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Rams Class of the NFC? Shedeur’s 1st Start, Race for the #1 Pick & the Miami–Notre Dame Debate w/ Kevin Clark
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The Ryan Rosillo show presented by DraftKings. Today's episode I can't quit the Chiefs. I told you why. The great comeback against the Colts. A great comeback against the Eagles. For the Cowboys, we've got awards including a little British flavor with Caleb Williams. Also Shadore Sanders making his real debut as a starter and a few other things around the NFL we're going to do that with Kevin Clark, some Rams love and how they built this team. The least popular quarterback on social media and a look ahead to some of the draft decisions by some of these teams as you're looking at the race for the number one overall pick. I've got my college football top 12 and life advice and a little bit more on my travels here. I don't know if we call this. I don't know how we describe it. There's a lot of different ways to explain Great Britain, the uk, London. So we'll just move on. Every week in the NBA, stars rise, legends are made and one player rules them all. 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I was looking at this as they were down to the Colts at home in a huge spot and this is why it's the best win, because you're just basically fighting for your lives in this. This game. Down big to the Colts early, but had they lost they would have been 5 and 6, Miami 4 and 7. And I was thinking like imagine if Kansas City lost again next week, which is certainly possible. Miami gets a win both at 5 and 7. Imagine after week 13, both of those franchises having the same exact record. So super bowl odds, which I think are really fun just because it speaks to like Kansas City and how many people are still going to be in love with them. They were the super bowl favorites while not being in the actual playoff standings, which I touched on not that long ago. They're actually third today behind Philly and the Rams. Rams are number one. Philly slightly behind them with their loss. We'll get to those results a little bit here. But third, they were all the way down to ninth once they were down 143 and then again down in the second half going into the fourth quarter. So they're plus 1000 now, which still is a big difference from them being the favorites again not even two weeks ago. Like +500 +5 50 King Kansas City's defense so Mahomes is the reason why you think you always have this kind of chance. But we need to touch on what Kansas City's defense did to this Colts offense to turn this game around. Mahomes throws the pick which sets up a massive three yard touchdown drive. Seven nothing Colts. The Colts next possession. They go eight plays, 75 yards. That was really their only sustained possession. There was their only touchdown possession. You know that was like a real drive as opposed to a turnover. That leads to a three, a three yard touchdown drive. So it's 14 three. The next three possessions for the Colts are two punts of field goal. They're up 20 to nine. If you look at what this Colts defense, or excuse me, what this Colts offense did against his Chiefs defense, this is their run in the fourth quarter in overtime. 3 and out 3 now 3 and out 3 and out. 4 possessions, 13 yards. On the day, Kansas City ran 91 plays to 50 plays for the Colts. And you know, to be able to come back in this game without some monumental turnover by the Colts offense, it just speaks to this defense that, you know, at times I got really excited about. I don't know statistically if you're going to sit there and you know, not going to compare it to the other top defenses, but this had to be like it just an entire team effort to even pull off something like this. So there's probably a few Colts questions in here. If you look at Daniel Jones, you know, if you take a close look, five of the first seven games he had a QBR of over 80. His last three games, 67 QBR against Tennessee, which you'd expect. 13 against Pittsburgh, the last four games here, 30 against Atlanta, 60 against Kansas City, 60 is actually really good here. But I mean it just speaks to how off the charts Jones was to start. So even if Jones is the long term answer at quarterback for the Colts and with this team feeling like, hey can we just get average so many of these teams that are loaded somewhere else. Like if you look at Cleveland and how awesome that defense can be and how much better it would actually be if a team could stay on the field offensively on third downs. You know, some of these defenses can be great and by the time week 10 or 11 rolls around you're like our offense sucks so bad that it's just, it's hard to keep playing at this level. So yeah, I think the Colts, there's probably a long term feeling with Jones, but it's not what it was it. He was 181 yards yesterday. It's his lowest total of the season. Rice back at receiver For Kansas City. He's been back now five games, eight for one, 41 yesterday. He did have two touchdowns in the first game against Vegas, 93 yards against Washington. But this felt like the first game where he was a massive just matchup problem. Although his slide was a little weird. I feel like I'm seeing a lot of wide receivers throughout the week where you're like, what, where are you going right now? Or why are, why are you doing that? And we didn't see it necessarily yesterday, but the obsession of like getting down sometimes where, you know, I can understand maybe the arguments like, hey, we're in field goal range. This is, this is like a wrap. But it's like you also probably gave up like 10 more yards there by running out of bounds or not trying to run out of bounds. So to put into perspective what Rice has done and also speaks to the wide receiver production problem this Chiefs offense has had all season long. Kelsey's number one in receiving yards of any player on the team, which is to be expected. The number two receiving yardage, which is the number one receivers, Hollywood Brown and Rice in just five games. Compared to Hollywood Brown's 11 games, he's only 45 yards behind him on the season for receiving totals. So the six remaining games here for the Chiefs, the only locks are probably at Tennessee, at Vegas. Vegas is a mess, which we'll get to probably favorite in every game. You know, at Dallas is not easy. Houston, with this defense, number number two scoring D in the NFL, you got Denver, the rematch on Christmas, they're probably going to be favorite of that one because they're going to be at home. And they were favored in this game against the Colts, which you'd expect minus three and a half. And then the live odds switched all the way to like plus two and a half. Plus three and a half. I think I saw it plus two and a half in the first half. I don't know if it got to plus three and a half a little bit later on. If you really want to be annoyed about people not quitting on the Chiefs, ESPN's FPI, which I know drives everybody crazy because of the way they would continue to rank Alabama, especially last year. But if you look at the NFL, FPI and ESPN.com the Chiefs are actually number one. All right, so that's, I think, the best win because they lose that one. You know, I don't know that I can open the show today going, hey, don't give up on them yet. Even if you figure they're still going to be favored. Which again can speak to also the popularity of the public, the betting public not wanting to give up on the Chiefs. But Dallas coming back from 21, nothing is right there. So I don't think this is a Hertz referendum game. I've talked about Hertz a ton of. There are other factors that led to this game falling apart that had way more to do with their inability to move the football late in the game. So they were 5 of 12 on third down usually. That's a pretty good number to look at with Hertz. Be like, okay, where, where is this team? Because on the season they're 27th on third down conversions for an offense, which is terrible. Last year they were 11th. But the other thing too that you usually can factor in with the Eagles is like, okay, if our third down conversion rate isn't great today, we're probably going to get two or three fourth down conversions. So it's like Greg Olson talks about during the broadcast. It's almost like they start off first in eight because of what they're able to do, but they didn't have any 4th down conversion. I don't even think they had any attempts in that game that they blew to Dallas. So after being up 21 nothing, five punts, the fumble, missed field goal, and then in that possession they also have the fumble by Xavier Gibson, which was just a collage of bad ideas. So in this spot, it's like all you at this point, I mean, the problem the Eagles to have, you could sit there and say, oh, they got conservative or they didn't do this. The problem is they actually can't get conservative. They can't run the football. They've had these offensive line issues. Barkley's held the 22 yards, I believe yesterday. Then he has a huge fumble on top of everything else. So oddly enough, this team that is not trailed in a game prior to losing this one, they had not trailed in a game since Week 6, the longest stretch in the entire history of the franchise. And despite some of my issues with who they are in the passing game, you're like, all right, well, they don't turn the football over and they can usually bank on their defense and this still might be the best team in the NFL. So like, even as I said, you know, it got played out that I absolutely hate him. And I was like, look, I'm just kind of sick of watching him because I've watched him so much the last three years. I acknowledge that there's still not a list of teams ahead of them that you would want. Maybe it's the Rams now, you know, we'll touch on that. I'm not going to sit here and sell you on the Chiefs after their full resume of the season. So this team that's supposed to be built on offensive line defense, great receivers, you know, all these things in place for a quarterback that you would want up 21, nothing. They're actually not built to be able to run away from you and just pound you because they can't run the football the way they've been able to do it in the past. Throwing 14 penalties, throwing the two fumbles, and again back to Xavier. Gibson fields the punt at the two. You're like, oh. And I always feel like when a returner, especially somebody that's maybe not the most confident guy out there, you know, doesn't have a huge resume, and you're sitting there going, I can't believe I just did this. All right, well, now I'm going to make it even worse by trying to, like, stay upright, because a lot of times they'll tell you on those returns, like, if you get hit, go down, because guys are sprinting at you the full length of the field, you're going to get popped. That's exactly what happens. He fumbles, and then he stayed down, too, which you just know is like, I'm so embarrassed that I just did all these things. Now maybe if I just kind of hang out a little bit, limp back to the sidelines, people won't be as pissed at me. That really never works. But you can just see it's like human nature kicking in. But the great thing is the Eagle stopped him. They didn't. They didn't score. Ferguson was short. I believe it was Ferguson at the catch the goal line. And so you're like, all right, massive crisis avoided. However, not the case. Dak, who's statistically just incredible this season, you know, they end up pulling this thing out on the field goal, and it's, you know, if it's not the best win, it's probably the worst loss of the entire week. I don't think you can put Tampa Bay getting their ass kicked in this one. 34, seven at the Rams. The Rams are just a wagon right now. Tampa Bay, whether it's the receivers, the O line issues. They've gone from five and one to six and five. And then not only do they lose the game, they lose Baker in this one, who's going to have an MRI on his left shoulder, which means he's probably going to play. The Rams have the number one scoring defense in the NFL. And Stafford has a 30 to two touchdown interception split on the season. In his last eight games, he's thrown 25 touchdowns in zero picks. I talk about quarterbacks and saying, like, I don't know, sometimes guys with no picks, that actually scares me a little because it means that you're never taking any chances. Then there's that kind of elite class of A touchdown interception split where I'm like, this person is just so dialed in right now to what the offense is doing that this is actually a reflection of how great they are. And that's Rogers and some of those seasons. Manning's had a season like that, probably a couple. Brady's had a couple seasons like that. Lamar's had a season where you're just like, he's seeing it so well that, you know, I'm not usually. I like to see like six or seven. Seven or eight interceptions. Not with seven touchdowns, but like 28 touchdowns, 30 touchdowns. Cause it makes me think you're at least taking some chances. And, you know, you're not giving up on. On some plays. Like if you wanted to get on Hertz Case, and I'm not doing that with that loss yesterday, but the third and two, I think under two minutes, taking the sack there, like, that might be one of those spots where you're thinking, all right, I know you don't want to throw a pick because that looks worse than the sack and everything, but never taking a chance, never getting rid of the football at any point. And I could, but I'm not going to do this. I could point to, like, all this A.J. brown bullshit. It's like they get him rolling. I think 67 yards, five catches in the first quarter, they go up 21 nothing. So you're like, oh, look at you guys. You wanted to get AJ Brown involved and you got to rip. Yeah, but it's like, dude, they were up 21 nothing. So I don't know. I mean, unless there was something game planning all week long to prioritize something that distracted him. But look, 14 penalties to two fumbles. That's really what happened here. But, yeah, Rams. Now, if you're looking at the battle of the one seeds between the Rams and the Eagles, Rams move up to the one seed, which I think is. Is huge. I think it's huge considering how the first game went, and it was at Philly, the playoff game last year at Philly. So still a lot of work to do. Strength of schedule, neither one are that imposing. Rams 21st and remaining strength of schedule Eagles. 24th Eagles also have the Bears on there. So the Bears are messing with a lot of team, strength of schedules. Bears have a great record. I don't think that are a great football team. Perfect transition into awards. So yes, I'm in Mayfair. I'm leaving today. Good trip. We're going to have a travel pod. Four or five parts. I think it's four parts FDR award. It's British approval for Americans. They love themselves from Caleb Williams. I watched the whole game here Sky Sports, they did the post game and how about the American players just lining up to do post game with Sky Sports, Grow the game. I couldn't believe it. I was like, man, they're doing these like long form interviews on the field with Sky Sports reporters. After they got done interviewing a bunch of guys, they were talking up Caleb and one of the analysts said, Caleb will be a top five quarterback in the NFL. We all know my position on Caleb. Wow. I was like, okay, cool. Now I feel better. I don't, I don't know. I don't know if that's going to happen. But yeah, they love themselves some FDR and Caleb Williams staying with the awards. The Eric Zier Award. Mike Bobo for all you Georgia fans. Shador Sanders in his first start. The first Browns rookie quarterback in 30 years to win his first career start since again, Eric Zier debuts for Browns quarterback. Historically since that point O of 17 until Shedor got the Raiders rookies were O of 13. Well, I just say not O of oh, 413. So 0 and 13 record there. Sanders. This is gonna, this is gonna get weird. He had a QBR of 9 yesterday. Not 9 out of 10, 9 out of 100. If you want to tell me that him and his escapability, which again, he's not a running quarterback at all, but he. The best thing about him at Colorado is the offensive line sucks so bad that I think he, you could say he escaped from the pocket too early. But he also knows how to escape from the pocket, reset himself, get into a throwing lane and that was the big play that he hit early on. Just flushed out of the pocket, rolls out to his right. I think there'll be issues at times where again, this happens to any young quarterback. So it's not even a Shador thing of like, where are you going, buddy? Where are you going back there? Like sometimes you have to step up in the pocket a little bit because the protection wasn't very good at Colorado. I think there's probably something to be said about him like, it wasn't like it was perfect. It's not like some of these Bama guys back in the day, we were just back there and you have all day. So if you want to sell me on the energy and the excitement and the locker room responding him, you're probably right. But what it's going to turn into is a lot of people seeming like they don't like Shador specifically. And what they're not going to like is the people that make excuses for Shador or the storyline that Shador was some massive victim in this NFL conspiracy, which, you know, we saw during the draft, we saw during training camp, and we've seen almost every single week this season. So, yeah, they won. And it's a nice little number there on the debut. He said, quote, imagine what a full off season looks like, dot dot dot. It gets dangerous. I could get on his case for that. I'm not going to. But, yeah, I don't know. They won the game. They won the game because they sacked Geno Smith 10 times. Garrett now has 18 sacks, 13 sacks in his last four games. The record's 22 and a half. So he's got six games to go to catch that record. I hope he gets it. This D line is just incredible when you look at any of the numbers, when you look at the pass rush win rate, the Russian, the rush stop win rate both number one in the NFL littered with players from the Browns that are just terrific up front. So, yeah, that's. That's why they won. But I'm going to, I'm going to chill out. Like, I'm not going to get too pissed about any of this stuff. By the way, if you want to go one play that I really liked. Micah Parsons now 60. Little number for you here. Want to hit the Sounder?
