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The Ryen Russillo Show
Super Bowl Pick & NFL Season Awards, Plus Coaching and QB Futures w/ Albert Breer
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Ryan Rosillo
Hey barstool listeners. You can find every episode of the Ryan Roso show on Apple podcast, Spotify or YouTube Prime. Members can listen ad free on Amazon Music. The Ryan Rosillo show is presented by DraftKings. On today's show, I'm going to get through the best wins, worst losses of the entire season. Misleading wins. Also, a thought on numbers and my MVP vote. We have Albert Breer who has an MVP vote. I don't know if he's going to tell us his but the turnaround for Jacksonville, the big decisions in Denver. I also want to do a ton of off season stuff with him. So we're going to get to some of the coaching carousel stuff that has already happened last night and into this morning and then the QB replacement list. Heavy on the afc. We've got life advice for you. Have a great Monday. Every week in the NBA, stars rise, legends are made and one player rules them all. DraftKings sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA is bringing back King of the Court. And now it's every Tuesday of the season. Here's how it works. DraftKings is putting up $1 million in bonus bets each week. Opt in, apply your token and place a $5 pregame bet on the NBA star you think will dominate each Tuesday. If your pick finishes the night leading the league in points, rebounds and assists, the they're crowned King of the Court and you win your share of $1 million in bonus bets. And this season, there's a new way to track the action. The King of the Court leaderboard Inside the app before tip off, see the top 10 stars in PRA. While games are live, watch your pick, climb the ranks and when it's over, find out exactly where your star stacked up and if you've been crowned a winner, download the DraftKings sportsbook app and use the Code Ryan. That's Code Ryan Rye and to win a share of $1 million in bonus bets. If your player is King of the court and in partnership with DraftKings, the Crown is yours. Gambling problem.
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Ryan Rosillo
In non withdrawable bonus bets that expire in seven days. Restrictions apply terms@sportsbook.draftkings.com promos Five things before the interview with Brear today so we have the brackets set. My super bowl pick is LA over Houston. I was going to go with Jacksonville. Then the brackets come out and I've told myself throughout this, even though I don't know, over a month ago you're looking at how it's all playing out and now with Lamar being eliminated, even though, you know, last night's game was just so wild and I think all of us would agree that there's just parts of Lamar that even with the comeback, even the two big shots against Zay Flowers, he's just not, if he's not healthy, he's just not the same. He hasn't been the same this season. I don't think there's any debate on that. So the whole point of this is like, okay, well Burrow's out of the field because Cincinnati wasn't good. We know Mahomes is gone, Lamar's gone. This is setting up for Allen to get through all of this. And then I was like, don't fall for it. Don't fall for it if you're falling for it. I actually, I don't even think I should frame it that way. If you're like, look, I'm looking at the field and I'm just going to trust Allen more than everybody else to get out of the afc, go ahead. I just think it's a lot task of that roster for Allen to carry them even though he's probably on the very short list of guys that could do it. So I was going to pick Jacksonville so I'm kind of allowing myself to believe in Allen for one game. And when the lines came out last night, Buffalo's favor by point half at Jacksonville. So I thought that was a little alarming. So I'm going to go with Houston, their defense, the run that they've been on and that's my super bowl pick. We'll ask Brear, his as well. On the other side of it with the nfc, the Rams are going to get Carolina in the rematch, a game they lost at their place, remember the big turnover, the fourth down conversions. So there was a lot baked into this because basically I think all of us look at these games and go, okay, well if it's clean, if it's not my team that I'm picking, that's minus two short fields, turnovers, and then there's your extra 10 points. You know, if it's a clean matchup between teams, like, I don't know anybody, they'd be picking Carolina. Certainly with the 10 points, that'd be something else. So I think Carolina will win the rematch. They're going to win that game in Carolina, and then I think they'll win the rematch against Seattle despite Seattle getting the number one overall seed. And I told you, if Carolina got into the playoffs, and we're going to touch on this a little bit more, but the talking points about who Carolina is and how they've turned this around. There was. Even when I watched Carolina's loss against Tampa on Saturday, like all of you did, there was a. There was like, breakdown of that game. And one analyst actually said, bryce Young did everything you could ask of him. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me. The way we use the result to analyze the quarterback's performance, it's. It's just. We can't help ourselves. They're one to eight on third down. I think he could have done a little bit more. So that's where I'm at with that. So the other part of Rams against Seattle in that matchup is that that game in Seattle where they blow it on a Thursday nighter, I cannot unsee the Rams offense putting up 581 yards of total offense against this incredible defense from the Seahawks. That's 300 yards more in that game than Seattle allows on average throughout the entire season. So we'll pivot that into the best one of the season, because the best win of the season is actually also the worst loss of the season. And it's Seattle against the Rams. There's some other ones that I would throw in the mix. If you're going the entire season, I've probably left out maybe a couple that you really like. Buffalo's win against Baltimore, Week one's probably the most fun win of the entire year. That ridiculous comeback. Clearly what we thought of Baltimore at that time and just Buffalo finding a way in a game where it looked like defensively they were helpless. Remember, Collinsworth was like talking about the mesh point stuff with Lamar and Derrick Henry, and he was almost to the point of like, I don't know what you're. Well, he said it. He's like, I don't know what you're supposed to do, but it was almost like this just defeated premise of like, how are you going to stop this when these two guys are cooking like Good luck NFL. And then the Bills come back and win it. So I think that one was the most fun. Other best win nominees San Francisco's overtime win against the Rams in Week five. With all their injuries and just a night game, everyone's hyped up. John lynch is on the sideline with the number of guys that were out for the Niners in that game and because of the division and really what it meant throughout the entire year as you were sorting through the NFC north, that win in itself was a huge one. Denver's win at Philadelphia, Super bowl champs. 18 Nothing in the fourth quarter probably spoke to some of the Eagles issues that all of us have with that team offensively. Week seven, the Rams Jags. Because I was tempted to go Rams Jags, super bowl match up here. That was a 357 game in Week 7. Houston's comeback win against Jacksonville to close that game. 26. Nothing to go from three and five to nine straight wins the rest of the season. But yeah, I think, I still think it's Seattle. Considering Seattle getting the number one overall seed in the nfc, what it meant for the division to be able to come back. All the spots where I'm like, they're down what, 30 to 14. Like they get the punt return. Okay, does this mean the Rams foot up, soft the gas a little bit, they get the next touchdown, they get the two point conversion that nobody understood. And then it was all those possessions where I'm like, okay, fine, this is going to be really interesting. And a blown comeback where the Rams are going to get the field goal and this thing's going to be over. And that's not what happened. Darnold continued to have some of those turnover issues and it was just like, okay, well when this thing actually gets really tight, he's not going to be able to close this thing out. And they did. And now they're the number one seed in the nfc and that defense is incredible and they were just dominant against a, a Niners game where, I mean, look, the magnitude of what that game meant and how dominant they were in it. If a lot of people are picking Seattle today with the home field, I would not blame you. I think the Rams are going to get that one. All right, so that's also the worst loss for everything that I just said. I wanted to throw this one in there. Most misleading wins. I'm going to reference a January 27th to what, 2024 NBA game when the Clippers beat Boston. 11596 in Boston, I was like blown away. How good the Clippers looked. And this was during a 25 and 5 stretch for the Clippers. They closed the season 17 and 16. The Clippers were so good in that game. I think I did like a full segment on it, full breakout videos, the whole deal. I'm like, this was nasty. Like, putting the rest of the league on notice. Like, this is what this team was supposed to be with these big wings and Kawhi cooking and what they could do defensively. I'm like, they went into Boston and they killed them and then they got hurt and it didn't matter. And do you remember what happened to the Clippers? 20, 24? Probably not. So that was a very misleading win. I think it's one of the most misleading regular season wins I've ever seen in the NBA, considering what it was, how important it was, who they beat, the eventual champs at their place. I actually think too, it was one of those deals where it was, you know, whenever you point out to, like, a team winning in the NBA, it's like, wow, you know, got got into 3:00am you know, fourth and fifth would be five days. Like, as if no one's ever won with bad travel scenarios. I think that was a pretty clean. I'll have to look it up again. But I think I remember that being like one of those games where you couldn't even argue that. So the NFL had a few of them. Green Bay's Week one against Detroit. Yeah, like, look at this defense. Look at the personnel. Jordan Love. Here we go. And then Green Bay lost to Cleveland 1310. Two weeks later, I'm going to have Detroit in another one, which means Baltimore's in another one. Week three, Detroit, Monday Night Football to come back against Baltimore. That was awesome. I'm like, detroit is nasty. Look at all of these guys. Instead, they ended up ninth in the nfc. I had said at one point, not that long ago that I thought Detroit would win the afc. Probably not. I still like that team, but it wasn't a very good year. They're ninth in the conference, and that looked like an incredible win. I'm just going to throw this one in there because I enjoyed all the quarterback breakdown and stuff. Remember nine, getting it done in the fourth quarter in Chicago. Minnesota's comeback against the Bears. Like, you know, when it matters, there's something about this guy, something about him. J.J. mcCarthy. Look at him. Look at him. Look at him at the sidelines. I have no idea if he's going to be any good or not. I think he deserves another chance next season. To be the starter. Figure it out. We spent the first round pick on him and he was a little bit better to close the season right after some disastrous accuracy issues throughout other games, had the injuries, multiple injuries this season. But that was a game where it was like, oh, this guy's got a fire in him. I'll also add in any Kansas City win where it felt like they were riding the ship. Week four Baltimore, again, another example here, and it probably speaks to a little bit more of how we were hanging on to who Baltimore was throughout the Detroit win. Throughout this Kansas City win, they housed Baltimore at home. 37, 20. I'm like, Kansas City's going to be fine. The Chiefs close the season one and eight and they're out of the playoffs for the first time since 2014. What was your favorite contract incentive that you were rooting for this past weekend? Who fucking cares? The NFL media love that topic. Ramping up incentive. Were you sitting around? Do you know anyone that was sitting there keeping track of incentives? Maybe it was because it was a week slate, other than what you had on Saturday, which were two really important games. You had the Atlanta, New Orleans result yesterday that mattered a little bit. And there was some seating stuff, Eagles not playing guys, Rams playing their guys. And then of course, last night with Pittsburgh finding a way loop, my guy, one of my favorite kickers I've ever evaluated, missing the field goal last night for Baltimore. But there just wasn't a lot of meat on the bone for week 18. So I don't know if there was some kind of push to be like, hey, maybe there's some incentive stuff here. At least we had the Miles Garrett sack record. And it also got me to thinking, like, did you care? Like, did you have multiple screens up or did you change a channel? Was there anything about you? Because, you know, the Strahan thing, I think all of us cared and I think there's a bigger topic here. But what do you actually care about anymore at the end of the season? Like, do you. Will you remember the Garrett Sack? Will you have that off the top of your head the way we always did when we were younger, you know, did you care that Jonathan Taylor's trying to catch Cook in the rushing title? I think there's local stuff. Like, if I were a Bills fan, I'd be. Especially if I were really young, I'd probably care about some of that stuff. But I don't know that anybody ever talks about it anymore, if anybody can ever care. Or maybe it's just like you go from a Certain point in life where you're memorizing this stuff, and then you care about mortgage payments and blood test results as you get older, which feels a little bit more important. But Jamar Chase won the wide receiver triple crown, third time since it's happened, what, since the mid-90s? Cooper Cup? Had it not that long ago as well. That's a really cool thing. It was to be something that, just as a football fan, I think a lot of us should all be kind of rooting for and be like, oh, I wonder if this guy's going to get the Triple Crown. Or maybe we do care in the moment and we just move so, so fast now that it's just like, oh, I forgot I even cared about. I forgot that that result even happened. And I think this is pretty normal now. I don't know if anybody cares about the scoring title in the NBA the way we did when we were younger. And do you know who has the rebounding title? I'll tell you right now, I don't know who's leading the NBA and rebounds. I didn't look it up today. I think Cal having 60 home runs for Seattle should be a big deal. It was probably a huge deal of Mariners fans in the MVP race with Judge. You know, Judge having 62 a couple years ago. I mean, 60 home runs has only been done, what, nine times, 10 times in MLB history. Now, baseball's problem with it is we understand, like, all the numbers became devalued overnight. Although I would tell you, you know, it's weird. We celebrate quarterbacks that can play really late. We celebrate NBA players playing into their 40s. If that were baseball, it'd be congressional hearings. Or maybe there wouldn't be, because congressional hearings have other topics now, and they wouldn't be talking about baseball. But there's a numbers apathy. There's. There's just not anything to it anymore in the way. I wouldn't even say it's about being a kid. I would say, younger, my career. You were like, oh, this guy could have the touchdown lead. Like, this running back could get to Danny, and Tomlinson could have this many touchdowns. And it felt like something you actually cared and could even reference later on. And I don't. I would ask you, do your kids keep track of this stuff the way we did when we were kids? And I'm not even saying it's, like, necessarily wrong. It's just an observation. You know, maybe we were simpler. Maybe we were stupid. Let's talk about losers. Tennessee has gone 57 games without back to back wins. That is the active leader for a franchise right now in the NFL. The giants are second at 37 games. So think about that. 57 games without back to back wins. The jets. Here's two stats for you. They finished the season without an interception. As a team. 0. Second lowest is 6. San Francisco and Tennessee. Another jets number that I love. Garrett Wilson's their leading receiver for the season. He held on. He got the belt. 395 yards receiving the last time he had a catch. October 12th. How about the Giants not tanking? The Giants the last two years were sitting at 2 and 13 with two games to go. They went 2 and oh this year and 1 and 1 last year. They cost themselves the number one overall pick last season, moving first to third. And with this hot finish to the season for The Giants going 2 and 0, they went from the inside track at the number one overall pick to the fifth pick. My final thought, Drake May is my MVP. I battled with it. I don't have a vote, so don't worry about it. I battled with it because of the schedule. So if you go through a lot of the stuff and you're like, you know what? That Rams defense actually doesn't hold up as well. There's some nice closing numbers for this Patriots defense. It's also arguably the easiest schedule a team has had in the NFL in a quarter century. The opposing winning percentage is under.400. Is it 390? It's the only team in the NFL that played a collective schedule below.400. The Rams. Of all the playoffs teams. Of all the playoffs teams. Depending because there's some strength of schedule stuff that you can look at. They basically have had the toughest schedule of anyone. The numbers favor May. But when I really think about like the core argument of, of the mvp. Right. What it's supposed to be, and I know this can move a little bit. People, you know, get upset that sometimes it's not like people. It just depends on the season and what you're comparing. Like, all right, I actually think with this because I, I would not. If you vote for Stafford, totally understand it. It's a good vote. But thinking about May and having like a damn near perfect season and what he means to this Pat's franchise and who they are and this kind of turnaround, if you're taking May off of this team versus taking Stafford off the Rams, that would be my closing argument and ultimately why I would land on May as the MVP for 25. The Big Shack is out now and it's a serious burger. We're talking two Angus beef patties, three buns, new secret sauce. It's stacked, balanced, and built the right way. You get everything you expect from Shake Shack. Fresh ingredients, that toasted potato, bunch of and sauce that pulls the whole thing together. It's big, it's fresh, and it's legit. One of their best burgers yet. I know that I've talked about the sense of community on this podcast a lot. 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Albert breer joins us si.com the MMQB podcast as well out multiple episodes. And you can read his stuff on SI this morning. Good to see you, man.
