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LIVE FROM CHICAGO! NBA Draft Lottery Recap w/ Mark Titus, the Wemby-less Spurs Lose & Knicks Sweep
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Ryan Rosillo
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And then I'll be doing that if we do 10 good minutes tomorrow, which I'm still not sure because we're live here in Chicago. I'm here for the combine. I was at the drawing yesterday with all the team reps and selected media and all that stuff. I'd never done it before, so I'm kind of cool that I got that experience. So a little bit later in the show, after we have Titus on, we, we will get to how that works. I don't know that we'll do a ton of time on that, but let's start with Minnesota tying this series against San Antonio. How did that happen? Well, a few factors. The biggest one is that Victor Wembanyama ejected with a flagrant two for an elbow. I thought it was the right call. By the way, Tirico, you know, it's one thing to know the game, cause I think there's some play by play guys out there that are really good at it, but they don't necessarily like know the game. And you can still be great at play by play and kind of get away with that. Tariko knows the game, but then he also knows every fucking rule. Sorry to swear so early, but I'm passionate about this. He basically before Zack Zarba explains what the flagrant two definition is, Tirico's almost got it like word for word telling you that's how a Flagrant 2 is interpreted. And you're kind of like, well, that's kind of what Wembanyama just did. And then Zarba does a great job, looks into the camera to the arena and is like, all right, you know, here's the three things. And Weminyama did all of them. Yes, he was fouled before they clotted his arms and his coach had his back. Like every single coach the same as Dagnall in OKC saying, hey, we'll expect anytime, anyone else's trip to have the same recourse as Dort. And you're just like, all right, relax. But I can be annoyed. You can be annoyed, but you can't be surprised whenever the coach, after the fact, has the players back, even when they probably shouldn't have the players back. It's just what they're going to do. So, sure, if you're a Spurs fan, I. I would concede if they just call the first few fouls, but you know how many times you could call fouls when somebody's corralling a rebound and then trying to figure out what their next move is? Like, they're just not going to call this stuff. And guys are like, just look, think about this, spurs fans. How many times do you think that The Timberwolves with DeSuma was fouled on those last two possessions and the inbounds closed the game? Like, there was incredibly physical play that they were letting them get away with and they're not calling those fouls. So to not have that foul called before, I get frustrating. Also completely understandable and kind of what happens on that play. And when Yama just loses it and he's ejected and that changes the game. In the second quarter, there was a stretch where it looked like Minnesota was going, all right, you know, we have a massive advantage now because this dude, defensive player of the year is no longer back there, discouraging not just drives, but even any decisions around him. Although I'd say for the game, it felt like Cornette held up pretty well. So there was a second quarter moment where I'm like, this might get ugly here because it's one thing to go, hey, he's not in there. Let's keep attacking. And then kind of seeing how you can attack and what you can get away with. And there was again, that stretcher. I'm like, all right, this is maybe where the game is decided. Not the case, though, because it's still only 60:56 at the half and has 18. There's a third quarter run in here from San Antonio, where you've heard me say this before, like, is Minnesota, like, whoever that team is in that spot, like, you guys are really going to lose this game at home. Down two one. And now one of the best players in the league is ejected. And that's what it felt like because this 122 run by San Antonio was just incredible. A lot of quick decisions, not a lot of freelancing, which I think Their freelancing hurt them closing offensively in this game. But this stretch during the third, very controlled but quick decisions. The curl for Vassell coming off the ball totally by design. Castle gets downhill, Harper gets downhill for the N1. Harper has a pull up ISO where he liked the matchup. Keldon had a really nice drive. He did miss the layup, but it was a great look. And then they had this kind of double drive thing where then they turn back around and give it to Vassell because both drives were cut off. But it's action. It's, it's, hey, make the defense do something, react to us. It's kind of that giddy stuff that I talk about. OKC does it a lot where it's drive and then you're driving without really thinking you're going to get a shot off, but you're just trying to get somebody like behind you, almost like a clear running lane to go through. And Vassell doesn't even necessarily get a clean shot, but he hits this ridiculous thing angled off on the backboard. So it goes from 66, 64 Minnesota to 76, 68 San Antonio. I thought Cornett was, was great just getting in the way. It wasn't about any of the box score stuff just getting in the way. So as this is happening as the team that's at home with more playoff experience going on, Mr. Playoff Experience steps in. And that's Mike Conley, who is, as I've said, you can tell from the minutes here kind of unplayable. But then he hits two threes, like the four threes that he had in game one. So he's making the most out of these minutes. They're not playing bones anymore, which is not surprising whatsoever. They didn't play Clark last night, so it was kind of like seven guys with 10 minutes from Conley. But I thought the play that he made to end this run was so smart and exactly what they needed and speaks to like Conley's smarts and being a vet is that it feels like this game's slipping away from them. There's still plenty of time because it's the third quarter, but he just initiates contact to get a free throw and he gets to the free throw line and, you know, he played three minutes in the second half. I thought that play was massive in this game. And I'm not like pointing out the random thing that almost most people forget, but Minnesota needed some kind of reset, and I think that play and Conley calming things down, getting to the free throw Line and stopping that momentum was huge. So the fourth quarter is all ant in the first 7 minutes, 14 points. In the fourth, with 5 minutes to go, he had a 3 where he's doubled. Because San Antonio is going to start coming with the hard doubles. They're going to be like, hey, you can. You can do whatever you want, Ant, but, like, we're going to come with these doubles. They double Ant. He gets the Nas on the right side. And guess what Ant does? He moves. He doesn't just stop playing basketball because he doesn't have the ball anymore. He moves. He moves to another spot. Because when you're doubled and you get rid of the basketball, you are, believe it or not, allowed to move again. And he moves and he hits a three off of this and gives him the lead. 98, 97. And that's where the game starts to go away for San Antonio. I love that three so much because, you know, after that, he's got one more make the rest of the game. So, like, hey, the defense and all that kind of stuff work, but it's just. It's. It's not even that hard. And yet I'm going like, God, this is so smart. And another thing to point out during this closing group is Minnesota's running out Rudy. They're running out Nas, Randall, McDaniels and Ant. That's a massive five guys against Cornett. And then whatever guard San Antonio wants to throw out there because they don't really have a power forward unless you think that's Harrison Barnes or Keldon Johnson, because they're kind of not. So Ant and Jaden McDaniels play all 12 minutes. Nas and Junior are playing. I probably shouldn't call him J.R. julius Randall, my notations, nine minutes apiece, and then Rudy 8, 10. So on contested balls, it's a massive advantage for this group, even if we all like all the players on San Antonio, this is just physical math stuff, but you could see it play out, especially on, like, an Ant offensive rebound where he's the smallest out of all the guys. Think about that. And then he gets right to the layup. And that shot was like a huge, huge moment in all this. I'm going to point out something else here that may feel like a bit of an overreaction. So Minnesota has got Ant cooking, but he's exhausted, and we all know he's not right. He had that breakaway where I think Shannon flipped it up the head to him to. To get the dunk on the fast break, and. And Shannon could have taken Himself, but he got it to Ant. Reggie Miller talked about, like, how great that was. What I have also noticed is announcers don't do this anymore. They used to do it when I was younger. They'd be like kids. For the kids that are watching, I feel like the kids are being ignored on the broadcasts. I just don't hear it anymore. So that play, you could see how Ant dunked it, what he doesn't have. So he's dealing with double teams. He goes on this scoring barrage, and then the use it or lose it timeout presents itself and San Antonio calls it at 3:58. Again, I may be overreacting, but the way the use it or lose it timeout is used is so elementary. It's just like, hey, we're going to lose it if we don't use it. You've heard the saying, let's make sure we call the timeout. Why are you calling the timeout? To let Ant go into the back tunnel where they joked that he was going to get oxygen. I. I think he actually was getting oxygen. And it also allowed for your next offensive possession to let Finch put Rudy back in. There are too many teams, and I think Mitch Johnson's terrific. And again, I could be overreacting. There could be some other thing that I don't know about, but that timeout is being called just to be called and ignoring. I think some of the basketball stuff that you should be factoring that should outweigh this. Like, you should probably not want Ant to get the rest. You should probably want that next offensive possession to not allow Finch to get Rudy back in there defensively. So just something to think about. Maybe I'm. It's not why they lost the game, but I just see too many guys just call that timeout because it's like, oh, well, I'm going to lose the timeout if I don't call it. Well, what if the timeout benefits the other team and not you? What's the point of calling it? And how about Rudy? Rudy Gobert. He's from France. I remember doing the draft. I'm like, I don't know if this guy can run. Then Defensive player of the year a few times, great for him. But he's also the guy that once you play with him, you learn, don't pass it to him. We saw it in Utah. We've seen it with Randall. We've seen it with Ant. Poor guy sitting there sealing up a six, five guy, arms wide. His passion never deviates whatsoever. I'm open. I'm open. He'll do it for two and a half hours knowing no one's ever going to pass it to him. It was even funnier when IO got traded and he didn't know that you weren't supposed to pass it to Rudy or when Dillingham got drafted, it was like, hey, dickhead, we don't really pass it to him. He's not good once he has the ball. And this isn't a Rudy shit fest. It's just the truth. I've watched enough. I will not debate this with anyone. Rudy, of all people, gets an and one on a pass and then off off another play. Like, he closes this game out. He closes this game out with teammates passing to him, which never happens. He got two passes in the span of a few minutes. Like, he could go an entire game not getting two. Looks like that. So good for Rudy. I have some Castle thoughts. I think I'm going to save them because I did a bunch of numbers on, like, catch and shoot and the way he's being defended then dribble jumpers. And by the way, like, all the numbers are really, really good. But I couldn't help. This will be a segment next year. I couldn't help but thinking, and look, every number kind of backs him. And I like him. Harper was unbelievable last night. He is going to be absurd. He beat Jade McDaniels off the dribble in a way. It's like, look, everybody gets cut at some point. He got him. And I'm like, that doesn't happen. And some of the stuff he's doing defensively and the composure that three that he hit in the left side, it's like, I wonder how much the coaches talk about, like, should Harper be in charge of more of these possessions than Castle? Even though there's not really a number here that I could find, maybe I could find it that would say, because some of the Castle stuff gets like, really, really erratic. But then it's a bit like my Carl Anthony town stuff. I'm like, is that what you're going to do on this drive? And then it works so much that I'm like, hey, just shut up. The Castle, it works that much. But there's some little Castle stuff that I've been noticing where it makes me think, like, is it too soon to let Harper close some of these possessions on the ball in a tight spot again? Tabling that one for later, we'll have more time to talk about this series. With three games to go, we have no games to go between New York And Philadelphia. The Knicks, in historic fashion, eliminate the Sixers the first quarter. They make 11 threes, which ties an NBA playoff record. They have 25 threes. It just never stopped. Like, you know when you watch the Lakers OKC in game three, and you're like, look at that great Lakers shooting in the first half. And then you go automatically like, that's not going to happen in the second half. And it did not. OKC ran away from him. But 25 threes for the game, that also ties a record. I was watching the first quarter stuff again this morning and how often they put Embiid into the decision. I think I. My count was five threes against Embiid, which was a part of it, but then they made everything else, too. So you can't just blame Embiid, but you can at the 20 to 6 score possession. This. I had to watch it multiple times to figure out how many different times Embiid was wrong here. And this will not be 10 straight minutes on how bad Embiid is on defensive stuff. We'll. We'll get to more things, I promise you, but we're going to finish with it. Um, somehow, Miles McBride and Brunson are on the same hot side, and I say somehow, VJ Edgecomb had to be responsible for both of them, while Embiid was responsible for neither of. So VJ runs ahead to McBride because McBride's ahead in transition on the catch. So Vijay is going to what he thinks is the better threat because of positioning and then the ball going from Brunson to McBride. So now Embiid's like, oh, I'm not going back there to get Brunson. Totally understandable. McBride throws it back to Brunson. VJ knows that Embiid's not making it out to Brunson, so he should now be able to go out to McBride because he stayed lower. So Vijay sprints over to Brunson, who then gets it to McBride. During the time that Vijay's recovering to Brunson and McBride is standing open, Embiid looks at him and then just turns around and goes back into the paint and actually boxes out. I think cat on the other side. And then Vijay's looking back going, oh, I. I guess I have both guys. Imagine running in transition, backpedal. Like, I have ball and I have the other guy, too. That's what this play was.23:6. Another one of the threes. So the Knicks close out the second round, now headed to the Eastern Conference finals with the number two offense in the playoffs. The number three defense, the number one net rating. That Atlanta game definitely helps that number because OKC is just behind him by a couple points. Number one in rebounding, number one in shooting. And that's with no OG Anunoby in the last two games with his hamstring injury. Where you could maybe make the case if you were doing all NBA teams. I haven't done this pointless exercise because it is still pointless. But would OG be first team all NBA playoffs? I mean, this is how absurd this guy played. And on top of what he gives you defensively. All right, so no OG in the last two. And it actually got worse for Philadelphia. It got so bad for Philadelphia yesterday that Josh Hart said after the game, I thought Philly was a sports town. They put Embiid up on the Jumbotron early, and he got booed. You would have thought the game was at msg. And I guess this happens now because so many Knicks fans are like, it's so much cheaper to drive 90 minutes and watch the Knicks play in Philadelphia because the MSG prices are absurd. So just a tough, tough afternoon for Sixers fans. I know you don't want to hear it from me right now, but we're going to. We're going to close, and it'll be like the last time I talk about Embiid for a really long time. So we'll all take a break. We'll go in our separate ways. Three things. I think positive, then negative, and then the reality of where the Sixers are at right now. Positive. Great backcourt. I love those two guys. Could you say, hey, maybe together it's not the greatest thing ever? Maybe it's also why they traded McCain, which I know everybody's super pissed about, as he makes a ton of threes for OKC and really probably could have used him on offense. Yep. Long term, though, I think Philly, you can say they're wrong for doing this. Most of you would. But they were like, so we're going to extend another small guard that's a liability on defense who's never going to start for us. Or you could just say, hey, look, he's too good, and we didn't bring anything back. And the players were frustrated by them not bringing back somebody that they thought was ready for their playoff rotation. I think both of those sides of the arguments actually can both be considered the correct way to feel about it. But every time McCain hits a shot, especially if he plays like Finals minutes, have fun with that. But we love the backcourt. The VJ thing's Going to work, and it's going to work for a long time. Maxi is knocking on the door of a top 10 player in this league. Paul George, despite the age, looked better. I thought he closed the regular season looking better. He had some playoff moments. He had some great games against Boston. Embiid came back. He came back from surgery 17 days later, played in all these games. And, you know, the resume for his playoff, I mean, I don't know if it's real or not, or if he was just coping a bit, where it was like, hey, this is a great season. I think personally it's probably a great season for him because, again, he was dealing with the injuries, but he was able to close the playoffs with his team. And if you don't like Embiid, you would have held it against him for not getting out of Game 7 against Boston, a team he always loses to in the playoffs. So you got to give him a little bit of credit if you were going to hold him, hold it against him for that. I think you have to give him a little bit of credit for, like, well, look, at least they won that game. And offensively he turned into a real problem for the Sixers in the second half of that series. In the 31 comeback, the negatives, Paul George, with no Anunoby in the last two games, still finds a way to completely disappear, like the old playoff P that we used to make fun of all the time. So in the most Paul George game ever, in game three, he has 15 points in the first quarter. He's unstoppable since that time. The next seven quarters, he scored seven points total. That's a point a quarter, folks. That's not very good. So he's got two more years at $110.7 million. He's got a player option at 38 years old for 56.6 million. Going to go ahead and report. He's going to pick that one up right now. So, yeah, they're guards, as much as I like them. You want to talk about easy work for the Knicks backcourt because it's Maxi and because it's. It's VJ and then it's Grimes. And then you figure, like, we can put Paul George on somebody. We put Uber on somebody. But, you know, even Atlanta had some moments where it was a lot harder for Brunson because of Daniels and Alexander Walker. Obviously, C.J. was somebody they were going to hunt, but it felt like it was way easier for this backcourt matchup in New York in the second round than it Was even in the first round, despite running away in that series against Atlanta. Game seven against Boston, I did the positive version. Let's do the negative version of that series. Like, yeah, Embiid got out. He also played two backup centers and Garza, who's a third stringer. Boston, I thought, had a terrible series as far as adjustments. And maybe we're looking at this Philly team after getting swept, going, all right, maybe Boston was a complete mess and that wasn't that big of a deal. I don't think that's entirely fair, but you could do that argument the next day. All right, so we're left with, as we close, like, was Philly sort of fraudulently built up coming back from 3:1? Who cares, man? They came back down 3:1. That's what will be remembered. And again, Embiid hadn't beat Boston. He had those series, the game seven loss a couple years ago where they lost both of those games to close that series. So, you know, you got to give them a little something. But bigger picture, here's the part that sucks, and some of this isn't new. The only game the Sixers were competitive in this entire series, the one Embiid didn't play. And we can talk about him not missing a shot and the shooting and the offensive skill, but he's got to get back to playing basketball and not being obsessed with free throws and contact. This guy is like something happened with him where it was like, hey, if I get this many free throws, I'm going to score this many points. And then my advanced stuff is going to say that. I don't know that he was actually having this conversation with himself or anyone around him, but he's not really playing. He's going to get his 20 shots, he's going to get his 10 free throws, he's going to end up with like 30 plus. He's going to get rebounds because of his size. Defensively, he has a massive, massive liability. And we can say, well, he's got the knee injury and then he came back with the surgery. Yeah, but what looked different? Like, did you watch him in the playoffs and go, oh, man, he looks so different. I feel like this is kind of what he's looked like for a couple years. I don't know if he'll spend the entire off season. Like, I think the only chance he has is calling up Duncan and saying, when you decided to lose all that weight at the end of your career, how did you do it and how did your body respond? And it's like Hey, I added another four plus years to my career, maybe even longer, I think for Duncan, actually, when we first started worrying about his foot problems, he dropped significant weight and it made him a better player and it was just better for his body. So if Embiid can't lose weight, then it's never going to work. And I still don't even know that that's any sort of guarantee. But there's also a basketball part of this where I felt like he's prioritized the wrong things inside of the game were. Yeah, man, cool box score. It looks awesome. He is an expensive now liability for this team if it doesn't change. If you've been listening to this show, you know that all three guys on this have a good chunk of their paycheck going towards fashion. And that's why all of us gravitate towards Revolve Man. You're not drowning in 10,000 results or 50 pages of product. If you want the haymaker names in fashion, that's where I'm going. What do they got? What is new? I can't believe they even have this. And it's all edited in a way that makes sense. Everything is styled so you can see how it works. Not just a product on a white background, but a whole outfit. It's not about one piece, it's about the full look. 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Mark Titus
Made the hard pivot from gold to silver. And I've been getting nothing but compliments and long stairs, so.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right, so he went two chains. Kevin Gates, two phones. What do you got? Some sambas.