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Do you know how easy this is for me?
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Do you have any fucking idea how easy this. This is a joke. Micah 60 QB pressures since he's joined the packers and he had a sack and then it looked like he almost killed Ryan Kelly, the center for the Vikings. We're not going to talk about J.J. mcCarthy a ton today. Oh, you know what? Let's stay with this. Let's stay with this because Lee Boden, who used to play for the Browns, said that it's time for the Browns after this win to fire Stefan Stefanski. Don't know why I went English. Maybe I just been here a week. Fire Stefanski, bring in Dion. It could be like Brady in Belichick. Theo Pinson, ex NBA player, was quoted as saying, calm down. For those who haven't heard yet, Skims now offers men's underwear, and I'm here to tell you it's worth the hype. Skims stretch boxer briefs finally give you all the movement you need for working out without feeling like you're walking around wearing gym clothes the rest of the day. Plus, they never lose their shape or ride up. Look, I'm an OG on this stuff. In the 90s, the first dudes ruds compression shorts. I wanted to go out in those things. I was jealous lacrosse players because they were actually socially allowed to wear those all the time. I don't know what that did for breathability, but those things were like late 1700s body armor. They could stop an arrow. Now, the problem was, as I've alluded to, it may stop an arrow on the battlefield, but it also may prevent your arrow from moving around a little bit. I don't know if that's exactly what skims wants, but the point is, is that skims, you can work out in them. And you should change, obviously, after you work out, right into another pair of skims and move around in them. You can wear them under shorts. They look stylish. They're not as restrictive, yet at the same time comforting. No matter what you're doing that day, shop skims mens@skims.com Let them know we sent you. After you place your order, select Podcast in the survey and select our show in the dropdown menu that follows. And if you're looking for the perfect gifts this season, the Skims Holiday shop is now open@skims.com foreign let's talk some football. I think there's a couple results that we really want to dig into. Obviously some headlines from espn, a guy we love having on the show, Kevin Clark. This is football. You can check out his pod and his multiple TV appearances his podcast ran through the storylines of the past weekend was up on the front page of the NFL page for ESPN.com so it's good to see it. Let's start with this. Kansas City. I feel like last week was the time to go, hey, we need to turn the page on this team. This is not the year. It certainly felt like that is a good chunk. You know, I, I even said like, the right thing to do in our industry is to fire up the engines Monday morning, being on the TV shows and go, this team is not good. They're not making the playoffs. They're done. They're done. They're done. Plenty of ammunition. And then you see what their defense does, the throws by Mahomes, Rice's big impact coming back. So I'd ask you at any point, had you quit the Chiefs?
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No, only because the AFC didn't give me a reason to do that. I didn't think the Colts were going to run away and hide in the conference. I'm looking at the afc. The Ravens weren't doing anything. They still got a ways to go to make the playoffs. The, the, the Bills are just kind of playing with their food at this point and the Bengals are waiting for Joe Burrow to get healthy. So I'm looking at this thing, somebody has to to win this. And Kyle Long was on my show who you know, last week and he was comparing it to the scene in Game of Thrones where Pedro Pascal is celebrating over the mountain. The mountain rips his face off. Right? The Chiefs are the mountain where you're just, you know, at some point they're going to wake up. And I know it sounds cliche, but like there's a reason that you really can't. I think, and we've talked about this before, I think that people have been burned by the cheap by declaring the Chiefs out so much that they won't do it. They're hesitant to do it. Very similar to Brady and Belichick where every time they were, oh, it was two and two in September, somebody went out on a limb and said this is, it's over. They're going to fall off a cliff. The dynasty is over. And then they look like idiots. Right. I think we live in a post old take exposed world, so I think we give teams like the Chiefs a little more grace. I give them grace because I knew that they're only, they only needed to clean up a few things. They needed to run the ball better. They're still not good even yesterday against man coverage and that's a weapon stat to me. Like Rasheed Rice, Next gen stats put it out. He was carving up zone coverage yesterday and Mahomes has been carving up zone coverage all year. They're not getting open against man. Mahomes said it middle of last week. I think that they're, the defenses are giving the Chiefs kind of downfield man to man shots and they're just not hitting those throws. I'm not sure if they're going to hit those throws this year, but they didn't. They, they, they can just kind of live in carving up zone defense. Even though the Colts called a lot of man yesterday, the defense got better. They tightened up. Like I just, it Wasn't like there was some fatal flaw where I was saying, oh, this team is broken. I thought we were going to see a game like this, and I wasn't surprised it was yesterday.
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Yeah. I love the weapons comment that you just made. Right. Because it also makes those of us that still love Mahomes, and I just can't. I can argue quarterback statistically over him, but there's certainly no one I want behind center more than that guy. Like, I actually think that's when it kind of becomes ridiculous in the conversation around it. I don't know, maybe you disagree with me. You can go in that and answer that as well, as an aside. But I love the weapons part of it because when you're watching this group, and even Rice's return, like, really up until yesterday was like, where's this element? You know, because Worthy's still a limited receiver, you know, even with the injuries, I think he's.
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He doesn't look healthy, by the way.
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No. But I think even a healthy version of him, it was. It was kind of like that. He comes onto the scene, he's running all over the place. It's like, yeah, but this guy's probably not. Like, this technician is going to be beating all these people and, like, pulling down 12 catches. Just an absolute nightmare problem. I mean, Pickens has turned into one of the biggest weapons. But I also understand the NFL being like, I'm not sure I want to invest in Pickens, and it's worked out for the Cowboys because, like, he's just that special a talent, and there's no one on the Chiefs that's like that.
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But Right.
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You know, this is.
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They've had, like, reset years defensively. They had reset years on the offensive line. They've had the post Tyreek Kill of trying to change their approach and underneath, and it's like, oh, everybody, it's so smart. It feels like whatever happens this year, like, next year needs to be a reset year of. Of making sure that this does not happen again and wasting a prime Mahomes year feeling like he just doesn't have targets that can get open.
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Yeah. I would say that it's really hard to find, like, George Pickens is. Is a bit. I mean, first of all, I mean, George Pickens is. Is. Is amazing. And I understand. And when he. Even when he was traded, he was the second best vertical receiver in the entire league since he came into the NFL a few years ago. Okay. Like, the. The playing part of it was never a question, but if you're the Chiefs and you just went to the afc. We won the Super Bowl. You won the afc. You own the afc. Do you want to throw George Pickens in there? I can see why you'd be a little hesitant, as you said. But the weapons thing, I think they were able to do enough when it was just Travis Kelsey on option routes for like three years. Like that was it. That was it for them for three years. Hey, Jerry, Travis Kelsey is going to sit down and zone and they're going to get the 11 yards they need on a huge third down, right? That was it for a few years. And now Travis Kelsey is not that guy necessarily. They don't have anybody downfield to replace it. Last year I was so. I mean, Mahomes was like 35th in deep passing last year behind like Cooper Rush and all of these guys who should not be ahead of him. And it was, it was a number of things, the offensive line, but more than anything, it was just downfield chemistry. And they haven't been able. Like Mahomes was at his best. Ryan, when you could take the screen grabs, you'd always see it where it was like Mahomes had five guys around him and nobody was open. And people put the screen grab up there and then they would just say, oh, by the way, he found Tyree kill for a 47 yard pass on this play. Like it was a. It was always. The miracle was always out there because Tyreek Hill was going to get open or Travis Kelsey was going to be open further down the field and more open than he is right now. And so that hasn't been replaced in the offense. And Xavier Worthy last year, you mentioned it, but he was like stepping out of bounds before he caught the deep passes last year, like he would just didn't seem like. He has amazing ball tracking skills down the field. So that needs to be developed. Hollywood Brown was. Was injured last year and that, that, that hurt that I haven't seen that chemistry at all in that regard. So I think at some point, in order for them to get back to their best, they're going to need somebody who can reliably get open downfield. And then Mahomes hits those. He was sailing a lot still, even. Even when they were coming back, he was sailing passes. Yesterday he was stepping up in the pocket and he was just missing guys. So I think it's just a lot. There's a lot of little things they have to clean up, if that makes sense. And I think that if they do that, they can win the afc.
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Okay. I think I think we're on the same page with a lot of that. And they're probably still going to be favored. I mean, look, there's tricky games there. But because, and I mentioned this in the open too, they're also favored because people are still going to bet on Kansas City. The public can't quit Kansas City and Vegas doesn't quit Kansas City. When you look at the odds, which again, I've covered way too many times, what do you think the gap is between the Rams and the Eagles.
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Right now? It's pretty significant because the Rams, the Rams are amazing. The Rams are an amazing team. And I think that when Stafford recommitted to them in the off season, I think it was the biggest football day of the year because it established a real deal contender. And I think the soft reset they did when they had to take their medicine with the cap stuff, I think it's one of the best rebuild jobs on the fly that we've seen, frankly. And I think that the Rams right now, and I know they played a couple weeks ago, and there was a special teams mistake by the Rams that led to an Eagles win. I think the Eagles. The problem is it's not one thing. It was 14 penalties yesterday. It was the worst Russian success rate they've had underneck Sirianni, by the way, the 14 penalties, most since Nick Sirianni's first game as head coach of the Eagles. It was the fact that they got A.J. brown involved. It didn't seem to matter. And then, you know, people were saying, oh, that Nick Sirianni took his foot off the gas. He denied that in the post game press conference. I think it's. They just, they were just sloppy. They were just sloppy. They had a special teams fumble there that Elijah Clark forced after getting thrown to the ground by Sidney Brown. So I think there's a lot to clean up there and it's not, I think a lot of times fan bases hope to. There's going to be like the Dan Orlovsky segment on Wednesday where it's like they just need to use motion. Oh, okay. Everything's solved. That's not really what it is right now. They were hoping the defense would bail them out yesterday. It didn't happen. And the Rams genuine pass rush depth. When you consider Jared Verse and Braden Fisk and what they were able to do there, you know, I had less need on my show in the spring and he said that it took five top 100 picks to try to replace Aaron Donald in aggregate. And they kind of got and what was amazing to me was I don't.
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Even know how you like. I mean, I guess I could understand the Scott Hatterberg Moneyball version of replacing Giambi, but I mean that just maybe.
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Yeah, I don't know.
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He's the one who. Sure.
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But you can't do it with one person is what he said. You literally cannot do it. You're gonna have to do. You're gonna five guys to even come close to that. And so that, to me, I think that's kind of admirable to just be like, listen, we're not gonna get Aaron Donald, so let's get five guys who might be able to replace him. Like, that's the only thing you can do in that spot. But Matthew Stafford is absolutely amazing the way they've built the skill guys. I mean, Devonte Adams, There was a play yesterday where they, where they covered Devonte Adams one on one in the end zone. And that's a touchdown every single time. I've actually maybe never seen a goal line receiver like that where if he gets single coverage, it is literally over. And so the gen they have, they have four guys with over 27 quarterback pressures. Braden Fisk, Kobe Turner, Byron Young and Jared Verse. And it feels like they're going to run away with the nfc. I mean, the problem for me, so I got, I picked them. I was on first take a million times in the summer and I said, it's going to be Rams, Ravens in the Super Bowl. Then Stafford gets his back injury. And I don't mess around with back injuries like I am in my late 30s. I know a lot of guys in their late 30s when the back starts to go, you're not like, oh, that went away, we're good. And then the Airstream, like cryogenic chambers that out at practice. And Sean McVeigh is talking about how lucky they are to have Jimmy Garoppolo. I got off the Rams right before the season because I'm like, I'm not. The quarterback is a bad back. And so I switched from Rams Ravens to Ravens Packers. The worst part of that whole saga was all the quack Twitter doctors were like, this cryogenic chamber is amazing. And I was like, no, that's an awful sign. It's an awful sign when the quack doctors love the cryogenic chamber. So I got off the Rams and now I regret it. Matthew Stafford is amazing. He's tough. I just think that they've done an amazing team building job. And so much of it is with that young defense. So much of it the way they hit on those picks and I think the FM Picks narrative, Ryan got people off the fact that when they were making the picks, they were usually nails. And it was Sean McVay and he knew how to get those guys in. Like, Andrew Orith has a story that Sean McVeigh is so good. When Sean McVeigh came into being the Rams coach, he literally just did a minicamp where they didn't even practice. They just talked about culture, right? So I just think you get athletes into the Rams program, things end up working. McVay knows the exact right mix between how to teach them football and how to teach them culture. He gets them going as young players. That's the important part. Get them going as young players really quickly, and we see the results here.
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I can't believe what they've done with this defense in this amount of time. Because you're right. I mean, you just ran through. But I mean, this front Fisk for Turner Young, and every single week it feels like a young verse party at the quarterback. And Turner went off yesterday. Landman, who just got the extension, I mean, right? And then, you know, Quinton Lake was out yesterday. And the corners, Durant, like, it's just a group every single week. Where, you know, I remember, like, different defensive philosophies when the Rams were rolling. And I'm talking like 25 years ago. And of course, it was the offense and the greatest show on turf, but it was also like, maybe they could be a little riskier defensively because it was just like 11 guys at the ball, right? It just felt like 11 guys at the ball. And then when it's working, you're thinking, why would anybody do anything any different than this? But it's just, look, I'm never going to put anything with that Ravens defense of around the same time period, but they get after it. And it seems like throughout a broadcast, because most of us aren't going to be familiar with the two deep for. For any team unless it's our favorite team. And whenever you're watching a Rams game, you're like, wait a minute, who's that guy again? Like, where did he play? And like, okay, so now this guy's going to make plays the entire time. So, yeah, the Rams being the one seed, if they get that game where they don't to travel to Philadelphia, still a lot of work to do. Neither team has that tough of a schedule moving forward. But I'm with you. And the way Stafford is locked in, it's a joke.
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I also want to say I've had coaches say this before, but, like, working in guys that you weren't expecting to contribute, who are now contributors, is a sign of culture. And Emmanuel Forbes, who was cast aside by the Commanders making plays, it just kind of says it all. Like, I didn't think Emmanuel Forbes was going to be in the league after he was cast aside by the Commanders, and all of a sudden he's making plays on Saturday Night Football. Like, that, to me, is a sign of a program where everything's rolling in the right direction. It's collegiate, it's a college program. As far as talent development, talent gap, I put the Eagles in the same boat. They have a huge talent advantage 95% of the time they step on the field.
