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The Ryen Russillo Show
Inside the 1st Round of the NFL Draft w/ Albert Breer, Plus Knicks & Nuggets in Trouble?
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Ryan Marcillo
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We start today's show recapping the three playoff games in the association last night before we get to the draft stuff, which I know for a lot of you is probably more important, but he we're doing it anyway. All right, let me say this also because I try to remind myself of this like Game one stuff and how misleading Game one can be. And then it's like, oh my God, this team did this to this team. So now this is never going to happen. And yet we had five of the eight series split one apiece. And now we have some real stuff. We have some stuff happening. We'll go with the first game. Atlanta takes game three at home up to one in the series. CJ McCollum with the game winner with 12 seconds left. New York had 12 seconds to attempt their game winner. And there was even a moment with like three minutes left where the Knicks were coming back. They were down 18 in this game. Had they come back and won this, that would have been four 18 plus point comebacks in the last two years in the playoffs when the rest of the NBA only had five. So New York's still at three. So New York gets back into this as bad as that first half was. And then down one after the CJ make they run a play, they get Brunson the ball and Brunson gets a kongwu and he's on the right side and he's probably battling all these different Do I get into a pull up here? Do I go baseline? Because he starts to bring the ball a little bit deeper down to the baseline. Kaminga starts shading over that way as well. There's probably a moment where Brunson's like, can I just kind of drive a kongu and get free throws? Am I actually going to get that call right now? Like I probably have to get foul, foul instead of getting away with some of the other stuff that he gets away with during the regular part of the game. And as Brunson's probably going through all these different decisions, Hart is kind of down there. Hart pushes Dyson Daniels in the back and Brunson gets the pass to Hart. And it wasn't a bad pass. I just don't know if Hart was ready, if Hart was getting ready for an offensive rebound. He's probably thinking in that moment, there's no way Brunson's going to pass. The very least he's going to try to drive and get some sort of contact down. One point, the ball leaks out and Jonathan Kaminga again, not Game 1. Kaminga, who was on his case, who this is a miraculous turnaround here for Kaminga and we'll get to the offensive stuff. But Kaminga, after coming down to the double team and then as the ball is loose, it was going to be almost impossible for the Knicks to get any kind of shot off. But Kaminga stays in the play and then challenges heart as he's trying to corral the basketball. And that is game Hawks. So Kaminga, I hated his Game one and I'm like, this is why. This is why. And yet now he backs up the game 219 points with 21 points last night and he's been incredibly engaged. It's not even just the makes, it's the defense that I talked about in game two and it's him being the fourth quarter decision for Quinn Snyder for this Hawks team. He played the full 12 minutes in game two. He played 11:30 in game three as far as the fourth quarter. And Dyson Daniels again to the bench, although he did play a little bit more specifically on some defensive matchup possessions that Atlanta wanted. So three things that I'm seeing in this series right now when D. Dyson is out because you can't use him as a screener, he doesn't offer up any shooting because if you screen with him, then two are just going to stay with whoever the ball handler is, whether that's CJ or in this case, Jalen Johnson. Yes. Josh Hart has been terrific defensively with all the different assignments that he has to take here. Yes. These are supposed to be some of the things that Mikhail Bridges is supposed to do. We'll get to those guys here in a minute because combined not super productive on the offensive side of the ball. But when Jalen Johnson is at point guard, which is the he's fully capable of doing, I'm not calling him Cade, but it's Cade ish in the sense that this guy is this big with this handle and can finish at the rim and there's a lot of passing in there, right? Like a ton. Again, just not Cade. But same idea. If you get this guy going downhill against a switch into Brunson of all people, you have the advantage every single time. So I think with the no Dyson lineup and then screening with Brunson's guy and then getting Jalen Johnson in these possessions, I want to see more of that from the Atlanta Hawks, because I think it's. It's just a great starting point, knowing full well that New York will probably try to counter it some way, maybe pre switching against, you know, Brunson. But if you have these guys that far out in space, like, there's. There's all these reminders, too, of, like, hey, how come you don't double more just in general, or how come you can't, like, do this? And it's like, this game moves so fast and these guys are so incredibly talented that you get caught kind of in no man's land of where you are defensively, you're going to, like, you're not going to get away with it. So that's why Brunson, sometimes, if you're pulling four people away from all the other stuff, like, he's out there, and he's probably going to have to switch. And that means Jalen Johnson's going at him, depending on how you want to play it. Because if you're doing it with somebody that is an offensive threat, then that's an outlet that you're going to be ignoring if you keep two with Johnson. So they weren't keeping two of them all the time. I'm sure you can find some clips that would say that they did, but that was something I want to see more of from it. Atlanta, the cat thing, two shots in nine, 21. So nine minutes and 21 seconds in the fourth quarter. He had two points on free throws. He did have boards this time around, he did have a couple assists. But this is not on Cat, and I'm telling you right now, he's not my favorite. Okay, but what is happening here can't keep happening. There was some possessions in earlier parts of the game where Miles McBride can't even get him the ball. Jose Alvarado can't get him the ball. He had some matchups on one side where it was like an incredibly favorable matchup with two on, you know, kind of like the ball side, but six people on the other side of the paint, and they're just like, hey, there's a lot of room for Cat to work there, and it doesn't happen. And with whoever's defending Cat, that is not the person New York wants Brunson switching into. So they don't want to run Cat up to set the screen for Brunson, because unfortunately, whoever is on Cat, whether it's Dyson Daniels, whether it's another wing they don't want. It was Kaminga at times, too, when Dyson Wasn't playing in the fourth quarter. So this isn't on Cat, like, disappearing. They, by design, kind of keep him out of a majority of what they're doing offensively. And it's up to him to offensive rebound and do some of these other things, which I think he's. He's shown at times, like in Game one, he doesn't necessarily need plays run for him. But I just. When you're taking two shots and you're as big of a deal as he is and you can hate him, but, like, look, he still produces. So this is not. You can't look at the box score with Cat and go, oh, this guy just disappears. I think their offense is making him disappear a little bit. There was one play where they used Cat in a screen for Brunson, but that meant a switch into Alexander Walker, and then there was another switch into Jalen Johnson. So it's like, so you just ran two screens for Brunson, and then you ended up with him on Jalen Johnson. So now. Now what's off of that and what it leads to is Brunson, a lot of times kind of bringing the ball out and taking forever to get into what they want. You know, Brunson got a nice look on that play. He missed the floater.
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Albert Breer
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Ryan Marcillo
I. I'm just very frustrated with it, as you can tell from what I'm saying here, because there's also a part of me today that's like, how would we talk about this game if C.J. mcCollum misses that shot? Right? We talked about all these things that Atlanta's doing wrong because their bench is now in the fight. After that game. One thing that I thought was super predictable, I did not predict that this Atlanta bench would be outperforming New York's bench the way they have in games two and three. I did not predict that Hart and Mikel Bridges, in 61 combined minutes in game three would have two total points. Bridges got benched in this game. He played, what, 21 minutes. Brown went with Miles McBride. That's who he wanted out there. And even if Bridges is missing shots, you would never envision a scenario where it's like, now I can't play him out there defensively because of Alexander Walker, McCollum and Jalen Johnson. Like, I can't find minutes for him there. You've got to figure that he's going to bounce back a little bit, or maybe you. And it's kind of this rule that I have where when you're watching games and maybe there's one guy with some resume and it's not quite going right for him. And he's had a bad first half. You can see what the priority is in the second half of the game because the first play that the team will run will run it for the guy that's had a disappointing first half. It's like, hey, we got to get Bridges going. Hey, we got to get Cat going. Hey, we got to get this guy going. Let's get Cam Johnson going. Let's run something for him. And the team will tell you what they're disappointed by and who they need to get going. Usually with the first play they'll run and in the start of the third quarter. So as I'm debating, like, hey, how do you talk about this game? Because OG is great. I think the cat thing is actually kind of fixable. But there is and I don't want to turn this into, hey, the net. The knicks are down 2:1 because they still very well can win this series. This isn't some, like, all time team they're going up against here, but Atlanta's doing some really nice things. But I don't. I think all of us are probably the same way. I can't help myself from thinking like, is there nothing else other than just this screen for Brunson that either gets blown up with a double team and it's kind of all on him? Is this where Bridges gets ignored? Is this where the Cat part plays back into it? Oh, geez, a lot of cleanup stuff. And then when he's hitting his threes on top of everything else in his free throws, he's just an awesome player these last two years. Like a whole new appreciation for OG and Anobi. But I don't want to be guilty of the CJ shot going in and then thinking the Knicks offense is this massive disaster, but it just feels like, is there one other note that this team can play even in the games they win? Because it's just asking so much of Brunson. And even with that said, I was looking at usage rate for individual players. Like, he's at 31. It's not absurd. It's not like it's all the time, but it's just late. You know exactly what it's going to be. And the thing is, it's late knowing exactly what it's going to be. It's been so great for so many nights for Brunson that it's hard to be critical of it even, you know, even in a loss. I feel a little guilty about it, but it just jumps out at you. There's just a lot of plays where you go, you guys are going to try to do anything else here. Like you can't run bridges into the middle off of some double team and then let him work four on three. So we'll continue to moderate. All right, buckle up for this one. Toronto gets game three. They blew the game open in the fourth quarter against Cleveland. 43, 23 in the fourth quarter. Scotty Barnes, you want to talk about falling in love with dudes all over again? It's been a while. We haven't seen him in the playoffs. He had 30 points through the first three quarters last night. His averages in the series are 27, three boards, eight assists on 56 and 54% shooting splits. And it is his effort even in the game two loss. It was one of the biggest things that jumped out to me. Work Scotty Barnes, basically, you could just see he's thinking to himself, fuck this, I'm just going for it. And that's everything that I would want in a basketball player. I didn't think he'd be a 30 point a night game guy in the playoffs. I didn't think you could just pencil him in and be like, hey, you'll get 30 from Scotty Barnes every single night and then work around that. That's where this has been going now in this series because it's getting better every single game. And we haven't seen him in the playoffs in four years. So I wasn't quite sure to expect this stuff. I had a thought last night. A Scotty Barnes epiphany. I'm not saying he's Giannis, but I think Giannis is the best comp. And think about it, this big kind of multi positional guy who is just murderous on defense that plays with an undeniable will, who you don't exactly think is ever like a shooter you're scared of and handle wise. Like some of you youngsters out there that like to debate Whether or not LeBron is good because he doesn't necessarily have a bag or that Giannis doesn't necessarily have a bag. Stop worrying about that shit that much, all right? There's a lot of guys with bags that are watching on the couch right now. So sure it'd be cool if Scotty had a couple more Kyrie type moves, but his effort and he's making these shots and the absurd passing and that he can play Mobley and neutralize him and then completely shut down Harden out of possession if he wants to do it and he can play Harden. He could play him for an entire fourth quarter. I would actually to mess up Harden, I would put Barnes on Harden for the entire first quarter just to see what happened. And boy does Toronto need this. RJ Barrett has been awesome. Brandon Ingram who makes 38 million the 36th highest salary in the NBA continues to get worse. He's now averaging 12, 3 and 3 on 39 and 33% splits. I don't like I've said it for years. It goes back to like one of those Pelican series that I saw. I do not like Brandon Ingrams scoring profile in a tougher place. He's likely with his talent going to have a nice game here at some point. But this is a problem. RJ shooting splits are ridiculous. He was 6 of 8 last night from 3. Jameson battle comes in, scores all of his points, all 14 points in the fourth quarter, hit all five of his shots. And Colin Murray Boyles might want to start paying attention to that guy because he is still someone that Cleveland is ignoring because it doesn't necessarily matter and he is eating it all up. Like get a body on him. I'm not saying you have to close out to him at 15ft, but get a body on this guy because he is humiliating your front line. He's a rookie doing this to your guys up front and you know this probably shouldn't be happening but it's a credit to him because there's not really a ton to choose. Like when he was a draft prospect. You go, all right, there's a lot that I kind of like here but like what the hell position does he play and is he pretending he's kind of a shooter here? A little bit. And he's. He's not. He's not. So his effort, man, and it's leading to Pearl playing even though he played more minutes in game three, I think 18 as opposed to nine in game two. CMB is the choice here and so that's been a lot of fun as well. So you could just point to the three point variance in the fourth quarter. Cleveland went two of 11 from threes. Toronto went eight of nine from threes in the fourth quarter. Yeah, this is fine. All right. This is fine. And Cleveland is likely fine. Right? You're up 2 0. As I always say, every single year, every game is connected in the playoffs. Your effort in game two is based on your effort in game one. If you're down two zero, your effort is just undeniable. You are going to play harder than the team that is up 2. 