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The Ryen Russillo Show
NFL Divisional Round Picks, Harbaugh to the Giants & a Miami–Indiana Preview w/ Kevin Clark, Plus the Legend Al Michaels!
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Ryan Rosillo
Hey Priscilla Listeners, you can find every episode on Apple Podcast and Spotify prime members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. The Ryan Rosillo show is presented by DraftKings. On today's show, a lot of football as we get ready for the NFL playoffs, we're going to go through every divisional round matchup. We're going to pick every one of them. We're going to going to do it with Kevin Clark. We're going to give you matchups and how you could like, all right, maybe if this team are to win, how are we going to do it that way? So it's really thorough. We enjoyed it. And also a pick for his Miami Hurricanes in the national championship game against Indiana. Al Michaels, living legend, the Miracle on Ice. We'll go back to those days. We'll run through his career a little bit as well and just hang out with a guy everybody loves hanging out with. And we have life advice. NFL Playoffs let's go. DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL, makes every moment feel bigger. A running back cuts through the line. A strip sack flips the field. A tight end hauls in the kind of touchdown grab you'll talk about for years. Postseason games shift Fast, and with DraftKings live betting options, you can stay right in the moment. Plus, DraftKings has your back with early exit protection. If the player in your eligible NFL prop bet goes down at any point in the first half, you still get paid in cash. New customers bet just $5, and if that bet wins, you get 300 in bonus bets instantly. DraftKings sportsbook every drive, every play, every moment. Download the DraftKings sportsbook app now and use the code RYAN. That's code RYAN R Y E N to turn five bucks into 300 in bonus bets. If your bet wins in partnership with DraftKings, the Crown is yours. Gambling Problem Call 1-800- Gambler, New York.
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Kevin Clark
Call 877-8-HOPE and wire text hope and why Connecticut?
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Ryan Rosillo
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Kevin Clark
Let's go off menu here for a second and we'll come back down to your keys. Those were great keys. I think a couple of things. I think the Bears are susceptible on defense, to long throws, downfield throws. I think maybe bottom five in that. And I want to see if Matthew Stafford is healthy. I don't know what the hell was going on with the finger last week. I just want to see it. The Bears catch interceptions. They have incredible ball skills. I think they're the best team in the NFL at catching interceptions when there's no pressure, which is just indicative of just having good DBs who know where the ball is at all times. And then it's. It's Caleb against that, that Rams front seven. I think what's amazing with, with Caleb this year is he's holding onto the ball longer than he did last year, which didn't seem possible. But the difference is his sack rate, his sac rate is, is unbelievable. It has gotten so much better. He is taking usc. Caleb, all the escapability, all the things we thought we could see, we didn't see it last year. And I think some people get off the bandwagon. He's got it now. He's able.
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Ryan Rosillo
He.
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Kevin Clark
I think he holds on the ball longer than any quarterback in the NFL this year. And his, his sack rate when he has the ball for longer than four seconds. Last year it was almost 50%. This year it's under 20. So like he, his. His. His awareness in the pocket is unbelievable. His ability just extend plays is unbelievable. He knows where everything is. And so for me, like I, we saw one of the best throws we've ever seen on fourth down last week. Like, I just think it's, it's. It's indicative of, of the growth he has and the awareness he has. And if he can keep making those plays, I don't know if anybody can beat him. Having said that, I think this Rams team is really, really, really good. And as long as Stafford's finger is, is, is 80%, I'm going to pick them to win close.
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Ryan Rosillo
That's how I feel. I feel like the Rams, I mean, look, they're, they're my super bowl pick. Even if there's some things that I can pick from, the Carolina game doesn't exactly instill a ton of confidence in you. I talked with Nate Tice this week and I'm just like, can we figure out what's going on? Like if you were ever thinking of o line weapons, Stafford, McVeigh, like, how are you bad on third down all regular season? And then yet it seemed like another issue against his Carolina team. So, you know, on the Caleb point, because I thought the packers game was the perfect Caleb game because if you, if you dig into some of the stuff, you're like, man, there's still a ton of off target throws because if he gets off of some of these off target throws that just don't make a ton of sense that Collinsworth has been annoyed by. I think Troy Aikman was annoyed by. I think Brady did like seven Caleb Williams games this year that all the former NFL players, again, Collinsworth, not as the quarterback, kind of like get on his case a little bit, which I totally understand. But if he ever figures out that part of it, it's going to be game over. The sack thing. On holding onto the football, I think you'd agree that last year was holding onto the football in pure confusion.
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Kevin Clark
Yes.
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Ryan Rosillo
Just like what the hell am I supposed to do? Where now it's escapability with maybe a plan while he's holding on to a route a little bit longer.
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Kevin Clark
And also Ben Johnson, Ryan polls deserve some credit for that because last year was the offensive line disallowing unblocked pressures where you just had no chance. Just. No, I'm almost like a college quarterback just like getting overloaded by seven guys having no idea what's going on and going straight to the ground. This year, because the offensive line is more coherent, I would say the pressures are probably coming from more predictable places. If they're unblocked, he's going to see it. It's not going to be unblocked because of confusion, as you said, it's going to be unblocked because that's just how the scheme is looking and you identify the blitzer and all that stuff. So I think it just shows you how much one guy, that being Ben Johnson, can turn around everything and professionalizing the offensive line, getting those weapons in there. And so I'm with you. Like, I just think the fact that he's been able to revert to usc, Caleb, in a good way, that's a compliment in one year is astounding because I think a lot of quarterbacks probably broken by last year and he wasn't.
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Ryan Rosillo
I think Ted Nguyen had it from the Athletic, who I'm sure you appreciate his work as much as I do. Just incredible. Like, he should be a bigger deal. So there you go. There's my little Ted rant.
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Kevin Clark
It starts now. It starts right now.
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Ryan Rosillo
It starts now. Momentum starts right now. So I was looking at some of the matchup stuff, and we all started getting really excited about this 13 personnel stuff, because it actually was. Once you understood it, it was fun. I guess I just felt like I heard it a lot and you have a smile on your face a little bit. So we'll just keep moving. But if you look at the Bears run defense against multiple tight end sets, they're the worst as far as, like, success rate or explosive plays against multiple tight end sets, what teams want to run against. Zone runs are 27. So there's just a lot of stuff on paper that tells you, hey, if the Rams just kind of stick to who they've been here in the second half of the season running the football, that's a good matchup for them. And then if you go to the packers game, which, you know, this is the part that I'm always going to struggle with criticizing head coaches, it's like, okay, Dobbs goes out of bounds. Golden goes out of bounds. Deep shot. Musgrave, deep shot. Dobbs again. But that was probably the only stretch where the Bears were just completely locking up the run game. And maybe it's just an offensive coordinator, it's LaFleur. It's just like, look, this is the matchup. This is the right call against this matchup. And now they're run blitzing us. They know they have to stop the run. So, like, I can't not throw it here. Now, it'd be nice if somebody was inbounds and maybe they run a little bit more clock. But I'm wondering, you know, is there anything from that when the Bears absolutely had to buckle up and stop the run? And look, they still, the packers still move the football down the field there if there's anything to be excited about. Despite some of those statistical matchups that would certainly favor Los Angeles.
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Kevin Clark
With the Bears defense, is there anything. Yeah, I mean, I mentioned it. Like they catch interceptions and that's. Yeah, that in these types of games is big. Guess who didn't catch interceptions last week? The Carolina Panthers. Because Puka Nakua broke up that late pass and obviously Mike Jackson got a couple shout out. Mike Jackson, Miami Hurricane. But, but, you know, for me, I just think, especially if the finger is still an issue, is that the Bears defense, their ball skills are going to come into play. And so I think that that's, that's something to watch there. But I think with, with the Packers, I was surprised to see maybe this is just the media's default. People say, oh, Matt LaFleur got conservative. No, no, no, he didn't. He didn't. They, like, things just didn't go their way. They didn't catch the passes. Obviously they were undermanned because of the injury stuff. I think Matt LeFleur is a hell of a coach. This is just a Bears team that, by the way, I think their aggressiveness is the reason that they're able to have these incredible comebacks is because they're very comfortable on 4th and 2, 4th and 3, got to have it downs. They're practicing that all season long. And so on the offensive side of the ball, they, they're. I feel like there's a calmness even when they're striking out in the first half in those fourth down. So I think matchup wise, I mean, Ben Johnson, the fourth quarter. Caleb is in the fourth quarter. It's as good as it gets. If it's a close game again, I'd be very scared. I'm for my Rams pick, but I'm still, I'm still going to favor the Rams here.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'm going to go Rams here. But yeah, the cold, you know, I don't. I was thinking about it this morning because I feel like whenever I'll be wrong about something like this, it's like, hey, the reason this weather thing is pointed out all the time is because it's real.
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Kevin Clark
It's real.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Like, don't be dismissive of this. Remember all those, like those Tampa stats for what, a couple decades? It was like, if kickoff is below this, like, this is the record. I mean, I guess I could look back at the Philly game last year going, hey, they were right in this bunch of the same guys. But I mean, it just sounds so stupid. It's like, hey, remember when you guys were cold last year?
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Kevin Clark
It really matters. It really like how Often are. How often are you genuinely cold in a given year now that you live in la?
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Ryan Rosillo
Not that often.
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Kevin Clark
Yeah, but when you go back, you're like, holy, I'm rattled. I am rattled. I am rattled. I don't go outside in the winter. I live in New York. I do not go outside in the winter.
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Ryan Rosillo
You don't even have to tackle anybody. Yeah, I don't know. I've seen some stuff on X with that city of yours, buddy. All right, let's go. Houston, New England. I just want to start with that four man pass rush for the Texans. It is an absolute thing of beauty when you watch some of these teams, 60 plus 70 snaps, you can just see the pass rush die off. That's where you know, look, the third downs are bigger. The Spagnolo approach of like, okay, where's the blitz coming? Because we just, we know that he's going to dial up this pressure late. It's not a matter of like if he's going to do it, it's just how is he going to do it. And the Texans, they're the most basic defense ever. They do not change who they are the entire time. And the first team to win a playoff game since the Bears in 1940 with two defensive touchdowns without allowing one as well, Granted it was Rodgers. It's going to be different against Drake May. But that defense, that front four man, like that is the epitome of everything you would want if you were building a football team.
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Kevin Clark
Will Anderson came across this stat. I was just playing around next gen stats earlier. Will Anderson is perhaps on record. They've only been this since 2016, I think, or whatever the best third down pass rusher in the history of the sport. Okay, 48 pressures on third down this season. That is, blows everybody out as far as pressure rate. And then we obviously don't know Hunter. We know what he can do on the other side. Will Campbell did not have a great game against the Chargers. I feel like every few years it's always Ryan. So funny because remember after the Giants beat the Patriots twice, it's always, all right, you got to copy whoever won the Super Bowl. So coming out of each super bowl into the off season, every, every media member, every, every former player on pregame shows, like, you know what this shows? You got to rush the passer with four guys. You got to be able to do it. Oh, thanks guys. Thank.
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Al Michaels
No. Yeah.
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Kevin Clark
The Giants cracked the code. We got it. The Giants cracked the code. You only need four guys. If you get pressure on Tom Brady with four Guys, good things can happen. Like, yeah, we know the problem is it's expensive, it's hard. Schematically, you know, you can try to do different stuff, but normally you don't have the personnel for it. The Texans have the personnel for their ability to get Janelle Hunter and Will Anderson out there. And then you add in. So I had Jeffrey Simmons on my show yesterday and he.
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Ryan Rosillo
I love Jeffrey Simmons, by the way.
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Kevin Clark
Okay. He hates the Texans. He said he hates the Texans.
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Ryan Rosillo
I think he hates a lot of things.
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Kevin Clark
He does. And. But that means you're a great guest. He was a elite guest because he hates a lot of things. And I was like, what offensive line left because he played like eight playoff teams? I was like, what offensive line gave you the most problems of the teams you left? And he was like. And then he like half heartedly like Paris, Trent Williams and Gray Zabel and then got out of the question because he just, he just hates the idea that any offensive line gets trouble anyway.
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Ryan Rosillo
Considering his year, he's probably right.
