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LIVE FROM SAN FRAN! Todd McShay and Steve Young, Plus Cavs–Kings Trade & Giannis Latest
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Hey Priscilla Listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcast and Spotify Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. Hey, it's Ryan Rosillo and the show is live this week in San Francisco for the Super Bowl. We have a ton of football that we'll get to, but also a little NBA with a trade deadline just a few days away, so we'll be all over that. I have a trade from this weekend that I want to talk about with the Cavs and Sacramento Kings, but mostly football. Today, Todd McShay, fresh off a Senior bowl visit. Give us the news and notes from that, including one Rams rumor that I can't wait to share with you. Also, we'll mock kind of the top 10 talk quarterback markets and Will this be a down year for the SEC in the first round in overall draft numbers? We've got Steve Young, the Hall of Famer. He's not that far away. A lot of great memories. We're going to go through a lot of stuff, even some of the USFL things, but ultimately it's about his story and all the adversity and how that matches up with Sam Darnold. And he gives us a pretty strong pick on the super bowl as well. Staff Dinner Recap Life Advice Enjoy the pod. Think you know it's going to happen during the big game? Call it with DraftKings predictions, a new app where you can predict outcomes on football's biggest game. Make real money predictions on the big game and put your money where your knowledge is. Pick a topic, make your prediction. What will the total score be? Will the underdog cover? Which team will be lifting the trophy at the end? Then C. Will your big game Smarts pay off? DraftKings predictions is new, simple to use with big game trading. Available in California, Texas, Florida and more. Download now. New DraftKings predictions customers can get up to a $75 first trade bonus with the promo code Ryan. That's R y e n DraftKings predictions is a CFTC Registered introducing Broker Event Contract Trading involves substantial risk of loss one per new customer. Opt in required non withdrawable predictions dollars expire in one year ends February 8, 2026. Market availability varies. Eligibility restrictions apply. See terms. It's httpdkng.co predictionspromo. DraftKings Predictions is a CFTC Registered introducing Broker event Contract Trading involves substantial risk of loss 1 per customer Opt in required non withdrawable predictions dollars expire in one year ends February 8, 2026. Market availability varies. Eligibility restrictions apply. See terms@dkngCo predictionspromo We're 3 days away from the trade deadline. It's my favorite time of the year. Super bowl week end, the trade deadline on Thursday, he said with just a slight touch of sarcasm. But, yeah, it's been slow so far. The Trey Young thing is huge. The Yana speculation is probably as much fun as half of the trades that we've had from the last couple. But let's at least spend a couple minutes on Cleveland adding our guy, Keone Ellis. So, look, this is a win for Cleveland, and I'm going to give you a bunch of reasons why this is a win for Cleveland. He's 26. He shot it well the previous two seasons. 42, 43% from 3, 37% this year. His minutes are declining. But that's what happens when you bring in Russell Westbrook. You have Zach Levine, you have DeRozan, you sign Schroeder, who was also part of this deal going to Cleveland. So look, his. Ellis is a guy that's, that's likely taking five or six shots on average per game, but really, it's his defense. It's his defense next to Donovan Mitchell, and that he's somebody that I think at least battles with bigger players. And you need something to kind of protect Mitchell. And that was kind of the idea, at least defensively, the best version of Cleveland, with Garland and Mitchell in the backcourt, you go, all right, well, what are you giving up here? I think Garland's a target to be hunted. Mitchell, with his strength and I think a little bit more thickness in the wingspan, you'd hope he could battle a little bit more. But then you have two bigs that should clean up some of that stuff. And really, the motivation behind the Hunter acquisition was Cleveland. Looking at the east last year, thinking about Boston winning a title in 24 and, you know, likely being one of the teams they would have to face if they went deeper in the East. That's not the way it worked out. As we know, they looked at Hunter as, hey, this guy can shoot and he's 6, 7, 6, 8. We at least have a body match. And that's something I said when the deal went down, when I was in New Orleans super bowl week talking about that trade being finalized. So really the focus here is on Ellis because one, I think it, it helps you defensively match up with whatever other guard is in there, even though Garland is now still day to day with this second toe injury. Mitchell's been on fire this whole time. But, you know, the shrewder part of it, I'll probably Touch on the figures here a little bit, but I think the other most important thing was just getting Hunter off of this basketball team. I'll admit I liked DeAndre Hunter too long. My name's Ryan. Playing along Trey Young. I don't think that's a blast for another guy who should be developing on ball stuff. That's just not going to happen. So that was an excuse that I could use for John J. Hunter when he did get traded last year. You know, the contract was a four year, $90 million deal. Atlanta already paid a year. Cleveland's going to pay half the year. There's still 25 million remaining that Sacramento is going to pay next year. We'll get to some of the figures here in a second. But even if you felt like, hey, Hunter isn't really all that, like, there's these moments of like a dunk in traffic, there's a night where he's lighten it up from three, he's competing defensively, and you're like, God, if I could just get that more often. Like, this guy's kind of worth it. Well, this year his shooting splits are 42 overall and 31% from 3. I don't know what happened. I mean, maybe it was him being demoted, but they were trying to send him to the bench or bring him off the bench to get him going with being like the main guy. Like, honestly, the best version of this should have been really easy for him. You were going to be the fourth option all the time, behind Mitchell, behind Garland, behind Mobley. But with all that attention, with even Mobley off the ball because he has to be off the ball, you're not going to necessarily, like, ask him to run pick and roll, but Mobley's attention when he would have these cuts. There's a Celtics playoff series a couple years ago where Allen was out again. Cavs had no chance in that series because of all the different injuries. Mitchell was out, I think, too, but they let kind of like Mobley play the five and, and be a bigger part of the offense. And some of the stuff that you would do with the attention that you'd bring into the paint as he would cut to the hoop again. Hunter wasn't on that team, but this should have all been stuff in the fully formed version of the Cavs that should have made DeAndre Hunter's life easy. And he was apparently miserable. There's a new rule that I'm going to have for myself and be thinking about DeAndre Hunter the next time I like one of these guys with These profiles. And look, this isn't like breaking news. Like, I just stopped liking him today. He's a shy basketball player. I'm going to remind myself of that when I'm getting ready for the draft and when I'm. I'm trying to figure out if guys are going to hit their potential. I'm just never going to forget the term shy basketball player. I haven't heard. I. I just came up with it this morning when I was thinking about it. Cause I was trying to figure out the best way to describe him. And maybe that seems a little shitty or unfair, but it feels accurate, too, because you know what Keon Ellis is. He is not shy. He may not make a million shots, he may not score more than eight points, but you are going to feel him the entire game. And I think the Cavs need that. And on top of everything else, Dean Wade's a better defender and he's a better shooter. And yes, Dean Wade is actually a pretty good defensive player. Check it out. Hunter had not been this year at all. So the cavs save about $40 million on the luxury tax. The Ellis decisions come in this summer because he's unrestricted, but because they're so far over the other thresholds, this is actually a nice guy for them to be able to resign. Shooters 15 million next year, then 4.3 million is guaranteed of the $15 million deal in 2728. So there's another decision there. There's probably some moves for Cleveland, who has the highest payroll in the league this year at like almost 230 million. But I'd have to look at the numbers again after this deal. Maybe it's in like the two twenties, you know, maybe a move for them to get into the second apron. I don't know that many of you even care about this. On the other side of it, I mean, can you name the Kings forwards quick? I know you probably got one. DeRozan, the other guy who's starting most of the time. Precious Achua. I did like Precious Achua for a little while. I still think he probably plays in the league a long time, just running around out there. But the on the ball stuff with Precious, again, nobody was going to have him running their offense. But there was. There was little signs of him before the draft. You're like, what if he rounds out some of this other stuff? Really, he's just a big energy guy. Hit some corner threes even better. But you can now have Hunter play power forward next to Sabonis. This is a small basketball team. DeRozan, small forward Levine and then Westbrook. I don't know what Sacramento's doing. The Valance Unis, Charitch part of it where they had to flip charge in this. This is a three team deal. They end up giving up second rounders to get up the charge money. So it's just a string of of decisions here for Sacramento where I think there's some financial stuff, I think this makes them a tax team, but there's some financial stuff where you could argue, hey, well we got off a shooter with the extra year, but now you're going to be paying Hunter 25 million. So the Kings have done an awesome job of cornering the market on some players that feel a little pricey that other teams aren't super interested in Giannis. ESPN did a cool thing with our guy Bobby Marks where they went through a bunch of potential trades. They did it with like six different teams. And I'm not going to just read it verbatim because you go to ESPN and read that. But I just want to make sure I was referencing it here because it's a combination of a bunch of different things that we've heard then also them having fun on dot com, getting creative and running it past Bobby. The way I see the Giannis market and you know, I'm not a reporter, I do talk to a lot of people, but I know that I'm not. I always wonder sometimes like if I'm getting the information, if I'm getting it 48 hours later than it actually happened and it's already been put out, you know. But I'm just sharing with you because I think some of this is interesting. So it's more than a guess. But not presenting myself as like shams over here. Right. If you're trying to figure out Milwaukee, I think we can all just as basketball fans are locked into this stuff, go. All right, well what would make sense the Golden State package. Like you probably don't care about the players in Butler Kaminga, although that Hunter trade probably rules them out. Can you play Deandre Hunter and Jonathan Kaminga together? I'd like to play who knows, who knows. So between Butler, who's her Kaminga, Pajemski, the four firsts from Golden State and the swap and you'd be thinking of Giannis went to Golden State with Curry. You're even though there's a 29 and a 30. Like really even with the 26. I'm kind of like listing off the picture probably thinking about what are these Golden State picks going to look like in 30, 32? That's. Even if you're getting picks from 26 to year 2032, you're probably going, all right, what do we think the pick will look like in 2030, 2032. That's the real value. All right, so that's, that's one part of this, the New York trade that I've seen that we even talked about where Portland would have to get involved. Do they like a player from the New York Knicks enough to feel better tomorrow than they do today? Short term, hey, we're in this playing thing. Can we get a little bit better with what we have? It may not be the best long term planning, but we haven't been good for a while. So let's just do something aggressive here. And if it means we're giving back swap rights to Milwaukee, we're not necessarily giving them away their picks and they may not be motivated to tear this whole thing down unless they get these picks back. So it's not like we're giving up what could be awesome picks. Maybe they still could be. If this whole thing's ended up as a disaster in Milwaukee, does Milwaukee want control of their picks more back than they want Golden State's picks north of the year 2029? And then you have the Miami part of this, where before the deadline on Thursday, it's probably Giannis built around some version of Hero, Machine Gun Hero, the ROER contract, which apparently the ruling today was that he's going to get paid that money. But we're operating under the idea that it could be involved or included in something. I know there's also going to be a lot of people like Hero played not that close for Milwaukee. Like, I don't know, Bucks fans are like, we lost Giannis, but Hero went to High School 20 minutes away. And then Khalil Ware, who's, you know, really nice, interesting player who a local Miami reporter called him, quote, a blue chip talent. It was funny. I read blue chip talent and I knew exactly who the writer was and I clicked on the article and I guessed correctly. Khalil Ware is a nice player. I'd be interested in Khalil Ware, but I mean, Vijay Edgecombe, if we're talking like young guys, I don't even think Philly would necessarily do something like that. I don't know, whatever. I mean, maybe if you're competing against everybody else, maybe Daryl Morey decides to kick in his 5% rule, where the rule is if you have a 5% chance of winning an NBA championship based on A potential move, running your models. Remember when Darrell came on with us and we talked about the Rockets and the warriors, he's like, whoa, we have like a 57% chance of facing the warriors in the Western Conference playoffs. So, yeah, like, we were building a team and doing a lot of those things. That was actually a quote. He said it because then Bob. I said it to Bob Myers, and Bob Myers came on and laughed and was like, God, he's like, Darrell, he thinks about all the different angles. So his rule was like, hey, if. If you have a 5% chance of winning NBA championship based on a potential move, then you have to do that move. That's why I think the Anthony Davis thing could be in play here with some teams going, yeah, like, we get it. We know all the flaws. We know about the future contract demand. We know there's a bunch of reasons this doesn't make a ton of sense. But if we're not that broken up about what we're giving up and we look at the east going, hey, this might be. This might be something we could do here. So it might be more about winning the east and it would be beating OKC out of the west if it's OKC and not Denver again, you know, Denver just trying to get healthy, not quite there. OKC wins a terrific game last night. So as I'm kind of like talking about the, the Darrell rule and hey, if you have a chance, would you go ahead and take a swing at any of this stuff? I want to just kind of close with, like, hey, Miami could make their deal look a lot better in the summer because it wouldn't just be the players that I just listed and the 29 first, and then a swap in 30 and then a 31 first. But they could wait until draft night and they could acquire the player that Miami would be slotted to take. And then because the calendar starts up again, then another future pick could be available. So if you, if, if Giannis is like, hey, I only want Miami or whatever, I think what you're trying to figure out here, if you're the bucks for an office, is do we like the high end version of what the warriors picks are going to be in four years? Do I like Khalil Ware better than any of the other players that are available? And that seems like we can't get anybody better than Claire. Again, I like them, but, you know, do they care that much about controlling their own two swaps back from Portland, or does it get real quiet the next couple days where they go we'd rather all the Miami picks and a player more than all the Golden State picks and a collection of players that we don't necessarily love unless they think there's a market for Butler to flip him next year for another first. So I can't wait. I can't wait to see what happens here. It was definitely dead on Giannis and then picked up momentum for what felt like a couple weeks. I have. I have no momentum read as of right now and obviously got super choked up because you know, trade deadlines easy. Let's talk some football. This episode is brought to you by Raising Canes. I'm a huge Cane's guy. The crispy chicken fingers, the crinkle cut fries, grilled Texas toast and of course the Cane sauce. When I'm watching any sport, but especially the big game this weekend, there's nothing better than a Cane's box combo. There's also nobody better than Cane's founder Todd Graves. This isn't even on the script. I love Todd. Todd's always at the big game with a star studded crew in his suite. Never know who's going to be there with him. Me personally, I'll be watching this game and enjoying some Cane's. I'm a simple guy. All I need is some of their chicken fingers and cane sauce and I'm good. Looks like I'm not getting the invite. Raising Cane's chicken fingers one love. I can't think of a better way to start off our first trip here together with barstool super bowl week in San Francisco. Todd McShay joins us. His show the McShay show on Ringer and Spotify. Also make sure you subscribe, which I think I have two subscriptions too because I couldn't figure out how to log in again. The McShay report How we rope you in, man. I know it's I'm never going to cancel it even if I wanted to so. But I would never want to because he's fresh off the Senior Bowl. He's got a ton of pods up, a ton of great video and also the print stuff. So let's get into all this stuff. Let's start with the quarterbacks. I know it's fairly obvious I want to do some of the Senior bowl thoughts from you here. Mendoza going one overall, I think the best way to ask a question if we go to that 24 class and then the 25 class. Let's do the 24 one first. Where would Mendoza rank for you as a quarterback prosec prospect in comparison with those players, I'd have him at 4.
