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The Ryen Russillo Show
The Bills’ Best Shot & the #1-Seed Bears, Plus Joel Klatt on Lane Kiffin to LSU & Fixing the CFB Playoff
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The print the shirts quote because the warriors were new and they get down to Memphis 2 one of the series and people are like, yep, here we go. You know, Memphis is just too tough for them. This style won't translate to postseason success. And I was like, yeah, whatever. I'm like, I think they're awesome. I think they're going to win the whole thing. Print the shirts. So I don't know that I have any Print the shirt slogans for especially when you look at this AFC group. Because when you think about new with players, we're way different with newness of players. Like the excuses you'll make for a new quarterback because you just hope it works out. Same thing happens with NBA draft picks. Like the benefit of the doubt that you'll give anybody be like, man, Jerome Luiso looks really athletic though. So we do this all the time with players, but we don't do the same thing with teams. At least I know that I don't. And so when you wake up today and you look at the Bears being the number one seed in the NFC and like, this is a nice story, but really, the Bears and then depending on what happens tonight with the Patriots and of course, that Denver game last night, overtime in Washington. I mean, there's a scenario where the number one seeds in both conferences are the Bears and the Pats. And we're like two thirds of the way through the season. Like, is this really happening? Of course Denver wins a close one in Washington because that's all they ever do is just win every single close game. But I don't think it's a knock on the Broncos to go. I don't. I don't think anybody be afraid of that team in the playoffs. So it got me to thinking about the Buffalo Bills. And really what I want to talk about here is if you think back historically, the Bills problems, it's been one guy. It's Patrick Mahomes who's beat them four of the last five years in the playoffs. The other year being that burrow season, Casey's loss to Dallas after being excited about them saving their season against the Colts. Dallas, by the way, how about this team put together a nice run? I mean, maybe it's just their nice run, but when you think about where they were defensively when they played the Bears, where it felt like the Bears could have scored 50 in the beginning of the season, their defense isn't good now, but at least in the last three, it's 19th. It's the number one offense in the league. They were 29th in defense at one point. But after that win by Dallas, again, Kansas City's loss, Kansas City's playoff odds, depending on which simulator you want to look at, let's just put it in the mid-30s. I've got 36%. Chiefs have a 36% chance of making the playoffs, so they may not be around. And as I'm watching the Bills score three points in the first half against the Steelers team that, you know, isn't. They're just not that good. And you're like, what? It's like, are you guys. And then I'm starting to sit. I'm like, are the Bills not good in the game that we do every single week with this league? So they're down seven three at the half. And I'm like, well, maybe the Bills aren't good. They lost to Miami. They lost to Atlanta. They scored 27 points combined against those teams. Yes, I know Miami's a little bit better now. We'll probably get to that. The loss at Houston doesn't mean anything now. Houston's really good. They're the best defense in the league. They're four and two at home. They've got stroud back. Another fun exercise is like, look at Stroud's numbers this year and look back to his rookie year, but we just never. Now granted, he missed time this year, but like, Stroud's a complete afterthought. And he might be the exact same guy from his rookie year, but because Stroud was new, was like, man, this guy can do anything. Because that's just not supposed to happen in this league very often. Even though it's starting to feel like that with younger quarterbacks all over the place. That's another topic. Maybe a Wednesday monologue. So, you know, you've got Houston picking things up. They beat the Colts yesterday. Maybe the Colts are falling apart or maybe it's just better competition. They're two games through the roughest four game stretch of the entire year. But as the Bills come out at halftime, I'm like, they have three points. Do they not realize what's happening in the AFC around them? Well, first play, Bosa kills Rogers. Rogers has got blood coming down his nose. I actually felt bad for Rogers the way I used to, like when I was a little kid and I'd see a heavyweight get his ass kicked and somehow I just always feel bad for the fighter that just got killed. And then Roger said in the post game that it was kind of the receiver's fall. Although, look, if the receivers aren't showing up to team meetings and they're not watching film and they're running the wrong routes, he would know better than I would. I guess there was just a bit of a tone. And then watching Rogers struggle all season, I was like, is it really all on these other guys? However they turn the game around on that play, they score the rest of the second half. And so the Bills win this game. And I'm going, you know, this is really setting up great for Buffalo. You've got Baltimore, who was out of the playoffs until Pittsburgh lost that game, and now they're leading the division. Baltimore feels like they're going to win the division. They've got two more here against the Steelers. I don't think anybody likes the Steelers. You've got the Kansas City numbers that we've already run through. And so if you're the Bills, you're looking at a group of Denver, New England, Jacksonville, who won again and destroyed a Chargers team that I don't know that anybody necessarily likes and they won yesterday and now this Colts team. So that's five teams there that are standing in front of the Bills and getting to the Super Bowl. Like, why? Why would I pick Any of those teams against the Bills. So all of this newness where you could have burrow, likely Mahomes maybe, and Lamar, who may be in the playoffs, but these guys could be watching. Lamar is his own topic. He doesn't run the football anymore, at least not the way that he used to or the way we're accustomed to. If you look at his career numbers, you know, 60 yards per game on average, that he would run the football throughout his career. He's at 29 yards per game this season, his lowest yards per carry since his rookie year. One rushing touchdown. Look, he's had one run of 19 yards. That's his longest run of the season. And he's actually off target more on his throws than at any point in his career. So whether it's the injury stuff, with Lamar Mahomes feeling like he can't save this team, all of these other quarterbacks, that Josh Allen is far superior. So the quarterbacks on his level, when you start the season, you're doing your pretty season work and going, all right, who's in. Who's in Josh Allen's way? Who are his contemporaries? None of those teams feel like any kind of threat at all. So Buffalo's the seven seed, and it feels like this sets up better for Buffalo than any of these years for them entering the playoffs. The only problem is this is probably the worst Buffalo team since the 2020 team, if you look at the defensive numbers. Because when you run through 21, through up and through last season, where they were points, four points against just an elite team that couldn't beat Kansas City, they have Allen, the defense isn't as good. So even though it sets up because of all these new entries that we could have in the AFC playoff picture, teams that I don't think anyone nationally is like, oh, no, like, you have to go to Jacksonville. How are you going to beat Bo Nix? Is it really New England and Drake May, or is it the schedule? I mean, May has been incredible, right? So I may want to pick Allen and the Bills to get through this if they end up being in the playoffs. It'd just be nice if Buffalo was a lot better like they've been the previous four years. Best win of the season. Season. When we did the seating thing with Big Cat, we were like, all right, let's do NFL seating, college football style. He gave Denver the one seed. I didn't even have him in it. Because of their win at Philadelphia. The Bears win at Philadelphia was even more impressive. The Bears ran for more yards against a Vic Fangio defense than any team has since 2005. I do wonder sometimes how I don't think I'm the only person that does this, but how we all talk about the Eagles defense and that. Do I think they're awesome? Because I think all of the guys were awesome in college probably now. Do I think they still have enough talent to be a real factor? Yeah, I do. I mean, this is.
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Kyle
This.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like, it's a lot of the guys from last year that just won a Super Bowl. So I don't think it's smart to just go, yeah, it's a completely overrated unit. I just can't believe the Bears were going to beat Philadelphia at their place. I didn't think it was going to be gashing them for almost 300 yards on the ground. And even when I think about, like, could I possibly think all the Georgia guys are overrated? Like, Jalen Carter got caught by Caleb Williams on the hard count. And then I think Carter was so mad that he just blew up everything and killed the running back on the next play. I was like, all right, there he is. We're good. So I really think that that's the best win, maybe of the entire season, considering what we're asking ourselves is, like, who the Bears actually are. Because there's a lot of Bear stuff that you could dig into. They're running the ball great. The offensive line seems to be getting better. They're somehow keeping this defense going. It's not as good as it was last year with all their injuries. You know, they're missing their best corner as one of the best players in the league. But I really think it was that kind of a statement where I'm going, what is even possible for this team. But again, it's new. Chicago's new. Is anyone going to pick them if they're the one seed? Is anyone picking that team to represent the nfc? Green Bay, who everybody likes again. Jordan Love's numbers are terrific. They beat Detroit, who's now 7 and 5. I think that's in the mix. Usually we do worse loss. I'm going to offer up something new, worse win. Miami wins again. They started 1 6, 2 and 7. They fire their general manager. All of this looks dead. And now, you know, they've won four of their last five. We did see the Baltimore game, All of us, Right? Cause it was prime time. Everybody's watching. You're like, God, the Dolphins suck. And that was like, the only bad game out of the last five. McDaniel. The report is the head coach is Coming back to the pain on the contract, the exit is after 26. It's not after this year. So it feels like this little flurry from the Dolphins is going to trick everyone into thinking, like, I don't know how many people are going to be tricked by it, but I guess they're just going to run this whole thing back next year. And it kind of feels a little pointless. Let's do some numbers for you.
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Ceruti
Do you know how easy this is for me?
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Ryan Rosillo
Do you have any fucking idea how easy this. This is a fucking joke. Miles Garrett average is just under 1.6 sacks per per game. He's got 19 now. He's on pace for 27 sacks this season, which would set the record. His move against Trent Williams, if I was doing like film break, I would, I would play that play first. He does basically a Euro hop step at his size with his speed, where he's averaging, I think the quickest get off of any player on the defensive line in the entire league. And Trent Williams, who's an all timer, he sets him up outside. It just must be awesome to have moves and be a defensive end where you're just practicing your different moves. You're like, all right, I'm going to bring this one out in the third quarter. And this is my, this is my Mariano Rivera, where it's just fourth quarter, third down, the closer move. And I've been setting you up outside. I've been setting you up outside. Although I imagine the funniest part is like when there's a six round edge guy who's just not that good and he's practicing a million different moves and the defensive line coach would just be like, hey, can you just do anything that works? Reminds me of Rolando Vieira, who the Red Sox signed in the early 2000s. He was probably a lot older than his birth certificate said. And he was talking with pitching coach Joe, Joe Kerrigan, and he. They were doing this feature, it was like some ESPN feature. And Vieira was explaining all of his pitches. He was like, oh, I've got the fastball, I've got the cutter, I've got the slider. I've got a curve. I've got a. I've got slur, I've got this. And then he started like naming all his pitches. And Kerrigan's like, oh, my God, you have seven pitches. This is amazing. And of course, all the Red Sox fans, because it was new, right, Were like, this is going to be unbelievable. El Duque who? And then I was in the minor League system as an announcer, not as a player. And he actually had one pitch and it went 86, 87 miles an hour. And it didn't do any of those things. Miles Garrett is not Orlando Vieira. All right, final thought here on some PFF grades. I know there's been this kind of shift now where the ex players despise PFF grades. If you've seen it on social media. I think my guy Chris Long did like a very fair and, you know, non emotional breakdown of it. I've seen offensive linemen get a touch more emotional about some of these grades. And the world may have shifted a bit on the PFF grades during the NBC broadcasts when DeAndre Hopkins was ranked as the 10th best receiver in the NFL according to PFF. And look, these guys know way more about football than I'll ever know, so I'm not suggesting the entire thing, but it was, it was a tough look for him last night with that Denver defense. Zach Allen, number 47, Benito, number 26, Sir Tan, number 29. Certain is so fucking good that I'm embarrassed to think that any other corner was even at his level. But it did feel like there was a bit of a shift. All right, final thought here. This is a new award, the Dan Gadzarich award. You may remember the big man in the NBA first came in the league as Dan Gadzurik, and then years later he was Dan Gadzareach. And that happens with Euros a lot. Starting to get a little comfortable, grab a few rebounds. You're like, you know what, folks, I know it's been three years, but here's how to pronounce my name. Did that happen last night with Marcus Mariota? I imagine if Tirico's giving you a little bit more emphasis than the Mariota, that that means to Rico's right. Like I would just assume anything having to do with anything verbal to Rico's right. It's like when the spurs back in the day used to draft a player I didn't like. I'd be like, I guess I'm just wrong. But yeah, it felt like there was a little emphasis. Eleven seasons in would be a record for a change in pronunciation. But it does remind my good friend Joe Tessitore. Tess back in the day, he was like, it's Mario Ta when he was at Oregon. I was like, I don't think I'm going to do that. It's official. The big shack is out now. And you know, because I've been telling you it's a serious burger, two Angus beef patties, three buns. New secret sauce. It's stacked, balanced and built the right way. You get everything you expect from Shake Shack. Fresh ingredients, that toasted potato bun and sauce that pulls the whole thing together for 999. It's kind of wild how much burger you're getting, especially one that doesn't taste like typical fast food. It's big, it's fresh and it's legit. One of their best burgers ever. I did it. I hit up the Shake Shack near my place post gym. We actually filmed an ad for it. Don't think they're going to run this one. Need to tighten a couple of things up. But I went right in there at 11am and had myself a Shack burger and a side cheeseburger because no one was looking and it smashed. I smashed it. Didn't need a spot. Over 50 grams of protein. It was everything, man. It was a treat. I usually don't let myself do that that early in the day, but I don't need any workout shake now. If you've been waiting to see what all the hype's about, today's the day. Go to Shake Shack and order the Big Shack. Sounds familiar. Made different. He's one of the best voices in college football. I enjoy him every single Saturday. He also has his own podcast, the Joel Klatt Show. And joining us, the voice of college football for Fox Sports, Joel Klatt. It's good to see you. I feel like I've been over the all season long going to that game. You know, it was kind of like, all right, the only way this is a game is Ohio State has to screw up, which they did last year. And then saying throw is probably the worst pass of his entire season. And you're like, is this actually going to happen? And then the next three quarters are reminder who Ohio State is. So I don't know that you could have learned anything new about them in their dominant win. Was is there anything about this team as they've closed this strongly that you feel whether it's like I kind of feel like sans the best quarterback in the sport right now, Bo Jackson, and who he's become the defensive guys that are going to be in the NFL. Like, is there something about this team later in the season that you've enjoyed even more than who they were at the beginning of the year?
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Joel Klatt
It's a great. That's a great question and framing. Yeah, actually there have been some things lately they more so than anybody else in the country have Provided answers and not created questions with their play. You look at a lot of other games, whether it's A and M or Georgia. At times you can even say this about Oregon, you know, maybe everyone except for Indiana. It's like every time Ohio State plays, it's providing answers. Oh, hey, we don't know if their run game is that great. Oh, here's a 20 play drive. 16 of them runs in the snow against Michigan for 11 and a half minutes. Oh, okay. So like they can run the football. Hey, we don't know if Julian sand can handle adversity. Oh, he throws a pick on his second passing attempt on the road. They're down six nothing and he comes out and he does, he has two incompletions his next 21 attempts. Oh, okay. So he can, he can handle that moment and he can handle that situation. Answers. Oh, hey, look, they, they got gashed in the run game a couple of times. Oh, they changed their front and they provided an answer and they immediately shut down that offense and totally dominate the game. So every time I watch them on film cover one of their games, I'm more confident in the complete nature of their team. They're good against the run on defense, they're good against the pass on defense. They can run it on offense, they can throw it on offense. And what I find interesting is that they can do so on command. So think of it like this, Ryan against Penn State, it's a three point game coming out of halftime and they decide, you know what, we're going to go to fifth gear. And it's just like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And it's pinball passing game right down the field. Big lead. Here we go. It was on demand. You know, they, they decided that's what they wanted to be at the moment. Now you go into the game against Michigan, it's snowing, the conditions are bad. It's an eight point gets a one possession game and what happens? You know, they get the touchdown to Tate and then they decide we're going to take the entire air out of the building. We're going to run it 16 out of 20 times on command. They dominate on the ground. So providing answers and not creating questions is what I've learned about Ohio State.