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Kevin Clark
He is right. That's the point. He is right. But one of the things he said was about the Texans obviously praise defensive line, but he was saying in the back end they've got unbelievable DBs who don't have to cover for very long. That's what's so deadly about it. Lowest passer rating allowed among DBs this season, including the playoffs. Okay. Caleb Bullock, second best in the NFL. Derek Stingley, fourth best in the NFL. Jalen Petrie, fifth best in the NFL. Okay, like passer. What do you throw to those guys? Bad things happen because A, they're good and B, the defensive line is speeding up the process. It's unbelievable. And then you add in the linebackers, then you add in Jalen Petrie. Derek Henry told me Jalen Petrie hit him harder than anybody's hit him in a long time this year.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like, dude, he's a beast, man. I mean, you can be thrown off by the gazoo helmet there. But I mean it's every time he is coming up, the tackling in that Pittsburgh game alone, even if the pressure didn't get there. So keep going.
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Kevin Clark
And so I just, I love this defense. I think d' Amico runs awesome. I think if you're asking CJ Stroud to do just enough good things are going to happen. Having said that, in my research, Drake May is the best quarterback under pressure in the NFL this year. 65% completion percentage, best passer rating under pressure. And so I don't think he's been so good at downfield passing this year. I don't think that's going to be able to happen. But if he's able to, to get out and escape a little bit of the pressure and make some of these miracle throws, they've got a chance. But I'm, I'm picking the Texans, man.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'm picking the Texans as well. Three point favorites at this point. So obviously Vegas thinks it's a little bit closer here with this. Maybe it's just a Stroud game from last week, which I do want to spend a little bit of time on, but that May pressure number, does that change when there's an eighth guy out there, you know? Well, I mean look, there was a three. I think they had a three man rush where they beat Pittsburgh up front.
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Kevin Clark
Yes.
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Ryan Rosillo
Not that they were going with it, but I was like, oh man, they only sent three in this time. Like they got home.
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Kevin Clark
Rogers had the worst. Rogers had the worst EPA for a quarterback like in playoff history or something.
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Ryan Rosillo
Last week it was the worst qbr I think in his playoff career too.
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Kevin Clark
Yes.
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Ryan Rosillo
And it looked like not very much fun. But to your point, May is the great equalizer in this because of the drop back. Like I've been a little obsessed with the schedule thing, but when you're talking about like what his success rate is on these deep throws, if he were five years in, I wonder if all of us would just be like looking at it more like Josh Allen. Like I think Denver is the perfect defense for trying to slow down Josh Allen. But it's like nobody wants to pick against Josh Allen. And because this is only year one with May, with all these things that tell us it's Houston's game and Stroud doesn't even have to be that special. All his defense, like the way May, even with this receiving core, that Henry throw just all these throws over the season, it just feels like he's so special at this that that can keep any team in a game.
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Kevin Clark
I'm with you. I think Drake May is amazing and I think his ability to stay. He's very even keeled. I think his ability to stay calm, it really is kind of a Josh Allen style demeanor. And so I think again, I think he's going to have some miracle. Miracles the wrong term because obviously he's really good in regular season with these downfield throws. I think he's able to escape this pressure and make some big throws. I just don't think he's able to do it consistently enough. I think that the Texans will be Able to maybe pick him off a couple times because of what we talked about. The Nico Collins thing is big. The fact that he's out because the connection between Stroud and Nico Collins is as efficient as any quarterback wide receiver combination. But I think they're going to score enough points. They have some crazy stat where they've won an unbelievable amount of games in Houston when they score 20 points. So you reach 20 points, you kind of get there. I think they do on this weekend.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I don't know that Kirk's going to match that production that he had. The Nico thing is absolutely massive. And like, as somebody who's felt like, hey, you know, it's. And I've said this probably too many times now, but it's like, man, Stroud is like a complete afterthought after, like he and Daniko coming onto the scene as rookies. And then you look through how he closed the season. You know, the funny thing is, I mean, again, like, whatever you want to do with qbr, his QBR in that playoff game where he was atrocious, he had five fumbles, he lost two of them. I think the most alarming single play in that game is the interception in the red zone. Because you can tell at that point, like, he's lost. He's completely lost. He was forced in his shoe and he's seeing guys. Yeah, he's looking back to the sideline being like, I hope you can see how little confidence I have in myself. And I'd like somebody to confirm that. And I just can't fathom that he's going to have that same exact game again. The funny thing is, is that game still graded out QBR wise, Because it's not going to factor in recovering three of your own fumbles. I don't think. Yeah, QBR wise, that was still better than like four of his last five closing games of the regular season. And so, you know, eventually I kind of have to get to the point. Like, I don't. I cannot believe he was that bad. I wouldn't expect him to be that bad again. But that was concerning.
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Kevin Clark
I. I was talking to somebody from Ohio State when he came out and when he was like that, that off season and then into the rookie season and they're basically that the light bulb came on against Georgia in a way that even surprised people at Ohio State. You remember that game, like, all of a sudden he's taking one of the deepest, toughest defenses of all time and he's absolutely torching them to the point they were a Kick away from, by the way, Ohio State figure out the kicking thing. It's been a while. It's been a while.
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Ryan Rosillo
That was a national championship game, basically.
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Kevin Clark
Yeah, correct. Correct. And they could have made that kick and won that in a game where I think everybody thought it's going to be coordination for Georgia. CJ Stroud just absolutely popped in that game. And I wonder if he's. And you hear this phrase all the time with coaches. I wonder if he's a confidence player. I wonder if he needs to see the ball go through the hoop a little bit and he's going to go on another run. The problem is we just haven't seen it from Stroud the last few weeks. I think that if he gets a game where he's able to throw a couple dimes, a couple, hey, like, prove it throws, then. Then you're going to see him go on a run here. I just want to see that, like, if we get that, if we get like three huge chunk plays where we go, oh, C.J. stroud is back. They're probably going to win the Super Bowl. But I just got to see it first.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that's how I feel about this defense. Like, I just. I just need him to be average. And I don't think that long term, he's average. Like, I don't think we get done with the C.J. stroud story. We're like, you know what? He ended up just kind of being an average guy, and they wonder if they could do better. But, you know, they signed him because everybody just gets signed. You know, again, we don't have to worry about any of that stuff right now. But even as somebody that's been pretty. I don't know that I've ever felt like CJ Stroud doesn't feel like a quarterback. You have to be like super defensive about. They don't introduce you on get up going, hey, this is a C.J. stroud guy. I don't know if anybody's really doing that out there.
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Kevin Clark
I think that. I think the offensive line is a problem, too, because some of the hits he's taken the last two years, not only does he get hit, he gets.
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Ryan Rosillo
Last year was brutal.
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Kevin Clark
Yeah. But he gets hit hard. When he gets hit, I don't know why he does hold on the ball longer, all that stuff, but still, that that has played, played a role in it.
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Ryan Rosillo
Buffalo, another road favorite of all places at Denver. Point and a half this morning. Don't know if that'll flip. I think the best thing here for Denver, it's the two things, and I've already alluded to it, personnel wise, how they can get after somebody. You know, it almost feels like sir tan is a waste in this game.
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Ceruti
Yeah, yeah.
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Kevin Clark
Yes. Yes.
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Ryan Rosillo
When you, when you're like, are you. Were you going to hit Coleman for a big one? It was like, hey, he's still around, you know, Cooks, who. I think Cooks has one of the most fascinating careers because everybody raves about having him. And everybody gets rid of him after like one year and it's like, man, he's still in the league. And it's like there's been about five.
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Kevin Clark
Getting traded for the 31st pick for like four straight off seasons. They were just like, hey, you got a 30? I will take Brandon Cooks.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Cause it was like, hey, is Brandon Cooks available? It's like, well, of course he is. Like, we were psyched to bring him in here and we know he's put up some big numbers, but my God, you're right. Like every year it felt like he was getting traded in, like, a pretty decent level of like, resource coming back for him. And it's like, well, what the hell's the problem with this guy?
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Kevin Clark
It's like the offensive, the offensive Marcus Peters where just contenders just passing him around saying, hey, you want Marcus Peters?
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Ryan Rosillo
Sure.
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Kevin Clark
We're going to win the Super Bowl. Yeah, sure.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. This guy's physical, great matchup, like competitive as hell. In his off season, it's like, hey, can we flip this guy for a third rounder? All right, so I, you know, look, all the Josh Allen stuff is fairly predictable here, but I do love two numbers here. One is that since the bye week, Bo Nick's seventh best QBR in the league for a guy that I, you know, if he goes down his leg in this game, I'm not going to be surprised either. But this, this feels like a group because I also love their linebackers too, and I love their front. I just like a lot of the personnel on this Denver defense And I think that they. They have a much better chance in Allen against this game than other teams would.
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Kevin Clark
I agree with you. I actually was. I circled that Patrick's tan point because he's allowed three downfield receptions the entire year. And now it's like, okay, well, I don't think Coleman's going to make a four. I think we're good. I think we're good on that.
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Ryan Rosillo
They're going to have him spy Alan. Be like, we're not even going to put you on, Shakir. Like, there's no point.
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Kevin Clark
Oh, the little tunnel screens don't scare you for close Shakir.
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Ryan Rosillo
Certain may not have to watch his jersey after this game.
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Kevin Clark
Raleigh Moss gets. Gets targeted a lot, so.
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Ryan Rosillo
He sure does. I swear to God, that guy is on TV more than any corner in the NFL this season. I mean, and it's. It's always when it's bad too, you know, and you're like, does he suck? And then you look at the grades and you go, no, he just gets thrown at every single time. So I think he actually grades out to be slightly better. I don't know if you know that.
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Kevin Clark
Yeah, I have the number from. From. Pff. He's been tar. Excuse me. From next gen stats. He's been targeted 108 times this year, which is tied for the. Tied for the most in the league, Nate.
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Ryan Rosillo
How about that in Denver too? What do you want to do? Oh, we're going to draft you and you're going to turn and run full speed for the entire season. Sounds awesome.
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Kevin Clark
Because of the volume. Next gen Stat says 17 passes defended an interception. He saw 102 targets last season, so slightly up. But the completion percentage allowed is down from last year. So he's actually is playing better than he was last year.
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Ryan Rosillo
He just.
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Al Michaels
He.
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Kevin Clark
It's a problem because Petrochan's on the other side and maybe quarter quarter quarterbacks might assume he's gettable.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I. Look, I'm probably a little guilty of it too. It's like, what's going on? Is he a safety? No, no, no, He's a corner.
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Kevin Clark
But have you seen the biked up with the Eagles with the guys who think Blankenship is dejean? Have you seen this?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah. He's like, I'm the other one. You know, sometimes I feel like we've come so far. And then I hear that mic'd up, then I just go, you know, this is why Alex Caruso doesn't go higher. Like, what's this guy? He's not. He's balding already and I'm supposed to fucking draft this guy? Like, no, he's pretty athletic. Sure, sure he is.
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Kevin Clark
All right, all right. So.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, well, go ahead. Stay, stay in it as long as you want. You don't have to get to the pick.
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Kevin Clark
Broncos are second best four man pass rush team in the league. Second only to our Houston Texans. I think if there's anything to be concerned about, it's that Josh Allen is, he's, he's getting pressured less than he normally has, but in, in his career, but he's taking more sacks when he gets pressured. And I, my guess is that's because the receivers aren't getting open. My guess is that's because if he doesn't hit a running back or a tight end that he's got to do a little bit of, of maneuvering around. He's throwing the ball shorter than he ever has in his entire career. I have a hard time picking against Josh Allen because I think you he's the best player on the planet. But I love this matchup for the Broncos. I just, I'm sorry, I just, I feel like this is Josh Allen season. I just, I also think I'm curious to see it. The Bills couldn't stop the run on, on Sunday and if Liam Cohen decided he was going to play caveman ball and just run with Michelle Tootin over and over again and TN over and over again, I think they control that game and I think they win it. I think he got a little bit bored and threw the ball too much and got away. I'm like on outside runs. The numbers with Tutin were astounding and I don't know why he abandoned that. I think that a lot of times, especially if you're a fatal flaw, I think when the, I think it was the Patriots and the Rams, I want to say a couple of years ago when they met in the super bowl, they were the two worst defensive rush defense teams in league. You can get away with that because NFL coaches, my theory is they get bored like I had, I'm sorry I have to name drop here, but I paid Manning, my boss on the show a couple weeks ago and we were talking about how not getting bored is like the like the hack in this league. Like, like the problem is if you run four times, the play calling head coach is like, hey, what if we took a shot here? What if we just did a little shot and it's like no run, run five times, it's fine. And, and I think that may have happened. Liam Cohen on Sunday. I'm curious to see if that works with Sean Payton, whether or not they get away from it or not.
