New Magic Coach Sean Sweeney, McGregor's Disastrous UFC Return w/ Jon Anik, Plus Some NBA Summer Stories

Summary

The Ryen Russillo Show — July 13, 2026

Episode: New Magic Coach Sean Sweeney, McGregor’s Disastrous UFC Return w/ Jon Anik, Plus Some NBA Summer Stories
Host: Ryen Russillo
Producer/Co-hosts: Kyle, Ceruti, others
Notable Guests: Sean Sweeney (Orlando Magic Head Coach), Jon Anik (UFC Commentator)

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Episode Overview

This jam-packed edition of The Ryen Russillo Show features three central segments:

1. NBA Summer Updates: Russillo dives into the LeBron James free agency saga and related NBA off-season moves, leveraging NBA history (notably the 2018 Lakers scenario) to contextualize current rumors around LeBron.
2. Sean Sweeney Interview: The new Orlando Magic head coach details his approach to leading a young, talented roster, his coaching philosophy, and reflections on last season’s NBA Finals.
3. UFC Recap with Jon Anik: A candid breakdown of UFC 303, focusing on Conor McGregor’s disastrous return, Max Holloway’s performance, and Paddy Pimblett’s rising star.

The episode also features the show’s signature relaxed style, banter, pop culture tangents, and the "Life Advice" mailbag segment where listeners weigh in on etiquette, sports hypotheticals, and mid-life cologne crises.

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Key Segments and Takeaways

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I. NBA News & Notes

Timestamps: 03:27–20:04

LeBron James Watch & Free Agency Dynamics

• Russillo opens with a “day 14” update on LeBron’s pending free agency decision, admitting, “I cannot be annoyed if I’m going to open my show with it … He and his team love this shit. Love it.” (03:27)
• 2018 Lakers Parallels: Revisits how LeBron’s camp orchestrated “smoke” around Philly as a serious destination to benefit the Sixers’ public perception, though he never intended to sign there.
  • “The whole Philly thing was also kind of bullshit. He didn’t even show up to the meeting.” (10:35)
• Points out the impact of LeBron’s drawn-out process on free agency activity league-wide, with teams “on hold” waiting for him to decide.

Other NBA Offseason Notes

• Kawhi Leonard Trade Freeze: Russillo discusses the uncertainty surrounding Kawhi’s status, the NBA’s ongoing investigation, and how teams like Toronto must hedge for potential suspensions.
  • “Imagine if any high-profile NBA star who actually talked was caught up in this. Kawhi gets this incredible pass because he doesn’t really talk to anybody.” (17:00)
• Gary Trent Contract: Lampoons Milwaukee's $64 million, 4-year deal for Gary Trent Jr. as “one of the all-time worst contracts.”
  • “Everybody knew that it was coming ... But once that domino falls ... this run for the Bucks is a lesson.” (18:24)

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II. Interview: Sean Sweeney, Orlando Magic Head Coach

Timestamps: 20:04–46:44

The Head Coach Interview Process

• Sweeney describes Orlando’s interview as “by far the most thorough ... nine and a half hours long.” (20:56)
• On prep: “You probably learn those teams in preparation for the interviews better than you've ever learned them ever going up against them in an actual game on another staff.” (21:56)

Vision for the Magic

• Alignment with Orlando's front office on team strengths and areas for growth, especially after Franz Wagner’s injury last season.
  • “We came into it very aligned … How do we take what has been successful and build upon it?” (22:12)
• Focus on activating all five players offensively, improving spacing, shot selection, and pushing pace.
  • “The more that we hunt baskets and not the ball, we're going to be in better shape.” (23:58)
• Defensive identity is a priority: “A good defense travels ... If we can get to that, I think we can, we're going to be in good shape.” (24:50)

Memorable coaching quote:

“Whoever has the ball is the point guard. If you pass the center, he's got to be a decision maker.”
— Sean Sweeney quoting Tim Grgurich (25:35)

• Sweeney promises more tempo: “If Luka can be in the top 10 in pace, I think just about anybody can.” (27:40)

Player Development & Culture

• Details his early encounters with Paolo Banchero:
  • “He’s a smart kid. He’s serious about how he wants to be a great player and a great winner in this league.” (31:13)
• On managing "on-ball" talent: “All being good on-ball doesn’t mean taking turns … It means we should just get stuck less.” (24:55)
• Emphasizes conditioning, rotation management, and clear role communication as keys to team buy-in (30:33).

Finals Reflections, Adjustments, & Staff Stories

• Russillo nudges Sweeney about last year's NBA Finals loss:

  • “Will you ever watch that finals again?”
  • Sweeney: “Absolutely no. No, I have. I don’t lose a lot of sleep over games. I have lost a lot of sleep over that series.” (36:21)
  • On New York's Jalen Brunson: “Jalen obviously had a monster game in that last one. Happy for him — kind of.” (36:52)

• Praises OG Anunoby’s playoff impact:

  • “He was just a monster all playoffs and a huge difference in that series.” (38:17)

• On rookie Dylan Harper’s growth:

  • “He’s got a level of pedigree … he just wants to win. For a 19 or 20-year-old ... he’s impressive, man.” (41:34)

• Core Principle: “Team, team. … the measure of greatness in a team sport is what you do to elevate your teammates.” (44:23)

• On working officials as a head coach:

  • “Marquis, this guy doesn’t respect me at all — how do you think he's going to respect you?” (45:25)

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III. UFC with Jon Anik: McGregor’s Disastrous Return & Beyond

Timestamps: 46:48–60:35

Main Event Debacle: Conor McGregor vs. Max Holloway

• Anik recounts in-cage chaos as McGregor injures his knee on an opening kick:
  • “Joe Rogan would probably describe [it] as a wayward decision to throw a switch roundhouse kick … he couldn’t execute it and he paid the ultimate price.” (47:39)
  • “There’s a lot of speculation as to whether there was a preexisting injury … That does not appear to be the case.” (47:39)
• Russillo bluntly summarizes: “This is not what happens. You don’t get to take five years off.” (49:36)
• Anik on Holloway’s experience: “Max Holloway has more title fight time than anyone in UFC history — nine hours in that fucking octagon.” (48:20)

On McGregor’s Future

• Anik sees another comeback (“…he’ll fight on Netflix at some point” (54:07)), but questions the purpose: “What exactly is the goal here and what are Conor McGregor’s goals?” (51:20)
• Noted the lack of McGregor’s signature swagger: “He didn’t have that usual look in his eye ... maybe he wasn’t budding with confidence.” (55:07)
• Both agree the “run it back” idea, floated by Holloway post-fight, landed with a thud: “That was the least approved statement I’ve ever heard.” (50:19)
• Russillo: “Old fighters don’t really stop … I just don’t think that’ll be true.” (54:06)

Paddy Pimblett’s Breakout

• Russillo suggests a UK "baton passing" moment as Pimblett impresses:
  • “To go in and kind of recapture his momentum side by side with Conor … the imagination of everyone in there that seemed to be so behind him.” (55:27)
• Anik lauds Pimblett’s patience, submission skill, and timing:
  • “He could have come to the UFC at 21 … He wanted to be a proper athlete when he got here.” (56:24)
  • “He was a superstar before Saturday, but this is going to take it to another level.” (56:24)

The Unique UFC Broadcast Dynamic

• On fighters celebrating with commentators:
  • “Rogan says, We’re professional fans. I think that's really what we are.” — Jon Anik (59:00)
  • Russillo describes on-air high fives as “an incredible camera angle.” (59:00)

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IV. Mailbag & Life Advice

Timestamps: 61:33–end

Highlights & Humor

• “Adult Swim” Pool Etiquette:

  • Emailer describes being shamed for bringing his baby into reserved adult lap swim time and retaliates by swimming laps, “taking up 15% of the pool.”
  • Consensus: Rules are rules. “When people start talking about like, ‘Yeah, but my kid’ … you’ve lost me.” (82:06, Co-host)
  • Russillo: “It isn't about you. It's a fight against the progression of what is the point of us having adult swim time?” (85:15)

• Sports Hypotheticals:

  • Russillo revisits his “Westbrook would be a world-class soccer player” take, prompted by listener pushback. “Fair point … He makes these simple mistakes and mental lapses ... maybe I’ll stop saying Westbrook.” (69:15)

• Cologne Dilemmas:

  • Emailer asks: "How do you ask another grown straight man what cologne he’s wearing without it being weird?"
  • Russillo: “If you just go, ‘Hey, I have to ask. I use Irish Spring. What the fuck do you have going on?’ ... He’s probably going to appreciate it ... It’s like asking about a nice watch.” (91:48)
  • Co-hosts riff on going to Macy’s for samples; suggestions for confidence in “scent journey.”

“Life Advice” energy:

Listeners get affirmation for subtle trolling (the pool-lap retaliation), but the hosts generally encourage responsible, considerate adult behavior, heavy on observational comedy.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Joe Rogan would probably describe [it] as a wayward decision to throw a switch roundhouse kick … he couldn’t execute it and he paid the ultimate price.”
  • Jon Anik on McGregor’s injury (47:39)
• “Whoever has the ball is the point guard.”
  • Sean Sweeney quoting Tim Grgurich (25:35)
• “When people start talking about like, ‘Yeah, but my kid’… you’ve lost me.”
  • Co-host, on pool rules (82:06)
• “The whole Philly thing was also kind of bullshit. He didn’t even show up to the meeting.”
  • Russillo on LeBron’s 2018 decision (10:35)
• “He’s a smart kid. He’s serious about how he wants to be a great player and a great winner in this league.”
  • Sweeney on Paolo Banchero (31:13)

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Episode Vibe & Tone

• Signature Russillo: Candid, critical, nerdy about NBA history, and self-deprecating.
• Heavy focus on granular sports talk, but with frequent pivots to pop culture, personal anecdotes (Montana rodeo recap!), and irreverent advice.
• Banter among hosts/co-hosts injects warmth and humor, particularly in the listener Q&A/life advice sections.
• Guests like Sweeney and Anik add depth but also play along with the show’s light, conversational tone.

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For New Listeners

If you want:

• To understand NBA off-season chess moves (beyond the Twitter hype).
• A coach’s-eye view of building a culture in modern pro sports.
• The inside mood after a fight night goes sideways.
• Or just want to laugh at adult swim politics and midlife cologne anxiety...

This episode delivers all the above, with sharp takes, expert guests, and the famously loose—but smart—Russillo Show energy.

