- [62:06]
Colin Cowherd
Well, he has to sell himself.
- [62:07]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [62:08]
Colin Cowherd
Because players choose you.
- [62:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Right, Right. It would be, It'd be kind of funny to see there would be a definite pivot, although, you know, I don't know that it would be.
- [62:17]
Colin Cowherd
I would go hire Lance Leopold. What are you doing with Belichick if you gave Lance Leopold that job?
- [62:22]
Ryan Rosillo
I would hire Belichick to be my head coach of an NFL team. I just wouldn't let him be the gm.
- [62:26]
Colin Cowherd
We agree. That's right.
- [62:28]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't even know how that's debatable. I, I, I do think there'd be somebody. I'm actually shocked that he doesn't have a job, because I would have thought some owners, like, hey, you get to introduce the greatest coach perhaps of all time to be your head coach. But you, you've. He's. The draft thing, it's like, it's hard to hand him the keys.
- [62:46]
Colin Cowherd
Do you remember the mistake when McVay and Les Snead on draft day had had a couple pops, and so they were asked after, like, day two or day one?
- [62:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Not before the draft? You mean after?
- [62:57]
Colin Cowherd
No. So it was at the end of day two. So day one and day two are in the books.
- [63:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay.
- [63:02]
Colin Cowherd
And they were in the Malibu house or wherever, and they'd had a pop or two. And it was several hours after the media came in, and somebody asked him about this interior lineman New England drafted. And they inadvertently said, we thought he was going to be available in round three. And they laughed. Now, McVeigh called Belichick to apologize, but Bill basically drafted a guy around early. And so I called somebody in the NFL that I know, and I'm like. And he goes, yeah, that was. That pick was not what New England should have done. I mean, Bill had the slowest receiving core in the league and drafted three interior linemen and two kickers. Like, he got really tone deaf. I mean, you and I, 10 years ago, were questioning it at the end. It was pathetic. Like, he.
- [63:43]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, I remember in the beginning even questioning it, and people couldn't believe it was. It was almost as if, how dare you even question? Because we're talking about an impossible run for a franchise. So I'm surprised that we got on Belichick here, but here we are. I'd imagine he's going to be a head coach again. I can't imagine. I actually always thought after reading. I think it was the Haberstrand book about the relationship with he and his father. It was the education of a coach. Is that what it was called? It's really good. And I like reading about people that are successful. I like reading about their fathers. The Saban book, that was funny because Saban, I asked him when he was in studio, I was like, can I ask you about that book? He's like, well, you know, I didn't really have anything to do with it. I was like, I don't really want him to write it. I was like, well, I gotta tell you, Nick, like, it was really good. And it helped me understand you even more that it was kind of like nothing was ever good enough. Nothing was ever good enough. I grew up kind of like, you know, a very blue collar deal, but I think they owned like a gas station or something like that. I don't want to get any of this stuff wrong, so I, I should probably just stop. Oh, I remember that Right. And it, it made you appreciate Nick that he was almost fighting this ghost. Right. And Bill's thing was. Was way different. I think Bill's father embracing him the way that he did, and just the fact that three generations get to live this football life, you know, you get to see like the version of life I'm not actually choking up, I just need a glass of water. You get to see the version of life that people can, can execute. You know, like, as I get older, I start thinking like, it's. You don't know this when you're younger, but you're like, man, there's actually all these amazing things that you can do. Now granted, we're talking about somebody very specific, this line, coaching and all those things. But I was like, why wouldn't he just want to coach Navy? Be the head coach at Navy and be like, what an unbelievable final chapter. But competitively, I don't think he's ready for that any.
- [65:32]
Colin Cowherd
I think that's, that's going from. Going from the NFL to Navy is like a bridge too far. Like that's Naval academy is a different level of sacrifice. Whereas Carolina, it feels a little like pros it. There's, you know, they got nil transfer portal and you're in a major conference, you're recruiting, by the way, NFL athletes.
- [65:49]
Ryan Rosillo
But nobody's expecting you to win. Well, I mean, look, Navy had a nice year until they ran.
- [65:54]
Colin Cowherd
Army had a great team.
- [65:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Army had a good year. All right. You said something that I think was kind of Funny off the GM detour that we took there. Creatively, are you totally satisfied?
- [66:14]
Colin Cowherd
God, I don't think I ever would be. I think, you know, I started doing something on Sunday mornings. I write a piece every week with a guy named Scott Holmes, who I work with, and I put him on just on Twitter on the Sunday mornings or like two minute little vignettes. And I'm working on something. I can announce it. I can tell you off this podcast, I have an executive producer role on a show that I'm not writing, but chose with my friend Eric Tannenbaum, a writer. So I also. At dinner, I'm going to pitch you something and you. I really am interested in your opinion on it. So I'm working on some writing projects right now. I think, you know, when you do a three hour treadmill, you get. I have to read so many periods.
- [67:02]
Ryan Rosillo
Three hours?
- [67:03]
Colin Cowherd
No, a three hour radio show. Oh, oh, yeah, yeah. Three hours.
- [67:05]
Ryan Rosillo
Say on top of the radio show.
- [67:07]
Colin Cowherd
No. So when you do a three hour radio show, it. You're just the athletic.
- [67:11]
Ryan Rosillo
I have to see your ring.
- [67:13]
Colin Cowherd
I. I don't get to read as many books as I want. I don't get to do as much writing as I want.
- [67:18]
Ryan Rosillo
Sure.
- [67:18]
Colin Cowherd
And so that's why I'm doing these little Sunday sermons. That's why I'm doing this project with my friend Eric Tannenbaum that where we found a really gifted writer is that I need an outlet because it is a treadmill and I don't want to live my life just on a treadmill.
- [67:36]
Ryan Rosillo
So.
- [67:36]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, right.
- [67:38]
Ryan Rosillo
But I know that there was like even a Colin based show going back. Wasn't Rob Riggle going to play you?
- [67:45]
Colin Cowherd
Was that the plan we couldn't get? We pitched it to Les Moonves and they took a show that actually did very well with two young women that it did pretty well. It sustained for about five, six years.
- [67:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Two broke girls.
- [67:57]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, I think it was.
- [67:58]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that one did all right.
- [67:59]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that beat us out. We tried to get Will Arnett. We couldn't.
- [68:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, that would have been good.
- [68:05]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. So we tried to get Will Arnett and he was busy. And then we tried to get Greg Kinnear and he had a project. So it was actually. It was an interesting pitch. This is about the NFL and the patriarch dies. His son takes over and the sisters are smarter than the son. And the dad was really close to the son. And the sisters legally find a way to wiggle themselves into the power structure of the NFL team. And they hire a very Interesting. General manager, which I won't give it away. But Carrot Top, we went there and couldn't finalize the deal. So I guess to your point is.
- [68:54]
Ryan Rosillo
I think you like the adventure of maybe it happens, which you have to understand when you try to get into this stuff. Like in the six years that I've been here pursuing it, when I got off the plane, like, we already had a deal with a production company and I thought, like, man, I'm just that good.
- [69:09]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [69:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, I've got it. And it's like, nope, this is how it really works is like, you're closer, closer, close. And then I'll have days where I'm like, what's the point? What's the. You know, how much easier your life would be if you didn't want to do any of this stuff.