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Ryan Rosillo
100% agree. By the way, if Peyton Manning comes on your podcast, I think it's totally fine to reference that. And it's an awesome point because it was. I'm a little biased on that point because I think that's exactly what happened in that game. We know what you can do against the Bills. You can run against the Bills. Their explosive play rate is abysmal. I mean, it's one thing to just give up yards. It's another thing to be the worst run defense against explosives, which they have been in the regular season. And then when I was tracking pass run selection, you know, first 30, it was, you know, it wasn't like it was 25 passes, but I think it was 17, 18 passes out of that, that stretch. And you're watching him run the football and you go, you know, this, this is actually like a coaching thing that I want to, you know, I'm just going to get it in now before we get to the other game. I get. As an owner and as a front office, you're like, okay, we got to figure out, like, you know, I've kind of gone back and forth about the McVeigh Tree and all that kind of stuff, and I feel like generally it's, it's been successful, even if it was an easy thing to make fun of. But when you bring in somebody like that, it's not shocking to have them go to your point, like, all right, let's, let's get them out wide here. You know what I mean? Like, hey, I want to be passed on first down, next, next four balls. We like, let's just start opening it up. Let's just start opening up, like, to your point of boredom. Like, if you're bringing in somebody that is all about offensive genius and they see the numbers and they see the matchups or they see a weak spot in the secondary, I think it's really hard for the. I mean, it's like watching anybody who wants to take a three now, like, guys are taking threes, they shouldn't even take threes, but it's like, man, everybody takes threes. Like, where, where are my attempts? I. I don't know that you've ever seen anything more accurate. And then backed up by Peyton Manning.
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Kevin Clark
Well, also, that's why the two high shells work so well in this league, is because you can just burrow. And Mahomes are great at taking the five yard check. Down saying, all right, we'll keep moving, keep it moving, keep moving. But most of the quarterbacks are going to go, ah, I think I can split the safeties here, or I think I can do a whole shot right now up throwing a pick. So Chris Canty was telling a story about Peyton a couple of weeks ago on my show where he said that about the don't get bored thing. So they had a Giants game where they. It was something like they had two healthy defensive tackles and they thought they could get away with it because they were like, you know what? Peyton's going to spread the ball around the yard. He's going to go to damn Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark. We can get away with the defensive tackles. You don't need to sign any guy. He said that Peyton Manning checked into a Donald Brown run for the entire game. He was just like, these defensive tackles are tired. Donald Brown a gap. Donald Brown a gap. And he said, kenny says, one of those miserable experiences of his life. And if more people operated like that, more teams would win.
- [30:18]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, I like all that stuff. San Francisco, Seattle. Yeah, week 18 wasn't great for San Francisco's offense. 173 total yards, 2 and 9 on third downs. I'd say, conversely, there's some darnold stuff here. First half, second half, that is very real. There's also 20 total turnovers, which I thought was an interesting number from ESPN Stats and Research that it's the first number one seed since 1978 to have the quarterback lead the NFL in turnovers. So if you're a Niners fan, even with all the injuries, adding Kittle to the pile, coming off this great win in Philadelphia, where it feels like Purdy wasn't. That wasn't. It wasn't like Purdy came in there and gave you the A game and that's how they were able to get one on the road at all. I was kind of surprised how long it took him to kind of look like himself. That's the thing you're banking on. You're banking on Darnold. You're banking on Darnold's matchups in the red zone. Except you just wonder, can this Niners linebacker core look as good as they did in a second game here? Because I thought Hendricks, I was like, man, when they draft this rookie, and it's like, no. Well, obviously we know he's been around a really long time. I thought he played great against Philadelphia. I think it's asking a lot of these guys to play like that. A couple weeks ago.
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Kevin Clark
And can they generate the pressure? It just hasn't. It hasn't been going like 16% drop back pressure rate on Jalen Hurts last week. That was the lowest in the game this season according to stats. For me, I look at it, no one has been more wrong with the Niners than me, frankly. And we did a topic on TV last summer, has the Niners championship window closed? And I said I had because they're an aging, expensive roster that gets hurt all the time. That's what happens. Everybody said the previous year, oh, they get hurt too much or they got hurt, it's fine, they'll be healthy year. No, when you have a bunch of old guys, you get hurt. That's. That was my reasoning in the summer and I was right about that. The problem is they keep getting better. Like they keep. Oh, no, Fred Warner. Fine, we're good. No Nick Bosa. Okay, we're good. By the way, Fred Warner's practice window is opened.
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Ryan Rosillo
And by the way, Trent did not play in this game, the last game of the regular season and people weren't even sure he was going to play in this Philly game and he was fine. So go ahead.
- [32:22]
Kevin Clark
Right? And then you just look at, they keep getting banged up and they keep getting better. This is the best coaching job of Kyle Shanahan's career, I think. By a wide margin. By a wide margin. And some of the young guys have hit. And so I've been wrong every step of the way in this Niners team. I think some of the win last week was just the Eagles and their offense and just not being able to execute anything. That was a disaster. But I'm picking the Seahawks for a couple of reasons. As you mentioned, the Darnold thing, the turnovers, I don't think the Niners can be able to force those. I think the offensive line has been much better this year. I think Grace Abel again, Jeffrey Simmons said Grace Abel is going to end up being one of the best players in the league. I think the 49ers defense is good enough at keeping everything in front of them typically. But Jackson, Smith and Jigba like some of the stats on what percentage of downfield throws are JSN on that team. It's like historical. That's it. It's historic. I mean, it almost reminds me it's like what do they call it in Columbus against Notre Dame? They call like the third down, Jeremiah Smith road. Third and Jeremiah, like third and jsn just, like, just, just. He's down there somewhere it's going to be fine. I'm picking the Seahawks because I think they can do enough. And then on defense, keep the score down.
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Ryan Rosillo
I always love the T shirt that said one or three quarters of the earth is covered by water, the other quarter is covered by Eric Berry.
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Kevin Clark
Yeah, that was a big thing in the late 2000s. Yeah, they had Reggie Nelson. There was a Reggie Nelson shirt in Gainesville. I remember seeing when I go up there, visit my friends, Eric Barry is probably a better T shirt candidate than Reggie Nelson.
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Ryan Rosillo
And now the SEC isn't good anymore, so they can't even make those T shirts.
- [34:05]
Al Michaels
That's true.
- [34:06]
Ryan Rosillo
There's one down in Coral Gables. Like Malik, Tony.
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Kevin Clark
It's like, you know, Keonte Scott.
- [34:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Keonte Scott Deontay Scott would be a good one. That guy. I thought I had read something about the Cane secondary not being as good. Don't worry, don't worry. We're getting to it. We're getting to it.
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Kevin Clark
I'm not. I'm not doing no false starts here.
- [34:22]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, you're 100% right because like sometimes I forget about who the number two option is. As a receiver for the Seahawks, Thielen's second most targeted guy, I believe in the red zone, which is kind of asking a lot. Maybe it's Barner who with their red zone failures in Week 18 against this Niners defense, you could say, look, he was in and out of the game. He's going to be healthier. He's going to be good to go here. I just. It's really hard for me to think about them going up there. I love a McDonald has done the entire approach. Leonard Williams, the D tackles, Murphy where they've talked about like we were practicing in the elements all week long. Although I don't know how many teams with the number one seed in the buy party for a week and go on vacation. Is that. Is that they were kind of like Leonard Ruins was like, hey, it's not like we're going to Mexico or something like that. I'm paraphrasing a bit. I'm like do a lot of teams that have the one seed be like, here's what we need you guys to do. Go on a little bit of a bender.
- [35:14]
Kevin Clark
Wait, did away didn't the Giants. Was that the boat? Yeah, I think so.
- [35:19]
Ryan Rosillo
Was that before the playoffs?
- [35:21]
Kevin Clark
I'm pretty sure.
- [35:22]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, I think you might be right. Let's look at what's good it on it.
- [35:31]
Kevin Clark
Before the wild card game.
- [35:33]
Ryan Rosillo
Maybe. Did they already know they were going.
- [35:34]
Kevin Clark
To get killed Though, weren't they an awesome team that year?
- [35:38]
Ryan Rosillo
Were they? I don't even remember.
- [35:40]
Kevin Clark
They lost 38 to 13.
- [35:43]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [35:43]
Kevin Clark
So there you go.
- [35:45]
Ryan Rosillo
Victor Cruz says it definitely, quote, definitely wasn't worth it. You're right. It was before the playoffs.
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Kevin Clark
Victor.
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Ryan Rosillo
Thanks to the packers, by the way.
- [35:54]
Kevin Clark
Victor Cruz college roommate Liam Cohen. That's where he learned to not run the ball. This is Victor, guys.
- [36:02]
Ryan Rosillo
Great.
- [36:02]
Kevin Clark
I'm never going to run the ball.
- [36:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Would you. Would you hire Harbaugh for every team? Some teams, no teams.
- [36:12]
Kevin Clark
I love this Giant.
- [36:13]
Ryan Rosillo
It was a stupid, stupid way to ask that.
- [36:15]
Kevin Clark
I love this Giants. The Giants hire. And here's why. I think Joe Shane's a pretty bad gm. I think that the narrative about the young core in New York, I must have missed the young core. It was just like this happened with the draft two years ago. Joe Shane hit on all his picks.
- [36:35]
Ryan Rosillo
Did he?
- [36:35]
Kevin Clark
He hit on Malik Neighbors. Let's not go roster by roster, but I think that was overrated rated. I think Jackson Dark can play, but I think the biggest thing that they needed because they haven't hit on a hire since Tom Coughlin, the biggest thing they needed was somebody to come in and tell them how it was going to be, how to win football games because the organization seems incapable of doing it. And the fact they were keeping Joe Shane and the fact that it sounded like his job was never undervaluation, like they fired Brian Dabel, they say, hey, Joe Shane's going to lead it. And then the leaks coming out to me were astounding. It was like, oh, Joe Shane modernized the scouting services, computers or whatever. And it's like, okay, well, did he get good players? Because I feel like the IT department can handle the scouting computers and so they needed somebody to come in. And whether I feel I felt this way about Ryan Poles and to a degree less need is a better GM than these guys. But. But with polls and now Shane, your job and you can go on your business card is to be the head coach's buddy and to support him and to get the players that is needed and all that stuff. You can win with Joe Shane in the building. He just can't do a lot from where I'm standing. And I think John Harbaugh coming in, he's going to probably bring in some front office guys from Baltimore. That extended tree. He's already hiring Todd Monkin to be the offensive coordinator. I think Jackson Dark can play. He can get through to Jackson Dart and tell him to protect himself or change, you know, change the way he plays a little bit. Because that. That really is a huge problem. I think it's an awesome hire. I think it's what they need. I've been banging this drum for two months. They needed a Harbaugh, a Mike Tomlin, a Marcus Freeman. Just a huge personality who's going to come in and say, this is my organization now. Very similar to what Sean Payton did in Denver. Sean Payton just changed. No one thought that was Russell Wilson was there. Nathaniel Hackett was there screwing up everything. Nobody thought that the turnaround was going to be that quick. And by the way, it wasn't. They lost 70 to 3 or whatever to. To. To Mike McDaniel. Like, it took a while, but they ended up getting there. You have to have. The only way to change your organization is for one guy to come in there and tell you how to change. Whether that's Sean McVay, where that's Sean Payton, whether that's John Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin, whomever. I think it's a home run hire.
