Biggest Things to Watch at the NFL Combine with Daniel Jeremiah

Summary

The Ryen Russillo Show: Biggest Things to Watch at the NFL Combine with Daniel Jeremiah

Date: February 25, 2026
Host: Ryen Russillo (Barstool Sports)
Guest: Daniel Jeremiah (NFL Network, Move the Sticks Podcast)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Ryen Russillo catches up with Daniel Jeremiah live from Indianapolis ahead of the 2026 NFL Scouting Combine. The focus is on non-quarterback position groups, the hottest debates among NFL insiders at the combine, and which prospects and teams are generating the most buzz. Russillo and Jeremiah break down the edge, wide receiver, and offensive tackle classes, discuss player evaluations and draft strategy, and share their favorite "perfect fit" matches for the upcoming draft. The episode is rich with behind-the-scenes combine banter, prospect analysis, and classic Russillo tangents.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: The Combine as the NFL's Annual Convention

• Open with Combine as an NFL convention—agents, scouts, GMs, coaches all mingling, exchanging rumors and info.
• Jeremiah: "The fun part is you have all the discussions happening—quarterbacks always come up, but this year, after Mendoza [QB] at 1, it gets really interesting." (04:53)

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2. Quarterback Market: Ty Simpson Decision and NFL Promises

• Ty Simpson is a hot topic: why did he declare with only 15 starts, turning down $5–6 million in NIL?
• Idea that Simpson received "as far as you would fall" first-round promises from teams, possibly the Rams.
• Jeremiah: "It's well known...there's $5–6 million bucks waiting for him. The theory is—the Rams might have told him, if you’re there, we’ll take you." (06:43)
• Both agree this is not the strongest QB class; minimal focus on QBs throughout episode.

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3. Wide Receiver Class: Tiers, Types, and Movers

How to Tier the Top

• Consensus: Tate and Lemon are in their own tier (big, outside vertical threat vs. inside high-volume catch guy).
  • Jeremiah: "For me, Tate and Lemon are in their own category. Do you want the inside guy or the guy who’s more vertical?" (09:08)

Rising Names

• Omar Cooper Jr.—shoots up Jeremiah's board after tape; now in top 20.
  • Jeremiah: "I hadn't watched him. I’m a one-man band over here. Then I watched and was like...he's just so strong, such a ball winner." (10:15, 11:47)
• Injury/durability concerns shape views on Jordan Tyson ("He’s probably the most talented if healthy, but durability is a thing," 13:19).

Ohio State Factor

• Tate's pedigree boosts his prospects ("Ohio State run at this position...might be a tiebreaker," 14:21).
• Jeremiah: "The more you talk to people, the more you hear about [Tate’s] wiring, work ethic, intelligence, grit." (14:21)

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4. Offensive Tackle: Debates and Draft Reality

Fano (Utah) vs. Maui Noah (Miami)

• Most see Fano ahead; Jeremiah now has Maui Noah higher. Why?
  • Styles: Fano is agile, Maui Noah is stronger; Noah might be 345 lbs with <20% body fat.
  • Jeremiah: "If you can't get through a right tackle...that’s how I split the tie." (17:56, 21:00)

Draft Strategy

• Sometimes you overdraft OTs for need—there aren’t enough elite ones, even if edge class is deeper.
  • Jeremiah: "The pool, the divide has grown...there’s not a big talent pool of O-linemen. If you need one, you almost have to plug your nose and take them earlier than you'd like." (24:28)

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5. Edge Rushers: Three at the Top, Different Flavors

Bailey, Arvell Reese, Bain

• No consensus; close grouping, different styles:
  • Bailey – Elite athleticism, production
  • Reese – Most raw, physical, powerful
  • Bain – Bully, stout, versatile inside/outside
• Jeremiah: "They're all together, distinctly different styles...Bailey’s a little more sure, Bain's a bully, and Reese is raw but strong." (26:44)
• Amusing high school stat: Bain with "48.5 tackles for loss, 29.5 sacks as a junior...77 career sacks." (29:27)

Combine Workout Nuggets

• "Ankle flexion" as key trait; D-Line coaches value watching prospects "run the hoop" in combine drills to see bend. (34:03)
• College schemes often prevent guys from showing true pass-rush ability—combine drills fill in the scouting gap.

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6. Draft Evaluation Philosophies & “Perfect Fits”

Safety: Caleb Downs

• Some say not as elite as the buzz; impressive interviews, but "doesn't have as many splash plays" as Derwin James, Kyle Hamilton types.
  • Jeremiah: "I'm cursed on safeties. I watched Ed Reed daily. Downs will be very good, but not top-tier elite on tape." (35:34)

Team/Player Fits

• Jeremiah's favorite “too perfect” draft fits:
  • Sonny Styles (LB/S) and Washington: "That would be an unbelievable fit—Adam Peters has experience with Fred Warner." (45:49)
  • Omar Cooper Jr. to Rams: "The ramsiest receiver in the draft." (46:09)

Trend: NFL Teams Investing More in Player Development

• "Smart teams are hiring development 'caddies' to work with young players post-practice, just as baseball builds player plans." (42:37)
• Offensive line coaches are becoming as valuable as coordinators—developing mid-round OL is a major competitive separator. (43:45)

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7. Notable Quotes & Anecdotes

• Daniel Jeremiah on combine workouts:

  "Both of them, without question, said 'the hoop'—just running the hoop so I can see how they bend." (34:03)

• Jeremiah on Omar Cooper Jr.:

  "He runs through the ball—his feet always in the ground. Your speed plays if you run through the ball." (11:47)

• On Maui Noah’s frame:

  "He was verified like 345 (lbs) with less than 20 body fat. That changes your perspective." (18:49)

• On need vs. best player available:

  "If you need an OL, you almost must plug your nose and take one a little higher than you’d like." (24:28)

• Jeremiah on the Rams and WR fit:

  "Omar Cooper Jr. ... is the ramsiest receiver in the draft." (46:09)

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Notable Timestamps

• 04:53: Combine "headline" moments—QBs, edge/WR debates
• 06:43: Ty Simpson's early entrance/NIL money/NFL first-round promises
• 09:08: Breaking down wide receiver tiers, Tate vs. Lemon
• 11:47: Omar Cooper Jr. evaluation
• 14:21: Ohio State WR pipeline, tiebreakers in WR evaluations
• 17:56: OT debate—Fano vs. Maui Noah
• 21:00: OT draft strategy and positional value
• 26:44: Top three edge rushers—Bailey, Reese, Bain
• 29:27: Bain's wild HS statline
• 34:03: "Ankle flexion," combine evaluation process
• 35:34: Hesitancy on Caleb Downs as top-five safety
• 42:37: NFL teams’ development infrastructure
• 43:45: Offensive line coaches’ rising value
• 45:49: Daniel Jeremiah's “too perfect” draft fit (Sonny Styles to Washington)

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Memorable Episode Moments

• Early banter about hotel room backgrounds and art; both hosts joking about bad scenery and pride in keeping rooms tidy.
• On hotel art deals:

  Russillo: "You get that Marriott gig, you got all the artwork in those rooms—that guy's freaking rich, man." (03:50)

• Quick aside: high school football war stories ("let's just not get anybody hurt out here" vs. Maui Noah as a freshman, 18:49).
• Bain high school stats drop—pure comedy (29:27).
• Lively exchange on "ankle flexion" as a combine nerd-out term (34:03).

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode strikes a conversational, insider-y tone, with plenty of humor and candor. Daniel Jeremiah’s expertise shines as he walks the audience through not just the who, but the why behind draft debates. Russillo bridges the football talk with relatable observations, keeping things flowing smoothly. The dialogue provides both a detailed positional breakdown for draftniks and enjoyable banter for casual fans, with special focus on the quirks, strategies, and unpredictability of the NFL draft landscape.

If you want to know which names are climbing or falling before official combine numbers roll in, or understand how teams strategize need vs. value in an age where certain positions are always at a premium, this episode is a must-listen.

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For More

• Daniel Jeremiah: Move The Sticks Podcast, NFL Network Combine coverage (Thursday–Sunday)
• Ryen Russillo Show: New episodes every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday (Barstool Sports)

Transcript

[Ryan Rosillo]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, I mean, by the way, the respect I have for you. I mean, the bed is made back there. I mean, there's been no service yet this morning. But I mean, I don't know if it's somebody else probably disheveled back there, you know, but there was a lot of effort that went into getting that bed dialed in for you.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I think about it all the time because of the number of shows I'm doing from hotel rooms. And it's like, no way.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

There's no way to make it look good. It's just always. It's just, you know, generic hotel room shot. But the. But the disheveled bed's tough. Like, you got to have a little pride there.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I tried to get a mountainscape in a shot, like, turn things around because I was like, oh, this is going to look really good. And the series in my ear going, you're completely washed out. There's so much light. Like, you can't do this. All right.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

By the way, I've always wondered, like, who. Who sells the hotel art, by the way? Like, this is. This is the most.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Killing it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Look at that thing. Look at that thing.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Is that buffalo in the snow? What's going on?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think it's abstract, but somebody's crushing it. Somebody's selling somebody. Think about it. You get that Marriott gig and you're. And you got all the artwork in those rooms. That guy's freaking rich, man.

[Ryan Rosillo]

We've closed La Quinta, you know, so we get to pump out some meadow stuff here. I just love. Like, if you have just some guy who doesn't give. The bed isn't made. There's a pouch of land cast on a nightstand, and you're just like, what? Like, actually. Pizza box. Yeah. This guy doesn't care at all. All right. As everybody. I love talking about it. I can't. I can't wait to do this all the time. The Combine part of it. It's just fun because I think it's just a. It's essentially a convention for the NFL world. And. Oh yeah, there's also some stuff and some data points that we'll maybe find out. So as we head into it, is there kind of like a headline, an anticipatory thing where guys are milling around and, and like the big thing everybody's kind of excited about, at least for this next week?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, I mean, I think it's every year, the discussion always when you're talking with guys, whether it's agents or, you know, scout friends, GMs, coaches that you run into, everybody, quarterbacks always ends up coming up just because of, you know, there's always turnover with teams and there's veterans and what's going to happen because the free agent discussions are happening here, you know, potentially some trade discussions take place and then it's okay. Yeah, let's dig into this class and you know, I think everybody stems Mendoza, 1, 1. But then after that it gets pretty interesting. You know, just, hey, what's, what's the deal with Ty Simpson?