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If I'm being honest. It was, it was really close between just coming out, like not, not what we've seen obviously, but between Caleb and Jaden and then Drake was a very clear cut, like just behind those, those two. But I would have Mendoza 4 and it's, you know, it doesn't sound real exciting but, but you'd have them ahead of, of penix and, and McCarthy and Bo nicks. I, the tougher one is Cam Ward.
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Honestly.
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Cam, Cam Ward's more talented. I think I trust Mendoza's game a little bit more in terms of like where he is. He proved to me coming from Cal last year. I saw him and watched his tape and I was like, this guy has first round ability, but my gosh, he's got to be reeled in like the turnover worthy plays and kind of some panics under pressure and turning the ball over and even when he wasn't turning it over, he probably should have. And then to watch him with Kirk Signetti and that staff for a year and they started like very, it was like methodical like RPOs and you're going to, you're going to learn to play inside the structure of our offense and then we'll let you, you know, we'll kind of loosen up the rain a little bit. And that's what happened. And you got to see as the season went on and in tough moments on the road like Iowa, Oregon, they weren't great games from him, but in the biggest moments and in the fourth quarter, he was outstanding. Penn State, same thing without Surrat out there. But Omar Cooper was kind of doing his thing and had the big catch at the end of the game. You saw in those big moments that kind of the confidence kept growing.
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And.
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He developed in the player that he's become. And for all the quirkiness and the interviews and all that stuff, he's a nerd. And I love that. Like Tom Brady's a nerd, Peyton Manning's a nerd. Like those guys are like, they just. So there's, there's a trust level with Mendoza that he's going to do all the right things. He's going to like mentally be able to pick up the things that you're looking for early in his career and he's going to have some bumps in the road. He's not as. He's not going to be able to overcome certain things like Caleb can and Jaden can and, and Drake can and all that. But, but I think it the biggest thing is, will the Raiders actually get it right in terms of surrounding him and Will like the coaching staff and putting him in a position early on where he's comfortable? Will they protect him? Will they. They obviously have their running back and Ashton Genti, but will there be better weapons and allow him to distribute the way that he was at Indiana this year? Again, it'll take a year or two, but I really believe we'll look up in two, three years from now and say, yeah, he's. He's one of the 15 best quarterbacks in the league and he's heading towards being maybe one of the top 10, top 12. I think he's got a chance to be that.
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You deserve credit of Mendoza, because when you were doing his Cal tape, I remember you talking about it. You, you mentioned it on the pod and, you know, we were looking at, ahead of the college football season and you were like, man, I kind of, you know, there's something about him. I kind of like him. And clearly Signetti and that staff saw the exact same thing. But I'm wondering the things that you liked, like, how much more like, what happened as far as, like, what you thought of him as like, hey, look out for this guy at Indiana versus now being the number one pick.
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Yeah, I think he went from like an exciting young puppy, you know, like, kind of running around and fun and all that stuff to like, he's like the, he's like a trusted dog on the porch. And like, you, like, you can go out and hunt with him. It's one of my worst analogies of all time. But, like, you know what I mean? Like, there was like a lot of exciting traits and he could become something to like. As this season progressed, you saw maturity in him. Decisions like his, where his eyes were trusting his reads, knowing when to take off and run or, you know, when, when he. It just wasn't there. And that was like, I'd love to sit down with someone, people and like, just watch the Cal tape with them and be like, everyone can see these tools. But my gosh, is he, He's. He makes me nervous as a, as a play caller that if, if, if it's not there, what's going to happen? And then to see Signetti, like, Signetti wouldn't let him come down to the Manning passing academy. It was interesting. Like, Drew Eller opted not for like three straight years, apparently, like, would come up with an excuse and didn't want to go down there. And some guys do that because they don't want you Know the kind of, the fear of, well, I just don't want to go down there. Maybe you get exposed for not being this, this and this. Mendoza wanted to, had been there the year before. Everyone there loved him, handled it like a, you know, like a grown man and like called, called Archie and like did all the right things. But Kurt, despite Kurt was. People were like calling Kurt, like, let's let him come down. It's a good opportunity. Kurt wanted him in the lab, man. And he knew what he had talent wise and he knew it was such an upgrade over, over Rourke from Rourke from the year before. But, but he also knew I've got a lot of work to do to make sure that he's doing the things that we need because this is good. It's one of the best coach, arguably the best coach football team in the land. And we saw what, you know, the ultimate result. But they knew that they had to get him living it, breathing it, thinking it. Like he had to be in that system at all, like 24 7. And you saw what it did for him and I'm just, yeah, I didn't think he was going to be ready at the end of this year. And even halfway through the year I was like, yeah, I still think he needs another year. And then by like Ohio State at the end of that game, I was like, all right, I'm all in. The funny part was I was the first to, first to market with Mendoza. I'm not afraid to admit it, but I also was one of the last ones to go all in on him because every mensch calls it the Twitter mafia. You know, like everyone in the NFL Twitter draft mafia, they all want to be the first one there. Everyone's racing. I had him back in June. No, I had him two years ago when he wasn't even playing. I wasn't ready to go all in until I saw him against, dude, that defense in that stage. Indiana against Ohio State, the big like. And when he did it in that. And then late in the game, that throw down the right rail to Becker, I think it was. Those are the moments that kind of define quarterbacks. And you get to see do they have it or do they not? And he, he just kept answering that bell. Yeah.
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Considering down in distance for that shot too. Like you're going, that's, that's, that's what you're going with. Like that looks like a 10 year NFL, right? To be like, hey, I don't care. Like sometimes you'll look at some of the great NFL guys and it's third and four and you're like, you couldn't find some sort of crosser underneath. And it's like, no, I got one on one with my guy on the outside and I don't care, like I'm going to the end zone. I thought that Becker throw and look, there's just, there's not much from this year. But I'm glad how you kind of put into perspective because I don't know that anybody be like, hey, he'd be number one in the 24 class just from a tool standpoint of the three guys that you would still have ahead of him. If we pivot this to the rest of the quarterback needy teams, you know, the jets at 2, Arizona at 3, Cleveland at 6, Miami at 11. It, it doesn't seem like there's any team that could get creative. Like what would you do if you were gm? One of these teams that needs a quarterback but you have a pick this high.
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The first thing I'm doing is I'm trying to trade back and I don't know that how good that market's going.
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To be this year. Because everyone wants to trade back.
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Yeah, everyone wants to trade. Everyone who has a quarterback need and recognizes the fact that you can't address it with one of these draft picks. And we're probably gonna have to bring in a veteran or take a shot at Ty Simpson later. Everyone is looking around saying how do I, how do I manage this? It's not a one year, get it fixed deal. It's a two year process. And my best shot is get more draft capital in 2027. I mean we do this all the time, but I promise you, 2027, if it's not the best, it'll go down as one of the two or three best quarterback drafts and maybe overall drafts, certainly in my time doing this, but I think probably in the common draft era that goes back to the what the 60s the names are. And I'm not going to mention all of them, but like from Arch to, to Dante Moore to Lenora Sellers to Brandon Sorsby, I think a lot of people are sleeping to, to C.J. carr, to my Mava, the quarterback at USC. Like there's, there's a chance we could, we had six and 12 picks in 2024. There could be eight first rounders next year. It's that loaded. So not only do I want to plan on Drafting one in 2027, I'd like to have the capital move up to be able to choose. Maybe I don't get Arch, but. And maybe I don't get Dante, but I'd like to be able to choose from the others. That would be my first, you know, mission in this year's draft is to try to trade back so that I can get some more capital next year. It's that important. Otherwise, it's. I'm not going to fool around in this. If I'm. Here's the deal. Ty Simpson goes to one of those teams you just mentioned, like the Jets. Forget it. Arizona. Forget it. Miami. Forget it.
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What do you mean? Like, it's just not going to work.
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You're just determined it's not going to. How many times an inexperienced quarterback going to the New York Jets? I mean, how many Mark Sanchez's and, and, and Sam Darnold experiments and Zach Wilson and Geno Smith, like, it's just. It's not going to work. That owner, that organization, no chance.
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Cleveland, well, they have to take one at some point. So, I mean, you can be right about history.
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I mean, you can take. I'm talking about the first round. So if I'm the Jets, like, how about we just try to get our build around that position before we get to 20, 27. Don't. Don't even utilize the second round pick on a quarterback. Honestly, what are we bringing him into? Did you watch the jets at the end of last year?
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Not a ton. Honestly.
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Right. There wasn't much that you missed. So my point is now if Ty Simpson goes to the rams, it in 13. Sounds rich right now. We'll see about. In April.
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Can I just jump in real quick? Cause you said something in the last episode of the McShay show where it was like, hey, Rams, Simpson. Like, it was, it was something where I'm like prepping for the. I was like, whoa. That seemed, that seemed specific.
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File it, man. Think about Sean McVeigh and what he's looking for.
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Right?
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And he, he didn't want even. He, he want. What did he. What do you call it? He wants a. Like a partnership partner.
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Yeah, that was the Stafford thing. Yeah.
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Yeah. And so Jared Goff, like, he's gone on to have a great career, but he, like, he wanted a veteran that he could talk at the same level with right now. Ties. Ties. Dad's a head coach and, and he's been in ball his whole life. And so as far as rookies go, Ty and Nussmeier are two guys that make sense because they're so far advanced mentally and with the language and the anticipation and understanding and being able to pick things up than most quarterbacks coming out in the draft. So I think Ty Simpson makes too much sense to the Rams. And I think if you're less need with Sean McVeigh, you're looking at that and saying a little bit like the Giants this year, like, we got to draft Abdul at 3, but I still want Jackson dart a lot. And there's not. It's not an exact parallel, but there's a player at 13 that we. We really want. And so maybe at 29, we take Ty Simpson if he's still there. But as we get closer to the draft with no other quarterbacks, history tells you Ty Simpson is going to go from a top 40 prospect to he's going in the first round. But where is it is my guess. And you watched the first nine games of Ty Simpson this past year before he got banged up. Ty Simpson still isn't throwing a football right now. He's. He's so beat up from this past year. Protection got figured out. Too many hits started to force things was like just no run game at all. And so there's a lot to work with with Ty Simpson, he's not the biggest. He's got a good arm, not elite. He's got some better mobility. And people want to give him credit, but he's not, you know, an elite runner. But in terms of, like, the anticipation, getting the ball out, accuracy, he's he. And even the offense last year, they were doing a lot of NFL things. So I think McVeigh, with Stafford for another year, being able to work with him and get. Get Ty Simpson maybe ready for 20, 27, something like that. That's a plan that I could. I could wrap my head around. So I'm not going to get off of that unless I talk to Les and he's like, would you stop? It's not happening. Yeah, because she might.
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It was something. Yeah. I was thinking about it after you had said it, and then you think about the trade they make last year with Atlanta, and that's why I have the pick. And maybe some front offices go, hey, it's almost like a free pick. So, like, why not do this? But then I think that's stupid because it's like, no, it's a real pick. That's your pick. You have it in the first round. Doesn't mean you just like, it's not a $50 chip on the way out.
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B
Of checking out of the host Gravy.
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A
Yeah. Um, but it. It definitely made me think about. Cause I think there's so much More to like about Simpson from the tape this year, again, confessing that I'm not nearly as close to you are in studying. But there's. I watched a lot of those games and there's some throws in the Missouri game where I'm like, all right, this guy's nasty and he's tough as hell. Even after the Florida State ass kicking. My favorite part from the Alabama standpoint, because there wasn't really much else to pick from, is that that guy was sitting there looking like he wanted to maybe retire because of how bad that game went, and yet he was just coming right back out there to fight every single time. They could not run the football. He took a beating all season long.
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B
They ranked like 114th or something in the nation in Russia.
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A
I can't imagine Alabama ever having a team that's that bad at running the football. And then you look at like, all right, well, this tackles an NFL prospect and this guy's.
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B
I'm telling you, Ty Simpson, games like 2 through 9, was the best quarterback in college football. Was the best quarterback prospect.
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A
I thought he was terrific. So just because at the end of the year, it doesn't go well, or you think, oh, he's getting sped up. And it's like, no, shit, he's getting sped up. Like, are you kidding?
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B
I just watched Garrett Nussmeier at the Senior bowl, too.
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A
All right, let's talk about him.
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B
Miserable year this past year. You know, they talked about, like, knee tendonitis coming into the year. Was that a factor? Saw some of that on tape. Didn't seem like the same guy for like five, six weeks. No one.
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A
The abdominal injury, too. And then they ran like some deep throw. Like, pull this up when you're doing this. Because it was an unbelievably a revealing stat on who NUSSM was in 24 and 25. But on deep balls, he's one of the best throwers. And 25, like a completely different guy.
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B
And you know, if you watch that old Ms.
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A
Tape, yeah.
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C
It'S hard.
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B
I certainly wasn't like, you know, come into tears, but I don't know that I've ever felt worse for a player watching being like, oh, like, who.
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C
Who's.
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B
Who's in charge of protecting Garrett from Garrett? Who is in charge in that. In that program that is going to look a young man in the eyes and say, you know what? Like, you're not allowed to go out there. He couldn't throw the football, like, at all. And then you talk to him this week in Mobile. And he's. This past week and he's talking about how he had to kind of like, teach himself the wrong ways to throw the ball so that it didn't hurt his. The. The oblique. And he got into bad habits. And then. So when the oblique started to feel a little bit better, he still, he had to, like, go. He got cleared to throw at the Senior bowl like a week or two before and was just working on, like, getting back to his old habits of throwing the ball. So he's been through a lot, man. He's been through a lot. And. But I guess my point was, for all those people were like, well, is. Is Ty Simpson. Ty Simpson from the first nine games, or is he the guy at the end of the year? I just watched Nussmeier from 2024. All the good stuff, it doesn't go away. It's just when you're injured and you got no run game and the protection's not there, find me a quarterback that can overcome all those things. And so it was a good reminder of Nussmeier's still that guy from 2024. It's just, he's healthy now, his confidence is back, his mechanics are back, and he's not getting hit every single, every time he drops back. And I think it's going to be the same thing with Ty Simpson. They're both undersized guys. They're both guys that were playing in the sec. They're both guys that didn't have good protection, had miserable run games, and it took too much of a toll on them. And so I'm not saying either of them is going to go on to do what Drake May is doing, you know, But I am saying they're both capable of being good starters in the NFL if put in the right system. And I'm looking at the rams and picks 13 and 30, and I'm saying, I can't think of a better situation for Ty Simpson or Nuss Meyer if they wound up in the second round for, For a young quarterback to go to learn, you know, like Mahomes had Alex Smith to sit behind Stafford with no threat of taking his job, like the Aaron Rodgers stuff and all, and to sit back and learn around an offensive coach who is, like, among the best in the NFL at doing it. And in 2027, let's see where this thing is.