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Ryan Rosillo
Look at them then in comparison to the other contenders and however long that list is, I'm with you. It feels like Ohio State against the field, which, and I'm just too much of like something can go wrong. So I probably always take the field.
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Joel Klatt
Definitely going to win. But yeah, Right, right. Just means they're the favorite.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, and they should be. So I can't wait for this game against Indiana. I feel completely different about Indiana this year than last year. I think everybody should feel, you know, anybody that doubted them last year, I understand it. This year, that doubt should not carry over. They're. Look, the schedule hasn't been daunting down the stretch, but they've destroyed these teams, which I think is a really good indicator of how good you can be. So how do you see this matchup?
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Joel Klatt
Well, let me start by giving Indiana their due, because the only other team that's as complete and has as many answers is Indiana, and they're more tested than Ohio State. You can make a strong argument that the two best individual wins in all of college football all season long are Alabama at Georgia and Indiana at Oregon. Those two wins are phenomenal wins. Okay. You know, Texas beats A and M at home, you know, so it's like those two wins in the location that they happened were exceptional. Indiana also goes to Iowa and gets a win. Indiana also goes to Penn State. And they've got. So they're tested. This group is. Is not going to be afraid of anything thrown at them on Saturday against Ohio State. They're elite at quarterback. I think Fernando Mendoza is likely going to be the number one quarterback taken in the draft based on the conversations I have with scouts around the league. They can run it. Their offensive line is better than they were a year ago. Their defense is experienced, they're exceptional, and they run a unique type of scheme that makes it really tough to move the football. Lots of zone. Zone blitzes. They roll away from a great corner. D' Angelo Ponds, and they allow him to cover one half of the field so they can produce numbers on the other half of the field. So all of these, like, Indiana is just a. A really good football team, and I think they are the biggest threat to Ohio State in the country. I think what we're seeing is the absolute one and two teams in the country, and it wouldn't shock me, based on how the game goes, if they remain 1 and 2 even after the game.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I. I would love for the voters if this is a really close outcome in the Big Ten championship game to go. You know what? Like, we penalize teams way too much for losing to a team that they're probably supposed to lose to. And if it's competitive, you know, there's just certain times in the rankings, like a team goes and play their 15th and they play the top five team in the country at their place. They lose by a touchdown. It's like, so now you're going to drop them. You're going to drop them five spots. Like, I hate that. So, you know, I think that's a bit of human nature there. I. If I were doing a poll today, I would be tempted to have Oregon as the number three team in the country.
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Joel Klatt
I actually did. I put out mine. I'm glad you said that because everyone just calls me a big ten homer.
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Ryan Rosillo
I've said that. But I think it's right this year.
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Joel Klatt
You know, and I looked at their November. Ryan, you probably did as well. You looked at what they did in November, the locations that they won the games, the fashion in which they won the games. And like it's. And then you looked at what Georgia did, and as impressive as they were in some outings, you know, then they gained 260 yards and score 16 against Georgia Tech. And you're like, wait, got like, come on, like, what are we doing?
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Ryan Rosillo
Especially looking at Tex defense, which is the point you were going to make, right? Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
42 against Pitt. You know that they gave up the week prior. So based on consistency and play at the current time, that's what I did. I went Ohio State, Indiana and Oregon and then Georgia right behind that.
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Ryan Rosillo
I couldn't get past it with Oregon's. You know, when you look at the best parts of Georgia's season and what their loss is to a team like Bama, three points shut them out in the second half. Granted, it's at home, but this Oregon team, especially that Iowa win, where, you know, you'd have to watch Iowa enough throughout the season.
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Joel Klatt
Hold on just a sec. Because it isn't. You could make an argument that Oregon's loss is a more impressive loss. It was Indiana. I know it was at home. Georgia lost at home. Oregon lost at home. One was to Bama, one was to Indiana. I mean, if we're saying that Indiana is a bonafide top two team, isn't Oregon's loss at home more, you know, explained than Georgia's to Alabama? Who, by the way, Alabama is incredibly flawed.
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Ryan Rosillo
Look, I. I think that's fair. I guess I just felt like even though it was a close game, I think you got.
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Joel Klatt
I think you got wrapped up in the brands there. To be fair. To be fair. Like the Oregon loss at home is much more explainable than Georgia's lost Alabama. Alabama is so much more flawed than Indiana.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, no doubt. But I think Indiana was in control of that game for the entire game. And There was a pick six makes a 2020. And it just didn't feel right. Like as I was watching that game, I'm going to. I can't believe this game is 2020. Like Indiana's been the superior.
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Joel Klatt
Georgia should have beat Alabama. They dropped the pass right down the middle of the field. The fourth down was a bad play call, you know, like they had, they had their chances to come back and win that game and didn't.
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Ryan Rosillo
I would say the Tennessee, Ole Miss, Texas and Georgia Tech wins. True. With Tex defense.
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Joel Klatt
Like, I'll give you that.
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Ryan Rosillo
If you were doing blind resume. Blind resume, I don't know that you'd ever pick. Look, I'm actually more on your side on this one. But the reason why I ultimately was like, you know, this is the thing is sometimes I'm giving resume too much relevance and then other times I'm like, hey, I just think this team's better than this team and this is what I'd want to do. But I'm not going to be consistent through 12. There's no way I'd be consistent through 12 with the same application.
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Joel Klatt
And the committee can't either. And they're in the same pickle because you can tell that they want, I think you probably agree with this. They want to use itest and film. You can tell like they want. They, they don't want Notre Dame in some sort of argument because they're like, no, no, no, no. We just believe that they're where they need to be. Even though if you look at the resume and you look at the on field result, you know, it's like, well, the Miami win over Notre Dame should play out in Miami's favor and it's not. And it's because the committee is saying no. We just believe based on the itest in our film study that that Notre Dame is, is better. And yet the committee will lean on resume in other cases and they'll say, well, this team has to be in because of X number of wins against ranked opponents, so on and so forth. To what I really despise, I will be really candid. I despise this moment every year. And it becomes a propaganda politicking moment and we don't play it on the field. I would rather Steve Sarkeesian not have to sit behind a podium and talk about his impressive resume, which is his job and prerogative. And he should do this because this is the model that we've been in. I'd rather him be under the headset and playing. I believe that we should have a defined path to the playoff. I believe that we should have play in games within conferences this weekend, not just conference championship games, so that Miami would be able to play Duke and you know, BYU would play Utah. If you just seeded it out and you had some automatic bursts here and there, we would have a play in weekend where all these teams could go and make the argument on the field and not behind the podium. So you know, I know that went in a direction that I'm sure you didn't expect it to, but no, I.
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Ryan Rosillo
I was going to get there. So let's just go with it now because I mean, everybody can make fun of every single coach this time of year. And I know that probably back in the day when I had the daily radio show, you'd be like, oh, can you believe what so and so said? And then finally you get to the point, like, what is he supposed to say? What is Sark supposed to say after his third top 10 win? He's going to go, yeah. You know what though, that Florida loss, like, I don't know what the hell happened. I think the Texas argument isn't so much even about the Florida loss and how it compares to other teams losses. It's just there's a lot of weeks there too where they didn't look like a great team. I mean, it's still hilarious to think against Oklahoma they weren't even ranked because everybody was just so sick of them at that point. But they have some really good high end stuff with this. But the Duke thing, like that's the ACC's fault. I could make fun of Manny Diaz at 7 and 5 going, hey, we deserve a shot at play. But what is he supposed to say? Of course, if anything, when you look through it, because I was looking at it, you had those five teams at 6 and 2. Dukes played UVA, who they got smashed by, didn't play. SMU, didn't play, Miami, didn't play. Pitt lost at Georgia Tech, they lost to Tulane with their players. They lost to UConn, they got destroyed by Illinois. And because they had the better opponents, conference winning percentage, they're playing for a chance in the playoff and they have Miami spot. So I mean, this is one of those tiebreaker scenarios where this is kind of connected but kind of its own thing. All of the conferences kind of deserve this. Like, sure, you're the ones that set this up. You're the ones that have this imbalance, whether it was Indiana last year or A and M this year, who in a way you can look at it being like, you know, maybe it's good they lost to Texas because if you look at their SEC experience compared to some of these other teams, like this is all of their faults for allowing this to happen. So in your scenario with the play in and teams not in the conference championship, so you're not adding multiple, you're just adding one more game for teams. Would it just be assigned by the conference? Like, how would that play out?
- [31:33]
Joel Klatt
Okay, so this is, and this is a model I talked about this summer and I know I just threw it out there, but I am in favor of an access based, defined path playoff. I think it should be 14 teams. I think we should have two buys at the top. The one and two seed. The one and two seed should be. And again, you could poke holes in this. And I'm not saying that it's perfect, but the top two seeds would be the Big Ten champ and the SEC champ. And so those two championship games would take place as they do now, you know, basically one versus two in the conference. And the winner would get a buy and a top two seed in the playoff. The loser would go to the playoff automatically. Then what you would have is play in games everywhere else. And there's four spots for the Big Ten, four spots for the SEC, two each in the ACC in the Big 12, which they would never agree to. But I think it's the best model and it's probably the most correct model. So the play in games would look like this. If you're in the top six seeds in the SEC or the Big Ten, you would get a chance to play a play in game. So this weekend, Iowa would go to Oregon. Winner goes. This weekend Michigan would go back to usc. Winner goes. This weekend Oklahoma would go to Ole Miss. Winner goes. Texas would go back to A and M after beating them this week, winner goes. My question or yeah, my question would be, hey, Texas fans, would you rather have a chance on the field in 60 minutes against a and M or take your chances with 13 people behind closed doors in a committee room? You know, and I think that they would much rather have their chances on the field and the Big 12. It would look like this. Houston at Texas Tech, Utah at byu. Winner goes. At Utah and byu. Would you like that opportunity? Probably. And the ACC would be Georgia Tech against Virginia, Miami against Duke. Winner goes. You'd have two out large spots for the Group of 5 champion. They would get in and then I would take the next highest ranked team, which is Vanderbilt, and say, hey, you played Notre Dame. Winner Goes. So we would be playing all those games and we'd be creating a 14 team playoff on the field with a defined path versus having this selection based model and having these arguments about what resume is better or what eye test is better. I think it would be a better version for the fans and it would be a better version for the players.
- [33:49]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, we know we don't like the computers, we know we don't like the people. So maybe the games, anything. Look, I don't like that it's 12. I don't like that we're sitting here arguing about Vandy, BYU and Utah and maybe even Texas.
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Joel Klatt
You think they're too flawed? Is that what you're saying? That's like this is too much, it's too expanded.
- [34:07]
Ryan Rosillo
Look, if this, if the 12 team playoff played out for 20 years, okay, you would have years. You're like, that team is still alive for a chance at a national championship. And that is my problem. It's not the years. Like again, my whole thing is that flawed systems don't show their flaws in the years the flaws are exposed. Like they're, they're. And I'm not asking for perfect because that's impossible. I just know that if we had 20 years of this with 12 teams, we'd be, we'd be like, this year it's actually too crowded, right? It feels like teams are going to be left out that are worthy. I just think a national championship is so special and that if you've proven that you're not remotely special through the 12 games and maybe the conference game, like again, these would be the teams that wouldn't be in a conference championship game. I just don't like the idea that it's like, okay, but now you're also invited with these other guys for a chance at a national championship and people say, hey you. The NFL has that. Like, I don't like that either. Okay, but that's a different topic. So go ahead.
- [35:02]
Joel Klatt
I don't know if, I don't know if you can solve all problems. So let's start with that premise, right? I think every playoff model has its downsides in every sport. And I think that's part of the problem in college is that we try to create this like perfect scenario. It's like we don't want to leave a team out. It's like, well, sometimes teams are left out.
- [35:20]
Ryan Rosillo
I want to leave teams out on the record, by the way.
- [35:23]
Joel Klatt
And sometimes you include teams that shouldn't. Right. Based on these, these flawed systems. And I hear what you're saying. And so what I'm hearing you say is like in 23, you were like, hey, you know, sorry, two time defending champ Georgia with one loss to Bama. It's just like it is what it is. You lost the game and now you're not in the four team playoff. And I think some people in college football wanted to quote right that wrong and go to the expanded version. I think that we get more arguments of flawed resumes the more we expand. Like the answer to this year's playoff is not further expansion. I just vehemently disagree with that. I believe that it is the way the playoff is made, make it a defined path. We know in the NFL how teams go to the playoffs. I also believe to your point about conferences doing this to themselves, I firmly believe that with the size of these conferences, they need to look long and hard about creating schedules based on where you finished the previous year. I think you should play a tougher schedule if you're a better team. You should play an easier schedule if you're a worse team rather than randomly doing it. And Oklahoma having like a ridiculously tough schedule on A and M having a ridiculously weak schedule in the sec. I think it should be based on where you finished the prior year. But these are all discussions that I feel like, get into the weeds and you can lose. You know, some fans are like, what are you talking about? Because the bottom line is our sport has never been more popular and I don't think it's ever been as, as good as. And that's been bearing out in the numbers when people are consuming it and interested in it. And I'm thankful for that.
- [37:11]
Ryan Rosillo
I want to always wonder sometimes if all of this is actually always good for the sport. The same way that people complain about player empowerment in the NBA. It's like these guys can just, I mean, it used to be, yeah, I want out. And then it's like you can sign an extension and then ask out before the extension kicks in. Like, that's bold. And then that actually became kind of normal. And yet it was, you could argue, really good for the sport. It was all the drama and it was all the bs but that's part of the college football thing. That made it a fun topic. It's a fun topic to discuss. But whenever I think of somebody's like, oh, somebody has to be in charge, I want to get to Lane, I want to get to some of these other things, it's like, well, somebody needs to be in charge of this. I don't know that the people that are kind of in charge of their geographic area want any one person to tell them what they can or can't do.
- [38:00]
Joel Klatt
No, of course they don't.
- [38:01]
Ryan Rosillo
So this dream idea of like one person needs to be in charge of college football, why would any of the people that are just making it up as they go along, why would they want anyone to tell them they can't do the things they've been doing the last few years? It's never going to happen.