[Tom Ceruti]

Is.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Is he. Is he not going to go? That comes up all the time. And then I would say the, the two debates with the position groups is how do you stack the top three edge rushers? Everybody kind of has those three guys together. You know, Bailey, Bain, Reese, whatever order that you. That you have there. There's a lot of differing opinions. And then the receiver group, you know, kind of the flavors there of those guys. You know, how do you stack those guys? So those are probably the most common conversations I've had so far.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, I don't really want to do it. Like, I know how much I'm going to do on the quarterbacks. This is not the class to do it with. I mean, we've had some incredible draft classes in the past year. You were like, okay, well, it made sense that we were going to talk about the 24 class and like, just go quarterback crazy with the whole thing. But if I allow it, even though I didn't necessarily want to start, because we're not going to spend a ton of time on the quarterbacks here, at least with this visit. The Ty Simpson stuff I thought was interesting. And you came out with your top 50 on NFL.com, which I, I think is fairly new. And I was going over that again. You have Ty Simpson 40th, but you also had mentioned, like, there's at least discussion that he may have a better gauge on where he could go because he's turned down so much money for the nil. Knowing that it's not like he's turning down the nil. Nil money for the guaranteed like top 10 pick money.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. I mean, because it was. And that's actually visited with him on the phone over the weekend. I try and like connect with some of these guys just to, you know, be able to have a better frame of reference. And I didn't get into that specifically, but what I said is you're going to be asked by every team why you came out after 15 starts when there's the volume of data that we have that says that's not usually the best thing to do. And that's just, you know, it's well known around the college football landscape that there's 5,6 million bucks waiting for him for some of these other programs if you wanted to go into the transfer portal. So he, he, you know, you know, I'll let him speak for himself, but, you know, he, he provided some context there of, you know, hey, he was at Alabama for a long time playing against that defense every single day in practice. And he, you know, he played well. He only started 15 games. He played in like 30 games, 30 other games. So he feels like he's not just, you know, that sample size, but the theory that was going around and I didn't, you know, get into it with him, but was okay to make that leap, to make that move when you have the data that says, man, not a great track record for guys with that limited number of starts turning down that much money was. Well, yeah, sometimes the way this works is you talk your team or your, your agent or even you specifically. And his dad's a college coach, so he's dialed in there that somebody's given assurances like, hey, you're going to, you know, where we're picking. If you were there, we would take you. This is the, this is the, your, you know, this is the. As far as you would fall, it's like the fall line there. And they had given him assurances that he would be a first round pick. But, you know, that's not something anybody's ever going to admit or say on the record or, you know, go public with that. But there was a lot of thought that, okay, was there are the Rams that team, you know, were the Rams that team that said, hey, we've got two first round picks, you know, we can try and find our quarterback of the future. And. And that's why he decided to make that decision.

[Tom Ceruti]

Okay.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, it's like an NFL promise. We're used to that in the NBA world. Promises everywhere, fake promises, everything. Okay. The receiver class is really exciting. And if the way you've stacked it and I'm looking at your board here, you have Tate as, I guess, the most talented, but it doesn't mean necessarily that you would think he would go that high. How much separation is there for you? And I don't even want to limit it to maybe even the three guys with Lemon and then Tyson in there because I, I think the way, you know, again, everybody's kind of all over the place with this receiver class, but if you had to tear it out, like, how would you do it with this group?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, for me, I've kind of had Tate and Lemon, for me personally, kind of put themselves in their own category up there at the top. And it's, it's just a, you know, do you prefer the inside guy primarily with Lemon, or do you want the outside, more vertical player and Tate, so that's kind of a flavor thing and what you're looking for, I think Lemon will be more of a high volume guy, will catch a hundred balls. You know, Tate will be someone who's going to average 17 yards of catch and be a point producer down there in the red zone. But those guys are in their own tier for me. And then I've got three guys kind of in my middle tier, which starts with Jordan, Tyson. Then it gets to the bigger guy in Denzel. Boston, I think is going to run a lot better than people imagine from Washington. And then Omar Cooper Jr. Who, you know, I, people would ask. I get this question a lot, like, how the, you know, you had this guy move up and then in your top 50 rankings. And you know, I don't understand how you could go from unranked to 19th. Like with a guy like Omar Cooper Jr. I'm like, well, it's pretty simple. I hadn't watched him when I put my first list out. You know, I'm a one man band over here. So I've got, I got 330.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Honest answer. I love it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, but like, yeah, come on, man. I, I, I'm trying to my goal, I have to have all these guys watch before I do a conference call the week before the combine. Like, I don't just magically finish the NFL season and knock out 330 guys on tape. So that was where I was there. And I kept, after I watched him, I was like, all right, I need to get him in my top 50. Like, I'll like put him in. And I'm sure you do the same thing when you're in the NBA, guys, but I'm like, all right, this is. I'm gonna start him here at 45. And then it's like, you look at a house in a neighborhood, and you're like, oh, my gosh. He's just. He's just a way better football player than the guys. I got to move him up a little bit. And by the end of the exercise, you're like, I guess I better stop. I'm at 19, but I still have a weird sensation. Like, maybe I'm still too low on this guy. Like, he's just so. He's just such a good football player, so he. He factors in that next tier for me. And then you get, you know, a little bit of a gap, and then there's, you know, there's more. Led by Malachi Fields and a bunch more guys.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right, let's stay on Cooper, though, because when I saw that, I went, oh, okay. Like, this is the first time that I think that I've seen him up there. And look, I think it makes a lot of sense. Like, he's incredibly fluid. You trust him. I think there's a massive amount. There's a lot of fight in him, too. Like, he's like, you think this ball's yours, or like, you think. You take. Like, there's just some stuff, even around the goal line, where I felt like, man, this guy is just a baller. But it doesn't mean that, you know, is it. Is it a measurable thing? Like, what's happening with him? Is there a projection of where he's going to run? Where he seems to never even be, I would say, with Tyson and Boston. I've never heard him in the conversation prior to you.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, I mean, I think he'll run in the four force, you know, maybe. Maybe towards the higher end of that, but I think he'll be under 4 5, and that, you know, I've just looked at guys over the last few years that have transitioned really well and. And look at what's playing in the league right now. And you start with the Rams guys, you know, start when Cooper cup was kind of doing his thing, and obviously, you go down to Puka now, even Devonte. Devonte's 45 guy, you know, but he's a. He's a physical, you know, ball winner, tough. JSN has got, obviously, the quickness and the burst, but he's got incredible play strength. Almond Ross, St. Brown, who's, you know, Puts up numbers every year. These guys, the thing that they have in common is how strong they are. They're strong to the ball with their hands. They're strong in. In the ground with their feet. When they run through the ball like it's a. It. It sounds kind of silly, but, like, you can look a lot if you didn't. Even if you're watching every target to a player, and I didn't even watch his upper body, you watch guys that when the ball is thrown in the middle of the field and they run through the ball like they're. Their feet are never both their feet are never off the ground. They've always got one foot in the ground and they run through the ball, which. Which is going to allow you. Your speed's going to play. If you're four, five, well, you're running four or five all the way through the ball. If you're four, three and you've got to leave your feet and gather everything because you don't have confidence in your hands, well, the 43 doesn't mean anything because your. Your cleats aren't even in the ground. So when you get the ground, you don't get as many yards after the catch. So I just think Omar Cooper is so, so strong, and he's a ball winner. So I was a big fan.

[Ryan Rosillo]

If Tyson is healthy through the last two years, is he the best receiver in the class?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think he's got the most in his body. I think he's got the most talent. He's probably the most just loose, fluid. You know, his ability to kind of float up in the air and make acrobatic catches is exceptional. But I do think durability is a. Is a thing, you know, when you've been hurt every year. I don't think he's doing everything here at the combine, which is kind of a bummer because that's not the message that you want to send when you've kind of had some. Some injury issues. But I've heard he's a. He's a really good kid and he's really talented. I don't think he's like a, you know, four, low four, three, you know, speed. But I think he plays. He plays at top speed, so he's. Yeah, if you want to just go overall skill set, everything in your body, you could say he's got the most.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right. In the Tate Lemon conversation and. And you've already described it here a little bit like high volume versus, like taking the top off here a little bit Is there any part of you that goes, like, look, this Ohio State run at this position, like, that might be a tiebreaker if you were sitting in the room with both guys available on the board.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I mean, I had started out with Lemon. I flipped a Tate. So I guess guilty is charged. You know, like, I just. I don't know how you miss. And then, like, as you go through this process, at least as I go through it, you know, the deeper we get, the more people I get to talk to, the more people that have been around him, the people that have been around him at the school, the people that are working and training him, you know, at the workout facilities, and you start just hearing the same stories over and over and over again about, like, the wiring, the work ethic, the competitiveness, the intelligence, like, the grit that he has. And it's like, okay, well, the stuff on the field's really good. And now you're kind of painting in the rest of the picture and then you're trying to look at and go, okay, well, Marvin Harrison Jr. Has been a little underwhelming from what the expectation was, but it's hard to find any other Ohio statewide receivers that have been even better than you thought they were going to be.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, I definitely think, by the way, there's, like, way. And I. I know you realize this, but I don't want to sound as if I'm looking at him as this go route fascination thing, because I. I think over the years with Ohio State, sometimes I think it was part of the quarterback evaluation that was really tough. It was just like, they're so much better than 10 of the 12 teams they're going to play.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And now with the Big Ten being better and being deeper, especially with expansion, like, I think there's more weeks with Ohio State, and they're always going to play somebody out of conference, too, that maybe you feel a little bit better about the tape against the competition. But I think with quarterbacks in the past, like, I would just think of how dominant they were left versus whoever the other 11 were going to be. And it's like, oh, here's another wide open deep shot for Ohio State. They could probably throw these 10 times a game if they wanted to, but they're like, hey, let's let our running backs and other guys play too today, because this is such a free for all. Yeah. But again, I think the conference is so much better now that. That I. I'm not saying the same exact thing, but with Tate, you know, you've got all this talent You've got, you know, the best receiver in college football on the other side of the football field. So I did feel like there was more to his routes and stuff than, Than just somebody who were hoping to hit on a post once or twice a game. And then he ends up having huge yardage numbers. Right?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, he. He does a really good job of winning at the line of scrimmage with quickness. And then when you watch him get to the top of the route, like he's. I, I think he is best when he's just on the move. He's such a. He's so athletic and, and dynamic. Just gains ground with his, with his stride. But he's not stiff. Like he can get in and out of breaks. He can, he can work back to the quarterback. This is not someone who's going to limit what you want to do with him. And you know, you, you brought up a good point. I've been trying to hammer this home, which is for all the changes in college football that everybody's talked about. I mean, the realignment stuff from a scouting standpoint is awesome. You know, and especially it was cool when they, when they scheduled out a conference. I know Stark didn't think it was cool the way it ended up at the end of the year costing them, but, you know, to have that game on top of the full slate that they play in the Big Ten for all these Big Ten and SEC players, like, there's so much good on good, man. And you've got with the portal, these guys that have navigated their way into those conferences, you know, from, from outside the power four. It's never been better. There's never been better, you know, or more abundant supply of good on good tape than we have right now.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay, let's go to the two top tackles here because I've seen Fano, Utah, Maui Noah from Miami. I've seen them both in the top 10. I feel like those always ahead of Maui Noah. And it looks like you've now switched it. I don't know that I've seen anybody else have Maui Noah ahead of Fano. So what went into which I think is kind of a non consensus take on these two guys?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, I mean, some of it, again, you watch the tape and they're totally different stylistically. They both play right tackle, but Fino is a little more athletic and agile, you know, can move and Maui Noah just plays, you know, more strength and power. You're not going to be able to get through him. I. I don't know the length on either guy. We'll figure that out when we get here. Just to see, you know, how they are. There's been some talk about Fano is a little more narrow and he's not. He's not going to be a super long guy and he's not, you know, I don't know his weight, but the, the reports were he's right around £300. Well, I watch Maui Noah, a kid who I actually saw play as a freshman in high school against my son, like, he was out in California. And I was like, he's a freshman. And he was massive. And I was just like, this is not. Let's not get anybody hurt here. Like, to the point where the next year when they played that team, he had already transferred. I didn't know that, but we had a bunch of players hurt. And we're a small, little private Christian school. And I talked to the coach was