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A
I'm glad you brought up the Nussmeyer 2425 thing, because, you know, my whole thing on it is this is playing out with a weak QB class. I'm like, you know, if you get him in the second or third round and he's not coming in to be the savior, you know, if he were clean and had a really good statistical season, he's going in the top 10 because of the physical part of it, the mental part of it. And my favorite thing with him, too, is I know he can get real loose with the football, and that's something that has to be reined in a little bit. But at least, like, as far as college offenses go, third and seven, third and eight, he's going to try. He's actually going to try to get you the first down. And I know there's a few disastrous games in there where you're like, you gotta. You've gotta reign it in here a little bit. But there's just so many quarterbacks that I get so frustrated with watching on Saturdays where I'm like, oh, third and eight. All right, we're gonna throw it to the line of scrimmage and, hey, can you beat four tackles? And it's like, no, you can't. And then the guy may have, like, really clean efficiency stats and all that kind of stuff. And it's like, yeah, but on third and long, like, I don't know that you're really playing the position. And that. That, to me, has always been. That's when I can figure out whether or not you can play that position. So I'm wondering if there's, like, a really happy ending to the Nussmeyer story in that he goes later, there's no expectations. He maybe sits for a little bit, but then you're bringing in somebody who's not as raw as some of these other guys. And I'm glad you brought up, as I said, the 24, 25 thing in reference to May, because Drake, May after the 24 season. Well, actually, after the 23 season, a lot of guys that. That I like and guys that you like are like, you know who I think is nasty as Drake? May. So, like, there was a year on his resume where then he goes back the next year, and you can blame it on personnel and the lack of receivers and. And I think those are all really fair things. It was a different set of circumstances than, say, Nussmeier, maybe a little bit more like Ty Simpson, but not in the receiver game o line for Bama on that one. But I wonder when you're evaluating somebody and you go, man, the last year sucked, sucked. But look at that year. And that's what May is. And maybe why, if you watched him that season with UNC as opposed to his final season. I mean, even this is ridiculous. This guy's playing in a Super bowl, but it makes a little bit more sense when you think about him in 23.
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B
Yeah, there's just there, there's so much that goes into it. And, and the intelligent evaluators are the ones that keep, that have context.
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A
Right.
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B
And keep perspective. And like Derek Stingley is an example. Like he mailed it in his final year, didn't want to play much. Like the tape wasn't the same. And, and when, and then he like just shut it down. It's like, wait, is that, is that the guy we're getting? Is, is he just a dog? Is. And then look at what he's done in the NFL. To me, it's. You don't excuse away the bad year or the sitting out games, whatever it is, but you always have to figure out the why, right? And then you always have to look at what, what can he be? I don't care if it's two years, whatever it is, what's the best of. And let's look at that and then let's figure out why it wasn't always the best of. And if those reasons aren't that he's just a horrible human being or he just quit loving football or he like something that's outrageous, you're probably going to get the player that was the best of when he gets to the NFL and the motivation to go out and be that player again. And the circumstances are typically a little bit better or more evened out. I just watched TJ Parker from Clemson. He's a top 10 prospect on my board coming into the year. Absolutely phenomenal. 11 sacks, power player, long arm. Just walking over guys in 2024 this year. I don't know what the hell happened at Clemson.
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A
Man.
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B
You got Peter woods, defensive tackle, T.J. parker, defensive end. You got all that talent back there, Avion Terrell at corner. None of them played to the level. So it's, it's figuring out what happened this past year. But also I just watched the Senior bowl of TJ Parker was one of the best four or five players there. Now all of a sudden it went from he's a top 10 pick coming in the season to by the end of the year, it's like, I don't know, I don't want him, something's wrong to now after a week in Mobile, Apples to apples comparisons, watching him in one on ones, watching him in team, it's like, oh, that's the first rounder. Again, this guy can play his, he's built for the NFL. So there's a lot of that going on and all different positions.
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A
But.
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B
But yeah, the quarterback. There's just a lot of factors.
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A
Anything else from the Senior Bowl? Just guys that stood out. Or you maybe change your mind on.
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B
Which Malachi Fields, man, Malachi fields has what, 36 catches at wide receiver for Notre Dame this past year in 12 games. And you just like, I see where he's a big guy, you could get some, some vertical stuff with him, contested, all that stuff. Then I go down to the Senior Bowl, I'm like, oh, wait, he, he's tempo in his routes like a pro. He's like, he's really good at adjusting. He had the best. He had the play of the week. I was standing like probably four yards behind Taylor Green, who just up chucked a pass after probably, you know, he had like a 10 yard outlet throw, could have picked up a first down, decided to look back and just hucked it. The ball came out of his hand and I was like, oh man, he blew it because Fields kind of had a step on the DB, threw it back like 10 yards over the middle of the field. And Fields all of a sudden like Willie Mays just and goes and tracks it down. That's the best of right. I'm seeing he does. Malachi Fields does something different than all these other cats here at the Senior bowl at wide receiver. But then I'm watching him, the routes, and he's, he's savvy, he's tempo, he's smooth, he's in and out of breaks. This wide receiver class. I didn't know it was going to be that great coming in the air. Now all of a sudden we've got Makai Lemon, who had a monster year for usc. I just love his game. I think, you know, some people are saying, like Amanra Saint Brown or whatever, he's tough, he's physical, he's not the biggest guy, but he's just as productive. Then you've got, you get some bigger guys. Carnell Tate from Ohio State had a huge year after an okay 24. He had a monster season this year, especially before the injury. Then you've got Jordan Tyson from Arizona State. He's had some durability stuff, but he is a smooth, big, thick athlete. Denzel Boston, another 6 foot 4 receivers, he's massive. And then Malachi Fields, you've got all these other guys like Zachariah Branch from Georgia, Casey Concepcion, Texas A&M Antonio Williams from Clemson, Jeremy Bernard from Alabama, all kind of smaller slots or Z's. But Malachi Fields, with the week he put on at the Senior Bowl, I think maybe he could be the fifth or sixth receiver off the board. I think he could be a starting X in the league. This year's wide receiver class is loaded. The other position is edge. And I talked to you about Parker, but Zion Young from Missouri and Derek Moore from, from Michigan had similar weeks in terms of how consistently disruptive and productive and dominant that they were. And that's a class that has David Bailey from Texas Tech, Bain and Messador from Miami, Keldrick Falk, who's only 20 years old, but 6 7, 267 pounds. Like, there's just a lot of edge defenders and a lot of wide receivers. And those guys come off the board fast because of the position, the importance of those positions.
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A
If you're looking at Kansas City at 9, right, which feels like one of those. It's like the warriors ending up with the number two pick throughout the Curry years, and then it didn't work out cause it was James Wiseman. But maybe nine and two is not necessarily the same, but you're getting a ninth pick in a stretch where you just never expect that with having Mahomes healthy for an entire year, right? And so you can look at what they've tried to do at receiver. And they've, they've tried like it looked like they hit on Rice. Then Rice is a disaster. He might be talented enough to be a number one, but we'll see the worthy thing. I think a lot of college fans, I'll just never forget even texting you that first night. And like, I can't believe they ended up with this guy in the trade. And you're like, yeah, but he's, he's not really like completely complete in the way that everybody's kind of assuming here. And again, I think the, the results are exactly what people that watched him a lot or people that evaluate him, like, there's a reason why he's going this late, considering how fast and how gifted he is, because he's just. So then, you know, Sky Moore, like, they just haven't gotten the receiver thing right necessarily. And you're going, you know, can't you get back to the Mahomes stuff? Some of the deep shot stuff, like, can't you figure this out? And it looks like if you're nine, Tate's going to be gone by then. And with the NFL having way more of a tendency to draft Based on need. There's just. You're going to have to start thinking about guys later on. Like I don't think you can get cute if you're Kansas City. But then when I look at the names that could be in that range where I want to spend a little time on Caleb Downs, maybe he's gone by nine. Jeremiah Love could be in that spot. Bailey could be in that spot from Texas Tech, Mansoor from lsu, who I thought was one of the few bright spots. He stood out the entire time. When you watch LSU play on defense, he was awesome at corner.
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B
I, I don't.
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A
Again, this isn't about Kansas City getting cute and trying to use the 9th pick to find a way to solve the receiver thing. They're going to. Based on the depth that you talk about, probably try to figure it out later in the rounds. But in that range, like do you just go, hey, I like, I like Jeremiah Love with them way more as an offensive weapon or just add to this defense knowing that you're getting a really special prospect, probably higher than you would ever expect based on what you normally think. Where the Chiefs are going to draft.
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B
Yeah, it's. It's a unique opportunity.
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A
Right.
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B
And the certainly the splash would be if Jeremiah Love is there.
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A
The way he kind of gets me excited just to be like, hey, figure out a way to make it work because he might be the best player in college football.
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B
I mean there are some teams that I've talked to like they have the, the highest grade in the class on him.
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A
Yeah, that. That would make sense to me.
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B
And it's a weird class because a running back and off the ball linebacker and a safety, three of the highest grades with Arvell Reese and and downs as you mentioned, Jeremiah loves the one that I kind of can't get out of my head. But if we move past that, I do think, do you want to spend more time on it?
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A
I don't mind if you do because I get giddy just about the idea.
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B
Couldn't you just imagine it like sit back? Right, right. I think in the back feel like carrying the load, but also like the way they like to utilize and the way he catches the ball and those long strides when he gets going and the speed and think about that long touchdown run in the College Football Playoff 20, 24, 25 season. I don't know, man. I feel like they haven't gotten that position right in a minute either. So that would be intriguing. Really intriguing. But beyond that, I kind of feel like don't you want to the edge would make a lot of sense that David, David Bailey's there. I don't know that he's going to be there.
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A
David Bailey's there at nine. I mean all you have to watch is the Oregon tape. It gets ridiculous.
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B
Yeah, he's not going to be there at nine.
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A
No.
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B
And then the rest of the guys are really good, but I don't know that you're, you're like blown away. But like Bane is really good, but I don't. And yeah, he could go and probably will go in the top 10. But I think with that pick I could see them going offensive line quite honestly, like, and just bringing in another. Trying to protect Mahomes coming off the injury. Got to be more balanced, got to be able to protect better whether it's a Fano or, or, or Maui Noah from, from Utah, Miami respectively. But I can't get off the Jeremiah Love thing and, and those other receivers like Jordan Tyson would make a lot of sense. Makai Lemon would. What is not going to wow you, but wouldn't it be nice? When's the last time they got someone who's reliable?
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A
That's what I think about with Jeremy and I've already brought it up to you. But he's, he is my. Well, I don't know if I'd say he's my favorite receiver. Cause I understand like the high end comps that we're talking about with these other guys and Tyson clearly, like if he was healthy, we would probably be talking to him about the number two receiver in this class after Tate. I don't know if you'd agree or disagree on that one, but Jeremy's going to be a really good NFL player for 10 years.
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B
Yes. There's draft him in the second round. You, you utilize him as like a, as a slot in Z. And he's just, he's just going to be really. He's going to be like 60, 70 catches average. Like I don't know, some 10 to 12 per catch. Maybe like 9, 10, you know, like. But he's just going to be really good. I, I love, I love Jeremy.
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A
If you're talking reliable, like that's the first thing you're saying about him in the room. Like if everybody's arguing like what do we need? What do we need? Reliable.
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B
Trust him. That's.
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A
That's who he is. But again, if you're talking about Kansas City later on, it's like we might need that game changer. And even if they feel like they've whiffed on that in the past that worthy's just not going to be enough of an option. Sky more than workout all this different stuff. It doesn't mean now you shift. You don't start saying like, hey, let's get lower ceiling receivers in here. But between the O line issues, even though they've. They've invested so many resources to the O line, you wonder if they go, hey, we just need a kind of a reset year at O line. But I don't know if anyone's going to follow to him at nine. That makes a ton of sense. And then it's the Caleb thing, because I was talking with somebody about Caleb and we were going through it and it's like, man, like the Nick Eman worry love that we had for him last year and to see him play like this and then you go, okay, those measurables, all the tape and then he runs in the four threes. Like, how does he actually go late? And then it's just so many teams still can't get past the idea of like, I can't take a safety that high. But when you look at some of these defenses that we love over the last.
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B
He doesn't go to Mike McDonald in Seattle. I don't. He doesn't have the year. Like we all said before the, like in March. If he goes somewhere else, it might not be that great. But he was always. If he gets with Mike McDonald, the way they utilize their safes, like it's a perfect fit. But yeah, go on.
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A
So.
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B
No, all right.
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A
But that's good because I'm glad you said that. Do you look at Caleb Downs? Who remember when he was a freshman at Bama? The word was Saban was saying he's the single best football player that we have on this team. Okay.
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B
And he was at Ohio State last year with eight first eight draft picks on that defense. And he was again this year, believe it or not, even with Arvell re stealing all the thunder and sunny style.
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A
Okay.
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B
Because still was the best player.
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A
All right.
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B
Still the best player because a lot.
- [51:23]
A
Of people would say that. Yeah. Well, our Arvel had surpassed him with the. Of the, you know, having the belt of the single best player on the team. You think Caleb's still the best player on that Ohio State team.
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B
He. He's. I didn't see and even go. Go look at some of the like the pff numbers or.
- [51:40]
A
You sound like you've been ready for this. Like, oh, I'm ready to do the Caleb down thing for the Caleb Downs thing for the next couple months, I.
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B
Think we get draft fatigue a lot because, like, 2024 was like, yeah, we got all these really good players for Ohio State, but the guy who can't be drafted is. He's the best. But then this year there was like, there was this new shiny toy and, and, and he was awesome. Like, Arville Reese is going to get drafted higher than, than Downs. I get it and I get the, the 6, 4, 2, 45, and I get the length and I get the edge. Rushing capability, all of it. But Downs. Downs was literally the same exact player. He didn't have. He didn't take a step back. He wasn't just okay. He was awesome.
- [52:24]
C
This year. He is.
- [52:25]
B
He's the. He, like gets two steps on everybody in terms of his reads, his instincts. He's around the ball. You can utilize him in all these different ways. He's not going to work out like Eamon Warren. He's not going to, like, he's. He's average size by NFL standards. He's probably, you know, he's going to probably pass on running at the combine. He'll run at the Ohio State, which is, we all joke, like, 39 yards downhill. So everyone gets like a 4, 3 or low 4, 4. So his 40 will wind up being pretty good. But he's not, like, he's not going to blow you away with any of that, but he's going to step on the field for if. If it's a defense like the Chiefs, where there is pressure up front and like, he can be utilized as a piece, he's going to become. He might be defensive rookie of the Year if he lands on that Chiefs defense. He can be defensive rookie of the year next year. He can be that impactful?
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A
Yeah, because I, I love him. I love him and you know, he's not going to get his name called during the broadcast.
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B
Jeremiah Love could be offensive rookie of the year in that offense, too.
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A
Yeah, well, I guess Monsore at least will be there, right, If. If they want to go corner. I didn't expect to spend that much, but I. It was really. We were talking about the other guys as opposed to just the Chiefs part of it. Yeah, this is pivoting off of the Monsore part of it. It's something I was texting you about a little bit. As we've seen the SEC go through, by their standards, a disappointing stretch of multiple seasons now where I feel like the conversation becomes a lot more fair of, like, where are they? Where are they? Like, what is their standing in college? Football as the Big Ten wins three straight titles, three different teams here. And so then it's like, okay, the people that hated the SEC would be like, oh, but you had all these draft, you know, like, when they were rolling and they were clearly the best conference. And then I would point to the draft stuff. I'd be like, okay, like, what are we. What are we talking about? Like, why would any. No one would ever argue this the other way around? And then I started looking at a bunch of the different mocks, and I was looking at some of the rankings. I was like, oh, like, this could be a really weird year for the SEC in the first round and more importantly, like, in the top 10. So I know you haven't mocked it out. I know you have.
