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Final Four Thoughts, UConn–Michigan Preview & Are the Thunder Good for the NBA? w/ Adam Lefkoe
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Ryan Rosillo
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Adam Lefkoe
Foreign.
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Ryan Rosillo
The Ryan Rosilla show is presented by DraftKings. I'll recap the Final Four and from the things that I saw. Look ahead to tonight's title game with Michigan and UConn. We'll do more on that with Adam Lefkoe, who's also going to talk some NBA and just some good old storytelling as well. We've got our new feature on the show, Ronald Reagan Facts. I'm reading a book and life advice every week in the NBA, stars rise, legends are made, and one player rules them all. All season long, it goes down every Tuesday. DraftKings sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA brings you King of the Court. Here's how it works. DraftKings is putting up $1 million in bonus bets each week. Opt in apply your token and place a $5 pregame bet on the NBA star you think will dominate each Tuesday. If your pick finishes the night leading the league in points, rebounds and assists, the they're crowned King of the Court and you win your share of $1 million in bonus bets. 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Restrictions apply terms@sportsbook.draftkings.com promos Today's Open I'll just give you some thoughts on the Final Four and look ahead to tonight's title game. Michigan and UConn. So Michigan, that's probably one of the most impressive wins. It's the most impressive win of this tournament and I could dig through all of this stuff. I'm not sure I'm going to turn it into Duke UNLV in the rematch, but I really think it's one of the most impressive wins in recent memory considering the domination considering the opponent, Arizona. Just to remind everybody, 36 and 2 before they came into that game, Arizona had two losses in five days in the middle of February. They lost to Kansas at Kansas at Fog by four points and lost the Texas Tech in overtime at home by three points. That's it. It's the only two times they lost and they were in it. And they got steamrolled in this game against Michigan. So watching the game, pretty normal routine. Was looking forward to this thing all weekend, all week. I guess we'd gotten through the Yukon win against Illinois, which I have a few thoughts on. But I just Michigan deserves the headline here, deserves the majority of the time because of how impressive this thing was. So sit down, notepad out, excited. It's 10:1. I'm like, all right. You know, Arizona, the Dome, you know, the debt, perception, maybe things a little off elevated court guys are tight at 16 five and I'm like okay. And it was 26 to 10. I'm like this is a problem. This is not good. The only sign of life for Arizona was a 13 to 2 run from 10 minutes to go in the first half till about like 6:43 to go in the first half. That made it 28:23. That actually sounds crazy because I was going through and looking at it again, I was like, oh, they actually did get it to five points because it just never felt like it was like something that was gasping for air that was never going to be able to come out of the water. And there was actually this little stretch there for a few minutes where it's like, okay, Arizona will settle down. This team is too good. They're just not going to get their ass kicked, are they? And their asses they were kicked. This is even more impressive considering Jaxell Lindenberg, who's the Big Ten Conference player of the year, a lottery pick would go even higher if he wasn't going to be 24 to start next NBA season. He leaves up 2814. So they're up 14 points on that drive where he has to leave the game. They went up two more points to have a 48, 32, 16 point halftime lead. So they lost their best player with almost the second part of the first half and he was gone and the lead increased. So it was not going the way that I thought it would. Now, from a game standpoint, Michigan packed the paint. They seem to be totally okay with Arizona shooting from outside. Arizona, the number looks fine from a percentage standpoint, not terrible, but it's still 6 of 17. If they get it into crevasse, they're big. There's just so many bodies there for Michigan with Mara, with Lindenberg, when he's even out there, even though I don't even need him, and then Morris Johnson helping off of somebody else. And that seemed to be the overall approach here. And these are things that I'm going to be thinking about as it pertains to the UConn matchup here. But I'm not saying this as it was some sort of solution. I'm not arrogant enough when it comes to basketball to suggest that I'm going to know more than the coaching staff that lives this and breathes this every single day. But something that stood out about Arizona, other than I think Casey Jones would have been proud of their spacing on offense, is that if there's all of these big bodies and you're going to get it into crevasse or you want it to go to co op, there's always another big there for Arizona. Like one of the first things you start learning when you're playing at a higher level, especially with like newer basketball, is if somebody has some deep position, take your man away, go away. Now, the defender doesn't necessarily have to go with you if he doesn't trust you or respect you as a shooter. But every time I'd watch Arizona in these deep possessions, these deep catches, I'm like, my God, there's just so many people around there. So even if you thought you had this size, you wouldn't have a size advantage against Michigan, but you thought you were built at least to combat that size that Michigan's able to roll out there every night, especially with Le Borg missing so much of this game. Like, okay, so when a walker comes in, he's going to be on the other block. You know, when Pete's in, he's going to bring his man down now with a walk. I understand that a lot of this is because his offensive rebounding is so spectacular that they want him to be immediately working for position. But there's just so much traffic down there. And Michigan seemed totally fine by just saying like this is the priority. Like they kind of play another big low. So that's going to have four bodies down there and maybe we'll just leave somebody else open as well. Because if you look at Arizona's lineup, which I can't say now after the fact, be like, oh, this could have been a potentially a fatal flaw for them. But Karchenkov doesn't shoot it well from threes at 31%. Bradley doesn't really take any, but his night was just, just foul trouble. Could never really get going. Iwaka has taken 17 threes in four seasons of college basketball. Del or so's their shooting component that they would bring in, but defensively you could see that it was just not something that I think Tommy Lloyd was entirely comfortable with. Pete's not really a guy that's even going to take threes. I think he's like less than one 3 point attempt per game. So when you roll that all together, there was probably something was like, hey, if they, if they burn us early, maybe we adjust to it, but I don't think that we have to. And we'll just focus on Krivos. And then that leads to buries who their freshman point guard, who's terrific, had a terrific freshman season. He wasn't good in this game. And even though he's just under 40%, I think, I don't know if it's a coaching decision that was made before it or maybe Dusty May's looking at this going, hey, he doesn't really look super comfortable out there. And I think that would be accurate. Just a kid in a big spot where some freshmen look really comfortable, others didn't. Wagler in the earlier game was the only thing Illinois could really trust to get going. He was terrific for buries, even though it's not nearly as up to him as it is for Waggler. For Illinois buries, there's just little stuff like out of the hand, you're like, he doesn't look entirely comfortable. And then you look at the final box score. This whole deal where it's between Buries Pete, we can even go Karchenkov if you want to do this. You had 42 shot attempts from your three freshmen in this game between Pete Buries Karchenkov, 12 of 42. I don't think Tommy Lloyd would say, hey, I hope our freshmen take 42 of our 71 shots tonight. And again, the Bradley foul trouble was a big part of this. But Kos only getting seven. But is Krivos only getting seven because you ignore him? Crevasse only getting seven because there's no room. Again, I'm not suggesting that all of a sudden they're play five out because they're not built necessarily like that. It seems like when they were 36 and 2, all this stuff was working. So again, not being super critical, but it was just something where it's like, man, this team is totally fine having two interior players being right next to each other. And it's just a lot of traffic to have to navigate, especially when that traffic is anchored by Morrow, who's 7 foot 3. Arizona, halftime. Down 16. I'm like, all right, maybe a mental reset. No. Missed their first five shots. They got down 30. Let's talk about Michigan side of this. Elliot Cadeau, who I've not necessarily loved, he was 2 of 14 at the half, and he was maybe the most important player from Michigan I know. Dusty May said after, he's like, well, some of those shot attempts, because he ended up five and 17 in the game, he's like, some of those were passes, like, some of them, okay, like a couple that were counted as shot attempts. So I couldn't believe how bad his shooting number was in the box. Course, because it didn't feel that way because it felt like he might have been the only guy that was actually missing shots because he was so in control of the game. And that's where you grade him, especially in that first half. Some of the past attempts that he had tomorrow, I couldn't even believe they were trying them. But that showed you a level of comfort that Arizona never got to. And granted, you can be down and then you're pressing and all that kind of stuff, but Cadou's throwing up these lobs tomorrow that weren't even necessarily lobs. They were like end zone fades. It's like, is Mara going to get around the screen quick enough here to be able to Just kind of guide the ball in. McKinney comes in and makes four threes. Another freshman who looked completely comfortable the entire time. I thought Gail's minutes were really good as well. And they needed all these guys to step up because London Bork, who did come back a little bit later, maybe just to see if he was right and prove himself to be able to get back out there, but it wasn't. The game was already over. So it's not like London Borg came back here. Willis Reed style. Although Willis Reed's box score from that game shocked the hell out of me once I actually looked it up. So Mara finishes with 26, 9 and 3 two blocks. And it felt like everybody kind of played their part. So that leads us to UConn. Right? So UConn's going to play good defense in every game, you would think. Eighth overall in defensive efficiency. Michigan number one, you'd imagine. Is there a chance Yukon is going to shoot it better than Arizona from outside? They hit 12 threes against Illinois, which is a big number for UConn. But if you look at how the team stack up, Michigan and UConn shooting it from three. There's