[Ryan Rosillo]

like, hey, we gotta.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

We got more games in the season here. Like, are you. Can you just. Like, let's, let's not. Let's not play these guys.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like, let's.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Let's not get any of these kids hurt out here. And then I did find out that kid went to img, so he was already off the table. But I watched him. Ryan, I had on my paper just estimates, so I had him at 3:10, 3:15 was the weight that I had. And I'm like, he looks a little bigger than that. I don't know. So. So this is maybe 10 days ago. I'm talking to a scout who's got really good, you know, connections with the. With the line coach there and, and their other guys on their coaching staff in the weight room. And he's like, I have a weight as of like, you know, November. And I'm like, what was. He's like, oh, he was verified like 345 with, like, less than 20 body fat. I'm like, well, it changes your perspective when you think you're watching a guy at 310 pounds and he's watching him move. And like, okay, he moves well, but not, you know, not. Not elite movement. And now I'm like, holy crud. That when you see a guy move like that at £345, it changes your. Your thought process a little bit.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. I wonder if, you know, again, this is just my untrained scouting eye because I was watching their cutups this week a little bit because I was like, you know, let me.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You're looking at a freak now. You're.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, but I don't really know what? I think Finoa is quicker out of his set. And I think when you line them up next to each other and you're watching and Maui Noah getting out of his stuff. Maui know is kind of slow. Like on a lot of the pulling stuff that I saw from him and I was like, God, you know, like, all right, he's coming out and he's. He's pulling, but it's not like quick. And then I just realized like, how spoiled we are with the special ones. It's like, so if you wanted to see Penny. So like, this is not. That guy's a freak. There's a reason why we talk about him, the weight. So like, maybe you're being a little too hard on these guys. And I was just trying to figure out like why you would have it flipped a little. Not to say like, hey, you're wrong. That's not what I'm doing here. But I think also the fact that Fino had played left tackle his freshman year and then is over right tackle, that's. That's probably one of those tiebreakers in a room too for some coaches that would go, hey, we already know this guy can, you know, lined up at two different positions here.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah. And I would say too, that different. It was a little different caliber of player they saw on a consistent basis. Like fo. I wish Bailey would have stayed over him that whole Texas Tech game, but it was a feeding. It was a feeding frenzy on the other side. They let him go over there and rush the other side and he had some, some success. But you know, I. They run the ball a ton at Utah, so he's not put in as many situations like that where Miami actually, their passing games are quick game the majority of the time, so you don't get to see him block as long as it is. I just. When I look at a guy like that, I think both of them have a high floor in the sense they could both fail to guard and be, you know, outstanding guards. But I just. If you can't get through a guy, like if you have a right tackle, which I think Maui know he's going to be, some people think he'll be a guard. I think he can play right tackle and he can be a dominant run blocker and you cannot get through him. You can't power him. He's going to be too big and too strong. So, you know, the only thing is you're going to get edged. Now you'd be worried about that a little bit with the speed component. But as A. As a quarterback, I'd much rather know that I have a firm, solid base there on the right side versus somebody's getting blown, getting their doors blown off, you know, right back into my lap. So that. That's how I split the tie. But to your other point, there's not. I had Slater and Sewell when they were coming out. That's a different. That's a different level of grade than I have on these guys.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. Looking at. It was so unfair when I was doing it, because I was thinking about Seoul going, all right, well, why. Why are you.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Joel, Another one. Joe Alt was on another. Another level as well. I mean, these guys are like, I think, like my 12th or 14th overall players. Like, these are not guys that I have, like, top five grades on.

[Ryan Rosillo]

But I see Fino going third in a lot of mock.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think now I know it's got a chance to go third as well. I think both those guys are in play just because of the need. There's. And I think they're both good, solid players. Yeah, I have them 12 and 14, so.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. But I guess I'm. I guess it's the part of the draft process where, and I remind, you know, myself and the listeners all the time is like, I couldn't believe how much when I first. First started working at espn and you're having the draft guys come by and all this stuff, and they're just talking about need, need, need all the time. And I'm going, like, well, you know, if you're sitting there going, hey, we have a tackle that doesn't necessarily move as quick as, like, the other elite guys in other classes. We really need a tackle. So we know free agency. It probably means if one's available, then there's something wrong, and then we're going to be overpaying them. Although, again, with the way that the cap goes up, it's like, all right, whatever. You may not like the money that's guaranteed in this deal in 26 in the off season, but if he's good enough and he's starting three years from now, it's not some crippling contract, but to the greater point, like, all right, so you're sitting there at three and you need a tackle and you don't like the free agent market and you're not maybe a destination, you've got to pay that kind of like Patriots tax that they were paying on free agents back in 25. I'm like, if somebody's in the room telling me, hey, he could fail the guard, Robert Gallery style. I, I don't. Which again is one of the most unbelievable like not all time tackles that like I'll still never forget. Like talking about him being like this is the cleanest prospect in this draft class, there's no way he's not going to make like all pro teams. But if somebody's going a he could fail the guard, I'm like, well then let's just take one of the edge guys. Yeah, if it's a stacked edge class and we need a tackle and you're telling me hey his floor is not that bad, then I'll just take Bain Bailey or R.L. reese.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, I, I think that's the logical way to look at it and I, you know, I'm always going to be in the best player available camp. The problem is, you know, if you look at these teams that are playing at the end of the year almost every single year. If you look at the time the final four teams and you look at roster construction like you'll find pass rushers littered all throughout. You will, you know they'll usually within the first couple rounds. But like offensive tackles, it's almost always high picks. Like it's almost. You're having to overdraft them. The pool, the, the divide has grown so wide where the number of pass rushers we produce every year versus a limited number of talented offensive tackles that we produce. It's, it's, it's, it just continues to grow like it's not, is not a big talent pool of offensive linemen. So if you need one, you almost are forced to have to plug your nose and take them a little higher than you'd like.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, I, I totally get it. I totally. It just would be really hard for me to hand in that card knowing

[Daniel Jeremiah]

that I have a total different grade. Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. Like I have a 60 chance of like having a really special edge guy. So let's go through it. The Game Time app gives the advantage back to the fans. It's the hack for unlocking amazing tickets and experiences in a few taps. It's incredibly easy to use and the game time guarantee means you can Trust you'll get 100% authentic tickets on time and at the best price. Plus fees are always included. So what you see is what you pay. I was looking at tickets for Wolves Clippers tomorrow and tickets are starting at $36. That means I'm going to be in the checking out this Clippers depth and also somebody named Anthony Edwards. Ever heard of him? Take the guesswork out of buying NBA tickets With game time, download the Gametime app, create an account, use the code RESILLO for 20 off your first purchase terms apply. Again, create an account and redeem code resillo for $20 off. This might be a taste thing. This might be a fit thing. As much as it's anything, which is part of the conversation, we're talking about at least the top three guys in this edge class. But is it, is it Arvell and Bailey and then a gap to Bain? Is it all three of them together? So tell us kind of like where it is. If you're sitting there and all three of these guys are on the board.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think they're all together. I, I, I would not say there's any gap. There's any, you know, cliff that you get from, you know, 1 to 2 or from 2 to 1. It is distinctly different styles and it's the, the first debate that you have to have I think is with Bailey and then with Reese, which is the classic, you know, kind of, you know, production potential. I just think that when you look at Bailey's combination of the existing production and a long track record of production to go with the elite like traits, the athleticism, the explosiveness. Now he's not as, he's not as strong or as powerful. He's going to bench, he'll, he'll weight white weight room wise he'll be off the charts. Bailey will. But he doesn't play as heavy handed or as physical as Arville Reese when Arvo Reese gets out there over tackles and tight ends. But you know, Arvel Reese is still, he's very raw as a rusher. He doesn't have much of a plan. There's a little bit of imagination that needs to take place there of, of his growth and development. But so that's where I kind of came down on that thing. I was like, okay, well I'm going to lean towards Bailey is a little more, I feel a little more sure about what I'm getting with him in that competition. Well then you get to Bane and bring him into the mix. Okay, well Bane doesn't have quite as much twitch or juice. He's just a bully and physical and knows how to play. Like he's so instinctive and he's going to dominate against the run. You can rush him inside and, and guards are not going to be able to block him. Like he's, I was talking to somebody the day they said, okay, you get kind of like an Ed Oliver type if you want to play him inside or you get kind of A more athletic, you know, a little bit more raw edge, edge rusher. But he gives you a lot of different options there. So I put him as three. But to me, if you're like the Tennessee Titans at 4 and I've got Jeffrey Simmons and I've got Robert Sala and we're trying, we're trying to establish ourselves in a division where Jacksonville's become one of the more physical teams in the league. Like, we're going to value guys who were a little more stout, strong, physical, put him next to Jeffrey Simmons and then, you know, we can kind of check the brakes on every guard and tackle in the league with those two guys.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. If Bane ends up being the best of this group, we're all going to just go back and be like, what, what were we doing? Why are we overthinking this? This guy's like, you know what? I called him a bully too.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

You know what I saw on him? I'm gonna pull it up because I looking this up in our little, we had all the, the research stuff for the combine. So I was looking at his high school stuff. I was laughing my butt off here. How's this for a high school year? 5 a co defensive player of the year as a junior, 48 and a half tackles for loss, 29 and a half sacks, 77 career sacks. Led Miami Central to four state titles. I was like, that's not, that's not a bad high school career. I think.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Wait, he had 48 tackles for loss in one season.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

In his junior year it was 48 and a half. Don't forget the half.

[Ryan Rosillo]

48 and a half. I never will.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

How would you, I always think of it like, how would you like to be a high school kid? Like, I played against Darryl Russell when I was in high school, you know, was the, what, top five pick of the Raiders. And it just, you just walk out there, you're like, this is not this. Somebody's gonna get hurt. These guys don't belong out here with these little high school kids. And I just imagine Bane just, just pulverizing. Pulverizing high school kids.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, it's just a lot of. There's like 12 kids that play soccer now.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Because of 100 Bang false sports.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Like, no, I'm not checking that box again. I'm good.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I like Bailey the best out of the group. But it's not because I've, I've looked at any of the tape. I, I look. That Oregon game was as one sided as any of these games, right? Yeah. And yet I think his tape from that Oregon game is incredible from start to finish.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And I would add, you know, different discussion, but when you get to the defensive tackles, I would say Lee Hunter, that was one of the best defensive tackle games of anybody. It was a shame. They just not. They did not get any offensive production. I would have loved to have seen that defense advance all the way through with Rodriguez and the whole group that they had there. It was a good front man.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. I mean, look, it wasn't like Dante Moore lit it up against those guys. It was just a turnover fest and they couldn't do anything. And that's why Tech was like, let's go get a, like an awesome quarter.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Like, Bucks, come on over.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Bring your family. Yeah, we're. We're good.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Was the girlfriends of volleyball? Is that what it was?

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't know. I don't. I don't have all the data you have.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, I think his girlfriend got more runoff volleyball scholarship as well.

