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The Ryen Russillo Show
Why Money Doesn’t Fix College Football, NFL QB/NBA Star Player Comps, & Texas Tech Coach Joey McGuire
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On your face no matter how your scorecard shakes out. The Ryan Rosillo show presented by DraftKings. On today's show, we're packed for you. I have some thoughts on the Big Ten taking on private money and what it means and what it actually solves. More likely what it doesn't solve. We're going to Talk with Joey McGuire, head coach of the Texas Tech Red Raiders, number five in the playoff rankings. His path from Texas high school football to coaching in the power four and some love for their Heisman candidate in Lubbock, Jacob Rodriguez. And something we did on our NBA a good 10 minutes, went a little bit longer. That is our annual NFL quarterbacks and their NBA player comps. And we've got life advice. Only a few weeks in and the NBA season is already wild. Stars are going off, rookies are making noise, and the action doesn't stop. DraftKings sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NBA is where you can get in on all of it with more markets open for more of the games. 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I'm more interested in something else going on with college football, a story out of the Big Ten, which I'm sure you've read about. The Big Ten was looking at taking on an investment from UC Investments for $2.4 billion, just cash right in your hand, handed out to all the Schools for a 10 stake in the Big Ten moving forward, they would start a new company called Big Ten Media, and all the revenue, you know, sponsorships, obviously the media rights a big part of this. They would have 10% of it. I don't know if it's a 19th team and technically the Big Ten's expanded here, but that's not the case. Look, I bitched about a lot of different stuff. Playoff expansion that I hate, conference realignment that I hate even more now, these imbalanced schedules that we have where schools are having two completely different experiences within its own conference scheduling and all that kind of stuff. But look, it's tough to pass up the cash. However, I would credit Michigan and usc, who both come out publicly and said that they're not for this. So I don't know what that means. There was some stuff that was hinted that, you know, the Big Ten said that or, excuse me, Michigan was accusing Petiti or somebody saying, like it was hinted that we would be punished or harmed for not being on board. You see, investment said something like, hey, everybody's going to get on the same page. So I don't know if this thing's necessarily going to fall apart or not, but I find it fascinating that it's even on the table. Is it me not understanding the deal? Is it me being outdated, not forward thinking, or is it me being 100 right in my criticism of what is this actually going to solve? So the way it was going to be worked out is that it was a tiered structure on the payout for the schools and it would be 190 million for Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State, 155 million to USC and Oregon, 110 million for everybody else. I did think this was really funny. It was a tweet from Tony Paul, the Detroit News, covering this. And he had talked to somebody, a source from one of the everyone else schools, the $110 million schools, poor guys. It said, quote, wait, so we're the same as Rutgers? I'll get to Rutgers a little bit later on. So on the investment side, I actually think this is incredibly smart. You're trying to figure out a way to park over $2 billion in investment that has a really nice track record of just expanding revenue that nobody can ever seem to put a projection on that would cap this. I mean, every new TV deal that's announced is like, what did they get? It doesn't have any risk. I mean, sure, okay, fine, you could argue that there's risk in everything. But I don't know, like, it, it's like, do you really, like, if you had to invest 2 billion in something right now and you had to be safe with it and you had a track record, a recent track record, especially of just exploding growth. You'd be looking at live rights for sports properties. Let's take a look at some of the numbers. I'm going to focus on the SEC and Big Ten dispersals amongst its members over the years. So going back to 2013, and these numbers are, you know, rough estimates of everything that I was able to put together looking at all this stuff the last couple days. 2013, the SEC paid its members 14.6 million PER. The Big Ten paid its members 21 million in the fiscal year of 23 to 24, the SEC paid its schools $53 million because again, there was a huge bump in the media rights. The Big Ten paid its schools $63 million. The projections for the SEC in 2028, they're saying it's going to be about $100 million per school. The Big Ten. I found a projection for 20, 27 would be 90 million. So basically, I think it's safe to say in the projections and the growth here that we're looking at these two conferences handing out around $100 million to its members by the end of this decade. The current Big Ten deal is seven years, $7 billion. If you look at the history of their television deals, you go all the way back to the 90s. It was 10 million for their rights over multiple years. Then from 07 to 2016, it was 250 million for its rights. From 17 prior to this current deal, it was $430 million for its rights. And now it's at 1 billion per. The SEC had a previous deal of 150 million. The new deal is around 800 million. So the deal prior to this one, and that's on top of ESPN paying 1.3 billion a year for six years for the new playoff, which, again, they want to expand. The reason the Big Ten went to nine conference games wasn't because of the competition. It was because they could sell it and package it and be like, we have even more. That's why the SEC eventually is going to do this, because TBA will have. They don't care about the coaches and the ads. And, hey, it's gonna be tougher to make the playoffs. Who cares? Playoffs will just expand them. Don't worry about it. You're gonna play the ninth conference game because it's more inventory to be able to sell, much like the NFL. Players. Like, you could look at the. The media rights going up and up and up because of interest and because of the lack of other live properties. But ultimately it's like, hey, how can we figure out a way to just have more inventory? The NFL is actually restricted somewhat because of the players association opposed to these conferences being like, yeah, just, I don't know, expand it. We might have 13 regular season games at some point because there's nothing better than new TV money. So since the Big Short, everyone's favorite term is, you know, basically calling everything a bubble. You know? You know, the guy, it's like he doesn't say anything else about finance other than, yeah, I don't know. It feels like a bubble. So, sure, we could keep looking the projections and the growth and be like, okay, the bubble, like, it has to be there at some point. But when is it coming for football? I don't know. I wouldn't guess. I wouldn't even predict it. Because even if you pointed to declining ratings and had some sort of dip, you know, the NFL's had dips. Major League Baseball struggled. They just came off record numbers. Basketball's had some things you can point to and be like, hey, what's going on there? Is this like a declining interest? It's like, well, you don't necessarily have to be growing your ratings every single year. You just have to be the more most important live rights thing in town. I mean, popular. The popularity of college football is like, I don't know that it's ever felt like this. And on top of that, when you own these properties, I mean, look at what the NBA's done. Look at what the NFL's done. They're like, even if we have the same number of games, it's not like the NBA is expanding its regular season like the NFL. It's like, we have so many people that are in the content game right now. If they want to be relevant, we can sell them a piece of what we have. We don't have to do one deal with one station. Remember how that's used to work that way? Like, all right, all the NBA games are on this station. And then there's like the Thursday on tnt. Now you can take the same number of games and just chop it up six or seven different ways. Have everybody in November struggle to figure out where their team is. And it doesn't really matter. You're going to make even more money because all of these streamers are like, we just need to get into the business. And you can see that with a lot of the major conference stuff like the Big Ten from time to time you're like, okay, where is this game again? I remember one time I was like, am I buying another app just to watch Oregon tonight? So the money, that bubble thing that everybody loves throwing around, good luck predicting when that's happening to live rights fees for football. So why would the Big Ten want to give up any of this? Why would they want to give a piece of any of this? Well, look, I've read there's nothing like cash in hand, right? But I've read about all the schools that are in debt, right? It's just so expensive now because you're paying the players and the coaches salaries and just the administration costs and all these different things like, hey, it's just really expensive. So we need this, this just windfall here. We need this influx of cash at the ready. So this deal makes sense for us. Let me share my sympathy for the programs that are in debt because of cost off. I hope that was clear. Teams will make the argument that it's like, well, this will help us compete. It's like, no, it's everybody else. You know, all the teams that are at the bottom of the Big Ten, that look at this windfall, they're going to be like, yeah, but, you know, all the other teams got it, and some of them are getting a lot more than you are. So you're still going to suck. Most likely Rutgers, Maryland, they move into the Big Ten. This isn't going to fix anything. If you look at college football and the structure of how lucky the people running this have been, you had free labor for decades, all right? And then once the NCAA is like, we probably can't. We can't hold them off much longer. We'll let someone else pay them through the nil. And then we had this recent thing passed where you can pay 20 million for your team. I'm not really sure how any of that works. Like, hey, are we under the cap? Like, we're going to figure out a way to go over the cap. And apparently that 20 million is for everybody. Good luck getting that if you're not a football coach at your D1 Power 4 school. But this isn't going to level the playing field for anyone. The Big Ten. And I just. I don't have any sympathy whatsoever. When you think about the structure of how this has gone forever, like, you can't turn a profit because of your operating costs prior to the 20 million coming in. Like, that's going to be your excuse. And I don't know that people are necessarily blaming that, because there's other things that I want to get to here. All right, like think about this. Head coaching buyouts. Here are some record numbers. Jimbo Fisher still has the number one spot, 77 million. Leaving a and M. Brian Kelly right behind him at number two. Leaving LSU just a couple of weeks ago, 54 million. James Franklin just a let go this season, 49 million. Charlie Weiss still has the sixth largest buyout ever in college football history at 19 million. And that was in 2009. Five. The top five are all within the last five years. But that doesn't come apparently from any of this money. Now, I've argued in the past, like, hey, when you're hitting up your boosters for all of this money that has to leak into the next time you ask them for something, they're like, hey, we just cut massive checks for you to get rid of the guy that again, we want to get rid of. But think of this, like, think of this absurd scenario here. These programs cry poor all the time because of operating Costs. And yet imagine if, like, in professional sports, imagine if the Pistons had a club of boosters. We're like, guess what? This Monty Williams thing, it's not working out. And by the way, that last year with Monty Williams, I think is one of the worst single seasons I've ever seen from an NBA coach in 40 years of watching basketball.
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I don't know.
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Ryan Rosillo
That was locked in when I was, like, 10, but you get the point. So you're running the Pistons. You're like, this is really going to hurt us here, the bottom line. But we got to get this guy out of here. We owe him 65 million. Imagine if you got to go to, like, seven or eight rich guys in Detroit who love the Pistons and also think Monty Williams should go and be like, is there any way you can help us cover the cost of the $65 million that we're going to eat by firing him? That's what these programs have. I mean, it's one thing for the boosters to be helping with the nil. They're helping if not paying all of the buyout. And these programs are still like, you know what? We need to find a way to get more cash to get ourselves out of the red. Sure, the salaries keep going up. It's an arms race. Every single year. You have to have the updated practice facility that you're showing to recruits. Apparently, if this stuff is five years old, you're behind everybody else. But, you know, when you look at these projections and you say you're likely going to be making double per team by 2030 than what you were making in, say, 2023 or 2024, like, why can't you fix this? Why do you need to do something like this? Because here's the hypothetical question I'd ask anybody that's in charge of these programs, right? Charge of an athletic department. Like, if you just humored me and said, give me the imaginary number that you would need each year, okay, for all of your members or whatever, you know, you just pick the one school and be like, give me the number, the imaginary number that you would need to feel like, okay, we're turning a profit and we're in a good place. Because I would suggest if you went to these schools at the end of the teens, you know, 2018, 2019, and said, hey, if in 10 years you're going to be making close to 100 million per program, do you think you'd be able to run an athletic department that is constantly turning a profit despite all your expenses? Do you think you'd be able to turn a profit. That would have to be a yes. I don't know that anyone expected this. Even with the explosion of live rights. The last I would say, I don't know, 10 plus years. Like if you had said to these, these, you know, I don't even know if it's, if it's a school president, I don't know if it's just the ad. But if you had said to anybody that's in charge of this stuff, would 100 million do it for you? You think they would say yes. But now I don't even know what that imaginary number is because apparently that's not going to be enough. And that's kind of what drives me crazy about all this stuff. And it reminds me of like the tuition stuff that happens right now in this country where you look at how much it costs to send a kid to a four year college and you're like, how can it be this expensive? Like, how is that school $75,000 a year, right? And you know, sometimes I think about, maybe it's just because I'm a certain age, I'm thinking about my friends, you know, the friend that's done well, he did it the right way. The job, right out of school, 401k, 2.5 kids, they can go on a decent vacation. Maybe he's pulling down a couple hundred grand he feels like he's doing, but he's making too much. So he's not going to qualify for anything, not going to qualify for any aid. So either he's paying the full boat each year for like two and a half kids, which seems impossible even if he put away as much as he could possibly put away, or the kid's going to take out all these different loans. And when you look at this stuff, and again, I was looking at it this morning, if you look at the teacher to student ratio, that's the thing you used to look at when you were looking at schools like, oh, we have this many students, we have this many teachers, you know, here's the ratio. Like, hey, this, this place looks like it's ready to go. If you look at the administration, the administrative costs of all of these schools now and some of the absurd ratios, like, you don't have to listen, this isn't even an opinion. Go and look at over the last few decades, how that number has changed. Be like, why there's one school I was looking at that was super prestigious. Their ratio of administrator to student was one to one. You're like, how is that even possible? So you're thinking is the cost of the product, the four year degree, is that become more expensive because the value of that or is that become more expensive because we've decided it needs to cost that much to cover the cost of all the other stuff that we're doing? It feels the exact same way as college football today. So look, it's a ton of cash. It's up front. I think it's a great move for UC investments. If they can pull this thing off. I don't know how long they would want to hold the position, what that means. There's plenty of this stuff that I don't understand. What I do know is it feels like no matter what happens, the cash isn't there to solve anything. As much as they're just to be spent. It's official. The Big Shack is out now. I tried one a few days ago and it lives up to the name. It's a serious burger. Two Angus beef patties, three buns, new secret sauce. It's stacked, balanced and built the right way. You get everything you expect from Shake Shack. 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And I was like, wait, wait. I was like, I'm not here to parent. I'm not here to ask for your number. I'm here to educate. And I'm here to tell you that burger's available to you. You just have to order it. I appreciate some of your Assumptions. But you can go right back up there and ask for the Shack burger. And you, too, can have a burger this size, even if you're not even ready for it. There's no rules for you. You just need access and know that it's always there for you. His mother hugged me. It was a little awkward. And he looked at me as they drove away. Even in the parking lot, he couldn't stop staring at me. Or maybe he was staring at the burger. For $9.99. It's kind of wild how much burger you get. I already said that, but I wanted to say it again. If you've been waiting to see what all the hype's about, today's the day. Go to Shake Shack and order the Big Shack. Sounds familiar. Made different. He's the head coach of the number five team in the playoff rankings, Texas Tech Red Raiders head coach Joey McGuire. Thanks for doing this today. How are you?