- [38:15]
Joel Klatt
To your point about Steve Sarkeesian, he should say that because that's who he's representing, is Texas. Like, he should go out there and he has to. He has to. It's his job. More power to him. He absolutely should. And his players expect him to. Everybody in the SEC expects Greg Sankey to make the best possible deal for them, not for college football for them. That's his job. Same thing with Tony Petiti, the commissioner of the Big Ten. The Big Ten programs and athletic directors and presidents expect him to make the best possible moves for them, not for the sport for them. And that's how we are being kind of governed and run. There is one, one entity that has enough power and leverage to wrestle some of that away from the conference commissioners, and that's the cfp. The CFP as it's currently constructed could be a centralizing body in college football. It could be an entity that started to strip away rights to non conference games and own those themselves and start setting up non conference games for team and all sorts of different things. Now will that happen? I don't know. But what I do know is that in this current makeup, we will continue to put band aids over bullet wounds. And what we're seeing right now is car wrecks in college football. Duke possibly going to the playoff as a car wreck. Guys, the ACC possibly missing the playoff entirely, if they were to win is a car wreck.
- [39:47]
Ryan Rosillo
Would you, by the way, would you have Duke in, if you, would you be arguing Duke to be a playoff team if you were in the committee?
- [39:53]
Joel Klatt
No. Gross. Sorry. Like, no, Duke is not a good enough team to be in the College Football Playoff. I know, I know that could be controversial, but I would take a JMU and north, you know, whatever the American champion ends up being, I would take that. I, I was just going to say, also, we have allowed the car wreck of a coach leaving in the middle of a playoff run to start being like, well, no, we need to fix the calendar. It's like, well, we've known the calendar has been broken for Quite some time. And we're just always in college football going to wait for car wrecks in order to fix things. And then everyone fix that. Fixes things with only their region in mind. And so we get solutions that aren't great for the entirety of the sport.
- [40:43]
Ryan Rosillo
What did you think of the Lane story this week and his decision?
- [40:47]
Joel Klatt
His decision is his. You know, like, I don't begrudge any man that decision. If he wanted to. To leave, he wanted to leave. And in that sense, does the calendar make it the story that it is? Yes, but that's still not the calendar's fault, because there are consequences to decisions, and that doesn't make it a less selfish decision. Right. He left a playoff team high and dry as the play caller. Sorry, guys. You know, I need to go over here for my future. And Ole Miss says, well, for our future, you can't coach the playoff. Both understandable. If I was Ole Miss, I wouldn't let him coach the playoff. There's no way. But no one is focusing on the narrow aspect of just this year. Every Lane's got his future in mind. Ole Miss has their future in mind. And the players are sitting there looking at this through a straw, and they're saying, well, like, well, we're just trying to win a game here. We're just trying to win a couple of games and potentially win a national championship. And maybe Pete Golding is the guy to do it. I think Lane dents his credibility with this move. I also think he was a big fish in a small pond. The guys that you would want to hire, the first guys on the list, the top four or five guys on the list were not available. Therefore, Lane became the top name on the list. Again, big fish, small pond, you would have called Kirby Smart. You would have called Ryan Day. You would have called Dan Lanning, Kurt Signetti, Marcus Freeman, maybe even Steve Sarkeesian. All these guys have won at a higher clip than Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin has not won a conference. He has not been to a college football playoff, and yet he was treated in this cycle as if he was Nick Saban. He was Nick Saban because everybody else put their hand down. He's the only one that left his hand up and said, no, no, no, I'm willing to leave a playoff team. Rhett Lashley was unwilling to do so at smu. Kurt Signetti was unwilling to do so at Indiana. Mike Elko was unwilling to do so at Texas A and M. Dan Lanning was unwilling to do so at Oregon. You knew you Couldn't get Ryan Day or Kirby Smart. So here's Lane taking advantage of an opportunity in the spotlight, which he has never shied from that. That's all well and good, but I will just. I would just caution. Every coach will now be able to recruit against that. They will say, why would you commit to Lane if he's never going to commit to you? Because at the next possible opportunity, when the Dallas Cowboys call or the Miami Dolphins call, he's going to say, well, of course I have to guy go, guys, it's for my future.
- [43:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I mean, I've heard all of the different. Like, that's the old Saban thing where he was joking. Everybody in the conference started saying, hey, if you go to Alabama, like, Saban's retiring next year, then the player would ask Saban and be like, are you going to be here next year? And then Saban was like, with the transfer portal, I'd be like, are you going to be next year? So, you know, I understand, like, Lane, the per. Like, the Lane resume is tough to defend for how quickly he is like, all right, I'm on to this next thing. He's wanted the LSU job for years. I think there's a lot of kids in Louisiana that go to Louisiana because it's the home state school. So if Brian Kelly can still hang in recruiting with his approach, I'm sure Lane will be able to handle that part of the recruiting thing. You brought up Ryan Day. Not like that was a real possibility and you would know it better because you've done so many Ohio State and I imagine the pre production thing. But if you were ever going to get Ryan Day after the Michigan loss last year, might have been the week to call and be like, hey, do you want to get out of there?
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Joel Klatt
Do you want out of there? You might have been like, yes, absolutely.
- [44:16]
Ryan Rosillo
So I also think that LSU loves fucking with Ole Miss on the precipice.
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Joel Klatt
Of a playoff run might be part of that. And. And by the way, this. This may work.
- [44:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
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Joel Klatt
You know, I mean, it may work. They turn. They might turn into a juggernaut, and then they're going to point and say, like, see, guys, of course it will work. I'm not saying this won't work. I'm just saying it's dirty. You know, it feels dirty, feels nasty, and that's okay. You know, Lane's good for the sport and I like him personally. None of this, I don't feel like, is a personal attack. The decision he made is a selfish one. And that's okay. You know, Lane made a selfish decision and Ole Miss did too. And unfortunately, as a former player, I sit there and think about Trinidad Chambliss and those guys and they're like, we put ourselves in position to do something really, really special. And now I don't know if they're going to be able to do that. Not without their play caller. You know, he was a big part of that and his entire offensive staff leaving, I mean, who's going to coach him? Hell, I'll come down and help you guys out. Like, I mean, you know, feel bad for those kids.
- [45:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, you're right about that. I mean the whole thing is dirty. But I understand the motivations behind every party decision with all this and I don't blame Ole Miss for going, you know what? We don't want you around here.
- [45:35]
Ceruti
That's right.
- [45:35]
Ryan Rosillo
Especially, you know, that's the part of the bargain with Lane. But there's just too many people, especially offensive guys. Like I remember being on sidelines for certain games and year round like, you know, guys like you guys that played at a high level and they would watch some of the stuff that Lane was doing that I can't identify and just like shaking their head going, he's, he's that good.
- [45:57]
Joel Klatt
Oh Ryan, he's. He's a top to Saturday offensive coach.
- [46:03]
Ryan Rosillo
Like his the other guy sign.
- [46:06]
Joel Klatt
No, from just a play calling perspective, it was Ryan. Now I know that he kind of gave some of that up to Brian Hartline this year. But just in terms of like the, the knack for calling the right play at the right time. Lane and, and Ryan Day were the best. Right behind them was probably, is probably Sark.
- [46:26]
Ryan Rosillo
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- [48:40]
Joel Klatt
You know, I thought it's interesting because I was watching the game and as they got into that sequence of downs on second down, I remember thinking to myself like I think he would go for it here and only because of his history. Let's not forget like he was in an Apple cup in 23, that undefeated year with pinnocks that they ultimately went to the national championship game. He went for it on his own side of the 50 with like a crazy.
- [49:06]
Ryan Rosillo
Was it like at the 30 or something? Ridiculous.
- [49:08]
Joel Klatt
It was. And he did like a fake little pitch back. It was like a end around style play. And so in my mind I thought to myself, like if, if Kalin remains true to his nature, I think that this is, is four down territory and this is one of those deals that if it works, you look like a genius and everyone's like, oh man, this is great. And if it didn't, you know, they'd be running them out of town and that's the risk that you take as a coach. But yeah, even in the sequence of downs I had this hunch that this was four down territory or even kind of a four down drive. You got the sense. It's like watching a Ryan Day game or a Lane Kiffin game. You get the sense for their blueprint and their fingerprint and you're like, this feels like one of those Kaelin moments. And that's kind of how I viewed it when I was watching the game. So I wasn't shocked by it and I'm not surprised that it worked.
- [50:00]
Ryan Rosillo
So let me, let me throw some thoughts at you on this one because I was expecting, like, you know, I don't. I don't post a lot, but I. It was just so absurd watching that game play out. And anybody that knows the Iron bowl history, it's like Auburn going to have the worst team ever and they have the greatest team ever. And for whatever reason, that's again why Saban thinks it's haunted. We've seen plenty of results from that game where you're like, I can't believe this is a game. I guess you could probably argue a little bit on like Auburn making the change at quarterback, getting Hugh out of there and that defense, like that might be the single best unit of a bad football team in college football, like their guys.
- [50:35]
Joel Klatt
I think I would agree with that. Think about some of the games that they've been in with a bad record. Record and a head coach that's been fired. They had Georgia dead to rights. I mean, you could make a strong case that the SEC replay officials saved Georgia in that game. Like a really strong case because Auburn had him dead to rights. And that stadium, you're right. That's probably the most talented bad team in America.
- [51:02]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm glad you said, I'm glad you agreed. So you didn't think I was just being an SEC homer there. So as I'm watching that game, it's like, okay, well, here we go again. Bama can't run the football. They haven't able to really run the football all season long. And it felt like they got it going a little bit in the beginning of the game where it's like of all the scenarios, Bama running against this Auburn front that doesn't let anybody run against them. But that slowly ended it. It ended up not being something that they could go to. I thought when Simpson hit his head, it was clear that, you know, whether it's a punch and you're rattled and then you come back. So I'm not. I don't want to get back to that peak concussion diagnosis from the couch phase that we had in football for a long time there where it was like everybody was. Was saying that everybody had a concussion. So I don't. I don't know. But then when Simpson ran it into the pylon, it looked like his awareness was shockingly off for a guy that was running in. And he gets killed again, like, right into the chin strap. And I'm like, how could you have not been anticipating any kind of collision here as you're running it to the pylon on that play that, you know, whatever, so you can't run. Simpson's pretty rattled. And by the way, Simpson's one of the toughest quarterbacks in all college football.
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Joel Klatt
Really good player. I love him.
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Ceruti
Love him.
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Ryan Rosillo
And learned about it in the Florida State loss because he got his ass kicked the whole day that day, too, but at least was still out there competing. So I don't know what you would have liked about your matchups other than, hey, do we really think Auburn's going to go the length of the field? And, like, even if it's a field goal, fine. Although it feels like everybody gets in the field goal range now. I. I couldn't believe he did it. And I was expecting somebody to go, hey, on the chart, fourth and two time, this yardage line, it's a go. It's like, yeah, but does the chart say you can't run? Does the chart say that your quarterback seems off? Does the chart say that it's at Jordan Hare, like all of these other things that the chart is never going to say, I can't believe he did it. And, you know, whenever I do, we do a lot of the Big 10 SEC stuff over the years. There's no question to me, the SEC is the deeper conference. But all of these contenders, I've never been more down on their contenders than I am this year. I. Look, I don't know.
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Joel Klatt
You mean, like the top of each conference feels different, but the depth also feels different.
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Ryan Rosillo
Even Bama losing to Michigan two years ago in the playoff, I didn't like Bama because of Milroe. All right. Last year, you know, they don't have anyone in again, depends on kind of what you thought about Texas. It still probably didn't feel like it was a true SEC team. Right. But I don't want to say ever. I don't want to do hyperbole here, but it has been all season long, whether it's A and M in the passing game, whether it's Alabama basically being Ty Simpson. Help us out. Their pass rush has gotten better. Georgia's pass rush not necessarily being there. Whatever you think of Oklahoma, because the resume is incredible, the offense is terrible. This group of SEC contenders is a really unimpressive group in comparison to what we think the top three teams are in the Big Ten.
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Joel Klatt
The. The. The group of contenders is deeper than I can ever remember. The quality of the contenders is also weaker than I can ever remember or at least in modern vintage is is the way that I would put it. And again, as you know, and we've had the discussion when I say that people just think I'm a total Big Ten homer, but I think that that's accurate. This year. There's everybody in the SEC has a really fatal, if you will, or big vulnerability. I believe that to be the case. Let me go back to just real quick because I think by the way.
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Ryan Rosillo
We agree on this and I've been saying it for weeks because usually there's usually one team. Like I started to get that way about George again a little bit and I go, hey, hey, you. You can't do this with Georgia anymore. You can't do with Oklahoma. You can't do it with Bama, even A and M. You know, look, there's so many guys on that defense that I love all the third down numbers and all that stuff, but then sometimes you start thinking about the schedule and everything. So anyway, continue your thought here because this is probably the most aligned we've ever been on this topic.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, yeah. No, and, and it's. I think it's correct. I think we're both correct here and we're on the right side. Let me just go back to that. Bama, fourth down because you started with that and then moved towards the bigger SEC conversation. I do think there's an element of. Because you can't run it and because you know your quarterback is. Is limited or not playing his best or foggy or whatever it is. Right. And I agree with you about the speculation of those types of things. I don't want to speculate either. But when you have a feeling that like we don't have it offensively tonight, when you're in position, you have to take advantage. And so I think that, that it actually encourages moves like fourth down and in those scenarios because you don't know if you're ever going to get back to that spot. Like do we have enough to get back to this moment and in position. Plus I think relying on that defense which had been playing very well and has played a lot better in the second half of the season, I will give Bama a lot of credit because their defense has gotten a lot better during the course of the year. And I think that that'll give Georgia a lot of problems this Saturday in the SEC championship game. There's no doubt in my mind. So that's on that fourth down. Just from a framing of a coach standpoint then you know, when you go to the SEC and the flaws of some of these teams, I'll just put it this way. And this again, I keep saying like everyone calls me an SEC hater. I don't see Oklahoma doing much in this playoff. They are so flawed offensively. They are. If they don't get a big play, like if you pit them up against even Texas Tech this weekend, Oregon this weekend, Indiana this weekend, they're not winning that game, you know, unless they get an 80 yard touchdown and win at 17 14. Like they're not so oh use likely not going to do much in, in this playoff. Ole Miss just lost their play calling. What are they going to do in the playoff? Georgia is so inconsistent right now. You've got multiple possession deficits and in all sorts of games to average teams. Then you score 16 against Georgia Tech like we were talking about is struggling defensively. So which Georgia do I see that night? Is it the, is it the Georgia that was ready for Texas or is it the Georgia that played Georgia Tech? I think there are inconsistencies or are frustrating to watch from afar. And then from an, from an Alabama perspective, if they're not throwing the ball on an elite level, they are incredibly vulnerable. Incredibly. Look at what Oklahoma was able to do to them, even being outgained by 200 yards. So I know I didn't even get.
