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Giannis Trade Frustrations & Deadline Reaction w/ Chris Mannix, Plus Julian Edelman and Bo Jackson
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Ryan Rosillo
Hey Rosilla listeners. You can find every episode on Apple Podcasts and Spotify prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. Out on the course, they're the PGA tourist best players, but in the arena, they're prime time. And season two of TGL, presented by.
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Julian Edelman
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Ryan Rosillo
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Bo Jackson
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Ryan Rosillo
Keep up. It's golf. Tune in to every match only on espn. The Ryan Rosillo show is presented by DraftKings. NBA trade deadline is over. Chris Mannix and I break down everything you need to know, including why the Giannis deal did not happen. We're going to do about an hour on the trade deadline, so literally every trade in there that matters will cover it and some others that didn't happen. Julian Edelman, all time great with the Pats. He'll break this game down. What he thinks is the most important thing. He's probably going to pick the Pats as well. We have our picks for you during the alliance and life advice. So one more pod to go Live from San Francisco. DraftKings Sportsbook, the number one sportsbook for live betting, is making every snap, every drive, every moment of Super Bowl 60 count with DraftKings Live Millions featuring over $5 million in prizes just for betting live. Here's how simple it is. Head to the DraftKings sportsbook app, opt in and receive a promo token. Place a live bet of $1 or more on the super bowl and you're automatically entered. That's it. And every live bet means another chance to win. Place a live bet and stack your entries this Super Bowl 60. Once the game wraps up, we'll randomly select our prize winners. There'll be more than 100,000 winners. Will you be one of the top prize winners? So jump in, bet live and let the entries roll for a share of over $5 million in prizes. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app. Use the code RYAN. That's code RYAN. R, Y, E, N. Bet live for your share of 5 million in prizes with the code in partnership with DraftKings. The crown is yours. Gambling problem. Call 1-800-GAMBLER NEW YORK. Call 877-8-HOPE and WHY or text HOPE and WHY CONNECTICUT. Call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org on behalf of Boothill Casino in Kansas. Wager tax pass through May and over in most states. Void in Ontario. Restrictions apply. No purchase necessary. Opt in required minimum odds minus 500 prizes either bonus bets or single use. 20% profit boost max bet $20 that expires in 30 days. See official rules@sportsbook draftkings.com promos for entry period and free method of entry. Sponsored by Crown Gaming, Inc. The 2026 NBA Trade Deadline is behind us now for a couple hours and we are going to break it all down here on the show with Chris Mannix, Sisi.com and of course, this segment is sponsored by Microsoft. Let's start with a deal that didn't happen. Giannis is still a buck. It's been a little spicy here the last hour or so as Giannis then tweeted out DiCaprio and the meme of I'm not leaving, essentially. And then the caption that Giannis put on it was, legends don't chase, they attract. Then Milwaukee's team site started fucking with Shams, essentially saying, we don't know if he's a good fit in the celebrity game. I'll just say this as my headline. Like, we didn't all get together in the media and decide that, hey, you want to just make up a ton of shit about Giannis wanting out. His agent was shopping him during the combine. He wanted to go to New York too late in the off season. He then demanded, with one writer, where it was like, yeah, I kind of want this to happen. Shams had the story not that long ago, just last week, where it's like, hey, get to work on this. Which is clearly leaked from his side. Then he did another thing on the phone 24 hours ago was like, I don't want to leave. So we're in this semantics battle. And by the way, we're all going to do this again this summer. I guess I would just say like, fuck off to everybody. Sorry to be so harsh. Your thoughts?
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Chris Mannix
I wonder, do you think that Giannis had two movie references ready to go? One Wolf of Wall Street, I'm still around and another, and I can't think of the top of my head, which is like, goodbye, my love, you know, farewell. If he had happened to be traded. Like, do you think because maybe the.
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Ryan Rosillo
End of the breakup where Vince Vaughn is looking at Aniston and they go their separate ways, which was a great ending, you know, good reference. Who knows what was going to happen with those two?
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Chris Mannix
Look, this Giannis to me throughout this process has been trying to have his cake and eat it, too. Now, he's not the first. He's not the first player to. To want this right? Like, he wants what he wants. He wants to compete for championships in a city. He desires for the final stages of his career, but he doesn't want to do it with the city of Milwaukee, the fans, the organization, feeling like he abandoned them or betrayed them. So he's been do like this. This recent round of interviews with the Journal Sentinel and with the Athletic, with the two beat writers. Like, he was. I mean, he was almost trying too hard to push his version of events, basically saying, like, if you can tell me in that Athletic story, if you can tell me that we're a championship team next season, let's hang up the phone right now. This conversation is over. I am all in on the Bucks. He knows the situation. He knows what the Bucks have tried over the last six months. It hasn't worked. So he wants to get his. Into his next situation, but he wants to do it without pissing off everyone that supported him all those years.
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Ryan Rosillo
I totally understand that. And there's just as a reminder, anybody listening to this, I. When you think about, like, players or even people, like, yeah, there may be something you don't like about a player or something they do, but the 90 plus percent of all the other stuff, like, sign me up. I love this guy. I think he's incredibly thoughtful. I think he's a guy no matter what the situation. When he laces him up and takes the court, he wants to kill the opponent. I mean, his aggressiveness in the most meaningless games is, is incredible. It's something every player like. I wish more players treated the game like this, but, you know, it's a little Garnett ish, where, you know, you go back to 2008 and it was, well, 2007 off season, you know, he, he had been dealing with the same thing for years. He didn't really want to go out. Remember, he wanted Phoenix. Then Boston's like, we'll give you an extension. It's like, all right, cool. Now, now I'm good with this. And I, I, that's, that's the thing. Like, for Garnett, it came full circle. He goes to a more popular franchise in Boston, and then he wins a title immediately winning, curing the PR part of that. But this just always feels like such a waste of time. It just feels like a waste of time. Like, Bucks fans are always going to appreciate you years later because of what you meant to them. You brought them a ring, you brought them a title. And trying to thread this needle of I still want everyone to like me while I'm going to want out. So on the, on the transaction that didn't happen, you knew kind of once the warriors did something early or like, okay, they're out of this. I'm wondering if maybe Horse never wants to trade him. I don't know about that. I mean, I'm sure he'd rather keep him and try to build around him, but they're sort of stuck. I don't know how many years Giannis would have left. But then there's the extension part of this whole thing. And I mean, years left in Milwaukee because I'd still expect him to be a really good player. I wonder if Horst in the front office are like, let's pretend we're trying really hard to appease him or his reps and then we won't do this and we'll just hold the thing up. Or it might just be as simple as they like the Miami offer the best and realize the Miami offer is going to be even better on draft night and they just go to the Heat and go like, hey, look, now that you can give us your pick in 26 and now an extra pick that's now eligible to be traded in in 33, we're just going to wait for that anyway because it sure we could have said yes in February, but we know we're going to get that deal in June.
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Chris Mannix
I think the Bucs approached these talks in good faith. I think if they got the package that they were seeking, or rather the type of package that they were seeking, which is a combination of young players and quality draft picks, they would have pulled the trigger. The reality is that none of the teams out there that were in this mix could put that package together in the last 24, 48 hours. Like golden State, I feel like has been out for a few days now written that have said that they could not get young pieces that appealed to the Bucks. The Bucs did not think much of Bajemski. They did not think much of Kaminga. The draft picks certainly appealing four first round draft picks, swaps that was. It was a good package of picks that the Bucs were interested in, but the player package just wasn't there. Minnesota, the player package could have been there. The Bucs really like Jaden McDaniels. They think he's a future all star, 25 years old, two way player, having a terrific season this year. The Timberwolves over the last two Days were telling a bunch of teams like, look at our roster. Who will you give us a first round pick or picks for Julius Randle, Nas Reed, anybody on that roster not named Anthony Edwards, I think was in play for Minnesota to get back the kind of draft capital that the Bucks needed or Bucks wanted to to get a deal done. Miami, young pieces, okay. I think Milwaukee would have taken Tyler Herro and been all right with that, but the Heat didn't have a draft compensation package. They've been trying over the last 24 hours to put together that type of deal. I had heard the Lakers were in the mix, willing to absorb Andrew Wiggins as part of of a Heat package. They ultimately couldn't get it done. And Milwaukee to their credit, stuck by their guns and said, look, here's what we want. If we can't get this, we're kicking the can down the road because we believe your offers are going to be there in June and other teams offers are going to be there or be better come June. So that, that was their approach and I think that's exactly how this played out.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. And I don't blame Milwaukee necessarily like for doing that and going, why do we need to give in on some of this? Because you're right. Like it felt like every team that had the draft capital didn't have the players and every team that had the players, you're like, okay, but where are all the extra draft picks? I would disagree with Milwaukee thinking J.D. mcDaniels will be an All Star. Unless you're just going to say, hey, we're running the Isaiah Thomas, Brad Stevens offense and you're going to have the ball at the top of the key pick and roll.
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Chris Mannix
They liked it. All I can say is they liked him.
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Ryan Rosillo
I like him. I like him too. All Star, whatever. Doesn't matter. So, okay, so this is where we're at right now. Let's talk about some of the deals that did happen. Maybe you can share whatever you can share on. Some other things were close because I always do enjoy that part of it. Your thoughts on Cleveland deciding at least today. And boy, the numbers people, the advanced analytics, all the stuff out there, they love this deal because of what Harden's profile is. But yeah, I can see it popping in the regular season and he is playing versus the uncertainty of Garland's health and availability. But there's far more at stake here for a Cleveland team that's the most expensive team in the league this year.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah, Garland's health was paramount in all this. I mean, Garland was a 75 game player last year, All Star. And you can certainly make the case that his injury issues in the playoffs are why the Cavs bowed out. If he had been healthy as he was during the regular season, in the playoffs, maybe things go a little bit differently. But he missed the first six games coming off the surgery. He's been out since mid June or mid January with another injury, different foot, but another injury. And there was real concern in that Cavs front office about his availability for the playoffs. And we know the importance of this year in Cleveland. They've got to make a deep playoff run to have any hope of getting Donovan Mitchell to sign that extension. So I'm not convinced that the Cavs love James Harden. They just look at James Harden as being a more reliable player in terms of availability, you know, come playoff time for this team. Now with Harden beyond the fit and, you know, does he dribble the ball too much opposite Donovan Mitchell, who likes the ball in his hands, One thing Cleveland's going to have to do is that they're going to have to reign Harden's minutes in and rain Harden's games in. Like right now, he's been a workhorse for the Clippers this season. He's averaging more minutes per game with the Clippers this season than he has in any of their three seasons. And we know that when he overdoes it, he tends to flame out. In the playoffs, the gas tank goes to empty. So Cleveland's, you know, role and Kenny Atkinson's role right away is going to be trying to get him down to like sub 30 minutes per game. Sit him out in back to backs and see if you can get him fresh and 100% come the postseason. But they know, or at least they believe he's going to be there. He's going to be available to them when the playoffs start. History suggests the Harden's durability is not an issue. The availability of Darius Garland was paramount in these talks. They didn't believe that he was going to be 100% or they think there was a chance he wasn't going to be 100% come playoff time. And they couldn't take that risk with such an important postseason.
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Ryan Rosillo
The Clipper side of this, I mean, how much did their plans change in a week?
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Chris Mannix
Pretty significantly. I mean, I know Harden did that interview where he said, I never asked to be traded. Okay. Okay. I mean, like, maybe it didn't come down to you have to trade me, but we know how this story goes with James Harden. We were there in Brooklyn. When he sleepwalked through his last game on that road trip against Sacramento, we were there.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's one of my favorite games. I watch clips of it every now and then just to remind me of what is possible.
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Chris Mannix
That is an epic, like, get me out of town game.
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Ryan Rosillo
I texted, I texted. Somebody on the staff was like, are you okay?
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Chris Mannix
That was bad. I mean, Philadelphia, the guy goes to China, says, Daryl Morey's a liar. I'll never play for him ever again. We know how this story ends.
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Ryan Rosillo
A bunch of Chinese kids still don't know what that means. They don't know.
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Chris Mannix
But we know how this ends, Ryan. We know what, what he's capable of when he's not happy. And he wasn't happy not getting at the very least that second year of this contract fully guaranteed. So knowing that the Clippers had to pivot, even though they were 17 and four in the last 21 games with Harden, they knew that this was not going to end well for them this season, so they had to pivot. Look, Garland is a flawed star. Of course he is, sure. But getting a 26 year old all star who's under contract for multiple years to the Clippers, that felt like the best case scenario if they were going to have to go this direction. Getting this guy who can maybe get healthy, be the guy he was last year, give them the same push going to the playoffs, but at the very least, he's going to be around for a couple of years after that and he can be part of what they're trying to do in this rebuild.
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Ryan Rosillo
Do you think Harden has an understanding with Cleveland about a two year extension?
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Chris Mannix
Two year extension? No. Does he have an understanding that at the very least his next year is going to be fully guaranteed? That I believe.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, so the hardened part then changes everything for the Clippers. I'm totally with you. Like, I will, I'll agree with the Garland flaws, but if you're telling me like this is your, this is your compensation for the Harden situation. And I would expect, like, unless Garland's toes are just never going to work the rest of his career, but it's, it's a 26 year old, you know, as you say All Star, I think of him as like, yeah, that guy could make a couple more all star teams. He's, he's made multiple, you know, it depends on the depth of the guard position in the west and all that kind of stuff. So I look at it as like, and again, the, the health part of, it's a big if because it's both toes after this. But I, I think, you know, it's one of those trades where if you had proposed that at different times the last 24 months be like, what are you nuts? Like, there's no way you would get Garland for Harden. So that turns into Zubots being out. Great deal for the Pacers when you think about cost and this kind of odd gap year for them, which also aligns with them potentially landing with a number one pick. And the protections on this pick, Chris, are very creative. It's not the first time this has ever happened in NBA history, but just a reminder here. So it's Matherin who I still kind of like Isaiah Jackson. Maybe a role player might have to with the Clippers here. 29 unprotected, but the 26 pick is top four protected then protected 10 through 30. So if it lands five through nine, that means the Clippers get the pick. If it ends up protected, they get a 31st unprotected from the Pacers here. I'm surprised that this pick is even in play with the depth of this draft class that they'd even allow. Like, hey, if it lands at five, you get the number five overall. Because the Clippers are losing their pick to okc, which is another part of this whole thing. I'm pretty amazed. Even as much as I think we all like Zoo that that was even a possibility for this Clippers front office. So I think that's kind of a sneaky win. It may not pay out.
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Chris Mannix
It's a roll of the dice for the Pacers front office. It's a roll of the dice that you're going to be so bad this season that your odds are the best they can possibly be to get one of those top four picks. I'll tell you as an aside, I'm usually in that drawing room because I find it fascinating. It's one of the few things that cameras are not allowed in for the drawing room in this 26 draft lottery is going to be electric given the number of teams that are represented in that room. The variance on what can happen like Oklahoma City could wind up with like two, you know, lottery picks if the ping pong balls, you know, go their particular way. Look, you got to give something to get something and Zubac is the real deal. Like Zubac is just the kind of defensive anchor that they're going to need to give themselves a chance to win next season. They are not a team that's on a five to ten year timeline. You know, Tyrese Halliburton is still in his prime. Pascal Siakam probably on the back end of his prime. They've got a couple of years here where if Halliburton comes back and comes back fully healthy, they've got a great shot to win the east next year with Zubach. So if it comes out as the sixth overall pick, that's going to sting, no doubt about it. But I think it's a risk worth taking given that Zubac is an elite defensive big man under contract for multiple more years with Siakam, with Halliburton, with some of the guys from that 20, 24 team or 25 team that's already there. I think it's a risk worth taking for Indiana.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. And the beauty of it all is you think, oh my God, we lost Miles Turner. Perfect stretch five for us. Even though Miles Turner was available, it felt like for years. And then they have this run and it's like, Miles Turner, Miles Turner. And you're like, all right, stretch five. It's perfect for any team that wants to be able to open it up. I mean, this league. We'll get to the Persingus thing here in a second. But there's a reason why other teams still like trade for the idea of Kristaps Porzingis. Because you're thinking, all right, elite rim protection and he can open up all of this stuff for our ball handers because he's a threat from 30ft away from the hoop zoo. Isn't that in the way that that Turner was in theory, but the defensive numbers that he can give you a little look, that he's going to destroy guys on screens, that he's a really, really active teammate. The, the price was going to be high, but I'm still shocked that there's. There's a chance this doesn't work out with this draft class. If that lands between five or nine. Let's talk Utah because there's a tanking thing here that's bigger. So I'll do it after the Utah part of it. Austin Age and Xanac are running the show even though Danny, you know, has the title. I think everybody understands that. But this reeks of live from the golf course. This freaks though of the. The ange lesson of you dopes and the cap space fascination. Let me know who I can trade for right now. And they bring in Jaren Jackson Jr. Who statistically you can make the argument against it. Here's my thought. He's 26. He played in this weird system that the players absolutely hate because it disrupts flow. Granted, he's an odd minute guy because he's under 30 minutes per game, I think, this year. And that's kind of what he's always been around his career because he's always in foul trouble with all the stupid stuff. But I would bet on him the way the Jazz did is exp. Look, it gets absurdly expensive. Four years, $205 million contract that kicks in next year. So again, he's not perfect. But if you're Utah, who's not going to land anybody with your cap space, the control and what's going out and the other part of it's like, yeah, you can have some of these other guys like we're good with. Makes a lot of sense. Where it's always a challenge for a franchise that I would love to see turnaround because I think it's actually a sneaky, great NBA city.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah. You know, Utah, my understanding was like, in the off season, Austin Reeves was going to be a big target for them. Like they were going to go to the mat to try to get Austin Reaves. I don't think that would have worked. I think the Lakers would have found a way to keep him, whether it's even before free agency or matching whatever offers that came to the table from Utah. This. This is what they had to do. I'll say this. I like. I don't love this trade. I like it for the reasons you articulated there. Like getting a guy under contract for four more years. That's a huge get. Getting a guy that I think offensively is a great match with Lowry, Markkanen is. Is a good get. The reason I don't love it is because in some ways it feels like it set the Jazz up on a 2 timeline kind of thing. And it also sets them up to maybe having a ceiling for what this team can be now. I don't know what's going to happen with the draft. Maybe they get number one overall. Debance that comes in, Peterson comes in, Cam Boozer comes in and changes that whole calculus. But right now, I'm looking at Markkanen and Jackson making about $95 million next year. I'm looking at Walker Kessler getting a huge deal this off season. Somebody's going to go out there and pay for Walker Kessler. Somebody's going to make the Jazz pay to the teeth to resign him. So 20, 25, $30 million, I don't know what it's going to be, but there's going to be a big number attached to Walker Kessler. Keonte George extension eligible. Big number coming his way as well. I know that's spaced out a little bit. You're not gonna have to pay him for another year. But I'm looking at this team getting really expensive really fast with a roster that doesn't quite make sense to me. Like, I'm not, I'm not here for the Lowry marketing back at small forward argument. I'm not here for that like that. It worked for a beat in Cleveland, but he has blossomed in Utah as a power forward. He's a seven footer. Maybe you can play him spot minutes at small forward, but that guy's got to be playing the power forward spot for extended minutes. Him and Jaren Jackson can block some shots great offensively, can't rebound a lick. Like, I just, I wonder how this is all going to work with the cost of some of these guys, the fit of these guys in the front court. I like to, I would still do it if I was the, I was the Anges, I was Justin Zanuck. I would still do it. But I don't look at this as an A deal because I think there still has some real questions how everybody's going to fit.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, there's some ball stopping issues, no doubt. The Keante extension kicking in and then you go, okay, did we get really expensive is what projects is like a six seed, you know, and. Exactly. But when you're in the lottery a bunch of years in a row. Although I would say with their ownership of Ryan Smith, like I spent a couple days out there last week and the alignment of this group from ownership to the coach is something every other team in the league should aspire to. It's, it's unbelievable. Or maybe I was just super impression. Yeah, right. I could be super impressionable for 48 hours. But like, look, I've known a lot of those guys for a long time. Not the owner, but it just feels like, hey, we know how hard this is going to be and if you think of who's available and I'm with you on all the Jaren Jackson stuff, like it's not perfect. I wish he rebounded more. I wish he didn't commit stupid fouls. I Wish he was 38 million and not 50 plus million on the back end of this stuff. But I think he's a hell of a matchup nightmare when he gets the ball in his hands. Like I've seen him do stuff against other guys where if you go small, he's going to overpower you and if you go Big. He's just going to go around you. And I think getting him away from Memphis. I don't care what the advanced numbers are for Jaren Jackson this year because it was a mess of a season and you could just see like, he's under 15 field goal attempts per game. There's no way. There's no. If your system has him under 15 shot attempts per game, then something's wrong. So, yeah, I think it's, it's one of those deals where you go, can we. We know the flaws, we know the concern, we know the cost, but are we actually going to, like, in the next three years have a better chance of getting a player that's kind of whatever this level is, depending on what you think of Jaren Jackson? All right.
