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The Ryen Russillo Podcast
Yanks Pack Up the Sox, the Strange 4-0 Eagles, and Fixing the Ravens With Kevin Clark. Plus, Is Kyle Shanahan a $30M coach?
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Foreign on today's episode of the Ryan Rosilla podcast, I'll do a little baseball for you. An all time night from Cam Schlitler. Yep, you've heard all the puns by now, but he was there you go. You can do it again. You do it all day if you want to. Just a historic performance like he actually was doing stuff we have not, you could say technically ever seen. With the combination of velocity, the final box score and shutting down this Red Sox lineup that may or may not have four guys that are probably utility players in this lineup, my disappointment level. It was a good run. It's a good run. I picked up this Red Sox run late September and you know it's early October, so I'm okay. I'm not damaged. So we're going to talk about that a little bit. But more importantly, we're going to talk football with Kevin Clark. We're going to throw a bunch of the big games. We're also going to talk bigger picture on the OC mind as the head coach. It gets aggressive at some point and then of course his thoughts on Miami's big turnaround this season, which we thought we did last year, but it does feel a little bit different this time. We've got an alliance pick and Kyle is here for life advice. Enjoy. This is the Ryan Marcilla podcast presented by FanDuel, and if you're betting on the NFL, FanDuel is the place to do it. They've got everything. Same game parlays, quick bets for when you want to jump in live and your way so you can set your own lines. The app's fast, it's easy to use, and best of all, when you win, you get paid out instantly. Download the FanDuel app or go to FanDuel.com Ryan R Y E N to get started. The ringer is committed to responsible gaming. Please visit rg-help.com to learn more about the resources and helplines available and listen to the end of the episode for additional details. Must be 21 plus and present in select states 18 plus in D.C. kentucky and Wyoming. Gambling Problem Call 1-800-Gambler or visit rg-help.com Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org Chatincenectic Cam Schlitler that is the story last night and it's the kind of story for baseball fans that are going to get you excited probably about the next 10 years. There is nothing, nothing that would get me more excited back in the day about the hope of Having, like, a top of the rotation prospect step up and be, like, my favorite thing ever for the next 10 years. And I'm not saying that's going to happen. I have no idea. The numbers are incredible. From Schlitler last night, historic. He hit 98 plus miles an hour on 64 of his 107 pitches. Okay? He went eight scoreless, five singles, no walks, 12 strikeouts. You can actually look at that box score and say, he's, like, the first guy to do this ever. There's also one, like, the first rookie to throw this many strikeouts in an elimination game since Levon Hernandez, which Jeff Passon posted that last night and showed us the YouTube video of the umpire getting excited about being part of history on top everything else that I've watched that a few different times. Levon and that strike zone that he was getting, and you're just like, man, this is fun. So that's the kind of thing that you didn't just win the series. Yankees fans, you're going, wait a minute, do we have a dude now? Do we have a dude now that we can put in between our two lefties as you go up against Toronto? Because every single thing from that box score, and that's just. It's just the best. It's the best. When you're a baseball fan and you're like, do we have a homegrown guy who's going to be a stud? Who, by the way, is also from Walpole to make it even worse for the Red Sox. How am I doing? Thanks for asking. I'm okay. Really good. Doing really good. And I'm serious. These used to be the kind of things that'd be devastating. I may even taking the night off or the day off, or maybe because I took the night off, I then would need the day off. But this was. This was okay. I was okay with it. I was late to the game with the 25 Red Sox. I was still sort of pissed about a lot of different things. And when you're younger, you get pissed about even more things. You know, when you're younger and you identify with a baseball team, I think it has a lot to do with, like, who we are as young men. We don't have a family yet. Maybe we don't have a career that we love. Maybe none of you even volunteer, you know? So you go, hey, I need something. I need something. I can't be like, now. I think guys will wear, like, beanies, right? But back in my day, the move was you just get really into baseball, you know, or maybe you love tool and you argue about time signatures. I don't. You know, like, no, dude. No, dude. That's seven, eight. So that's what I used to be like pre 2004. These kinds of losses make me miserable. I'm okay with it now. 2004 helps. Also being older, also feeling there's other stuff going on. And it's also my job every single day. And I don't know how it happened. For me, I wish it hadn't. Although it feels a little bit healthier on a day like today. But this Red Sox team, you can't play that way and get against. Get it going against this Yankees team like that. Whatever. The bullpen advantage that Boston had didn't really come into play with this whatsoever. Sure. In game one, even though that almost got ugly. But if you look at game two like, that's the game, just a million mistakes. You've got Duran in left field. You got the Rafaela bunt. You've got Whitlock, who's been one of the best relievers in baseball, not coming through. Eaton not scoring from third, The Jazz Chisholm dive saving a run. So there was just so many mistakes in game two, and their defense wasn't very good. And look, they're just not that great of a team. If you look at that lineup, you're going, there's like four guys in here that probably shouldn't be in a division contending teams lineup to start the 26 season. So, look, congrats to the Yanks and congrats to Jimmy Fallon. I'm making this public right now. If invited on the Fallon show as a guest. I'm not going on. It's not because I didn't realize that Fever Pitch wasn't a documentary. It's just that, dude, I'm telling you, when the Sox won and they were filming all that stuff, that guy was on the field, non footage moments, just running around like it had finally happened. It's like, dude, stick to the script. Stick to the script. I don't know if it was B roll, if it was B roll, maybe I'll retract my rejecting the invitation to the show. But, you know, that stung. That stung for a lot of. Luckily, I'm old enough to deal with it now, but there's a lot of kids out there that grew up on Fever Pitch that don't even fucking know what to do now. This message is a paid partnership with Apple Card. Choosing the right credit card can be tough. But I've got some good news. You can stop searching. Try Apple Card. It's easy to use and even easier to pay down your balance with no hidden fees ever. Listen, the sports calendar is full and the holidays are basically here. It's an expensive time of the year. And Apple Card is great for earning daily cash back on all of those purchases. That includes getting gifts for your family, getting tickets to a game, and even buying that ugly sweater you'll only wear once. So apply for an Apple Card today. It's easy. Just go to the Wallet app on your iPhone. Subject to credit approval. Variable APRs for Apple Card range from 18.74% to 28.99% based on creditworthiness rates as of October 1, 2024. Apple Card issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA Salt Lake City Branch terms and more at applecard. Com Talk some football Kevin Clark joins us now from espn. Old friend from his time at the Ringer. Also, this is football out multiple episodes per week. What's good, man? Good to see you.
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I'm just, I'm excited. Good college weekend, Florida State, Miami and then decent NFL weekend and then baseball playoffs, which are happening.
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That's right. All accurate statements. I'm going to get to Miami, Florida State with you because I know how excited you are about your canes. Because I think you should be excited about your canes. Let's start because I didn't do a lot on it last night's game. Yeah. So you've got Mac Jones out there with no receiving production from the 24 season. I think the throw on the touchdown to start the game to the tongus touchdown. I guess that'd probably be the second one. Just him kind of giving up on the route and being like, I gotta get this out because it's there now. Showed me something. The roughing, the passer throw showed me something. And then just him moving around and just finding different ways to get him involved while he's dealing with his PCL injury. So we know we've kind of seen this Shanahan story before, but what does this say about Mac Jones and San Francisco in general to you? Not only the team part of this record with these injuries, but just who he is now versus kind of what I thought of him post in New England and Jacksonville where I thought he was terrible.
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This is what we were begging for was to see Mac Jones in this offense. And I've always joked like it's not quarterbacking is not like F1 where you get to see the driver in the same car as the other driver. Like you don't get to compare and say there's two McLarens. They have basically the same car. Let's see how it goes. Right. Quarterbacking is different. So we never got to see the Brock Purdy versus Mac Jones. Just like running this. Running the same car. See who's better, right? See who's better in the corners. And now we're kind of getting to see it. And it's. It's a Kyle Shanahan testament, the fact that last night Mac Jones had the second most yardage on short passes out of any quarterback this year. He was basically throwing a lot of his work within 10 yards. I think that's. That's by design, but it's also. He's getting the ball out quickly, and he. He doesn't have. Ricky Pearsall is out. Like, he doesn't have some of the weapons that. That you're supposed to have if you're the Niners quarterback. And so I was so impressed with everybody last night. That was an amazing Kyle Shanahan win. Because I've been down on Shanahan in the. Maybe three or four years ago because it was. It felt like when. When Jimmy Garoppolo would get hurt, they would. Everybody would just give up on the season. And for that win last night, when everybody is unbelievably hurt and you've got Bosa out and you've got a lack of depth anywhere everywhere, to grind that out and to make Mac Jones into what he was last night, I'm just. I'm so impressed with. That was an organizational win to me. And now we get to do the discourse of what. What should have happened in the draft with. With Mac Jones and should they have taken him third overall or whatever? Like, I don't even know if that matters. Like, it's. It's Kyle Shanahan. Kyle Shanahan can create a top 10 quarterback, which to me means you should take Kyle Shanahan ahead of almost anybody except maybe five or six quarterbacks in this league.
