"If New York Falls, The Country Falls" | Sage Steele Show | EP 79

Summary

Podcast Summary: "If New York Falls, The Country Falls"

The Sage Steele Show, Episode 79 — October 29, 2025
Host: Sage Steele
Guest: Arynne Wexler (“Non Lib Take”)

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Episode Overview

In this engaging and wide-ranging conversation, Sage Steele sits down with Arynne Wexler—known online as Non Libtake—to discuss her rise as a conservative commentator, the cultural and political transformation of America (with a special focus on New York City and the upcoming mayoral race), the dynamics within the conservative movement post-2024, Jewish political identity, personal authenticity in the social media age, and the importance of courage, faith, and humor in shaping public life. The episode’s title references Wexler’s warning: if New York City succumbs to far-left leadership, it signals deep trouble for the nation and Western civilization as a whole.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Arynne’s Origin Story as “Non Libtake”

[08:24–15:05]

• Wexler began posting politically on TikTok under a pseudonym while working in tech, aiming to keep her professional life and political activism separate.
• She describes herself as a “common sense patriot” more than conservative or Republican.
• Her first viral video appeared within three weeks, leading to significant attention, podcast invitations, and opportunities to appear in “real life” political spaces.
• With increasing censorship and fact-checking on platforms, she ultimately left her tech job to commit to political content full-time, transitioning from Non Libtake to using her real name to emphasize authenticity.
• Quote:

  "I wanted to mainstream that you could be urban, you could be a city conservative... You don't have to be on a homestead churning your own butter… Not everyone is supposed to look or sound the same." (B, 13:31)

2. Why So Many Jews Are Liberal—and Why Few Practice

[76:32–79:33]

• Steele asks why so many Jews lean left and so few are practicing; Wexler explains the difference between Jewish faith/culture vs. Christian, and why many secular Jews still identify as Jews.
• “Orthodox Jews overwhelmingly are right-wing… but unfortunately, most people are secular. In the Torah, God promises to make us numerous as the stars; I don’t take that literally, but as always being visible, represented.”
• Wexler ties the lack of religious engagement in Jewish American life to political alignment with left-leaning causes, yet observes a paradox: Jews as “the dumbest smart people on earth” (B, 76:32).

3. White Liberal Women & Cultural Shifts

[03:36–05:53]

• Both guests discuss the resulting cultural confusion when white liberal women assume the power to dictate sensibilities and social norms for all—often to the detriment of genuine diversity or inclusion.
• Wexler is especially critical:

  “Do I think liberal white women are more damaging than, like, Islamic terrorists? Probably, because they want the Islamic terrorists coming in to our countries and excusing them.” (B, 05:13)

• They joke about the rise of identity politics, body image issues, social media virtue signaling, and generational divides.

4. What’s Happening In/To New York? If Mamdani Wins — Stakes for America

[31:12–40:31]

• Wexler and Steele paint New York City as a bellwether:

  “If New York falls, America falls and the West falls.” (B, 32:36)

• They consider the risks if Zoran Mamdani, a left-wing candidate, becomes mayor:

  “Mamdani’s like the kid running for student body president who promises vending machines and no homework; people want that to be true, so they vote for you. Of course, you never actually make it happen.” (B, 41:18)

• Wexler thinks spiritual decay, luxury beliefs, and inertia among NYC’s upper class (who fail to mount a serious campaign against Mamdani) are as much to blame as radical politics.
• The pair discuss broader anxieties—crime, economic decline, and the influence of foreign (especially billionaire) money.

5. Personal Courage & Authenticity—Surviving Cancel Culture

[22:40–26:30]

• Wexler recounts standing out as a vocal conservative in NYC’s elite schools since youth, and the “mental calluses” she built working in high-pressure professions like trading.
• She argues the best defense against cancellation is total transparency: “the way to never be canceled is to just be open with who you are.” (B, 23:41)
• Memorable moment: Wexler’s stories of solo hiking in national parks, and the role of faith in weathering social isolation, public attacks, and online censorship.

6. The New Conservative Fracture: MAGA, Victimhood, Personality Wars

[37:20–66:02]

• Despite Trump’s return bringing some stability, Wexler and Steele paint a conservative movement fractured by personality cults (post-Charlie Kirk, Trump era), opportunism, and a growing victim mentality reminiscent of the far left.
• Wexler criticizes Megyn Kelly and other legacy voices for refusing to forcefully denounce misinformation, antisemitism, or conspiracy theories pushed by figures like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson.