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B
Well, you texted me and we're like, how. How many guys do you have from the SEC? And what was like top 10 or first round?
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A
Yeah. So how many?
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B
And I. I hadn't. I hadn't thought of it like that yet. And I started looking down my list.
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A
I was like. I was like, oh, shoot.
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B
Yeah. I was like. And before you didn't ask me what. Where you were going with it, I was like, I know where you're going with this. Huh? Let me go through. I just did an updated top 20.
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A
Okay.
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B
Mendoza, Reese, Jeremiah Love, David Bailey, Caleb Downs, Mai Lemon, Carnell Tate, Francis, Maui Noah, Jordan, Tyson, Ruben Bane are the top 10.
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A
Wow. You have Lemon that high.
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B
I love Lemon.
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A
Oh, my God. All right, so that's why you didn't say anything in reference to my Tyson point. All right, I'll have to adjust.
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B
Is the top SEC prospect, and he's at 12. And then Jermad McCoy, another cornerback from Tennessee, is at 17.
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A
So that's two in your top 20, I think so. That's wild. Yeah. Now, look, it's just. It's going to make me sound like I was. You could also make the point. It's like, okay, well, it's this guy. I'm just saying. I think the interesting thing is going to be if this ends up happening, they'll probably be four or five that go in the top 20. Because I'm starting to see, like more guys back end it and some of the other stuff that I'm looking at. But there was. There was a stretch there for about a month where I was looking at everybody's different mocks, and I was like, five SEC players in the first round. Six. That's like. That's it.
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B
Yeah. This could be the worst SEC year in like a decade. Or maybe more.
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A
Yeah, right. Because then that will pivot into not just the results on the field. Look at this talent drain. Also conveniently forgetting, like, what the 27 draft looks like it's going to be, but it would have to be much like the results in the field, a continuing trend for this to become like, I'm just basically telling the audience and along with you, like, get ready for April. Because if that happens, like, Big Ten fans are just going to be like, oh, here we go. And there you go.
- [56:49]
B
The Big Ten's cut into it the last couple years, but it's still been like, significant. The difference.
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A
Yeah.
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B
I don't have the numbers in front of me, but they. It was obviously the big.
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A
During the peak. It was ridiculous. It was like two to one, like, whoever.
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D
Yeah.
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A
Drafted players. It would be like, oh, 23 from this conference and it'd be like, oh, 46 from the SEC. So granted, with the expansion of the conferences in general, like, the numbers can still be pretty ridiculous for both the Big Ten and the sec. But I just think that's going to be a thing that comes up that also. I don't know if it'll mean, oh, well, look at the results. Here's the issue.
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B
Yeah. When you start stacking three straight national champions and then. And then for the first time ever, and since it's been a thing, the Big Ten has significantly more or like higher level draft picks, that argument that the SEC is the best conference, it becomes a lot trickier, a lot more complicated. You know, And I'm the leader of like the SEC because I've been doing this 25 years and it's always been the SEC's more talent. Even in a year where they maybe didn't win the national championship. Like, yeah, but like.
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C
Right.
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A
I didn't think they had 25 straight national championships. Like, I don't know that that was ever the standard. We're agreeing. I'm just. I'm adding to it.
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C
Yeah.
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D
Yeah.
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B
This is, this is concerning. If you're an SEC fan, there's no question.
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A
I just wanted to plant that seed with you. I brought up with Daniel Jeremiah as well. So. Look, thank you so much for the time. Make sure you check out. What do you got going on out there?
- [58:26]
B
You're never. You never go anywhere without. Without stuff going on. I'm not. You think I wasn't going to start asking some questions at the end?
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A
You.
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B
You get to interview me now I get to interview you a little bit.
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A
The NBA trade deadline has killed your boy. The last Few years. So normally I'm just in a room for, like, the NBA trade deadlines. 3:00 clock Eastern Time on Thursday.
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C
Yeah.
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B
It feels like the same whining that was going on on day three of the draft out in Manhattan beach. And you're like, oh, I've got playoff basketball. And, like, enjoy your. Like, take advantage.
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A
You're there.
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B
I'm sure you have all these marketing things lined up. I'm sure you're going to four parties a night.
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A
I'm not going to a ton of parties. Somebody was asking me, like, what do you got lined up? I'm going to the Warriors Tuesday. I may have one popping party thing, but if it's the night before the trade deadline, it's not going to be like the old south beach days, you know?
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B
So is this a new thing with, like. Like, cowherd? You would always have, like, someone who wasn't on the show but, like, in the room. Is that. I don't know if people can see. I'm sure you guys complain about you.
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E
Yeah.
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A
When you complain about my whining nephew. Kyle and Ceruti, like, were holding back hard laughter because they like seeing you give me the business in a way that not that many people do. So they appreciated that. Yeah. Giving me the what for.
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B
I think that that's. That's part of my role in this whole thing. And I promise you, I don't care. I don't care how many people yell at me or what happens. I'm still coming to your house on the third day of the NFL draft, and I'm bringing a camera crew with me. And I know that's not, like, what people want to hear, and I'm sure there are executives on both sides that don't want to hear that, but there will still be. There will still be a problem there. In the third day, I did.
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A
I did have a tough one with that because I agreed to it because you're my guy. I was like, whatever you want if you want to come to the house. And you were like, this is what we're doing. We're coming to your house. The whole setup, cameras. And then Ceruti was like, why did you agree to this? And I go, well, because McShay's my guy. And you're like, idiot, It's NBA playoffs. And I went, oh. I'm like, that's good for you. That's. It's good for you.
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B
It's good for you to realize that you can kind of manage all these things at once.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. No, it's you. You are good for me. So, Ceruti, when you hear him complaining.
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B
That it's the trade deadline and he doesn't want to go to some party, or is he turning down this opportunity that's affecting you now, you can remind him that we had this conversation.
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A
Hey, look, I. You know, I'm gonna. You know, I'm gonna come around the old chicken coop somehow. There'll be some.
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B
I know you do.
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A
There'll be some little thing lined up.
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B
You'll be calling me on Monday with some story about some agent or some prospect or something. I'm certain of it.
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A
All right. Well, I'll try to. I'll try to deliver you another story like I always could. You're the man again. Check out the McShay report. Please subscribe to my guy's stuff and download. Subscribe his show, the McShay show on Ringer Spotify. Thanks, man.
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B
All right, brother.
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A
This is exciting. It's great to catch up with the hall of Famer, Steve Young. It's a home game for him for super bowl week.
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C
Yes.
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A
I always. It's been a while since I've seen you. And whenever I think about you, I always think about Greenwich.
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C
Greenwich roots.
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A
Right. Because I'm going to give my life. Yeah. But I've got some Greenwich ties. And the reason I always think about Greenwich with you, not just because you were a quarterback there and you were terrific, but it's that. Although I guess some of the stats you've argued in the past, you were more of a one threat, running quarterback.
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C
My brothers played right after me. They have all. They had all the school records. Like, they're like, who's my older brother? Socks.
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A
But there was a. Well, he's still a friend. His name's Rob Slocum and he's from Greenwich. He played at Greenwich.
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D
Yeah.
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A
All right.
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C
And Greenwich football, tougher than people realize.
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A
That's what we're talking about. It's not just Brunswick kids down there in the Fairfield County. There's.
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B
There's.
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A
There's hardy, you know, blue collar, Greenwich collar, tough guys. So we were in 1994. I remember we were watching a game, you were playing in it, and we were betting on, like, every play. Hey, run pass. First down. Not a first down. You know, it'd just be like two bucks, third and seven. Somebody in the room would just go, I got two bucks on a first down. And so you guys.
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C
Before your time, by the way, right?
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A
Yeah, we were doing prop bets before it really taken off.
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C
Were you going to highlight as well.
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A
No, unfortunately, the front dawn for that. We have a little cold up in Vermont. Yeah, that's right. Connecticut had big highlight stuff. That's right. I forgot about that. So one of the guys, Rob, goes, five bucks, Frank Gifford says, greenwich. And I go, come on. I'm like, that's ridiculous. Like, you don't even want odds every time, right? And so I'm like, done. And, like, guys are just throwing fives on the table. And then Frank Gifford's like, steve Young, Greenwich High School.
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C
And we're like, he lived in Greenwich.
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A
And he goes, frank Gifford says it every time Steve Young plays. And he killed us. He won a huge pot off of that.
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C
Yeah. And I had. And all my friends, when they'd go, you know, back to New York offices or. But, you know, anytime they're around New York, I mean, the league people, they'd all say they're from Greenwich. And they're like, steve, how come you know, everybody in the NFL office? Because that's where I grew up. And they go, I thought, are you rich? You know, I'm like, well, no, not really. And then they started learning about Greenwich. Like, oh, you lie in bastards. You. You are rich. And I'm like, no, no. I barely. There's mean streets of Greenwich. I barely got out. I kept saying that. Like, it's like I fought my way out of Greenwich, barely got out. And people would laugh about it, but, you know, Greenwich has its own image, that's for sure.
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A
Yeah, well, look, when I introduce myself and tell people from Martha's Vineyard, it's a slightly more of a challenge. Fight your way out of there, neighbor.
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C
So he's like, barely made it.
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A
Yeah, I was reading. I think in the time. I mean, it's been such a long time since I talked to you. I read the USFL book that Jeff Perlman did great.
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C
He did a great job.
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A
It is.
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C
He captured it.
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A
It's incredible.
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C
It's nuts. It's nuts.
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A
Every chapter, you can't believe. Go ahead.
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C
But the football.
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B
Yeah, because I.
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C
You know, look, I can. I can say I played college big, you know, not BYU's, not big time college, but I played solid college football. I played in usfl, and then I played in the NFL. So I can have context. USFL football, very good football. In fact, it was better football than when I went to the Buccaneers. So then people don't realize UFO was a joke. It was real and it was set. They had. They had 50,000 people at games in Tampa, 50,000 in Jacksonville. Like, there Was a. The league was going to make it, and then we just. They screwed it up. But it was a. It was all that for a couple years. The league was. The NFL was like, ooh, what are we going to do here? And then it just collapsed.
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A
And I think part of the lesson in that too, is that you get guys with money or some without money. With the LA Express, you could just see it happening. Human nature was kicking in. It's like we had all these guardrails set up in the early years of the usfl. Let's not overextend ourselves financially, but let's.
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C
Not go to the fall. Let's stay in the spring. Like, that was the big thing that killed all problem.
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A
And. But you could just tell, like, all right, wait a minute, I can go sign this guy for this. And so what. What went into your decision? And I know you've talked about. I just love your kind of background because you get to BYU and it's like, oh, everybody doubts me. Then you get to the USFL and it's like, well, I understand the contract part of it, instead of being in your 20s and getting paid that kind of money, or at least guaranteed on paper. But like, that's. That's going to be something about you that you wanted to do something different.
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C
So Sam Weiss, the head coach, the Cincinnati Bengals, came out to byu. They had the first draft pick. We're going to take you. And I'm like, I'm not offended by that. That's amazing, right? But the truth of the matter is then Don Klosterman, who had run the Rams for many years and very famously ran the.
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A
Ran the.
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C
The Rams. And John Hadle, who was a quarterback for the San Diego Chargers for many years, and Sid Gilman, who had coached the charges, really kind of the forward the. At the time, he was about 80 years old, but he was kind of the guru of the forward pass in the league. And I was like, so all those. So all pro quarterbacks. Guy ran the Rams, live in Manhattan beach. And then they draft, they said, we signed Gary Zimmerman, who was the All American tackle at Oregon, who ended up in the Pro Football hall of Fame. And there was like, young guys we had. Everyone was 22, 23 years old, and they're all great players. And so I was like, I can go to Cincinnati and I don't know how that's going to play out or I could go to this situation. So it's like I jumped at it. Reggie White and I talked about it at length because he went too. And we were buddies out of some of the All Star Games. And we both. He went to the Memphis Showboats and I went to LA Express, and we just felt like we wanted to go play good football, but wanted to play, like, exciting and places that resonated with us and not get stuck. And then we all said, well, and then if something goes haywire, we'll come out as free agents in the NFL. And that was a great plan until the NFL Players association screwed us all and created a new. They allowed. Because they could have said, no, these guys are coming in as free agents. They allowed a supplemental draft, and that's how I ended up the first draft pick at Tampa Bay. And that was not part of the plan. That was not like the. But we were.
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A
They weren't going to look out for.
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C
It was at a time when, like, Herschel Walker went to usfl, like the USFL was an option. And because it was presented to me in a way that really. I learned to play quarterback at the LA Express. Sid Gilman taught me how to play quarterback. He prepared me for Bill Walsh. He prepared me for the pro game. And I'm grateful for that. And so, I mean, I don't know if I would have gone to Cincinnati. I don't know what would have happened. Boomer Sison was super mad at me because then he ended up going in the second round there. And now he's never forgiven me because he said that was the Bermuda Triangle of the NFL there.
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E
The Jets.
- [67:59]
C
And where did he end? They go? Houston, I don't know. So Boomer's very upset with me, but I don't regret that decision. It was a mess. At the end. We were practicing and a news helicopter came down and landed on the field and came running out there. USFL is folded. How do you feel? We're, like, practicing. Oh, I don't know how to. It's like, it was a crazy time.
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A
Didn't the first owner falsify all of his financials? And then he got replaced with the next owner who did the.
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C
No, the league took it over. So the first owner. I missed the. Well, maybe that was. Maybe I ran the second owner. But the second owner, yeah, was in jail maybe within a year or two. Bill Oldenburg. But when he was recruiting me on his private jet with his. It was one of those cloud. One of those Rolls Royce, like, blue cloud with a phantom cloud, like, rolling into the city. He was in San Francisco, first time I've ever been there. Off his private jet, into this thing. Go to the Transamerica Building, the top floor. And they're like, hey, Steve Young. And, like, his birthday. And then my dad, who's a lawyer, said, I want to read the contract. So Lee Steinberg's back in the room. Bullenberg's getting more and more upset because it's his birthday. He wants to go. He wants to get things signed. And my dad's like, I'm sorry, paragraph four.
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A
Yeah. He wanted to, like, go out and party.
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C
And then he's like, so it went later. And then he got so. And I'm just sitting there like, I don't know. He walks in and takes a roll of hundreds that was, like, as big as you could hold and goes, if you want more effing money, if this is what you want, here's your. Throws it at me.
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A
Boom.
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C
And then walks out the door. And I'm like, that's more money I've ever seen in my life. You know, Like, I just picked it up and waited. Then they ended up escorting us out of the building. We didn't sign it. We did it a few weeks later. But that's the kind of thing. It was like stories that you just.
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A
But it was a complicated deal. I mean, I was looking at it again. It was, what, mid-80s, 10 years? 40 million. So it was an annuity, but the value wasn't the total value at that point. The largest. You were the highest. Well, supposedly compensated athlete in America.