- [69:19]
Colin Cowherd
Right.
- [69:19]
Ryan Rosillo
And I'm. I just can't imagine, like in downtime not wanting to do something else. Like, I like my leisure time and I try to find it when I can, but if there's not something else that I'm working on, like in the back of my mind, think about your life.
- [69:33]
Colin Cowherd
Think about, think. I think about this all the time. I can get mathy this way. So everybody in this room, 24 hours. I sleep six and a half an hour for eating. I'm a fast eater.
- [69:43]
Ryan Rosillo
This is sound a little Navy sealish.
- [69:45]
Colin Cowherd
But let's go hour 15 for working out. I give myself about an hour a day of music or podcast listening. Just thought three hours of work, an hour before and an hour after prep and then drive home. Whatever those hours added up to, you got about seven more. And I'm not a social animal. So the point is, when you say, well, I got this thing on the side, not really. I mean, if you're reasonably time efficient, you have room for projects. Like, you sit and write every day like you should, you're too smart not to be doing something, and you start breaking down your life and even throwing in an extra hour here, hour here. You're like, yeah, I'm at. I'm at 17 hours. So to me, I like to stay busy. So a lot of times I'll go out, smoke a cigar on the deck, take a notepad, and I'll just write whatever comes to my mind. It can be a funny line, a funny rant, a podcast thought. I can't just look at plants and smoke a cigar. Like, I think people have more time than they think if you really break it down.
- [70:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, well, I don't think I'm a good comp. Because I don't have kids running around. And if I had kids, some of the stuff that I try to do, I'm like, okay, this is, this is why, like, you have to. I almost owe it to myself without having kids. I mean, like, if you're not gonna have kids and then you're not gonna do anything else, like, what's the point? Look, I want to finish here, because I do mean this, and I mean it sincerely, is that you and I have known each other a long time. I think it was cool that it wasn't, like, immediately hitting it off again. That's my Massachusetts thing.
- [71:18]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [71:20]
Ryan Rosillo
And then we become, you know, somebody I can trust, somebody I can talk to. We don't have a lot of people in the business that we can talk to.
- [71:27]
Colin Cowherd
Right.
- [71:27]
Ryan Rosillo
That really, like, you can love your wife, you can talk to somebody in your family, but it's just, there's not a long list of people. And I would say this because I think we both know who the good guys are. We know who the bad guys are, and you are and have always been one of the good guys. And you actually want other people to win and you root for other people that are the right people to root for. And, you know, look, we're not inducting you to the lifetime achievement award here, but I always wanted to say that to you because I don't know that I ever have. So. Thanks, man.
- [71:55]
Colin Cowherd
Oh, that's a nice thing. That's a great thing to say. No, it's a. I feel I said this to somebody the other day. I'm like, it may have been J. Mac. I looked at him before the show and I'm like. It was like last Monday. I'm like, we get to sit and talk about that crazy ass weekend. I'm like. And I just told him, never forget how lucky we are. I would have just. If I would have ran into a guy at Starbucks, I'd have said, hey, let's talk Georgia, Texas. I want to get this. I feel I'm so grateful. And Maybe in my 20s and 30s, I thought it was like, ode to me.
- [72:30]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
- [72:30]
Colin Cowherd
Like, I'm like, now I'm like, TV finally figured out the only interesting thing is sports. And then we have streamers and that we have a lot of interesting stuff and we all like it. But, like, I used to be.
- [72:43]
Ryan Rosillo
And scripted TV shows, scripted TV shows.
- [72:46]
Colin Cowherd
But it's like, I feel like I. I drive to work and it's just like, I'm gonna create a funny segment and a Funny line. And I work for smart people. I feel so lucky, you know? I know.
- [72:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. No, it isn't cringy, though, because I don't think you can get there. And I don't know who in their 20s or 30s would be that appreciative.
- [73:03]
Colin Cowherd
You're right.
- [73:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I don't. And I would. I'm not even blaming anybody. Like, if you're cutting the line in a good way and you're just so talented and you already, you know, you're not worrying about money the way that, you know, I'm sure you and I were worrying about money for a really long time when you get started in this whole thing. Because I do think that the path to success can be so much quicker now, which is kind of good. Like, I think in the beginning, maybe older guys have resented a little bit.
- [73:27]
Colin Cowherd
Yes.
- [73:28]
Ryan Rosillo
And you're like, you're already asking for this. You're already doing this. And now when I see younger people just kind of crush it.
- [73:33]
Colin Cowherd
How would you. How would you have done with TikTok, IG and YouTube? Like, I tell people all the time, I'm like, you know how lucky you are. Like, we didn't have those. Like, if you're talented, I've literally hired people right off X. I'm like, that she's funny. We got to go hire her. Like, it's amazing. Now there's all these virtual and digital resumes. It's amazing to me. Like, it's. I scour stuff all the time and I'm like, oh, that's really good.
- [74:03]
Ryan Rosillo
How did you get your first on air job? Because we, again, we're not the same age, but oh, my God, from the first. Yes. For when we got started, it can build resentment to a younger generation and be like, do you know how hard it is to get the first person to say, I will pay you to be on the air and talk and be seen, and I'm going to have that leap of faith in you despite the other thousands of options that I have. Where now you're like, I can just turn my phone around and now my content's out there and I. I can. It was a bit like the writer, the daily baseball guy on the grind, doing the gamers, doing the team notes. 162, 462. And then somebody starts up, like a pretty good fan prospective blog. And there would be an immediate resentment when that blog would all of a sudden get credentialed. And all of us just had to get over ourselves being like, hey, the dues are Going to be paid in entirely different ways now. So, like, you can sit around and waste time being pissed about this or just move the on.
- [74:58]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, yeah. My first job I basically like.
- [75:00]
Ryan Rosillo
How did you get it?
- [75:01]
Colin Cowherd
I got a job. I went to the baseball winter meetings. I called the Seattle Mariners announcer Dave Niehaus, and a young guy named Rick Riz.
- [75:08]
Ryan Rosillo
Did you study it in college? Broadcasting?
- [75:10]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, broadcasting.
- [75:11]
Ryan Rosillo
So did you have a school resume tape?