• “There's a lot of moral cowardice now in our movement under the guise of political bravery.” (B, 49:47)

• Calls for “spiritually healthy” leadership and caution against purity spirals and opportunism:

  “We’re becoming ideological purists, which is very spiritually leftist.” (B, 64:30)

7. Comedy and Levity as Weapons in Culture War

[80:27–83:45]

• Wexler recently began standup comedy as a way to circumvent censorship and connect with broader audiences via humor.
• She argues that laughter can facilitate agreement—sometimes unconsciously.

• “Comedy is the last bastion of free speech... The jesters could say what others couldn’t.” (B, 81:00)

8. Body Image, Social Media Authenticity, and Influencer Culture

[84:05–97:41]

• The two discuss pressures on women regarding beauty standards, plastic surgery, and authenticity—especially for the next generation growing up in the age of Instagram/TikTok and reality TV.
• Wexler champions “being yourself” out of practicality (“laziness” and hating makeup), but sees social media blowing up both artificial perfection and self-loathing.

• “Everyone’s thinking the same, looking the same... Do men actually think this looks good?" (B, 87:53)

9. Faith, Family, Identity & Dating

[97:42–106:59]

• Wexler, who is single and seeking a Jewish partner, discusses her strictness about faith-based compatibility and upbringing, as well as her thoughts on intermarriage and political difference in relationships.

• “If you have both religions, you have neither religion... The best gift a parent can give a kid is faith.” (B, 105:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On White Liberal Women:

  "White liberal women have gotten very good at telling all of us how we should and should not believe and think.” (A, 03:36)

• On Social Media Censorship:

  “The fact-checks I was getting, the slaps on the wrist from Meta—it was very severe… You had to be really careful.” (B, 11:16)

• On Surviving NYC as a Young Conservative Woman:

  “I never cared about being in the majority… I’ve always believed in God, and I only care about judgment from him.” (B, 26:24)

• On Why New York Matters:

  “New York City is an economic powerhouse. If New York falls, America falls, and the West falls.” (B, 32:36)

• On Conservative Fractures:

  “There's a lot of moral cowardice now in our movement under the guise of political bravery.” (B, 49:47)

• On Post-Trump/MAGA Movement:

  “We’re becoming ideological purists, which is very spiritually leftist—and that’s where a lot of this is coming from.” (B, 64:30)

• On Comedy and Truth-Telling:

  “Comedy is the last bastion of free speech.” (B, 81:00)

• On Political Strategy:

  “Feelings don't care about the facts. People feel how they want to feel and then find information to justify it.” (B, 71:48)

• On Being Herself:

  “I never did videos to have people think I’m pretty... I did it to say, ‘This is what I believe in.’” (B, 97:28)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00–04:00 | Introduction & first laughs: Setting tone, banter on social mores
• 08:24–15:05 | Arynne’s content creator origin story; shift from tech to politics
• 22:40–26:30 | Growing up conservative, forging early courage, cancel culture defense
• 31:12–40:31 | New York mayoral race: Stakes for the city, the nation, and the West
• 49:47–55:00 | Critique of conservative movement, callout of Megyn Kelly’s silence
• 64:19–70:00 | What comes after Trump/Kirk? Problems of ‘one-man show’ leadership
• 80:27–83:45 | Comedy as a tool for truth and persuasion
• 84:05–97:41 | Real talk on authenticity, body image, influencer honesty for women
• 97:42–106:59 | Jewish dating, faith in the home, intermarriage, religious identity

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Tone and Style

The conversation is candid, humorous, at times acerbic, and deeply personal—balancing grave political concerns with uplifting encouragement and zesty wit. Wexler’s humor (“Do I think liberal white women are more dangerous than Islamic terrorists? Probably…”) and unapologetic honesty keep the tone both refreshing and sharp. Steele’s genial, earnest questioning draws out Wexler’s personal stories and big-picture critiques, making for an episode that’s both enlightening and accessible.