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Chris Mannix
And just, just like. And I, I think I was talking to Will Hardy about this early in the season. It was mostly about the trade aspect of Lowry marketing. We were talking about how he can fit in anywhere, any system, any style. Like, I don't think Marketen is going to have any trouble offensively fitting in to whatever Jaren Jackson wants to do. He's going to become a great complement to him almost immediately. My question is going to be on the defensive end. Like, how, how many minutes can you really play? Walker Kessler, Jaren Jackson Jr. And Lowry Markkanen together. I think the small forward thing for Markkanen is, is not, not feasible over an entire season. No.
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Ryan Rosillo
And I'll admit too, like, being up close and watching it live, like, there's always just nice reminders when you go to games how hard it is if you're the focal point of what the defense is trying to stop in a basketball game when they decide to, like, close out on you and destroy you off the ball. Like, they would run this stuff and he'd be out there because there was a full lineup both nights. It might have been the first game I was at with against the Clippers. And it's like Lowry's standing there, back to the basket, two dudes on him, 30ft away from the hoop, seven seconds left on the shot clock. And it's like, hey, can you get us a clean look? And you're watching it going, this is, this is so hard. It's so hard when you get stuck out there without another creator. Again, Keante, I don't think played in that first game that I was there.
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Chris Mannix
Well, I wonder too, about Keonte. One thing about Keante is like, is he part of what they're going to do long term? Like, he is they have developed him incredibly. Like, they've worked hard to get him to this point. But if they're in a position on draft night to draft a point guard, does that make Keonte George available? So you take that, take an expensive player out of play. I think that'd be a great market for Keonte George if he's available to. To kind of build this thing out better financially. If they have an opportunity to draft one of the top playmakers in this draft, and there's a couple of them, but if they've got a chance to do that, does that make Keonte George more valuable as a trade asset than as part of what they're doing next season?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Or maybe it's Lowry, we're back to that. But the price is always really high for him. I do think there's another thing to add in here. If they were lucky enough to land the number one pick in the lottery and knowing the connection to BYU with everyone that's there, and DebonSA Peterson, if there's one family that is also Mormon, that would be like, we don't care. We'll take the guy from Kansas. It would be the Ainge family that would make the bat. But again, yeah, but that also depends on Peterson. Whatever hell is going on with these. These leg issues that have gone all the way back to some of his high school stuff. But that showdown, again, it's one game. But watching AJ Against Peterson in that game when BYU was at Kansas last weekend, and you're watching, especially, of course, the first half because of Peterson, and you can't help but watch that game. Like, what are we debating here again? Do we dare touch on trying to figure out what Chicago did?
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Chris Mannix
I can't quite figure it out.
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Bo Jackson
I.
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Chris Mannix
Some of the. Like, I kept waiting for the other shoe, right? Like. Like, there's got to be one more. There's got to be one more. And look, the. They. They created some flexibility there sure ended the Vucevich experiments. Simon's coming off the books next year at a bigger number. But beyond that, I. I don't. I don't know. I. I don't know. I thought they sold low on. Do I. I don't know. I. I didn't walk away from those deals, that flurry of deals that they made thinking that there's a master plan in place for.
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Ryan Rosillo
For why they did it. I'll admit there's a collection of guys, Guys I like and wonder if I'm just like, hey, you're gonna be wrong. You know, just like anybody's wrong about these guys. So I like buying low on Ivy, all right. And I thought eventually Ivy would take those Dennis Jenkins minutes away to close with Detroit. But Dennis is still ahead of him in the rotation for Detroit. Ron Holland's ahead of him and Asar is going to be ahead of him because of the defensive part of it. But I felt like his Ivy was slowly coming back because I look at the start of his career and go, okay, you're a rookie. Fine. Then there's this nice little stretch. Monty Williams has no idea who you are. Admits I didn't know he was this good. Then you start playing, then you get hurt, you're gone basically the whole season and then they're good and then you're coming back and trying to find your way to fit in. And he's somebody before the draft like, hey, I wasn't the only one who liked him. He ends up going fifth overall because of the talent, the size and some of the playmaking stuff and just the on the ball things. So I like Chicago going, hey, let's, let's buy low on him because the ultimate price like it there just wasn't much to it. I was wondering if they were devious enough to be like and then we're going to keep grabbing guards, although you could say Ivy could play maybe even small forward if you wanted to. But we're going to keep grabbing guards. Ivy's not going to put up any numbers and then we'll be able to sign him as a restrictive reagent to a really low number and then we're going to give them the ball on top of everything else because Simons is expiring, as you mentioned, Sexton's expiring. Well Nick Richards who they got involved in that after they flipped Usman Jang, another guy I kind of like still. I think Zach Collins is he still. I think he's unrestricted free agent. I can't believe that Kobe White goes for Sexton and some second rounders here. I love that for Charlotte. So yeah, Chicago, none of us can quite figure it out, but that's like a plug and play guy who could start for you if you're Charlotte if you wanted to do it. Which I know would become now a.
- [30:32]
Chris Mannix
Lamelo conversation I think with with Ivy. The contract looms large. Detroit, I don't think they were enthusiastic about paying him anything this summer. I like. I don't think they, they didn't want to do it.
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Ryan Rosillo
So probably because of Ron Holland development at least.
- [30:50]
Chris Mannix
Yeah, like what? It's the same Sort of thing with Chicago. Like, all right, he's going to hit free and see what are you going to pay him? What's he worth this offseason?
- [30:56]
Ryan Rosillo
No idea.
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Chris Mannix
Like, what are you.
- [30:57]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, this is.
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Chris Mannix
This is the thing. Like, what are you going to be willing. How deep are you willing to go to bring back Jaden Ivey, who is kind of one of those good but not great players who is not lived up to, you know, the expectation, some of the things he's flirted with at times, the way he's played a little bit at times. So I. I think that's the conundrum Chicago is going to face. I think, look, he's. I get it. If he had one more year left in his contract, maybe I'd be more excited about it. But now you're entering free agency and you have to pay him, and if you pay him too much, then all of a sudden it kind of screws up the rest of what you're trying to do.
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Ryan Rosillo
What do you think about Kobe White with the Hornets?
- [31:32]
Chris Mannix
It was an interesting move because I agree with what you're saying. You can plug and play him in to that starting lineup. You can create some interesting lineups with him in that backcourt. You know, with Lamelo, you're all of a sudden that much more dynamic offensively. There's been a lot of deals, and we can get into some of them where some of these things came together because the team that acquired the player you didn't think was going to be available for that cheap was available for that cheap. Now, some of these teams kind of woke up, you know, Tuesday morning not believing they were going to get maybe a Kobe White. I think Anthony Davis is another example of that. And all of a sudden found that the price was so low that you had to take a flyer. You had to go out there and try it and. And make this.
- [32:16]
Julian Edelman
This deal.
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Chris Mannix
That might be some of it. Because the price for Kobe White was not particularly high.
- [32:23]
Ryan Rosillo
No, I mean, I was. I was honestly shocked, you know, and Sexton was kind of out of favor with Charlotte, depending on the night that you watch, because Lamelo's been better. You know, Lamelo's kind of back to the guy that we got excited about. Although I couldn't help but wonder if there's, like, a weird Lamelo night where he's 2:12. If Charles Lee would go, hey, let's see what Kobe looks like closing with this group. I mean, the thought cross crossed my mind, and everybody would say that because, like, not necessarily the biggest Lamelo fan. But he's been. He's been back to what we get excited about with better players around him too, which I think is a super important part of his game. It's like, maybe he will defer more now that he respects the scoring ability of the guys around him a little. But Sexton was behind Sion, depending on the defensive matchup. So when you start pricing out some of these transactions, and that's probably a perfect segue into the AD part of it. This was supposed to be a really slow deadline and we get a ton of action again, which is maybe another reminder when we do this in 27, be like, oh, it seems really, really slow, which everybody was saying around the league for a couple weeks. And then it, it picked up. And maybe it was because everything felt like it was on discount. Give me your overall Wizards take, which, you know, you may not have been asked yet this season.
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Chris Mannix
Free player. That's what that was.
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Ryan Rosillo
On two, right? On two. Trans.
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Chris Mannix
Well, two transactions. Yeah, I would say it's even freer with the AD trade. Like, even if you gave up Corey Kispert, who could shoot the ball a.
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Ryan Rosillo
Little bit for training, CJ's still good too, you know.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah, CJ's still maybe too good for them at the time. I think he was playing too well for them in that moment. Look, I, I don't believe I like, it's what like I said Tuesday morning, I don't think the Wizards front office was like, you know what? We should get Anthony Davis. I think in the course of regular conversations with teams, including Dallas, this just came up. And the Wizards made it clear what their parameters were. And the Mavericks just said yes. And the Mavericks just wanted to get this ad thing over with, that they just wanted to end this, that they said, you know what? Two first round picks sounds good to me. Multiple second round picks. You can dress it up as where they get four or five total picks. You can dress it up like something nice, even though we all know it's not. It's two mediocre first round picks, one that has ridiculous protections from Golden State, another one that's probably not going to be very good either. This was a free player for the Washington Wizards. I don't believe they're going to give him a contract extension. And I think what, what their goal is like, I don't think they're looking at this team now saying, we got Trae Young, we got Anthony Davis, we're going to compete next season. I think what they're doing, which is smart Is that they're saying, we got Trae Young, we got Anthony Davis. Now we can get Alex Sar. Bilal, whoever we get with this next pick. Playing meaningful games. Like, for the last three seasons, these guys have been playing in pointless games, bad losses. You know this. You can't, you can't keep doing that if you're a team and expect these young guys to develop the way you need them to. Now you get Davis, you get Trey. If you squint, you can kind of see a top four team in the Eastern Conference. If everybody's healthy, you could see maybe a top four team in the Eastern Conference. Either way, you're in the playoffs next year. You're getting these young players, meaningful minutes. And then in like 20, 27, 20, 28, maybe you're ready to take off. Like, it's not good for AD who I've, I've been told, not loving this.
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Ryan Rosillo
Not loving it, by the way. I mean, I'll just back you up. You are more plugged in than I am. But that was one specific thing that I heard. It was like, odd that he got traded, team that they weren't exploring contract extensions for. So I don't, I don't know if Rich Paul is going to have something spicy to say here, but this was not the plan.
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Chris Mannix
Can do what you want, though. I don't think the Wizards are going to blink.
- [36:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, sure, yeah.
- [36:03]
Chris Mannix
Like, if AD Wants to build up his value, you stay healthy, stay on the floor, play well. Look, I understand he's not competing for championships in Washington and he is in the final stage of his career, but I'm telling you, I don't see an extension coming from the Wiz. I think with Trey Young, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe there's an extension coming for him this summer. I think a lot of that depends on the draft. If they wind up in a position to draft a point guard, maybe not an extension coming for Trae Young, but I think they're open to that. With Trey Young. I don't think they're open to that with Anthony Davis. I think with Davis, it's, we got him. We'll play them, we'll try to win some games. If it works out for the both of us, maybe we do a deal down the line. But as far as now, this summer, I don't see that one coming for A.D.
- [36:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Another part of this is still some stuff that I want to get to with the deadline, but the tanking might get outrageous here. Like this could be all time stuff. And I think in the years we've we've had. It's easy to forget, but there were some years where I think it was much worse than it's been collectively. I don't know how many years what the cutoff is, but it feels like the last five or six years is better than some of those years where you would start the season. You're like a third of the league doesn't want anything to do with these next 82 games. Like this is, this is bad and I think there have been improvements. It also can become a little cyclical of like how many teams do you have that are now out of patience and rebuilding? You know, that might be to the Utah point. It clearly seems to be part of the Wizards math on some of this stuff. But if you look at the teams record wise right now, so not a lottery result but just the projected standings. Sacramento. It'll get ugly. New Orleans oddly can't tank as we know their pick Ozu, Atlanta. The Pacers are now even more incentivized to make sure they have the best odds. Atlanta the top four. Brooklyn. Washington to keep their pick. Utah to keep their pick because it's top eight protected, which could be oddly hard. You've got Memphis now, who should be a little bit easier then you. The Milwaukee stuff too. Remember the threat of like well if Giannis isn't traded he's going to want to play and then maybe that messes up your lottery stuff again. The media didn't make that part of it up. If you're in Milwaukee, you might just go to Giannis and be like, hey, this is the only pick that it's going to matter if you are going to be here past the summer, which he probably isn't going to be. Or if you're Giannis, it's probably better for you to play as little as you possibly can, to be healthy, to see wherever you are to get that extension coming up after the summer. So there's all these different things at play. It is, it is wild to think about how many teams here can get really aggressive with the second half of the season.
- [38:43]
Chris Mannix
I think it is going to be a historically ugly second half of the season and I don't know what the NBA can do about it because the NBA has the ability to find teams for tacking. But I don't see owners in Washington, in Utah, in Milwaukee if that's the direction that they go in Indiana blinking at those fines like there's no amount of money that can make the Wizards play Trey Young and Anthony Davis for extended games. There's no amount of money that can make the Jazz run Jackson out there for large chunks of the season with Markkanen. Not going to happen. Indiana, to your point, no shot that we see Zubacz play extended games for that team. They the stakes are just way too high. This is believed to be the deepest draft in recent history. Three or four guys that could be franchise changing talents. I don't care if it's a billion dollars, which the NBA can't do, but I don't care. I think there's an amount of money that would make teams deviate from the plans that they have. Trae Young is already out till after the All Star break. That quad injury I bet going to be problematic ad it's not hard to lingering him out, not going to hard to keep him out of the lineup. And same thing with Giannis. Like I actually don't even mind the Bucs putting the pick aside. Like you got a player that has had two calf injuries this season, four calf injuries in the last two years. You're playing for nothing when he's eligible or he's healthy enough to play in mid to late February. Why would you bring him back regardless of that position? But as you said, this pick matters. If you can get a top pick in this draft that's going to improve your team short and long term. I think it's going to be one of the bigger challenges that the NBA faces because short of them docking draft picks, which they're not going to do, there's not a dollar figure that's going to stop these teams from doing what.
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Ryan Rosillo
They'Re going to do. And NBA fans, I feel your pain. As somebody who spent over $4,000 on six warriors tickets to bring the crew to watch Embiid and Steph not play, at least we get to see VJ Edgecomb up close. You know, look, there was a little reminder there. I'm up in the ticket game, as I imagine you probably are throughout your career. So I can't bitch about it too much if I don't see any way I go into the red in the ticket game. Very lucky to have this job. But when you do run that credit card and you're like, damn, people do this all the time. And then you're like, oh great, Steph isn't playing and Embiid isn't playing again, I can't wait. Let's go. G. Santos. Isoball, let's go. Open it up. OKC Speaking of McCain, because I saw him running around out there, I'm telling you the list of guys that I sort of sneaky like that got got flipped around. I think Everybody like liking McCain isn't sneaky. It's been a health thing. It's been unfortunate. He was terrific last year when he played for him. Still kind of shocking. They couldn't find some kind of minutes for him. But there's a Grimes part of this and Vijay just comes onto the scene and then obviously Maxi playing at all star level, it just feels like One of those OKC things where you go, okay, this unprotected 26 is going to be nothing on this kind of trade. Let's take a flyer on a guy who looked like the steel of the draft last year. So I don't even know if it's. I want your thoughts. I'm just curious if any teams reached out to you going, I guess it was available to a bunch of different people, but it just feels like it stings even more when Presti ends up with him.