0 likely. Unless you're just a disaster of a culture and all these different things. But that's not the case with Toronto because at least we know this, that they have shown to be resilient throughout much of the season. But I have something that I whispered in game two. I'm sorry to do this again, but at the end of Game 2 in the fourth quarter, Cleveland wins. I don't know if I did in a good 10 minutes or if I did it on the podcast I taped five days this week. So I don't know. I was like, I saw some hardened stuff in the fourth quarter I didn't really love. I kept track of it in the second half last night because I saw a ton of it. You want to talk about effort? All right, so when Scotty Barnes is on hard and he's out, he's done taps out, I'm out. I'm not interested in this possession. Zero interest. I started writing them down, and the way I do, like, you know, I'm writing my notes down, different plays, things I'm seeing, timestamp, score runs, all that kind. It's not that complicated, right? I saw a couple hardened plays, and then I decided to, like, leave six blank lines to go. Let me just see if he has one of these nights in him where it goes bad, and I'll put them all in this section. I filled up that section, and I left a lot of blank space. So he has one play where RG Barrett just dribbles right past him. It'll happen. Fine. But RJ Dribbles past him. Then he gets it to Scotty Barnes. Harden's has RJ Barrett now going baseline behind him. Barnes is turning to the left side in the post, and Harden just walks away and, like, opens up the. The side to turn on because he's following RJ Barrett, who's. There's no possibility of him getting the ball back at that point. I mean, again, if Barnes had gotten stuck. Stuck, which he's not going to because he's going at everybody. Maybe it's just a bad read, but it was hence a bad read. He just left him. There's another drive where you're supposed to pinch down. Somebody's driving. You lean a little bit off of your guy, get your hand in there. And he. He just like, no, that's going to be. I'm going to be so tired if I try to do that. I'm not going to do that. Just a lot of fake help. He tries a baseline Pass where there's absolutely no chance. And then once he turns the ball over, he doesn't want to cross half court. He's like, ah, that sucked. And then you'll watch the game. You'll be like, all right, there's nine guys across half court, like somebody's missing. And you know, our guy getting a little cardio in eventually crosses half court. On the Battle three, I think it was number two for Jameson Battle. He had lost the ball on an offensive rebound off a Tyson 3 miss, and it was a scrum. So I'm not even blaming him for necessarily losing the basketball, but he was mad that he lost the basketball. So he just took forever. He didn't want to get back into the play. And then Battles got it at the left break and Harden, like, pretends he's hustling to the closeout and then just kind of like waves at the ball and then it goes in. He just, I mean, took forever. And that made it 96, 90. They were only up three in that spot. He had RJ Barrett in the right corner. So if you're going right to left for Toronto, he's got him in the corner. He needs his size to stop paying attention. Rj, baseline cut. And one against Harden. There was another play. I mean, honestly, I had like 18 of these. I'm not going to do it all. There was one play where Streuss and this was going to be a tough thing to save. The ball's loose. He's trying to save it on the, on the sideline and throwing it back to the middle of the court. And a lot of players would see their teammate in trouble and they would run over to like, hey, you know, the ball is probably going to come flying this way. Like, let me try to see if I can get a position to save this because he's going to try to save it. You know, he's running full speed out of bounds and throwing the ball behind him. And Streuss, like, throws it back. And Harden's never moved because he's like, wait, you wanted me. You wanted me to do something. There's late closeouts that are fake. Again, fake help not getting across half court. It's never going to change and it's going to show up. I don't care if he hits threes. I don't care about the free throw that he gets. He had like six free throw baiting plays last night because then he was getting annoyed. And so he's like, all right, let me just try to get three free throws on One of these threes. He didn't get it. It's just the worst. It's. It's. It's not winning basketball. So Cleveland will probably win this first round, and maybe they can still. But I'm just telling you, when the. When the stakes get higher and higher, this is the problem. Everything has to be played. All these possessions have to have intensity. People can miss rotations. People can take a playoff. It can. It's going to happen to your favorite player. It can't happen as many times as it happens with him. Every time. We're at this part of the calendar for the NBA year. Minnesota, buckle up. Whoa, whoa. Up two one. You want to talk about series changing? I was wondering if I could be in the NBA Finals, we'd probably be in Denver. About two minutes into the second quarter of game two, I was like, you love Denver. Maybe you should go to the finals this year. That's a little aggressive. A little aggressive considering how OKC looks. And I imagine Wembanyama will be back. But this thing is entirely different now. It's entirely. And granted, Aaron Gordon not playing last night is a huge problem. You knew they needed Peyton Watson back, but it shouldn't look like this. The Denver Nuggets had six points with 144 left in the first quarter. Six points. It was so bad that I kind of lost track of how bad it was when I was watching, because I go, wait. They. I said, I think, you know, again, out loud to myself downstairs, I'm like, the Denver Nuggets have six points and there's a minute 44 to go. And then they lit fire. They scored five more. So I actually, in an odd way, start rooting for it to continue to be as bad because I want to see 25 to 6 in the box score. Maybe that's just a me thing. So it's 2511 after the first quarter. Jokic, the game plan. You want to talk about the first play of the third quarter rule that we have. Sometimes it's very clear earlier and that it's going to get Jokic going here. Offensively, you can't sit back and kind of monitor the game, but a lot of times seems to tell you that's exactly what they want. They want him shooting at a million times because that means nothing else is working. That's why his assist numbers are so bad last night, because nobody else is making any shots, including him. He started. Was it one of eight. I mean, Denver's first quarter scoring or shooting. They were three of 211 and nine from three. And Joker didn't make a shot. I think. I think he was.06 to start this thing. I'm going to tell you right now, this is not a make or miss league thing. These were hard shots. And Murray's always a pretty good test for what's happening to Denver on offense. If he is probing and dribbling and taking late shot clock stuff where nothing feel feels clean and nothing is in rhythm and he's not getting to the hoop, that means that they're kind of busted up offensively. And Jokic is usually able to solve all of these things. But something has happened with Minnesota, man, where they are, like, awake and they're mad. JD McDaniels, who I was like, man, he, like, let Denver have it. Like, how's he going to respond to this? Because he's not always my favorite. And he backed it all up. He was unbelievable. I think he was 8 of 10 at the rim. When I looked at his shot chart this morning, Jaden's, it looked like a stain right around the restricted area because there was nothing else. It was all right there. And IO the same thing. He didn't make anything from outside. And then he lights it up at the rim. So I think Jokic got through an awful start offensively. Sure, he got some final numbers, took a bunch of free throws. Didn't matter because nobody else could shoot around him. And without Gordon. Now, as bad as we thought Jokic was attacked in Game two, it was even worse last night. And there was even a moment where Adelman, the head coach for the Nuggets, he called three timeouts, I think, in the second quarter. And there was one play where IO just starts blazing down the sideline and finishes at the rim. And Adelman's like, get back, get back. I thought on that play, they actually got back enough, or at least enough to not warrant how mad he was. But I totally understood what he was thinking because they are just getting smoked down the court, too. Like, these guys from Minnesota are getting out and flying. It's like a complete different mentality of this team. And Ant wasn't even a factor last night because he leaves the game, what, 7042 and then comes back. He only played, like, 23. He had 17 points, didn't necessarily shoot it great. So this isn't even like, hey, we have a guy that's at Jokic's level in theory or supposed to be in a year or two to be able to battle with him the entire time. That wasn't what this game even was. I mean, they were up 92, 72. And I'll finish here. Like, Jaden still was mad. It was awesome. Jaden McDaniels is going at Murray and not letting Murray, like bring it up to court. And they're up 20. Maybe it was because they've shaved this thing down a little bit. And it reminded me of that Phoenix, Minnesota series. And that was really Minnesota's coming out party as far as like the NBA playoffs are concerned. Like, hey, Q team, that's cool. Ant could dunk and whatever. And then that series was like, wait a minute. Like, we might. We might have something we have to pay attention to here. There was a quarter in that series against Phoenix where I felt bad for the guys in Phoenix because, like, they can't do anything with these guys. Like these just bunch of young dudes out there harassing the shit out of everybody with the ball like ants. Taking it personally because of Cat and Jaden. It was a good matchup with him because if you're really, really stout, I might not like that matchup. Like, look, he can't. He's not going to be able. Nobody can do anything with Luca, really. But I don't think that's necessarily the best thing for McDaniels. But against Murray, and they're up and they're kicking their ass and he talks so much shit after game two and then backs it all up. So this is an incredible series where I did not expect to be worried about Denver getting out of the first round this year. But I don't know how you could watch these three games and not be worried about it. But likely because of who they've been and where they've been before. Because when they're down 2:1, I'd imagine they come back with a little bit more desperation. But Gordon not being available, if that's the case for game four, A rough defense on the interior. I mean, the shot chart for so many of these guys is like at the rim, at the rim, at the rim. If Gordon's not back, you know, good luck. Because it's not like the perimeter guys are locked down guys either. This episode is brought to you by Raising Cane's. Raising Cane's has one love. Craveable chicken finger meals. It's all they serve, so they're focused on doing it right. They're served hot, fast and fresh, with no heat lamps or holding cabinets. I'm a huge Cane's guy. The crispy chicken fingers, the crinkle cut fries, grilled Texas toast and of course, the Cane sauce. And I go all the way back, way back with Cane's founder, Todd Graves. I was like, what are you doing? You're making chicken. I've hung out with him in Baton rouge, gone to LSU games with him. I even was. I DJed a small set, mostly deep cuts, but he's always a great time to hang out with whatever sport you're watching, make sure you're watching with a box combo from Raising Canes. Raising Cane's chicken fingers. One love the morning after the first round of the NFL draft. Thrilled that we've got Albert Brer with us again, who'll be joining us throughout the football season. So obviously, you know, his work from the MMQB si and they did a live draft show last night for YouTube as well, so tons of viewers for that one. So Brear, we can talk about Mendoza in the Vegas thing. You know, I don't necessarily want to start with the number one pick because we've talked about it so much, but there is maybe a part of the story that's completely ignored in that even if you have the need and he is the guy, like, what goes into the decision of signing off on something that ultimately is going to impact your franchise for many years?
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
This goes back like seven months for them. And I think, you know, the mistake people make is thinking this was like a coronation. The Raiders just worked really fat far ahead on him. And I get, I can tell you, like, you know, you get to right around New Year's Day, and they were basically down to, okay, it's going to be Fernando Mendoza or Dante Moore. And then Dante Moore makes the decision to go back to school. And I think that sort of made it academic for them. But they had gone out, looked at all these guys live. They were at, you know, the gm, John Spytek was at. At Purdue on a really cold night when I think Mendoza probably had his worst game of the year. And he had actually, the night before, gone to see Brendan Sorsby at Cincinnati, who's another guy who wound up, you know, back in school. So they had spent the entire fall kind of canvassing and going and seeing a lot of these guys live and doing all the homework. And they really wanted to get ahead of it so they'd be able to kind of have a refined process when they got to the spring. And so, like, I think, you know, by the time, you know, Fernando Mendoza is winning the national championship with, with Tom Brady and John Spytack and Mark Davis in attendance, they were already like 90% of the way there and then Mendoza, I mean, look like between the combine formal, the 30 visit, the three zooms they did, which basically turned into installs, you know, Mendoza getting to know the guys there, getting to know Kubiak, the 30 visit, like, all of it. Like, I think, you know, you just. Every box got checked. And, you know, it's funny, I. I thought about, like, I don't know what your experience was watching him in the fall, but I remember, like, the first time I heard one of his interviews, I had the same reaction everybody else did. Like, this is kind of weird, you know, and, like. But I. I feel like the more you watch him, the more he kind of grew on you, you know what I mean? The more it was like, that's really who he is, and that's cool, you know, it was like kind of like a different version of Andrew Locke, you know? And so, you know, I think the. The Raiders kind of came to a real comfort level in what they were looking at in January. And then Mendoza just checked every box. I think the one thing that's sort of interesting here, too, I know we don't want to spend too much time on this specifically, but I do think his story resonated with Tom Brady. Like, the maniacal drive, the desire to be the very best. You know, being at Cal, kind of fighting through some of the things he fought through there, then going to Indiana and taking the group of players that he did to the heights that he did. You know, they weren't the. They weren't the most talented team in the country, but he helped make them the best team, you know, and so I think a lot of what he was able to accomplish as a winner and a worker really resonated with Brady.