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C
And the annuity was going to pay $42 million over the next 40 years, essentially. And so what they did is they said, well, Steve Young's a 42 million, and I think Wayne Gretzky was making four, and Magic Johnson was making four and a half. So it was like this insane headline, right? And so I was like. I remember thinking to myself, I can't. There's no. What are you. You guys are ruining my life, like, because 40. So we're playing. We played one of the early Games in Washington, D.C. and my folks drove down from Greenwich, first pro game to ever see.
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B
They're in the.
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C
They're in there watching it. It's bad weather. I try to throw the ball, and it falls out of my hand. And somehow it's slipped and returns for a touchdown. And you Hear the chant, 40 million down the drain. 40 million. And, like, became a chant. And my dad tells a story. My mom's, like, beside herself, and she finally turns up when a drunk guy's right around her. She goes, you can't say that. It's an annuity. He's not worth $40 million. It's an annuity. One of the great lines of all time from my mom.
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A
That's unbelievable.
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C
You can't. Boom. It's an annuity, you know, it's not. It's not 40 million.
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A
Did she ever say that you were her son out there?
- [71:21]
C
That's why I think she started. That's my son. Right.
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A
And it's an instant annuity that my.
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B
Dad'S like, trying to get away.
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A
Like, oh, my God.
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C
But it was just. It was a funny time. Crazy time. Crazy time.
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A
That's so good.
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C
I mean, it was world news. I get Japan. People lived in Japan. People in the. All over Asia and Europe. They sent me a headline, Steve Young, highest paid athlete in the history of Sports. You're like, how did I get here? This is insane. I did like Manhattan beach, though.
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A
I can see that. So the supplemental draft that you talked about with all that. And by the way, you know, three of the first four picks all end up in the hall of Fame. So it's you, it's Zimmerman, and it's Reggie. And then Rozier was the second pick. So he didn't.
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C
Yeah, well, Reggie was all that.
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A
Yeah.
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C
And so was Gary. Gary Zimmerman. People don't know that name, but he played tackle for 20 years and he. No one touched anybody. I mean, he was amazing. And so it is interesting that the three of the first four ended up in the Pro Football hall of Fame. And I think that's a. It's a testament to the entrepreneurship of what they try to do in the usfl. And they just couldn't, like you said, they couldn't just stay the course. No, they just needed to just chill and anyway, and I think we all. I'm telling you, the football I played for the Express got me ready to play better pro football.
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A
But did it get you ready for what you were going to have to deal with in Tampa because you go there.
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C
No, but look, everyone alive who tries to play pro football as a quarterback, you're not going to be able to show who you are unless you get a lot of help. I don't name a person that's one of the all time, all the greats, they had help because football's that way. And so if you run into a situation, it doesn't mean you can't flourish. But if you're going to be like, you're going to run the table in football, you need help. And Tampa was just, you know, look, there were. We lost a lot of games that season I played. We were 2 and 14. But the team was not full of losers. I mean, James Wilder and Jimmy Giles and, like, there's guys, when I'm young now, right? This is. I'm. And I'm watching these grizzled athletes. These guys are. I respected the warriorship of their life, like. And they were spending their whole careers there just losing and losing. I was like, dude, we're losing games. But these dudes are not losers. And that's the thing about the NFL. A lot of guys are stuck in places that they can't flourish and they're not known, even though they are amazing football players. And that's the truth about the NFL, and that was the truth about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, because it was a place where you couldn't flourish because there wasn't a culture of accountability. There was not a culture of. There was a culture of mitigation. In other words, crap happens every week and everyone had an excuse and nobody would own it. And in that environment, when you just do it for years, you can't get out from under it. And I was there for one full season, and I remember calling my dad. I was like, dad, I don't know, maybe I just go to law school. Like, it was that. It was not. It was tough. But I honor the guys that played there for many years, not losers in my mind.
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A
Do you think then, because the trade happens before the 87 draft to San Francisco, and I kind of wanted to. I'm going to make this a quicker question than. There's like, a deeper question after the fact, but if Testaverde is not available in 87 as the number one overall pick, like, do you think there's enough other moving pieces to get you out of there?
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C
Or at least remember, I finished that season, that full season. I played Lehman, Bennett was fired, and Ray Perkins came in, and Ray Perkins. And so I'm in mini camps in the off season. He's now the coach. We come together maybe in March or April, I can't remember. And he lists everyone's weight that he wanted everyone to show up with in the summertime. And I'm. And he just made a name and then a number. And he goes, young, 195. You know, I'm like.
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B
Like, I'm.
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C
I was 95, long time ago. Like, so then I, you know, Mr. Res, like, coach, and I say hello to you, you know, Steve young, you said 195. And I'm like. I said something. And he goes. And he just cursed me out. And he just said, you know what? I Don't really care what you think. I hate lefties. I hate scramblers. I hate people that run. I mean, you know, and I'm like, oh, this is.
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D
This is.
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C
This is great. This is going to go really well. And then, you know, and then we had the first pick, and Vinnie was up, and so I was like, maybe I. Maybe I can get out. Maybe he, you know, and that's how it all happened. Got traded to the St. Louis Cardinals, and Ray Perkins called me and said, sorry, we created the Cardinals. Hung up. I called the owner, who I'd made a friend. He's my friend, and not many people who are his friend, by the way, Hugh Colbras. And I said, Mr. Colbras, you told me this season I was your quarterback for life. You really loved my game, blah, blah, blah. And he goes, I did say that, but we have a new coach, and. But you can't send me the same. You can't do that. Like, come on. He goes, okay, I'll fix it. He calls back, nixes the trade, and calls me back and said, look, you have a week. Find a place that makes sense for you. And that's how it all went. Next minute, I had Bill Walsh calling me, telling me, I love lefties. I think my west coast offense is built for people who can run and move around. And Joe Montana just went through his second back surgery, and I don't know how much more dread he's got. And look, I didn't think, oh, I'm glad he's hurt. Or like, no, I had nothing. But, I mean, Joe Montana was a king. But that's the way it was presented to me. And so I'm like, you know, no one ever told me that they love lefties. No one ever told me they love scrambling. Because at the time, a guy that run around was a scrambler, like, you were an honor.
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A
Something's wrong.
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C
Well, he's not really. He's not a real quarterback. So I spent the next 16 years trying to play to a level of efficiency in the quarterback position to really run away from being slurred, you know what I mean? And so that's how it happened. And I ended up with Bill Walsh. Showed up. The next minicamp, I was in San Francisco. Now traded, I'm out warming up, and I'm thinking, I've never met Joe Montana. And I don't know, is he surgery, Is he here? And he comes jogging out, and I'm like, he didn't look hurt.
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B
He didn't look hurt.
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C
And I remember turning to Bill Walzer, I'm like, coach, you know, he looks pretty good. And Bill's like, you know, you know, we'll see how this goes and so on. Now you can watch the documentary that's out this week. You can now see that whole thing play out in real time.
- [77:53]
A
Because you sit for basically three years there, right?
- [77:56]
C
Well, the first year, Bill really pushed me. I played probably quarter of the season, maybe a little bit more.
- [78:01]
A
But it wasn't your job.
- [78:02]
C
No, no, no, no. I'm in the mix. And then, so that we were together six years on the same team, Joe and I. I played full time two, he played full time four. And it was all of that. It was just, you know.
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A
But prior. But prior to your success, like, this is the thing that I've wondered because, you know, again, I interviewed you a bunch, and sometimes I think about athletes and I'm thinking about your whole run, like the BYU thing. You get out there, but then you're doubted. You're playing defensive back, and. But then it works out okay, then it works out. So now I'm. I could be a top pick in the NFL. I'm going to go try this new thing with us, and it doesn't work out. Contractually, that doesn't work out.
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C
I mean, it's a thing.
- [78:41]
A
You get your ass kicked in Tampa, and really, you're not getting your first shot until, like, 30 years old. And again, the point that I want to make about athletes is that sometimes, like, the athletes I admire the most are the ones. And I don't want to make it sound like an intelligence thing or insulting, but, like, sometimes being too smart can have you thinking way too much about all of these things. And knowing how intelligent you are, I wonder if you. It worked out. So I can't second guess any stuff. I just. I bet you there was a lot of time where you were like, I just wish I could shut my brain off because I'm wondering at 30 if I'm ever going to have this and I'm ever going to have this.
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C
It got. I got in thick there at San Francisco because it was clearly the place where you wanted to play quarterback, right? If you want to see how good you can get, stay here. But then, here we are. Joe Montana now has won another super bowl and another mvp, and you're like, what am I doing? And the fact that it worked out is crazy. But the thoughts that went through, through the years, I mean, I would have lots of conversations with myself and people that are close to me, like, I can't we got to do something else. We got to figure it out. And so it did work out somehow, but it wasn't without you. Asked me if I got a point where overthinking it was really just watching the opportunity kind of just waned. Right. And so when I finally did play, it's like, I gotta go fast because I'm starting late. And I didn't mean to start late. It's just how it went. And so that's what I did for 10 years. I just tried to pedal as fast as I could because I knew that the tactical advantage that the west coast brought to the system in 1980, you know, Joe and I. And, you know, I think early on, even more so. But it was like, it was until Mike Holmgren went to Green Bay and took it from Bill, and Mike Shannon took it into Denver. It really was. We were the ones that were running it, and no one else knew exactly how to deal with it. And in that way, it was like, if you want to play quarterback, you want to play here. So it was like. Like, I. I definitely overthought it. I definitely was in a bind. There was all. Honestly, I don't even want to go back through it all because it was a.
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B
We don't have.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Like, even myself, I'm like, the ride was. Was so uneven that, like, I'm just, like. The fact that it worked out is, like. Because you could. I mean, if it doesn't work out, you can see why, right? It's like, man, what a mess. Yeah, that whole thing was like, you can say the usfl, the Tampa Bay, like, you can name Joe. Like, it's just a. It's a big thing. And so I'm just. I'm grateful I got some clean years ago. Make hay.
- [81:16]
A
So the reason I wanted, I just like talking with guys about the careers and just telling stories and stuff. But, like, I wonder if you have a. An extra level of appreciation for Sam Darnold.
- [81:28]
C
Oh, absolutely.
- [81:29]
A
Because of this.
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C
I kind of make a study of it, to be honest with you, because I watched when Bill Walsh gave everything he knew at the height of his career to Mike Holmgren and to Mike Shanahan. And then on the way out, said, I'll see you in the championship game. Think about what he's saying. He's like, you're going to take this and I'm going to see you and you're going to come back and compete against me. Later in his life, I asked Bill, what were you. I mean, are you nuts? He goes no, because I knew that I had an advantage. But how am I going to sharpen my saw if I don't have people come back and, like, I don't just want to abuse the system. I want people to come back and make me better. Think about what that's saying, about who he was. And because of that, Bill was somebody that created an environment that every coach now felt the need to share. And so now you think about the league today. Who's the first person that Mike Holmgren hired in Green Bay? The guy he met at byu, Andy Reid. So now Andy Reid's in Green Bay, and what does Mike do? Here's everything. So Andy Reid goes to Philly, who follow the tree through andy Reid, Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, and in many ways, Sean Payton. I know Sean didn't touch it, but Sean Payton told me a story about spending a summer with Bill Walsh that now I understand why Sean Payton's Sean Payton. So if you took those trees of those guys and how they've given it away through the generations, now look at the hires in the last three or four years in the NFL. Anyone who wants to be in the super bowl is hiring from that tree. There are still stubborn people that refuse to do it. But now I look at Sam is like, he was a place that didn't have that right. He started in New York when it was a mess. He went to Carolina, it was a mess. And I say a mess because it's not built for today's quarterback. And the innovative minds of Sean McVay, Shaw, Kyle Shanahan, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, they're the ones that stepped into the innovation of the rule changes for defenders to make it game safer. And now all of a sudden, there's this opportunity, this offensive opportunity that Tom Brady explained to me the best when I talked to him in 22, when he's in Tampa, I said, tom, what's changed over the years with the rule change? He goes, it's dramatic. The flats are always open. The middle of the field is unpatrolled where there used to be. You go in the middle of the field, you get yourself killed, right? Because everyone's just dive bombing at you and no one can hit me. Overstatement, but you get the idea. And so the game would change. And so these innovative guys show up, and if you can get to one of them, you can find out how good you can get. What do you think Liam Cohen, all of a sudden, like Trevor Lawrence is. What happened to Trevor Lawrence this year, man, it's A resurrection. How did this happen? Trace Liam Cohen, name him like. And so Sam Darnold's now, you know, with Clint Kubiak, Gary and Mike Shannon. Like, it's all in the family because they've all handed it down. It's all been innovated from. I'm not saying it's the same west coast, but it's all rooted in the same kind of spirit of offensive. Make the, make the, make the position as easy as possible, make it as hard in the defense as possible and understand quarterback position. So Sam, you asked me a long answer to a short question. I apologize. But how do I feel about Sam? Is that he got to a place of innovation in Minnesota. He got to San Francisco first but didn't start. Goes to Minnesota. How'd it go? He did pretty well. Well, what's the difference? Well, now you're with people who understand the position, who are innovating into the new rules, then understand how to make the court of acquisition easier but more profitable. And then he gets kicked out, which that's a whole other issue. Minnesota like, you insane. And what happens? Seahawks go, look, we know who. We've seen this thing. We know this story that Steve's telling and we're going to. We want you. And then Sam wins 14 game. Now he's going to win the Super Bowl, I think and sounds like a lean.
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A
That sounds like a lean.
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C
I mean, how can you know if he plays? Because no, no, the Seahawks are all of that. If Sam doesn't turn it over, right? How do you. That running game if Sam doesn't turn over, I don't know how you beat him. And in that way. Now Sam Darnold is a Super bowl winning quarterback. He's already changed the narrative with the last couple playoff wins. But how does Sam do it? How does Trevor Lawrence turn in in a year? How does Matthew Stafford toil with a lot of success in Detroit despite it all comes to Sean McVeigh and it's like to the moon hall of Fame play. Why? Oh, because Matthew Stafford went to a different chiropractor. Like, no, he found the support around him. He went to the mountain, Moses, the Sinai. He found out where it was and so now he can do it. And you know, Jimmy Garoppolo gets a taste of it and what does he do? Go to the Super Bowl. Now he can't get a job. People are like, why do people ask the question, why is that?
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A
You know what I mean?
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C
Like, makes no sense until you understand what happened in the league. And now The NFL is. And you might think I'm overstating it, but it is Bill Walsh's league. It's the Bill Walsh league. It is run by the Bill Walsh tree. And anyone who tries to fight that, which still people do, they pay for it. It's like you break yourself against the rocks of the fruit of the Bill Walsh tree in this league today, early on.
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A
And I, I think about it like, as a kid, like some of those throws, right. And would be Joe and then it would be you.
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C
But, like, it looked too easy, right?
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A
Yeah. And it made you think, like, why would I hand it off in the middle of my center and my guard? Like, when I. If Roger Craig is just over there and the corner is not him and a linebacker can't chase it. It did feel unfair on some.