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Oh, wow. This is very Brad Stevens ish.
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Yeah. Yes. Like, there was a stat Rosillo a couple years ago where if you just did the top seasons by yards per attempt, it was like five of them in his, like, in history. Like, five of them were Shanahan quarterbacks. Like, he creates yards per attempt monsters, which is the most. Which is an efficiency stat. He creates efficient quarterbacks. So I. There's a. There's not a lot of guys where. If you're drafting personnel, I'd say, I want that guy over Kyle Shanahan.
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So it's funny because I was going to actually not do this now because I was thinking about it as an opening on a slower day, but let's just do it, because I'd rather do it with you. Because one of the things about, like the most important person for your organization, one of the things that I used to think was really silly is like, okay, so Theo Epstein's gonna make 1.5 million, but Craig Grabeck's gonna make 5 million. Like utility infielder is going to make. But a lot of it has to do with kind of the standard of what that job pays you. This is something I talk about all the time. Like, if I think about how many people listen to Pardon My Take, and I don't know how much those guys make, but I probably could guess, and then how much like late night TV hosts make. And yet if you looked at Pardon My Takes, audience versus the audience for these late night hosts. But we grew up with the idea that that was the marquee job in television, that those people always. It's an eight figure deal, it's 20 plus million. It's just kind of what it is. You have your person who's like the anchor of your late night tv. It's still kind of this. People can say whatever they want about network, but it's still on in a lot of homes. But the actual viewership is so down dramatically from what we grew up with. But yet the standard, if I ever told like a buddy, like, hey, I think the guys from part of my take should make more money than fill in the blank talk show host. Because I know that's its own topic on top of everything else. What you're saying about Shanahan is exactly what I was thinking last night. It's like, if this guy is this good, we can get in the fucking timeouts and should have done this, should have done that. Like, I just think that's so small on the pie chart of what's important. When it seems like Shanahan could just do this all the time. Like, this is the person that should be making $30 million a year for your organization.
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I totally agree. And to piggyback off the late night point, there was someone recently, Curtis put. Brian. Curtis put out a thing where, I guess DiCaprio told this great story on New Heights the other day about how his first agent wanted him to change his name to Lenny Williams Because DiCaprio was too ethnic, which is the same.
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Thing happened to me.
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Yeah. And so Brian was like, this sounds like a Great late, late night anecdote because it was, it was his opener on Letterman 35 years ago whenever, whenever DiCaprio made his debut on, on David Letterman, probably around Titanic. And someone in the replies and it stood out to me was like, well, this is the new late night. And I thought about it and it's like, it is like you gotta have your anecdotes prepped for new heights or pardon my take or solo. Like it really is. This is where you go with your good anecdotes. Now you don't. If you go to like some of late night stuff, you're doing bits or whatever, but it's really kind of hard to break through. Like you just, someone just clips you and all of a sudden you have more reach than someone puts it on TikTok and all of a sudden you have more reach than, than you would if you appeared on a network show for five hours overnight. Like it's, it's a fascinating thing to get into. But we're not going to do that. We're going to Kyle Shanahan. I agree. I mean that's, that's the inefficiency in. There's no cap for coaches, right? There's no, there's no salary cap for coaches. I've been surprised and I've heard people say this in the past. I've been surprised. Maybe Detroit was doing a little bit with Ben Johnson, maybe not. Maybe Tampa Bay was trying to do with Liam Cohen. If we pay our offensive coordinator who is propping up this quarterback, what is almost head coaching money to keep him around, is that worth it? And I, I kind of think the answer is yes. But you kind of have to find a guy who doesn't want everything that comes along with being a head coach in order for, for that to be a successful model. But Ben Johnson does want to be head coach. Liam Cohen does want to be head coach. He just want to do it for Trent Balky and then circumstances change and he does that secret interview in Jacksonville. And so the play caller, I think I, I think play calling and a lot of that stuff can be overrated. But if you have a, a proven track record of making quarterbacks better and remember the difference between, the difference between a mediocre. So let's Daniel Jones making $14 million this year and the top quarterbacks are making $55 million. Okay, if you can take Daniel Jones, if you're Shane Steichen, just proof of concept. If you can take a 14 million dollar quarterback and make him a $55 million quarterback, shouldn't you get some of that, shouldn't that be baked into your cost? I. I don't know the answer. And obviously the union part of it, as far as this is negotiated and salaries, there's a salary floor and all that stuff. So that's different. How this is all slotted the franchise tag, which is negotiating off of. Coaches don't have that. I'm just wondering if in 10 years we're going to look at coaching salaries dramatically differently because of one owner saying, screw it. And David Tepper kind of tried to do this with Matt Rule, and unfortunately it was Matt Rule. But at some point an owner is going to be like, if we can, if this guy can create that kind of value and remember, these are all hedge fund guys now who are buying in these teams. They can create what amounts to shareholder value. If they can increase the, the value of our investments, then, yeah, they deserve quarterback money.
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I'm totally with you on this. The play calling part of it would be tough to just say, hey, like, Chip Kelly had to go through head coaching for them. To him probably be totally fine with making as much as he is now as the play caller for Vegas. Right?
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Right.
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If you're in coaching, you likely are an incredibly competitive person. You probably for years have thought about it on the ride home, shower, getting ready in the day, like, what is it going to be like when it's my program and you're so competitive that you want to be a head coach. So for some of the younger guys, but it's almost like the Vic Fangio model on the other side of it, it's just, are you just happy doing this? And I bet so many of these guys, once they go through the head coaching ringer, are so thrilled just to focus on the football part of it, their side of the ball, and never have to do anything else. And, you know, it's another thing watching Mac Jones last night and going, I can't believe. Like, I think Belichick's UNC stuff and relationship stuff makes so much sense now. When I remind myself that he had Matt Patricia call plays, I think that is actually like the line, like, when did it start going? Not when he decided to, like win a showdown with Brady over money with no backup plan, which I've referenced a million times, that he was like, no, we could just, we can just do this. And for, for Mac Jones to go from Matt Patricia to Shanahan, which is quarterback heaven. And again, the other part of it too, like, I agree completely on the organizational pride of last Night, the way those guys were acting after winning that game. And yeah, it's the fourth down stop and it's overtime and all that stuff. And then going up against McBay, who's very much part of the same conversation. I remember when you had a great tweet. It was years ago, right. And I think the premise was, I'm going to try to get this joke right. But it was like, did you have a Bud Light line at some point with Sean McVeigh? And it's like, hired. All right.
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And then. And then. So I made that joke. I. I said basically it was a flowchart. It was, have you met Sha McVey? And then have you had a Bud Light line with Sean McVey? And if you have, you're. You're hired as head coach. So I make that joke, and then, like, two days later, I'm not. This. This part is not a joke. The Arizona Cardinals hire Cliff Kingsberry. And on the Arizona Cardinals website, in the press release, it says is friends with rams coach Sean McVay. It literally said that. And then they had to edit it out afterwards because of. Of. They did the meme. They did the meme.
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Well, I went through it again this morning, and this is something I. Because there was a lot of hysteria about it. And some of the criticism, I think, is a bigger picture thing that has nothing to do with each and every individual hire. But it gets to how many white guys are getting opportunities to be head coaches? The NFL, which is a long standing issue and something that's debated all the time. But when it comes to an owner who's like, where do I get one of these guys on this family tree? And I think years removed from that observation and all the discussion around was the right move for almost all of these teams. Like, if you want to get in my case and say, hey, Kingsville, you've already made the face, but we can do it.
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No, no. I'm thinking, yeah.
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I mean, if you go through it, like, what do I need to do? 90% hit rate to be right? Because I. Not. I'm not going to be able to do that. But go ahead.
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I was gonna say. All right, so McVeigh obviously is a hit. Kingsbury, not Zach Taylor, I think will probably not end up being a hit. Do you consider him a hit because he made a Super Bowl?
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Yes. Are you?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Kidding me.
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I. I agree. Yes. But would. How many guys would Joe Burrow. I'm just asking how many guys with Joe Burrow would have made. Would have. Would have started Winning.