so many teams in college basketball. So if I tell you Michigan's ranked 28th overall from 3 and UConn's ranked 151st. There's so many teams in college basketball can build up and I'm just telling you like Michigan has shot it better all season long than UConn has. The gap isn't, isn't crazy here, but like I love UConn knowing the fight I love defensively. Like they're not just going to get smoked all night long. You wouldn't expect that to happen. I know it happened against St. John's but look what they did against Illinois. Illinois had one assist in the first half. That'd be hard to do if you were trying to have one assist. I couldn't believe that number. But it was a lot of one on one because of what UConn's going to do against your perimeter players. The same thing when I watch Michigan State and fears against Louisville, I went, okay, really nice game. There's no way UConn's going to let you live like this. There's no way that it's going to be this easy for you against the Huskies as it was against Louisville. So as I think about all these factors and trying to figure out tonight's game and also the London Borg factor, factor of like, what's he actually going to look like here? Here's the thing that scares me for UConn is defensively, on paper, they're not as good as Michigan. Offensively, they're not as good as Michigan. They haven't shot it as well as Michigan. And you're asking Terrace Reed, who. Who has worked himself into a certain second round pick. All right, but the year he's had and the tournament that he's had, he has been their steady offensive force throughout this entire run. Yeah, there's been some big shots from Mullins. Obviously Caravan is somebody you'd expect. He was much better in the beginning of the tournament than he has been shooting the last couple games. I mean, he's been abysmal the last couple of games. Caravan's 3:18 from the floor against Duke and then Illinois, but he had a huge one against Duke late, so it, it kind of masks it a little bit after he had 27 against UCLA. But Reed has been the constant. All right, so where's the room for Reed offensively? Which lineups is UConn going to be able to run out there where it doesn't feel like there's someone that Michigan will completely ignore defensively or maybe they just will and then see what happens because it worked against Arizona. But when I think about Mara Curling, when I think about back screens for Mara on back screens on Reed, for Mara to then cut down to the hoop and then whatever help is coming over, whether it's Mullins where it's Caravan or a guard against Mara, it's going to be a huge ask for Reed to do anything to compete with all of this size. I'm not saying that he can't, but you can't play him 40 minutes. You're going to play him 38 minutes. Then what are you going to get from him? Offensively? The idea was that Arizona, between Iwaka Pete and Crevasse could at least hang with this size a little bit and they were completely overwhelmed. So that is asking a lot. And if you're going to go with Ryba, the freshman who had a layup miss against Illinois, that probably could have put that game to bed, I think he would have made it from 14 to 16. He misses, looked uncomfortable. He's played 35 minutes in five tournament games. So can you get 11, 12 really good minutes out of him when he hasn't looked comfortable in this just to spare Read, because I don't know what they're going to do with Read. Are they going to have Reed show on ball pressure stuff or are they just going to say you know, you're going to have to. Your main priority is just always tagging Mara on any of the stuff. And then we'll figure out the Morris Johnson part of this later. Michigan can win this game without Londonbore tonight. So you never want to rule out UConn because of the history. And we all know, I mean, we're doing this long enough. It's like, hey, one game. I'm not going to be shocked by anything. I'm not shocked Michigan beat Arizona. I'm shocked that they took their soul. This episode is brought to you by Body Armor Flash iv, the official rapid rehydration drink of March Madness. Flash IV is packed with electrolytes delivering faster, longer lasting hydration without any artificial dyes, flavors, sweeteners. Whether you're training, traveling, or just feeling the heat, you need to start your day getting the body right and rehydrating yourself. And I'm doing it every morning now with Body Armor Flash iv. Work hard and hydrate hard with Body Armor Flash iv, the official rapid rehydration drink of March Madness. Grab it at 7:11. Great time of the year to be catching up with Adam Lefkoe of TNT, also part of the NCAA tournament coverage, which he was all over this weekend. TNTCBS, an alternative broadcast on HBO, Max and TruTV with all of the members of the Fab Five for Arizona and Michigan. You know, there's a lot of desks being put to the limits this time of year. What was it like being with those five guys that are that are not afraid to mix it up as their team dominates Arizona?
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Adam Lefkoe
I've done so many different streams on like different platforms and things. Betting streams, basketball streams, NFL streams, and usually they're not well received. I think this is the first time I've been on one where people are like, that was cool. And I think the blowout kind of helped because it naturally turns into a podcast anyway. But strategy wise, I was like, I need to have one of the non jawon Jalen C. Web guys next to me because if Jalen's next to me, we're going to be talking the whole time. And luckily Ray ended up being the funniest one of the whole group. And like within the first minute saying that Chris Weber's breath stunk and they needed to Uber in a breath mint, I was like, we got the right guy next to me. And yeah, dude, the whole day I was going, my goal is to say nothing. My goal is like one basket, 15 assists. Because I know how these streams work and the normal, the number one tweet is, bro, we're not watching for you. So I was like, I'm not. I do not want to shoot the ball at all. And then once they started going, I was like, I'll take the plane off and I'll land the plane. But it was fun, man. And then we hung out afterwards and it was just your college friends saying they love you. Like they love each other and they miss each other and we wish we could do this more, you know? Like, I think that was the third or fourth time they've ever been in the same room since they left in the early 90s. And they're telling stories about the dorms afterwards and, and, and how they got back at an RA that, that ratted them out for the music too loud or, you know, like how they would get around Fisher. So honestly, I texted all my boys the next morning and I was like, we need to get a, like a trip together. Because for me that's, that's what was
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Ryan Rosillo
really cool was this.
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Adam Lefkoe
I saw the 19 year old kids, I saw them be like, man, Juwan used to iron his khakis and they're like just clowning them like while we're eating wings and drinking tequila. So it was, it was a great night, bro.
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Ryan Rosillo
It really was. That's CBA 1996 Rookie of the year Ray Jackson. So bad, man. The game itself, like, I imagine, look, all those guys expect that Michigan is going to win, but I mean there really was 10 to 1. So did you get any sense of like what they had thought about anything that Michigan could run into that would be a problem? Because I mean, the problem didn't really present itself throughout the game. So I'm just curious like if you got time on their thoughts on the matchup? Maybe before it got one sided, it
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Adam Lefkoe
went exactly what they were fearing, which was the bigs of Michigan getting foul trouble. And I mean in the first 1012 minutes of the game, you had two fouls on Mara, you had two fouls on Mahrez Johnson and you had two fouls on Yaxel and he's in the locker room with a turned ankle. Like that was the fear that it was Arizona size and Michigan size. Like Ray said that right away, he's like, I just don't want the refs involved. And they were heavily involved. It just seemed like the three fouls against Jaden Bradley was more impactful to Arizona than Michigan having to go into their depth. And they were talking a lot about McKinney, the freshman from Michigan, who's. I think he's on 50, 60 splits right now in the tournament, which is insane. Yeah, they were afraid of fouls and Arizona size. And then once we got out there and you realized that Mara has a few inches on Krivos. And then there was. It looked like they had the size advantage at every position. You know, sometimes the listed heights aren't as accurate and yeah, that was the only fear. And then I think we left the game going, wow, what can stop this team? I don't know.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, it feels pretty. I mean, granted, with UConn's history and Hurley's history and now being there for the third time in four years, like, this is not a team anyone would ever be dismissive of. But what I had said in the beginning, I mean, it's not just they beat up another team in the final Four, they beat up a damn near perfect team in Arizona. And Arizona looked just gutted, you know, overwhelmed, not up for it. You know, like if you were going to lose, which again, I wouldn't have expected, like, sure, Michigan could have won the game, but I didn't, I didn't see something where it was like their soul was taken from them. And I think Arizona was just kind of running out the clock there for way too long of a game. Like they get off to the bad start in the second half and it's like, oh, you guys are, you guys are done. Done. Like, this is it.
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Kyle
This.
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Ryan Rosillo
There's not going to be any kind of eight point game with, you know, six minutes to go where you're like, okay, there's a chance that this is kind of some sort of game. It was just a really impressive, just 40 minute performance from a team just taking again the soul from their opponent.
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Adam Lefkoe
It was the second time this season where a matchup was supposed to be incredible. I got eviscerated online because before Gonzaga, Michigan, Ken Palm was like, this is the best non conference matchup in 20 years. So I said that on TV. And then Michigan beat them by 40. And then this was supposed to be like the best high quality, most combined wins for two teams in the Final Four ever. And I'm hyping it up and then domination. So it's Michigan rise. How did they lose to Wisconsin? How did they lose those games? It's just the flow of, of the tournament. The Purdue game looks crazy now in retrospect. But yeah, you mentioned UConn and you said three and four years. If Hurley pulls that off, he's with two other names, John Wooden and Adolph Rupp think of, like, that's what happens if they pull off that upset. I kind of have the over under for threes that UConn needs to be in this game at like, 15. Like, I think if. If they're hitting it deep in the outside, if Mullins can use a height advantage, but it's a tall task.