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Ryan Rosillo
To Ole Miss because I just felt like they screwed around with so many different teams and I thought they were always like two or three spots higher than I would have had him, you.
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Joel Klatt
Know, suspect and, and now they lost their play caller. If I were to ask you, do you believe any of those teams can make the national championship game or how likely would you think that that any of those make it to that point?
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Ryan Rosillo
I really wish this was after a game where Gunn and Stockton didn't throw for 70 yards because I think that Georgia front has started to look more like the Georgia front. I mean I would even make the same case the beginning of the year with Alabama. I'm like, well where are the dudes? Like we're. How come they don't have one edge guy? And I do think there's like a, there's a few guys now that I'm like, okay, you know, that's kind of what I expect from an Alabama front there a little bit. Although the Ryan Williams storyline at receiver, that got really weird. Yeah. Considering, like, look, nobody's better than Jeremiah Smith. He's the second best receiver in college football last year.
- [58:42]
Joel Klatt
Yes.
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Ryan Rosillo
And, yeah.
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Joel Klatt
I mean, and by the way, easily, easily, easily.
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Ryan Rosillo
And as much fun to watch as anybody.
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Joel Klatt
Like, what in the world.
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't know.
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Kyle
I don't know.
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't know what was going on with that.
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Joel Klatt
Can I also just suggest, you know, throw out. You. You also have to view those teams in the playoff in the vein of. They've got to go up against potentially an Ohio State team that has four first round draft picks right down the middle of their defense. You know, I think, I don't think that we should overlook, like the historic level of defense that Ohio State has played, albeit, and I will give you this, against a bad schedule this year. You know, they have not played many quality offenses, but, man, you know, like that. That defense looks like a defense that is going to be able to hold just about anybody that they want to under 20 points.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right, I'm glad you said that because I think there's also something where, like, hey, if we end up with like an SEC national championship matchup, you know, you're gonna go, how the hell did that happen? Okay. I don't know how much I believe this. And this is not me then going, hey, since we've agreed, let's start messing with each other here. But is there anything to be said of like, of course Indiana looks impressive to close the season. They're playing like Big Ten fans constantly yell about this ninth conference game. It's like, I don't know, I'd love to play an extra conference game against some of these teams because the bottom of it is terrible.
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Joel Klatt
Sure. And if you look Kentucky, so is. So is Mississippi State.
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Ryan Rosillo
No, Mississippi State beat Arizona State when they had Levitt. So that's not, you know, that's South Carolina's second to last place in the sec. That's. I mean, you want to go through the point differential of, Of Purdue and UCLA and Wisconsin.
- [60:33]
Joel Klatt
I do not want to sit here and defend the bottom of the Big Ten. I. And I wouldn't. And I wouldn't. I just want you to hear me say that.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay, but would you. Is there any part of this where we think, well, yeah, those SEC teams didn't look as good because, you know, within the last few games, every one of them had Somebody on the schedule that was like a real threat, whether they wanted to lost the game. Sure. Where you have, as you just said, Ohio State, you know, look, I thought Michigan was a little overrated. We clearly know that they were limited in the passing game. That was not a great matchup for them. Do you think there'll be any lesson where like we ended up falling in love with these teams that were rolling through inferior conference opponent the last four or five games of the season? Because it's, at least on paper, it's.
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Joel Klatt
Accurate to say there is a risk of that. There, there's no doubt. I won't, I won't disagree with that. I do think that there are some teams in the Big Ten that I think are better than people give them credit. I think that I would put Iowa in that. I would put Penn State in that. I mean, Penn State's one of those teams like some of those bottom SEC teams where you're like, okay, like they're really talented and it got away from them and their coach got, you know, it, it didn't go.
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Ryan Rosillo
But Iowa totally agree. Penn State, like, I think that Indiana win against Penn State, we were totally aligned. Like, you had to watch that game to understand, like, hey, they showed up today and this is a talented group.
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Joel Klatt
And, and there's a first round edge rusher getting after it and you know, like, so there's, there, there are some things now as a whole, no, the league doesn't provide a terrible. A huge amount of competition. So if I was a coach that was preparing a team to play Ohio State, I would play that angle. Even though Ohio State has the Texas win and you know, like, you can speak to that if you're on the Ohio State side. I would absolutely say similar to. Urban has told me this, this story, right? And this is a good story. So in, oh, six Michigan and, and Ohio State play as one two to end the regular season. You remember famously, Troy Smith is going to win the Heisman Trophy and Florida kind of like gets into the national championship game and no one's really paying attention. The whole discussion was, hey, should Michigan and Ohio State play again, you know, for the national championship and the BCS national championship, then is Florida and Ohio State. And Urban has said that all preparation time, all month, all he kept talking about to his team is, they haven't seen anybody. They haven't done what you've done. You've been in all of these wars. You're the more tested and ready team for this. And then it played out on the field. So that's what I would say. Now, will that work? I'm not sure. Because I can tell you this. With an NFL defensive coordinator like Matt Patricia and those players that they have downs as a first rounder, Arvell Reese is going to be possibly the first pick in the draft. Caden, you guys, like, there are players.
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Ryan Rosillo
You didn't even have to say with Gus. I'm like, they haven't said Caleb's name all day because they didn't need to yet.
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, it's crazy, right?
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Ryan Rosillo
And Arl is nuts. And you guys were great on that too, because, like, you were talking about him. And then as soon as we got done with you guys raving about Reese, then it shows him dropping back off the edge in coverage and you're just like, this is stupid. You know?
- [63:55]
Joel Klatt
Yeah, he can, he can do a lot. So I would absolutely play that angle up, but I don't, I don't know if that will work. I, I think in particular that defense, some of these offenses in the SEC really, really struggle to, you know, to our conversation. There are. Oklahoma's offense really struggles. Georgia at times is inconsistent. Do I believe Gunner Stockton is going to go light up Ohio State? I think I, I don't either.
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Ryan Rosillo
We can say, yeah, yeah, we're, we're on the same page with that. It's funny because that Florida Ohio State national championship game, you could argue was. And that was my first year at espn. Like, I think that was the start of the sec. Is it a level?
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Joel Klatt
Yeah, it was.
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Ryan Rosillo
And then it just carried over. Look, they won all the titles and all that kind of stuff, which I've argued about with Canelo for a million million years.
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Joel Klatt
Miami was great, Rem, remember, in the early 2000s. And then ou in Texas kind of like ran football, College Football, and USC 030405, like, those were the main teams Auburn gets left out of. Auburn got left out, championship defeated. Which is crazy, right? I like to think of that now. And that Florida win over Ohio State changed. Changed the whole conversation of college football dramatically for the next decade and a half. For 15 years, you know, it was totally different. Maybe even more. 22 years, 23 years until Michigan 1.
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Ryan Rosillo
I think you're right. Yeah. Because I don't think it was just the national championships that the SEC was destroying those teams. And then it would be like the Sam Bradford, Oklahoma spread, Kevin Wilson, like, how is this pot? Look at what they are doing. And it's like, no problem. Like, those were the kinds of games where you're going to. This is different. And that's right.
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Joel Klatt
And Bama just. Just bludgeoning that Texas team that went to the national championship with Colton McCoy and injuring him. And, you know, Oregon going to a couple of national championships in that run and just getting beat up. Now, one of them was by Ohio State, but, you know, getting. Getting beat up. And it hasn't been until nil on the transfer portal that talent started to disperse a little bit. And you looked at the draft in 2010-2020, it was just the SEC, basically, and it played out on the field, and now it's just a little different.
- [66:16]
Ryan Rosillo
I have two quick thoughts because I think I've kept you a little longer than I thought I was going to.
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Joel Klatt
I just really enjoy this, though.
- [66:21]
Ryan Rosillo
This is.
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Joel Klatt
I love coming on your show.
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Ryan Rosillo
We have to talk up Texas Tech here. Just because I'm a Texas Tech fan, I'm going. You guys went through all these teams and you haven't done it. That BYU game, I know it's a rematch. I don't. I don't see how they match up. I don't see how Bear, he looks so uncomfortable against him and look at sports, so things can change. But, you know, they kick five field goals. I think the number that I had when I ran through the five field goals, it was like an average distance of 21 yards. I was going to say they left a million points on the, on the field for a game they completely dominated. And it was close.
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Joel Klatt
It was not close.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like, I don't think BYU has a chance in the rematch just because of what I saw that afternoon in Lubbock. And I think Texas Tech is. I don't think it's crazy to say they're at any of these, the. The level of any of these SEC contenders just because of what they bring defensively and the fact that Morton, you can see, like they didn't make the switch to Hammond, even though it felt like Hammond gave him a little bit more juice in that Utah game when Morton got hurt. You could even if you want to get into some of the seating stuff, argue, hey, Tech. And their one loss against Arizona State was when Hammond started because Morton was out. But it's clear that McGuire just trusts the hell out of Morton. And this defense shows up every single week.
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Joel Klatt
So I said earlier this year, and I called that Utah game when they went up there and just beat Utah up in Salt Lake, which was a weird game. It was. It was. But, man, they, they just beat him up.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, no doubt. And it was just. It was like the first 20 minutes you're like, who. What is going to happen to this game?
- [67:58]
Joel Klatt
Yeah, right. It was just go ahead and. And I said in the subsequent week, I would not be shocked if Tech is in the Final Four if they're in the national semifinal. I still feel that way and I would absolutely take that into consideration. What you mentioned about not having their quarterback and their only loss this season. If they were to beat BYU on Saturday, I believe they absolutely should get a top four seed. I really believe that AS is a. An excellent team. Couple of things on them is they are really good where you need to be good in order to win at the top end in the playoff, which is defensive line, they can rush the passer. They brought in those transfers in there and they've got a great linebacker and Jacob Rodriguez. So in the front on defense, they can hold up. And that's one of the reasons why BYU is going to have such a hard time is because they can't just run LJ Martin 30 times and win the line of scrimmage against Texas Tech. That's unavailable to them against Texas Tech, which puts the game on Bear Bachmeier shoulder, which is limited. Let's just face it like they need the, the element of the run, the play action, the run action pass and those types of things. The Tech offense, I also really love and appreciate. Let me tell you why. Mike Mack left, which is their offensive coordinator, and Mac and I, and I'm thankful for this. We sat down for a long time before that Utah game and he started walking me through his background and his philosophy. This is what I love about my job, Ryan, is that I get to do something like this. And Mack was talking to me about being with Eric Morris and all of these different guys. And he said, you know, what's great about my opportunity is I've had the opportunity to take parts and pieces of three of the great college football offenses and meld it into what I think is my offense. So he's taken parts of the deep choice offense that Art Briles and Josh Hyple have made famous. You know, this deep choice passing game that the wide receivers have the opportunity to go deep or hook up. And he's implemented that, you know, you can call it the almost a run and shoot, if you will. He's also implemented the Gus Malzahn style spread running attack. So that's his running attack. And then he's got the principles of the short passing air raid system of Mike Leach and Lincoln Riley. And he's married all three of these together, and I think it provides answers. Whereas every one of those offenses, in their purity and in their purest form, has struggled winning at the absolute top end of college football. I think that when you marry them together and you have answers for what a team could potentially do to you in a playoff matchup, that's one of the reasons I think Texas Tech has a great chance. That's a, that's an excellent team. I firmly believe that they're going to beat BYU this week, which is one of the reasons why I don't talk about BYU much and I should, and I feel bad about it. I just don't think that that team can beat Texas Tech.
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Ryan Rosillo
We agree. And most years I'm always defending Whittingham and his unit out of Salt Lake and just going like, hey, people are overlooking them and overlooking them. And I just, I can't get over the coin toss at quarterback with Ampere where I'm like, what's this going to look like today? Yeah, so. And you know, oddly enough, too, it felt like after the K State game and then coming back and winning, that I was kind of like, all right, why. Why is the committee so in love with this team? But they are.
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Joel Klatt
Well, the, the advanced metrics are in love with them. If you look at Sagrin and, and S and P plus and, and those like those analytical. They still love Utah.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, there's another dangerous conversation. You could say this committee, the specific committee in 25, is more married to some of these metrics. When you start looking at their rankings, coming, looking at some of the stuff I know that you've touched on. I've seen it elsewhere where it, it's kind of damning. You're like, what's going on in there?
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Joel Klatt
They are in love with two things and neither of them are resume specific. They don't actually care about resume and matchups on the field. They care about advanced analytics and eye test. Like, those are the two things running the day of this committee.
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Ryan Rosillo
But in theory, like, that should matter. But there's always like, every time I see something in the teens where I go, well, that doesn't make any sense. Like, why, why would you. But nobody cares because it's not the top 12. It's not any of the seating stuff. But the numbers. Would you agree it feels like the 25 group feels more married to the numbers than some of the other years. Or maybe I'm just recency buying bias.
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Joel Klatt
But I've said that I think that this, this committee is more eye test, which is why Notre Dame is so much further separated from Miami.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I think it's. That's the one though. All right, so let's finish on that. What would you argue in the room then?
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Joel Klatt
If you're on the committee, you have to. You have to go with on the field results. Why are we playing the games if we are not going to honor the on field results? I'm sorry. I know that Notre Dame is a really bad non holding call and the best catch of the year away from being an undefeated. I totally understand that. It just so happens that this team that has two bad losses at SMU and against Louisville at home beat them. So to me, I'm sorry. That game has to matter or else why are we playing the game? So you know the head to head matchup, if Miami gets left out, I feel awful for them.
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Ryan Rosillo
Would you have ranked Miami ahead of Notre dame after week 11?
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Joel Klatt
No, because I think.
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Ryan Rosillo
Right, but it's.
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Joel Klatt
I hear, I do. This is why it sucks is because.
- [73:38]
Ryan Rosillo
This is the thing that I go, there's no way.
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Joel Klatt
Who wins a neutral this weekend. I would say, oh, Notre Dame wins a neutral this weekend. But like they're still. Yeah, Miami beat them. Miami won the game.
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Ryan Rosillo
I really struggle with it. I really struggle. I put Notre Dame ahead of them because I think they're better.
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Joel Klatt
I have to. You can go to my poll right now and I've got them ahead of Miami. And then I'm sitting here being like Miami has to be right.
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Ryan Rosillo
You know, hey, but like the committee, after the conference championship games, we have the right to re rank it on Sunday and, and come do a new 12. We get to do it every single week just like I would love.
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Joel Klatt
I'll just go back to what I told you like 20 minutes ago. I want that on the field this weekend. I want more games this weekend. I want the play in weekend to happen rather than just these conference championship games which are by the way outdated, maybe too penal. Like if Bama loses, are we really going to throw them out?