- [75:13]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, because I just did. I was on Air on K89 and I had a bunch of tapes, and they weren't very good, but I had them. And then I would go to a Mariners game and take a cassette and go upstairs. And so I had like 8 credits to go to Eastern Washington. I called the Mariners announcers. They said, go to the baseball winter meetings. Peter Uberoth was the commissioner. I drove down. I'm telling you, scary. Drove down. No money, $800, you know, in my pocket. I stayed in the Circle 8 motel chain, went to the meetings, and there were like four jobs and 400 guys. And I interviewed with Larry Kentop and Don Logan and, you know, had a line of bs. I just said, I'll do sales, sales, sales, if you just give me one inning of play by play. And they're like, yeah, yeah, sure. And then I got in there and I did better than I thought. And they gave me an inning of play by play. And it became. And then next week I got an inning. And then the next week. And luckily a guy named Hank Tester, who was a reporter, was a baseball fan, had listened and he said, hey, why don't you come over and try to get. I think you're really talented guy. Why don't you come over to our TV station, do an internship. We don't love our weekend sports guy. And so I said, okay. And then I called. And then, luck has it, I ran into the sports director at an ice cream shop on Sahara. It used to be an ice cream shop next to this restaurant called Ellis island with this fake Statue of Liberty. Anybody in Vegas knows exactly what I'm talking about. And I ran into Scott Reynolds was his name. He's now an anchor in, like, Louisville. Gracious, smart, looked like a local anchor guy. Chiseled guy, and really gracious. He taught me how to edit. It was like a mentor. And he didn't love the weekend guy, so he put me on that's a sweaty mess. And there you go. And then it was. And I was raw and doing a bad Bob Costas, but it just worked. And, you know, total And I was just lucky. I had either mentors or very patient people. And you know, it was like you people would view it as off putting, but I think you and I both had self belief that can be viewed as a little confrontational. I actually like that totally. But I was a little confrontational and like, I think I'm good and probably a little much for people, but it didn't turn off the right people. And the truth is when you're willing to work 60 hours a week for nothing, people will basically say, yeah, he's obnoxious, but you know, he's a hustler and he's getting better. And I think both of us, we could probably go back and look at that story.
- [77:38]
Ryan Rosillo
It's funny because I started in Play by play too. I wasn't very good. Were you good? No.
- [77:42]
Colin Cowherd
Not spoiler? Not really, no.
- [77:44]
Ryan Rosillo
Did you want to stay in play by play or were you like, hey, get me on tv?
- [77:47]
Colin Cowherd
You know, my dream was play by play. And then I started listening. There was a guy in our league named Ken Korak who's been the voice of the A's forever. Ken's really good.
- [77:57]
Ryan Rosillo
And I remember all these names because I used to have to read their credits when I was doing baseball highlights on game night, like 18 years ago.
- [78:04]
Colin Cowherd
And like, I work with enough really good guys and I heard enough and I'm like, yeah, I'm going to be doing the fifth inning of like an Astros game. That's the top. Like I identified myself pretty quickly as. But I do think I'm a good storyteller. I think I have a sense of humor and I'm really opinionated. And there was no sports talk radio, so I knew that I could work. I just didn't know what platform or how, but I thought it would work. And I was hostiler. And then hbo, a producer named Frank Belmont watched me on local TV in Vegas and he said, I need an English speaking overseas feat on all these fights. I have Lampley for the American version. And he goes, have you ever done boxing? And I'm like, no. He's like, I'm going to give you a fight. And I ended up doing like four Roy Jones fights and a couple big fights. And that I will acknowledge, I was better than I thought I would be. I'm actually really proud of how good I was.
- [79:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Do you have those audio?
- [79:02]
Colin Cowherd
I don't. And there's probably 15. And I will tell you, I was an. I was an okay sports anchor at best. I've done well in radio. Not A great writer. Not graded a lot, but in boxing, I'd listen to my tapes, and I was like, I don't know what's happening here, but I'm.
- [79:21]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm okay. So there's no. Do any of those exist?
- [79:24]
Colin Cowherd
Frank Belmont, I'm sure, had one, but.
- [79:25]
Ryan Rosillo
I remember you gotta play one of those on the show. 30 years in the business, I don't.
- [79:31]
Colin Cowherd
Know where they want. He was a wonderful man.
- [79:33]
Ryan Rosillo
We need a 30 year. Well, you're coming up on it. We need to celebrate. We need to make shirts. We need to get those boxing tapes, merch. And just think, 10 more years to go and you'll be done.
- [79:44]
Colin Cowherd
Isn't that crazy? It'll look different. But look at your career. Look how different it is now.
- [79:49]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I mean, I needed. I don't like to use the tech term disruption, but I wasn't even thinking of the term disruption when I was doing what I was doing.
- [79:57]
Colin Cowherd
You moved to what was available.
- [79:58]
Ryan Rosillo
I needed to disrupt whatever it was I was doing, and I probably need to do it every 10 to 15 years.
- [80:03]
Colin Cowherd
I feel the same way.
- [80:04]
Ryan Rosillo
I needed something different. And now we're neighbors. Look, let's go eat some dinner.
- [80:09]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [80:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Let's have a cocktail.
- [80:11]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [80:11]
Ryan Rosillo
I will tape the NBA game. I will watch it later to show you how well rounded I can be socially. So let's do it.
- [80:17]
Colin Cowherd
All right, buddy.
- [80:22]
Ryan Rosillo
You want details?
- [80:23]
Colin Cowherd
Fine.
- [80:24]
Kyle
I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.
- [80:27]
Ryan Rosillo
What's up?
- [80:29]
Colin Cowherd
I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly.
- [80:33]
Ryan Rosillo
Imagine, and best of all, kids, I am liquid.
- [80:38]
Kyle
So now you know what's possible.
- [80:40]
Ryan Rosillo
Let me tell you what's required. The email address, lifeadvicerrmail.com we have life advice. We have Kyle, we have Steve. We have Worgan mic'd up here. I think there are a couple cleanup items maybe before we get to the emails. I guess the cliffhanger was the worn tattoo situation. So Morgan is dialed in and ready to go. Kind of take it wherever you want. I just trust your instincts more than ever before. So go for it. What a mistake.
- [81:07]
Colin Cowherd
I don't know.
- [81:08]
Ryan Rosillo
I feel like there was a lot.
- [81:08]
Morgan
Of talk about, like, lion tattoos being bad.
- [81:10]
Ryan Rosillo
I got a lion tattoo. No, I didn't know it was a lion.
- [81:13]
Morgan
No.
- [81:14]
Colin Cowherd
I don't know what to say, man.
- [81:16]
Ryan Rosillo
Is it a friendly lion? Is it aggressive?
- [81:18]
Morgan
It's a Lion King tattoo, so it's very friendly. Oh, man. So it's okay.
- [81:23]
Ryan Rosillo
So you really like the movie? Very on brand for me.
- [81:25]
Morgan
Yeah.
- [81:26]
Kyle
Mufasa or Simba?
- [81:28]
Ryan Rosillo
It's like.
- [81:29]
Kyle
Don't tell me.
- [81:29]
Colin Cowherd
Scar.
- [81:30]
Ryan Rosillo
No, it's kind of like, you know, the painting.
- [81:33]
Morgan
Oh, yes. Like. Yeah, it's like a watercolor tattoo of that.
- [81:36]
Ryan Rosillo
Exactly. Yeah.
- [81:37]
Colin Cowherd
Okay.
- [81:38]
Morgan
Okay. Use a big Disney guy.
- [81:40]
Kyle
So faceless line, then faceless.
- [81:43]
Ryan Rosillo
All right.
- [81:44]
Kyle
It's like more art than anything else, I guess.
- [81:47]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah. Yeah, let's go with that. Up to you. Whatever.
- [81:50]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, yeah. Are they looking out over on the horizon? Is that. I don't know what it is. Did you take your shirt off for us?
- [82:00]
Morgan
No. Oh, boy.
- [82:03]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay. Yeah, that is.
- [82:06]
Kyle
That's Lion King right there.
- [82:07]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [82:09]
Ryan Rosillo
There's a lot of.
- [82:10]
Kyle
A lot of real estate for Lion King on that show.
- [82:12]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah, it's a big one.
- [82:13]
Kyle
Yeah, that's a big one.