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And there's also something to be said about Shula, the defensive coordinator, who they kind of, you know, brought through. And it's almost like the early Belichick thing of, I'm. I have my coordinators, but I'm also grooming the next one as well. And what they're doing to opposing quarterbacks, you start looking through some of the stuff going, all right. Like, look at how bad some of these really good quarterbacks are as soon as they have to face this defense. It's just incredibly impressive to be able to do this and not have it be all on Stafford, which at certain times, it's felt like it's. Well, they have a chance because it's Stafford, and now he's rolling, too. All right, let's. Let's have a little fun right now. Who do you think is the least popular NFL quarterback on social media?
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Wow.
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Right now.
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Right now, I mean, I think Everybody's off the J.J. mcCarthy bandwagon.
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That's the right answer.
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Yeah, I think it is. And part of it, I think I feel burned by it because I didn't love JJ McCarthy coming out of college. I don't think Michigan put enough on his plate for me to say the Harbaugh is not an idiot. Like, if J.J. mcCarthy could spin the ball down the field 55 yards, if he could have played the burrow role, he would have let him. But obviously he wanted to run the ball. He didn't put a lot on his plate, money down stuff. He was very, very good on money downs, but it wasn't like they gave him opportunities to play hero ball. So what he did do was in his limited time. By the way, the disadvantage that McCarthy had is that he was in the last Covid year class, and there were guys who had a thousand more college passes than Him, Michael Pennix, Bo Nix, Jayden Daniels had a thousand more attempts in college than J.J. mcCarthy. J.J. mcCarthy was a traditional quarterback who went three years with the same school, didn't transfer, didn't play in another offense and then went to the pros. But he did use the middle of the field well and he didn't make a lot of mistakes. So I thought Kevin o' Connell was going to be able to scheme up enough of a floor to where they were going to have success. Brian Flores does a lot in this scenario. Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison, even Jalen Naylor, who had actually pretty good catch to win a game a couple of weeks ago. I thought there'd be enough there. I was wrong. I feel burned. He's. The problem that the Vikings face is Kevin o' Connell's preached patience and the quarterback journey and how teams fail. Quarterbacks. Quarterbacks don't fail a lot, to the point that I'm not sure if he's going to want to pull the plug. I think he's, he's, he's going to want to be invested in making JJ McCarthy into something. And I don't know what you do right now because you do run the risk. And I don't know, I've been around Minnesota and I know they have an awesome locker room and culture and all that stuff, but you do run the risk. If there's guys who are on defense, were playing their ass off and they're losing because Jason McCarthy's going for 86 yards, taking five sacks and throwing, throwing interceptions, you do run the risk of guys just tuning you out. So it's a problem in Minnesota right now.
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Yeah. That pick on the Nailer route where Olson, you can tell he's being really nice, but he's like, nailers the clear out. And then that's supposed to be to Jefferson. Look at Jefferson's totals. Like, look at what he's become now. And that's, you know, the early Jefferson Chase arguments were, well, it has to be Jefferson because look at his quarterback where Chase has burrow and even Jefferson can't salvage this. I did watch one quarterback like tape review thing and I, I'm not even like this person understands way more about the position than I do. But there can be this momentum shift where everybody after the game last week was like, this guy's not good. Yeah. And then the headlines like, oh, review the tape. It's not as bad as you thought. It's like, what are you like, what do you mean by like, he didn't throw it Backwards all the time. And so even Olson on that throw that's over Naylor's head, he's like, that's not even the right throw. Forget sailing Nailer and these balls that just be air mails over these receivers all the time. You know, Jefferson being incredibly frustrated last week in that game and kind of walking off to the sideline. And I think your point is right. Like you felt like you could watch it on the defensive players faces where they're hanging in there. The packers got the run game going. They're committed to that. But it wasn't like the packers were just lighting it up all over the field. And maybe they're sitting there much like Harbaugh at Michigan with McCarthy going, We don't need to do any of these other things. Maybe the Packers, LaFleur and Love are like, we don't really need to do anything either because Micah's wreaking havoc and they just can't get it going. But even having said all of that, as bad as he's looked, you, you have to give him into next year. It'd be unfair to McCarthy as much as that may suck for everybody else that's involved in this decision. I think it'd be ridiculous. As bad as he's looked to pull the plug on this now, that's just unfair to any kid this young.
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I agree. And he got hurt in preseason last year, he gets hurt this year. I just don't think if you're Kevin O. I think Kevin o' Connell, and I've only really sat down with him twice, but one of them was a really long form thing about how much he thinks organizations fail quarterbacks and that guys give up on quarterbacks too early. It's a treasure. That's part of the reason they were so invested in making Sam Darnold a thing. I think Kevin o' Connell is going to feel invested into making this work a little bit. Also. You took him in the top half of the first round. You have to. The only team that's ever papered over that mistake is, is the Niners, who are able to get Brock Purdy in the seventh round. And they had Kyle Shanahan, who is basically takes any player and makes them a top 10 yards per attempt guy in the entire league. Okay, so that, that's, that is a unique situation. What are you going to do? Are you going to trade for Mac Jones and pay him a ton of money and have him compete with J.J. mcCarthy? I did. You're kind of hamstrung a little bit like, are you going to go out and sign? And there aren't that many candidates to be the next Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold was a bit of a unicorn and so. And also the next Sam Darnold is not going to want to sign with Minnesota. Daniel Jones didn't even want to come back. Okay. Because he was going to be offered what amounted to a starting job in Indianapolis, even though they pretended it was a competition with Anthony Richardson. So I don't even know who you get in that scenario because you're going against a guy who's drafting the top half of the first round. I know Vikings fans don't want to hear this, but from my perspective, you're right. He's going to. He should start the beginning of next year.
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I don't know, though. Do Viking fans like. I always feel like fan bases just think everybody's piling on their guy and being unfair and their analysis. I hope this works because it's going to make me sad if it doesn't. And I'm like, I don't know if that's the best thing to bank on your feelings.
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I think Vikings fans are pretty negative at this point. I think they've seen enough.
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Did you see the joke? And it's. It's. It's so good. I wish I could remember who had it, but it was like, the Vikings should cut him and then have OConnell resign. McCarthy.
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Yeah, I did see that joke. Yeah, I did see that joke. First round bust just to resurrect the career of first round bust. JJ McCarthy's. Just sign him off the street. That. That was an amazing joke. I agree. I wish I knew who had it, but congratulations. Whoever did.
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Yeah. Good joke. If the Colts called, offered up Anthony Richardson, who says no to everybody? This is another J.J. mcCarthy.
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McCarthy. Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. No, it's. I think Anthony Richardson has the chance to develop, but I wouldn't want. I wouldn't want an Anthony Richardson, Jay McCarthy quarterback competition. Anthony Richardson seems destined for a Steelers quarterback competition. Destin been saying that since the summer.
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Yeah, they've been kind of on a heater with this.
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They have, they have. I think Anderson still has a chance to. To have a place in the league, but not in Indianapolis.
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Yeah, that's. That's actually shocking to me because I would hang up and be like, don't be ridiculous. Our guy has. Our guy has grit. And that can't be taught. Run through then what some of the potential options are because these guys all started, games started or got in I shouldn't say because Teddy Bridgewater came in a relief. So rapid fire here rank the QB legends. Jameis Winston, Jacoby Brissette, Tyrod Taylor, Kirk Cousins, Mason Rudolph, Davis Mills, Teddy Bridgewater.
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All right, I want to talk about Mason Rudolph. Did you see the clip of Aaron Rodgers before the illegal formation penalty? Did you see this?
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I was watching on Sky Sports, so I may have missed it.
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So there was this clip. I saw it on Steelers Depot where as one does where the Aaron Rodgers, they just pan to him as sort of like a, hey, he's on the sideline kind of thing. He's got his hands on his head and he's mouthing illegal formation. Legal formation. Legal formation. They hadn't even lined up yet. Like they were just like kind of.
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Was this the play on the right side that was laid because the tackle wasn't covered up?
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Yeah. And so. And so he's going to formation. Mason Ruff doesn't see it. And then it was illegal formation. But it's like that to me is the hidden benefit. Everyone is always like, wherein Rodgers legs don't work anymore. Whatever. It's like he knows where the ball should go and he knows where guys should line up. It reminds me a little bit of like the value of Peyton Manning in the last year in Denver. It's like he knows the offense, he knows where the ball should go and he can get it there. And he doesn't have the same zip he did, you know, five years ago. But he, he can operate things in a way maybe Brock Osweiler can't, maybe Rudolph can't. But it was funny to see the value of that, which I think is probably, probably worth about three and a half points, just knowing how things should go. It's the reason Joe Flacco is like in year 20. But I'm going to go. Jameis Winston, number one. James Winston had a broken tackle receiving touchdown yesterday. Ryan.
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That was the full Jameis. That was like the last year at Tampa. Jameis experience.
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That was unbelievable. And then Mike Kafka going forward on fourth down. I got to tell you, I do winners and losers on Sunday night Math. To me, the amount of dumb 4th and ones yesterday was unbelievable. And not just that, it was the fourth and ones and it's, hey, we're actually going to take a shot down the field. Why? Jacksonville was up 24, 21, fourth to one to seal the game. They took a shot to Tim Patrick down the right sideline. Like a fade. What can we call? I'm going to just distribute A packet called high percentage plays to all 32 teams. That's all they're going to be able to call on fourth to one from now on. I just. Never mind. All right, so Teddy Bridgewater is in there. The only reason he's there is because the Florida State High School association charged him with giving him proper gifts to Miami Northwestern High School. But he's just back playing NFL games.
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Story that hits close to home for you.
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Yeah, I've been to Miami Northwestern High School. They played against my high school in 2007 in the state championship game. Levante David was the middle linebacker for that team. Their team, not. Not my high school. But I'm trying to think who else. Tyrod Taylor should probably start the rest of the year just because he gave him something. Justin Fields cannot do that. Davis Mills. I'll tell you, Davis Mills has. Has shown me something. He's got a place in this league. I don't think he rises to the next Sam Darnold level. But I do think that you're going to want Davis Mills. If you're a contender, and the Texans nominally should be, you should want Davis Mills on your team. I think all of those guys are pretty bad, though. Like, I don't think any of those guys are. Minnesota should be like, this guy should compete with JJ McCarthy.
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Kirk's last, but they did get the win.
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Yeah.
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Speaking of the Rams owning that Atlanta pick, which is now 10th.
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So I assume Atlanta has operated since the morning of the draft as if Michael Penix was the greatest quarterback of all time. That was the entire premise of the organization. We have to draft him. Even though we gave Kirk Cousins $90 million, we have to draft him, and then we've got to start him as soon as Kirk Cousins. I mean, Kirk Cousins was clearly not healthy last year. They gave him no Runway. They bench him. And then, by the way, I mean, people have made this point, but part of the problem with the pick was that it wasn't Jordan Love and Aaron Rodgers, because Aaron Rodgers had a ton of capital in Green Bay. And I remember players talking about this at that point in the draft. Kirk Cousins had never been really in the locker room to meet his teammates. He had no capital whatsoever. You're immediately undercutting him by Michael Pennington. And then you trade your unprotected. There are no protections in football, but you trade a first round.
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Has anyone tried, by the way? Or is that. I would assume.
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I would assume somebody has tried. I would assume. I mean, you would just call it conditional. Right. But you can't put the condition on your own. You do. You do conditions like if.
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If we make the play, makes the playoffs, Right? Yeah, that's always the big one. Starts will be in there.
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I would assume. I don't. I would assume. You couldn't put a conditional based on your own.
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Cleveland would have already tried it.
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Yeah, Cleveland would have tried that. When they did the salary dump. When they did the Brock Osweiler salary dump. Yes, that's. That's. They. They definitely made a call at one point.
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Although the kid in Jacksonville is like, we have a top four. 12 to 16, 28 to 31 protect. Yeah, because I think. I think Darrell at one point tried to do like a reverse protection in the NBA where it was like, if it fell within this window, we want you to get the pick. But I don't know. I don't know if the other team agreed. I don't know.
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Can I hit you with a theory? I just come up with. Is it possible that NBA GMs are like that because they really only make like three moves a year and they've got all this time to cook up stuff like reverse protections and NFL gms. They're trying out long snappers, like on a Monday. That's their. That's their. Monday is they're trying out long snappers. And I just feel like they're too busy to come up with reverse protections. Am I wrong?
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I love it. Look, I can't. You're. You're right. Because the number of transactions throughout the course of a season for a football team, it's just. I mean, they'll be like, hey, we get a two way, you know, guys coming up from Maine. All right. You know, it's just not. There's not that much. There's just not that many. Like, you might be watching a ton of stuff, I'm sure. Yeah, some of the guys are watching a ton. Although every now and then, I'd be a little shocked. Like, I remember talking to a gm. This is a long time ago, but he had traded for a player, and I was like, oh, my God, this guy hasn't watched him. Like, I would think if. If I'm potentially trading for a player, I would go, all right, fire up the tape decks, boys. Like, I'm gonna watch the next. The last 20 games of this guy. Just kind of see what I. And it was. It was like a clear reputation only type of transaction. I think you're right on. I. I think there's so many things for NFL guys that they actually have to do that The NBA GM job probably gets super boring because all they do is talk on the phone and try to figure out the value the market for their team. That's why when like the most pointless breaking news thing ever is that teams are monitoring this situation or this team is taking calls, these guys call. It's all they do is call each other and try to get like a consensus of what the value is of. Of the player. And then. And then like when the team. And look, I'm not saying like every trade is a perfect reflection of what the market is because clearly we had the Nico deal. We had the Pelicans who were like, fuck protections. Like, we want this. We want to make sure this 26 pick is gone so we can plan 26 on. Although Derek Queen, you look, you'd expect a guy to be rough. I was a one and done to start the season, but he's had an incredible last week. It still doesn't excuse not having any protections on a 26 pick. But when a trade is made and then you know a bunch of people will be and go, I can't believe that's the best they did for him. You're like, do you realize the thousands of hours they probably spent on the phone knowing exactly that this is the best that they can get for this guy?