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Chris Mannix
I got two texts within an hour of that deal being announced that were the equivalent of what the. Like that. Like Jared McCain, that's about right before he got, before he got injured last year was the front runner for rookie of the year. I know it was only 20 some odd games, but he was right there.
- [42:27]
Ryan Rosillo
He was terrific.
- [42:29]
Chris Mannix
Unbelievable. Now he hasn't had the same impact this year. You know, injured early on the season maybe that derailed some of that. But this kid can play six, three, two guard, point guard, whatever. You want to put him 38% career three point shooter. I think he is like good player who's only going to get better as it continues and you get him for the Rockets pick which is going to be like 23, whatever it may be like that is 28 other teams had to have been out there going like wait a minute, he was available for that. It would only have taken one late first round pick to get a guy that if you redrafted would probably be a top 10 pick. Like if we're putting this, this year aside, like last year, that was real. Like who this kid is is real. Now if you're Oklahoma City, you get another 21 year old who's probably not going to crack the rotation this year for being honest. Like he's not gonna.
- [43:18]
Ryan Rosillo
He would have lasted.
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Chris Mannix
What's that?
- [43:21]
Ryan Rosillo
He would have lasted.
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Chris Mannix
Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, some, some of these rotations but like they had 10.
- [43:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Players out for anyone that missed it. 10 players were out there.
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Chris Mannix
A couple teams that Indiana, Utah game. Who was playing in that? The ball boys like There was like these. In a healthy situation, he's not beating out AJ Mitchell, even Aaron Wiggins, he's not beating out these guys. But he gives this team so much more optionality. When you get to the off season, like, you got Lou Dort out there with a team option. At the end of the season, you pick up that option, you trade Lou Dort, you get some other piece, maybe a big man that you need. And now you have Jared McCain, who can be there with Kayson, Wallace, with A.J. mitchell, with all these young guys that can grow and develop into the next version of Lou Dort. I thought this was highway robbery, man. And look, it's a. It's a good pick for Philadelphia to have. Now you can get Grimes. You know, there's a reasons Philadelphia did it, but for Oklahoma City, which has too many draft picks to use to come away with Jared McCain for one of them. One of them. It's not even the best one of them. I thought that was a steal for, for the Thunder.
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Ryan Rosillo
You can also spin this and look at the west and say, okay, if you're okc. But, you know, the Jalen Williams, the good one, playing less than half of the season again and him being hurt now, last night's lineup was whatever. For those that got excited for another Spurs Thunder showdown, like I did, and I was like, all right, I can't wait for this game tonight. And you're like, all right, not as advertised. But I mean, him missing half the season, you're kind of like, when are we actually going to start worrying about this? Maybe we're not. But if you're looking around at all the moves, you go, okay, so Houston didn't do anything. San Antonio didn't do anything. Denver saved some money on the tax. Minnesota got IO, which I like because it means Dillingham's like, look, they were wrong on Dillingham, which is fine. It's a great front office that made a mistake.
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Chris Mannix
Wrong big on Dillingham there.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Because they didn't have any of the picks. And that was like the one that were like, we're going to get back into this for him. Give us some guy that can play on, play off the ball. What they probably saw with him and Reed shepherd, maybe he can run the second unit, make it a little bit easier on Ant. And then all. It looked like it was just in a hurry, in a mess, and it was bad. So now those minutes, those possessions, they're not going to happen. But basically what I'm telling you is like, that's we have to get to Luke Canard with the Lakers or Iota, Minnesota to look at any potential west challengers that did anything different, because there just wasn't. Again, there's only so many moves that are out there, but OKC should feel good.
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Chris Mannix
Minnesota, I think they're going to get Mike Conley back. And I say this because, like, when the Mike Conley deal went down with Chicago, you call around, you say, all right, where could Conley wind up? I had two executives tell me he's going to get traded again and he's going to go back to Minnesota because of that Bogut rule where if you're traded twice, you're eligible to go back to the first team that you traded from. So the fact that two people said this was going to happen before the second trade even happened, they knew the second trade was going to be coming from Mike Conley. I saw Ant Edwards talking about after the game, like, I hear he can come back. I feel like that's, you know, they lost Mike Conley for a minute. I think they're going to be able to get him back and resume that role with his team.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, it's just. It's not you. I think all of us love him and like to get him post d' Angelo Russell and it's like, oh, wait, like, we're going to have some structure here or we're gonna, you know, even if he doesn't have it, he's not going to be determined to have it for the rest of the game. The Conley stuff was not good this year. The. The floater things. And so, yeah, that's nice that they get him back or whatever, but it still, he would have to be a lot better player to get back into this rotation for a team that was probably still looking around going, hey, why not us? Like, why can't we be in the Western Conference finals another year here? Let's talk about what you can talk about on any of the other deals. Whether it was like, you know, some of these 80 things that you'd heard, like with Toronto, I'd heard an AD Toronto, one that actually made a lot of sense to me. And I was like, you know, that kind of makes sense for Toronto to be like, let's do like another Kawhi. I feel like a Maasai deal all over again. But go ahead with whatever you can, obviously, because I'm sure there's plenty of stuff you can't share.
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Chris Mannix
I mean, the, like, ad there was no market for him. Like, nothing. I'm telling you, The Wizards, I believe, were stunned when like this was like even in play for them, where really they're just kind of receptacle for all the Mavericks bad contracts. And in exchange you give up two first round picks you didn't really care about all that much. I don't think anyone wanted him. I think there were maybe a cursory conversation or two with Toronto, maybe there was a conversation with Atlanta, but those teams were far more focused on Demonta Sabonis than they were Anthony Davis. Like that. That's what we've come down to. Like Sabonis value is significantly more right now than Anthony Davis. I just think, I think Dallas looked around and I think they panicked a little bit. Like, if I was them and that's the best offer they could get, I wouldn't have done it. You can get that offer or some version of that offer probably anytime. For Anthony Davis, I would have waited till the summer. I would have waited. When teams finish their season, maybe they know they need something. They lose something in free agency, maybe even the next season where he's playing a little bit more. Maybe Kyrie's back. I just thought they sold as low as they possibly could, but they got nothing in terms of a player back for AD and two picks that are not going to be very good. As far as other deals that didn't happen, I'm trying to think like, I mean, Sacramento tried everything with those veteran guys who don't want to be there. No surprise there. I don't know, Miami, Minnesota were so focused on Giannis at that point. Who am I missing? What am I?
- [48:50]
Julian Edelman
What?
- [48:50]
Chris Mannix
What?
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Ryan Rosillo
Look, the Sacramento one there just wasn't. And it's great. They even pulled off one deal. Even though you look at that deal and go, why did you want to pay Hunter after Cleveland didn't want to pay him for a guy. I can't believe Hunter's going to be this bad and they get a look at him for 20 plus million next year. But they're still small. I mean, I want to spend a ton of time on Sacramento because Zach Levine, the least surprising player option pickup in recent memory, like, hey, I think I'm going to take that 50 million next year. All right. Zach? Yeah.
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Chris Mannix
Do they? Yeah, I know exactly. Yeah. Well, maybe I'll take it. I mean, Zach Levine wanted out too, and there's just no market for him. Maybe there will be next year. In the last year of his deal, the DeRozan like, is DeRozan become a buyout guy. I know they pushed. I reported that he could be. They, they pushed back on and I'm curious to see, I know he's got, you know, 10 million guaranteed on the, the, the next year of his deal. That's it. But he doesn't want to be there either. And now they've got Hunter in that mix. Like, is that a conversation that they have? I think the look, the buyout market, I think generally could be interesting over the next couple of weeks. It's never, I say this with a caveat. It's never impactful. Never ever, ever does a buyout guy turn out to be an impactful player on a playoff team. It doesn't happen. But you know Boston, who we haven't talked about, could they get in on Lonzo ball? Could they get in on Heywood Highsmith? Could they get in on.
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Ryan Rosillo
Now you've got me excited.
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Chris Mannix
Gabe Vincent, maybe in Atlanta they could wind up cutting ties with him. You know, the Celtics, now they move Simons, they need a versatile guard, right? Lonzo has not shot the ball well at all this year, but he's a multi positional defender. Heywood Highsmith, same kind of thing. Gabe Vincent, not as big, but the Celtics got a bird's eye look of what he can do in the postseason to what he did in Miami. I think the, you know, the Celtics getting Vucevich I think was an upgrade for them. And if they can go out and get a big guard on the buyout market, who can be on the back end of that guard rotation, you know, with the outstanding question of what Jason Tatum's going to do that that's a pretty good couple of days for the Celtics.
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Ryan Rosillo
I was looking at Voose Vucevich's rookie year. Elton Brand was a teammate. Thaddeus Young and I think Sam Young, old Sam Young was on that team. And Spencer Hawes, AKA the Moses Malone of the Pacific Northwest. So yeah, Vuch has been around for a while. We know his flaws. But I, it made sense because I, I think it kind of speaks to the Przingis thing that we were just talking about. Every team wants the option of a stretch five. I think every team would love with the way the game is played now, it's like, all right, do we have a five who can threaten you from three? And then it opens everything up for our ball handlers. That's not going to happen. Kata I think they were trying it with Garz there a little bit. But then you also know, I don't know that it'll get to NS Canter level bad of bringing Vuch up into a pick and roll if you want to close with him. There's a lot of teams kind of going small again, too. So I think it just. Look, it's a flyer. They prioritize. Probably anybody that's that big who's still this productive at 35 years old going, it just gives us a different look. And clearly it's a look that Boston preferred. Golden State, on the other hand, and granted, I'm so happy this stupid Kaminga thing is over. It's the longest amount of time that we've spent on a player that is, as I would say, I don't know if un impactful is the right way to phrase this. He's just not. I mean, look, if you are a bad team and you want to give him 20 shots, he's going to score a bunch of points because he's talented enough to do that stuff. Porzingis and I saw what the rim stuff was like. The rim protection stuff is. Is still off the charts for him. I just can't imagine ever being excited about acquiring him because this is. Other than that one year in Washington where he needed to be healthy and he got the extension from Boston. After all that stuff, you just can't count on them. So I don't even know why you'd be motivated to. To do anything in that kind of deal, but at least I understood. Cause it's kind of the same thing you're talking about. Even though Pozingis, from a defensive standpoint against the rim, like, it's a completely different level than what you'd expect or.
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Chris Mannix
Not expect from v. He's played 17.
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Ryan Rosillo
Games though, this year.
- [52:46]
Chris Mannix
Like, what are we talking about?
- [52:49]
Kyle
I'm over.
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Chris Mannix
Like, I mean, is it. It's fine for what you gave up. You ended up the Jonathan Kaminga era. Finally, Buddy healed. Whatever. You can replace him in the rotation. You already have. And maybe you can figure out what's been going on with porzingis in the second half of the season. And he can be a 20. He's already only a 24 minute per game guy in Atlanta. Maybe he can give you 20 minutes per game as part of that rotation. They don't have rim protectors. Al Horford is not. He's. He's aged. He's aged in Golden State. He was aging in Boston. He's aged in Golden State. It's fine. Do I think it moves the needle at all for them in the playoffs? I do not. I do not. I think Porzingis has reached the unreliable phase of his career and it doesn't. To me, it doesn't make them any more of a contender today than they were yesterday.
- [53:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Last thought. Cam Thomas, worth nothing.
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Chris Mannix
Just waving. I love that waving. I mean, somebody said to me today, like, if you're one of the tanking teams, you go get Cam Thomas.
- [53:52]
Ryan Rosillo
That's how I felt about, like, later, Westbrook. Like, here you go. Usage rate. Let's. Let's break your own record, buddy.
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Chris Mannix
Like, if you're Washington, like, like, Brian Keefe needs another headache. But if you're Washington, like, here you go, here's Cam Thomas. And you sign me. Like, yeah, we got it. Look, we got a 20ish point per game score. Look who we brought in here. And you just take, take.
- [54:13]
Ryan Rosillo
I love this. The Pacers. Bring him in, let him go. We're like, we're changing our entire system. We want you just to freestyle. Like, we improvise the point.
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Chris Mannix
The Pacers also reached the point where they're like, they're not even hiding some.
- [54:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Of the stuff anymore.
- [54:25]
Chris Mannix
Like, they're resting guys left and right. They're resting huge chunks of their rotation. Just bring them in, cut them loose, do whatever you want. Can be entertaining. You lose games, whatever. That's. That's the only market for Camp Top. Like, if you're, like, I just mentioned Boston, like, you're not touching Cam Thomas. If you're Boston, even if you need another guard, you're not touching Cam Thomas. That's not the kind of player that you need. You need a comfortable bench player who can defend.
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Ryan Rosillo
That's.
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Chris Mannix
That's not. That's not your guy. But a tanking team. Utah, Indiana, Washington, Milwaukee wants to. To sink it. Bring on Cam Thomas and let him rip, baby.
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Ryan Rosillo
I was thinking during some of these games where it could get really ugly, instead of having Steve Javi on the broadcast or the great thing that NBC is doing with Austin Rivers and Robbie Hummel, a network should bring back Sam Hinkey. Like, all right, Sam, what do you see? He's like, well, when we were in Philly, I'd call Georgetown and be like, who's your least talented? And it would also cut down on cost of travel on top of everything else. So we saved some money on some of these guys, because if you go through that hinky thing, the thing that made it the most egregious is, I think, the worst year that I looked it up, the number of guys that didn't play in the league. Immediately after that, we're getting real minutes from that Sixers team, which, again, is the only team that I'd ever suggest whenever we do, like, would Alabama beat the Browns, you know, during those lean years? And it's a ridiculous question to ask. I think there's a Kentucky year in there where they would have beaten that hinky Sixers roster. And people will just say, oh, that's stupid. You're actually falling for the thing. I'm like, no, no. I'm only saying that one time that that could possibly happen. I think hinky on the broadcast is like a tank expert. Be like, what we. What you need to do here is like, I think his eye was scratched. So you get him out of there.
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Chris Mannix
He was. When I remember that, if I'm remembering correctly, when he finally got muscled out was when the NBA was like, look, you. You have to at least try here. I remember Colangelo came in, and I think his first edition was like, is Smith. And like, is Smith was such an upgrade for that team that, like, the NBA was happy. Like, all right, you got a veteran point guard that can play a little bit. Not great, but can play a little bit.
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Ryan Rosillo
You have to know how to do the do it. Like, and he's too pragmatic. He's too, like, ones and zeros. Like, he couldn't be like, well, if we're doing this, let's do it.
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Chris Mannix
Like, no loss by 10 is the same as a loss by 40.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, you. You need to do it, but you need to make us all feel better about it. Yeah.
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Chris Mannix
The Cam Thomas to bring it full circle. Could be that guy. You cut Cam Thomas loop loose, let him go for 25 a game. Let him just. I don't even know what would be. I can't think of what's the record.
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Ryan Rosillo
For shots in a game. Let's go have some fun, Cam.
- [57:04]
Chris Mannix
Have a good run with it.
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Ryan Rosillo
Hey, you deserve a break. Thank you so much for doing this. Late Chris Mannix, si.com Check out all the work, all the stories. Great insight as always. Thank you.
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Chris Mannix
You got it, man.
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Ryan Rosillo
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Julian Edelman
Thank you.
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Ryan Rosillo
At your place.
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Julian Edelman
It's. It was. It. It's. It's a little intimidating having guys like you and your pedigree of just speaking all day for so many years, like, yeah, that. That means a lot coming from people like you. Seriously. Because we're dipping into your world now. Yeah, but it was, you know, as an athlete. I'm an athlete. I was put on this to lace them up. Can't do it no more, so I gotta find other shit to do. And now my appreciation and my respect level has been opened up to different.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, looks. I. I think you do a great job. And I was watching a bunch of clips. I was watching the Wilfrick interview because big, big Vince is coming on. I was watching stuff with Patricia, with. With Josh McDaniels. It's just. It was really good stuff. And granted, you know, the connection that you have. And Matt Light is, like, always my hero, because Matt Light's, like, the only guy that showed up to ESPN and did a couple shows, was like, yeah, I'm not doing this stuff. And, like, went missing.
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Julian Edelman
I remember he told. He's like, yeah, I did it for, like, two weeks. I was like, I hate this.
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Chris Mannix
And it's.
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Ryan Rosillo
And he's so good, too, with you. Right?
- [58:57]
Julian Edelman
Like, he could do whatever he wants, but he's. You know, he. I've been with a few linemen that have that brilliance.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Julian Edelman
Kind of thing where, like, they just, like doing interesting things that stimulates their minds. And toonies like, that. Toonies. A guy that'll go learn German in an off season and then go to, you know, October, like an abridged October fest, because it can't go to the one during the season and, like, live there with the German. Like, some linemen are just. They're just cool people. You know what I mean? And Light is in that category of just always had the coolest toys. Always had everything. And he was fucking a baller on.
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Ryan Rosillo
The field baller, too. Yeah, I. He was really. I've always wanted to talk to him about it just because it was one of those things, because I. That's back when I was there, like, five days a week, I'm just in it, you know, and guys are just walking the hallways being like, do you hear about Matt Light? They were like, what. What do you mean? Be like, he just. He just doesn't want to do it. And it was like, what. What do you mean? He doesn't like he signed up for the fall or whatever. And then he'd run into like Darren Woodson or something who was great. Woodson be like, just left. He's like, no, he just didn't come back. Everyone was always trying to like, like, so wait, he did a couple shows and was like, nah, this is stupid. Like, I'm not coming back. And I was like, it's not even inconvenient for him. We're not even that far away. And it would just be. It was like this legend, man. He was like this cool guy that had been in high school before anybody had been there. And they were just like Matt Light guy.
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Julian Edelman
Matt Light. I mean when we got to New England, Matt Light. The only time you saw Matt like genuinely excited was during training camp for like rookie skits. What, what the kids were, what the young guys were going to do. And. And to his, his credit, it's because he had the like video that he made for the like he was just the guy that would have the film people come in and like he would do these stand up bits and go throughout the whole locker room and facility and then he would present it to the team and have like this presentation just to get guys to laugh and. And he was like the joking factor that allowed us to have some relief through the stresses of playing in New England. And like, he just was so like. He made this Harry Carey video. I don't know if he's. We talked about it maybe and I mean he put some serious hours, him and Castle behind making this video for them in the 07 season to give him a little comic relief. It was just. He, he's. He's a fucking, he's a gem.