- [82:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. So go ahead. I think the backstory would be awesome.
- [82:18]
Morgan
Yeah.
- [82:19]
Ryan Rosillo
I think Saruti's instincts were right on that as well.
- [82:23]
Morgan
Basically, it was like, growing up, me.
- [82:25]
Colin Cowherd
My mom, and my brother would play, like, a Sega Lion King game.
- [82:28]
Morgan
That game was awesome.
- [82:29]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [82:29]
Colin Cowherd
And so it's like the extra life.
- [82:31]
Morgan
And like, the save icon is what they are.
- [82:34]
Kyle
Wait, I thought you couldn't save in that. That was a Game Boy.
- [82:36]
Ryan Rosillo
Lion Game.
- [82:36]
Kyle
Lion King game for what they did.
- [82:38]
Ryan Rosillo
It's not a save.
- [82:39]
Morgan
If you died, you would go back to that point, right? Yeah.
- [82:42]
Kyle
Oh, yeah.
- [82:42]
Morgan
So it's basically those two icons is what I got. That game was sneaky hard.
- [82:46]
Colin Cowherd
It's tough.
- [82:47]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [82:47]
Kyle
And Aladdin.
- [82:48]
Morgan
Tough being like.
- [82:49]
Colin Cowherd
Aladdin's good, too.
- [82:50]
Morgan
Yep.
- [82:52]
Colin Cowherd
Yep.
- [82:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Do you still like the tattoo?
- [82:57]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [82:58]
Ryan Rosillo
Nice.
- [82:59]
Kyle
I'm saying that too. Good for you.
- [83:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [83:01]
Morgan
No plans to get it anymore.
- [83:02]
Kyle
I'm still saying that about mine. Good for you.
- [83:04]
Morgan
Not a full Lion King sleeve, though.
- [83:06]
Ryan Rosillo
No. That's not too huge.
- [83:07]
Colin Cowherd
It's big.
- [83:08]
Kyle
That was a big one.
- [83:10]
Colin Cowherd
Can't see it with a shirt on.
- [83:11]
Morgan
That, which is nice.
- [83:11]
Kyle
Is that Garfield on the shirt there now?
- [83:14]
Morgan
It's like an Ed Sheeran tour shirt.
- [83:18]
Colin Cowherd
Ed Sheeran guy blowing people's minds.
- [83:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Would Garfield have been a better answer?
- [83:28]
Kyle
Totally.
- [83:29]
Colin Cowherd
Who doesn't like a Sharon?
- [83:32]
Ryan Rosillo
A lot of people do, I guess. But yeah, the tattoos. I'm just freaked out by the tattoo because it's massive.
- [83:39]
Colin Cowherd
Yes.
- [83:40]
Ryan Rosillo
There's so much color to it. And I was wrong. I was totally wrong. But you know what? I think we're learning more about worn throughout this entire experience where you can't make assumptions. You can't. I think he's a non assumption guy. Yeah.
- [83:53]
Kyle
We assume there was no tattoos. We assumed he wasn't a big theater guy, and he was like, are you talking about, am I gonna see Wicked again? Yeah, probably. The answer is yes.
- [83:59]
Colin Cowherd
It's like, fuck.
- [84:00]
Kyle
Okay.
- [84:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Speaking of performance, the Markle thing made the rounds because I said it on Bill's live pod, because we were talking about Blake Lively, and I just felt like, to the live audience. It's funny, though. It's just always a lesson there where, like, I knew the Van Gundy part of the story would be funny because I hadn't told that part, and I don't think he would care, by the way. But, you know, the live audience, you can feel that they're enjoying the story or whatever. And then once Page Six picked it up, it was. It was all over. And for people that have listened, like, I've. I've told the story. I. I feel like it's pretty straightforward. But then it turned into a Page Six thing, which is just always a nice reminder, like, where you are when they don't use your name in the headline. They didn't even use Spotify. ESPN host. And then the funny thing is it got Community noted. Community notes, totally on my side, to give credit.
- [85:01]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [85:01]
Ryan Rosillo
But no, they were just like, he never asked her out. He simply asked her if she wanted to come on his radio show to promote suits, which she declined.
- [85:09]
Kyle
Can I. So about that photo you posted. Did you have the options to buy the rights to that? And you were like, I'm not a sucker. Or is that just all you could find with the. With the water. With the watermark on it, you two chatting it up?
- [85:19]
Morgan
Oh, the Getty.
- [85:21]
Kyle
Yeah, it wasn't even Getty. It was like a. It was like a lesser firm, whatever it was.
- [85:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. There's a picture of us talking while we're in between plays or something like that. I just thought it would be funny. I just thought it would be funny to put to the Page Six thing. And that was. That was simply it. But this story has lived on far too long for how insignificant it actually is. Although we had somebody else saying that it was actually a lead story. Not lead story is not accurate. It couldn't have been a lead story. But that in Australia made the news.
- [85:50]
Kyle
I love that somebody in her life is just like, hey, do you remember a guy named Ryan Rossello? She's like, no, like, well, never mind that. Don't read it.
- [86:02]
Ryan Rosillo
I can't imagine. I don't know. There's a lot. She has a lot going on. But you just wonder if there's still on the PR team that goes did you see this thing that popped up? And she's going, do we need to worry about this?
- [86:14]
Morgan
Yeah.
- [86:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. What is this?
- [86:18]
Morgan
Do we have to put out some, some denials here?
- [86:22]
Ryan Rosillo
No, they don't. They don't have to because I, I think the story was, was pretty straightforward. So anyway, I, I think, I think for people that had never heard it before, it's funny, but I think there's people that have been listening for a long time that would be like this again. I mean, that's kind of how I felt. All right, let's see here. Let's do a tattoo lawyer follow up because I thought this was really good. 56, 67, 255. No real gym stats, but I walked cardio, do push ups and lightweights at home. NBA comp is a guy you'd think would be good because of his size, but isn't. I feel the lot of so you play ball questions sigh yeah. 67255. You're going to get that I in follow up to the football guys getting out of law school wants to sleeve I've been a trial lawyer for nearly 30 years. Several years ago, during multiple sessions, I got a back piece that takes about two thirds of the surface area of my back. There's a tiny part that peeks up at the center of the nape of my neck. If you look carefully, I'm wearing a T shirt. Nothing shows. If I'm wearing a dress shirt, I would tell our guy. Unless you intend on office only practice, you're going to want to keep tats out of sight for work purposes. If you're going to go to court, be advised there are still some judges that are old school conservative types who will look askance. It's your ink. No matter how smart your arguments you're making in your case otherwise are, the last thing you want to do is compromise your client's case by exercising your right to make a statement with ink on your arms and give the court a reason to take you less than 100% seriously. I like the idea of being in court knowing that my back is covered in tats, but that no one, and certainly not the judge, has any idea. My tats are for me not to stick in anyone else's face, and my first duty is to my client, so I can't screw that up by showing off ink to the wrong judge. Just my two cents. Love the show. Thank you. I think he kind of nails it there, right? If you're going to be a trial lawyer.
- [88:17]
Kyle
Yeah. If you're going to Be a trial. Or maybe don't have the thing creeping up to the back of your ear from like your back piece.
- [88:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Like.