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Brandon Walker
These are my handball shoes.
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Ryan Rosillo
Oh, man. You're playing handball this week.
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Brandon Walker
I wasn't, but I could.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, no, I think they're actually playing handball this week here. I grabbed. I was at Prism nightclub last night, just incredible set. And I bought that Mercedes Benz Y3 leather jacket and I wouldn't even. I wouldn't have seen that where I normally shop. So I was pumped for you. Whether it's a big night out, a wedding, a trip, or you just need something last minute that actually works. Revolve man always has it. Go to Revolve.com Resillo to shop and use the code RESILLO for 15% off your order. Free two day shipping, easy returns. It just makes everything easier than that's Revolve.com resillo r u s S I L L O. Use code resillo for 15% off your entire order offer and soon. Don't sleep on it. Live from the mostly sports studio. Half of mostly sports, maybe.
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Kyle Boone
The better half, maybe.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Some people say, mark Titus, I'm in your studio, so I can't even say yours.
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Kyle Boone
Give me your honest thoughts. Give me your. It's. I, I, I, I can take it. Give me every. Every thought going through your head right now as you're looking around this studio.
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Ryan Rosillo
I like it. The Pitz noggle jersey's incredible. Game worn.
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Kyle Boone
Yeah, I don't know about that. That's our. That's our emergency. So we wear jerseys on Thursdays, and if someone forgets a jersey, that's our emergency. That's our break. Yeah, jerseys is what we do. Yeah, it's really. We're good at.
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Ryan Rosillo
Give me some of your best jerseys that you have.
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Kyle Boone
Oh, my God. The. My favorites. I have a. I have a Denver Broncos that has no name or number on it. It's just a blue jersey that has it. They forgot. The fanatics sent it in and they forgot to print something on it, and that became my favorite jersey. It's a choose your own adventure. Denver Broncos.
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Ryan Rosillo
Usually Fnatic sends those gifts to try to get, like, tastemakers to kind of come their way on stuff. And now it's like, what do I do? Yeah, I'm having a problem with these armrests.
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Kyle Boone
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Very early on. There's an adjustment needed to be made.
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Kyle Boone
You're in the brain of Walker seat. Everything's broken over there.
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Ryan Rosillo
But what was he bitching about? He was saying how, like, I'm gonna use your studio and then not come on your show.
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Kyle Boone
Yeah. Yeah. You're. You've become a white whale on our show, which is very fun. Like, I'm not telling you what to do. I just think the funniest play is that you record your show in our studio, but you never come on our show. That'd be very funny.
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't go on a lot of shows.
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Kyle Boone
Very funny. Connor Griffin, who you've met a handful of times, he's become very weird about it. Like, he, he thinks it's like. He thinks it's like his measure of a man is, like, whether or not he can get you on our show. And I, I want him to live in that torture. So I don't want you to come on our show, but I love you and I, I want you on our. You Know what I mean? So, like, it's. It's somehow, like, infecting me a little bit. But, like, it's all very funny. It's all very. In the meanwhile, Ceruti, you were taking strays on our show not too long ago when, When. When Brandon Walker was just like, I have no idea who Saruti is. When the two of you broke bread together.
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Brandon Walker
Yeah, we met.
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Mark Titus
Yeah.
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Brandon Walker
Yeah, he is. I don't. I don't want to say insecure is the. Is the word, but Brandon's. I don't know, it feels like he's just like, hey, you're a big deal, dude. Like, just accept it. Like, you know, people know who you are.
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Kyle Boone
Yeah.
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Mark Titus
Okay.
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Kyle Boone
Yeah.
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Brandon Walker
Flex your muscles a little bit. So, I don't know. We had no beef. It's okay.
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Kyle Boone
No. So this will be the resilo universe mixing in with. With all of us. All of us animals here in Chicago. This is going to be good. I'm excited.
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Ryan Rosillo
And for the record, the reason why I don't do a ton of stuff is we've been taping like five days a week now for weeks. We usually. We do quite a bit of things. Like, you know, so you guys are scattered all over. Yeah, yeah.
- [29:08]
Brandon Walker
We don't see each other a lot.
- [29:09]
Kyle Boone
It takes. It takes massive events in the world of sports for you guys to all come together in Chicago. And what bigger event than the NBA combine, right?
- [29:18]
Ryan Rosillo
I can't think of many. I mean, obviously the super bowl is bigger.
- [29:22]
Kyle Boone
You do love the combine. I've always loved the combine. You were on the combine? I remember. How many years did you work the combine? Were you on the broadcast?
- [29:29]
Ryan Rosillo
Five, maybe four. I usually am pretty good being able to remember that. But it was an unceremonious end. I was replaced, I think 10 days before it started. So the thing is, is nobody ever wanted to do it, really. Okay. And that was the whole point. Like, I'll never forget the meeting. And I to this day appreciate the guy who brought me in because I was trying to figure out if I wanted to just go, like, full blown Chad Ford and be the draft guy. Like, leave Daily Radio and go, you like the draft more than anything else. Like, could you become that draft guy? And it's always a weird lane for somebody who didn't play. Right.
- [30:06]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [30:06]
Ryan Rosillo
So at one point, if you would ask me, like, when I was younger, if you could do anything, I would have picked that. More so than any of this stuff. Yeah.
- [30:13]
Kyle Boone
Why is that? What about the draft specifically?
- [30:17]
Ryan Rosillo
We're all evaluators really?
- [30:18]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Titus, if you think about it, you're evaluating everything in life, so why not get paid for it? I think it was because I didn't really want to be in the media, and I wanted to work in a front office. So I was trying to figure out, like, oh, is there going to be like a Mike Schmitz thing for me?
- [30:30]
Kyle Boone
Mike Schmitz?
- [30:31]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [30:31]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [30:31]
Ryan Rosillo
Before Mike Schmitz had even happened. But the funny thing is, I was reading in the beginning of being an obsessive draft person, I was getting stuff right and wrong based on what other people were writing about players I hadn't really watched. And then I would get something wrong and then go, well, I can do this on my own and watch and then get stuff as wrong as everybody else does. So it really is a Chad Ford thing, because he was like, you should go to Portsmouth, Virginia. So I went down there. I think the first one I went to was in 2003, and then I would go to Orlando. And, you know, back then, a lot of people didn't go to the things, and you had access, so you could just sit next to whoever you wanted to. Like, you could, if you wanted to go up to Joe Dumars and sit down and say hello. And I was a little bit more aggressive back then about it.
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Kyle Boone
So is that. Is that one of the functions? Is this like a networking thing? Like, I guess my question. You're a combine guy and you're a pre draft guy. What is the objective for the NBA? I mean, you could say it's like, to evaluate the players, but what are we evaluating the basketball is? I mean, can you play or can you not play? Like, what is. What. What. What exactly are we.
- [31:37]
Brandon Walker
Are we.
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Kyle Boone
Are we doing with the combine? Cause fans, I. I find it fascinating that, like, the NFL combine seems to matter to people. Like, the fans. Like, they. They really. They're high on a prospect. He runs a little bit slow. Like, his 40 is like 0.2 seconds slower than we thought. Like, oh, shit, he just fell out of the first round. I don't remember that. I don't remember stories like that coming out of the NBA draft combine. I don't remember, like, guys that we were high on having a quote unquote bad combine or guys or is that.
- [32:05]
Ryan Rosillo
No.
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Kyle Boone
Because they don't play. Yeah. So I guess, like, my question is, like, what is. What is the point of this? What are we doing? What. What. What are the. What is. What is. What is happening this week in Chicago?
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Ryan Rosillo
Actually, the interviews with players is huge. The medical Testing, Especially with the new rule change where it's like, you can't just be a lottery pick and decide you're not even going to do that because you've had draft decisions not even that long ago, where a team. I'd be like, hey, how come you pass on that guy? And they'd be like, because this guy wouldn't. His team wouldn't give us, the NBA team, his medicals.
- [32:33]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [32:33]
Ryan Rosillo
And so when you're freaked out about that. So there's a medical stuff. Yeah. The athletic testing, it just doesn't mean as much in the NBA because I think there's plenty of guys. Remember the old Durant thing where he couldn't win? I think he's gonna be all right. Like, he's probably gonna.
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Kyle Boone
No, I think that, like, I think Kevin Durant killed the NBA draft combine. That's what I. And it's been 20 years now, and I'm still just like, yeah, one of the greatest players ever couldn't bench press.
- [32:54]
Ryan Rosillo
You could argue the NFL combine is, like, actually dumber than the NBA combine.
- [32:59]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [32:59]
Ryan Rosillo
They don't even play.
- [33:00]
Kyle Boone
That's true. They don't even play football.
- [33:02]
Ryan Rosillo
So, like, even if the top guys, like, only a handful of potential first rounders are going to be playing this week, in the scrimmages, at least you can see a Christian Brown, like, run around and go, ooh, you know, like, he pops a little bit athletically. Or you'll see an incredible college player immediately look like he's struggling with the athleticism of just the combine, where most of these guys aren't even going to be in the league all that long. So there is. There is value in some of that, but it isn't just about the. I'm not like, sitting there with a notepad being like, ooh, nice first step. Right. I didn't. I didn't realize that. It's. It's a networking thing, but on the team side, they're interviewing all the players. They're bullshitting with each other. It's just something awesome on the NBA calendar. If you care about the league where it. It's almost like a convention week for them.
- [33:49]
Kyle Boone
Yeah. So I think Edie had a good combine. Right. Didn't he? I guess I was trying to think of, like, guys that. I feel like Zach Edie, like, ran like, a fast three quarter. Is that a test? Three quarter court?
- [33:59]
Ryan Rosillo
I. I don't remember.
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Kyle Boone
I feel like he was, like, more agile because he was thought of as, like a. Like, he had bricks for feet and, like, Wouldn't be able to move. And I feel like he had a decent combine.
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Ryan Rosillo
But they do some, like, different testing of. Of, like, some of these agility drills. And then I think there'll be times where you'll see a guy, like, have a really bad traditional, like, sprint, but then they'll have like, a really great agility thing.
- [34:21]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
For their size. Look, Hanson, Yang, Yang gang. We discovered him last year. You know, I was. I was watching him going, I think there's something to this guy. I didn't think he was going to go as high as he did to Portland. But there's. There's all sorts of secrets that are on earth.
- [34:35]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Watching this. But then, look, we're gonna have. We're gonna have Winger on the show this week. They got the number one pick because I was in the drawing last night. So no conspiracies last night. Unless the conspiracy is that they just made it right on the last one on the way out for the bad teams.
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Kyle Boone
Yeah, the conspiracies. They got so much heat last year for rigging it that they had to give the. One of the top three. They had to give the Jazz, the Pacers, or the Wizards the number one pick. I think that's the conspiracy.
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Ryan Rosillo
Can we talk about the conspiracy, though? Last year, right, because you remember, Cooper wins or Mount Dallas wins it. They win a Cooper flag. Right. So the conspiracy. Remember that guy wrote that really long, detailed thing and his bio looked like it had enough credibility in it. That was like, what is this guy? Business? Real estate advisor, Whatever. What's going on? It was like, here's the whole game plan. And this is why they traded Luca then to go to Vegas, because this bill wasn't passed. All this stuff. I had guys that hate the NBA sending it to me, being like, friends of mine from college being like, hey, did you just. You probably want to cover this on the show? I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, it's convincing. I just like thinking about it, because as they were putting that conspiracy together, like, Nico Harrison going, what's my role
- [35:43]
Brandon Walker
going to be again?
- [35:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, international humiliation.
- [35:48]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [35:48]
Ryan Rosillo
Everyone's going to think you suck. You get fired, family has to move, you never get a serious job again.
- [35:55]
Kyle Boone
Yeah. In collateral damage, someone's got to. Someone's got to get chewed up and spit out. I do think there's a divide between the NBA media, though, the super serious dork types and the people that just want to post on. On the Internet and that, like, a lot of people like to just talk about the conspiracy in the lottery just because it's fun. Just because it's fun to just be like, this is rigged, you know, and, and that's like we're just, we're just shit posting and coming up with memes and, and, and that's just like how people want to pass their time in consuming the NBA. But then like, the more that happens and the more there's like this undercurrent of, of NBA Internet discourse that is just toxic and a complete waste of time, the more I feel like people want to type out like 10,000 word articles about how this could not possibly be rigged. And we swear it's not rigged. And I feel like Adam Silver, because you were telling me the process like you were in the room.