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

[Ryan Rosillo]

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at DKNG Co Audio Some NBA news and notes here as we start the pod. I love today's podcast. We are on what day 14 of LeBron watch. I cannot be annoyed if I'm going to open my show with it because I'm just as guilty as everybody else of doing the updates. I've been watching tv. Every now and then it's like, okay, we're going to keep doing this because let's not make any mistake. He and his team love this shit. Love it. So after the Bronnie James decision of 629, which I'm never going to forget, that move where Bronnie's contract was guaranteed for 2627 just over $2 million, all of us are kind of waiting around, right? And there's been different scenarios. There was some Golden State momentum because I think a lot of people would just be so excited about how interesting that would be. And we've covered all this before. I've talked about the teams that I thought would make sense. But there's something that's happening that I think is worth revisiting because I always love going back and looking at history to try to predict what' happening right now. Because his group, for whatever reason and look, I like Rich Paul a lot, but I would say, and I think I even said it once, the last time we talked to each other, which was just at a game, we randomly ran into each other. He's a huge college football fan, so he only wanted to talk about college football. But I had said something where I thought like maybe he was coming over to give me a shit about that. But he's actually really smart. And he's like, I wasn't gonna give you shit about anything. I don't care what you say. But I would say this in the past and I'll say it again. I don't understand the obsession with just kind of wasting everybody's time. And they love doing it. They just love doing it. Because I think this, this whole we control the message thing, which they do a very good job of. I. I think it's like a detriment to the team that you're going to sign with because everybody's on hold. And it's funny now. I was thinking about it this morning. I was getting ready for the show. This is now three times in six years that I felt bad for Harden. And that would be the Kyrie situation with the Nets, the Sixers exit, and now right now, like, even if he's not my favorite bet to get it done in the playoffs, maybe it'll just be a full circle moment where Harden will be over my house and we'll just hash it all out, we'll talk about it. But right now, like, I feel bad about the situation he's in. Even though there is a Cleveland move, to be able to try to find a way to get LeBron at a certain number, depending on whatever that number is, if it really is the minimum, then all of this stuff is super solvable. But it also means there's all these other fan bases trying to figure out if he's actually in play when none of us really think that he is, and that it's ultimately going to be Cleveland. And it's always been Cleveland, but they just like doing this, which also tells me that retirement Torah is going to be, like, unhinged. I don't know if it's an attention seeking thing. I don't know if there's some deficiency there. Does he go home and the kids don't listen? Does the wife not listen? You know what I mean? Sometimes I will wonder, why is this so important to you? But I think it's just when you are a global star, that's not necessarily something that you want to walk away from. Because it's probably a lot of fun to have everybody talking about you that much. Or at least they seem to enjoy it as much. I would think this many years in, you still want to do all this shit. But yes is the answer. They do want to do all of this shit. There's only been one LeBron move where I felt very locked in about what was going to happen. And that was when he left Miami to go back to Cleveland. That was the only time I felt like I had good information. And again, I'm telling you right now, this is just speculative based on the history. So if you go back to 2018, which is important here, that's when he went to the Lakers after leaving Cleveland. I think a lot of people after the fact made it sound like that was an automatic. But remember what the Lakers did roster wise in some of the conversations that we had eight summers ago when we were trying to figure out if he was going to go stay in Cleveland, go to la, maybe go to LA in a year, because he was doing those year to year, year to year deals with Cleveland, which drove them crazy when he did the longer term thing with more security with the Lakers. And then Philadelphia. Philadelphia was theoretically in play in 2018. So LeBron ended up going to the Lakers and the group. There was Mo Wagner, who wasn't even a guy yet. They brought in Rondo. There was the KCP contract. Remember the year prior in 17, he got a one year deal at $17.7 million. You're like, wait a minute, who is his agent? We're like, oh, it's clutch. Like, hey, we'll pay KCP almost $18 million when nobody else will for one year. Just to let you know how much we appreciate the operation you have over there. And if LeBron were to want to come to the Lakers, they also signed Lance Stevenson, JaVale McGee. They had Caruso, who wasn't a real guy yet. That was also part of it. Ingram, Lonzo Kuzma, Tyson Chandler was done. I mean, Caruso had only played 62 games the first two years of his career there in LA. But the thought was when it happened, you're like, that's what they're doing around him, like that's where he wants to go. I remember too there was like this argument. They're like, they're going to get out and run. This is the most athletes LeBron's ever had. Like they're just going to. It's like, no, they're not going to run. Because LeBron's the best half court player we've maybe ever seen. So he doesn't want to run and he doesn't have to run because what he does works every single time anyway. So that was the collection of guys that he teamed up with and it was pretty underwhelming. I don't know if he had been more open with the Lakers of like, I'm coming in 2018. So, like, prepare the ships if there was a possibility there. But part of the argument was that he could stay in the east because the east was weaker. They were getting to the Finals. It felt like constantly. Boston was still too young, they were ahead of schedule. And there was either the Cleveland scenario or there was the Philadelphia scenario. Philadelphia had just been eliminated in the playoffs early on. But you felt terrific about Embiid's future back then. And yes, this is real. We all collectively felt great about Ben Simmons future. I know Fultz had only played, I think, what, 12 games or something like that, 10 games, 14 games. But he had the shoulder injury. I was reading Brett Brown quotes this morning about how much better he looked in 2018 and 2019 and working on it, and like, oh, there's some real confidence. And what was he supposed to say? He was the interim general manager at the time. All right, so there was this Embiid Simmons pairing in 2018 that felt like it was a much better opportunity than this collection that the Lakers had kind of had to piece together. Likely being a roster that was not ready for LeBron. And that's exactly. I mean, it took him a little while, and it took the transaction of Anthony Davis to change all this around. But the 2018 thing, you're like, man, from a basketball standpoint, like, yeah, he stays in the East. Like, he goes, like, if this is what really matters, why would he go to the Lakers? They have Foltz. I mentioned Sarich. That's right. Sarich was a lottery pick two years in. He was part of the selling point as well. So it comes time to take these meetings, and then what happens? This contingency from Philadelphia flies out to la, meets up with Rich Paul. It's the ownership group, it's Brett Brown, and LeBron doesn't show up. You're like, well, why would they be pushing out the LeBron to Philadelphia thing? Because that's what his group was doing. It wasn't like all of us just made it up. That was being pushed as a destination. And all you have to do is look at his podcast with Kellerman, which was fucking hysterical, where they were mapping out 27 scenarios of teams they could go to when they whiteboarded up. I was entertained by it. It was entertaining, even if I thought it was mostly bullshit. But what we learned in 2018 is the whole Philly thing was also kind of bullshit. He didn't even show up to the meeting. And when I finally did a little bit more digging after the fact I'm like, why was that a thing? I was like, well, Ben Simmons is a clutch client. And at the time, LeBron's group felt like keeping Philadelphia in the mix was somehow a service to them, would somehow make them look better. The perception of the Sixers would be improved because it felt like they were a real scenario for LeBron, when in fact he was never going there. And I was like, all of that because Ben Simmons is on the team and he's a client and he's important. Like that to me is a lot of energy wasted on a scenario that was never going to happen. Like, did you do Philly a favor or did you get their fans hopes up? Did you waste a ton of people's time with that organization? And then I was reading again the quotes this morning. It was like, hey, this shows that we're a first class organization. This shows that we're going to be in on any marquee free agent. Exactly what I would say if I own the team. But I'd also be like, so he's not coming, he's not even going to talk to us and we're supposedly in on this. Is that what's happening right now in 2026? Maxi's a clutch client. Is this just this group somehow perceiving this as a favor to an organization and be like, we'll let you think, we'll let the fans think, we'll let everybody think, you know, even from a planning standpoint, even though like Philly's really made most of their moves already. But we'll let you think that this is a possibility because that's what it feels like. I personally think it's a waste of everybody's time. They clearly do not. Couple other thoughts here. The Kawhi Leonard trade being frozen, that happened right after we taped on Thursday. There's two very different statements here. Look, the Clipper side of it is longer, but I just wanted to touch on a couple things because I've seen it kind of presented two different ways, at least on the Toronto. One is that Toronto was blind to this idea that this trade could be frozen. I've read that there's also news out there that had said Toronto would be given a heads up because the investigation in the Kawhi Leonard Clipper situation is not complete, that there could be something and therefore Toronto would be on the hook for it if they're going to want to continue to do this trade. I know like everybody else, we're kind of at a point now we're like, hey, we thought this would be over. I don't know if it's not over because they don't have enough. And this is a simple thing of like, it's a lot of hearsay where we can connect the dots and go, clearly something weird here happened. But if you can't prove it, then nothing's going to happen. But then again, if nothing's going to happen, how's that going to go over the media for the NBA? How's that going to go over for the other NBA teams that are pissed off about this? Like, I don't think a nothing is going to happen thing happens here. But then you also understand too, it's like if you think you're going to do this to us, then we're going to fight back. And so all of this stuff is kind of worked out collectively. But then Toronto sitting there going, hey, we just want the player because of all of these off season moves. If we're talking about one that really moves the needle. And I don't know that you're going to get 25, 26 Kawhi again in Toronto, but if you get anything close to that and taking out bad Brandon Ingram playoff possessions, which are all of them, and pair him with this Scotty Barnes version where I'm, I've never been more bullish on Scotty Barnes. The Toronto, like now I look at them differently. But what happens if he's suspended for 30 games? I just wanted to make this point. Does it even matter? He didn't even play a full season when they won it all in 2019. I mean, Kawhi gets to do whatever he wants. The funniest part about all of this Kawhi stuff is that imagine if any high profile. Well, he's obviously very high profile. How about this? Imagine if an NBA star with a high profile who actually talked was caught up in this. Kawhi gets this incredible pass because he doesn't really talk to anybody. We've already accepted. It's like, I don't know what's going on there. Like there is perhaps no personality in there whatsoever. If it was another kind of like front facing dude. And this is strange to say because he's felt like the face of a couple different franchises at different times here. But we have just accepted that he's not going to play along. And in a way it's benefited him massively throughout all of this because like other guys at his level would have to do the sit down with somebody at espn. They would have to do whatever it is to kind of like, open up a little bit, turn the page and either apologize or lie or do whatever. But they'd have to address it. With Kawhi, we've just accepted that that's never going to happen because he's just not going to do it. Which in a way I kind of admire from the guy. But if he's suspended, Toronto sure can go back to the Clippers and say, okay, we need to take back one of these picks. If I'm the Clippers, I would say, absolutely not. What are you going to do? Not want Kawhi back in Toronto? Good luck with that. So I don't even know how the negotiation would go, but if it ends up that the news becomes, well, why is he suspended? Which would become its own debate on whether or not we feel that that's the right thing to happen. If somebody's putting an offer in front of you again, I don't know if this is a. It'll be interesting to see what the punishment is because it'll be like, I can't believe it's that little. And it's like, yeah, but there's a big difference between what we can talk about and then what somebody can actually prove to punish one of their partners. But if part of this is that they feel like the NBA's investigation feels like the Kawhi was complicit in this somehow him getting suspended for a few games probably isn't that different from what the plan would be if he were totally clear and getting a contract extension from Toronto because he wasn't going to play 75 anyway. One last thought on some of the stuff from this weekend. The Gary Trent contract. This is one of the all time worst contracts in NBA history. But everybody knew that it was coming. 64 million over four years, all guaranteed. When I saw the headline, I was like, is there any way. But what had happened? As everybody knows, there were some deals that were a little below market level and there were other people going like, I cannot wait to see what that Gary Trent number comes in at. Because then he had a terrible season and he got four years, 64 million. And if there was some sort of understanding, you'd be taken care of later on, which, believe it or not, does happen in this league. Milwaukee's run of. And look, they were stuck. Their guy didn't want to be there. As an aside, Bucks, Twitter, you guys can just stay in your fucking lane of trying to tell me Dame Lillard is actually not bad on defense, telling the world that it's a ESPN sham's creation that Giannis wants to leave. And then when I laughed at the Trent contract, I had like real guys on Buck's Twitter trying to somehow like critique something else, as if that was like a good comeback to laughing at this contract. And I'm laughing at it because I think a lot of people knew that this was going to happen. But once that major domino falls and you were sitting, I think this run for the last few years to the Bucks is a lesson of the next team. That's like when your guy starts dipping his toe into wanting to leave, get it over with. Especially once you've won an NBA championship. Because the domino effect of all of these deals, these trades, the dame waving the money spent on Turner, it'd be nice if they hit on a few more of the draft picks, but this is. And again, a lot of it has to do with what am I, what am I? If you're John Horse, like, what am I supposed to do? Give up? Like, I'm trying to figure out any way to salvage his reinvented around Giannis the entire time. But that's always been my biggest issue with this deal and looking at the heat package back for it. I mean, that's the other thing too. Look at all the guards that they've brought in. They have Rollins, they have Porter, they traded for Lavert, they have Hero in the trade. And then it's like, yeah, let's make sure we get Gary Trent. 64 million guaranteed. How about you do this in the future? If Gary Trent's going to walk for a better deal in the minimum, let them. You're gonna be okay.