- [88:22]
Kyle
I got it makes sense.
- [88:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, but I mean, that's like a really. I don't know, I just really like his. His way maybe him being older.
- [88:32]
Kyle
Right. It was less about. It's more about the judge who like, is the person who runs shit and you. It's kind of a roll of the dice who you get. And he's like, there's still. You can still roll that number where that guy's like, oh, I hate this tattoo guy. It's just how it is now.
- [88:45]
Morgan
Yeah. This is the classic, like, you're free to do whatever you want in life and whatever legally, but like people are going to look at you and judge you different ways based on the things that you do or the stuff that you put on your body. So, like, being self aware about that is important. Like, cool. If you want to get a face tap, great. By all means. But it's probably going to hurt parts of your life. I don't know. It's probably going to. People are going to ask about it.
- [89:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, right. Is that the one with all the shit in her face?
- [89:14]
Kyle
Right. Which Kelly are you talking about? Spiderweb tattoo Kelly or regular Kelly?
- [89:20]
Morgan
Speaking of crazy back tats, the Affleck one is always the one that just blows my mind.
- [89:26]
Ryan Rosillo
That one?
- [89:27]
Morgan
Yeah, that nuts.
- [89:28]
Ryan Rosillo
That woke some dudes up.
- [89:30]
Morgan
I'm still not even sure, like, what was the decision process in that. It takes up his entire. It's colorful, his entire back. And he also doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would have that.
- [89:39]
Kyle
Just taking one more look at it.
- [89:41]
Ryan Rosillo
He doesn't, but I don't. I mean, you want to talk about non assumption guy? You know, I love him. Like, I just. I love him now. I don't know that I've ever liked him more. That's a weird one.
- [89:56]
Kyle
That's a weird tattoo.
- [89:58]
Ryan Rosillo
Why? Had you not seen it before?
- [89:59]
Kyle
No, I have. I just. I guess I never really zoomed in on it because, I mean, part of the funny part of that picture is that he's like standing like looking like, you know, Ben Affleck does sometimes just like. I don't know if it's towel or what. Yeah, like that's. That wasn't that of the photo for me. It was just his kind of footstance and the whole thing, it was just like, man. I guess I've been there too, so. Yeah, so I guess I never really zoomed in other than.
- [90:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Other than that.
- [90:27]
Morgan
I think that's something for him, though. Like the cigarette photo. That's good for him, right?
- [90:31]
Ryan Rosillo
If you're yourself, then everybody just kind of catches up. All right. Five nine one seven five. No special gym stats. This guy's asking at 41 is too old for Tinder. Former high school all conference second baseman and now lift in my basement. Free weights, lightweight, heavy rep. Sauna to sweat. No cold plunge, just a cold shower. Basketball comp. Ohio State. Aaron Kraft. Loved Aaron Kraft. Pesky defender everyone loves playing with and hates playing against. Yes, I play defense and pickup. I live in a small town in the Midwest. My dating options are limited, to say the least. I've been divorced for over six years. Nothing nefarious. At the end. We were just different. People grew apart. She's seven years younger than me. I follow that up with a four year relationship with an even younger woman 15 years younger than me. I hesitate to use any app to find a comparison. I'm old school, he said. While striking out. Anyway, I focused on my career. But since I am contemplating a shift in strategy, my two brothers have cautioned me against it. They're both married with kids and have given up all hope in life. Oh, I recall Rossillo dabbling on Raya. Not accurate. I talked about being. No, I was invited by a guy to join it and he was. He was selling me on how amazing it was and I still never did it.
- [91:48]
Morgan
Rye is kind of crazy, though, because there's the definition of famous. Like, I thought it was just like, for famous people. It's kind of not like. It just.
- [91:55]
Ryan Rosillo
It is, I think.
- [91:56]
Morgan
Yeah, it's just like if you have some money and you want to, I don't know, be. Have that sort of like cool prestige about you, I guess. I don't know. It's very weird.
- [92:05]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I remember a guy got busted on it very early because I was. I was just friends with both parties and I think his argument was. Well, no, they had just sent me the beta.
- [92:18]
Kyle
I was. I was helping him out.
- [92:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Like the suitcase episode app development? Yeah, it was a beta test, which is an unbelievable excuse. I actually, now that I think about it again, I kind of respect it.
- [92:36]
Morgan
Are you selling insurance? What's. What do you mean?
- [92:42]
Ryan Rosillo
Why are you in Cancun, though, in the picture? Did you have to upload a picture? Yeah, it's just testing the beta. The pixels just. Compression's amazing. I have no clue where to start or even if I should get on another app. Any thoughts? Appreciated. Love the pod. Would love to join Kyle for a heater if he makes it near Chicago. Okay. That's from Bob, who changed his name. I'm just telling you, as you get older, you should just have less apprehension about all this stuff. Like think of all the things you're still going to do wrong. Like sometimes I think navigating life, you're led to this belief that you're just going to not make mistakes, right? And I think the, the gravity of the mistakes, it would be light, it would be nice if the gravity lesson and you, you stopped making mistakes because you've learned your lesson and all these different things. But I mean, if you go on Tinder and it doesn't work as a 41 year old guy, then cool, you'll have had this six month experience on Tinder where it didn't work. And then what happens now? What's the problem there? There is no problem. I think people need to have. I don't know if apprehension is the right word. Maybe it is about all this stuff, like, I just, you know, it's really up to you. If you're lonely, if you don't feel like you have many options and you're kind of going through this extended period of time where you need some change for yourself, like, what's wrong? Your brothers who are married giving you a hard time, like, who cares? They're still going to be your brothers. And maybe they're right. Or maybe like, how about this part? Maybe we even think that there's a chance of a positive ending where you do meet somebody that you like and it seems like you like to trend a little bit younger here. So, you know, it might be a fit for you. So I think this is a very innocent approach. It's, it's part of, you know, I actually think you're kind of young to even be that worried about it, to be honest with you. So, you know, it's, it's one thing to tell your brothers or your friends, like, hey, I'm on Tinder, as opposed to being like, well, there's this twitch streamer with huge cans and I sent her a humidifier from her Amazon list. So we'll see how that goes.
- [94:44]
Kyle
That was awesome.
- [94:45]
Ryan Rosillo
You know, like, this is, I am in favor of humidifier of people doing this for themselves. It was on her wish list, right? Yeah, sure.
- [95:00]
Kyle
She's trying to be practical here. Somebody else isn't going to get her. I think if 50 is the new 40, that means 40 is the new 30. 30 is fine for Tinder. That's Okay. I think if you want to find younger women, Tinder is probably the pool to be swimming in. That's okay. I think if he doesn't want people in his town, his small town, to know he's on Tinder. Yeah, there you go. You got to consider what's important to you. It's not sad that you're doing it, but if you don't want this, you know, however many people that are in this maybe 2000 person town, I don't know what it is. Again, people think about you way less than you think they are. But if it's going to bother you that you're there and your shirtless profile picture is out there and people are going to see it and talk, then that's maybe a valid.
- [95:46]
Ryan Rosillo
Or you could have a shirt. Yeah, you could have a shirt on. We need to all collectively, like, be less repressed for stuff. That is not bad.
- [95:55]
Colin Cowherd
Sure.