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Takeaways

• Authenticity, courage, and humor are essential to resisting both leftist orthodoxy and right-wing purity spirals.
• The fate of New York City is symbolically and materially consequential for the future of America.
• The conservative movement is at a crossroads, needing honest leaders who can unite without sacrificing integrity or succumbing to personality cults.
• Identity—religious, political, and personal—must be rooted in real conviction, not just external labels.
• Women (and everyone) benefit from letting go of artificial standards imposed by social media culture.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[A]

I got to know her as Non Libtake. That was her handle on TikTok, where she blew up on Instagram. But she actually has a name. It's Erin Wexler. Check the spelling. A, R, Y, N, N, E. She's now a conservative commentator, activist, and content creator extraordinaire. We sat here and talked about so many things as a Jewish girl. Why so many Jews are liberal, why so many Jews don't actually practice their faith. What is wrong with the conservative Party? Not Republican in her eyes, Conservative Party. What needs to happen for the next administration if we want to keep this thing going? Also pretty critical of many leaders in the conservative party right now. Also, she's 32 years old. What about all this body image issues? And then in the middle of a conversation about what happens to New York City if Zoran Mamdame is elected, the doors blow open. I mean, craziness ensued with Erin Wexler, AKA Non Libtake, and her dog Theo, who was actually the star of the show, Aaron Wexler. Enjoy it with me here on the Sage Deal. Show. Show.

[B]

It's the Stage two show. Is this, like, part of the show?

[A]

Yeah, probably.

[B]

Amazing. It's rolling. Yeah, we like. It's like Joe Rogan or. Sorry, not Dana White. I'm kidding. I'm sorry. I hate you, too.

[A]

Why do you guys think that's funny? Why did you. Is that on purpose? Was that planned?

[B]

Yeah, I didn't know I. That. That wasn't planned at all.

[A]

You're a liar.

[B]

I can't believe I made the joke, but I don't. I feel so bad.

[A]

She's a liar.

[B]

No, I was gonna say it's like Joe Rogan, where you enter the podcast, and he's like. They're in the middle of the conversation that obviously started in the gre and I was saying that here, and I'm like, well, I could, because I can't help myself. Okay, let me give you an example of a joke I made that will make you realize.

[A]

Let me just preface this with something my kids remind me of. Jokes are supposed to be funny. Okay, that wasn't. But go ahead. I'm kidding.

[B]

No, I'm not bringing up.

[A]

Because I'm a jackass. It's fine.

[B]

Bringing up the trauma.

[A]

Listen, that's what it is.

[B]

It happens to the best of us. It really does. But I promise you, I actually did not intend to say that just to give you a sense of my joke. I have very close friends who live in Israel who are Ethiopian Jews, and they were part of the missions that airlifted Jews out of Ethiopia back in the early 90s. Operation Solomon, or I think they were Operation Moses. And the very first time we met, years ago, we were at this youth village that I help out with. It's like, for orphans and kids from broken homes in Israel. And most of them are Ethiopian or Russian.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah. And they actually. They work there. And we're at the cafeteria for these kids. It's like a camp, you know, like a camp cafeteria. And it was a holiday. And they said, don't eat anything here. We're gonna take you back to our house in the village after and give you Ethiopian food. And I said, oh, my God, that's so funny. I didn't know you had food in Ethiopia. And it's an old Billy Crystal joke.

[A]

Amazing.

[B]

From When Harry Met Sally.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And when I said it, I immediately. Like, my mouth moves faster than my brain sometimes. And I said that. And I was like. In my mind, I'm like, oh, my God, Why did I just. I'd met them 20 minutes before. I was like, why did I. Why did I say that? What they do, it's like a movie. Like, it's like. It's like the all noise stops. Everything pauses. And they look at me and they both break out laughing like they think it's so funny. And every time, we're very close. I just saw them in August when I was in Israel.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they told me that, like, they've been telling all their Ethiopian friends, and they all think it's so funny.

[A]

It's amazing.

[B]

You know, who doesn't think it's funny? Like, white liberal women, 100%.

[A]

I was gonna. I mean, that's an easy one.

[B]

Ethiopians think it's so funny, so. Yes.

[A]

Oh, exactly. Well, white liberal women have gotten very good at telling all of us how we should and should not believe and think, okay, I forgot a dog was there, and I saw something move here. And I'm like, oh, my God, there's a bird in the room.

[B]

Is he not the pervert? Because he's silent.

[A]

He's so good. Unlike white liberal women. Actually, when do you think that turned? When white liberal women started to go crazy and think that they represented all of us, including those of us who are not white.

[B]

That's a good question. I'm not sure. I feel like sometime after the heroin cheek era of the early 2000s, when white women were on top and we were talking about this before, when I first got here in the restroom, that back then, growing up When I was growing up, thin lips were cool, thin eyebrows were cool. Like, the flat ass was cool. Right. Like, that look was cool. And it wasn't meant for people that looked like me or looked like you. And that was early 2000s. Right. So I feel like something shifted after that where they decided they had to champion maybe the culture shift. Right. I don't know.