- [36:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Kyle Boone
The links they go to, to convince people that it's not rigged. It's almost like, it almost makes me think it is like it is, it's like funny to get into. They are so desperate to prove that it's not rigged that like ultimately like boner, boner basketball 420 is just still like, nah, don't care. Still rigged. I mean, it's like the more links you go to, it's like the funnier it is for people. Just be like, fuck it, it's still rigged. To me.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, I actually think before the drawing, you can go through the 14 teams and be like, ranked the rigged parts of it. I just recently was talking with Ethan Strauss about this where I couldn't believe that Stern went on with Rome after the Pelicans won the lottery. So they're going to get AD after the Chris Paul trade, which everybody seems to forget. Like, the reason why Stern could say we're not doing this is because the NBA owned the team at that time. It was a really weird limbo ownership thing because they didn't have an owner for that team. And so that had as much to do with it as much as like, I do believe that other owners were like, hey, we don't want this to happen because of the Lakers. But they couldn't do that with anything else. And people could never move off. And they'd be like, oh, why aren't they videoing this one? Well, because they don't own the fucking Pacers. They don't own this team. And then when Rome just goes, so it was rigged, you're like, why? Like, my counter to it being rigged.
- [38:07]
Kyle Boone
My point is like, whether we believe it or not, that's just funny. It's just funny. I feel Like, I think this is rigged.
- [38:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I just don't know why they put AD in New Orleans. And the other one that I always bring up is, like, why do you put Tim Duncan in San Antonio for 20 years?
- [38:21]
Kyle Boone
That's true.
- [38:22]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Like, why would you go with one of the cleanest prospects that you or I have ever seen?
- [38:27]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [38:27]
Ryan Rosillo
Coming into the NBA and in back,
- [38:29]
Kyle Boone
like, Zion was, like, the biggest star coming out of college we've had in a very long time.
- [38:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Right.
- [38:33]
Kyle Boone
And he goes north. I will say, though, I think this might be controversial. I think it's. It's probably good for the NBA that some people do think it's rigged. I think that might actually be a good thing. I think. I think one of my problems with Adam Silver as commissioner is that he. He's running like, a boardroom, and he's very corporate. Obviously, this is not a unique criticism of him, but, like, feel like he is. He sees dollars and cents, and he sees, like, spreadsheets and charts and all that. In the NBA, having heroes and villains and storylines and all this sort of shit, I think is very compelling. And if Indiana Pacers fans walk away from yesterday saying that the league fucked us, this thing is rigged. It's rigged against the Pacers. I actually don't think that's the worst thing in the world. I think the Indiana Pacers fans going into next year believing that there's, like, a conspiracy to keep us down, it's annoying. Don't get me wrong. Like, it's very annoying. If you work in the league office and you have that chatter out there, I wouldn't be annoying.
- [39:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Attention to it. I mean, you think they're numb to it at this point. From every single circle of the NBA map.
- [39:29]
Kyle Boone
I think, like, galvanizing fan bases by saying they don't want us to win. They don't. They hate us. They. It makes them sick if we're good. Like, I think that might actually be a good thing for the league.
- [39:38]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I think that stuff is good as far as, like, the good versus evil. But I. I think it's a human nature thing. You know, it's the same thing as college football. The reason college football is so popular is that it's a perfect extension of human nature and that. And I did this rant years and years ago, but, like, a lot of times you kind of go through life just hoping not to get fucked over. Right. It's just day to day, but you kind of think you are, and then you can work yourself up into this thing of, like, Thinking everybody's against you and that's college football. It's perfect because you're not watching any of the other stuff. You think you drop in the rankings and nobody else ever does.
- [40:10]
Kyle Boone
Right.
- [40:10]
Ryan Rosillo
You're only paying attention to the biases against the things that impact you. And it is, again, an extension of human nature. And so I personally like doing this for this long. I'm probably missing some times where it's accurate because I'm putting it all into the same bucket of, hey, this is the same thing every year. There's always one fan base like, oh, this one. Remember crazy Florida State Twitter there for a while and it was wild. And what they didn't realize, it was like, no. Do you not understand that because you won the year before, you're getting the benefit of the doubt in a way that other teams who have won gotten the benefit of doubt, but you just never paid attention to it before because your team hadn't won a national championship and they were still getting ranked higher and higher every single week that second year, despite not really playing even close to as well obviously as they played the year before. But the Pacers thing, what do you like? I didn't see a lot of it. I don't know if that's because you're from there.
- [41:06]
Kyle Boone
No. Yeah, I mean, I think the Pacers. So, yeah, I'm not a, I'm not like a diehard Pacers fan, but I, I, you know, growing up in the state, it was more college and high school and stuff. And like, the Pacers were like my father, like, the Pacers weren't really around when my dad was growing up and like, so he didn't really grow. Indiana Hoosiers, you were for Bob Knight,
- [41:24]
Ryan Rosillo
but he root for an NBA team?
- [41:26]
Kyle Boone
Not really. Yeah, it was kind of weird because, like, Indiana is such a basketball state. But that was like how he just grew up. He was just like, I don't know. And then the Pacers started, he was like, this is like a fun little sideshow. They might as well been the Harlem Club Globe Trotters to him. He was just kind of like, this is a, this is neat that we have this, but like, I'm not gonna live and breathe with every possession. So like when I was growing up, even though I grew up in the 90s in Indiana and you know, Reggie and it was popping off and the Pacers would always lose to the Bulls, like, I wasn't, I wasn't a super die hard Pacers fan, but I will say that, like, you know, you Keep you. You keep tabs on them. You. You go to games and all that sort of thing. And I always. I always did appreciate that the Pacers never tanked. There was something about that that I felt like, as a guy who believes in Indiana basketball superiority and like, it is different 49 states type shit, I thought that was cool that the Pacers were like the one NBA team that will never tank. And like, yes, it's very stupid to go about.500, lose in the second round, not get a good draft pick, not ever be good enough to win the title. But there was something noble about it. And I think what's so frustrating for the Pacers fans is this was the first time ever in the history of the franchise that they just actively tanked. And not only is that true, I don't know every single season, it's like the first time that the Pacers were like, you know what? We're going to do it. We're going to. We're just going to. We're going to. Halliburton's out. I think they had, like, other injuries to start the year.
- [42:41]
Ryan Rosillo
I feel like I could find a season because I. You're putting me in a spot where I don't remember every single season in the Pacers history.
- [42:46]
Kyle Boone
You're telling me, all right, they, like, they would not, like, they had bad year, like, they would miss the playoffs, but, like, the Pacers would just, like, refuse to tank. And so this year they finally are like, we got to play the game. We're going to because we have Halliburton out. Halliburton becomes healthy. If we can get, like one of these top three picks with a. With a pretty good draft class, like, now we're. Now we're in business and they finally tank and then they make the zoobox trade and it doesn't work out. But I think that's what's got Pacers fans frustrated is like, this was the first time. This is the first time it feels like in the history of the franchise that the Pacers actually tank. They've never had the number one pick ever in the. Ever. They've never even had a number one pick sign in free agency. They came close when deandre Ayton signed, and then he just went back to Phoenix. Um, so I think, like, Pacers fans were really excited about the idea of finally playing the game, quote, unquote. And then in the end, it still doesn't work out for them. And I don't. I don't know if they're. I don't know if the belief is that it was rigged or not. It was just more of like, how can. How can, like, the spurs be so good forever? Have a little bit of a tip, get Wimby. And then now they're back. And then, meanwhile, the Pacers were like, you know, playing it the right way, playing ethical basketball, as they say. And then the one year the Pacers are like, you know what we should do? We should try to do what some of these other teams are doing. Let's tank. And then they get punished for it. I think throughout the year. I forget what the. They get fined or something at one point, like, they got. They got the slap on the wrist from the NBA throughout the year. Cause they were. They were tanking too hard. And then in the end, they don't even get a draft pick in the first round. And I think it's like, what the fuck?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, but I mean, what Pacers fans should do is go, you got incredibly unlucky.
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Kyle Boone
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that is. That is what happens.
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Ryan Rosillo
I mean, because if you look at the zoo Trade, it was 2. First 1 in 29, and then this one was going to be top 4 protected, and then protected 10 through 30, so it had to land in 5 to 9. So once you saw that Memphis went up, Chicago went up, you're like, oh, okay. You know, something. Something's going to happen. Somebody's going to get bounced out of the top four. Which is usually what happens anyway.
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Kyle Boone
It was a. It was a coin flip. It was like a 50% chance the Pacers were in the top four. But at the same time, the Pacers had the same chance the Wizards had. So I think, like, the people that are bad at math say we. We were in the same seat that the Wizards were in.
- [44:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, but.
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Kyle Boone
And the Wizards got the one. Why did we get the one?
- [44:58]
Ryan Rosillo
But what happens is nobody looks at the downside. It's like 50% of it not working out is not nothing. Yeah, 50%, okay. Like, OKC had a 1.5% chance at the number one overall pick because they own the Clippers pick. And that's kind of nothing.
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Kyle Boone
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
And boom, like, they're. They're right where they were supposed to be. So to. To ignore, like you. You just got really unlucky. Now you're still going to. If you're the Pacers, you're going to owe them the 31st unprotected in the zoo deal. So that's what sucks about this, because it's a difference between, like, buying some furniture from someplace and them saying, okay, no payments for 12 months, 0% interest. And you're like, great. And then the equivalent of like, hey, actually that promotion went away. Like, you have to pay for all of your furniture today. And you're like, all right, well, this sucks. So look, they were unlucky. It would have been awesome to have healthy Halliburton adding Zoo, who, you know, statistically is like a top five center, even if you love the idea of, like, having spacing with the way that the Pacers play and that he doesn't necessarily provide that. And then you go like, wait, are they at Boozer or Peterson or debona? I want to talk about the top guys because I know you watch them year round. Oh, yeah. I'm still not where I need to be.
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Kyle Boone
Okay.
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Ryan Rosillo
How many people do you think are in the conversation to be the number one overall pick?
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Kyle Boone
I think.
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Ryan Rosillo
Or do you think it's just one and then the next?
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Kyle Boone
I think it's probably just one. I am. I'm a Darren Peterson guy more than most. And I don't know where the public falls on Peterson now. It was obviously a roller coaster throughout the college season. It was there. There was a lot of the knives came out. We'll just put it that way. And I don't know if people have softened. I don't know if it's. It's like big creatine got to him, and people realize he was a victim in all this. Taking too much creatine.
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Ryan Rosillo
You can take the wrong creatine, which is that.
- [46:46]
Kyle Boone
Is that an appropriate explanation for what happened. You're a weightlifting guy, you're a fitness guy. Is taking too much creatine. Did you hear that story? And you're just like, oh, that makes sense.
- [46:58]
Ryan Rosillo
No, I felt like it was pretty strategic before because I went back and watched that game against. Was it AJ the high school game, the prep game. And he does look different. He looks different in a way where the best version of him is better than any player in this draft.
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Kyle Boone
That's right. Yeah. So I, I'm. I'm very high on Peterson. I think I was referring to him all year as like the. The. And I. And I mean this.
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Ryan Rosillo
And even the head to head game against byu, like after that first half, I'm going, hey, don't forget this. Yeah, it was kind of like the Paolo Gonzaga game.
- [47:31]
Kyle Boone
Yeah, that's where I remember.
- [47:32]
Ryan Rosillo
I was like, hey, when it. When you're six months removed from this game, don't forget what happened this night.
- [47:37]
Kyle Boone
Darren Peterson was The most polished freshman guard I've ever seen that in college basketball. Like he, he looked like. He looked like an NBA player on a college basketball court. And you could say like we get that a lot and that's what you know what's the difference between that and Cooper Flag and Zion and like all these and Anthony Davis. I think it was just like the way he moved and it was, it was like the, a high level understanding of footwork and angles and like being efficient with your movement and, and getting a guy being quick first step. Yes. But then like straight line drives and like the guy is like on your hip and like finishing at the rim and like it was just stuff like that that just felt so advanced at a level that I've never, I've never seen from a freshman before because I think a lot of these guys coming to college basketball having been superior athletes having you know like that that's, that's one of the things that would be a concern with the bandsa if there is a concern is like he's so much more athletic so much longer that he's, he's never really being challenged when he, when he drives and hits his little pull up jump shots. There's never really a hand in his face because he's so much, he's such a better athlete. Peterson his like understand he looks like Peterson's.
- [48:46]
Ryan Rosillo
I think there's a gap between how much better of a basketball player he is and Debons.
- [48:50]
Kyle Boone
He looks like a guy that was like had the raw tools and then was drafted to the NBA team and then spent five years in the league like getting NBA instruction and then now that's where he's at right now. That's what I feel when I see him. But then the off the court stuff or like if you want to call it on court stuff, the, the cramping and the, the you know, does he have the, the heart? Does he have the drive? All that sort of thing kind of became the conversation with him this year and it, and it made sense because you, you heard so much about how great this freshman class was and he was, he was the guy he, I mean like by, I think by the time they entered college basketball I think he was number one and he was like the guy everyone was excited about. And the way Bill Self was talking about him was like he's going to carry us and he's going to be, you know we're, we're just going to put the ball in his hands. And so I think a lot of people got really excited for him. And then in November he's sitting out all these games, he comes back but he doesn't really play full games. And then he's sitting out other. And it just, I think it just became a runaway train and where I've landed on it. After the season has ended, the dust has settled. We all take deep breaths and like really think about this thing. I just, I don't, I don't think the idea that Darren Peterson hates basketball is a fair, is a fair thing to say. I don't, I don't like that. I don't like that. Like that's what, what the conversation became with him. I don't think you can get that good at basketball, get that skilled and not care about the game. Like I, he wasn't good because he was six, nine and a freak athlete.
- [50:08]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, there's some bigs that you go, you hear about and you're like, this guy hates basketball.
- [50:13]
Kyle Boone
It's not like, it's not like someone in his life was like, hey man, I know you want to play trumpet, but you got to play basketball. I'm sorry, you have to play basketball. It's not like that's like he's good at basketball because he obviously has been in the gym over and over and over and over and has like really worked at his game. So I don't know what really happened. I don't know why I, like, I wasn't, I wasn't there. I don't really know. Was it creatine? I don't know. I don't. But like I think that being a college basketball fan and consuming Darren Peterson, the way people were talking about him, you would have thought he played 10 games this year, that he never once played more than like 25 minutes. And then he averaged like 11 points a game. When the reality is he missed 11 games about a fourth of the season. That's, that's kind of a lot. But he averaged 20 points a game. He played 30 minutes a game. Like I think after November you only missed two games. There were some heads but like it
- [51:00]
Ryan Rosillo
was that multiple week stretch where then it became a national story. And then now all of a sudden like for it's in the first take atmosphere of like, oh, these guys are talking about like mid season, like regular season college basketball. And it was like, hey, we've got this topic because it has nothing to do with us having to watch any of these games. And then I think the problem is, is that like you have to look at who's drafting, right? Does Winger in Washington go, hey, I've got enough equity here, because everybody knows how good I've been at my job and all these other stops that I can go ahead and do this. And the fact that we've already traded for Trey and AD and expect to be healthy around all the other lottery picks that they already have, like, you would think he's probably in a safe spot. Utah will do whatever they want to do. Like a front office that would just go, hey, we're fine. Like, I wouldn't be shocked if Utah had the first pick. If both the Angels and Xana just said, hey, we actually still like Peterson better even.
- [51:50]
Kyle Boone
Really?
- [51:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I mean, I think that they'd be the only front office that would go, despite our ownership's attachment to.