- [95:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Serious, like. Okay, so what happens? I mean, play it out. Oh, no. You go to the local pharmacy and they know you're on Tinder. Now what? Now what happens?
- [96:04]
Kyle
The hair salon. My daughter said, tim, they charge you extra.
- [96:07]
Ryan Rosillo
They don't. No, you're right. It's fine. It. It really is fine. I don't even. I don't even know if any of these. These. These things exist the way that they do. And if they do, those people are far more outdated than your reservations about it. So like I said, like, what's the worst that could happen? You don't like the experience, you learn that you don't like that experience, and then you change your approach after this experience.
- [96:34]
Kyle
Yeah. Maybe try eharmony. I always think once you get up, up in the. Up in the ranks there, maybe. Maybe do something a little more serious.
- [96:41]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know. Those ads, they're.
- [96:43]
Kyle
I haven't seen them in a while. I wonder if they're even still around.
- [96:46]
Morgan
Yeah, that this will be that. Everybody dies. Yeah.
- [96:52]
Kyle
Fucking heater today.
- [96:53]
Ryan Rosillo
That's a little old, I think, for our boy here.
- [96:56]
Morgan
Match.come Harmony.
- [97:00]
Kyle
I'm getting all these sponsored things now. Single and over 50. Date my age. Dot com.
- [97:06]
Ryan Rosillo
He doesn't want to, though.
- [97:07]
Kyle
I know. That's. That's not. That one's not for you.
- [97:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I think the riot thing is simply a recommendation. So again, it was years ago. I was with this guy in New York. He was. He was a Raya guy. He was like. He was shocked. He's like, you're not on this. I was like, no, on tv. Then you hear Ben affleck's on it.
- [97:28]
Morgan
Yeah, John Mayer's on there. So, I mean, listen, there's no shame in that.
- [97:32]
Ryan Rosillo
It's fine. Maybe.
- [97:34]
Morgan
Maybe I can Marco on there.
- [97:36]
Kyle
You can afford a country, you know, why not?
- [97:39]
Ryan Rosillo
I think we're gonna leave the Meghan Markle ones alone. She doesn't seem to care about hair.
- [97:50]
Colin Cowherd
Yep.
- [97:52]
Ryan Rosillo
All right. All right. I think I have a. I think I have one here that I was. I was saving for a little bit. See what we got. Saving it for a Wednesday. We want to do a statute of limitations on an X. We have that one. Got another bartender deal here.
- [98:13]
Kyle
I'm always interested in bartender. Like, what do I do in this situation sort of deal.
- [98:18]
Ryan Rosillo
No, I think it's a move thing. So we'll hold off. Maybe we'll cue it. It's there. This one's good. It's unique. It's quick. Maybe we can do two more. All right. Hey, gang. Make it quick. I work at a tire shop and caught some fellas stealing my tire. Boss, her son and I were watching the camera footage, and my boss's son said, damn. Looking a little flat on that speed. As he watched me go after the thief. I panicked and said, well, yeah, but I used to run a 4240 in high school. He was mind blown. I'm 28. I was quick back in the day, but certainly not that fast. Am I a loser? That's not a scene from Gillis, right?
- [98:53]
Morgan
I don't think so.
- [98:54]
Kyle
No, I don't think so.
- [98:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Just making sure.
- [98:56]
Morgan
But the old I was good in high school check tape is always a great line.
- [98:59]
Kyle
Four two is like.
- [99:00]
Ryan Rosillo
Four two is legend. World class.
- [99:03]
Kyle
Ridiculous.
- [99:05]
Morgan
That's a good call.
- [99:06]
Ryan Rosillo
This guy's jumping out of a plane, not doing a 4:2. So I don't. I don't know.
- [99:12]
Morgan
I feel like you get drafted alone just running a four. Anyone that runs a four two just gets drafted.
- [99:16]
Kyle
Yeah, stash that. Special returning kicks or something.
- [99:22]
Ryan Rosillo
Yes, I think you're right. I think if you're a 4:2, people are making you do stuff like, here's some pads. Just. We'll see how it goes. See if this guy can catch four two, man. How did you get to four two? Were you. He said he was panicked, so there you go. He got to a 4:2. I think you just have to hope it never comes up again. But if 4:2 is so fast, he may be bringing people over to meet you. I think I'm more interested in the footage of you chasing after a guy stealing your tires.
- [99:52]
Kyle
Yeah, it's just like. It's like in the same category of, like, lying about a movie you've never seen. If it never comes up again, it's like, cool. That guy thinks I saw this movie. If it does come up again, not only like, is this weird. It's like, God, what else do you think he's lying about? That's so weird. Why would you. Aren't we, like, 40? What's. I don't know the age. But I mean, you get a certain point where it's like, you know, don't lie about what you did last summer. It's not fucking cool. You learn that, you know, So I.
- [100:17]
Morgan
Probably lied about my 40 time, though. I've definitely lied about my 40 time. Yeah, like, you know, all right. To who?
- [100:23]
Kyle
To who?
- [100:24]
Morgan
When I was like, you get to college, you're like, oh, yeah, sure. In high school would, you know? Yeah, I ran a 4, 6.
- [100:29]
Kyle
I think you get out of college in that whole, like, I can be anybody who's gonna know. And then. Then you go back to being a normal person. Right. So after post college, though, you're being honest about your 40 times.
- [100:39]
Morgan
Yeah, at that point, I don't think I. If you care. It's a little.
- [100:42]
Kyle
You stopped cheer guys in bars and you started telling the truth about your 40s.
- [100:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [100:45]
Morgan
You know, you're playing, you know, the intramural flag football, and you want to impress the GU guys. You're like, yeah. I mean, I was more laterally quick than I was line quick, but, you.
- [100:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Know, that's what people with slow 40s say.
- [100:53]
Morgan
That's true. Yeah, you're.
- [100:55]
Ryan Rosillo
You're right.
- [100:55]
Morgan
So that's why I lied about it.
- [100:58]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that's what I used to always say is like, you get the ball in my hands, I'm just. You can't clock it. But yeah, just straight line speed.
- [101:03]
Morgan
There's pad speed and there's, you know, track speed. Come on.
- [101:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, game speed. Honestly, why can't anyone figure out with your 4:2 background, if you're not a 4:2 now, how you couldn't catch guys running away with tires?
- [101:19]
Morgan
Well, did he want with tires?
- [101:20]
Kyle
It's funny.
- [101:22]
Ryan Rosillo
Definitely. Imagine what's your 40 with a tire that's slow. Yeah, that's gotta be. The tires are tough to run around.
- [101:29]
Kyle
Looking a little flat there. So that's so funny, too.
- [101:34]
Ryan Rosillo
I think Kyle's right. You just hope it doesn't come up again. But that's. That's going to be a tough one. I lied about.
- [101:40]
Kyle
Tells you if he's 4 2. You should be able to Google that guy for something. Like there's some.
- [101:45]
Morgan
You should go.
- [101:50]
Ryan Rosillo
The kid. The kid. Next time you see me, like, can we pull up your huddle?