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Joey McGuire
Great, man. Thanks for having me.
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Ryan Rosillo
So, look, you can probably tell me, oh, the rankings don't mean anything. We have plenty of work to do and all that kind of stuff, but what is the anticipation and kind of reaction when you're sitting around wondering where you guys are going to be placed?
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Joey McGuire
And I, I'm. Maybe I'm a little bit different, but I, I, and I watched the show last night. I mean, I'm fired up about the rankings, you know, and, and, you know, I, I think it does mean something. I think it's something that we can use definitely going into next week. And I mean, we understand, like you said, that the job's not done yet. We've got a lot of stuff that we've got to do, you know, but I think it's awesome. It's great for our brand. It's great for this team. I mean, they've worked their tail off till get to this point, you know, we just got to keep it up.
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Ryan Rosillo
How do you manage? You know, you go through your first few years, is your fourth season there in Lubbock, and, you know, this is a completely new level of success and building this and feeling like, all right, the work has, has been for a good reason, but now there's like a new responsibility that you have, and it's kind of managing a bunch of college kids to make sure they don't get too excited about where they're at now. How do you handle that?
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Joey McGuire
Yeah, I, I am fortunate. I have an old team with great leaders, and, you know, it's kind of like when we played BYU and we won the game I was one of the first guys in the locker room and Jacob Rodriguez was in there. And I come up to him and give him a hug. His guys are starting to come in. And I said, man, great game. And he said to me, coach, it's awesome, but this wasn't our goal. Hey, our goal is to go one and oh, but it doesn't matter who we beat. It's all about what we had in front of us. And this just gets us closer to it. And so, like, when you have guys like that on your team, if that's the way they're talking and living, you know, and it's a lot easier to keep them motivated. This is a player led team. I have some really, really strong leaders and, you know, they've done a great job of keeping these guys really focused. And I'll be shocked if we don't play one of our best games when we go to West Virginia just because I know how hungry these guys are to get to that, get to Arlington.
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Ryan Rosillo
I want to talk about Jacob here while we have you, but before I go there, you know, the BYU game was incredibly impressive. Um, but I'm wondering if, if there was something in the Utah game because, like, we're all sitting around as college football fans like, okay, I can't wait to see this game. Right? Because the expectation of where you're at, talent you have, but knowing that you're going up there, it's a tough place to play. Winning ham is going to have those guys like ready. And it was a messy game too. In the beginning. It was one of those games. It was kind of like, what's happening here? What did you learn about your team in that spot?
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Joey McGuire
Just, it was a messy game. We had eight pre snap Phillies in that game. That was the loudest atmosphere. You know, I've been a part of, I done some research and the people that gave me their opinions, they were absolutely wrong from the standpoint that we didn't need a silent camp, so we didn't use it as much. We did change some things at the end, but what I learned was, you know, we have, we're, we're a tough team, you know, because you can't go into Utah and play those guys and not be a tough team. And just because they're so fistful. Kyle does such a great job having those guys prepared. You know, they played great defense and they want to try to beat you up. And it was, and it was a slug basket. It was two, you know, really physical ball games going at each other and.
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Ryan Rosillo
Also through that game as you lose Morton the starter, and Hammond comes in, who was, you know, a touted recruit, you know, he was, he was looked at by a lot of places. And because Hammond's different, you know, there was maybe a little bit more juice to him. And I know that me and some other college football guys from like a national perspective were like, oh, does, does Coach McGuire have like a decision to make here? And I think as I've seen the season play out, like, I can understand the trust with, with Baron who's been around. You know, he's, he's probably an unheralded guy coming into this year. Was, was that kind of funny for you and your offensive staff, for those of us on the outside to wonder if you actually had maybe a good problem at quarterback?
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Joey McGuire
Well, you know, it's always a good problem when you have multiple guys that can win. It was really cool to see Will and the response, you know, the majority of his family are from Utah. The majority of his family actually graduated from byu. So it was, it was a really cool, like he had 40 something people at the game, so it was great for him. Not surprised. He's a different cat, man. He is, he's a redshirt Preston. But it seems like when you talk to him, it's like you're talking to a vet, you know, 25 year old, pulled off player. I mean, he's a, he's really serious about wanting to be good. I was really proud of him and we needed him. You know, whenever we lost Baron, it was a close game. I think it was 10 or 7 at the time and we needed him to step up, make some big plays.
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Ryan Rosillo
He did, he did. And then Baron gets healthy, he comes back, but at least, you know, you have somebody with some experience there. Did you, did you learn more about the team in the BYU game? Because it's, it's further along in the season now. It feels like, hey, maybe the pressure's mounting here a little bit. Obviously it was great for Lubbock to get to show off for a little bit with all the eyes, you know, game day rolling in and the broadcast and the whole thing. I'm just wondering how those two teams were doing Diff or those two games were different for you?
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Joey McGuire
Yeah, we, I, I would say Utah winning that game. I was like, okay, we're for real. Like, we, we got a team that can match byu. What I saw was, okay, we're a vet team that could handle pressure, a big game. All the pageantry that's going on and you got to understand, man, our fans started camping out on Sunday, and by the time it got to Friday, there were over 2000 people in Raiderville is what they call it. And there was thousands. I mean, there was hundreds of tents and thousands of people that were camped out and, and they camped out, right, like our, we connect. Our, our football facility and our stadium connect. So it was right outside the football offices. And so every day the players came out, here's all these students, and they're seeing all this. So they see this, like, this huge buildup to this game. And so how our guys handled that game I thought was so impressive because they came out, they came out fast, and they played really, really well.
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Ryan Rosillo
I spent the weekend in Lubbock. I was there in 08 for the upset against Texas. It's always going to be a special place for me as far as all my college football travels, because it is so different. And, you know, you're as Texas as it gets, looking at your career and everything. And so, you know, what is it about Lubbock that. That, that you understand better than others? Because I, I don't know that I can describe it as well. I'll just tell people, like, hey, it's not Dallas, not Houston, not Austin. It's, it's, it's different. Obviously, there's a ton of pride with it. But then you're also, you know, hoping to sell people on Lubbock when you're talking to recruits. So what's the Lubbock pitch when you're talking to somebody thinking about playing for you?
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Joey McGuire
Well, it's a true college town, you know, and, and one of those three cities that you've named used to be a college town. It's not anymore because it's, you know, growing so much, but Austin, but, you know, like Tech Lovett still, Tech is, is in the center of the, the town. And everything's built around this university. Everywhere you go, everywhere you go, you go into. I'm from the majority of my career and I graduate from Crowd, which is South Fort Worth. I mean, you go anywhere in Dallas Fort Worth, you're going to see every logo known to man in every pro sport, in every college sport. You do the same thing in Houston, you come to love it, man. You're wearing another logo besides Texas Tech. And in town, somebody's going to say something to you, you know, like, there's double T's everywhere. Everywhere you go. Where we have taken it this to a next level is we feel like we have the best facility in the Country. We opened up a $250 million facility with the Wamba Football center and the south end zone. So you're. You're walking into a place that is as good, if not the best in the country. And then of course, I mean, the world that we live now in 2025, money, the revenue sharing, we're doing that at the highest level. And so the selling point is like, man, you get to come playing a true college town where the fan base is absolutely passionate about this university. We're going to play in front of sellouts every single. I mean, like, every game this year. But my first year was the only year that there was a game that we didn't call a sellout. Every other year that we've been here, two, three or four, we've sold out every game. Not. So there's a lot of places that we're going to. We're recruited against that. And I could show happy, empty stadiums to where. And this place is rocking. And so we sell that. And then. That was a great place, man. It's. It's. It's kind of 300,000 plus people. It's growing like crazy. The food's absolutely incredible out here. You know, like, there's a hole in the wall. Places you can get the best and best, whatever that that is that they have. And I think that's important now. I got think it's important to make sure you're not in a Metroplex or you're not in a huge city, that ugly things are important. You know, Texas Tech and our teams are extremely important to level.
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Ryan Rosillo
This off season. Everyone talked about the portal. Okay. And whether it was you or lsu, I would see like one or two, depending on which outlet was reporting like the most talent coming in. And, you know, you were building this thing up. And now in year four, I'm just giving you a perspective from the outside. But it also felt like, okay, it seems like the people behind Tech have decided we're going for it this year. We're loading up, we're investing in this. Obviously, I'm talking about money on top everything else. So can you give us more perspective into what felt like.
- [32:24]
Seruti
I don't.
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Ryan Rosillo
Reset feels wrong, Coach, but it seems as if the priorities were ramped up leading up to building this roster for 25. So what happened?
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Joey McGuire
Yeah, I mean, I kind of look at it. It's as Texas hold a man. We pushed our chips all in, you know, from the building of the facilities to the nil to the revenue sharing. What happened was you have A incredible donor. And he's also the chairman of our board of regents. That's, you know, one thing's outside the box, but two, I think it was ahead of a lot of the curve of a year. You know, it's been over a year, but in July, not this year, but last July, his thought was, you're fixed to have two worlds collide. You're going to have NIL collide with revenue sharing. And so there's going to be a bigger pot of money if you can go out and raise that money in nil. And, you know, now the revenue share flies. And he said, we're going to be extremely aggressive in that world. And he challenged us. Coaching staff, my personnel staff, my gm, hey, whenever this happens, let's be ready. And so when the portal opened up, you know, we. I felt like, you know, I had a great evaluation and a great plan to get Romello Height and Lee Hunter, you know, and Reggie Virgil and, you know, Bull Wisniski, on and on and on. And then, you know, you've got a David Bailey sitting out there during spring training that we couldn't pass up. So you're just, you added some pieces. But then you also got Baron Morton to say, and you got Jacob Rodriguez to stay. Who could have come out last year than a late round draft kick? And so I just say, you had a guy, Cody Campbell, with a plan and we ran with it, you know, and he had our backs. And that's one thing, man, I'm just trying to. It's another thing with me. I'm just trying to make Cody and John Sellers, Mike Wallace, Dustin Wable, Gary Peterson, all the great, great Raiders that got behind this roster. I'm just trying to make them right. Like, I'm just trying to say, hey, look, money well spent.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, because that's the challenge in this. You know, one of the things that I would talk with different staffs about with the NIL is like, okay, well now everybody feels like you're going to get involved. And then I'm thinking, okay, but then how many, like, people are doing it? Because it's almost like a new money deal where it's like, oh, well, now we can do it this way, so let's, let's go. Like, who can, who can we go and get? And then you're almost in a hurry to just complete the transaction, that sometimes the evaluation isn't right or you don't have enough access to the kid to understand. Like, is he about the money and commitment to the team or is he just about the money and then we're bringing in the wrong guys. So it feels like you deserve a lot of credit. I know Cody's name has been out there because he's obviously a very front facing guy and all this stuff, but it seems like you've. You've done an incredible job of like, all right, we're ramping this up, but we're ramping it up for the right people, which I think is. Is really challenging today in college football.