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Albert Breer
Hey, what's up, Ryan?
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Ryan Rosillo
Let's. Let's start with this. I wanted to pick Jacksonville to win the afc and I still, I mean, I'm sure I could change my mind, but like to come out and announce it on the podcast. So I went Rams over Houston in the super bowl, probably just because of the seating in the first way. It worked out where I was like, maybe Buffalo gets one. I don't know if they get through the whole thing. Do you already have picks? Because I wanted to go there before we get to the offseason stuff.
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Albert Breer
I don't, but I have to get those in tomorrow, I think.
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Ryan Rosillo
And so where are you leaning? Let's do that.
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Albert Breer
I still think the brand, the Rams have a gear that no one else has. You know, like, I still think the Rams when. When they're really on it and when Stafford's really on it and when they're running the ball the way I Think we know they're capable of running the ball with Kyron Williams and Blake Corum and when that defensive front is really going in at full speed. I like, I just, I don't know that there is a team in football that can beat them when they're at their very best. You know, like just hasn't been as consistent this year, which is why they finished third in their division. And I, I had the Bills before the season. I had the Bills in mid season and I am never right about these things. So maybe in the interest of being right, I might stick with Rams Bills just because, I mean, why not at this point? But I'm with you. I think Houston, the AFC is so flat and so it's just like, would anybody be surprised if three wild cards came out of the first round if Buffalo, the Chargers and the Texans won in the first round? Would anybody be shocked by that?
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Ryan Rosillo
No, I, I don't. You know, I, I think it's very even. I, to your point, I could probably, I wouldn't be like outraged by any pick. Like if somebody said Carolina out of the nsc, I'd just be like, what are you doing? You know. Yeah, you're just, you're just trying to be different. Even the Bears, like, I think the Bears are built on turnovers. I think, I think this is like there's some good.
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Albert Breer
Surprise me a little bit.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I mean Pittsburgh would sure. If we really want to get to it. Because I just don't think Pittsburgh was very good this year. Even though, I mean now we're talking about the two divisions. Nfc, AFC south or the nfc. The NFC south, the AFC north, the automatic qualifiers. Yeah, because like I was reading your piece this morning and I'll just kind of jump to it, but I already knew this was going to happen. But I was like, if Carolina gets in and they lose to Tampa, they can't move the ball. We can talk about, you know, the weather and everything, but they can't move the ball all day long. They get the late touchdown and ends up being a two point game. And then they get in because of the Atlanta result against New Orleans. I don't think Carolina should necessarily. Maybe Carolina has a better argument to feel better about themselves today than Pittsburgh does. I don't think Pittsburgh should feel good good about themselves and where the franchise is. So maybe Rogers for a moment putting together scoring drives that I didn't expect was going to happen based on how the first half went. So you know, it sounds, it's almost like me sounding like a Dick going, hey, feel worse about yourself even though you're in the playoffs. But I do think this is where mistakes can be made by a franchise by, like, going, I know you made the playoffs, but do you actually feel good about where the team is? Because I think Carolina is and Pittsburgh both would have massive questions this offseason, even if they want a playoff game.
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Albert Breer
Yeah, I would agree. I mean, I think the, the, the Steelers, it's sort of. It just, it's felt all year like it's being held together by duct tape. And, you know, the weird things at the end of the year with, you know, you know, T.J. watts freak injury and D.K. metcalf's incident with the fan, and, you know, you look at, like, the age of the roster and it's. I mean, the one thing about it is, like, you know, the very least, everybody's going to operate with a lot of urgency, but there are some old players in the team that they've relied on. Ramsey, you know, Hayward. It's just, you look through the roster and it's like, how are they going to string wins together in the playoffs? Now, Rodgers made some throws that were off the charts, but I think, you know, you're looking at, like, a very serious reset coming. And, you know, that's where the question on Tomlin's future comes in. Carolina, I, I think they had a really nice off season last year, right? Ted McMillan surprised a lot of people. They surprised people taking him eighth overall. He, I think, you know, would be my offensive rookie of the year. I got to look at all that again. But I think he would be my, like, he'd be right there at least. And they were so reliant on him in that game, you know, to make big plays for them. And they, they hit on free agents like Rico Dowdle. So can they repeat it? And do they really have a quarterback? Like, they've got a decision coming on Bryce Young whether or not to pick up their fifth year option. They have this big breakthrough year. They may decline that option, you know, like, based on what they've seen this year. So, like, I don't know that you can look at Carolina the way that, like, you would look at, like, a Chicago or a New England or even a Washington, despite the down year where it's like, yeah, you got your quarterback, you're starting to have your core. Like, it looks like you're going to be good for the foreseeable future. Carolina still has work to do, and I think the guys there would tell.
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Ryan Rosillo
You that, okay, let's do the positive of this. How did Jacksonville do this?
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Albert Breer
It's incredible. I would say, you know, like, they, they did a really good job of continuing to develop guys who the previous regime left behind, who they inherited. And I think it takes some humility to come into a new place that hasn't won much in Jacksonville and recognize that there is something to work with here. So Travis Etienne has a career year. Trevor Lawrence has pulled his career back up off the mat. Devin Lloyd has a career year. Josh Hines Allen has been excellent. Trayvon Walker has played well. And so you have all these guys that were high draft picks there, and then you start to nail some of your free agent signings, right? Like what they were able to do on the offensive line. You know, I, I just like, look all the way around, and it's just, I think you have to give Tony Bacilli and James Gladstone and Liam Cohen credit for doing a good job of assessing what was on the roster, who they had to move out, who they had to bring in, and continuing to develop the young talent that was already there, which I didn't think there was a ton to work with, to be honest with you. Going into, going into the hiring cycle last year like this felt like a little bit of a rebuild. But, you know, they, they, they've done a really nice job taking the guys that were on hand, and they've done it like, in a division. That, that division's been a layup the last couple of years for the Texans to win it. But, you know, this year the Colts were a wagon for the first 2/3 of the season. Now, you know, what's happened since was. What's happened since. And then the Texans have been incredible since September. You know, like, they started owing three there. I, I believe the, the record's 12 and two since. So. Is that math right? That. Is that math right? Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
They closed at nine straight wins. They were three and five. So.
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Albert Breer
So my math is all off this. I mean, I was just making sure it added up to 17 games, Ryan. But I think you got to give the Jags a lot of credit for assessing what they had on hand and then just getting the most out of those guys. And I think it's a huge credit to them, the amount of guys that have had career years there. It's really incredible.
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Ryan Rosillo
Denver, they take the dead cap hit of Russell Wilson. 85 million of dead cap money. So 53 million last year, 32 million last this year. So 53 and then 32. I think this is one. It's okay, you get the free quarterback and Bo Nicks. Right. It's also worth bringing this up, which I think needs to be brought up all the time. I mean, the salary cap in the NFL was 182 and a half million dollars in 2021, in 2026 is going to be 304 million. It's gone up 25, 23, 25, 30, 16 million. I mean, the cap just goes up by such a huge spike. Should we all stop caring about dead cap money hits?
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Albert Breer
There's a lot more flexibility to work through that than there used to be. And you know, it's going to like, definitely affect some quarterback decision making this offseason with guys like TUA and Miami and Kyler in Arizona. But I do think it still narrows the path. Like, I think, you know, like, they, the Broncos had to get a lot more right, and their margin for error was cut way down working around what they were working around. And it's not just the money, you know, it's. It's also the fact that you didn't have first round picks for two years, you know, and so to come out of those drafts, I'm looking at it now, you know, to have a Nick Bonito in 22 when you didn't have a first round pick, to have a Riley Moss in 2023 when you didn't have a first Round pick, you know, they just done a, they've just hit on a lot of picks outside of the first round and turn those guys into, into really serviceable players for them. And then they've gotten free agents right, too, you know, like guys like Mike McGlinchey and Ben Powers, like, they've taken like an offensive line that was a weakness, turned it into a strength. They've, you know, built what I think is probably the best defensive football outside of Houston. It's just like you didn't have the wherewithal to go and do things like get Bo Nix, like a real number one receiver. Right? Like, so you had to make it work with Cortland Sutton and you had to draft Marvin Mims and you had to make those things work. I, I think it's really impressive from that standpoint that, you know, all of the capital that you had, you, you, you essentially, you essentially take the capital that you have to get cheap talent in your roster by eliminating first round picks the first few years, you take that out of the equation and then some of the money that you would have to make up for that is gone. Because of the dead money on Wilson's contract. So you've kind of had to bite the bullet both ways, and they've certainly made it work. It's not just one of the most well coached teams in football, it's one of the best rosters in football too.
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Ryan Rosillo
You had a note in your piece this morning. They had Knicks with the second best quarterback grade in that class. So he's the sixth of the six guys taken through the 12 picks.
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Ceruti
Yep.
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Ryan Rosillo
I had wondered if Peyton's like, look, I can make it work with anybody. And it's a need thing, which is always a scary proposition when you're drafting a quarterback based on need and there's a bunch of them going in front of you. But they had Knicks as the number two guy in that class. Huh?
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Albert Breer
Behind Jaden Daniels. Yeah, so it's Jaden Daniels, number one, Bo Nicks number two. And you know, I think a lot of it was so they loved his experience, they loved his like, mindset and his makeup. Like they, you know, there's a story that I told, I got ripped for it, but I told this story about how, you know, Sean Payton went there and Eugene went to Eugene and Nick's walked in with a backpack and he like, Peyton asked him to dump out his backpack and like it was like a roll of tape, like a little cross ball to like roll out his back. It was like everything that you would need to, you know, it's playbook. It's like everything you would need or the iPad, everything you would. Everything is like football related in his bag. You know what I mean? Like, he's a true gym rat. I. The other thing that I thought was interesting and I, you know, I like, Sean was really big on this with me. When I, when I've talked to him in the last couple of off seasons is like, he brought up sacks and he said, this guy does not get sacked. And it didn't matter how bad a situation was. This guy doesn't get picked off a lot. Like, this guy avoids negative plays. He plays quarterback. And Sean launched into this whole thing about sacks are a quarterback stat because they involve so many different things. Right. So it's not just your movement in the pocket, your athleticism, it's also how quick you process how quick you get rid of the ball, how, how, how you feel the rush, your instincts for that. It incorporates so many different pieces of playing quarterback. Like, Sean really believes that, that that stat is one that carries over into the pros. And it is going to tell you a lot about a guy's ability to operate a pro offense. And so, you know, between the starts, between that, that feel for the game he had, between his work ethic and his fit for the offense, they really loved him. And I think, you know, Sean would tell you now, like it was with the acknowledgment that this guy isn't going to be a fit for everybody, but he is, he is one for us.