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It's funny cause the Luca trade was an NFL trade. It was just like, we. This guy doesn't fit our culture anymore and we're only going to call one team and then just get rid of the guy. That's it. We're just going to talk to one team. We're not going to do it. Like, I'm shocked you mentioned Cleveland, but like, I'm shocked no team, very rarely does anybody. I would operate this as a gm, but I would also be a bad GM because I lack attention to detail. But I'm surprised as like, Omar Khan doesn't just text 31 teams, be like, George Pickens is being traded at noon. Get. Get an offer in. Like, it just doesn't work like that. Like, I just feel like, you know, there's a bunch of instances where the outgoing calls thing, like that's one thing I've talked about with like, Thomas Dimitrov, former Falcons gm. Like, you'd be surprised how many front offices, their phone just doesn't work. But they don't make calls or they don't. They only offer it to three teams or that. Or they overthink it and they say, hey, we're not going to this. We might play this team in the playoffs four years from now. So we're not going to call them. And it's like, just get the pick, guys. Just get the pick. I'm always surprised how conservative NFL teams are about not only trading, but also giving up a second round pick. Because you're looking at on draft, a teams will trade draft capital for the 67th pick and then some awesome second receivers available. And like, well, we couldn't give up the 67th pick. Why would we do that? No. And so I think that might be a little bit of an efficiency, just trading picks for veterans, which we saw with the Rams a couple years ago once.
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Enough of the teams, like in the NBA got smart about how valuable the picks in the first round, especially just a historic drop off in production. And don't argue the exceptions here. I'm not saying that you do, but everybody like, what about Draymond Green? But it's like, it's a significant drop off, like pick 10 and then on. And then it's like if you ever get a guy that gets to a second contract is actually a rotational guy in the 20s. So then the smart teams were like, yeah, these picks, it sounds cool. Like, hey, we got a first for Evan Fournier. And you're like, wow, you know, like this, this is, this is cool. Even that, arguably at the time, you're like, okay, that doesn't maybe make a ton of sense. And then the contract didn't work out for him. But my point is, is that the smarter team started realizing, like, we could get really burned if we're not healthy. See the Clippers right now. But you know, chances are if we're giving up three picks, it's like the Bain trade. Like Orlando looks at it going, we're likely going to be really good for a long time. And if we're giving up picks in the 20s, like we're giving up a one in five chance at a rotational guy. So what does it really matter? Like, why are, why are? Like, the headline of the first rounders is way overstating the actual value of the whole thing. And then when I look at the NFL part of it, like I always joked, and again, I'd be terrible at it too, because I just don't know the game well enough. But when I look at some of the trades, like, that guy's awesome. Like, he just made a Pro bowl and he's, he's going for a third rounder because now he's on the wrong side of 28. It would be funny if a team is like, yeah, we're overhauling our defense and we're trading second and third round picks for all. Like, hey, how'd you guys find all these linebackers and guys at all three levels? You're like, well, we just traded second and third rounders because apparently they're all discounted.
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So yeah, the, the main thing's interesting to me and I want, I don't want to do Magic corner, but we can. But the main thing's interesting me because Sam Van Gunny wanted to rant about this, but the Richard Lewis signing, what, 15 years ago now, where he said that we all look. He went on Lebatar. I think he was still a coach at this point, but he was like, we all look at these deals, we want to cosplay gm and we want to say this was bad value. But the problem is when you're looking at it is Rashad Lewis back then with Dwight Howard and Hedo Turkloo, he solved their problems. And Desmond Bain solves the Magic problem. And you cannot put a price as a franchise on solving a problem that unlocks an extra round of playoffs, an extra two rounds of playoffs. Like, Desmond Bain is the best catch and shoot three point shooter in basketball. And the Magic hadn't had a top five or top 15 offense since Dwight Howard left and they hadn't had a top. Like they hadn't been a top shooting team since 2010 or whatever. Like, there were so many things where the floor, the floor was just impossibly low and you raised that and you solved the problem. Yeah, but it was just crazy. They overpay. They overpaid. We solved the problem. You cannot put a price on it.
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Well, you. For first rounders. So, you know, whenever you're going it. Well, Luca went for this and Bain went for that. It's like, okay, if you want to do the thing that is incredibly unfair because it's, it's technically accurate. But yeah, Bain in, in the history of all of these trades where it's involved all of these picks. Like, I can understand fans going like, well, how come you would have to do all that stuff? But if you're Orlando, you're like, if this addresses our biggest single issue, which still would. It'd be nice if it addressed it a little bit more to the start of the season as they've had Browning in the form. Really?
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Yeah.
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Okay. All right. I'm, I'm. Look, I love this Magic team. I'm holding out hope as well. It's official. The Big Shack is out now. I tried one a few days ago. And it lives up to the name. It's a serious burger. Two Angus beef patties, three buns, new secret sauce. It's stacked, balance, and built the right way. You get everything you expect from Shake Shack. Fresh ingredients, that toasted potato bun and sauce that pulls the whole thing together for 9.99. It's kind of wild how much burger you're getting, especially one that doesn't taste like typical fast food. It's big, it's fresh, it's legit. One of their best burgers yet. I had Shake Shack here in London. Yeah, I did it, you know, I was trying different stuff, different cuisine. A lot of late night sushi, little bluefin tuna from Spain. But you know what? One day, walking from the theater district to Piccadilly, I saw it. I saw the sign, I saw the logo, and I go, let me go see my guys. Let me see how it holds up over here on the other side. I made the order, and I don't know what I'm doing for international relations, but I feel like we're better right now. I have to see how the stock market reacts to this news. But I was walking around, they're like, that guy knows. I think he knows what he's doing. He looks like he knows V2. Like, what are you doing? Like, oh, Shack burger. Like, what are you doing? You just move here. And I was like, I'm just visiting. And they're like, God, you look like you've been here for years. I was like, I feel like I've been here for years because I feel like I'm at home. I'm at a Shake Shack. It doesn't matter if it's Piccadilly. It doesn't matter if it's Rosecrans. It doesn't matter if it's New York City. Doesn't matter if it's in St. Louis. I'm right back at home slopping some sauce and ketchup and a couple side nugs that nobody's looking at. I had a great time. If you've been waiting to see what all the hype's about, today's the day. Go to Shake Shack and order the Big Shack. Sounds familiar. Made different. I want to stay with this draft thing because this is really interesting.
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Okay?
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Tennessee has the number one pick going into next year. It would be really fascinating if one of the quarterbacks from this senior class. Well, not senior class being. Understand what I'm saying? Going into the 26th class was a stud. And they had just taken Cam Org and now it's, it's easier to say, well, there's no one that we really loved. Although, you know, despite the collection of this group, that is disappointing. You know, pick, pick whoever you want to pick. Right. Whether it's Club Nick Nussmeier. Although I do look at Nussmeier and I wonder if he had been a first. Yeah, right. If he had been a first round pick, would he be in a shitty situation where now if he's a third round pick, it's going to be a terrific situation. So I'm just going to put a, I'm going to bookmark that.
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Yeah. Because I think he's been hurt all year and I think that I would take a flyer on him. Absolutely. In the third round. Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Because I loved, I loved him coming into the season.
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And as you famously said, if you're a second round quarterback, you're a first round quarterback. That's what, that's what GM's told you. Like, if you're a second round guy, then it probably means you're going to the first round. So look, maybe somebody's going to fall in love with Mendoza. You know, more often than not. What will happen in this sport is that we get a couple weeks out, Schefter starts giving us the updates about like how much everybody loves one of.
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These guys, but the coaches, it's always the coaches, the scouts are like, this guy is the, is the 53rd player on our board. And then there's a coach who's like, I met with Fernando Mendoza the Senior bowl and I just love him. I just love him. He is the guy. And then he gets third overall.
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Same thing happens in the NBA by the way too. Like the head coach will watch like a tournament game. The guy just goes off in the sweet 16. And then the head coach, who's getting paid like as much as anybody, usually way more than the people in the front office is like, I love this guy. And then I'll hear from the staff being like, this sucks. Like, we've watched him 30 times. We have all, we have pages and pages of scattering reports on this guy. And he had went seven of eight from three in the Sweet 16. And now our head coach, who's like a huge name is telling us we have to take him.
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There was some, I remember hearing there was some frustration later days, Belichick, that the scouts would do all this work and then he, Belichick, would just call one of his five coaching buddies, Pat Hill. Pat Hill and Greg Shiano and Urbano Urban. And then all of a sudden it's, we got a Rutgers guy in the fourth round we didn't work on.
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Oops. That's exactly what would happen because I mean there was a run of Gators that he was taking and you can point to Aaron Hernandez and then there'd be like all the guys that were like preseason, all SEC picks and then they'd have a super disappointing year. And then it was like, oh man, like this guy couldn't believe he fell to us, like, because he was way worse his junior year than his. He actually that was a big thing with Belichick. He used to love the guy that had the great junior year and then disappointing senior year. And you know what? Vince Wolfort theoretically was one of those guys and it ended up working out great. A lot of draft stuff here. So I guess my question is how weird do you think the top will get four teams? You know, is Jameis going to cost the Giants the second pick? Cause I think they still have the second pick here and they would argue but I guess both of those teams would say we don't like anyone enough. But if it's Tennessee 1 and the Giants 2, maybe it's the trade out. Maybe they take a defensive player, maybe it's one of the offensive. I don't know. But I, I do think it's interesting to even think about this stuff in November.
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Yeah, Cam Ward played a really good game. So I, I'm not yesterday. I don't know if you got that on Sky Sports, but I, I'm not really.
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I love the throwback to the middle of the field. It reminded me of college.
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Yeah, Terror Strappo, of all people, he played a good game. He had I think the third best quarterback rating of any quarterback who played against the Seahawks this year. So I wouldn't rule out them winning a second game. But right now it's Tennessee, New York, New Orleans, then Jets, Vegas, Cleveland, Washington, Cincinnati, Arizona, Miami and then the rams pick is 11. If I'm Tennessee. You hope someone falls in love with, with a Mendoza. We'll see what else happens there. I remember Drew Aller came back to school last year. We'll see what happens with the whole thing. Nil has just changed everything about the sport. If I'm Tennessee, I trade out of that pick. I don't even know. I think I just saw PFF's big board. Ruben Bane was number one. Tennessee needs a lot more than Reuben Bain. Like they need. They functionally, they need to over. They need a couple more offensive linemen. They just need Credibility. I mean it's funny that they fired Mike Vrabel because they needed Mike Vrabel to come in and just fix everything. Get NFL players at these positions because Cam Ward is getting pressured on every drop back. His receivers are simply not getting open. All the tape guys, Orlovsky, Chase, Daniel, all these guys are just in love with his actual throws. The concern for me in the last month of the season is not that he'll get mentally broken because he played for Incarnate Ward in Washington State and he's getting the crap knocked out of him. It was that I'm worried he's going to take a hit that prevents him from doing the crossbody throws and all the athleticism I fear for him every time he drops back. So they just need credibility in that roster and you're going to need a bunch of picks for that. So. So might end up being the first overall pick is going to get them there. But they. You're going to need Mendoza to have like an amazing. First of all, he's going to play Mendoza going to play Ohio State in two weeks. That's going to be massive because if he, if he lays an egg then that Ohio State's the closest thing to NFL defense is going to see this year. We'll see if he plays at Georgia or something like that in the playoffs. But I'm looking at this. I'm just. Tennessee needs a lot and, and they're going to need someone like that to pop so that they get two and a half first round picks for. For Mendoza.
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The final thought, Miami Hurricanes, your fan base patiently awaiting the committee's decision. Where are you right now with where they are in the ranking and then looking ahead to Tuesday night's release. Yeah.
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So I think it's a disgrace.
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Are you serious?
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A little bit. I'm a little serious.
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Disgrace. Intense.
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Yeah. Well, this is an intense. It's an intense sport, Ryan, so I'll start here. So there's two scenarios which Miami gets in two. There. There's an ACC tie breaker. Miami has a tiebreaker. If it's a bunch of two lost teams, Miami is going to win the tiebreaker. There's a couple of.
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You need three teams to lose this weekend for that to happen.
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You need two of three. Two of three. You need two of smu, Virginia and Duke. Two of those three teams you lose and Wake is going to be Duke.
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Oh, to get in.
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To get in. Yeah. To get into the ACC championship game. Yeah, yeah.
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And then win the acc.
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I don't. I'm not concerned. The Utah thing is just that, that, that, that's a disgrace. I mean the Utah, Utah is not better than the University of Miami. Vandy. We'll see. I say because Miami beat Notre Dame, I'd say that Miami will eventually distance themselves from Bandy. We'll see on Tuesday night. I don't think Tuesday night matters very much.
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I think Tennessee gets Vandy, by the way, this weekend.
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I agree, I agree. I don't think Vandy's gonna get out. So then it comes down to an Ole Miss losing the Egg Bowl, Alabama losing the Iron bowl, the Notre Dame thing, Notre Dame being ahead of Alabama, let's leave the Miami head to head aside. I went on Fine bomb and I wanted to rant about this. First of all, the competitive pools thing. The fact that Notre Dame and Miami, they're head to head does not matter because they're not in the same competitive pool. Well, you guys on the committee came up with the competitive pools. So it's not like you got the tablets on the mountain and oh no, no. Notre Dame and Miami, not competitive pools. You guys are doing that. And the way you're doing it, the little parlor trick is by putting Utah ahead of Miami, by putting Alabama behind Notre Dame. Alabama has the best wind in the sport this year because they beat the best one loss team in football. Okay? Miami beat Notre Dame head to head and the media that is supporting Notre Dame wants to talk about every single game except the game they played against each other. I'm old school, I grew up in Florida in the 90s and I remember when college football meant you lose one game and you need a whole lot of help to win the national championship. A whole lot of help. And I have felt the sanctity of the regular season is such that head to head should trump all if you have vaguely the same record. I don't care about common opponents with Syracuse. If you played head to head, you play to win the game. Okay? And I just. The college football to me has the best regular season in sports because of that scarcity, right? It's because of the fact that you only play 12 games because if you lose you feel like you're going to die. Because even now, because it matters.
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Yeah, but that's over. That's over though. But it's not scarcity of the regular season.
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No, no, no.
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But it's not what it was.
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Head to head. If you play head to head, it should still, it should still matter. If you play head to head, it should still matter.
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Does head to head mean More than being in fifth place in the worst Power 4 conference.
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But that's. But Notre Dame's not in a conference, so you can. And by the way, most of their wins are coming against the that power conference. So what?
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They're playing Syracuse.
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NBC. They would not be. I don't even understand. They would not be in first. I'm not even sure. I'm not even sure. So they'd have one loss.
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They'd have one conference.
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Virginia. They'd be tied with Virginia.