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C
Started with a philosophy that we're doing it. If we had a. If we added a timing element to the passing game, we could pass the ball with as much efficiency. That made it almost as risk free as a run.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Where the passing game in the past was like, risky, risky. Don't do it. Don't do it unless you have to run the ball. Now it's like, no, no. Our passing game is our running game. And that was the philosophical change that is still in the game today that people don't completely understand 30, 40 years later. And it's like, I watch the innovation of some teams and some offensive coordinators today, and I'm like, oh, my gosh, they're still running stuff from 2010. And it's like, dude, it doesn't work. Those days are over. Do you not see what, like, who's in the Super Bowl? Like, track it. How can you not see the success of Andy? Like, you don't think Andy. Andy reads, I don't know, just super special. I don't know why. It's because he keeps reinventing himself. Like Bill told everyone, give it away and then sharpen your saw back. Because you got to innovate. You got to rediscover yourself every couple of years. Kyle Shanahan, he had a tackle advantage for five or six, seven years. Everyone caught up because all his coaches went out there. Now Bill Walsh, what am I doing next if I'm such an innovative mind? Then he takes a team that's got decimated with injuries, gets 12 wins out of him. Brock Purdy plays a little while. Mac Jones plays a little while. How'd he do? Well, I thought Mac Jones was ruined.
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A
Right. That's the best he's.
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C
Now it's Like, Mac Jones is going to start maybe for Minnesota because, like, hey, I've seen this. I am not going outside of the family ever again. Do not. I'm not. And that's what people understand it, which not everybody does. It's so obvious to me. And, and these last coaching changes this last week, and you watch people hire people that are not in that. The fruit of that tree, and you're like, what? Doesn't mean they can't be great, but it's just not going to. You're not going to get, like, just making it harder. Mike LaFleur, like, people. Some people get it and they're just going to. It doesn't mean everyone's great, but they're going to. I'm going to that. Well, because I know that's where Super Bowls are. I know that's where a quarterback, if quarterback's the most important job in sports, I want someone who really understands it and how to make them thrive.
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A
When you watch Drake May this year, what was the first thing where you realized, like, okay, you know, a younger guy. Like, I'm sure as a younger. You're looking at younger quarterbacks. Efficiency, okay?
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C
You see it in the efficiency. It's a guile. It's a smart. You can't play good quarterback unless you get the game in a way that doesn't. You don't. You're not overdoing it. You're not trying to prove anything. You get the game in a way. It's like, ball's coming out, I'm going to put it in position. I'm going to put in people's hands that are way more talented than me, and I'm going to do it smart. And then if I have a problem, I'm going to run around and make Tom Brady told you, flats are open, middle of the field's unpatrolled. And I can go get yards with my legs that were never there before. You can spit out 50, 60 yards a game, just extra first downs, a touchdown here or there. And now all of a sudden, you can play pretty good football by being. Just understand what the game is today. And I think Drake's come in and done a tremendous job of just balls coming out if I have a smart place to be at. Otherwise, I'll go get the yards myself. And you know what I like about.
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A
Him is that I think all the smart, the efficient stuff is there for him. But then when it's like, you want me to show you, like three or four throws that you also have, that's.
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C
What it allows you when you do, when you. It's like Patrick Mahomes early Superman. You can't just be Superman. And he realized, like, he. Remember when we ran in. When he played Tampa in the super.
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A
Bowl, and it was like, well, the tackles didn't help.
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C
I know, but he was up. But it was the Superman mentality that led us to. And it's like, okay, look, I got to go back and play efficient football. And that's what he did. He went back to school. I'm going to play efficient football. And now when I need to be Superman, I'm ready, and I don't have to do it every play. And that's why Josh Allen, for years I've been begging Bills, you've got to create an environment where he can be Superman some of the time, not all the time. And they're getting closer. Three years ago, I was like, come on, man. This guy, he's dragging you guys to the playoffs and the Super Bowl. Last couple years, they realized, let's get a running game, let's get some linemen, let's get a receiver core, let's get someone understands how to call plays. And it's gotten better, but it's still not there. They have not San Diego. San Diego. The Chargers. Think about what happened. They're a good meat and potatoes team. They get to the playoffs, and then they get blown out because Justin Herbert is not given that support. So what do they do? They finally realize Mike McDaniel gets fired from the dolphins. Oh, Mike McDaniel. Grab that guy. Remember the fruit. That dude is a direct descendant. Like, he's the bloodline. And, you know, you've watched him. He's a little quirky, but, you know, he knows how to put plays together. He knows. You watch. Justin Herbert will be all Pro. He'll be up for the MVP next year. And you'll go, and everyone will go, what. What happened?
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A
Now, you know, I like that that's. We got more than just super bowl content here. I want to just ask you on the way out, because I know this is a huge week, but you. We were talking about it a little bit before, what you're doing with Sutter.
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C
I appreciate you hearing me out. Like, no one lets me talk like this. My. My kids don't care. My. My wife hates football. Like, this is like, I have.
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A
I have a few friends that I'm like, does your wife not listen to you? I can tell. I didn't think that. I didn't. Was. I wasn't getting any of that from.
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C
Yeah, no, but I mean, this is my therapy. So in fact, I apologize for droning on. You're like, steve, shut up.
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A
I'll get a cell phone number to you after this.
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C
But Sutter health. So I started coaching my girls in high school. California allowed girls flag football in high school three years ago. And the first game we played, four elderly women are up on the stands. My wife sees them and says, hey, who are you here to watch? You're girl granddaughter? No. We grew up in the area. We all grew up in the 50s. We all dreamed. We loved football. We always dreamed we could play and we never could. And we heard girls were playing it and we came to check it out. So girls have been held from the game for 100 years. The game at its core is made for them teaching the girls football detail, timing, tactics. When I told them that you could run a play and put a, a linebacker in, they couldn't be right. No matter what they do, we're going to burn them. They're like a light went on and they just, they took to the game. Snap counts on two, on six, like the detail of the game. I'm like, wait a second. Boys, men, I've been doing this for a long time. It takes a while. Girls, boom. So Sutter came to me and said, look, we're a healthcare group that wants to quit focusing on break fix. Like, oh, I get sick, I can make you better. What if we did prevention? What if we actually put money behind prevention and for kids? And so one of the first things I said, look, what I love is girls playing flag. You want to jump behind that. But in general, healthy kids getting away from their phones and getting out on the field. And so that's what we're doing. We had our first girls flag camp on Saturday. A couple hundred girls and just from places that don't play flag at high school. So we're just. I appreciate, because I'm one guy, they have the power to do this in the whole Bay Area, in Northern California and really and beyond. So I told them I'd come on and talk about, you can see his therapy for me. So it was easy. But I did do it in the name of what Sutter Health is trying to do in prevention. I think if healthcare can start to talk about prevention rather than break fix, we're going to be a lot better off. And so that's. I'm in and I'm especially in for the girls flag stuff.
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A
Well, update us on what you're doing. Let's have you on at the start of the season next year again.
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D
Right.
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C
And let's watch Justin Herbert, because I already told you, I predicted that. Let's watch the Seahawks this weekend. And I already predicted that.
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A
Yeah.
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C
Let's see if what I'm saying is right, because I know. I know I'm not perfectly right, but I'm directionally right.
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A
I love talking ball with you, man. This is great to catch up.
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C
Yeah. I apologize for everyone out there.
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B
Like, man, that guy can talk.
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A
That's what we have. Yeah. That's what you're here to do.
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C
Shut them up, bro.
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A
A home game for the hall of Famer Canes, don't forget. That's right.
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C
I drive a long way for Canes.
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B
For my kids, man.
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A
We'll get you some gift cards on the way out. Thanks, Steve. You want details?
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C
Fine.
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A
I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up?
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D
I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.
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B
I have every toy you can possibly imagine.
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A
And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required life advice. Live in San Francisco super bowl week in our Raising Canes DraftKings studio. It's great to see you guys. I don't know how long has it been since we've seen each other in person? Did we already cover this?
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E
Manhattan beach dude. One Coors Light.
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A
One Coors Light.
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D
That was right. Wow, man. Well, you made up for it last night, so I appreciate that.
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A
You did. I didn't expect that.
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E
Classy place.
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D
I did not.
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A
Took the boys to Mastro's last night. Wanda watched the end of OKC Denver, but the friendship was too strong to be charting any plays that night. You were laying the foundation for. Maybe not.
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E
Like, what are you boys doing? He's like, watching OKC Denver. How's that going? He's like, it's a big one.
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D
Yeah. Usually when that's said, it's like, that's a. I'm not doing anything that night. Which is fine. So when I saw you in the lobby and you're like, hey, I'm first off. I had just literally got off the plane. I took an Uber here. The first thing I see in the lobby is Ryan. Not. I didn't. I didn't even realize you'd called me before that. I was like, what's going on? I was completely disheveled. I knew Kyle.
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A
Tired.
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D
I was. I was. I still am. Didn't sleep much last night. What's up? But I knew I Knew where Kyle was. So I was like, I'll go check in on Kyle. Whatever. So seeing you as a total shock. And then, yeah, we ended up getting some food, some dinner. It was a good time. Kyle had, like, a seafood platter.
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A
It was.
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E
I had six oysters and four shrimp.
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D
Let's be honest, the shrimp were massive. Yes, they were great, too. You did ask the bartender if it was a seafood place a couple times, and she's like, well, we have seafood. I was alone, but is it a seafood place? She's like, well, we have seafood at the steakhouse.
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E
I was alone for far too long yesterday. I got into it way too early.
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A
I'll leave it at that.
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D
The best story, though, was on the way home when I don't even know how this came up. I'm going to share this because I.
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A
Feel like I could share it. Yeah, I don't care.
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D
Somehow you asked Kyle, like, if. If you thought Kyle could take him because, you know, Kyle's bigger than you.
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A
Yeah, Kyle's a big guy and he's got 20 years on me.
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D
I think I had said, like. I mean, you take, like, fighting classes, so. No. And then your line was, I think I'm dangerous.
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E
Yes.
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A
I think. Yeah. No, I know 100% that I said it. And I'd only had one drink, so I meant it. But, yeah, I think it was because we were walking around Mission. It was later at night. San Francisco is always a little. It can have some griminess to it. And so there was like a square scooter that went past this. Then there was another guy. And then there was a street sign that took it on the chin from. From somebody that was, like, wild. I don't remember this. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry.
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D
I didn't see it, but I heard it and it sounded like. Oh, yeah, it sounded like you almost took down a post.
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A
So then I love. I love. After guys have had a couple drinks, it's just like, hey, how do you think this would go down? Who would be more angry? And then, yeah, I fully admit, at 50, I shouldn't be thinking about these things. And then I said, the danger. Don't lose it, dude. Don't lose it. And so Rudy started dying laughing, which kind of made. Made my night. But the irony. The irony of last night in the full hang, which, you know, again, we've got another hang in us this week.
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D
Just one.
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A
Just one. Just one. Is that the one? Coors Light Night. Do you remember who was playing?
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D
Oh, was it okc? Denver? Yeah, actually, I do I know.
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A
OKC starting.
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D
Yeah.
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A
Start the season. It's a big, big game with Jokic being back. Although Denver is still. I mean, big win for okc. But I. I need to go back and watch that. I'm going to watch that game today.
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D
To get an IOU for Wargon. I guess you just pour one out. I guess you know what happened to that guy.
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A
Yeah. Good start. Good start though. All three of us. Not even planned, unprompted. Hey, where's Kyle? He's at the hotel bar. So Rudy, just. All right, throw your luggage away. I'm going. And then once the food came out, the drinks started flowing. It was like. I'm not worried. I'm not worried about. I'm not worried about this game tonight. Although it could have been an open type of game, depending. But with the trade deadline. Steve Young, McShay. We're good. We're good on today.
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B
All right.
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A
So the email address lifeadvicermail.com those chicken fingers just dominating the room right now.
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D
Smell great. Yeah.
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A
Spilled beer on a young girl at Spurs Magic. Oh, maybe Suri, you can help us with this one.
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D
Yeah, last night.
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A
These AI summaries are just hilarious. And what they suggest you say back. They don't really work for our show, but maybe potential sponsorship down the line if I go on vacation or something. All right. Hey, gentlemen. 61 2:30, no stats. I'm writing this from section 2:11 of the February 1st Spurs Magic game. I just spilled beer on a 10 year old girl. Oh, that kind of young lady. Okay. Yeah, young. I'm in San Antonio for work and bought $25 nosebleeds by myself an hour before the game. It's Sesame street night, so there is an atypical amount of kids at this game. After watching the first quarter my seat, I spent the next hour wandering the stadium eating fried food again. 2:30, no gym stats. Returned to my seat with a full beer and about four minutes left in the third quarter. In my absence, a group of guys next to me had spread their personal effects onto the seats next to me. So as I was sitting down, I was gesturing to them that I didn't mind their stuff being next to my seat. As I did that, I spent spilled a splash of beer onto a 10 year old girl sitting in the row in front of me.
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E
You don't even have any backup. You're by yourself. No one can even vouch for your character.
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A
A splash though.
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D
All right, that could be a wide range.
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A
I love that he goes here in political Science. There's a thought experiment called the Prisoner's Dilemma. Two prisoners are interrogated separately facing varying prison sentence depending on whether they stay loyal to each other or confess, leading to a situation where individual rational choices result in them both betraying the other and going to prison when silence would have let them both walk free. Free. By the way, Wire great scene where they have one of the suspects in the interrogation room and then another suspect is walking by with a full bag of McDonald's or Burger King. And then he's actually saying like I still ain't gonna tell you guys shit and he's eating his fries and the guys on the inside are like, he's selling you out right now. They just got a bunch. Incredible scene from one of the great show of all time. All right, so it basically seeks to explain why people in complex systems struggle to work together. I say this one because Cerutty was a poli sci major shout out. And two because I think it explains my actions. I basically pretended that I didn't just spill beer on the girl. Here's why. The group in front of me was five kids age 10 to 12. One chaperone, an older sister, 8, 20, 18 to 20 max. If I had spilled beer on an adult, or if I had spilled beer and a kid and they were with an adult, I would have been completely comfortable apologizing and maybe even explaining that I been trying to talk to another group of people while I was sitting down. And I'm sorry, I was distracted. But the young girl had started loudly telling all of her friends that she had gotten something spilled on her and I felt like the situation was at risk of going sideways. Large solo man pours beer on 10 year old girl the nosebleeds start to turn on me type vibes. The chaperone turned around and looked up at me and I studiously did not acknowledge. In another layer of awkwardness, I just checked her out and we made eye contact as I was walking to my seat not 30 seconds before. Tight white tank top. Okay, low cut. I basically stared straight ahead, ignored the situation until they all moved on in a minute or two. So here's the thing. On his possession, right? Yeah, right. Like if they're that young, they'll probably be distracted by something else. Here's the thing. I didn't handle the situation perfectly or even well, but I felt like if I'd opened the door to a prolonged dialogue, it risked going sideways totally. And that not acknowledging the situation was an impolite, if effective way to keep the situation moving without Larger confrontation. Does what I'm saying make any sense? Like, nobody ever wants to come out and be like, the way you spilled beer on a 10 year old. Really well done.
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D
Yeah, well played, sir.
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A
Yeah, but you put yourself in that spot.
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E
I think you do all the math that he's doing.
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A
I don't have any problem with this.
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E
You're not a fucking boy scout. But I mean, I can't say I wouldn't have tried to do exactly.
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A
I wouldn't have done the exact.