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[Ryan Rosillo]

He is the new head coach of the Orlando Magic. It is Sean Sweeney joining us on the podcast. Thanks for doing this, man. How are you?

[Sean Sweeney]

Great, thanks for having me.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay, so what's it like interviewing for a head coaching job? What do you do to prepare for something like that?

[Sean Sweeney]

It depends on the one, but basically you're studying the team, you're studying what they, what they played, like what you think you could do with their roster, what changes you would make. And then in some situations you're trying to look at, like who was the previous head coach and what did he do that the guys interviewing you didn't like and trying to make sure you don't hit on those things. But yeah, it's pretty exhaustive. Orlando was actually the most thorough interview that I had.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Why is that?

[Sean Sweeney]

Nine and a half hours long. And they did the best job. Jeff and those guys did the best job of when they asked a question. They had follow up questions that were like layered so there was more depth that you had to give in terms of what you were talking about. Hey, this is what I think about, you know, what schemes would be good offensively and then they'd ask why and could you describe different things within it? So it was by far the most thorough of any of the ones that I did.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I imagine when somebody like you, I mean, coaches are prep freaks to begin with, but you start your NBA career as a video coordinator and we just know that that is all about prepar preparation for every single other person. So I am always kind of like from a distance going. You must over prepare in a way where you're like, I want to have everything covered for every single one. You probably learn those teams in preparation for the interviews better than you've ever learned them. Ever going up against them in an actual game on another staff.

[Sean Sweeney]

Yeah, yeah. And then. Yeah, definitely. And then sometimes after is like, why the hell did I spend all that doing that?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. Okay, so then specific to Orlando, what do you think sold them on you?

[Sean Sweeney]

Well, I thought we came into it very, you know, aligned in terms of how we saw the team just naturally, you know, I think the big thing that I looked at was how do we take what has been successful in some ways? And obviously Franz getting hurt last year, a lot of people would point to that as to why the Magic potentially didn't get through that first round. But how do we take that and build upon it, trying to be specific in certain things that we feel like we can measure and improve upon. But I think just at the end of the day, you know, I wanted to go into it really prepared, thorough in terms of how I looked at the team. But try to Communicate my thoughts clearly and concisely, make sure that I knew what I was talking about, because clear and concise doesn't matter if you sound like an idiot, but just in general, tried to make sure that I was really locked in on what I thought needed to be done. And looking at the strengths and the weaknesses, not just, you know, oh, we got to do this differently.

[Ryan Rosillo]

This is a podcast that loves this Orlando roster. Okay? We are pro Magic guys on this podcast. I'm with you. I really like that front office, the drafting record. Like, we love Paolo. We'll get to that as well. So I think there are times throughout the season of doing this pod, we do it three days a week. We do a ton of NBA where you're like, man, I'm so frustrated by Orlando. What do you. Because that's because of the talent that you're walking into. So I know it could be a little delicate because, you know, the coaching world is a small fraternity, but what do you think needs to be solved with this group to get them in a position where we don't have a repeat of what happened last year?

[Sean Sweeney]

Well, to me, the big things is just there's got to be an activation of all five guys a little bit more often here. So whether that's playing with more pace and getting into things quicker, being more clear in our spacing, making sure that we make the right decision, you know, I think just in general, the more that we hunt baskets and not the ball, we're going to be in better shape. And then defensively, this team a couple years ago was rock solid at the top of the league. And getting back to that, I think is a big deal too. You know, like a good defense travels and, you know, if you've got a great defense, you're going to put yourself in a position regardless of the night. You know, the game at the end of the day is get more shots, get better shots than your opponent. And so if we can get to that, which I think we can, we're going to be in good shape.

[Ryan Rosillo]

In the past, you sometimes you look at a team and say, okay, well, that's a lot of on ball guys. There's only one basketball, you know, whatever.

[Kyle]

There's.

[Ryan Rosillo]

There's too many overlaps there. And now I feel like the game has shifted here, where it's like, there's nothing better than to have four, sometimes even five guys that if they have the ball in their hands, they can escape with it. And when I think about Paolo, Franz, Baines, Black, you know, even named some Other guys here where it's a lot of players that probably like to initiate on ball and I see it as a positive, but it's almost like they have to understand that all being good on ball doesn't mean taking turns. All being good on ball means like we should just get stuck less. And I felt like it was a very turn based offense now for a couple of years.

[Sean Sweeney]

Yeah, I think, you know, one of my mentors, a guy named Tim Gergorich, used to always say, whoever has the ball is the point guard. So if you pass the center, he's got to be a decision maker. If you pass it to this guy on a throwhead, he's got to be a decision maker. And I think that's more applicable than ever in today's game that whomever has the ball. Because these guys are so skilled, a lot of times they can create. But once you create, you've got to make a good decision whether it's to shoot it or to pass it. And I think that's something that, like you said, you know, they can escape more. But the best teams I've had been part of coaching. We've had a lot of guys that could all go get buckets and get themselves shots and then if there's two guys guarding them, it's pass the damn ball to your teammate.

[Ryan Rosillo]

The shooting numbers have been a problem. That's why there was such an emphasis on acquiring Bain. And I think Bain was a home run last year. Like they, I'm sure whether it's publicly or privately been like, yeah, we know we gave up the picks. Who knows what they'll end up being? But like, we'll do that deal all over again. Can the shooting numbers. Well, I guess I'd look at it this way. How much do you think the shooting numbers suffer from guys that are average to blow average shooters versus some of the shot selection that you've watched from this group.

[Sean Sweeney]

I mean, shot selection is always where it starts. You know, if you're not shooting a good percentage, it's either you're a bad shooter, you're taking bad shots, just as a general rule. So the more we can create good looks, the better we're going to be. And I think there's definitely some room to improve there.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, yeah, I think you're being nice about it because I think they would run the clock late and it would be a lot of like, I guess I got to shoot this now. And so I'm not saying this is Golden State from peak Golden State years from the collection of shooters that you have, but it just was an offense that, you know, like I said, yeah, we're sitting here. I mean, I'm sharing the frustration with you. And you're like, hey, I wasn't around back then. You mentioned running. Will this group run? Because you would think on paper it would want to run.

[Sean Sweeney]

Well, when we were in Dallas, we were a top 10 pace team the year I was doing the offense and Luka Doncic was our point guard. So if Luka can be in the top 10 in pace, I think just about anybody can. And obviously his skill set is the best offense player of all time or whatever, thereabouts. But, yeah, we can run. We can get the ball up the floor. We can get over by 21 on the shot clock as a general rule here.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, we can do that. Because, you know, I think, like, there have been times in the past where LeBron would be with a group. It's something I talked about even at the start of this podcast today. And it's like, hey, you know, get out, Run. Get young people. It's like, well, LeBron is so good at dissecting everything that's happening that he actually wants to control the half court. That Luca number surprises me because again, it's somebody who's like, what do you want me to do? Just let me get the ball. I will figure it out, and then I'm still going to give you a great option the entire time. And I think Paolo on ball. That's what I've loved about him so much, is that you've got this massive human being that can play like a point guard. I don't think he actually wants to be. I don't think. I don't look at him as somebody who's like, I just want to have the ball all the time. But I think he's so good in some of these two man mismatches that he can work himself into. I wonder if it's hard to break him of the habit of. Of wanting to dissect what's happening in the half court instead of being like, hey, dude, you getting downhill with Anthony Black and some of these other guys, like, that's where we want to start the position. If we don't have, we pull it out and then we have plenty of time to run something in half court.

[Sean Sweeney]

Yeah, I think, you know how you run. You know this, like, it's not just to get fast break layups, it's to give yourself more time. If you don't get that, you know, everybody would love to hey, touch the paint quick, score the basketball or touch the paint, throw to an open guy, swing it, shot. But when you don't have that and you need to create an advantage, you need to use whatever actions you like early in a possession to create an advantage. If you're starting it at 14 on the clock or 16 on the clock, and it's slow moving and now there's a switch and an ISO and you only give yourself X amount of time, it gets harder. I mean, that's why you see in the playoffs, that's why with the spurs, we pressed every possession, take more time, start your possession later. Now you got to work against, you know, a physical ass defense and we got, you know, big fella behind us, you know, but that's why you're trying to get into things quicker. You know, like oftentimes in the playoffs we talk about adjustments and what are we going to do differently. And a lot of times it is starting with we have to play faster, get into our stuff sooner. So I think that's, you know, that's a big deal.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Just in general, is that disconnect. Just like, I think that's why coaches are always frustrated, because you just know, like, if I could get this much more effort out of you, some of our problems we fixed. And then, you know, as a player too, it's like, yeah, I'm tired, man, I'm tired, and I'm not going to be able to do this every single possession the way you want me to be able to do it. How do you, how do you hammer that message in a way that feels satisfying?

[Sean Sweeney]

Well, I mean, you just hit it, though. I think it starts with, we got to get in shape, you know, and every team has to go through some version of that. You've got to be in shape enough to do it. But I think there's, you know, how many guys you play as part of it. You know, if you're going to shorten the rotation, only play, you know, a short rotation. It's going to be harder to tell guys to run every time. It's going to be harder to tell them to give max effort. So some of it's on us as coaches to make sure we make good decisions as to how we use our rotations, how many guys we play. But then there's a level of you got to teach it, you got to emphasize it, and then sometimes you got to demand it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

What's it been like getting to know Paolo?

[Sean Sweeney]

It's been good. Yeah. I, I didn't know him, but I Knew a number of people around him prior to it. You know, Mitch Johnson, who I just worked for as a Seattle guy, went to the same high school. Spencer Hawes, who I coached, my man, Yee Hawes, he's a Seattle guy. He knew Paolo. So I got a little bit of an understanding from those guys prior to it. And since getting the job, it's been really, really, really good. I went up to Seattle a couple weeks ago, spent some time up there, working out with him, seeing how things were going up there. So I've liked it a lot. He's a smart kid. He's serious about how he wants to be a great player and a great winner in this league. And he's in great shape and working his ass off, which is important.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It feels like you've been. I don't know if luck's the right way, but different stats you've been on, like, the number one guy gets it. And a lot of your stops. Is that something that you think with your background you can get through to Paolo and being like, hey, and maybe, maybe I'm assuming too much. You're like, hey, Franz is nasty. Bain's nasty as well. But I guess when you're the number one overall pick in the early part of Paolo's career and kind of like, all right, what's that next step going to look like for him? Do you think he's had enough seasoning in the league to understand what he is tasked with beyond just getting buckets?