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I guess it's understanding how, how simple we can be about just the result part of it. But yeah, he's not as good when, when Burrow is.
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Joe Burrow's out. Right. But he wasn't as good when Joe Burrow wasn't there before that. So I'm the guy's first overall pick for a reason. So I, I, it's a hit. Yes. But I don't think he's the long term answer there. Okay. And then by the way, I think we're going to debate McDaniel. McDaniel made Tua exactly what we're talking about a million times. He got Tua from what we're talking about a bridge 14 million dollar quarterback. So he's playing like before McCain got there to a 55, 60 million dollar contract. So he did the job he was hired for which is make the quarterback better. The team wasn't strong enough. They got bad luck on injuries and then, you know, quarterback injuries and then front seven injuries. The timing never worked out. It's probably not going to work out there. But I don't. He did what he was hired for. So it's a to me by the way we entered.
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McDaniel did the job.
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Yes.
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Like no one's going to want to agree with us on that thing when he gets fired. He did the job.
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That'S he was hired to maximize the quarterback position and then he maximized the quarterback position. It didn't work out long term.
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Yeah.
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Now, now it's all gonna like they've missed on some draft picks. The offensive line never got very good. Tyreek Hill's out like the, they got no really unlucky two years ago when they were the hottest team in football for three months out of the season. Then everybody who could rush the Passer got injured. McDaniel to me will, he'll probably get fired. He'll go be an OC somewhere and I think he's going to genuinely be a great head coach the second time around with a, with a stronger gm, different environment. I, I, I think he can be a great head coach.
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So on the play calling front of all of this stuff, is it then possible to be able to pull this off? Like is McDermott an example that you don't need these, these quarterback mittens, you know, on every single decision because of what's happened with Josh Allen, it feels like Harbaugh and Lamar is a little bit different because like Harbaugh's just been there so long and they really do prioritize like who they bring in as the OC and they're even willing to, though something's working. You know, making the switch to Monken and realizing like, we've got to be a little bit different. There's another level that we need to go to here. I'm just wondering, does it work anymore? Like, would an owner, even if you had a top pick, go, I know this doesn't make any sense, but I want a defensive minded head coach. And then we'll figure out the development side because I don't know that anybody's going to do that anymore.
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It's really hard to figure out. First of all, owners are, are really weird and owners just base their decisions off like what happened last month, right? So they don't, they don't exactly take like a 10, a 10 year view. And typically owners just hire the opposite of whoever they just fired. So that. That's part of it. And so like, I promise you, when Miami fires Mike McDaniel, they're going to hire a leader of men. Defensive coach and baseball manager. Yeah, baseball manager. They're gonna hire. Who's a good baseball manager? The guy who just retired in Atlanta. We're gonna hire that guy. Brian Snicker. Is that his name? Yeah, yeah, he got it. I saw the game. A truck. That's the kind of guy. That's the kind of guy that the Dolphins are gonna hire. A guy who as a going away presentation, it's a truck. And so I think that, I think there's a model there. I mean, what you want is Vic Fangio. And what's funny is a couple of years ago there was a player. I won't, I won't. I. I don't think he wants me to share this, but player came and visited Bill and I. And so as far as keeping Anthony.
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Anthony Brown, right, Anthony.
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No, the player probably wants to remain anonymous, but he came and visited the ringer and we're talking and he had played for Fangio at one point and some. And Fangio was getting head coaching buzz at this point. It's before he was head coach in Denver and we said, hey, where would he be a fit? And the guy was like, dude, I think that a Fangio is eventually going to be a reluctant head coach. Like, I think he just wants to coach his guys and he wants to scheme it up and he just wants to like, like be a captain of a pirate ship, right? Like, he wants to just feel that way. And then you become a head coach and all of a sudden you're worried about special teams, you're worried about all of these things. You're worried about the quarterbacks mindset. And I think there's guys who are wired like that. So you got to find the. The offensive. Vic Fangio. The problem is, as you said, that's really few and far between. You have to get fired like Chip Kelly in a lot of cases. And I also think that it's really hard to have such an ego that you want to be an NFL coach and then not want to be a head coach, Right? Like, if you don't have an ego, if you're truly like a humble servant, you're probably coaching at Buford High School in Georgia. You know, you're probably just like, I'm good. I'm making $92,000. I got my family, you know, God, family, football. I'm good. I don't need anything else. I got my truck, just like Brian Snicker, and we're good. And so I think it's. It'd be really hard to say, let's do the college thing, which is like the super staff. It'd be really hard unless you godfather offer it, which I don't know. I don't know which owner's gonna be the first one to do that, but somebody should.
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I don't know when. Well, we'll see. But you know, when I was going through all the play callers today, and then I was trying to figure out, okay, which teams are defensive minded from the top down, don't prioritize like play calling, and yet still have great quarterback production, and look, there's still a few of them. And I'm, I'm glad you brought up Steichen, who is back to the offensive side of things, because when I talked to Ted Win from the Athletic when he went through and was asking defensive coaches, like, who the best play callers were, like, Steichen was getting love in that piece. He wasn't ranked in the top five. But I just loved that it was a non results answer because the easiest thing in the world is to go, are you kidding me? I'm supposed to put in Shane Steichen after what just happened at the quarterback position? It's like, well, they're trying to figure out if they have a guy that they spent this really high pick on and Anthony Richardson, and that probably has way more to do with it. And yet the people that were willing to make that like a, hey, I know this sounds crazy, but we think Steichen's actually really good going up against him over the years. Certainly not in 24. And then to have the Daniel Jones part of it, because the other, the other lesson that we're learning here is I went through and did like the 20 years of first round quarterbacks that were traded and it was like a non Matthew Stafford trade. Clearly the receiving team wanted him and it worked. But all these other first round guys that basically it's like, yeah, we're done with you, and then they go to the next place. It was like, oh, forever of teams winning a playoff game with the new first rounder. And now it's happening. It's been Baker, you know, maybe not in the playoff win being the standard for everybody, but what we've seen with Darnold, what we've seen with Daniel Jones. And again, it was another piece of the Mac Jones story from last night.
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Kevin o' Connell is obsessed with the quarterback journey. And, and we talked about a little bit on my show at the owner's meeting in March. And he basically says his theory is that franchises fail quarterbacks rather than quarterbacks fail. Like, there's always a couple of traits you can accentuate. And I kind of feel like the league is hopefully starting to learn that a little bit because we give up on guys too early, like Anthony Richardson. Two things can be true at once. Anthony Richardson was failed by the Colts, but they were correct to move on from him. Does that make sense? They, they drafted him and his fatal flaw was he simply hadn't played enough football. He gets hurt his rookie year, he does a stupid thing his second year, which is taps out of a game. Shouldn't have done that. That's a really easy way to lose locker room. But then you're saying in year three. Well, he hasn't, he hasn't proven himself. Well, the issue is you needed to give him a long Runway. If you were going to draft him and give him that short leash, you're going to, you're going to end up with the bust on your hands. And so for. I want to see Anthony Richardson in a different environment where they let him take a ton of practice. I don't know where that would be. Throw him in Pittsburgh or something like that and just see what happens. This is next year now, but the quarterback journey to me is really fascinating because you have all these play callers now who pride themselves on being able to do this with anybody. And that's the one thing. If you get six Bud Light limes in these guys and say, hey, you know how many guys have a deal.
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With Bud Light lime?
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I do not. I Don't. Do they even make it anymore? Not to be dismissive.
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We'll get it on that. I interrupted you.
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I've never. I've never had a Bud Light line in my life. It was just a. It was a joke from. It was a McVeigh joke from six years ago. I don't even know why I picked that. I don't think he likes Bud Light line.
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I laugh.
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I don't know. It went viral, so it worked. All right. So, yeah, that's how it goes. All right. So I. I think that there's so many of these play callers who think they can do this with anybody. Like, a lot of these guys think they can do it with their backup. That's why it's funny to me that the default is signing these guys for $60 million because no coach has ever been like, actually let this guy go because I can spam play action with the backup for $9 million and it's going to be totally fine. I've never seen that before.
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This episode is brought to you by Hulu. Glen Powell is Chad Powers now streaming on Hulu and Hulu Disney. Eight years after flushing his college football career down the toilet, hotshot quarterback Russ Holliday makes a comeback. Disguise as Chad Powers, an oddball athletic talent who walks onto the struggling South Georgia catfish determined to once again take college football by storm. Watch the hilarious new Hulu series, Chad Powers, now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney for bundle subscribers. Terms apply. Let's talk about this week, Philadelphia. There was a headline on ESPN.com that I saw this morning. It was like, is Philly the worst forno team of all time? Believable. Well, look, it was. I clicked. Worked on me.