- [38:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I think you're right. I think he's probably not for everyone. You're like, okay, wait a minute, does he call plays? Is he quarterback guru? And it's like, no, but remember, like, early on, we was having all that success the first five years with Baltimore. It was funny because this is a lot of the result thing, the Josh McDaniel success early in Denver still being the best example ever of playing the results on how we would tell the story after the fact that because he was young, everybody related to him. And it was like, okay, except for the part now we want to fire him. But early on with. With Harbaugh, it's like, you know, what's great is that he doesn't come from a defensive side, he doesn't come from the offensive side. He's special teams. It's more people. There's more turnover. So you have to learn how to, like, delegate authority and all these different things. And he's like a football CEO and all this stuff. And then towards the end of the way out, when it's like him being talked about as a potential head coach for other teams, it's like, you know, he doesn't really call any plays. Like, he's never built an offense. He's never. He's never built a defense. But the adult in the room thing is, like, some of these teams need it more than they want to admit. And for the Giants, like, this might not even. Like, it might not be Jackson Dart. You know, it might not be. I would think A few of these guys defensively, I might like some of the names on the, on the defensive side of the ball more than you do. Because I think there have been times where I'm like, ah, that guy like stands out today. I mean, look, it even happened with the Jets a few times this year. I'm like, dude, why are there like five guys on this defense with the jets that I really like? And it seems like this team absolutely sucks. So I think it makes sense. So we agree on that one.
- [40:15]
Kevin Clark
There's two things I want to say in Harbaugh's favor. Number one is that people who are in Baltimore, and this is before my time covering the league, people who were in Baltimore when he took over Ed Reed and Ray Lewis and that defensive core, they didn't exactly go to John Harbaugh's house with cookies and be like, welcome to the club, man. Like you had to, but you had to earn their respect. And I think it kind of took a while. And the people who were there practice said it was really astounding to watch that process unfold and how well he commanded that, that, that room when it's not an easy thing to do when it's a player led franchise sometimes like that was, especially on the defensive side of the ball, the coach has to earn his stripes. John Harbaugh did that. So he's, that's when you say, could he be higher anywhere? He would have won over 32 locker rooms because people just love him. The other thing is I kind of feel like he's been written out of the organizational support for Lamar, especially in the beginning. So there was that nugget. I think Albert Breer had it maybe a year after Lamar was drafted. Like, the Patriots loved Lamar Jackson. They just knew they had to change their entire operation to run an offense where Lamar Jackson's the quarterback. John Harbaugh said, okay, hand up, we'll do it. We'll change our whole operation. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll draft for Lamar Jackson. We'll change the way our offensive line plays for Lamar Jackson. We're good with that. We'll hire the offensive coordinator where that was Greg Roman at the start, who I think is with that. Obviously I think he probably. That was a well deserved change in the Chargers. But I think Greg Roman did a lot with the run game there early on and helped Lamar Jackson initially. Todd Monken was an awesome hire. I think they made some dumb mistakes like, you know, the, the Kansas City game. Offensively, I think they ran into A stacked box like 36 times or something. Or sorry. Passed. Passed into. Into. Into light. Basically the defense is playing the pass. They passed into it anyway against Kansas City like at a historic rate. So they made some dumb game management mistakes. But there's a lot of teams that would take that floor and that level of success. I think the world of. I think the Giants are probably two years away from. From playing for real stuff in the NFC East.
- [42:24]
Ryan Rosillo
If you're looking at the landscape as some of the available coaches because you know, I think the Flores Miami timeline and then what Flores has done since because I mean if you're talking about somebody who it seems like everybody that understands defense is like, this guy's incredible. Like you can plug him in with kind of any personnel. He's going to figure out a way and he's going to like end some of these QBs. Like some of these QBs that you get really excited about that maybe you've gotten bounced around a little bit that have had limitations but have put up numbers. Like maybe I'm thinking Darl, maybe I'm thinking Goff a little bit. And then it's like Floor is going to come in and just ruin it. It. He's going to come in and ruin it. But then I think back to the Miami thing. It's like you hire the coach who apparently hated to us so much that like he didn't like it was so obvious that first year that he's a two, he thought he sucked and it's not the way like Tua appears to be kind of a sensitive guy. Like it was just the wrong personality matchup. And so then you look at McDaniel and you're thinking, okay, well you have to go this way. Like tell your quarterback he's awesome. You just spent this pick on him. You might as well just convince him that he's awesome. Convince yourself that he's awesome. Like whatever it is, like you'd be old school football, tough guy mentality. But that's not really what the job is. The job is to maximize this one position. And then McDaniel kind of does that to a level that I never thought was going to happen. So I find them interesting in that. Like, I hope Flores gets another shot at this. I don't want the old school coach to be but I guess I would have reservations about thinking like, do I bring this guy in and if I give him the wrong quarterback that can't handle this hard coaching, like, am I. Am I wrong from the jump? Even if I think he's a great coach because of, like, going back to that Miami experience.
- [44:08]
Kevin Clark
All right, well, let me ask you a question. They're both available. Who would you rather have?
- [44:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Let's say you're okay, but I don't know. The quarterback. Like, who's my quarterback? Can he be coach?
- [44:19]
Kevin Clark
What about Tennessee? Cam Ward?
- [44:21]
Ryan Rosillo
I think Cam can handle it.
- [44:23]
Kevin Clark
I do, too. Yeah, I do, too. Cam Ward is one of the most confident people that's ever played the sport of football, so I think that Brian Flores, being like, you shouldn't have done that. I think. I think he can handle it.
- [44:35]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. We're on the same page there. Yeah.
- [44:37]
Kevin Clark
Okay. Yeah. Can he pick it?
- [44:39]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know.
- [44:45]
Kevin Clark
Imagine oder being like, your number one job is to empower Kenny Pickett.
- [44:52]
Ryan Rosillo
This feels very mean towards Kenny Pickett. So I don't. I don't want to keep doing this.
- [44:56]
Kevin Clark
That's fine. That's what the money's for.
- [44:58]
Ryan Rosillo
I was just trying to think of a name. I was just trying to think of a name, But I love. I love this exercise. Like, I kind of want to do it three more times, but we're just going to be naming guys that aren't starters, so go ahead.
- [45:08]
Kevin Clark
All right. Well, I just want to say I've been surprised.
- [45:11]
Ryan Rosillo
Top down, the organization runs through Anthony Richardson. Didn't work.
- [45:17]
Kevin Clark
I just want to say on this note, I've been surprised at the reaction to Kevin Stefanski's interviews. Like, Dolphins fans were like, no, thank you. He won coach of the year twice. He knows how to run an offense. I know people were, especially Cleveland fans, because I tweeted something positive about Stefanski. They say, well, the team made a bunch of mistakes and penalties, and they're undisciplined. I still think Stevenski is a really good coach. I think gives you a really good floor. And I think that the roster gotten so bad on the offensive side of the ball, and they obviously were victims of he. Let's assume. Let's assume he didn't have as much a role in the Deshaun Watson trade as Andrew Berry and Jimmy hasn't. Let's assume that. Okay. I think that's probably the case. He was on the receiving end of the worst trade in the history of sports. And I don't think you can drop context. Oh, yeah. Oh, man, that's so. I never thought about that. That's so good for the Browns that the Luca trade happened.
- [46:15]
Ryan Rosillo
There's arguments to be made.
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Kevin Clark
I can't say it's the worst trade in sports anymore. Thank you, Nico. By the way, Nico was at the Miami game the other day. Did you know that?
- [46:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Never stop scouting. Never stop evaluating his. Dennis says he grinds in his sleep.
- [46:31]
Kevin Clark
Trying to give Malachi Tony away. All right, so Stefanski is good. I think. I'm intrigued to see what the Steelers do because I think Jerry Dulac had said yesterday there's zero percent chance that they hire a guy with experience. Like they're going to want the next Mike Tomlin, the next Bill Cower, the next Chuck Noel, all of whom I believe were defensive assistants, all of whom were young. I don't know if that means it's going to be a defensive assistant. Could be Kushula could be on the other side of the ball with the Rams. Nate Shieldhouse. I think there's a lot of possibilities there. I find this coaching cycle as intriguing as anything I've ever seen.
- [47:10]
Ryan Rosillo
What's up with this 30 year old guy that like, does he have incredible.
- [47:14]
Kevin Clark
PR or is Grant, Grant Udinsky? Yeah, the Jaguars guy. I'd say both, both Jaguars coordinators are going to get some looks. I don't. So I don't know. I've never met him. I've never met Grant Udinsky. What I'll say is that when you say incredible pr, it's typically. And again, I have no idea who his agent is. Typically, coaching agents are really good. There's like five of them and they're all awesome at their job. And when a name appears out of nowhere, typically they've either hired an agent or, or, or. And you'll see it. You're going to see it like, you're going to see guys like, I'm not talking about anybody you've already named. Like tomorrow you're going to see a national guy be like, you know, who should get a look and that's a guy you've never heard of. And then they're going to get a look like that's, that's how this tends to go. And I think that that's interesting. But I also think that that's part of. We don't know. We don't have any tape on these guys, right? It was like Grant units in Jacksonville. He's. Liam Cohen is a strong play caller there. So we don't, we don't know how good or not he is. We don't have much tape on that. He called plays in the preseason, I believe. So we have that tape. But I think that in general, coaching is an extremely inexact science.
- [48:35]
Ryan Rosillo
When I read that he called plays in the preseason, all I could think of was PR agent manipulation. I'm like, who the fuck ever says this about anybody that isn't on the radar? And probably if you're connected with him on the representation side, the point is to start to mental awareness clock for him. Like, you're like, hey, he's not getting a job in this cycle, but if we just kind of get a couple things out there. When I read that somebody was like, you know, people raved about his preseason game calling, I'm like, who? I was like, I don't know that I've read that a lot ever.
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Kevin Clark
So the other problem, credit to them.
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Ryan Rosillo
I'm not even mad about it.
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Kevin Clark
The other problem I have on my end is that when I do meet these guys, how they interview and explain their offense has very, very little to do with whether or not they're going to be a successful coach. Okay, like, just because you're thoughtful, like, I think we've talked about it. I interviewed Freddy Kitchens before he took the job. I did not think Freddy Kitchens was going to be an expeller. Check after that interview. Okay. So sometimes you get that. I thought the world of Brian Callahan because of our conversations in Cincinnati about Joe Burrow and how thoughtful he was and all that stuff. But he wasn't calling place. Zach Taylor was calling place. And then we saw him call place. I think Brian Callahan can still be an awesome offensive coordinator. Maybe one day he'll be an awesome head coach. But the only thing we had to go on was that Brian Callahan, when you're hiring him, was that he gave. He seemed like a very thoughtful guy in interviews, and he helped Joe Burrow prepare. And then he was kind of. He was heavily involved in the rise and the kind of. The blending of the playbooks between what they did at LSU, what they did with the Bengals, you know, the McVeigh Shanahan offense, merging it all together. Brian Callahan was the instrumental part of that. That seemed to not help in Tennessee with that roster. That seemed to not help with Cam Ward early on. And so it's hard for me now, and this is a lesson I've learned in the last three cycles, to say, oh, great example. Aaron Glenn. Aaron Glenn gave me great quotes on Dan Campbell. So he gets hired and I go, oh, he gets it. He gave me great quotes on Dan Campbell. Turns out that didn't help at all.
- [50:38]
Ryan Rosillo
Final thought here. Are you annoyed that the U is back is being replaced by. Is college football forever changed if the Hoosiers pull this off because the U I mean they're. Miami's an eight and a half point dog here. But the U is back thing is now like, you know, we don't even get to do it because the Hoosiers are on the cusp of accomplishing here next week.