[A]

I hadn't thought about it either. It was genuine question. It's like, when did this turn and feel like they had to tell us, literally tell us how to feel? And the DMs I get and the messages and the comments, it's like, how can you think that way? You should this, you should that. And I don't even bother responding anymore because that's. I mean, they're nuts if they think that, you know, by typing that out that it's gonna change my mind, by the way. Right. But there's. They've done such damage, like, true damage to society, don't you think?

[B]

Oh, yeah. I mean, do I think liberal white women are more damaging than, like, Islamic terrorists? Probably because they want the Islamic terrorists coming in to our countries and excusing them. So I actually. It's like the same way that I think the people who use the pronouns, who don't actually believe in it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think they're worse and more mentally ill than the trans people because I think a lot of people who are trans fit whatever, you know, I think it's a mental illness. I think you have a chemical imbalance. I feel badly. Right. I, like, I think David has something, but. But it's the people who don't have that imbalance, who don't have that mental illness, who indulge it. I think that's even worse.

[A]

They don't have the strength. They don't have the strength to say, wait a minute, this isn't right. And you're not gonna force me to put he she in my bio.

[B]

Yeah. And, you know, Rob Henderson has the idea of luxury beliefs. Like, people in poor countries don't have these problems. Right. Because they don't have the luxury to have these problems. And it's just like we're at a state, as a country where life is candyland here and people don't know what to do with that.

[A]

Well, and that's one of those things, too. Like, until they get out and realize that what they're being fed is true propaganda, they're lies, then how will they know? Because everything set up on social media is really, really good at teaching only one thing. One Side, which is what our responsibility is, which is why you're here, which is why you're a superstar. And actually, I don't think we met in person until when I say here, meaning in the space, like doing what you're doing for a living and trying to save America. What and beyond. Was it at Dave Rubin's house?

[B]

I was wondering if it was Dave's. We must have met once, because I remember seeing you over inauguration when I was getting an IV drip in our mutual friend's apartment, and I remember in Ryan's apartment, and I was sitting there with an IV in my V. I.

[A]

Walk in, I'm like, what is happening in this place? We're coming. It's here on America TRUMP 1. And people are sitting around with, like, needles in the rings.

[B]

I thought it was so fun. I thought it was great. And you know that New York magazine cover that came out, the Cruel Kids Table?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I don't know if you'd remember, but the quotes were heavily from me in that. In that article.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they.

[B]

They set the scene by saying, in this penthouse apartment in Arlington, Aaron Wexler sits with an IV drip. They made it seem like I was hungover. I wasn't drinking over inauguration. I was just exhausted. We were all exhausted. Worried about getting germs from the tens of thousands of people that we were at these galas with. So that was fun that our friend.

[A]

I met you. I think it was the summer. It was last fall, so maybe like a year ago. So before inauguration at Dave's house.

[B]

I think you're right.

[A]

It was Dave's house and Dave Rubin. Guys, be friends with Dave Rubin. He has the best parties.

[B]

He's the best parties.

[A]

He is the best parties.

[B]

With the most tequila.

[A]

Yeah, that too. I have a bottle of his upstairs. I haven't opened it yet. I'm like, I'm not worthy quite yet. But he brings together so many unique people with unique perspectives, and that's what he did that night. And of course, I'd seen you online, but then you were still non lib take. Yes, I was not Aaron Wexler as your handle. What happened?

[B]

What happened? I guess to take a step back from why I changed it. I started posting about two years ago on TikTok, and I thought, let's just dip my. I'll dip my toe in. Let's see. And at the time, I thought, let's make it not tied to my name, even though it's obviously my face. But when you Google me, it's not. Obvious that it's me because I was working in tech. I was head of business development at a very good tech company. So it wasn't, you know, you have to be really careful when, with everything that you do when you're at a private company. And I was never private about my beliefs. Everyone at the company knew how I felt. I was known my entire life. Even as a 10 year old girl in New York. I was a lifelong conservative and a very vocal conservative. But when it came to this, I thought like, oh, it's just like expensive experiment. Tick tock's the place for that. So I came up with a handle and I thought, I don't think conservative defines me exactly because I'm very right wing. We can't say Republican anymore because of the rhinos. Like MAGA took away the ability to say Republican, which is correct in some ways. But because of that I couldn't say Republican. I didn't want to say right wing. And I just generally think of myself as common sense patriotism that tends to fall heavily on the right. And so I thought, I'm non lib. And also, let's capture people who, if they see conservative, they're gonna run away.