- [35:35]
Joey McGuire
Yeah, that, that, that's the key, man. You've gotta, it has to have. It's gonna happen fast. I mean, speed Dane. You just gotta try to be able to ask the right questions and they try to find people that you can connect to. I mean, perfect story. Matt Brown is a very good friend of mine. I, I've had four players play for Matt, University of Texas and Howard Sampson. Whenever Mac was no longer coaching at North Carolina, Howard Sampson got in the transfer portal. Howard's our left, starting left tackle and he's a Texas kid and we got involved in recruiting him. Well, whenever he was on his visit, I knew how much he loved coach Brown. So I FaceTimed Coach Brown and said, hey, I need your help. He said, can you phone to the Howard Sampson and I need him to be a Red Raider. And so I handed the phone to Howard and Matt did what Mac does. I mean, Max the best whenever it comes to that and relationships. And. And he told him, I wished I could do a good Mac Brown voice, but he told him, he said, hey, you need to go to Texas Tech. And, and so, man, we reached out to people that we could connect to. And then the other thing that we really try to figure out is like, Cole was Neski. He was at North Dakota State, and at one point he was a captain. You know, all things. Like Corey was injured. And so if you're a captain, you know, you've got qualities that we really want on this team. And so we also try to find guys like that that have been leaders, you know, at their team of whatever level they play at.
- [37:12]
Ryan Rosillo
I want to talk about your path because you get right into coaching. You're an assistant on a high school staff and, you know, you're navigating all this stuff. And I'm wondering, like, every one of us daydreams, right? But is this going exactly according to plan or is is this beyond anything you would have expected when you go back to your coaching days in high school?
- [37:37]
Joey McGuire
And I, I've absolutely lived the dream for the last 31 years. You know, I. I was really fortunate. I was hired by Robert Woods. He's a Hall of Famer, you know, in. In Texas high school football. If I. Again, it's. It's been so sad that if I had to work for him, I wouldn't be able to do this. Matt Rule. I'm not hired by Matt Rule. I don't feel like I'm here at Texas Tech, you know, and it's been such an incredible ride and a learning experience for everybody that I've worked with. I've taken so much from. From each person and what we believe in. But it is like sometimes, I mean, I still remember. I mean, I'm 34 years old. We go 16, and, oh, we won the first state championship. Not just first state championship, the first playoff game that Cedar Hill ever won in the history of their school. They've been playing football since 1932. We win the first playoff game in 2006, win it all. And I'm pinching myself there, you know, and then turn around. We have a great storied run at Cedar Hill. And then Matt Rule hires me. Turn around. A really, you know, tough situation at Baylor, and we're playing for the Victoria championship in 2016. I stay at Baylor. I came in second. You know, it came down to me and David Randall. We the head coach at Baylor, and I come in second. It was my son's senior year. He played at Baylor. So I say I'm glad that Coach Uranda kept me and I'm a part of the 2021, you know, baseball championship. Get hired here, and we're just trying to do that. We're trying to get in that game and win that game. But it's. I've been so fortunate to be around great people. That's. That's where I think I've been so lucky to learn from those guys, you know, to get you on that right now.
- [39:34]
Ryan Rosillo
There may be a really obvious answer for this one, and that would just be based on what the coach wants. But when I think about all of these legendary high school coaches, especially a place like Texas, where it just matters so much, the difference between that Texas legend who never gets a taste of coaching his own power for program, and somebody like you who's winning state titles in a place that hadn't won before, and then you get the call from Rule, and. And now here you are in the Big 12. It can be a personal preference thing, but for the people, that's not a personal preference. What do you think the difference is between a coach like yourself, that gets the opportunity and someone else who's always in high school.
- [40:13]
Joey McGuire
Me making the decision cannot promise your life. Lee Wheedington, he's the head coach. Allen, I think he's one of the greatest coaches in the country at any level. I mean, he could be doing this. There's guys, you know, that have done it, Art Bras, you know, and did it at high level. Gus, when I was on was a high school coach. He's done a high level. It's just an opportunity, man. I was, you know, winning and being at the right place and then at timing's everything because I had opportunity to go to college football from 2006 to 2016, but I wanted to coach my kids, I wanted to coach my daughter and I wanted to coach my son. And so in 16, you know, I went to Baylor. I just knew at that point everything was about to change. Like my son wasn't going to be in the locker room. My son, he grew up under my desk in my coach's office, you know, being around all the time. So I knew it was going to change. So that was a perfect time for me to make a change if I had that opportunity. And it worked out perfect that I did. And then, and just, you know, where can you tell off and, and sticking with what you believe in, I think good things can happen. And I've been really fortunate that good things are happening. And I'm at a place like I always tell everybody, man, I'm at my Greece, you know, like you haven't heard my name in any other jobs. Greece haven't. Because I tell my people that it's funny. My 13 year old self laughs every time I say this. I tell my people to represent me. Look, I'm a Red Raider, man. Don't be putting my name in any job or people call you tell them I'm not interested. I'm. I'm here to stay. Just so fortunate to be in that situation.
- [41:54]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I don't know if that's entirely accurate on the rumor side of it because, because whatever you're doing, you're handling your business, but I mean it's, it's got to be a compliment. Maybe you don't care. I don't know. I mean, I know that you have to be kind of political about the whole thing, but when you're mentioned with, hey, LSU fans are interested LSU boosters. So I'm, I'm speaking of the rumor side of it of like your name coming up as, as a name in the wish list for another Program. But how do you handle that?
- [42:24]
Joey McGuire
Yeah, you know, I, it's one of those deals. My God's new. No, you know, we, we. They've heard me say it many times, how lucky I am to be in love. Talking about my players, you know, and there's rumors, but I think there's also like, when you hear continuous rumors, people are like fanning that and all different, you know, directions. It could be the fan base, but it's also some of the coaches on their side, you know. And so I, I think with me, I don't, you know, I, my, my administrator, our administration knows, my AD knows, Cody Campbell knows. Man, I'm a Red Raider, man. I, I told him whenever I got the job. And I mean it. Every day makes it even stronger. But shoot, I'll be. I hope I don't die anytime soon, but I'll be here until I die. Cause I'll never retire. My Covid narrative killed me from the standpoint of not being around the players. So my wife knows that we'll be doing this for a long time.
- [43:22]
Ryan Rosillo
I want to talk about Jacob Rodriguez, your outstanding linebacker. Just to run through the resume here, if the people may not know, but you should. He's got, I think 32 more tackles than anyone else on the defense. He's got seven force fumbles on the season. He's got a touchdown on one of those. He's got four interceptions. That leads your team. You had him carried in from two yards out for a nice touchdown, which I love the post game because I was watching. I've said for a long time, I think the Heisman is one of the least informed voting groups of all time. And they look, they go with the quarterback, which I totally understand the value of the quarterback, but then there's these little moments. So I'm hoping for your sake and Jacob's sake, you keep handing it off to him because then you'll have a bunch of voters being like, hey, did you see that Gordy lockbomb going on in Texas there? Like, this is a two way, two way linebacker. All he needs is like three or four touchdowns. He's going to be in New York.
- [44:14]
Joey McGuire
Yeah, that was planned, you know, and, and he, you know, he played quarterback in high school and so it's not like he has it down before. And you know, my, my deal, like, like last year, Travis Hunter, Travis Hunter should have won it. Nobody else should have been in the conversation. You know, I, I know we're running back at Boise State and have a lot of respect for him. But I always look at life, who's done what they are doing. You know, whenever you look at Ashton, he had an incredible year, but Barry Sanders had done that. You know what Travis Spunner did last year, there's very few people, if any, that have done that. You'd have to wait, probably go back for the 30s and 40s to find two way players that were actually doing at the level that Travis is doing. So whenever I'm looking at it, I think that Ohio State quarterbacks having a great year, but he's not having the greatest year of all time. You know, I think the Indiana quarterback, we're going to stud. We played him against Dingle or he's a cow. He is a stud, but again, he's not putting up numbers that haven't been put out with one. So whenever you're talking about people like that, you're talking about the best player in college football, then I, I think you got to turn and look at Lyle. Is somebody doing something that other people haven't done before? Jacob Rodriguez, the amount of turnovers that he's creating, he's creating more turnovers than majority of teams in college football just by himself, by their entire defense. He's doing something that hadn't been done. We got to at least acknowledge his plan. If you don't win to Eisenhower, he should at least be in New York and acknowledge that you're doing something in college football that hasn't been done before or very few people in the history of football have done. And that's my fault. You know, like, you know, I, I think, and I think it's a great story, man. The dude is a, he was a scholarship quarterback at Virginia who whenever Bronco men called out, he decided to leave Virginia. So he walks on at Texas Tech. I didn't have a scholarship. And I told him, J Rod, I don't want you at quarterback. If you want to come to Tech, you gotta play linebacker. And so he walks on to play linebacker. He sleeps on his brother's floor for a semester because. And he's taken out a loan to pay for his school. I did tell him, I said, as soon as I have a scholarship, you're in. This was three nil. It's like we know it. And then sure enough, I had a scholarship in the summer, he gets the scholarship, we start the Matador club. So he's, you know, gets the, our collective starts doing that and, and so, you know, it's just such a great story. And he's, he did it last year too, man. He was, he was a stud last year and so it's not like this dude just has come on the scene. So I think it's important. Whenever you're looking at college football, let's, let's take our hat off to people that are doing something that hadn't been done before.
- [47:17]
Ryan Rosillo
One of my favorite plays from him this season too is in the BYU game where the ball, everybody thought it was a pass. He was like the only guy around the ball that knew it was a fumble. And I'm like that is him. That is him. And he's just locked in the entire time because he was a quarterback. Was he bad or was he too big?
- [47:36]
Joey McGuire
No, he would, he wasn't bad.
- [47:38]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, I didn't think you were going to say bad. I mean he was good enough to go to Virginia. He's clearly like yeah right. I mean so go ahead. I interrupted you.
- [47:44]
Joey McGuire
Whenever we were at Baylor he, he was playing quarterback and you would see do some different stuff. They playing like a little bit of safety, a little this little that body type man, he just looks like a linebacker. He was playing quarterback like a linebacker. And so we talked to him about, you know, playing defense. Whenever I was at Baylor and he was just set on playing quarterback and my room meaning you couldn't even discuss it whenever you. I wanted him on the team. I knew how good of a player he was. And at that time we had Tyra Shuck, we had Donovan Smith and we had Barry Morgan in that room. And so you had three quarterbacks that were already playing. So it was like Jacob, I want you man. He's a west Texas kid. He's, he's from Wichita halls and, and so you know that that's how we got him. And, and I, I knew he know that he was going to be special. I now I didn't know he was going to do this but I'm not going to fall out the way he knocks. Fall out. I knew he was going to do a big football.
- [48:44]
Ryan Rosillo
I wouldn't normally advise this because I think the non quarterbacks are allowed to throw a pass. It's the worst play in college football because the kids get too excited. They want to make. They don't care about double coverage, they don't care about angle. They're like I'm getting this pass off and so I don't know that I would ever do it if I were a play caller in college. Like hey, I know it worked in practice. I just don't trust you in that moment. But that might be the Difference here, you could trust him with the background. So we get him the rushing touchdown, you get him throwing touchdown, maybe, maybe some Philly special forum. And then he ends up in New York and they. They won't pay attention to the tackles or the force fumbles, but they'll see this just offensive display if you guys have a spot to be able to do it. And that'll probably be the thing that gets him enough momentum to fit to, you know, end up being a finalist.
- [49:27]
Joey McGuire
Yeah, no doubt, man. We've got some stuff in foreign. You know, it worked out perfect because he was a little banged up. And I was like, man, I don't know if we want to do the wildcat stuff, but as the week went on, it was. Felt a lot better.
- [49:41]
Ryan Rosillo
So it.
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Joey McGuire
It really worked out that, you know, he felt good going with the game to where, you know, we could be able to get him, you know, in that spot. We'll have to add some stuff to it that that packers will grow throughout the rest of the year and hopefully we'll play for a long time.
- [49:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, I hope so too. It's been a lot of fun to see this story and see, you know, your story culminated in a really successful year there in your fourth year. And I'll leave you with this. It's funny because my trip there, you know, we met up with the equipment guys and they let us load up, you know, because we were at the ESPN and they had these super basic, just black Texas Tech shorts, and I just said Texas Tech and white the bottom left. And they were just simple, they were comfortable. And I wore them so much over those years. Just wore them out. And I was in Utah for a game and I would just, you know, I'd be at the hotel and I work out in the basement. I get on the elevator and I get in the elevator with a full elevator full of youths fans, and I just have my tech shorts on. And I mean, this is, you know, they just. They just looked at me and went, figures. And I took it as the biggest compliment. I was like, good. I'm like, I'm glad they were. They weren't into it. They were visibly upset. Utah fans can get real worked up about a lot of stuff, but it was great. And those things disintegrated eventually, but we'll see. Hey, thanks, coach. And looking forward to seeing how the rest of the season plays out for you.