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Ryan Rosillo
So praise for Denver, praise for Jacksonville. We have to at least if we're doing this, get Seattle into the conversation because they have between Iman Worry and Witherspoon, two of my favorite draft picks of the last few years. And it shows up on that defense. And you know, look, if you were putting together like who's had the best two year run, you know, who we can do three year run, maybe I wouldn't know three years well off the top of my head, but the best two year run to move off of Geno, to bring in McDonald, to bring in Darnold, to keep hitting on these picks where there's an identity, it seems like what I loved about those two picks in particular, and there's plenty of guys in the front too, that we like, you know, bringing in some of the vets that Leonard Williams looks like the best he's ever looked, to be honest with you. And he was just such a freak coming out of college that it was like, how come this guy's not just an absolute game wrecker? And now I think, you know, the reason when he was coming out of sc, it's like, okay, well it took a little bit longer with him, but like, there's a nastiness to the Seattle team, which is exactly what you saw with Witherspoon at Illinois, exactly what you saw Nick at South Carolina. I don't know if they were like, hey, we want that, we want the mean guys. But it, it shows up when you watch them play.
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Albert Breer
Yeah, and I think in that way, like, I think they're sort of where they were 15 years ago when Pete had the young team there and there were so many guys that were coming up and getting better over the course of time. And I, you know, you give John Schneider, their gm, a ton of credit for capitalizing on all of the capital that he got in the Russell Wilson trade. And like, you just like look at their draft classes, right? Like, and it's, you know, in 22, they get their two tackles, cross and Lucas, they get Kenneth Walker in that class, they get boya Maffe. In 23, Witherspoon and JSN are their first two picks. Like those are two home runs, like two potential first team all pros. Second round, they get Derek hall and Zach Charbonnet. Last year, they get Byron Murphy, who's a stud. Their first two picks this year, home runs. Zabel, who has been one of the best guards in all football, right out of the box. And then Nikki Minwarri, who's playing the Kyle Hamilton role for Mike McDonald. You know, it's like, I mean, it's just, it's been hit after hit after hit. And then you look at the veteran market, right? Like, who they brought into the veteran market is Leonard Williams, who, you know, again, has played at an all pro level. It's Cooper Cup.
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Ryan Rosillo
I.
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Albert Breer
You know, you just look at like move after move after move. And the way they all fit together. And then Sam Darnold coming in and replacing Geno Smith. You know, it's.
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Ryan Rosillo
And one of the rare kind of like discounted starter, like deals like Darnold, we were all speculating, like, what's that deal look like? And then when it comes through, it's like, whoa, was this an actual, like, realistic, like, hey, your guy's good, but not so good that you know Minnesota's moving on from. So, like, what's the pricing for that? And you could see other quarterbacks with the same setup be like, okay, cool, here's my 55 million a year average annual salary. Here's 150 million. And Garrett, like, his guaranteed money. Was it actually the same as Kirk Cousins? Was it a little bit? I think it's in the ballpark of the same.
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Albert Breer
They could get out after a year with Sam.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, the structure of it.
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Albert Breer
But they could get out after a year. And I. And that. That to me, like, see, that's an interesting nuance that you bring up too, because it's like the Baker Mayfield conundrum, right? Like where the Browns, if they. If it's your own homegrown guy, you almost have to pay top of the market. Like, you see it with Tua, you see it with Kyler. And that was like where the Browns were with Baker, right? So the Baker Browns were sitting there with Baker and so are we going to have to pay him? I don't know what the number was at the time. 45 million. Right. Or would we rather pay Desean Watson? That maybe gives us a better chance to have a top five quarterback. Obviously blew up in their face, but that was their logic. It's like, do you want a quarterback who may be the 10th best quarterback at a number one or number two quarterback rate? And so, I mean, you're right. Like, you look at the reclamation projects, they're coming in significantly lower. Like, Gino, for the years he gave Seattle good years, came in way under the top of the market. Sam Darnold, again, like, he's there in the 30s when the top guys are in the 50s. 50s, you know, Baker's another one. When he resigns in Tampa, he's, you know, he. He's in the 30s, he's not in the 50s. And Daniel Jones, like, now, you would think maybe that's what winds up happening with him, too, you know, so it's. It's a weird thing that, like, if it's your own homegrown guy, you got to pay him, like, 55. But, you know, if you're going and picking somebody up off the scrap heap, you know, then you're going to wind up getting this. This. This pretty massive discount. And so that. That really has worked out for Seattle as well, you know, in swapping out, essentially, Gino for. For DK Metcalf, right, Like, and. And getting, you know, like the, you know, getting. Getting that much younger at quarterback. They've sort of reset their clock there and look like, you know, it's. It's a little bit, to me, like, it's like Alex Smith in Kansas City, right, where Alex Smith gave Kansas City a high level of play. Maybe not elite play, but a high level of play, the position for five years. Stabilize them, they could win with them, and then they just picked their spot on when they saw the right opportunity to go get a young one. It's a. It's a pretty good position to be in if you're not going to be at the very bottom of the league.
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Ryan Rosillo
Let's talk about some of the offseason stuff, because the moves have already happened. Atlanta's staff out. Matt Ryan coming in. Cleveland moves on from Stefanski. You know, let's just start with Atlanta because then Pete Carroll's out as well now with Vegas. This happened just as we were taping, so the Cousins decision, you know, they had to get it right. Like, I was reading your piece where, like, Arthur Smith is there, and it's like, hey, you have plenty of time. Plenty of time. And then it's like, no, you don't. And like, Ritter was. Was not like, that was one of the guys who would play. And you're just like, man, I don't know if this is ever going to work, right? So then Smith's out, and it's like, I thought. I thought we were going to Be patient here. It's pretty clear this regime comes in being like we have to address the quarterback part of it. They give four years, 180 to cousins they can get out of this year, but it's going to cost them, basically. They're going to be, they're going to cost him $100 million. That's going to be $100 million for cousins. Then you take Pennix, which again, I'll just admit as a not the biggest Cousins fan, I just enjoyed it because I thought it was hilarious and I, I liked the idea of Pennix even if I think there's some limitations. And now he's hurt again and the guy who's been hurt basically his entire career going back to college, obviously with all that kind of stuff. What is the Atlanta job right now?
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Albert Breer
So, you know, I'd expect Matt Ryan is going to be there in some capacity, probably in the president of football operations role. Now they still have to go through the Rooney rule and everything else over the course of the next week, but you know, I think they don't have a, they don't have a first round pick. I think the attractiveness of that job really rides on what you think of Michael Penix and whether or not you think Michael Panicks is salvageable as a, as a viable NFL starting quarterback. And he was disappointing this year. They had high hopes for him. And it's not like that roster is devoid of talent. Like they've got a veteran offensive line. Kyle Pitts came on this year. Drake London's probably not a true number one, but he's a good receiver and they have one of the best offensive weapons in the league. And Bijan Robinson. Right. So it's like, I think how, like how you look at that job if you're a coach is, you know, what do I think of Michael Penix? And do I think that Michael Penix can be Matthew Stafford like, you know, Raheem Morris and Zach Robinson and the old staff did. My sense is Matt Ryan is going to be in a role. It's a little bit like Tony Bacelli in Jacksonville. That's a little bit like Chris Spielman in Detroit where his job is going to be to align everything and his job is going to be to make sure that there's an overall overarching organizational philosophy. The general manager I would think might come from somewhere in Matt Ryan's background. Now there's a guy in Chicago, Ian Cunningham, who's the assistant GM who worked under Howie in Philly and came up under Ozzie in Baltimore, who's working for Ryan Poles. Ryan Poles, as I'm sure. I think you probably know this Ryan, but he was one of Matt Ryan's offensive linemen at Boston College, and they were in each other's weddings and all that. So it wouldn't surprise me if you see a guy like Ian Cunningham come in as the general manager. And Ian Cunningham is with Ben Johnson in Chicago. So could mark the. What they're looking for in a head coach. I also think Matt Ryan is going to be marked by his experience playing for Kyle Shanahan and kind of what that did for his career. I mean, I. I think you can look at, like, the amount of guys that were in the building at that time from. From Kyle to Matt LaFleur to Mike McDaniel on the offensive side of the ball, and then what happened there after those guys left. I certainly think that could affect where they go going forward. So it's going to be a little bit more of like an NBA setup, I think, you know, you know, with Matt being the president of football ops, that's sort of what. When they bring the consultants in, you know, that the. What they landed on. But I. The way I see it is Matt Ryan's job now is to make sure everything's aligned the right way. And then, you know, how effective those jobs, how attractive those jobs are. Sort of depends, I think, on what you think of panics.
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Ryan Rosillo
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Albert Breer
Them, homemade classics like chicken and dumplings.
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Ryan Rosillo
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Albert Breer
I think it's just water under the bridge. That was, I think, what gave them some pause over the last two or three weeks where it just sort of felt, I think, to people there like it had run its course. You go through the Deshaun Watson thing together. The whole thing's been taking on water the last couple of years. Now you've got like this rookie class that you feel like you can build around with Carson Schlesinger and Mason Graham and, And. And Harold Fannin and Quinshawn Judkins, right. Like, so you feel like you've got something going forward, got some decisions coming at quarterback, and this sort of becomes the natural decision point. And, you know, I. I think Jimmy Haslam still really likes Kevin Stefanski. I think if you asked Jimmy, he would Tell you that Kevin's going to have success somewhere else, you know, but in Cleveland, it just gotten to the point where it's run. Where. Where. Where it ran its course. And what's interesting now is for the teams that are out there looking, Ryan, it's going to be hard to find somebody who's as good as Kevin. The market's thin, and it's going to take some real skill this year to. To find the right head coach. Like last year, I would have been able to tell you on this date, Ben Johnson and Mike Frable are getting jobs. No question about it, 100% they're getting jobs. Who is that guy this year?
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, I mean, look, it feels like it's Stefanski, whether now it's right.
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Albert Breer
Yeah, yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
But, yeah, I mean, the variable discussion. This is always kind of my John Harbaugh thing is that, you know, like, some of the down years for Baltimore, it was like, hey, is it time to make a change? And Shadi, the owner there, is probably as patient as any owner in professional sports. And I think his approach to everything is like, okay, that's kind of the way I'd want an owner to be. Now. It's kind of this chicken or the egg thing. It's like, yeah, we got to be patient because we had success right away. So that's why we were patient where everybody else feels like. But there seems to be some dismissal of just a. A fundamental understanding, like, hey, do you like the guy? Do you like the guy? And do you think he's a good coach? Right? You do? Well, guess what? I mean, just because you guys had a couple disappointing seasons, you don't have to fire him. You know, you don't have to. And that's like kind of the harbor part of it, where I know, you know, the playoffs haven't worked out, but clearly he's very good. He's a good coach. And unless it's somebody who's around the building all the time where, like, you'll just hear stories like, hey, this was done. Like, there's a few times I've heard about stuff with a coach where the people that hired the coach were like, right, we. We completely screwed up. First time head coach. He has no business being a head coach. And now it's about us understanding, like, can we pull the plug after a year? Do we give him a second year? But we almost already know next year's a lost cause. Which is why I think you're starting to see ownership go like, hey, if it's bad, what must Be done eventually, must be done immediately type of thing. So you're right, like, Vrabel was one where I'm thinking, like, I know there was a power dynamic and all that kind of stuff. It's like, as soon as you get rid of him, everybody else is going to want him, and then you're going to wonder, like, in a couple years, did we. And I don't know if Tennessee's any good or not, you know, moving forward. Granted, they were a terrible team this year, but the. The cycle of it kind of drives me crazy because I'm like, how many owners are getting rid of coaches they actually think are good, but they just feel like they have to do it?
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Albert Breer
It's funny you say that because, like I said. So I had a conversation with one of the jets guys. They interviewed Brable last year, and I don't know if I can swear here, but he said. He said, like, their first reaction walking out the door after Vrabel left, left after his interview was, why the fuck did. Why the fuck did they fire this guy?
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Ryan Rosillo
I couldn't believe it.
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Albert Breer
You know what I mean? So it's like that part of it is like, you know, and I do think that there's that element of it is like, is your organization strong enough to fix it on the fly? You know, like, if it is broken. And I think to some degree in Tennessee, that was broken, right? Like, it just for a few different reasons, things were kind of off the rails. I think Mike would admit this now. Like, there was a divide in that building, but the sea owner's job to fix that, you know, like, you know what you have. Like, there was a point. I was watching the Elway documentary, and you almost forget about this. But there was a point where it was broken with Elway and Denver. What'd they do? They get rid of John Elway? No, they went and fixed it. You know what I mean? Like, so I'm with you on that. I do think too often it does happen where you have, you know, you have these situations where you have these. You have these situations where there's a really good head coach in the building and, you know, people wave the white flag and say, well, it's just not going to work here. Well, are you sure? Or is there something you can do to fix it? Dig it out.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, because you're not sure about the next thing. By the way, the Browns thing, real quick, will the coaches interviewing for that, will they have to go in saying, we can make something out of Shador? How much does Shedeur factor in the preference for who they want to hire.