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Ryan Rosillo
Fifteen is a lot. It's 12 against Illinois, which was like, I think their most since a regular season game in February against Seton Hall. So they're, you know, even though they have Mullins, even though they have Caravan, and, you know, I think there's some shot selection stuff there with the other guards. Like, as good as solo ball is, there's usually three or four shots where I'm like, what was that? You know, that's to be expected when the ball's in the hands of these guys. A lot of different times, it's. It's not so much even UConn having to keep pace offensively, because I imagine they're going to run their sets, there's probably going to be some fouls. I worry about them defensively. I worry about terrorists, Reed trying to survive. The stuff where it's Mara on those back screens, and it's like, if you're going to ask Reed to show on any of these ball handlers, because then if you're asking Caravan or whoever the other forward is to deal with Mara, like Arizona, in theory, had the size to be able to handle this. UConn does not have anyone other than Reed. And that's like the number one thing for tonight's game that just at least stands out as a disadvantage on paper.
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Adam Lefkoe
We covered UConn all year because we had, like, Big east and Big 12, and this team lost to Marquette a few weeks ago. And what we would notice throughout the season was defensively, as you mentioned, teams would pick on Caravan and Mullins and they would kind of put them into rotations and screen to set it up and that I don't know if it was because the Big east teams saw them more and they knew to attack that, and teams in the tournament don't as much. I also think Caravans played so much better in the tournament, and he's just kind of built like that, but I agree with you. Like, they don't really have the depth, they don't have the size. It's just going to have to be one of those, man, any, any game, any night moments, and they're the one team that you can't bet against. But no, I agree with you. Defensively has been their liability all year, especially those two guys.
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Ryan Rosillo
Let's talk a little NBA. We were in a tough stretch of the season.
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Adam Lefkoe
How's that going? Because I'm going to be honest, I'm not an NBA guy anymore. How has it been dealing with a season where everyone's talking about we're going to tank and then, oh, we've messed up awards. Now I feel on the outside, I used to defend it all the time. It's been a weird NBA season. I'm just checking in on you, bro. Are you okay with how it's going right now?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I mean, look, I'm okay, but I'm not gonna lie. Like Friday night I was like, wait, you prepared, you didn't do anything tonight because of this slate. And so.
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Adam Lefkoe
Oh, all the blowouts, like all the 15, 20 point blowouts.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that was sweet. Yeah, they had some number, like there hadn't been this many one sided games in a night like in forever and then it happened again the next night. So you're like, this isn't. But I, I do think it's like I have a bigger thing that I'm working on. I may do it on Thursday's show, but if you're sitting there going like, hey, look at all these bad NBA games. When usually this is when the bad NBA games are happening. The majority of the games. Because Denver San Antonio is one of the best games, if not the single best game the entire season. So yeah, I was sometimes. But yeah, no, I, I know what you're saying. But like sometimes I'll go, how many NFL games have to be good for it to be a great NFL Sunday? It's like, do you expect all of them to be great? Because that's not the case. Although, just need one. Yeah, right. Like the Sunday nighters, like an all timer. Then it's like, man, this was, this was so much fun. But again with the math and the scoring and all that kind of stuff, you can have that one o' clock window closed, like where it feels like five games are on the balance. So, um, I'm, I'm getting a little distracted with all this stuff. But when you're comparing how great this, I'd say even the conference championship games for college hoops were and how much fun I had with that. And then again this tournament, even though it's a little chalky, which two years in a row with this, which you know, I'm totally fine with, I don't know that it's entirely fair to be going like, hey look how bad the NBA product is when we knew at the trade deadline. It's like, hey, there's going to be 10 teams tanking all at the same time. And it's going to get really ugly. Like, just get me to the playoffs and then we can start to talk about comparing the NBA product in the playoffs against the tournament. Because I don't remember anybody watching a rig. I don't. And I'm not. I'm talking like non college basketball media. I don't remember kind of like just national opinion, people talking about anything with college basketball. November, December and January. So some of the stuff feels a
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Adam Lefkoe
little
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Ryan Rosillo
unfair if at the same time justified based on the product that the NBA regular season has been the last few weeks.
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Adam Lefkoe
I've, I was joking because I've never understood. Like, I saw a bunch of college basketball reporters last night. Like, bro, it's all basketball. Like, why, why, why do you care if yours is seen as better than the next? Like, all these kids are gonna play in the NBA.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like, I don't get.
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Adam Lefkoe
It's like, it's like lunchroom table type of stuff.
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Ryan Rosillo
You could say that, but that's just not, that's not the way it works. Because I mean, you're either covering one or the other or you're, you're associated with one or the other. And rarely do I see anybody that's associated with their sport shitting on their sport. It's usually anyone associated with the other sports telling them how great their sport is in comparison to the other one.
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Adam Lefkoe
Yeah, but like, you watch everything, right? Like, you'll watch all the sports, you'll take it all in like they're all for our entertainment. It's just more of the people that are so embedded in their sport that constantly have to feel like they have to big up their own. But no, I agree with you also about the schedule of the NBA. And as I'm on a draftkings pod right now, I used to, when I was a gambler, I don't gamble anymore. Figuring out when the real tanking is going to begin in this third quadrant of the NBA. Because it's, it, it just becomes very obvious now, like you mentioned the last two weeks of the year, it really starts to pick up the intensity all of a sudden. The injury reports clean up a little bit. And then when the playoff starts that first week, everyone goes, oh yeah, it's a completely different game when the playoffs start. The way they play is different, the effort's different, the strategy is different. So it's, it's going to be amazing. Especially because I have never no idea who's coming out of the east right now. Like zero concept of who's coming out of the East.
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Ryan Rosillo
If you had to, then would you pick somebody right now? Because I feel the same way.
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Adam Lefkoe
But I think the teams that I don't trust, like Detroit and New York, I find myself going Boston. And just because they have this psychopath coach and these two star players that I've seen do it. And that's typically what happens with predictions is until a team breaks through, you don't break trust them. But Jason Tatum coming back and doing what he's done immediately was not something that I ever factored in. And I clearly underrated his his moxie. And once I see that and it's him and Jalen, are you going to kill those dudes? Four times in seven games. I end up going to the reliable, which used to be the team that couldn't get over, but now I have ultimate faith in them.
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Ryan Rosillo
The Cade thing changes so much of it. And these updates where it's like, okay, reevaluated and then everybody kind of locks into like, oh, they said he'd be reevaluated in two weeks and that means just double it. That's kind of what I do now whenever there's a reevaluation date. It doesn't mean anything. So I would like to, because of what I've seen from like peak Detroit defensively, knowing that not everybody loves the offense, I still think the overall numbers offensively are better for Detroit than maybe the perception of who they are. I think I might trust New York more than Cleveland though, because Cleveland seems like kind of a trendy, trendy pick. Although, you know, whatever, it's one game. But who are their guards?
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Adam Lefkoe
Who are the main guards for Cleveland?
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, they have a lot of guards.
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Adam Lefkoe
Yeah, but like their main two, Mitchell and Harden. Yeah. I'm not trusting James Harden ever. I'm done. Like, I'm not getting sold this anymore. Like, I like how, like, this could be the worst clip ever. I don't care. Like, hey, I'm picking the James Harden team to go to the finals. I'm not like, I'm out, bro. We talk about the skin. There's always that. That time the three quarters of the year where James Harden's got like 15 assists and he's dropping 15 points and you're like, man, we might need to give this guy a long term contract and then vanish. So like, I'm just, I can't ride that ride anymore. I'm done.
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Ryan Rosillo
You put New York in that same group. Not specific to a player, but just of not being able to trust them.
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Adam Lefkoe
Yeah. Because there's something about like and again, I love Jalen Brunson. It's a different game in the playoffs and I see him get picked on in the playoffs over time and time again. And also, you know what? I'm not trusting, man. I'm getting real mean today. You caught me at a good time. I'm not trusting Karl Anthony Towns in the clutch. Like, these are storylines that when it happens in the playoffs, we all are like, man, he's doing it again. He's got four fouls on like really bone. It's just time and situation and people that I trust that understand time and situation and those guys are the ones that I, I've just seen it happen so many times that I'm scarred.
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Ryan Rosillo
Are you willing to say you think San Antonio can beat. Okay stay in the playoffs. Can and will are obviously two different things. Yeah. Can.
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Adam Lefkoe
Yes. No, I, I. Because again with the schedule, I can see how Oklahoma City has been resting players all year and they, and it's, I think the teams that they've had throughout the year is not the representation that we're going to have in the playoffs. Yeah, no, I, I feel like it's, I'm pretty dead set on. It's either Oklahoma City or I kind of like Denver. I, the thing about San Antonio is again, I've seen the story of the very young team that has the great regular season but they don't even realize what they're getting into when it comes to a seven game series in the playoffs. And I think some of those kids are going to step up and really make a name for themselves. But I think some of it's going to be a reality check. I've never been this definitive on a sports podcast so you got me. Rosello. I don't know what the hell's happening right now.
- [34:11]
Ryan Rosillo
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Adam Lefkoe
Oh, you're talking about. If we're talking hoops and they. Well, on air versus off air, I have two different roles. So on air, like I said, I'm lobs. I'm asking questions because I don't think anyone at home really cares what I have to say other than my mom. And I'm cool with that. That's not an ego thing. I need off the air. I love. I pitch it like it's Shark Tank. Like I give them an idea and they're like, nah, absolutely not.