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Joey McGuire
Appreciate you. Thanks for having me on. Rackham.
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Ryan Rosillo
Cracker Barrel is home to all the more country anytime. That means buttermilk pancakes whenever you want them homemade classics like chicken and dumplings. And a country grocery store full of fun finds. Swing by and visit cracker barrel today. 17th annual NFL quarterbacks and their NBA player equivalent. So 17 years of doing this. Probably not true. We got Seruti with this one. Who's going to be involved. He's going to be heavily involved. So, Serudi, the thing that I've loved about this historically is, like, when you nail one, you're like, this is great. But when you don't, you think years later, you're like, wow, what did I even think? So in the moment, you know, like, there's ones that I used to love that I was thinking about. Now I'm like, I don't think it works anymore. So it's not just about physical stuff, Although there's definitely some physical appearance stuff. It's like, it's kind of whatever you want it to be, but you've got to sell it a little bit. So I know you have something you want to review. Do you want to wait at the end for that?
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Seruti
Yeah, I think. I think you do this year's, and then I. Because I want to see if you have some of the same ones. But there were some doozies last year that I, I. Fantastic. So I think we. I think we let you do a fresh slate this year. Then I'll remind you of what happened last year and see if you're still on the same page.
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Ryan Rosillo
Well, because that's the thing is, I think they. They change in the moment. I'm sure that's exactly how I felt. Okay, this one's. We're going. We're going for it on the first one. Lemony Yama, Drake may. Now, let me sell it. Physically, there's just no quarterback we can compare to. To women. Yami. Even prime Cam Newton. But then again, even the best version of Cam Newton. I don't think you were ever thinking, like, hey, will this guy have the belt at quarterback? Even though he did have the MVP season. I would say it this way, and that Wembanyama, who not shockingly, is hurt now, that was announced as today, as of today of this taping. But the jump from two to three, what we've seen the first few weeks, that I thought people were in a hurry to anoint him as a top five guy, certainly top 10 because of defensive impact. But what I saw from him at his best, I'm like, okay, this guy's, like, easily top five. And now this is. This is in play for him to be the best player in the league a couple years from now, probably. Right. But with that would become resume playoff experience, that kind of stuff, playoff success. So look, is Drake May going to be the best quarterback in the NFL? That would still seem unlikely, but he is just off the charts this year. Number two in qbr, number one in completion percentage, number one in yards, number one in yard yards per attempt. There's all sorts of stats that just check every single box. He's not really. It's not like he has a loaded team around him, which there's a lot of pieces with the Spurs. I think Castle's jumped the second year. Fox just getting back and healthy. Kelvin Johnson's been better for him this year. Harper their top pick, been hurt, so he hasn't get to play a ton. So it's not like Wemby's playing with like two hall of Famers. Though with this and May's roster, I would say the path's probably the bottom, bottom 16 as opposed to top 16 for the most talented roster. So really this is about how soon they are part of a conversation that certainly in May's case, none of us thought this was going to be happening in his second year. There's more people who thought this was where Wembanyama was supposed to be in his third year. But yeah, I was just a little bit more hesitant. Like I'd want to see a little bit more of it than before. People putting together top top five lists and having him in it this summer before we even saw what he was like the beginning of this year. All right. Nothing. No reaction.
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Seruti
Do you want me to react to all these.
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Ryan Rosillo
I don't know, a little bit. You don't have to. I'll hang out.
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Seruti
I. I think I didn't have one for. For Drake. I. I get what you're saying. Like, who. Who do you think is the most physically gifted quarterback of all time? And then that's when you go, okay. Is it like Elway?
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Elway's in the conversation. You know, I know people will say Cam because of his size, but I don't think as a thrower anybody would compare him to like Aaron Rodgers peak. Aaron Rodgers, just a thrower of the football, I think is the best thing I've ever seen. But then you combine everything that Elway could do. I mean, Josh Allen might be physically the most gifted guy. Lamar's arm becoming what it's been is. Is probably in that too, just because of the way Lamar can make everybody miss. But I'll. I'll keep running through These. All right. I was trying to come up with one for Stafford and I thought about Kawhi and it's like, okay, one ring, he's going to be thought historically as an all timer, but it was never necessarily like his league, even though there's an argument in 2019. But again, 2019, the reason they won the ring is because two hall of Famers in the warriors went down. But I don't think that's fair to Stafford because now Kawhi just doesn't play. He's not a great partner. Stafford is clearly like the best partner ever and exactly what McVeigh wants out of a quarterback. So what if we go Durant, I.
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Seruti
Had the same thing.
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Ryan Rosillo
Did you really?
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Seruti
I did, yeah. Because, you know, it's. He like, Stafford's your quarterback's your favorite quarterback's favorite quarterback. And I feel like Durant is like.
- [56:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Your Hooper's favorite Hooper.
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Seruti
And I think they're likely underrated, but for different reasons. Like, they're probably not given the respect that they're due. For totally different reasons. Durant's is a lot of different off the court things. Yada, yada, yada. Who he is yelling at random eggs on Twitter.
- [56:27]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, but that's not even that bad. Like, in the grand scheme of off the court things, like to rant around for this long, there's nothing really.
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Seruti
He's a fine. He's not a bad guy. I'm just saying, like, no, there's distractions around him that kind of make people not like him or at least respect his game as much. Whereas Stafford, it's more of like he played in Detroit for half his career. And like, his. I think I just saw a stat the other day that he just hit. His record is now above.500 for the first time ever, which is because I've loved Stafford forever and I'm just so happy won that one ring because it's like, thank God. Like, this validates how good this guy is. And now like, he might be the MVP this year and both these guys are older, still playing at the top of their game. So, yeah, Durant, I thought was because Durant, I think last year we had Rodgers, which also makes sense. But I don't like that one as much now.
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Ryan Rosillo
No. And Durant will take a ton of shit forever, historically, unless he wins a ring in Houston, where his rings are going to be devalued by the basketball public, which I completely understand that would not be the case necessarily for Stafford. I think your Hooper's favorite Hooper quarterback's Favorite quarterback is the perfect way to say this. All right, a little off menu here. Cam Thomas, Shador Sanders.
- [57:40]
Seruti
All right.
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Ryan Rosillo
They both think they're awesome. Cam's done a little bit more at the professional level. To be fair to Cam, he was also. Not everybody's. Like, he wasn't on the radar for anybody. Restricted free agency, Chador's Draft day fall. But the people that like them think they're awesome.
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Joey McGuire
Yeah.
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Ryan Rosillo
All right. I don't think we need to add any of that. Okay. In the past, we like Lamar was Embiid because there was a significant drop off regular season of the playoffs. Both had NVP Lamar in the conversation for best quarterback Embiid at the time. Mvp. Like, in the conversation of is this guy, like, I never thought he was actually better than Jokic, but he wins the MVP that season, that's fine. And I actually voted for him that year.
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Seruti
All right, you regret it, but you voted for him.
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Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Clear. Just to be totally transparent here. So the Lamar Embiid thing worked. It worked. I saw some people after we do this, usually couple shows would do it, you know, glad everybody's having fun. It was basically like, hey, just make Lamar Harden. But I thought everybody really liked Lamar. And prior to the last couple years, I still felt like a lot of people really liked Embiid. I don't know that anyone outside of Houston necessarily loved Harden, so there's also a popularity part of this. I don't know if there's an Embiid, but I'll throw it at you. Is Embiid Burrow. Oh, just because of the health thing and numbers, man.
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Seruti
I just like Burrow's attitude so much more. I just feel like Burrow is a dude and Embiid. I don't know. There's just. I don't know. I don't want to.
- [59:29]
Ryan Rosillo
It's been a tough couple years for Embiid.
- [59:31]
Seruti
I think that's disrespectful to Burrow.
- [59:34]
Ryan Rosillo
Is Burrow Zion disrespectful?
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Seruti
I thought about it. But, like, Burrow's injury situation isn't because he likes to enjoy New Orleans or Cincinnati. He doesn't like Skyline Chile. You know, like, Burrow's things feel unfortunate, whereas Zion's thing feels self inflicted. But I get what you're saying.
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Ryan Rosillo
Like, but.
- [59:53]
Seruti
But the thing, the only thing is, like, Zion was supposed to be this generational whatever guy, and Burrow was kind of like, not that. And he just is like, wait, is Burrow now, like one of the best Quarterbacks. It just sucks that we don't see him play. I, I didn't have one for Burrow, so I don't have a great one. I'm, I'm open. I'm all ears.
- [60:07]
Joey McGuire
Burrow.
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Ryan Rosillo
Zion is disrespectful. Burrow played in a Super Bowl. Zion has been in the league for seven years, hasn't played in a playoff game, so that one doesn't work. Maybe there's a little Louisiana top overall pick thing there, but that's, that's a bit of a reach. So I don't know that there's a really perfect one for Embiid like it was in the past because Lamar's approval rating is so much higher than Embiid's is now. How about this one? And this is about the positive sign of it. Lamar Anthony Edwards. So you've got Lamar's last playoff run off of the 24 season. Those games are better. The only other game that he had prior to that was a couple years ago, the Houston game. But the overall numbers, regular season to the playoffs, there's still that dropout. But I think we all feel better about Lamar after the last couple playoff games. Even though, you know, again, he didn't even make to the AFC title game. And you could say in the 24 finals run, Western Conference finals, I should say there are a couple moments there, but he's as much fun to watch as anyone in the league, I think. You know, there's just kids everywhere in every single market for both leagues where Ant or Lamar are their favorite players. And I think from a positive standpoint of the players personality, of how much fun it is, and still being short of that ultimate moment where Lamar is a quarterback's gonna get more shit. But like Ant, if he doesn't get out of the west here in a couple years, it's gonna be the exact same thing. So I think if we focus at least on the positive and then maybe the potential negative, that makes more sense than what we've done with Lamar in the past.
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Seruti
I like it both, like kind of for the culture, dudes, you know, like, keep it real. Both of them are, you know, I think themselves, which is refreshing. That's why we like them. You know, they're not afraid to be who they are. They're confident.
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Ryan Rosillo
I feel like you know exactly who they are.
- [61:40]
Seruti
Yeah, yeah. And I think that's why people like them. So I, I, I'll take that. I think that, I think that's better for Lamar because I've now the Lamar Embiid things feels, feels just. Anyone you compare to Embiid is going to be disrespectful.
- [61:50]
Ryan Rosillo
I feel like. So Josh, Allen, Luca.
- [61:54]
Seruti
I thought I had. I thought about it, but just totally different types of athletes, you know, like. Like Luca is just kind of a fat Europe. Oh, he's not fat anymore, I guess so. I can't say that he's traditionally a fat European guy who just is like, you know, incredibly skillful. Whereas Josh is just 99. If he creates a quarterback, he created Madden, basically. That's unfair.
- [62:17]
Ryan Rosillo
Allen now, when they're in the goal line, it's like, hey, you're just going to run in it every time because.
- [62:21]
Seruti
He never gets hurt.
- [62:22]
Ryan Rosillo
Unstoppable. And Luca is just. Once he's inside the paint, it's like, well, which way is he going to score? Or am I going to foul him? Or is he going to kick it out to the corner for a wide open 3? It's like once he's here, it's sort of over. And basically it's like whether Allen is in the conversation to actually be better than Mahomes right now. Luca, I think at his best, you know, I don't know that I've ever. I've never had him ahead of Jokic, but there's probably been times where it's Luca or Giannis. For me, there's a chance he could be the best player in the league still, because he's still so young. Allen certainly has a chance. I'm sure plenty of people believe right now, and the stats would back you up, that Allen is actually better than Mahomes. They weren't saying that after the Miami game, but anyway, I think that one. I think that one makes sense. If you're thinking about, does this person, or this player in this case, have the chance to be the single best player in their respective league? And yet they don't have that ultimate prize. But they've gotten really, really close.
- [63:11]
Seruti
You know what it is too, I feel like, is. And the reason I'm thinking about it, I like it more in their sport. I mean, you could probably say Jokic on this, but I do. I think Jokic's like, surroundings are mostly better than what Luke has had in his career. I think those guys, like, as far as they just. They just take their team as far as they could physically go, basically. Whereas, like, I think Mahomes, he has Annie Reed and help. Like, Lamar's got a good organization, you know, has had a decent team around him. I think they're like, like sga, Jokic, Giannis, I think they've had like good things around them, whereas I think those two guys, it's kind of all on them all the time.