[Sean Sweeney]

Well, he got no choice now, but I think no. All those guys that you just mentioned, like, there's a lot of high level players on this team that are serious about winning. And, you know, as it pertains to Paulo and his teammates, you know, my job is to give them organization, structure, clarity in their roles. You know, those guys are like the main characters in this movie. I'm a supporting character and we're all essential to have a good movie made. But I've got to do a good job, and our staff has to do a good job. You know why we brought in guys like Greg Buckner and Joe Pronti still here. DJ Baker. Like those guys, like, we have to do a great job of making sure that we communicate clearly what we want them to do and then play and coach in a style that lends itself to their talents.

[Ryan Rosillo]

We mentioned you started as a video coordinator. We are. I love PJ Carlissimo going all the way back. He comes on the pod all the time. Nobody's quicker to invite you to a dinner. Give me your Favorite PJ story from having to prepare something for him. Or maybe it's just something else. It doesn't even have to be that. We love P.J. carlissimo stories.

[Sean Sweeney]

P.J. was the best because. So Popeye Jones and I were on the staff. Popeye's on the staff here. And we were preparing the game plan for playing the Knicks. I think it was on MLK Day, and we were in there all day, and it was the year the Knicks were good. J Kid was there. Like, they had that. They were the two seed. They were rolling like the Garden was back, all that stuff. And we were preparing. And so PJ makes us meet with him, and we walk into the conference room and he's got 30 box scores laid out on the table, and he's like A Beautiful Mind and they're like highlighted and circled. And we went through the game plan for, like, I mean, no bull, like two hours. And he's telling us it won't work, it won't work, it won't work. And finally goes, all right, well, if it doesn't work, it's your asses. And then the next day, he went in and sold it to the team like it was his. And so, like, he would do that where, like, you had to defend your answers all the time. And if you did, he'd roll with it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Do you look at what you've done and why you've stood out? Like, you've been talked about where I think there are some teams, I think the Lakers have done a good job with this, with their staff, where it's almost a football matchup specific game plan, where I think there's other staffs that are still even in 2026, it's like, hey, this is who we are. We'll roll the ball out. This is kind of what we want to do. Do you think there is room to be more game to game specific with game plans with the way the NBA goes about it?

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Yeah.

[Sean Sweeney]

Well, I think as long as your system and your base level is sound, you can add layers to it, you know, more likely going game to game, I think so. To me, the biggest thing now is the ability to lock in on player tendencies game to game. You have to be great at that. You have to be able to understand who these guys are on a nightly basis. But then I do think there's room to adjust your schemes based on who you're playing that night. But your foundation has to be really strong. So early in the year, you may not be able to do as much as you could late in the year. But yeah, you've got to do that to a certain extent. Like you just talked about. A lot of teams have numerous guys who can go get a bucket. So you've got to be really sound in that. But yeah, it starts with your system and your foundation. Then your game plan's got to be rock solid. And then you have to know the tendencies and be able to execute against them.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Do you think you'll ever watch that finals again?

[Sean Sweeney]

Absolutely. No. No, I have. I don't lose a lot of sleep over games. I have lost a lot of sleep over that series. Yeah. Not fun. But thanks for bringing it up.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I have more thoughts.

[Sean Sweeney]

Please, let's dive in. We're already here.

[Ryan Rosillo]

The right answer and a simple answer would be if I asked you what happened, just go, jalen Brunson happened. So I would accept that as an answer if I wanted another answer. What happened?

[Sean Sweeney]

I think a few things. One, I think there's a little attrition having to go through the previous series. Two, bad luck. They told me if the games were like 46 minutes or whatever, we would have won 4. 1. Jalen obviously had a monster game in that last one. You know, coached him in Dallas. Like, happy for him kind of. But like, I think there's some of that. And I think we just made more mistakes than we had made in the previous series. And you could maybe say some youth to that, but, like, you don't do what you did and just all of a sudden become young. The one thing I think that's a little different in the finals than the other rounds is when you have to do media in the finals. You have to answer questions even when you've played poorly or struggled. And you don't have to do that in the previous rounds. You know, those guys, like all year, if they have a longer media session, it's because they've done something good. Like you don't have 15 minutes of answering, like, why didn't you make this play? Are you too young? Are you guys on the same page? What do you think about coaches decision? So I think that's like a different deal and can obviously contribute to it. But then like you said, Jalen Brunson happened is probably a good answer too. And oh, geez. Ass. Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I mean, oh, gee, I'll never. Like, I'm already ready to apologize if I'm critical of him next year at any moment during the season because of. Because of what I think of him now as a player. You know, there's like a whole you know, there were things with OG that I loved. It's like, hey, this guy would fit on any kind of team. And then you're like, oh, is he always available? Then you look at the kind, then it's just like, okay, never mind. Like, don't worry about the little things with him, because there's. He was just a monster all playoffs and a huge difference in that series.

[Sean Sweeney]

And he's like, elite on ball, elite in different areas. On defense, I mean, do. When he was in Toronto, I think we were in Detroit, he gave us 51 time. I mean, you know, like, some guys, they're. They're far more talented than the opportunity they get every day, and you need those guys to be okay with that if you want to win. You know, like, this dude's a good player who, when he was called upon, was ready to roll. You know, I mean, he's impressive, man. He's really good.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right, so I love that you said the thing about the young thing, because that drives me crazy a little bit, too. It's like, well, then if they're young, they lose game seven at okc, so. But there did seem to be, like, a comfort gap there at times, and maybe that's just as simple as watching the lead go, I want to throw something at you because it was something I picked up on, and you can tell me if I'm crazy, if I'm wrong, because I've been wrong plenty of times. But I didn't like Wembanyama's touches. I thought there were long stretches where the guards got away from him. And the reason I feel comfortable saying that to you is that after you would have a timeout, some sort of break, whether you call the timeout or just a break in the action, and then the spurs had the ball, it seemed like there was a concerted effort from Mitch and the staff to get to the ball handler and say, hey, look, we're going to get Wemby deeper on the catch. We're going to get something better. But, like, the ball has to get back to Wembanyama on this one. And I noticed it enough to go, okay, well, then the staff is seeing what I'm seeing, and whether it's younger perimeter players having Wemby too far away and then ignoring that, he could still be an option. Maybe Wemby getting lined up too far away, one on one with the ball, into a crowd of all sorts of things. Did you feel like during that series that. And it's not being critical necessarily of the guards, but There were too many stretches where wembanyama perhaps wasn't optimized, whether it was touch or where the touch was happening.

[Sean Sweeney]

Yeah, I think there was definitely some of that. And the other thing too is like the guy doing the defense in New York, Brendan o', Connor, like, he's been in the NBA a long time, he's a good coach, like, he knows what he's doing. So some of it was what New York is trying to do to make it tough for him to get those touches as well. And I think that's why, like, you saw Mitch doing a good job of like, all right, here's how we can get him the ball with more space more often. But. And then part of it is like as a player, you know, showing those guys and trying to help them find where can you get him the ball or when someone was missed, not just him, but just in general what the right play to make was. But yeah, I think, yeah, there's some accuracy there for sure.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Last one. And I promise we get back to. Because you're like, okay, dude, I didn't realize this is a Spurs interview. I want to end on a positive here. Dylan Harper from day one to Dylan Harper in the finals. What was that like being in a front row seat?

[Sean Sweeney]

Well, one, you could see how immensely talented he was when he got there or when, like June into September, like even his first summer league game, like, this dude wants it. You know what I mean? Like, he's, he's got a chance to be like a big time player. As the year went on, he did a really good job of grasping what he needed to do to be on the floor every night on a good team and like, he's got a level of pedigree to him that he's like a winning player. You know, like, sometimes dudes are like, I want to be rookie of the year. I wish I was on a team that stinks. Well, his alternative was like, everybody is talking about you in June is like, this dude's the man. You know, so like when the two guys and Charlotte and Dallas are doing whatever they're doing, watching games, you're balling out on the biggest stage. Like, you know, there's a, there's a sacrifice that he made, but like there's a reward individually with how, how well he played, the opportunity he got. And that wasn't like a big thing for him. He just like, I'm good with it, you know, which is really impressive for a 19 year old or 20 year old, whatever he is.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, look, I Can't even put a ceiling on who he is.

[Sean Sweeney]

Andy's 6' 6, 220. He's huge. He's a big kid. He's big and strong already. Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And there's this comfort to all of it, too. And that's, I think, on top of everything you just said to be that comfortable, where I'm like, hey, get it back to the rookie in the NBA Finals. When I'm watching you and some possessions, and I go, when have you ever said that? Like, I was, I think, four when Magic did it in the finals. So it wasn't like I was yelling at the TV at four years old. It's just not supposed to happen, you know?

[Sean Sweeney]

And the other thing, too, like you talked about in the playoffs, like, a lot of times when young guys struggle, they ease up or they kind of slow up. They're not as aggressive and. And like, I think that was one of the things that those guys did a great job of is like. Like my man P.J. tucker would say, like, you got to be more fearless. You got to be more aggressive. Like, you can't go. You got to go harder. You got, like, you can't ease up. You got to get your stuff right. You got to make sure you're prepared. You got to execute upon what you're asked to do. But he embodied like, you don't slow up now. Now's the time to get going. And I think that's part of the reason why you see that success for a young guy, like, there was no easing off the gas because I'm not sure what to do.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Two quick things. We finish here. If there's one thing, like, one thing that you feel like you need to hammer to this group in Orlando on, just like, at our core, we have to be this. What is it?

[Sean Sweeney]

Team, team. We've got to be big time in all the team aspects. There's a lot of invisible plays that have to be made. And I think just in general for our group, you know, like, the measure of greatness in a team sport is what you do to elevate your teammates. This is a team game, and it doesn't mean that you can't have big time individual success, but team is where this starts.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Head coach, now work the officials a little bit here. Have you thought about. Because sometimes an assistant's like, I can get away with anything here, sort of. And then maybe they'll tell us to go back. Have you thought about your demeanor?

[Kyle]

How.

[Ryan Rosillo]

How much you're going to work the officials? Because it's Going to be. It's you now on the sideline.

[Sean Sweeney]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I remember asking Will Hardy about this. I was like, did it take you a few games to realize, like, you could get more mad at the officials? He was like, yeah. He's like, it was kind of funny. And I was like, oh, maybe I'll start getting on these guys a little bit. Have you thought about, like, I want to be like this? Although you probably can't decide to be any other way than you actually are.

[Sean Sweeney]

Yeah. I mean, I haven't put a whole lot of thought into it, but I remember during one of the COVID seasons when I had to fill in for J Kid and Marquis Chris was like, going after an official when we had Marquis Chris on our team, and I looked at him and I said, marquis, this guy doesn't respect me at all. How the hell do you think he's going to respect you? Play the game. And I forget who it was. The reflect me. He's like, you're right, I don't. So, all right, I'm going to just worry about my team, and then we'll talk to you guys as we see necessary.

[Ryan Rosillo]

What an unnecessary added piece of commentary from that official. But I almost feel like I can guess who that would be. But I love that we got. I love that we get a Marquis Chris shout in there because I loved him in the draft and then had a great kid.

[Sean Sweeney]

He got injured for us that year. He was doing a good job, but, yeah, that was the year we went to the Western Finals and lost to Golden State. But, yeah, I was like, yeah, let's just play here. Like, we can just go get a

[Ryan Rosillo]

rebound and then we go to Spencer.

[Kyle]

Ha.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Shout out. Who has a higher high approval rating down here in the South Bay? Sean, congrats, man. I know it's a dream come true, and I'm thrilled you're with this group. And we can't wait to start watching the Magic this year.