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Ryan Rosillo
And so give me a, give me a Lefko Shark Tank pitch that bombed tragically.
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Adam Lefkoe
Okay, well, like, this is one that used to happen all the time, but this is. It would be like Boston would be up, let's say like 20 to 4. Like early in the game I'd be like, well, this game's over. And they'd all look at me and be like, yo, shut the hell up. Like, this is not even like. And you know what I mean? And then the other team comes back and it's a game and they're like, you need to understand like the flow of all this. And then I remember there was one time where I was like, man, I really like the up tempo stuff and kind of like putting pressure on it. Like, why'd they stop doing that? And they're like, bro, you need to make shots if you want to be able to press. Like, you can't. You can't just press all the time. So it's like little things like that or I'm blanking right now, but just like player opinions. But one thing you said about like the eras, the one thing that I constantly hear these NBA, these old NBA guys talk about with this new era, that is their issue. They all go, man, they don't play pickup. They never played pickup. All these kids are like station kids. And. And they go and they get these trainers and they work on getting to a spot, but, like, none of them have, like, high iq. None of them know what it's like to go on a court. Like, Mashburn loves this. He's like, bro, you need to understand, like, growing up in the Bronx and in Harlem, like, going to a court and playing with kids that are four years older than you, and, like, you just need to kind of fit in in the beginning of your. Like, they've never experienced this. And that's the part that they get upset about, is they don't see the flow of basketball anymore. They see the hit. My percentages get to the spot, and I think it. It's less fun for them. That's, like, the big generational gap that I hear from them on set.
- [37:46]
Ryan Rosillo
I would agree with that part of it. On, I think specializing in so much trainer kind of development, you can even see with certain players, you're like, okay. I can tell that you have worked on all of these different release points. And the shot making itself is incredible. There's never been a collection of shot makers like we see in the game today. The fact that you can have a team where it's like, they've got, like, five or six guys that off the dribble can all kind of get to their spots and make. Because they've reft it so many different times. But there does seem to be some players that focus on that so much that then once it gets clogged up, it's like, all right, but this doesn't mean it's over now. It may be over for you, but it doesn't mean it's over for necessarily everybody else. And maybe I'm being a little dramatic with it, but it does feel like whenever I see these trainer videos, like, is anybody else playing? No. Is there anybody? Did you bring anybody else?
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Adam Lefkoe
Remember the Yee video that got him drafted because he was, like, making moves on a chair, and, like, we made fun of that for years. That's, like, what they do now. Like, that's their training is the videos that we made fun of, you know, like, it doesn't make sense. Yes. Oh, wonderful.
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Kyle
Okay.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right. I just wanted to make sure, because I was like, I don't remember Kanye getting drafted. Yeah, it seems. It seems like there's a lot of that stuff. But, I mean, I guess on the other side of it, though, too, like, I can go back and watch some of those games and see how simple the defense is and see how packed everybody is in the paint and how they're not showing on anything because they don't ever have to worry about showing on anything. And that there's just a lot of simple stuff happening on defense back then that isn't happening today. Because you can't be simple on defense.
- [39:37]
Adam Lefkoe
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Can you even go there? What do you mean? Guys, could you say to like, Kenny. Well, Kenny. You guys didn't have.
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Adam Lefkoe
Kenny would tear me up. Like, that's not so.
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Ryan Rosillo
He'd be fine being wrong.
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Adam Lefkoe
Oh, yeah. Like, I. It like, Rossella, like, you've been in rooms before, right? Where like, you look around, you're like, I need to. I need to be low key in here. And then when it's my time, I'll talk. Right. Like, you're not. You're not busted. It's like pickup. Like, you're not in the first pickup game putting up all the shots. Like, that's a person.
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Ryan Rosillo
It depends on who else is playing. But yes, I get your point. Yeah. Like, when Tommy Hindson sat next to me for the first time, you didn't say about. It took two years for him to finally go, okay, you're not a raging moron.
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Adam Lefkoe
See, you and me are different too, because you genuinely have very well developed basketball opinions rooted in structure. I'm the guy that goes. I'm the guy that goes, yo, did you ever get in a fight in the locker room? And then they start telling the story and then I just sit back and then someone that's also a non player looks at me and they're like, the whole time I'm sitting there being like, who smoked the most weed on the team playing? You know, I mean, like, who gambled the most? Like, I'm very much more like sensational player stories. And I think that's why I get along with a lot of them because I'm never like, actually, like, I really. They. They're going to. That's their job. My job is the. The. The flavor, in my opinion.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. No, I. Look, nobody. Even if you were the son of a coach who didn't play anywhere but like, spent a life in it, you couldn't ever have Kenny at the telestrator and then go like, actually, the help is supposed to come from the corner. Like, it can't. You can't do that.
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Adam Lefkoe
You're actually giving me an idea. Like, this is very like NBA on TNT brain. Like, that's a bit that we could do to try and get Kenny angry. Like if Ernie all of a sudden was like, I disagree, Kenny. Like, I actually think they need to like, swing it. Blah, blah, Blah. And then Kenny, like, it would. It would freeze him in his tracks. I might actually pitch this to tk. This is a good idea.
- [41:57]
Ryan Rosillo
I would love to be a part of it. I mean, just from a distance, watching.
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Adam Lefkoe
If I was going to put you on, like, an inside set, the way I would do it is I would bring you on and you would have to be combative the entire time. And then eventually, can he be like, who the. Who the fuck is this guy? Like, we would have to bubble it up to a level that's, like, way too much. I don't know if you can handle that, though.
- [42:20]
Ryan Rosillo
I would probably just start by saying that I'm bringing the white man's perspective.
- [42:25]
Adam Lefkoe
Oh, then Charles. Oh, my God, Charles would freak out. Have you had a night with Chuck? Because I know you're a big stuff guy.
- [42:33]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, I've had. I've had a couple times that I've hung out with him, and it's. It's great. But he's. He's. Everybody wants a piece. So, like, you have to know, like, you're not going to get one on one time with him. And he does his best, probably of anybody, any celebrity I've ever seen. He does the best job of trying to make everybody feel like they're going to get. Whether you're kind of like, in the main.
- [42:59]
Adam Lefkoe
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Orbit. And then there's like, the side orbit.
- [43:02]
Adam Lefkoe
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
And then everybody's kind of coming in. So, like, if you're in the main orbit, the side orbits may take up more time in the main orbit because you know that you're like, good, and you might be onto the next spot with them or something like that. It's only been a couple times. And, like, look, he knows. He knows the deal because he texted. He texted Van Pelt once when I was just on the air, and I was like, oh, yeah, he's my favorite athlete of all time. And he'll never be replaced. Like, it's just. There's no way at 50, how would I ever have a new. Unless I had a kid? But even then, he'd probably be number two to Chuck. So Van Pelt was like, he's in the car listening right now. And he just said, hey, is Ryan full of. Is that. Is he bullshitting right now? And then Van Pelt texted back. He's like, no.
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Adam Lefkoe
He's like, you're never had Chuck on this podcast.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, we've had him on. He knows. He knows all this stuff. Like, because I think once I got his cell phone number, he Was a little worried. I think like, anything. It's like, well, how much, like, if I'm your favorite athlete of all time, are you going to be fucking annoying? Like, are you going to be like, can you believe that? Auburn score?
- [44:03]
Adam Lefkoe
I cried. I cried in front of, in front of Brian Dawkins when I had him in person on my show. I didn't even mean to. Like, he sat down and I was just like. I was like, bro. And I was like, mother. Like, and he. And then because he's so religious, that he was like, look at God. And I was like, I know, bro. He's like, but okay. Yeah, because you're so right.
- [44:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Back up a little bit though. Why did you cry?
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Adam Lefkoe
I was overwhelmed. Like, I don't fanboy over, dude. It was like last year.
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Ryan Rosillo
It was last year I was with
- [44:35]
Adam Lefkoe
Mike Golick Jr. And I didn't know that Brian Dawkins was coming because it was like at Radio Row and he sat down and I started being like, I started introing him and then like, I turned into like 14 year old Lefkoe and I started crying and then he hugged me and it was. Yeah, it was emotional.
- [44:54]
Ryan Rosillo
It was bad.
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Adam Lefkoe
There's video. It just hasn't surfaced, but it's bad. Yeah, I was like a child.
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Ryan Rosillo
You told it though, so that's great because like, that means you're at peace and no one, no one can give you a hard time about it. By the way, he is, he's awesome because he was running around ESPN for a little while too, so he was, he was one of my favorite dudes because he was just such a badass.
- [45:18]
Adam Lefkoe
Oh, yeah. Like, he would just take people's lives and then he would like, stand over them and just be like, jesus, claim me as your son. And like, he didn't curse like, oh, the legend. Yeah, I was with. I was with Chuck last night. And you're totally right about the orbits. It's every two minutes. Hey, I'm sorry to bother you or I hate to do this. And then you're sitting there and you're like, wait, you were telling a story about Bobby Sura and, and like the Florida State team in the early 90s. And we'll never get back to that because the train of thought is completely left. It's tough because you want to hear the stories, but they get sidetracked so many times.