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Right.
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Okay.
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Yeah. I mean the other losses to A.
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And M. Yeah, the other loss to A and M. But they would schedule differently. We'd see if.
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Sure.
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This is hypothetical. This is hypothetical. I don't think that this should become like college basketball where you're just looking at resumes. Head to head has to matter because of the way college football has its traditions. The committee, I feel like that is resumes though.
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I mean, do you think Miami's better than Notre Dame right now?
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I do. I think that. Oh, you do?
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Okay, well then I can't. Right. Okay, that's fine then. If you think they're better. I actually like that more than the head to head from week one. Even though I do think the head to head should matter somewhat. But I don't think the scarcity of the regular season applies. Not in a 12 team format.
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Every time I see an argument for Notre Dame being better now, they're not playing anyone good. I mean, by the way, Louisville and smu, awful losses. I will make no excuses for them.
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They're not terrible teams.
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They're better than the people. With the exception of USC, who's by the way out of the top 25 or should be. I didn't even see the ranking. But they should be out of the top 25 and they will be out of the top 25 in the playoffs, probably with the exception of USC, everybody. And Navy is not. Sorry, Navy's not a good win. Nor do I think USF, who we beat 49 to 14, who just lost to Navy, I don't think that's a good win either. But we have one of the best. Miami has one of the best losses. Sorry, one of the best wins in sport. And to value wins over losses like quality losses to me is not a thing. I think if Miami played Notre Dame right now, they would win. I don't know how else to say this. I think that the problem that Notre Dame faced is that Notre Dame, their two tackles had like the worst PFF ratings in the history of college football against Ruben Bane and Akeem Macedore. Ruben Bane, Nickem Esdor are still there. And I keep hearing about Notre Dame's players who've gotten better over the course season. We've got a lot of freshmen who've started playing now. Gerard Pringle, who's just crushing it, is what amounts to our starting running back right now. He's a true freshman. And I saw Notre Dame fans yesterday said, well, it was a new defensive coordinator. We had a new defensive coordinator. Like every argument to be made that Notre Dame is getting better just doesn't seem to hold water with me.
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So, yes, except for Carson Beck, who's getting worse.
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He's not getting worse. Have you seen the stats the last three weeks?
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He's one of the best quarterbacks.
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Who gets cues. These are the teams that Notre Dame was playing.
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Yeah, but I just don't look, I think where people felt about like back and again, it sort of drove me crazy. Like, he loves football. Again, it's just bullshit. Post Georgia in the big spots with him. I mean, you want to tell me you trust him, go ahead. I don't.
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I am telling you I trust him. He had two awful games and Miami lost those games. But right now I'm looking at it. So, Sarah, Jen would have Notre Dame as two point favorites in Miami, which is exactly what they were in August. Exactly what they were in August. And so I just think that looking at this, I don't know how to say the problem with Notre Dame is that they could not stop our pass rush. And the pass rush is still there.
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Okay, all right, look, you said you think they're better than them today. That's good enough for me. If you were in the committee, I think Notre Dame is better now. I might be wrong about it, but I have Miami. I have Miami in my top.
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What has gotten better. Jeremiah Love had 33 yards against Miami in August because they couldn't stop the defensive line.
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All right, look, I'm sorry, but, like, why is Miami allowed to get better every single week but CJ Carr, with an offensive line playing in his first game on the road at your place, that somehow that matchup will play out the exact same way as it did week one if they played again. So therefore you're suggesting they're not allowed to get better, but everybody in Miami's getting better? That doesn't make any sense.
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I'm saying Miami is improving in the same way Notre Dame is this.
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So it's exactly like it's this scale. Whatever the gap was between there, if we charted this out over the last few weeks because I think the advantage. That's an impossible thing to chart. I don't.
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Yes, I know. The only impossible thing, the only possible thing to chart, the only tangible thing is that these two teams played Ryan Rosillo. They played and that matters.
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They did. They did. And I understand the head to head thing driving all of you guys crazy. I have Miami in my top 12. I had him in there a week ahead of everybody else having him there. I don't understand the committee's love with Utah and it'll be really interesting, interesting.
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To see if they still love him.
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Even with the win against Kansas State. But I don't think it's a conspiracy. I don't think it's a conspiracy. That's.
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I think, I think the Utah thing is because they put the Utah ad on the damn committee when, when Mack Rhodes got fired. So I do think part of that, I think the conspiracy is keeping Notre Dame and Miami apart in competitive pools. I think putting Notre Dame in front of Alabama and then putting Utah in front of Miami is part of keeping them apart because they can't be in the same competitive pool. They're trying to avoid that. My guess is, to be quite frank with you, my guess is they're going to try to put Miami in because these are risk averse people and they don't want the controversy of head to head not mattering. They're going to probably try, but Miami is going to need a little, a little help for that. And this is one thing as aggrieved as I am about the head to head not mattering if Miami is ranked 11th and doesn't get in because obviously you need to be in the top 10 because the automatic qualifiers, the Miami's ranked 11, they go play in the Gator Bowl. I'm not going to be that mad because you can't. You did it to yourself. You knew what you had to do and you could have dropped Louisville, you could have dropped smu. The Louisville game, to me I was there was a little more annoying than the SMU game only because I mean SMU, Miami had them 4th and 9 and they committed a kind of a fishy personal foul call. But let's not go down that, that road. The Louisville game, they had so many chances to get back in that and they just short yardage, false starts, just very, very slop game. So they knew what they had to do. They didn't do it. So it's not like I'm going to become like the Florida State fans from a couple of years ago where I'm threatening a lawsuit against the committee. So I just want to announce that I was. No lawsuits.
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You could be googling.
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They would go around and they found every media member. Florida State fans found every media member who was like, they shouldn't get in the playoff. And then they found their podcast and gave them all one star. That was like their big thing. To be clear, I thought Florida State should have gotten in, but I will not be doing that kind of stuff if we get left out.
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I know.
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That's why the Trevor Mattish podcast went under. Poor guy. Thank you to Kevin Clark, espn. This is football. You could check it out every single week, multiple episodes. Thanks, Kevin.
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Thank you, buddy.
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But it feels like, I don't say it is the reason they won a national championship last year, but it had something to do with how pissy they were when they started and the run of teams that they had to go through, which again, we have nothing to compare it to because we didn't have this system prior to last year. But you know, what that team did and who they ended up beating to go through in a national championship is, is just incredibly impressive because, you know, it's all these extra games for him. So, you know, I don't, I don't love Michigan necessarily this year. They're great on third down conversion, which usually speaks to the quarterback stuff, but I think they're kind of Limited in that they run it really well and we'll see. I mean, if they don't beat them this year, Ohio State to close out before Michigan. And there's a, there's a theme here that I'm going to get to because I'm not going to take too long on this. They played. If you look at the fpi, it's not everything, but you look at like the lowest power for FPI schools. The Big Ten's got a chunk from 60 to 80. So Ohio State's played number 60, number 78. Number 80. The worst schools, Stanford's 81, Cal's 83, North Carolina's 87. Boston College is 93. Chuse they didn't have fun on Saturday, 95th and then Oklahoma State 114. They're down there in like. Did you just join the FBS numbers? Number two, Indiana, who's off five and a half point dog against Ohio State in the Big Ten title game. That number available on DraftKings I have Georgia third. They've gone from 45th and opponent's yards per play defensively to 25th in the last couple weeks. Number four, A and M, only a two and a half point favorite at Texas. Can you imagine if Texas pulls this off? Texas would have four top 10 wins and teams that like are going to stay kind of in the top. Like this isn't. Some of these schools is like, oh, we have two top 25 wins. You're like, okay, both those teams are seven and five and nobody's voted for them in a month. I'm not saying Texas should get into the playoffs. I'm just imagine having four and not getting in again. Don't schedule at Ohio State to start the year. Number five, Oregon O. Line issues, Check. Wide receiver, health, check. Sadiq was back though. He had two touchdowns. This defense and I know look not as much defensively against sc, but overall on the season they're number four defensively in opponent's yards per play. It's just a huge number. It's up there with the big boys, Ohio State, Texas Tech and they run the football really well. So even if they don't have this receiving group when they're healthy, super talented with Dante Moore, even when they can't protect as well, they can still run the football if they have to do that. And so this team is. Is more well rounded, I think, than people realizing why I've still been a little higher on them than the voters have who, you know, again, not to say they caught up, but they beat a ranked USC team. And then there's also another conversation of like, what does this mean for the Big Ten and how many bids that they're going to get. Well, at least this locks up three. Because if SC had beaten Oregon, I don't know that that means SC was going to jump into the top 12 here. Texas Tech, I have them. Number six dropped behind Oregon. Ole Miss, I have seven who have dropped behind Oregon. I'm gonna feel really bad for Ole Miss fans if Elaine Kiffin is announced as the next LSU head coach while that team is headed to a playoff. I just think it sucks. I understand it's a job and you kind of got to get out to start up the next one, but I don't know, I wonder if there'll be some revamping of all of this coaching stuff and how it works, but I don't know that you're ever going to have programs that aren't desperate to figure out some kind of solution and just do ridiculous things. All right, number eight, Notre Dame. I understand the Miami thing for Miami fans and how frustrating it is. It's not a conspiracy. Stop being so. Just, I don't know, like, it's just so. There's something about bias where it's like, it's only happening to me. You're like, yeah, well, I don't know. I don't even know if this is necessarily biased. I do think this is the time of the year with college football. It gets really frustrating where no one's just allowed to say, hey, I've watched these teams play all year long and I think right now this team is better than that team, even though the head to head should matter. But does it matter so much that all of a sudden Miami has to be ahead of Notre Dame, ahead of Oklahoma? Have Alabama like, do you want to do that? I don't know. I don't. So I've got Notre Dame 8. I've got Oklahoma 9th. A fight with Mizzou and Prula back, 62nd in the country on third down conversions. The worst of any of the teams that I've just mentioned. Number 10, Bama. The line at Auburn is minus five and a half. Chris Fowler trivia. I've got Miami 11, I've got Vandy 12. When they finish at Tennessee this week, that'll be the sixth ranked team they play. But kind of back to one of those things I said earlier, talking about Texas, it's like, okay, what does it say week to week and what does it say at the end? Some of those ranked teams South Carolina, lsu, Mizzou all out now, Mizzou out with that loss. So I think they're going to end up with unless they beat Tennessee, be zero. Well, we'll see what happens with Tennessee. I don't think that's an easy game at their place. Certainly they could have zero wins against the top 25. So that maybe means BYU enters the chat Utah that the committee loves. I don't know if they're still going to love them even though they pulled off a win despite allowing 472 rushing yards against Kansas State. Kansas State's kind of like a sneaky tough out. But then you look at like what Texas Tech did to K State versus what Utah did again. Utah won. But I think when you start getting through some of this stuff. So I'm going to go. Miami 11. Yeah. Vandy 12. And you know, if you're just hammering the head to head, you're also conveniently ignoring that. Miami's tied for fifth in the worst power four conference in the acc. They're tied for fifth with Duke. Pitt is second in this conference. Who lost to West Virginia. West Virginia's 4 and 7. Pitt got absolutely destroyed by Notre Dame recently by what, 22 points. So you know, Georgia Tech, nice win there for Pitt. The defense for Tech has fallen apart the last three weeks. So whenever I see like some of the Miami arguments, I mean I wouldn't, if I were trying to win a campaign, I wouldn't point out the, the things that I've done wrong. I would hammer the thing that I think is in my favor. But that close of a loss that early, I don't love it. Look, I'm telling you, I don't necessarily love it, but then I have to jump Bama or excuse me, Miami over Bama, over Oklahoma. And I'm not going to do that considering the conference that they're, they've struggled to stay clean. It, I mean, how are they in fifth place in that conference? All right, let me finish with this thing. It happens every single year. College football people cannot help themselves. It's just so fucking annoying. And here's the thing. It's coming from one of my all time favorite programs outside of lsu. If I could go to any stadium, it's Austin. I love Oregon, I love Lanning. I love that he came on with us. Rob Mullins, the ads, just an absolute home run. You think about the hires? Chip Kelly. What? Helfrich? Fine. I know it didn't necessarily work out, but they played in title game. Will Taggart was There a year. But that was a 75 season after going 4 and 8 the previous year. Florida State wanted him so badly he only lasted a year. So then he's going to go ahead and hire Crystal Ball. Crystal Ball wants to go home to Miami. And then he nails it again with Lanning. All right, so what happens is, is every single year, this 11th game in the SEC where a handful of SEC schools play a terrible team at this point of the schedule, just for whatever reason, like guys decide that this is some massive talking point. And here was Lanning's quote. Well, we just played a really good team. We beat him. And a lot of times we, we play really good teams. They become unranked all of a sudden. That's not our fault, right? Maybe it is our fault, but all we're worried about is playing the teams that we play and doing the job that we need to do. And we did that job today, right? I think proof's in the pudding, right? Played a good team. We beat him, right. All we can do next week is try to do the same thing, right? And this conference is a really good conference. It's competitive, right? We didn't play Chattanooga State today.
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Right.
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Like some other places, right. We, we competed. So, you know, that being said, it's tough playing nine conference games. It's tough playing in this league.
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League.
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And we, and we got to take advantage of playing a good team today and attacking that. So look, I'd ask Lanning this or anyone from Oregon, should Sark make fun of Oregon Week 1 when he's playing at Ohio State and Oregon's playing Montana State. You know, Oregon, to their credit, played 11 of 12 games against power four teams. Sort of. I mean, Oklahoma State, you know, they schedule ahead of time. It's really technically 10 of 12. I don't know what you would call the pack two, but of course they're going to play Oregon State because of the rivalry, all this stuff. But it's the same people every year. And look, you can hate the sec, you can hate me talking about it sometimes. I'm sick of myself talking about it. But like, you know, we can look this shit up, right? And it's the same people that will never say next week, like, wow, that's kind of tough for Georgia, South Carolina, Florida and Kentucky to all play non conference games week 12 from Power Four teams, all depending at where Georgia Tech is on the season or where they are as their program. Like no one wants to give Florida credit for Florida State. They had to play Miami and Florida State. And throw in south floor on top of everything else. South Carolina having to play Clemson all those years and Louisville usually, you know, more often better than not for Kentucky. No one. No one that shits on the SEC in. I can't call it week 11, but at that game 11 point ever gives any of those teams credit. You want to talk about the extra conference game? You're right. But, you know, I. I'm sure some SEC schools would love to play an extra conference game against the bottom five teams in the Big Ten, more so than the bottom five teams of the sec. And if you look at it, the power four against other power four conferences this year, the sec, including Notre Dame with the A and m win, is 10 and 4. So I don't know if it's. It's not. It's not the dominant conference that it was for a bunch of years. And I'm not talking about national championships. It's just talking about year to year. And you're like, you know, there's. The gap is closer, I think now than it has been for a really long time. But, you know, it's kind of like Signetti, who's been an absolute stud. One of the most incredible success stories in turning around a place that was a complete afterthought. Afterthoughts probably being complimentary to Indiana football prior to Signetti showing up. But then this summer when they dropped their Power 4 non conference game, he's like, oh, I thought we'd do the SEC model. It's like, you know, we can look this shit up, right? Like we're aware of who you play. And then you're gonna sit here and talk shit about it. It's like the mayor of Houston going to Malibu a weekend it rains and going. I don't see it. Hey, what's going on there, pal? We saw you at the hockey game on.