- [63:48]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I think. I think there's another good part of that. I mean, when you start watching Allen's receivers here, I mean, Shakira's a nice receiver, but I mean, Davis is back. Yeah. I mean there's. This isn't loaded and you know, it's not like Luca has had a loaded team around him. Although you could argue the style of play that he has that really you just need defensive rim runners and then shooters all around him. You can't have another dominant on ball guy. Although, look, Kyrie was terrific for them for the most part up until the NBA Finals. Okay, what else do we got? What else we got? How about Baker Mayfield, Jalen Brunson?
- [64:25]
Seruti
I had Donovan Mitchell, but it's kind of a similar thing. Yeah. Guy who kind of is overachieved. Smaller.
- [64:32]
Ryan Rosillo
I kind of like, are we guilty of just small.
- [64:35]
Seruti
Yeah, probably the guard. Okay.
- [64:38]
Ryan Rosillo
But I think there's more to that. I mean, Brunson start to his career is certainly better than Baker's. Baker's on his eighth head coach here. All right. But he settled in and with a new team, his fan base appreciates him so much. Even though it's like, look, they had Brady Brunson, the same exact thing. And it's so much fun. But you could, if you were going to touch on the net, it's like, this is awesome, but there might be a ceiling that's a little bit lower than we'd like to admit.
- [65:05]
Seruti
I think that's fair. Yeah. Like he was in the mvp. Baker being in the MVP conversation like three or four weeks in and now it's like really sort of cooled off. But then again, like he's lost a lot of the offensive weapons, so who knows? I think yours is probably slightly better. But as I think I enjoy watching Donovan Mitchell play and I enjoy watching Baker play. I think that's why I put them together. I don't really love Jalen as much. He's kind of a foul hunter. He's a tough watch, actually, if you really get into it. Sorry, Knicks fans.
- [65:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Wow. Yeah. Okay. Jaw. There is no quarterback. He's a wide receiver.
- [65:38]
Seruti
I.
- [65:40]
Ryan Rosillo
You have one.
- [65:40]
Seruti
I do have Ja. I think it's Kyler mostly because I think both teams kind of just not so secretly are done with them and they. There's a lot of feelers. Like he. Did he get quietly Bench. He gets put on. Put on ir Like, Jaws. Been in trade rumors. Like, who even wants him? What's his value? I think both guys are really talented. Like, I. Shit, I'll say it. Like, three, four years ago, I think it was first or second year. I was all in on Kyler.
- [66:06]
Ryan Rosillo
I love Kyler.
- [66:07]
Seruti
And now I'm like. I'm embarrassed to say that out loud, but. And the same thing with Ja. Like, it's just like, oh, wait, I used to love this dude, and now I just. He's a huge pain in the ass. So I feel like. I feel like. But it's mostly because I feel like both teams don't want them anymore, and they're kind of good, but not really. But their trade value is probably not much, so add them together.
- [66:24]
Ryan Rosillo
Kyler was always the Trey one, but I actually think that's unfair to Trey now, even if you can make the argument, hey, the Hawks are now better. We'll see how this goes. But, you know, there's definitely more and more of the Hawks are better without Trey. Your offense isn't as good. Your late shot clock options are not as good. Your defense is definitely better. Arizona said we're done. So Memphis hasn't said that about Jaw. Atlanta's never going to say, but we'll see what happens if they don't offer him the full max, which, you know, could stay mean that, hey, we still want to stay in business with you. We just don't want to pay you that much. I don't think Trey's going to love that. So, yeah, I'm with you. I think Jaw is better. The Kyler Trey thing worked better years prior, but now it feels disrespectful to Trey, so JA works out better. Anthony Bennett, Anthony Richardson.
- [67:12]
Seruti
I had Ben Simmons for Anthony Richardson.
- [67:15]
Ryan Rosillo
That works.
- [67:16]
Seruti
Not good either way.
- [67:19]
Ryan Rosillo
What about Dylan Gabriel? Reed Shepherd? I don't even know what that is.
- [67:25]
Seruti
Like, the how do. How did they get here?
- [67:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Guy.
- [67:29]
Seruti
Situation. No, Reed was. Listen, Reed's been playing really well, so I. I'm happy.
- [67:33]
Ryan Rosillo
That's not. That's not a good one. How about this one? How about J.J. mcCarthy, Jonathan Kaminga?
- [67:42]
Seruti
I couldn't think of one for McCarthy.
- [67:44]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, guys too soon.
- [67:45]
Seruti
Yeah, but who? Just, like, oh, I don't know. Like, I think Scoot is the decent one, where he's like, hey, you watch them for, like, a really short sample size. You go, oh, boy, this might be bad. Hey, I know, I know, I know. Scoot's kind of turned it around, but it's like who's the guy who like three games in, you're like, oh, this might be, this might be a mess.
- [68:02]
Ryan Rosillo
Rookie year Scoot is a really good one for JJ because there's some of totally lost. Yeah, like what's going on here, buddy? Andy Dalton, Joel Ingles. That one's the easiest one. Okay, so what did you have for Mitchell again?
- [68:22]
Seruti
I had Baker.
- [68:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, what about Mitchell, Dak?
- [68:30]
Seruti
I've kind of been on this thing that I think Dak is Tatum, but the Tatum. The Celtics title kind of ruined that because I think they're both good, but I also think they're just a step below. I, I actually think Dak is really good. All the people that bash Dak, I think he's a really good quarterback. I just don't think he's been awesome this year. Yeah, I just don't think he's at that upper echelon. And I think Tatum's kind of the same way, like really, really good. But I don't think he's like in the, you know, he's not in the Luca, he's not in the Giannis, he's not in the sga, he's not in the Yokich category. I think that's kind of where Dak is Dax, like a top five to 10 quarterback, but I don't think he'll ever be in that top, top tier.
- [69:08]
Ryan Rosillo
Donovan Mitchell's seventh all time points per game in the playoffs. Dak doesn't have a number like that, but it also feels a little bit like man, these guys are awesome, man, they put up a ton of stats. But Mitchell hasn't had any kind of sniff of any of the playoff success. Dak takes way more than Donovan Mitchell does, but that has probably as much to do with him being on the Cowboys is literally anything.
- [69:35]
Seruti
That's why the Tatum pre title thing worked. Cause like they both took a lot of shit, but now doesn't really.
- [69:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Doesn't really work. Kyle's chiming in. He wants to know who Jacoby Brissette is.
- [69:48]
Seruti
You mean like the, the record setter for most completions in a game? Who's like a. Is it. Wow, that's disrespectful. Scott sky that. Wow.
- [69:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah.
- [69:58]
Seruti
Who's like a random outlier stack guy? That's probably it. Didn't.
- [70:02]
Ryan Rosillo
Who double check who's the most obscure.
- [70:04]
Seruti
Guy to score 50 at a game?
- [70:09]
Ryan Rosillo
Scott's college had 30 assists in a game in 1990.
- [70:12]
Seruti
What's up?
- [70:13]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [70:18]
Seruti
Didn't. I'm trying to think there's one guy I'm thinking of who scored 50 and, like, it was just not. It was, like, recently, too, and it was completely out of nowhere. I don't know.
- [70:27]
Ryan Rosillo
It'll come to me. Not Cat. Okay.
- [70:31]
Seruti
I kind of like Jacoby Brissette.
- [70:32]
Ryan Rosillo
Not.
- [70:32]
Seruti
Not terrible. So do the Cardinals, apparently.
- [70:34]
Ryan Rosillo
I got one for you I'm not sure about again. How about Paulo Jaden Daniels?
- [70:39]
Seruti
I had Paulo.
- [70:40]
Ryan Rosillo
What do you got?
- [70:41]
Seruti
C.J. stroud.
- [70:44]
Ryan Rosillo
Awesome, but not supported, I think. Yeah, but Orlando. Orlando's way better than Houston.
- [70:50]
Seruti
Okay. I think my. My logic is, and maybe Magic fans won't like this. I'm sorry. I still am a believer in Paulo, but I think first year, second CJ and Paula, you're like, whoa, this guy could be like the next thing. And since then, it hasn't been as awesome. And I think there's a lot of question marks around. Like, I think CJ, I think CJ's good. I just think there's a lot of. There's a lot of around him, and I don't really know how to explain it. Offensive coordinator was kind of weird. The offensive line's terrible. I think Paulo, like, he. You know, it's. Oh, is he efficient? This. Isn't that. Like that for that second season when he led the entire Magic team in a seven game series against the Cavs in, like, what? Points, rebounds, assists. Like, as a second year guy, that's unbelievable. But I think, like, from the high of what their first year was to where they are now, I think people, the general public is a little bit disappointed in both of them, even though I think they're still both really good.
- [71:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, last one for the active guys. Right now, this might be my favorite one. Jalen hurts Draymond Green. Let it sink in, like, does little.
- [71:55]
Seruti
Things, winning moments, but you're like, on his own. What is he. What is he really?
- [71:59]
Ryan Rosillo
I think it's, hey, we probably could have won this. Like, thanks for everything, but we probably could have won Draymond. Probably. I don't know. Prime Draymond, his playmaking, the defense. I mean, the guy's still running around there chasing Wemby and battling the entire time. So if. If you had to ask me, like, who meant more to their team? Draymond, where I think there's like 15 quarterbacks that could start for the Eagles that have won a Super bowl last year.
- [72:30]
Seruti
But there's something. I think you're right on that. There's something uniquely specific that works with, like, Jalen and the Tush Push. And the way they run the ball and that whole thing just kind of works, right? It's like, yes. Like, if he was on the.
- [72:42]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [72:42]
Seruti
You know, pick another team, like, it wouldn't work because they wouldn't run the offense that they do. And the same way that Draymond, like, playing center, like, not a lot of teams back in the day would have made that work or done that. And, like, uniquely, they both fit their teams perfectly. And it's really hard to judge that guy in the greater, like, league, you know, circumstance.
- [73:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Death lineup. Everybody's freaking out. Everybody starts going small, trying to pretend they can do the exact same thing. And it's like, well, you can't. You can't. So Maybe it's not 15 quarterbacks. Maybe it's 14.
- [73:14]
Seruti
I got a few more I'll throw at you quickly. Sam Darnold, Josh Giddey.
- [73:23]
Ryan Rosillo
I feel like you just picked two young white guys.
- [73:27]
Seruti
Well, one's Australian. I mean, it's not like, you know, whatever.
- [73:29]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, no, no.
- [73:30]
Seruti
I just think, like, hey, like, tell me. Both were highly thought of in the draft process. Didn't really work out for various reasons along the way. And then they've kind of found their home and are now really, really good.
- [73:43]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. I was trying to think of a Darnold one, but I was attacking it differently, being, like, who is the media darling that is not playing? Cause the media darling's Herbert, but he plays. So for Darnold, it's like, everybody was like, man, if you could just get a couple starts with the Niners and, like, look out if. You know. And everybody just was holding out hope. And then he has that Vikings year. He's bounced around more. So obviously Giddy's only changed teams once, but it's been so good. At the new stop, there's a real moment of, like, is this real?
- [74:16]
Seruti
I. I think it's real. I. I think both of them are real. I just. I just think your ceiling is, like, not as high as maybe you would like it to be, but they're. They're both good players now. When it was like, what is this guy's even in? You know, I think. I mean, I think we all knew, like, Giddy was more of, like, a circumstance thing, whereas Darn was like, is he the seeing Ghost thing?
- [74:31]
Ryan Rosillo
I thought his career was over.
- [74:32]
Seruti
And it's just, you know, I'm happy for both guys. And, you know, there you go. This one you're not going to.
- [74:37]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Caleb.
- [74:41]
Seruti
I had Lamelo.
- [74:43]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, that hurts. Only because that hurts so Much.
- [74:49]
Seruti
I think they're both spectacular at certain things and they are like, league pass, you know, whatever the NFL red zone, darlings. Like, when Caleb's running around, it's unbelievable. But can they do the simple things, right? Can they just do the little things that win games? And, you know, I know the bears are 7 and 3, but I kind of feel like we all think that's smoke and mirrors. I think both guys are incredibly talented. I'm just not sure what it means and how, like, what the winning ceiling is on that.
- [75:13]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, it really dawned on me the last few weeks with Caleb, like, really locking into it where, you know, everybody knows how much I like him coming out of the draft. I don't need to revisit this. Maybe it's a YouTube audience, maybe you're watching somewhere in South Korea. But I liked him. And then it's like, okay, a bad year, and then it's a new system and we'll see what happens. And then I finally figured it out, you know, after four or five weeks of watching, it was like, he does not take the simple drop and let it rip on the re. There's no way these guys are that covered that many times. Like, you can't. I don't think you can play the way he's playing this year, despite them winning and having these big time moments. And I know Orlowski called him a problem solver on tv, but I really feel like that's playing the results of just, hey, they keep winning. They keep winning. So we have to figure out a way to be positive about him. He was not good at all in that Minnesota game, which was just yesterday, the taping of this. But he needs to figure some stuff out where Lamelo, like, Lamelo gets benched by Charles Lee. So he did last year. He was hurt a bunch of games this year. We'll see what happens. Well, maybe they're just being. Being delicate with him. That one stings.