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Albert Breer
I think he's a massive part of it, to be honest with you. I think it's more. I think you're going to have to have plan at quarterback for sure. Right. Like, so, you know, I, I'd say they view having Shador on a rookie contract as a plus. You know, there's the desean Watson thing too. You have to have a plan for that. You know, they still own $46 million in guaranteed money for this year, so I think 100% you have to be. You have to be, you know, have to have a plan for what you want to do at quarterback going forward. But I don't think Chidor has done enough to make anybody say yes. Like, he has to be part of the equation going forward. He has to be in the mix to start or anything like that. I think maybe it's a plus if you feel like there's something there and you can work with him. But I, I don't think anybody's under the illusion that, like, right now they're working with like, you know, the next coming of, of Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen.
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Ryan Rosillo
So the other note that you had was like, if Steichen and. Steichen and Balor are going to be back with the Colts, that psyche kind of falls in that Stefanski category. That because of this market feeling like it's thin right now and who knows how history's going to look at this off season, musical chairs of coaches, but that Steichen would have had a job. So considering the Jones injury and you could probably get into the sauce trade now and be like, hey, that kind of stings a little bit. But look, they, they ended up losing the starting quarterback. Things were, things were. Felt like there was a bit of a correction on Daniel Jones coming there before the Achilles injury as well. So we'll see what happens market wise there, but no surprise whatsoever. The Colts are just going to be patient and kind of playing into some of the stuff that we're talking about here. If they like the guy and there was real reasons and everybody's fine, let's just see what happens in 26.
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Albert Breer
Yeah, I think, you know, like the culture one that came up maybe two, three weeks ago for the first time is like, hey, something could happen here. And, you know, I think a lot of that was. It's a little bit like Seattle a few years ago when Paul Allen died and like, you know, Jody Allen, his sister, took over and there was just this unease there about like, we don't really know what she's gonna do, and there's no track record here. And so we'll see. Sort of like that with Carly or say, Gordon, who's now the controlling owner. He's one of. One of Jim Ursay's three daughter. You know, there's just that sort of like, okay, like, let's see what she's going to do. Now. I would say this, like, in a. In a market where, you know, like, there is not a ton of great rising young offensive minds, I think Shane Steichen, despite not making the playoffs his first three years there, would have had a shot to get another. Another job right away. Like, wouldn't have even. May not have even had to wait a year or two. You know, he's that well thought of across the league. And so, you know, I think the people in house there knew that. And then the question becomes, okay, like, so then do you fire your general manager? And Chris Ballard's been there for nine years, and I think he knows the score. He's only been to the playoffs twice. He's only won one playoff game since he got there. So that whole, that, that, that. That whole dynamic, it's like, do you have. Do you.
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Ceruti
Do you.
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Albert Breer
Do you hold on to your coach and then have a GM and arranged marriage with him and then as the coach on, on notice, or do you just go forward for the next year with a group that you felt really good about through 10 games and who then had to deal with all the injuries, see where it, where it goes in 20, 26 with it very, very clear that everybody else, everybody is under evaluation. This is just, I think, a cleaner way to do it than, you know, get rid of half of that equation and try to arrange a marriage that maybe would be doomed to fail.
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Ryan Rosillo
The Pete Carroll thing didn't work in Vegas. Gino didn't work there. They brought in Chip Kelly. They paid him a ton of money to be the OC I would say of all the stuff, there is no way. There is no way that I believe the story that Chip didn't know the place that he was calling. That seemed like. When I saw that, I'm like, ooh, this is kind of nasty work.
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Albert Breer
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, I know Chip.
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Ceruti
I don't.
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Albert Breer
I. Yeah, I.
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Ryan Rosillo
There's just no way. There's. As soon as I was like, there's no way that, like, that there may have been, like, a miscommunication on a play, and then the game of telephone, it ends up like, oh, he was. He was, you know, dialing in plays that we didn't even have in the playbook, and he didn't own any of those things. It's like, look, it can have not. You know, it didn't work. There's no way that that's actually what happened consistently. I don't. I just refuse to believe that. It seemed like Carol was frustrated, you know, with Chip, because it was. There was a couple of moments I was like, wow, you know, like, maybe it's getting a little bit older where you go now, you know, our balance, you know, and it's like, okay, so he's. He's kind of calling out the play. Calling here a little bit. Here's the bigger thing, though. So they clean house. It was almost like a babysitter deal here. Like, Pete bring the fire. He's the youngest old guy ever. But is this job, you've got the pick, whatever you think of this quarterback class. But I guess it's like the Brady part of it, because it feels like Brady is both owner and president and all these things. Even if, like, I remember Rossini coming on with this months and months ago, maybe it might even have been last year. She's like, this is his team. Like, he is calling all of the shots. So how does that dynamic play into what kind of job this is?
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Albert Breer
Yeah, I mean, I think most of the people who work there view Brady as their boss, you know, just what it is. And I think, you know, coming out of this, you would hope that, like, the evaluation of everything that went on there reveals how much needs to be cleaned up, you know, and how many different areas of the operation need to be streamlined and aligned. And I use that term with Matt Ryan and the Falcons. Like, you know, I think what they tried to do was like.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like.
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Albert Breer
Like push these puzzle pieces together, you know, and so you bring in Pete Carroll as sort of the program leader, and then you really like Pat Graham, so you bring him back, even though he's from a completely different defensive background than Carroll is. And you bring Chip in and Chips. You know, offensive background is way different than what Pete's worked with in the past. And you just think Pete's going to accept what those two coordinators want to do and not try to, you know, give, you know, have. Have. Have. Have.
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Ryan Rosillo
Have.
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Albert Breer
Have heavy input in what they're doing, and it just didn't work. And I think you're seeing that in different areas of the operation now, too. You know, Alex Guerrero is in an elevated role there, and he's Got a lot of people reporting to him, you know. You know, obviously, John Spytak, I think, is an accomplished evaluator. You know, like, he is somebody now you're going to have to align the head coach with him, and so there's just so much there to clean up. And I still think Brady has a lot to learn, you know, as. As far as, you know, what it takes to be a great football executive. And I'll go back to Elway again. Like, I. I remember, you know, hearing how much John Elway was doing early in his time in Denver to try to catch up on that part of it and. And how, you know, he came in really, like, I don't really know what I'm doing. I may have been a great quarterback. I ran an Arena League team, so I have some experience, but I have a long ways to go to become, you know, a great football executive. And I think, you know, Brady's kind of hit some bumps when it comes to. To that piece of it. So, yeah, I think so much of this is going to be about creating a vision for the franchise and then having people there who fit into that vision and Brady learning the job, you know, and so he's going to be a major part of it going forward. Spy Tech's going to be a major part of it going forward, and they got to find a coach that's going to fit the vision that they're creating. I think that's job number one for them. Because very clearly, last year, you know, it's funny because, you know, in New England, Scott Pioli had that thing like, we're not collecting talent, we're building a team. I think that's sort of. That was sort of the problem last year with the guy that Pulley drafted, Brady. Right. Like, is that it just feels like in a lot of ways, they were just collecting talent. It's like, no, you're actually building a team here, and job number one is going to be finding a way to do that now.
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Ryan Rosillo
Anything on Miami?
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Albert Breer
Yeah, so, like, Miami's got like a. You know, I. They're. They're going to restructure things a bit there. It's going to look like Detroit looks. Going to look like L. A Looks, where you have sort of like the cap analytics operations guy. It's a guy named Brandon Shore, who's been their cap guy forever, is now going to be elevated and report directly to ownership. So Brandon Shore is going to be involved in the GM search. The GM as a result, is going to be more of a pure Scouting guy. Their idea is to have all three of those guys reporting up to ownership, the new gm, the coach and, and Brandon Shore, you know, Steve Ross obviously going to be involved. The team president, Tom Garfinkel, Ross's son in law, Danny Silman is going to be involved. And so you've got those guys involved. And I think the intention right now is to bring back Mike McDaniel as coach. They're doing their season review now. I don't think anything will happen today and I don't think anything's final, but I think the idea is to go forward with Mike. The one caveat there would be, if someone becomes available, they suddenly feel like we need to go get this guy to be our coach. Maybe that could affect things with McDaniel. But, you know, I, I know this like, you know, the, the, the barometer for, for McDaniel for the rest of the year after Chris Greer was fired on Halloween was we can't have him lose the team. And you know, clearly it looked. There were all kinds of rumblings that he had lost the locker room before that. They went five and two in their next seven games after, after that. So they did really well, right?
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Ryan Rosillo
They were, they were like the sneakiest, like, decent team down the stretch.
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Albert Breer
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
You know, so I'm with you. I, I was.
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Albert Breer
And here's the second piece.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like, yeah, I thought it was going to be just, okay, this is going to be disastrous. They're going to clean house, you're going to bring all these different guys in. And then it was like, hey, Miami won again.
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Albert Breer
And here's the second piece of. The second piece of this is. Steve Ross has heard a lot of people say, this guy's going to be great the second time around. And it's like what you were just talking about, you know what I mean? Like where like, it's like, well, wait a minute, if he's going to be great the second time around, why am I firing him? How about we just fix it and create like a second chance for him here, you know? So I think their intention right now is to go Forward with Mike McDaniel, which, you know, could create some opportunity for some of the San Francisco guys. There's a guy named Josh Williams out there to maybe become the next general manager in Miami.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, that pivots really well into this because I put together my quarterback replacement list. I do it every year, probably do it before the season starts. I do it at the end. You know, there's locks and then there's, there's Gray areas. And it doesn't mean that all eight of these teams, even if it can seem like, oh, it feels like eight teams, nine teams are going to change quarterback. It's like you probably do that if you're being a loose of it. I think the crazy part of it is that most of the teams are in the afc. So let's go through it. You know, if you have, obviously you're gonna have better intel than I would, but if you're like, no, I. You know, look, I think they're going to keep him. What do you think happens with Tua?
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Albert Breer
I think Tua is probably gone. I think that's like a water under the bridge situation. I just think they've gone through too much. We've seen how Tua's handled these sorts of things in the past. Which informs you too. Like you remember that grudge he held, you know, with Brian Flores, over the way he was treated there. He's been a little sensitive with these things in the past. So I don't know why you would expect that it would be different after what he went through this year. So my guess is maybe he's somebody's reclamation project next year.
- [59:18]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't even know where to start with the jets, but clearly that quarterback is not on the roster, right? Whoever it is, I think that's a fair.
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Albert Breer
I think that's a fair assumption that the jets quarterback for 2026 is not on the 2025 roster. You know, I, I think they'll. They'll. They have the second pick. So obviously some of this is going to come down to who declares. Is Dante Moore in the class? We'll see if there's two quarter.
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Ryan Rosillo
If Dante Moore declares, that's who the starting week one for the Jets. We could just write that in pen right now.
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Albert Breer
Yeah, it feels that way to me. I. Are you sure that Moore goes behind Mendoza? I'm not totally sure of that. Moore's pretty good.
- [59:58]
Ryan Rosillo
No, I like more. I mean, I know there's been a couple games here where I think the guy's just so calm, but I think Mendoza's approach from the pocket on top of the toughness and everything that goes with that, you know, like I had. I was playing hoops the other day. Shout out to the Hoosiers. There's a bunch of Indiana guys running around trying to take over Manhattan Beach. So I was playing pickup hoops for the first time.
- [60:20]
Albert Breer
They gave you that chant that I had to hear at the Big Ten championship game over and over and over again.
- [60:27]
Ryan Rosillo
They didn't do that chant to me, but they were. The guy was like, what do you think about Jackson Darter Mendoza? And I was. That's this. So I was kind of like, you know, I gotta be honest with you. I. I probably like any quarterback that I feel better about from the pocket first. Like, all the other stuff is extra, like the dart toughness and the running and it's like, okay, all that shit's cool. But this is. He's been reckless since he was in high school with these runs. You know, Mendoza from the pocket is. I think. But now the Giants don't have to worry about any of that stuff.
- [60:55]
Albert Breer
I agree. Like, I think, you know, the personality part of it's great too, because I know we're going to be talking about that for the next four months. I, I would say this about that part of it. As long as you're yourself, I think you'll be fine. You know, like, Andrew Luck was. I love Andrew. Andrew was. Andrew's dorky, you know what I mean? But Andrew owned it and Andrew was himself and he's fine. So I think Mendoza, like, when I watch Mendoza, I see like Jared Goff. I'm not an evaluator, but I see Jared Goff kind of that type of quarterback, and, you know, that's pretty good. It's a guy who's gotten two different franchises that were really bad before he got there to conference championship games more. I've just. I haven't done enough on him, but I just look, look at Dante Moore as somebody who. It just feels like when you watch him play, he's got a really high ceiling. Like, there's. He's. It feels like he's just scratching the surface of what he can become.
- [61:48]
Ryan Rosillo
A little more juice to him, what you're saying, Bre?
- [61:50]
Albert Breer
Yeah, Yeah, I think so. I think that'd be it.
- [61:53]
Ryan Rosillo
Just as an aside, how are you doing as an Ohio State fan? Are you okay?