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, based on what the committee did last year, again in the only sample that we have one year of what they did with SMU because of a close loss against Clemson, it felt like, yeah. And it also felt like some of the messaging was that because it was my old Big 12 thing is that the Big 12 ended up getting rid of the conference championship game because it felt like every year that hosed them because they would have had a team playing for a national championship. And it's like, no, you got to play one Extra game here. And then it's like, well, this is stupid. Where it's either a chance to screw up your season or a chance to prove yourself all over again. It felt like some of the messaging when it expanded as well was that they didn't want to be as punitive to the team that lost the conference championship game as we would have in previous playoff formats. But you're right. Like, that Bama conversation is going to get really weird if that opens up a slot. Like, what if they just get, you know, look, it could happen. What if they got their ass kicked? You know? Right.
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Joel Klatt
Like, what in the event Georgia wins this thing, like 34 to 9 and it's just not very close.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, it's just. It's a mess of a game. Like, it would have to be a little like a couple turnovers in there.
- [75:36]
Joel Klatt
Yeah, that's right. A turnover here, there, and Gunners running around and he plays amazing. And then Texas is sitting there like, well, they lost to. Oh, you. We beat. Oh, you like, hey, what are we doing? You know, Come on, what are we doing? We both have three losses. I don't know what you would do at that point. This is why I don't love that our sport lives in. In. In a committee room. I don't want our sport in a boardroom. I want it on the field.
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Ryan Rosillo
We'll see you on the field. Big Ten championship. How excited for this? I can't wait.
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Joel Klatt
Oh, dude. It's my first 1 and 2 game ever in my career, so. Yeah, so I cannot wait. And I think that they'll both be jacked up. It's going to be sold out. Those Indiana fans, I mean, it's right in their backyard, so they are going to be raring to go.
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Ryan Rosillo
It's an awesome stadium.
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Joel Klatt
Number one seed on the line. I also really believe. I think The Heisman is 100% on the line. Winner gets it.
- [76:34]
Ryan Rosillo
I was pushing for Jeremiah Smith based on the, hey, if this award is about the best player in college football, then everybody thinks he is. But then, look, he missed the game. He had 22 snaps, was in the UCLA game like they just didn't need him. So I couldn't back it up. I don't like the default to, hey, let's give it to the quarterback on the best team. That seems to be a theme for a lot of voters. But I actually do think saying is better than everybody else, so I'm okay with it. So if he ends up with it, it's fine. I just. I don't think A Pavia vote is the wrong vote, though, if that was the mentality that you have about like, who's actually the most important guy to his.
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Joel Klatt
That dude is just an absolute gamer, man. I said earlier in the year, he reminds me of a bit of Max Duggan. Remember Max? Which is like, will his team to victory. Didn't always look pretty, but it's like that's, that's kind of what I get from Pavia.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I said Manziel, but only in the, the sheer like shock of the defensive players because they can watch all the tape they watch and then they're out there with him and they're like, oh, he. Like, it's just whatever I thought I had for closing speed on him. It's just I don't have enough. Yeah, yeah.
- [77:43]
Joel Klatt
There's like a. There's like a sprinkle magical dust out there. It's like, how. How did he do that? How does he have the confidence to do what he just did?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. If I were on the defense of Tennessee, I'd never want to watch that film over after what I did. No, look, man, you're. You're one of our favorites. Just appreciate the job that you and Gus do with FOX every single week. And you know, there's a lot of time today, so thanks for taking an hour out of the week.
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Joel Klatt
No doubt. I appreciate you as well. I love coming on this show. I. I would love to do it before the draft as we get all set for the draft and we can talk about these boys.
- [78:19]
Ryan Rosillo
Come on. As much as you want, man. We'd love to have.
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Kyle
Love it.
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Ceruti
I love it.
- [78:21]
Joel Klatt
Have a great day, dude.
- [78:22]
Ryan Rosillo
You too. Joel Klatt, Joel Klatt show. Check out his podcast and subscribe to that. And again, gear up for Ohio State. Indiana. Number one against number two.
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Joel Klatt
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Ryan Rosillo
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How about our guy Quincy Avery, his two guys, I forgot I talked to him this weekend about some other quarterback, his guy saying and Dante Moore, two of my favorites. Two of the guys that actually trust on third and long, which is not a long list in college football. There was a guy, the freshman who played for Mississippi State, my guy, he had a throw on the right sideline. I may even share the clip later on, but you know, I might not because he's a freshman. It was his first start in a rivalry game, but he was so locked into the receiver, the receivers wasn't even there and he made the throw. Speaking of struggling young quarterbacks, you know, I'd had a real issue with this Michigan ranking and their limitations. And you know, going into this game you're like, the only way Michigan's going to win this game is it just ends up being stupid. Like there has to be a bunch of monumental screw ups here by the Buckeyes that we had last year. And saying throws probably one of the worst considering the game. Maybe the worst single pass he's thrown all season long. Throws a pick very early on. The rest of the game is total domination. Underwood, I thought, had two good throws and I'm giving him a good on a ball he threw in the left seam that he, look, he threw it kind of high, which he's done all season long, but it was a completion. There was a third and eight where he had two routes to the left that were actually decent options. And even look at him, he just threw it right down to the running back three yards behind the line of scrimmage. It's like, hey, now you have to get 11 yards with the defense all in front of you. So good luck. Bo Jackson, running back for Ohio State's been a beast here. Second half of the season, 329 yards last three weeks. Indiana, did you know that they played Purdue Friday night? They did and they killed them, number three. So I was actually tempted to put Oregon here, but you know, this is where it becomes, hey, sometimes I think this team is better than that team and then sometimes I feel like the resume is undeniable. I'm going to go with Georgia three. They've got four ranked wins now. Tennessee, Ole Miss, Texas. Georgia Tech was 23, we'll see what happens in the committee rankings. Georgia tech still actually 24th in the apartment because 19, 20, 21, 22 and Georgia Tech, all of those teams lost this weekend. But the passing offense for Georgia just feels like a fatal flaw. So even though we got excited about the Texas game with Stockton, but if you really look at some of those touchdown passes, they weren't like the toughest throws. I mean they were there and he made them, so that's great. But that's Stockton's worst game of the season. Against Georgia tech. He was 11 of 21, 70 yards, a 25 QBR. And as much as we love the jerseys and what Kirby has done, winning basically 11 games every year, playing in the SEC title game, what is it, seven out of eight years, eight out of nine years. It's just ridiculous what he's done. That passing offense is, I think it is what it is at this point. It's not something you're going to be able to bank on. Even if it feels like that defensive front has gotten after it more the last month looking a little, that part of it looks a little bit more like Georgia, but with those four ranked wins, that's just better than what Oregon has. So I put Oregon for the toughest last month maybe of any team. You know, I haven't gone through all the bad teams in the Big Ten, but that was a tough stretch by Big Ten standards to close the month at Iowa, USC and then Washington who's, you know, good. They're not great, but they're good. And you know, you're looking at Oregon's close here. And speaking of closing, like Indiana played and look, I think Indiana is terrific, so this isn't the 24 conversation, but Indiana closes. If you look at scoring margin nationally, they close playing number 129 in scoring margin. 126, 107, 92 and 129. That's the close. Other than the Penn State game whose scoring margin is actually okay because of the work they did in the beginning of the year. Number five, Texas Tech. They finished number two in opponent's charts for play. Number one is Ohio State. Their only loss is with Will Hammond who was in primorten against Arizona State. And Arizona State team that that day with Levitt showed up and put up some yardage in a way that Tech has not allowed all season long. So if you were in the committee and you wanted to start messing with that stuff a little bit, you could, depending on what happens with some of these other games, go like hey, look. And their only loss, technically their starting quarterback didn't play in that one. Number six, A and M. I know it's kind of popular now to go like, hey, was this team any good? I'm. That is ridiculous. I would say the only thing I tried to do is warn you a bit about Marcel Reed and that there was some high risk stuff in there that they probably didn't need based on his running ability and their defense and their corners. And there's just so much I like about the A and M personnel, but I just felt like the Reed Heisman stuff, which is probably over now, was. Was a little bit too. It was kind of like a hype game. You have Reed, who had all the hype recently, and then of course Archie Manning, the Heisman favorite hype in the beginning of this one. It feels a bit like quarterback win analys with Arch in this game. He was terrific in the third quarter. He wasn't really at all in the first half. I didn't think he was special at all. He was 14 to 29 in the game. So the hyped up quarterback stuff here. But A and M finally losing a game where it prevented them because of the tiebreakers of playing in the SEC Championship game. Number seven, Ole Miss. That was a busy week. This never made any sense with Elaine Kiffin of thing. It's like, if he was staying, doesn't he already say that? Like, I think finally people on Saturday started to realize, like, I guess he's probably not going to stay because that would be even fucking weirder to drag this whole thing out. And we could sit there and say, oh, he was running until the last minute. He was trying to just, you know, use all of his leverage at some point. The deals are all on the table. And that point, look, Lane knew he was going to LSU a week ago, all right? That's why I hinted at it when I said, when he gets announced or whatever, the whole thing's gross. It's a gross part of college football. I can totally understand lsu1 wanting their guy in the building as soon as possible also. Let's not kid ourselves. They love the idea that they're fucking up Ole Miss's season, potentially him wanting to coach the rest of the way. I could also see Ole Miss going like, we don't want you in the building picking off all of these guys with the transfer portal to bring them to Baton Rouge. So this is the way business is done. There's plenty of things in life you're like, that's how that Works.
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Ceruti
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
And it's really unfortunate. So I'm not going to get in a huge rant on the whole thing because people could talk about college football commissioners and I know we did some of this stuff with Klatt and I guess I'm repeating myself. But no one in college football wants one person to tell them what they can or can't do. And that's why I'm going to Repeat it. Number eight, Oklahoma knew that LSU game is probably going to be ugly and materials three interceptions provided that this offense is now 99th in yards per play. They're 90th in yards per attempt. They're 100th in yards per carry. So they didn't even, like, Mater has not been the same guy. I've been on this the entire time. It's a bit like the arch thing. They win, everybody starts going, man, this guy's really figured it out. And you're like, he's okay. The same thing happened with, with a couple of these Oklahoma wins. Now, the odd thing with this offense is Oklahoma is the only team that scored on 100% of the red zone trips in all of college football. But look, there's plenty of teams that are in the 90s when you factor in, this is not a touchdown percentage, it's just a scoring percentage, including all the field goals. But if you're shitting on Oklahoma because of the offense, Danny Cannell, I mean, imagine if the committee did that. Like, yeah, that resume's pretty outstanding and they're eighth in the country despite being sixth in the sec. But I just don't like the way they pass. Yeah, let's get BYU in there. You could hate the Sooners. You could hate everything about Norman, all of it. You could have voted for Jokic for MVP instead of sga. All right, but in the annual tradition of no one has played anyone, Oklahoma's resume, like, you can't fuck with this. They played six ranked teams at the time. They played them. All right? So sure, you want to take Auburn out of there, fine. But if you want to mess with the rest of the schedule after those six ranked matchups at that time, the unranked teams that they played, like, they close out beating lsu. And I know LSU is a mess, but at one point that team was like, number three. We're doing the Penn State rule here applies like, hey, that team's super disappointing. Yes. But at some point people are also winning, picking them to win a national championship. So, like, there's clearly enough people on that team to think that maybe One Saturday they're going to be able to compete. When they played Texas, Texas wasn't even ranked. And the South Carolina win, which, you know, granted, Carolina is a huge disappointment. I think they're second to last in the SEC now. At one point they were number 11 with like three first rounders running around. So look, I know the offense stinks, but if you're going to give them a hard time like then you're being completely unfair. All right, number nine, number 10. Number 11, Notre Dame, Bama, Miami, in that order. This is the type of deal where if I were in the room and somebody said, hey, the head to head with Miami, Notre Dame, that matters. And I would say, okay, that's fine. Like, I can't argue to the death with you on that one. I do think Notre Dame's the better team. I definitely think they're better than Alabama. Miami finished strong with that win at Pitt. You know, a good pit team, not great, 38, seven, which I'll admit probably you, like me, was wondering, Miami's going to bitch like crazy that fan base thinks everyone's out to get them, that only bad things happen to them. For two weeks now, nothing would be funnier than them going up to pit and losing. But they did not do that. They won. They closed this thing out. And I think the committee to think that there's at least like this might be the maddening thing for Hurricanes fans is like, so wait, Notre Dame's ahead of us, but they're also in a group ahead of us. Like, we're not even at their level. And I do wonder with Miami losing the way they were losing in the middle of the season with the just getting started, if everybody had just turned on them and again, the massive disappointment like, oh, here we go again. And Beck isn't good. And this whole thing's, you know, they started off the season, the resume stuff is just better than what Notre Dame has. I mean, this is the dumb part about, well, Notre Dame's two losses are better than Miami's losses when it's like, yeah, one of them was to us. So I'm still putting Notre Dame ahead of them because I think they're the best of those three teams. But if you were in the room screaming at me, I wouldn't tell you that you were wrong. All right? But at least we've got him ahead of BYU and the infatuation with football out of Utah by this committee. Number 12. I'm going to put Vandy in here. This is where we need to not be Record whores. And I'll use an example. Michigan being ranked ahead of Texas going into this last weekend because they have the extra loss. That's when you're like, what are you guys watching? What are you possibly watching? Are you just looking at a 2 and looking at a 3 and going, oh, well, I got to put this team here. And look, I'm not even arguing for Texas to be in the playoff because even with the three top 10 wins, which is ridiculous on the resume, it's not even just the Florida loss, which I think is probably a slightly better loss than maybe anyone else talking in front of a microphone, but it's, it's that, you know, there's the Kentucky game, there's a couple of the non conference games. Like there's a lot of moments here with Texas. There's like, what is wrong with this team? Despite the fact that when they needed to get up for some of their biggest games, they got up for him. So I'm not putting Texas there, I'm putting Vandy there. I think that win at Tennessee is a good win. I know Tennessee now has way too many losses for anyone to accept that that might be a tough team to beat. What they did in the second half and what Pavia has done in the last four weeks, like, this guy is ridiculous. He is impossible to deal with. I mean, it does remind me a lot of like thinking you have Vick bottled up and you don't. Some of the stuff with Manziel. I remember that Florida game against A and M and talking to Muschamp after and he was just like, yeah, and must champ's line to us was like, I tried to tell our guys, like, you've gotta be ready for him. And it feels like even this late into the season, whenever you're playing against Pavia, the defenses just look like, what? What is this guy doing? Like, why can the worst thing you can do against a guy like Pavia is get up field with your pressure. Because as soon as your ends are at the side and the middle is open, he's gone. And then he can hit you with his arm too. So I hope he's in New York as a Heisman finalist. It feels like there's more momentum for him actually winning the Heisman now than certainly at any other point of the season. And if you're really going by like, hey, who's the best player? Or who's the most important player? Like he's going to get a ton of first place votes with this. So that's my top 12. I'm not going back to college to be your friend. I'm going so I can get Uber One for students. It saves you on Uber and UberEats. I'm there for $0 delivery fee on cheeseburgers, up to 10% off smoothies and 6% Uber credits back on ride. Just to be clear, I'm there for savings, not whatever you think college is for.