- [76:28]
Seruti
I. I know. I didn't want to do that to you, but.
- [76:29]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, that's all right, though. It's about the content, not feelings.
- [76:32]
Seruti
One more funny one. Jackson Dart, B.J. edgecomb. Just electric to watch rookies better than you expected. Maybe. I don't know.
- [76:42]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, all right, I like that one. But the Giants. No, I don't know. It's like the Giants knew that, you know, and Philly has this disastrous year where they thought they were going to be competing for a championship. At least that's what they were selling right before the season broke in 24. And then it's like, no, you're actually going to end up with like a top five pick and they get Edgecomb and it's just, you know, it's ridiculous. But the 26 draft could be really ridiculous for some of the guys that get assigned to some of these teams that have other teams picks. All right, let's review then. What do we have from last year? Give me last year we went over.
- [77:16]
Seruti
A couple of them. You had Caleb as scoot.
- [77:22]
Ryan Rosillo
That's probably because I liked both of them so much.
- [77:24]
Seruti
But it was a rough start.
- [77:26]
Ryan Rosillo
Held out hope.
- [77:27]
Seruti
Yeah, this one was unbelievable. Anthony, Richard Richardson. Early Giannis was your. Was your.
- [77:35]
Ryan Rosillo
Okay, remember early Giannis? Early Giannis. I mean, it sounds horrible now, but early honest wasn't necessarily good at basketball. He just had these physically gifted moments. We're like, oh my God. And then he develops into, you know, at one point the best player in the world. Richardson. Somebody had the clip going the other day. That bomb that he hits to the end zone from like 60 yards out and he's actually being hit. So he's like moved off of his spot. It's almost all arm. I do think he completed nine passes in that game. Yep.
- [78:09]
Seruti
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [78:10]
Ryan Rosillo
So he sucked in the game, but he has this absurd highlight. And that's what I always remember about early, early Giannis is that everybody freak out about the highlights. But if you've watched the game and now he should have been lost. I mean, he hadn't played much high level basketball at all. He was just a completely gifted guy who then grew like 4 inches and added, I don't know, 60 pounds of muscle. So yeah, early Giannis. Do not confuse early Giannis with current Giannis or the last six years of Giannis.
- [78:38]
Seruti
A couple more funny ones. Speaking of Cole's quarterbacks, you had Daniel Jones as Jordan Poole.
- [78:46]
Ryan Rosillo
Just.
- [78:46]
Seruti
I guess. I don't think so. Well, no, it does have kind of. Yeah, there's kind of been a reclamation project for both guys, I think.
- [78:55]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, a little bit.
- [78:56]
Seruti
You know, you had this. See, this is why I think my, my Stroud Paulo one makes sense because last year you had Shroud as ant. That's high praise.
- [79:06]
Ryan Rosillo
I think Stroud Paulo's great, but again, Houston's defense is terrific. But whatever's happening to them on offense, just kind of the entire team not being in it. Orlando should not be as bad as they've been to start the season. There's. There's no way this is a below.500 team. They should have 46 wins at least so when you look at their best five out there at the same time, you're just like, there's no way this team is bad. Houston does not have that version in the NFL. Despite the great defensive numbers they have.
- [79:32]
Seruti
So far, this might be the one that changed the most. And I couldn't, I couldn't think of a good Trevor Lawrence one this year. But you had Cade last year, which I think kind of made sense. But those guys have gone in polar opposite directions. Like.
- [79:44]
Ryan Rosillo
Polar opposite.
- [79:46]
Seruti
Yeah.
- [79:47]
Ryan Rosillo
But always held out hope. It was probably about holding out hope after. Okay. But then Cade has that year that he had last year, what he's done at the start of this year, like, I like love Cade and this was a give up on Trevor Lawrence season where I just went. I, I don't know. I think I watch. Yeah, they were great on Sunday, but I just, he's just not as good as we wanted him to be. And I don't know why that's going to change now. You know, unless. Although the new thing, something that just didn't happen in the league for like 20 plus years, because I've talked about it, because I would go look at like the first round quarterbacks and then who, who ended up going to a new team and then actually winning a playoff game. Not Stafford because he was traded, but somebody who was basically cut. And it's like, okay, on to the next team. And now we've had it happen a bunch where these guys on these next stops that are former first rounders, like, it's, it's, it's different than what the history was prior to it. Basketball, there's not, there's not like some guy that can't make a shot, score seven a game and then all of a sudden is like scoring 27 a game. It just doesn't really happen.
- [80:51]
Seruti
That's why it's hard to find guys like, like I was trying to find somebody for Bo Nixon, know, like, like a guy who just wins in basketball, but we don't think is that good. That doesn't really ever happen. That's, that's harsh on Bonex. I actually like Bonex more than you do, but. Yeah, and then the, actually I forgot this one, the best one from last year.
- [81:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [81:10]
Seruti
Josh Allen is Caitlin Clark.
- [81:17]
Ryan Rosillo
I forgot about that one for, for various reasons. Yeah, actually, that one's still perfect. Yeah, that one's still. That one still checks out. All right, that'll do it for Serti And I, our 17th annual NFL quarterbacks as NBA players. Feel free to use it with your friends. Please subscribe to the YouTube page. Comment below. Leave us some comments. Shout it out. You know, sound off in the comments.
- [81:45]
Seruti
Sound. Yeah, listen.
- [81:46]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, yeah, sound off in the comments. Tell us what we got wrong. We're open to it. The alliance marches on. We've got some basketball plays for you from our good friends at DraftKings. All right, so Rudy, run it down for us because we had a. We had a shot at the king of the court. We were trying to go 30 to start the year, but that was asking a lot.
- [82:08]
Seruti
It was. You had your first one, Kyle had the second one. We went over three. Well, obviously we lost because the only one winner, Luca, did win last night. We didn't. Luka was kind of like the obvious choice and none of us kind of took bait on that. You had Jalen, I. Kyle had Cade, and I took Devin Booker. I don't think any of them really. Kade hadn't have a bad night, but didn't come really close. So there are times when Luke is going to win, Yoko is going to win, the favorite's going to win. We like to go a little off the radar. So not a win there, but I feel like our strategy is still sound.
- [82:36]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I mean, the thing is, one of the three of us have to take the obvious one. I like Jalen, that Nets matchup because that Nets team's just a disaster. He did go off, but you still need like the eight boards, eight assists to really have a chance to win this whole thing. All right, so the alliance three picks tonight. NBA, we do whatever we want. So what do we got?
- [82:54]
Seruti
Good news is we did hit the alliance last week, kind of with an asterisk. Magic covered Kalk Brenner six rebounds. Apollo out in the first second quarter. I believe DraftKings refunded that bet. So technically it was only two of the three legs, but it did count. So we did hit the alliance last week. This week I'll start off. I'm going to take Norman Powell. I love Norm Powell. We had him on the pod in the past. He's been on fire. This month I think he's averaging like 26, 27 points. His over is 22 and a half against the warriors on a back to back at home. Norm Powell over 22 and a half points.
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Ryan Rosillo
Okay.
- [83:27]
Kyle
Seems doable. This is going to be my last cockburner one for a while, but just watching that new Creighton without him, it's been a struggle. But this one, the odds change on this. I'm still sticking with it. It was much better before, but Ryan cockburn. Ryan Cockbrenner, two cock blocks or more is minus 200. The odds just lowered, but I'm sticking with it. This will probably be my last Brenner play.
- [83:50]
Seruti
I feel like if he keeps hitting 25, keep hitting best with him. You got to keep riding it, though. You got to ride cock, Brenner. You got to ride the cock until it's done. Until it's done.
- [83:57]
Ryan Rosillo
All right, that was too far. All right. How about my Raptors? 9 and 5 after a 1 and 4 start. So they were 1 and 4, 9 and 5. Just said that. Looking for a little revenge against Philadelphia. The only game that they've lost during this stretch where they lost by 10 at their place, top 10 offense, I believe they're ninth. And offense, I think they're 12th. And defense, 12th and defense. And the other thing I was looking at with the Sixers was that absurd start. A lot of it had to do with the three point differential on what they were shooting, what their opponents were shooting. I think it was nine. It's already dropped significantly. It's only plus 2.9% on that one. So I think there's been a bit of a correction there on some of this early season stuff, some of his schedule stuff. But look, that team started four zero and they're four and five in their last nine. So I will take. I'll lay the one and a half here with the Raptors. So you all know that we're big fans of Cracker Barrel. And this holiday season, I will be sat at their table with a big plate of country fried turkey. And Brandon, I'll be right there with you. And I'll check it off my Christmas list in the country store while I'm at it. It'll make a nice holiday tradition. Oh, that's so cute of you. Enjoy. All the more holiday traditions only at Cracker Barrel.
- [85:22]
Seruti
You want details? Fine.
- [85:24]
Ryan Rosillo
I drive a Ferrari 355 Cabriolet. What's up?
- [85:29]
Seruti
I have a ridiculous house in the South Fork.
- [85:32]
Joey McGuire
I have every toy you can possibly.
- [85:33]
Seruti
Imagine, and best of all, kids, I am liquid.
- [85:38]
Kyle
So now you know what's possible.
- [85:40]
Ryan Rosillo
Let me tell you what's required. Life advice. Lifeadvice.rrmail.com we have Kyle and Steve. Hello, boys. What's up?
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Kyle
What's up? This. I saw you doing this earlier with your open and I was like, I'm not changing out of my black T shirt. Not doing it. We're just going to be both wearing black tees today.
- [86:01]
Ryan Rosillo
Love that.
- [86:02]
Seruti
Damn.
- [86:02]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, wait, no, I didn't want to do that. That's.
- [86:04]
Seruti
Yeah.
- [86:05]
Ryan Rosillo
What do you mean? What?
- [86:06]
Kyle
I don't think we're supposed to do that.
- [86:09]
Ryan Rosillo
You don't think we're supposed to do what? Put up the fist?
- [86:11]
Kyle
Yeah. No.
- [86:12]
Ryan Rosillo
Why?
- [86:13]
Kyle
I guess there's different things the fist could mean.
- [86:14]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know. You know what it is? It's Bill Murray from Rushmore. That's what it's always been. I don't care what people do it now.
- [86:20]
Kyle
Okay.
- [86:22]
Ryan Rosillo
Bill Murray at the end of Rushmore, at the end of the play, because he had been in the. When he gets up and he holds up his fist, but he doesn't go too high with it. He kind of keeps it, like just below eye level. Okay. Unbelievable. Like me and my buddies that love Russia. That's different. It's high.
- [86:44]
Seruti
Oh, okay.
- [86:45]
Kyle
We were talking black T shirts, so it's just an unfortunate context, you know? Anyway, let's go ahead.
- [86:51]
Ryan Rosillo
What did you. Wait a minute. Jesse Owens. Are you sure you're right about that? Are you thinking about.
- [86:55]
Seruti
Yeah.
- [86:56]
Ryan Rosillo
Different Olympics. I'm not sure I think I'm right.
- [87:01]
Seruti
I don't know. We're treading in waters that we probably don't belong in, so, you know. Well, I.
- [87:08]
Ryan Rosillo
Here's the thing. I'm a big intent guy. Yep. Yep. My intent.
- [87:13]
Kyle
Everyone deserves grace.
- [87:15]
Ryan Rosillo
Always Rushmore. Bill Murray.
- [87:18]
Seruti
Yes. What are we doing right now?
- [87:20]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't even know. I don't even know. Yeah.
- [87:23]
Seruti
Good shirts, though. Like this. Didn't get the memo. Bummer.
- [87:26]
Ryan Rosillo
I don't know about you. Yeah, you and a black teagle chain. God, Kyle, if you could sell that to Ceruti, who knows? All right, we got an update on the three hair girl. Remember the three Just long hairs. That's a.
- [87:39]
Kyle
That's a nice way of describing her.
- [87:41]
Seruti
Yep.
- [87:42]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, I figured, you know, that way everybody would immediately know what was going on. This is the guy that had to deal with several hairs. Two to three hairs or on each side of his. Yeah. New girlfriend went with Shruti's advice and opted to not say anything. They are now gone. All caps. I repeat, the several hairs are gone. Not sure if it was a test or maybe she happened to notice finally for herself and remove them. A win for the good guys, you might say. Thanks, Saruti.