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E
I would have had all that thought in like a millisecond and be like.
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C
Like, this is what I'm doing.
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A
This is what I'm doing.
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E
Is that, is that a, is that horns? What are they running down there?
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D
Horns, Desmond Bane. He's shooting again. Dudes are also really good at just kind of just ignoring things. Right. It's like in our DNA. Just be like, oh, this thing happened or so I, I have to talk about this or my feelings, like, nah, just, just don't talk about it. So like that's maybe his like evolutionary thing kicked in and, and that's why it worked out so well. I think it was the right move.
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E
The stakes just get so high. Like you dudes will fight each other by accidentally spilling beer.
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D
Right.
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A
Regular.
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E
You throw a kid in there and it's like, you know, you just like add on charges.
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A
Yeah. The good thing is, you know, the 10 year old likely is not drunk, so they're not going to, they're not going to mess with you back. This is a smart guy. All right. This might be one of the smartest political science majors I've ever heard from.
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D
Wow.
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A
Yeah. So. So yeah, he thought all of these different things and he was, he was like, the size factor here doesn't really mean anything because again, we're talking about 10 year olds and his chaperone that.
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D
You just checked out.
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A
Do you think you wouldn't have apologized, Rudy?
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D
I would have definitely played dumb. As long as I could have to avoid the situation, I would have played, try to play it.
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A
Yeah.
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E
Once the jig is up, you have to be.
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D
Yeah. Then you're like, hey, sorry, if somebody like, if she like knocks on your shoulder, it's like, hey, like I just saw, like, what the heck? And I'd be like, oh, I'm sorry, my bad. Like, I had some stuff moving around. But like, if that would have been, like, I would have had to be confronted in the moment that you did this. And then, yeah, obviously you can't lie at that point. But if no One's around, no one's calling you out on it. Like, everyone just kind of looks the other way.
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E
It's a tough place to try to explain yourself, you know. Loud stadium.
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D
Yeah. Later in the game, things happen. Like, things move quickly. Like something else in the game happens. Like people's attention, like, kind of moves. So, like, if you don't acknowledge it, something else will happen that'll get people's attention.
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A
T shirt guns, though, are going up there.
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D
Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's fair. Although new ones. Who knows?
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A
Yeah, I was next to. I was courtside there for my little Utah visit, and I was right next to one of those guns.
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D
Those things are.
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That was way louder than I thought it was. I was like, they just don't hand those out to anybody. Like, when you watch somebody, they're not street legal. Bear, the quarterback at BYU was out there chucking T shirts. That kid looks like a defensive end. I can't believe he's a quarterback.
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D
Who was the. Remember the wnba? Was it Kelsey Plum?
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A
Remember, she had.
- [105:56]
D
There's that slow MO of her throne, and she just rips it into the second deck.
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A
That wasn't brave. Yeah, yeah. She fires it in there. All right. I guess that wasn't really life advice. I think he just wanted to share that with somebody.
- [106:09]
E
Well, I think we all think he did the right thing. And I, you know, I can understand why you'd be having second thoughts about that.
- [106:14]
A
I understand why he did what he did. I don't know that anybody wants to say, great move. That was the right. Like. Yeah, yeah.
- [106:21]
D
I think we all know it's fine. You know, try not to do it again.
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A
Kid's going to be fine.
- [106:25]
D
Yeah.
- [106:25]
A
Who knows? That kid might not even drink in high school.
- [106:27]
D
Imagine if the kid just made, like, a huge scene, though, and just starts, like, calling you out in front of everybody and point. I think sometimes kids got, you know, they'll do that. They get crazy, and it's like, hey, this guy just spilled beer on me. And then, man, all the whole floodgates open. You're screwed.
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A
Yeah, that's a tough one. There's also different cities, too, where I'd be like, the last thing I want is the nosebleeds against me here sense.
- [106:48]
D
Yeah. San Antonio feels safe for some reason.
- [106:52]
A
I don't know. I don't know. I've never been there.
- [106:54]
D
Boston. How's that go?
- [106:56]
A
Well, I don't know.
- [106:58]
D
The kid might punch you.
- [107:00]
A
Yeah, right. That. Yeah. I mean, that's the problem is, like, the parents but they're divorced. But they're there together, so there's already tension.
- [107:07]
D
Yeah, they wouldn't.
- [107:09]
A
If they were divorced, they wouldn't be there together, actually. All right. Pretty straightforward. Got a girl's number, she texts back. Not a big texter. Turned 38 in a few weeks. Been listening since spring of 14. Shout out to Roots. Nice. Five, nine.
- [107:23]
D
Don't like it, but okay.
- [107:25]
A
And a half. Five nine and a half. Sorry. And 180. No. Impressive gym stats, but I'm still hitting 20, 25 footers in the snowboard park and throwing down jib tricks. 2025 footers? Booters.
- [107:42]
D
What are we talking about?
- [107:43]
E
Is this skateboarding?
- [107:44]
A
I think it's snowboarding lingo. 20, 25 foot booters. All right, sure. That's what I was going to say. I just assumed every time foot footers wouldn't have made a ton of sense. So foot booters make a grinding thing. Yeah. Love me some strange folk. Wow, you guys won't get that reference. Shout out to Luke Smith. Shout out to Nick Collins.
- [108:03]
E
Sure don't know any of these words you're saying.
- [108:04]
A
Yeah, right. I'm at 38. I'm shocked. He's well, strange folk. I guess it makes sense. Anyway, it was a UVM band back in the day. After getting some sales calls out of the way on Friday, I headed up to spin a few laps at the ski resort that I work at part time as a snowboarding instructor. Heading up the gondola to get to the lifts, I get put in with some random people. The four of us don't know each other, but the conversation is flowing as everyone is stoked to shred on this beautiful day. It just so happens one of the girls has a pretty smile, a cute Midwest accent that sticks out on the West Coast. It's incredibly friendly and we appear to be around the same age. She's incredibly friendly, all right. As we leave the gondola, we're walking in the same direction. I ask her if she's by herself and if she wants to take a few runs. She agrees enthusiastically and I say, let's warm up with a green. Because despite her saying she rides blues, I've been fooled before. She stinks. But she's got an awesome instructor.
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D
Hell, yeah.
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A
I get her linking her turns and she's having a blast. During the time going up the chairlift, I think I mentioned she had a pretty smile about five times. That's a lot of times stoked.
- [109:12]
D
He's got one move. Hey, you got a nice smile. I know. You said that already.
- [109:16]
A
Four times. I asked if she had a boyfriend, which she said she didn't. So. I mean, look, there's a lot of people out there telling people they've got husbands, fiances, boyfriends, girlfriends that don't have any of them. Turns out we lived about 10 minutes away from each other. And after about 90 minutes of snowboarding, I get her phone number and say we should grab lunch or ride again, and texted her later that afternoon when I got home. Side note, been in a bit of a rut lately.
- [109:42]
C
Okay.
- [109:43]
A
Part of me is just stoked I was able to ask out a pretty girl in person and not on the apps. It's the small win here I'll take. Takes her a few hours to respond, but it's all positive. Thank you so much. I had so much fun crying, laughing, emojis to my bad jokes. I think that's probably a good thing.
- [109:59]
E
This is all trending in a good direction.
- [110:02]
A
I respond back much faster than she responds to me and then silent until Sunday afternoon. She apologizes for taking so long to respond, saying she was busy and not a big texter. And maybe we'll see each other on the mountain next time.
- [110:15]
E
Nope, it's over. Sorry.
- [110:17]
A
Damn it. Maybe we'll see each other on the mountain next time.
- [110:21]
E
Yeah, I thought this was going to be, like, she's an awesome girl and she's not going to text you all the time, which would be great.
- [110:27]
A
That would be awesome.
- [110:28]
E
It's not that.
- [110:29]
D
Yeah.
- [110:29]
E
Is there anything else?
- [110:30]
D
Do you know any girls that aren't, quote, unquote, a big texture? Like, everyone's a big texture.
- [110:33]
A
Everyone.
- [110:34]
D
Everyone texts that. It's not like that.
- [110:35]
E
You know, I've met a couple that.
- [110:36]
A
Were just really, like, on purpose. Girls.
- [110:39]
D
Yeah.
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A
I'm not a great texter.
- [110:41]
D
You're not a girl. Well, yeah, that's fair.
- [110:42]
A
But.
- [110:43]
D
Yeah, but you text. I don't know. That's the classic. Like, if you wanted to, you would, and that's you. And if she wanted to, she would.
- [110:51]
A
Yeah, but sometimes I get texts that it's. There's so much in it. I go, okay, I need to think about how I'm going to respond to this. And then it's not an insult, but then it feels insulting.
- [111:01]
D
You're talking to me like, I know, I know. That's fine. But we're. Have you done that with a girl before? Like, actually, this is too long. Like, I can't read this right now.
- [111:09]
A
Let me check in tomorrow. Topics I need to really. This could be a monologue. Let me. Let me get to the notepad here. The mountain line is brutal, man. So let's see. What do I do? Am I overthinking it and she's just not a good texter? No, the mountain thing is, I was. I was. I had hopes for anything being possible here, but maybe I'll see you next time in the mountains after a full day of nothing.
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E
Yes.
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A
Yeah.
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D
In your defense, though, but every other sign to this point was like, you were in. Like, she. She chose to solo hang out with you all day on. On the lift. She isn't good. You were instructing her. She laughed at your joke. She responded to the text, and then all of a sudden, it was just like, actually, no, I hope to see you out there, kid.
- [111:49]
A
It's like, well, the shoulder, I think. Let's just finish the rest of the email, because I think we're almost done here. Am I overthinking it and she's just not a good texter? Are people really not good textures? Do I. How do I play it? Do I slow play it and text her back something vague like, yeah, let's link up again. How long should one wait before you send that first text after getting a girl's number not online, as the kids say in the wild? Or do I just pick up the phone and call her one night? Don't do that. I had somebody I'd met years ago, randomly. There was this late thing. She put her number on my phone with, like, a champagne bottle emoji in the name. Nice, dude. I think.
- [112:30]
D
Okay. Seems good.
- [112:31]
A
You think that it's a positive. Well, the emoji girl put a number in your phone.
- [112:36]
E
I think we're off to.
- [112:37]
A
Right, Right. So then I. The next day, I was at. Because it was like, I was away, and it was a. I. I was. I was, like, working out, obviously, as you do, and I was like, oh, okay. And I hit. I hit call by accident. I didn't mean. I wasn't.
- [112:58]
D
Did you immediately hang up?
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A
Yeah, I called and hung up.
- [113:01]
E
You can't even do that these days, right?
- [113:03]
A
The second you do that, I got a text back that was like, hey, can you not call? Like, I'm more of a texter. And I was just like, whatever. That was the last time. It was just like, that's. You didn't even have to be that mean. It was a mistake. I just. I just was like, the vibe on that text alone, I was just like, this is stupid.
- [113:19]
E
So to bring this back to life advice, what he's asking is what his response should be.
- [113:22]
A
And.
- [113:22]
E
And his response to maybe I'll see.
- [113:24]
A
You on the mountain. Well, he has one more line. He's like, I could just move on, as part of me sees being a bad texter as a huge red flag. Dude, if you're in a rut, let's not worry about red flags. Like, text. But her willingness to try and learn to snowboard as an adult by herself is really attractive. I got nothing to lose, but could definitely use some advice. Of all the mountain towns Ryan talks about, why no love for Tahoe? Interesting that you bring up Todd. Oh, yeah. I actually. During the Utah visit, I was going to go from Salt Lake to Utah. I actually need to text back Trent Dill for now. I told him I was coming. Now. Yes.
- [114:01]
D
You haven't texted him?
- [114:02]
A
Salt Lake to Reno. Oh, Reno.
- [114:04]
D
You didn't text him that you weren't coming?
- [114:05]
A
No.
- [114:06]
D
Like, it's been a week.
- [114:07]
A
Yeah.
- [114:08]
D
Okay. Not a good text.
- [114:09]
E
Not a good texter. All right, this lines up.
- [114:12]
A
I asked him where I should stay, and he was like, stay in Incline Village. And I was like, all right. And then he's like, I think I'm gonna be there Saturday. So I didn't go like, hey, lunch, it's on Saturday. Or you know, how many Coors Lights or whatever. There was no. There was no conclusion to the whole thing. Ironically, my luggage ended up in Reno, of all places, and then they shipped it to San Francisco because I never got it in la, so I don't. Whatever. Yeah. So ironically enough, I was going to go to actually go to Tahoe, but then I was like, you're just going to be in a hotel room by yourself for like, a total of. Of like, 14 days now. So when I. I took the boat out la, I was. I was happy to be back in Manhattan beach for a couple days. And Serenity knows there's also a backstory to me going back to Manhattan beach, which I'm not going to share. It's nothing all that exciting. Be honest. Has nothing to do with, like, a personal relationship. All right, so back to our guy. Look, man, you may have just overdone it.
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C
Did he, though?
- [115:06]
E
I think this is a free play. I think this is.
- [115:08]
D
Oh, you're gonna double down the other way and just say, hey, No, I.
- [115:11]
E
Think this is a free play. The lineman just. You've snapped the ball. The lineman already got the flag. I think you could chuck this down the field. I think what you could say. What did she say? Maybe I'll see you on the mountain, or maybe I'll see you off the mountain and then. And then lay out, and then you're done. And then you're done. It's. You're already cooked. This is already over. Unless you can somehow, you know, say something kind of cool and sound like you don't care that much because you may have already gone too far in one direction. I think that's the last thing you could do is just remind her that you maybe would like to get together instead of just one more time, and that's. And then be done, because otherwise you're done. Anyway.
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A
This was.
- [115:45]
D
Do you drop the, like, let me know next time you're there kind of thing? And that way it's like, oh, I'm not, like, asking you on a date there, but it's like, oh, yeah. Like, you know, I think it needs.
- [115:53]
E
To be a little bit more forward than that.
- [115:55]
A
Look, it just sucks when you go, all right, somebody's interested in me. She gave you the number. You had a blast snowboarding. I mean, she was by herself. You were teaching. You're having a really good time. But her saying, hey, I'm not a good texter, all right, that's not great. And then, like, you. That whole red flag thing, that was. That was pointless. Like, you could be overthinking. I'm just wondering, like, if you had such a great time with her. You got the number, you made the connection. You're teaching her how to snowboard and all this stuff. If you got a little too hyper about the whole thing, and we're texting her in a way where she's like, all right, this guy needs to chill out. Like, the thing that's so frustrating about the male, female, like, dynamic is those early minutes, those early hours, those first few days, they're so delicate. And you can fuck it up when you didn't even fuck it up.
- [116:44]
D
And then be interested, but don't be too interested, right?
- [116:46]
A
And then it's like six months later. You may even run into the person, and the person's like, I can't believe. Like, that's the way I handled it. And you're just like, yeah, I actually liked you. Like, what? Why did you have to be such a weirdo about the whole thing? And a lot of people have, like, this freak out the second anyone actually shows, like, earnest, like, any kind of attention.
- [117:04]
E
I don't want to be in a club. That would happen.
- [117:06]
A
Yeah. And then you're like, oh, my God, this person likes me.