[Sean Sweeney]

No, thanks a lot. I appreciate it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

He is the voice of the ufc. He is a friend of mine, is John Anick. Good to see you again.

[John Anick]

I was actually describing you earlier today as one of my best friends, certainly my best friend in the industry. If I ever needed vice for something, contractual or otherwise, I'm coming to you. But, yeah, it's great to see you. And such is life, right? UFC Freedom 250. Sickest thing I've ever seen in my life. And then maybe this weekend, one of the sadder things I've seen, you know, in pro sports, so up and Down, Ebb and flow. Here we are.

[Ryan Rosillo]

It was a great card and then the main event happened. So let's just dig into it right there. Connor goes with the flying leg kick, which we actually saw him practicing backstage. It was clear. He was like, I'm going to come out and try to do something here. Holloway's all over it. And then as soon as he lands the knee, everybody's kind of like, why is he falling down? Like, what's going on here? So take us through your vantage point of everything that was happening.

[John Anick]

Well, there's a lot of speculation as to whether or not there was a preexisting injury for Conor McGregor. That does not appear to be the case. I think he just put a lot of pressure on that knee with what Joe Rogan would probably describe as a wayward decision to throw a switch roundhouse kick right out of the chute. But Connor thought he could execute it and he couldn't. And obviously he paid the ultimate price. Now, what type of decisions has he made over the last five years that maybe didn't put his body in an optimal position to compete in mixed martial arts after a layoff like this? I don't know. Right, but fair.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I think that's fair. Five years off, I don't know that he's been the picture of fitness. Every piece of footage that we've seen, but go ahead.

[John Anick]

Right. And you know, he has a titanium rod in one leg. And I was wondering aloud, did he put in 16 weeks of hell to have a crazy cardiovascular base for a 25 minute fight, or was he maybe looking at this as an 8 or 10 minute affair to go in there, try to get the job done, as he often does, quickly, and get out of there? You know, one thing I said on the broadcast, Max Holloway has more title fight time than any fighter in UFC history. Almost nine hours in championship fights in that fucking octagon for Max Holloway. Nine hours.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Nine hours of just title fights.

[John Anick]

Just title.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You're the best. That's such an incredible stat.

[John Anick]

Well, is that not an advantage, Right? I mean, you know anyone who's like, oh, man, I bet on Connor. I don't know what to tell you intellectually. Right? I mean, I didn't.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't know how. I mean, look, I think all of us. I've been lucky enough to be in that building for a Conor fight. And when you're in Vegas and it's just lined with Irish lads already arrested in cuffs in the hallways, you know, that fight that I went to 10 years ago, I'm like, it is still one of the greatest events that I've ever experienced, but it was Pete Connor. So I think anybody that loves this sport, you're always enamored with the idea of him.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Even though it just. This is not what happens. You don't get to take five years off. And I don't know that he was in fight mode the entire time. When you're older, fighting sucks. And so I'm like, everybody else going, like, is there any chance? Is there any chance? But I don't know that any sane person is thinking, like, he has set himself up for a really competitive. And look, the credit to him is that he's like, all right, I'll take on Max. Like, I'll go at Max. You're like, this is brutal. And so even with all of that, I didn't really necessarily like his chances. And, you know, look, I don't want to get ahead of ourselves here and say, like, Max is like, hey, we need to run it back. Which I thought was respectful. That was the least approved statement I've ever heard.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like, yeah. No one in the building was like, yeah, dude, let's do it. Let's run it back. Just silence.

[John Anick]

Well, I think it's hard, right? It's hard for us as commentators to come up with the proper words. And I think for Max, you know, he comes over to the booth and sort of gives me one of these hands in the air, and I don't really know how to respond to Max, even physically in that moment. You know, there's so much to unpack here. Conor McGregor could have asked Dana White and Hunter Campbell for Michael Chandler, a fight that a lot of us felt as though the ship had sailed on. But it would have been a more winnable fight, at least on paper. Conor McGregor might have been a 21 favorite against Michael Chandler, but if he still tried this move, he could have gone injured and this would have been even more disastrous. But I agree with you, right? To fight Max Holloway, who's been in it the entire time Max has been at the top championship training camp, one after the other, the entire time that Conor's been doing whatever he has been doing. Now, the optimist in me would actually submit to you that if this is a meniscus and even if it is an acl, that Conor could come back for one. And certainly if Nate Diaz was the opposition, that's a competitive fight that maybe Conor would be favored in. But what exactly is the goal here and what are Conor McGregor's goals? I think he was back for the right reasons. I think he's found sobriety. I think he's clean. But. But I just, I don't know exactly what we're trying to do here. And if this is a torn acl, you know, maybe this is the final nail in the coffin and what a disappointing conclusion it would be.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So you are 100% on board with like that this was not a preexisting condition.

[John Anick]

Well, I mean, I'd like to give the athlete and the head coach the benefit of the doubt. I can lean into his warm up in the back. That looked pretty good. I can certainly look at the visual that we showed, not for speculative purposes on the broadcast, and see him in the inspection zone. And it's not a great visual. You know, when I saw him at the ceremonial weigh in putting his sneakers on. And you can tell Connor's been out of the game because we don't even take our pants off anymore when we weigh in. That's ceremonial. You've already weighed in in the morning. Right. Most of the athletes don't even derobe like that. But he's so out of practice, he takes his pants off, then goes to put his sneakers back on. And I'm thinking he's putting his sneakers back on for the stare down. But you know, maybe he's doing that because of an injury. I don't think it was pre existing. I just think, hey, man, like I went for a run in Vegas when I was out there and I was really sore. So the next day I stretched and I hurt my shoulder stretching. Now I'm 10 years older than him. But you know, when you get older, it doesn't get easier. And in this sport, it's absolutely ruthless.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, look, that part of it makes sense. I think everybody wants everything to have like another layer of conspiracy no matter what. Which is also why there's so many times there's something sketchy may be happening. And I'm just so desensitized to the audience going, it can't just be disappointing. Right? It can't just be disappointing. The angle, the, the torque that he's putting on that knee with that move. I think you've made a great point there that maybe he was just like, this isn't going 25 minutes. So like I'm coming out like a madman. And Connor, like, is always up for the fight too, which, you know, you have to throughout his career be like, this guy is ready for it. He isn't just one of Dana's all time favorites because of the money side of it, he's one of Dana's favorites, because we've had Dana on in the past where Dana's like, hey, that guy is ready to go. Like, of all the managing that goes into all of these egos and guys going, like, I want to be a badass, but I'd kind of like to have my own path to badass ism, you know, Like, Conor has never really been one of those guys that is looking to avoid anything. And so, look, you've been around this sport for such a long time, far closer than I ever have. But if there's one constant is that old fighters don't really stop. So we can sit here and say that there's no market for him because of this. I just don't think that'll be true. Yeah, he's not going to say the. Right.

[John Anick]

He's not going to stop.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right, so go ahead.

[John Anick]

He'll fight on Netflix at some point in time, right? He has one fight left on his UFC contract. He'll be in big fights. And maybe there would be a boxing match down the line with Floyd Mayweather. I'm certainly not expectant nor hopeful that we're going to see any of that noise. I still want to see if he can compete in mixed martial arts at a somewhat high level. I do believe that if you look at the top 25 in the welterweight division, for example, maybe you could find a fight there for him, you know? But, yeah, I believe that he has it within him. His competitive spirit is such that he's going to be back. The only visual that really gave me pause in terms of conspiracy theorists out there or speculation, and I'm sure you would agree with this, when he hit the tunnel and went through his usual walkout in the motions, he didn't have that usual look in his eye. He wasn't smiling, looking like he's on the fringe of just lunaticism. You know what I mean? And even when he did the billionaire strut in the Octagon, he didn't have that usual look in his eye. Now, that could be because it's been a long time. That could be because he wasn't necessarily budding with confidence in the matchup. Or it could be because, you know, he got injured either in the back or during training camp. Who knows? But for people to lean all the way into the fact that he went to a healing center in California and say, oh, he must have been injured, there were a lot of people who felt like betting on Max Holloway was an all Time, great investment. Whether Conor was injured or not.

[Ryan Rosillo]

If you were a writer, you could talk about Conor passing the public baton to Patty, the baddie in this moment. And maybe there's too many similarities, size, there's some personality similarities there that you get into it. And Patty after the Gaethje fight, like it was a loss, but I think collectively everybody felt better about Patty after that fight. For him to go in and kind of recapture his momentum side by side with Conor like that, that felt like maybe, like, again, if I were right, I don't even know if it's real or not, but I would be writing to that idea that this Conor thing is now totally over. But it isn't from a fighting standpoint, but the. The hopefulness that you have about a Conor moment to then Patty kind of recapturing the imagination of everyone in there that seemed to be so behind him and how dominant he was with that early choke.

[John Anick]

I love the way you tied that together. Patty Pimlet's the man. He could have come to the UFC when he was 21, he could have come when he was 23 years of age, but he, and this is a direct quote, wanted to be a proper athlete when he got here. And I think because of his Persona and his ability to orate and captivate the masses by just being himself and being, you know, comedically great, you know, people lose sight of the martial artist and just how good a grappler he is, right? There's so many guys who don't know their way around a submission and he has tons of them and just submitted maybe the most hardened guy in the division and choked him unconscious. So I love the total package. He, I think, was a superstar before Saturday night, but this is going to take it just to an entirely different level. And for him, I think it's really just about the championship and if he can get the championship, interim or otherwise, right? Then you're talking about a kid who can defend his title in Liverpool and then you really are talking about global superstardom. So it was a huge night for Patty. He's a great human being and yeah, he's gone about a lot of things the right way, but it's been a huge year for him. Learning lesson against Gaethje and to do what he did with that showcase with that many eyeballs on him. He's the man, dude. He's got a lot of support from not just, you know, the fans, but me and a lot of people on the staff as well.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Is it weird when they want to come over and celebrate with you, because there's no other sport like that.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Really?

[John Anick]

Yeah. So it's interesting because I'm a promoter and not a journalist, right? And my biggest initiative is try to promote these athletes, humanize them, make people at home care. And it's always interesting when people say, and I always quote Rick Patino, you know, Larry Bird's not walking through that door. Kev McHale's not walking through that door, right? They say, oh, you know, you got no Connor Israel Adesanya's on the way out. Jon Jones. And then Lex Poiton Potato walks through the door and becomes the biggest superstar in UFC history. Or Ilia Topuri becomes a massive star, right? There's always another star. But, yeah, it's unique, right? Like, maybe the greatest moment of my career was when Amanda Nunes retired and came and kissed me on the forehead, right? That's maybe the best thing that's ever happened to me, because she's the consensus, greatest of all time. And it was just, I think, an appreciation for us promoting her and doing right by her and. But, yeah, it is unique. You know, there's no rooting interest. You know, I've had to call, I think, five or six of Daniel Cormier's fights before he retired. So, you know, long past sort of having to check the friendship at the door. But certainly, I have a far closer personal relationship with Patty Pimplett than Benoit Santini. So, yeah, we're gonna stick out. We want the high five. You know, Rogan says, we're professional fans. I think that's really what we are.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I was not critical of it. I actually just think it's. I think it's cool. I think it's a smaller family. You know, you're part of this roadshow. And honestly, like, you guys are so good on the call that I don't even know that it was even brought up as a thing. I just thought it was an incredible camera angle, because in the middle of you calling out the moment, the emotion of that moment, Patty's standing over you and goes left to right, D.C. rogan. And then you're, like, mid sentence and giving it up on the broadcast while also trying to maintain the athleticism of a. Of a high five at that angle, which is not easy.