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Ryan Rosillo
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Joel Klatt
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- [93:16]
Ryan Rosillo
Let me tell you what's required. Lifeadvice.rrgmail.com. that is the email to fix your life. Kyle just said something before we started taping this. Said something about a vision board. I don't see you as a vision board guy. Do you have one? Because that would be amazing. No, no, no. I don't.
- [93:34]
Kyle
I don't. Things would probably have to get real, real bad for me to start pulling.
- [93:37]
Ryan Rosillo
Out stuff like that or real good.
- [93:41]
Ceruti
Okay.
- [93:42]
Ryan Rosillo
All right.
- [93:43]
Kyle
Yeah, I'm not, I'm not a write off guy. I'll try anything.
- [93:47]
Ryan Rosillo
I love that about you.
- [93:48]
Ceruti
I feel like this pod, there's not a lot. We're not like gimmick guys. Like, we're kind of just straightforward straight shooters. You know, we don't do like the bullshit stuff. Like there's not a lot of self help going on here. There's not a lot of like strategy of life. Not a lot of self help books in general. But I've never also dabbled in a vision board. Probably wouldn't things have to be pretty bad to do that.
- [94:09]
Ryan Rosillo
I did something vision board adjacent.
- [94:14]
Ceruti
When.
- [94:16]
Ryan Rosillo
Probably 10 years ago.
- [94:17]
Ceruti
I was going to say, there's no way. It was recent.
- [94:22]
Ryan Rosillo
So he's like, yeah, 10 years ago. I could totally see that. You were kind of.
- [94:27]
Ceruti
What was the scenario? I mean, were you. So you were at espn.
- [94:30]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [94:31]
Ceruti
This would have been in the home stretch. Was this like, how do I get on Countdown?
- [94:36]
Ryan Rosillo
NBA Countdown? No, I would have never put a vision board up for that.
- [94:40]
Ceruti
Okay.
- [94:41]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm realistic about who I am at espn. I think that's one of the things.
- [94:45]
Ceruti
That I'm more coast to coast hits.
- [94:48]
Ryan Rosillo
I did get on some of that coast to coast stuff. There was a few. There was a few hits on that because I used to love that show. Just as before I even worked at espn. I used to kind of love that. Probably before I could afford league pass. Although I probably always found a way. I mean, league pass, look, if it's your job, you can figure out a way to pay the 189 bucks. But I used to love. They would kind of just cut in and out. It was like a red zone thing. Do you remember the show? This is a long time ago. I think it was on Tuesdays. And then I don't know if that's what the new peacock thing of ramping that up on Tuesdays. Are they calling it coast to coast? I think they are. I got to tell you, a quarter of the way into the season, I'm still. There's some nights I sit on the couch where I'm still a little lost. Oh yeah, where am I going again? And thank God I have that global NBA app because that saved my ass in London to be able to watch games that I needed to keep caught up in because, I mean, wasn't going to work with anything else, but.
- [95:44]
Kyle
So do you have to be out of the country to fire that thing up?
- [95:49]
Ryan Rosillo
No, I could watch it.
- [95:51]
Joel Klatt
Okay.
- [95:52]
Ryan Rosillo
Here in the States. Guam, for the most part. Yeah, I think I'm good.
- [95:55]
Ceruti
We've strayed too far away from the vision board thing, so I'm just going to steer us back on track. What was on the vision board?
- [96:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, yeah, well done. Needed was. Was a beach house in Manhattan Beach. I just put it on way dreams come true.
- [96:11]
Ceruti
Yeah.
- [96:13]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Wow. I just saw a listing. I liked that. I was just not even in the scope of possibility. I just hung that up on the fridge for.
- [96:22]
Kyle
All right, I'm sold.
- [96:23]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm sold. All right, that's my point.
- [96:26]
Kyle
Never mind. I take it all back.
- [96:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I would love to get a vision board. Maybe that could be something we all do in 26. Get some vision boards going.
- [96:35]
Ceruti
On the pod. Kyle, what's on the vision board?
- [96:37]
Ryan Rosillo
Maybe we could make it its own podcast.
- [96:40]
Ceruti
Just dudes talking about their. Their ambitions.
- [96:46]
Ryan Rosillo
Anyway, I interrupted you, Kyle. What were you gonna say?
- [96:48]
Kyle
What's on my vision board? Probably a 264 runner, maybe an XL size sweatshirt. You know, that'd be good.
- [96:57]
Ceruti
Like that.
- [96:58]
Kyle
$5 pack of smokes.
- [96:59]
Ryan Rosillo
No, I'm just kidding.
- [97:00]
Kyle
I'm not. I'm not that a piece of shit like that. But yeah, definitely, definitely a nice car.
- [97:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Maybe a not A piece of shit 2000.
- [97:07]
Kyle
2000 square foot house there. Central air.
- [97:11]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Okay, wait. Nice Hellcat.
- [97:14]
Ceruti
Did the Mustang make its way across the country?
- [97:16]
Kyle
No, no, I'm done with that 13 mile a gallon monster.
- [97:20]
Ceruti
No, no, that saga has ended.
- [97:22]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [97:22]
Kyle
So we're looking for.
- [97:23]
Ryan Rosillo
There's not.
- [97:24]
Kyle
Not a ton of great deals on the four runners. I think people just want them. But, you know, the Broncos are talking about 0% APR, so, you know, I'm basically ping ponging between one of those two.
- [97:36]
Ryan Rosillo
So you're in the market right now for a car?
- [97:37]
Kyle
Oh, yeah, big time.
- [97:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Greater Poughkeepsie area.
- [97:40]
Kyle
Big time. Ignoring calls every day because you got to put in inquiries to see what's there, and then they're just like, great, we'll call you every day for the.
- [97:46]
Ryan Rosillo
Rest of your life.
- [97:47]
Kyle
Yeah, you know, I signed up for.
- [97:49]
Ryan Rosillo
This, I guess, but. You did. You did. Okay, let's read some emails here. Let's see, we got a lot of gym ones. Can I just do a quick gym story? Because we have time.
- [98:01]
Kyle
Yeah, I think that's in our contract.
- [98:03]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. So the other day at the gym, I wasn't doing bench. It wasn't that day. But I noticed another guy doing bench, and he. He's fascinating. I wanted to meet him. I would have even potentially interviewed him like on a Wednesday show or something. And he threw on 2:25. And he had some unk type energy to him. So you never really know. You're looking at his body and you're like, this guy gonna throw around 225. Like, damn, he's got some old man strength. Maybe he was in the navy, tucked.
- [98:39]
Kyle
In shirt, maybe to some gym pants.
- [98:42]
Ceruti
Yeah.
- [98:42]
Ryan Rosillo
And he had some arm braces going on. So I was like, all right, this is interesting. And again, we might make shirts that say, you know, watch your own reps or focus on your reps or whatever. Maybe that'd be part of the vision board podcast arm that we. That we get into.
- [99:01]
Ceruti
Yep.
- [99:02]
Ryan Rosillo
But I was using a machine near him, so he was in my. I was like, I gotta. I gotta see what's gonna happen here now. And it's pretty much like a known thing too. Like, if. If you can bench a certain number and you see another guy, you're gonna watch. Like, it'd be better if we did. But it's kind of inherently like what guys will do. You know, somebody throws 315 on, you're like, all right, you know, I want to see. And if the guy rips out seven or eight reps, you're just like, hey, that's a different level. Like, that's a tier that you can't even worry about that guy. You're not competing with him. But if he gets it once or twice, you're like, eh, okay, whatever. So this Guy gets under 225 and he starts like feeling it, right? Starts like spinning the bar in his hands. Getting his calluses worked up in the neurals, right? He's just like feeling it. Then he gets off the bench. Never took it off, huh?
- [99:59]
Ceruti
He didn't have it that day.
- [100:01]
Ryan Rosillo
No, no, no. Left his towel, left his bottle, went over to the cables. Used that. Cables are the most. You can never get in. Like, I gotta make an appointment to use that thing. He goes over the cables, he sits back down on the bench. And I was like, now I'm totally in. Like, I, you know, I want to see a documentary on this guy. And he just starts touching it. And he's feeling it, he's feeling it. He kind of like pulls off a little bit and then sets it back.
- [100:27]
Ceruti
Down on the rack.
- [100:28]
Ryan Rosillo
And I was like, this guy's just. He wants his body to get comfortable with the weight.
- [100:32]
Kyle
Like the gym version of a vision board.
- [100:34]
Ryan Rosillo
Really? Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well done, Kyle. I was going to say that at the close of this, but you got in. No, I'm just. That's okay, that's okay. Your instincts are too good now. Trained you well. That's what he did. He just touched it. It was like he was window shopping at the bench press. And then he finally did pull it off. And I would say the rep was the equivalent of saying, we're driving cross country and making it to Pittsburgh and turning it around.
- [101:04]
Ceruti
Okay.
- [101:05]
Kyle
Huh?
- [101:06]
Ryan Rosillo
But what. But I. Exactly your point, Kyle. I think in his head he was like, the only way I'm going to do a rep at 225is if I. I just got to feel it, you know, I got to get out there, touch it.
- [101:19]
Ceruti
Just metal to palm. I'll just know it when I feel it. Let me.
- [101:22]
Ryan Rosillo
And he. And he took about 30 fucking minutes. No, no, no. 30 minutes. Busy, busy morning. Fucked up all sorts of other dudes routines. Guys started making eye contact with each other, being like, are you watching this? But instead of anybody saying anything to him, no one wanted it to stop. It was the opposite. It was like, we want to keep making this happen and I hope he does it again.
- [101:45]
Ceruti
Is there any chance this guy was just looking for one of you guys to help him with a spot because he wasn't sure if he could actually do it. And you guys were all just looking at him, judging him, and he's like, hey, maybe he's too self conscious to ask somebody because he didn't know anybody. Because why would you not have a spotter if you don't know you could do 225. Isn't that terrible? Like, that's terrifying.
- [102:01]
Kyle
I feel like the arm bands would give away that. That guy's not afraid to ask for a spot, right? Like, you just had his general get up, maybe, I guess.
- [102:08]
Ryan Rosillo
I think the ultimate warrior would ask for a spot. All right. I don't think he wanted a spot. This guy had like George Pickens type confidence. Okay, that's good then. All right. All right, email time. New friend has a secret podcast. 35 years old. 511, 175. No gym stats, Player comp. Righty Joe Ingles. Jingle juice. Thorold. Hey, fellas. My wife and I take our 20 month old daughter to a great new place in town that offers children's music classes, art classes, other similar things. Through these classes, we've met a few couples that we sparked quite a friendship with. Quick friendship with. Okay. Perhaps the fastest growing friendship has been with this one dude. Let's call him Tony. Our daughters are born one day apart, which got us talking. Eventually I found out he's a big UFC guy and he actually knows his stuff, which is shockingly hard to come by. Every time I see him, we chat about the fights that went down that weekend. At this point, we've actually had his family over for dinner. We like them, they like us. All was going well, four dots. Until my wife went deep diving on Tony and found out that he's the host of a podcast. This is not a sports or pop culture pod. No, no, no, no. This is a podcast about Cryptids. Kyle, can we get some visuals on cryptids? Google it. Yeah, wait, of course, hold on. No, go ahead, it's fine.
- [103:28]
Ceruti
Those aren't like the aliens, are they the Cryptids? Are those like the lizard people?
- [103:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, of course I looked it up. A cryptid is a creature whose existence has not been proven by science. We're talking Bigfoot, something called Dogman and all that jazz. Yeah, I turned into one episode. And Tony shares some experiences, also interviews people about their experiences with the supernatural. I gotta tell you, if Tony's pod is like one of the top five cryptid things, this is going to make its way back to Tony. So you may have just exposed yourself, and I don't know with these guys. Well, it's true.
- [104:01]
Ceruti
They know things that we just don't know.
- [104:03]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I'm not even sure we should have read this email. I just don't really know how to proceed with the friendship. He's never brought up the podcast to me. You know what? I think that's a great sign that he hasn't brought up the pot. I don't think it's a deal breaker for me that he has a podcast about this topic, but I also recognize it's pretty fucking weird. Do I bring it up? Do I wait for him to. Will he not think I'm chill anymore? Because I don't believe in Bigfoot? Please help me out. Thanks, guys.
- [104:32]
Ceruti
I think it's kind of cool. I'm going to be honest with you. I've. I've watched.
- [104:37]
Kyle
I've.
- [104:37]
Ceruti
I've dabbled into like an hour long, not hours, maybe aggressive, but like some YouTube videos where, like, do I believe that this stuff is real? No, but am I entertained by it? Absolutely. I've watched Ancient Aliens. Like, this stuff is insane, but it's entertaining. So I don't know. I actually don't think this is a red flag at all. I don't think you bring it up to him. If he wants to bring it up to you, that's fine. But, like, this isn't, like, if we're talking, you know, friendship, deal breakers. This isn't a deal breaker to me at all. Like, this. Maybe the guy's got a little fun personality. If he takes it too seriously and starts, like, trying to get you into the, you know, to convince you on this stuff and go into conspiracy theories. Maybe it's a little bit weird, but I don't know, for now, it's just like a fun hobby. And I don't know, you could be. Dudes could do worse things.
- [105:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [105:13]
Kyle
In this day and age, I don't think it's insane for a buddy to have like a secret podcast or some sort of thing in that sphere. You know, maybe he's been working on an album for eight years. You know, this guy has a podcast instead. But yeah, and the topic is, it's interesting. I mean, I'm sure I've clicked like, into a Wikipedia link and then clicked several other Wikipedia links through that entry and maybe spent an hour on this stuff. He's just a little bit more passionate about it. What if it was movies? You know, I don't think. Just think of it as movies. Maybe maybe poke around in his garage and see if he has like, you know, have a garage beer with him and see if he's got like a Bigfoot scanner or like a, you know, a spirit detector. Like see how much it is. Or maybe it's just like a, a hobby that he's using to use some of that time in the house.
- [106:00]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know.
- [106:01]
Kyle
But I don't think the topic is too bad. I don't think it's a bad space that he's exploring.
- [106:07]
Ceruti
How far does it go though? Is he also a flat earth guy? Are there other things that he might just be into that you're just like, hey, this is a deal breaker. If it's just like, hey, I kind of host the scripted podcast Finding Bigfoot. We've talked about on the pod before. Those ghost shows that they never find the ghost, but I don't know, I'll.
- [106:24]
Kyle
Watch a couple episodes innings on History Channel.