- [45:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I think I've done a good job of not being weird with him because I've gotten older, so what am I going to do? The last thing I want him to do is think that I'm going to be texting him all the time. So I probably text him less than I probably should for the show's sake. Just because I'm like, I don't want to be. Because whenever he talks about the Jackass line, you have to ask yourself, you're like, do I have. Do I have the second phone number? Like, I really hope I don't, because I don't think Van Pelt has a second phone number. So I think.
- [46:29]
Adam Lefkoe
I think you're in the circle of trust. If I know him well enough, I believe it.
- [46:34]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I think. I think we're good. I think we're fine. He. Even when Van Pelt was going to Sports center, he hit me up and said, are you good? And I was like, good, Because Scott and I had decided. I was like, look, it's been six years and I'm going to have to do something else because if I only stay with you, then that's going to just limit everything that I want to be, and it's just never going to work. It has nothing to do with you or I.
- [47:04]
Adam Lefkoe
You'd be the Andy Richter of sports.
- [47:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Right? And I didn't. No. No offense to Andy. I didn't want to do that. So I. Scott was getting this primo, primo, like, Sports center thing, which now he's been doing over 10 years, which has completely worked out. And so he had a thing. And so it all made sense anyway. But Chuck was kind of like, didn't know what was going on. Like, thought maybe I was, like, totally on the outs or whatever. And he's like, hey, are you okay? Are you going to be okay with that? I was like, yeah, I'm going to be. I'm going to be good. It's actually going to work out in a really good way for me because I didn't do this as some Machiavellian move. But they were like, well, now we have this slot that's open, and he was already in it, so now we'll just make it this. And then that was what ended up with Canel. But who knows? If I had said I'm in trouble, who knows what happens to Lefkoe? What if I had pitched him and be like, hey, Chuck, get me in with tnt. I know I'm not the most polished.
- [48:02]
Adam Lefkoe
Thank you for not doing that, because I would be shit out of luck right now.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'm not built for that. So I'm kidding, and I don't really mean that, but it was really cool Chuck. And so that's.
- [48:15]
Adam Lefkoe
You've only opened yourself up to being, like, this singular entity that all of us sports fans really trust, because we know that you're. You're putting a lot of thought into it. Like the fact that you said, I'm working on something for Thursday. How many people in this space do you think are even saying that sentence? I don't think many. I think a lot of people go on their app, look at the news, and go, all right, crazy time in the NBA today. We got. Dude, you're the only one putting in the hours, bro. That's why we all fuck with you.
- [48:46]
Ryan Rosillo
I think Ethan Strauss probably has thoughts. Some. Some notes here or there I could probably do.
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Adam Lefkoe
Nice.
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Ryan Rosillo
No, I think there's. I think they're least for, like, hey, this is something that's been on my mind for a while. And writing notes down is, like, a bigger thing, but it's just harder with the turnover. If this show were once a week, be killer. Be a great show. Let me end with this. It feels like if OKC runs through this whole thing again, they are going to be the enemy in a way that's usually reserved for teams with more tradition, with bigger markets. Right. But I think the Dodgers enemy thing is helping baseball, all right? Now, people can be mad about it and feel left out. How does my team get to compete with this? But there's this central figure that exists now that I think every league needs, someone that everybody's actually rooting against. And if you look at, like, World Series ratings, you have Dodgers, Yankees, shocker, that did awesome. I think Dodgers. Toronto turns into Dodgers against an entire country, even if we're talking about a country with limited population in comparison to the United States. But OKC is. There's so much more that's positive about them that could be negative. But if they were to run through this whole thing again, do you think it's good or bad for the perception of the league?
- [50:21]
Adam Lefkoe
I think you nailed it. My first thought went to the warriors in the 2010s and how every team that took a shot at them, it built it up. And it felt like 29 versus 1. Same thing. Bulls in the 90s. It lifts everything. I agree. I mean, I was covering baseball this year. And the cool thing about the Dodgers is not only are they unbelievable, they're fun to. Every time someone comes up to the plate, it's Mookie, it's Freddie, it's Shohei. And so you're getting, like, premium television experience. My only concern about the Thunder is the watchability of SGA because it's not the warriors in 2013, where I'm watching incredible shot making and flow. I'm watching a lot of free throws, and that's the only thing that I think could hurt it. But I agree with you that we've heard all these commissioners say dynasties are better for sports. Because I love your theory of the collective angst of the rest of the league against one. It's the Jake Paul effect. You need one figure that everyone wants to see lose, and if they win, you go, we knew they were going to win. There's closure to it. No, I agree with you completely.
- [51:35]
Ryan Rosillo
And I'm trying to think about if you're a Thunder fan, you're like, hey, well, what the hell have we actually done that's even that bad? It's like, we have the best gm, we have an incredible coach that was completely on the same page of the front office coming in through the grassroots version of what it was that we were trying to do. We evaluate so well. We can't even play, like, three guys that'd be in a rotation for everybody else. Like, once we're in the playoffs, we nail almost all of our draft picks except for Poku. You know, we. We make this trade where the Clippers are desperate, and then we benefit from the whole thing. And then the other piece in this SGA develops into one of the, I would say, two best players in the world right now. So, yeah, SGA gets some free throws, so do some other guys, and we may foul the shit out of you off the ball, but so do a lot of teams. Like, I was watching Seon James again the other night, and I'm like, my God, this guy, like, kills dudes off the ball. But because it's OKC and they're playing it like, I was worried a little bit about the NBA product when it was going to be potentially a Knicks Thunder finals. Although I'm sure the NBA would have appreciated that after the ratings for Pacers Thunder. But there was going to be like, hey, can we get some weird Brunson SGA minutes here where the person just jumping in is going like, hey, what the hell's going on with these two guys? Like, it's just. Just who can get to the free throw line? So it ended up not being that much of an issue. And we had a great NBA Finals last year. And I don't think the. And I don't think the SGA thing was. Wasn't really problematic. It didn't become that big of A talking point. The fear that I had for that. But there's so much that should be celebrated about the Thunder as opposed to. But nobody's no neutral fan is going to be sitting around saying, hey, this foul baiting is driving me crazy. And it seems like they're hacking the shit out of Jokic if that's the matchup when he doesn't have the ball and he's in the post. Although Castle was doing the same thing to him this weekend as well. I don't think any casual fans going to see those things and be upset and then go. You know what though? Hell of a front office and great internal development. No one's ever going to say that on the couch. You're right.
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Adam Lefkoe
The typical upset like upset reactions are big market team that buys a championship, which is the Dodgers, which is epl, which is all of the, the, the international.
- [54:01]
Ryan Rosillo
At least a Warriors thing like you could say within the rules. But that was a very easy thing to root against for everybody else when Katie goes there. So right to your point. Yeah. When.
- [54:10]
Adam Lefkoe
When one fan base goes, well, my owner's willing to pay the luxury tax. That's not a fun sports conversation. We don't want to go there. But Sam Presti like making prescient decisions and having all of these draft picks. Like typically we celebrate the small market team that figured it out. Like this is a team that lost Durant, Harden and Westbrook and then figured it out like that. We don't. That doesn't happen. Like you look at Milwaukee right now, if they lose Giannis, you worry about what is the drought going to be until the next superstar comes to Milwaukee. You know, sometimes it never happens. It just is gone. And yeah, when Oklahoma. I was going to ask, do you think Sam Presti ever leaves? Because I'm sure he's going to get wooed. But you can't leave this situation. It's too perfect of a situation to leave right now.
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't pretend to know him, so I do think he's wired a little differently.
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Adam Lefkoe
Sam, we know you listen to the pod. You need to hang out with Ryan and talk to him and he wants to have you on the pod. Please.
- [55:11]
Ryan Rosillo
Thank you. He's not coming on the pod. That ask is has been out there for a while.
- [55:15]
Adam Lefkoe
Damn.
- [55:19]
Ryan Rosillo
I. I mean he's still pretty young for this, right?
- [55:23]
Adam Lefkoe
So pick up the Brinks truck, man. Like, like someone's need to make a pitch for that guy.
- [55:28]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know how the valuation of these teams and it all being private equity at this point, like, they don't go like, hey, do you realize how much money we make in a bad year? Like, and this guy's not at $30 million. Like, just have him. Have that guy come here. So I imagine there's some sort of number that would eventually get him to want to move on from it. I think he made a really good point. Like, he's put so much time into this. They make the 12 finals with that group. You think, okay, you know, this is our first thing. We got a little scarring here. We're going to be back into some version of the next couple years. And it's like, no, actually, you're not going to get back here for over a decade. And it was funny, too, because, like, in the way our world works, that actually does annoy me a lot. It's like, oh, Sam Presti's so good. He's never won a title. And you're like, okay, so you think he's bad? Like, so you think he's bad at this? Yeah.
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Adam Lefkoe
Very binary.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, right? And I. Even though there's no emotional attachment to it at all, I was happy for Presti because it's like, he just. He needs to get one. So the dopes go like, oh, I guess I can't, like, say that anymore. It's like, well, you shouldn't have said it in the first place. And there's a part of it.