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Chris Mannix
He's.
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Julian Edelman
He's great on anything.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. So there you go, some Matt like content that you probably weren't expecting.
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Julian Edelman
Go check out the shootout. He's got a shootout always. He's been invited to 30 years. The Matlite Shootout. It's like his charitable foundation that he does a great job for the kids.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, for the kids. We like that. We're gonna.
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Julian Edelman
Kids.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'm. I'm now interested. I know your pleas, your playoff resume here with the Pats. You get ready for them in the Super Bowl. I was wondering. Cause I had to go back through it again. By the way, how many times you've been asked about being Vrabel's teammate?
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Julian Edelman
Probably like at least five times, right?
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Ryan Rosillo
And you just missed them. This.
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Julian Edelman
The year I got there was the year they got. He left. He left in 09 he went to the Chiefs and I was drafted in 09.
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Ryan Rosillo
I know. So I almost was like, let me double check that.
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Julian Edelman
But yeah, Rabes is like legend was, was loud even when I was there. Like the stories of just how he would bust coaches balls, how you know, he would the whole patriot way, keeping guys accountable. He would do it to a whole nother level. And he would do it because A, he was there working harder than you and B, if you didn't match his stance, like there was just always those stories. Raves would fucking kill you if you went up on that taping table before that vet, you know, like those kind of things or you know, very would have ripped your face off for this and you know, and then Bill on another, you know, side of it would always talk about how, you know, intelligent of a football player he was because we always had, you know, the great thing about having continuity and playing in a system that's been around for a long time. You can plug and play examples because the league is so reciprocal. So even though the play was 20, 15 years ago, you're seeing semi the same looks nowadays. And to be able to show your scheme with your players against whatever look you're doing is very valuable, especially the guy who coached that player in that. So we had great examples and he was always a huge example of certain plays in super important, gotta have it moments, whether it was offense or, or defense or offense, you know, how situationally smart he was, how he was as a practice player. Everyone talked about him and Rodney Harrison, these guys love to practice. He was on the scout team in practice. So like I heard all that. And then we used to go to the derby together. We went to derby a couple times together and that's where, you know, we. I felt I. When we first met, it was like we never played together, but we felt like we played together because I knew a lot of the people, you know, the Matt Lights, the Logan Mankins, these, all those guys. I was with them for a long time and then, you know, so we felt like we played together and I heard of them and I knew of them and we've hung out a bunch, but we never played together.
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Ryan Rosillo
See that's really interesting though because when you think about all the different legends, like it's hard to be a legend in a group that, you know, has that kind of run, you know, like, hey, this guy. Or the stories here. Like I. There's something you did with Vince where he mentioned Jamie Collins and I was like, God, that must be like an incredible amount of Respect for Jamie's athleticism that Vince mentions him when it's all the guys that he played with, the 20 years of roster and all these different cats. And so for Brable to have that kind of presence and he's out of presence like this this year is absurd. Me, I, I mean it's great that Drake is better. I can look at their rosters in comparison, the turnover, the job that they've done. But like I still can't believe they're in the Super Bowl.
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Julian Edelman
Jules. Yeah, no, it's, it's very surprising because of the, you know, the last two years with 4 and 13 completely new turnover, new coaching staff, young quarterback, Drake in Drake may. How is he going to respond after off of a 15 touchdown, 8 interception ratio last year? Young guy had some spurts of good. How is he going to do it? Josh, There were so many question marks. How is this receiver room going to do Diggs, is he over the hump? He's coming off an acl. Who are they going to throw to? Are the guys they going to bring in the Milton Williams, the splanes? Like are they going to be able to adapt and make a impact fast enough? Like there is so many question marks to this team and it's been really remarkable that they're in the super bowl. And, and that's, that's a thing from someone who knows how hard it is to get there. That's a thing where you sit there, you look like man, you tip your cap to that operation because that's, this isn't normal. You don't just first year head coach on a new place with the second year quarterback get to Super Bowls. So I think there's a whole lot of reasons why, but it's still super impressive.
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Ryan Rosillo
One of the things that I always think is like very similar and anybody that I've talked to throughout this run for this organization is that a lot of times we thought what we were doing was common sense in our preparation, but then you go somewhere else and you're like wait, you don't, you don't, you guys don't prepare on formations. Like you may know what your route is but you don't understand like the greater concept of what my route means and what we're trying to attack or all these different things. And whenever I can see you talking with other Patriots teammates, it's just like, yeah, this is what it is. And it appears that Vrabel is like this is the only way to do it. Like if you want a smart team, make sure your Players are smart. Is that something you're seeing? Like whether it's Drake, I don't know if it's an offensive side of the ball, collectively, defensive side of the ball, but when you've watched them play this year, you're like, oh, this is kind of back to like the full preparation thing that we had under Bill the whole time.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah, I think there's some, there's probably a million similarities. Like if you, if you saw the actual breakdown of the day, because what you know, Rabes is influenced by a bunch of guys. Coward, he played for Coward. Bill, he's got a lot of great stuff in his in exception experience in his head to pull from and he's been part of some of the legendary teams of this organization. So there's definitely similarities. And I would say, you know, there's a quote out there where he wants to be a good enough team to capitalize on bad football. And that's something that stuck with me. Like that's, that's something Bill would always preach to us. You know, you got it. You can't win until you learn from losing. Something like that. Where, meaning most of these games are lost, you know, not one, because it's the team that makes the most mistakes or the teams that usually lose the game. If you look at all the numbers and all that bullshit. So how are you a smart, tough football team? You're smart by being able to perform situationally. You're tough by being able to stop the run, run the ball and cover kicks. And like, so you look at their team, they tackle well, they're situationally dialed before half, end of game, 2 minute, 4 minute, which they call 5 minute, I guess because of the time clock change. I just learned that on busting with the boys from Braves. You know, like the, they, they're situationally very smart. They don't ever make mistakes. I mean there was one pre snap penalty that will Campbell last week or in the AFC championship. But granted this kid's a rookie, he's playing in Denver, which is a tough place to play, getting ready to go out against two of the guys that have the fastest get offs in the National Football League. So you know, that's, that's, that was tough. But then they, they straightened it up and they beat themselves the whole game. You know, you're waiting for what's the mistake going to be all AFC championship. And there was no mistake. And that's where I see the similarities between our teams. You know, winning the game to have one more point than the other team. It doesn't matter about the offense of stat sheet. Doesn't matter about, you know, this or that or that number or this stat. It's about who's got more points than the other team or at the end. At the end of the game. And. And they call it just when you watch it. They knew they were struggling a little bit with, you know, Nick Bonito and Cooper with Young, you know, Campbell, who coming off an injury, he's out for a month, just got back in. He's playing against elite defense. They knew they were struggling. You know, they knew. So what did they do? They slowed the game up. They brought in their 12 personnel. They bring in more tight ends and more tackles and run the ball and keep that.
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Ceruti
Like.
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Julian Edelman
They just do things very similar to what we used to do when you special teams.
- [70:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Right.
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Julian Edelman
You know, a lead in special teams. Marcus Jones, Schooler covering kicks. They just. They have a lot of the same pieces. We had the Matthew Slater. They got the Schooler. You know, we. We were returning good kicks with Amendola.
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Ryan Rosillo
Me.
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Julian Edelman
And they got the Marcus Jones. They. They have an edge in the special teams. They. They have. That's what we used to have. So they're a, well, complimentary football team. And I think Braves has a lot to do with that.
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Ryan Rosillo
When you first got to New England and you lost your first two playoff games, were you kind of like, hey, what's the big deal here? Wait, I thought this.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah. Was it first two? No, it was first one.
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Ryan Rosillo
Didn't you lose the jets and Baltimore?
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Chris Mannix
That was.
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Julian Edelman
Oh, it was the first two. It is.
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Ryan Rosillo
You're rolling into the game or season three.
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Julian Edelman
We were 14 and two. Right.
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Ryan Rosillo
You're like, hey, Tom. Well, you had killed the jets in that night game. And then two weeks before, two weeks later, you're going, this is the lock of the set. Like, there's no way.
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Julian Edelman
No way. And then, you know, that was the whole Welker game where he was doing the foot soldiers before to Rex Ryan and all that. The foot references. Because that. Like that. The article came out that he had.
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Ryan Rosillo
A foot bill like that.
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Julian Edelman
No, he benched him for the first two. Two series. Remember, I got to start. Got to start my first start in the NFC AFC Championship. Thanks, Wes.
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Ryan Rosillo
I just think it's crazy that for any. Is there any other player that lost his first two games, the Patriots, and then would go on to play in four during. They went through five. I know you were hurt in the Philly game, but that's just so strange because I was like, oh, he Lost his first two.
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Julian Edelman
I know. I didn't even realize it. I didn't even think about it.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I don't.
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Julian Edelman
Because those ones suck. But when they're early, they don't hurt as much. Like, I remember those.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Julian Edelman
That you brought it up. But it doesn't, like, it doesn't hurt me. Like when we lost in Denver twice.
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Ryan Rosillo
Twice in the AFC Champion.
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Julian Edelman
You know, I do remember that jets one because of that. But I still wasn't, like, in there.
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Ryan Rosillo
But your whole thing. And like, we've talked about this before, like, your background, everybody knows it. You're coming from small school, playing a different position, and then it's like, Bill has some idea, and he's like, I see these things that I know that it's going to work. And did you know that you had, you had 54 targets your rookie year and then you had 55 targets combined your next three years? Yeah. So that gets lost in all of the different stuff of like, hey, I actually was part of it early on. And then you blow up your fifth year. So you can be this development story. But I imagine for you personally, it's like, why is this going in the opposite direction here early?
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Julian Edelman
Yeah, I, I mean, as, as a young football player, I, I, it was hard for me, but now that I'm older and I, you know, I, I was in the league and I kind of can sit back and reflect. I mean, I, I wasn't. How are you going to take Wes Welker off the field with, you know, anytime? And it's hard to have two slots in the game. And I was still developing into an outside receiver before, like, so I understand why. And then I was also, you know, I was bringing value to special teams. I was house and punts. I was leading the league and average and all that stuff. I was, I was still having, you know, I was still helping the team win games, so I got lost in it with that. But I had something that kept me afloat. And then, you know, it took something like, you know, Wes being out and, and then, you know, Gronk getting hurt. And then I, then I got my shot. So, you know, those first few years, that, that was crazy. But, you know, it, I, it's just. It is what it is.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I think it's worked out. Yeah, it's worked out for the record. Cause I want to get into this matchup of this game, though. But let's, let's go back down through history a little bit. Can you give me. Of the four Super Bowls you played in, right. So we've got the Giants loss, we got the Seattle win, the Atlanta comeback, the Rams win. Because you had the blown ACL against Philly and you were out for the whole year. Give me the one leading up prep week that your, it's just probably speaks to your side of the ball. Felt the most confident about the matchup.
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Julian Edelman
We felt confident, all of them. But I, I would say, you know, well, the thing is, you, there's, there.
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Ryan Rosillo
Wasn'T one matchup in particular. Like, hey, the super bowl against the.
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Julian Edelman
Se, you know, Seahawks. We all, we were at our fullest artillery, you know, you know, the, the one against Atlanta, we didn't have Rob. We, you know, we were kind of shuffling there, and then the last one, we were kind of shuffling for playmakers. Rob was kind of, he came back and, and, you know, we were getting older and we're 10 years into this thing. And so, you know, I think that first one, you were really confident just because, you know, you got two weeks to prepare. I remember specifically before the game, we put in the X return. I'm an army personnel, so it makes me the X. I'm in the X. And we had the whip route. We put in like three, four man beaters, like right before the game, maybe the night before in that specific against the Legion of Boom. Because we found, I don't know how, but they got a hint that they were going to have more man coverage in the red area. And so I just remember that. Yeah, a hint.
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Ryan Rosillo
That's good. It was a good hint. I'd always heard the Rams one was like, overall, you were like, hey, we're going to have to screw this up to not get this done. Not to be disrespectful of the opponent, but maybe that was the defensive side. Maybe that was stuff that we were hearing from the defensive side, maybe the defense.
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Julian Edelman
So we, I mean, we had to go against Aaron Donald in that hole and Wade Phillips, which we've struggled with a few times, you know, once in Denver in the AFC champion. So we still, we had demons to overcome with that, that game. So I, I, you never, I always went in like, chicken little dude. Sky is falling. Did we get enough? Just because the two weeks to prepare is a lot. You're taking, you know, a caged animal that's a herd animal that, you know, you got to tell where to go, and you're giving them an extra week to just roam, even though you know that they, they still have. But, like, by the time you get to the game, you've you've done, you can recite the script of every third down because you've ran it significantly more than you have all season. So like going into the games I was always like super prepared but I owe, you know, did we get you know, because I felt that loss of that first one, you know, in, in 11 against the Giants. So like after that I was always kind of like on edge because you got there's so many things that can happen, you know, I mean the Mario Manning hand catch, the, the Malcolm Butler interception, the, the catching, you know, in the Atlanta one, the interception or, or the Jason McCourty back down by in the Rams one in the end zone by Cooks. Like there's, there's always, there's always one crazy play of some sort that could just change everything and butterfly affect it.
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Ryan Rosillo
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Julian Edelman
I like the Pats. I like the Pats.
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Ryan Rosillo
And that's not an alumni pick.
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Julian Edelman
No, it's not alumni pick. That's honestly, you know, I, my concern is still Sam Darnold. He had his great, he had a great game and I know and I understand Drake hasn't played his best, but he's had still situationally great plays in all the games. You know, he struggled with the ball in the Houston game.
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Ryan Rosillo
Not that you've heard anything that I've done. But like the Drake, if you go, hey, look at regular season Drake, playoff Drake, you're being incredibly dismissive of some elements involved.
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Julian Edelman
Oh, without a doubt. He's getting. But he got it done. He got it done. But I'm saying he didn't play his best game. I'm just trying to paint the picture where Sam just played his best game. Okay. Is he going to be able to match that against, you know, who do you play that the best game against? The Rams defense. Okay. The Rams defense, they never get off the field when they need to get off the field. I've been saying it all year you know that they had a great pass rush, they stopped the run very old. But whenever there's got to have it or they always somehow have a broken play, there's a 50 yard this or their secondary wasn't quite. He's not going to have that same defense. This Patriots defense is getting zero respect and I think Vrabel's been feeding that to them and I, I think that's going to go huge. And how do you get Sam Darnold uncomfortable pressure in the middle of the pocket. Barmore and Milton Williams have been doing that elitely in the whole playoffs and I think that's like a disaster waiting to happen now. It has to happen for it to, for the Patriots to win. But I think it will because I don't think, I think everything else. Like when you look at the Rams game with Seattle, the Rams, they bullied, I mean the Seattle bullied the Rams on special team. So they knew they had the edge on that. They knew they were, they knew they were going to get one play right on something. You're not going to get that with the Patriots because they're pretty elite on, on, on special teams and that defense for the Patriot like so they, they're very similar type teams. And I just think when you have such similar type teams, it's going to come down to the quarterback. I think, Sam, you know, has he maybe thought about this team over the last five years? I know even though it has different coaches, different maybe. Maybe. Does he, does he see ghosts when he looks at this new. I don't know. I heard it and I still have that memory. Had a great game last week. Never seen him in this one. First USC quarterback to ever be in a Super Bowl. Like is he going to back up that play? And I don't think he will. I think he's going to have great plays, but I think there's going to be some play where the Patriots are going to get a takeaway. There's going to be a takeaway of some sort of. They're going to have to stop the run. It all starts with stopping the run because if Kenneth Walker gets going, then that offense opens up. Now Clint Kubiak, he's getting the head coaching job for the Ram or for Raiders. Is he all the way in on this game plan? Is he giving every effort on this? I mean I had Billy O when we lost to, you know, Indianapolis or when we lost to the Giants. Billy O Got the Penn State. Those coaches, they may say they're all the way in. They're not, they're not all. So there's a distraction there. So there's all these little things. And then also lastly, I'm all over the place. But I think the experience of the coaching staff in the organization for the Patriots is real value is where the real value is at. Josh McDaniels has called this game 10 times. Clint Kubiak hasn't. Mike McDonald hasn't. Rabel's played in this game three times now. He hasn't coached in it, but he's, he's got a coach on his staff that's coaching 10 of them. So they know the flow of this game. They know how unrhythmatic this game is.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's a mess right out there.
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Julian Edelman
It just, it spurts. It's spurts of rhythm and you got to take advantage of those spurts. If things are coming along, you got it. And then it's going to get doled out because there's a seven minute timeout because they gotta get the band off the field. The halftime show, this, the fireworks, we gotta. You know what I mean? There's a lot of lull to this game and there's, there's like energy of like, there's an energy that you have to be prepared for to. Because this ain't a sprint. This thing's a fucking marathon. And both these teams are going to want to muddy it up and make it a long fast, you know what I mean? And I just, I think that, I think the Patriots are, are going to do it. And Drake has to have his best game. He's got to have his best game.
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Ryan Rosillo
What do you, what do you love about. Cause I love the Seattle defense. I love, I love the concept. I love that McDonald was like, look, we're kind of become this four, three thing here with his. Vick influences, his, his cover two influences. But he's like Ian Worre.
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Julian Edelman
There's Ian Mori. I think he's the key.
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Ryan Rosillo
He's like, he just lets us be kind of different. And now we're sort of like our base packages or sub, you know, So.
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Julian Edelman
I, I think that's going to be a huge part of the game. I think we're going to see what Josh McDaniels thinks of it. Is Seattle going to match the 12 personnel with that sub that they pretty much play as base?
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Ryan Rosillo
Right.
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Julian Edelman
You know what I mean? Are they going to match it or are they going to stay in that? When they put in another tackle to come in and play tight like that's the chess game.
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Ryan Rosillo
They probably Will start with it.