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You clicked.
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Yeah. And they're not.
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Who's the answer? Okay. They're not.
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They're not. Was that Carolina team from a bunch of years ago? Just more bad news for Carolina. Even when you're good, we're going back and relitigating whether or not you were good or not. So it's. It's the seventh worst 40 team of all time. Some of the traditional passing stuff, not great, 31st in yards, the EPA per pass stuff, a little bit better. But that's only because it's not 31st. It's saying that bottom third quadrant, which doesn't make any sense. That sentence, bottom third quadrant. But I just wanted to let the people know that we're going to be on that. Be like, you know, that doesn't make any sense. I'm aware As I said it, so they're going up against this Denver team that. There's so many things about this team that I really like, and it doesn't start with their quarterback. So their pass rush is incredible. They've got two of the best tackles in football. They win against the pass rush. So, look, Philly deserves the benefit of the doubt, but it's crazy. They're four and oh, and I don't blame any of us for talking about them the way we're talking about them. I did it with SHIELD On Monday. I'm like, yeah, they're four and oh, but this is weird, but I still think being able to come back against the Rams and then putting up that kind of score on Tampa before Tampa gets it to a one score game later is probably more indicative of who this team is. Obviously, because I'm giving. I'm deferring to the talent on the roster.
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Yeah, the talent on the roster is all that matters. It's almost like college where nothing matters except one roster versus the other. And the talent differentiation just reveals itself. And I'm looking at this and I'm saying, okay, Jordan Davis has improved. Jalen Carter's a dog. Jalex Hunt, who's leading the team in pressures like he. So Hunt told me this story. So he was raw coming out of college. Raw, raw, raw. And he had some great numbers at the combine and they taught him how to play football. And so Hunt told me the story that in training camp, he tried like a chop move on Lane Johnson, and Lane just threw him. And then he literally, during the play, apologized to Lane Johnson for like, trying to beat him. Like, it was such a thorough drubbing that he was like, that's on me. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, sir. And then by. I asked him, like, have you beaten Lane since he was like, yeah, like week 12 or week 13, we were doing some stuff and I was able to. To get past him. And that, to me, that's literally development, right? That, that, that's, that's how you develop players. And in a league where I think that development gets mailed in a lot, I don't think the Eagles take it for granted. And I think that they, they're so good that harnessing athleticism, they have such a rigid system when to take their chances with flyers and traits and say, hey, if this guy develops, that's great. If he doesn't, it's just such a low investment that we're okay with it. Like, I just think that they're they're operating on all cylinders right now. And if you're around it, you feel it. Like, when you go to Philly, everything is thought out. Everything. You know, it's a mixture of analytics and gut and all that stuff. And also just like, guys who want to win like, that. That. That. That's the biggest thing. Like, I remember. I don't. This is such a. I can't believe I'm going to tell the story. I was reading one time that Walt Weiss met Greg Popovich and as one does and was like, give me some advice. And Pop was like, probably blowing him off and was like, just get guys who want to win, and everything else just takes care of itself. And I think about that a lot where it's like, I don't know. Jalen Hurts, it seems like. And I don't want to do the. The Jalen Hurts where he ranks stuff, because that has just gotten so. Like, I had Shield just like you. I had Shield on my show last month. And he, like, refuses to do it, like, because if you rank him six, they get killed. If you rank him 12th, you get killed. Like, he's just in a different universe. But I think that there's not a lot of grace extended to Jalen Hurts for winning. And I think that there's a bunch of guys in this league where when they get one yard beyond the sticks on a huge third down, not using the touch bush, just a scramble that we go, oh, my God, he's doing just. Oh, he's grinding out. He's not completing passes, but he's doing just enough to win, that they get to be winner guy and Jalen Hurts has to be something else. And so I think that the fact that they're. What's funny to me is, and this happened a couple of years ago, didn't Jason Kelsey say when they were nine and one that they were like, the most miserable team on earth? It's funny to me that the Eagles are such winners that we keep qualifying their successes and saying, oh, are they the most miserable team ever? Are they the. The worst four no team ever? When are they going to complete past in the second half? These are. These are problems that. That. That 25 franchises would kill to have. And it goes back to something that Jimmy Johnson said to Bill Belichick and Seth Wickersham's book, which is that if you. If you just do what you're supposed to do, 24 out of the 30 teams, this was in the early 90s, will just get out of your way. And what The Eagles do a great job of is never being one of the teams that get out of your way. They're always the six who are waiting for you to make the mistake and that. It's. It's a little bit Patriot ish to me, where during the Belichick years, like, they exposed. They're so competent, they would expose your incompetence.
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And there's a skill in that that's really well said. By the way, your whole point on this guy's a gamer. That's why I was not raving about Jackson Dart the Monday after. I know it was his first start, but I was like, I'm not falling for this stuff. I try to tell people. I was like, don't. Don't play the result. Where it's like, yo, he's doing a little this, he's doing a little of that. You're just like, yeah, I don't know. Three short fields. Okay. It was his first start, though. That's why we give him a pass here.
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Good for him.
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All right, Houston and the Ravens. Ravens on this one. Historically, the Ravens injury poor is so bad that I was looking at it this morning. I saw Hamilton was even on it now. I was like, yeah, but he finished the KC game on top of all the other guys that didn't finish. Houston's new offensive line looks a lot like the previous offensive line, but I don't care about the defensive numbers at this point. All I care about is the health part of it. There's not one Baltimore statistic a month in that's interesting to me because I don't think that's who they are, and I think their schedule is just that brutal. So I'd expect them to put on some kind of like, statement game here five games in to remind everybody. But I don't know what to do with them, with the health.
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First of all, I think these are the two worst tackling teams in football, which should not be happening. So get. Take the over. I think that the Ravens. You say that you don't think this is who the Ravens are. What's interesting to me is last year they were not perfect on defense. They made an adjustment to how Hamilton is deployed, the deep safety role, and then they became the best defense in football for the rest of the year. The big question for them on their defenses is that is there a move to make? Is there a move a we're not doing this enough? I thought Malachi Starks being drafted, I thought he was a winner. I thought that he was an awesome athlete and I thought he was going to free up Kyle Hamilton to be one of the best players in football. And that might be true, but so many of the things have. Have devolved that you can't notice or he can't impact the game. They're not stopping the run. Roquan Smith has regressed quite a bit and they can't tackle. And when you do that and you can't most, most importantly can't rush the passer. If you can't rush the passer, you're screwed like that. And Matabika has got the neck injury that sounds extremely serious. Is out for the year. They're just not getting to the quarterback. And so everything else is flowing from there. That the J. Alexander signing hasn't gone well. I picked this team to win the super bowl and I've been really disappointed. And I guess when you say you don't think this is who they are, I don't know what's going to change because they're getting more injured and their flaws seem to be personnel, which, which, which scares me more than a. Let's just make Kyle Hamilton a deeper safety. So Texans, I got a lot of concerns about them too. The offensive line. As you said, their fatal flaw was that they thought that different names meant better names. And I thought the protection schemes last year were bad. I thought CJ Stroud having more ownership with the line of scrimmage was going to be a good thing. I just haven't seen that much of a different team. And we always underrate offensive lines because I was looking, I did a show right before the season and I had this little panic like, all right, they could be a Texans, could be a top five defense. The Texans could have top five, you know, quarterback skill guys if everything goes right. The fatal flaw is they need. Or the, the only thing they need to do is have mediocre offensive line play. Well, they're not going to get it. They haven't gotten that. And so I don't know. I'm like Lake and Tomlinson like Lake and that's your move. I think he's bottom five and pressure rate allowed. Like, I. I just don't know. And by the way, C.J. stroud, I don't know if he's holding on the botchlong or whatever. He takes violent hits that. That's what worry if I'm Nick Casario. That's what worries me the most, is like he's taking these hits that are just brutal and something's got to change or else you're getting into this territory of you're going to look back and say, oh my God, we ruined this guy.