[John Anick]

Right? I'm just trying to get my high five, you know? I mean, don't want to be left out, you know, fear of missing out on the high five.

[Ryan Rosillo]

What's next?

[John Anick]

What is next? I'm actually going to Serbia. I'm supposed to go To Max Holloway's inaugural golf tournament in Hawaii on Sunday, July 19th. Monday, July 20th. Right. And how about this? And then Serbia later in the month. Max doesn't have a scratch on him. He doesn't. He didn't fight and now shower. I'm right. So how you find out? Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Can you find out if he even showered?

[John Anick]

I will. Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well, he probably has to get a little bit of a lather going.

[John Anick]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

In the back. Yeah.

[John Anick]

But imagine, right? And I don't know the extent to which he's a golfer, and I know you got to go, but imagine, right, you have your inaugural golf tournament coming up and you don't even have to compete. Right? I mean, I don't know how much money he made, but good on you, Max, because he earned it.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Where can we check out the pod?

[John Anick]

It's on YouTube. We're about to go two hours live and a lot to talk about, but yeah, buddy, it's great to catch up with you.

[Sean Sweeney]

Always.

[John Anick]

I hope to see you at a live event. I think we're going back to Los Angeles later this year, so.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All right, L. A, you stay in my place and then keep the per

[John Anick]

diem and we'll just tell Dana White that it's Ryan Rossillo using my tickets and he'll put them on the floor. Right?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, no, I definitely. I want that. And I want to be graphic as Alex Caruso, bro.

[John Anick]

I mean, I said Shakur Stevenson, for the record, you know, I mean, I know a 5 foot 6 inch man when I see one, but, dude, like, these celeb shots are how I get in trouble, you know, like pop culturally. I'm not locked in, so I need pronunciations on actors. And then, you know, they fought the boxer that we've just signed as an NBA player. So I'm trying to call fights and do promos. The celebs are the bane of my existence.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Great card, though. I mean, I know the main event sucks, but it was a great card. And you guys are great as always. Thanks for the time, man. You want details?

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Fine.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up?

[Sean Sweeney]

I have a ridiculous house in the south fork.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I have every toy you can possibly imagine, and best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Life advice. The email address is lifeadvicermail.com I feel like we have a lot to get to here, a lot of housekeeping before some excursions. We got fucking Dennis Connor over here. America's cup. For those watching on Netflix. I'd say Stars and stripes, but I forget to wear the stars. You get some double stripes going on.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

All right.

[Kyle]

Yeah. Unplanned, but you know, hey, Kyle's like, two guys have style.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Okay, so I've got a travelogue that'll be coming up. An excursion here upon us soon. House sitters are excited that I'll be gone. Security, what else do we need to do here? We have a Kyle travelogue from his day, Dan Barry, and I am telling you right now, it delivers in ways I never even thought. I didn't doubt Kyle, but it is. I wanted it to be incredible.

[Kyle]

Like I really did. Like I did not.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I got to leave wanting more.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Isn't that the thing with the travelog business? You have to leave wanting more.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't know that I've ever thought of that. Mine are pretty long.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

What do we do with this thing? Do we have it like a standalone travelog with Kyle when the show? Because we're still going to have shows every week, but we will be releasing, you know, pre taped shows. So do we do this as a standalone surprise one day or we just throw it in Thursday's potential.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

It's 15 minutes. I don't know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

That's like. I love that statement.

[Kyle]

I kind of think it's great though. Yeah. Honestly, I vote on its own, I vote we just drop it Special surprise in the next couple weeks. And when people see it, it's going to be.

[Ryan Rosillo]

There's no rule.

[Kyle]

It just.

[Ryan Rosillo]

There's no rule. It has to be an hour of pontificating about salary bullshit. Let's just have an episode that magically appears. So that way, you know, sub numbers are good. So I don't know that this is some sort of gimmick, but yeah, just have a standalone Kyle, he has to read the intro, he has to do the teases.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

I got to do the draftkick stuff.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, yeah, you do. Everybody cool with that?

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

I did that one ad read and everyone lost their minds because I had the weird non confident low voice. I forget what that was. It was a couple years ago. People were like, what the hell was that? I think you were gone. And I had to read it. There was some sort of thing that was bad. So I'm looking to redeem myself. There. That'll work.

[Ryan Rosillo]

BoxofAwesome.com Dude, I love. Okay, so we've got that covered. And then today with Sean Sweeney, who this has never happened before as we finish up and he's still on the zoom. He says, hey, is Kyle here?

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Yeah, dude, I'm still there. I was like, what?

[Kyle]

He's like, did we get into a fight 10 years ago somewhere in Poughkeepsie? What's going on? No.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So you guys had met at a cigar bar before?

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Yeah, after he left, I was just talking to Saruti. You ran out to the other room for some reason, but I think you could still hear us with your AirPods and stuff, if you're in range. But I was just.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I heard it all.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Okay. I was just telling him, like, those first two summer leagues, like, I was basically just acting like I was in Vegas, and Tate was kind of leading me around. And Tate, like, you know, basketball guy. He's a relationship guy. And, you know, I'd heard Sean Sweeney's name for a lot, you know, a lot of my career, I guess, because Tate's known him forever. And every once in a while, Tate will just, like, pull up to someone. You know what it's like in the wind when you're just moving around in there. You run into guys. Yeah. And he was, I think, one of the guys that I was with. But again, I was just sort of super unprofessional in Vegas the first year or two. So that one may have slipped through the cracks. But once, once he told me about it, I remembered immediately.

[Ryan Rosillo]

He wants to take. Primarily, though, like, I don't know, man.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

I don't know. Being in those, you know, get. The biggest thing I remember about that first one was just getting removed from the. The arena because I had beers in the media section with my sunglasses on. It was like, looking back, it's. So Tate was like, dude, Mitch Kopcheck saw all that. That sucks. I was like, I'm sorry.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'm sorry.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

So, you know, I really started to tighten up after that one. But, yeah, those first. That first one specifically was just.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't remember a ton of. Well, it sounds like you've got a place to stay when you're in the greater Orlando area. I think he likes you a lot. What is that? Was that the orphan commercial? Take me fishing. Can we get it on that? You know what I'm saying? Look up orphan commercial.

[Kyle]

I don't know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah.

[Kyle]

All right.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Is this an age gap thing or is this, like, half?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Oh, definitely.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I mean, I don't know how old that ad is, what year to come out.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Type in orphan commercial.

[Kyle]

Google orphan commercial. Fishing.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Maybe we go foster care. I feel like orphan is a harsher term. Foster care feels a Little softer.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Yeah. I'm getting, like, YouTube feel good stuff. I don't think that's what it is.

[Ryan Rosillo]

There was some orphanage farm.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Yeah, that's not it.

[Kyle]

Yeah, those, like, Third world country videos where the guy builds, like, a hot tub out of clay. That's what I'm getting right now. Basically. You know what I'm talking about. I do.

[Ryan Rosillo]

And then it's like an Arkansas something. So. All right, I derailed it a little bit there. I'm gonna find that. I'm gonna find that quote.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

But, yeah, that was a good one. That was a big win for me. And then I think Max Homa had a surprising, like, you know, knew who I was sort of deal. So those were two big ones.

[Kyle]

There you go.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Yeah. Feeling good today at my L.L. bean stuff.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

So hearing stuff.

[Kyle]

I don't want to.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

That's going to be.

[Kyle]

The only problem is we can't really pepper you with questions about the Dan Barry Experience until this thing airs. Right.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

I'll just say L.L. bean was awesome and wish we had. Wish we had more of those.

[Ryan Rosillo]

When you said champ sports, I just. I.

[Kyle]

You're, like, definitely going to hit up champs. I was like, yeah, let's go.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Well, it's just one of those. That's not. It's not in the area. There's, like, other stuff, but see what a Connecticut Lids holds, You know, it's just going to be different.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. What's Connecticut Lids like?

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

There's a few more Patriots options, I'll tell you that.

[Ryan Rosillo]

That's good to know. All right, a couple feedback emails here. This was an interesting one that may have made me change my mind about our cat guy. That was like, hey, these cats sort of suck. Can I get rid of them? I think collectively we're like, that's sort of on you to do that. We had a guy, somebody else said, had this opinion. You're a human. They are animals. How about, enjoy your limited time on Earth? I don't know.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Meaning? Meaning what? Like, get them out of there right now.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, that's what it.

[Kyle]

Just throw them outside.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Yeah, you're a human. I mean, you should have more money than you have right now. Go take some. Where does it end?

[Kyle]

I don't know. Yeah, that sucks. I mean, that's. I don't know what else needs to be said.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

You have to go to the bathroom right now. Don't look for a bathroom. You're a human. Enjoy your time.

[Kyle]

Just go.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Go behind that street. Yeah, right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't know that that's what he's

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

saying, I know it's not, but I mean, where's it at?

[Kyle]

I don't know, man. There's some, there's some level as you get older of like personal responsibility where it's like, hey dude, like, you made this decision like these animals didn't ask you to adopt them and like now you're putting them in a bad spot. Maybe, maybe follow through on. On. On something. I don't know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Just a thought, I think. Both good points. Both good points. But that's not going to go over well. That email's not going to go over well. I just thought it was efficient to the point that guy's. Is that guy a terrible roommate? Is he a great roommate? Selfless lover. You always know what you're getting though.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

At least you always know what you're getting.

[Ryan Rosillo]

This is something I need to clean up because I keep pointing out Westbrook as my. If Westbrook grew up playing soccer, he would be good at soccer because I think he's the best athlete I've ever seen play basketball. And we've gotten this email a couple times here and I think I'm open to having my mind change for this specific reason. Westbrook would be an awful soccer player. Love the pod. Generally agree with your soccer taste, but saying Westbrook growing up playing soccer and he'd be great is dumb. Westbrook is a 17 year vet. He still makes the same obvious mistakes. 17 years in, he's not a winning player. He couldn't figure out basketball, how could he figure out soccer? Fair point. Because obviously there's elements of West Brooks game that I'm not a huge fan of, despite being enamored with his athleticism, which I'll even get pushback on that. But I think he's the best athlete that's ever played in the NBA. But if you want to hammer me on like, hey, he makes these simple mistakes and mental lapses, I guess I wasn't really looking at it that way. I was looking at his size, his conditioning, his athleticism. If that guy grows up playing soccer. If you want to make it more specific now that I have to pick a smaller, quick athlete with great conditioning that doesn't ever make any mistakes. I have to pick a receiver, like, doesn't do anything wrong, like, you got me. But maybe I'll stop saying Westbrook. I just have a hard time believing that Westbrook the athlete would be a bad thing growing up in youth soccer,

[Kyle]

the one that you always said or the one that when it would be, say that I thought you should have said, is like, Odell Beckham Jr. Right, because he's like, what, he's six. Is he six feet? Is he five' 11? Great athlete. He actually has a bit of a soccer background now. I think a lot of those guys that are like, oh, he plays football, but he's also good at soccer. It's like, hey, man, you can, like, kind of kick a ball and maybe you could juggle a little bit. A little bit. But, like, you're not actually good at soccer.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Shadow Christian Gonzalez. Christian Gonzalez.

[Kyle]

Is he a soccer guy? I don't know.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Say, what if he was?

[Kyle]

He's big, though, isn't he?