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Kevin Clark
Well, Miami was a nine and a half point dog against Ohio State and I wasn't, I was at that game. I'll be at the game on Monday. I was never too worried about Ohio State winning that game. Once the game started, once the game started and that was going to be a fourth quarter game against Ohio State and Indiana. Game is very similar to me and we can get to that in a second. But what's interesting to me is so Patrick Everson does a great job covering the sports books. Had talked about this before Ohio State, the public really thinks Miami stinks from a betting perspective. And what was happening with Ohio State was the Sharps were trying to bet it down and because he thought it was going to be a close game and the public could not be hammering Ohio State more. That's happening with Indiana. If you look at the. I think at one point, I think I saw it was like 80% of bets were on Indiana at seven and a half and now it's climbed to eight and a half and we'll see if the Sharps are able to bet that down. I don't, if I, if I barely covered, if I barely watched college football, which most betters do, I would see the SMU and Louisville losses and go, oh, okay, whatever. But I'd also probably look at the Texas A and M win, the Ole Miss win, that defense, that offense was unbelievable and Miami was able to kind of corral them. And then obviously the Ohio State win. I'm shocked at the fact that there's still Miami still being dismissed even after those wins, that they haven't really played a bad game since the loss to smu, which has a lot of, had a lot of mitigating factors. I was really, I don't want to get in. I very rarely care about my mentions. I very rarely care about the reaction I get to anything. I was downright shocked, Rusillo, when I came on your show in November and you asked me if Notre Dame and Miami played now, who would win? I said Miami would win because the issue is that in August Notre Dame couldn't block Ruben Band, Nikki Mezador and they wouldn't be able to block him now. And I was shocked at that. I'm sorry. Shocked at the reaction that I got from saying what I thought was a pretty simple truth and the fact that has played itself out over the past month. And I probably would pick Miami to beat Notre Dame again if they played on Monday.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, you're better positioned now for that argument.
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Kevin Clark
But I was shocked at how negative the perception was of Miami going into those playoffs. And I hope that. I don't know a lot of the crystal ball jokes. You can say a lot of things. They show up in big games. They've beat Notre Dame, they've beat Ole Miss, they've beat Ohio State, they beat Texas A and M. When they seem to struggle is when it's the sleepy. He's lost four games over the past two years in the regular season and they've been sleepy Georgia Tech, Syracuse, Louisville, smu. Like they've been those sleepy games. He's beaten the rivals. He swept the rivals in each of the last two seasons. Neither of them were particularly close the in state rivals. And so I hope the conversation going forward changes around Miami. I doubt it does. It seems like people are dismissing the Ohio State win already. Caleb Downs and Kaden Curry said that Ohio State would win nine out of ten times. I disagree. They would get whipped on the line of scrimmage nine out of 10 times and we'd probably see a lot more than one win out of 10 if they played again. So I don't care if I'm called a homer about that because I'm right. And I almost rossillo to bring you into this. I almost in Dallas at the Ohio State game, I got pretty drunk, almost sent like a really taunting tweet and then decided not to because I was just so shocked at the reaction. No, no, no, no, no, no. To the reaction that I got after that pod. Like you look at my mentions after that pod and it was like there's no way. No, but it was like it was all these people saying there's no way you believe Miami's good.
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Al Michaels
There's no way.
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Kevin Clark
I believed it because I was right. And so it wasn't about you. It was about the reaction that I got from that and it was actually like it really pissed me off.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right, a lot of good points in there. I'm going to give you two words for this title game. Carson, Beck. How did you feel about the Ole Miss game?
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Kevin Clark
I felt that the last drive was really astounding. Those third down dimes, Aquila, Marion and stuff. The tip pick was bad, but that's that you can't put it on him. I think that the Ole Miss game, they shouldn't every game. It's actually funny you bring that up. Every big game they played this year. The games I mentioned, they've all looked the same, which is the first quarter, it looks like Miami's the more physical team. And then they just kind of fuck around with that information for three quarters. Like they don't go up. Three scores. They don't like, you know, they just like, whatever. And then in the fourth quarter, there's a gotta have it drive and they cash in. That has happened in, I believe, all four of those games. Notre Dame, Texas A and M, Ole Miss and Ohio State, all four. They had a fourth quarter drive where they just put it together. I think there's an awareness on how good the defense is. I think there's an awareness that Carson Beck gets in a lot of trouble when he throws the deep ball. That was a Louisville game. People keep talking about Jeff Brahm figuring out the Miami defense. No, they figured out that Carson Beck throws bad deep balls and you can catch them. And they threw four interceptions on that. Two of them just pure bad deep balls that were picked off by athletic defensive backs at Louisville. And so they're not going to ask him to do too much. I don't think he's. I think Fernando Mendoza is obviously going to do a hell of a lot more on the offensive side of the ball at the quarterback position. But I think that it can be. I'd be shocked if this wasn't a fourth quarter game.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right. Fair. Fair. I just. I'm going to say I trust Mendoza more than I trust your guy.
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Kevin Clark
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Although I'm not.
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Kevin Clark
I agree.
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Ryan Rosillo
I was more dismissive of your Miami arguments last year. November was a weird time for a lot of us because I feel like they were entering the college football rankings at the worst possible time where everybody was just like, hey, here we go again. And unfortunately, previous seasons stick to you for college football programs both positively and negatively. Like, if you're able to solve pre existing perceptions of things, then credit to you as a human being. It's just really hard to do. All right, so that means I'm going Hoosiers, you're going Canes. And then our NFL picks. Rapid fire. I got Rams, Houston, Denver. I'm going Denver at home. And then Seattle.
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Kevin Clark
Agree with you. Except Bills.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay. Shout out to the Buffalo Jills.
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Kevin Clark
I love it.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. That is Kevin Clark. This is football. Peyton Manning was on it. Not a. Not a name drop.
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Kevin Clark
Not a name drop.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right. Enjoy. Enjoy the weekend. Enjoy your national championship game, buddy.
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Kevin Clark
Thanks, buddy.
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Ryan Rosillo
This is a pleasure. It's an honor. We have Al Michaels from Amazon. Again, the Thursday Night Football broadcast of the NFL. And just a legendary voice, a voice that I grew up with, I'm sure so many of our listeners did. He joins us now with the Run the Back Miracle event presented by Michelob Ultra. He is in the locker room as we look back on something again that it's been a backdrop in sports history. Your call of that game. It's good to see you. Thanks for doing this, Al.
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Al Michaels
Oh, this is my pleasure. You know, anytime I can get associated with something like this, and when Michelob Ultra called and said, we'd like to be a part of this, I jumped at it because, you know, to come back and revisit Lake Placid, I don't get to do this very often. And then to get together with Jim Craig and Michael Ruzioni and Mark Johnson, it's gonna be very, very special.
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Ryan Rosillo
I always think about, like, when a famous actor runs into another famous actor, they don't even necessarily need to know each other, but they kind of know, like, they've had a very similar life and there's this immediate respect. I wonder what it's like for all of you to get together from this memory from 1980, and each year that it's celebrated what that connection is like for you to realize how special this was. I'm sure you knew it was special in the moment, but there has to be this extra level that just is so rewarding to you and everyone that played.
- [60:14]
Al Michaels
It is. And with the guys and I talk to them with some frequency. And especially, you know, when you had the 10th anniversary and 20th and 30th, 40th, the next big one coming up is going to be 50 in four years. But I mean, the story, I don't want to say it doesn't die. It gets better. It really does. And especially to be here in Lake Placid. I got here last night, had dinner with Mike Eruzioni And a few other people. And everybody in the restaurant, all of the service people, all the patrons, they couldn't wait to say hi and to share their remembrances of what that meant. And, you know, Ryan, if you were old enough to remember that night, the memory is fantastic. People can remember, let's say, Lake Placid number one, but then you have Pearl harbor, if you're old enough to remember that, or the Challenger blowing up in 1986, or John Kennedy getting assassinated in 63, and certainly 9, 11. They're all terrible memories. This is something that everybody just glows when they talk about it. And even if you weren't there, I think the movie Miracle and the documentary on hbo, and I know Netflix has another one coming up, it's kept that story alive. And people now can, even though they weren't here and are much younger, they know what it is. And every time, like a father and son or a grandson talks to me about it, they just smile and can't get enough stories.
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Ryan Rosillo
As people know, it's the construction of the roster, it's the favored Russians. Also the backdrop of peak Cold War stuff, or maybe, I guess you could say coming out of it a little bit, maybe I'm being a little bit too biased in how old I was. But then even the 84 Olympics, it's like, okay, it's in LA, so the positioning of Russia or the USSR at the time in America, and this just absolutely strained relationship. So I'm wondering, is it even possible to understand, even though that's all current event stuff that's happening at this time, is it even possible to realize their perspective of what this moment is going to mean as you were doing it?
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Al Michaels
I sort of did in a way, Ryan, because this country just wasn't in a very good space. And I mean that. We had a recession going on. Our hostages were being held in Iran. We felt very inept. The Soviets had invaded Afghanistan. We had threatened to boycott their summer games, which we did. And of course, they paid us back by not coming to our games. Four years later in Los Angeles, the prime rate was 19.5%. People can look that up. You had gas lines. A lot of things weren't very good at that particular time. And the Soviet Union was this great hockey team. We had a bunch of amateurs, average age 22. They were all listed as students and soldiers. They were professional hockey players. They played 11 months a year. They were paid to do this. They were the greatest team in the world, bar none. And then for us to have this happen at that Moment in time. It really galvanized the country. Like nothing I could think of could have done it at that particular time.
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Ryan Rosillo
Were you more nervous about the outcome or. I mean, is it true that you had only called one other hockey game ever?
- [63:32]
Al Michaels
That is absolutely the truth. What happened? Remember, I'm on. I'm the young guy on a Mount Rushmore staff that included Howard Cosell, Jim McKay, Keith Jackson, Chris Schenkel, Frank Gifford. I'm the new kid on the block. So why did I get the hockey assignment? All of those guys had never done a hockey game. I did one. I grew up in New York. I love the New York Rangers. I knew what icing was. I knew what offside was, and that's how I got that job.
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Ryan Rosillo
I love talking to you about your. Just listening to you talk about your career. So this is fun for me. Were you more excited when you started as a scout for the Dating Game, or you were like, hey, I'm kind of Miss Baseball?
- [64:15]
Al Michaels
That was before I actually started my broadcasting career. I got married. I'm still married to the same fabulous woman to this day. And we had gotten married, I think, on August 27, 1966. So I'm looking for a broadcasting job, but we are working for the dating gig. And Chuck Barris, who's one of the craziest guys of all time, wrote books, did movies, the whole thing. And he also started a show called the Newlywed Game. So I am helping to pick the girls for the Dating Game. It's a hell of a job. But I'm a newlywed myself, so I had to be very careful. And my wife was also working in the office at that time, so I could go just so far.
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Ryan Rosillo
That's good. I didn't know she was working. I didn't know the backstop of that one, because I know the Chick Hearn story. And I know that you, you know, you ended up having a great relationship with him. But it's funny because, like, my first job was to play by play minor league baseball. You know, I had grown up in Massachusetts. You know, I loved all the old school guys. You know, just. There's something about baseball, even on the radio, you know, it just reminds you of growing up. It reminds you of summer. Just this kind of beautiful backdrop and the skills that it takes to call hockey, to call basketball, football, and then baseball and, like, baseball. As I'm getting started, I'm really insecure. And I'm also like. Like, it's funny, there was somebody who was already established that was in the booth that was calling all the games. And then, oddly enough, they were like, hey, you're going to have this Ryan guy call three innings with you every game. And my guy, Dan o', Toole, at the time was incredibly nice to me. But I could also understand that he's turning you aside, being like, whose idea was this? So, as I've read about your story where you thought you were going to be calling the Lakers and you end up being fired as you're getting on the plane, I know that initially you thought it was Chick Hearn, but that had to be just an unbelievable tease and moment in your career where you're like, maybe this isn't going to work out.