[Ryan Rosillo]

That would be amazing if you just started. Like, one of my buddies loves to swim. Can. He can be on the swim team. Like, sign him up. Here's your hat.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, why not? Yeah. I always wonder how that conversation goes with, like, the sibling that plays, you know, baseball or whatever. Just use the football coach. Does he just have the juice? Just like, hey, you got a new third baseman. He's like, what? He's like, yeah. Well, you're taking him because his brother can really rush the quarterback.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, maybe, maybe utility by the end of the year, but, yeah, he's gonna start at third. All right, I'm gonna give our guy McShay some love here. I watched his Cash's Howell tape, and he was, he was just, he was screaming, he's not Von Miller. He's not Von Miller. He's not Von Miller. He's like. But he kind of reminds me of Von Miller. So he was trying to do his best to not have it be turned into. He was comparing him to Von Miller. But is there somebody that you go, hey, we know the high profile guys. We just, you know, spend a bunch of time on them. But are there any other edge guys in this really deep class? It's like, hey, the talent that I'm getting late first, second round here with some of these guys in a weaker class. These guys are all first rounders. Is there somebody like that, that now that you've gone through more of the tape, like, I just, I know he's not going first round or whatever. I know he's not going top 20, but I love this guy.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, yeah, I mean, I, I think I was going to end up going in the first round. He might run in the four floors like he can fly. I, I don't think he's quite as loose at the top and quite as bendy as Vaughn was because Bond just had that, Vaughn just had that.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't know that anybody is.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, that's, that was freaky. And, and he was longer. Like Vaughn had a long, real long arm.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So I've asked Vaughn Miller if he's had like any measurements done on his body that, that describe why he can be horizontal but still be running.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

But there's the term that I'm trying not to use at the combine because it just sounds like you're just so nerding out. But like it's like ankle flexion, you know, like just the, the, the ability to really flex your ankle, to be able to turn that, that corner.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Hey, it's huge right now, right? Because I saw some post where the whole thing was this football coach talking about how lacrosse coach had said all of our look for lacrosse guys because they can cut and how, how close to horizontal they can get their shin bone to the ground. Granted, it's not ever going to be parallel, but the angle of the best players, they always had so much more flexion where the worst players were. The guys that never had it was always like at 45 degrees. So I, I don't know if it's true or not, but I loved it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, that's, that's the real thing. I was, I had coffee the other

[Ryan Rosillo]

night with an ankle flexion expert.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, exactly. We just talked about ankle flexion over a nice cup of coffee. Which by the way, one of those deals where you're like, why are we drinking coffee at 8 o' clock at night? I'm not going to sleep. But I was with two D line coaches and we were talking about the workouts and I was like, hey, like, be real. Like, what do you, what do you get out of the workouts?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like what?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Like, if I could just tell you you only get to do one thing with this workout with defensive lineman, like, what would you, what would it be? And I'm like, you. I could give you like running, jumping, any of the, on field tests, what would it be? He said both of them without question, like, oh, the hoop. Like just, just running the hoop. Like if I could do anything, I just want to watch those guys run around the hoop so I can see how they can bend. And he, and they said it was A great point, which I didn't really think of was, you know, they don't get a lot of these coaches, these college teams, they don't give them the freedom to rush high and to. And to, you know, win outside on the edge and speed. There's a lot of tight alignments. There's a lot of rushing three. And they're play with a spy because you get a lot of these college quarterbacks that can run, but he said they don't really. There's not many teams that will widen guys out off the edge like you're going to see in the NFL and let them win outside. He's like, we've talked to players and they're like, look, I get in trouble, I am allowed to rush inside or through their pads, but I am not allowed to rush wide because you're just going to create seams for. For these guys in college who will take it and go run on you. So, like, we don't. We can watch a guy for, you know, his whole season, watch all his passers. We don't really get a chance to see him bend. So that. That would be the one thing we take from it. And. And it's because. Ankle flexion, Brian. That's it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I love it. I'm going to put that in the title. Is it fair to say you consistently seem. This is going to sound negative, lukewarm on Caleb downs.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Well, I really like him. I really.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah.

[Tom Ceruti]

Not.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Not as much as other people do, but.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I know. But I would.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's. It's a.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

It's a complex thing. I just. I have a little bit of a curse when it comes to safeties. I was with. I was with the Baltimore Ravens four years and watched Ed Reed every single day while we were in the division with Troy Palomalu, watching him twice a year. Then I took a job. For the last eight years, I've called Charger games. I called every single one of Derwin James's games. So I've kind of seen what the top shelf of that position looks like. And, you know, and I've seen even you look at some of the guys have come into league. Like, you look at Hamilton, you look at even, you know, how Eman Worry played last year. I can go back through a whole host of guys that you've watched over the years from, you know, Eric Barry, you know, a lot of these guys. And I. I think he is a rock solid football player who's incredibly good tackler, probably one of the best tacklers down in the box. You'll see from a safety, he does not have elite size and you know, range in terms of like, you know, length. And I think he's a high plays like a high four four guy, not like some type of a, you know, Imawari, you know, height, weight, speed freak. And then he doesn't have the, the as many splash plays as you see from some of these other top tier guys. Now that doesn't mean to me that he's not a top 10 player in the draft. And I got two texts last night from teams. I always like send out some flyers like, hey, any good interviews? And literally one Caleb Downs best interview we've had. I, and I can't remember the last time we've had one. I said, another team? And I said, what do you, you know, interview wise, Caleb Downs was by far the best. So then I send another, another text message. I go, who was the worst interview that you had? He gives me the name of the player. He goes, but I don't know honestly if he was that bad or if it was the fact he followed Caleb Downs. So it's like, okay, well like I'm like, what is it about him? He's just, he is so professional and so like routine oriented and dialed in. Like, you know, he is, he's, there's, it's, he's fail proof. He's going to be a really good player. But it, I just wrestle with all this stuff. I mean, I talked to, when I was talking to Ty Simpson and I said like, tell me something about Caleb Downs when you're with him at Alabama that I wouldn't know because, well, we brought him in. He came in in the spring like all these high school kids. So he's not even technically enrolled at the school. We're in Bull Prep and we're riding, you know, from the practice back to the hotel on the bus and I'm sitting next to him. So here he is. He should be a senior in high school. He's not even eligible to play in this bowl game. And the whole bus ride he's studying the defensive game plan for the bowl game that he's not even allowed to play in the entire bus ride back to the hotel, like he was all, all business. So that, and then to complicate it even more, to make it more of a muddy picture for me, like I did. Igbosan was one of the last Ohio State guys I had done while I was doing the corners. And so I go through three games and throughout those three games, like, oh, gosh, Sonny Styles, like, oh, look at that. You know, the kind of splash play takes your attention. Oh, there's Arville Reese. I got to the end of the three games and I'm like, gosh, I didn't really, you know, I didn't really feel Caleb Downs in, in those three games when you're not really dialed in and watching him. So to get to it, it's. I'm confused. It's very complicated. I think he's really good. I just don't have him in that as a player on tape in that elite, elite echelon.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well, you're totally right about him not showing up in the course. Like, I probably watch a ton of Ohio State games because it's usually a game I want to watch. You know, they're, they're on, it's in a good slot. And when you're playing the game of. All right, which screens do I want on which teams? Like, Ohio State's always going to be one that's on there. And when Saban as a freshman calls down is the best player on the team, like that, you know, perks you up. Then it's like, okay, he portals up, they win a title. And I feel like you noticed him more last year than you did this year. But there are long stretches of games where like, I'm not noticing him and his name's not being called out and all that different stuff. But I wonder sometimes if like, that's the safety position or if he had had such a rep at some point that it's like, there's just not going to be a lot of ball statistics for him because nobody wants to, to go at him, run support. He's terrific. And I'm glad you brought up the Derwin James thing because and you've even brought up another one of my favorite players in the NFL, like Jeffrey Simmons has had this like burst onto the scene. Absolute beast. And then it's kind of like, hey, what's going on with Jeffrey Simmons? Oh, is Jeffrey Simmons available? Like, should he go somewhere else? Should they cash out on. And then he just finishes up this past year where he was a monster again. And I think Derwin has had years where you're like, okay, this is ridiculous what this guy's capable of. And then there's kind of like a non momentum season in there. Maybe he's dealing with injuries a little bit and then you kind of forget about him. And then I feel like I just watched this, this Chargers defense finish up with so many guys that I love Derwin being At the top of the list where I'm like, no, no, this is, this is who he is. Like, he is somebody that has shown us this level and he's still young enough to know that like when things break right, he's still capable of having these kinds of. And it does remind me a little bit of like the Caleb conversation because like, all right, so we didn't, we didn't hear him a ton or we didn't necessarily. But is, is that sometimes like becoming victim of that position where if the offense is decided that they're not going to do anything with you, kind of like the corner on one side that everybody's afraid of throwing to, could, could the tape just not be as good? But it seems like again, this, this is your world, you've done this. It seems like maybe there's some trait stuff on top everything else with him that you don't think it's like the high, high end, elite stuff as well.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, I mean, to me it's, you know, Derwin James, good game, bad game, attack, not attacked. Is 6 foot 3, you know, 220 pounds and is like a legit, like low 4, 4, high 4, 3 speed. Like you notice him even if he's not making plays, it's just they kind of stand out. Whereas with him, I, I, we'll see when he checks in here, I'm guessing he's going to be right around six foot, you know, maybe 205. So physically not as imposing. And then he doesn't play over the top as much. So you're not seeing him just, you know, even if you're not making a play, I can see you on, in the middle of the field range, get all the way over to the sideline.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You know, he's closer to the line of scrimmage.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

They play him as a horse player. So now I, I think he's fully capable of doing that. You just don't get a chance to, you know, see it all the time.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Let's talk a little bit about development because I thought in your last pod you touched on it and you're like, hey, this could be its own podcast in itself. And it's happened with basketball too, where teams have really tried to recalibrate their organizations to go, we need to get the right people in here that we can then look at a three year run of developing somebody. And it's tougher when you have less roster spots. Baseball, you have four or five farm systems.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Which, you know, you could talk from a cost standpoint, like, does that actually make a ton of sense. But with football, it's. And you know how it is with these coaches, like, they're thinking about, I could get fired in two years. So, like, do I really have time to develop? But do you feel like the NFL is shifting in a very quick amount of time towards looking at more of a development model that also influences the draft?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah, no, I think that's what the smart, cutting edge teams are doing. And I think you're going to see more of them get into it, which is have an. I call them almost like a caddy. So you got a coach and a caddy. So the coach, we got to get ready to win the game this week. We're getting our guys ready to go. You know, the guy's going to be on the service team and then as practice ends, I've got the caddy who's the young development guy for our players, who's going to be working with them, helping them to improve, helping them to learn, working on some of the fundamental stuff they need to work on. The coach is just the regular position coach is not going to have time to do that with those guys. So it's having a plan. You know, with baseball, they always meet with guys at the end of the year and talking to my buddies in that world and it's like, hey, here's our plan for you. Like, you're a pitcher. We've got to get more velo or we got to work on this pitch shape or this grip. You know, with football players, we didn't really traditionally do that. Like, hey, you know, make sure you're working hard in the offseason. We'll see you back here at the, at minicamp. Like, they're crafting these plans for these guys to get them, you know, improving and doing it on a daily basis, which means there's some big staffs. You got to have some, some, some financial investment support there.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'm starting to think that O line coaches should be paid as much as offensive coordinators too.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I think some of them are headed that way.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I, I just, I, I say it all the time. I'm completely spoiled seeing Dante Scarnecchia over the years where even if it looked like they had a protection problem and be like, they'll figure it out, they'll adjust, they'll change something, they'll come out, they're not going to have the same protection problems for 60 minutes. And I wish you could clone skarnekia and then put them on 32 NFL teams because I've just never Ever seen anything like it. And that's why, again, you, when you were watching those games all the time. But they also would always like, hey, who the hell's that guy? Like, who's, who's Stephen Neal? Like, what the hell's going to happen here? And there was always, like, I always felt like the Patriots, hey, here are our five guys. But we're always going to have like a couple projects here and we know we have the best O. Line coach. Maybe, you know. Well, I'd say presently, because I'm not going to get an argument with the Howard Mudd fans out there, but there's, there's just something to be said of, like, you can tell there are teams that probably go, well, we hope our guys can play.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And, and other teams, they're thinking almost like the way a manager uses a bullpen.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Where there's some managers in baseball that are like, get me the win tonight. And there's other managers that are like, I don't care how much I take after the game, if we blow this, I've got arms for six plus months and then maybe even further into the playoffs. And when it comes to offensive line talent on teams, I think there's, there is a, I mean, you tell me if I'm right or wrong here on this, but a clear separation of, like, planning where it's kind of cool when teams are going. It's. It's all right if we don't think this guy is ready right now to play offensive line. But there's enough traits here we trust ourselves on the development side of things that, that we're also thinking about the roster two years from now, which I know is what everybody says they want to do, but I. Clearly, they're not.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