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I have every toy you can possibly.
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C
Imagine, and best of all, kids, I am liquid.
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A
So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required. Life advice. Our email address is life advice. Rrmail.com. almost forgot for a second. I've been in London almost a week. I leave in a couple hours. I'll be back home this afternoon. Pretty excited about it, but nice little joint they got over here. I've enjoyed it. So we do have a four part travel pod which I think I'll touch on an hour and a half. Some of the segments went a little bit longer than I thought, but there's a lot to get to do. Maybe not as much exploring as what I would have loved to have been able to do, but I was. I was pretty London based throughout. So I didn't get out to the Coswalds, which is probably a mob land. Yeah. Shires I'd love. I love that you said that, Kyle. I. I wanted to hit up a shire bad. I was thinking about heading down to the beach, but the weather for the most part's been incredibly shitty. It's rained almost every single day. It's freezing.
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D
Do people love telling you about it?
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A
The weather?
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B
Yep.
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A
No, they're actually like all week. As I would leave the hotel, they'd be like, you know, you sure you're all right, mate? You know, like they didn't love. They thought I was dressed a little light. Ah. No umbrella. Okay, no umbrella. You know, there was like a hoodie and then like a shacket thing. Combo. And then when I went to Fulham, it was basically like I jumped in a pool and then sat down to watch a little football.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Soccer. Yeah.
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B
Craven Cottage.
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A
Do we. Have you ever been. Have you been to a Premier League game?
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B
I have actually not. I've been to Barcelona. I saw Messi play there. I was going to go to an Everton game when they closed out their stadium but couldn't get the wife on board on that one. It was. We decided to go to Portugal instead, which is probably nice. And hang out at the beach. But no, I mean, I've heard Craven Cottage is one of those places. Fulham's like one of those smaller clubs and Craven Cottage is like. Everyone speaks about how cool it is.
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A
It was awesome. It really was. I go more into depth in the whole thing. But, Kyle, you wouldn't have liked this. Like, I grabbed a beer because I was like, hey, look, I'm here. Maybe a pint of Camden. I think that's what it was. And went down. Went down. Nice.
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B
What just happened?
- [87:56]
A
You got a goal in that rainy.
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B
I was monitoring it for you because I'm like, nil, nil. Late second half. I'm like, Priscilla, like, if he goes to one soccer match and it comes back nil, nil. I'm like, I'm gonna feel like a fraud. It's gonna suck. So I'm happy you got the winner there, Jimenez. Mexico arrivals here, obviously, with the US Men's national team. It's okay. We still like him, but. Yeah.
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A
And almost our rivals almost locked in.
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D
He just saying words.
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A
I don't know. World War I, I. I went over the. One of the war museums here.
- [88:24]
D
Is that that shirt you got there? I was wondering if that was like a.
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A
Three museums. Okay. I'm like Wargon, but taller. Whatever happened to that guy? Yeah, I did the Churchill Museum. I did the British Museum. All the museums here. Well, Churchill, you have to pay, which makes sense if you think about Churchill. He was terrible with money, so I don't know. His estate's getting. That wasn't great with the investments, but anyway. Yeah, there was. There was a. There was a salvo from Wilhelm to be like, hey, Mexico, do you want to join the cause? World War I, we'll give you back Texas. Which is just an absurd. Like, what? Like, yeah, dude, we'll give you Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, like, the whole Alamo thing. We're over it. Yeah. What do you say? Give them back to you and you're. You know, if you're Mexico, you probably have a meeting. Blake, can they do that? Like, how. How's that going to work? Aren't they getting their ass writing?
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D
We're going to get Charlie Brown again.
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A
Yeah.
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C
What's going on?
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A
They trying to fight Russia and France and Great Britain all at the same time. There's some Serbian going on. Yeah. So I don't know. Where were we? Fulham Rain. And we had front row seats. We were really excited. I was actually wondering if you were going to be able to spot me, because I didn't get the memo on the dark jacket. So I had a white jacket on, so I looked like. I mean, I really care all that much, but I looked like an asshole because I would think I was, like, the only person wearing a white jacket. And then the first three rows are available because when it's raining, it's like the only section that's not covered. Covered. So everybody else at the Fulham side, like, I was behind the goal, right next to where the corner would be. So I didn't know if Ruby's gonna find me on tv. It's funny, too, because, like, at one point I was like, is that Shane Gillis? And I was like, oh, no, of course not. I was like, I don't. It's not Shane Gillis. That guy's also like, shane Gillis is big. But I was like, that guy's like 6, 7. He's just crushing a meat pie, like. And then I was like, oh, is that Shane Gillis? And then I realized There was like 700 versions of Shane Gillis at the full. That is funny.
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B
A lot of them like belly tattoos. Did you dabble in any of the. The cuisine at the. At the stadium? Because that's like, you know, the British soccer stadiums are known for just having like the most grotesque food ever. I don't. Maybe the cottage has good stuff. I don't know. But like a lot of meat pies, turkey legs maybe. It looks pretty unappetizing.
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A
No, it was a lot of cheeseburgers and fries. We call them chips. Yeah. Hell yeah. Chips looked fine. Burger looked okay, but I wasn't me to eat it.
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B
No mushy peas?
- [91:04]
A
No. Then somebody on the way out, I think I was getting with because it was like a bunch of younger kids and they were like, you want a steak pie? He's just like handing it to me wrap. And I was like, no. Was that like a resell?
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D
Like a resale steak pie?
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A
No, I actually went to try to get like. I was going to get a scarf for Ceruti and then maybe even something for me. Maybe like a longshoreman's cap or something just to wear it around. Oh yeah. On the brine. And it was closed. It was closed. It was probably closed because it was so cold and it was raining so bad. Damn. And then.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, honestly, if it had been nil. Nil, which is what they say here. If it had been nil. Nil, I would have been fine. It was just such a great experience to be in there. The cottage Thames right behind it. I'm not saying like close. It's almost running underneath the place. And then I think there's hotels. A lot of this stuff is covered in the Brazilo on the road thing, so.
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D
Okay, don't.
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A
Great time. Yeah. Right. Went to a sex club. Oh yeah. Have to listen. You have to listen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Check it out.
- [92:08]
B
What a tease.
- [92:12]
A
Radio had two nights, but really should have left yesterday. Should have left yesterday. Fucking sitting in bed being like, when's this Tampa game kickoff? Like 2am well, you didn't message, so. Yeah, I was like, maybe it'll be an ass kicking. And then I get caught up in the morning. And then I woke up, I was like 34, 7. All right. Not going to be the leader.
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B
I will say though, you, you, I feel like, you know, Rosillo, obviously Italian.
- [92:36]
A
What else is your.
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B
What else is Your heritage.
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A
Because you, you be a British guy.
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B
I feel like you don't stand out there.
- [92:42]
A
Looks like a mix. No, no, I'm not wise.
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B
But, you know.
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A
Yeah, they were like, what is your problem?
- [92:49]
B
You weren't wearing like a tight T shirt, tight jeans and, you know, Asics.
- [92:54]
A
My affinity for Brunello right now would tell you maybe the Italian part is coming on because there was a Brunello right across the street from the hotel. So I was like, I'm pop in, see the boys, see the lads. Maybe did eat at an Italian restaurant like three different times that was right near me and it was just like right out of like New York City. Not old school mafioso Italian, but the other end of the Italian. Yes. Borrow Michael Scott's favorite spot myself. A New York slice.
- [93:23]
B
Best slice in New York.
- [93:25]
A
Yeah. I'll tell you, there was a time when Sparrow was like, you were pumped when you were a kid. You're like, can I get Sparrow? And your parents would be like, yeah, you can get it.
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D
We didn't even have one. I think the office is the first time I was like, I think I've seen that logo before. But like, I didn't actually get the joke right away because I didn't have one up in, you know, in the Hudson Valley. There's.
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B
I feel like Sparrows are only in.
- [93:43]
A
The mall for us, Kyle. For people our age.
- [93:45]
B
I don't like. I don't think.
- [93:47]
A
Is there one in the mall?
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B
There's definitely one.
- [93:49]
A
I mean, well, I don't. I don't know that I was going straight for the Chinese shop in the mall. I just want that.
- [93:53]
D
I want that glazed over chicken that tastes like spoonfuls.
- [93:57]
B
Yeah.
- [93:57]
D
I don't know what that is, man, but that's where I'm going.
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B
Top doesn't quite close.
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A
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a mutt. There was somebody who did. Someone in my family who did do the full thing and there was. There was a question of potentially having some. Some Spanish. Maybe a little Spanish. I don't know if that's true or not. Career might have been entirely different.
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D
Ton of history there.
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B
You've never done.
- [94:18]
A
Every time somebody says Rocio, I don't even get offended anymore.
- [94:21]
B
Yeah. Rhino seal. You've never done the 23andMe ancestries thing? No, I did it.
- [94:28]
A
Red ads for it. Probably said I did it, but didn't.
- [94:30]
B
Yeah, I did it. There's a couple surprise. It's, you know, you get. Who knows how real it is? But like, no, no, One, you know, I was pretty much Italian. I'm also like Czechoslovakian. Not sure which side of the war.
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A
I'm Native American in there.
- [94:42]
B
Elizabeth Warren, unfortunately, not political.
- [94:46]
A
I just, there's nothing funnier than the Elizabeth Warren confirmation that she has some Native American in her in that YouTube video. I'm telling you right now, even if she's your favorite politician of all time, please watch that fucking video because it is the funniest thing ever. Because there's also, it's like, what were you going to do? Not, not like, were you going to release it if it didn't go your way? And the summary of like, hey there. So you're saying there's a potential chance of a possibility of a chance. You're like, yes. This is like this exhale of like, wow, my people have fought so hard. Again, not political. You just have to.
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B
No, but it's incredible.
- [95:23]
A
I agree, I agree. It's, it's an unbelievable video. All right. But I got a surprise.
- [95:26]
B
I got some Greek in there. No one in my family was like.
- [95:29]
A
Oh, look, I heard that.
- [95:30]
B
And it was like 14% Greek. And I'm like, that's kind of cool because I've always.
- [95:33]
A
14, I'm 14.
- [95:34]
B
It's a lot. I know.
- [95:36]
A
Diner guy, huge.
- [95:37]
B
And I listen, love Greek food. Like, bring it on the diner.
- [95:40]
A
But.
- [95:41]
B
And I always refer to myself as vaguely Mediterranean. I'm not sure, like, you know, just around the area. So that kind of works out well. But yeah, it was a total surprise. No one in my family has any Greek anything. And 14% Greek.
- [95:50]
A
The old 23andMe vaguely Mediterranean needs more play.
- [95:57]
D
There's a T shirt right there.
- [95:57]
A
Here we go. Yeah, there you go.
- [95:58]
D
Look, you just got to keep your eyes peeled and like, the gold will come.
- [96:02]
A
What about you? You mostly English?
- [96:04]
D
English that last year. Yeah, English, Irish, Scottish, Kind of a.
- [96:08]
A
Melding of all those.
- [96:09]
B
The aisles.
- [96:10]
A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there might be some French.
- [96:12]
D
And German around there, but yeah, we're.
- [96:13]
A
We'Re mostly, mostly in the islands. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm a mu. I don't know that I believe the Spanish thing at all, to be honest with you. Something to, something to look forward story, though.
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B
Yeah, it's a long lost Spanish relative.
- [96:29]
A
Yeah, there could have been an accounting error on that one, but yeah, I'm not, you know, I hate, I hate like letting the Italians down because of my name. Because I do love the last name. It's rare. I, I, you know, I certainly like it more than my first name, But. It. Wait, were you hardcore?
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B
Like, was your family?
- [96:53]
A
I.
- [96:54]
B
We've never really talked about this.
- [96:56]
A
We are not hardcore anything. We don't believe in anything.
- [96:59]
B
So you weren't the Connecticut hard? Because I. Because I grew up, I. You know, I was, I thought, 75 Italians, at least what I was told growing up. And I'm like, man, if I was just 100, that'd be awesome. Because everyone in my town growing up was basically Italian. And so I was like, damn it, I'm only 75%. But now I'm like, it's kind of cool to have other stuff.
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A
The Italian Providence thing was, like, a big deal for that line of the family. But then it was like, you know, you started throwing more people in there, throwing McKenna, throwing somebody French. It's like, you know, so there wasn't a lot of connection to me, to the Providence. I don't think the Providence crew looked at me being like, he's one of ours. And then I, you know, I remember being in Boston, if I went to, like, a Red Sox game early on in my career, because I'd be like, on TV or something like that, and some guy, like, super Italian guy would be like, nice to see a paisan on the tube. And I'd be like, look at me. Like, do you really. When you see me on tv, do you think, yeah, you know, I don't feel like Lou Ferrigno over here. And he was jacked. I don't know. Check out Lou Ferrigno. 100%. I don't know. Get it on that one. Yeah. So we have some emails here. I think we have a lot of time, so that's why we're kind of just going with it right now.
- [98:14]
B
Exploring the space.
- [98:15]
A
Yep. Yeah. Somebody who saw me and recognized me at Fulham match. Did we do this? No, I don't think so.
- [98:22]
B
You kind of told me that some people did. Lou Ferrigno. Not 100% Italian.
- [98:26]
D
Yeah.
- [98:26]
B
Swedish. Kind of thought Swedish and Irish. Wow.