- [88:12]
Kyle
Now you got to wonder if someone else told her. What does that mean?
- [88:14]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm just kidding.
- [88:15]
Kyle
Just joking. This was exactly the right way life advice.
- [88:17]
Seruti
Just planting seeds. This is just.
- [88:20]
Kyle
This is the way life Advice is supposed to work.
- [88:23]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah.
- [88:24]
Kyle
Back away from the ledge. It might all work out. And guess what?
- [88:26]
Seruti
We've all been through. I mean, dudes go. You ever, you know, I forget if we talked about this the first time, but you ever, like, you know, you get that one. Like, you're like, how do I. How do I have a 2 inch hair on my neck? Like, where. How did I not see this? And they just happened like out of nowhere. You pluck it out. It's like nobody told me this. And you know, maybe this, that's this situation, she just didn't know. It was kind of like one of those one off things because they don't really grow back that way. They're just kind of random. So show her some grace. As Kyle said earlier about. About the fist situation.
- [88:52]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, all right. Yeah, perfect. Okay, let's see here. Hey, lads. New listener here. Happy to have you at barstool. Thank you. Happy to be here. 6 foot, 165, player comp. Steve Nash. In my college days, more white chocolate roll. Adult league. Nowadays, that's pretty good. Both of them are good. My roommate won't stop talking about his ex and it's ruining our relationship. Wait, how old is this guy again? I've lived with my friend for about three years now. Sadly, the relationship has gradually shifted to a point where I dread being around him. First year was great. We're all going out, enjoying our 20s, living the we're adults but not really lifestyle. It's a great lifestyle. Then he started having girl problems. Here's the problem now, here's the pattern. He meets a girl, falls completely in love. We rarely see him. He refuses to commit to save girl. She breaks up with him. He tries to get her back and becomes insufferable metallics. And when I say insufferable, I mean he'll hear us in the living room, wander out, plop down next to us, and start dramatically sighing until someone inevitably asks, what's wrong? Oh man, that's crazy. That's suck.
- [90:06]
Seruti
That's not usually what dudes do.
- [90:08]
Kyle
And it's a cycle.
- [90:09]
Seruti
Press it.
- [90:09]
Kyle
It's a cycle. So he, like, knows what point he's currently at and how. He's got probably a long road ahead of him.
- [90:15]
Ryan Rosillo
Do you know how much you suck as a guy to be like, well, maybe it's time I go into the living room, sit down, sigh dramatically so people pay attention to me and they can learn how bummed out I am. So whatever vibe is in the room, I will destroy. Yep, let me Get a shirt. A black shirt. Nice. Okay. My God, that's so funny. There's an hour long, then it's an hour long therapy session about how to get her back. Or half baked plans to hang out with certain people of hopes of running into her. Where we'd always challenge him with then what? We've given decent advice, but he never listens. He calls everyone else he has involved until they tell him what he wants to hear, which validates the scheme. The cycle's repeated a few times now and the most recent girl took him back. He made her his entire personality. We never saw him. Then she dumped him again. And now we're back to the nightly sighing sessions and him sharing the advice he's received from chat GPT.
- [91:13]
Seruti
That's what you want. Jesus. It's bleak.
- [91:20]
Ryan Rosillo
Neither of us can take it anymore. Every hangout turns into a therapy session. Every conversation goes back to himself about the ex. Do we sit him down and tell him we're literally. That we literally cannot keep doing this? Calling him out for the only. For only trying to interact or act interested in our friendship when he is trying to talk about his problems? Or is it just part of the unspoken roommate friend contract that you absorb their heartbreak until they move on? No, dude, the contract has expired. This sucks.
- [91:50]
Kyle
Well, he knows what he's doing with the size. So I'm wondering if you could do a little like in the same sort of ilk back to him. It's like he size turn it up, turn up the TV2 notches. You know what I mean? He's already looking for your reaction. So like it's just like that's the, that's, that's the reaction to the size. The TV goes up two notches. You could also try your sit down like hey man, it's got to end. You know from here on out the reactions will be different. We're basically going to ignore this. You know, it's also the sign of like this is why dudes start not having roommates. Maybe you're a one roommate guy and then eventually you'll graduate to having no roommates. But yeah, the. The time for grace is over. It sounds like this is a cycle. You mentioned you know exactly how it goes. Probably know exactly where you are in this go round and just break the wheel, man. You're not a bad friend. If he's got any other problems, you know, that's fine.
- [92:42]
Seruti
But yeah, it's your conscience. Like you've obviously tried to help. You've been there for him and it just it's just too much at this point. I, I kind of just think you're direct with him and just, you know, I like Kyle's point of like kind of the passive aggressive. Just like, you know, pushing his volume. Pushing your volume higher. So suppress whatever your volume, but turn.
- [93:02]
Ryan Rosillo
The TV up as soon as he sighs.
- [93:03]
Seruti
Yeah, exactly.
- [93:04]
Kyle
And every time it goes up another notch because he's already looking for your reaction.
- [93:09]
Seruti
Pretty funny.
- [93:10]
Kyle
You know, he's doing it to get something out of you. So there you go to show him that there's no more. The store's closed.
- [93:14]
Seruti
It's harsh.
- [93:15]
Kyle
The emotion store is closed.
- [93:17]
Seruti
But I don't know, I feel like it's just like a group intervention, like the way to go and just saying, hey, dude, like, we all like you. We like hanging out with you and you know, but like this version of you sucks and, you know, we don't want to see you like this. So like, what could we do? How could we help? And then you do it one time and then if it doesn't work, then like you start being the passive aggressive. But like, I think you kind of have to have the one big real intervention, heart to heart, like be real with them, talk. Be like, hey man, we're still young. Like this. It sucks that it didn't work out for you. But like, you know, talk about, does he have other things going on for him? Could you join a pickup hoops league? Can you like, meet other people? Can you try to go out with him a little bit more? Like maybe, you know, you're on the front foot of trying to like, do things that are fun for him so he can meet other people. Because right now he's probably just in that scene of like, you know, he's in his room, self pity, thinking about it, doing nothing else, he's got no other hobbies. And then he just comes downstairs to have some sort of like, you know, personal, you know, interaction with somebody. And it's. And it's just negative. So I think you have to, if you like this guy enough, take the initiative to make some parts of his life fun. And then if it continues to be like shitty, then like you've done all you can. You just have kind have to cultivate.
- [94:15]
Kyle
What about this?
- [94:16]
Seruti
Probably break it off.
- [94:17]
Kyle
You could convince him that the mission to get her back is going to be two full years. So you just get a. And it's like he's got to, he's.
- [94:23]
Joey McGuire
Got to do something for two years.
- [94:24]
Seruti
You're dangling the carrot.
- [94:25]
Kyle
It's. Yeah, it's like you have to be.
- [94:27]
Seruti
Able, like, and hopefully you move out by then.
- [94:29]
Kyle
Yeah, right. Climb this mountain, like train for this race or something. Maybe there's something. You got to convince him that there's something he's got to do that's going to take, that's going to give you a two year break while he's just laser focused. If this really is that important to him. That's not real advice. I just thought about it, figured it.
- [94:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Was kind of fun. You got to tell him he sucks and don't feel bad about it because he sucks. You've tried, you've been there. Nothing's gotten through to him. So the direct approach, I had it happen to me once. I didn't like hearing it, but it fixed the problem pretty quickly. Yeah. And it's a roommate. It's not having a really close friend or a couple friends. Go, hey, dude, this thing, what's going on with you? No one likes you right now we're out.
- [95:08]
Kyle
Dude, we could not be more out.
- [95:10]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, and you could sit there as well. What about when you did this? Or what about when you do that? When it's accurate. I mean, it's one thing to get, but when it's like deserved. If you have any, any sense of like, there's, it's not even self awareness. Like narcissists would just not even understand. They just be like, why wait? There's something you feel a way about something. I do.
- [95:38]
Kyle
Why are you on my back, dude?
- [95:39]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, what he's talking about. But yeah, it's, it's just time. You'd be doing him a favor by being super direct about him. Now I do think that this dynamic can sometimes though, like, it's heavily influenced by who's cool and who isn't. Right. Because if he's the coolest guy out of the group outside of this, by default he can't. Right?
- [96:03]
Seruti
Yeah. Okay.
- [96:04]
Ryan Rosillo
But like when he's at his best. Right, okay. Because trust me, like, we understand that dynamic. If the guy is cooler and he's doing something wrong, the guy who's less cool, who's psyched that he's friends with the cool guy, is going to tell the cool guy everything he wants to hear all the time. Because he does not want to jeopardize the friendship. He didn't care how much this sucks. You know, it's like you would just be, you can't be the less cool guy in the group telling the number one seed of cool that he's a dick. I mean, Maybe you can, but I.
- [96:35]
Kyle
Feel like I take that role all the time. I just did that last weekend.
- [96:38]
Ryan Rosillo
Had a big problem. Yeah, you're probably the coolest of the group.
- [96:41]
Kyle
Definitely not.
- [96:42]
Ryan Rosillo
I'm definitely not.
- [96:43]
Seruti
Here's the thing, though. I. I don't think I've seen your group.
- [96:45]
Ryan Rosillo
You're up there.
- [96:45]
Seruti
I would agree.
- [96:46]
Kyle
That was the LA group.
- [96:47]
Ryan Rosillo
Come on.
- [96:48]
Seruti
The LA group is taking some shots on the spot. They don't listen anyways, so it's fine.
- [96:53]
Ryan Rosillo
The Salt Lake Experience was. Or the Denver slash Salt Lake.
- [97:00]
Seruti
Wait, which one where the guy fell down the stairs?
- [97:02]
Kyle
That was Salt Lake. That was immediately at Salt Lake.
- [97:04]
Ryan Rosillo
Tough.
- [97:05]
Seruti
That was a tough start.
- [97:05]
Kyle
That was night one.
- [97:07]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah. Denver's when they took over the section that was set aside for my 20 Denver buddies. And my friends rolled in going, I thought we had this whole section. Who are these guys? And I was like, I don't know what's going on. And then luckily he was like, hey. I would go, my friends don't want to hang out with these guys. Like, I don't know what's going on. And they were like, we don't know what's going on either. They just sort of took over that entire VIP thing that was roped off. I was like, well, technically they are VIPs. They're here with Kyle. And they were like, we have another section for your group. And as soon as the show was over and I went over my group, my group couldn't stop. It was great to see everybody. They were there. It was a really good live show. But they were like, what was up with that other crew?
- [97:49]
Seruti
What?
- [97:50]
Ryan Rosillo
What? Who are those guys? Are you there with you? Those are your friends in la? That's. Those are the guys you hang out with in LA since you moved. And I'm like, it's a long story. Anyway, real quick. Sorry to the guys. Sorry to the guys. We didn't understand you at the time. Yeah, now you're awesome.
- [98:07]
Seruti
I'm just going to say, to your point, Ryan, there's no way this guy's cool guy. If he is one of those dudes that disappears with a girlfriend, you know, that's not cool. That's not a cool guy move.
- [98:18]
Ryan Rosillo
Not impossible. But, you know, percentage wise, yes, I would agree with you. But there's also cool guys.
- [98:24]
Kyle
Maybe he's a unicorn.
- [98:25]
Ryan Rosillo
Do this. But yeah, I guess I'm just thinking of like, you know, number one, cool, Number two cool. Number three, cool. Number three cool is telling number one even during the size and all this stuff. Like, yeah, man, that sounds like a great idea. Yeah. You should join the gym, if that's where she's at, or whatever. And then you could, like, sign up for.
- [98:44]
Seruti
Definitely create a secondary Facebook account with your friend Crestor and. And just, you know, cyber stalker for a little bit, see what's going on.
- [98:49]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, no, no, that's real. That'll work. I'd volunteer and post it. I'll take the picture. So. Okay. But I don't think our emailer is that guy. I think our emailer is just a frustrated dude that cares about his friend a little bit, but it's time. And every day that you don't tell him that he sucks is actually hurting him. So. Yeah, I mean, a lot of this stuff can be pretty simple, like indirect. They just talk to him, talk it out the whole time. But, like, think about the emotional tax that you've paid.
- [99:20]
Seruti
You've.
- [99:21]
Ryan Rosillo
You've put your money, you put your time in here, and it's time to stop paying. Agreed. All right. All right.
- [99:33]
Seruti
Do we ever figure that out?
- [99:35]
Kyle
I forgot. I always. I kind of black out for the first two seconds of the email.
- [99:38]
Seruti
Because if you're in your early to mid-20s. Yeah. This like, dude. Yeah.