- [66:01]
Al Michaels
Well, my career is going to start as Chick Hearn's color announcer or analyst. He had none. In those years, Chick had always worked by himself, but Jack Ken Cook owned the team, and he was trying to get Chick to embrace bringing somebody in with him. And that somebody turned out to be Hot Rod Hundley. So I was. Who was just retired as a player. So I was the sacrificial lamb. I'd gotten a job. I was going to work in pr. I get a call one day, no, you're going to be Chick Hearn's color man. What did that mean, Ryan? I'll tell you what it meant. When we were on radio, I did the halftime stats, and at the end of the game, I did the end of the game stats on television. I just sat there and kept stats for chit. That lasted about, oh, 12 games, counting about four preseason games. And then we're ready to make a trip early that season to Boston and Cincinnati. I am now also the traveling secretary, and I get to lax, and my job is to hand out the tickets to the guys on a commercial flight. And Bill Van Bredikoff is the coach. And Bill says, hey, listen. He said, I just got word for the office. Let me have those tickets. I'll take care of them. You've got to call Alan Rothenberg, who was a big guy in soccer, all in subsequent years. And I knew that I was going to get fired. So I knew I had to go back to Beverly Hills, get fired. But the hardest thing for me, Ryan, at that point, I'd already checked my bags. So now I have to get my bags off that plane before that plane leaves for Boston. And here I am. They said they'll be able to do it, and they did. But I'm a lone figure at the carousel at lax, waiting for my bags to come down, waiting to go to see Rothenberg to get fired and making the call to my wife, which I know is going to be the hardest thing of all.
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Ryan Rosillo
Did you think, like, did you understand all the moving you couldn't have at that young and being so new to the business? I don't know that you could have understood what all the moving parts would have been as this thing is happening to you, Right?
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Al Michaels
Yeah, but I had a sense, first of all, I'm going, what am I doing as Shick Hearn's color man? I'm not a color man. I'm a guy who reads some stats, keep stats, read stats. That wasn't the job. I didn't understand what my role was, but I couldn't turn that down. Wow. I'm going to get on the air. So I sort of could sense that this was not going to end particularly pleasantly. And I mean, the irony. There's so many ironies in my life, Ryan. I mean, so I wind up, obviously, you know, going to abc, doing Monday Night Football. And my first super bowl was in 1987. And wouldn't you know it, the Washington Redskins are in that super bowl to play the Denver Broncos in San Diego. And who owns the Redskins? Jack Kent Cook, the guy who had fired me, who'd hired me, fired me, broke my heart, right? And he did an interview with somebody in the Washington Post or Washington Times, I can't remember which, in which he took credit for my career. I had to call that writer and disabused that part of the story.
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Ryan Rosillo
You did call the writer.
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Al Michaels
Oh, I did. I said. I said, you can't believe this crap. Come on, this guy almost ended my career. So anyway, and then, of course, his team won, 42 to 10. What can I tell you?
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, I can imagine after, like, you know, you have to be pretty driven, right? You have to have an idea of what you want to do at that point that, you know, we can all sit here and say, hey, put in the work and all this kind of stuff. I think there's an obsessive line of like, I don't care what anyone else thinks about. Of what my path is going to be like. I know that my path needs to be all these things. And, you know, as everybody that knows your story, you end up in Hawaii after all this. There must have been some moments you go, hey, maybe this tempo of life for me is just fine. And I don't need to be in a major marketer. I don't need to be. I wonder if you ever let your mind flirt with the idea that I don't need all of it.
- [69:51]
Al Michaels
Never. Ryan. I was totally driven as a kid at Arizona State, and I got to announce tons of games at Arizona State as a student, including a baseball team that had Sal Bando, Rick Monday and Reggie Jackson on it. So I'd had a lot of experience. And that's how I wound up getting the Hawaii job, the minor league job in Hawaii. But I always dreamed big, big, big, big, big. I wanted to do the World Series, I wanted to do the Olympics. The super bowl didn't even exist when I was in college. And then when it came into being and I got to abc, so I was able to. I was one of those lucky guys who lived out every dream. But let me tell you something. A lot of it had to do with my naivete. I thought, oh, I can do this. Of course I could do this. And then I think back to some of the breaks I got along the way, and I go, whoa, how in the world did that happen? So I have a rabbit's foot in my back pocket or something, or a four leaf clover, because all this stuff came to fruition. But I look back now and I go, whoa, how did I wind up there? At that point, when I was doing the Hawaii Islanders, we were the most successful minor league franchise. We drew almost a half a million people. That got me into the mix for the Cincinnati Reds job. And I'm 26 years old, the Big Red machine. I get hired to do Rose bench, Morgan Perez, that team. So that's the launching pad, really for me at that particular time. In the early 70s, I worked with.
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Ryan Rosillo
Chris Fowler for a bunch of years at espn. I love Chris. And he had said something in an interview because he didn't say it to me, but he had said something in an interview once where he was like, I want to be attached to history. I want my voice to be heard. And I was thinking like, oh, man, maybe I need to have higher goals for myself. What a profound statement. When you knew you were prepping for this game, what were. What were you trying to like, you know, you're going like, okay, do I need to come up with some way if they have an upset? Like what went into the prep for that game for you to tell that story if it were going to play out the way it ultimately did?
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Al Michaels
I didn't think the US Had a chance to win the game. Why? Because Ken Dryden and I had gone over to the Soviet Union about a month and a half before the Olympics to scout all of the teams except for the US team, they weren't there. And I had seen the Soviets play any number of games, and I saw them in the run up to Lake Placid. They would toy with people. They might win a game. 4, 3. They could have won the game by whatever score they wanted to. They beat us 10, 3 in our exhibition game at Madison Square Garden three days before the Olympics. It could have been 20 to nothing. They were just so much better than every team. So our hotel here in Lake Placid was about four or five blocks from the arena. The game is going to start at 5:00'.
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Kevin Clark
Clock.
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Al Michaels
And Kenny and I left the Hilton hotel at like 1:15. And in that 10 to 15 minute walk, I think I said to Ken at one point, what's the best we can hope for to keep an audience? If it's like three one Soviets midway through the second period, at least the audience would be hanging around at that point. I'm thinking totally in television terms. I just feared it was going to be six to nothing. I thought they would blow us out of the building. And in that game, as you know, we came from behind three times. They outshot us 39, 16. So much of that game was played in front of Jim Craig. They put intense pressure on, and then out of nowhere, Mark Johnson gets that goal. At the end of the first period, as time expires, Jim Craig is fabulous. In the second period, they outshoot us 12 to 2, but it's only 3 to 2. Get a power play goal from Mark Johnson in the third, and then Ruzzioni scores with 10 minutes to play, I'm going, whoa. Then all of a sudden it's like. It's almost surreal. Is this really happening in terms of trying to button up the game? Absolutely not, Ryan, because I was working in a very intense state of concentration. Crowd is going crazy. The production truck is going crazy, screaming gibberish into my ears. The booth is shaking. And it was all I could do to just concentrate. I was like a horse with blinkers. Call the play. Play by play by play. And the Soviets are putting pressure on. So to come up with the line at the end, the game could have ended with a Soviet goal. And how stupid would some line have sounded at that point? The game could have wound up as a 4, 4 tie. But when the puck came out to center ice with about six or seven seconds remaining, I remember the word that came into my brain was miraculous. And miraculous got morphed into a question and an answer, and it's like, whoo, game over. And then all I knew it's television. And I think at one point I said, no words necessary, only pictures. What was I going to do? Put into people's minds what they were thinking. You had this vast country with a lot of diversity and different thoughts. So I thought. But the pictures told the story. And look, I got unbelievably lucky coming up with, I guess, a coda. And the word miracle was the title of the movie that they did back in 2004. But believe me, I have some periods of time, Ryan, where I think back and I go, man, oh man, I could have screwed that baby up too. So again, there's that rabbit sweat again.
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Ryan Rosillo
What I've always thought about it though, and I know a little bit of that story. I'm so glad that you shared it with us here, is that the unexpectedness of that game led to such a natural reaction that it was way better than you planning out anything because it was so unexpected. It's why we remember this game so much, for all the reasons that we're pointing out, but that you were able to allow a completely natural reaction at what I think now is a spot where so many, and I don't blame play by play people for doing this. You want to be prepared, you want to have some sort of moment for a Super bowl win, for a World Series, on and on and on. But it was so human and it was exactly what everybody was feeling at the time, that it was the best thing ever, that we ended on a scenario that you were never imagining, never imagined.
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Al Michaels
And, you know, the other thing too is if you're doing a Super bowl or whatever other big event it is, you know, the crowd is mainly 50, 50. You got this group rooting for one team, this group rooting for another team, and a lot of people neutral, just enjoying the game itself. This was the one game I did where 99.9% of the audience is going one way. So that line will work for that. And I always say that 1/10 of 1%, a bunch of KGB agents maybe somewhere out in the middle of Nebraska who cared about them. So I don't like to root at the end of a game. And whatever I try to say, I try to make it down the middle and not lean one way or another, just talk to the drama of the game. But that worked for that particular game. So I couldn't have gotten luckier.
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Ryan Rosillo
This is incredibly cool. Al Michaels joining us from the locker room here. Thanks to Michelob Ultra and the run back, the miracle event. I know that you have a lot planned here in this partnership as we ramp things up. So just close with, With. With whatever else you have going on.
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Al Michaels
Well, I'm just. I'm very excited to be here because this is going to be a great night. We're in the arena, the Herb Brooks Memorial arena here in Lake Plassan. And to come back here, I mean, now I can. I can feel it in my bones. Obviously, you know, they've done a lot of work in the arena and all of that, but to be back here with Mike and Jim and with Mark Johnson, who's done a fantastic job as the women's hockey coach, I think they won eight national championships at the University of Wisconsin, probably on their way to a ninth and half of his team is going to be on the US Women's Olympic team coming up in Milan. So it's. It's great at this point in my life and my career to be able to come back here one more time. You know, thanks to Michelob Ultra, putting this whole thing together is wonderful. It just, it's. And I've got my two grandsons here as well, so, I mean, this is like, the perfect night for me, Al.
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Ryan Rosillo
I appreciate it so much. And like I said, I have a bunch of friends that work with you, just love being around you, love stories, professionalism, the whole deal. So enjoy this, and I hope you enjoy it every single year. And we look forward to watching you on Thursdays for a long time. Thanks. Before we get to life advice, the Alliance Divisional round marches on. Saruti, Kyle, who's got the board as of right now?
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Ceruti
Well, I mean, NFL wise, we've only done one bet before this. Kyle and I did hit last week.
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Kyle
But we're dual threats all together, right?
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Ryan Rosillo
What is it all together?
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Ceruti
I think it is me still, technically, because I've got those two, like, you know, null bets that Kyle hates, but.
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't know, man.
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Ceruti
That's what happens.
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Ryan Rosillo
But all right, hey, real is real.
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Al Michaels
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't know.
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Ceruti
What do you want me to say? Like, okay, Kyle, you're also doing fine. That would help Ryan. You know, there's a little room for improvement, but I'm not. I'm not worried.
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Ryan Rosillo
Would I give out the packers last week?
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Ceruti
You had the Jags. Oh, I had the under and Niners. Eagles. Kyle had Drake May rushing yards, which was way over. So if we're doing overall records, Ryan's four and six. Kyle. I'm sorry, Ryan. Yeah, Ryan's four and six. Kyle's six and four. I'm five, three and two.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right.
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Ceruti
Come on.
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Ryan Rosillo
Sorry, Julie.
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Kyle
All right. Anyway.
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Ceruti
All right, Kyle, lead us off.
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Kyle
I guess I should go then, right?
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Ryan Rosillo
I was going to.
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Kyle
I was going to do the. That was a little. I think you should leave reference that my dad and I love, in case anybody was wondering. But I was trying to do the Drake May. I was trying to do the Drake May rushing. But they've, like, totally jacked it up now, and it's like, something I don't feel comfortable with. I think it was like they wanted to be, like, almost 40. Like, I'm not going to. Not going to ruin our parlay with that. So I went with Ramondre Stevenson, rush and receiving yards. Been getting a couple touches in the backfield now, so that's going to be.
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Kevin Clark
Plus.
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Kyle
I think they raised it. I had it at 63 and a half. We are moving it up to 64 and a half. Still feel pretty good.
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Ryan Rosillo
Good correct Russian receiving. Madre.
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Kyle
Hold on to the ball.
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Ceruti
Ryan, why don't you go? Because you're in the same game.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right, so I'll go Houston plus three on the road. Okay. Sorry, Kyle.
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Kyle
This has been such a bummer of a podcast with your Houston love. I knew we were going to end up meeting each other eventually. It's been super huge bummer.