- [56:35]
Adam Lefkoe
It was the worst Stephen A. Take that I've seen in a very long time. That.
- [56:39]
Ryan Rosillo
That was it Stephen A. That said it.
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Adam Lefkoe
I remember he went on TV and he's like, how many championships does Sam Presti have? And I was like, dude, what are you even talking about right now? Like, the dude doesn't even dribble. Like. Like, this is insane. Look what he's done in this market. Like, Sam Presti has zigged when everyone else has zagged in such creative ways. He's the only guy that said, give me all of your bad contract because you don't even understand expiring assets and what I can turn this into. Oh, you need a third team for a trade? Yeah, baby, I'll. I'll take all of that. Like, he. He just made. And then the way he's drafted, like, J Dub, like, all these guys, these were not, oh, I got the right guy at the top of the lottery. Like, these are, like, mid teens. And yeah, if you. If you can. If it's all about the championship or bust, then we don't even need to talk about the season. We'll just wait to see who's in the finals, and then we'll talk about them for six months. But it's.
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Ryan Rosillo
There's not.
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Adam Lefkoe
He's. What he's done is incredible.
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Ryan Rosillo
We agree. I didn't catch that. I know that it was kind of out there, you know, so I wouldn't bring it up unless I'd heard a few times. I didn't have it one specifically. I know that there was one Mad Dog take was SPO Got bounced in the playoffs with a bad team, and he was like, SPO Str Hot seat. And I went, oh, my God. I was like, I'm fucking out. I did that for the day.
- [57:56]
Adam Lefkoe
I did that one time I was in Louisville, Kentucky, and I was filling in on a morning radio show, and I overslept and I was frantically driving and I had done no prep because I thought, oh, I'll wake up two hours early. And I had no prep. And it was the day that LeBron bumped into Spoelstra in year one. And I went on the radio and I, like, sat down there, like, five seconds, and I come on and I go, did you guys see that last night? Yeah. Looks like we got a problem. Miami, you know who loves LeBron and LeBron loves John Calipari, the coach of Kentucky. I don't know. We'll see what happens. We'll be right back, bro. That phone line was lit the whole day to the point where Matt Jones at Kentucky Sports Radio was like, stop calling about left coast. Take about Calipari to the Heat. He made it up. And I was like, I don't know if it did. I'm just saying he bumped into him last night. Like, sometimes when you're in a desperate time, it's a good take.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'm surprised you didn't stay in radio longer. They'd be like, this guy's amazing.
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Adam Lefkoe
Yeah, I love radio. It's great because it's just the craziest people that call in and they're so passionate, and it's the best.
- [59:10]
Ryan Rosillo
I love it. We will see you where? Because I don't know.
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Adam Lefkoe
I'm doing a pod with Shaq today with Joe Kim Noah. So that'll be out soon.
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Ryan Rosillo
Oh, that's going to be good.
- [59:22]
Adam Lefkoe
And then we have a pod that I'm shooting in two days in Augusta with Kevin Hart and Shaq. And that's like the same thing as the Fab Five. Like, get the fuck out of the way and let Kevin Hart make fun of Shaq for 20 minutes is the goal. And then NFL draft is coming up and then I'm going to go to Paris and host Roland Garros. The French Open.
- [59:44]
Ryan Rosillo
That's right. French open coverage of TNT. Or I guess TNT's coverage of TNT. You're a big tennis guy, right?
- [59:49]
Adam Lefkoe
You're a big tennis guy.
- [59:51]
Ryan Rosillo
I dabble. I dabble. I have some friends that are out there that check out the international circuit, so.
- [59:57]
Adam Lefkoe
What a cultured, worldly person. Ryan, thank you for having me.
- [60:01]
Ryan Rosillo
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Kyle
Oh, yes, there is.
- [61:37]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. So like there was flight problems. So then it was like, hey, you're just going to have to be in Dallas. He doesn't want to be in Dallas. It's not a. It's not personal with Dallas. It's not anything like that. He Wants to be home. And they were like, no, you're going to have to stay in Dallas another night. That extra night. Somewhere that you don't necessarily want to be. I've had to do it plenty of times. I've had a few Atlanta excursions where I'm like, cool, I'm in airport Atlanta for 18 hours, but I've never had to do it with two little kids. So,
- [62:07]
Kyle
yeah, I got a phone call. I got a phone call from this
- [62:10]
Ryan Rosillo
morning, and I was just, like.
- [62:11]
Kyle
I was trying to make out what he was saying to me between the two kids who were very awake at that point, and just. He's like, yeah, we should probably. We secured a late checkout, and we got, like, two hours to kill, and then we'll go to the airport. And I was like, that's a tough sentence. Anyway, thinking of you.
- [62:29]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't think you'd say no to me, Kyle. I don't know that you have that in you yet. Where you go. I think that's a bad idea. But I'm reading the Ronald Reagan biography from. Well, did it come out? Wait a minute. When did it come out? I'm checking right now. It's the Max boot one. I like reading about presidents. This one came out September 24th. I think it won book of the year some places. And Reagan was the first president that I was aware of.
- [63:06]
Kyle
Would you say that you started with exciting presidents and now you're kind of winding down? Because, I mean, you did Roosevelt, Teddy. You did Grant. Now we're winding down to maybe Reagan
- [63:18]
Ryan Rosillo
or winding down just like Reagan's a little lower on your rankings maybe, than some other guys out there.
- [63:27]
Kyle
He got shot at, right? Reagan. He got shot at.
- [63:29]
Ryan Rosillo
He did. Yeah, he did. He said, I hope my doctors are all Republicans. Did he say that? That's kind of funny. Yeah, he was good. He's pretty quick. Yeah, quick. But he started as a sports broadcaster.
- [63:42]
Kyle
Oh, I knew he was an actor.
- [63:44]
Ryan Rosillo
Right? Yeah. So I'm. I'm like a hundred pages in. I was a lifeguard. I started in sportscasting.
- [63:51]
Kyle
Your Venn diagrams are looking pretty similar.
- [63:53]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I'm looking. I'm probably, like, 24. And then he actually. He went out of spring training because the people that owned the Cubs owned Catalina. And so he convinced them to let them go to spring training or for him to call some spring training games or just to be around it. And then his whole plan was he was gonna work his way over to Hollywood. Cause he wanted to be an actor. He wanted to be an actor more than he wanted to be a sports broadcaster. Sounds like somebody else we know here. But, yeah, I'm like, 24 years behind. I think his timeline to this next transition to what he's doing, so I don't know that I'll be able to catch him for any presidential aspirations. But I just wanted to share the story because I thought it was really interesting. So he gets his first job in Iowa. His dad's unfortunately a drunk, and they're moving around a lot, but he ends up at this small college, Eureka College. He plays football. He's a terrific swimmer. He also was a male cheerleader for the men's basketball team. I like to say male cheerleader because we used to have a guy that would email into the show. Way back 20 years ago, Boston days, he'd be like, he signed every email, Greg the male cheerleader. So shout out to Greg the male cheerleader. I hope he's still with us. I think he probably is. I think he was probably our age at the time. So, anyway, he gets out there, starts pounding the pavement, and wants to work for a radio station. He really wants to be an actor, but he wants to be a radio guy. And everybody's telling him no. He went to Chicago. They were like, beat it. He's like, how can I get on the air? How can I have experience if nobody will ever give me an experience? So he works his way over to. I think originally it's a different town. It's not Des Moines. And then he meets these guys, and they were like, hey, can you call a football game? And he was like, yeah, I played football at Eureka. So he is sat down in front of this microphone, and the guy's like, tell me. Just tell me a game. You have to make up a game in your head, and then tell me the story of the game. And so Reagan goes back to a play. Yeah, Reagan go back to a play in his head from a game that he played in Eureka. Apparently, he nails it, and they're like, all right, cool. You know you're going to call Iowa, Minnesota, 1932, 21C score for the Golden Gophers. And they weren't on location for this stuff, though. Okay. So what they used to do is they would have, like, this teletype, and it would come in, and then you would do play by play off of somebody that was at the game, sending out to everybody that wanted to know what was going on that was broadcasting these games. Oh, my God, what was happening. So then he gets the Cubs gig, and there's this game. And. And he would just get the little MBBS sitting in a little studio, and he'd be like, oh, that's a single to right field. And whoever. Noodles Han. Safe at third.
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Kyle
Nice name. That's good.
- [66:42]
Ryan Rosillo
I always love saying that guy.
- [66:43]
Kyle
Old baseball news.
- [66:44]
Adam Lefkoe
Yeah.
- [66:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Noodles.
- [66:45]
Adam Lefkoe
Ha.