[A]

Yeah, they will. They do.

[B]

Yeah. So I thought non lib take. I came up with it at the dog park, actually with a friend in the dog park and just threw the handle. It was like a. Let's see, let's see where this goes. Like in two years, if no one cared, I'll just take the account down. And then the first video did well. And like in a land of like numbers where it's all numbers out of China. So like, who knows? But like comparatively it was doing well with all the other numbers on TikTok. And then within three weeks I had my first viral video and everyone in the world knew I was doing this.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the next month I had. It was that fast. Three weeks in three weeks in July 2023, end of July, had the video go viral. If you remember, date right stuff at the time was going mega viral. And John McEntee and he, I get it. You know, I got a message from Buck Sexton saying, just saw your videos, would love to have you on the pod. Actually, his wonderful wife Carrie, she used to be a producer at Fox.

[A]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[B]

She saw the video, sent it to him and said, I think this girl lives right near us in Miami and you should have her on your show because she had seen my viral video in New York City talking about being back in New York and then John saw it. So I was on date. Right.

[A]

Stuff.

[B]

And we did like a fake date. That was fun. Yeah. And. And I actually. I don't know what's happened to that account or to him. I feel like.

[A]

I know I saw him recently. I saw him recently but it isn't quite as frequent. I know. And before that. And he was on my show like last summer before that, I mean, was working with Trump and then that. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

All kinds of interesting people are in and out of the space and people.

[A]

Do other ventures so fast.

[B]

Yeah, no, it's. It was immediate years. Yeah, it was pretty immediate. The next month, you know. And so anyways, I started with non looptake and then I left my job in tech the very beginning of January 2024 because it had gotten big enough on TikTok. But at the time, it's so easy to forget this just a year ago, the fact checks that I was getting on social media, the slaps on the wrist from meta, it was very severe. You had to be really careful. I remember I used to say schmaxine because I didn't want to say vaccine. So I was afraid of tripping the algo.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And on TikTok because I went viral and I got to 35K, which is a modest number, but I got there in a couple months and then I got put in TikTok prison so many times that they just totally shadow banned the account. Like I couldn't edit my profile for a while, couldn't do like there. It was very clear. I was put in a little shadowy corner and I had proof of concept and I thought about it like tech as if it were a company where I thought I clearly have buyers, I have users of my product. Now it's time to do the go to market. Now it's time to expand it and to really focus on it because at the time, at a very full time job in tech and I was doing the videos and starting to write op eds and doing a million things, I'd wake up at 5am every morning, write an article, do my day job at night, go to the gym and then try to do a video. I was very busy. And I also. The main reason though is that I'm an ideologue and if. And it's so. It feels like it was destiny now looking back, but December 2023, January 2024, it was not clear if Trump would win. It was not clear what was going to happen. I was afraid of where the country was going. I got laser eye Surgery because I was blind before. I had, like, negative five to five prescription, and I didn't want to have to wear contacts if we were in a civil war in this country. I was like, what am I going to do? Run around with boxes of contacts like, in the middle of a civil war? Like, I was really.

[A]

That's, like, legitimately. That's why you did it legit?

[B]

Well, I also just thought it'd be better to not have to wear contacts because it's very tiring on the eyes, and I have very long days and they'd be very dry at the end of the day.

[A]

That's amazing.

[B]

But I did think, like, I need to be able to be on. I mean, maybe it's the Jewish trauma, but gotta be ready for anything. So I thought, let's do laser eye surgery. I did Lasik, but I thought I'd rather fold T shirts at Target if I do this and never get a real job in tech again. But at least I know that I was saying what I believed, and I was showing people that it's okay to say these things. I wanted to mainstream that you could be urban, you could be a city conservative. You could be in a city going to fancy restaurants and doing, you know, not. You don't have to be on a homestead churning your own butter to be like us. You don't have to be the Nashville culture to be a part of us. And I don't care about what people look like or what their gender is. Like, most of the podcasts I listen to are guys, but that does matter to a lot of people. And I think for a lot of women, seeing someone like me, that felt more relatable to them. Like, I don't. I'm not Christian. I don't really talk about religion on my page. Sometimes I talk about God, but that's not the focus of my page either. So I just became a place for, again, common sense, patriotism. And I thought, I'm such an ideologue, I cannot sit by just typing away on my computer in tech when all of this is happening. I really was concerned that civilization was about to fall off a cliff if Trump didn't. And I think we all felt that way. And now that things have stabilized, it's so, like, think of a year ago today. The fear, the real fear.