- [80:16]
Ryan Rosillo
I love that front four. I don't know what to tell you. Love it.
- [80:19]
Kyle
Sorry. The schedule was so easy and everyone who didn't watch it had to just complain about games I never watched, but whatever.
- [80:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Do you want me to stay in the jets game after it was 47?
- [80:28]
Kyle
I really enjoyed it.
- [80:29]
Al Michaels
I really did.
- [80:30]
Ryan Rosillo
You should enjoy it. Yeah, I enjoyed that stuff, too, back in the day.
- [80:35]
Ceruti
Both things could be true. They had a terrible schedule and they're still a good team. I feel like that's reasonable to say, you know.
- [80:40]
Kyle
Yeah, I haven't heard much of that on this show. Just more of the schedule thing. But Drake May. There's been a lot of Drake May love, which I've.
- [80:45]
Ryan Rosillo
So you missed the other show you worked on. Does it like the Pats more?
- [80:51]
Kyle
It did like the Pats a little more.
- [80:53]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. It might be, you know, fair. It's a fair question. I wasn't even trying to start anything. I wasn't trying to make it tense or anything, but I just.
- [80:59]
Kyle
Yeah, I know.
- [80:59]
Ryan Rosillo
That's what I get you.
- [81:00]
Kyle
You know, you open a can of worms.
- [81:02]
Ryan Rosillo
Sorry.
- [81:03]
Kyle
What's your bet?
- [81:04]
Ceruti
I'm uncomfortable now, so I'm just going to go. I'm going to take the over in Rams, Bears. I try to figure out how to like a bunch of different ways to bet this Rams team total over Caleb Williams passing yards over. But like, I don't know. I think these two defenses are kind of sneaky, not great. And you know, if one of them scores, the other one's gonna have to kind of keep up. So I like over 40 and a half, Rams, Bears. I like the Rams to win too, but I'll take the over.
- [81:27]
Ryan Rosillo
And that weather, right?
- [81:29]
Kevin Clark
Yeah.
- [81:30]
Ceruti
Not worried about it.
- [81:31]
Ryan Rosillo
Not worried about chucking a ball. 23 degrees.
- [81:34]
Ceruti
It was cold in the packers game too. And that thing was. I mean, honestly, your best case is probably take the second half over because, like, Bears second halfs are insane. Caleb just like goes off and starts slow and then goes off. So maybe that's if you're looking for something spicy. But no, I'm not worried about the cold.
- [81:47]
Ryan Rosillo
Come on, he's in first place. Why am I even messing with any of your picks? I love it. Yeah, arguably.
- [81:52]
Ceruti
Hey, tell Kyle that.
- [81:54]
Ryan Rosillo
All right.
- [81:55]
Ceruti
Those three get us to plus 700. So this is a nice little bet for your boys.
- [81:59]
Ryan Rosillo
I like it. I feel really good about it this week.
- [82:01]
Kevin Clark
You want details?
- [82:02]
Ryan Rosillo
Fine. I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up?
- [82:08]
Kevin Clark
I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.
- [82:11]
Ryan Rosillo
I have every toy you can possibly.
- [82:12]
Kevin Clark
Imagine, and best of all, kids, I am liquid.
- [82:17]
Ryan Rosillo
So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Let's get to it. LifeAdvice, LifeAdvice rrmail.com hello to everyone, including our international audience. All right, anything. Anything we need to cover real quick? No, just. Yeah, all right.
- [82:37]
Ceruti
I watched that. Well, real quick.
- [82:39]
Ryan Rosillo
I watched that. Yeah. Okay, nevermind.
- [82:41]
Ceruti
The Dave Franco Alison Brie together movie last night.
- [82:46]
Ryan Rosillo
It was intense.
- [82:49]
Al Michaels
Wow.
- [82:49]
Ceruti
Anything about it?
- [82:51]
Kyle
The first I've heard of it, I think.
- [82:52]
Ceruti
Oh, it's crazy. It's basically like, you know, it's not really like a spoiler thing, but like they go into some cave and then their bodies just start like, attracting to each other and they just like become like. They start like melding with each other, essentially.
- [83:05]
Ryan Rosillo
Huh. It feels like a spoiler alert.
- [83:07]
Ceruti
Wild movie. No, that's kind of what the trailer was about.
- [83:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Like amoebas.
- [83:15]
Kyle
That's what I'm picturing.
- [83:16]
Ceruti
Yeah, I guess, in a way. But like, you know, in one thing, their arms are just like, you know, they're just together and they gotta like, basically cut them off. It's intense. It's like a body horror. Took me a while to go to sleep last Night.
- [83:27]
Kyle
Is it like Stranger Things where they keep totally randomly guessing exactly the supernatural thing that's going on through metaphors? You're like, dude, that could have been anything. And you just guessed what the fuck that was.
- [83:40]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, yeah.
- [83:40]
Ceruti
There can't be any Stranger Things slander on this pod.
- [83:43]
Ryan Rosillo
Now, come on.
- [83:43]
Kyle
I just found it a little funny that through five seasons they were like, oh, and what if this acorn is.
- [83:49]
Ryan Rosillo
Vecna and this is us?
- [83:50]
Kyle
And what if we just have to walk backwards and that's how we get into. It's like, what? It's like there was constantly figuring out things that scientists could never figure out. And these kids are just like, oh, yeah, it's kind of like the Dungeons and Dragons.
- [84:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Anyway, whatever. I didn't watch it, so I don't. I don't know what you're talking about.
- [84:06]
Ceruti
I did.
- [84:06]
Al Michaels
You're right.
- [84:07]
Kyle
Damn. I was hoping you were, because you would have been like, yeah, there was a little.
- [84:09]
Ceruti
There's no way Stranger Things guy. You would hate that show.
- [84:12]
Ryan Rosillo
With all due respect. I watched the first few episodes and I thought it was, like, so cool, so incredibly done. All these different things that they were capturing, I think, like, in that sense.
- [84:21]
Kyle
Then they franchised it and you're like, I'm out.
- [84:23]
Ryan Rosillo
No, Modine started going at me. Yeah, that's right. From this lap pull down thing. And so I was like, you know.
- [84:30]
Kyle
Not giving this guy views.
- [84:33]
Ryan Rosillo
What are we doing? Totally forgot. All right. We had a follow up on the Am I a dick? Email where the guy celebrated his friend's birthday who was in Italy with his girlfriend, took the pictures, I think. I can't imagine any sane person not agreeing with everything that we said about that one. Although you never know, you know. Sampling, we haven't got all the poll data back yet. Love the show. The guy that wrote in is a dick for giving that effing P word. $100 gift card.
- [85:02]
Ceruti
P word.
- [85:04]
Kyle
Did you do that or was that a crafted email?
- [85:09]
Ryan Rosillo
What do you mean, did I.
- [85:10]
Kyle
Did you put the P word in there? Did you substitute that or.
- [85:12]
Ryan Rosillo
He wrote that.
- [85:12]
Ceruti
I did.
- [85:13]
Ryan Rosillo
I subbed it out. I just don't know. I mean, it's a perfect word for sometimes how I feel about myself at times.
- [85:19]
Al Michaels
Yeah.
- [85:19]
Ryan Rosillo
You know, so I may. I may call myself it a cold turkey.
- [85:22]
Ceruti
P word is just. It's tough. Yeah. Like, you know, just to read that, like, it's just like, oh, all right. We're just going to say it.
- [85:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Especially with the transition. I mean, it was both, like, there was no Warmup where we get right to it. And the whole email was one sentence. So. Okay, what am I supposed to do with that? Okay. All right, question here. Little maintenance. Longtime listener, mostly exclusively on audio. Was excited to check you guys out on Netflix. Confused why Kyle is voicing the Aflac intro. Is it a clearance thing? I've never watched on YouTube or Spotify, so maybe it's always been that way on video.
- [85:59]
Ceruti
Yeah, basically.
- [86:01]
Kyle
He nailed it, actually.
- [86:02]
Ceruti
Yeah. I mean, we couldn't use it. And we were like, what do we do? And I really like the animation that our guy Francis did. And I was like, I don't want to lose this. What could we do? So I asked legal, could we have Kyle voice it? They said, yes. Surprisingly and honestly, I think it's. I think it's awesome. Like, genuinely. I'm not even blowing smoke, dude. I think it's very good.
- [86:21]
Kyle
I love that because I was really nervous to send it out.
- [86:23]
Ceruti
So now the cadence is right. It, like, doesn't really miss. You added, like, the little keychain stuff, the key toss in there, like, for the audio.
- [86:29]
Kyle
There's some reverb on there.
- [86:30]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah. There's a little Easter egg in there too, as well. Maybe it's not that compliment or complicated to figure out, but, yeah, that's it. And Cerutty was the one that told me. He was like, what do we do here? I was like, bring in. Honestly, the most real. You're the most like any Affleck character. Okay. If you think about it, you know?
- [86:53]
Kyle
Ah, well, you know what? I do we have some similar stats. Yeah, I think so. Some. Some that aren't very similar, but, yes.
- [87:00]
Ryan Rosillo
I'd fucking kill to have what you have. All right. Can I switch to cowboy boots? I like this one specific.
- [87:12]
Kyle
I have this question.
- [87:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Hey, guys. First time, long time. 6, 4, 2, 27. I'd say yes. But that's a lot of height with the boots. I'll get right to it. Can I switch to wearing cowboy boots? I have a friend who does. It looks cool and he swears I can. I love the simplicity of this email. I just have to commit to it, but I have my doubts. Facts below for your help in assessing. Love the show. I live in the south. Have for 20 years, but I live in metro Charlotte, so not exactly Big sky country. No, Born and raised in Delaware. Again, not Big sky country. My mom grew up on a farm, and I would visit my grandmother there, but that's about as close as I've ever come to living or working on a Farm or ranch. I do not own a truck. I do not hunt. I don't know that you have to have a truck, but there's a few cars you probably can't have. You're going to be getting out of it in a pair of cowboy boots and you're going to be rocking it like six, six in these things too. Which, which, who knows? Who doesn't want to be six' six some days? So go for it. But I like that you're worried about it. I would say go for it. I'm not going to lie. I've looked at a couple pairs every now and then. I had. I have a pair Border patrol. Back when people didn't hate the border patrol. He was a border patrol guy in Texas, the old Rio Grande, in the 70s, I think, early 80s. And so he always had cowboy boots, but he was in law enforcement and, you know, whatever. I mean, he was living in Texas, so I think it made sense. Then my dad had a pair for a little while. I don't think it took because that made him even like a weird. He always argued that 6, 5 to 6, 7 is when it gets weird. I think he may have just said it because he was 65 and he just felt like, hey, I'm the perfect height. And then he's like, once you get over that, it's like the one extra inch. Right, right. Like you just made it six 7's up there in those boots. I just think that there has to be some kind of car where when you get out of it, you're stepping down.
- [89:01]
Kyle
Okay, sure.
- [89:02]
Ryan Rosillo
I think there needs to be a decent amount of ground clearance for the car that you're getting out of if you're going to be. I mean, are we talking full time cowboy boot guy? Are we talking, you know, these perfect jeans type deal? Yeah. Look, there's a lot of, a lot of things you can pull off here. Like I wore a pair in college a couple times and that didn't go well at all. And that was it. Those were really good.
- [89:22]
Al Michaels
Yeah.
- [89:22]
Kyle
You try stuff in college?
- [89:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, you're always trying stuff. There's always wearing suits.
- [89:26]
Kyle
We've been over this. Yeah, mismatched suits. It does kind of match.
- [89:32]
Ryan Rosillo
I can't imagine some of the fraternities, it was like, you're going to be a cowboy hat guy, but dude.
- [89:39]
Al Michaels
You'Ve.
- [89:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Got a place in Sun Valley. Like, I actually do, like a little ranching. You're from, you're from Westport. Like, this doesn't work. Anyway. Sorry, got distracted.