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Julian Edelman
And that's the chess game that I'm talking about that I just think I've been in game plans where Josh has scrapped the game plan that we had because we had, we adjusted to the adjustments. Bullshit that we always hear, you know what I mean? I've been in those games and he's been in those games. So he knows these situations. Been in a game where we needed, we needed three two point conversions in that 20, 28 to three game. We put in six. For some reason that week. I got these guys, you know what I mean? So he's taking that knowledge and all these experiences from coaching in the. I just think it's going to, I think it's going to give them the edge. And a lot of people have been picking against them. The Patriots, I think that's going to go in and it just reminds me of that 01 kind of them against the world kind of mentality. Everyone, everyone, oh, it's shootout, it's Seattle or, you know, I think the Patriots. And this is where a star could be born because Drake has to play his best game. He's got. You got to play his best game. And maybe that's, maybe that's a mistakeless game. Maybe that's a no touchdown game, but no turnover game because Sam gives you one, maybe two. Maybe our special teams had an explosion play. We got to just clamp on and just hold on and not lose. I mean, whatever it's going to be, he's going to have to have his best game.
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Ryan Rosillo
And if you apply like the Belichick kind of, you know, simple philosophies, right? Cause they sound simple. And you're like, oh, how come more people don't do these things? And when you look at JSN and then the drop off in the receiving game, it's like, well, there's just. Whenever I think about, like I was looking at some of the props, you're just like, how's JSN get 130 in this game? Like, it just doesn't make any sense. Like, sure, he could do it. He's incredible. He could break one. They're busted coverage and all this kind of stuff, but from a personnel standpoint and to focus on like, what's the one thing that we need to take away? Although Walker, the way he's been cooking lately, you know, I think it all starts with that.
- [86:02]
Julian Edelman
Yeah, I think, okay, personally, me personally, I think if you look at Clint Kubiak and when his offenses, even when you go back to when he was in New Orleans and they lit up. Didn't they score like 70 points? Remember they had like six.
- [86:16]
Ryan Rosillo
It was that weird fake like start to the year thing that happened.
- [86:20]
Julian Edelman
That was all predicated on that run game. So then you can get those vertical routes off the play action. That's what Sam Darnold loves. He like leads all the league and play action throws and stuff. But when you gotta force them into a drop back pass game, you take the run game away. You make them play the way they don't want to. You win on first and second down and you get them in third and long so you can get your exotic blitzes, your exotic looks and you can fucking confuse them. That's how you have to play Sam Darnold in these Seahawks. So you get, you know, we'll see where it goes. But I don't even know where I just got into. I just blacked out. I just blacked out on that.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's something with that seat because when Steve Young was here, we got, we got a coaching family tree speech that's like an all timer. Yeah. Yeah.
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Julian Edelman
Which one? The Walsh.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Julian Edelman
Homegrown right. Gruden.
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Ryan Rosillo
Shanahan.
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Julian Edelman
Shanahan.
- [87:12]
Ryan Rosillo
And it just went on and on.
- [87:13]
Julian Edelman
Shanahan morphed it into more of the run.
- [87:16]
Ryan Rosillo
Sid Gilman shout outs in there.
- [87:18]
Julian Edelman
Kill me.
- [87:18]
Ryan Rosillo
Poor Sid Gilman. If Sid Gilman were a coach day one and five in the playoffs, he'd get crushed. Yeah, I'm glad it didn't happen. No, out of respect, man.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah, it's gonna, I think it's gonna be a great game. And I think, I think Cooper cup could, could have a huge game because if the Patriots try to take away JSN Cooper cup, man, this former triple crown winner. This guy's a stud. He's been in this game, he's performed in this game. He knows the magnitude of this game. And if you look at him last week and like important situations on third down, I think there may have been a fourth down or something. He got hit a couple times because they. All the attention was going to jsn. So I think they have, they have, they have a really good offense. They got Barner, he's. He's developed a really good niche. Great on the end of the line of scrimmage, does great in the run game, sneaks out and gets these touchdowns. He's got seven touchdowns, so he's a problem. And then Rashid Shahid, all he has to do is hit. All he has to do is get by the corner one time right and.
- [88:16]
Ryan Rosillo
That opens the offense type stuff, you.
- [88:18]
Julian Edelman
Know what I mean? So there's the Patriots defense.
- [88:21]
Chris Mannix
Can't.
- [88:22]
Julian Edelman
Can't think this is going to be he. This. This is the number one two default offense in the league.
- [88:27]
Ryan Rosillo
I just like so much of their personnel and, you know, it starts at the front more so than, you know. I love Witherspoon and even worries. Just sort of like you don't even know.
- [88:36]
Julian Edelman
He's. He's a. He's a playmaker. He's. He's.
- [88:38]
Ryan Rosillo
He's gonna know what position to put technically next to him.
- [88:41]
Julian Edelman
And that's what makes him a matchup problem because he can stop the run, but he also can cover a tight end.
- [88:47]
Ryan Rosillo
But the front, like the Leonard Williams stretch this year is probably the best I think I've ever seen him play because he was always a high ticket item. And then I think early on you're like, is this guy gonna wreck anything here or is it. Is it. Not necessarily.
- [89:00]
Julian Edelman
But I think he does a lot. Lar Williams does a lot to help, which. Which goes to a testament to how good their defense is. He does a lot of selfless thing or selfless things where he'll have to take on two guys and two other guys get open or, you know, whatever they're bringing with what, however they bring, because they like to change it up. They spin the dial. This isn't very similar to like the Legion of Boom who did what they did and threw in man coverage every once in a while on third and short. This team gives you different looks. They bring a bunch of guys here towards the line of scrimmage. They may only bring four, but which four are coming? They get back and they know how to get back into their zones and, and. And help people off. This is a. It's going to be a. I'm excited for this game. This is going to be a fun game.
- [89:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I'm more pumped even after listening to you for a little bit. I want to. I don't want to end on a sad note, but I want to talk about something that was sad. That Tennessee loss for Tom.
- [89:55]
Julian Edelman
Yeah, that was bad. Five raves. Logan Ryan.
- [89:59]
Ryan Rosillo
Pick six. Last, last, last play.
- [90:01]
Julian Edelman
Last play.
- [90:03]
Ryan Rosillo
And I defend Tom. Poor guy needs it. Needs guys like us in his corner. I don't know that I. Right. Like, you have Tom's back always. He knows I have his back. And then it started to become like I was more of a Tom fan than I was even a Patriots fan. Right. So that was when that. Did, you know, did you Know the significance. You're like, I never am going to get to play with them again.
- [90:28]
Julian Edelman
Not at that time.
- [90:29]
Ryan Rosillo
And I'm not trying to have you give any secrets. And I want to know. I don't want to damage the relationship. I don't want to put you in a jeopardy.
- [90:35]
Julian Edelman
I genuinely didn't know.
- [90:36]
Ryan Rosillo
But I remember where I was and where I was sitting and I was like, I was upset for the dynamic. I was upset because I was like, is this actually happening? Is this going to be the history? And you didn't know at the time times.
- [90:49]
Julian Edelman
I was just upset about the loss.
- [90:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Sure. Because that makes sense.
- [90:52]
Julian Edelman
You played in the game and so I was so watching it. Blindered.
- [90:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [90:57]
Julian Edelman
And looking back, you know, now you. You look back and you reflect and then you think about. You're like, man, that sucked. You know, that was the last time we played together.
- [91:07]
Ryan Rosillo
And. And to be on that play too, I was even more. I was like, no, no, can't be this. Not to Tom.
- [91:15]
Julian Edelman
Yeah. You know, all things good come to.
- [91:20]
Ryan Rosillo
An end and it was really good. It was great. And that's what's really fun for you. I'm sure. This week it's like, oh, yeah, I was, I. I won three of these things. Like, it's not a big deal. So I wasn't trying to bum you out at the end of it. I just wanted to share that as another Tom admirer next to you, to be like, you know, but like I said, he needs, he needs. Hopefully some stuff works out for him. I imagine it will.
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Julian Edelman
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [91:42]
Julian Edelman
This guy.
- [91:47]
Chris Mannix
And.
- [91:50]
Julian Edelman
To his credit, I think he, he's actually. He's killed it in the booth.
- [91:56]
Ryan Rosillo
He's awesome.
- [91:58]
Julian Edelman
Like, he's exactly what I thought he would be. He, he, he is an unfinished product always. Because he's always trying to get better. And he. And he genuinely cares about it and he genuinely cares about his work. And that's why, like, I think he's given some unbelievable insight. These last, like in the playoffs, the.
- [92:22]
Ryan Rosillo
Grip thing on the ball. Simple but incredibly informative body language about jsn. People don't realize pulling guards on goal line. I'll never want to do it again.
- [92:32]
Julian Edelman
No one. I mean, that was, that was a Bill for thing. Bill used to hate that. Bill hated.
- [92:36]
Ryan Rosillo
I didn't realize how much I hated it until Tom shared that with. You're totally like, look, big ticket item. Close to 40 mil a year. Everybody loves Greg. Greg's been great on the games. Tom comes in, people don't understand. It's like, yeah, but then Fox and roll Tom Brady out there for the upfronts. Like, there's levels to this stuff. As an on air guy that couldn't figure out some of the stuff that was happening earlier in his career, it's like, what's an upfront? And they're like, yeah, man, there's levels to what happens when you can unveil this. Like, that's where the value is. It isn't just listening for three hours on Sunday. And so the first year, the expectations are way too high and you knew what was going to happen, which is exactly what happens. Like, this guy's not that good. He came back this year. He is phenomenal.
- [93:15]
Julian Edelman
He killed it. And I, you know what? I don't care what anyone says when Tom Brady's telling you what, what's going on in the NFC Championship in a specific play. That's what I want to know. This guy's been in that game 13, 14 times. That's what I, you know what I mean? I love the other guys and all of the, all the other guys do great jobs, but how come. What is Tom thinking on this play? Like, that has merit, at least for me. He's the greatest quarterback of all time that played in 10 Super Bowls. Like, that's, it's still, that's, it's hard to say. Playing half his, his career, he was in the Super Bowl.
- [94:02]
Ryan Rosillo
And the Tampa one is still one of my all time favorites. Oh, I mean, it might be maybe even over Atlanta, maybe the Rams. And nothing will top the first one with the Rams because that's when I still really, really cared. Like, was just running around in my parking lot, my 20s going like, oh, my God. Yeah, I didn't do that. I didn't do that. Towards the end.
- [94:19]
Julian Edelman
I loved it for the, The Buccaneers one was awesome too, to watch them just because, you know.
- [94:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, it is a big, like.
- [94:28]
Julian Edelman
Well, it sucks.
- [94:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [94:29]
Julian Edelman
But I'm, I mean, it's five years later.
- [94:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Right.
- [94:32]
Julian Edelman
But looking back on it, I love Tom and I always, you know, Tom going, you know, you saw Peyton Manning leave Indy and then go get a Super bowl in Denver. Like, that only been done once, you know, and then, you know, what did. Tom comes and does his, you know, does his. And then Stafford does it. But I knew, like, I just, it was cool to see, you know, Tom get his flowers. It was, that was, that was awesome because he deserves that.
- [94:59]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, in case you were on the fence about where Jules and I were on Tom Brady, we're both big fans last Thought here. Games with names. I love that you just like your football career just dove headfirst and we're like, I'm doing it. And then you've got the great setup in your pad. And I really like your guys on the show. Just a real simple one. Like, what's your favorite interview that you've done so far?
- [95:23]
Julian Edelman
Favorite interview I've done so far. You know, the, my favorite non patriot. Because the, the ones when you have.
- [95:33]
Ryan Rosillo
The Pats ones feel like they're their own category.
- [95:35]
Ceruti
Yeah.
- [95:37]
Ryan Rosillo
It's not even a show.
- [95:37]
Julian Edelman
It's, you know, it's not really. And those are the best shows when they're not a show.
- [95:42]
Ryan Rosillo
Right.
- [95:42]
Julian Edelman
You know what I mean? For the, for the listener, I think best. You know, I, I like coaches. I, I, I really like. I just had Gruden on and that was, and I, it may be recency bias, but it's just fun talking ball with guys that I used to watch and get their. What makes them tick. And, and, and just, even if we're not even talking, just talking shit. If that's, those are fun. I thought that was fun. You know, Maddie P. Whenever you bring the coaches on or the GMs, because I kind of know what the players. We all, we're all different.
- [96:23]
Ryan Rosillo
The Ernie stuff's awesome.
- [96:24]
Julian Edelman
Yeah. But I, it's, it's, it's, it's fun for me to hear the other side and how they look at it. You know, I'm the player. So when you have a player on, you know, we're all in it kind of together and you, and it's cool to hear their story, but sometimes I get a little interested to see, like, what are they saying about the players? You know, how, how are these, what are these, what are these guys?
- [96:48]
Ryan Rosillo
How.
- [96:48]
Julian Edelman
This is how they talk about us.
- [96:50]
Ryan Rosillo
What the.
- [96:52]
Julian Edelman
Like when you hear coaches when there's no players in there and the coaches meetings and shit, it's, it's crazy.
- [96:57]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [96:58]
Julian Edelman
You know, it's. And, but those are, those are the fun, fun ones. Danny DeVito was funny because he had a great Jack Nicklaus story.
- [97:06]
Ryan Rosillo
He like got old and now hasn't aged. I feel like in 20 something years.
- [97:10]
Julian Edelman
You know, he had so much.
- [97:11]
Ryan Rosillo
He, he got old out of the way. And then I was like, okay, I'm just gonna look like this now. For the rest, I'm happy about it. I mean, you know, good for him.
- [97:18]
Julian Edelman
Genie Buss was fine just because, you know that there was a huge mystique. Just that's like Lakers life, you know, and I'm not even a basketball guy, but everyone knows the Lakers, you know, Those were fun. Missoula was. I liked hearing his mindset. Those were, that was a fun one.
- [97:36]
Ryan Rosillo
Just how he's like you.
- [97:40]
Julian Edelman
Yeah, he's, he's intense.
- [97:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [97:41]
Julian Edelman
And I like how he. In the best way. And I like how he has to metaphorize things for him to get to where he needs to go. You know, I, I was kind of like that. Everyone has a way. They tick. And I, I've enjoyed a lot. I've enjoyed so many. And we've, and we're getting to the point where there's so many. Where you're like, oh, man. Oh, you know, I, I did get hit in the head for a living. You've short term memory kind of messes with you.
- [98:08]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, hey, we should book this guy. We had him on a month ago. Jules. Oh, no. Well, look, make sure you check it out. Games with names, the YouTube page. Subscribe to the pod. You see Jules on Fox throughout the week and enjoy the week, my man.
- [98:21]
Julian Edelman
You too. This is, this is why we're all here.
- [98:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. It's great to see you.
- [98:24]
Julian Edelman
Great to see you, bro.
- [98:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Thanks. This episode is brought to you by Raising Canes. I'm a huge cane's guide. The crispy chicken fingers, the cricker cup fries, grilled Texas toast, and of course the cane sauce. They know my order when I'm watching any sport, but especially the big game this weekend. There's nothing better than a cane's box combo. There's also nobody better than Kane's founder, Todd Graves. Give it up. Todd's always at the big game with a star studded crew in his suite. Never know who's going to be in there with him. Me personally, I'll be watching the game and enjoying some canes. I'm a simple guy. All I need is some of their chicken fingers and cane sauce and I'm good. Raising Cane's chicken fingers. One love. Bo Jackson joins us in studio as we can continue super bowl week here. Bo knows Men's Health is the podcast and he is here to get us. We were talking about it, man, before we even get started. I'm glad, I'm glad I had some, some stuff caught up because we were talking about it and just. You're right. Like I was like, hey, I'm in good shape, I'm fine. And then it was like, when's the last time you've looked at any of this stuff? And I've just spent like the last Two years trying to get caught up because you carry this, this guilt and anxiety about it and then you don't even want to do any.
- [99:38]
Bo Jackson
No, absolutely. We're afraid of stuff that we need to know about. So we don't go to the doctor because the doctor's going to tell you the truth. And the only time we talk about issues like this is when we're in the doctor's office in a little room where it's just he and I, then we talk about it. But once we leave there, there's nothing ever said about it. You don't talk about it with your family, you don't talk about it with your friends, and it's always up here and it eats at us like battery acid. And we don't want to discuss it with nobody because we think if we discuss, well, I'm having prostate issues, I'm having colon issues, we think that it makes us less of a man when it doesn't. Knowledge is power. That's what I've been taught. And the more you know about it, the better chance you got of dealing with it in a positive way. When I found out that I had two spots on my prostate, my doctor said, well, we can treat this. I thought, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't want to treat it. I said, the way I want to treat this is to remove it, period. Because I know what my brother in law went through. And I said, I'm getting this done for two reasons. Let's just say one reason. Family. Family. I'm getting it done for my grandkids. I'm getting it done for my wife, my three kids. I'm getting it done for my brothers and sisters because I want to be around to enjoy them. And I can't enjoy them sitting up at home too sick to get up to get out of the house because of something that I should have had looked at four or five years ago. I want to be to the point to where I can function with my grandkids because they're 4 and 2 and I don't want to be sitting up at home and having them to come in and tell me, papa, I got three hits in the baseball game today. I want to witness that. I want to be there at that crazy grandparent to cheer them, but to cheer them on and so forth and so on. And you can't do that when you're not being honest with yourself. Don't be afraid to go to the doctor because you're afraid of what he's going to Tell you that's a good thing because the sooner you know, the sooner you can get treatment for it and so forth and so on. I believe in this, is that if I can reach out and touch one man to let him know I feel like I've done my job. Tomorrow is not promised to us. And it's up to us to do things in our lives to make sure we're around to see the sunrise tomorrow. And if we don't because we're afraid of what the doctor's going to tell us, then I call you a coward. Don't do that to your family. Don't do it to your friends. Find out what's wrong like I did. Get it taken care of. The first thing you do, call everybody you know, go get it checked. Go see what you can get done by it. First thing I did was call all my buddies from high school I played college baseball with, no kidding. Called football players, baseball players and the pros had. Get it checked. Because if it can happen to me, and I supposed to be this Bo Jackson, a man that could do everything, if it could happen to me, it could happen to anybody. And it's happening. But you know something? We are keeping our mouths closed and not letting nobody know, not even our good friends that we, that we golf with, that we fish with. You're not sharing it with them because of that man thing we got. We want to always be looked at as the alpha dog, the big dog, and everything's all right. No, it's not. It's not all right. If you're getting up three, four times a night going to the bathroom to take a leak, it's not all right. Is every now and then you get up to flush a toilet and there's blood in your stool. There's something wrong and it's not going to get better. So the thing you do is go see the professional that can help you. Because I've been getting. I share a lot now, but I had my first colonoscopy when I was 21 years old playing. This was during football season at Auburn, and it was on Friday morning. Get up at 6 to get ready to go to class. Go in the bathroom and use the bathroom, get up to flush the toilet. Blood in the stool. Scared the Jesus out of me. I go tell the head trainer, tell the head trainer what was going on. He said, I'll tell you what, tomorrow after the game, I'm going to give you this powder. You mix it with water. You mix it with a half a gallon of water and you got to drink all this starting tomorrow at noon. You cannot eat after noon. You can't eat anything after 12 o'. Clock. But you got to drink a gallon of this stuff so it can flush your system out by Monday morning. I had my first colonosleep Monday morning. Found the polyp. They sent it off, got it tested. It was benign. But colon cancer runs in my family. If I was one of these young kids that ignored that issue, more than likely. I would be dead by 40. I wouldn't be here. Take, for instance, the great actor Chad Chadwick Boseman. He passed away from colon cancer at 40, 43. Too young. Too young. Not saying that he ignored it, but still, that's too young to die of colon cancer. So now, with me being in my early 60s for the past dozen years, every three years, I get a cold, NASCAR. Every three to six months, I go visit my cardiologist. I go get things done. Because, like I said, I don't think God put me on this earth to be a Hall of Fame football player or baseball player. He put me on, is planning for something much bigger, and that's to share the little knowledge that I got and help people turn that light on in that dark room so they can see also. And I call that putting a little sunshine in somebody's cloud.