- [51:58]
Kyle Boone
Right.
- [51:59]
Ryan Rosillo
I was gonna say, yeah, we're gonna go to our owner and be like, hey, we like people better. And I think Ryan, the owner, would go, okay. I mean, I know people think I'm crazy because I suggested it, like, a couple months ago, being like, they'd be the one team that goes. I know everybody thinks that we're supposed to take AJ but if the evaluation is different on this, and then there's other front offices where. And I don't know that that's going to be the case here with Chicago being a new front office. Memphis with Zach Kleiman, who's. Who's terrific. Like, as respect as it gets. If there was another guy that was, like, his last year, like, hey, you have the next 12 months to prove that you shouldn't be fired, then I think that part of the Peterson decision, like, it's going to go to the other guy, because you know what will happen if this doesn't work out. Three years from now, we're just going to be saying, hey, like, this guy was tapping out of games.
- [52:45]
Kyle Boone
Right, Right. I. I just. I. I think it's. It's fair to pause and think about, like, if you're a front office, you. You can't just scare the.
- [52:54]
Mark Titus
Out of.
- [52:54]
Kyle Boone
Yeah, you can't. You can't ignore it. But I also think that, like, the, The. The conversations about him were ultimately. I don't know if unfair is the word. Maybe blown out of proportion.
- [53:04]
Ryan Rosillo
It was the only. Think about it. It was the only college basketball regular season topic that would make it onto shows that would never talk about college basketball. And that was the problem.
- [53:13]
Kyle Boone
He was. I mean, he was getting, like, the Ben Simmons comparisons, which, you know, on the one hand, I think people forget how good Ben Simmons actually was in college.
- [53:21]
Ryan Rosillo
And how messed up that LSU team.
- [53:23]
Kyle Boone
Yeah. But then on the other hand, like Ben Simmons was very openly like, I don't want to be here. And I like Ben Simmons wasn't going to class, which I know roll your eyes at like, you know, the student athlete idea. But like at the time it was like Ben just, just go to the class and sit there and don't, you
- [53:35]
Ryan Rosillo
know, and he was wanting your draft. I don't want to, wanting your top five player to go to class versus not go to class, I don't think is a bad thing.
- [53:40]
Kyle Boone
Yeah, yeah. And Ben Simmons was just outwardly like, I, I, I don't want to be here. I don't like this at all. I don't like my teammates. I don't like, like what am I doing?
- [53:49]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, I'm not sure that I blame him for not liking that. Yeah, when I went back and like watched all the stuff with him is like, it was four guys that all thought they were the best player on the team. And I was like, this team messed
- [53:58]
Kyle Boone
up teams but, but I, I never got that vibe with Peterson. There was definitely weird shit going on. I think that like, you know, there, if you want to be worried about his health, I do think that's like a fair thing to be. Like, why would a, would an 18 year old, 19 year old have this many cramping problems and have like, is this shouldn't be an issue. So, you know, you want to pop the hood on that and do a medical and see what the hell's going on there. I think all that is fair, but I think the, the idea that Darren Peterson doesn't love basketball, doesn't have a competitive drive, I think that is misplaced. And, and so I'm pretty high on him because I think he, he is to me the best player in this draft. He's, he's the most talented player. He's the guy that moves like an NBA player. And like I said, for all the, for all the conversation about like, he doesn't finish games, he doesn't play games, he averaged 20 points a game with, with incredible efficiency for an offense that like I, I think he points like his assist numbers, especially down the stretch in the season, like he, he wasn't passing the ball at a level that I think people want out of. Like a guy who conceivably at the NBA level might be like a, put the ball in his hands and clear out and let him create for others type thing. He wasn't, his assist numbers weren't great. I don't know the chicken egg situation there because Kansas offense was terrible. Kansas was. Was not good offensively. And I don't know if it was because Darren Peterson's not passing as much or if he wasn't passing, because by. By the end of the season, I was like, you just go do everything for us there. Like, you're the only hope we have. So I don't know. I'm pretty high on him. I imagine by the time the draft rolls around and like, you're saying with Ange at 2 and the Jazz at 2, you know, he took Ace Bailey last year. Like, Ace Bailey was a guy that had a lot of chatter, right? Like, about his mental makeup and his camp and all that.
- [55:37]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, you didn't want to go there. There was all the. The handling of him. And then, you know, no one ever said, like, he was a bad guy, but there was definitely some stuff of like, this guy might be, like, a little too immature at this point. But then I remember weeks before the draft, we were doing a pod, and I was like. And I didn't even really have intel on it, but I was like, he kind of checks a lot of, like, the Ange group over there because Austin is. Is running it more so than Danny is. But there's a bit of a, like, hey, we don't care. Like, we're just gonna go, oh, hey, this guy's this big, and he's this big of a wing. And that's why I thought that ultimately that they were gonna go like, hey, this is crazy that Ace Bailey, after this bad year, Rutgers is gonna fall this far. Caleb Wilson's like everybody's favorite guy right now. Have you noticed this?
- [56:24]
Kyle Boone
Yeah, he's. He's got. He's got. He's a good pre draft guy.
- [56:28]
Ryan Rosillo
If you're just going YouTube highlights, you can't believe he's not going one.
- [56:31]
Kyle Boone
YouTube highlights, like, the physical makeup, the mental makeup, he's a psycho. He's got a very high motor. I think all those things excite you about him.
- [56:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, so when I made mistakes, like in the past, especially when I was younger, these are the guys I make mistakes on because I would just fall in love with them. I'd be like, oh, my God. I mean, Tyrus Thomas is in his own category altogether because he was, like, playing point guard. Speaking of lsu, big men that played point guard, ever make that Ben Simmons connection before these, these freaks that you're like, all right, well, give me that.
- [57:07]
Kyle Boone
Yeah, we'll figure it out later. He's just get him on the team.
- [57:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, he's at a level that is beyond anybody else that we're going to be talking about here athletically. But then I'll always stop myself and just ask a simple question like how good of a basketball player.
- [57:21]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [57:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Is he? And you've watched him year round. I know he got hurt at the end of the season.
- [57:25]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [57:25]
Ryan Rosillo
What do you think?
- [57:26]
Kyle Boone
I mean, North Carolina, when he got hurt, North Carolina was done for. He was, he was that important to them. But yeah, I, I think he's, I think he's a good, not great basketball player. I think that he's, he's a little bit of a potential play. But I think the physical tools and the motor. I think for me it would be more of a, he's like a, he's like a, I feel similarly about the bandsa. Like it's, it's, they, they jump off the screen at you when you're watching them, that they're so much more athletic and so much more dynamic. But then you go back and forth of like when you're playing an NBA game and every guy on the floor is athletic and every guy has length, like, how are you going to stand out? But then at the same time, like, I don't think everybody has length like that. I don't think everybody, like even at the NBA level, I don't think, I think Caleb Wilson is special from a physical profile and from like a motor profile. But like, I, I do think he's good. I, I, I think he's the obvious fourth pick, I would put it that way. And if you, if you want to take him three, if you want to, like, I, I don't think you take him above Peterson or DebonSA.
- [58:24]
Ryan Rosillo
But there's a boozer conversation, I think
- [58:26]
Kyle Boone
there's a boozer conversation to be had because it's, it's more, it's like a philosophy thing of like floor versus ceiling, you know. And I don't know, I don't know what you think. I don't know what GMs think. I don't know what I think, to be honest with you. I think I go back and forth on that.
- [58:40]
Ryan Rosillo
I'd have a hard time with that one. I'd probably go cam, because I think he's just already so smart as a basketball player. Like, hey, I know how the Caleb thing gets fucked up where it's like, you know, there just wasn't enough polish there. I'll tell you, like a guy who's that athletic and that powerful. If I see A few passes. I mean, I don't need three assists a game. I just need a couple that tells me that you're still aware. And he, I think he has that. I think there are other players that are so gifted that they think that possession ends with them whenever they have the ball. It's like, okay, all other options are shut off. And I'm just going to figure out a way to get here. Yeah, there's some pull up jumper stuff that's like really crisp from him, but I'd also say there's a million of those that don't really look that good. Yeah, if you look at the synergy stuff like isolation, his points per shot stuff is pretty brutal because there was a lot of like, I'm just going to get to the rim every time that I can. And there's a lot of possessions in there where you're like, all right, so, you know, is my job on the line if I'm taking them? If I'm picking third here, Memphis isn't. But if my job's on the line, that's going to influence it and I'm going to go. The worst version of Cam Boozer is what?
- [59:48]
Kyle Boone
Right.
- [59:48]
Ryan Rosillo
Because the worst version of Caleb Wilson is like, I'm not resigning you.
- [59:53]
Kyle Boone
Yeah, that's right. That is. Yeah. Cam Boozer is so fascinating to me because he's been basically the exact same player's entire life. And the excitement that people have for him at the next level has just. It's just been a roller coaster all season. It's been like, like at the start of the year when, and you know, this was the best freshman class in the history of college basketball, I think, I think that's fair to say. And you know, the Bonds everyone is high on and then Peterson, you know, like I said earlier, by the time he gets to Kansas, it's like, I think he might actually be the guy. But very quickly it was like, oh, my God, Boozer is going to win National Player of the Year. That's obvious. Duke is. I didn't love this Duke roster this year. I thought, like coming into the year that they were demonstrably worse than last year's team. Last year's team was, like, stacked. Yeah, it was incredible.
- [60:39]
Ryan Rosillo
This was wild to me. Like when, when I look, I thought Arizona was the best team in college basketball.
- [60:44]
Kyle Boone
I did, too.
- [60:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Didn't work out. But like when Duke was getting the number one overall seed and then you're right, like unfairly comparing this year's group to last year's group.
- [60:52]
Kyle Boone
But my point is, is, like, the reason they were so good was Cam Boozer and Cam Boozer, like, right out of the gate, everybody's like, oh, my God, like, not only see the best freshman in the college level, should we. Should he be in the number one pick mix? And I feel like by the time the season ended, people just. The way they're talking about him is he just kind of fl. He, like, he. He just plays, like, a gross style of basketball that he just plays bowley ball and jumps into people and draws fouls and. And on some level, that there is. That there is, like, a little bit of, like, you know, he's. He's limited on the low block with, like, what he actually does. Like, he just kind of, like, is very physical and grabs rebounds and started getting some Angel Reese comparisons, which you never want. You never want the Angel Reese comparisons. He was getting. That. That's ridiculous. Yeah, that was ridiculous. But then, you know, you catch him on some stretches, and he's missing layups and grabbing it and going back and just like. And then lays it in. You're like, all right, well, that was cool. Against guys who are, you know, six, seven big men. Are you gonna be able to do that in the league? The one thing I'll say about him, his IQ is off the charts.
- [61:54]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, you run the offense through him, and it's good.
- [61:57]
Kyle Boone
He was. He would bring the ball up for Duke. Like, they would be. They would be pressuring the guards, and he, like, inbounded. They just throw it right back to him and let him bring it up and initiate the offense. He's a great shooter, extremely skilled. So I, I. I find him so fascinating because, like, when I watched him in November and when I watched him in March, he was the exact same player. He was the exact same player the entire season. The conversations have changed a thousand times about him.
- [62:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [62:22]
Kyle Boone
And he's another guy where, like, I'm not really sure where people have landed on him, but it does feel like by the time Duke got upset by Yukon, I mean, people were like, do you even take Cam Boozer top five? Do you even take, like, the tournament
- [62:34]
Ryan Rosillo
crushed his momentum coming out of the Michigan game? Cause I think after the Michigan game, and then you started looking at the analytics part of it, too, where you were just like, sweet. Is he just finishing up the greatest single, like, points per possession season we've ever seen?
- [62:46]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [62:47]
Ryan Rosillo
And you're like, okay, well, that seems high.
- [62:49]
Kyle Boone
Yeah, that's.
- [62:50]
Ryan Rosillo
That seems high that he's, you know, some of the net Rating stuff where it's like, he just finished up that kind of statistical season. The tournament crushed him a little bit. I think even the TCU game, you were like, you know.
- [63:00]
Kyle Boone
Yep.
- [63:00]
Ryan Rosillo
Although Jamie Dixon, he had those guys ready. You knew that it was going to happen. Outside of those guys, let's get through a few names here before we say goodbye to you. Are you a Flemings or Acuff guy?
- [63:14]
Kyle Boone
Fuck.
- [63:15]
Ryan Rosillo
Wow. Sorry.
- [63:17]
Kyle Boone
I think, I can't believe I'm saying this, because Darius Acuff was my favorite player, I think the country this year, but I think I'm a Fleming guy. I think I have to be more of a Fleming guy. What scares me about AOFF is it's hard not to think that he might just be like Trey Young, which for a college guy like me, Trey Young was incredible. Trey Young led the country in scoring an assist.
- [63:40]
Ryan Rosillo
That team stunk.
- [63:41]
Kyle Boone
That team stunk.
- [63:42]
Ryan Rosillo
Right. And I did think he maybe, like, had a year of just super bad habits. I have a feeling that Trey Young was going to play like Trey Young no matter what.
- [63:49]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [63:50]
Ryan Rosillo
But sometimes I'll wonder, like, was that where it went? Like, hey, I am this. Look at all these points I'm scoring. Look at all my assists. Like, of course I'm gonna do this. And then the officials were like, hey, we're gonna call everything on.
- [64:01]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [64:02]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, we're gonna hook this guy up.
- [64:04]
Kyle Boone
Yeah. So I, I, it's, it's hard because I, I, I do think Acuff, I, I said this to Trey.
- [64:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Would have loved to have Acuff's running mate, by the way. Oh, my God, that guy's Nas Johnson.
- [64:13]
Kyle Boone
Yeah, I, I said that Acuff was Cal's best college guard. I got a lot of pushback for it because I think, I know I got a lot of pushback for it, but if you look at actually what they did in college, I think he was, I, yeah, I don't, I stand by it. I think, like, John Wall and Derrick Rose have good cases. Derrick Rose wasn't quite as good in college as people remember. They just remember that he went. He wasn't the best player on his team, by the way. John.
- [64:37]
Ryan Rosillo
No, but Rose. Rose's weird draft thing was, like, it was Beasley all year long, and then all of a sudden you're like, hey, Rose is getting by guys in a way that is the charts.
- [64:46]
Kyle Boone
Rose was awesome. But I'm just saying, like, in college, like, the one year he had in college, he wasn't doing what ain't doing
- [64:51]
Ryan Rosillo
it wrong with Me, My bad. Johnson. But, but yeah, Johnson on the mind. Sorry.
- [64:56]
Kyle Boone
Anyway, my point was like, Acuff was, Acuff was that dude. Like, he was, he was incredible. He played his best basketball in their biggest games. And Arkansas became like a trendy pick to go far in the tournament just simply because of him. I do worry. Is he just the, the, the Trey Young model of. Not exactly the biggest guy in the world can score and can set up his teammates, but he has to have the ball in his hands at all times. And if he's a traffic cone on defense and he's playing, you know, he gets drafted to a team that already has like, a guy who's like, hey, that's our point guard. Or that's our, that's the, that's the guy we play through. And Darius Acuff isn't, doesn't have the high usage rate. That does worry me a little bit. That does work. Is he good enough at creating his own and creating for others that you can, like, justify, you know, giving him the usage rate that he had in Arkansas? Having said all that, I, I, he was by far the most fun player to watch this year. Like, it was, it became appointment television by the end of the year. And his aura was off the charts. I don't know how much that factors into your, your draft decisions, but, like the cutoff, the cutoff shirt. Oh, my God, like a throwback to the 90s. Like having a guy wearing a cutoff T shirt underneath his.