- [89:52]
Kyle
So I only have I very limited experience with this. I think there's more like la. I guess it's probably just an anomaly, right? Like, dudes just decide they're going to wear hats and boots and they're not from one of those places. And I think maybe LA is just a different thing. But I'm wondering, like, is it. Do you think it's weirder in the south if, like, there are people that probably know guys who are like, about that cowboy boot life and they just see you walking around or if you're just in a place where it doesn't actually make sense. Like, like maybe upstate New York. Because I do have a pair of.
- [90:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Boots that we had a.
- [90:26]
Kyle
We had a Toccova sponsorship a bunch of years ago and I jumped on that and I'm actually not very sturdy. I'm kind of like a fucking baby deer in them. They're a little slippery on the bottom, but like, so that, that like not being super confident walking in them as well as not being confident outside wearing them. I'm not really sure what I should be doing. La. It seemed like there was a place in Hollywood called like Desert five and it's just like a cowboy themed rooftop bar. Two things that really don't go together. But it's like, all right, this is la. Everyone's out of their minds. So now that I'm here, I look at them every once in a while. They're next to my shoe rack and I'm just wondering, like, do you think maybe upstate New York is a place to try this out?
- [91:05]
Ceruti
Probably not. I mean, every.
- [91:07]
Kyle
Yeah, I know. Where do I have to go?
- [91:09]
Ceruti
I think you might just.
- [91:09]
Kyle
They're tough to pack in a suitcase.
- [91:11]
Ceruti
You know, Might be a poshmark situation.
- [91:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Where it's just like, you gotta give.
- [91:13]
Kyle
Up, you know, it's not gonna total give up. Yeah.
- [91:16]
Ceruti
But I think. I. I don't know, I'm.
- [91:17]
Ryan Rosillo
I.
- [91:18]
Ceruti
It is funny.
- [91:18]
Ryan Rosillo
Our son one day could do that.
- [91:21]
Ceruti
You never know where he'll end up.
- [91:25]
Ryan Rosillo
That was an odd tone.
- [91:26]
Ceruti
No, no, no. I'm just saying like he could be.
- [91:28]
Kyle
Now that you mentioned everyone's.
- [91:29]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm not.
- [91:30]
Al Michaels
It wasn't.
- [91:30]
Ceruti
There was nothing mean about it. Just Halo knows. He's like, maybe he's moving to Austin too, like everybody else.
- [91:35]
Kyle
And yeah, we're going to do any live shows.
- [91:37]
Ryan Rosillo
But it is funny.
- [91:37]
Kyle
South somewhere this year there are like.
- [91:39]
Ceruti
Regions obviously have their own, like, uniform. Right. Their own dress code. Like, do people who. There's like somebody from the south who moves into the Northeast that they automatically have to start wearing, like, you know, the patty agonia vest and collared shirt, button down. Do they feel like posers if they're not, like, in finance or something? Like, I don't know. I think if you're walking around, people aren't going to ask too many questions. And if you wear it confidently, you're probably going to be fine. Charlotte's like, close enough where I think.
- [92:02]
Kyle
You got a big thing.
- [92:03]
Ceruti
I don't think it's that big of a deal. I remember, you know, back in the day working on Will Kane show. He wear cowboy boots all the time with a pair of Levi's. And dude, it looked great. He was in Connecticut for most of the time.
- [92:12]
Ryan Rosillo
It's just about how he's a slim guy, too.
- [92:14]
Kyle
Tucked in shirt, slim guy.
- [92:15]
Ceruti
He looked good in him. I couldn't personally. I don't think I could personally pull that off, but I thought.
- [92:18]
Ryan Rosillo
But he's legitimately like a Texas guy.
- [92:21]
Ceruti
He is. And yeah, I think he even tried to rant.
- [92:24]
Ryan Rosillo
He read Lonesome Dove and, like, moved to go work on a ranch.
- [92:28]
Kevin Clark
Yep.
- [92:28]
Ceruti
He had the. He had the bonafides.
- [92:29]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I went degree wow. They said that he showed up with, like, a revolver and the old ranch hands were like, what are you going to do with that? Throw it at the bear. They were like, making fun of his gun. Like, he said he was that guy. Like, he read Lonesome Dove, blew his mind, got a job on a ranch, thought he was going to write a great American novel and bought a gun and started riding around. And he was like, in the beginning, it was all. All that ever happened was the older guys just made fun of me the whole time, told me I suck. I was like, man, that must have been great.
- [93:04]
Ceruti
Just living the dream.
- [93:06]
Al Michaels
How's work?
- [93:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, everyone hates me.
- [93:12]
Kyle
I think Charlotte's actually. I'd say you get the green light for me.
- [93:15]
Ryan Rosillo
Are we saying that though, because we're all northeast guys? Because I don't could be Charlotte that way. Like, sure. Is there a crew of guys that you could probably look ultimately far outside of Charlotte?
- [93:25]
Kyle
Would you have to go before you weren't surprised that there was like a bar with dudes that had their cowboy boots on? How far would you have to go? Really?
- [93:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, if it's based on how far a bar is with these kinds of. Of themes, like, I could argue that down the street from espn, good old Cadillac Ranch that never disappointed that people weren't. There you go. Yeah, it was honestly, I believe.
- [93:46]
Kyle
Well, that's A bit of a cosplay, right?
- [93:48]
Ryan Rosillo
The number one line dancing bar in the Northeast or some. Some ridiculous stat. And that place I used to live in, the hotel that shared the parking lot and that place went off. People would come from all over New England to go to that thing. So how about a grocery store?
- [94:04]
Kyle
How about a grocery store?
- [94:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Honestly, I think it's about what's up here in the old brain.
- [94:10]
Kyle
Okay.
- [94:10]
Ryan Rosillo
If you want to wear them and you like the way you look, who gives a shit?
- [94:16]
Kyle
I think you should try to have a good first experience, you know what I mean, when you're doing it. So maybe pick the right thing to go to wearing them. I don't know if I'd go to.
- [94:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Work in them, but I don't know.
- [94:34]
Ceruti
I remember my dad went to Santa Fe and came back with a Stetson hat and was all pumped about it.
- [94:39]
Kyle
Those are pretty hard not to buy.
- [94:40]
Ryan Rosillo
When I see him.
- [94:41]
Kyle
Dude, those are pretty hard to buy.
- [94:43]
Ceruti
I tell you what though, never seen him wear it one time.
- [94:44]
Kyle
Yeah, that's what I think would happen.
- [94:46]
Ceruti
It doesn't play in Connecticut, unfortunately.
- [94:48]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Let's see here. We get a gym. 1 speakers at the gym. Am I wrong? 31.6, 3, 2, 10, 25 bench. 405 squats. Deadlift. Don't really care to go higher after some long term injuries from 16 years of playing rugby. All right, so we've got a rugged dude here. I was just at the gym now working out. He sent it. Wow. He sent it as soon as it happened. In between sets, I hear your voice being drowned out, but what I can only describe is unintelligible throat screaming. I take my headphones out and try to see if it's the gym playing music through the speakers, which would be weird to do at midnight UK time. All right, so we're guys overseas. I turn around, just see two younger guys, about five nine, one seven zero each. Damn, there's two of them.
- [95:34]
Kyle
There's two of them. That sucks. That already sucks.
- [95:36]
Ryan Rosillo
Mike Blaley wouldn't care. Each have a speaker out blasting it. I've never had an issue telling people to stop playing music in public as I'm quite big and have been punched in the face enough to know I can take it. Wow, this guy's just unloading the resume. Toughness. I stand up and say, quote, hey, can you turn that down? I can hear it over my headphones. They both instantly jump up and ask why they shoot good. Oh no.
- [95:58]
Kyle
Giza.
- [96:01]
Ryan Rosillo
That they come in all the time and do that nobody has an issue. They don't. As I've been going to the gym five days a week here for seven years, I've never seen them. I tell them, okay, they're probably annoyed listening to this shit, but don't want to deal with you. I don't mind telling someone to be rude, to stop. They then go on about how it's a public gym, they can do what they want to. Which I retort, yes, it's a shared space, but not your sitting room. Have respect for others. They then claim if I just asked them politely, they'd have done it. Now I'm just going to turn it up louder, which is an obvious lie because I already talked to them politely and they got aggressive. I end the confrontation by saying, aren't you embarrassed to publicly tell everyone you're too poor to afford nice headphones? Whoa, love that, Love that. That's a tough to which they try and make fun of my old running shorts and hoodie.
- [96:47]
Kyle
Damn.
- [96:48]
Ryan Rosillo
I think your comeback was way, way tougher because if you're a decent sized guy and you went hoodie, running shorts and you were putting together a workout, you probably whatever. I then put my phone down, turn it onto video which picks up the music and send it to the gym's complaint office. Oh, so he took a video of him. So now I feel like a bitch for not just turning off their music in a snitch for telling further. I have quite middle class accent, so I feel calling someone out who probably not as well off as I am pours quite out of the line. I think I'm just sick of music in public and needed event.
- [97:25]
Ceruti
Yeah.
- [97:26]
Kyle
I don't know. When things start getting mixed up in a argument, I think there's. That's not a line you can cross that one. There's a couple that you wouldn't cross. But you know, I think that's okay if you're just trying to hurt feelings. You got to be efficient. So I think that's okay.
- [97:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [97:41]
Ceruti
And you clearly won that, that, that exchange. So I think you're fine. It would be funny like can you. I'm trying to think, can you tap in if it's like a Bluetooth speaker and just tap into one of their speakers and start playing stuff that you want to play.
- [97:51]
Kyle
I think you'd have to unpair. You'd have to be pretty sneaky.
- [97:54]
Ryan Rosillo
And unpair I think might be the.
- [97:56]
Ceruti
Move if you're bigger and don't mind getting punched in the face.
- [97:59]
Ryan Rosillo
You said you, you weren't no. He finally.
- [98:02]
Kyle
Jimmy likes middle age. He doesn't want to be throwing down with shitheads that aren't going to get him.
- [98:06]
Ryan Rosillo
He's 31. I don't even think that's middle age. He's 31 forever. I mean, it's clear this guy, based on what he's told us, is a tougher guy. And I think ultimately he's really offended. That 2, 5, 9, 170 guys. That's really what it is. That's what it is.
- [98:23]
Kyle
That's what happens. Their strength in numbers. Those guys get emboldened when there's. And it multiplies by however many there are.
- [98:28]
Ryan Rosillo
So it's unfortunate.
- [98:31]
Kyle
How old did you guys.
- [98:31]
Ryan Rosillo
That's really what it comes down to. What's that?
- [98:34]
Kyle
Did they say these guys were, like, 20s? They're definitely younger than him, right?
- [98:38]
Al Michaels
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. It's unfortunate he said two younger guys. Yeah. I think it's. Whenever I see, like, a corner getting into it with a left tackle, like, during a game, and you just have to think, like, the left tackle just wants to go, even if I'm not good at this, I'm probably going to kill you. Like, you might be the toughest dude ever, but, like, more often than not, like, it's going to be so frustrating when you're one of these massive. Like, especially if you're a tough, tough offensive lineman and you're getting into it and, like, obviously the corner can't back down. It's the NFL. Like, you can't back down from anybody else and all this stuff. But there's probably times where it's just like, this is so stupid. Like, why are you. Like, let's not kid ourselves here. And I think that's what this has. Like, sure, you could have just gone up and turned it down, but who knows? Like, what if you beat up two guys at the gym? Then you're dealing with all sorts of other stuff, which is where almost none of this ever actually goes. So, yeah, you can feel like a snitch a little bit and take the video and the whole deal. Deal. You probably could have just put the headphones back in and then let it go. But I don't know. Some days you just don't want to let it go, man. Some days you just don't want to let it go. Somebody the other day brought their dog in, you know, to a place where people were eating and. And the person was so out of central casting. Aloe everywhere, all made up. And it was like, you know, and it's like, oh, but you get to bring your dog in. And then there was a sign that says specifically, like, don't bring your dog. And it's like, well, I get to. And everybody just looks at that person. It's like, so maybe somebody's had bad enough a day. Want to say something? Most of the time, we're just trying to get through our day and finish our burrito. All right, that'll do it for the show today. Thank you to our entire crew here. Make sure you download and check us out on Netflix as well with a little like on there, if you could. The Ryan Rossillo Show. Barstool Sports. Sam.