There's no such thing as an underpaid offensive line coach. If you get one of the top five to seven guys, there's usually, you know, that's kind of the number of the elite, elite players.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Before we finish up here, can you give me, like, hey, higher pick. Team need knowing their coaches, whatever they want. And the player like, hey, this makes too much sense for it to not happen in the draft.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I love Sunny styles with Washington, you know, like, that's a, that's a high pick. That's a. You know, they've got a lot of different directions they could go there. But I just think about Adam Peters being around Fred Warner and in San Francisco. I think, oh, my gosh, like, that would be an unbelievable fit there. And then, you know, you kind of, you go beyond that if you want to go down a little bit later on in the draft. I know the Rams don't necessarily have a need here, but if Omar Cooper ended up being a Rams pick and was available for them, you know, maybe their second first round pick, if he were down there, I'm like, this is the ramsiest receiver in the draft. Like, of course he's going to go there.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Great way to end it. At Move the Sticks, you can check out his podcast Move the Sticks, and of course NFL Network's coverage of the NFL Combine that'll be starting up tomorrow through the weekend. Thanks, man.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Thanks, buddy.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right, before we move on, a quick word on the tool that keeps people's workflow tighter than my takes. Microsoft 365 copilot the world moves fast. Your workday even faster. Pitching products, drafting reports, analyzing data. Microsoft 365 Copilot is your AI assistant for work built into Word, Excel, PowerPoint and other Microsoft 365 apps you use, helping you quickly write, analyze, create and summarize so you can cut through clutter and clear a path to your best work. Learn [e-mail] emma365 copilot before we get to life advice, the alliance here marches on with Ceruti, with Kyle. Whose board is it tonight?

[Tom Ceruti]

Well, first we gotta talk about King of the Court, which I thought I had locked up last night with Maxi. Going into the last game I was worried about Luca and then it ends up my guy Paolo just takes it home.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, he kind of won in a

[Tom Ceruti]

roundabout way so I'm not actually that mad about it. It was a great game. Paolo had an awesome game so I can't be mad.

[Ryan Rosillo]

But yes, Tyree, 17 points in the third quarter for Paolo.

[Tom Ceruti]

Also efficient.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Just saying it was looking like an all time like going to give it to Cerutty because you had some words about Ayton on 10 good minutes yesterday and then Ayton is just destroying him and Luca has like 11 assists I think at the half right around there and then he just couldn't shoot it all that well. And then Paolo just takes over. Takes over.

[Tom Ceruti]

Very comfortable with my Aiden position.

[Ryan Rosillo]

For the record, you should be. You know, I think you're going to be fine. So.

[Tom Ceruti]

So King of the Court. I almost got my. That would have been two in a row for your boy, but we've all had.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay, well then I guess the board is yours, Rudy. I guess that's what you're saying.

[Tom Ceruti]

I'll take it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Is that what he's saying. Kyle.

[Kyle]

Yeah. Would you. Ties and the two. Yeah, you factor in the ties or the pushes and the two. Almost king of the court. I guess it. That adds up to a stat.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I think guys going on vacation soon.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah, the best. Amazing. Let's go.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Advance.

[Tom Ceruti]

I have it. Two bets in a row.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

I'm just saying.

[Tom Ceruti]

So this is. I guess this is probably where it ends, but I'm going to take. I'm going to take Jalen Brown over points. So it's 29, and I was kind of wishing it was 27 and a half. Just moved up to 28 and a half. So 29 or more points tonight for Jalen Brown. We were just talking about him on the, on speaking of 10, 10 good minutes. We were talking about him. I mean, the problem is he's, he's. He puts up a ton of points, so I'm not really worried about that in this. And they're playing Jokic. I think he'll be up for this game. So I think he scores 30 in this game. So give me Jalen Brown over 29 points.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay, Kyle.

[Kyle]

Well, in an attempt to normalize relationships with the Cleveland Cavaliers and, and James Harden, I'm taking James Harden eight plus assists tonight. I think that's minus 130something. So we should be able to hit that sweet zone of.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Of what our odds should be. All right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna fade myself here a little bit because I was looking at it and I was really. Yeah, no, just because Cleveland looked really good last night, that next game, and it wasn't a tough game from an exertion. An exertion standpoint. So you go into the back to back deal here because Miami played back to back last night against Milwaukee and that's the whole point. Or excuse me, Miami lost to Milwaukee last night in Milwaukee. So it's also a back to back for the Bucks. So again, the whole point. Rosillo, get to it. Cleveland's -8 and a half against Milwaukee. There's no Giannis. You're looking at that number. You're like, oh, I can lay the eight and a half. But I don't know if you know this. The Sneaky Milwaukee Bucks 7 and 2 in their last nine. So it doesn't make any sense. Again, I don't think that was in a high exertion game for Cleveland. And they're back to back. Feel like Milwaukee's just playing with house money, this whole thing. So originally I was like, lately eight and a half. I think I'm going to go cool guy pick and go the other way and say Milwaukee plus eight and a half.

[Tom Ceruti]

All right, so we got Jalen Brown 29 or more points and then we're a Cavs pod where James Harden pod Harden over assists and the Cavs to cover Jimmy H. Let's go +470. Let's do it, boys.

[Ryan Rosillo]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

Bye.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And best of all, kids, I am liquid.

[Kyle]

So now you know what's possible.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Let me tell you what's required. Life Advice lifeadvice rrmail.com all right, let's keep this show going, guys. I have some feedback. We have one email that I think is just too, too much. Like it's a very to me too high stakes.

[Kyle]

What?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, I mean there's some like real family dynamics on the line here. So I don't, I don't know, I may have to. Maybe I'll read it tomorrow when we tape for the Thursday overnight into Friday pod release and just a announcement. I guess after like four months the schedule has changed. But the Thursday pod is not late, the Friday pod is early. Correct. So we've had Some complaining. Yeah.

[Tom Ceruti]

Because we used to release that Friday pod way too late and we knew it, but it was, you know, part of kind of what we had to do at the old place. We. We didn't tape Thursday night because, you know, we just. There was other somebody else in the time slot. So we, so we, we're just taping them earlier now so that it's either you can listen to it Thursday night or you can listen to it Friday morning. It's all. It's still going to be good.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, that's it. So it's. We tape it and we try to get it out for you so you can have it late Thursday into Friday morning as opposed to. I mean, I think some of those Friday pods are releasing like, hey, it's 7:00pm on Friday Eastern Eastern time.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah, we get it wasn't awesome. We didn't love it either, but, you know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Hey, do you have to go out to dinner? Nope.

[Tom Ceruti]

No, we're still.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I just dropped

[Kyle]

Quick lock in before the weekend activities.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, he's got something on this Usman Jang guy, I guess. Speaking of the Bucks.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Maybe that's why. A little sneaky. Usman love. They're just out. The Bucks are just out there firing right now on all cylinders. Is there enough talent on this Bucks team to convince Giannis wants to stay? I think now, by the way, is an aside on the Yanis thing. Maybe he just wants that massive four year extension goes Bradley Beal style. Is like, all right, get the extension. All right.

[Tom Ceruti]

The only time that Bradley Beal and Giannis will be compared in the same sentence.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yes, that's it. It's the only way. It was just a theory. I'm not sure that it's even right. Maybe he gets traded this summer. Don't ask him though, because that doesn't solve anything. My God. All right, Long Island Live show requests. We have a bunch. We've had venues reach out. People. People want it to happen. I'm. I'm not against it at all.

[Tom Ceruti]

Kyle and I are close, so. Yeah, listen, I'm not.

[Kyle]

Early summer. Come on.

[Tom Ceruti]

Great. Yeah. On montage.

[Ryan Rosillo]

We do it late fall.

[Kyle]

Yeah, that would work.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I know. I think we got to go into the. Said we can't go fancy. You got to go in it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, okay.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Me, Andy Cohen and John Mayer walking me into my live show. I don't want that.

[Tom Ceruti]

That would be a dream. Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. I mean, I want guys, but I, I would rather. I'd rather just Islanders fans, you know, get me in that grimy area. And then maybe I'll go stay somewhere else.

[Tom Ceruti]

But I don't even know where you go in Long island going.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like, I have no idea. I don't know anything about it.

[Tom Ceruti]

I couldn't tell you.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's all. The whole origin story is only because when I land at JFK and I can see the outline of the island, I'm like, I wonder what that's like.

[Kyle]

What's going on down there?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah,

[Kyle]

like Oklahoma. You're like, what is that?

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's exactly, but it's a lot smaller. And I just look at it and I'm. I'm endlessly fascinated by it because I'll just go like, that part looks like a city, and then that part looks like kind of a rough neighborhood. But I don't know. There's probably some good pizza and there's a high school. And, like, what? I have played high school football there. Who knows? Probably not. It's pretty skinny.

[Kyle]

Seruti West.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Cool. No, that high school even captain the team.

[Tom Ceruti]

Settle on. Everybody settle down. I'm not.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Never gonna stop. I'm never gonna stop doing it. By the way, that one I'm not gonna stop doing. Okay, so anyway, live show request. 25 years old, 6 to 200 pounds, running the Brooklyn half in April. I like that. That's what a Long island guy would do. He's like, I got a half marathon. I can bang out. Squat365, bench235, deadlift424. You know exactly where your PR is. That's great. I'm a native Long Islander after growing up primarily in the Southeast, Georgia, South Carolina. That doesn't make that sentence. Doesn't make it to me. Yeah, but that's okay. We don't care. We don't judge people from our. After growing up.

[Kyle]

Okay.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'm a native of Portugal. After my first 50 years, I saw

[Kyle]

the barstool guys were taking the Wonderlic test. I'm like, that seems like a question where you're like, what's wrong with this sentence?

[Tom Ceruti]

Anyway, that was a tough look, too.

[Ryan Rosillo]

What was it?

[Tom Ceruti]

It was. What is the percentage of 17 out of 20?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yes. Could you guess on the fly?

[Tom Ceruti]

Well, math. Math under pressure. I don't want to act like that's easy. It's not. And I was.

[Kyle]

It was a classic multiple choice where it's like 87 or 85 and you're like, 85 seems too easy. Like it was the classic multiple choice where two of them were just too close.

[Ryan Rosillo]

One of them you know, so you wouldn't split the 17 in half and then get to the percentage out of 10.

[Tom Ceruti]

That's what I did. I was like, what is. Yeah, what's. You know, if eight out of 10 is 80, then one half of that is 85. That's how I did in my head. But again, I'm doing it not under

[Ryan Rosillo]

the pressure, on the spot. Content. Yeah, I. I mean, I'm leaning towards

[Kyle]

87 on the spot because it just seems. 85 seems too clean, and 7 is like. I'm telling you.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like, that's pretty close, right? It's not 90. 87. Right.

[Kyle]

Seven's not even an even number. I mean, what the hell?

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't. I don't think that's an awesome spot to be in on the fly. And it's content and it's math. I don't. I don't know.

[Tom Ceruti]

But I'd love to take the Wonderlic, though. I would like to know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

They made us take it at my first internship.

[Tom Ceruti]

Jesus.

[Kyle]

That's got to stress you out. Your first internship.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It was awful.