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The only thing I can hang on to as like holding out hope for Baltimore. And sure Lamar's ability is hey, probably starts there, right? But the second observation would be much like last year where the turnaround I felt like had as much to do with schedule is scheme the fact they've already played Kansas City, they've already played Detroit, they have the disastrous opening night against Buffalo. But yeah, right. Until I stop feeling better about the depth chart, especially on the defensive side of the football, I still would be shocked. And by the way great number on the totals here. Every Houston game that they've been in this year has gone under. Every Baltimore game they've been in has gone over two more games that I want to touch on and then we'll let you get to what you really care about. McDonald was Seattle. The head coach said that their in house analytics and I'm paraphrasing here, said Baker's like the best quarterback in the NFL on extended plays. And I don't think that's a surprise maybe to anybody that's watched, you know, maybe being the best is a little surprising. But he's, he's just good at keeping things alive and he's just such a gamer and you know all this stuff. I think Lamar probably be the first guy that you would think of but I don't know what the stats are for 25 so maybe that's misleading. Josh Allen probably in that conversation as well. But has Tampa done enough the first few weeks in because they've been down in every one of these games and there's not a point differential argument for them but it just always felt like with the Bucks is that they were an afterthought to the class of the nfc. Have they done anything that changes your mind on their ceiling?
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Well, Tristan Works who's probably the best player spent out and they've been really scrambling along the offensive line and so the fact that they were able to steal wins a little bit like the Eagles thing, fact that they were able to. Ruiz was on my show this week and we were arguing and I was like, you know, is it a good or a bad thing that they were the first team in history to win three games in a row to start the season on the last play of the game, I think that's a good thing like especially in the NFC south when it's not going to. I'm not, I'm not exactly seeing 85 bears anywhere in that division. Right. And so I think that the Bucks, Jason Light's one of the best GMs in football. They've got talent everywhere, everything. What. What I love about the Bucks and one of the reasons that I. I picked them to make the playoffs every year is like, there's the old Billy, Billy Bean line. If you have to do something, you're screwed. The Bucks never, and this is again, very Howie Rosemanish. They never draft for need, like, ever. Like Igbuka. No one was like, oh, my God. That the Bucks have to worry about the receiver room. Nobody said that. But they said we're going to draft best player available. Exact same thing for the Eagles. And what happens a lot of times.
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Is not a Nikhil Harry selection.
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Not a Nikhil Harry selection. That's correct. I mean, I really do believe that if you look at Belichick's draft, especially in the last four or five years, he was there. It was just to plug holes. He was using the draft to plug holes, which Howie and which he wasn't doing at the beginning. And Howie and Jason Light have decided that their talent base is so high and they have so many veterans on. On significant contracts who are doing their job effectively that they can draft for best player available. And it's not pretty. And a lot of times everybody says they want to draft on best player available, but nobody wants to actually do it because it's. It's ugly. Right? Like, there's the Paul Dipa Dusta line about how ownership, the. The best owners. The way he describes ownership is, you know, your kid wants to go on a roller coaster, and then it starts to get scary and they scream, I want to get off. Right? And the best owners never scream, I want to get off. They want to ride the roller coaster the entire time. And I think that that's important because sometimes when your drafting strategy is best player available, it doesn't look pretty in the moment because you're saying, oh, what are we going to do at linebacker? What are we going to do about wide receiver? Like, it doesn't. That's not how how a good GM works. And Jason Light and Howie Rosen both run their organization like they're going to run it for 100 years, and that's how you compete for Super Bowls.
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Yeah, I said it before, like, the process is the best example. Everybody comes in, ownership's on the same page. Hinky's gonna just tank in a way that we've just unapologetic about it, never explain it. And then everybody's gonna go. This is. He's got six G League guys playing right now, you know, and so whether it's the stuff we were talking about in the beginning with, all right, we're going to make sure this quarterback gets all sorts of Runway. And it's like, yep, we're. We're two and eight in year two. Yeah. You know, and the backup's got a Super bowl and he's 35 years old and has a podcast. People. He does a pretty good numbers. More of like a local show. But there's just everyone who wants to map out these beautiful plans. They're so easy to live with when you're just looking at the plan and then not living it all the time. You got anything on Washington and the Chargers? Because I'm worried about Herbert. The pressure rate numbers that I were looking at. He's back at 27% pressure rate on drop backs. 28% was his career high. That was his rookie year. Some of that stuff can be on you. Alt is out. Becton looks like he could be out, too.
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Rashawn Slayer's been out all year.
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Yeah, right, Right. So I didn't count him anymore. And this Giants front, which I think I weekly remind everybody how much I like. Although it's a really weird front to like because the pressure stuff that they were getting against the Chargers was incredible and yet they're so bad against the run the yard for carry stuff. So I was like, all right, maybe dial back. Like, maybe you should just say, I really like their pass rate rush part of the front here. Washington's a. It's not like that group. You're like, oh, my God, I'm really scared. But considering what's happening on this old line and what Harbaugh wants to do, a team that everybody was excited about that opening night Chiefs win the Denver game. There's a lot of stuff where it felt like maybe the public was coming around in Herbert a little bit more because he just gets. It's just back and forth with this guy. The way he's talked about. These are alarming trends here.
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It's really hard to be a great team. And I thought the Chargers could have been a great team. It's really hard with a bad offensive line and with backup offensive lineman. At some point you just. You just run out of them and you run out of bodies and Justin Herbert gets the crap knocked out of him. I will say now that I'm a Cam Ward truther, I know how the Herbert Truthers feel. Like now that I'm like, if you put cam ward on 20 teams, he. He's. He's gonna run away with rookie of the year. Now that I'm that guy, I feel so much more context and empathy with the, with the Herbert situation. No, it's unfortunate. And like I thought, I think Jim Harbaugh is an amazing coach. I think Justin Herbert's an amazing quarterback. It's probably just not going to happen this year because of the pressure rate. It's just. It's just too high. I don't know where you're going to get these bodies from. These. By the way, there's not enough bodies for offensive lines in August and then now you're not going to find the street. Yes.
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Three at this level, like alt is just, hey, we're good for a decade now. That's how good he is. Yes. Now. Now, who knows? I mean, with him. I think the injury report was doubtful with the angles. So it.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And.
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And the commanders. I was a little worried about their defense last week. We'll see once Jaden Daniels gets back. They've been fine. I. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not ready to hit the panic button. You lose Jaden Daniels for two weeks.
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He.
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He's the guy that. That props open the. The championship window and all that stuff. So I, I disappointed yesterday or sorry last week with the Falcons, but I think they're before. They'll probably win this game.
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Last thing. I know you love your canes. Give me, give me. Kind of like going into October, 24 Kev versus 25 Kev.
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Well, 24 Kev had seen the Virginia Tech game when the holes in Miami's defense have been exposed. And so I knew that it was going to be a wild ride and I thought they were going to lose one of the stupid games on the road. End up being. I thought they were always going to lose a game like Syracuse, but I thought it was actually going to be Louisville where you're just trading touchdowns and then time expires. I think that if you follow recruiting patterns, I do quite a bit like this is. This is all right on time. College football is a very efficient sport, Ryan, where if a bunch of guys are after somebody, like if Kirby and Kaylin DeBoer and Brian Kelly are all after the same guy, they're usually one of the best players in the world. And Miami is in on those guys now. And Miami's getting some of those guys now. And that wasn't the case under Manny Diaz and Mark Richt and Al golden just wasn't that level. It hasn't, hasn't been that level. I mean, Coker was getting five stars, but it wasn't even like it was the wrong five stars. It's since Butch Davis they haven't had this level of talent acquisition now. You know, I think it's a weird. College football now is a year to year sport with the Portal and I don't think the national media has necessarily reckoned with it, but I'm, I'm feeling, I'm feeling decent and I think that the fact that there are no dominant quarterbacks this year is going to help Miami because they're going to be ground and pound and a bunch sets and running mesh a bunch and probably winning every game by scoring 27 to 28 points. But I don't think, I don't think they're going to play, you know, Texas, which has probably the best roster in the sport, or Ohio State or, or Alabama. I don't think they're going to put up 45 points in the playoffs. I don't. So I think that Miami has as good a chance as anybody to win, to win that championship.
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They're picking them, I assume this weekend.
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I am. You know, it's funny, I. So when I was a kid, I was watching a college basketball game and one of the color guys, it was like, you know, Kentucky struggling with somebody on the road. And one of the guys said, John Wooden always said it's, it's never no such thing as an upset when it's a conference game on the road. And I've thought about that for 30 years, but now I can't find any evidence of John Wooden having said it. So now it's just mine. Now I'm just, It's what I say. So Wooden's out of the picture.