- [106:27]
Ceruti
Yeah, yeah. Just guys walking around with these instruments that probably aren't even real, but they're convinced you that they are real.
- [106:32]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't Mark Portugal of shows.
- [106:36]
Ceruti
Yeah. So I, I don't know, I don't think you, I don't think you cut them off. I don't think you cut them loose. I don't think you bring it up, but I don't know.
- [106:43]
Kyle
Have they listened? Did his wife listen or. She just found a link on one of his profiles.
- [106:49]
Ryan Rosillo
How about her doing a deep dive on the guy though?
- [106:52]
Ceruti
You know, that's a white thing though.
- [106:53]
Kyle
We're on the ground floor one year old. We want to know if this is a long haul friendship or not. You know, I don't.
- [106:59]
Ryan Rosillo
Your wife does a full background check on any new person in the midst.
- [107:02]
Ceruti
Well, I don't, I don't know that it's a background check. It's just, you know, she's an Internet sleuth person. She, she knows how to use the Google the correct way and she finds things and you know, check photos, make sure there's nothing crazy so it's not wearing a wedding ring, like, and she'll just do like beep, beep, beep, you know, around. All of a sudden there's like, you know, a bunch of evidence and this is happening. It's like, wow, you actually kind of were. We're onto this. That's good. So, yeah, yeah.
- [107:22]
Ryan Rosillo
I actually remember that one time like Saruti and I were having. Yeah. We were having one of our daily updates and then I got a very at the end, like, hey, by the way, so and so doesn't have a Wedding ring on anymore.
- [107:35]
Ceruti
In the photos, I noticed that wasn't me.
- [107:37]
Ryan Rosillo
I know you didn't. I mean, that was like the guy that emailed about the finger thing, you know, and then we had another guy follow up. I don't think I read the email, but he was like, I'm missing a digit. He's like, my wife noticed right away. He's like, guys just don't notice. I mean, that one actress in Slow Horses, I didn't realize there was something weird with her hands until season four.
- [108:01]
Ceruti
Yeah. Third, Third, fourth season.
- [108:02]
Ryan Rosillo
I had no idea. Yeah. Nothing. Now I can't stop looking at him. Yeah. Cryptids. My issue with the entire thing is how come more people don't see it? And then whenever the photo's like, oh, that's a 1912 picture of Champ Lake Champlain. And then you realize, like, some dickhead with a flea market doctored some photo. And that way he wanted to increase tourism or something like that in the aughts. And so I always am kind of like, you know, look, there needs. There needs to be updated evidence. Like, too much of this stuff happens in. I'm not, like, against believing that there could be something else going on, but. Yeah, to have it be a hobby. I don't know, man. You could also spin it. Like, Lisa's passionate about something. I have a friend who's like, what.
- [108:56]
Kyle
If he's just talking about the legends of it? Like, what's the difference? If you're really into Norse mythology, you're not suggesting that, you know, every raven is. Is Odin or something, but you're just like this. Maybe he's just interested in, you know, the lore of it all.
- [109:10]
Ceruti
Listen to it. I think, you know what you do? You listen to an episode or two and see how insane it is.
- [109:14]
Joel Klatt
I think you have to listen.
- [109:15]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah. What would be the line where you would be like, I don't want this guy around my kid anymore.
- [109:22]
Kyle
He's like, we're heading down to New Jersey on Saturday.
- [109:24]
Ryan Rosillo
He was there.
- [109:25]
Kyle
There was a sighting on Wednesday, I think, you know, we've got a radius. I'll report back and let you know after a weekend in the.
- [109:32]
Ryan Rosillo
In the.
- [109:33]
Kyle
In the Pine Barrens or something.
- [109:34]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't like a twister version of. Of this, but Cryptids.
- [109:39]
Joel Klatt
Yeah, yeah, like a.
- [109:40]
Kyle
Like a storm chaser for Cryptids.
- [109:42]
Ceruti
Yes.
- [109:43]
Ryan Rosillo
Or he, like, earnestly interviews someone that says they had a relationship with a chupacabra.
- [109:48]
Joel Klatt
Right.
- [109:50]
Ryan Rosillo
And he's serious. He's like, well, tell me, you know, are their emotions the Same.
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Ceruti
Yeah, the world, it's kind of interesting because like the world, the world is just like less interesting now because like think about back when dudes were like sailing. What is it? What's the, what's the, like below Africa there where it's like super dangerous. Whatever. The Bermuda Triangle. Nobody talks about the Bermuda Triangle anymore. That was like when I was growing up. Cape Horn. Yeah. Like they used to think there were like krakens in there and stuff. And now we just like know this stuff isn't kind of true. So it's kind of a bummer. But I know it's. Sometimes it's kind of fun to just think, hey, what if we lived in a world where these things existed? Like Mothman, Jersey Devil. I'm looking up some right now. Like, I don't know, I'd watch. I'm interested in the origin stories of those things. How do they come to be. Now if you're like, this is definitively real and I'm going to find it. That's probably the line. But if it's like, hey, you know, what's the background of this creature? Is it possible that it's still alive, you know, or ever existed? You know, the dragon thing, doesn't that kind of blow your guys minds? Why did several different cultures all across the world, they just all have dragons? All. They all, they just didn't exist. But they all knew about dragons. They didn't have any interaction with each other. That's kind of insane. No, I'm interested in that.
- [110:52]
Kyle
I think maybe, yeah, we should all take a listen maybe.
- [110:55]
Ceruti
Yeah, once you email off the podcast. Yeah, I'll take it. Listen. I'll give it a listen.
- [111:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, send a link. Send a link. Yeah, I mean, look, that dragon question just blew my mind. Now what do we do? My guess is probably like one guy said he saw a dragon and then sailors would tell of the story of a guy who saw a dragon and then somebody else would draw it. And they had no tv, they had no podcast, they had nothing. It was just sailors from port to port just handing down these legends and then everybody just would believe all of it. That's my theory. In a lot of these stories that have held up for thousands of years.
- [111:30]
Ceruti
I'm not trying to turn into this guy's potential new friend. But these are civilizations that had nothing, they had no contact with each other and we've just found evidence of drawings of things.
- [111:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, but you're ignoring my start of civilization lesson that I gave where it was like, how come every single Every single community had the same idea that there's this great flood coming. Because there was probably one flood that wiped out one village. And then it was such a big fucking deal. Everybody talked about it all the time. And then as soon as somebody would start walking or we get in a boat, they would just be like, oh, the great flood. The great flood. All of these civilizations separated by thousands of miles, all believing in some version of the flood. I think that's your. Yeah, I think that's the dragon equivalent.
- [112:14]
Ceruti
Maybe we should start a podcast.
- [112:16]
Ryan Rosillo
I think we just did.
- [112:18]
Kyle
We just become best friends.
- [112:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Getting into business with my basketball idol. Hey guys. 5:10, 1:65 A wannabe Eric Maynard on the pickup scene. Pass. Get others involved early and often, but also scoring threat to compliment. Well, nice, nice approach to life right there. I recently got in touch with a basketball legend of mine. My alma mater. All right. Won't say the name. We have since developed somewhat of a friendly relationship. In all honesty, he was my basketball idol growing up. My initial business proposition to him consisted of starting a YouTube channel together to provide a platform for student athletes for our school. Our goals align fairly well and we have plans to get together in the near future to put our ideas to the test and start doing and creating content. This would start small as a side project with host becoming more of a full time endeavor. I'm also currently unemployed, so this allows me to tap into a passion and see where it can go. My question to you guys is, with all the sports pods and channels in the current ether, is there a niche that you believe could be an opportunity for us to explore? I love running my mouth, but my counterpart is a bit on the shy side and probably prefers not to speak as much. This just seems like an opportunity of a lifetime that I cannot pass up. Appreciate any insights here. Side question, do you think it'd be kosher for me to bring his frame college jersey for him to sign? Not on the first episode.
- [113:39]
Ceruti
Dude.
- [113:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [113:42]
Kyle
After you ask him the welcome to the league moment, then maybe after you wrap that episode.
- [113:46]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah. Look, based on that email and specifically that last sentence, I'm worried that you might be a little too excited. But at the same time, like you should be excited. This is your guy now. You're going to build this relationship with him. But for the this pod to have any kind of a chance for him to probably open up or whatever, like, you've got to try to figure out a way to get past that. Now look, first time I had Chris Mullen in studio, you want to tell me that I wasn't, like, a little weird, you know, like, even. Yeah. Because Barkley called in, like, Mullen we had in studio, and Chris Mullen's the coolest of all time. And he's sitting there, his phone goes off, and it's New York by Jay Z was his ringtone. And you're just like, what?
- [114:28]
Ceruti
Yes.
- [114:28]
Kyle
Come on.
- [114:30]
Ryan Rosillo
God. Then there's another time he was watching some guys play hoop, and he took the ball and he shot it off the side of a building, and it went in one shot. You're just like, dude, who are these people walking among us mere mortals? So I get it. I'm not going to pretend that I was numb to all of it, because there would be moments, there'd be times, especially early on, where I would Would be like, oh, man, this is kind of exciting. But considering this is, like, your thing, it's you two guys, you have to find a way to put that stuff to the side and make the content the best that it can be. And I would say the other part of that is, even if he's shy and you are a talker, people are going to be drawn to the podcast or YouTube channel because of him and not because of you. And you're going to have to find your way to make him the star. I dealt with that on all the shows. We used to do that massive baseball show with Steve Phillips. It was like, this Sunday. I was baseball rye, just your guy all day on Sunday, cranking out the baseball content through all the day games. And the feedback that I got was, why is Ryan talking? So although that one manager said on three different shows, he was like, why are you talking? I was like, you seem to have a theme with me. You seem to have a consistent theme that I am a talk show host anyway. So, yeah, you're going to have to figure out a way to make him a star. You're going to have to figure out a way to treat him as a guy that you're doing a show with as opposed to the guy that is your hero growing up. And, you know, I think it'd be kind of fun to maybe have that conversation five or six episodes in. Right?
- [116:22]
Ceruti
Yes.
- [116:22]
Ryan Rosillo
You know, warm up to it. But I don't know what your experience is with this stuff. Like, if you're just geeked out to be with your guy, you know, maybe he's used to that. Maybe he's. Look, the name. I'm not going to share the name. It's not like this is fucking Michael Jordan here. Okay, this is. What level could you give us?
- [116:42]
Ceruti
Like a level, like a B list.
- [116:44]
Ryan Rosillo
C list, maybe a player, nothing pros of any significance whatsoever.
- [116:50]
Ceruti
But big college, big time college guy.
- [116:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Even that he's not a tier one college guy, like, of a tier one guy that didn't do anything in the NBA. He's not even that. Okay.
- [117:02]
Ceruti
Which isn't the end of the world. But the thing that concerns me is it sounds like you're trying to have to convince him to do this and that's not a great place to start from.
- [117:11]
Kyle
Yeah. What was his level of interest?
- [117:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Did he want to do this?
- [117:15]
Kyle
Like, is it like, was it like Chris Long where he was like, I really like, want to. Like, when he started, he was like serious from the jump and like basically taking notes and basically had this whole goal right. Of like what, what he wanted to do in the future. And I feel like there's some people that are just like, maybe this is an avenue for me. And I'm not really sure because it sounds like this thing might be. I don't know if it's a charity esque. Like it's, it's for. It's for student athletes.
- [117:40]
Ryan Rosillo
He was saying that's like, it's. Is it something through the.
- [117:43]
Kyle
The school adjacent?
- [117:45]
Ceruti
Is it.
- [117:46]
Ryan Rosillo
Is this a money thing?
- [117:48]
Kyle
Yeah, is this a money thing? Is it gonna hope to make money or is it just like a project that's basically helping students?
- [117:55]
Ceruti
How many student athletes seriously are. I think you have to ask. This is me being a dick. But like, seriously, how many student athletes do they do? You know, unless it's for businesses too. And like, it's like the whole. Everyone could kind of come in and figure out how this is done, but how many people do you really think are going to be listening to this show? Like, are like, you know, like, I know if I was a college student and this was available, I probably wouldn't listen because I was just like, I'm.
- [118:17]
Ryan Rosillo
Too cool for school.
- [118:17]
Ceruti
I'm like, I don't need this. You know, I'll figure it out. Like, it's a. It obviously has a, you know, a very specific audience that may or may not even be that interested in listening to what you have to say, even if it's good content. So that's, that's something you have to consider as well. Yeah.
- [118:30]
Kyle
I'm not a dream crusher here by any means, but I would just say are you able to look over how pumped you are and get an accurate reading about how pumped he is? What if we're talking about, you know, I'm unemployed and I'm putting a lot of work into this right now.
- [118:45]
Ceruti
You need something to do. Yeah.
- [118:47]
Kyle
See if your gate. See if your. Your gauge is actually working.
- [118:50]
Ceruti
That's all. That's all.
- [118:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Yep. Yeah. And the best part, man, is no one can cancel your show.
- [118:55]
Kyle
Yeah, totally.
- [118:55]
Ryan Rosillo
That's what's great about podcasting and YouTube channels and all that stuff. So if you haven't done it before, you're going to learn on the fly. The first show is probably going to be terrible. The 10th show is going to be so much better. Just because you're starting from absolute zero. Fastest growing show in the country. Right. When your rating is a zero, who's to say that you're not the fastest growing show in the country?
- [119:14]
Kyle
Number one on Apple pods today.
- [119:15]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Yeah. Number one in show rankings.
- [119:19]
Kyle
The Cryptid top five Cryptid pod. Oh, my God. Thank you so much.
- [119:24]
Ceruti
Northeastern United States.
- [119:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Five parts per episode. We're crushing. All right, let's see. We have a lot of time based on today's taping schedule, so we're just going to give you.
- [119:36]
Ceruti
I do want more.
- [119:37]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Want one more. I feel like there was another one in here that we need one more. I just watched Oceans. Oh, God.
- [119:44]
Ceruti
It's just.
- [119:46]
Ryan Rosillo
You do it, man.
- [119:47]
Ceruti
Well, you know, just rewatch it again for the. I watched 1 and 2. I'm glad. There's an argument with my buddies. Like, half of them think, think the second one, Ocean's Twelve, is bad. And the other half think, I think it's like, the best one, which is interesting. I'm like, is it just because it's in Europe? Is that why? I think you rewatch it. You really have to turn your brain off a few times. I think we've talked about this.
- [120:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Does everyone hate the third one?
- [120:07]
Ceruti
I like the third one. The second one I feel like is the most, like, kind of brain dead one.
- [120:11]
Ryan Rosillo
I like all of them, by the way.
- [120:13]
Ceruti
Oh, I agree.
- [120:13]
Ryan Rosillo
I think they're all good. I mean, the first one's off the charts, no doubt, but I don't. I've never had a bad time watching. Never any of them.
- [120:21]
Ceruti
Maybe the most watchable movies ever.