- [66:03]
Ryan Rosillo
I still wear those.
- [66:04]
Kyle Boone
And the braids and like the whole, and like the, he had the sweatband on the, off. The off arm, you know, like the whole thing. I was just like, this is, this is awesome. This whole experience is awesome. But yeah, he does feel like a guy that, that you get swept up in and the whole college thing of, you know, but then you realize, like, he's, he's only, what, like 6, 3, 6, 2.
- [66:23]
Brandon Walker
Can I interject real quick?
- [66:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Whoa, he's Rudy. No, no.
- [66:26]
Brandon Walker
He's the perfect Brooklyn net, right? Yeah, like, he, they need that guy.
- [66:31]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [66:31]
Brandon Walker
They need any sort of relevance. Just like, hey, give him the ball and just figure it out. Like, we need to put butts in seats. Like, who cares if you're actually good or not? Like, he is. He's a perfect Brooklyn Net.
- [66:41]
Kyle Boone
That is true. Yeah, he's a he. That's a great point. Go, come out. Watch Darius ACUFF Go for 20 and 10. We don't know if it's.
- [66:48]
Brandon Walker
They'll probably be there.
- [66:49]
Ryan Rosillo
Michael Porter Jr. Goes back to 12 points a game. How about that guy? He just can't help himself. He's like, you know, after I wasn't named an all Star, like, I don't really feel like playing a ton. You're like, oh, that's. That was part of the calculus of Denver going, we're good. We need to move on.
- [67:03]
Brandon Walker
The relitigation of him is like, no, I think I know who he is.
- [67:05]
Ryan Rosillo
We're good. No, I mean, his just. He was making literally every shot the first three months of the season.
- [67:11]
Kyle Boone
But at the same. The Cal guard thing, though, like, you just trust John Caliper guards, like, you
- [67:15]
Ryan Rosillo
trust guys that young, guys that can't play defense. It doesn't bother me when I watch him. I think he just starts the defensive position in a horrible stance.
- [67:22]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [67:23]
Ryan Rosillo
So, like, there's things you could say like, hey, can we try this?
- [67:26]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [67:26]
Ryan Rosillo
And like, you still might suck on defense. And then I remember, like, being on draft shows, because I'd be at the draft, I would do it for radio. And then you could see the TV broadcast. And, like, if there was some guard that was questionable defensively, they'd be like, how's he going to stay in front of Russell Westbrook? Like, nobody fucking stays in front of us.
- [67:41]
Kyle Boone
Right?
- [67:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, it doesn't. There's guys that are getting burnt. You're going to have help defense, but you're.
- [67:45]
Mark Titus
You're right.
- [67:46]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, if you already have another small guard, like if it were Philly, say, without VJ or Maxi, but one of those already in place, and then you said, hey, I'm throwing a cuff into this, then you would go, okay. Because I don't like drafting based on need or fit. Just go ahead and take the best player. That's when you. You'll make mistakes, but there are times where you go, yeah, you. You guys actually can't do this. And I think Ser's point about the Nets is right on. That was good. Jump in.
- [68:10]
Kyle Boone
Yeah. So, like, Fleming's. Fleming is the guy that you could put him on any team, and I think he's gonna play.
- [68:14]
Ryan Rosillo
This is back to the basketball player versus, like, some of the other stuff. I want to talk about. Amen. Because he was like, the consensus. I'd like him to go back. Cause I think of teams and other people going, like, I think it could be really, really good.
- [68:30]
Kyle Boone
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [68:31]
Ryan Rosillo
Is. You want to talk about, like, somebody who, when it's right, looks like, okay, kind of back to, like, the Devons, Caleb Wilson stuff that we're talking About, I think his personality is probably a little bit too deferential. And you've got a guard situation there where it's like, hey, I'm going to get my looks here. So if you disappear, like, that's kind of on you. I know the numbers weren't always there for him. And then there was like Rick Barnes kind of saying, like, hey, you got to start playing like that guy. There are glimpses and then there's moments where like 6, 10, with that kind of handle, you go, this, this is the prototype of the guy that you're like, all right, I'll, I'll take that bet. As opposed to some of the other stuff.
- [69:13]
Kyle Boone
Yeah, I, I think the, the mental makeup of like, like you said, he's different, deferential, he's soft. Isn't, isn't a word I would like to use, but I'm too stupid to think of a better word at times. Freshman. Freshman. He was a freshman. He was a, he was very, very frustrated because all he has all the talent in the world. And you're right, I, with this Nil era, he feels like a perfect guy to come back, make $5 million next year at Tennessee, and then maybe be the number one pick in this draft. You know, like, he's that good. I don't think he's, I don't think he's really ready. He, he, he is a little bit more of a project, but yeah, when he was on, he was, he was something. I mean, he could, he could shoot, he can handle. He's 6 10.
- [69:55]
Ryan Rosillo
He looked like a legit perimeter guy at that size. Like, I don't want to call him Durant because that's not what I'm doing. But it, it was the, when it was good, you go, oh, yeah, like, this is what, this is why this guy is on everybody's radar, you know, signing day.
- [70:09]
Kyle Boone
Yeah, no, I, I, I like him, but I, I, he is someone that I was hoping would come back. I was hoping he would come back because I, I would like to see more fire from him. I would like to see more of
- [70:22]
Ryan Rosillo
a. Yeah, they want to start the clock. They want to start the NBA earnings clock. I know that's, that's, it doesn't matter. Like, oh, if you nil and then next year you go this much higher, then this is your locked in rookie salary. It's like, no, no, no. I want, I want to get to those four years to figure out if I'm starting the NBA earning clock. And that's basically what I don't know if that's specific to him, but that's us. We go through. Because we raved about Wagler. We've done that. I like snack. Really?
- [70:48]
Kyle Boone
I do. Why?
- [70:51]
Ryan Rosillo
This might be like a Jeremy Sohan thing all over again. Like, Sohan, you had to go like, I loved him, but I go, this is gonna not be for everybody. And I didn't expect him to play point guard, but that was also tanking. I'm like, just give me sack, late teens, early 20s, and let me just have him out there and wreck things. But if you're gonna ask him to, like, do stuff, do stuff, then we could run into some problems.
- [71:15]
Kyle Boone
He had a stretch where I think he missed 400 threes in a row. And I was throwing shit on my television just saying, why are you doing this?
- [71:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, he took 90 threes this year. 33%. A little higher than you.
- [71:28]
Kyle Boone
Yeah, higher than higher. Higher than yours.
- [71:30]
Ryan Rosillo
But just. You don't even have to give me a snack breakdown. These armrests fucking suck. Give me, give me some guys later that you like.
- [71:39]
Kyle Boone
Okay.
- [71:40]
Ryan Rosillo
I can't believe, like, there's one mock today and it's from a guy I like. So I'm not going to call him out, but he has co OpIQUE Going 24th.
- [71:49]
Kyle Boone
Whoa.
- [71:49]
Ryan Rosillo
I couldn't like, I love co opique.
- [71:52]
Kyle Boone
Yeah. Let me see. What about Isaiah Evans? I don't know where he's mocked. I don't know what.
- [71:59]
Ryan Rosillo
He's a late first guy.
- [72:00]
Kyle Boone
Yeah, yeah, he's, he kind of saved
- [72:03]
Ryan Rosillo
their ass offensively in some of those tournament.
- [72:05]
Kyle Boone
I think the, the two games, his reputation was just a catch and shoot guy. And this year I feel like he was way more than that for them. I think he, like, last year that was basically all he did. He just kind of spot up and hit threes. But he's added so much to his game and I, I, I like him a lot.
- [72:20]
Ryan Rosillo
Would you take mom, Chilovich, or Braden Smith?
- [72:27]
Kyle Boone
That's a tough one.
- [72:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Is I just see Braden smith going like 30 to 40 all the time. And I'm like, I hate, I hate this for the kid because fucking kid did it.
- [72:39]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
But if I were in the war room, I go, what are we doing?
- [72:43]
Kyle Boone
What the are we doing?
- [72:44]
Ryan Rosillo
Can we take like a kid from Senegal who started playing last year? Yeah. Like, let's just do.
- [72:51]
Kyle Boone
If this was, I feel like if this was like 1986, Braden Smith is top 10 pick. Somewhere along the line, GMs got a little smarter and they were like, yeah,
- [73:01]
Ryan Rosillo
like you said but he's still. That's where I see him like going 33. I go, are they going to figure out that right block?
- [73:06]
Kyle Boone
Pump fake.
- [73:07]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, better than college. Did you see?
- [73:12]
Kyle Boone
You know exactly what I'm talking about. Oh yeah, dude. It's pump fake. Every other guy pump fakes like this. Braid Smith just goes like this. And it works.
- [73:18]
Ryan Rosillo
It works. It works all the time.
- [73:20]
Kyle Boone
It worked all the time. What about the. What about the Michigan big guys like Morris Johnson a day Mara? I don't know. I love.
- [73:25]
Ryan Rosillo
I love Mo Johnson, but I'm scared to death of like how good of a basketball player is he? And if you're telling me I can get him like 23. Yeah, I would think about it. I think Mara's passing is terrific. But at least with Mara, look, there's times I watch the NBA and I go, you guys can't get any kind of like, not empty side, but like have two and then three, three shooters on the right side. And you can't let Wemby, when Julius Randall's on him, like catch it on the block. Like you can't do it once. You can't run one fucking traditional post up. And so that was always like, my Edie thing is like, even if you like all of this stuff, how often are you going to run it? And then how much does that hurt your spacing if John Morant is the number one option for you? But you know, look, that whole thing's been overhauled. And I think to Edie's credit, like, he's, he's. His nastiness is going to keep him in the league a long time. Like, Edie's got some shit. He's like, I'm going to. I'm going to go with other guys. I'm not just like this big dude.
- [74:23]
Kyle Boone
So it. What made me like Edie, by the way, is he hates our guts. Barstool. He just hates us because we, we like me and, Me and Big Cat will like talk about him just because we're big ten guys and we didn't. Yeah, but I feel like I found that out that like, like Edie just hates. And I was like, I actually kind of like that. I like that he's aware of, like he's aware of his critics.
- [74:42]
Ryan Rosillo
I didn't. What I didn't like about the Ed thing, which ended up sounding anti ed, is that there was like a lot of advanced people, advanced numbers guys going like, we're overthinking this. And I'm like, I don't think this is what we are. Because, like, yeah. Whatever his advanced numbers are doing offensively for him, it's.
- [74:57]
Kyle Boone
It.
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Ryan Rosillo
You're. I just don't think anybody's going to run some of this stuff anyway. The point about Mara is that, like, the thing that gives him a better chance is they probably ran a lot more of their offense with him higher and his passing. So if you think. I mean, but there's also just like a lot of these bigs where I go, what's the value? Is there enough value with all the other stuff to know that are like, we have somebody that's going to get absolutely hunted.
- [75:21]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [75:21]
Ryan Rosillo
By other teams on defense and bring him up. Bennett Sturts. I like him.
- [75:29]
Kyle Boone
I like him a lot.
- [75:30]
Ryan Rosillo
One word. Fluid.
- [75:33]
Kyle Boone
Fluid. I do like.
- [75:36]
Ryan Rosillo
Am I wrong?
- [75:38]
Kyle Boone
No. I actually do like him. I mean, I don't. Yeah, he's not. He's not. I don't think he's going to wow you, but he's. He's. He's so good. He's.
- [75:48]
Ryan Rosillo
Another word. Fluidity.
- [75:50]
Kyle Boone
Fluidity.
- [75:50]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Yeah. Some could say it's same family. Give me. Give me one guy you hate. You're rooting. No, I'm just might be sitting.
- [75:58]
Kyle Boone
Honestly. Candidate for Kelvin, like I said for GMs, calling Kelvin Sampson be like, hey, man, we love your big man. We love him. Tell us more about why we should draft them. And so Kelvin just go. You. So you love him, right? And they're like, yeah, we love them. We love what we're seeing from you. All right, then I guess I don't need to say, like, I feel like Kelvin Sampson. I feel like Kristen act drove Kelvin Sampson insane the entire season and.
- [76:26]
Mark Titus
Yeah.
- [76:26]
Ryan Rosillo
But the fact that he kept letting him play.
- [76:28]
Kyle Boone
I know.
- [76:29]
Ryan Rosillo
Tells you all the other stuff. Is that good.
- [76:31]
Kyle Boone
So maybe I'm reading too much into that.
- [76:33]
Ryan Rosillo
But maybe I get to snack late. I still have some work to do on snack.
- [76:37]
Kyle Boone
Yeah.
- [76:37]
Ryan Rosillo
But you know, if I'm looking for an energy guy to come in impact the game fly around like a crazy person. Yeah. I realize I have to let you go. You guys have to start your show.
- [76:50]
Kyle Boone
How long are you guys in town? You're here all week.
- [76:51]
Ryan Rosillo
We just did. We came to town just for this, for you. And then we're leaving tonight.
- [76:55]
Brandon Walker
Just want to use your studio and then bounce.
- [76:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [76:57]
Brandon Walker
Thank you. Thanks, Brandon.
- [76:58]
Ryan Rosillo
It was even better than we were hoping. Yeah.
- [77:00]
Brandon Walker
I saw Brandon in the hallway when I. When I bounced. Didn't say hi.
- [77:03]
Ryan Rosillo
I didn't know.
- [77:03]
Brandon Walker
I didn't know. I didn't know what to do? I don't know. He didn't. I don't know if I had him on the corner of the eye. I wasn't sure.
- [77:07]
Kyle Boone
This is a disaster.
- [77:08]
Brandon Walker
It feels like there's beef, but there's not beef.
- [77:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, we are taking up the room and we're getting away in the prep. You guys usually prep in here?
- [77:14]
Kyle Boone
No, no. Have you watched. You. You obviously haven't watched our show. No, we don't. Prep is not something we exactly do. Oh, this was fun.
- [77:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Mostly sports. What do you guys. You guys have a festival this summer, right?
- [77:25]
Kyle Boone
Mostly sports. Festival.
- [77:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that's right. Still.
- [77:30]
Brandon Walker
Still some.
- [77:30]
Ryan Rosillo
Mostly fast logistics would have to be worse. Mostly.
- [77:34]
Kyle Boone
Mostly fest.
- [77:36]
Ryan Rosillo
That actually.
- [77:37]
Kyle Boone
Mostly fest. Yeah.
- [77:38]
Ryan Rosillo
It doesn't sound like a terrible title for something.
- [77:40]
Kyle Boone
Are you doing. Are you doing any other. Are you doing shows while you're here?
- [77:44]
Ryan Rosillo
Wake up. I'm gonna do pmt, but I think I'm gonna do something else. Mincy and I were gonna do something. I think we were gonna get a. We're gonna do something on the lake. Sitting new. A guy with a boat.
- [77:57]
Brandon Walker
Maybe a baseball game.
- [77:58]
Kyle Boone
Yeah, the Yug station with Dana Beers.
- [78:01]
Ryan Rosillo
I think I'm doing Rico's pod. They said it was outside.
- [78:08]
Kyle Boone
He'll do that from time to time.
- [78:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Chef Donnie was asking if I could come in because, you know, we spent some time together, Vegas. And he was like, could you maybe come in next week? We could chef something up. Because I used to be, you know, I wasn't a line cook. I never made it that far, but I was a prep cook at a restaurant.
- [78:23]
Kyle Boone
No, kid.
- [78:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Pretty fancy restaurant. Yeah. So I was like, I have a couple of recipes, but I'm like, when are you going to fucking have time? The middle of the day? So that's probably not going to happen. Oh, we were supposed to have wine, too, because my. The wine is here. And I owe. How do you pronounce Shay's last name?