[Kyle]

Am I going to be officially stupid?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, it was, I don't know, 1999. And the. My guy, Lars Liffrack, he was the anchor. And I walked in. Yeah, that was his name. It was always funny because he was like, you think you'll change your name when you're an anchor? Because it was like, at that point, I was going to be an anchor, right? And I was like, no, I like my name. He goes, don't change it. He goes. I. He goes, people try to get me to change my name all the time. Like, they did Lars Lifrack. And by the way, I don't know if he. Maybe this makes his way back to him. He was awesome to me. He was like a sports psycho in the best possible way. He just knew everything, loved everything. He's like, radio is actually way more fun. And I was like, no way. I'm going to be, like, a hot anchor, like Craig Kilborn and then move to LA after three years. That's my plan. I'm going to do the Kilborn here.

[Tom Ceruti]

Did you ever find the tape?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, I have it somewhere. It's on beta, though. My tryout tape.

[Tom Ceruti]

Wow. We upload that to. Yeah, I don't know. We got to get that somewhere.

[Kyle]

Yeah, you gotta make a Patreon for that. That's a paywall. That's a fucking paywall.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's fucking brutal. I do, like, a endurocross story. I do a thing on these Kayak guys that were in, I think, Shelburne, Vermont, that were training for the Olympics.

[Kyle]

It's like Wide World of Sports stuff right there.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, I don't know that I did anything normal. And I'm awesome in it, too. Just sick chinos pleated as button down. My best button down. So I probably was like, this thing. Okay, this is the look T shirt underneath the button down. And I'm just. I think I had a. Like a zit that I had to cover up to the side of my face. Not professional makeup. Just dousing myself. And what was available at. We didn't have Sephora back then, but anyway, when I first started interning there, because this is right at, like, the end of, let's say, college window, but still in town getting credits, accumulating stuff for the degree. They.

[Kyle]

It's a nice way to put it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

He goes, hey, you got to take the Wonderlic. Like, I just. I show up at like, 6:00 clock for the two nightlies, and I'm like, what? He's like, you got to take the Wonderlic. He's like, we're all taking it. I was like,

[Kyle]

can I get this sealed? Is there a way to get.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I know.

[Tom Ceruti]

How'd you do?

[Ryan Rosillo]

I actually did. I did all right.

[Tom Ceruti]

They have, like, a bullet. They just put everyone's name and their

[Ryan Rosillo]

score, and they were super disappointed that I did as well as it. Because they kind of thought I was an idiot. Oh, man. So I don't know. I don't know if I would do as well now because I was a student then, you know, I was locked in.

[Tom Ceruti]

Well, you could. You could still. I mean, it's just a logic test, isn't it?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, but there's some. There's some wording in it that messes with you a little bit. Like, I don't know if it's the same as that thing that's going around. It's like a couple goes to a picnic. They have. He has five sons from a previous marriage. Whatever, whatever. And then it's like, how many people are at the picnic? And it's like, well, the couple. Like, all the stuff after that was irrelevant. It doesn't. So, yeah, the father and the son

[Kyle]

are both named Larry.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah.

[Tom Ceruti]

What the.

[Kyle]

This is a riddle.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay. Yeah.

[Tom Ceruti]

Did you guys take a logic. I took a logic class in high

[Ryan Rosillo]

school, and no, I didn't see that.

[Tom Ceruti]

I. I don't know that it worked, but it was just, like, looking back, I'm like, was this just preparing me to take the Wonderlic someday. Like that's all it is. It's just like I guess you could say it would the lsat it probably would have been and would good for as well.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well when you're captain of the football team they're like in case you get drafted. All right, let's get to the light. I've destroyed it. I just get that excited about Long island and I know Kyle does too. With that being said, I'm here to petition for a resolo Long Island Live show. The moment Rosillo uttered Long island on the last pod my buddy screen recorder it sended me with a text Long Island Live show. So naturally I began to speculate. There's plenty of venues that are both intimate yet also doable for a moderate to large sized crowd. Would guarantee that I'd be in tenants front row ready to rock even if it were on a random Tuesday. Give me a few vodka and sodas and it's on. Appreciate the email. Keep up the great work. Also merch we're on it. We're on it. Don't worry. All right, let's get to a couple emails here. Although there's just a lot of Kyle love again today so maybe we'll save those. We'll save those for the Thursday into Friday. A lot of momentum our guy is our guys getting active, dropping some pounds. All right, let's go. Are we too old to be travel? YouTuber 62290 down from 315 last year. No gym stats. Recently got back into lifting and I'm on a good start to my weight loss goals Player Comp less skilled Devonte Gardner if you are unfamiliar I recommend a YouTube deep dive dude who's a walking bucket at Marquette despite carrying quite a bit of weight. Quick aside is a lifelong no offense. The sides are welcome welcome today apparently. Look, there's no open it's one guest. That's why we're milking a little bit. As a lifelong Marquette guy are we in the running for having one of the best alumni rosters out there? The Duke in Kentucky's the world are hard to compete with but man D Wade, Jimmy Butler, Doc Rivers, Wesley Matthews, Jay Crowder, Tyler Kolik also Iguidaro dude Iguidaro was a terrific draft pick by that Phoenix front office. Could hang with the majority of alumni squads out there if you ask me. All right, here's the situation. Girlfriend and I took a leap of faith at the beginning of 22 and set out to travel the worldwide documenting the experience on YouTube. Some people just documented audio. It's cheaper. We aggressively saved up money for years while also cashing out on a successful investment. This allowed us to hop around Europe for the entire year of 22. We hit 30 different countries while capturing as much as we could of our beloved with our beloved Sony A7 II camera. We uploaded over 100 videos to YouTube throughout the course of the adventure. Got small but loyal following about 5,000 subs. We both agreed that if we we ran out of our predetermined allotment of money before making significant income on YouTube that we would go back to our normal lives and just happily cherish all of the incredible memories we made. As you can probably guess, we couldn't help but break our own promise. Yeah, no shit.

[Tom Ceruti]

This is awesome.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. You know what sucked? Going to work. After coming up from the year in Europe and working an odd job for six months, we set out for another expedition. I know you're a big history guy, Ryan. I assume you all. You know all about Ferdinand Magellan. I don't know all about him, but yeah, I'm aware.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. The straits of the next adventure was inspired by him. We started in Hawaii and completed a full circumnavigation of the planet. That's insane, dude. Good for you.

[Kyle]

Did Magellan come back? Was he one of those guys that didn't come back or he did come back.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't know. All right, I feel like a lot of guys. Can you start?

[Kyle]

They had one more in them.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kyle]

Boxing. Just a little too late in the career.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I just feel like a lot of the stories that I've read didn't end up in some cottage in a be town just watching his grandkids.

[Kyle]

Yeah. Full of spears or. Or arrowheads or something.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. Or walking around town shooting frozen peas at windows before alarm clocks are invented. She had to get some work.

[Tom Ceruti]

All right, well, I got some. He did die. Spoiler alert.

[Kyle]

Well, we know.

[Tom Ceruti]

But the ship. But the ship did make it back. So he died. But the ship did make.

[Kyle]

Was he mutiny? Did they throw him in a rowboat? So one of those important guys got like, tossed in a rowboat and like

[Tom Ceruti]

he said, he was killed in a battle, but yeah. All right, I'll have to do more research.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, well, add that to the to do list, but thanks. In other words, traveled all the way around the globe, returned to the point of origin from the other side. That's incredible. After Hawaii, went through North America, Europe, the Middle East, India, Southeast Asia. Ended up South Korea before returning to Hawaii, traveling west to east. We are Extremely proud and grateful to have had this opportunity. We're about to build up 20,000 subs with this series of videos. Now, here's where we have a bit of a life dilemma. We've continued to travel on and off since returning from the circumnavigation. A little Europe and some stateside travel. We're now at 23,000 subs. Okay. And we are making consistent monthly income from the channel. Views aren't consistent at all from video to video, but we have a handful of them pop off in the 50 to 200,000 view range. That's. That's incredible. Usually the math is the other way around. Hey, I have a million subs and 1200 people watch my video. It's not enough to live on yet, but it does help offset travel expenses. We've managed to maintain an emergency emergency savings fund and investment portfolio throughout the adventures, but there's no denying it's been a very financially taxing endeavor. Yeah, I. I imagine the all in price tag is now well into the six figures. We've had to work temp jobs to build up the necessary spending cash every time we set out. Throughout all of this, we've not had the time or resources to do all the normal adult things. Get married, have kids, buy a house, et cetera. The last four years have flown by in a blink of an eye. Both just turned 30, which felt like it came out of nowhere. Are we getting too old to continue this lifestyle? Our dream scenario would be continuing building or following until we can make enough money from ad revenue and sponsorships. This is a long email. Sorry, guys. We've been madly in love since we met in college at Marquette. We're both on the same page. Want to start a family? The marriage thing is just kind of a formality at this point because we feel like we're more married than most married couples. We don't know many other people that spend 247 with their significant others. All while traveling. I wish you had said all the while, but all while traveling in a constant state of change. All the while.

[Kyle]

Wow.

[Ryan Rosillo]

We somehow managed to not want to rip each other's heads off throughout all of this. So I'd say the relationship is pretty unbreakable. But I do want her to have a nice engagement ring. We'd both still like to have a wedding even. We can never top all of the experience we've already had. Which is why we don't want to spend an exorbitant amount on it. We kind of have to view everything through the lens of opportunity cost for travel. Real life has started to creep in on us a little bit. We're not entirely sure what life after travel looks like for us. I have plenty saved up.

[Kyle]

Up.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I know. I. I'm. I like the guy. I love what he's doing, but just I know everybody's listening. Being like, when does the email in

[Kyle]

the greatest love story ever told too? I mean, all in one email. That's great.

[Ryan Rosillo]

More married.

[Kyle]

Most married guys. Congratulations.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, yeah, it sounded like you didn't like that one. Kyle.

[Kyle]

Awesome.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I would invest into travel marriage pod with Kyle and his wife.

[Kyle]

The first stop a lot of be a lot.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Now I'm just gonna be a lot of what? Don't worry about it. Like, we're in Madagascar and she's already complaining.

[Kyle]

Got a solo episode today.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Lost my cameraman. No, no, this is actually. The wheels are turning. This is a great idea. But you think Kyle over do his own thing. Yep. No, I don't like this. What would you call it? Like married in a broad, Just married and upset.

[Kyle]

No, no, no, I'm not. I don't like this. I don't like this.

[Ryan Rosillo]

This isn't fair.

[Kyle]

We can be candid without piling on. That's all right. There's a middle ground there.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I need to stop. I should have stopped a minute ago. Sorry, sorry. I apologize to everyone in your family. We have plenty saved up. I know most emailers usually opt for anonymity, but I would mind if you mention that our YouTube channel is called the Maxit Sydney Show. Or. No, it's just Max and City. Just in case any travelogue listeners might be interested in checking us out. Did I just read a fucking ad? Wow. I have no idea what happened here.

[Kyle]

Four minute ad read. We gave those guys like 45 seconds.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And yeah, DraftKings in the call, us being like, what rate did you give that guy? It's too late. We can't take it out. And I actually like where the guy's coming from, but I. I think I just read an ad. Sydney listens to life advice with me every once in a while, but she says some of them get a little broy for her. Oh, no.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah, we did a little deep dive into your. The gender splits on some of your socials and the over under was real high.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Wait, what would you. What would you have guessed the male female breakdown would be on the socials? Like, what would you thought it was?

[Kyle]

More percentage? I didn't think it would be what it was.

[Tom Ceruti]

I didn't.

[Kyle]

I thought it would Be a little bit. Not even. Not even close. But I. You know, sometimes you see a pie chart and you're like, oh, wait, that's a straight line, but it's actually two lines. That represents 4%. Like, I thought. I thought you'd be able to see the piece of the pie chart instead of just a line.