- [117:09]
D
Live blue text in A row with no responses and you're like, oh man.
- [117:12]
A
I might have done it. You might have overdone it. You may not have you know somebody else.
- [117:17]
D
Based on the evidence, I don't think he did.
- [117:19]
A
No, but he. It's something either she loved the free lesson, but she again, she gave you the number. Maybe she also, there's times where like a girl will just give you the number because it's like way less awkward than saying I do not want to give you myself.
- [117:33]
D
Right, right.
- [117:34]
E
And I'll just ghost you. I'm a professional ghoster.
- [117:36]
A
Right, right, right.
- [117:37]
D
But the professional ghosters, I mean, yeah, maybe she just really wanted the lesson. But like hang out with you solo for an afternoon.
- [117:42]
E
That seems like depends on if you really are a non confrontational people. Don't even. People won't even order food from a place if you have to call them anymore. It's like, well, it's not on doordash. I'm not.
- [117:51]
D
An afternoon ski lesson with this guy she didn't want to out hang out with because she was too afraid to say I don't.
- [117:55]
A
But here's the thing, like it might be worth your whole free play thing. I would say give it a week. That's too long. I don't know. Give it 10 days. Give it 10 days. Be like, hey, look, you're almost like a stranger again if you give it too. Too much time.
- [118:08]
D
Hey, heading up there today.
- [118:09]
A
Kind of like just being like, hey. Or the next few days I'm headed up like had a blast snowboarding, you know, don't like necessarily apologize for anything or like, but try to find a way to vaguely express. Like if I read this wrong, but don't say that because then it's like, oh, this guy like thinks there's all these stakes and all the things. I think there's a way to play it. You ignore it for a bunch of days and then who knows, maybe you randomly hear from her. Then you get surprised by the whole thing. Maybe she's had something really shitty go on in her Life for like 24 hours and that's why she was snowboarding by herself, to get her mind clear of all these things. All right, But I would just lay out for a week and a half or so and then just be like, hey, I'm headed up to the mountain the next couple days if you want to snowboard. Awesome. And then you'll have your answer. But he does need to.
- [118:51]
E
Probably need a response to this text, right?
- [118:55]
A
He's like, what should I do?
- [118:56]
E
I think one cool text could get.
- [118:57]
A
You back on track. I think one cool reply might be able to get you back. Honestly, I think he's fucked and I think you're lying. That's probably it. Yeah. Unfortunately, that's why it's a free play. I'll leave it there. All right. All right. Are you getting Venmos from listeners? Yes.
- [119:16]
D
Oh.
- [119:20]
A
This one guy sent receipts of it. He just pays you 10 bucks all the time. Yeah.
- [119:24]
E
One guy keeps asking for 50 bucks.
- [119:26]
A
For being a poser. He's asking you for 50 bucks.
- [119:32]
E
I'm gonna send him two cents and just tell him to, like, I'm gonna.
- [119:35]
A
Say something mean, I think.
- [119:35]
E
But then now he already knows, so there you go. I was just ignoring it, but maybe.
- [119:39]
A
We'Ll just end on that.
- [119:40]
D
What is it? Just like a cheers emoji and then, like, you know, it was a really nice.
- [119:44]
E
It was a really nice message this last time.
- [119:46]
A
Yeah.
- [119:47]
D
That's awesome.
- [119:48]
A
Yeah, that's really nice.
- [119:49]
E
I don't have my phone on me.
- [119:50]
A
Because I'm a real podcast people.
- [119:51]
D
Some shout outs.
- [119:52]
A
Yeah, dude. Tom Ford shoes, by the way.
- [119:54]
E
I never noticed, like, his feet.
- [119:57]
A
That's nice, dude.
- [119:58]
D
They do look nice.
- [119:59]
A
I'm usually wearing compression shorts while I do the pod.
- [120:02]
E
I know you get up to go get something.
- [120:04]
A
I'm like, whoa. Yeah. I. I try to warn everybody. He does, does like, hey, I mean.
- [120:11]
D
The Freddie Gibbs is an all timer, right? Speaking of, he won a Grammy. Shouts out to Freddie Gibbs.
- [120:15]
A
He did win a Grammy.
- [120:16]
D
Yeah.
- [120:17]
E
Wait, was that the. Wasn't that boss?
- [120:20]
D
Oh, it was. That was. You're right. Well, it probably was Freddie too, though, because you wear, like, the same short thing.
- [120:24]
B
Yeah, no, I. I actually.
- [120:26]
D
Boss was the. No. Yeah, that was a tough look.
- [120:29]
A
I was in my house.
- [120:31]
D
Yeah. But like, okay, if like.
- [120:33]
E
No, it's a beach life thing.
- [120:34]
A
I mean, you wouldn't get it. You're right.
- [120:36]
D
You're right. I wouldn't.
- [120:39]
A
Like, man, there's a lot of sand in here.
- [120:40]
D
Yeah, that's how I like it.
- [120:43]
A
This is what happens. Yeah, I'll take it. What do you get, snow in your house? All right, I guess we don't need to acknowledge any more on the Venmo.
- [120:54]
E
Well, thank you, by the way, to that other guy.
- [120:57]
A
Yeah, that sucks.
- [121:00]
D
Like, same. Like, same guy multiple times or different?
- [121:02]
A
All right, we'll just read the same guy. Just read it because we were in the guy and he's.
- [121:06]
E
He let a couple months go by.
- [121:07]
A
He asked me again. All right. Bench 225, 22 times my senior year in high school. Probably down to only five reps. But you know what? You did it. Six foot, 215, pickup game. Shorter, less enthusiastic. Mark Madsen, shout out to the Cardinal. Can't shoot but work hard in the paint. By the way, Stanford, Steve's boy, his boy Mark Madsen, he's also the Cowboys. I remember first becoming a fan of Ryan's while listening to him a college game day in 2009. My way to a po boy eatin contest and thinking, that dude has a great radio voice and he's gonna make it big. I always do wonder if my voice sucked.
- [121:51]
D
There are guys in the industry whose voice sucks.
- [121:53]
A
Yeah. Imagine Mad Dog Russo sending in a resume tape to somebody.
- [121:57]
D
Yeah, but that works now. Like, that's, you know.
- [121:59]
A
Yeah, but he gets started. He gets started in like the late 80s, man. Maybe before, but he was on in New York.
- [122:04]
D
I feel like I'd say this because we're friendly with him. He probably doesn't remember me, but, like, Cowherd has kind of a terrible radio voice, and he's one of the best radio people.
- [122:11]
A
Terrible radio voice.
- [122:13]
D
Well, I'm not. Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's a good one.
- [122:15]
A
Good cadence.
- [122:15]
C
What do you mean?
- [122:17]
D
Yeah, I mean, I don't feel like I'm speaking.
- [122:19]
A
No, I think his. I think what he does is a ton of range in his voice.
- [122:24]
D
Okay.
- [122:25]
A
So, like, a lot of people think, like, I can be making a great point, but there's certain radio managers that.
- [122:31]
D
Just be like, didn't hammer it home enough.
- [122:33]
A
Did no energy monotone or whatever. And then it's like, I can't believe Kean Ellis got traded. And like, that guy's killing it.
- [122:43]
D
His teases are incredible.
- [122:47]
A
This move the Cavs just made opened up a spot for LeBron coming up next. I like those tosses. Yeah.
- [122:58]
D
Does Greeny have a good, Like, a good TV voice? He does. Yeah.
- [123:02]
B
Yeah. He.
- [123:03]
A
He, like, if you really listen to, like, his hosting stuff, you can. You can make fun of, like, the higher pitched part of Greeny in. But normally he's lower. His. His range is lower. He gets. People impersonate Greeny at a higher pitch, but he's usually when he gets worked.
- [123:18]
D
Up that you think of his voice. Yeah.
- [123:20]
A
Yeah. Van Pell has a good voice.
- [123:23]
D
Yep. Yep.
- [123:25]
A
Dan the Duke Davis.
- [123:27]
D
What about. What about Big Cat?
- [123:30]
A
Big Cat's voice is good.
- [123:31]
D
He's got a good radio voice.
- [123:32]
A
I think he does have a good voice. I don't know that I ever thought about it. Yeah, he is a. He is. But he also kind of has this, like. I don't think he fucking care, but there's almost like an everyman buffoonish thing that he does. Like, it's consistent.
- [123:47]
D
Some people would be insulted by that.
- [123:48]
A
Yeah, I don't think he will be some people.
- [123:51]
C
No.
- [123:51]
A
Well, the way he'll ask some things, though, it can feel a little like. No, I know you're saying Flintstone. Yeah, yeah. But it's not a high. Like a knuckle dragger. But, like, it's. Yeah, it's.
- [124:01]
D
It's. It's him. So it's. It's cool. It works.
- [124:03]
A
Hey, the thing I said in their book, even though I haven't talked to the author yet, that they're really smart and they figure out a way to convince everyone that they're dumb. Yeah, there you go. That might be in the back page. All right. So, yeah, thanks for the compliment. Continue to be a fan. SVP and Rosillo. Rosillo Canal. Attending the live walk on show prior to the 2016 LSU Bama game. I even came in second to the Oregon Brewery guy. No way. To Scott at Breakside Brewery for the ESPN auction. So this guy actually. Really? You really like the shows? To spend the day with SVP and Rossillo. He sounds way cooler than me. And probably the best for Rosillo's sake. Or else the Rosillo Saav would cease to exist again. Rossillo, is it too late to say that I'm savvy.
- [124:49]
D
I still don't like it.
- [124:51]
A
What? You don't like the tagline?
- [124:52]
D
I don't like it. Yeah. I don't know.
- [124:53]
A
Maybe you'll never.
- [124:55]
E
I don't think so. But you.
- [124:56]
A
You've. I don't think you're doing it, by the way.
- [124:57]
D
It's doing too much.
- [124:58]
A
Yeah, it is doing too much. But the fact that my friends used to sing it and then hand them out. Yeah, you've sold me on that.
- [125:04]
E
You've sold me on that.
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A
I'm gonna. I want you handing out some savvies, asking if it's too late. Now, to the story. I first venmoed Kyle back in April of 23, just as a thank you for him being the best podcast producer in the world. That's pretty high ranking. Do you agree with that? Ranking the best in the world?
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E
No, I wouldn't do that.
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A
I wouldn't say that. I don't think I. Saying producer limits you, though. That's. I wouldn't.
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E
But when People ask what I do.
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A
That's what I say.
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E
Sometimes I'm on a mic, sometimes I'm not.
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A
Sometimes I push buttons. And I don't even know if I want to be a screenwriter anymore for the actual art or the craft. I just want to be able to introduce myself, not as a podcaster.
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E
It's really a tough branding.
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A
Yeah. No one's psyched because there's.
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D
It's the widest range of what that could possibly.
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A
No one.
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D
Yeah, I mean, anyone can do it.
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E
Someone could feel bad for you if.
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A
You say that or something.
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D
I hope it works out.
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A
Yeah. That's more than half.
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E
You just keep at it.
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A
That's what they say.
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D
Just keep at it.
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A
The number of people that if I don't, they don't know anything about me. And it's like, oh, he's a podcaster. And, like, you live. You're Redondo inheritance.
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D
What happened there?
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A
Then he got back from. Wait, wait, wait. All right. Then he got back from the bachelor party following this month. Was complaining about how much he spent, so I Venmoed him again. Wow. Crickets. Both times, not even a heart on the Venmo, much less a thank you. What will it take to get an acknowledgment from Kyle on my Venmos? I even sent him a third one recently to see if third time's at charm. So this guy.
- [126:38]
D
That's not like you. You're. You're a nice guy.
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E
Thanks. Yeah. I'm sorry.
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A
I'm sorry.
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D
I.
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A
Well, you know, it's 30 bucks total, so maybe that was.
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E
It's 30 bucks total.
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D
Zero. Yeah.
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A
It's unbelievable.
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E
It's more than double, I'll tell you. When I was riding the bus and, like, falling off those scooters, Mark Titus and Tate Frazier were put constantly putting my Venmo out there, and I actually racked up quite a bit. That was nice.
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A
Okay. Keep that number off the books.
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E
Yeah, I think. I mean, it wasn't like, $1,000 or.
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A
Anything, but when you're waiting for the bus, you hear a little cha ching.
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E
And it's like, 15 bucks.
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D
Yeah. Pretty cool.
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E
Nice crowdsourcing, I guess, because this. This guy who keeps asking me for $50, he recently did that again.
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A
It was, like, around the same time. We're back to that guy.
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E
Well, I don't like the idea that you can get to me through Venmo.
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A
If you just want to.
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E
I know this guy is being nice and this guy's being a dick, but it's both the Same venue.
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A
So I see. I see.
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E
I was sort of like, I don't know if I want to get a response to anything like that. So I'm sorry. We got you on the show and.
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A
Well, there you go.
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E
I think this is better than that would have been.
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D
It is.
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A
But, yeah. I don't answer it.
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E
Well, sometimes I answer a dm, like, I'll check my, like, requests or whatever, and I'll. I'll answer it. And it's like, thanks so much. And then we. We were onto something else.
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A
Yeah.
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E
It's like, all right, now this guy's in my. He's. I've allowed him in my DMs. And now we're like, you gotta be honest.
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D
I don't follow the Venmo logic. So because one guy asked you for money that you cannot.
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A
You just.
- [128:01]
E
It's just a random person can just, like, get to me that way.
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A
And you're looking at Venmo as, like, Facebook right now. And it has nothing to do with where the traffic is going. You're just, like, sort of turned off because the one guy's ruined it for the other guy that was helping you.
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E
I just don't know if it's a venue for conversation having, that's all.
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D
It's not even a conversation. Just a, like, all right, no.
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E
You know what?
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A
Can they send you notes after you, like, something? Are you afraid of opening up?
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D
I don't.
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A
I'll admit, like, every now and then, if I read an IG dm, I go, as soon as you open this up or if you. It's then going to turn into something.
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D
Yeah. You're going to waste a lot of time.
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A
Well, maybe more. Maybe you build a relationship coming, so it could be that, too. But you're right.
- [128:39]
E
Your logic is right. I'm going to say thank you to that guy in addition to doing this now.
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A
Thank you. All right, that'll do it for the show. Live from San Francisco. Big thanks to DraftKings and of course, all my friends at Raising Canes as well. We will be ready to go Wednesday, full show, and then Thursday could very well be two shows as we get ready for the NBA trade deadline, which is my favorite part of super bowl week. And we're going to the warriors game.
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D
Yes.
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A
Show. Field trip. All of us are going to the warriors game on Tuesday night. So report back down, follow the socials. Yeah.
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D
Content there.
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A
I guess they're going to have a camera. Barstool. They film everything here, so they're going to be. Pft. Was talking to me about his up calf. He's in a scooter. He's in a little rascal.
- [129:21]
D
That's why he was sitting out there.
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A
Yeah. His cab was actually hurt. He's in a rascal. And I was like, where? Because then I walked away from him, like, where is he? And he was, like, going two miles an hour. But they filmed the whole thing, so we'll have all that stuff up on the socials as well. So thanks to Kyle, thanks to Kevin, thanks to Ceruti, and make sure you check out The Resilo Show. Barstool Sports 2 SA.