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Ryan Marcillo
Let me follow up on that quick. Then what if Brady watches the tape, meets with him and goes, no. Then what happens? Brady has still taken.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
I don't think so. I think. I think at that position, you know, Brady has a voice. I mean, I think I've told the story before, but, I mean, they more or less, like, snuck Brady into town last year to look at quarterbacks with them ahead of trading for Geno Smith. And, you know, I. It's. It's interesting because I think, like, Brady, from what I understand, is very cognizant of the fact that every time he walks in the building, he's going to take all the oxygen out of the room. And I. And I think he wants to be cognizant of, like, I want to empower John Spytek and Clint Kubiak. And make sure that they have, you know, real command over the football operation because I'm not going to be there every day. But he wants to have a voice, you know, and there are people there that, that, that refer to him as their boss or who they answer to. And everybody is aware of what qualities he's looking for in football players. I think it marked every draft pick they had last year, like, like what is a Tom Brady football player? And so, like, I think his influence is there every day and in particular the quarterback position.
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Ryan Marcillo
The jets big night, three first rounders. So it's easy, you know, the next day you're kind of like, man, the jets did really well. So well, they had three of these. So what went into their decision of Bailey over Reese at 2?
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
So I, like, I hesitate to say it's just job security because it's not that. But I do think, like, there was an element of having to provide light at the end of the tunnel for ownership and then for the guys in the locker room. And I think, like, sometimes we look at these like massive rebuilds and we, you know, you kind of act as if like the players in the locker room are just chess pieces and that's not really the way it works. Like, those players, they don't really care about your three year plan. You know, 80% of those guys don't know what team they're going to be on next year. And so like, you can't just throw seasons overboard, you know. And, you know, Darren Glenn was part of this in Detroit with Dan Campbell when they were really bad at the start, you know, but if you look like in each season those first two seasons, that light at the end of the tunnel got brighter at the end of the season. So I think they were like, oh, 10 and 1 and finished 3 and 3 the first year, and then they started 1 and 6 and finished the season at 9 and 8 the second year. And they were giving like the players hope. Well, last year they just didn't do any of that, you know, like they lost five games in a row at the end of the year. The last loss was a blowout to the bills backups. Then 12 assistant coaches get fired. You know, I think you have to give the players in the locker room tangible hope, like this is turning around. And so I think it was important that they got somebody with the second overall pick. That shows that everyone in the building, the football people making the decisions, know what the hell they're doing and they're building something that is going to be sustainable There's, I think, just, I just think David Bailey had a better chance to do that coming out of the box than Arvell Reese, or at least that was their perception. And, you know, you look further down the line, you know, Kenny and City's a guy you're going to be able to use right away. Omar Cooper, you know, the comp I've heard for him is Amon Ross St. Brown. And it's interesting because, you know, Aaron Glenn was with Amon Ross St. Brown in Detroit. So I think you can sort of see what they're doing here in that, like, yes, they want to be in position to take a quarterback next year. They got the three first round picks next year. All that's in place. But they also, like, if they want to build a program, you know, and if they want to be there in 2027, they got to find a way to kind of create some hope. And I think David Bailey helps them do that.
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Ryan Marcillo
We had Daniel Jeremiah McShay on right beginning of the week and it was this whole media blitz of like, Jeremiah Love is going to go three to Arizona. And it was funny because both guys were like, yeah, when I had heard it this weekend, I was like, oh, this is a good little nugget. And then Jeremiah's like, I was even thinking about like saving it. He goes, then Chefter has it. But then you start thinking a little cynically going, why is everybody finding this all out at the same exact time? It wouldn't make sense. If Arizona wants to trade down, it's like, which player would we. I mean, teams have done stuff like this before, so they end up taking them. So I just. Your understanding of like the thought process and if there was any moment that you were cynical of this and going, how is everyone finding this all out at the same time?
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
So I do like these video breer reports three times a week and like, so I had it in the one I did, I think last Friday and I had it also in like my needs column that went out Monday morning, which is like an hour after shifters, you know. So I was like, I like went back and said, hey, like, here's my brew report for Friday and we'll have more of it coming. You know, you get competitive about that stuff. But I, yeah, I'd heard it last week and like it. I think you're right. Like it was out there to the point where you start to ask those questions. I even had a team I talked to. I think this was either yesterday or Wednesday. It's all running together. Now we said like, you know, like, because you first were hearing it was going to be Reese at 3 and like, this guy, I think it was an assistant gm, he said to me, he said, like, I wonder if the fact that everybody thought it was Reese at first, it was out there and then. And that didn't work as far as getting somebody to trade up. So now they're trying it with Love, you know what I mean? Like, to try to get somebody, like, hey, look, like we really take them. My understanding was the coaches loved Jeremiah Love. And it's interesting too, because Michael Force, coming from la, if the Rams had traded up, I heard the player that they would have traded up for would have been Jeremiah Love. They viewed him as the, as the difference maker in this year's class. And I think for LaFleur and his staff, it's like, how can we be functional offensively? How can we set up something so, you know, whenever we plug our young quarterback in, there's something for, for, for that young quarterback to work with. You know, I kind of equate it to like when the Rams took Todd Gurley In 2015, a year ahead of, of getting Jared Goff and how much Gurley meant for Goff's development. You know, you get a guy in there, you don't have to wear him out in year one because you have Tyler Algier, who you signed for from Atlanta, and James Conner, and, you know, you, you now have a piece that you can build around. Now my question will be whether or not the timelines match up, you know, and like, are you going to be able to get good fast enough that there's going to be enough of the guys prime left based on the track record of that position. But I think, you know, a lot of people viewed him as the best player in the draft. Like I tell you, the Giants had him, had him right there, him and Arvell Reese with even grades, number one in the draft. And so, like, it's a middle of the fairway pick for the general manager, Monty Osmort, who I think also was looking at the idea of taking an offensive lineman. It's safe in the top five. The same way Marvin Harrison and Paris Johnson were seen as safe when he was picking in the top five the last few years. And look like, I don't want to ignore this part of it, but I think there's an ownership element of it, too. They're down near the bottom of the league and ticket revenue and that sort of stuff. And I know those things can be a Factor, you know, and maybe the owner influencing people to go one way or the other. So the idea that you can sell tickets and jerseys and all that stuff with an offensive skill player shouldn't be
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Ryan Marcillo
ignored because Salah is a Tennessee now. It's like, okay, well, if Reese is still on the board, you know, could they go Sonny Styles, like, all this different stuff like we had had. You know, you just look at, like, what Salah prioritizes, but then you're like, is that really positionally what you want to do? Were you surprised they went with Tate at 4?
- [40:31]
NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Yeah, I was. I. I had somebody there tell me, well, like, said, we're going to take a Buckeye, which, like, this year made it, like, a little complicated. You know, I didn't think it'd be Tate. I, I, like, I thought it'd be Reese because I, you know, my understanding was, like, Robert Sala viewed Arvel Reese as the type of player who could change his defense. Now, you know, I think you look at, like, the. Again, picking in the top five. What's the safe thing to do? Well, you know, like, Carnell Tate checks a lot of boxes. It's. He's a.
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Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
He's.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
He's tough. You know, he was durable for the most part in college. Kind of had a freak thing at the end, but other than that, he's been durable in college. He's a really, really good blocker. He's a polished route runner, and he can get down the field, and he allows them to kind of slot the other guys that they've drafted, you know, over the last couple of years at the skill positions, slot them into, you know, roles that are more commensurate with who they are and even, like, you know, a guy like Wanda Robinson coming in from the Giants. So, yeah, I think this is an investment in your young quarterback and trying to give him something to grow with and someone to grow with and, you know, just sort of a middle of the fairway pick where I think at the baseline, you get a really good player. And I think the question has to be. Because he was never the number one in Ohio State, you know, playing, you know, the last three years, first with. With Marvin Harrison and then with Jeremiah Smith, like, can he evolve into a number one? I think that'll be the question that, that we'll be asking over the next couple of years with him.
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Ryan Marcillo
So the Giants, two picks at 5 and 10, and as you pointed out, that they had Arvell Reese with love as the number one player on their board. So they get him at five. Some of the reaction, you know, depends on what they want to do with Reece. Because you can say, hey, you took Carter last year. You've got Thibodeau, you know, have Brian Burns. Like you have other edge guys. So I like, I just love when you have one great edge guy and you're like, let's go get another one. I'm just, I'm huge on that, on these fronts because we see how much of an advantage teams can have if you really have any kind of pressure with four down linemen. Right. So Maui Noah, who, what they had number four or five on their board. So like, yeah, whenever you're, you're drafting, like, hey, we're so happy with our draft. Well, no kidding. Because you rank these players this way in comparison how all the other teams have it ranked. But what does that package mean about. Not so much Maui Noah because they needed a tackle, but with Reese and the personnel they already have on defense.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Yeah, I mean, well, I think if you put the two pieces together, first of all, like, that's John Harbaugh. Big, physical, tough. Like the two guys they draft, I think are two of the, like maybe the two biggest badasses in the draft. You know what I mean? Like, so to get Reese and Maui Noah, I think does make a statement in that way. They viewed Reese as an off ball linebacker. And I think if you want to look at like how Matt Patricia used him last year, it was the role that Jamie Collins played for the Patriots a decade ago. They call that the buck linebacker. And he, he, he, he plays off the, off the ball on early downs and then down on the line of scrimmage on third down. And that's how the Giants viewed him. They felt like he could very much fill a need for them off the ball. And a lot of times the reality is on passing downs, your off ball linebackers, you know this Ryan and the NFL now are coming off the field and not playing. So you get that need filled and then on, you know, and then in long yardage situations. Now this guy's a weapon as a pass rusher and you have him, you have Abdul Carter, who could rush inside and outside. Brian Burns, you can move around. So you just have like these three movable chess pieces. Abdul Carter played off the ball at Penn State too. It just, it's sort of what the Ravens defenses have been over the years. I don't think they thought there was any way that Arvell Reese was going to get to them. The Saints really liked him, and I think The Saints, when it got to a certain point, might have considered trading up for him. The Chiefs really liked him. So like, I think they thought either the Titans are going to take him at 4 or someone's going to trade up over the Titans to get him. I don't think they anticipated like that he'd be available and of course he was. And I think a lot of people look at it as like, is it redundant? It's not. If you view Arvell Reese the way the Giants did, which was as an off ball linebacker on early downs and then on passing downs, is a guy you put down on the line of scrimmage. And now, you know, we'll see what happens with Cave on Thibodeau. He's already sort of a part time player for him last year. I mean, do you, do you look at him now and say, you know, like, let's go get a third or fourth round pick for it. Maybe that's what they do. I don't believe they have a third. So maybe having the opportunity to fill in that gap would, would appeal to them.
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Ryan Marcillo
Yeah, I think that's fair. On the Thibodeau part of it of just going like this might speak to just, we're not going to change things around because we feel like we're depth heavy at a position if we think we're upgrading that much. Kansas City was fun to talk about, you know, trying to figure out at nine. Like there was even a moment there, I was like, well, it's a running back Jeremiah Love go there. Would it just be too nice? And it's like, ah, there's too much momentum there. There was always kind of maybe a thought of like offensive line, but they just took Simmons in the first round from Ohio State last year. So you're like, well, they do that, especially if you don't like this tackle class. And then they move up to six. And it was funny because then on the broadcast you could hear them talking about defensive back because they already knew the pick. So sometimes you can, you can figure
- [46:01]
NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
out, I love that. Can I give you like one thing on that? Like they kill you on picking on tipping picks and like going on your own shows and saying what the picks are before they're out. But then you turn on the TV and it's like, well, I'm hearing, it's like, no you aren't. It's already on the Internet, you know what I mean?