- [120:23]
Kyle
Makes me feel like I. My brain doesn't hit a certain frequency when people have all these nitpicks about movies that I like. I'm like, I just thought it was good. I don't have much else to say, but I'm just like, maybe I'm just. Maybe I'm just dumb because I Just I. I don't get these nitpick things with these, like, trilogies and, like, you know better.
- [120:39]
Joel Klatt
Like, I just.
- [120:40]
Kyle
Like, maybe I.
- [120:40]
Ryan Rosillo
Are you afraid you're dumb because you don't hate movies more? Is that what you're saying?
- [120:44]
Kyle
Sometimes I do. People have, like, real, like, you know, nitty gritty stuff that they're like.
- [120:49]
Ryan Rosillo
I mean, it's ridiculous. And I'm like, I don't know, I.
- [120:51]
Kyle
Kind of liked it. Maybe I'm just. Hey, look, I don't know.
- [120:54]
Ryan Rosillo
With 10 years the Ringer, right, Kyle? Like, listen to Fantasy and Ryan talk about movies. Like, I'll be in the car going, did I not watch the same movie? Yeah, so the thing about.
- [121:07]
Ceruti
I don't blame those great is Chris also liked bad movies, though. Like, you know, there was that. Like, I always thought that was cool. Like, he. And, like, they would. They would do some, like, insane 80s 90s movies. I'm like, these. Are these any good? Like, will you love this movie? That's cr. That's crazy. And that's what I always liked about it.
- [121:22]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Anyways. Yeah. Good times. Good times. I watched again the other day.
- [121:30]
Kyle
Love that.
- [121:31]
Ryan Rosillo
Love that.
- [121:33]
Ceruti
It's been a minute.
- [121:35]
Ryan Rosillo
It's so good. We were supposed to have Guy Ritchie on. I think I forget what happened. I think there was a time where we were definitely getting him, or he was offered, but then the taping didn't work out. And then there was this two month. Hey, I think we're getting Guy Ritchie this week or whatever. I would just love to know about the mapping out of Snatch where you were thinking of it and you had the main idea and then it was just how many other characters? And, like, do I need one more? Like, speaking of. Hey, do you want one more? Right, but just like. No, no, let's add in this and then we'll have. It's just. It's hard to do. It's really hard to do that as well as they did it. To have that many characters all kind of own their moment that they're on tv, whether it's Bricktop, whether it's Boris. The whole reason I watch it again is that. Is it Malevolence?
- [122:24]
Kyle
Do you watch it in London?
- [122:26]
Ryan Rosillo
No. Yeah, I started watching you and immerse.
- [122:27]
Ceruti
Yourself in the culture.
- [122:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, Jenna's a tough guy. So did you guys listen to the travel pod? Yeah, I'm halfway through it. Halfway. Did you edit it?
- [122:40]
Ceruti
Yeah. You said there were no edits, right?
- [122:42]
Kyle
You said there were no edits. I'd imagine I did edit One. I edited one long pause where your lights went out in the room. And I was like, oh, that looks like it might not supposed to be.
- [122:53]
Ryan Rosillo
There, but yeah, the lights. I was so locked in, I wasn't even moving in the motion. Lights in the hotel went off, so.
- [123:00]
Kyle
I was like, all right, I cut that one.
- [123:01]
Joel Klatt
Cut that one.
- [123:02]
Ryan Rosillo
I think I yelled, leave it in.
- [123:04]
Kyle
You did, but I didn't.
- [123:07]
Ceruti
Kyle's got that. Yeah, he knows better.
- [123:09]
Ryan Rosillo
That sex club thing was a huge. I don't even want to call it a letdown, because it wasn't like I was, like, wanting to watch people bang in a hallway. I didn't. Because there's another place that somebody told me about, and I was like, I don't. I was like, even in my. Even in my 20s, I don't think I'd be like, this is awesome.
- [123:28]
Ceruti
Yeah, I never understood that. Like, hey, you and a buddy want to go and watch? Like. No, I'm good, dude. Thanks.
- [123:35]
Ryan Rosillo
I think it has to just be for the entire sake of, like, saying that you did it.
- [123:40]
Ceruti
But isn't it weird to say that you did that? Like, I just have always found that, like, you would tell people that, hey, guess what I did yesterday. Me and.
- [123:47]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, I don't know that.
- [123:48]
Ceruti
I mean, Brad Sex club just watched no Touch.
- [123:52]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, not that great. As if somebody was on the fence about what do you do next.
- [123:59]
Kyle
Yeah. What happens after that?
- [124:02]
Ryan Rosillo
I gotta tell you, though, the place, the help staff, Top marks.
- [124:10]
Ceruti
Class.
- [124:11]
Joel Klatt
Nice.
- [124:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Class all the way around. All right. I think I. I think I paused, read an email.
- [124:17]
Ceruti
Yeah.
- [124:17]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't even know where we were. I don't know. I don't even know what the show is right now. Do we do a simple one here? Yeah. Did we stay on the travel. Let's stay on the travel thing. Five' 10, 48 years old, basketball comp. Nadav Hennefeld. Dude. Love that. Thank you for just saying his name. Just heard Ryan May travel to Japan. I've lived in Japan eight years, five years in Tokyo, three in Nagano. Since you asked for my input. I like how he did that one. Definitely take the time to do an onsen hot spring outside Tokyo, Hakone. I don't know. That sounds Hawaiian, so maybe it's. Hakone is a good choice. Kabukicho deserves a walkthrough just to see the scale of what a red light district can be. Well, you know, look fresh off of Soho. Not afraid. Golden guy. Nearby is both the most touristy and the most Japanese thing you can Visit three if you drink in the neighborhoods.
- [125:25]
Ceruti
Like.
- [125:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Japanese is terrible right now. I dare you. Roppong. That's what I'm going to go with. And pay for your drinks with a credit card. Be careful of someone spiking your drink. Never fly solo. Well, that sounds like a great fit for me. At work, we used to warn the visiting business travelers it never mattered. Everyone came back with stories about getting drugged and robbed. It's a big problem compared to other Asian cities. Hong Kong, Singapore. They key on out of towners paying with a credit card. Well, that would be me. So maybe we do stay away from that town.
- [126:04]
Ceruti
Good note.
- [126:06]
Ryan Rosillo
When I was in Cabo, one of my friends was like, are you by yourself again? I was like, yeah. He's like, be careful. They're doing this thing down there where they're running your credit card and then saying that it didn't go through or whatever. And then the local sheriff is involved. Next thing you know, you're in jail for like three days. It's like three days.
- [126:25]
Kyle
Doesn't seem like something a tourist place.
- [126:27]
Ryan Rosillo
Would be promoting, but I don't know. Well, he was like, I know you like you're going to wander and check out the non taco stand T shirt place. I don't know. I would have to think a thousand bucks probably solves that problem, doesn't it? Like, hey, you guys are all in on this together. Can I just not be in jail for the entire weekend? And here's $1,000.
- [126:50]
Kyle
Charge it to the game.
- [126:51]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Yeah. All right.
- [126:54]
Ceruti
By the way, speaking of petting crime, I've never, I've had people hit me up.
- [126:59]
Ryan Rosillo
Was an email.
- [126:59]
Ceruti
Yeah, I have something quick actually, because I brought this up.
- [127:03]
Ryan Rosillo
It can take long. Take long. Obviously that's the theme of this. This one.
- [127:06]
Ceruti
I brought this up and I realized we never got back to it. And a few people texted me and, and tweeted me about it. My, my pickpocketing story.
- [127:13]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, oh, you never told it?
- [127:15]
Ceruti
Never actually told it on the pod. We just like, I kind of got cut off and then we were like, hey, we'll do it next pod. We never did it.
- [127:19]
Ryan Rosillo
Do it now. I. I like this better than any.
- [127:22]
Ceruti
It's not super long. Yeah. So this was a couple months ago, I think basically like my in laws took the kids. My wife and I were like, hey, we're gonna go see a movie. I think that's when we were, that's. We were talking about the Leo movie. What is it? I always. One battle after another. I always Write the name of it. Ended up seeing that. Saw a different movie. Anyway, at the movie theater, we're walking in, and we bought the tickets online, and I, like, literally said to my wife, I was like, well, this is weird. You just, like, walk. Anybody could just kind of walk in and sit down. Nobody checks your ticket. That's a little weird. It's downtown West Hartford. It's not, like, a weird place. Anyways, we watched the movie, was great. I get out back in blue.
- [127:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Back.
- [127:56]
Ceruti
Yep. Yeah, that movie theater.
- [127:57]
Ryan Rosillo
Yep. Right there.
- [127:58]
Ceruti
Right next to, you know, on the corner there. So I get out my car. I'm gonna go to the bathroom. Before we leave, we had a little dinner thing set up afterwards. We're gonna go back and get changed. But I was wearing, like, you know, just. I think they were just joggers, Right. But with a zipper pocket. I walk into the bathroom. There's a guy standing. Not really at the urinal and not at the sink. Just kind of in no man's land. And I don't.
- [128:18]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, right. Who does that?
- [128:20]
Ceruti
You know, speaking of Cryptids, you know, like, your hair just stands up on the back of your neck. Like, you just know something's wrong, something's up, something's weird. I just kind of knew something was weird. And he gave me kind of a look.
- [128:28]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeti.
- [128:29]
Ceruti
And. And I didn't know. Yeah, who knows? Anyway, I didn't know if he was walking or coming, whatever, so I ended up just walking right in front of him. So as I walk in front of him, the sinks are on my right. I go in the middle of him. The urinals are on the left. So I go to pee, and I feel a little tug at the back of my. My pants. And, you know, my zipper was zipped with the wallet in it. I mean, they're like joggers. So, like, if they weren't, you could probably easily take it out. Maybe that's why he spotted me.
- [128:54]
Kyle
If you're a zipper, I felt a little.
- [128:56]
Ceruti
Little tug as. As I'm basically taking, you know, going. Going to the bathroom.
- [129:00]
Kyle
Got it.
- [129:01]
Ryan Rosillo
And were your pants down too low? And he was helping.
- [129:03]
Ceruti
Definitely. Definitely not. What happened? So I don't think he knew what to do. So he just kind of went to the urinal next to me. And so I looked at him, and I was just like, are you serious right now, dude? And he was like, what? And he was, like, kind of being a hardo and, like, gaslighting me a little bit. And I was like, you just try to steal My wallet. And there's other people in the bathroom, by the way, but I know what to do. I'm like, do I make a scene? Like, I think this is. I don't think I'm straight in the situation, but I'm pretty sure this is what happened. And I was like, you just try to steal my wallet? He was like, oh, no. I was just trying to say, what's up? And he's like, clearly gaslighting me at this point. I was like, what's up? This weird look. Hard to tell. 20s, I would say, you know, not his first time. I don't think so. And anyway, so I'm sitting there standing. I can't pee because I'm just like. I don't know what to do. I'm like, tell somebody. Do I. Do I? Do I leave?
- [129:51]
Ryan Rosillo
But you can't really move.
- [129:53]
Ceruti
I can't move. I'm pretty vulnerable right now. Not a good spot. He's also maybe probably fake peeing. So I ended up. I just. Not. I didn't pee. I kind of fake washed my hands and I got out of there. Maddie, my wife, comes out of the thing, and I'm like, we gotta go, we gotta go. And she's like, what the heck? What are you talking about? What's going on? And I just wanted to get out of the movie theater. And so I kind of waited outside to see if he would come outside. And, yeah, like, a couple minutes later, he just kind of walked outside, went down these stairs and left.
- [130:18]
Ryan Rosillo
And I was Barnes and Noble.
- [130:19]
Ceruti
Should I have. No, not the Barnes and Noble. Down to the bagel place there. I think it's called Goldberg's. What's up? And I was like, did I. Did I kind of pussy out? Like, should I have done something? But I was like, I don't want to get stabbed at a movie theater in West Hartford in the middle of the day on a date with my wife. Like, So I just kind of let it go, but I didn't feel good about it afterwards. I'm like, should I have said something? Should I have? I'm not gonna call the police. I don't know. I didn't know what to do. So I guess that's my. My life advice is, what should I have done in that situation?
- [130:41]
Kyle
Date night. You don't ruin date night like that over that, you know? Now, if you and the boys were going to see one battle after another, I mean, maybe it's just the energy sticks, Testosterone topped up.
- [130:54]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, like, you know what?
- [130:54]
Ceruti
I gotta fight somebody.
- [130:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Yeah, I don't think that movie's in that level, though. I think it's a little too artsy for you to have that kind of adrenaline if you're going to see Predator Warrior. If you had seen Warrior and then let that go, then, yeah, I'd be like, did you learn anything from Tom Hardy? Okay. This is one of those classic things where everyone is going to say, oh, if that had happened to me. And it's like, you cannot replicate that feeling of what is going on as it is happening. And it's basically doused in uncertainty because you're pretty sure, but you're not 100% sure.
- [131:40]
Kyle
No cameras.
- [131:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Right. And you have to be 100% sure if you're going to accuse somebody of stealing the wallet. And also, you were right. He was clearly trying to steal your wallet, but walking away in the whole thing. I mean, were you? I think you're a pretty reasonable guy. Did you like your chances against this guy?
- [131:58]
Ceruti
He's probably my size, but again, I don't. I don't know. Like.
- [132:01]
Ryan Rosillo
But you were angrier.
- [132:03]
Ceruti
I didn't have any weapons on me. Who know, There was no metal detector on the way in. Who knows what could have happened if I, like, actually tried to do something, you know what I mean? And I'm like, am I going to ruin. I've got two kids. Like, look, I'm not going to. It just isn't where I'm at in life. Yeah. The consequences situation. Yeah. So I just kind of let it. Let it die.
- [132:18]
Kyle
His comeback is hilarious, though. I was like, I wasn't taking your wall. I was saying, what's up? Like, that's how you know he's dead wrong. If that's what.
- [132:24]
Ceruti
That's what I knew. I was like, dude, this is like you were just standing in no man's land. And then as soon as you tug in my wall, you have to go pee. Okay, dude. But it's like, you're right. Like, in my head, I'm like, am I. Am I meeting. Am I reading this wrong? And then, you know, days go by, like, there's no way I read that wrong.
- [132:39]
Ryan Rosillo
No one has better. No one has better reactions than the person that wasn't in the situation. So, yeah, congrats to you and congrats to us. Little bonus Monday there with the way the taping worked out, thanks to Kyle, thanks to Ceruti. Make sure. I think we still have a few hoodies left on the barstool merch sale. I think it's still 20% off a couple of sizes have sold out the RSLO hoodie from Legends, so just want to get that in there as well. Please subscribe to the pod and our YouTube page. We'll be back with a good 10 minutes on the NBA on Tuesday as well, and a great rest of the week as well. So again, subscribe the Ryan Russell show, part of the Barstool Network.