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Ryan Rosillo
You said something, and that was incredible. So thanks for doing that and opening up about like, hey, I'm Bo Jackson, and. And I grew up. You know, I'm a little younger, but I grew up in that. That age where it was like, you were the coolest fucking thing ever. Like, it was. And I'm. I'm sure he probably gets sick of hearing that and everybody looking at you like a superhero. But what was it like to be the. The coolest thing to everyone? While it was like, yeah, but I'm. I'm just Beau. Like, I'm. I'm just. I'm capable of doing all of these things. But your fame and all of us, you know, that were kids, like, it didn't matter where you were playing. Didn't matter the team, it didn't matter the city. It broke through in a way that. I don't know that that's ever happened with an athlete other than, you know, eventually everyone becoming Bulls fans of Jordan. Your thing was incredibly different. And I wonder if you appreciated that at the time.
- [108:22]
Bo Jackson
Well, I. Oh, I appreciate it greatly. But the thing that I think made me successful, it wasn't the fact that I was somewhat decent at both sports, but I tried to stay humble. I Never complimented. I never complimented myself. I complimented my family. I complimented my teammates. I would compliment the fact that I got a badass Dodge truck.
- [108:51]
Chris Mannix
Truck.
- [108:53]
Bo Jackson
A Dually that I drive. Hey, that people don't expect Bo Jackson to pull up in a pickup truck.
- [108:59]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm looking at Dually's now. So you've got you full respect.
- [109:02]
Bo Jackson
I got the 3500. I love it. I can go brush car on that. I can go anywhere. If I lived in Texas, I would have a brush. But I'm outside Chicago, so I don't need a brush. I don't need a brush guard.
- [109:21]
Ryan Rosillo
It's already tough enough to find a parking spot. I imagine.
- [109:25]
Bo Jackson
It'S funny, but people get out of your way and you can take up two parking spaces with a Dually.
- [109:30]
Ryan Rosillo
No one gets mad. See, there you go. You're convincing me even more. La. It's going to be a little tough. It's going to be a little tough. Yeah, I, I read. I read, you know, everything that was on you when I was younger and older as well. So I, I wouldn't mind having you share a couple of those stories with us. There, there. Felt like, I don't know again, it's me reading about you that you were so good and it was so easy for you in high school. Was. Was there an indifference to it, like you loved it, but was there an indifference of like, I'm so good at this that it challenged?
- [110:09]
Bo Jackson
No, I never looked at it that way. I was taught from high school, you go out and you give me, you give me 60 minutes, you give me nine innings. Everything you got, earth could continue to rotate. So in that 60 minutes, my goal and my teammate's goal was to snatch your soul, period. To make you quit. To make you say, I don't want this guy to run at me anymore or I don't want this guy to get up to the plate anymore because he's hit two bombs off of me already. That's how we were. Our, our goals was to do one thing and we always celebrated after the competition was over, but we had a goal for 60 minutes. You go out and you destroy who's on the other side of the line. Because in high school, I kick off, I returned kicks, I returned punts, I kicked extra points. And I was a defensive end and a running back, so I never came off the field. And I loved it. And in high school, my number was number 40. Everybody wanted to know where number 40 was, and I let them know. I let them know by sending a quarterback to the hospital with a busted jaw because I sacked, period.
- [111:48]
Ryan Rosillo
Did you not like pitching, even though you were great at it?
- [111:51]
Bo Jackson
My coach made me pitch in the county championship.
- [111:57]
Ryan Rosillo
And how often did you pitch during the season?
- [112:00]
Bo Jackson
I think I was an undefeated. No, I lost to our nemesis, Brookwood High School.
- [112:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Right.
- [112:06]
Bo Jackson
I think I lost one game my senior year in high school. If I pitch and he made me pitch in a county championship, I want to play shortstop because I was a shortstop and outfield, so I could play all the positions, but my two favorite was shortstop or center field. And the coach said, no, you're going to pitch. The coach, I don't want to pitch. Let Rex pitch. Rex pitched two days ago. You're pitching or you're not playing. And I pitched. The two hits shut out, and we won by two. I hit two dingers.
- [112:39]
Ryan Rosillo
So it was two zip.
- [112:40]
Bo Jackson
Two zip.
- [112:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Because the story that I had read was maybe it was after the decathlon, when you'd won your second state decathlon, that you hadn't pitched all season yet. Because, again, the overlap of the seasons. I mean, that. And then you went out and you struck out 13 because. And it was like, all right, fine. Even though you didn't like doing it.
- [113:02]
Julian Edelman
What?
- [113:02]
Ryan Rosillo
Your day must have been ridiculous. Like, whether it was at Auburn or high school, like, you. Did you ever have downtime?
- [113:12]
Bo Jackson
If I had downtime, that was a bad thing for me. I would do something to get in trouble.
- [113:20]
Ryan Rosillo
Like what?
- [113:21]
Bo Jackson
My mother always said, idle time on his hands is a dangerous thing. Idle time is a devil's workshop. So I had to keep myself busy because it wasn't anything to where the police would be involved or anything like that, but I would always be doing things that I didn't supposed to do. I was known for throwing rock. And I had a neighbor. If he pissed me off and he would always try to run home, I'd hit him in the head with a rock. Pop three stitches.
- [113:57]
Ryan Rosillo
And would you, like, let him get a little further away to see? Like, can I still get him from this? Like, did it become a challenge?
- [114:04]
Bo Jackson
Well, the guy, he lived my house. His grandmother's house was between my house and their house. And he would be over my yard playing, and he'd do something to piss me off. And he would always run home. And one day, between his house and his trailer, the big weeping willow tree, where you can see the top of it from my yard, over his grandmother's.
- [114:28]
Ceruti
House.
- [114:30]
Bo Jackson
And he did. And he did something and ticked me off and ran home. And he thought he was safe. And as he's running around the back of his mother's, his grandmother's house. To get to his house, I threw a rock up over his grandmother's house. Came down in that willow tree. Didn't hit a limb, and you couldn't see him, but you heard him scream, ah. A rock came out and hit him in the top of the head. And his grandmother got him. Got a white towel put on, and it's covered with blood. Came over to the house to show my mom. And I was a runner. So when it was time to get an ass whooping, my mom said. My mom would say, because I'm the eighth of 10 kids, she told my older brother and sister, but if you don't catch him, you're gonna take his ass whipping. And I take out. And if you've ever seen on, like the Serengeti, when they show the wild dogs chasing the deer, the antelope, and two dogs would chase the antelope, and then when they get tired, they would peel off and two fresh dogs would get on and they run that antelope until he just stops running because he's too tired. That's the way my brother and sister did me. They run me around the block. Then we get back past the house, they would peel off. Another brother and sister would get. And they would catch me on the other side, drag me through the woods between our house. And my mom would whip me in the front. She would get a switch and tear my butt up in the front yard. And the neighbors would hear all this commotion. They would come out on their porch with their dinners. He's fixing to get another ass whooping. Cause this would probably be the second or third ass whoop that week. So, yes, I was. That was me in a nutshell.
- [116:20]
Ryan Rosillo
Active kid.
- [116:21]
Bo Jackson
Active. Very active. So once I found sports, yeah. Able to make the grades to pay sport, it kept me out of trouble.
- [116:33]
Ryan Rosillo
Do you think Bear Bryant regretted telling you you wouldn't play as a freshman?
- [116:37]
Bo Jackson
It wasn't Bear Bryant. It was his. This is the coordinator.
- [116:40]
Ryan Rosillo
Because he called you, right? He called and then he sent the.
- [116:43]
Bo Jackson
D.C. he said he sent the defense coordinator. And the defense coordinator name was Ken Donahue. And he said if I were to go to Auburn, he said, Auburn. He said, son, Auburn hasn't beat Alabama since 1972, and they never will. I went to Auburn and shoved it up his butt.
- [117:07]
Ryan Rosillo
But you grew up a Bama fan, right?
- [117:08]
Bo Jackson
I grew up Obama fan. The next day when he said that to me in my laundry room, the next day, I took all my Bama gear put on the fire and burned it. Put on the fire and burn it. Because when he shook my hand after talking to me, because I just got home from a baseball game, I walked through the front door, he's sitting at the dining room table with my mother. I spoke, went downstairs to get my uniform out because I had a game the next day, put it in the laundry to wash. He came down and we talked. And after he told me what he said, he said, well, I'm gonna let you finish watching your uniform because I know you got a game tomorrow. And he said, vince, it's nice talking to you. So he shook my hand, and as he's shaking my hand, but I'm smiling, but I'm saying, you gotta be out your fucking mind if you think I'm gonna sit on your bench for two years.
- [118:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Cause that was the other thing. It was like maybe a little bit of sophomore year, but I didn't know.
- [118:09]
Bo Jackson
Until 10, 12 years later, they were recruiting me as a linebacker and I was the fastest kid in the state. So that didn't work out for them, but it worked out for me and Auburn, and that's just how the cars were dealt.
- [118:27]
Ryan Rosillo
Do you think Tampa did all that on purpose to have you take the physical so that you were ineligible?
- [118:36]
Bo Jackson
It wasn't the physical. It was the fact that you visited. They got me on Culverhouse's jet, which was a no, no. And they lied to me and said they had checked with the ncaa and they didn't. So after I found that out, I told him, I said, you screwed me out of my senior year because then.
- [118:59]
Ryan Rosillo
You were ineligible on baseball.
- [119:00]
Bo Jackson
Yeah, right. And the word out that year, the first three players that was going to be picked was me, Will Clark and Rafael Palmero because they both played at Mississippi State. And I told him, you screwed me out of my. My senior year in baseball. I said, you draft me, I'm going to screw you out of first round draft pick.
- [119:25]
Ryan Rosillo
They didn't believe you either. There's no way they believed you.
- [119:28]
Bo Jackson
No, because they were planning on giving me probably one of the biggest contracts in football, which was a $7 million deal. They said there's no way he going to turn out $7 million to accept $1 million contract. I did. It's not about the money. It's about your integrity. And if you don't got. If you don't got good integrity, then I don't want to deal with you.
- [119:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Because remember, I'm a kid. I get my Sports Illustrated that week. Bold move, bow on the COVID And I'm like, what's he doing? You're like bugging your dad going, how? Why did he like, what happened? Was it only about the. Because we didn't know that at the time. We didn't know about the Jack.
- [120:08]
Bo Jackson
It was a fact that they lied to me.
- [120:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Right, but was. If they hadn't done that to you.
- [120:14]
Bo Jackson
I probably would have been a Tampa Bay buccaneer.
- [120:16]
Ryan Rosillo
You would have done it. You would have done it. Right?
- [120:19]
Bo Jackson
Because I enjoyed my, my, my visit. I enjoyed my visit. Talk to. They had the Sammy Winders. They had all the guys, the linebackers. They. But they took me out. We had a nice time, took me to dinner. We went out clubbing and we had a nice time. And I get back to Auburn.
- [120:44]
Ryan Rosillo
I.
- [120:45]
Bo Jackson
Get back to Auburn on. I think I get back to Auburn on Sunday, get ready for a game on Monday, and I put my uniform on, walking into the ballpark, and the head coach stops me when I'm about to go in the dugout. He said, bo, can I talk to you? So we go behind the dugout. He said, did you take a trip to Tampa this past weekend? I said, yes, sir. He said, did you check with the ncaa? I said, yes, they checked and said the NCAA said that it was okay. And he looked at me and said, bo, they didn't check and the NCAA has declared you ineligible for the rest of your baseball year. I sit behind the dugout and cry. All my teammates pass by and they're wondering, we never seen him cry. Why is he crying? And then the coach told him, I walked back across the parking lot to the Coliseum to change. And as I'm walking across the field, I said, these son of a bitches screwed, man in my senior year just so they can make sure I come to them. I said, well, they screwed me out of my senior year. I'm gonna them out of a first round draft pick, and I'm a man of my word.
- [122:06]
Ryan Rosillo
That's such a great story. I mean, I hate it. I hate the story, but I love that as a college kid, you had that mentality already.
- [122:13]
Bo Jackson
With me, it's about integrity, honesty and integrity. And if you don't have those two.
- [122:19]
Ryan Rosillo
Things.
- [122:22]
Bo Jackson
You'Re not going to. You're. You're not going to last long.
- [122:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Do you watch football or baseball?
- [122:30]
Bo Jackson
A little. A little.
- [122:32]
Ryan Rosillo
That doesn't surprise me that I.
- [122:34]
Bo Jackson
But I know that the Seahawks and the Patriots are playing the Super Bowl.
- [122:40]
Ryan Rosillo
That's good prep. That's good prep for this Week.
- [122:42]
Bo Jackson
And I believe the Seahawks are going to win. They have a more balanced offense. They got a good running game, they got a good receiving game, and they got a bona fide defense. It takes that. It takes a complete package to win.
- [122:58]
Ryan Rosillo
I'll finish here. I didn't appreciate the White Sox years enough because I didn't. How was I going to know what you were going through again? I was in high school, and it's like, oh, man, he's going to. That. We're all like, he's coming back. You know, and then reading about it decades later, what you had to do to get back like that in itself. It doesn't matter about the stats. Like that is at that time, the early night, that's like a miracle. Well, for you to get back. And I think there's like, an incredible tie in, though, to what you're doing now in that, you know, you. You. You were somebody that. Well, go ahead. It sounded like you wanted to go somewhere for me.
- [123:40]
Bo Jackson
You should never allow someone to tell you what you can't do. I gotta find out on my own. That's just the way life is. I can't allow you to dictate how I'm gonna live my life. I gotta go out and make my own footsteps in the sand. And if I can't do that, then I'll look at alternative things. But let me do that on my own. Don't. Just because you're sitting there, just. You are a spectator, and you're trying to tell me how to do my job. No, it don't work in my life.
- [124:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Bo knows men's health, and I'm telling you, too. I know. For a bunch of years, I was like, you didn't get your shit done. You didn't get this done. You didn't get this done. And then when I finally. Last couple of years, like, went through the checklist, I'm not saying it was fun, but the peace of mind. The peace of mind was like a whole. I was like, wow, I was carrying a lot of this shit around. I wasn't even thinking about it.
- [124:44]
Bo Jackson
You don't want that.
- [124:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [124:46]
Bo Jackson
You don't want that little demon on your shoulder. And every time you look back, you could see him on your shoulder whispering in your ear and you worrying about that. But I say this. I want this podcast Bull knows men's health to be an avenue to where anybody can sit and look. Listen, I want to have it to where we travel around the country and do fireside chats. Men only from your mid-20s. Come to the podcast. We will ask you to donate five or ten bucks for the cause and have that money put in a trust for that local area to help pay for guys who can't afford to go get a PSA test to help guys who can't afford to get a colonoscopy work with the local doctors to where we give them the publicity for their business to bring them more patients. But yet you got to give these patients a discount.
- [125:58]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, that sounds like we'll come visit you when you come to Los Angeles. All right, Bo.
- [126:02]
Bo Jackson
There you go.
- [126:03]
Ryan Rosillo
All right.
- [126:03]
Bo Jackson
Bring everybody. Let everybody know, because that's what I'm about.
- [126:07]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, man. Well, enjoy. Yeah, yeah.
- [126:08]
Bo Jackson
It's called putting some sunshine in somebody's cloud.
- [126:12]
Ryan Rosillo
This is a lot of fun today, so thank you. I know you got a busy day. Enjoy the rest of the week, and we'll let you know who won the game. All right.
- [126:18]
Bo Jackson
Thank you very much. No, but my wife will probably make me sit in the room and with her to watch it, but I'll have my iPad out looking at areas where I can go bow fishing this spring.
- [126:31]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that's what I figured. I've watched enough stuff on you to know that was the deal. The great Bo Jackson. Thanks, man.
- [126:37]
Bo Jackson
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
- [126:40]
Ryan Rosillo
The alliance marches on. San Francisco. Super Bowl 60. Seattle, New England. Everyone is on the Seahawks. Everyone is on the Seahawks except for our guy Kyle. You care?
- [126:54]
Ceruti
Are you rooting for anybody?
- [126:56]
Ryan Rosillo
I know this always shocks everybody, and I do think it's really funny when somebody's like, oh, what about your Patriots loser? Like, find a new slant.