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Ryan Marcillo
Or they already know it from the production crew because I've worked the NBA draft and we would have the picks, you know, minutes. If not, like, sometimes you get it, like, oddly really early. But in the NBA, it's only, like, five minutes in there.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
So now we're not tipping picks because. So. So you can pretend, you know, on the broadcast, even though everybody already knows. It's just. We don't need to get going on that one.
- [46:41]
Ryan Marcillo
No, it's. I think, for the most part, it's. It's done pretty well. But there are times where, like, sometimes the guy just can't. Kind of can't help themselves, especially if it's, like, an information person and then they decide, like, hey, I'm gonna. You know, I remember one year there was a host that was like, I knew that two weeks ago. Like, oh, my God.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Where it gets really awkward is, like, when you get to day three and there's a big name still available because the broadcast falls so far behind on. On day three, like, with Shador last year, I think it was on the Internet for, like, 25 minutes before the pick actually was announced.
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Ryan Marcillo
You know, that's Pro Bowler Shador.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
That's Pro Bowler Shador Sanders. So it definitely creates some awkward TV moments.
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Ryan Marcillo
So Monsor Delane goes to KC at 6. All right? And I loved watching him this year. I think he's a stud. But I do wonder if it weren't the Chiefs, like, if this were a. If the jets did this, if the jets moved a third and a fifth to move up three spots to take a corner after you just let McDuffie go in a trade, you also let your other starting corner walk. Like, there's. There's an asset management part of this where you would go with Kansas City. Like, what. What are you doing? But since it's Kansas City and I love the players so much, you know, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, even though it felt a little expensive. And, you know, they have a history of kind of letting their defensive backs walk anyway, but it's like, all right, but now you have to replace them when, you know, I don't know, maybe there wasn't a receiver that made sense for him. They've already invested so much in the offensive line. Even if that felt like a major problem last year. I can never have enough edge, guys. You know, just going like, hey, let's just grab another one of these dudes. Even though they've, again, invested a lot of stuff on a defense that I. That I think they rebuilt, you know, during this Mahomes stretch here that I like a lot. But looking at that Move. Is it giving the Chiefs benefit of the doubt, or do you think they deserve criticism for it?
- [48:36]
NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
I mean, I. I think you give the Chiefs the benefit of the doubt based on who they are and what they've been. They've done a really nice job drafting. I mean, if you look like they've had a lot of success drafting guys in the defensive side of the ball when they needed to, right? Like the. When after they trade, you know, Tyree, kill some of the guys that, like, they wind up with, you know, you know, as a result of, like, just the. The. The. The volume of picks and you go down the list. Like, I think Nick Bolton got there a year before that, but you have Nick Bolton and, and. And Trent McDuffie and George Carloftis and Brian Cook, and they did just a really good job of, you know, finding guys throughout the draft that. That Spags can take and develop. And so, you know, it's. It's interesting because they must think the world of Delane. They traded Trent McDuffie in part because, like, we think Spags and Dave Merritt, their defensive backs coach, we think that they can develop that position at an incredibly high level. So we don't need to spend $30 million there. If we've got to make a tough decision, we will spend it on a defensive end or an offensive lineman or, you know, or obviously the quarterback. I think New Orleans was probably going to take Delane at 8, so they did have to do this to get. I think they did have to do this to get him. However, was it their biggest need? And I think that's a fair question. I think Delane's a really good player, and Delane was really helped by the injury situation with Jamar McCoy, which, you know, is. I. I feel terrible for the kid. A lot of teams regard him as a one contract guy. I know there are teams that medically failed him, and so that's why he fell out of the first round. But once the McCoy situation kind of crystallized, it left Delaney alone as the number one corner. And then, you know, Delane runs that 40 at 4, 3, 8, which is like, yeah, this guy is as explosive and twitchy as you'd want him to be, even though it may not look like it at all times on tape because he's so smooth. You know, I think the Chiefs feel like they come out of the draft with a real potential number one corner, and they get them, obviously, at whatever, it'll be a quarter of the price that they would have had to pay for Trent McDuffie.
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Ryan Marcillo
Yeah, makes sense. Don't want to pay him 30 million, but you're right. I mean, all these hits, even tranquil Chanel, like, there's just guys that they've seemed to be able to bring in and develop. But again, specific to the defensive back thing, that is kind of the spags mo. All right, Dallas moves up one spot and, you know, you want to talk about, like, figuring out what a team is going to do, there is no way they were going to take anyone on offense here. So they bring in Caleb Downs and you know, I know you watch him a ton and I know that it was. It felt kind of like, hey, he's good, but he might not be great. But I still love the pick.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Yeah, I think he. I think he'll be a captain, you know, in like a second year. I don't think you're going to miss on him now. Like, it's like you said, you know, it's kind of like, all right, like, is he. It's like we were talking about with Tate. It's like, can he elevate to being like, like a top three safety in the NFL? And I think he probably can. You know, a guy, I remember talking to Matt Patricia about him and the comp he had. He said he plays like Troy Palomalu and that to me, like, it's just, you can see it if you really watch him play, how instinctive he is and the free reign they gave him to move around and do different things. And I just can't remember. And I know you watched a lot of them, too. I can't remember ever seeing a play where he looked like he was out of position. I mean, it's. It's incredible. And especially for a guy who plays in space like that, it never looked like he was caught flat footed or he missed a tackle. And when he hits somebody, they stop. And there was this hit when they played Northwestern at Wrigley, you might remember this one, but, you know, the Northwestern quarterback threw the through the tight end out in the flat and this guy's probably 6 foot 6, 260 pounds, whatever. And Caleb like hit him and the guy just, I mean, it looked like a boxer like taking that last shot before he's going to fall down, you know, just, oh, like, and stopped. And so, like, I think you're getting a player that's a very real tone setter. And again, he's going to be a captain for you. I just, you know, in this year's draft, when I don't think, you know, like, you don't have the Julio Jones receiver. You don't have the Miles Garrett defensive end. You don't have the Joe Alt left tackle. There's something to be said for getting something that's a sure thing. And, you know, I had a head coach tell me yesterday, I was on the phone with him, you know, a couple hours before the draft, and he said, there are Vegas odds on one of these guys getting a. Getting a gold jacket. Caleb Downs has the best odds. And, you know, I've heard a lot of people talk about him that way now, again, like, he's not like a Derwin James cyborg at the position, but I think at a baseline, he's gonna be a really good player.
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Ryan Marcillo
Any picks that you hated in the first round, It's quite the grown.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Yeah, let me think about that. I. You know, it's.
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Ryan Marcillo
Do you not want to be that negative?
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
I. No, no, no, no, no. I'm not going to be that guy who's going to skirt it. Let me. Let me take a look at the. Look, I just. I like. It's just all the information is kind of like this is like a floating around in your head. You know, I was. To me. So there are a couple, you know, the Dolphins. I like the potential of Kaden Proctor at 12, and I think he's got a chance to be a top five left tackle. But did you see the stuff Saban said about him on the air yesterday?
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Ryan Marcillo
I think he's a huge, like, freak, and I don't think his tape backs it up at all.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Right.
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Ryan Marcillo
And so he reminds me of Fluker a little bit.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Yeah. Saban said something about he's not really a self. Self starter. If Nick's saying that on the air, like, it gets me a little worried. So, like, that'd be one. But I mean, that's a swing for the fences. You know, the other one that I look at and so I'll criticize the Chiefs on this one, like Peter woods at 29. I. What I like about it is that it's like, it's okay. Like, like, is, can we find a guy who may be our Chris Jones replacement? But the people who watched him last year, like, he had all these high expectations. I think he's being mocked in the top 10 by people left and right.
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Ryan Marcillo
Like, mocked in the top two. Man, go back and look at him. I mean, he was.
- [55:22]
NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
When I talked to the people who evaluate it, they said he vanished, like, like no impact last year. So I think the Chiefs have to be betting that, like, we're going to get him in a room with Chris Jones and he's going to learn it's going to light a fire under his ass. And like that's a bet on your program, right? You know what I mean? Like that's a, you know what we're going to, we're going to get this right, you know. So those would be the two that kind of jumped out at me is like, ah, I don't know. But I mean, I guess I think it's the sort of draft where you could pick a lot of these apart, you know what I mean? Like, like Caleb Banks at 18, right? Like to Minnesota, they have a huge defensive tackle need. It's a bad defensive tackle class. So this is the guy. I mean physically, I had somebody compare him to Jeffrey Simmons, but there's a motivation issue, there's a weight issue, there's
- [56:12]
Ryan Marcillo
a, there's foot surgery.
- [56:14]
NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Yeah. There's the injury issue. So like I look at like Banks and Woods as sim, like where it's like those teams are betting on their programs to get those guys, right? And I think it goes back to what you're saying, which is like, those are smart teams, right? If those were picks were made by teams, like if the jets made one of those picks, right, it would be like, what are they doing now? The flip side of it is the jets might not have the infrastructure to get the most out of a guy like that. You know what I'm saying? So like maybe this works because those guys are going to those places.
- [56:47]
Ryan Marcillo
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Ryan Marcillo
I do, I do like it. I mean, I love Bailey. I thought that there was more to like bank on from what I saw from him at Texas Tech. And I still think that that Oregon game, like what gets lost in that is Bailey was absurd in it. But Texas Tech couldn't get a first down. So it's like, oh, you know, now they're eliminated and they're out of it. I love Sadiq, but I don't think he is the full package. You know, the way some of these other guys are, even though it fills out a uniform maybe better than any single guy that's going to get drafted in the next seven rounds here. And I thought Cooper was, was a tough like baller type of guy who kind of answered the bell every time he needed him at Indiana. So I like it. But then it's kind of funny that it feels like, oh yeah, who's the quarterback again? So you know, what are you supposed to do? Not draft players that you like at positions because Gino's not the long term guy. Like that would be stupid. So in a way the jets deserve credit.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
So here, here's what I look at though. Look at the infrastructure for whoever the 27 quarterback they draft is now, right? You have two first round tackles and Olufashanu and an Armand member. You have the inline tight end Mason Taylor, who was your second round pick last year. You have the move tight end in Kenyan Sadiq. You have Garrett Wilson's establishes a number one and a compliment to him in Omar Cooper Jr. And you have Breece hall at running back with Braylon Allen behind him. And they really liked Braylon Allen before he got hurt last year. I mean, and now these guys have a year to grow together. And so if you're sticking a young quarterback in there in 2027, I actually think like this might create a pretty good situation for a young quarterback. You know what I'm saying? Like I just. And look like there's some ifs there. Like right, like if Mason Taylor takes a step forward, if Arman member becomes who they hope that he becomes at right tackle, if Cooper and Sadiq are hits. But man, they've had like some athletes there now they've got the premium positions taken care of and like it just looks to me like the infrastructure is really good for a young quarterback. And, you know, again, like, I. I think with Sadiq, one of the keys to me was that he goes to a place that has a good. Like a good wide tight end, you know, versus, like, what he is, is an F because you don't want to play him in line. And they have that, you know, they took Taylor. So, like, I just think it sort of sets up for success for Sadiq. It sets up for success for Cooper, who I think is probably better as a complimentary guy. He'll be playing opposite, you know, a legit number one. You've got the back. I mean, I just. I don't know. It feels to me like, you know, whoever that is, Dante Moore, Arch Manning, C.J. carr, like, whoever's walking in there could be walking into a really good situation.