[A]

Because what is this, early October? So we were a month out, a month away from the election, and things are trending. You're like, okay, fine. But I was scared until the even being there in Palm beach, and, you know, the Results came in. Yeah, the results came in, and it was like. I still almost didn't believe it. People are celebrating. I'm like, are you sure?

[B]

After that, I thought, let's get him to inauguration. Yeah, for sure. Get him to an inauguration.

[A]

How many times did I say that? I'm like, this is actually the most dangerous time because now they realize they've lost control and they will do anything, because they already had in July, on July 13th in Butler. And now we know that that continues. I'm glad that you said that, though, because I also had this fear and had these crazy thoughts of, okay, I'm gonna sound like the Rosie o' Donnells of the world, right? Like, where am I gonna go live? Like, if he didn't win and she won, what do we do? Because to me, it was truly going to be the end of America as we know it and the true freedoms we had already. Like you mentioned Meta. I mean, that was already to a ridiculous level. It was gonna go all out, borders completely open. As if they, you know, weren't already open enough. Like, to me, it was. We were that close to disaster.

[B]

Think about how different things are less than a year later. Yeah. And a lot of people needed the social permissions of this vote and this change to get rid of the pronouns, get rid of all these requirements for Mark Zuckerberg to finally not fact check you on things that were factually correct and to admit.

[A]

To admit how much they basically interfered with elections with all of this and changing the algorithms. I remember people were celebrating his vulnerability and his honesty. I remember being on the treadmill here at my condo, and I'm like, screw you all. No. Because he's being forced to admit it now that he's got the Trump administration in control, knowing what the fallout will be if he does not. And Elon Musk pressuring him as well. Remember when they were gonna have that boxing match? So I'm glad things are being done the right way, but I think it's dangerous if we forget how close we were.

[B]

The pendulum always swings back, and for one second, I'll just take us back to. Basically, at some point, I realized I was the brand and I wanted to be my name, and I didn't want to be anonymous anymore, and people wanted to know me, and I just made this. It was never about it being non liptake. It was always my face. It was always me. But I eventually changed my. I was. And it just took a while because with Meta getting them to change my handle took so many months. I luckily have friends who now know people that can help. And they, like, talk to you in riddles. So they.

[A]

What does that mean?

[B]

They just send you all kinds of questions. I was trying to get my name because someone stole my name at some point. So there was an Aaron Wexler impersonator.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

And I was trying to prove that it was me. And I said, there's literally no one else in the world with my name spelled that way.

[A]

You can't.

[B]

No, there's just, like, there's no chance. It's not like a common name where you could argue that it's someone else. I'm like, I am me. Like, there's no one else with this spelling. And they would send me questions. Like, I sent them every email I possibly could have owned, that it could be associated with old college emails. I don't have access to my parents emails. Like, it made no sense. And they would just write back, no, wrong. And then one day, and I just started writing to them. I think I sent them Flyover States by Jason Aldean in a link. Just being like. Just so you know, I'm playing the song, staring out the window, crying. I was like, what will it take for you to believe that I am me? Like, you have my driver's license, you have my name. Like, the person's using my videos for my. And they would just say, wrong email, wrong this, wrong that. And then one day I woke up and I just had the handle changed. I think they just wanted.

[A]

They gave up on you.

[B]

They were tired of your ears. Yeah. They just tried to break you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And they just wanted me to do the monkey dance for them. They just wanted to be like Dan. Like, they just wanted to see that I would do the dance. Didn't get any.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I didn't get any of their questions right. And then a few months later, they were like, here you go.

[A]

Fine, take it. Yeah. Is there for those of us newer to the social media space, like, it's one thing to have an account is another thing to understand it and to try to really, really grow it. Is there a change in anything since you went to Aaron Wexler versus Non Lovetake?

[B]

I don't think so. I think the change is. I think people feel even more connected to me. It feels more personal and also makes sense. For the first time in my life, the last few years, I've never heard my first name as often as being in this space. Because go on the news and they obviously say your full name, Aaron Wexler, and they refer to me as Aaron. That's obviously my name. But really close friends call me Wex or Wexler. And it's funny because now that I do have advertising partners and I'll put things in my story and say, code is wex, 20 for 20% off. And so many people are like, oh my God, I love Wex. Like, great code. A friend in the space. Like, that's a great code name. I'm like, it's not a code name. It's actually like my name. It's like actually me. And I got a lot of messages from followers when I did that change saying like that they loved Wex. And I showed a text from a friend that messaged me about some topic that I had on my story. So I shared the response to it. And in the text you see that my friend, he's calling me Wex. And so many messages came in of people saying, oh my God, I love Wex. And now I see people writing to me and it's just so funny. Cause I'm like, yeah, that's actually like, I just never even thought about that.