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So I did that with Bill Walton because I remember I'd asked, I was very, very early days espn, it was some weekend shift. And I asked Bill Walton if he thought any NBA players listened to the Dead before the game or something like that. And I was trying to be like, how do I get the Bill Walton quote out of him? You know, I was just trying, right, trying 30. And he was like, it's not what inspires us, it's that we have the ability to be inspired. And I was like, oh. And so I was like, man, that's a really good quote from Bill Walton, by the way. The interview went so off the rails and with our time restrictions for radio back in the day, especially then with like a clock that would cut you off at a certain point. I was like, who? Two questions, by the way, I think went 14 minutes. Segments were nine minutes. And the guy behind the glass was like, we can't run that.
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Wait. Rosilla did a Bill Walton thing where he spoke for 34. 34 minutes. When all Brian asked was, how did you meet David Halberstom? And he just spoke for 34 minutes. That would not have worked on radio. That would not have worked on espn.
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That may have been the birth of podcasting. It's just like the people in tech were like, we've got to figure out a way to get these Bill Walton interviews up. Like, there's nothing that we can do. Radio cannot contain this man. So maybe that's how podcasts were even invented. But, yeah, I was kind of like, all right, cool. Because Bill was really nice. He would walk around ESPN and I'd say, hey, do you ever get any shots up anymore? He's like, I just enjoy riding my bicycle. And he'd have a huge smile, and he meant it. He wasn't bullshitting. There might be some other famous guys that would walk through ESPN and be like, eh, put on a smile, play the game, whatever. Bill was genuinely so sincere and so nice to every single person.
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Hey, not same subject, but how are you viewing Miami? I just want to know your thoughts.
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I thought that game against Florida was a war. And even though. Yeah, yeah, that's why, you know, I'm kind of like, holding out hope for, like, there's the watching part of me can get in the way sometimes where. Sometimes if I watch too many. Well, I don't want to frame it that way. There can be times where a game that's lost, you know, in the general consciousness of all the viewing on Saturday, everybody was watching that Florida Miami game. So that wasn't like some like, oh, man, you caught UTEPs. You. You know about UTEP secondary. Because it doesn't really do anything for me, so I'm not going to watch UTEP secondary. But that Florida performance, like, wonders if this is going to be a sneaky spot for Texas, you know, or it is.
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B
I agree, I agree. I actually picked. Earlier this week on espn, Bet the line was six and a half, and I actually picked Florida.
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I just. I thought Miami was violent in that game. And so even though they weren't scoring and there was technically the spot where Beck throws the pick, and you're like, is Florida actually going to find a way to steal this one? Which would have felt completely wrong because the way I watch football games is like everybody else, but then I'll. I'll have some moments that really are about doing the show. So I'll think to myself, like, who should have won this game? Like, who is in control more often? Not that I think game control should be something that the playoff committee necessarily, you know, banks decisions on there. But Florida was clearly the better football team, despite the score being so strange. But I just. What's that?
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B
You said Florida was a better football team.
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Yeah. Well, no, that's better. I'm kidding. You're right. Miami was clearly the better football team. I misspoke. But the violence, the pressure, the edge guys and like, NFL edge guys that, you know, for Miami for years, you just. Even when they stunk, they're like, all right, well, that guy's a first rounder.
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Yeah.
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And I don't. I don't know what the gap. I mean, is it Rousseau? Like. I'm just trying to think of, like, how many Miami badasses.
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Jalen Phillips.
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A
Yeah, right.
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Greg Rousseau. Yeah. There have been a lot. They didn't recruit. They didn't take football seriously because for 25 years it was really easy to not spend any money and have no resources and win national championships. Then college football changes. Rossillo and they go out. It was still easy for us. And all of a sudden you've got Al golden and then Urban Myers coming in and taking whoever he wants from Broward county. And Jimbo Fisher is coming into Miami Central High School and Nick Saban is living an American heritage in St. Thomas Aquinas. And we're going, what if we fought this with Manny D. Didn't work.
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You follow the recruiting. You're on it.
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B
It's easy to. Easy to pick, follow. It's easy to predict the sport when you follow the talent acquisition patterns.
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This is football host Kevin Clark from espn and we do have him on the show. And I know I got a little aggressive on the Zach Taylor conversation, so I apologize for that.
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B
Well, I actually think it is a funny line for him, like, oh, it's a hit because he made the Super Bowl. It sounds.
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A
That's where I. That's where I knew, because I knew you were going to do it too. So I was like, ready and I didn't. I felt like I came after you. But I was more about the concept and not personal, if that makes sense.
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It reminds me. It reminds me of when I got. I had been baiting them all. I used to do a Sunday show with Solak and Ruiz and I was baiting them. They hated the Titans team that won. They got the one seed a few years ago, the variable Titans team and I was just backing them into a corner all season for them to say wins are not a team stat. And they finally did it. They finally did it. The wins are not a predictive stat. Like they basically decided wins don't matter anymore because they hated the Titans team so much. So you basically did that with me. The Super Bowl. I had to throw it out to say Zach Taylor is not that good.
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I also did not like that Titans team and I did a segment calling him the worst one seed and I went through all of it and the whole thing and then Titans. You want to talk about local news coming after a guy? I had people in weather tweeting at me that were upset in Tennessee and then I forget what happened. I think they went on a pretty deep run that year, didn't they?
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B
They lost to the Cincinnati Bengals in the first game, if I'm mistaken. Oops. Take that. How's the weather in Nashville now, boys?
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A
Yeah, something gloomy coming this way. Thank you, Kevin.
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B
Thank you, buddy.
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C
Those are two words I haven't really heard together ever. Crop top ponchos. But maybe I'll. Maybe I'll fire up Google search after this.
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Yeah, I'll send you a link. All right. What do you got?
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C
All right, on the fly here. I was getting a haircut yesterday, not that anyone said anything and there was.
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A
A guy looks good.
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C
Who. Thank you. He played one year at Minnesota. This is Ohio State. I don't know. I thought that was a sign. It doesn't feel like a sign anymore. Shout out to Kevin Clark. I'm going to take Miami, not minus four and a half. I'm just going to take the money line. That's minus 180. I think they will beat Florida State.
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Minus 180. Okay. All right. That's cool. All right, let's stay on the floor to talk. Fleek and I talked about it. Clark and I talked about it. I mean, now it's only plus four and a half at home against Texas, but we'll plug that one in. So can you plug this all in on the fly here?
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C
I think I can, yeah.
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A
All right. And then the other one will go with Felica's pick, Purdue. Who is.
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C
That's right.
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He gave us Purdue. Yeah, he really likes Purdue. At home against number 23, Illinois. Plus nine and a half. Purdue. Sneaky. Scoring some points out there. Boilermaker country. So what is the payout for those three legs?
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C
You'll get +477 if you put that in right now.
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A
That's exactly what we're hoping do.
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C
That's the range.
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A
You could check it out. Yeah, you can check it out in those future bets as well. And all sorts of stuff from their buffet of entertainment. Sports Bay. Sports Bay.
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C
Roll with it, man.
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A
Check it all out@sportsbook.fanduel.com you want details?
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C
Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up?
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B
I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.
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C
I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required.
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A
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C
Back like it's dual threat.
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A
It is a lot like dual threat. We used to end that with Chris Fowler trivia.
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C
Yeah, didn't really get that part.
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A
You never understood that?
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C
No, I mean, I didn't get it back then, but you know, I've learned a lot more about you and that whole space.
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A
So you want to give me some first impressions? Do you want to share now?
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C
First impressions of you?
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A
Yeah.
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C
I don't think this guy likes me. But then I'm not sure he likes a lot of guys. So I'm like, maybe that's maybe don't take it personal. On time. I like, I liked on time. I was like, this is great because I was doing. I was doing you and Bill, and Bill was sort of like, you know, you're like a minute man. You're just sort of ready to go. And you were like, we were pretty, pretty, pretty regimented, which was cool because, like, almost militaristic.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Yeah, exactly.
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A
Yeah.
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It's like not sure. Not sure if I should be joking with him or not. And like, oh, he actually, he's. He's a guy who appreciates a joke. So that was just a lot, A lot of feeling out going on.
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A
Anyway, thanks. Thanks for sharing that. You're welcome. All right, let's get to some emails. What do we got here? Well, there's a Ceruti compliment here, so.
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C
It'S only right we give it to him when he's not here because it seems like everything he gets is the opposite.
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Yeah, so we'll save it. We'll save it for when he's here. I just don't understand how anybody gets on his case. You know what's amazing about Ceruti, Kyle? Have you ever seen him mad?
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C
You know, I don't think so.
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A
Yeah, I don't think so. It's always like this, but sometimes it's like, hey, what's going on in there? Right? Or do you. You're passionate, you're a lover. You know, there's range. So maybe, maybe you're better.