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Ryan Marcillo
Yeah. I just hope, like, selfishly for Taylor, like, because he was just ignored at the end of the LSU run, and it's like, this guy is a stud, and now it's like, is he going to block the whole time once he gets all the catches? But it's, you know, maybe G was just throwing. Look, there's. There's a lot of pieces there. McDonald's still there on the other side of Bailey, you know, and obviously Wilson's a terrific receiver if the quarterback's any good. Like, I think we've seen him show signs, you know, of. Of being a really good threat. So, yeah, I think what you're saying there, it's kind of that thing that you go, is it. Is there any way to do a rebuild and then build everything first and then go get the quarterback? But the problem is, is then if you're winning seven games with your rebuild roster, you're probably not drafting high enough to get the franchise changing quarterback.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Right, Right. But it's like kind of like one of the. What are you supposed to do things? You know what I mean? Like, so it's. But I think, like, again, like, the situation is really important for young quarterbacks. Like, I always go back to this, that, you know, you could argue Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Patrick Mahomes best three quarterbacks in football over the last five or six years. Right. All three of those guys were drafted by teams that made the playoffs the year before they got there. You know, the Chiefs traded up for. For Mahomes, the Bills traded up for Allen, and Lamar fell all the way to 32. So, you know, I. I think the. Creating the right environment for the young quarterback first, there's a lot of merit to it now, like, you said the problem is that you just play your, play your way out of, you know, are you going to play your way out of being in position to take one? You know, we'll see whether or not that.
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Ryan Marcillo
Well, they got three first next year. So if they don't have ammo. Right, right. If they win a few more games. I think I saw the note. If they kept all three picks in 27, they'd be the first team in NFL history to have three first rounders and back to back years. If they take all six elections. Right.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
And if you mind, if you wind up with the first pick next year, like then you're going to have two other picks to, I mean, and I think you know as well as I do Jeremiah Smith, Leonard Moore, Colin Simmons, Dylan Stewart, like next year looks insane, you know, so, you know, I, I, I, the Jets, I think are positioned pretty well right now and I like what they did last night and they still have 44, I believe right tonight. So they have a chance maybe to go, you know, take care of one of their own other holes on defense. Maybe maybe a corner or something like that.
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Ryan Marcillo
Still a few things I want to do here. Ty Simpson to the Rams. So McShay mentioned it like six weeks ago, maybe two months ago. Yeah. When he. And I'm not sure because I know you have like a deeper dive on that, which I'm going to let you get to here in a second. But it was just, hey, here's a thought and then it happens. And it happens. You know, you can make an argument like this feels like the Kevin o' Connell pick when Brady's in his prime. Yeah. It's more aggressive than that one because you're like, what are you doing that you don't need this guy? Like add another piece and you can make the same argument for Stafford. But clearly the less Steen relationship here was, was strong enough for them to feel like they have their future.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Well, I remember like that whole thing when the, when the Patriots took Garoppolo and you know, I think Brady being pissed about it and part of it was you could have used that pick to get somebody to help me, you know, And I know that was Aaron Rodgers argument in 2020 was like, man, I only have a couple years left, I'm playing at MVP level, I've made it work with Matt LaFleur. And this is what you're doing now.
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Ryan Marcillo
You know, I think Brady said the best argument of anyone to be like, so like we can't, we can't ever get a Receiver. Unless he's a discount from somewhere else.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Right, right.
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Ryan Marcillo
Well, they couldn't draft receivers anyway, so maybe he wouldn't want to take.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
And part of that was Brady too, by the way. Like, part of that was like, Brady, like you needed to be such smart receiver. That's why young receivers never work. Like, if you look like their best receivers, almost all. Jordy Brown was a veteran when he got there. They got Wes Welker, Danny Amendola, Randy Moss. Right.
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Ryan Marcillo
But it's not like their draft picks at their position whiffed there and then went on somewhere else to be good either. So.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
And then. Yeah, and then Julian Edelman took forever to develop, you know, so he'll be a quarterback. Yeah, so that's true. That's fair. So, like, I think that that element of it definitely exists and, and credit to, to Todd, because Todd and I had talked about it and I, I dug into a little bit after, after that. Todd was definitely on this early. I think we talked about it like February or something like that. But, but yeah, so Les has a relationship with Jason Simpson, who's the head coach at UT Martin. That's Ty Simpson's dad. And so they had talked through the season, and then after the season, you know, the Simpson family basically used less as a consultant as to, you know, whether or not you should come out. And at the time, the rams had the 29th pick, so I think it seemed relatively realistic. Oh, yeah, like the Rams are going to. The, the Rams could take you at 29. So maybe we declare because maybe a first round pick that got murkier when the rams traded the 29th pick to the Chiefs to go get Trent McDuffie. So like, this obviously worked out for them and worked out and, and, and look like, I think, can you imagine being Ty Simpson like you, you at seven o', clock, you're, you're, you're at the draft in Pittsburgh and you have no idea if you're going to go in the first round. And now you're going, now you're going to go play for Sean McVeigh and you're the 13th pick. It's a pretty good result.
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Ryan Marcillo
Especially when every time we see these guys, you know, it's like, oh, this guy's going to need time. He's going to need time. It's like, yeah, okay, we say this literally about every single guy except for like Peyton Manning and Andrew Locke, and he is going to get that time. Although you never know. Like, if Stafford were to get hurt going into last year, people were like, I don't even know if Stafford's going to make it through the entire season. He wins mvp, so there's certainly an injury part of this. But if Stafford is not hurt and coming off the year that he just had, then Simpson may actually get to do the apprenticeship that all these teams tell us that they're going to do with their quarterback. And then they're 2 and 5, and guess what happens?
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
And from what I need, from what I understand, I think he needs it. You know, like, it sounds to me like, you know, so, you know, just talking to, you know, the coaches and scouts over the last couple of months about him, it. It feels to me like Brent Venables unlocked something when Oklahoma played Alabama in the 10th game of the year. And up until then, Simpson had played really well. But Venables found some sort of flaw in their protection scheme. They already couldn't run the ball, and now, you know, he's playing without a running game and he's getting the crap knocked out of him. And so that wound up speeding him up. I think that's where the inaccuracy started. The people that I've talked to, there's like a little bit of an anxiety, the kids. So he. His feet got sped up. And, you know, I talked to an offensive coordinator about him two days ago who doesn't need a quarterback. I think you'd respect if you heard who it was. And he said to me, he's like, so much of this kid's success is going to depend on where he goes, because you do need to rebuild his footwork after what happened at the end of last year. But if you can, he did a lot of NFL things and made a lot of NFL throws at Alabama, and he had the operation on his shoulders, which not every kid has. And, you know, so I think with. With Ty, it's. It's a weird one because, like, he only had. Has 15 starts, right? But I think what he. I know what he was telling teams was I spent two years practicing against Nick Saban defenses, which is valuable experience. He's a coach's kid. Like, so he has the. Know how he has, like, really good reps on tape, but then there were these inconsistencies that were part of his growth last year. And so you maybe want to kind of bring him in, reinforce the footwork stuff kind of, you know, get his confidence where it needs to be, and then you hope in a year or two that you're rolling. And obviously having Stafford there, they have, you know, all the leeway in the world to sit him out entirely his first year.
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Ryan Marcillo
I'm big on the adversity thing, you know, and ever trying to figure out a better way to do this quarterback thing, which may just be an impossible exercise, but whether it's the Florida State game and getting ass kicked and then they turn things around and then it just starts falling apart. Like Alabama of all playing all programs, can't run the football, can't run completely one dimensional. The offensive line is a mess. I mean, we're talking like they were lucky to get back to the line of scrimmage on handoffs up the middle towards the end of the year. So even though I like the talent receiver, none of it really mattered anymore because you'd just be throwing something outside of Bernard. And then Ryan Williams goes from the second most exciting freshman.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Maybe the weirdest story in football this year.
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Ryan Marcillo
Right?
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Like, that was freaking weird.
- [69:16]
Ryan Marcillo
Very weird. Because he was. I mean, if Jeremiah Smith's not around, we're talking about Ryan Williams. And we still talked about Ryan Williams a ton his freshman year because it was so incredibly impressive. So I think there is at least some, hey, this isn't the Alabama guy coming into the NFL where it was five awesome offensive linemen, two first round receivers, you know, 17 guys that are going to be in the pros that are playing on defense. This was an Alabama team that the quarterback was not just like turning in turnkey, ready made, hey, you're going to be awesome and everything's going to work out for you. We're going to win a national championship. So I think the Makai Lemon pick was interesting not just because of him, who seems to be interesting every time he's in front of the camera. I don't know what that Stevie Wonder thing was that he was doing there, but with the Eagles moving up slightly to make this pick happen, does that tell us then that this A.J. brown thing that has been kind of telegraphed here for a long time, that it's going, it's a certainty?
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Yeah, I think it's, you know, they're down the line on it and I think there are a couple things that can derail it. And this is why it's like really kind of impossible to fully agree to a deal before you get to June 1st. I think one hurdle was probably cleared last night, like, which would be the, well, what if some receiver falls? The Patriots that they never thought was going to get to them and now all of a sudden it's not necessary or like say a Brian Thomas Jr becomes available and like now oh, well, that sounds better to us. So it feels like that hurdle has been cleared now. You know, the other one I think would be, you know, on the. On the Eagles end of it, it's like, it. What if someone has an injury in OTAs and now all of a sudden desperately needs a receiver? Right? Like, so, you know, A.J. brown had on his list, you know, that they gave to the Eagles. Four AFC teams were the. The Patriots, the Chargers, the Chiefs, and the Bills. The Bills very shortly thereafter traded for DJ Moore, took themselves out of that market. The Chiefs and Chargers didn't show much interest. Well, what happens if the Chiefs or Chargers have a injury? You know, what happens if some. What happens if something happens in OTAs and now all of a sudden one of those teams has a need? You know, I think that's where those are the sorts of things that can happen between now and June 1st where you can't fully agree to it because things could materially change. A better opportunity could come available for the Eagles. I don't think the Rams revisit it, but I. But I do think, like, you know, if you look at the Chiefs of Chargers, it's not impossible. So, like, I, you know, I think conceptually the Eagles and Patriots are there as far as it being, like, a certainty. There are just enough variables, you know, over the course of the next month that, you know, you look at and say, okay, like, if X, Y or Z happens, maybe that throws a wrench in it and. And look like. I think both teams wanted to give themselves like, that margin for error. So, you know, I. I think that's sort of what you're looking at. But I, I think. I think AJ Brown will be traded shortly after June 1st for sure.
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Ryan Marcillo
Do you think this was a racist year for mock drafts considering everyone had the Vikings taking thienamin and just kind of like I was the number a number of times.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Hey, let me tell you, I was proud of myself that I comped Cole Payton, the North Dakota State quarterback. I called him a poor man's Jalen hurts, right? So I was very proud of myself on that one. Pretty good, right? And then I comped Drew Aller to Jacoby Brissette.
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Ryan Marcillo
It's hard to do, man. It's hard to do.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Yeah. So it may have been. Yeah, the theme and thing was, oof. I mean, there was a lot of. A lot of Athena Min to Minnesota Smoke without question. I.
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Ryan Marcillo
It was just like, oh, they have Harrison Smith worked out, so maybe they'll do it again. I don't know. I don't know.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
I did the one. I didn't watch it. I didn't watch a 10 of the ton of the broadcast last night, but I did see Thieneman come out when he was picked. Do you see this?
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Ryan Marcillo
So, no, I didn't see him because I have others that I have notes on, but go ahead.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
It's not often that you see like the white guy and that with trying to pull the sunglasses inside or at night, but he tried to pull it off. And I'm telling you, Ryan, he looks like a cop. Like, he was wearing, like the aviators.
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Ryan Marcillo
It's just like Top Gun volleyball scene there for you. I want my defensive backs, white or black, doing stuff like that, all right? I want him wearing chains during the game. That just tells me, like, your head is actually on straight, because that's what I want you to be about. You know, speaking of looks, because I was trying to figure out which draft room was better where Reuben Baines family went with the UPS theme. And then Peter woods went with a remake of Belly.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
See, I'm hearing about this stuff for the first time because I was doing. I was on TV and live stream ups, so they look like it was
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Ryan Marcillo
just all it was. They weren't wearing actually UPS uniforms, just all brown suits. All brown suits. But I'll tell you this. Like, when you look at the time with Laura Rutledge and in those moments with some guys, you're like, what the hell's going on here? I was doing way too much of I was on the fence about this guy, and now I thought this was a disaster. So I'm being right and it's totally unfair. I don't even really even mean it. When Reuben Bain started talking about, like, it's on and popping, and he was like, mad at the world that he ends up going 15 to Tampa Bay. I want to actually ask you about Bain because it seemed like he is the epitome of, like, what football people would like. But then you see the note that he has the shortest arm for any edge guy draft in the first round since 2003. Like, I love that that's even being kept track of. Give me kind of like a reaction of people around the league leading up. And then ultimately, I don't know if you have anything taken him there.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
It was interesting because, I mean, I think, you know, like, the. The car accident thing came up and, like, it was something I was aware of, you know, in. In February. And, you know, so you look into it. And the one thing that was interesting Was like a lot of times when you start to dig into something like that, like you start to find stuff that's worse. And with him, it didn't go that way. With him it was like, no, this is a pretty good kid who tried, who made you, you know, tried to make that right.