[A]

No, exactly. That's something little, but it is, it does matter. You know, I always from afar could, you can see your strength and feel it, but I don't, I've learned more recently. Like that's how you always been and that's amazing. Like it took me till like late 40s to find it. So I'm envious. Or wait, I heard envious is worse than jealousy. So I'm jealous. I'm jealous. Cause that's like an angry thing. I'm envious. No, like I'm jealous that I didn't learn. I was in a different phase of my life and a whole different career. Right. But just to learn to be fearless from such a young age. Like you said, you're in this big time tech job and people were very aware of your opinions. You didn't hold anything back. Where does that come from? I am so excited to introduce you to Good's Candies. Yes, I come with treats. It's a small Indiana based chocolate company with recipes that go back nearly a century. So it's a very small batch producer of very decadent confections ranging from toffee to cream centers to their latest offering, peanut butter bombs. You know, Forrest Gump may have said this best, but I'm gonna try. Life is like a box of chocolates. And I have one here. But Good's Candies wants you to to make sure you know what you're getting. Its Cream centers each have a very unique design. I'm going to open this in a second. So you're going to always know what's waiting inside. All varieties are offered in milk and dark. I take all of them. So for our business listeners, Goods Candies offers customized chocolate bar gift boxes. And these aren't customized wrappers like you get at the bank, trust me. These are customized chocolate bars that can include your logo, a special message, whatever you'd like. They are the perfect client. Gift and Goods Candies can handle all the shipping for you. Before I give you their website info, I'm gonna open this little box. Take a look at this. First of all, it feels like it's ten pounds. I meant it when I said decadent confections. And the smell is incredible. So the website www.goodscandies.com viewers can save 20% through the end of the year with the promo code Sage Spell my name S A G E. So place your order online or reach out to goodscandiesoodscandies.com again, www.goodscandies.com. enjoy. As I'm about to, I think it's.

[B]

The way God wired me. To me this is the easier path because I've always gotten that comment. When I was in high school, I was at this hoity toity prep school in New York City that I loved. I begged my parents to let me go there. And it's like a Gossip Girl kind of a high school. And they put me on a diversity panel for middle schoolers. They had a kid on financial aid. It was a very expensive school, A really tall kid, a religiously different kid, a Jane. It's like a, you know, offshoot of a, like, Hinduism kind of. And then a lesbian and then me as a Republican in New York. Right. And like, after I did that, people would come up, the girls would come up to me in the bathroom and whisper to me like, I'm a Republican, too. And I'd be like, why are we whispering in the bathroom? But I would go. I asked my parents to take me to learn how to go shooting when I was in high school. And everyone knew, like, I was very. I realized before Cancel culture that the way to never be canceled is to just be open with who you are.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because there's no gotcha. But it wasn't easy. And then I really forced myself to go out of my comfort zone. I worked on a trading floor right out of school. And that wasn't my personality. My personality is not like, I'm obviously a very type a kind of person. And so to be on a trading floor where you can't be a perfectionist and things, you're just flying by the seat of your pants all the time. And I was doing trading, not sales. Like, I had risk on my book. I was, you know, everyone on the team, the global team, including my competitor in London. We could see exactly to the penny how much I was making or losing every second of the day. And doing something like that was, you know, like, it hardens you. Right? It's like the calluses on your. On you mentally, that makes you stronger. And then I also started going to national parks, and I started going. I went with someone I was dating at the time, 2016, for the first time, fell in love with the parks in the US and then after we broke up, I thought, I still want to do this. Like, I love this, and I don't want other people to. I'm not going to wait for other people to realize this is a great thing. So I just started doing it on my own, and it was very scary. You're going to the middle of nowhere with no cell service by yourself to go hiking. All kinds of things can go wrong. And it was really scary when I started, and I pushed through it and did it anyways. And now it's one of my favorite things. I've done 47 national parks, and I've done at least over half of them solo.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. And your parents are okay with this? They had no choice.

[B]

They don't have a choice. But this is all to say it sounds like I'm comfortable with those things, but I wasn't always. And I did it anyways.