- [66:45]
Ryan Rosillo
1932 is like two. That's way too. He's. He's too old even for 32. So the teletype goes out, and Reagan's live on the air. And he's like, 22 years old and has this job. He's crushing it. It's also like, we're in the Great Depression, and he's rolling, and so he kind of freaks because the teletype would say, like, ball os. They'd be like, oh, it's a ball outside 2, 0 count. And be like, strike or be S1s be like, strike one swinging. So that's how he would do the game. And then obviously, every other code that would lead to any kind of result that you could have, and everybody was sort of in on it, knowing that he's not there. But he's just allowed to use his imagination as he's getting these identifiers of everything that's happening throughout the entire game. So the teletype goes out, and he's live on the air, and he's, like, fouled off by Jones for seven minutes. The teletypes down, and he's just making up that there's foul balls the entire time.
- [67:56]
Kyle
No scoring plays for seven minutes.
- [67:58]
Ryan Rosillo
He has no idea what's right. Nothing. And he says, the batter's fouling. He fouls off another one. Incredible.
- [68:07]
Kyle
It's like the longest foul streak in history, right?
- [68:10]
Ryan Rosillo
So then he said, when he was walking around the streets of Des Moines later on, people were like, hello. That must have been a record. And it was like a joke, because everybody knew, like, how many foul balls was. That. That's gotta be some kind of record. And they even had some little blurb in the paper. Then, of course, the game came back on. He picked it right back up and did his job. So there's a lesson out there for some of you youngsters if you're live. Although I think there's technology enough that no one would actually believe you anymore. It's a good thing we don't have to do that. There's been some TV broadcasts where people aren't in a location. But, yeah, we're going to do a little Reagan tidbit every few weeks if everybody's okay with that. Probably won't be, but I think we're okay. It's been pretty light. First hundred pages, pretty light. Good stuff, though. All right. Okay. I've enjoyed it. All right. Are you a godfather, Kyle?
- [69:00]
Kyle
Not officially, no.
- [69:01]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't think so. No.
- [69:02]
Kyle
No, No, I have not been specifically asked.
- [69:05]
Ryan Rosillo
No. No, no, no. That was a weird journey to know.
- [69:08]
Kyle
I don't know. I was thinking I got. I got kid. Like, friends with kids, like, really close.
- [69:12]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm like, I don't think I'm the godfather, so.
- [69:14]
Kyle
No, I don't think so. No. Definitely not. Let's put it this way. Definitely not a godfather.
- [69:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay. Not a godfather. All right, so picking godfather among three brother in laws, basketball comp Tony Allen, with less offensive skills and the ability to ruin friendships with his defense. Okay, I like that. That's a really good way of putting it.
- [69:37]
Kyle
Get a lot of what the fuck, mans from your buddies.
- [69:40]
Adam Lefkoe
Jesus.
- [69:40]
Ryan Rosillo
How do you play pickup hoops? I ruin friendships. Me and my wife just had our firstborn and likely last. You could have used a comma there two months ago as we planned for his christening. This is a very informal email, so I like this. This guy's just firing off words. As we plan for his christening this fall, we're in a bind of how do we pick among her three brothers to be the godfather? I have one sister, so it makes it easy for godmother, but we are struggling with who to pick for godfather. A little context. None of the three have had a girlfriend or dated in the 10 years we have been together. All three have not dated anyone for 10 years. With a bunch of Tom Hardys on your hand, I thought I was pretty ice.
- [70:32]
Kyle
Are they all fucking superheroes fighting crime. That's crazy. Ten years, none of them has had anyone that brought the dinner.
- [70:39]
Ryan Rosillo
What's up with the Adams boys? Stick to themselves. They're all great people, have great careers. All three would make a great godfather, but only one can be. When one brother asked me for the baby's 5:2:9 information, that made me want to pick him.
- [70:57]
Kyle
Sure.
- [70:57]
Ryan Rosillo
Just yesterday. What's that said sure.
- [70:59]
Kyle
It's a good sign.
- [71:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Just yesterday at Easter, we had the baby and the bouncer, and when the three of them walked in late, they had to walk by him. They all three of them were late. So was the baby a prop here? They all had to walk by him. The first guy, this almost sounds like.
- [71:17]
Kyle
Oh, they're observing.
- [71:19]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. The first walked by and ignored the baby. The second got down on his knees and said hello and gave Him a few bounces. The third brother said hi, patted him on the head, and kept walking. Something about the interaction made me think brother number two made the decision for us by that interaction. The issue is, aside from a random blind drawing, two others will be getting their feelings hurt. What does the great committee of three think I should do in this situation? If you three were to come up with some type of test of the three brothers, I'd be willing to do it and report back in the results, thanks to the content when we continue our visiting. I assume he meant him and his people of presidential libraries. This spring, we're going to make Poughkeepsie, where we stay overnight when we visit the fdr, our presidential library. All due to Kyle. Have you hit that library up, Kyle?
- [72:10]
Kyle
I have. I haven't done it since I've been an adult, but we just hit up the Vanderbilt Mansion, so we're going to be doing the library and the. And the estate for the Roosevelts probably soon.
- [72:21]
Ryan Rosillo
I had a roommate that was a Vanderbilt, one of those. I don't know if he stayed there, probably. There'd be a massive age gap. So, no, I don't think it was him. All right. I'm not a.
- [72:35]
Kyle
So I just met, like, an actual Vanderbilt, or. He just had the name, like, you know, Mike. I got no. There's no Michael Crichton money running around, you know, this side of the family,
- [72:43]
Ryan Rosillo
but I see what you're saying. Yeah. Yeah.
- [72:46]
Kyle
No, that's crazy.
- [72:47]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't think I was even being a dick. I didn't understand what I thought you meant. No, a real. Yeah, he was a real. Okay. He told us he was. Ah. Okay. It was his middle name. Okay. Blue dudes minds the waspy go. Or I'd say Gold coast guys were like. They were like, that's fucking cool. I didn't even understand it, but I was. I was like, what's going on? They're like, that's dope. That is pretty cool.
- [73:17]
Kyle
Well, like, glad to hear that.
- [73:20]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [73:20]
Kyle
Crown jewel is beautiful.
- [73:22]
Ryan Rosillo
I think this is simple. Which one has the most money? Right?
- [73:28]
Kyle
Sure. Well, I guess. What kind of family do you have? Like, is it something that, like, as a foot race? Out of the question. If you're saying that there's no.
- [73:37]
Ryan Rosillo
There's no straight speed.
- [73:38]
Kyle
There's no, you know, qualifiers. You're like, yeah, the jobs are great. They all walked in late. You know, none of them have, like, a stable relationship. So if it has to be one of them, if there's literally no one else in mind. And you're like, we have to pick one of these three. And you basically are down to looking how they greet this child on Easter Sunday. I mean, what's the difference between a foot race? At least everyone knows that they left it all out on the line. Maybe foot race, it could be something else. But I don't know what kind of family this is. That's something that could be kind of funny. Although. All right, but this is how we're deciding, right? So you leave it all on the line here. I don't know. They're basically saying there was really no difference in their careers and trajectories and stuff like that. So maybe something as innocuous as a foot race would be. Would be good. If they were all into it, why
- [74:22]
Ryan Rosillo
not just a decathlon? These guys have all the time in the world. Yeah, yeah.
- [74:28]
Kyle
Anything could be a Madden Tournament.
- [74:29]
Adam Lefkoe
Whatever.
- [74:29]
Kyle
Whatever. Whatever floats your boat. I'm just wondering if this is the kind of family that they would be like, are you serious? Or they'd be, like, awesome in. Maybe there's one guy that secretly doesn't want this and he's just gonna. He'll tank out of it. You never know. Some people are.
- [74:43]
Ryan Rosillo
I feel like the duties are sort of overstated. They are, they are.
- [74:46]
Kyle
But, you know, think about free car accidents, obviously. Knock on wood and stuff.
- [74:50]
Ryan Rosillo
But, like, that's why.
- [74:51]
Kyle
That's why you do this thing.
- [74:52]
Ryan Rosillo
Right? I don't understand what you just said. Isn't it just.
- [74:58]
Kyle
Just in case something happens to both of you? And it's like if some. If we ever need somebody to. Isn't that part of the deal?
- [75:05]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know if it's binding. I think it would.
- [75:07]
Kyle
Yeah, I think probably wouldn't hold up in court, but if everyone was looking
- [75:10]
Ryan Rosillo
around like, I patted him on the head, I was brother number two. I think the biggest thing that you have to worry about, forget, like, whatever we would come up with here is some sort of contest is, you know, I hate when we kind of reward the person that would be the most upset. Like, oh, this is the person that would be the most emotional and the biggest asshole.
- [75:36]
Kyle
Yeah, he probably needs it the most.
- [75:37]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. So let's reward this person because he'll be way more of a hassle if I don't pick him. The random drawing thing is kind of cool. If you were to use the entrance, the late entrance to Easter. That could lead to some things because you have a few cognacs 12, 15 years from now. And then one brother's Like, I can't believe we picked. And he's like, well, because he patted him on the head and you walked right past him and you've always been that way. And that's why no one will marry you. Anyway, I don't think this matters as much, but I'm not from a religious family. My parents are religious. And then they decided that none of us were going to be so very left out on how this all works.
- [76:29]
Kyle
Yeah, same. I don't really. I don't really know what the process of picking and asking and whatever means in, in that. What is it, Catholic? If they're christened?