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Ryan Marcillo
And, and the story was just to clear it up in case anybody doesn't know it.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Yeah, it was, it was, it was, it was tragic. It was a, you know, a car accident, I think, on I95, you know, in South Florida, you know, you know, like, like I, you got, I think he got, got, got cited for, for reckless driving, is in four in the morning and, you know, someone in his car, you know, tragically passed away. A girl who was, who was in Miami for spring break. And you know, I, Reuben Bain, to my understanding, doesn't drink, so. But he wasn't given a sobriety test. So there was some like, question over what happened that night and all of that. You know, then I think, you know, like a lot of us had kind of known about it and then it wound up getting out there and becoming public within, you know, around a week before the draft. I think Ollie Connolly was the name of the guy who reported it. And by then I had kind of like, you know, you keep asking and asking and asking. It's like, is this a character issue? Is this guy. And I mean, it sounds crass, but like, the arms were a bigger issue for teams than character. Like, character. They were like, no, like, you know, obviously it sucks what happened and it's horrible, but like, the character's fine. You know, like, like it seems like he's a good kid and you know, obviously, you know, terrible mistake and everything else and you know, like, I'm sure there's a lot of regret over that night, but like, you know, he checked out okay character wise for us. So the arm line thing was, was very real. You know, like the arm line thing. I, what people kept saying to me about that was circle the teams that are big analytics teams and they will not draft him. But you know what's interesting about that part of it is Baltimore is one of those teams. My understanding is Baltimore really liked him and he would have. And he was a consideration for them at 14, you know, where they took the Penn State guard. Like, that was a very real consideration.
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Ryan Marcillo
Who I love, by the way.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Yeah, the Penn State guard's a badass. You know, like I, but he, like, so I think Bain is one of those where the hard thing is, it's. And this Is almost becomes like one of those, like, you know, being able to explain it to your owners things, you know, like, where it's like there's no historical comp for him. And so, like, if you miss on him, it kind of hurts a little bit more organizationally. But he is such a good football player and. And look like Jason Light, you know, in Tampa has some job security to do something like this. And they've had, you know, different types of pass rushers there. They had Hassan Redick, they had Jason Pierre Paul. They've had the big long guy, they've had the shorter guys, they've had big guys, they've had small guys. They draft collage Canci, you know, very small for a defensive tackle, you know, and that's very different than some of the other D linemen they drafted via the ve obviously would be an example of the other end of the spectrum. So I don't think it's a shock that Tampa wound up taking him. I had them taking Mazador because I had bang, gone earlier than that. I know, but I know they had that position circled and. And so, you know, they're, I think, to their credit, Tampa's one of these teams that is really open to. We'll take guys of different shapes and sizes and we'll find ways to make it work. And clearly that's what they. What they plan to do at Bain.
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Ryan Marcillo
Last thing. Anything juicy to be thinking about paying attention to for day two here.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Yeah. So, again, since my mind is a, I'm going to have to pull up the best available here. But I would say, you know, a couple like, to me, like, corner becomes really interesting what happens with Jamad McCoy, because I think, like, a lot of teams viewed him as. Some teams viewed him as best corner in the draft. I can tell you that for a fact. So when does it get to the point where you're comfortable taking him? That's an interesting one. You know, there are good edge rushers on the board. Denzel Boston is still out there who I think has got a chance to be, you know, a really good weapon for you. I think you're going to see some receivers go to. So Branch Brazil is a fascinating one because he's somebody who is maybe as talented as anyone in the draft of the position, but there's a million character things that you have to sort through with them. Bell from Louisville. So I think you're going to see, you know, another four or five, six receivers go in the second round. And then I think, like, the big question always is where does the next quarterback go? And like with the makeup of the class, it wouldn't surprise me if none of them go tonight. Now I think, you know, Beck's got a chance, Nuss Meyer's got a chance, maybe Aller's got a chance, but I think there's a possibility that none go tonight. And that's the history of the draft too by the way. Ryan, if you look historically over the last 25 years, there's a massive number of quarterbacks that go in the first round and then in the second and third round the number is way, way, way low. And the reason why it's logical, right? Like it's if you think the guy can be a long term starter for you, you're taking him in the first round. If he can't be a long term starter for you, well then in the second and third rounds you're going to be looking for long term starters at other positions. So you know, we'll see what happens with the quarterbacks tonight.
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Ryan Marcillo
No, it's a great point. And I forget, I don't know if it was Kevin Clark who first shared it with us because it was years ago and I've never forgotten it because he was like basically a gm, had told them there's no such thing as second round quarterbacks because it just means you'll take them in the first round which then tells you like to your point, if there's no second round or really even third round quarterbacks, which look sure there are, but that's also telling you how much the position is being overdrafted which may be weighs into why we have kind of like north of 50% bus rate on these first rounders for like 25 years.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
I have the data here for you. So the going back to 2000, the last 26 draft classes, 77 first round quarterbacks, 25 second round quarterbacks, 35 third round quarterbacks. So like way lower numbers in the second and third rounds and like over the last four drafts there have only been two quarterbacks in the second round. The last time there were multiple quarterbacks in the, in the second round was 2014, which I believe was Car and Garoppolo if I remember right. So that was the last time there was more than one quarterback selected in the second round.
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Ryan Marcillo
So 12 years. Yeah, yeah, there you go. That's why we have you enjoy tonight and where can we check you out? You going to go back live or.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
No, I'm not going back live, but I'll be on social media and I'll be available. I. I won't be hard to find. I'll be right.
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Ryan Marcillo
And if you're an Ohio State fan, you'll enjoy his tweets too, as well. On top of everything else, Big day for the Buckeyes yesterday. Thanks, Bert.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
All right. Thanks, Ryan.
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Ryan Marcillo
You want details?
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Albert Breer
Fine.
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Ryan Marcillo
I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.
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Ryan Marcillo
I have every toy you can possibly
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NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
imagine, and best of all, kids, I am liquid.
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Ryan Marcillo
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Albert Breer
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Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Oh, he looked like an auxiliary guy. Okay.
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Ryan Marcillo
Yeah, we didn't even know. I'm learning this right now in real time. I didn't know he was.
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Albert Breer
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Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
People are sending me. I don't know if they're in your tag. I didn't go. I did run through your entire Instagram because I didn't know you had this type of gold. You know, at the end of the rainbow. So I didn't check your tag yet, but dudes are now sending me other pictures. Shades in Vegas type shit. So I might have to go scroll through your tagged photos. Probably be a lot of this show I got to get through, But I'm excited for once we sign off.
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Albert Breer
Yeah, there is a. There is a album cover reference. Yeah, that was at the. At the floating pool at MGM Vegas. Which is why I brought that up because that was literally us probably losing 400 bucks. Not even that I bet, at that time. So, yeah, there's a lot of truth to everything we say, but it was. Yeah, it's probably one of the funniest responses we've gotten on anything.
- [85:00]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
It's been great.
- [85:00]
Ryan Marcillo
Were you guys extras in that train scene in Carlito's Way?
- [85:04]
Albert Breer
That was a good one.
- [85:09]
Ryan Marcillo
Well, anyway, great work. I've watched it 10 times and I laugh at something. Well, there's only so much. So I think I have it covered now after watching it 10 times. But for whatever reason, it just makes me laugh so hard. Especially with Kyle at the end the last line when he's like, wow. So, dude, that's still up. That's crazy. Yeah.
- [85:28]
Albert Breer
Huh.
- [85:28]
Ryan Marcillo
Whatever the line is, it's perfectly delivered. Thanks. And just incredible performance from you two guys. So.
- [85:36]
Albert Breer
Still got it.
- [85:37]
NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Thank you.
- [85:37]
Ryan Marcillo
Still got it. Yeah. Just every now and then you get a remind. Right? Let's see. Shirt off at the gym.
- [85:43]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Sure.
- [85:44]
Ryan Marcillo
We can do this on a Friday. 65200, pickup comp. Tom Gugliato. Good at a lot of things, not great at anything and wasn't a three point threat. Dude. I think Prime Googs is pretty nice, though. Watch Sting with Gugliotta and Eric Chenoweth in Atlanta once. Shout out. Yeah, googlyada was like, I watch you and Van Pelt every day. I was like, yeah, you did pretty well in the NBA, huh? Yeah. Like super young guys. Be like, I watch you. I watch your midday show every day. Well, maybe things will pick up. Or. I can't believe. Congrats on how well they've gone. My pickup days are over and now I'm more of a stationary bike and elliptical guy due to a hip injury. Big fan of the show. Just got my lady in on your travel pods. All right. I said I was done with him after maybe St. Barts, but Portugal seemed never. Never is a long time.
- [86:35]
Albert Breer
What, are you gonna stop travel? I don't know. It's. Maybe I'm wrong. I think you're gonna keep doing them.
- [86:40]
Ryan Marcillo
You think I'll do them for the rest of my life.
- [86:42]
Albert Breer
Well, that's aggressive.
- [86:43]
Ryan Marcillo
I didn't say that. But do you think I'll do one at 60 years old?
- [86:48]
Albert Breer
Maybe. Do I think that the Portugal one was your last one? No, I don't.
- [86:52]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
That's not by a long shot, buddy.
- [86:54]
Albert Breer
If the over under is like three and a half, I'll take the over.
- [86:57]
Ryan Marcillo
Okay? Yeah, I think that's totally fair. I've never said that Portugal is my last one, but St. Bart's one. I was like, this might be over anyway. I'm in my late 30s. I've been around sports and gyms for most of my teenage and adult life. I typically work out four or five days a week to stay in shape, flexible, keep the dashboard tuned up like that. As a result, I've seen a lot of poor gym etiquette in my day. Long monopolizing supersets. I had a guy doing chest in the pec deck the other day and I was like, oh. And then he did like a real, real stakeout. He put like a towel and water bottle and all this stuff around the pec deck while he went back to bench. And it was like, come on, man. No one actually owns the earth, right? Long monopolizing supersets, not returning weights, using benches as a table to place belongings. Most result in internal frustration and adjusting my own routine. However, there was one recent case where I felt like I had to say something to set the stage. I mostly work out in our neighborhood fitness center. It's larger and has more equipment than most hotel fitness centers. It has a cardio deck area for core stretching cable, squat rack, bench press, free weights up to 80 pounds, a few machines, two saunas. The HOA management team check in on the fitness center almost daily, but there isn't a full time staff member there. It gets a good amount of use in the mornings and evenings from families in the neighborhood. All right, so this sounds like you're in some sort of development and there's a centralized. We had one of those when I was back in West Hartford. I did not use it a lot.
- [88:22]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Neighborhood Fitness center threw me off. I was just like, yeah, right, collective, what's going on here? But kind of with an hoa, I guess.
- [88:29]
Albert Breer
So now I understand it's like a prison. There's just definitely one side.
- [88:34]
Ryan Marcillo
Because if you said, hey, neighborhood gym or whatever, how is somebody not there? And as you know, when you're in some sort of HOA deal and you have one of these gyms, there's almost never going to be anyone around. A few months ago, I went to the gym on a Saturday morning to get a workout, and there was a kid, early 20s, on the treadmill, no shirt on. From what I hear, He's a former D1 swimmer. There was also an older gentleman in the gym. When I got there, the kid without a shirt immediately caught me off guard. Well, yeah, but if he's a D1 athlete, I might just take a side.
- [89:04]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
To be honest, he kind of treads in those shirt off areas, too. No pun intended.
- [89:08]
Ryan Marcillo
Right. If you're a swimmer.