- [99:44]
Ryan Rosillo
Hey, we're 38. Imagine if he was like, I'm 38. My roommate's 37.
- [99:49]
Kyle
Cost living in New York's crazy.
- [99:52]
Ryan Rosillo
This doesn't happen a lot in your 30s, gang. Late 30s. Let's say late 30s. All right. This is a unique one. NBA comp. Roni Turioff, Mark Madsen. Undersized center can grab you a rebound, but mainly just a vibes. Guy was happy to be there. I hated Turioff in college, and then I learned to appreciate him. And then I. I just kind of was like, I can. I can like that on my team. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. My father in law was a starting pitcher in major league baseball in the 80s and is a rough hang to watch baseball games with. All right. Don't reveal his identity, Rob. I will not. Right. It's not Rob Dibble. He hates everything about the modern game from the pitch clock, the ghost runners, to home run and hit celebrations. Yeah, look, old school baseball guys really don't like the celebrations. I don't. I don't know when it became cool to just absolutely everybody. You strike out. I'm on record every time. The Louisville kid that comes up, I hate it. Like, everyone loves it. I'm like, why? Why do you love this?
- [101:06]
Seruti
Do you think it's because, like, bat flips kind of Got out of control for a while. So there was, like, a natural shift back to the pitcher thing. I actually think it's kind of fair.
- [101:13]
Kyle
I think it's also like, you know, he's got, like, how Whitney Houston can only hit that sort of level. There's a couple.
- [101:18]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, he's. He.
- [101:19]
Kyle
That's his note right there.
- [101:21]
Ryan Rosillo
Like, he's the.
- [101:22]
Kyle
He does it better than most people. I think that fuck you is. Is Chef's kiss. So I don't. I don't know if it was the whole, like, you know, you could say it's the narrative switching back from batters to pitchers. I think that guy has a specific skill. There's just the way his bottom lip, like, shot out of there for the fuck you. It was. I think that was unique. I think that has something to do with it.
- [101:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Sounds like somebody liked it. Loved it. Home runs are more rare. You know, striking somebody out with no one on in the second inning, acting like. Just clinch the pennant. Yeah, sure. That guy for the Yankees. Although they did win the series. All right, so he hates everything. Increase in the size of the bases. No good. Cameras on the bases. Even worse. Come on, dude. Cameras on the bases. Like, he just. During the past postseason, we were watching games. He threw an absolute fit about a player's ability to wear whatever color cleats and gloves they choose. And aside, I think the neon mouthpieces look so stupid in college football. I was watching Ohio State. I think it was the Minnesota game. It was the night game. They're coming out of the tunnel, that incredible Ohio State uniform, and then a guy has, like, two neon pink mouthpieces hanging. I don't understand the two mouthpieces, but I just don't think those mouthpieces look good with the classic college football uniforms. But that's not the point here. What else doesn't he like? He doesn't like the cleats. He said, just stick to black and white and be done with it. Even calls out balls and strikes. He'll disagree with them. That were clearly called correctly based on us being able to see the strike zone square live in every pitch on television. I'm not saying all his takes are bad, but they're all negative. And he essentially thinks nothing about baseball was worthy or modernizing since his time in the game, which was 40 years ago, before I was even born. What's that shocker.
- [103:11]
Kyle
Anybody who talks about it, I mean, basketball, football at all, it's all. It's all worse now. It's just what everyone says.
- [103:17]
Ryan Rosillo
Yeah, I Mean, should ask this guy if he's subscribed to the Gilbert Arenas podcast or something. You know, NBA basketball players, the only athletes to not evolve in human history. Since he literally played in the majors of my career, finished in fifth grade when as a catcher, a ball hit me in the throat and I was taken to the er unceremoniously. That's a tough one. How do I approach him? With counter arguments or thoughts? He and I are comfortable around each other. I'm no longer in the phase of trying to impress him or I'm worried about how I come across, but given he literally played in the major. So I'm a bit of a loss. At a loss how. How to approach this conversation with him. Am I allowed to vocally disagree? I think his takes are insane, but maybe they aren't for context. I'm a huge baseball fan who travels every season for games, both regular season and playoffs. Baseball is my favorite sport. I'm passionate about watching games, being a fan. Thank you, guys. You guys rock. Wow, that was super nice.
- [104:14]
Kyle
I think Ryan's gonna have the best answer here, so I. I'd rather hear.
- [104:18]
Seruti
My question would just be really quickly. Are you just looking to, like, stir up you. Do you want to pick a fight with this guy?
- [104:25]
Kyle
It sounds like it, but he loves baseball this much that it bothers him hearing this stuff spouted off next to him on the couch. Like, somebody like me would probably be able to turn that off, turn that part of my brain off. I think he's so engaged in baseball. He sounds like a. A top 5% baseball fan, which, you know, it just sounds like he can't abide this. And he's like, he needs to find some sort of way. I don't think he's trying to change his mind. I think he just wants to, like, counter. Offer the counterpoint.
- [104:51]
Seruti
Like this.
- [104:52]
Kyle
This cannot stand. This is a long game. And so I don't know. I don't know what. What I would do, but. Well, I. I know I would do.
- [104:59]
Ryan Rosillo
Nothing, but I understand why this guy. It is a tough one, you know, it is a tough one. Like when I have on NFL players or something, you know, a sport that I'm less comfortable talking about. Although I think I'm fine in comparison to other NFL players.
- [105:12]
Kyle
I think you're fine too.
- [105:14]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, it's stupid. I mean, I remember I had to have a meeting once where it was like, you need your NFL to raise your NBA. And I was like, no, I don't. I was like, the NFL is the Easiest sport to talk about. And everybody's kind of saying the same thing. And it's also a sport that most of us don't really know what to find the. We're talking about. We don't know who was assigned what help. We don't know what the read was. We don't know what the protections are. And then people.
- [105:33]
Kyle
A lot of nickel talk this month though. Certainly a lot of nickel talk.
- [105:36]
Ryan Rosillo
13 personnel.
- [105:37]
Seruti
13 personnel. Yeah.
- [105:38]
Ryan Rosillo
13 buzzwords.
- [105:41]
Seruti
Wide nine.
- [105:41]
Ryan Rosillo
Oh, yeah, yeah, a lot of buzzwords. Throw out a couple too deep, couple quarters.
- [105:47]
Seruti
Looks can't throw deep anymore, man.
- [105:49]
Ryan Rosillo
You know, and you can just say it too, by the way, because then somebody else who played, I mean when Kurt Warner and like another quarterback were playing or arguing over what the route was, like that was like two years ago. I was like, I give up. I'm not going to sit here and pretend I know what the route tree was. No, that's an option route. No, no, but that off that safety look, it's over here. It's like two guys that played the position forever. I forget who. Kurt Warner, he was arguing with somebody in the media, but there was another time he was arguing with another quarterback. And I'm not even criticizing it anybody for. I think football is way more complicated than just, hey, this guy's good or this guy's bad, but whatever.
- [106:26]
Seruti
Maybe your guy's right though. Maybe your, your, your, your father in law is right. Like is now like there's too much going on. Like it was, was. Were sports just more fun when we were dumber, when we didn't, when we didn't have, you know, all these different options for cleats and things. And it was just like, hey, we watch baseball because we like baseball now there's all these million different things. I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud, like sports are kind of complicated now.
- [106:50]
Ryan Rosillo
Well, the discussion around it, because we have access to so much information, you can basically dismantle any point, even if it's the right point if you want to, with information that makes you feel better about maybe a player that your team drafted or a player that you hate or whatever. But you know, this, this influx of so many former media members, like doing media at the time, like the thought was, oh, this is going to be direct to consumer. It's not going to be filtered through other voices. It's not going to be the opinions of like guys like me. It's like, hey, you never played and you have this massive platform. People listen to you like why is your opinion any good? And there's times where I'm like, yeah, I, you know, and then I hear some of the ex players, like, I did a YouTube thing on this a while ago where I was like, you know what? No problem. Like, I've seen what some of you guys say. You guys say dumber than we do. And it's usually just baked in a casserole of bias based on how much you like or dislike an active player or a former player or a former generation or current generation. So, you know, welcome to the party, gang. Specific to this email though.
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Seruti
It'S.
- [107:51]
Ryan Rosillo
He's just a super negative guy. The camera's on the basis, who gives a shit? You know, like there's, there's a line. And I'll even say it like sometimes with my dad, he's older now, and we were talking all the time during that Celtics run because, you know, I want to always be able to call my dad and say, hey, you know, what do you think of this? And it just, it's generally super negative. And he's like, I'll listen. No, he's not a big, he's not like, oh, McHale would kill all these guys guy. That's, that's not what he does. But like if the Celtics would have a bad week, he'd be like, this team isn't good. And granted, like they ended up winning an NBA championship. And so then it was the start of last year and there were things that he didn't like. And by the way, like the Celtics of those two years prior to the Tatum injury, they are a pretty fascinating team where it felt like they had this incredible offensive flaw for how predictable they were and just how much they would settle and super three point Reliant. And it's like all of that stuff is true. And they also have an NBA championship in their back pockets. So like, what's the right answer? Like, it's, it's just hard to say. So he would be negative and I, I'd go, you know, they just won a championship though, even if I agreed with some of the negativity about it. So then I, one time I just kind of challenged him on that. I was like, do you watch this only to get pissed off at it. And the reason I bring that up is that that's what it feels like you're dealing with, with here, your father in law. And so at some point you have to just accept that's where it's always going to go. Like, you can't. I know what you're doing. Speaking of the emailer, you are having an internal conversation of like picking and choosing when you think you should go back at him because you want to correct him. And he might be incredibly wrong about all this stuff. And it is grading. It's exhausting to listen to somebody be that negative about it over and over again. Again, specific for this guy because he just wants to believe that his generation is far better than all these guys today, even though literally Everybody throws like 97 now. And so it makes it even harder to hit on top of everything else. Now, if you want to start talking two, two strike approach, I'd be with your father in law. I can't understand a guy who can't hit home runs. Not choking up, trying to go the other way, just making contact and somehow swinging for the fences and striking out, hitting.212 and being like, nope, that's what we want our guys doing now. I don't understand that either, but I think as you get older and it's, it's also kind of funny and I, I promise I'll finish here soon because this feels like it's now a million different things, but especially on social media where if somebody says something, just let them be wrong. Like, who puts you in charge of correcting everybody? And there's just a lot of correctors out there. And, you know, sometimes you feel like you got to do it if it's something that you're really informed on. Sometimes it's just, you know, decent conversation pretty rarely. But there's just a lot of people that aspire to be correctors. And I would tell you it's exhausting if you want to keep doing it because nobody's gonna go, hey, good point. Thanks for correcting me. You know what?
- [110:45]
Kyle
I think I saw one of those in the wild, but I think it.
- [110:49]
Ryan Rosillo
Was on Facebook, Twitter. I might start doing it. So all the listeners are in on it. I might just like only a couple days a week when somebody just comes at me for something, be like, you know, great point. Hadn't really thought about your perspective. I've changed my mind.
- [111:00]
Kyle
Yeah, yeah, I look forward to that.
- [111:02]
Seruti
I thought about this a lot. Like back in the day, like, your uncle could just be an idiot on Thanksgiving. And it just like kind of, it doesn't really go anywhere. And now your uncle gets blasted to like, you know, however many people he's friends with on Facebook. And it's like, wait, the world was just a smaller place and now, you know, you know, everything is kind of under, under a microscope which is kind of weird. How about this, though? What if you just start giving them. What if you gave him like, an 86 bets DVD for Christmas? Coming up, holidays. And just, like, subtle, funny gifts of, like, stuff that he likes from the 80s, like the 80s, baseball highlight tapes. And I don't know, it could be kind of funny, you know?
- [111:35]
Kyle
Could be funny. It's not going to help you when you're watching baseball.
- [111:38]
Ryan Rosillo
But.
- [111:38]
Seruti
Yes, no, but you could dick with them and then, like, you can mess around with them and you can push back with him, but then, like, get him kind of this nice gift for Christmas and then it's like the balance is kind of there. Like, he knows you're having fun with him still.
- [111:46]
Ryan Rosillo
Then he calls you in the room, like, check out this Wally Backman bat. Like, this is when baseball was baseball. Or you can just keep turning up the volume during the game. Ooh, that's a nice. Okay, that'll do it for us today. Thanks to Steven Kyle, as always, for joining the show. Check out our YouTube page. We had the NBA stars, NFL quarterback comps also on the YouTube page, which you heard on the podcast today as well. And thanks to Joey McGuire and Texas Tech. All right, again, subscribe to the Ryan Roso show on Apple and Spotify, and we'll talk to you again tomorrow.