- [61:57]
Albert Breer
I'm fine. I. I think I've come to grips with. We just weren't that good. I don't know. Like, I. Maybe that's. Maybe that's coping. You know what I mean? But the offensive line issue, like a, like what defensive fronts did we play after Texas that were really capable of challenging us? And so Indiana beat us that way, Miami beat us that way. Really? Miami beat us on both lines of scrimmage. So even if we get through that one, and we almost did, right, like, if get the ball back there, I think sand might drive him down the field, win the game. Like, is that going to hold up the next week against Indiana, Oregon? You know, I don't know. So maybe I'm coping. But I think, like, that offensive line issue, which I'd say there are years of recruiting where that area we missed on some guys, I think a lot of that came home to roost. So I'm doing okay. Although, man, man, like, that night did suck because. Because you don't know how much more of Jeremiah Smith you do. Look at the. Some of the talent on the roster and it's like, man, a lot of these guys are going to be in the NFL. And that's the thing that sucks about rooting for a college team, right? Is like, there's a finite amount of time that you have with each team and there's unknown after.
- [63:15]
Ryan Rosillo
After that, hey, at least it's Ohio State. And you know, if he's really good, he's probably staying in Columbus because just imagine being a college football fan anywhere else.
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Albert Breer
I mean, I, I saw that. I saw like watching the Portal stuff over the last couple days. Did Oregon, Oregon, like lost a guy or two is actually playing. Is that right?
- [63:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, there's one corner that was announced that he wasn't even playing. So there was. There. There may be.
- [63:38]
Albert Breer
Somebody said to me, like, this guy is actually. Because most of them are backups, you know, so I understand that. But somebody said, like, like I, like, somebody said to me, like, this one corner is actually playing, but I guess he's not.
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Ryan Rosillo
I gotta. I'll double check it right now because, I mean, it could have happened if it happened over the weekend. I think the first outrageous one was that the graphic starts going around and you're like, wait a minute, what's going on? Like, they just advanced. And then everybody that knew was like, this guy's not even. This guy's not even playing that. Okay, so let's see.
- [64:16]
Albert Breer
I will say I like landing solution to all this, which is to play the championship on New Year's Day. But.
- [64:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I'd be fine with that. You know what? I'm just. I can't handle any more proposals out with college football. Just get back to me and like, may. I don't want to read about them anymore. I don't want to hear anybody's fucking theories. And some of them might be really good.
- [64:41]
Albert Breer
This will resonate with you in a very small percentage of your audience. But I compared what the Bulls have done to college football to what Thanksgiving has done to high school football in Massachusetts, where they couldn't run a state tournament. For like 30 years because they were so married to the idea of having Thanksgiving football up here, you know, and it's sort of the same thing with college football, where they're so married to the bowl games and, well, we have to have the Rose bowl on New Year's Day because of the Rose Parade and the sunset and all that different stuff. And it's just like, just detach from that, like, find a way to get this done so you have a more fair system for everybody.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. He doesn't have a stat since November. So I don't. I think from what I had read, it was Dalen Austin. That was the one that everybody was getting worked up about that I was like, I don't think he was actually really playing. Okay, we got more breaking news. Arizona Cardinals have fired Gannon.
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Ceruti
Yep.
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Ryan Rosillo
So now this does not. This would actually lead into like the quarterback replacement list. Is that. Look, the Shador question I just asked. I already knew the answer to that one. I don't think somebody's going to win the pitch by being like, I think we got something really special here. I know Shador was a rookie. I thought he was terrible. And we'll see. He had a third down play yesterday that was so bad on third. He thought against zone defense that he was going to run from the 12 yard line into the end zone and he didn't make it a yard. Whatever. Maybe he'll be good. Maybe he'll be good with more reps or whatever. But the Kyler decision, it feels like he's gone and that who's ever coming in doesn't have to come in. Selling the way Kingsbury, you know, Kingsbury was there to develop a quarterback. Gannon was brought in to get Kyler to the next level. It feels like whoever has this job will have a clean slate at the position as well.
- [66:32]
Albert Breer
Yeah, I think so. And they, they've actually got like a decent young core of players. You know, they've got whatever you think of Marvin Harrison, but they've got a left tackle in Paris Johnson, they've got a young tight end and Trey McBride who's probably the best in football. They got a bunch of young pieces on defense. Like, this is an interesting one because it's like, okay, what's your plan for quarterback? Because we think that if we can get the quarterback right, and you even saw it with the way Jacobe played, like there were points where they look pretty competent with Jacobe in there. And Jacobe is like a, you know, I'd say like an average run of the mill. Like, you know, play quarterback from the pocket guy. Like, if you can just get to the point where you have like a top 10 or 12 quarterback in there, you know, you might be able to compete pretty quickly because of the young talent on that roster.
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Ceruti
So.
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Albert Breer
That one I would say is, again, like, I look like the Kyler and Tua situations as, like, how much of the contract are they going to have to eat to trade them? Is that even possible? Do they have to cut them just like Denver did with Russell and just eat the money? But I think one way or the other, you know, Kyler's almost certainly not there in 2026.
- [67:47]
Ryan Rosillo
So if we go, okay, Tua move on. Jets. Don't know who it is. Pittsburgh. I don't know if last night's result matters. I mean, it's. It's easy to play it that way. I mean, there was part of me with Collinsworth and I think Tariko and Collinsworth are awesome. But, like, his law, he gets so excited about football and he's like, he's got the guys over here watching film, he's got the hand signals, he's really put in the time and all stuff. And Calvin Austin has a route where it looked like he broke out of it late. And then Rogers is lighting him up and I'm like, yeah, I don't know, man. You guys got three fucking points, you know? And then, look, I was wrong. They come back, they put together their scoring drives, they win. They win the division, they're in the playoffs. But sometimes I wonder if a result that's in the moment, a huge success, can end up being the most misleading thing and actually screws you up as an organization.
- [68:36]
Albert Breer
Like, I think when you look at this one, really, it's going to be. It's gonna have to be a decision that's bigger than just Aaron. Right? Like, because, you know, like I said earlier, they've got so much age in key spots on the roster. So what are you doing with Cam Hayward? What are you doing with Jalen Ramsey? You know, what are you doing with T.J. watt? You assume he just signed the contract, so he'll be there. Like, what does this look like going forward? And if you're gonna run it back with the same group and a lot of those guys are going to be back and you're going to spend in 2026 to try to win, then it makes sense to have Aaron around. You know, there's another, there's a. There's another scenario where, you know, like, they get blown out by Houston in the first round of the playoffs. And now all of a sudden, it's like, okay, like, we're evaluating everything now. And so I think a lot of, like, their decision making is going to. Gonna. Gonna hinge on how they see that group of older players more than just Aaron. And do I think Aaron's gonna want to play again next year? I think that could even hinge a little bit on. On what it looks like on Monday night. It's. It's sort of interesting because I do think, like, Aaron's gotten himself back into a place. I think you saw it after the game, too, and, you know, I've talked about it, to talk with him about this. Like, I do think he's kind of gotten himself back to a place where he's really enjoying playing football again. And whether or not he has another year in him, I'm not sure.
- [70:01]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, let's run through the rest of these. We already covered Cleveland. Anything to Lamar and Baltimore?
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Albert Breer
I mean, no, for now. You know, I think he will be back as the quarterback next year. However, when Josh Allen got his correction last year, the Ravens went in and talk to Lamar about doing a new contract that obviously didn't work out. He's got two years left on his deal. How much is Lamar going to push for a new deal now and does that become a problem? And if that's a problem, the Ravens don't even have to shop him because at that point, you know, if there's teams interested in trading for him, they're going to pick up the phone and call, whether that's the Dolphins, the Raiders, whoever else, like those teams could be motivated to pick up the phone and call. And so I think, like, if there is going to be a separation here or a divorce, it would be because the contract situation fell apart. And to get there, that would take, you know, Lamar pushing for one and the Ravens not wanting to do one.
- [71:09]
Ryan Rosillo
You think the Colts just resigned Daniel Jones?
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Albert Breer
Yeah, I do. I think that they saw enough from. From Daniel. I think that the prognosis on the injury, I think, is that this is going to be a relatively clean, clean one to come back from. You know, my, My, my, my sense is that, that, that, like, they wind up doing a deal that makes sense for everybody, so to speak, to bring him back, and they love him there. Like, they. They. They felt like they'd really found something. The plan, you know, before he got hurt 100 was to go forward with him. Now the question becomes whether or not you got a franchise him to do that because the franchise tag, I believe this year is going to be, you know, in the mid-40s or maybe close to 50. If you do that, then you're talking about giving them a contract in that, in that range. Are you able to work something out with them before you have to tag them? Do you tag them? If you do tag them, you know, you're sort of in the same position the Giants were a couple years ago.
- [72:04]
Ryan Rosillo
With them, Minnesota. Just run it back with jj, See what you have.
- [72:08]
Albert Breer
I assume with competition, I would say with competition.
- [72:13]
Ryan Rosillo
Competition, yeah.
- [72:14]
Albert Breer
I think, I think with them, I think with them, they're going to look hard at the idea of a reclamation project because it worked for them before with Sam. Right. Like they were able to get a great year out of Sam. And so, you know, I, I, I, I think they'll look at the idea of how do we make sure that we're creating some level of certainty for ourselves here where we know, like, we've got some sort of backstop if JJ doesn't work out. I just think there's too much on the line for them based on where they are from a roster standpoint. Ryan. And, you know, you look at the guys that they have that are in the prime of their careers, you know, Justin Jefferson, you know, Jordan Addison, you know, Aaron Jones is still there, Christian Derrisa on the defensive side of the ball, you know, guys like, like Van Ginkel and Garnard and, and Byron Murphy, who they resigned. I just, I think that their feeling is they're really close to competing for a championship and they're not going to let the quarterback position undermine that next year. Not to say that JJ's performance would again, but I just say, like, they, I think they'll be a little bit more apt to protect themselves and create some competition at the position.
- [73:25]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, final thought here. I know you have an MVP vote, so you can't tell us.
- [73:31]
Albert Breer
Yep.
- [73:34]
Ryan Rosillo
How do I ask you this?
- [73:36]
Albert Breer
You want to make the case for both? I would say.
- [73:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, what do you think will be the ultimately, like, the deciding factor for voters?
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Albert Breer
You know, I think it's like going to kind of like it's going to be about how you view the award. You know what I mean? Like, I think, you know, Drake's got the more with less case. Like, that was a 41 team a year ago. I don't think anybody in their right mind thought that was a very good roster going into the season, you know, and like, with, you know, Stefon Diggs in his 30s with Mack Hollins, with, you know, Pop Douglas and, you know, and Hunter Henry and Austin Hooper. Like, he's been able to get the team to 14 wins, you know, and Brable's a huge, huge, huge part of that. But there's that more with less argument. And then you've got the argument, well, this guy, Matthew Stafford is playing the game at a. Playing the position at a higher level than anyone else in football, which I think is the case, you know, and Stafford, like, some of the things he does. If you talk to Rams people, it's just off the charts where he is right now from that standpoint. But he does have a couple clunkers in there. Like, he had a couple. Three turnover games and losses to the Falcons and Panthers. So how do you factor that in? And then you have maybe the guy who's the best player in Josh Allen in football. Right? Like. And so everything that Josh does that maybe goes a little less appreciated because he's done it year after year after year. There's Justin Herbert, who's helped the Chargers navigate all the injuries. There's Christian McCaffrey, who's been the one constant for San Francisco. With everything that's gone on there, I mean, ultimately, I think this comes down to May versus Stafford, but I do think there's a handful of guys who have a pretty good case.
- [75:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, I know you got to get back to work, man. So we kept you here a while. Some breaking news, and you can check it out.
- [75:29]
Albert Breer
I got to react in real time there. That was pretty good.
- [75:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, we did. What's your handle again? I forget if you have a clever one. Buckeye boy, something.
- [75:37]
Albert Breer
Oh, no, no, no, no. It's just that Albert pr. I wouldn't do that.
- [75:40]
Ryan Rosillo
All right?
- [75:41]
Albert Breer
I'm only. I'm only a. I'm a silent member of the lunatic fringe now.
- [75:46]
Ryan Rosillo
You know, you've gotten a lot quieter, I've noticed, because, like, there's a few years there where I was like, do I even like rear anymore?
- [75:52]
Albert Breer
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've. I've learned to tone it down, you know, as I've gotten a little bit older. Doesn't mean. It. Doesn't mean I wasn't freaking out, pulling my hair out and maybe having trouble sleeping on Wednesday night. But. But. But I'm a little less outward about it than I used to be.
- [76:08]
Ryan Rosillo
I think you'll be okay with a national championship in your back pocket. The run they went on last year from just a year ago, I think, you know, probably helps. Helps the sting a little. Bit better, thanks. Beer. All right.
- [76:17]
Albert Breer
Thanks, Ryan.
- [76:21]
Ryan Rosillo
So y' all know that we're big.
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Albert Breer
Fans of Cracker Barrel, and this holiday.