- [101:54]
Morgan
Because you know, you know what's funny is I one of my wife's friends, her husband, like, we hang out periodically. He played soccer in college and he, he played soccer with this kid that I went to high school with who was like legendarily fast. You always remember the fast kid in high school. Like, you know, like it could be however many years later and like, yeah, I remember that guy. He ran. You know, he was that dude, a soccer player. Like he was unbelievable. You just always, for the rest of your life, remember who the fastest kid I feel like you grew up with was. It's like a universal dude law. And so if you. So you better be that guy.
- [102:29]
Kyle
Universal dude law. I've never heard that before. That's good.
- [102:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I lied about it once at this bar in Boston.
- [102:36]
Kyle
You guys all lied about your food.
- [102:38]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know why I did it. I don't even know why I did it because I came in front of. I did it in front of, I think the guy who ended up being the Bosa brothers trainer, this awesome guy from Boston College. And he just called me right out. He was like, you would be in the NFL if you ran that fest. And I went, yeah, maybe I would be. And I don't even know why I did it. And I was talking to this girl. It didn't even make any sense. It didn't make any sense. Like she would have been. She was either going to like me or not like me. And it was going to have nothing to do with my 40 time. But I don't know, I was just. I actually remember the spot in the scenario leading up to it. It was kind of like this last ditch effort thing as you were leaving town. He'd be like, let's stop there for last call. And it was like on your way out of town. And then we were together and whatever. I actually think I lost. He lost all respect for me pretty quickly, I think as that happened and called me out immediately in front of everybody. And I just want to let him know that I appreciated that. I learned from it, became better and respected it. And then he went on the boces. Yeah, I mean the guy was just an absolute stud of human beings. So thanks for that if I never thanked him.
- [103:38]
Colin Cowherd
But.
- [103:38]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that's. That's sort of weird. I don't. Four two is fast, brother. Four two is really fast so you may become the four two guy in your town. Yeah okay, let's do this one because I like it. It's unique. 23 years old 6 foot 3185 bench 180 slot 220 excuse me 255 don't want to cheat them hang clean 205 all right, couple hang cleans in the mix pickup comp 10th grade JJ Redick Ken and Will Bold font all caps shoot it from everywhere on the core all while talking a ton of all in the spirit of competition. I'm freshly out of college where I played D2 golf for 4 years. Love the golf talk by the way. A lot of requests for a full Pinehurst recap. Not sure that it's been a couple months. I'm not sure we're going to do it where I also met my girlfriend of two and a half years. I started listening to you guys a couple months ago as I started my core a career and I enjoy the in depth NBA talk as well as life advice. Thanks for some background that will be relevant to the rest of the story. I grew up in a small rural town where everyone knew everyone. Small town in it today. Small Town America Life advice and if you were a good athlete and you were the best in just about every sport or activity. I realized that being the best in small town doesn't reflect in larger cities all that often. But I'm naturally very competitively highly motivated and was lucky enough to play higher level AAU basketball under Arkansas Under Armour circuit during my high school years. I recently asked my girlfriend of two and a half years to marry me. She said yes. Super pumped for the future. She's okay. This is a lot of information so let's just I don't Fresh out of college.
- [105:09]
Kyle
Maybe give him a break. Yeah, maybe not. Thinking this one through.
- [105:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Her college basketball resume is incredible. Let me just say that for the audience and for you too. But he gets a little specific about it and maybe it doesn't matter because this isn't that big of a deal. But you know, I always like to try to make it as as vague as we can without the specifics because I think if I explain her entire resume here, people will figure out who it is and maybe it doesn't even matter anyway, so the resume is incredible. Back to the email. She is better than me at most if not all competitive stuff we do together. Hear me out. It first became apparent when we were dating as I would use my rebounding passing skills to help her with her basketball workouts, shooting drills. At the end of these workouts, she would always challenge me to game a one on one and then a free throw competition. At first, I want to do the chivalrous thing, let her win, smile through it. Even though my competitive side was burning, as we did this more often, she started to call me out on this and gave me a pass to play her normal without utilizing my physical advantage too much. Our main rule is I can't block any shots about if I am out of defensive position. Okay. Yeah. I would imagine that she would tell you, I don't want you not trying here. Let's go. Long story short, she kicks my ass in the regular and at best, I can beat her about 40% of the time. I know I haven't played competitively outside of weekly pickup, but I also know I'm not washed up. I mean, yeah, dude, you're. You're 23. As my skills aren't completely gone. Washed up. Yeah. And there's nothing that bothers me more when somebody's in their 20s and like, I'm just getting old like you. On the other hand, it only gets worse. Every single card game, board game, crossword, dominoes, any other competitive event, she will beat me. And I've recently found that even in the games I'm initially better at, she will play until she gets good enough to beat me outright. For example, I played cribbage. I know old man's game. We will not, we will not talk shit about cribbage. There is these guys at one of the places I used to work a long time ago. They got together, they get their butt bottles and they play rounds and rounds of cribbage. And I'd be like, man, those guys look like they get a nice, simple, simple time. You play any cribbage, Kyle? You ever get googling it?
- [107:11]
Kyle
Right now, what the hell am I looking at here?
- [107:13]
Ryan Rosillo
Honestly, I'm. My Christmas gift to you. I'm sending you a nice cribbage set. So text me. Is it a board game?
- [107:18]
Morgan
Is it a card game?
- [107:19]
Kyle
I don't know.
- [107:19]
Colin Cowherd
It looks kind of.
- [107:20]
Kyle
I can tell it's not, but I don't know.
- [107:22]
Ryan Rosillo
No, it's a card game where you, you keep track of the point system or whatever and you get a little board and then you have the things and you move them around. Honestly, I can't believe you don't play it because it's going to be your new favorite thing. Kyle's going to be a huge cribbage guy. A year from now, he's going to be entering tournaments. So he played a lot growing up, whereas I just taught her how to play and she already found the skills needed to beat me on a regular basis. Less than two weeks after the first learning. That's quick. It's now to the point where I feel like all I have is golf. And I also get internally frustrated by the constant losing. Even though I love the genuine competitive aspect of our relationship, as a man, have I lost all respect? Do I embrace the fact that I'm marrying one of the people who just have the it factor? Should I utilize this to dominate other couples in team related activities? Do I start practicing more in my free time to level the playing field? What would you guys do in this situation? Call off the engagement. You can't be losing for the rest of your life now. I think you're just going to be psyched that you found somebody that is. I get it. It could get a little old, but it might be one of the rare marriages where iron sharpens iron. And I don't know if you're about to take a knee here in a non proposal way on the whole deal and kind of give up because it certainly doesn't sound like you want to do that. But I think this is such a great part of somebody's makeup.
- [108:46]
Kyle
You know, your greatest rival is your wife.
- [108:50]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Like nobody's sitting here, be like, hey, this is going to be awesome. Because if you reverse it the other day and be like, I just dominate my wife. Every single category. It's just amazing. She's taking L's for seven straight years.
- [109:00]
Morgan
Keeps her sharp.
- [109:01]
Kyle
She knows, right? She knows.
- [109:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Although the competitive nature thing, whenever there's a broadcast like that gets, that gets like we were talking before about how like when somebody takes a knee before running into the end zone for the extra score, where I think sometimes the extra score would, would be fine, but then everybody just freaks out because you're like, man, this guy gets it. He took a knee right before the, the other one that announcers love is like some backstory. How competitive? Like they were playing shoots and ladders and he assaulted his seven year old cousin. This guy, you don't think he wants a first down? Like, ah, I got a guy dreams about winning. Right. I got to tell you, Dan is. The coaches said the same thing. He's just got an edge to him.