- [78:41]
Brandon Walker
Somali Che.
- [78:43]
Kyle Boone
Oh, you're gonna do Somali Che.
- [78:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Yeah. But I don't know that I can drink in the middle of the day if I have other stuff going on. It usually can get in the way of stuff.
- [78:50]
Kyle Boone
All right.
- [78:51]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, we're out. Thanks, man. Thanks. There's no better place to watch the NBA playoffs than at kosm. I've been wanting to check it out. It looks like you can go courtside in shared reality as Cosm's massive LED dome surrounds you. Adjacent to the dome is the hall, made for the fans. It's your game day headquarters. With every game all at once on a wall to wall LED display. Great food and drinks delivered to you in your seat. When you can't be there, be at KOSM, get your tickets and get courtside@kosm.com today. Suri's gonna hang out for this one. I guess I just wanted to share a little bit about the lottery drawing experience because I had never done it. We're all aware of what it is, but I was invited by the NBA as a media member to go. So like Windhorst has done it. I guess the joke is like Zach Lowe has more than anyone. And they're actually trying to research, like if it's. I don't know if it's 18 years that he's done it or whatever. So nothing was all that surprising. Like you go in, it's in Chicago, obviously, that's why we're here. But it's not always in Chicago. And you just go into this holding area where you're just milling around, there's food, everybody's talking to you over phone. And then right at 12:45 local time, somebody comes over and it's like, okay, follow the people that are approved. Follow us. You lock up your phone, no laptop, you can't have anything, obviously, because you're going to know the order of lottery like an hour before everybody else knows it. And then you walk into this room that has all of these boards up that show all the different combinations of the four balls that come up. Because basically the process is 14 balls, number one through 14, they draw four, and then each team, based on their lottery odds is assigned, however, whatever percentage of the combination. So if you had 14% chance of number one overall pick, you had 100, 140 combinations of those four balls. So if it came up 1, 2, 3, 4, and that was your combination, that means you get that pick. If it comes up 1, 4, 3, 2, it's the same thing. That's your combo. And you would have 140 different combinations off of the four drawn balls. Whereas OKC at a 1.5% chance of the number one pick. So that means they have 15 different ball combinations. So like kind of put it all in perspective. So you go in, each team has a representative again, maybe 10 plus media members. And then the NBA has officials in there. So maybe there's 30, 40 people total. But then when you actually watch it play out, security brings the woman with the actual ping pong balls, where she's from Ernst and Young. So it's all improved. They cut open the box with scissors they drop in the 14 balls, they turn on the machine. There's one guy behind the balls and then there's another guy whose back is turned to the actual mechanism to draw the balls. Like the lottery. Like, everybody knows what I'm talking about. The first ball is drawn after a 22nd stopwatch time, where then the guy who's facing the corner raises his hand to signal to draw the first ball. And then they draw the next three balls every 10 seconds based on the guy's stopwatch and then hand signal. And so you figure out again, because tv, it goes in the reverse order, but the first one is for the first pick. And then it's Washington right Winger. Just totally. Like, I thought. I thought it was going to be kind of like wild in there. And the reactions, it was. It was very subdued room. Maybe because it was a little chalky.
- [82:23]
Brandon Walker
Well, that's one of the things that didn't really. I mean, I guess it makes sense, but didn't dawn on me is like, there's that gap between, like, who at the. Who's at those, like, desks, like the Mallory eat it.
- [82:32]
Ryan Rosillo
What?
- [82:33]
Brandon Walker
Yeah, box owner, whatever. There's daughters everyone loves. They don't know, but. But like these guys in the room do know. Like, Winger would know. So that's such a weird, like, gap of not knowing. And like these just. These guys being like, hey, I have this huge news that I just, like, I'm the only one that knows this right now. It's kind of wild. So I was always like, yeah, like, the reactions from those people are genuine because they don't know the results, but the people that are very close to them do.
- [82:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, right. I mean, because you're not. We're all sequestered in the room. We can't leave the room. None of us have phones.
- [83:00]
Brandon Walker
Like, there's no way television broadcast happens. And you're just sitting there watching the broadcast. Like, did you.
- [83:05]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, we're watching the broadcast, you know,
- [83:06]
Brandon Walker
and you're like, hey, I can't wait to see the reaction.
- [83:08]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [83:08]
Brandon Walker
People that don't know. Yeah, that's crazy.
- [83:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So then Utah gets the second one, and then it's like, all right, little fired up and Memphis gets the third one. Then it's like everybody's kind of going like, I wonder if the Pacers are going to get jumped here.
- [83:21]
Brandon Walker
Wait, who was the pace. Was Pritchard in there? Who was the representative?
- [83:25]
Ryan Rosillo
It was. If Pritchard wasn't in there. No, I didn't know every team representative because, like, Sometimes, like, I felt I went up to Joe's side because we have a mutual friend, and I was like, hey. And he was like, looking at me like, dude, we just ended up with the sixth another year. Yeah. Like, you know, he was super nice to me, but you could just see, like, what is riding on the outcome of these things. And for the Pacers, it just worked out. The worst possible luck that it could have worked out. And then Chicago jumps up, which is interesting because it's an entirely new front office. And then you start going, like, all right. And then the rest of it is just set in. So there you go. And then you wait around. You wait around for, like, I don't know, 45 minutes an hour. And then I walked. When they finally let us out, it's after the TV show has happened. And then you walk kind of downstairs where the TV show where all the people on tv, like, again, those people don't know. We actually watched the woman pack up the envelopes. Like the actual reveal envelopes for tv. They're inside of the sequestered room. But, I mean, unless it's some, like, David Copperfield type shit that I'm not thinking about when you see it, like, I'm not a conspiracy guy. I don't want to be naive and think that nothing is sort of weird, but when you watch it play out, and I know we'll get some stupid emails about it, but you can go,
- [84:46]
Brandon Walker
how deep does it go? You know, I could. The ping pong ball lady with the bag, like, she manipulates who has however, you know what I mean? Like, how big do we want to make it in the. In the room, it could be fine, but you don't know. The ping pong balls could be all screwed up. There's your conspiracy theory,
- [85:02]
Ryan Rosillo
but I don't like that the balls would react a certain way based on the combination. She would figure it out. So she just really wanted the Wizards to get it this year. Yeah, yeah. I don't believe in any of that kind of stuff.
- [85:16]
Brandon Walker
I don't either, for the record.
- [85:17]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah.
- [85:18]
Brandon Walker
Because too many things that have happened that was like, that doesn't make any sense. Why would the league want that to happen?
- [85:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Right. There were like three or four different ones that were picking up steam this week of like, ooh, this happened. So now this is going to happen. And then none of those things that were theorized were happening. That's the best part about being, like a short term conspiracy person. Long term, I feel like you have to put more hours in, but Short term, you just fire them out. Yeah.
- [85:43]
Brandon Walker
Well, I will say. I mean, you could argue that this is the. You know, you have the Wizards, who gave up the 83 point, most embarrassing game of the season. Right. And then the Jazz, who have had several of the most embarrassing games of the season. I was one of them. The Magic were dead to rights, and the Jazz just straight up sat their guys in the fourth quarter and gave up a game that they had no business losing. Those are the two teams that pick one and two. Like, the league would be like, those are the two most egregious tankers.
- [86:06]
Mark Titus
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
I guess maybe the conspiracy is like, hey, on the way out, on the last one, we'll hook the teams up.
- [86:11]
Brandon Walker
Yeah. I will say the Wizards deserve, like, the Wizards, you know, they're a division rival. Like, but, you know, they've. They've had, like, no good things in their franchise's history. Like, they deserve something.
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Ryan Rosillo
Jeff Malone, you know, with all due
- [86:23]
Brandon Walker
respect to John Wall.
- [86:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I mean, the Wizards haven't had good lottery luck. I mean, you can say, hey, they had Sar, but they had. They had the second pick. And what's going down is, like.
- [86:36]
Mark Titus
Right.
- [86:37]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Utah hasn't felt like they've picked as high as they had hoped. You know, whether it's the Cooper stuff last year, Washington. And again, you can bring it up, but Washington overhauled the whole thing. I'm just excited to talk to Winger. I can't wait. So that was actually pretty cool because there's some people in the room that I had never met before. So that part was good. And then I was able to kind of go, like, well, now you have to come on the show because you got the number one pick.
- [87:02]
Brandon Walker
So it was a there with security and guys obviously making sure nobody's leaking anything or moving. You just had to stay in this room. We have to go to the bathroom. Somebody walked you to the bathroom.
- [87:12]
Ryan Rosillo
You just can't go to the bathroom? Well, I don't know. I didn't need to. I imagine if you're like, I have to. Then there's this one security guy that was there kind of walking everybody around because, like, on the way out, he said something to me, and I was just like, I'm just trying to leave. Like, what's going on? A lot of those guys are pretty. Pretty intense. I don't know. I don't know what the bathroom rule is there. But I didn't. I didn't have to break it. But it's not. It's not, like, tense, like, I can't believe I'm not, you know, like, ooh. Like, I don't want to do the wrong thing. Like, you're just walking around. There's not much to do. There's really not much to do. And then. And honestly, once they start the TV show, you're thrilled because there's, like, something to do. Yep. You know, like, I wasn't going to go up to Sam Presti and go, would you have taken Kambuser one? Just because I think now that we
- [88:00]
Brandon Walker
know that you don't.
- [88:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Now that you don't have to. Then he would turn to you and be like, how do you know I'm not going to trade up for Kambuser? And you'd be like, oh, shit. Presti did it again.
- [88:07]
Brandon Walker
Like the most. What's the word I'm looking for? Like, the biggest guy in the room kind of thing. Like, do you have the biggest presence?
- [88:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Ooh, the most aura. He's probably like the headliner name that was in there. Yeah, but he just hangs in the shadows, man. Yeah, yeah.
- [88:27]
Brandon Walker
Did he talk to anybody?
- [88:31]
Ryan Rosillo
We had a quick exchange.
- [88:32]
Brandon Walker
Okay. But about non basketball stuff.
- [88:37]
Ryan Rosillo
No, we didn't dive in. Hey, how's it going, man? Good to see you. You know, one of those. He's just not. He's not here for the bullshit, man. He's all business.
- [88:44]
Brandon Walker
I respect it.
- [88:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah. All business, Presti.
- [88:47]
Brandon Walker
All right, well, I'm glad he had a good time.
- [88:49]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm glad I did it. I don't need to do it again.
- [88:51]
Brandon Walker
You're not gonna be Zach.
- [88:52]
Ryan Rosillo
No, I want it and done. I will not have that won't be my thing. Before we get to life advice, the alliance marches on. What. What are the results from last week?
- [89:05]
Brandon Walker
I think we went one and two. Kyle did hit you, and I lost.
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Ryan Rosillo
Damn.
- [89:09]
Mark Titus
So we're running out of sports games, boys. I mean, it's just going to be official that this was my year soon. You guys don't pick it up.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right. Minus 180. Kyle, the board's yours.
- [89:23]
Brandon Walker
Yes.
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Mark Titus
I mean, all right, if you're gonna
- [89:27]
Brandon Walker
talk, tell us what you're telling.
- [89:28]
Mark Titus
Yeah, I think if you let us
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Ryan Rosillo
know what your minus 190 is and we'll fix straight stuff.
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Mark Titus
Minus 168 today, actually.
- [89:34]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, and thanks for leaving some for us.
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Mark Titus
I'm taking Edwards 25 or more points. 25 or more points. And, you know, the rest is up to you guys.
- [89:49]
Kyle Boone
Oh, man.
- [89:50]
Ryan Rosillo
Tensions are high.
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Brandon Walker
Okay.
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Ryan Rosillo
Little meat on the bone.
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Mark Titus
Minus 168. That's not bad. You throw three of those together, we'll be in the right zone.
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Ryan Rosillo
You know, to win more than three of us together, we're carrying more than
- [90:02]
Brandon Walker
two thirds of the weight.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [90:04]
Brandon Walker
Okay.
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Ryan Rosillo
Jesus.
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Brandon Walker
I'm gonna take Wemby four or more blocks.
- [90:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Whoa.
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Mark Titus
Yeah.
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Brandon Walker
I think this is a like the spurs like they can't fuck around like if they like this is a big huge game. Obviously that's a three. Now he missed the last game with obviously getting kicked out. Like this is. This has to be a huge Wemby spot. I don't always trust the points with him, but I do trust the defense. So Give me wemby Four or more blocks, minus 141.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay. Yeah.
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Brandon Walker
It's not my huge difference. Well, it kind of is.
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Ryan Rosillo
It is actually. I'm going to go spurs minus ten and a half. For all the reasons Suri just pointed out, they almost get game four. Game one. I feel like, like when it's been right, you know, when the game. When the series have looked the way that I think it's supposed to. I think the spurs are just clearly better than this team and even ants heroics in game four. Well, we'll see. But I would much rather. I know it's a huge number. I would much tip off. I'd feel way more comfortable laying that ten and a half than taking it. Me too.
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Mark Titus
And I'm hoping DraftKings will cash me out of my spurs finals winners bets after the series.
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Brandon Walker
So Becca's the plus 480 boys. So, you know, not bad.
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Mark Titus
So you guys both owe me an apology.
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Ryan Rosillo
Thanks.
- [91:18]
Brandon Walker
What would it be if you took an even bet?
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Ryan Rosillo
An even money bet?
- [91:20]
Mark Titus
Don't worry about it. We'll send the segment.
- [91:21]
Brandon Walker
All right, fine.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right, the segment's over.
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Brandon Walker
Not on your own.
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Mark Titus
Shout out to DraftKings.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, there you go. Sportsbook.draftkings.com you want details? Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up? I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork. I have every toy you can possibly imagine, and best of all, kids, I am liquid.
- [91:46]
Kyle Boone
So now you know what's possible.
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Ryan Rosillo
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- [92:25]
Brandon Walker
We'll start there. Just.
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Ryan Rosillo
I just saw a picture of me. You forget here at Barstool, just everybody films every fucking thing you do. Yeah.
- [92:32]
Brandon Walker
We walked out of the most of sports studio table with Titus and just instantly a phone in your face. And I was like, do I talk? What's happening?
- [92:38]
Mark Titus
I knew I was in the way, so I was like, let me just get my big ass out of here because I know I'm in somebody's shot, so. But again, I don't know where to go.
- [92:46]
Brandon Walker
Wait, are you talking to Brandon? Who are you talking to? I don't remember.
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Ryan Rosillo
I think at first it was Conor and they were like, hey, can we get you on mostly sports? And I'm trying to say yes to everything I can this week while I'm here, but I also have to go to the combine too, so we'll figure it out. And. But then I looked at the. I was like, there was a video posted five minutes after it happened. And I went, what the is this? And then we're still all snubs. Barstool.
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Kyle Boone
Yeah. Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right, right. And then I was like, oh, the cashmere side angle again. Yeah. I was like, these are. These are not. This is a completely different. Same brand, same style, same back to it. Huh? But it's. It's the different shirt. And then those side angles are tough.
- [93:26]
Mark Titus
And the manufacturer a letter maybe they probably would appreciate that.
- [93:29]
Brandon Walker
Probably just a different shirt. Like maybe, you know, a different brand.
- [93:34]
Ryan Rosillo
Super comfy, nice warm stance.
- [93:36]
Brandon Walker
Thing with you, though. It's not.
- [93:38]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm not.
- [93:38]
Mark Titus
You're dying on that hill.
- [93:40]
Brandon Walker
I'm not trying to suck up, but like, it really is like the way you stand. Like, you just puff your. Your. Like your whole front just puffs out, you know?