- [76:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Season, I will be sat at their table with a big plate of country fried turkey. And Brandon, I'll be right there with you. And I'll check it off my Christmas list in the country store while I'm at it. It'll make a nice holiday tradition. Oh, that's so cute of you. Enjoy all the more holiday traditions. Only at Cracker Barrel. You want details?
- [76:40]
Albert Breer
Buy.
- [76:41]
Ryan Rosillo
I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet.
- [76:44]
Albert Breer
What's up?
- [76:46]
Kyle
I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.
- [76:49]
Albert Breer
I have every toy you could possibly imagine.
- [76:51]
Kyle
And best of all, kids, I am liquid. So now you know what's possible. Let me tell you what's required.
- [76:59]
Ryan Rosillo
Life advice. The email address is life advice. Rrmail.com We've got Kyle and Ceruti here. Yep. At some point, we're going to pop Tom or Devin on look out.
- [77:10]
Kyle
Got to give him a heads up.
- [77:11]
Ryan Rosillo
Got to get the layouts together.
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Albert Breer
Yeah.
- [77:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Feel it. Kyle looks a lot better now.
- [77:16]
Kyle
I don't think I do, actually. I was ready to. I was ready to come in strong. I even got a little, like, moisturizing cream from my wife the other day. I was like, you got anything for, like, under the eyes here? And then I went drinking at the freaking football for football yesterday.
- [77:28]
Ryan Rosillo
And I feel like again.
- [77:29]
Kyle
But I really. Saturday, I was like, I'm gonna show him.
- [77:32]
Ryan Rosillo
But then I didn't. You were pissed at me, huh? Because I said you looked bad.
- [77:36]
Ceruti
It was hard.
- [77:37]
Ryan Rosillo
You just.
- [77:37]
Kyle
I mean, I just wasn't expecting the. How much actually information you had on the docket. I thought you just weren't paying attention. You're like, no, actually, I was gonna do you a favor and just leave it alone. So it was almost like you felt.
- [77:50]
Ryan Rosillo
Bad for me, which, you know, I. I just didn't think it was, you know, you were hurting. And then the eyes thing on top of everything else, and then it looked like you were hanging out in Venezuela with that backdrop, so I didn't know what was going on.
- [78:06]
Kyle
Thinking about maybe getting, like, the Poughkeepsie towns, like the city seal and draping it over this thing. I gotta do something.
- [78:12]
Ryan Rosillo
I gotta do something. Unrelated, I'm in the wine business now.
- [78:18]
Ceruti
I was wondering what this text was.
- [78:20]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. So you got a wind taste. Oh, I didn't say it's a Kyle. I thought this was.
- [78:26]
Ceruti
I was like, is this AI, what's happening right now?
- [78:28]
Ryan Rosillo
No, I'll send it. I'll send it to Kyle right now.
- [78:30]
Ceruti
Then Sauvignon Blanc.
- [78:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. The whole thing was that I invested in a property basically, and it was a while ago. It was with a friend. I could kind of tell he didn't really need me. He was just offering up, like, hey, I'm opening up this winery thing. And he's like, I don't even know if you're ever gonna go. But it's probably more real estate play than it is about the day to day business part of it, so what the fuck? Yeah. And it's our guy Scott from Breakside, who in the most un Rosillo arc of a story ever, somebody spends money for charity to spend the day with Van Pelt and I. And then I think he did it twice and we ended up becoming friends. Like, I visited his family when he was in New Zealand. We were in New Zealand at the same time. So he is in the hospitality thing. His Breakside beer thing is incred. You know, he sent it out and, like, we're just giving him a shout out. And I'm. I'm promised. This was supposed to be sort of organic, but he sent me the labels. They were like, hey, we know you like, Sav. Do you want us to make you a Rosillo Sav? And I was like, well, I mean, are you going to be like, do I have to, like, promote it? And is we going to be serious with this thing? He's like, no, we'll just have some fun with it. We'll make some labels, we'll figure out which one you like, and then that'll be the Resilo Saab. And then we'll have it at this one little place in Oregon. And I went, you know what? That's awesome. No problem. They sent in the labels to me while we were taping the show. I'm dying laughing at these things. This is the one I think we're gonna go with, but it might be a little stolen. It might be a little stolen Valor because it looks like I'm wearing British Navy outfit. So maybe we can't. I was gonna save.
- [80:04]
Ceruti
There's like, you would be an extra in Dunkirk and I wouldn't think twice about it.
- [80:08]
Ryan Rosillo
I know.
- [80:12]
Kyle
What is that? Is that a metal? It looks like maybe it's some sort of patch. Yeah, maybe you could just lose the patch. Everything else is kind of, like, ambiguous. I like it though.
- [80:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Maybe we lose the patch because, you know, maybe I'm just.
- [80:25]
Ceruti
I feel like we need to put this picture up on the video side of this today, by the way, before we have permission.
- [80:30]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [80:31]
Kyle
Because it's not in the. It's just in the running, right?
- [80:34]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, it's just in the running. I mean, there's another one here that I think kind of nails it, but this isn't very much fun for the audience right now, so I'm going to get out of it now. I apologize to the audience, but yeah, at the very least, how about this? There will be some sort of Rosillo Sauvignon Blanc. And I don't. I don't think. I don't even know if we'll be able to send it to anybody. So. Exciting news.
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Kyle
It's a great photo.
- [81:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Great photo. This is the second photo that you.
- [81:06]
Kyle
This one, I think is the one, actually.
- [81:07]
Ryan Rosillo
I'll ask if we can get permission and we'll put it up somehow with.
- [81:10]
Kyle
The whole maybe do like a vote thing. You can do votes now on, like Instagram and.
- [81:14]
Ryan Rosillo
And X. Right.
- [81:15]
Kyle
Get a little Threads crowdsource going.
- [81:17]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, Threads has the best polls, so I will. This wasn't great audio. Like, this was. This was not. I'm. I'm sorry to the audio side of the audience here on this. But yeah, I think the headline, though, is that there's going to be a. Just a very. I like it to be not harsh. I like it to be almost just watery, refreshing, dull tones. So we'll see what happens with that one. Speaking of commerce, the addicted to saving guy, that was a pretty clever way of titling his mania. Yeah, right. So he. He hit us up. He goes, all right, fellas, this was last week. So Mr. Two for One did not start as a lifestyle. I want to check in before I'm labeled a menace to society. It started at Ford Field with an actually gross cold hot dog. I returned it, got a new one, and the guy said, just toss the old one. As I'm walking to the trash, four people behind the counter are staring at me and I say, sorry, I don't want to waste it. I'll just finish it. Someone immediately yells, oh, we got Mr. Two for one. That's it. That's the whole story. Origin. All right. Yeah, that's where it started. Then what happened? A few things.
- [82:31]
Kyle
That was like when Spider man got bit by the spider. That was just the beginning.
- [82:35]
Ceruti
The fork in the road.
- [82:36]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, I love that origin story. Such a good one. Peter Parker, all he wanted. He just loves science. He's just a nerdy kid who loves science. You know, Sakti Always had a shitty apartment. I mean, it made him the Everyman. Which is why Peter Parker was so relatable to so many other nerdy kids growing up. You know, like Superman wasn't super relatable. A nerdy kid who's, you know, had kind of a tough home life. And then I loved. I fucking love Spider man, by the way. If you're wondering, like, wait, Marcello has this in his bag. You're fucking right I do. And that's why some of the movies started driving me crazy a little bit more and more. I just think there's some. There's value in there for sort of like a dark, defeated kid. 2002 Spider Man. Yeah, 2002. Yeah. I got. I was really upset about the first Toby McGuire one. I was so excited. But I think it was right around 2002. So literally nothing was going to cheer me up. True. That's fair.
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Ceruti
I like that those movies were the.
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't.
- [83:37]
Ceruti
I remember in real time those movies being bad. And then now I feel like they've like, it's retroactive. Being like, oh no, actually those movies were good because remember when, like, what was it? It was no Way Home. Whatever the new Spider man that came out was. And they brought all three of those guys back into one movie. Then it was like, oh, like, it's amazing. Like, these movies were so good. I'm glad everyone get their shine. I was like, I remember those movies being terrible growing up.
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Kyle
Yeah, it's more of just like not my Spider man sort of deal. I think it's just you. You get to pick. I mean, I feel like everyone was just on the Toby team. It's like you guys don't even know even if that was good or bad.
- [84:07]
Ryan Rosillo
It was just.
- [84:08]
Kyle
It's good to pick a side.
- [84:09]
Ceruti
More of a Andrew Garfield guy.
- [84:11]
Kyle
No, I mean, I could have just.
- [84:12]
Ryan Rosillo
People hate the Andrew Garfield one. I actually liked it.
- [84:15]
Kyle
Take it or leave it.
- [84:19]
Ryan Rosillo
All right. Yeah, well, anyway, I just always thought it was your favorite thing that you're like a superhero in your apartment. Always sucks. And like he's worried about money with Mary Jane because obviously Gwen was the first girlfriend. Which also I thought was a little annoying that they kind of went with the Gwen thing after the fact. That whatever, you know, he was just haunted by the Gwen Stacy thing. Haunted by it as many of us are. All right, back to our guy here. A few things that feel important. This doesn't take me time. It's seconds. A quick ask. Either it works or it doesn't. I Move on. I'm not missing bedtime or sitting on hold building a case file. The sneaker thing was bad. That's my line. Fair. But also, who made those $129 sneakers that last five and a half months of church pip pick up basketball? I went six or seven on threes after eight months off with a torn meniscus, by the way.
- [85:07]
Ceruti
Nice.
- [85:08]
Ryan Rosillo
Sounds like something I would say. So no one likes it when I say it. This is very targeted. I'm not doing this at local cheer spots, Kyle. Joe's Italian Diner is safe. This is Nike, Amazon, Walmart. Huge, faceless, trillion dollar companies with entire departments built to say no. I just happen to enjoy asking, are you sure? And seeing what happens. I also just genuinely love negotiating. Always have. I've helped neighbors on my cul de sac lower their cable and phone bills purely for the love of the game. No cut, no commission, just the thrill. I really should be considered more in line with Robin Hood. And people want to label me Prince John. Hoarding change in a vault while whispering two for one to myself in the dark. Last thing. My wife watched the pod the other day and said, ryan looks strong. No idea how she could make that assumption, but I would want to hear this if something was said about me. I explained to her he counts reps down instead of up, which has somehow changed my own lifting too. So I'm letting that strong comment slide. She also thinks Kyle and Serti are twins.
- [86:09]
Kyle
She wasn't there on Friday, I guess.
- [86:11]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, she wasn't watching on Friday, I guess. Although, I don't know, you kind of had like a twilight cerutty mic and mic shift thing going.
- [86:21]
Ceruti
No, I don't.
- [86:22]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't think.
- [86:22]
Ceruti
I don't think Kyle's a pale guy.
- [86:25]
Kyle
I got some weird lighting going on.
- [86:26]
Ryan Rosillo
You know, I gotta.
- [86:27]
Ceruti
Yeah, lots of lighting.
- [86:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Right, right, right. Merry Christmas. He sent us a picture in. Look, I was just gonna take it easy on you. People were upset we didn't kill that guy.
- [86:39]
Kyle
I felt like we were going pretty hard, you know, for what that guy probably wouldn't expect. I always try to think of it as that guy. Like, the first time we did that, when a guy wrote in, we're like, dude, are you insane? And like, they. They wrote in to tell us about something and we basically just piled on him. I just. I always try to think of that guy who's like, oh, my God, he's reading my email and we just call him like a maniac for 15 minutes. So.
- [87:03]
Ryan Rosillo
Sometimes you need it, though.
- [87:04]
Kyle
I know.
- [87:05]
Ryan Rosillo
But still, it's not. Doesn't make me feel good.
- [87:08]
Ceruti
If I recall correctly though, like, I don't think, I don't think we really criticized him. Like, I get it. Like, hey, yeah, like, you're trying to take down the man, right? I think we said that, like, cool, that's fine. But like, like doing this over and over again in front of friends and family, like, you're just not gonna. Looking good in that. That's, that's the thing. Like, it's just like, oh, he's doing this thing again. Like, what is.
- [87:25]
Albert Breer
That's.
- [87:25]
Ceruti
That's his. Like, you know, he's embarrassed. Yeah. You know, like, so I understand the, the idea of like, hey, screw this company. I'm just gonna try to, you know, milk them for everything they're worth. But like, I don't know, like, at some point you gotta, you grow out of that. Like, like, you're not, you're not embarrassed by that. Your wife clearly kind of seems to be a little bit. Although I guess chime in since she is now a loyal listener. I don't know.
- [87:47]
Ryan Rosillo
Did he oversell it in the first email? And now it's like he's trying to oversell it a little because I think everybody understood too. If you're, some people are going to listen to this and be like, if you're not doing it to local businesses, if you're not doing a mom and pop, my guess would be you have though you probably have done it that you're not just targeting, you know, whatever market cap threshold, you're over.
- [88:08]
Kyle
Yeah, you want some garlic bread too?