- [89:09]
Albert Breer
That's right. He thrives in it.
- [89:10]
Ryan Marcillo
Yeah. Yeah, right. He's taking his shirt off all the time. So I started my typical warmup, Some stretching, body weight, strength work, and elliptical, while stewing on whether I should say something to the kid. While I was doing that, the kid began a treadmill and strength training superset. He would do a treadmill sprint, then sprint to the machine. He would do a treadmill sprint, then to the machine, like a leg press to do a set, and then back to the treadmill. I did this for a little while. It's awful. It's not cool, but I would do it at hotels at this point. He's sweating like Patrick Ewing at the free throw line. That's a lot of sweat. For the young listeners. That is just a Niagara Falls of perspiration. And he's not making any attempt to wipe the equipment down. All right, well, that sucks. This is the breaking point for me where I felt like I had to say something. So after I finished my warmup and went over him and said, hey, man, you got to wear a shirt in here, he immediately fired back, where does it say that?
- [90:02]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
What are you going to say now, dude?
- [90:03]
Albert Breer
Honestly, he thought about this then? 100%.
- [90:06]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Also, your problem was the. Was the message, right? Your message was, you're everywhere, meaning your perspiration, not the shirt thing.
- [90:16]
Ryan Marcillo
Yeah. Not knowing the exact rules of the gym, my response back was, you just need to wear a shirt. This is a family gym. I'm not sure why I went with the family bit, but it was the first thing that came to mind. He went back to running on the treadmill, and I got into my workout. He ran for another couple minutes and put a hoodie on and left. Needless to say, he did not give me a have a good one on his way out. After he left, I went over and checked the fitness center rules and didn't see anything about having to wear a shirt. I also looked into other gym rules and, like, I thought they do not allow dudes to work out with a shirt. I brought this scenario up to multiple friends and neighbors and have gotten a range of feedback. I figure the scenario is right in Ryan's alley. How would you have handled it? Would you have said something or just let it slide considering he wasn't technically breaking the rules? Look, I think common sense tells you you're supposed to put a shirt on, it's a shim. And if you're also sweating all over equipment, like, if I were to ever dance this dance, if I were ever going to be like, say I was in. Actually, when I was in St. Barts, they let you work out with your shirt off, I think. But they make you five island vibes. Yeah, yeah. They wanted like you didn't have to take your shirt off, but it was like this shirt was staying on. No way. But that was like an outdoor weird, like tulum themed kind of jungle gym thing. So anyway, the point is almost anybody that's been in the gym game knows, like in a gym like this, you have to wear a shirt. Okay, so if he's doing the where does it say that? Even though I want to give him the nod because he's a D1 and he's super sitting treadmill sprints with leg presses because he's alpha ing the shit out of you. And that's what I wonder if you're actually more upset about, is like, you see this guy and if he's a specimen, although if he's a mess, that's actually funnier and I'd be like less inclined to want to say anything to him. So yeah, he kind of alpha you a little bit, but you're not wrong. So, you know, it's just up to you how much you want to start policing everybody. My guess is if you weren't 6, 5, 200 pounds, you wouldn't have said anything to him anyway. So maybe it's a win for you. But I don't think your friend group should be saying, well, if it doesn't say it in the rules, then he's good. Because that's just insane. That's just, that's just not the way it works.
- [92:23]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Yeah, with one of these things, I think the approach is sort of like, hey man, we all live here. We're all just trying to do our part.
- [92:28]
Ryan Marcillo
You know what I mean?
- [92:29]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Like that's, that's, that's, that's kind of the way that I would approach it. But again, I'm kind of on the sidelines with this. You Know, shirt off everywhere type of deal. I mean, there are a couple years, like, we've been over this. That. Yeah, I felt pretty good about it. But outside of, like, a pool man, I mean, it's pretty much on. Minus that one little tussle I have with my brother during the Pat's playoff run. Like, my shirt's pretty much out of the pool. Dry off for a couple minutes. We'll pop. We'll pop the tank on or something, you know? So I don't know. I guess my perspective is different. You know, if you're somebody who's looking for shots to take it off, maybe. Maybe you actually. Maybe there is a leg to stand on here. But I think for a home gym where everyone's sort of, like, doing the right thing, like, I think that's the perfect tone it takes. Like, come on, man. We're all just. Well, we all lucky to have this thing. Let's just keep it nice. The whole shirt off is, like, what you're really upset about. You're not offended that he's got his shirt off? You just saw what he did to that leg press. And he gets up and runs back to the treadmill. You're like, are you kidding? That should be the message, I think. Not like, you shouldn't be allowed to do this and try to find some byline somewhere.
- [93:31]
Albert Breer
Yeah, it's similar to Ryan's. Like, are we stealing the hot sauce at Chipotle thing?
- [93:35]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
I had the thought as well. There probably is a rule, though, somewhere that's interesting. Yeah.
- [93:41]
Albert Breer
And they're. I mean, I don't. There might not be a sign that says, hey, don't do that, but I don't have much else to add. I think you guys nailed it. Like, it's just. I'm probably not, like, you know, gonna fight this guy over this. But the shirt off guy, like, that's just the lifestyle that guy is looking for. Just situations in life to take his shirt off.
- [93:56]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
And I've never been that guy.
- [93:58]
Albert Breer
Seems to be that guy. No, I know. Yeah. If you're hot enough and you got a good enough body and you're feeling good about yourself, like, I get it.
- [94:06]
Ryan Marcillo
Seattle guy. Remember that guy never had a shirt on.
- [94:09]
Albert Breer
There's plenty of great.
- [94:09]
Ryan Marcillo
I don't think I saw that.
- [94:10]
Albert Breer
Like, yeah, that. We had a guy in college, he just never wore a shirt. He played lacrosse, just didn't wear a shirt pretty much all the time to class, maybe that's about it. But just, like, around the dorm, never had a shirt.
- [94:19]
Ryan Marcillo
Did he Ever try to go to class without a shirt on?
- [94:21]
Albert Breer
I don't think so.
- [94:22]
Ryan Marcillo
Do you think they let you do that down at the.
- [94:24]
Albert Breer
He hooked up on like the first night we were there too. He was just like on a different level than everybody else. He was also two years older than everybody.
- [94:29]
Ryan Marcillo
It was kind of a first night hookup guy.
- [94:32]
Albert Breer
Yeah, yeah, no, he was like kind of a legend. Yeah. And I wanted to hate him, but I couldn't. And he was actually awesome.
- [94:40]
Ryan Marcillo
Like third weekend this guy hooked up on the first night.
- [94:43]
NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
He did.
- [94:43]
Ryan Marcillo
Yeah, man.
- [94:44]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
If I woke up tomorrow, like shredded, I'd probably head into town. Shirt maybe on the shoulder, like in case they say you got to put it on. But if I woke up tomorrow and it's like brand new, brand new me, like, I'm going to give it a shot. I guarantee it. I guarantee I'll keep this. I'll keep it around my neck in case they're like, hey, man, just pop that on real quick.
- [95:02]
Albert Breer
There's a chance younger Kyle I could see being a no shirt guy.
- [95:05]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
He was, he was. I mean, probably not the first one, but it's like, oh, we're popping them off, let's go.
- [95:10]
Ryan Marcillo
Cargo shop boxes bunched up at the top.
- [95:13]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Jean shorts. Try jean shorts.
- [95:16]
Ryan Marcillo
How many pairs of jean shorts do you still have in rotation?
- [95:19]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
I have one, but they fucking look
- [95:20]
Ryan Marcillo
weird on me, man.
- [95:21]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
So I just, I couldn't get rid of them. I tell you, when I moved I was like, come on, man, should we, should we get rid of these? And I just couldn't do it. So I do have one pair of jorts.
- [95:29]
Ryan Marcillo
I don't know, you gotta get on that revolve thing. I was sorting out their jean short options last night.
- [95:35]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
These ones have fringes on the bottom. I don't like that. You know, I like the john cena sort of like, you know, nice tight,
- [95:41]
Ryan Marcillo
crisp edge, a clean hem.
- [95:44]
Albert Breer
Yeah, but then you don't want the tight Euro ones either that are basically like skinny jeans cut off.
- [95:48]
Ryan Marcillo
No, no, Those are weird.
- [95:49]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
No, It's a delicate dance with the jorts, I'm telling you.
- [95:52]
Ryan Marcillo
Are those compression jean shorts? What's going on there?
- [95:58]
Albert Breer
They're leggings with their. Just jeans.
- [95:59]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
At a certain temperature they all become compression shorts.
- [96:02]
Ryan Marcillo
In my experience. I like to drive around in the summer with my shirt off in my car. Just reminds me of the old construction days.
- [96:11]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Just pretending. You got a bench seat.
- [96:12]
Ryan Marcillo
Yeah, yeah, right. I know. I'd like to put a bench seat into an suv. Just make that like a Customized thing. But any of that customization on the car stuff, you're like, hey, what are you doing now? Because no one's going to want to buy this from you when you're done with it. So it's like putting a Cars for Kids man slide on your house. Although I guess that's easier to take off. I trampled your line, Kyle. It was probably a good one. Do you want another chance?
- [96:37]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
No, just cars for kids.
- [96:38]
Ryan Marcillo
I don't know. Okay, yeah, Cars for kids. Bench seat in a Land Rover. All right. Hey, this is actually useful on our Caddy guy. We had someone hit us up and go, hey, guys, massive fan since the SVP days. I do wonder, should we come up with an official Rosillo timeline of you're either SVP and Rosillo days, although the NBA today days overlap with SVP and Rosillo. And then do we do before me, though?
- [97:06]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Then you emerge as dual threat, or is there something after before dual threat?
- [97:10]
Ryan Marcillo
Well, you can't skip canal because we do have some people. Like, there's references of hey, fans, since we're still a Canal day. Somehow Canel was like, is there any way I can be Canel and Marcillo? I'm like, after the fight I've just had with this place, getting my name on the screen thing in the first place. No, that's a no. Then there's a kind of weird solo post canal phase and then a lot
- [97:33]
Albert Breer
of people jumping on the bandwagon then. Yeah, it was just like the summer of a different host every day.
- [97:39]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
You were just buried.
- [97:41]
Ryan Marcillo
Billing was still fine, but there was a perception. There was a momentum time there in 17 where it was like, this guy might be done. I never thought it, but. So maybe a Will Kane phase then? A dual threat phase, Kyle, great call. So then, should everything post dual threat be the Wargon phase? But now we're in a new phase because we're not war gon.
- [98:04]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
No, because Wargon, I was there for the name change. I mean, I didn't even get pulled off as producer until like 23. I feel like.
- [98:13]
Ryan Marcillo
I don't know.
- [98:13]
Albert Breer
Was it that long ago? Yeah, Wargon was.
- [98:15]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Only it was just one summer when we were coming back and it was like, hey, you're not doing this part, but you can do that part. So, yeah, I was there for a while on the ones and twos as well. So I don't know. Worgon was like, what, 23 to 25? Was it two years?
- [98:30]
Albert Breer
I don't think he was even like the full Time.
- [98:32]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Yeah, because you guys, he was like the Monday guy.
- [98:35]
NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
Yeah.
- [98:35]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
And then it was just a.
- [98:37]
Ryan Marcillo
That's right. He was like the Monday guy. And then we had a rotation of guys and we appreciated all the guys wherever their deal was. But then Morgan kind of became the guy. I don't know if there's anybody who's going to be like listeners since the Jeff Rickard days. I don't think that'll happen.
- [98:52]
Albert Breer
Night.
- [98:53]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Who's that?