- [93:47]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [93:47]
Brandon Walker
So anyway.
- [93:48]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay. I thought we had a follow up. Oh, yeah, we do. Genghis Khan.
- [93:54]
Brandon Walker
Oh, boy.
- [93:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. No, it's good, though. It's good. I mean, you know, like, if you're. We don't. We get plenty wrong. But if you get. Hey, just trying to help out as opposed to I hope your family dies. You know, there's two. There's two ways of going about this. 5, 11, 210 bench, PR 385. Well, I'm gonna.
- [94:16]
Mark Titus
He's 5, 10.
- [94:17]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm gonna listen to whatever this guy has to say. Deadlift. 515. Squat. Not worth mentioning. Player comp. I drive left and shoot threes. Okay, listeners, since we're still in canal days, watching on daytime espn, I remember thinking it was odd for this man bun having producer to have a knighthood. It was only after a few years later that I found out the correct pronunciation, man bun having. So I thought I'd help you out there. Was it ever technically a man bun?
- [94:44]
Brandon Walker
Oh, yeah, yeah, no, it was every day.
- [94:46]
Mark Titus
He's not shy about that.
- [94:47]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Would you say they're definitely never doing that again?
- [94:50]
Brandon Walker
I do miss some aspects of the long hair. I'm growing it out a little bit again. I did just get it cut, trimmed a little bit, so I'm not quite going the bun situation. But yeah, I. My wife liked it, so that was cool.
- [94:59]
Ryan Rosillo
Do you know what wolfing is?
- [95:01]
Mark Titus
Is that when you let the back of your neck hair get gross? That's what I call it.
- [95:05]
Brandon Walker
That was a rat tail.
- [95:07]
Mark Titus
No, no. Like, not like you don't, like, twist it into a little gross thing.
- [95:10]
Ryan Rosillo
I just mean you just let it go.
- [95:11]
Mark Titus
Okay, that's what I thought it was.
- [95:12]
Ryan Rosillo
A. Rat tails ever coming back?
- [95:14]
Mark Titus
Yeah, they are in certain. Certain parts of the country. I'd even say maybe in certain parts of Poughkeepsie.
- [95:19]
Brandon Walker
Yeah, I think it's like a hipster. Like not a hipster thing, but, you know, like, there's dudes in Brooklyn just have rat tails, I feel like.
- [95:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Do they?
- [95:25]
Brandon Walker
Yeah, because now, like, the.
- [95:26]
Mark Titus
The.
- [95:27]
Brandon Walker
What is it? The baby mullet is kind of a thing too. It's back, but you're kind of wondering
- [95:31]
Mark Titus
if that was just leaking under the surface the whole time.
- [95:33]
Brandon Walker
But you can kind of only pull that off if you're like a real hot dude, though, you know, I saw
- [95:36]
Ryan Rosillo
New Zealand, like the lower ahead of us.
- [95:39]
Mark Titus
That's exotic.
- [95:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like New Zealand's behind us. Music, like Lady Gaga is just killing it right now there. But that side shave thing, when I was kicking it in New Zealand, I. It's on the travel pod. I was like this. This bushwhacker thing, and now it's. Pft.
- [95:56]
Brandon Walker
Has it that a mustache look out.
- [95:58]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, the mustache thing's, I think, a little out of hand right now. There's some guys just rocking mustaches all over the place.
- [96:06]
Brandon Walker
Could I ask you this question?
- [96:07]
Ryan Rosillo
We were so.
- [96:08]
Brandon Walker
My dad just. We just had his 70th birthday party and he had a mustache for like, most of his life. Knife. Shaved it probably when he had, like, a mole, so that's why he always had it. But, like, dudes in, like, the 80s, classic reason. Whatever. But that was because, like, they thought it was hot, Right. Whereas now it's, like, ironic. Like, most guys don't have it because, like, man, this mustache is gonna be really hot. But back then, it was like, that's a hot dude with a mustache.
- [96:31]
Mark Titus
There's, like, five guys with, like, prominent mustaches here.
- [96:34]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know. Maybe it's just a look. The cat's had a mustache for a little while. Yeah.
- [96:38]
Brandon Walker
He can pull it off, though.
- [96:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, you kind of. You know when you can pull it off is when you don't notice it.
- [96:43]
Mark Titus
Yeah.
- [96:43]
Brandon Walker
When you're like, hey, that guy's not trying to pull off, though.
- [96:45]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't think they're ironic anymore. I think dudes are, and it's been
- [96:48]
Brandon Walker
going on for a while.
- [96:49]
Ryan Rosillo
Speaking of Brooklyn. All right, so while I'm not a PhD in history focusing on the Mongolian empire and its respective successor states, I am a dedicated hobbyist of medieval Mongol history.
- [97:00]
Brandon Walker
Hell, yeah.
- [97:00]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm constantly on the lookout for new scholarly publications on this subject, and I try and stay up to date on all the latest research. By the way, this is a hole in my game. If you can recommend this email or. When he hears us reading this, can you follow up with this email and tell me your best Mongolian stuff? Like, the best book? I want the one definitive book that you feel like is the best. And it has to do with Genghis Khan. I like him in it. So Rudy's buddy was right. Or in his least, more right. The name Chinggis Khan is actually a title that he gave to himself. His birth name was Temojin.
- [97:38]
Mark Titus
Yep.
- [97:38]
Ryan Rosillo
I knew that the name Genghis Khan came about as a result of Arabic and Persian translators trying to put Mongolic words into their script, resulting in common spelling of Genghis Khan. This made its way to the European languages, eventually including English as Genghis. Ultimately, the titles would have sounded more like Chinggis Han, as the word Khan would have sounded more like the modern word Han in medieval Mongolian. There you have it.
- [98:09]
Brandon Walker
So Genghis was his given name, and it, lost in translation, kind of got to Genghis.
- [98:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay.
- [98:15]
Mark Titus
Yeah, it's one of those things that people love to set straight.
- [98:19]
Ryan Rosillo
To set straight.
- [98:20]
Brandon Walker
And you know that you don't miss an opportunity.
- [98:22]
Mark Titus
Yeah, I think that's one of those. I don't know what another example would
- [98:24]
Ryan Rosillo
be, but that's one of those.
- [98:27]
Brandon Walker
Yeah, because it's like Barcelona.
- [98:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. But the thing with Ibiza is that you can call it both work. But I was there. I'm like, what's the story with this? They're like, yeah, they actually kind of both work. So, like, if you're doing Ibiza and correcting people if they say Ibiza, you're actually like worse than the Genghis Khan corrector.
- [98:45]
Brandon Walker
If you have. If you do that accent, like the real go into Spanish thing, I kind of. That's a little weird. Like. Yeah, you only go like 90 there. Don't go full the way there. You're not.
- [98:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, like when a sports center anchor would have like a Brazilian soccer player and then they would do that and then they. They're also from like Milwaukee.
- [99:02]
Brandon Walker
Most of them would just pronounce the
- [99:04]
Mark Titus
one word just changes and they go right back to their sentence. It's funny.
- [99:07]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [99:08]
Brandon Walker
Like, we don't, you know, the tilde, you know. Okay, we get it. You know.
- [99:10]
Mark Titus
My stepmom was a Spanish teacher, so you can guess. I took Italian. Like, I don't. I don't want anymore.
- [99:16]
Ryan Rosillo
Wait, you didn't take Spanish?
- [99:18]
Mark Titus
No, no, I took Italian. She was a retired or like out of. Not out of work. She was like a stay at home mom or whatever. But she had like logged some years as a Spanish teacher. When it became time to pick a language, I was like, she's not going through my backpack any more than she has to. So I just went and took a different, different route. Spanish would have been so helpful because then I had to take it in college because they didn't offer Italian.
- [99:37]
Brandon Walker
Yeah, we talked. Yeah, it's tough. I had a buddy, took a Latin in high school. Dead language. Just wanted to be different.
- [99:43]
Ryan Rosillo
That's kind of fun, though. They got rid of it at Rushmore, but they were able because it's the
- [99:47]
Mark Titus
building blocks of all the. Whatever.
- [99:48]
Brandon Walker
But I don't think it actually teaches you any other language. No, I could be wrong. Somebody's an email, and I'm sure I'm wrong. But it. I've seen some Latin things. Like, I don't know that you learn Latin. Oh, yeah. I could figure out all the other Romance languages. Just to end that point, though, it is always funny. Like the whitest girl, you know, like rolling her R's in Spanish. You're like, all right, yeah, we get it.
- [100:06]
Mark Titus
Some people would say that's respectful. I don't know.
- [100:08]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, I don't think it is. I don't Think that's why they're doing it.
- [100:11]
Brandon Walker
I don't like it. I'm just gonna be on record. I don't.
- [100:13]
Ryan Rosillo
I remember the Olympics. It was like Dara Torres. And she came back and she was older, she was swimming. And then I was with this co host where he just couldn't stop. He was like, dara Torres. And he was from. He talked like I do.
- [100:25]
Brandon Walker
Yeah.
- [100:25]
Ryan Rosillo
And I even was like, what do you.
- [100:26]
Brandon Walker
Dorchester.
- [100:27]
Mark Titus
Yeah. Brought to you by Modelo.
- [100:30]
Brandon Walker
Modelo, yeah.
- [100:31]
Ryan Rosillo
That actually works. But I don't think we have reads for them anymore. Just a quick follow up to close that one. I think Genghis Khan sounds cooler than Genghis Khan.
- [100:39]
Brandon Walker
Yeah.
- [100:39]
Mark Titus
A thousand percent.
- [100:39]
Brandon Walker
Yeah. Maybe it's my western brain's badass names. Yep.
- [100:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Okay. Let's see here.
- [100:51]
Brandon Walker
Do a history like Battle Draft or Genghis Khan.
- [100:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Go.
- [100:55]
Mark Titus
That sounds like some summer that I'd be into.
- [100:58]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it sounds a little bit like who would your. Whose dad would beat up who's in the box?
- [101:04]
Mark Titus
Yeah.
- [101:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [101:07]
Mark Titus
If you pick him, it's pretty tough to like. The second pick is definitely.
- [101:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Taft was a trust buster. All right, do the bride and groom want me to bang the maid of honor? Please advise. Wow. All right. Six.
- [101:22]
Mark Titus
Funny enough, I think sometimes it's yes, but I'll.
- [101:24]
Ryan Rosillo
I'll. You want. Yeah. You already know. No, we didn't even get to those. But I'm saying you. If.
- [101:31]
Kyle Boone
If he.
- [101:31]
Mark Titus
If it turns out. Then I'll let you go. If it turns out that he is the best man. That might be a thing they're into.
- [101:37]
Ryan Rosillo
All right. Six. One one nine or one nine One Niner works too, probably for takeoff. Player comp. Luke. Mba. Mute. Well, never call myself a shooter, but do all the dirty work. Tough finishes. Board stocks dominant on the flag football field. Sorry to advance. Long email. Buckle up. My best friend of 15 years is getting married the next six months. Let's call him John. We've been friends for so long, have been through college, living together, et cetera. I wasn't surprised to know I got the best man nod. We're 25, so first time for me. Flattered and happy about it all. John's fiance picked her childhood best friend as her maid of honor, who she still keeps in constant contact with, but lives out of state. Let's call her Hannah. So I know Hannah and have been in group settings with her say five, ten times over the years. However, for three years, basically the whole time, I was in my own serious relationship. Then ended around Nine months ago. Now the wedding's in about six months. They sit me down and tell me the following. They've got the venue and for us, the wedding party gets to stay at the rooms in said venue. Great. Right? Here's the thing. The venue is very extravagant, but very old. There are a select few rooms in this venue, so everyone will have to share a room. Their plan is for me and John to share a room until the night of the wedding and his fiance and Hannah do the same. Then after the wedding night, they want to switch. That would make way more sense and have me and Hannah stay together so the bride and groom can as well. There are no extra rooms and the wedding party is already not very big. The old switcheroo. Hey, you don't really know each other.
- [103:10]
Mark Titus
My theory is out. Because this is just bad planning. My theory is out.
- [103:15]
Ryan Rosillo
At the risk of sounding like a D, they've told me that Hannah has a thing for me several times before.
- [103:21]
Mark Titus
Never mind, I'm back in. My theory's totally correct.
- [103:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Even way before my last relationship started, they joked her and I should date. But to be frank, which I've told him, I'm not in a rush to date right this second. And as someone who spent a large part of my last relationship doing long distance, I have even less interest in that as a real possibility. John also knows I've had a few situationships in the past nine months. John says this is a layup somehow to him. There's no downside here. They even told me she's aware and is quote good with it. She's awesome. Nothing against her, pretty smart. We get along great. You know how many guys would kill you dude to change spots with you? They're listening. What? But they know this is how I feel and they still do this? Do I use this as an excuse to get after after a night of partying and be completely non committal about it? Is that even possible in this situation? This guy's 25. He's going to ask us 700 questions in a row. Obviously, if I met this girl out socially or even online, I had the possibility of a one night stand. I wouldn't be as hesitant. But I wouldn't be worried about John and his fiance knowing how things went thereafter. Or about her much at all for that matter. In a weird way, again, I'm flattered. Especially considering I did sleep with one of the bride's other friends during college a few times, then moved on relatively quickly. Maybe they do want us to date, despite my warning signals. Maybe John is just an idiot. Maybe I'm overthinking this. Yes, you are. Maybe I just need to wait till the day of, until everyone had some drinks, see what the vibes are and address her directly. And honestly, if it seems like a possibility, I don't know what to do. Any insight would be appreciated. Obviously. No need to address all the questions, but I have almost no opinions from others.
- [105:03]
Mark Titus
That was a long email. Usually we say it's not, but that was.
- [105:07]
Brandon Walker
But I guess so.
- [105:09]
Ryan Rosillo
This doesn't need to get much time.
- [105:11]
Brandon Walker
They are going to share a room.
- [105:13]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. On the wedding day, one night. Insane.
- [105:17]
Mark Titus
Yeah.
- [105:17]
Ryan Rosillo
But they've known each other for a while. They're trying to set them up with each other. I mean, you also have to. Like, normally most guys would be emailing in, being like, hey, I'm not afraid to get after it. Like, I've got to keep it between the rails. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, day to then close this. Never flirt with anyone else. Yeah. And I haven't seen, like, six of these guys in forever. Like, you have to be on constant, like, good impression alert for 46. Why did I say 46 hours? 48. Because I was thinking, like, I throw 60 hours in there, and instead it's described as the layup and he's bummed out. I don't know.
- [105:57]
Mark Titus
I think it's silly because I think
- [105:59]
Ryan Rosillo
it was too late for me because
- [106:01]
Mark Titus
I really didn't get a real invite to a wedding until I was kind of solid in my relationship and where we were going. But it's so funny how different the missions certain people have at weddings. Like a guy who's there with his girlfriend or wife, it's like they're there for one type of wedding. Open bar.
- [106:16]
Ryan Rosillo
That's sick.
- [106:17]
Mark Titus
Oh, yeah, they're playing T Pain.
- [106:18]
Brandon Walker
Let's go. Right? Yeah.
- [106:19]
Mark Titus
And there's another guy who didn't bring his plus one and is just fucking scoping tables. And it seems like he may have done that if it wasn't already, like, in his lap. You know what I mean? It seems like he might have, like, actually taken the time to look around the wedding and see what's up. But now that it's like here, it's like. It's almost like. I don't know if too easy's the word, but it's, like, unattractive to him.
- [106:40]
Brandon Walker
I don't think that's his thing.
- [106:40]
Mark Titus
I don't want to be a part of a club that would want me.
- [106:42]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know.