- [88:10]
Ryan Rosillo
That's right. You fucking know you've done it to some local burrito guy because it's just in you. And then, you know the sneaker thing. Look, I did the Nike sneaker exchange in the 90s. Like, when I heard about it, it was like they just take everything back and switch them out. It was one of the best days of my life. I sent in four pairs of basketball sneakers. I didn't have any money. They sent me back four brand new pairs of basketball sneakers. And when people first found out about that, what's that?
- [88:40]
Ceruti
The same ones?
- [88:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, like, no, if it was discontinued, they'd send me like whatever that equivalent model was of that family tree of sneakers. So, like, if I send in a Pippin, because Pippin's, I think his second Nikes were unbelievable. And I'm not even like a Pippin guy because I think the documentary, those.
- [88:59]
Ceruti
Air ones written on the side.
- [89:03]
Ryan Rosillo
No, I know what you're saying, right? That just say straight up air.
- [89:05]
Ceruti
I had those.
- [89:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, it was like that. So that might have been in the Pippin family, but there was this one that was the P2s or something. I don't know. That sounds like Pierce, but they were incredible. And then I had, like, some hyper.
- [89:17]
Ceruti
When did this get discontinued? I feel like I've never heard of. It's unbelievable. I know. I think Patagonia does that. Like, you could just, you know, bring stuff back. I don't think they'll give you, like, a free thing, but they'll give you store credit.
- [89:27]
Ryan Rosillo
Right? But we had a guy email, and he goes, this is why L.L. bean. Guys like this. Guys like this. This is why L.L. bean had to change everything. Because then people are just like. I back in the day, knew a girl that worked at the makeup counter at Nordstrom. You know, I was in there all the time just checking on different scents, you know, pushing the boundaries of what's even possible for a straight male in West Harvard, Connecticut. And she's on the front lines. Yeah. She was telling me like, you don't like it, you can return it. I'm like, well, what the hell's that? She's like, yeah, you can. Do you weigh it?
- [90:00]
Kyle
Like, what?
- [90:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Return it. I was like, you can return use. And she's like, that's what Nordstrom. Their entire policy is, no matter what, you have to return it. And I was like, that must suck. She's like, yeah. You mean like when somebody buys, like, a $200 jar of La Mer and replaces it with Lubriderm and comes back and goes, I don't like this. And they took out all the La Mer. Like, dude, some guys listen right now. And our female women listeners are like, oh, my God, Priscilla's nailing this right now. So, yeah, it'd be nice if that's customer service. And, you know, I guess you could argue that when I was 20, I abused the Nike thing once. And maybe I'm part of the reason why you can't do it anymore, but.
- [90:39]
Kyle
I also got a little bit older than the last. Nike's pretty big. That's like, there's no way that could last.
- [90:44]
Ryan Rosillo
Before, it was, like, still pre. Like, not before the Internet, technically. But it was just kind of like a word of mouth thing.
- [90:50]
Kyle
Yeah.
- [90:51]
Ryan Rosillo
And you. You know, you'd be at a party and somebody goes, you know, you can do this. You're like, no way. And then people like, no way. That doesn't work.
- [90:58]
Ceruti
I had a buddy in college, he did the golf ball thing, you know, like, the golf sleeve thing. He would basically take, like, you know, a pinnacle box and just put, like, four Pro V1 sleeves in there and just, you know, they used.
- [91:08]
Ryan Rosillo
So actually stealing, you mean?
- [91:10]
Ceruti
Well, they still purchased the.
- [91:12]
Ryan Rosillo
The Pinnacle.
- [91:13]
Ceruti
They were just getting probie once.
- [91:15]
Ryan Rosillo
That's not the same.
- [91:16]
Kyle
That is not the same.
- [91:17]
Ryan Rosillo
That's just stealing, Like. Yeah. Instead of a soda, I get condiments at 7:11 and then put a cap on it. It's basically the same.
- [91:28]
Kyle
Yeah. I mean, I. When I was living in Poughkeepsie the first time around, I'd go to the mall with some guys, and they'd be like, dude, look what I'm doing. I'm like, I'm not. I wasn't really a, you know, snatch and run kind of guy. I wasn't in. That wasn't in me. I like, you know, maybe you could twist my arm.
- [91:43]
Ryan Rosillo
I think some people would expect that, too. So I'm glad we cleared.
- [91:46]
Kyle
It wasn't like. It wasn't a way of life, you know what I mean? But this guy would, like, he. He would, like, carefully take tags off of things and swap them, you know, and he was like. He'd be like, look what I'm doing. And I'm like, I can't. I can't be in here, man.
- [91:57]
Ceruti
That is.
- [91:58]
Kyle
And he went. And he was just.
- [91:59]
Ryan Rosillo
He.
- [91:59]
Kyle
You couldn't tell.
- [92:00]
Ryan Rosillo
He said, I can't be in here. When you were younger, you're like, not with you, man.
- [92:03]
Kyle
Not with you.
- [92:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Not with you. Ten dicks.
- [92:05]
Kyle
Come on. I like dicks. I. I love the store.
- [92:08]
Ceruti
Dicks.
- [92:09]
Kyle
Why did it have to be that store panel? That was my life, bro. The sporting goods was right there. Why did I have to say that one? But, yeah, I don't want to be.
- [92:18]
Ceruti
You know, you're a model's guy, too, obviously, so.
- [92:20]
Kyle
Well, yeah, Some things you just can't get at models.
- [92:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Yeah. There's some. There's. I mean, if you would need an Islanders. If you need different versions of an Islanders jacket, Mo's model's your guy.
- [92:34]
Kyle
You really look down on models, Ryan, and I don't. I mean, I guess. I guess you're rightfully. So they're out of business.
- [92:38]
Ryan Rosillo
I think so. Yeah. Call that. Were you probably more in the fencing game? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of what I would be like, hey, I'm not going to be in there, but if you've got something discounted, then I can maybe turn it, be your guy. Yeah.
- [92:56]
Kyle
Might be a trade for.
- [92:58]
Ryan Rosillo
Yes, exactly. Hey, Kyle, what do you got? I've got extra long bamboo tees, three knives, and a couple hockey sticks. Step into my office. Yeah.
- [93:11]
Kyle
Oh.
- [93:15]
Ryan Rosillo
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- [93:31]
Albert Breer
Find all the more holiday joys only at Cracker Barrel.
- [93:35]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, this guy. Apparently somebody wants to pay his tuition. Tuition support from wife's parents. Hey, guys. Longtime listener, big time. Congratulations on the new venture. Thank you. 30 years old, 6 foot, 175. Used to live frequently, but gotten a long distance running the last few years. Goal is to mix in more weights again this new year. Well, look out, buddy, because it's going to be awesome. I'm very lucky. A guy who married an incredible wife welcomed our first baby this last year. Great set of families between the two of us. Both very supportive. Our parents are also successful entrepreneurs who. Who are extremely well off financially. Important context. They're currently helping us finance the vast majority of our house with the philosophy that they prefer to pass on their wealth, that is my wife's inheritance, earlier in our lives when it's more impactful. And intend to do the same for the rest of her siblings. She's the oldest. I got to tell you, parents that are proactive. Yeah. What a great philosophy. How great is that? Because sometimes I think about when I'm dead, I'll be like, okay, you've got four younger siblings. And if I don't have a family, so, you know, I would give it all to them. And. Well, this took a dark turn.
- [94:43]
Albert Breer
Yeah.
- [94:44]
Ryan Rosillo
But then it was like, you know, maybe. Maybe the move is to try to do something earlier if you ever get to that point. But hopefully, I don't know, they don't listen to the show, so they're not going to be like calling me in six months. Be like, hey, I was just wondering if you would kind of, you know, change force on the January 5 episode.
- [94:59]
Ceruti
Yeah.
- [95:00]
Ryan Rosillo
Because it's kind of like, oh, cool, I inherited all this stuff. I'm 72 and my hip doesn't work. Let's start fucking partying, you know? Right. So. All right.
- [95:09]
Kyle
Could go back to Whole Foods now.
- [95:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Great.
- [95:14]
Kyle
See you later, Aldi.
- [95:15]
Ryan Rosillo
Cancel the Sprouts membership. All right. They're currently helping us finance the majority of our house pass on the wealth. They're also vocally supportive of offering to pay for any post college education or career advancement for any sibling or sibling's husband, wife. Whoa. Everything from yoga certification to law school. Now to the crux. I'm several classes into an online master's program I began a little over a year ago, which I paid for purely out of my own savings. When it came up in conversation the other day, the father in law graciously offered that they wanted to cover the tuition just as they would for anyone else. He went so far to say I would be stupid not to accept the support. I agree with him by the way, and should continue to build my wife and I's savings. When I started the program, I did not originally ask for their support with tuition as they already support us in too many ways. Most recently a house. And the master's program is in pursuit of an area I'm passionate about and though I hope to one day monetize, it's not directly applicable to my career advancement in the way other master's degrees would be. Sounds like somebody's got a hankering for a film degree. It feels like more of my own, more of a investment in myself. However, with this heavy urging, I'm starting to reconsider using their financial support for school and continuing to save money for our kid kids. Especially because I might be dropping some work hours in order to finish school sooner than later. My wife is also strongly in favor of me using their financial support for tuition. For context, my remaining tuition is between $15,000 and $20,000. I'm torn, but I am torn. Is the personal pride worth more than dollars and cents of it, which we could be using elsewhere? Appreciate perspectives. Cheers. This one's going to be quick. Take his fucking money. Stop worrying about it.
- [97:03]
Kyle
What's the subject of this? Too good to be true. What's the subject line of this email?
- [97:08]
Ryan Rosillo
Too many things are working out. Help. You kidding me, man?
- [97:13]
Kyle
I get it that you're. I get it that you're like one removed from the kids and maybe you like to be like, wow. Well, you grow up a certain way. Look, your dad's still paying your phone bill or something, you know, but it's not worth it. That's, you know, whatever, whatever, like pride. You get to be like, oh, I grew up poorer than you, or I had it worse than you. Like really, it's not worth it. This is awesome. This is so awesome.
- [97:35]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, clearly the house thing.
- [97:37]
Kyle
I'm still selling the house thing.
- [97:38]
Ceruti
The house things are a pretty big bonus. I mean, again, clearly they, like, they're a fan of yours and they believe in you, so, like, you should take that as a compliment. And they want to see you be happy and they want you to pursue whatever dreams that you have. I mean, the only thing he didn't mention this. The only thing I could think of that like, is a little awkward is like his parents being like, wow, like, cool. You just met this, you know this. Your in laws are like kind of bankrolling your life and maybe there's a little jealousy, I don't know, potentially. Yeah. Like, that could be weird. But he didn't mention that, so.
- [98:03]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [98:03]
Ceruti
And honestly, you don't have to tell anyone that you paid that you're getting this paid for. I mean, I guess, you know, it sounds like they're giving you, I mean, 10 to 15 grand in the grand scheme of what they're likely giving you through your life is, is probably not a ton. So you could be a hard one to say, no, I'm gonna get this one thing. Just knowing that you're gonna get it for the rest other in other ways for the rest of your life, if that makes you feel good. But yeah, man, I think, I think, you know, you're you, you kind of hit the, the in law. You hit the in law lottery, you're on scholarship. Different way, you know, that way, dude.
- [98:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [98:33]
Kyle
They could be anyone and they're these type of people enjoy that.
- [98:38]
Ceruti
It doesn't sound like they're like holding over you in any way. Like, it's like, hey, like, you have to do this. Or like, you know, they're making you do things you don't want to do. Like, it just seems like they just love you, man.
- [98:46]
Kyle
Yeah, that was a pretty thorough email. He didn't mention any of that, so I think you're probably right.
- [98:50]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. And if you want credit for even thinking about it, like, hey, you know, maybe I should just kind of do the right thing and do this on my own. I don't really need their help. Like, at least you thought about it. You send us the email. Yeah. There you go. It reminds me a little bit of one of the best scenes in the history of television Turnhaven succession when they go to the Pierces to try to see if they can buy pgn. And it's the Roys and it's the Pierces and they're having dinner. And Nan Pierce, who's just incredible, she's so good at playing that character. I feel like I've met that mom of my Fairfield county friends. So many different times where I'm like, I don't think you like me at all, but you're being incredibly pleasant. And she starts talking about value and what matters in life and she's like, virtue. You know, these things are real things. Then Tom, of course, WAMB scans, it's like, oh, well that's interesting because the other day I went and bought a ham and I paid for it by telling them that I care about the environment. And so the reason I bring that up is I read that email is like, sure, the way you're wired is commendable. Most people wouldn't even write in the email, you know, but I'm like, whatever that reward is, whatever you think that is, it's like, no, no, no, I will finish my master's degree and I will pay for it out of my own pocket. I think the sad thing is in this specific case, maybe there's other cases, there's other cases where maybe we say, oh, this sets the table for a great life later on because you made this incredible decision about how you see things and how prideful you are about it. But you get a little bit older and you're kind of like, yeah, who gives a shit? Like, no one's going to come back. And retroactively there will never be a moment. Yeah, yeah, no one's coming back to you in five years going like, hey, you know what was really cool was when you didn't take that extra 15 or 20 year in to cover the masters that your father in law was going to pay. Maybe it makes you better, you know, maybe there's some counter arguments and all this stuff. I'm just telling you there's a lot of stuff like in the moment and then you, you fast forward the deck a few years and you just go, what the was I thinking? Like that was just a layup to take. Like, no, no, no, you know, Peter should have just Mad Men get the condo, man, she just wants to help even though her dad's addicted to hookers.