- [98:53]
Ryan Marcillo
Yeah, yeah. Is that a. Well, there was a rotation of game night people, so it was me. John Seibel Gottlieb was in the mix, but he was promoted pretty quickly by the time I'd gotten there. Of course, Freddie Coleman, the og Tons of hours there. Amy Lawrence, who bet me that J.J. redick wouldn't be in the NBA lottery. And I said that he would be. She still never paid that bet. The zone days. I had a college buddy that was like, hey, you're friends with him. He mentions you on the pod. And he was like. Said something like he's still arrogant or something. And I was like, yeah, but you know, you're in Massachusetts. I'm like, I expect that. That's like, I didn't expect a compliment or anything nice from anybody there. All right, so back to the more important stuff. We'll try to finalize that timeline for those of you that care. Probably not a long list. All right, so couple things to know about the stream song Caddy email. So this is for our guy asking about trying to get a caddy to get that one extra birdie a day to make the round that much special. More special. It's 45 minutes. My house. I've played it probably 30 times. First, it's in Central Florida in the summer and there's not a tree on the property. You all caps do not want to walk in the summer. So I don't remember the specific date. Maybe this guy's emailing even better than he might have locked in when that was actually happening. I'll double check that in the next email. Also, if your group is taking carts, they will make you take a four caddy for the group. One caddy per four person group. Seize your guy will get. Seems like your guy will get what he wants. Four caddies are awesome. We had at Pinehurst. I absolutely loved it. And then they're going to help you out on the green anyway. So. Especially if you get a hold of one and they like to leak out a little. Right. Every now and then.
- [100:35]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Does four caddy just mean I'm like everybody's guy today.
- [100:38]
Ryan Marcillo
No, it means he's down the fairway, looking at everybody, piping their drives all over the place, and so that he's got. He's got eyes on everybody's drives, especially if you're not super accurate and playing it down the middle of the fairway the entire time. It's really nice because whenever you're playing a new course, like, the biggest thing when you're not great off the tee is this is going to suck because I'm never going to know where the ball is. Like, I can pretend, hey, I saw it going by that bush or whatever. But, like, anybody can understand this. When you're playing your course all the time, you kind of know where your ball's going to be if you don't see it land perfectly. And so to play a place like Pinehurst and then have four caddies a couple different times, it was like, oh, this is such a relief, because if I get a little wayward here, so I'll check the date on that there a little bit, but I thought that was important. Just trying to help out.
- [101:24]
Albert Breer
Yeah.
- [101:25]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Wait, so he's your guy. He runs ahead of you every hole.
- [101:29]
Ryan Marcillo
Kyle.
- [101:30]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Kyle.
- [101:32]
Albert Breer
Yeah.
- [101:32]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Okay.
- [101:32]
Ryan Marcillo
He's not just like, this is the guy on five or something, and he
- [101:35]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
helps out everybody who's fucks up this dog leg or something. He's your guy the whole time. Okay. And so you never really get to talk to him because he just runs ahead to the next thing.
- [101:45]
Ryan Marcillo
No, you get to talk to him. He's not on hole two as you're finishing up putting, he's then helping you read the greens. He's telling guys against the grain, like me. Yeah, it's a little against the grain. Okay, let me adjust for that.
- [101:57]
NFL Draft Analyst (possibly Daniel Jeremiah or Mike McShay)
That sounds good to know.
- [101:58]
Albert Breer
Okay.
- [102:00]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
All right.
- [102:02]
Ryan Marcillo
I finally told. I was like, you can stop telling me where the grain is, man. Look, it's not going to change. It's going to have to happen.
- [102:08]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Yeah. It's actually a little more embarrassing.
- [102:11]
Ryan Marcillo
And this one guy that's asked you about the grain, it's not helping him either. That's funny.
- [102:19]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
All right, well, that's good context.
- [102:21]
Ryan Marcillo
Yeah. Kyle, you'd be an awesome 4 Caddy. Yeah, I think you should do that one day a week.
- [102:29]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Guys, need anything from the turn? You're going to be a while. I'll be right back. Just fill it out.
- [102:35]
Ryan Marcillo
Where are you guys are smoking on the greens? Because I could just rip one. I can just get ahead of you guys on these tee shots and then after your second shot and your third chip on, I'll put this thing out. Flip. If the smoke's going to bother you during putting, I can do that for you. All right, Ryan, also named Ryan. 30 years old, D1 athlete, football. Used to run a 439 at 165. Now weigh 240. Getting back at the gym, hitting 225 for six peptides. Question mark. Haven't taken them. I don't know. Ask my buddies for player comp. But they refused after calling out our other buddy, Pat Bev, which he did not like. I don't know. I think there's a compliment in there. Potentially. Potentially, yeah.
- [103:24]
Albert Breer
Pat Bev is not a terrible guy to play with at the YMC or have you on your team at the ymca, you know.
- [103:31]
Ryan Marcillo
No. If you said, hey, like roommate basketball equivalent, like that's what we should be doing is not what is your game like? But whose basketball game best reflects who you are as a roommate. That might be the next level of this. All right into the story. Been on a lot of dates lately. For the most part, been going well. One girl, let's call her Sophie. That's a great name. Is a somewhat client of mine. Great girl. And I could tell the first time we met, we would hit it off. We ended up seeing each other more and more frequently within the last three months. And I finally had the courage to ask her out. She said yes. Well, of course, bro. You ran a 439 at one point. We had a great date at a hockey game. But find out she's 38 years old.
- [104:27]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
What is his age?
- [104:29]
Ryan Marcillo
I forgot already. 30.
- [104:32]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Okay.
- [104:33]
Ryan Marcillo
It's not nothing but been dating around and having fun. But I think I'm ready to settle down. Don't know if I want to have kids, but the age thing kind of throws me off. Don't care what others think. But do want to know if this is actually practical? Let me know what you gents think. New listener because of Netflix. Hey. All right. Shout out reminder. We are on Netflix for every episode.
- [104:57]
Albert Breer
Hell yeah. Yeah, this is a tough thing for three dudes to talk about. Anybody want to go first? I mean, yeah, I get it. And it's, it's, it's, you know, 38 is kind of that, that age where
- [105:10]
Ryan Marcillo
it's, you know, the, the.
- [105:14]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
I mean, the trump card here is like, well, happens the other way all the time. So it's like, if that's the argument you make, I got nothing for you.
- [105:21]
Albert Breer
But I'm saying it's not the argument.
- [105:22]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
It's not nothing, though. It's not nothing if you're saying like, we're just, you know, 30. 30 means you were just in your 20s where it's totally acceptable for you to not know what the fuck's going on. 38, you'd kind of expect to be on some sort of track somewhere. So like there, there's, I think those like development. There are development years in there that you guys are. There's, there's quite a gap. So if you, if you were even just feeling that, I would understand, let alone what happens when I'm 40 and she's 48. You know, all that.
- [105:49]
Albert Breer
To clarify though, I'm talking about. He's talking about having kids and she's 38.
- [105:54]
Ryan Marcillo
Right. He says he doesn't know if he wants kids.
- [105:56]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Just one finder. Yeah. So it wouldn't be up to him,
- [105:59]
Ryan Marcillo
I think, depending, right.
- [106:02]
Albert Breer
The age gap, to me, I don't care at all. Like, that's like, dude, like for you to have Michelle Pfeiffer today, she still looks good, you know.
- [106:09]
Ryan Marcillo
Fife dog, Check it out.
- [106:12]
Albert Breer
Different one. But yeah, the other fact.
- [106:15]
Ryan Marcillo
Were you done surdy because I interrupted.
- [106:17]
Albert Breer
Yeah, no, I just want to clarify, like, I don't have an issue with
- [106:19]
Ryan Marcillo
the age gap at all really.
- [106:20]
Albert Breer
It's like, it's just he's, he's. I think he. Is he worried about a biological thing?
- [106:25]
Ryan Marcillo
I think that they're all saying here, even though he does say, like, I don't care what anybody thinks, dude, she's 38. She's not 68. So, you know, like how many guys? I mean, maybe you have a friend group to be like, oh, you know, whatever. And like when you're entering 30, you're still sort of like 26 anyway, you know, so maybe this is like the first time for you or whatever. But like, as far as an age gap thing, to me this is literally nothing. Probably not the direction that I would be thinking about currently. But I'm just telling you, like, I don't know how many guys the, the timeline of this of like how many guys go, I don't want to have kids, then maybe I want to have kids to, oh, I want to have kids. I don't think it goes from I don't know if I want to have kids to now I definitely don't want to have kids. I think maybe that happens with women more than it happens with men. I don't know. Maybe my sampling, my polling is off. But if you're at 30 going, I don't Know, if I want kids, then it's a very scientific thing here that you're facing. And the biggest thing is, does she want kids? If she doesn't and you're with this person and you're in two years going, like, hey, I think I do, then you're still, obviously, as a guy at 32, you can pivot and do something else, but if she wants kids and then you're not sure, and then you drag it out and then she's spending this time with you, like, there's going to be some nasty, nasty, like, resentment of, you know, I wasted a couple years with you when I was still in this window, and you're on the fence and everything. So, like, you might have a serious breakup just because of your uncertainty about the entire thing. And you. And you may not know. Like, some people absolutely know. Like, I'll never forget some of my. My friends when we were in college. Like, I was always so shocked at, like, how much they would talk about family and be like, I can't wait. I can't wait to, like, have. And I'd be like, dude, I can't imagine avoiding anything. And then, you know, unfortunately, avoided it a lot longer than I thought I was going to. But you, I. I don't know if I'm even right on that. That, like, if you're at 30, going, yeah, maybe. My guess is if you're at. Yeah, maybe at 30, at 35, it's a definite it. And then maybe she's missed the window or maybe again, if she doesn't want. I just, I'm very big on, like, if there's another person that's in that age range, a woman, like, you can't with them when it comes to this kind of stuff. And I, I think you have to think about that more than anything else, more than yourself, because that's the part that, you know, we have to remind ourselves of. Like, if it were reversed, like, that'd be an awful thing to have anxiety about of, like, am I hanging out with the right guy? Like, you know, I've only got so much more time here. Like, it sucks. And so you can't mess with a woman when it comes to that stuff unless she doesn't, you know, want to have kids and you can just hang out and it's up to you.
- [109:17]
Albert Breer
So how do you be upfront with that then? Because that's, I guess, the question. Like, you, you maybe the first few dates, like, don't obviously come gum, guns blazing, like, what your wants and needs are, but you know, make it kind of clear within the first, like, month or so. Like, this is kind of something you'd be interested in. And. And then, yeah, I think it's totally okay to pursue and figure it out. You don't have to avoid it just because you're scared or you don't know. But I think you have to make your intentions relatively clear quickly about what the future would be like in a situation like that.
- [109:45]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
It's not a crazy question to ask as an adult on a first couple of dates. You're just like, is it something you want for yourself? Not like, do you want to have kids with me? It's like you're asking, where do you see yourself? That's a totally normal thing. I don't want to talk any more about this because I think I'll ramble, and this isn't something I want to ramble about.
- [110:02]
Ryan Marcillo
So you just go ahead. Wait a minute now. I might want you to ramble.
- [110:07]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Yeah, I'd just be in a corner somewhere. I'd rather talk about jean shorts and four caddies.
- [110:14]
Ryan Marcillo
How's that chain treating you?
- [110:16]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
It's pretty good. I got a second one. I think I miscommunicated a little bit. I thought kids got a thick neck, but I think that the 20. The 20 is a little short, so. So there is a 24 coming on the way. So I will have two chains.
- [110:29]
Ryan Marcillo
Yeah, that's nice. Inside of that 24.
- [110:32]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
I think so. I really think so.
- [110:35]
Ryan Marcillo
Have you seen that Kill Tony where the guy's just wearing that gold chain and they just are killing them, being like, dude, nice choker.
- [110:45]
Kyle (Producer or Co-host)
Is it? Oh, is it? I haven't seen it.
- [110:48]
Ryan Marcillo
It's tight. And somebody goes like, where did you get that? And then Gillis just goes fifth grade. So he's good for this. He's good for this. He's very good. Very quick, Shane. I think things are going to work out for Shane Gillis. That's my call. 2026 reminder. You can see his show on Netflix. You can also see this show on Netflix. So if you want to watch the full episodes with Albert Breer, who is working a crazy pink thermal waffle thing today. It looked good.
- [111:20]
Albert Breer
I noticed.
- [111:20]
Ryan Marcillo
I loved it. I was embarrassed. I was intimidated to even ask him where he got out. I may text him later, maybe this weekend. So everybody have a great weekend. And again, thank you to Kevin and to Tom and Deserti and Kyle. Please subscribe. Brian Rosilla Show Arsenal Sports. Sam.