- [109:43]
Morgan
Did you see the Jamar Chase thing, by the way? Somebody, I think somebody asked him like, hey, did you think about going down? I guess it was the Monday Night Football game against the Cowboys, he was like, no, I just wanted to score, to be honest with you. And he just laughed it off. I'm like, that's. Yes, I want more of that. Like, that Ohio State one was ridiculous. Like, don't be. Like, you went on this ramp. But, like, he's selfish. It's fine.
- [110:02]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, the Ohio State one, I get it. Like, there are times where it's like, hey, it's run the clock. They don't have. The game is now over. I mean, because there's other times a guy gets a pick and they're up only one score, and he starts running around, you're like, dude, go down. Like, what are you doing? But there's other times where I wonder if you're doing it, because you actually are going to get more praise than the actual touchdown. I mean, the Jamar Chase one. Like, get to the end zone. That one.
- [110:26]
Morgan
Yep.
- [110:26]
Ryan Rosillo
That score was tied. I don't. You know, whatever. All right, so, look, I don't know that I would have liked this at 23. You know what? Now that I think about it, trying.
- [110:36]
Kyle
To remember back, but if I were.
- [110:40]
Ryan Rosillo
Going to start a family with someone and this was a part of her personality, like, something that she would want to instill in our children, I think it's such a win. I think it's such an advantage to grow up in a competitive household. You know, it was funny because my father and I were just at each other's throats, not like in a. In a. Like, the way he raised me and that we didn't see eye to eye. I'm just talking on the competitive stuff. It was nasty. Like, it was just all the time. Everything we did was a competition. And I was the oldest, you know, so I'm. I'm his first kid. I'm his son, and, you know, he's got the athletic background, and I would say my whole thing is fairly disappointing. But leading up to it, it was everything. And my mother did not understand it, and she hated it. Like, if we were playing miniature golf and it'd be like a little family thing or something, and then my father and I would be like, okay, okay, what are the rules? And, like, let's figure this out. And this is what we would do, and she would just walk away. She was so uncomfortable around it. She didn't understand it. She hated it. It made her uneasy. And she was like, if you guys are going to do this, like, I'm not going to be part of it. And we would just be like, Beat it. You know, like, fine. The fact that you are somebody that played college sports, you certainly have this in you. If you're good enough to play golf, you obviously have some mental toughness there. I think the long term payoffs for this are going to be so much better for you, especially if you want to have kids together, than how annoying it probably is right now at 23 years old to lose to your wife and everything. And I would say start blocking her shot. Start blocking her shot.
- [112:21]
Morgan
Yes. Fair game.
- [112:22]
Kyle
By the way, when you said that thing about your dad, I was just thinking, like, wasn't there somebody who said his biggest hater was his dad? It was Ja Morant. He was like, my dad's my biggest hater.
- [112:30]
Colin Cowherd
I was just thinking about it. That's awesome.
- [112:34]
Kyle
Yeah. He's got that quote saying, like, my biggest hater is my dad, so you can't do anything to me.
- [112:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Cool, man.
- [112:41]
Morgan
Yeah. I would say this. The problem with this though is like, it kind of can't get to the buddies because you're never going to hear the end of this. So it's all well. And I agree with you, like the think about the, you know, having kids and like the athletic background that your kids are probably going to have. There's a good chance that you're not going to be paying for college. There's going to be some scholarships in your future, which is great, all good stuff. But you can't kind of get around in the group chat and the core group of guys that your wife is beating you in most sports, like, that's. I know it's 20, 24. It's just not going to fly. It's not going to fly.
- [113:08]
Kyle
Yeah. Have a kid. You can beat that guy for like 20 years. That's cool.
- [113:13]
Morgan
Whoa.
- [113:14]
Ryan Rosillo
20.
- [113:15]
Colin Cowherd
Yeah.
- [113:15]
Kyle
All right, 18.
- [113:16]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know. I can't imagine what it's like to be a dad and then lose that first time you lose to your son in like one on one basketball in the driveway. And it's real proud.
- [113:26]
Morgan
Yeah, right.
- [113:28]
Kyle
Probably. But, you know, the dynamics have just changed in a way. You know what I mean?
- [113:33]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Because I remember there was a hoop.
- [113:35]
Kyle
This kid's gonna start feeling bad for me in a couple years. God damn it.
- [113:39]
Colin Cowherd
We were, we.
- [113:40]
Ryan Rosillo
I was back for the summer. We were doing a summer job and I think it was the first fill out stage post 18 or whatever. And there was a hoop and there was lunch and my story. Yeah. He was looking at the hoop and he was like, lunch. I was like, yep. And I And it was a little low, too. And once I realized I could dunk on it, I was like. Like the worst. I was staring him down and yelling, dude. And he was like, if you're gonna play, like, yeah. He was like, if you're gonna play like this, we're just not gonna play. And I was like, oh, you don't like it, huh?
- [114:09]
Morgan
Respect the game. Yeah, yeah.
- [114:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Your bony ass elbow into my Adam's apple from age 7 till 15.
- [114:20]
Kyle
Yeah, I actually hate that every time I hear it. I really do.
- [114:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, it was bad. It was really bad. He was like, this is. You're just gonna be an yell stuff. Because once I could dunk on this thing, I was like, oh, I got this from the side. I was like, I'm going to put this guy in the fucking blender. Hey, man. Just has to happen. It has to happen. You know, he respected it. I think deep down, he respected it. Yeah.
- [114:46]
Kyle
Well, day was only half over, though. Couldn't, like, go home. That kind of sucks. No, like. All right, see you tomorrow. I'll sleep on this.
- [114:53]
Ryan Rosillo
He probably regretted buying my meatball sub that day. All right, that'll do it for life advice. Thanks to Wargon. We've got to get that picture up.
- [115:05]
Morgan
This is. Hey, watch the YouTube. Watch it on YouTube. There you go.
- [115:08]
Kyle
It's a great.
- [115:09]
Ryan Rosillo
There you go. For you to watch it on YouTube and subscribe to our YouTube page. Hope you enjoyed today's episode. I'll do a big. I owe you a big NBA open, but I just didn't feel like we had enough with the two games. So we'll do some kind of the.
- [115:21]
Morgan
Well, we did stuff that's picking up Jalen Suggs. You know, it's put on a show. No big deal, but it's a good night.
- [115:28]
Ryan Rosillo
You don't. Don't love that second to last ISO 3, though.
- [115:30]
Morgan
Didn't love that. I would agree, but there was a lot more to like than dislike.
- [115:34]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, the Giannis off ball cuts are just so filthy and ridiculous. It's actually more dangerous than him getting downhill with the ball. So they've done a really good job with him. All right, that's talking NBA. Please subscribe, as we said, to the YouTube page and you can download the Ryan Russell podcast right here. Spotify must be 21 and older. Present in select states. For Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 + and present in D.C. gambling problem. Call 1-800-Gambler or visit rg-help.com call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chat in Connecticut or visit mdgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gambling helpline ma.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text Hopeny in New York.