[Tom Ceruti]

If you gave me 90 10, I would have thought about taking the over on women, and it wasn't even close.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's over 98% men.

[Kyle]

It's over 98%.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So then I had to do a breakdown of the ages of the female audience. And it's like your friends 45 to 54.

[Kyle]

Just your friends.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Friends. Yeah. My content is not my wife.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

There's no. Girls in their 20s and 30s are not locked in.

[Kyle]

I don't even know about life advice yet, though. So, I mean, who knows?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well, she said. She didn't. The emailer, he said his girlfriend doesn't like life advice. I listen to four divorced women talk about love on a podcast, and I thought they were a little biased, so, you know, teach their own. Yeah, I don't know if there's a question here, man. There's three more sentences. I will read them, but we both listen to all the Travelogs together. Enjoy them immensely. Always looking forward to the next one. We're actually going to Portugal next month, so the timing of your Portugal travelog could not have been more perfect. We'd love any advice you and the boys have for a unique situation. Make it quick, because that was the longest email I've ever read, and I interrupted it twice. So. I love what you're doing. I think it's great. You're looking at life, you're looking at it as an adventure. And, you know, even when travel doesn't work out, it's an experience, it's educational. There are plenty of times on my travels where I'm like, hey, today isn't the best day I've ever had, you know, and you can kind of get a little bit of a funk, and then you just go, hey, relax. You're in a new part of the world. And what do you want to do? Just sit and watch NBA games in your house the rest of your life every single year? And, no, I don't want to do that. So I get a little antsy. You have the travel bug. You've kind of conditioned yourself in your early adult life to, like, this is what it is going to be. So I don't know that's necessarily ever going to go away. But like anything, man, if you're taking from here and you're putting it over there, you're going to do one thing that you're prioritizing and sacrificing the other. So you just basically said you want it all. Good luck. Because unless the page absolutely blows up, you know, it's, it's probably not going to create enough money at those numbers for you to then go, hey, I want the kids, I want the house, I want to do all that stuff. And then, and I mean, there's the reason why people can't do this stuff is they decide to prioritize something different. It may be, if it doesn't work out, something that you look at and go, at least we had this run of like 10 years and have all of this perspective because of our travels. Like, you're probably going to look at life a little bit differently than most people do. And I think it's a massive, massive positive. So you just have to come to grips with what is a very straightforward answer that literally anybody would give you is at some point you will probably prioritize the things that you haven't and you will have to sacrifice the thing that you haven't sacrificed for the thing that you've sacrificed in the past.

[Kyle]

Wow, that was like a wonder, like sentence right there. I guess.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't even know if it was that good, to be honest. As I was saying it, I got

[Kyle]

two things that I, I would say, could you maybe do, like, bring the cost down a little bit? Do an American series or do a U.S. soil series, you know what I mean? We're doing the bio, we're doing the parks. Yeah, something like that. You know, there's something interesting in every state. So maybe you could do that.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Otherwise, otherwise you go reading about Daniel Boone right now.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Okay.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Or you can go the other way than I thought.

[Kyle]

And we're going hotbed countries, we're going Tehran, we're going. You know what I mean?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like something that, where no one goes.

[Kyle]

Something that's going to get the SEO

[Tom Ceruti]

up when people are like, I've seen

[Kyle]

this YouTube, what's going on with them, what's going on with them? And, and then, you know, know, there you are. So maybe that'll blow up your page. Otherwise I'd try to bring the cost down and make something interesting about, you know, maybe around where you kind of are. Two hour trip, four hour trip.

[Tom Ceruti]

I think I saw a travel guy on Instagram try to convince people that like Syria is actually not that bad. And I was like, I think we've done enough. I think we're. I don't know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

There's some guys that are just like, get me right in the hot zone. It would have been like, if the YouTuber around me in my 20s, I would have been that guy, but, like, the Congo. Let's get some subs, hang out.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah. So that was.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It also depends on which time. Like, some of these places may be having the temperature cranked up a little bit more. How about that guy that goes around with, like, the MMA dude and, like, has scammers in Europe?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Try to, like, sell him stuff. And then the MMA guy punches the guy.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's all on video. And then they run away.

[Kyle]

It's like a bad that. It's a. I don't know. It's like. It's not bum fights, but it's like you feel kind of how you feel when you're watching bum fights. You're like, what the. What the hell, man?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, that's a real sign of maturity, the age when you watch bum fights where you go, I don't feel good anymore.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah, that's.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Thank you.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah.

[Tom Ceruti]

You've grown up.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Tom Ceruti]

I. I'll just kind of echo a little bit what Ryan said. Like, yeah, you had. You had these incredible years of traveling the world and. And, you know, if you want the things like the marriage and, you know, kids someday, like, those things just aren't really super compatible. I mean, I will also say, like, there's. There's also a different part of your life you could look forward to. Like, you could still travel. I mean, you're probably.

[Kyle]

Have you considered van life?

[Tom Ceruti]

But van life is very popular. That is true. Although, man, I just.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Especially when you have a house film, the van stuff.

[Tom Ceruti]

There's too much fan content, though. Too many people did that now, so it's oversaturated.

[Kyle]

Only van.

[Tom Ceruti]

I would just say, like, yeah, like, look for. There's other. You could travel when you get older. You travel with your kids if you want to have them someday. There are other happy parts of life that you can do that will be fun, that will be fulfilling. And you sound like you want those parts of life, too. So. Yeah, if you're closing this really cool chapter that. Not, like, by the way, like, what 1% of people done that? Probably less than what you've done. The different places that you've gone.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Probably what, less than 1%.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah. So that's freaking awesome, man. And, you know, it doesn't sound like the money thing is really Going to work. I mean, it sounds like there's a lot more work to be done to really make that a thing that you could do for the rest of your life to sustain you and your. And the lady future wife, hopefully. So I don't know, it feels like you just can't have both things and you got to pick one. So I would say if you want those other things, try to experience those other things as well.

[Kyle]

What if you took a page out of Ryan's book and like how there's sort of like a history chunk of the travelogues. Maybe you've just. Just made a whole nother lane of if you can make two videos out of one. I mean really, the thing is like, how many views do you get? Right? So if you need to up the views, I mean, I know you want subs too, but I think if you could do more with less, that probably would go a little bit of a ways too. Like, could you. Have you tried anything outside? Like, hey, we've been away for this whole time and we've edited these videos. Like is there anything else you can do that would allow you to make these things without being out of pocket the whole time? Time?

[Tom Ceruti]

Or you just need to step up like the this, like what the actual videos are. Like you just need to like Mr. Beast it where it's like, hey, we get drop into a country, we have

[Ryan Rosillo]

no idea where we are.

[Tom Ceruti]

We have like 100 bucks.

[Kyle]

Just a machete.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah, like, you know what I mean? Like that, that I, that, you know, that would be. You have to like game the YouTube system a little bit.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, I think I might be on it though. No, no, no, just Kyle might be on it though. Like, can you. You satisfy that travel bug that is like once you get that, you know, you, you just sit there like I'm already thinking about my next thing and it's like, hey, your next thing isn't going to happen for a really long time. It's going to be like six months. So, you know, maybe I could do a nice little Montana run.

[Kyle]

Long island.

[Ryan Rosillo]

But I mean, it'll work. But I'm going to work the whole time. Upper Peninsula, you know, why not? Wow. Maybe the Great Lakes, you know, visit some of those old fur trapping places. I know I want to do that. I don't know that area at all.

[Kyle]

Those guys want to be there like their own state. Right. The up they'd like, want to be something different.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Do they look like it would have happened by now?

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I just have a hard time believing seceding from the country to be a lot harder today than it was.

[Kyle]

Yeah, I think they just want to be in the country, but they want to be like something else.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like I don't know.

[Kyle]

That's just what I watch a lot of aerial America and there's a lot of up stuff that's a little different

[Ryan Rosillo]

than the rest of the state. Anyway, I do wonder what the cyclical way nations work if we're past the

[Tom Ceruti]

peak of like territories moving.

[Ryan Rosillo]

No, just, you know, what if in like the year 2200 it was just like. Yeah, actually the, the country, the United States like broke up and it was two zones. Just kind of like that.

[Kyle]

That I don't like thinking about it

[Ryan Rosillo]

kind of the way nations work. Man, did I just blow your mind? Do I even read into what else we got? This guy doesn't like his roommate. No, I'm just kidding. Tastytrade has a suite of probability tools so you can make smarter picks for your portfolio. Though it can't help you fill out your NCAA bracket, you can trade stocks, options, futures and more all in one platform. Tastytrade offers low commissions including zero commission on stock, so you can keep more of what you earn. The platform is packed with trading features like backtesting, which lets you simulate trading strategies using 10 plus years of data so you can test your ideas about potential Cinderella stocks. Active traders can use features like ladder trading mode, one click trading and smart order tracking to manage their positions during crunch time. If you want to learn to trade or discover new strategies, tastytrade has double dozens of educational courses you can access for free with your account. Get live stellar support from tastytrade's deep bench of experienced trade desk reps during trading hours. Visit tastytrade.com forward/barstool today. TastyTrade Inc. Is a registered broker, dealer and member of FINRA, NFA and SIPC. All right. Free cable Internet by mistake. 5, 8 and a half 158 have not benched since 202012 Varsity Lacrosse, winter weightlifting running my first marathon in April. Half marathon PR is 1 hour 26 minutes. Aiming for a 3:15 full marathon. Damn. My wife and I recently moved from a high rise building equipped with Verizon fios into a smaller co op building in the same neighborhood. Notably, because it's a Co op, roughly 95% of the building is owners who all chip in for shared amenities, including the superintendent, he, ac, garbage, cable, Internet, et cetera. We toured the apartment. Our broker who happens to live down the hall on the Same floor offered up that the building is strictly Spectrum Internet plus cable, which is fine, and that each tenant receives a deal for $6 a month for the services, which is about one fourth of what we paid previously. We shortly thereafter decided we were going to move in. Upon moving in, we reached out to the landlord different than the broker to finalize the details for the Internet cable. The landlord, who'd already been partially MIA and otherwise terse. I love the use of terse here. It's one of my favorite words in communications, then informed us that the discount only applied to the owners and we would have to pay the full amount as renters. Okay. As a self starter, I connected with Spectrum directly, shared our address and signed up for the building package without ever providing billing details. We were sent a cable box, modem, and the equipment without ever putting down a credit card. We're now three months into enjoying $250 in monthly cable and Internet access without paying a dime. No one seems to know or care. And we don't feel the need to remind the standoffish landlord we're fairly moral or ethical people, but are we in the wrong here? Is there any way that we're going to wind up with a $4,000 bill at the end of year one or worse, risk being thrown out? We're not broke college grads. We don't need the savings, but on principle we did our best. We need Versilo and Cerutty's option or opinion and of course Kyle, to inevitably agree with our side here.

[Kyle]

So, Kyle, I'll go last.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Tom Ceruti]

I think you got to let it ride.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, I don't hate him. I don't hate him for this at all.

[Tom Ceruti]

What's the worst that, like, are they really going to make you pay? Leave.

[Ryan Rosillo]

No, they could be like, hey, there's something. And since it's this co op, there maybe be some sort of accounting. Where?

[Kyle]

I don't know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't know how organized Spectrum is, man. I got to be honest with you. They call me every week. They send me like seven postcards on the same day they call me.

[Tom Ceruti]

I don't even have Spectrum.

[Ryan Rosillo]

They might even have it.

[Kyle]

They might be fakers. There's some fake. Some scammers out there with.