- [106:44]
Brandon Walker
I think in his head, he's like, do I feel like I'm gaming the system here. I don't like the layup. And yeah, your friends are now going to hear about this whole thing. Right. And do you want all that, you want all that put on blast from you?
- [107:00]
Mark Titus
But they understand that this is like, this is a, an arrangement that was because of whatever the rooms and the, and the amount of heads they have and that she kind of likes them. But nobody's like, oh, it'd be great if you guys could just fucking be boyfriend and girlfriend after this. Like, I don't think they're playing Matt. I love how they, the wife is.
- [107:17]
Brandon Walker
They've like laid the groundwork for. Yeah, he's not really that into like dating. No, but she's cool with it.
- [107:23]
Ryan Rosillo
She's cool. Yeah, she. Every single time. Why you're overthinking this. There was another part of the email. He's like, well, you know, if it was someone that I'd met socially that had no connection to this, then I wouldn't have to worry about what the bride and groom would think about the follow ups. Oh cares.
- [107:42]
Brandon Walker
I kind of get that. Yeah.
- [107:43]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know. You can't look. Sure. In some scenarios you're totally right. This one apparently is not at all. Unless they were, you know, it'd be nothing funnier is that they're just overselling this just so they can make the room thing work.
- [107:59]
Brandon Walker
Yeah, yeah.
- [108:00]
Kyle Boone
Well.
- [108:00]
Ryan Rosillo
But yeah, yeah, that would be tough because then you're like, hey, like, hey, just tell him. Tell it. Like, play along. Vibes are good. Couple drinks, wait. She built like a pillow for an arm touch and then you show up and there's an army cot in there.
- [108:13]
Mark Titus
Yeah, yeah. We found a trundle.
- [108:16]
Brandon Walker
Listen, promises have been made.
- [108:19]
Ryan Rosillo
I actually think the email is going to screw it up. Like you're going in hot with all sorts of inner thoughts. Nuts.
- [108:24]
Brandon Walker
But yeah. But then think about like the whole time people would be like, hey dude. Like as you know, she walks by
- [108:28]
Ryan Rosillo
like, yeah, only five more hours nudging
- [108:31]
Brandon Walker
you the whole time. Because I imagine just like other people are probably aware of this other than the bride and groom. The bride and groom more excited about this than they do their wedding. Which is kind of funny.
- [108:40]
Mark Titus
I can't think of how awesome that would have been for me at 25 though, this guy.
- [108:44]
Ryan Rosillo
Let's move on. Yeah,
- [108:49]
Brandon Walker
I understand it's a little weird. I, I probably would still go through it. Yeah. If you thought. If you think she's cute and there's no, you know, no harm to follow.
- [108:54]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, go.
- [108:55]
Brandon Walker
Go for it.
- [108:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay. Yeah.
- [108:56]
Mark Titus
Hit the open bar a couple times and then you'll. You'll realize you're so excited that you have.
- [109:00]
Brandon Walker
It was gonna be a real big bummer though. Like, she's like. She ends up going home with somebody else that night. Then you're gonna feel like a huge loser. So you maybe have to take that into account as well. Like, do you. It sounds like the wind musicals.
- [109:11]
Mark Titus
Yeah, well, it sounds like the pickings are slim. Otherwise they would have just had two girls pair up with each other. It's probably.
- [109:15]
Brandon Walker
Yeah, for the record. Insane. I just want to put that. That's insane.
- [109:17]
Mark Titus
Yeah. It must be like a couple thing where it's just like. Sorry, you're the two.
- [109:21]
Ryan Rosillo
The two odd.
- [109:22]
Mark Titus
Odd ones out.
- [109:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Anyway, I don't know. Okay. This email is titled My Friends are all losers, question mark.
- [109:31]
Mark Titus
Is that for me?
- [109:32]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm just kidding.
- [109:33]
Brandon Walker
Damn.
- [109:34]
Mark Titus
I know one of them listens.
- [109:35]
Ryan Rosillo
So next live show is going to be. Look out.
- [109:39]
Mark Titus
All right, I need extra security.
- [109:41]
Ryan Rosillo
32, 6 foot. 230 deadlift. 275 bench. 225 squat. 2 hundred and seventy five. That's going to be reps, right? Your bench can't be 225 at 2:30. At 6 foot. Right. 32, 6 2. Isn't he? If it is, you're pissed right now. All right. Player comp. Zach Randolph. But playing even further below the rim. Sorry for the long email. Needs to be said invented. I have a problem. It seems like all of my friends are losers. I won't bore you with with all the nitty details of it all, but it feels like all the dudes around my age that I've been friends with forever are broke, do nothing losers. Most of them seem afraid of the world, wrapped in conspiracy theories and perpetually online gamers. We have a group of about six to 10 guys that are fairly close, some closer than others as a circle that Y tends to be. But for the most part, none of them are doing anything worthwhile. I don't want to sound conceited, but I have a pretty damn good life and they just flat out do not. Your life sucks, guys. Most are complaining about crossroads in life or seem like they get the short end of the stick. And I watch them fuck off their entire twenties and not put in the work. Well, now it seems like it's starting to show. Never leaving comfort zones, never challenging themselves to be better. And as a result, they're losers. I love Them all truly as brothers. But good Lord, is it getting harder and harder to relate to their pity parties? Most of them skip college and their idea of a good time is one or two nights out on a weekend. Mine is a month traveling abroad with my wife, visiting a new city or just relaxing, enjoying my free time. My dilemma is this. All caps. I don't know how to relate anymore. In group chats, I just want to call them on all their bullshit and lazy habits, but I always come off as the dickhead. Over and over, I'm stuck listening to their problems. It seemed to have the simplest answers. I don't know, leave that job, try something new. Quit doing the same shit that lands you in the same roles. Read a fucking book or something. For the love of God, get me out of this group chat. I'm not saying I don't want to be friends with them anymore, but I'm saying, damn hard to even pretend to be interested in their latest losing parlay or the relationship issues. Am I the only person dealing with this? Should I just cut them out and move on? Cut them off and move on. I feel like it's a major waste of energy and I don't come off and I don't want. And I know I come off as a pretentious dickhead who went and got an education, separated, but it's kind of true. How can I handle this better moving forward? I don't want to be the asshole, but it's just kind of my role at this point. Thanks, guys. Love the show.
- [112:05]
Mark Titus
Yeah, like five, five, six years ago, I was looking around like, well, I'm stuck with these guys. It would be cool if you guys did something. And now they have.
- [112:13]
Ryan Rosillo
But was it you? Did you inspire them?
- [112:16]
Mark Titus
I don't think so. I like, what, get super lucky and have somebody awesome, talented marry your aunt, then pluck you out of Poughkeepsie? No, I don't think that's.
- [112:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Here's what you could do, gu. Who, like, can. Are you connected to any of the people? Like, the five bests in the country at anything.
- [112:33]
Mark Titus
Yeah, let's expand. What that could be
- [112:38]
Ryan Rosillo
is Jason Tatum top five. All right. Yes. What's your in, Dave?
- [112:43]
Mark Titus
Yeah, but, yeah, I just waited it out. How old is this guy?
- [112:47]
Ryan Rosillo
32. Ooh.
- [112:48]
Mark Titus
Yeah, you've waited. You've waited long enough. I'd say most of those guys who were like, well, wouldn't even say what to my parents, what they were doing. Like, I just make up other things like what they're doing for jobs and Stuff like that's all in the past now. But yeah, if I was, if I was 32 and still waiting, I probably, who am I kidding? I'd be stuck with them. But it's, I'm just happy that they, they figured it out.
- [113:13]
Brandon Walker
32 is like, my friends and I talk about this all the time. Like, I'm just too lazy to make new friends. Like, I, at this point in my life, like, I've had, I've had a good core for most of my life. Date back most of the high school and actually they are, you know, we're doing okay, I guess as a group. I feel like we're not in this guy's situation. But it's like, man, making new friends is also, like, really hard. Maybe you're an outgoing guy. Maybe you are, like, you like to travel and maybe you're just like, hey, I'm just going to meet people and I'm going to find all these new guys. They're going to be awesome. But I think, like, you have to just like, do you, you still need male companionship. You still need these friends. And we've had a thousand emails about hardest for guys to make friends out there. Like, accept your friends for maybe their flaws. Like, sure. Like, they just, they're venting, they're bitching. You're the successful one too. You should be happy. Like, you're the one that actually like, has this shit together. So I, I don't know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't drop a bomb in the group chat. I would keep them around because, like, yeah, just because, like, again, like, you're like a couple years from now and you're like, yeah, I was right. I told them how I felt. And then you're like, yeah, but that, does that make your life any better? Like now you met, now you maybe don't have any friends and you're now
- [114:16]
Mark Titus
your pictures on a dart.
- [114:16]
Brandon Walker
Yeah, they're all you in the group chat, but they at least have friends.
- [114:20]
Mark Titus
I just, I found that I think his list was a little long too. It's like they don't even like going on the same, like, their idea of a fun time and mine is traveling with my wife for a month.
- [114:29]
Brandon Walker
He sounds a little bit like the guy who studied abroad and now, like, has figured the world out a little bit.
- [114:34]
Mark Titus
Sure.
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Brandon Walker
Like, all right, man.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like, you don't get it, dude.
- [114:36]
Brandon Walker
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Have you seen the Amalfi Coast? I just think he's adding too many things.
- [114:41]
Mark Titus
Things together here. Like, some of these things aren't Actually even really a bummer, like you guys view what.
- [114:45]
Brandon Walker
All right, there's man, like, is that
- [114:47]
Ryan Rosillo
really bothering your day? Like, I think the solution here is you don't have to respond to any of it, man. You can just be in the group chat, you can see them be losers. So like, I know like, maybe your thing is coming from a good place, but nobody wants to hear it. These guys are 32, right. They're still years away. If they're this far behind, they're years away from admitting they may never. They did fuck it up.
- [115:10]
Brandon Walker
Okay.
- [115:10]
Ryan Rosillo
And look, this may be just their version of like I remember when I was younger, mid twenties at least I'd kind of started the career like I was going, hey, I can't do a normal job. I have to do something that feels like all these hours are being invested into a career. Where. Is there some kind of ceiling of whatever I was going to decide to do? Is there a version of like a ceiling where it's like maybe it could really, really work out if things fell into place? And as I was trying to figure that stuff out, like one guy that owned a couple businesses, he was like, it kind of took me till I was like 35 and he's like, and I'm talking like 35 to go massive wake up call of. You've got to like, I was working, I was making money, but my whole way of thinking changed. These guys don't even look like it's going to happen in three years. If you're talking about conspiracy theories, not working, losing jobs all the time, gaming nonstop in the Southern 30s. So I, yeah, I just. Your message can be right, but nobody wants to fucking hear it. And if that's the reaction that you're getting that you feel like you're the conceding to stop responding because they're not going to hear the message at all. And in a way, like, I don't know if this is to this email or. But there's other people that like, I see whether it's even content or just on shit that I do with some of my friends, it's like, hey, do you know that you don't have to respond to every fucking point that's ever made ever. You can take a couple off.
- [116:31]
Brandon Walker
Yep.
- [116:31]
Ryan Rosillo
You don't need to do that now. I'm not saying the emailer is doing that, but if you are like, if you see one of your loser friends say something that a loser would say, you can just let it go. Yeah, it takes like two seconds.
- [116:43]
Brandon Walker
I had a hard Time.
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Ryan Rosillo
Read the text for a while.
- [116:44]
Brandon Walker
Yeah, I had a hard time. Like, I was, you know, we talked about this. A little abrasive. You know, I would, like, if I thought something was dumb, I would, like, kind of be like, that's dumb. And it's like, wow. Like, that's probably not the move to that. That's not how you make friends. That's how you keep friends. And at some point in my life, I just kind of was like, why am I. Why am I? Who cares if he spent this much money on this? Like, why do I care about that? What does it affect my life?
- [117:04]
Ryan Rosillo
There's nothing better. Like, honestly, one of my favorite things about getting older is just finding so many things you don't care about anymore. It's awesome.
- [117:10]
Mark Titus
The old Keanu Reeves. Two plus two is five.
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Ryan Rosillo
Good for you?
- [117:13]
Mark Titus
Sure, man.
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Brandon Walker
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right?
- [117:14]
Mark Titus
Awesome.
- [117:15]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. You just go, all right, yeah, whatever. I mean, I'm not saying, like, you want to become like a fucking just Viking and act like. I mean, I've talked about this or touched on this whole philosophy before. You don't want to be walking through like, you don't care about anything because that's not super helpful. And I don't even know necessarily how healthy that is, but all the nonsense. I'm thinking about one person that I'm not going to name right now. And it's like something can be said online without you feeling the need to do it. And if you're not the record straight. Yeah. If you're applying that to your friends and you said, the emailer said, I don't want to lose these guys as friends. The best way to keep his friends is stop fucking telling them because look,
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Mark Titus
what they should do or what.
- [117:59]
Ryan Rosillo
They're having some private moments where it's starting to sink in. Okay, yeah, there's some private moments where maybe not all of them, maybe half of them are oblivious, but there's probably a couple where it's leaning towards uncomfortable. Of like. Like, whoa, you know what? What am I actually doing?
- [118:16]
Mark Titus
Thinking about buying that bucket of driveway sealant and just getting after it. Starting a business.
- [118:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Or renting a van. I mean, it all comes with it logo. You're right, Kyle. I've thought about it.
- [118:27]
Mark Titus
All it takes is one bucket of sealer and you're off to the races.
- [118:30]
Ryan Rosillo
It's all I have to do. I don't even have to be good at it. I just call you a year later complaining. I. I don't know. This. This emailer. Because there's like a Version wide variants of what he could be about. For the most part, he seems fun, but you'll probably. If again you said you want to keep these friends, the best bet is to never let any of this stuff bother you anymore and just let them be them on the thread and then you'll be at peace going, some of them are going to figure it out and some of the other ones won't, but then they'll kind of accept whatever they're non figuring it out is. And. And maybe stop blaming everybody else.
- [119:09]
Brandon Walker
Also, if you're like, maybe try to make some new friends. Like, don't, don't. You don't have to like axe this group. If he wants friends that are pushing him and are just maybe more interesting or just in better social circles, all right, go out there and make some new friends. But that doesn't mean you just ditch your other group of friends.
- [119:27]
Mark Titus
I will say when I moved to LA and the first couple years, people would say, dude, you are who your friends are. And I'd think back to like, what are these guys in Poughkeepsie doing right now? It's like, oh no. But yeah, I stuck it out and I feel better about when I think about like, you are the. Yeah, the sub of your. For the average of your friends or whatever.
- [119:46]
Brandon Walker
Again, you are better now.
- [119:47]
Mark Titus
But again, a couple years ago, if
- [119:49]
Ryan Rosillo
I was thinking like this guy, not good. Not good at all. That'll do it for the show today, thanks to Tom, who I think is still working on the show.
- [120:00]
Brandon Walker
Yeah, he's putting us all together.
- [120:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Kevin, who's with us. Good to see him in Chicago. And of course Ceruti and Kyle will be in Chicago all week long. We've already confirmed a couple pretty big interviews for the NBA combine, so I don't know what the schedule.
- [120:16]
Brandon Walker
Hecat popped his head in mid taping, but he bounced. I don't know. So.
- [120:20]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, that's good.
- [120:21]
Brandon Walker
Yeah. Expecting some boundaries.
- [120:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Right. We're making content here, buddy. Yeah. And I guess the camera's always on, so it's going to be a tough one to get used to. So please subscribe. And and thanks as always for listening. The Ryan Rosillo Show Barstool Sports.