- [98:29]
A
Yeah. I mean, fucking. Hey, I just think about. Think about the Italians. Listen to that right now. You're like, God damn it, Ursula. We were doing great.
- [98:36]
B
Didn't need to know that. Yeah.
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A
Longtime listener, basketball comp Shane Battier. Work hard on defense, rebounding, even box out and pick up. Can make a shot. But maybe better off sitting at the end of the bench waving a towel. I just want to apologize to Ryan for shouting at him at Saturday's Fulham match at Craven Cottage. Ryan and his mate, minding their own business, walked past me before the Match. I'm a huge fan. In a second or two. Did some quick calculus on what to do, and, man, I got it wrong. Here was the thinking. I didn't want to approach him and invade his space. He would have asked about who, the jerk. My favorite Dilfer segment. Or the guy who went from a California king to the floor. It would have been like the Sting sketch on snl. I thought it was important to me that he know he had fans in London. I recognized this is about me, not him. I expected that he was walking past me to some suite upstairs with an Eyes Wide Shut party in full flow and wouldn't have time to even react. As it turns out, he's a man of the people. Had a very normal, maybe even not great seats. Again, they were front row. They were available because we were drenched. So I sat there, I started cheering. There was a couple. There's a couple early chances where I stood up. I gotta be honest. The chanting all game. No, it wasn't. I expected. I had higher hopes.
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D
Expecting a little more.
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A
Wow. Yeah. There's this thing they do that. Come on, Fulham. Come on, Fulham. Come on, Fulham.
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B
Yeah, it's pretty basic. And then I feel like most clubs have that.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Some version.
- [99:58]
A
And then when the opposing goalie's getting ready to kick, they do this.
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C
Your.
- [100:04]
A
That's a good one. Love that. I thought they'd say, you're shite, but it's more of a Scottish thing.
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C
Right.
- [100:10]
B
I think shite is a Scouser thing.
- [100:12]
A
Right.
- [100:12]
B
That's. Yeah. More up north.
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A
Yeah. Well, you know what? You guys are right. You guys are right. Wrong. Glad we fixed that. That. So I waved at Ryan, looked over, kind of waved. I could tell he was confused. I was totally confused because I was like, what's going on here? I regretted not walking over and saying anything. Anyway, he wants to apologize. Don't apologize. I just didn't know what the. Was going on because I was shocked. So shouting. I mean, isn't that like the mode.
- [100:36]
D
Of communication at a stadium everywhere?
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A
I mean, nobody's totally fine. We waved. We waved at each other. So I just wanted to get. I didn't. I wasn't doing that for any other reason. So this guy doesn't feel bad about it. I just was so, so confused. All right, let's get to an email here, because I think this works out perfect. This one is titled Italian problem 62160. Gotta solve it. We're gonna try. Kyle's usage rate is low right now, so let's. Let's Start getting him. Let's get him on the block. Do you have any desire whatsoever to ever go to a Premier League game? Game, Kyle?
- [101:16]
D
Yeah, I could do it. I. I enjoy lafc. LAFC is great.
- [101:19]
A
LAFC is one of the best times I've. I've had at a live event. I think it's terrific.
- [101:24]
D
Not really a bad seat in the stadium either. I think it was.
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A
I think it was great. So I don't know if I'll be.
- [101:30]
D
At a Red Bull game or anything.
- [101:31]
B
But I feel like most things, like most sporting events, I'd give a shot to. Like, I've heard. I've never been, but I've heard NASCAR races are super fun. Depending on which one you're going to, I'd give it a shot.
- [101:41]
A
I've gotten invited by no NASCAR to go to Daytona.
- [101:44]
D
I don't know. I mean, I know some people will do like, they'll rent an RV and go like, you know, park outside the track for like three. That might be something. I don't know.
- [101:52]
C
Three days.
- [101:54]
D
My mom used to do that.
- [101:55]
B
Wow, that's hell. I don't know if I got three days in me.
- [101:57]
A
Wait, your mom would do an RV in nascar?
- [101:59]
D
She's a huge NASCAR fan.
- [102:01]
A
Yeah.
- [102:02]
B
And you just.
- [102:02]
D
When Earnhardt died, it was like a week where I don't think I spoke to her. She just was like in the room. I think she took off of work. Yeah, she's a big NASCAR fan.
- [102:11]
A
Pete Shurik. Worst, one of the worst quotes ever in the history of sports. Pitcher, I think a lefty. When Dale Earnhardt died, he said it's like Michael Jordan going up with the game winning layup in game seven and dying. You said that?
- [102:23]
D
Oh, my God.
- [102:24]
A
I've never forgotten it. I mean, I remember where I was when it happened, then I remember where I was when I read it. And here it is like what, 25 years. Yeah, I haven't forgotten that quote because I was like, except. Except for work, guys going up for layups don't ever die, right? Yeah, right.
- [102:40]
D
It's not like that then. Yeah, it's actually not like it's crazy.
- [102:44]
A
Anyway, let's see if we get it on that.
- [102:47]
D
See if that actually happened. Are you missing.
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A
I don't know what it's going to say though, man.
- [102:50]
D
If you misremember this, that's going to suck.
- [102:52]
A
No, I'm not. It's. But Google, man, and then the AI explanation of stuff, it's driving me crazy because it's like if it's this Bad for sports. I was looking at Big Ten tiebreakers the other day and it had Indiana with the wrong schedule in 24. So I was like, you know, what are we doing here? Like, the result might be like Pete Shurik and Dale Earnhardt never raced. You're going to go. Well, that's, that's not what I said. I don't know that you're going to even find it. Although I, I'm, I'm 99% sure because I've never forgotten that quote. It's so ridiculous that. Anyway, let's get back to the email as it continues.
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D
Italian problem.
- [103:32]
B
Quick look. I don't see anything, but I could be spelling shark wrong.
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A
Oh, man. All right, well, maybe when Kyle. We let Kyle breathe here, I'll look it up again. Okay, so run multiple Iron Man's sub three hour marathon. That's good.
- [103:46]
D
That's what we're talking about, dude.
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A
Yeah, brag about that. Yeah, I am. Fast bench, 135 game. Poor man's Larry Bird. I don't. I'm a little offended by anybody doing that one. But anyway, that's fine, whatever. So my 16 year old kid has a friend. Nice kid, Italian heritage, good soccer player. His father, on the other hand, has some different qualities. Very similar to Ronnie from Jersey Shore. Lifts weights all the time.
- [104:10]
B
Of all time. By the way, good at soccer. Weird father. Ronnie from Jersey Shore. Should I be offended? I don't know.
- [104:18]
A
Lifts weights all the time. Always looking for a fight. Had some trouble with the law. What's the issue? Some firearm violations. Okay. Always with a different 25 year old girlfriend. I mean, other than that one thing kind of sounds. Anyway, when our sons were younger, we had to contact each other for pickups from practice, at each other's house, etc. Now with his father having my wife's number, he bombards my wife with texts. Hi, how are you? Dumb memes. Dumb memes. Dude, that's so bad.
- [104:47]
B
That's a tough look.
- [104:48]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [104:51]
D
That'S a problem. Yeah, we've got a problem on our hands, boys.
- [104:54]
A
Yeah, we do.
- [104:55]
C
Certainly do.
- [104:56]
A
Yeah. I mean, dumb memes. Dumb memes is like the ultimate tell. Yeah. My wife ignored it. However, recently it went a different direction. He started texting her, inviting her over. Hot tub is fired up. Nice glass of wine waiting for you.
- [105:11]
D
Damn it.
- [105:11]
A
Ronnie would probably do run. So my wife isn't answering him, but it continues. My wife wants me to address the situation and have a word with this guy. Normally I would just be like, hey, wife is happily married. Doesn't want you to contact her anymore. Appreciate if you back off, but of course we were dealing with some unstable law breaking mafia, so I take offense to that. Not all of us are. I'm just kidding. That may not be that receptive to this conversation and I'm afraid I may end up swimming with the fish's life. Advice, please help. How should I address this, Kyle?
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D
I mean this. Is this throwing your wife under the bus? If you're just like, hey, listen, my wife comes from a really traditional family. Like, she's really just. She's not really into like going over to another guy's house, no matter who. Who it is. You know, maybe there's somewhere you could just go like traditional. And if he's that kind of Italian, maybe he'll be like, oh, I mean, of course. But it sounds like he's going to be taking offense to almost anything that you're like you're doing something that I don't like. It sounds like that could be, you know, I, I guess I'd ask like, what kind of fights is he looking for? Is this like after the, after the volleyball game? He's, he's, he's at the Pizza Hut, like fighting dudes at the salad bar.
- [106:17]
B
Like, I don't know their town.
- [106:18]
D
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Is it, is it that or is it just like anyone who has any sort of issue with what's going on, if it's somebody he knows. I guess I just wonder like, what kind of fights are we talking about? If he's out with 25 year olds, he's probably, you know, out at bars where, you know, this wouldn't be a bar setting.
- [106:33]
A
So, so.
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D
But honestly, if, if you guys don't think it's like throwing your wife under the bus, if you're just like, hey, man, she just comes from a really traditional background and like these type of things. Even though I know you probably don't mean anything by it. She just, you know, it's just not something she knows how to deal with. So, you know, if you could just do me a favor.
- [106:49]
A
Yeah, I don't know, it.
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B
It kind of reminds me of like the old, like, he's not weird, he's Italian, you know, kind of thing. Is he actually? Because maybe the guy is just, you know, that's just some. That's happens sometimes.
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A
The only thing is the hot tub's fired up.
- [107:08]
B
The hot tub is pretty pointed. The meme thing. The meme thing is almost somehow worse than like sending selfie pictures. It's I don't know.
- [107:14]
A
Right. Because you could pretend it's not bad and it's like, hey, dude, I know what you're doing.
- [107:19]
B
Yeah. So that's the other thing too.
- [107:20]
D
Looking for that lol. So we could be like, what are you up to?
- [107:23]
B
If you go to this guy and try to diffuse the situation, like, is your manhood, like, is he gonna, you know, is he gonna be like, I'm like hitting on this guy's wife? And he's just trying to, like, he's not mad at me. He's just trying to like, defuse the situation? I don't know. I mean, you probably.
- [107:34]
A
Yeah.
- [107:34]
D
Do you think he would only respect if you came in hot and you.
- [107:37]
B
Were just like, hey, fuck you, dude, don't talk to my wife anymore? Maybe that's the way you have to do it.
- [107:41]
A
Because.
- [107:41]
B
But maybe you don't really care about this guy respecting you, which I really wouldn't either. So I don't.
- [107:47]
D
He might, he might not know also, like, if he's. If this has worked for him a couple times, you know, he's in the gym, whatever, maybe, maybe he looks all right. Maybe this has worked for him a couple times. Maybe he is like, maybe he just needs to know that, you know, maybe there's been like a couple times where this, like, this has carried on in secret. And it's like he just has this like, long running conversation with women and then he's. He sees if he can seal the deal or not. But if he knows that, you know, she's showing this to her boyfriend, maybe he's like, all right, cut bake there.
- [108:15]
C
Cast.
- [108:15]
A
Cast it again.
- [108:16]
D
We got another game next week, so I don't know. He might just need to know that, like, she's not receptive. And he's like, maybe he's just a certified home record. He's okay with this, as you know, but once he knows that this is not going to go anywhere, he might just stop.
- [108:30]
A
I don't know. I mean, you kind of have to as the guy here, especially if your wife is saying, hey, you know, like, this is start. This is part of the traditional role of like, you know, we can sit here and debate, like, gender roles and how his tradition.
- [108:47]
D
I'd be all right if they didn't do that. Yeah, right.
- [108:49]
A
Yeah. But I think a lot of us would like to think if you're in a relationship that you could be there and if she's asking you to say something, this is definitely on you. It's not like you can have her tell him to fuck off in a text because she's asking you to step in here, you know, Although there's less chance of a threat for her to do it than for you. Then there's probably a selfish part of you. Like, the first thing, I'm thinking, some dads are probably out there. Be like, well, how tough is this carpool situation? Because if I'm getting a couple. Couple extra days of somebody helping out with my kids, getting them back and forth from practice, like, maybe I don't want to jeopardize that. But, you know, more often than not, guys like this, especially if he's still looking for fights at this stage of his life, like, they kind of get off on being police. Like, they. They like it. And I'd have to think, you know, look, sure, there's a chance, but I think the odds are still in your favor that ultimately, like, somebody who's doing something like this and then has the connection of his son to your son or whatever, like, he'll get super indignant. He'll. He'll act like a tough guy. Maybe he is, too. Who knows? But he's likely not going to do anything. You know, we're sitting here telling a stranger, be like, yeah, just go right back at him. But, you know, you gotta understand, like, he's not going to go. You know what? You're right. I was out of bounds. Like, that doesn't even. That's not even a possibility for this guy. He's likely going to tell you your wife's crazy. Yeah. And that she's stupid. She's not even his type. You know, he's just gonna go completely crazy the other way because he is a very flawed guy. So maybe if you know the moves ahead of time and just how preposterous the whole thing is, and you just be like, hey, dude, you can say whatever you want. You just gotta stop. You just stop texting my wife. And maybe it'll be a moment away from you. Right? Because he's never gonna give in. There'll be a moment away from you where he's driving home in the car and he's by himself. And it's like. Like he acknowledges, at least in this private moment, because he could never do it publicly because he would feel like that makes him lesser than that. He could realize that he's up. And if you. If you stay calm the entire time. Let's go. Look, I'm. I'm not going to argue. I'm not going to scream. I'm not Going to yell, like, get as mad as you want, the whole thing, but, like, this is my wife, this is my family, and you need to respect those boundaries. And it just sucks. It sucks that, you know, what most of us would want to do to a guy that was doing it. I mean, I'd be furious about this. Absolutely furious. But, you know, it's one thing to be mad at somebody, then it's also something to also, you know, then get your ass kicked. Yeah.
- [111:22]
D
In front of your kids.
- [111:23]
A
Right.
- [111:24]
B
I think that's good advice. Go the Klay Thompson route. You know, we just saw the Klay Thompson quote with Ja, and it was the most. And I think you're going to hit on this on the Wednesday pot, so we won't have to get too much.
- [111:33]
A
No, go for the most.
- [111:35]
B
It was the most disrespectful while also, like, being chill thing I've ever. And it's why Klay Thompson is the single. But my. Probably my favorite athlete of the last however many years.
- [111:44]
A
He's just the best.
- [111:44]
B
His personality seems.