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C
He's been disappointed. One time, like, I think I something up and he was just like on the phone. Like a lot of that. A lot of like the man. It really, really sucks that that happened, you know, but it. I don't think it was ever mad.
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B
It was.
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C
Was once where it was like that and I was just like, man, what a great guy. He's like there for me. He's there for me and he's sad for me also. I'm in trouble. You know what I mean? So that was. Yes. Rudy's the man.
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Yeah. All right, here we go. Dating someone living in a rough area. Oh, wait. Dating someone living in a rough area. Sorry. 29 years old. 5 10, 170. No gym stats. Player comp. Mario Chalmers plays. Plays hard. Can occasionally hit a big time. 3. Doesn't mind getting yelled at by LeBron if it means winning two rings. They yelled at that guy a lot. Just got laid off after working for one of the biggest brands in the world for 10 years while looking for new employment. Had some free time and reconnected with an old co worker online that I went on a few dates with a few years back, but just never went anywhere. She recently moved a little more than an hour away to a rough part of the state because her dad wanted to move closer to his job. Well, at first, I didn't mind taking the drive. After picking her up last week and going to dinner, I realized how tough this was going to be since she doesn't drive, she never got a license nor has a car and just takes the bus everywhere. After dinner, we headed back to her place where we hung out and watched a movie. After we were finished, she asked if I wanted to stay or leave. I ended up leaving because I didn't want to leave my car there overnight on the street. While leaving and walking in my car parked around the corner, I noticed a car parked two cars past mine. It looks like it was just broken into because it definitely wasn't there a few hours ago. I felt very lucky it wasn't my car as I just got it a few months back, hopped in and dipped. I called her on the way home to tell her what I saw. She said something along the line of, quote, yeah, that'll happen here or there, end quote. So I'm not only faced with the dilemma of driving over an hour every time to see her, I'm now afraid to hang out at her place because of stuff like this. She also mentioned one of the convenience stores up the street was broken into and robbed last week. The only other thing would be to drive there, pick her up, drive her back to my place, and if she stays the night, drive her back in the morning or take. Or her take the bus closer to me. But that feels like it'll be a hassle for her. I do like her. Conversation always flows well. But this just might be a deal breaker. I don't hate driving, but driving back and forth like this seems like a lot. What do you guys think?
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C
I hate driving. That would have been a deal breaker. I would have slowly, slowly faded out. You know, that's. But I mean. I mean, Hollywood, even, like, you know, decent parts of Hollywood where pretty much I've been the whole time. Like, it's really not. It's not shocking when you see, you know, the shattered glass on the ground in the Crown Jewel, even Poughkeepsie. Not. Not shocking either. So this. This wouldn't make me, like, worried about what's gonna happen to me. This is a charger to the game thing. If you're gonna park your car there overnight, at night is when the, you know, the shady shit happens. You know, maybe, maybe you could look for a parking garage that's close. You know, in cities where cars get their window smashed, parking garages are aplenty. So if you don't want to end this over that I see. I'd try to Google Maps a parking garage and maybe it's a five minute walk, but just the distance would be enough for me to be like, I don't really want to do this every time I want to see somebody. So, you know, I guess we're just different people.
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A
The guy was so worried about his car being broken into. He didn't spend, he didn't spend the night.
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C
Yeah, this is going to be in the back of your head all the time unless you figure out, you know, a safe spot for your car.
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A
He's like, I'm just not going to be able for him. Stuff going on, can't focus. I want to, when we do this, I just want to be able to focus on you. Right now I'm thinking about my, my deductible.
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C
It's a great new restaurant open 30 minutes away. I really think we should go.
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A
Yeah. Meet in the middle. I got to tell you, if she's willing to get on a bus to meet you, that's either the all time keeper or she has no options.
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C
Right. The fact that Uber isn't a thought.
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A
Well, it's expensive. It is expensive. You know how expensive that would get? So all I could tell you is I don't care how much you like her. You're already this upset about existing scenarios. So imagine a couple months in and it's an hour there, an hour back every time that you want to spend time with her. And the pick her up thing and leave is even dumber than that one.
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One.
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A
Yeah. I don't know. I mean, look, if I park my car in Venice overnight, am I going to think about it? Sure. But if I like the girl, then I'm not going to just be like, hey, look, I, I don't like parking my car there, so I mean it. Clearly our emailer here has, has different reservations. They're triggered perhaps a little bit quicker. I'm not criticizing him necessarily, but some people worry about some stuff that other people don't really worry about it. And sometimes it's age or sometimes it's asset or sometimes it's, you know, it's just, I feel like when people get older, I don't know what that is. I, sometimes I miss the young freedom of not ever Thinking about any of those things.
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C
I'm parking in this loading zone. God damn it. There's nothing else that's close enough for me to feel good about where I'm parking this. I'm parking in the loading zone. I want to know what kind of car this guy has. I really.
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A
It better be pretty sweet, right?
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C
Well, it's the other way. There's two ways of looking at it, right? It's just like, I really cannot afford anything else to happen to this Nissan Altima. I just can't. I can't do it. Or, you know, love that new Bronco I got, the big one, you know, Like, I, I, I. It's either, like, really nice, and he's like. He's constantly thinking about it where it's parked, even in nicer neighborhoods, like, nobody better park too close. Or he's like, I literally cannot have a trash bag window on top of all the other bullshit that's going on with this car. I think it's probably either one of those two ends of the spectrum. I don't think it's in the middle.
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A
My guess is just a little particular about things. But if it's a Nissan Altima, then if you're parking in a bad. I think it's kind of a still desirable car. Or maybe it was a long time ago. Maybe that was a Nissan Maxima, and they were also easy to break into, I think, man, I had a fucking.
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C
Trash bag window when I first moved here. That sucked. It really sucked, man.
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A
I remember reading an article about how it was actually, like, the manufacturer's fault that the cars were being broken into that much because they were so easy to break into. And then hotwire, and I was like, that's a pivot, right?
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C
What a Jedi mind trick.
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A
Our obsession with finding someone else who's obviously to blame. So look, it's gonna get. You're already annoyed by it, and you haven't even started doing it. So, I mean, if she wants to take a bus to you and switch it up every now and then, fine. But it. I feel like you're in a low spot right now. I'll just be totally frank with it. You got laid off. You may connect with her big time. I'm also wondering, like, does she not have that many options to. Or are you that awesome? Maybe this guy's awesome. I mean, my head's all over the place with all of these things, but I. My, My gut reaction is that you're kind of like, of all of our ups and downs through life, you know, Going through some of the stuff that you're going through. You're a bit of a downstretch maybe and you're trying to figure out like, hey, this could be companionship. And you're like, history.
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C
Though he might have left something on the table there and he's like, I got to see what happens here.
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A
I've always thought, very true.
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C
That could be like, you know, gnawing at him. So I'd say check, check for those parking garages. And if some, and if it's too far away, then maybe, maybe you don't do this, but you know, try one more thing to make you feel good about this. Yeah, get a monthly rate. Won't hurt as much maybe.
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A
What if she said, I, I'm totally down. If you want to get me a bus pass.
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C
Check for what's Amtrak like over there? Do you guys have, you guys have one of the big, big rail lines or what?
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A
Okay, we got a pretty straightforward one day, one listener. Don't miss the show. Love everything y' all do. 5 11, 152. At my peak player comp, Kentucky's Reed shepherd just replaced the dunks with sick left handed layoffs. My offhand now it's just a lot of unguarded free throws and mid range jumpers shooting alone at the park. In the back of my mind, I truly believe I was in the right here, but I'm not a confrontational person. So this afternoon. Oh, afternoon run has run in. All right. So I thought we were talking hoops and then I thought he was going for a jog. Let's read that sentence again. So this afternoon's running has me reflecting back on it much more than anyone should. I work in a busy business district and one of the largest cities in the US Today for lunch I ordered Chipotle via the app and even gave it an extra 10 minutes to ensure it would be ready when I went to pick it up. When I arrived slightly ahead of lunch rush, I order there weekly. My order was not ready on the to go shelf. Uh oh, the rush hadn't hit yet. And like any self aware human being, I stepped back to give room for others checking for their orders. Again, the rush had not hit yet. So I took a look around and a few minutes later I saw Rob, name changed ish, walk in and stand directly in front of me. Things quickly got busier and it was clear not the A team working at Chipotle with the orders. God, Chipotle gets so much reference on this pod. With orders only being brought out if someone approached the employee working the station, Rob had somehow worked his way in front of me in line, but was not looking to make a move for his order. Close to the front of the line, someone who had walked straight in and picked up immediately picked up, immediately left and I took the chance to fill the space. When I gave the worker my name, I immediately heard a loud and Rob from behind me. He performatively scolded me about cutting the line, waving his arms to get others around us on his side, and even shuffled to make it difficult for me to leave the area. I was somewhat irked with his response and responded with something like, Sorry man, just trying to get out of here. I've been waiting longer than you. Was I in the wrong here? Rob seemed content passively waiting for his turn. But I was 30 minutes past pickup time. I was ready to eat and needed to head back to work. Thankfully, Rob had a company branded backpack on him. Upon returning to the office, I was quickly able to locate his LinkedIn profile. Turns out he's a US representative. Nothing big to report, but thought an interesting conclusion to the story. What the fuck is up with you guys? Getting into it with Chipotle and then finding people on LinkedIn? Where's that going? So look, you were there early, but it happens, especially in a chaotic thing. I think one time I just straight up was getting cut in line so much at the ESPN cafeteria. I then on Taco Tuesday accosted somebody else for cutting me. And he was like, dude, I was in line. And then I was. I was pretty sure. I'm pretty sure he cut me. I'm still pretty sure he cut me.