- [127:05]
Kyle
Just you and Tom Brady don't have a dollar.
- [127:07]
Ryan Rosillo
It's totally normal. Yeah, it was more of a Brady thing. I think the roster Seattle has of the top 30 guys, probably 18 of the 30. I. I don't think there's much comp as far as, like, I think the talent gap is significant between these two teams, but so many people are on the Patriots or so many people are on the Seahawks that I'm starting to, like, just go, what if. Not. What if the Patriots get a little sneaky here?
- [127:31]
Kyle
Ever heard of some of the parts, you know, Ever heard of that? That's a good old statement.
- [127:34]
Ceruti
There's. I don't know the exact stat, but, like, there's something of, like, if you're an underdog of more than a field goal, it doesn't happen often. Hasn't happened, like, in recent. I think, the last few Super Bowls, it actually is in favor of the Patriots. Winning outright. Like the history will tell you that those teams win outright. Better underdogs and more than a field goal.
- [127:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I'm going to pick the Pats just because I'm going to. I'm going to fade this shift. It's overwhelming, and I do think Seattle's the better football team. And I didn't think that I would pick New England. And this also can be like boots on the ground. Just like Seahawks, Seahawks, Seahawks, Seahawks. Constantly, I'm picking New England.
- [128:06]
Kyle
I don't know if I'll be a great last day.
- [128:08]
Ryan Rosillo
Hell, yeah, dude. I'm going to mix it up. I don't always. Sometimes I'm such a talent whore. Yeah. All right, let's do the Alliance.
- [128:17]
Ceruti
All right, well, Kyle, lead us off. Why not? You're undefeated.
- [128:21]
Kyle
I am undefeated. And honestly, I'm going to take away my Drake May rushing touchdown. I'm just going to take the Pat's money line. Okay, Sorry. I know we had it all worked out, but that fired me up right there.
- [128:33]
Ceruti
I'm not mad about it.
- [128:34]
Kyle
Points.
- [128:34]
Ryan Rosillo
Maybe it was because of the. Just need one more Donald oblique. And then he had a quote about it, and then he didn't have a full day of practice. I'm like, it's Wednesday.
- [128:41]
Ceruti
We're.
- [128:42]
Ryan Rosillo
We're talking about this.
- [128:45]
Ceruti
So, yeah, Pat's money line is plus 190.
- [128:49]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, what's the line? Is it still four and a half?
- [128:52]
Ceruti
Four and a half? Yep.
- [128:54]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, I'm gonna go.
- [128:57]
Ceruti
I don't know.
- [128:58]
Ryan Rosillo
I.
- [129:00]
Ceruti
I like the Seahawks, but I'm not. I don't want to root against Kyle, so I'm not going to pick, and I don't. It is what it is. But I do think they're going to have a lot of trouble, the Seahawks running the ball against the Pats. I don't think they're gonna let them do that. And even if they're down, up or down, I think Seattle's gonna have to pass the ball. So I'm gonna go. Sam Darnold. I'm not worried about the, hey, you know, seeing ghost thing. You know, 2.0. Maybe I'll be wrong. 220 or more passing yards. I think they're gonna have to throw the ball to win the game, and then if they're down, they're gonna have.
- [129:22]
Ryan Rosillo
To throw the ball, too.
- [129:23]
Ceruti
So there you go.
- [129:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, I'll stay with that then. Because I think that they're gonna try to limit jsn. You know, who knows? He could break a couple and still have A really nice stat profile, but I think Cooper's good for over 37 and a half yards. So I'm going over Cooper Cup. 37 and a half based on game planning. Yep.
- [129:41]
Ceruti
And that pays out almost six to one.
- [129:43]
Ryan Rosillo
That one.
- [129:44]
Ceruti
Yeah. Past body line helps us out there. Get them out. Thanks.
- [129:47]
Kyle
30 profit. Boost that, dude.
- [129:48]
Ceruti
Get some room for the paths. There you go.
- [129:50]
Ryan Rosillo
All right. So you're not picking the game.
- [129:54]
Chris Mannix
You.
- [129:54]
Ryan Rosillo
You know what? Stay there. I want you to not pick one.
- [129:56]
Ceruti
You want me to make Kyle upset?
- [129:58]
Ryan Rosillo
No, I don't. No, no. I think this is funny for you to not. I can't believe that I've, I've come back around on it, but I just went like.
- [130:06]
Kyle
Right.
- [130:06]
Ceruti
I will say this. I feel like. Doesn't it feel like Seattle either probably WINS by like 10 or more or the Pats win?
- [130:13]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I mean, I think the Pat's path was like, whether it was a schedule or whatever was left of the Chargers. And then the Houston game was a mess. And then it's like, okay, well, you're not going to give us any credit for all the turnovers. I'm like, actually half of them. No, I think Stroud was a disaster. And then it's Stidham who played exactly how I expected him to play after the deep shot. And then the snow just cancels out everything. So I, I could do this all day where I'm like, you don't have to. This is going to be a massive witness. No, I'm, I'm like, as I've thought about the game, like originally it was this going to be a massive wake up call for the Patriots and Seattle's far more talented.
- [130:49]
Ceruti
The element thing was interesting though, because he was like, McDaniel's done this 10 times. Brable's done this. Like that. That actually because Steve Young came in here on Monday and was like, oh, you know, Seahawks, whatever. It's going to not, you know, whatever, it's going to be a blowout. And the Edelman thing, I know he's a homer and obviously he's got a dog in the race. Shout out to Tom Brady. I don't know. I was like, yeah, that actually does make sense. Like they've been here before.
- [131:09]
Ryan Rosillo
I didn't even think about it because we had Edelman and Vince in the game or in the room talking about the game. So I, I sometimes maybe it's like, oh, just osmosis. You just. But I don't, I don't think maybe Edelman flipped you. I think. I don't think it's Edelman at all. I think it's walking around here and then doing some preview stuff. This morning I was like, God, I was like, I like Seattle. I think they're the better team. I'm like, but this is kind of getting out of hand, so I'm going to go the other way with it.
- [131:35]
Kyle
Love that.
- [131:35]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. All right. So that's the alliance. Check out the Latest odds on DraftKings. You want details? Buy I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.
- [131:44]
Chris Mannix
What's up?
- [131:46]
Ryan Rosillo
I have a ridiculous house in the south fork.
- [131:49]
Chris Mannix
I have every toy you can possibly imagine. And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible.
- [131:57]
Ryan Rosillo
Let me tell you what's required. Life advice Email address life advice bites rr gmail.com we are in the studio here in San francisco Thanks to DraftKings and raising canes once again as we finish up the week. We've got Ceruti, we've got Kyle. We get Kevin back there. And I guess I should thank Tom, but I. Because he's not with us. He's still alive.
- [132:17]
Ceruti
He's grinding back.
- [132:17]
Ryan Rosillo
He's grinding. He's back at hq. Little recap. What do we got? How is everyone?
- [132:23]
Kyle
I'm tired, man. I'm not just gonna be honest with you.
- [132:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [132:28]
Kyle
I've been trying to be on for this whole time. I think I did a reasonably good job, but I'm really starting to feel like I'm getting older. It could just be that it really feels like we've been here since Sunday.
- [132:37]
Ryan Rosillo
Cause it's true. We have been here since Sunday.
- [132:39]
Kyle
And I was here, like a full day.
- [132:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Sunday.
- [132:41]
Ceruti
You started. It was a hot start for you.
- [132:44]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [132:45]
Kyle
But, you know, I recognize this is a very important trip. And I don't know how often we're gonna be traveling for work, seeing how spread out we are and stuff. And you've been incredibly generous this week. You've just been like an A1 version of yourself when it comes to me. So I just realized the importance of this trip. So. You know what? Sometimes he heard the criticism. You gotta lay it all out there. You gotta lay it all out there. And we'll do it again tonight.
- [133:08]
Ryan Rosillo
And then last night is tonight. Yeah, we're gonna fucking stop.
- [133:11]
Kyle
Heard a few things for a long time.
- [133:13]
Ceruti
I'm tired. Sleep has been weird. But last night was the first night where I was like, I didn't, like, stay out late. You did. I leave.
- [133:19]
Ryan Rosillo
Right.
- [133:19]
Ceruti
I. I got home at nine every single night. And I was just like, I can't. I'm done. I didn't want to text any. I was, like, hoping you guys wouldn't text me. I'm like, I'm just gonna go to bed or try to go to bed.
- [133:26]
Kyle
Yeah, you were not. You were non committal.
- [133:28]
Ceruti
No, it's fine.
- [133:29]
Kyle
You were non committal.
- [133:30]
Ceruti
Episode of pluris. And I passed out.
- [133:31]
Kyle
Yeah, I've been. Ryan. I was talking to security guys yesterday who I've been getting along really well with.
- [133:36]
Ryan Rosillo
I can see that.
- [133:37]
Kyle
Shout out to Mark and Jose. But Ryan was like, hey, dude, I'm going to dinner. And then I'm not sure. I'm like, it seems like everyone's afraid I'm gonna, like, jump on their thing, so. But it's all right.
- [133:47]
Ryan Rosillo
There's a lot.
- [133:48]
Ceruti
There was a lot of sure, though. And I'm not sure. It's like, all right, leave Ryan. Yeah, I'm not really sure.
- [133:53]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, well, yeah, I did. I did a. Like, I feel like the trade deadlines happened without me because we're taping so much. You've been stressed a little bit. Yeah, I just feel like I'm not as locked in as I normally am. And so then on top of that, like, I know we're all. But look, we. We did Sunday dinner, we did Monday dinner, Tuesday game. So then last night I was like, I gotta get.
- [134:15]
Kyle
You've been crushing it with me.
- [134:17]
Ryan Rosillo
And then I. Big Cat and I were texting, like, he was like, everybody was going to the Kelsey party. And then nobody really knew who was invited. So then I was going to do part of my take. And then part of it was like, hey, why don't you come to the Rao's dinner tonight with me? But I thought I was going tonight. So I'm like, well, I'm not going to go two nights. I don't even think I'm invited either night. Unless I go with Van Pelt, because I'm not in the private jet world as of now. But don't put a salary cap on your life. And next thing I know, I like. I mean, it's just out of central. Like, I just got so locked into getting caught up in the NBA. I grabbed takeout and then I saw Kyle and I'm like, walking around and I was just like, look, I'm not. I don't think I'm doing anything.
- [134:59]
Kyle
He really put his hands up.
- [135:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [135:01]
Kyle
And this is right after Mark. Titus is like, I don't know, bro. My feet hurt. And I'm like, all Right. Everyone's just let me down real easy today.
- [135:06]
Ryan Rosillo
So hurting is a way worse. Excuse.
- [135:11]
Ceruti
Me.
- [135:11]
Ryan Rosillo
But then, then Big Cat was like, I think I'm out. But then I'm like, I don't really know what's going on. And then I. The, the one that sucked is Stanford. Steve hits me up at like 10 and he's like, are you going to this party? And I go, God. So. But that's kind of the way it works. It's just there's between the super bowl thing and the trade deadline, it's. It's.
- [135:32]
Ceruti
Well, Kyle. Sounds like Kyle had a good night with Stephen Che last night.
- [135:35]
Kyle
Yeah, I bounced around actually. There was a couple. There was like a gang of dudes. Hogdale. Me and him walked up a huge fucking hill last night. That was crazy. We kind of like had each other's backs, you know. It was like one of those massive hills that you see in like the movies. We still got there before the Uber guys did. You know, we.
- [135:54]
Ceruti
So we even talked about the jersey today.
- [135:57]
Kyle
What's there to talk about?
- [135:58]
Ryan Rosillo
Did you buy that?
- [135:58]
Ceruti
It's a real one Recently?
- [136:00]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [136:01]
Kyle
Oh yeah. This is before the season.
- [136:03]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, it looks.
- [136:04]
Kyle
Because I've been spilling shit on it every week.
- [136:06]
Ceruti
It's got some stains.
- [136:07]
Kyle
I've gotten it dry cleaned twice this season actually.
- [136:09]
Ceruti
Not grass.
- [136:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Just feel like it should be dry clean before the big one.
- [136:14]
Kyle
No, I don't think so.
- [136:15]
Ryan Rosillo
Actually.
- [136:15]
Kyle
Gritty. That's how we're going to get it.
- [136:17]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Okay.
- [136:18]
Kyle
Out the mud.
- [136:18]
Ceruti
You want to be too clean. I get. That's like sneakers.
- [136:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, so we get some emails here. Allergic to water. Follow up. Yeah, you write that. I'm reading it. Doesn't matter. Six. Three on a good day. 250. Just turned 23. Went from eight out of 10 from deep in a three. Wow. Game or run a couple years ago just to make sure I still have it. Yeah, but that's a three game run. Playing to elevens. Ones and twos. You know. Ate it. That's. Yeah, that's. That's lighting it up. Just scrolled through the apps and came across a girl's. That's bio. Said water makes my skin break out in hives when splashed.
- [136:53]
Ceruti
Or.
- [136:53]
Ryan Rosillo
Or it gets on it for too long and just thought that might be the worst bio ever instead of really into the opera or some other turnoff. I'm not sure if it could be any worse than that. It's also common for something like this. But it made me laugh so I thought I'd Share. All right, yeah, keep. We've got three people now that are apparently allergic to water, so we'll see how that just raise an awareness.
- [137:12]
Ceruti
For the record, Outsider Mike said it wasn't an allergy. He just said his body rejects it. So I don't know if that means it's IF so much funnier or whatever.
- [137:20]
Ryan Rosillo
But he said his body would respond.
- [137:22]
Ceruti
And he did hit me up. I was confused, too, because I don't think I was following him. And I was like, wait, did I. Why would I unfollow Outsider Mike? I think he had a situation where his original account got taken away. Something happened, Violation, shocker, something with Russia started from zero. So he's probably looking for all the shots that he can get.
- [137:38]
Ryan Rosillo
But, yeah, all right, well, rejects it.
- [137:43]
Ceruti
I have a little side note on that. One of my dogs is allergic to grass.
- [137:48]
Kyle
Which kind. Sometimes there's like, the. The filthy grass will, like, what are.
- [137:52]
Ceruti
The one that we have? The grass that we have.
- [137:54]
Ryan Rosillo
So we have to like the grass that I put in.
- [137:56]
Ceruti
And I was like that. Could you imagine, like, this dog out in the wild, you know, 100, 200 years ago? It's like, what? How does that even happen, dude?
- [138:02]
Kyle
Talk about rabbits, dude. I mean, it's like I hear all the things, and they have to be this specific temperature, and I'm just like.
- [138:08]
Ceruti
Come on, are you guys. Yeah, like, you're wild animals. Like, what are we doing?
- [138:11]
Kyle
Yeah.
- [138:11]
Ceruti
Yeah.
- [138:12]
Kyle
They think in the hole on the ground, it's going to be.
- [138:14]
Ceruti
I'm too domesticated now, but, yeah, so I used to have pills and shots.
- [138:17]
Ryan Rosillo
And all this stuff.
- [138:17]
Ceruti
Good times.
- [138:18]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, let's do. Let's stay with the naming theory here. Or theme, I guess I should say. I was listening to a life advice segment about the guy I wanted to name his son Jack Hammer. It inspired me to write this email. If you're ever looking for a quick, fun piece of life advice to end an episode, this might be one. And no, this is not fake. Thanks. I guess we're starting with it today. I don't have impressive gym stats, so let's just say I'm not strong. One of my close buddies is having another kid, and whenever a baby name conversation comes up, which isn't often, I always say that if I were ever blessed with twin boys, I'd want to name them Mario and Luigi. Well, our guy emailing his name is Mario. Apparently. I always like my name growing up. And of course, I heard all the usual lines. Hey, where's Luigi? Or it's a me, a Mario. About 20 years ago in high school, during a basketball game against a rival school, some of their students dressed up at the Mario Mario Brothers characters and were yelling during the game. Take a picture with us. I thought it was funny. Well, wait a minute, dude. If people were dressing as Mario, it's kind of sick because you were on the other team. This guy might have had some stats.
- [139:20]
Kyle
Yeah, the juice.
- [139:21]
Ryan Rosillo
I didn't think you're doing that to the guy handing out waters. I tell that story to show that stuff like this never bothered me. But whenever I mentioned the idea of naming twins Mario and Luigi, I get weird looks like or comments like you can't do that to those kids. Granted, this will probably never actually happen. I'm fully in my I'd rather be alone than annoyed phase of life. But I still think it would be awesome and a great icebreaker for them as they go through life. So my question is, so the three of you, am I insane for thinking this is a good idea? P.S. i predict Kyle will love it. Ryan will, Steve will think I'm insane. All right, let's just do the math quick. I don't know that you need to worry about this. Chances are you're not going to have to worry about.
- [140:04]
Kyle
Dude's gonna have kids forever.
- [140:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Dude. I mean that's the thing.
- [140:07]
Julian Edelman
True.
- [140:07]
Ryan Rosillo
But twins?
- [140:08]
Kyle
Look at De Niro.
- [140:09]
Ryan Rosillo
You're gonna thread that needle.
- [140:11]
Ceruti
Maybe he's got in his family that's Pacino.
- [140:13]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know pacino.
- [140:16]
Kyle
Somebody's like 85 and a brand new dad. I don't know. One of those two.
- [140:19]
Ceruti
I think it was.
- [140:19]
Ryan Rosillo
But you, I mean, I know there's a ton of inheritance there, but like, I don't know, I feel like that's a little rough for the kid if you're gonna do it. I mean, I don't know how many 85 year old listeners that are brand new dads that are going to email the show. So I imagine somebody's gonna defend it. But I think it's kind of up. But I would agree it's.
- [140:35]
Ceruti
I mean, you know, he's Al Pacino. He could do he wants assuming it's him. But you know, what do you.
- [140:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Do we even know that it's Al Pacino?
- [140:40]
Ceruti
I think it is Al Pacino.
- [140:41]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm pretty sure. I'm almost positive research on that. Yeah.
- [140:45]
Ceruti
But back to the Luigi Mario thing. I got a good friend named Luigi.
- [140:49]
Kyle
I like that you're thinking about starting your kids lives with a bit. I think that's funny.
- [140:56]
Ceruti
I don't want to have kids.