- [101:17]
Ceruti
Maybe he's concerned that in 10, 15, 20 years, when he does hit it big with whatever this endeavor is, that he's not going to be able to be labeled as a self made billionaire. You know, Think about that.
- [101:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Exactly. Self made. You know, I, I got so sick of the, this trend and it's kind of, we worked ourselves out of some, I think some absurd things of like the resentment towards anyone having any kind of advantage. It's like, yeah, all right, you know, you got me like, you got me. I don't have student loans. I did, but I'm just saying, like, you know, it's like, oh, how'd you get that job? My dad knew one of the guys. Kill him. Yep. Go.
- [102:01]
Ceruti
Leave it there.
- [102:03]
Kyle
So glad you feel that way.
- [102:05]
Ryan Rosillo
I gotta say.
- [102:07]
Kyle
I love a good favor. I love a good favor, so. I'm glad to hear you say that.
- [102:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Look, I just think things are so hard. Things are hard enough, man. Like, you don't need to start, I.
- [102:19]
Ceruti
Don'T know, keeping score.
- [102:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that's a different.
- [102:22]
Kyle
Maybe you could do, like, emotions.
- [102:23]
Ryan Rosillo
That'll be a special.
- [102:24]
Kyle
Maybe you could do, like, motivational, like, speeches for lucky guys.
- [102:27]
Ryan Rosillo
Like.
- [102:28]
Kyle
Like, life's hard enough, man. That would be great.
- [102:33]
Ryan Rosillo
Just walk in, be like, how good does this room have it? Okay, last one. Let's finish up here. Is it wrong to put your dog's poop in someone else's trash can?
- [102:46]
Ceruti
Hmm.
- [102:46]
Ryan Rosillo
Six, one, two, 25. Longtime listener, going back to the. Got back into the gym last year. Love it. Made some gains, nothing major. I followed this guy on Instagram who's a fucking beast of a guy. I think he was Special Forces or whatever. Followed him and just trying to figure out a couple things he's doing out of Zurichlers. I don't know if the tendons are going to hang on. And I was watching his videos, I got a DM like, an hour later. I was like, this is awesome. Special Forces badass. He knows who I am. He wants to hit me up. Maybe we'll get a workout in together. And it was just a generic link to his workout program for 20 bucks a month. And I was like, damn it. Thought we were going to be friends. This is my badass friend. You should see him with a kettlebell. Okay, so getting back to the gym. Fired up for you? My question. I've always wondered, when walking my dog, if I pick up a big pile of poop while walking the dog, would it be wrong to drop the poop bag in someone else's trash bin? I'm not talking about walking up to someone else's house, but more so when it's trash day and the cans are at the end of the driveway. In case you were thinking, I've never done it. I've always wondered what prompted me to fire off this email. Now you ask? While on a run tonight and listening to your Sando pod, I saw this very thing happen. Dude walking his two dogs, picking up poop big enough that I could smell on the way by. So we're talking almost like, what species is that? Is that a guy? I don't know what's happened to Tucson. After circling the cul de sac, I look ahead to see him drop it in a trash can and keep walking. Not my place to say anything, but had to get the panel's input. Love the pod. Happy New Year.
- [104:20]
Kyle
Well, I know you do, and you should probably go. I was going to say, as a guy who doesn't have his own can, you know, I would say, is it trash day now, or did trash day just happen? Is it about to be trash day? Like, how long is this? Did that just go right to the bottom of my can? Am I stuck with this shit for a week? You know, I imagine that's the kind of reasonable thing that you're like, is it trash day already, or are the cans still out there and you just found a receptacle?
- [104:49]
Ceruti
Has to be a full can. Trash can't come yet.
- [104:52]
Kyle
And then even. Even then, if somebody's like, I don't want you putting your shit in my trash can, you still have to be like, okay, I guess I'm sorry. You can't be. You can't try to defend your choice. You have to say, my bad. Didn't know that was a special trash.
- [105:03]
Ceruti
Can, but I don't really know why. But it feels wrong. It doesn't have an explanation for it, but it just. You know what I mean?
- [105:11]
Ryan Rosillo
Because it's a shit and someone else's stuff. Yeah, I know.
- [105:14]
Ceruti
I, like, logically, I'm like, yeah, why? Why should I care? It's all going to the same place. It's a vessel. It's the same day. Like, yeah, okay, if it's an empty thing, it's gonna sit in my yard.
- [105:24]
Kyle
You know, Ryan's in a very walk.
- [105:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Sure.
- [105:26]
Ceruti
I will say I did get yelled at once. Not residential, but I was on a walk in town with the dog, Big poop, cleaned it up and threw it in, like, a big dumpster behind, like, a building of, like, off, you know, offices, whatever, yada, yada. And this one of the store owners came out and was like, basically, what are you doing? And I kind of called me out on it. And I didn't think that was that big of a deal because it's like.
- [105:48]
Kyle
But you just have to say sorry. You're like, you're.
- [105:50]
Ryan Rosillo
Technically.
- [105:50]
Ceruti
It had already been there. Like, I'm not going to get it, so. But, like, it did feel a little wrong. And I think. I think if this is a residential thing, I'd lean More like, it definitely is wrong if. If I just don't have a great explanation for why it is wrong. It just feels wrong, you know?
- [106:05]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [106:05]
Kyle
When I do it, I certainly am, like, peeking around like, that guy's not on his porch, is he?
- [106:09]
Ryan Rosillo
You know?
- [106:10]
Kyle
But, yeah, but I will do it. And I think it's. I don't think you can explain it away. If somebody says, well, you shouldn't be doing that. You have to be like, all right, you caught me. Sort of like when I would get caught smoking weed when I was younger, it's like, I'm not going to argue that you should let me smoke weed. I'm just going to say I'm sorry and, you know, I'll run right up, shower next time.
- [106:30]
Ryan Rosillo
I love how just. Did you say that? No, I'm not gonna argue. No.
- [106:35]
Kyle
I would just be like, damn, you got me. I would have a little shame. You know what I mean? Like, one of my younger brothers would be trying to argue. It's like, I could be over here doing this. Instead, I'm like, no, man, you just have to be like, you got me. Let them say what they have to say and then go about your business, man. Be a little smarter. That's all.
- [106:51]
Ryan Rosillo
I wonder how many parents cared way less about kids getting caught smoking weed than you realize. Like, the first thing is like, oh, my God, gateway drugs, you know? Yeah.
- [107:01]
Kyle
I think.
- [107:02]
Ryan Rosillo
And you also just.
- [107:02]
Kyle
You're like, oh, I have a different kind of kid than I thought. I didn't know he was into that type of. Like, I. I was kind of had some plausible deniability, but here it is.
- [107:10]
Ryan Rosillo
But then once you realize how many parents smoke weed.
- [107:13]
Kyle
Yes.
- [107:13]
Ryan Rosillo
You're kind of like, you know, the hypocrite thing doesn't really work because there's, you know, like, hey, I'd rather you not burn one down. On the way back from this practice at 15 years old, regularly, you know? Yeah, can we talk about that? I remember one time in high school, I went to meet up with some guys, and it was early days, and they all just started ripping trees. And I was like, oh, yeah, I'm not down with this. I don't want to do this. And then I came back, and I got in the car, and my dad picked me up in the truck. I was like, hey, I reek a weed. He's like, yeah, I can tell you.
- [107:53]
Kyle
You're like, but I didn't. I didn't.
- [107:54]
Ryan Rosillo
I was like, I didn't smoke any weed. Just so you know. And he's like, okay, all right, you believe me. And it was also true, too. But I. I can't imagine. I don't know. I don't think he was afraid of it back in the day. Not as an adult, but, you know, 60s. Yeah. Talk about. Your father tells you a story about going to the Chicago riots, you're like, oh, you probably liked weed, too, you know. All right, so poop in a can. Poop it a can. Yeah.
- [108:26]
Kyle
What are your.
- [108:26]
Ryan Rosillo
I think it's wrong.
- [108:27]
Kyle
Yeah, I know you do.
- [108:28]
Ryan Rosillo
It's very wrong. Now, somebody who has a sidewalk, like, the front door of my house is the sidewalk of the house pretty close. So I spend. I mean, if I were really old, maybe my daily entertainment be yelling at people for having their dogs go. And I have, like, iceberg roses, and they're supposed to be mulch, but the mulch is always kicked out because the dogs are constantly in there, shitting, ruining my plants and all that kind of stuff. But rarely, rarely does anyone ever leave one.
- [108:55]
Ceruti
Is that many dogs in there running through there?
- [108:58]
Ryan Rosillo
I have, like, this in California.
- [109:00]
Kyle
A lot of dogs.
- [109:00]
Ryan Rosillo
There's this nice little track, and I live near the beach, obviously, and so people. It's a really prominent walking area, and there's dogs everywhere all the time. And my spot has this. This area on the sidewalk that is like. It's almost like a New York City patch for dogs.
- [109:18]
Kyle
Like, dogs see it and they go.
- [109:19]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, yeah, here we go. Fuck up this guy's roses. Because sometimes I'll ask the landscapers, I go, what's going on with the mulch levels? Like, these are. These are low again. And then everybody just kind of puts their hands up, doesn't say to me, so dogs, man. Yeah, I inherited the crew from the previous owner. I'm just, you know, keeping it going. But yes, it is wrong. It is wrong. And I'm going to leave it at that. I'm just going to say it is wrong to leave it in the trash can of someone else's trash can. And you know what? I expect to hear from dog owners. We'll revisit this on Wednesday.
- [109:55]
Kyle
You have no context. Like, it's like, unless that.
- [109:59]
Ryan Rosillo
I know exactly what's going to happen here. Okay? So I'm going to wait, and we will let this one bake.
- [110:06]
Kyle
Are you going to get a sign.
- [110:07]
Ryan Rosillo
Of dog shit in somebody else's trash can for a week? Yeah. Yeah.
- [110:10]
Kyle
Are you going to get a sign? Curb your dog?
- [110:13]
Ryan Rosillo
You don't want to be sign.
- [110:15]
Kyle
Don't be signed.
- [110:17]
Ryan Rosillo
There's literally nothing I can do. There's nothing, it's true, I can do about it. It is the place I decided to live, and there are far more great things about it than bad things. It is a little frustrating, and it's a little annoying that everyone kind of looks at the patch in front of my house going like, oh, here we go. So I gave up. I wouldn't yell at anybody. No. But again, my dog thing is very complicated. My father was a humble carpenter growing up. Everybody knows that. And we would stop and do estimates, and estimates was the worst word ever. You get picked up from school, you get picked up from practice and be like, hey, we got an estimate. And you just go, oh, this is the fucking worst. And I'd always hold the other end of the tape measure. What I didn't realize is I was a marketing ploy because it made the homeowner feel like, oh, he's got this little coated kid here, and he's. Look at him holding the tape measure. And he's so cute, quiet, whatever. And I would be attacked by strangers, dogs, multiple times a week for those formative, like, hey, this animal doesn't seem like a great time. So everybody else loved dogs and kids love dogs and all I would be like, just getting mauled because I was new. I was the smallest target. And then, of course, oh, he's really friendly. He gets really excited to meet new people. Meanwhile, just scratches and saliva and ball sniffing and the whole thing. And you just go like, imagine doing that multiple times a week from age 4 to 12. When I think I finally could be like, I don't have to do this anymore.
- [111:48]
Kyle
You finally stood up to him.
- [111:51]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't want to go on the estimate. I had his sister. Okay.
- [111:54]
Kyle
She was a better marketing ploy then. Okay, well, I think it's funny with the signs. I know we're pretty much done here, but I would walk my grandmother's dog for her a lot in la. Nice neighborhood. And some houses were like, they would just have the signs like, don't, don't go here. And then don't even go on the patch on the sidewalk. Like, you know how it's like your house sidewalk, and then there's a little patch towards the curb. They're like, don't even go on this patch. It's like, I just think it's, you know, pretty ballsy to be like, don't use this part of the street. We all know that people's dogs are going to have to go somewhere, but not on my patch.
- [112:27]
Ryan Rosillo
Don't you dare. Yeah. And then, look, I know we're going to get some people like, hey, the patch, the sidewalk that's actually owned by the city. Like. Okay, well, cool. I have a landscaping bill. I can forward them. All right. That'll do it for the show. We have a lot of other stuff that we need to get to some some big news. And maybe we'll put up one of those wine logos there if you get it approved from, from the winery. Thanks to Tom, thanks to Kevin, thanks to Kyle and Cerutty. I hope everybody gearing up on a Monday after that holiday stretch like that, it's always a tough one. So hopefully you enjoyed the show. Please subscribe. The RYAN Rossillo Show Barstool Sports.