- [111:45]
A
I love Clay.
- [111:46]
B
Love Clay.
- [111:46]
C
That's great.
- [111:47]
B
But, like, he. He disrespected, like, the jock thing is insane. What he said was insane.
- [111:51]
A
Like, cool. You're washed. Yeah, of course he's washed.
- [111:53]
B
He's like. He's in his, what, mid to late 30s, he's won four championships. He's one of the best shooters of all time. Like, guys get old. That's what happens.
- [112:00]
C
Happens.
- [112:00]
B
But what Clay had said in response to Jah was maybe the. One of the most disrespectful things I've ever heard in, like, the most calm and just like, chill way possible. And those cut the deepest because, like, if you don't get mad but you really insult someone, like, what's the guy? Is the guy gonna fight you? Like, if you come in aggressive and just. Yeah, yeah, maybe you get into a fight, but if you just, like, calmly disrespect someone, it is, like, sneakily the best way to just put somebody in their place. And I think maybe that's the move here.
- [112:30]
A
It was so. Well, you nailed it. You nailed it. Because it was like, Clay was smart. He knew how to do it. And at this point, jaw like, can this guy make it a week without up.
- [112:45]
D
Cow.
- [112:45]
A
I can't stand him. I cannot stand him.
- [112:52]
B
Leave my guy Clay alone.
- [112:54]
A
All right, what else do we got here? Still got a little time. Still got a little time. Well, this one sounds like it hits close to home. Blind one here. Friends new girlfriend is obsessed with Animals.
- [113:09]
B
All right, we got a guy for.
- [113:11]
A
See if we have anyone on the panel. Yeah. How are those rabbits holding up, buddy?
- [113:18]
D
Still kicking.
- [113:20]
A
Nice. Yeah, but they feel like.
- [113:21]
B
Not in the bedroom though.
- [113:22]
A
It's a climate.
- [113:25]
B
Anymore.
- [113:26]
D
No dude, no garage.
- [113:30]
A
We'll see. This movie has been everything for you.
- [113:34]
D
We'll see, man.
- [113:34]
A
Yeah, we'll see what happens. That's still five of them. I. I didn't. I didn't even realize the rabbits were bedroom anymore.
- [113:46]
D
Oh, yeah, this is.
- [113:48]
A
He's got more space. Yeah, but is wasn't so much resillo as it was the rabbits.
- [113:59]
D
You know I never say that out loud, but yeah.
- [114:03]
A
Love the show. No impressive gym stats. Won a D3 national basketball title 15 years ago. Player comp 511. Matt Bonner. Yeah. Red Rocket, right?
- [114:14]
B
Yeah, Love that.
- [114:17]
A
I'll try to keep this short and sweet. One of my good friends, male, 35, also one said national championship lawyer. Overall, great dude.
- [114:25]
D
Way to stick together.
- [114:26]
A
It's been fun. That must have been a lot of fun. Recently started dating a girl who I went to high school with. Okay, things are off to a good start. They've been on a handful of dates. She's definitely. He's definitely into her, she's great, they get along well and overall seem to be a great match. However, there's one minor problem. She can't stop sending him long videos of her pets each night. She currently has one cat, three dogs in the last week alone. She's texted him 25. Yes, 25 different videos of the pets. Dogs barking, sleeping cat, diabetic drinking out of the bathtub, etc. He likes dogs and isn't opposed to pets, but certainly doesn't need to be grinding animal tape like Marcillo does on the Saturday afternoon. Is this a deal breaker? Is my friend overthinking this? Would love any feedback. Kyle's bunny experience might be helpful. Thanks, guys. Love the show. Yeah, Kyle, take the lead.
- [115:10]
D
You just have to make it known that I'm not going to watch all these things. And you don't have to say it that way.
- [115:14]
A
Just.
- [115:15]
D
You just get the heart. You don't have to respond to what's going on in the video. Maybe there's some sort of AI thing that can give you a rundown of what's going on and you'd be like, oh, you drink it out of the bathtub again. Like maybe. Maybe there's some sort of. I'm just kidding.
- [115:27]
B
Automatic response.
- [115:28]
D
You're not going to do that. Where you'd run it through some sort of thing that watches the video get. Gives you the, you know, sort of like how Google will give you plot points of a meeting now or like an email. But yeah, you just have to be like, we have different passions. You send it a heart or, you know, exclamation point.
- [115:42]
A
It's like, whoa.
- [115:44]
D
I mean, that's. That's fine. But, you know, and if. And if she's like, you didn't watch it, did you?
- [115:49]
A
You're like, no.
- [115:50]
D
You just have to say no, it's okay.
- [115:51]
A
It doesn't mean you didn't watch it, did you? It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything. It's all right.
- [115:56]
D
It's a. This doesn't define our relationship.
- [115:59]
B
I'm not trying to get too deep into this, Kyle.
- [116:01]
A
Did.
- [116:01]
B
Did. Did you purchase the rabbits after you met your wife?
- [116:06]
D
One single, by the way. One single one.
- [116:08]
B
We didn't.
- [116:08]
A
We didn't buy a bunch.
- [116:10]
B
Do you. Well, did you acquire the rat? Like, how many rabbits did you have? How much. How many rabbits did you have? Or did she have? I guess, pre.
- [116:17]
C
You.
- [116:17]
B
And then how many did you acquire when you guys were together? Like, did you have one?
- [116:22]
D
We had zero before, and then there was one that was already pregnant and no one told us about and then multiplied.
- [116:29]
A
So. Okay, so you just.
- [116:31]
D
You stumbled upon the signed up for one. Totally seemed like it was doable.
- [116:35]
A
So.
- [116:35]
B
And then. Yeah, okay, all right, that's fair.
- [116:37]
D
And then lucky the Irish, you know.
- [116:41]
B
Because I do feel like this is a deal breaker. And if it is a deal breaker for you, that's okay. Like, some people just don't want to do this. And that's if, like, you know, all.
- [116:49]
D
He'S saying is he's getting videos.
- [116:50]
A
Like, there's no.
- [116:51]
B
Yeah, but with the long term play, you're living with three cats. Cats and three dogs. Like, if that's not something you want to do or that you're interested in being a part of, like, that can be a deal breaker. It doesn't make you an. Like, some people just don't want that.
- [117:02]
A
As part of their life.
- [117:03]
D
Consider how old these animals are. It's like, now that we're together, maybe.
- [117:05]
B
Now listen, if she's. She's got that many right now, there's a chance that, like, this isn't the last. She's like, all right, well, when they all die, I'm not gonna have any more animals.
- [117:12]
D
Well, no, but then it becomes a conversation with you. Then it becomes.
- [117:15]
C
Then.
- [117:15]
D
Now you have some input. If you guys are going to Cohabitate eventually. Like, I feel like this is all sort of brand new. I don't think it's a deal breaker. I think, I think just decide to stop engaging with the ones you want to stop engaging with as.
- [117:25]
A
As you're.
- [117:26]
D
I'm talking about your buddy here.
- [117:27]
A
See what happens.
- [117:28]
D
It's like the stakes are low enough that, you know, this isn't like, you don't care about me, do you?
- [117:33]
A
You know, it's.
- [117:34]
D
It's okay.
- [117:35]
A
It's.
- [117:35]
D
It's. You have to understand, like, hey, you're a better person than me. There you go. You care about this way more than I do.
- [117:41]
A
It's okay. Could be a reason to get married to her. Because you have to think like, hey, I don't need the footage anymore. I'm living it. I'm in the building.
- [117:50]
B
That might be worse. I'd rather get text updates than have six, six pets.
- [117:56]
D
Hey, would you mind grabbing that 40 pound bag on your way home?
- [118:03]
A
This is really simple. Is everything else awesome?
- [118:05]
D
Right?
- [118:06]
A
Because I think this is an easy, easy price to pay if everything else is awesome. 35, whatever. I mean, look, if she's 35, she's the same age. The guy said high school. Look, if you're in the north. Well, if she's in the south and 35, she's already divorced. She's in the Northeast and 35 and hasn't been married yet. Like, you know, I don't think it's.
- [118:26]
D
A bad quality in a person at all.
- [118:28]
A
She's thinking about the cat path. And I'm not saying there's anything, you know me, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but I'm just telling you, like, you meet somebody in their late 20s that hasn't been married, okay? You meet somebody who's 35 and hasn't been married and wants to be married and wants to have kids and all that stuff. Like, this is the best version of her losing her just animal footage. Do you want to run through some of the other scenarios I've experienced? This is fucking nothing. So, you know, take that into account. She's 35, you know, again, I don't know if we get a location on this. I won't give it out. Don't worry.
- [119:01]
B
But, like, this is a deal breaker for you, Ryan. Like, there's no way you're going along with this.
- [119:06]
D
I don't think you. I don't think it's a deal breaker. I don't.
- [119:08]
B
I think it's definitely a deal break record for Ryan.
- [119:11]
A
But I'm aware of what I do that I don't think would be considered sweet, you know. Okay.
- [119:19]
B
No pads.
- [119:20]
A
Hearing at one point. Yeah. Like a couple years ago. Be like, you just go wherever you want, whenever you want. Yeah. And you can, too.
- [119:30]
B
It's pretty sick.
- [119:31]
D
What do you mean?
- [119:32]
A
What do you mean?
- [119:32]
D
Wednesday night dinner doesn't work with my mom. She's only in town.
- [119:35]
A
It's like, got a show I don't want.
- [119:37]
D
It's Wednesday, NBA.
- [119:38]
A
I wouldn't do that. I would, you know, I wouldn't do that. There was. If it was very serious and there was a important person in another person's life. Like, hey, can you. I'm not going to do the Hornets joke then. Even though Kipple. Maybe this year.
- [119:51]
C
I don't know.
- [119:52]
A
Previous year.
- [119:52]
D
Saturdays are tough, though.
- [119:54]
A
Saturdays are tough, but I mean, just kind of like the. In the. I'm very laissez faire with this, you know, like early 1900s. Government, business and interests. You know, just leave us alone. And as I've read through 1929, like, that might not have been the best plan, but. Yeah, I, I don't. I would. It's. This isn't. I'm not telling you. Like, hey, this is awesome. This would be something. But if everything else is really good, I could probably put up with some cat videos. Yeah.
- [120:22]
D
And then maybe you're just. Maybe you're not a guy who texts back everything all the time too.
- [120:27]
A
Like, that. That might just be a part of.
- [120:29]
D
That just might be a. A, A part of who you are. It's like, I don't. If you want to send me all this stuff, I will get to it. Some of it I won't even acknowledge if it's these videos, but, like, if it's like, if he feels like it's running his day, then he has to dial down the response time.
- [120:41]
B
That's all. But you. You guys aren't concerned at all with the long term. Like, even shortish term of, like, those are going to be your. Like, you're going to be around these animals a good amount. So if you're not saying he doesn't.
- [120:50]
D
Like the animals, he just says, it's.
- [120:51]
A
Like, I think it's getting footage. It's the footage. It's like, you know, she thinks it's not even the footage.
- [120:57]
B
The footage is going to turn into a hang real quick, though. So I, I like, our guy's probably.
- [121:02]
A
Running out of responses and now he's thinking, like, what if he's not a Creative person, right? He's like, I can only say haha so many fucking times. Or like, omg, lolz heart emoji. Yeah. He's like, I got 25 a week that I got to respond to and be creative. And like, I can't believe you did that, you know? Oh my God, again, like, I sent a ha to somebody once and they were like, 1 ha.
- [121:25]
B
1 ha is a little disrespectful.
- [121:27]
D
I've gotten one from him too.
- [121:28]
B
Yeah. 1 ha.
- [121:29]
D
I thought I sent him like a banger thing and he was just like, ha.
- [121:32]
A
Like, yeah, all right. That's what. I don't know what to say.
- [121:35]
D
Get back to the lab, Kyle.
- [121:40]
A
I did start doing HAAS the last couple years because I was like this. Now I get why people do it. It's just way easier out.
- [121:45]
D
Well, you certainly. You certainly get the upper hand in the exchange because I'm like, what does that mean? Is that good? Huh? Bad?
- [121:51]
A
Huh?
- [121:51]
D
I don't know. Now I'm freaking out. Now I'm a loser.
- [121:53]
A
So anyway, HAAS is a power play. Do you. We all seem to kind of, like, disagree in a different way on this one because you're just staring at me, being like, there's no way that I would like this. And I'm just offering up that in the. The pyramid of. Of things that would suck in a relationship, like, I think this is still one that you can handle.
- [122:15]
D
Yeah. I'm saying I'm doing it. I'm living it.
- [122:17]
C
I just.
- [122:19]
B
Yeah.
- [122:19]
D
You know, now. Now I ignore it so much that.
- [122:21]
A
When people give Cathy, when I give.
- [122:23]
D
A reaction, it's like, whoa.
- [122:24]
A
You know, the thing.
- [122:26]
B
The thing that maybe Kyle's on the.
- [122:28]
A
Final boss of this. This is like a hidden level of Zelda.
- [122:32]
B
So it's been there.
- [122:32]
A
Yeah.
- [122:34]
B
The thing. This could be like an early relationship thing too, where she just is like, wants to send you stuff and she's just as sending you this for now. And it could actually die down once again, like, if you just start hanging out more. But again, you're going to be hanging out with the pets a lot. So that, like, is that something you want to do? That's my question.
- [122:46]
A
Or maybe the pets are replacing the fact that she feels lonely, wants some companionship. You move into the house, footage is cut down. Maybe, you know, you don't have to. It's not. It's not a minimum roster of four pets. You know, it could be. Could be like, hey, you know, we get some room under the cap for a kid.
- [123:00]
D
Maybe got some expiring contracts too.
- [123:02]
A
Yeah, yeah. Move three dogs in a first for a kid. Yeah, it's a tough trade. Nice, dude. You know I get the best years out of these dogs. Some people like to say that it's appreciating asset. Oh, man. Best years. All right, that'll do it for the show today. I can't wait to get back to the States. Can't wait. Like it over here? Do like it over here, but whatever. I can't. The schedule's brutal. I slept like the first three days. You know what we all do with the travel pod. So check out the travel pod. Ryan Rosillo. That's my name. Marillo. On the road, London. Thanks to Kyle and Ceruti. Check out our YouTube page. Subscribe. Please subscribe. Continue. We appreciate it so much. Keep subscribing to the podcast as we start to build it back up. Brian Brazilo show part of the Barcelona. It.