- [140:57]
Kyle
But also the thing that I would say is I think people in high school are nicer to each other than.
- [141:03]
Ryan Rosillo
They used to be.
- [141:05]
Kyle
I've seen a couple different kids in my family go to a couple different high schools, and it just seems like the vibe there is nicer. Maybe cyberbullying's a thing, but I just think the general face to face, it seems like everyone's all sort of rowing in the same direction now.
- [141:22]
Ceruti
That reminds me of the cyberbullying. Who is the comedian that was like, well, how is cyberbullying, like, real? Just like, shut your phone off or close your laptop, like, get offline.
- [141:30]
Ryan Rosillo
There's a comedian that did a thing about why we should start bullying more, and it's actually like, incredible. Granted, comedians can get away with it. If I did it as a monologue, it might not go over that well because bowling's tough. I have no insight on this at all.
- [141:45]
Kyle
It's just I don't have stats. I'm just. I'm getting the vibe that things are a little bit.
- [141:48]
Ryan Rosillo
You're just getting a general. How much polling have we done here?
- [141:51]
Ceruti
I spent a lot of time around high schools. I just think, you know, it's not as bad. I will say, like, all right, well.
- [141:56]
Ryan Rosillo
I knew that was coming.
- [141:58]
Ceruti
I do feel like they're like, you watch, like, movies now though, too, and you're like, I don't ever remember high school being this insane. I mean, I wasn't like, I was like, in the cool crowd. Ish. But, like, wasn't the coolest kid. You know, I was like, in that secondary, like, still kind of did some dirty things, but was friendly with the cool guys. But I don't think I ever saw even, like, the. The top tier popular people, like, be just so mean. And maybe I don't. Who knows, maybe Southington, Connecticut. We had, you know, we were just a little bit more loving all around. But I just don't feel. I feel like it's always depicted way more aggressively. Do you disagree? I feel like it's always depicted way more aggressively.
- [142:27]
Kyle
I went to a really big high school and, like, you could find pockets of like, almost like, don't go down that street. Because it was that big of a high school.
- [142:36]
Ceruti
There's a group of lockers that you just stay away from.
- [142:38]
Ryan Rosillo
Just don't, bro.
- [142:39]
Kyle
Go downstairs and come back up.
- [142:42]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I got fucked with because of basketball because I came in late and there was this one kid shout out to Savage who he Used to just like, I forget. I think I know what he said to me, and I don't even want to repeat it, but it was like, I'm skinny kid. And that was. Thought the basketball thing was going to work out. We've already covered that Hoosiers podcast, so check that out. And he said some horrific to me. Oh. And I was like. I mean, like, weird. Like, I was, I'm gonna do this to you or something. Then I was like, all right, whatever. And then I filled out. It was great. Came back to visit years later.
- [143:23]
Julian Edelman
So.
- [143:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I don't. I don't know. Look, I would say a general, like, thing that needs to happen, but it isn't because babies are so young and they can't talk, but there needs to be some sort of child rights thing on. Like, you know, it's their name. They're the one that's going to have this name. This isn't your fucking. This isn't an activity.
- [143:46]
Bo Jackson
Yeah.
- [143:46]
Ryan Rosillo
This isn't something you just get to, like, have fun with. And there's way too much naming right now where, like, you're treating it like naming, you know, a beach house or some fucking mountain villa. Like, oh, this is. This is white caps. You know, like, what was it? I mean, that's a white person thing. Naming houses. Like, that's about as white as it gets. But I. I just see some of these names now, and it's like, you know, like, this is a person. It's a real person.
- [144:13]
Ceruti
It's not an accessory that you just parade around.
- [144:16]
Chris Mannix
Exactly.
- [144:16]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I. I don't know how you would start that advocacy group, but.
- [144:20]
Ceruti
Well, I think in Australia, there are, like, a bunch of names that are just illegal.
- [144:24]
Ryan Rosillo
I love that.
- [144:25]
Ceruti
And I actually am not against that.
- [144:26]
Ryan Rosillo
No.
- [144:27]
Ceruti
Typically, I'm, you know, hey, just stay out of our business. But, like. Yeah, all right, that makes sense. I mean, they're aggressive. Yeah. But, like, I don't think there are any names that are illegal in the States. But there. There's like, a bunch.
- [144:37]
Ryan Rosillo
There should be a few or spellings where you go, what are you doing? Yeah, that doesn't.
- [144:41]
Kyle
Oh, why? Doesn't go there.
- [144:42]
Ryan Rosillo
That doesn't make any sense.
- [144:44]
Ceruti
Yeah, I would agree.
- [144:45]
Kyle
Too many G's and H's in this dude's name.
- [144:48]
Ceruti
Oh, yeah. Ashley. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's kind of over, though, now. I feel like we're going to, like, the more. I mean, because obviously my wife and I just had kids. It's more like the traditional names are kind of coming back into it, you know, Alice is a big one.
- [144:59]
Kyle
Some barbs running around maybe now I.
- [145:01]
Ceruti
Don'T know about, but I haven't heard Barbara.
- [145:03]
Ryan Rosillo
But, like, I haven't heard a lot.
- [145:04]
Ceruti
Of those, like, you know, early 19th century names that are, like, very, you know, seem very classy, are like, kind of back in.
- [145:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, is anybody named Dorothy anymore?
- [145:13]
Ceruti
Yeah. Dot.
- [145:15]
Ryan Rosillo
Dot, you're saying?
- [145:16]
Kyle
Yes.
- [145:17]
Ceruti
I don't know any baby Dorothy's. No, but I do know a lot of Alice's. I'm trying to think of, like, another decent one, but, like, yeah, I think that's cool. Like, it's coming back to be a little bit more classical and, you know, whatever.
- [145:28]
Kyle
All right.
- [145:28]
Julian Edelman
Traditional Cerruti.
- [145:29]
Ceruti
Quick aside. Al Pacino did have his fourth child in 2023 when he was 83 years old.
- [145:36]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay. Yeah, so you guys nailed the math there.
- [145:39]
Ceruti
That sucks.
- [145:42]
Kyle
Played football in high school with a dude whose dad is like, 78. And we didn't know for a long time. And he got out at practice one day and basically was like, hi, I'm Shane's dad. And we were stunned. We were like, do we even talk to him about this later? He's like, yeah, we brought it up. He's like, yeah, it's pretty shocking. I know.
- [146:00]
Ceruti
Yeah, it's a tough one. I don't know.
- [146:02]
Ryan Rosillo
This life advice is hitting a little close to home.
- [146:04]
Kyle
Sorry.
- [146:05]
Ryan Rosillo
So sorry. You don't have to say you're sorry. I'm just imagining if I do it, like, hey, good game.
- [146:13]
Ceruti
Well, I think we all sort of.
- [146:17]
Ryan Rosillo
Guys are pretty good on third down. It's something I used to track. All right, here we go. Friend. Smelly brother keeps asking to hang out. Five, eleven and a half. This guy's a real stickler. Five eleven and a half. 200 pounds. 335 max. Bench player comp. Late stage Dante Jones. I'll jump into this. I have a friend a few years older than me. Let's call him Mike. I met Mike through my older brother, who Mike is also friends with. At this point, we're able to figure that one out. But thanks. At this point, Mike and I have been good friends for almost a decade. Before last year, I knew Mike had a brother my age named Frank. Oh, that's always a weird dynamic. You become friends with your brother's age friend, but then he has a brother that's your age, and you're like, I.
- [147:01]
Kyle
Don'T want any part of this.
- [147:02]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, sorry. That the math actually aligns. And this is how it was supposed to go. But we're not doing this. He's got a brother my age named Frank, but I never met him. About last year, Mike starts bringing Frank around. Frank's a nice guy, but he's also pretty socially awkward and has a very noticeable stench. If he were a cartoon character, he would have green lines protruding from his body at all times. Every few times I'd have Mike over, he'd bring Frank. He's not really contributing conversations and I need to disinfect everything within six feet on the couch. The whole time, you're just like a joke. Outside of his scent, I'm not very bothered by Frank. When we were in larger group settings, say eight people or more bowed. Over the last six months, Frank has texted me several times, trying to hang out with him one on ones or with him and his friend Jeff, who I know separately from the neighborhood. Knowing Jeff, I doubt they're actually friends. Nonetheless, I'm not friends with Jeff either. It's got to the point where Frank will call me every week. Sometimes multiple times a week. Week. I've not answered any of these calls and texted him several times between grad school and planning my wedding. Dude, you have plenty of outs here. Yeah, it'd be tough to hang out just two or three of us. But he persists. Mike came over last weekend for a party and brought Frank. I received comments from multiple people who Frank had never met before that he smells. My fiance needed to light a candle, turn on a frame, and spray the room down while he was there for less people to notice. My friend also told me that while bending over to pick up something, he noticed that Frank was not wearing underpants.
- [148:28]
Kyle
Maybe they were just like sliding down sometimes.
- [148:31]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, happens.
- [148:32]
Kyle
I got a pair of sweats that just. I don't know what to do. I. I go pick something up. It's like my pants are up, but the. The draws are like down.
- [148:38]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know.
- [148:40]
Ceruti
Good to know.
- [148:40]
Kyle
It's weird.
- [148:41]
Ryan Rosillo
No, I know. Take those back.
- [148:43]
Kyle
I wish I didn't say any of that, actually. I don't know why.
- [148:45]
Ryan Rosillo
What do you say when you take them back? So here's the deal. Mike is a really good friend of mine. I do not mind Frank coming to my place. We have several people over on the conditions that he is showered and fully clothed. Also not the type of person to be a dick to a nice and troubled guy. So I don't want to tell Frank that we will never hang out and that he is not my friend. My fiance thinks I should speak to Mike about this, but I'm worried he'll take Frank's side as Frank is his brother. Sounds like you got a classic Mike and Frank on your hands. I mean, look, it's not your. I think what you're saying here, and I think everybody has, you know, either a relative, a brother, sister, or that friend that is a little socially awkward. And you, you can see it. Like, it, I'll admit it, like, will bum me out when I see a guy, especially even later in life. And you're just like, damn, man. Like that poor. Like, you know, you don't want to walk around feeling sorry for everybody every day because that's a waste of time too. But there'll just be moments every now and then where you can seem like that guy's probably had a pretty tough. Like, it's just whatever the programming is, it's a little bit off with him. Doesn't mean he's evil, doesn't mean he's a bad guy. And yeah, then it's like, so now what? Because you didn't have any friends all of this time because of your awkwardness, which is basically, you want to get back to high school. Like, you're just gonna. Nobody's gonna hang with you. Nobody wants to, like, hang with. Unless you just go full into like that corner of the cafeteria with all the other guys that are rejected. I mean, this is mean sighting that happens in life. And then you see somebody who kind of like breaks out of it and you're like, hey, maybe I'm out of this. And it's like, well, it's not really any different because you haven't made any friends. You didn't make any friends in college and all this kind of stuff. So I, I think about that guy whenever I see like a version of it where it's pretty obvious. And you're like, that sucks. That's. That would suck to go through life and not have any close friends. I don't feel so bad. I want to fucking invite the guy to my house. Right. And that's the other thing that you have to remind yourself of. Like, it's not necessarily your responsibility.
- [150:44]
Ceruti
So everything else.
- [150:46]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [150:46]
Ceruti
Like, you can control what you control. Yeah.
- [150:48]
Ryan Rosillo
So I would say, you know, stay in this soft rejection lane that you're in.
- [150:52]
Kyle
Yeah, you're already doing the thing. Yeah, you're already doing the thing.
- [150:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, you're. You're doing a lot. You're doing more than a lot of people would do. And you don't have to make it awkward with the brother because the brother fucking Knows the brother knows.
- [151:03]
Ceruti
What can you do? At least, I mean, he was like, hey, was it the wife that was like, don't bother him because it's going to be his brother? I. I feel like it's. It's okay. Asking the brother to be like, hey, is this like a normal thing that he does? Because, like, I'm not trying to be an ass, but, like, I'm not gonna hang out with him on his own. Like, does this stop eventually? Like, you could. I feel like you could ask some questions of the brother and not be a dick about not wanting to hang out with his brother.
- [151:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, probably. Especially if you already have. Like, it's not like you and the older brother are good friends.
- [151:28]
Ceruti
Yeah. Like, it's fair to just be like, what's the deal here? Like, yeah, you know, like, I'm not trying to be. I'm trying to be nice.
- [151:33]
Ryan Rosillo
But honestly, the Mike should be telling you, like, hey, here's the deal with Frank.
- [151:38]
Ceruti
Maybe he doesn't know. He doesn't know it's going down.
- [151:40]
Ryan Rosillo
You know, he doesn't know that his brother doesn't bathe himself.
- [151:42]
Ceruti
Oh, I thought you talking about that he's hitting you up all the time. Oh, yeah, the bathing thing.
- [151:46]
Ryan Rosillo
What, would you rather him stop texting or start bathing?
- [151:48]
Ceruti
Stop texting, it sounds like.
- [151:50]
Kyle
Stop texting.
- [151:50]
Ceruti
Yeah, I.
- [151:51]
Kyle
And the bathing thing's probably not going to happen, I'd say.
- [151:53]
Ryan Rosillo
Who knows, though? The bathing thing could change everything around for this guy.
- [151:56]
Kyle
There's a couple dudes in my life that are chronic smellers, and there's nothing that's going to happen. Some people, some of them are real close to me.
- [152:06]
Ceruti
It's got a musk about them.
- [152:07]
Kyle
And it's just how it is, man.
- [152:09]
Ryan Rosillo
It's not a natural musk.
- [152:10]
Kyle
And I've just learned to hold my breath when I give him a hug. And there's not. Like, I'm not going to. There's no rules.
- [152:18]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, hey, too bad it's not the 1800s, settling the west or something. Those guys would fit right in. People didn't bathe, like, maybe once every six weeks, like in a submarine.
- [152:28]
Ceruti
Yeah, yeah.
- [152:29]
Kyle
It's just that it's just a way of life for some dudes. It's like a lifestyle. Like, there's nothing that we're gonna.
- [152:35]
Ryan Rosillo
It's a really bad lifestyle.
- [152:36]
Kyle
It's terrible. It's terrible.
- [152:37]
Ryan Rosillo
But why wouldn't you want to feel clean?
- [152:40]
Ceruti
Well, usually if you smell bad, too, there might be some sort of, like.
- [152:43]
Kyle
Medical dude's got A glandular problem maybe, you know?
- [152:46]
Ceruti
Yeah, like, you know, something's probably also wrong.
- [152:49]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, but I don't know. I mean, remember like being a kid and playing like with men in pickup games and you go to box out and you like, what, like, is that going to happen to me? Like, what, what happened to you?
- [153:03]
Kyle
Yeah, it's just part of it. But I was going to say don't let that get in the way of your friendship. But he doesn't want to be friends with him, so the, the point is moot.
- [153:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Ignoring text is not wrong.
- [153:14]
Ceruti
No, it like answer one of her before.
- [153:17]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, he's calling. You got to be calling insane. You've got to be real locked in with a guy to be calling them. Y. I'm guilty of everything.
- [153:24]
Ceruti
I don't call people that I love.
- [153:28]
Kyle
I, I call too much.
- [153:29]
Ryan Rosillo
I gotta stop doing that.
- [153:30]
Ceruti
Well, that's so, that's not true though. I, I, if I need to get something done, I'll call you or call you.
- [153:34]
Ryan Rosillo
But like, we don't count. We work together to be like, hey, what's up?
- [153:38]
Ceruti
I don't, no, I'm good.
- [153:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Our workforce is three people. We're allowed, like, our rules don't apply.
- [153:43]
Ceruti
I'm just saying to Kyle, like, how it can call me, it's fine.
- [153:45]
Kyle
But like when it's 9 o', clock, you know what the going on?
- [153:48]
Ceruti
Well, yeah, you'll call me in the kid in the kid zone of like bed and I'm like, Kyle, like, I can't.
- [153:53]
Kyle
Like, why the did I call him?
- [153:54]
Ceruti
That's all right.
- [153:54]
Kyle
I didn't even have anything to say.
- [153:55]
Ceruti
That's all right. That I don't, that I'm not mad about.
- [153:58]
Ryan Rosillo
There'll be times I actually can be guilty of. Like, if it's somebody who I do like, like and want to catch up with it. And then it's just text barrage, text barrage. I'll just go, can we hash this out on the phone for 10 minutes? Because, like, I feel like texting.
- [154:10]
Ceruti
I hate it.
- [154:11]
Ryan Rosillo
It's harder for me to text and watch a game. It's easier for me to be on the phone on speakerphone and watch. Totally, yeah. Which is all right. I think you guys nailed that one. I think we're good. And you know, who knows?
- [154:24]
Ceruti
Maybe, by the way, Smallman texted me yesterday. She was upset with how she answered the, the parent with the gift, the photo thing. She said she should have been way harsher on the mom and that if it's a gift that then they need to basically F off and like, leave him alone.
- [154:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Smallman.
- [154:40]
Ceruti
Yeah.
- [154:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Paperback.
- [154:41]
Kyle
She was kept up nights about this.
- [154:43]
Ceruti
So that's why she was up late.
- [154:45]
Ryan Rosillo
She was definitely kept up nice because she's getting a pat. 12:30 in the morning to go to work.
- [154:49]
Kyle
Yeah.
- [154:50]
Ceruti
But no, that's. I was like, that's the difficulty sometimes with life advice. You're getting this, like, right off the, you know, there's no time to really think about it. 24 hours later, I might have a different answer for you.
- [154:58]
Kyle
But, yeah, I make an ass of myself regularly and I'm like, man, I wish I had that one back.
- [155:01]
Ryan Rosillo
So, yeah, welcome to the game, Chisel. The first time, you shouldn't worry about it too much. That'll do it for the show. Thanks to Tom, thanks to Kevin, thanks to Rudy, thanks to Kyle, thanks to Barstool for bringing us out here.
- [155:12]
Kyle
Great week.
- [155:13]
Ryan Rosillo
This is a great week. And, you know, we tried to do as much as we could, navigating around the trade deadline as well. So enjoy the game. The Ryan Restillo Podcast Barstool Sports. Sam.