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like, he's like, somebody got a new pat. Slid.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Got a little patch on the side.

[Kyle]

Yeah. Number zero. Yeah. I always went back to, like, slot receivers, you know? Would Wes Welker be a good fullback? Probably, you know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Well, what about. I mean, Julian Edelman goes from quarterback to probably hall of Fame career. I don't know if he gets in or not, but usually you win enough. The NFL, I think their hall of Fame, the Pro Football hall of Fame, rewards winning with its players, which I think is terrific. But if Edelman can go from college quarterback to that level of wide receiver, like, you don't think Jules wouldn't figure out soccer if he started? I mean, maybe it doesn't. I mean, to sit there and say, like, oh, he is guaranteed to be on the U.S. men's National Team is a bit of a stretch to make, even make that statement. But, you know, we don't need to get bogged down on all this again. I may adjust my Westbrook example, though, because it's a fair point.

[Kyle]

That's. By that logic, wouldn't you say that, like, any professional athlete who just decided he wanted to play a different sport at a certain age would just be a pro? That's what you're saying.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Kyler Murray.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'm just kidding. Not necessarily, no. Because, I mean, even I was listening to a lot because I was driving around Montana so much last week. Can I just do an aside on Montana real quick? I went to a rodeo. Cale Smith. All Time Ride. All time ride. He just. His mount was going full steam right into the aluminum railings of the crowd. Full steam ahead. And Cale didn't fucking flinch. Stayed on that thing. Got it to back up off of the railing like, inches away from just smashing into the railing on a horse as fast as he possibly could. And Cale controlled it. He controlled his emotions. He got his eight seconds. I think he won. Team Roping. Is way harder. Bat guys got just a brutal. Brutal. Then they brought out the little buckaroos. The first time I saw that, I'm like, what the hell? Did something get loose? I'm like, there's a kid on there with a hockey mask. Just. They never. They never stay on.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

And he's got a great name. Yeah, he's got a great name. I love all their names, too.

[Ryan Rosillo]

All the names are incredible.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

It's like they're born to ride. It's like, this is what. This is your path, dude. You're a rootin tootin ropin sob.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I love it so much out there. I mean, it was like fake. Fake world. To be there for a week and then still be able to work. And then I had, like, two other things, so it was an awesome. I bought a new hat, too, Kyle. Hat buddies. But I would say if I were younger and maybe the social scene isn't going that well for me. I think there's a real side door into socializing and maybe even women start anew out there. Because I used to despise snowboarder. Smoke weed every night. Guy with no personality. Back in college. Because I'd go, he's not really. There's not a lot there, guys. And then girls would like him. He doesn't even have to do anything. He always has weed. And he just came from the mountain. And then everybody just says he's chilling.

[Kyle]

Like, maybe on. Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like, he's kind of. I've never heard him say anything interesting. He's not funny. I don't even know if he's fast. Like, straight line guys are usually kind of hot, though.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

They're.

[Kyle]

They're decent, you know? That's snowboarder guys.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I'm not saying he's ugly, but I wouldn't say he's hot.

[Kyle]

All right.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

So don't get me started on lateral quickness.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah. I think if I were, like, in my 20s or something, I would grow out some sort of Riley Greene thing, maybe hit the curls. And it's sure it helps if you're tall, obviously, but maybe you wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. But I think you could just mill around these communities for a little while.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Pearl snaps.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, exactly, Kyle. Exactly. I think there's a way to kind of. But then you don't want to be Don Cheadle and Boogie Nights where it's like, what the is this? You didn't ease us into this at all, man. This is a lot. So I think you'd have to Maybe I'm doing it right now. Maybe this is about me. I didn't even realize it.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

You're headed back to summer, though, right? You usually go twice.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I usually go twice, yeah. I'm going to go to the other parts of Montana. Everybody says don't go too.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

I want to.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I want to be well rounded.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Yeah, that'll. That'll up your chops a little bit.

[Sean Sweeney]

Definitely.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

If you're feeling any sort of, you know, imposter syndrome. Yeah, go. Go to one of those places. Come back with some stories.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I haven't been to Idaho at all though, so that's.

[Kyle]

I was gonna say Idaho. You ever see like that thing where people would, like, they'll circle, like the little, like the little sliver of Idaho that connects to Canada and there's like, what's going on up here? Like, what are we. Who's up here about? Like, what's going on?

[Ryan Rosillo]

I don't know a lot. I've driven through it, but that was not my favorite day.

[Kyle]

All right. When I drove through, I'd have another chance. Potatoes.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I didn't. I didn't want to give anything a chance there. I remember it was like, I was like, oh, yeah, nine years ago, that's where you had that super depressing burger before you got on your flight. Bozeman. It was a good time. I was like, oh, the most depressed burger you've ever had was right in there. But the thing is, I put my head up, I walk down the street, I'm high fiving strangers like, let's get some lines in the water. You know, that's what you got to do. All right, adult swim rules. This one's long. 6, 2, 200, early 40s. More of a 3 sets of 12 than a max out type of guy. I've been told my looks comp is a poor man's John Hamm. Jesus, that's like still one of the hottest guys going.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Yeah, that's awesome.

[Ryan Rosillo]

He sent us a note here. We appreciate the note, but because it's long, we'll keep moving and good to hear all the good news. All right, back to the email. My wife and I live in a major east coast city, have a 10 month old. Rather than travel further to our pre baby destinations, we joined one of the beach clubs an hour outside of the city. I'm a partner at a boutique law firm. My wife is a financial analyst. So we're solidly upper middle class for our area. As such, the beach club isn't totally our scene because these places seem to be a bit of a time warp where Murray and Gertie have been going for over 40 years. Shout out to them and they have theme parties each week where people do things like wear large Temu Uncle Sam hats. Anyway, there's a pretty decent pool and a pretty decent beach. I've debated about joining a country club. I just don't know that I'm going to be great at those events. So I don't know. I've noticed that a lot of people are like, you don't have to. You don't have to get a seer. Sucker for our. It's like, maybe I should get a seersucker. Anyway, pretty decent pool, pretty decent beach. And the teenagers who work there make everything entirely convenient. Fitting our new parents lifestyle as acknowledged interlopers into this slightly odd and amusing subculture, we have been on our best behavior by, say, tipping generously, being friendly to anyone who wants to talk to us. Today though, I apparently stepped out of line and retribution was swift. Over the years, adult swimming has taken on many meanings in many contexts. But today I'd like to talk about an actual OG adult swim. From 10:30am to 11:00am and 2:30pm to 3:00pm adult swim takes place at our beach club. All the kids sadly leave the pool, except for the few bold ones who force the lifeguards to kick them out and octogarians who come out of the woodwork and then stand around. Oh, octogenarians, sorry. Octogenarians come out of the woodwork and stand around kibitzing with each other for what seems like the best half hour of their day. Anyway, it's the highlight.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

For sure. It's the highlight.

[John Anick]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

So it sounds like we're going to have a good old Adult Swim rule face off thing. All right, a couple more paragraphs. Anyway, right before the afternoon session of Adult Swim today, it was my turn to watch our 10 month old for a bit. I hit the pool. My dude's in a great mood. We're gently baby splashing off to the side all by ourselves. Adult Swim starts. I don't think much of it because surely no one's going to take offense to a dad playing with his obviously happy baby off to the side of the pool. That's where I was wrong. About five minutes into Adult Swim, the friendly, overly bronze 16 year old lifeguard comes up to me, says, sir, I'm sorry, this isn't coming from me, but there have been complaints about you being in the pool with your son.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

That was awesome.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You have to get out with him not being one to accost teenagers on their summer jobs, I just say okay and start getting out of the pool. However, as I'm walking up the steps and my back is literally burned, a few of the regulars take the opportunity to heckle me and my infant son, weakly wheezing out a few admonishments like he isn't an adult. They call it Adult Swim Now, I'm not a bad person, but I'm not an actual good turn the other cheek type of person either. Still, I say nothing back and proceed to walk to my wife. As I'm explaining to her what just transpired, an idea dawns on me. The old timers decided to focus on the adult part of the swim, but I could very easily just focus on the swim part of the adult swim. My wife is essentially my morality barometer, and when I tell her my plan, she mostly just smiles amusedly. So I've got her green light now. I didn't go full on Michael Phelps on the circle of kibitzing Murray's, but I made it clear to them through my actions when I got back into the pool that about 15% of the pool was now my swimming lane for the rest of adult swim and they were now going to have to confine themselves to the other 85%. There was some grumbling and a bit of testing my will by a few of the Murrays, but they backed down and after I swam by them at full speed a few times. So for your consideration, two sets of questions. First, adult swim, should it be black and white, thou shall not participate until you're old enough to join the army type of thing and under circumstances, do any non adults belong in the pool? Or are there potential case by case exceptions like a dad watching his happy quiet infant off to the side to preserve mom's sanity, assuming if the baby started misbehaving, I'm socially cognizant enough to leave the pool on my own. Second response to infant heckling, which I'm going to go on a limb and assume you'll all come down against. Did my retribution of taking up 15% of the pool during their cherished adult swim fit the crime?

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

I'll just say this part, I mean a off the bat you're wrong. It's one of these people get two 30 minute windows where they feel like they've taken back something like whether it's stupid or not, like whatever. I'm resigned to that. And when people start talking about like yeah, I know what the rule is, but my kid just wants to do this, I kind of become out. I don't have a kid. I understand the, you know, you want to give your kids everything you didn't have and even more, and you want them to be happy kids. But as soon as we start talking about skirting around the explicit rules because my kid just wants to do this, I think that's nothing against the kid. There shouldn't be any infant heckling going on. But you've lost me, and I think you've lost the plot once you're like, yeah, but my kid, like, I understand, but you're wrong. That's all I'll say.

[Kyle]

Right? It's kind of like the. The Chipotle thing, right? Like one person. Like, you start making excuses for things and you know, all right, then like, all. Next thing you know, like, 10 babies are in the pool. And then it's like, hey, just. There's like a kid's section of the pool. And if I'm. Yeah. Like, if I'm an older adult and I get to enjoy this guy. I was like one hour of the day to myself of kids not cannonballing separate parts. Yeah, yeah. Like, I remember. So, like, I. We had a. We were. We. I think it was high school, middle school, high school. We belonged to a. To a pool club up in town growing up. Shout out to Mountain Grove. And as a kid, like, that was the end of the world. It was like, like that. Those 30 minute windows were like, brutal.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Like such a hot dog.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

You'll be fine.

[Kyle]

And you're just like, how could this possibly be a thing? And then like, you're an adult and you're like, oh, yeah. Because, like, you know, if I belong to this thing, like, I just want a little bit of peace and quiet. Just like, not have like, you know, pool noodles being thrown at me or what. God knows what from these kids. So I, Yeah, it sucks. But like, it kind of has to exist. The rule is fair. And yeah, I'm not into like heckling kids, but you are wrong here.

[John Anick]

This is.