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C
But you were so rage blind. You're like, I don't know what actually happened.
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A
But the way he delivered it was so like good. But there was just like a lot of different things that would happen. The East Bin cafeteria Deportes doesn't follow the rules. I don't know what it is, but those guys would just come in and fucking free for all. Well, I don't know. Like the salad bar has usually one to maybe even two entrances depending on how it would be set up. These guys would like start at Carrots in the middle and I'd be like, what are you?
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C
Anywhere there's a spot.
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Yeah, anywhere there's a spot. Like that doesn't make any sense. And so it just kept happening over and over and over again. And we would talk about like there's just some people that come in and cut again. It wasn't just the Portes There are a lot of people that cut. But I never forget that salad bar incident, but then the taco one. So. Yeah, right. Like, you. You. It sucks for you in this spot because this guy decided to be all theatrical about it. And by the way, if he's a politician, like, add that to the equation of all of these things. He's like, we are.
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C
You know, like, this is what I'm talking about, folks.
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A
This will not stand.
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C
This is the change I'm talking about.
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A
We're just all trying to eat on equal footing. But if you were there first and then you're getting yelled at when he kind of, like, works his way in, in the narcissistic way a politician would, by the way. You know, this. This makes a lot of sense. I just don't understand looking it up after the fact. But again, maybe it was that curiosity. Somebody gave me the finger yesterday in the street. It was crazy.
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C
How does it feel now, then as it used to feel like, you know, I feel like the finger used to be, like, you know, up with the C word. It's like, you can't do this. That's, like, what it was drilled into my head. Maybe that's just like, the folks are. I'm around now, the fingers, like, I don't know. It's definitely not that. I don't know. Maybe it's me getting older. Maybe times have changes. But, like, the finger used to be, like, last resort, it felt like.
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A
But I don't know.
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C
Maybe driving is a context.
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A
It was a busy street, but not a busy street in Manhattan Beach. But it's the one that's busy kind of in and out on Highland. And I took a left at a light where if you don't get up there, like, no one was in the left lane, but I. I jumped probably a couple car lengths up to get into that left lane to turn. Got to do it right, which kind of everybody does. Like, I try not to be egregious about it when I do it. Like, some guys you'll just see get in the other lane and then floor it to get in front of any other oncoming traffic. Yeah, like, I wouldn't do that, but it was. It was like a car length and a half, two car lengths, where I'm like, all right, the light's green. It's gonna move a little. So let me just kind of get into this thing, because then if you get stuck in the light, you can get stuck in the light. And it may have had to do with, like, a couple kids on These dirt bikes that are basically just dirt bikes, but they're E bikes and they.
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C
Go one mile an hour under what the max is or something.
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A
No, I mean, there's. I saw these two guys on these different motorcycles yesterday. They're supposedly E bikes and there's no license plate on them whatsoever. And again, this is starting to sound old, but, like, it's just way too fast for the walking area in Manhattan. It's just. There's too many people walking down every single block to go into the beach. And all these different beach entrances, it's not just funneled to one entrance where you have to kind of watch what you're doing. It's constant, like, cross traffic. And so there's one stretch where you can really let it get wide open where there aren't that many people walking, but there's long stretches here in the South Bay where you can't really just, like, let it go. And you're a kid, you don't give a fuck. Which I totally understand. So I think it was because two, I don't know if it had anything to do with the kids and them thinking, oh, no, like, there's a car coming the other way. But then I'm immediately in that expanded left lane, right. There's nothing that's even close. And I get a guy truck with a rack on it, by the way. Yeah. And he just gives me a big old meaty middle finger. And like, I saw it was. He was a pretty big guy and it was just meaty. And he, like, really let me have it with the finger. And I went, you know, what was I gonna do? I want to go home. He was huge. I think he was huge too. All right, so he's old, older. But that finger, it's still like. I'll never forget it because it was the silhouette. Yeah. I don't know what he did. I mean, the thing had like scar tissue and ash name. It's sewn back on. But because he had a framers rack in the truck, I was like, oh. I was like, okay. Then I'm like, I'm gonna. You know, because I've envied framer racks. You know, I always wanted one, but I just didn't. I didn't stay in the framing game long enough. There isn't really much to add to this email other than I just told that story.
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C
So I think, let me just get this off. I think, please.
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A
Yeah.
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C
If I think mobile orders and all in these pickup stations and the.
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A
And the.
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C
You order it yourself on the iPad. Nailing it has screwed up all the sort of, like, common courtesy. And where lines are supposed to be in restaurants, especially things that are a little bit small on the smaller end, like Chipotle, go to like a little boba tea smoothie place where it's like there wasn't even really enough room for one line. Now there's two. Listen, I think, I think it's a little bit more of a free for all when we're talking about mobile pickup. You get it, you know, we make it, you find it type of deal. I think you a. In this situation, you have the karma on your side. You could, you know, if you really wanted to, you could have been like, hey, buddy, take a look at this. Like, I've been here. Do you see me when you walked in? That's because I've been here. You could have done that. Glad you didn't. We're adults. And I mean, unless you're, unless you're going to. There's one spot where someone's taking orders and a guy's ready to order something. You're like, hey, I'm here from doordash. Can I. Like you shoving a phone in someone's face. Then you would have been in the wrong. I think this mobile pickup nonsense, it's a little bit Wild west. So you should, you, you should have many reasons to think that you're in the right here. I think that's it. I think that's all I have. But especially with the mobile order thing, it's, you know, sort of like you could, you can manipulate stats to make your argument right, sort of like, you.
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A
Know, sort of like sports.
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C
So you're good.
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A
You're right. The pickup. But this is for actually delivery people. This is for civilians. But then if you come over here, something might not be right. You double check. I did it the other day.
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C
Sometimes a business has been getting shit stolen. So they say that you can pick up your stuff from this rack, but you actually have to ask Todd, the guy in there, do you have it? And so if you're going to be sheepishly standing there, you might not get your thing. They're not going to actually put it there and yell out your name because they've. They've got some shady folks in there grabbing people's lunches. So again, no rules. I think you, you can, you can go to sleep at night knowing that you didn't do anything wrong.
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A
So there you go. It is really frustrating when you're already there first, but you're hanging back and then somebody Kind of gets in front of you thinking that they're first in line. And then for then that same person start, like a movement inside the Chipotle to accost you with his constituency.
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C
Well, you might have to be posturing in there. You know, if you're. If you're waiting and you need to be picked on or you want to.
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A
You know, Moses Malone would never have this happen to him, right? I think that's fair to say. Yeah. You got it.
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C
Sometimes you got to talk to people with your eyes. When you're, you know, make eye contact with that guy as he's, you know, running around filling pans of beans or whatever the fuck he's doing, you got to. You got to make sure you catch his eye. It's like a busy bar and a bartender. You gotta. You gotta catch the employee's eye so he knows you need something or maybe or, you know, affirm but not stern. Hey. Or whatever. You got to make yourself seen in a place like that.
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All right. Good stuff. Thanks, Kyle. Thanks to Kyle. Thanks to Jonathan Prius. Today's life advice was brought to you by Amazon Business. It's time to free up your teams and focus on your future. Learn more about the technology insights and Support available@AmazonBusiness.com that'll do it for the show today. Check out the show on the Spotify app. Also, our YouTube Ryan Rosula podcast bringer Spotify.
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They were gonna name me Michael Jordan. My dad was like, I don't think he can live up to it. So they named me Michael. Jared.
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A
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