- [76:38]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know.
- [76:39]
Kyle
Or is that baptized?
- [76:40]
Ryan Rosillo
Do you think you'll ever get right with God? Man, oh man, I hope so. I hope so. I had a few people try to recruit me over the years.
- [76:54]
Kyle
One of my grandmothers that passed was like super into it and I wasn't baptized. And like towards, towards the end there, I would go over a house, we'd be having a nice little thing. Of course, I'm doing some chores and stuff for her. This is when I was living in la. We're like having a nice lunch, sandwiches. She's like, oh, Kyle, I'm so glad you're here. I'm just, just so sad. You're gonna be damned to hell.
- [77:12]
Ryan Rosillo
And I was like, oh my God.
- [77:14]
Kyle
So some of the olds, really, they're really stressed out about it, so
- [77:19]
Ryan Rosillo
I could understand if I had like a wife and three kids. And then I spent way too many weekends in Scottsdale with some bottle service girl from Mint. And then I, you know, then I'm on the pod going, hey man, it's just time, you know, My relationship with Jesus has never been stronger.
- [77:38]
Kyle
Get saved.
- [77:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. All right, next email please.
- [77:41]
Kyle
Yeah.
- [77:42]
Ryan Rosillo
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- [80:11]
Kyle
Certainly does, pal.
- [80:13]
Ryan Rosillo
And that's why he was putting it at the end. Very important follow up, Kyle.
- [80:17]
Kyle
That's what I thought. I understood this email top to bottom before the follow up saying like you had the plug and just because you invited this guy a number of times he feels like he has even footing with the plug. No, you're the guy actually. But how do you get the tickets? Is what I don't understand.
- [80:33]
Ryan Rosillo
Like are you now get some directly? I think he's getting him from the guy now though.
- [80:37]
Kyle
Oh, so he like cut out this. He cut out the middleman basically. And now. And now the. The intro to the plug is asking for favors.
- [80:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Hmm.
- [80:46]
Kyle
I don't know. I think if he's sending you the tickets, I think it's. I think you have a leg to stand on here. This is muddy though. This is muddy.
- [80:53]
Ryan Rosillo
This is exactly why you write in second sentence. He gave us the look again for an upcoming game. Gave us.
- [81:01]
Kyle
So he texted both of you guys probably right.
- [81:04]
Ryan Rosillo
So Tim, this is always a dicey thing because like when someone has. I had A friend who was one of my closest friends, and then his best friend was, like, the guy you'd want to be best friends with. Pro athlete. Awesome. Just awesome. One of the highest approval ratings of any guy I've ever been around. And I'm, like, young. And so there's a kind of, like. I don't want to call it border patrol, but it's so political right now. But the. The. Your friend kind of becomes border patrol to being friends with the other guy who's awesome, who everybody wants to be friends with because he's kind of, like, screening everybody around. But then it, like, worked just because of how our interest at the time, our schedules, like, it didn't make any sense because the three of us, or in a bigger group would all be hanging out. And then randomly, like, the one time me and the cool guy hung out without the. The middle guy, there was some discussion. It's like, oh, so you guys are just hanging out now? It's like, well, you know, you can't be, like, bugging him. Like, I don't think I'm bugging him. I think he wants to hang out with me. I think we're all fine. And it was like, hey, this is. The cool guy was my friend's friend first. And then there was just. It took a long time. Took a long time to kind of work through some of this stuff.
- [82:26]
Kyle
Right.
- [82:28]
Ryan Rosillo
So your friend Tim thinks he's in charge. Not of a friendship in this case, but he's in charge of the tickets because the tickets are his guy, not your guy. I understand what you're saying, but he's. He just thinks they're his tickets. Like, they're originally the guy's tickets. Now Tim thinks they're the. His. He thinks they're his tickets before they're your tickets. So even though I kind of get your point, am I wrong on this guy? You just sort of like, maybe I'm just talking too much here.
- [83:03]
Kyle
But no, it's muddy, though. That's what I'm saying.
- [83:05]
Ryan Rosillo
It is. It's a tough one.
- [83:06]
Kyle
It's like you guys were the group. Courtside. Chris has given you guys tickets, and you go. And now he's like, Chris. He's like, all right, we've got the. I got the guys.
- [83:14]
Adam Lefkoe
I got the two.
- [83:14]
Kyle
The package guys. I can't make this game. I'd like. I'd like for them to go. And he doesn't care what happens after this. And if it. If it ever gets to this level, you guys might lose. Courtside, Chris As a ticket guy, totally, totally could lose him. So like, he doesn't give a shit who goes where. Right. As long as you don't bring an asshole. The fact that this guy is still like taking ownership over the seats, I could see if you're buddies, you could be like, man, does this guy have to go? Like, you don't have to put your foot down, but you could be like, man, you know, I'd rather. I gotta actually have somebody that'd be perfect for this. If you can't go. Like, if it's your. If your approach is, man, I think I know who. Somebody I'd love to bring who's never been and you know, we're going together, you're not, you're not there for this one. Um, so I guess, I guess this. What is it Tim is. Is saying he's in charge of his own ticket at this moment, and he just thinks that this is the right move. But if I think if you actually tell him not like, oh, this is going to suck. I hate that guy. If you're like, I actually have someone that's perfect for this. Do you mind if, if I bring him? I think that it's. It's all about the approach. Because you're right. Tim definitely feels like there's a hierarchy and he is above you right now, which is why he even. And this is why he thinks he can decide who goes with you.
- [84:20]
Ryan Rosillo
Is he above him? He kind of is.
- [84:23]
Kyle
He is, he is. But it's close. But it's close.
- [84:29]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't think I would do this. I wouldn't say if I would. Of course. No, I don't think I would pull what Tim is pulling here, but I understand why he's pulling it.
- [84:43]
Kyle
Yes, exactly. Exactly.
- [84:45]
Ryan Rosillo
And the problem is, for our emailer, if you were going to cut this one, nip it in the bud, it's probably too late. I mean, the first email was the end of last month. The follow up was a week later.
- [84:57]
Kyle
Yeah, this is probably like tomorrow.
- [85:00]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, right. You should have. The only move you could have said is like, well, hey, I can't go. I mean, did Tim say immediately, hey, I can't go, but you're gonna bring Dave. And you're like, what the fuck? Did you even have a window to go? Oh, hey, I can't go to cause a family thing. And then if our emailer's like, great, I'll bring my wife or hey, I'll bring my brother, like, was that would have been the only way? Because you kind of have to put the other person in the spot where they don't want to do something.
- [85:27]
Kyle
Yeah.
- [85:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Who knows what Tim's capable of? Right? Because then if you had said that in the very, very beginning, but maybe Tim just jumped it so soon. It was like, hey, I've got two more and you're going to go with this guy who's my friend. Yeah. Tim just thinks he's in charge of the tickets because you have no direct relationship to Courtside Chris. So I get your point, but, like, what are you going to do? What's more important? Taking a stand here for one game or having access to all the other games? Right. So get ready to learn new friendship.
- [86:00]
Kyle
I agree, I agree. Especially if Tim already promised to the other guy, there's no way he's going to go back and like, lose face, be like, oh, sorry, actually, I don't have that ticket for you anymore. He's definitely going to be dug in if he's already promised this guy this thing.
- [86:12]
Ryan Rosillo
So. Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't fight it. Even if it's like, wait, I can't. Can I bring someone I know? Right, right. Because Tim, you know, he's not even paying the suite fees or the seat licensing or any of that stuff. He's just like. Like I'm one generation removed to the regional manager. Right. I would. Who knows, maybe this guy in Boston would love to be in your spot right now. Our super fast marathon guy living in Beacon Hill. Right. So who knows? Who knows what could happen? Business deal. Sky's the limit.
- [87:04]
Kyle
Yeah, you're. You'll enjoy the game. Just, you know, either way, you will.
- [87:07]
Ryan Rosillo
It's fine. And if he sucks, put together the worst mix ever. Have it preloaded. Like, do you mind if we just kind of lay out jam bands all the way up?
- [87:25]
Kyle
Oh, yeah. It's an hour away too.
- [87:27]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm more into Mo's non studio stuff.
- [87:31]
Kyle
It's over my head, but it sounds like it's awful.
- [87:36]
Ryan Rosillo
One of my friends brought another friend to a MO concert and he was texting everyone going, there's no way this is real. This is a joke, right? The whole thing is that they fuck with everyone in the audience. It's like, nope, Wait, is it an
- [87:51]
Kyle
English R and B pop girl group or is that a different spelling of mo?
- [87:55]
Ryan Rosillo
M O E, Moe? Different. Moe. Different Mo. Very different.
- [87:59]
Kyle
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [88:00]
Ryan Rosillo
This looks like a little bit more
- [88:02]
Kyle
like something your buddy would go to.
- [88:03]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, got it. All right, that'll do it for the show. Thanks to Ceruti. For even giving us any kind of effort today with everything he was facing. Tom, Kevin, and of course, our guy Kyle. Yeah, that'll do for the show. Please subscribe. Ryan, Priscilla, show bars, dual sports. Sat.