[Kyle]

This is like, you couldn't just. This is also a pool and a beach club. You couldn't like, go to the beach part of. Like, there's got to be something else, some other place, body of water situation. There's not a kiddie pool that you could have taken your baby to. Like, you have to be in the main pool for this. Like, I just. Maybe there isn't. And I'm just, you know, that was your only option. But yeah, like, this is an L. It's.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

I Mean, these people move states to communities where they don't even let middle aged people in. And so if they want 30, they want the 30 minutes allotted to them without children. Whatever. It's, it is what it is. I mean, I, I almost get like, I almost treat it like kids again. It's like, just let them have the thing. It's fine, you know, so, yeah, I think you're wrong when you say things like, to preserve my wife's sanity, I'm just gonna stay in during adult swim. It's like you're, you're sloughing your problems off onto other people's when there's rules about it. And listen, I want to be on your side. I hope you continue to listen, but I just, I think your perspective's a little off when it comes to old people. You got to use maybe kid gloves.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, yeah, I think you guys are right. I mean, there's, there's two windows here to be on the emailer side, like them heckling you. But you got to understand, like, you're new here. Somebody's tried to pull this move probably every week of every summer for like 60 years that these other people have been going there.

[Sean Sweeney]

All right?

[Ryan Rosillo]

So they have no, no patience whatsoever for like new guy going. I'm sure this is fine. And yes. Is your kid doing anything? No. Does it mean they're anti baby? No, but it's pretty defined. 10:30 to 11, 2:30 to 3. All those other minutes are yours. All those other minutes, you can do whatever you want. And if you've ever been to like anything that's resembling a community pool to even a high end country club, where then kids are allowed in on the social membership, like through the family, like people that join a golf course, but they only do it for the social membership, just so their kids can go fucking wild and order a thousand wraps on their member number. Like, that's not relaxing. It isn't. So I think you have to look at them and go, all right, so fine, the kid is under a year. Then what two? You know, it's like, okay, it's okay for adults. And then babies under one. Like, you just can't even.

[Kyle]

He's 18 months, but he looks to.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

We're breaking up the yardstick.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Your argument is this kid is not disrupting anything that they're doing. It's not about you. It's not about your baby. It's a fight against the progression of what is the point of us having adult swim time?

[Kyle]

And now you've also Pissed them off even further with the 50% lap pool thing. I mean, maybe you're not looking to make friends. I totally understand that.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

But

[Kyle]

I'd imagine you're going to be getting some looks now even beyond that.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, the Caddyshack Caddy's Welcome 1 to 1:15.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

I mean, these people, you got to think like this is like a small part of your day. Like, these people are already talking about tomorrow's adult swim today. Like this is important to them. And it's like really, when you just have less, when you don't work, you have much less going on. And the little things become so much more important. And I think a little bit of grace is involved in this.

[Kyle]

I, I, I will say, I think there is a part of the old, the old crew. What are they? The Octillions, what do you call them? I don't even know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Octogenarians.

[Kyle]

Sure.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I left out.

[Kyle]

I think there's a part of them that also love that you did this. So they can like just discipline someone though. Like they actually, they actually like this. They want, they want to put you in your place. Which I get, that does piss me. That would piss me off too. But hey, man, don't, I don't know, don't feed their, don't feed their ego.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Right. They were, they were hungry for fired

[Kyle]

up to lay down the law. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Like, oh yeah. George really let him have it today. Yeah.

[Kyle]

Another, Another noob doesn't get it. Yeah,

[Sean Sweeney]

All right.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I think we've covered that one. Do we do this guy sent it twice. It's really that important. All right. Six, one, two, three, five. Mid 50s. Bench, 419. Oh, I'm glad we read it now. Squat 575. Deadlift 596. And no, those are not lifetime PRs from the Bush administration. All within the last year. Mid 50s, bro. I was, I'm afraid I glad I didn't, I didn't miss.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Sorry we didn't catch you the first time, man.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, apologies all within the last year, no basketball comps. Peaked early as the mvp. My seventh and eighth grade teams where I absolutely dominated the paint until everyone else inconveniently kept growing and developed actual basketball skills. One of our departments got an interim leader while the regular manager is out on medical leave. New guys, probably early 40s. Good looking dude, in shape, dressed well, very normal and friendly. We've talked to him handful of times about work, life, et cetera. Totally good guy. But here's the issue. This dude smells incredible. Not in an overpowering Vegas nightclub way either. Just subtle. Expensive quote. This guy probably has his passport renewed before expiration. Kind of smell. What a great description. I'm not a clone guy at all. Last bottle I owned was bought for me by my ex wife 15 years ago. And I'm pretty sure I saw ceremonially threw it away sometime during the divorce process. But I'm engaged now and I started thinking maybe it wouldn't kill me to occasionally smell like something other than Irish Spring and Costco hoodie. So my question is, how does one grown man. How does one grown straight man ask another grown straight man about what cologne he's wearing without making the interaction weird? Because in my head, hey man, not to get into your personal business here, but whatever, consent wise, too many words. Strong work, too many words, he says, that feels insane. Is this actual normal guy behavior? Am I overthinking it or is there a better way to phrase this? Appreciate it. 315 on incline. No experience with fragrance.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Some guys actually funny and strong. Some guys are like evangelists for their sense. Sounds like this guy cool. Probably wouldn't be as, you know, excited to tell you, but I had a guy on fourth of July over, he's like, he's like, you like this. I was like, I got my own set. I'm a dg, light blue guy. And he goes, he's like, this is clone. It's called clone. And you just, you can get everything you want. Just tell him what you like. And he's like trying to push it on me. I'm like, thanks man. I'm not gonna go to the website. I appreciate it, but it's like you

[Ryan Rosillo]

can't both get fedoras.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

It's like, just say they'll make it for you. And it's not that toilette shit, it's that parfum. I'm like, that sounds good. But like he's always, you know, he pulled two out of his backpack. He's like, I got this one too. And that's a guy that exists. Not as many of those dudes, but there's a scale where some of them are actually excited that you like what they smell like and they're happy to do it. And I think there are probably a few less dudes on the other side.

[Ryan Rosillo]

They're like, that's weird.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

I think you could probably just say, what is that dude? What is that cologne? That's it. Simple as that. Be cool.

[Kyle]

I'm not a cologne guy. I couldn't even tell you the last time I actually put cologne on

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

But

[Kyle]

I don't think this is weird. I just ask him. I don't. Why is that odd? I don't. You know, it's a compliment. Like, hey, man.

[John Anick]

Like, if you're.

[Kyle]

If you're. Don't be like. Don't be weird about it, but just be like, if you guys talk and you say you talk about things, he's a cool guy. Clearly you guys have some sort of relationship. Be like, hey, man, I'm trying to get in the cologne game. Like, what's your. What's yours? You smell good. Like, what's going on? Like, it doesn't have to be, like, awkward. I don't know. Like, it's.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I was wondering if I could smell your neck a little closer to confirm that I like the way you smell.

[Kyle]

Yeah. Like stealing pieces of his clothes to try to figure it out. I just. I don't just ask.

[Ryan Rosillo]

First of all, the emailer is funny. So this guy has, like, a good way about it. All you have to do. And if this guy's got some, like, exploratory birado hybrid thing where it's like, hey, actually. Because I will argue that I think some of the more feminine stuff smells better on men just because of the pheromones and the way it works. That was my pivot late in the game, where it's like, you don't have to smell like Vietnam. You can. You know, you can take the tobacco

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

aspect out of it. Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

You can spray something on a sample and be like, this smells a little flowery, a little bouquet. Ish. And then it's like, yeah, but throw it on you with a strong male musk. You know, just putting all that stuff in the beaker, it could come off great. And then the next thing you know, like, a girl's going, what the fuck is that? And then you just go, it's actually women's perfume. So I don't know if you're ready for that. All right, if you're going Costco. If you're going Costco, hoodie, Irish Spring, you're not ready for that. Okay? But what I'm telling you is if this guy is into it and you look like. Was this the guy that said he. I've already. The bench numbers threw me up.

[Kyle]

Yeah.

[Ryan Rosillo]

But now the last guy was the poor man's John Hamm. By the way, if you look like Jon Hamm, anything close to that galaxy at the pool, maybe you should get away with having a baby in the pool. But I promise you, because again, I think you're funny in the way you send in that email. If you just go, hey, I have to ask. I use Irish Spring. What the fuck do you have going on? What is that? Where does that even start? What was your journey to get to smelling like this? And if you've already talked to him a few times, he's probably going to appreciate it. It's like asking somebody who has a nice watch on. Hey, is that. What kind of watch is that? Unless they're.

[Kyle]

Yeah, maybe he'll tell you, too. Yeah, like, you don't want to start here, but you can. This is the level one. Like, this is where you start. And he can kind of give you some advice to build up your confidence on that, you know, or, honestly, I could use that guy. I. Because, like, my. My cologne experience. Like, I feel like, you know, back in the day, it was like, you know, you should just smell like to Ryan's the point. You'd, like, walk in a room and someone punch you in the face because you're wearing some sort of, like, Abercrombie Hollister thing. And then I was, like, off of it for a while, and I just never have gotten back onto it. So I don't know. I'm. I'm. I couldn't even tell you what's cool now.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Well, I tell both of you, you know what? Go into the. Go on your own adventure. Pop into Macy's. Make that lady's day at the fucking perfume counter. She is constantly trying to wave people down so she can say, I talked to three people today in this dying Macy's. Go in there and spend 15 minutes. You know, they're going to be so

[Ryan Rosillo]

happy to help you. That Tom Ford rainbow. Don't let it intimidate you, okay? That lady wants to sell you something, and she wants her manager to see

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

that she is not sneaking Instagram time on her phone behind the watch case. That's. She's also manning the. The jewelry and the. And the perfume. Like, do that. Take. Take your own adventure. And then if you're. If you're still not satisfied, then you can go. And then if you need his stuff, you can say, you know what? I actually was trying the top four thing. Actually, you know.

[Ryan Rosillo]

No, I don't know.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Then you got a little thing to

[Ryan Rosillo]

say that scares me.

[Kyle]

I think I need to. I need to.

[Ryan Rosillo]

I love it, Kyle, But I don't know. I'm not comfortable. I just got nervous. Go ahead.

[Kyle]

I want to go to next. Next to Kyle's next Danbury Mall trip. I feel like I need to go because I think he. He does them all right. I don't know that I do them all right. I don't know if I've ever done them all right. And I feel like I just need him to, like, show me what to do. Like, you know, like, he's just. He's my guide to. To the stores, talking to people, the secret tricks, you know, I need it.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

Yeah. Palisades, maybe. Maybe we'll meet up at the Palisades.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Sometimes I wish Kyle were single and then Ceru would have to, like, go with him to stuff. Like, how was the food court? It's like, well, met some girls, but

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

we shared sesame chicken samples and then we went our separate ways back in

[Ryan Rosillo]

the Roly Bowlie days. Free samples. Look out. All right, that'll do it for the show today. I think it might just be a fishing thing and there were no orphans involved because I was trying to research this while we were doing it. I don't know.

[Kyle]

Yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly Tate or another Barstool personality)]

You want to shout out our Friday feedback so we don't have to make an edit later?

[Kyle]

Well, I was going to put the beginning, too, but throw it here as well.

[Ryan Rosillo]

Yeah, yeah. We'll do a tease, but we'll close it out as well. Friday feedback, rrmail.com we haven't unleashed that beast in a while. So any critiques, any complaints, any things you think that you like about us? I don't even know what it's just other than a mailbag. It's just a mailbag and we were doing it to keep the YouTube stuff going, but it's actually we haven't done one in so long that we'll just do it that way. So Again, Friday feedback, rrmail.com to have a release while the show is not necessarily live for a couple weeks here, as I plan the next longer. This travel pod is going to be a monster. So no days off. That'll do it for the Ryan Rosillo Show. Thanks to everybody on the show and also barstool sports.