[Tom Ceruti]

It's all right, fine, it's a scammer.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So that's not on Spectrum.

[Tom Ceruti]

Sorry. Yeah, apologies to Spectrum, but yes, like I, I would just. What's the. I just don't think the downside is that high.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well, the downside is that somehow it Comes up that they're getting it free and not being billed and that other people find out out. Right. It's not. It's not spectrum going, hey, you've had it the entire time. Although now, who knows? It could be some spectrum. I. I feel like a guy who works a spectrum is probably listening to this, going good for them. They're fine. We're gonna be okay over here. Yeah, we do send a lot of postcards. I wouldn't do anything. I wouldn't do anything. And it would just be the daily excitement of will I ever be found out. Like Don Draper. Although it seemed to get to him a little bit. And he self medicated.

[Kyle]

Yeah, I just googled it. The statute of limitations on this stuff varies between three to six years. So it's not like they can hit you at the end of the year and you'd be like, well, so that still. And that adds to the excitement, I think. Like what you said, here's what, you can't afford it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

250 bucks every month into the spectrum get out of jail fund or the fun. Fun. Yes. Where in a couple years, start a

[Kyle]

YouTube channel, go to Bali, move out,

[Ryan Rosillo]

hire full crew and audio. I. I know what it's like when I remember just taking a coaxial. Was that what it's called? Yeah, coax. And I just went hard raw dog into the back of the tv right from just. I saw an outlet from this apartment that I moved into. I saw the outlet.

[Kyle]

It.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I was like, let me screw in here. Right into the back of the TV. And it was just TV remote channel, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, all the way up to like 70 CBC stuff. And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. There's no Internet back then. But I'm like, I am king of the world. I'm like DiCaprio in my own apartment, just off my loft. It's going, I can't believe I'm gonna have free cable this entire time. And it was just, just. It was the best feeling ever. And it was important.

[Kyle]

Nothing ever came of it, huh?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Nothing. Not that place. It was a long time ago. I think the tracking of this stuff generally was a little tougher here. So he went and called them on his own, had the stuff shipped, and then they've never gotten a bill. So there's a chance the landlord is getting billed to the unit separately. And then the landlord goes, hey, see, that's the danger. It's not him getting just a big bill at the end. Like, hey, we forgot to bill you this entire time, but I would. I'd be tempted to ride this one out.

[Tom Ceruti]

I. And how big is the. How big is the. The complex, right? If it's like a. If it's 50 units, like, likely just gonna. It doesn't matter. Like, they're not gonna notice if it's like, four.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well, the landlord might notice, though. I think that's the point that. Yeah. It's his job to notice like that. What would you do as a landlord? Would you go, are you guys serious? Just get out? Or would you just go, all right. I was never gonna be friends with my landlord anyway. If he finds out, says, hey, I've been getting the bill the entire time. I mean, you're gonna have to play stupid. You're gonna have to go, oh, my God. I thought it was because of the co op.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yeah, yeah, we thought it was in our way.

[Ryan Rosillo]

He's gonna believe you. Yeah.

[Kyle]

The thing that I would worry about is this thing getting so big that you're like, you don't want to call. You don't even want to, like, put yourself 10 years later.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

Or like, you're two years in and you're like, yeah, that's. That's like a grand at this point. And you're just like, the fucking heat just stopped working. And you're like, wait a second. Like, I don't want to be on his radar because, like, yeah, just stay

[Ryan Rosillo]

out of the point.

[Kyle]

If it gets so big that you're just like, what will I put up with as far as maintenance to not. Because, I mean, one of these days the bill has to come due. No pun intended.

[Ryan Rosillo]

But

[Tom Ceruti]

did you guys ever do anything like this?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like this?

[Tom Ceruti]

Oh, yeah. Just like, just kind of like you cheated the system a little bit.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well, I had free cable in that place. I think it happened one other place too. And it was like I was just on an absolute epic run of it. But sometimes people just didn't really turn it off, so you didn't know what the hell was happening. And it could have been in those cases too. This is so long ago. They could have just not shut it off or thought they did. And then nobody was even getting the bill. So it wasn't like.

[Tom Ceruti]

Like.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Especially of the one place I'm really thinking about. Yeah, no one was getting a bill on my behalf. They just hadn't shut it off. I'm trying to think. I think there was a landline situation where we didn't realize that we had a phone that worked because I had. I had one Summer where we were so broke that it was just ridiculous. The water got shut off for a little while and then we were buying water.

[Kyle]

It's like the last one I get shut off. Man, that sucks.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It's like the last. It was. Well, it was bad. It was really bad. And so I. Neither of us had a phone. So then one guy got the free cell phone, which was like a disaster. But it looked like he was out and like hunting down predator type of cell phone pack in 1997. I mean, the thing comes with a bag.

[Kyle]

Yeah, it comes with its own little bag.

[Ryan Rosillo]

We need air support. He just ordered a pizza. So we'd have to go to his car to like call anyone, but it'd have to be after like 7 o' clock so he wouldn't get charged. And then I think we found a landline that worked. But what that really meant is one of my previous roommates that had graduated and moved on forgot to turn it off. And then I think he realized he was like, hey, what the. He's like, I just got a long distance bill or something. We were like, oh, who?

[Kyle]

Yeah, we'll get out of that. Sorry about that.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, I know. Actually, as I'm thinking about, I know exactly what happened. So I don't know. I mean, what do you got one through? You got one?

[Tom Ceruti]

No, I. So I don't even really know how this happened, but when I got a new car, I thought that I was paying, like my taxes just automatically coming out of whatever I was paying. And my car was registered, all this stuff. And then I go to sell the car and basically the car's not under my name because I bought it from a lease, but they never switched the name over. So I did this involuntarily. I didn't even know. But I basically didn't have to pay taxes on my car for like three years and didn't have to pay it back because Chrysler Capital just paid it because they didn't really know that they owned the car and they forgot to do the paperwork. So I essentially didn't pay taxes on my Jeep for about three years. I only found out when I went to sell the car.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Did you have to end up paying it?

[Tom Ceruti]

Nope, nope. Didn't know anything.

[Kyle]

All right, that's a win. That's a win.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It was a win. So it's an excise tax, but I

[Tom Ceruti]

didn't know that I was doing that at the time. If I did, I. Maybe I would have acted a little bit differently. But I just. I was like, yeah, I Don't know. It's not coming out of the payments. I don't know.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

What do you want me to do?

[Ryan Rosillo]

I hope you're outside the statute of limitations on that one. I would imagine.

[Tom Ceruti]

I already sold the car. The title is already in. Was then in my name, and then I sold it to somebody. So there you go, done and done.

[Ryan Rosillo]

If you get a win like that on the excise tax thing, I'm not going to be mad at you.

[Tom Ceruti]

Yep. So I don't have a playbook for how to do it, but it worked for me.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Just be clueless.

[Kyle]

I have actually believe that you're clueless.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I had the opposite. But it wasn't taxed when I. There was a peak boredom, kind of, what the fuck am I doing, Connecticut phase where I bought a second car. I was a two car guy. And Van Pelt found out, too. It was unbelievable. He calls me, he's like, are you a two car guy right now? I go, yeah, I have a second car. He's like, no way. He goes, I always wanted to do that. What's it like? I was like, it's awesome. And then it. After, like, it wears off. You're like, this is so stupid.

[Kyle]

Registrations and two.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, yeah. So it was called the Date car. It was like a sporty Lexus coupe, the F Sport. And so I leased it and then I did a shorter lease and I was like, all right, I'm. I'm done with this. This was. This was just a massive, like, went

[Kyle]

from fun to stupid faster than I thought.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Right. And then they stopped taking. They kept taking the direct payment from me for, like, months and months and months. God. Right. And so I also left like a couple, I think, Dre, Bluetooth speakers in there. And they kept those because I was like, hey, did you get those speakers? They're like, oh, you didn't see him in there?

[Kyle]

Talk to the detailer guys.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't know. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, yeah. I'll go to the Hartford detailers and walk in demanding my Bluetooth speaker back. That's going to go great.

[Kyle]

Knuckle sandwich.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Right?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Right. That's. I mean, that was like one of the all time, like, well, those are gone. But when I called, I go, hey, why are you guys still taking out the lease payment on this thing? Like, I already turned the car in, everything's good, everything's fine. And they're like, well, no, that's not our fault. Like, well, it's not. It's somebody's fault. And then they were like, no, it's your fault. It's your. They were mad at me because you

[Kyle]

didn't call the FBI. What the fuck are you supposed to do?

[Ryan Rosillo]

They were mad at me. I was like, there's not some paperwork on your end where you're supposed to fucking do it. And they're like, no, that wasn't a great transaction. Here's what I would say to. What's that?

[Tom Ceruti]

They pay you back.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, it took forever. Took forever. Here's what I would say, though, to most of the young people listening out there, I think it's a little harder now, but go for it. To the people who just emailed in, I think that's what we've said collectively, three, zero. Go for it here. But you know that that landlord call is going to be really uncomfortable because there's going to be no out. You called, you ordered stuff. That's what Spectrum's going to tell them. And you're going to have to just play dumb and then he's going to know that you're doing it.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

Practice. If you get ready, you know you don't have to. If you stay ready, you don't have to get ready.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Right.

[Kyle]

So just practice, practice for that fucking knock on the door. Get your stupid knock ready.

[Ryan Rosillo]

More often than not, when you're like, hey, is this really happening? Like, am I getting hooked up here? You're not.

[Kyle]

No.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like, that bill is coming due.

[Kyle]

Shout out to Central Hudson Electric Company. I really thought I outran them.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Got an Amex freshman year there. Didn't get a bill for the entire time they sent the car. Never sent the bill.

[Kyle]

The bill was at your house.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't know. They just never sent it. Never said it. Then you get the call. Then you get the call. You go, hey, this isn't it. No, this wasn't a preloaded have a good time card. Right.

[Tom Ceruti]

What were you thinking at the time?

[Ryan Rosillo]

That's got to be so stupid.

[Tom Ceruti]

Cross that bridge. Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

The best part was that you would get the Amex and you would get the two. Two Delta tickets round trip, anywhere in the continental U.S. so you're like, well, that's a win. That's a huge win. And then you don't have any money to go anywhere. Can't afford the credit card. You have two travel vouchers. What are you going to do? You can't afford to stay anywhere once you fly for free, so you don't have a meal card. So that was. That was kind of. I don't even know if they do that anymore. Like Every single freshman, they just. As soon as you're walking in, they're just handing you credit card applications. The credit limit's like, 500 bucks, too. It was hilarious. And it was like, oh, this is going to help you build a credit, and you'll have a home one day.

[Kyle]

Meanwhile, you're just paying interest on 500 bucks for four years straight.

[Ryan Rosillo]

That's it.

[Tom Ceruti]

Well, I feel like on these credit cards now, though, like, in order to, like, maximize all of the perks or stuff that they give you, like, you need to, like, read books. Like, you need to. You need to do so much research on this stuff that it's like. Is it like. I know the Chase one is insane. Like, it's. It's like, almost too much work to have to figure out to maximize all the stuff on that. So.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

So you just resigned to getting.

[Tom Ceruti]

I don't have that card. And I just. Yeah, I just take my points and I'm happy.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Let's have somebody. You have a kid, you got to have a kid early, and then they'll be old enough because they're better with that stuff. Like, hey, research this for us. Okay, that was. That was a meandering one. But we knew we had extra time, so that's why we did it the way that we did it. Thanks to Kevin, Tom Ceruti and Kyle Ryan Rosula show Arsenal Sports.

[Kyle]

Sam.