[A]

Yeah. From a very young age. I have 56 questions already, just about the last two minutes that you've talked about. But going back to that diversity panel, as a middle schooler, were you nervous?

[B]

No, I thought it was great. And I thought. I just. I've never. I've never cared about being in the majority. And I actually think this is what the right gets wrong sometimes. This idea that we're the silent majority. I don't think you have to be the majority to be right. I think oftentimes the right side of history is not in the majority. And I've just. It doesn't mean it's not hard socially, especially when I was in high school, middle school, like, there were things that were very tough. Even today, we're dealing with a lot of changes in the movement, and there are things that are deeply unpopular to say, but I truly have always had faith I've always believed in God, and I only care about judgment from him. So it doesn't mean things don't hurt, that I don't get pangs in my heart when there's something socially difficult. But at the end of the day, I can only do what I think is right.

[A]

You've gotten really good at being uncomfortable, which to me, is one of the keys to success in the sports world, as we always talked about. I think Nick Saban said, at Alabama, the key to greatness, the key to any success, is to get comfortable being uncomfortable.

[B]

Speaking of that, I don't know how to adjust myself, but I need to move my leg.

[A]

Whatever you need to do, there's no proper way. I know. Last time when I did it, this is better.

[B]

This is more my style.

[A]

Well, when this is done, and if I haven't moved, watch me fall over as I try to stand up. I promise, Theo, I won't fall asleep. Perfection. Wharton School of Business. At Penn. At UPenn.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Insane. So you go again? To me, I had trouble getting into a state school, okay. And then it took me five years, and they're like, please, just take your degree and leave. Like, we don't need your type here anymore. Just go again. I feel like you've set the bar so high for yourself. Was that the goal? Was Ivy League your goal?

[B]

Oh, Ivy League was the assumption.

[A]

The assumption now by you, by mom and dad.

[B]

Yeah, by me.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I grew up. Both of my parents went to Ivy League schools. But, you know, in the Jewish community, education is key. My mom grew up middle class. My dad grew up lower class. Welfare paid for his braces. You know, like, very different circumstances. And. But, you know, even when Jews were poor peasants in shtetls of Eastern Europe, education has always mattered. So I grew up with that just being a very strong value in the home. And I was in a suburb of New York City where everyone went to good schools and got good jobs. That was the expectation, the total expectation. And I loved learning. I still love learning. So, yeah, I was like. And then, like I mentioned, I. I was actually at a different school, and I went to my parents, and I said, the teachers aren't pushing me enough here. And I was the one. Yeah. And I was the one that asked to go to this other prep school. And then I was in a program in college that was a dual degree program, so it was about 50 of us every year. It's very international. And I did Wharton undergrad, but I also did UPenn, the Arts and Sciences undergrad. So I have a BA in International Studies and I have the undergrad MBA, which is like a BSc from Wharton. So I took a lot of classes. And part of International studies was I did study Arabic for four years. And so it's a little fun fact about me.

[A]

Whoa.

[B]

Yes. Which doesn't help me beat the Mossad allegations that everyone likes to laugh at me. I do know Hebrew and Arabic.

[A]

Speak. Yeah.

[B]

Something in Arabic. I'm going to tell you the first sentence they ever teach you.

[A]

Speak.

[B]

I'm so sorry. I keep coughing. I might.

[A]

You're good.

[B]

Sorry. First time, first of many.

[A]

It's okay. Like, I don't know that I've ever. Besides television.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Sat next to someone who could speak Arabic.

[B]

Well, I can't speak it that well anymore because it's very easy to forget.

[A]

Oh, I bet.

[B]

If you don't use it all the time. And it's been. I haven't. No, I haven't used it in a long time. Although in New York City, I would like to chat with my taxi drivers, and I would ask them what they thought about Israel and depending on their answer, determine their tip.

[A]

Their tip. Exactly. If they're.

[B]

Yeah. I would really. No, I. It depends on the. Like, if they were haters. Haters. But no, the very first sentence they teach you in Arabic, which tells you a lot about a culture, because you think about what you learn in French. I also used to be fluent in Spanish. I also took Latin at this prep school. So you learn a lot. Like, in Latin, it was about, like, the slaves of Pompeii. And in Spanish, it's about, like, la tomatina in Spain. And in Arabic, it's omimutarjima fi al ummam amutahida wahiya mutahasa fi' alorat al arabiya wal al maniya wal anjaziya. Like, what that sentence is, is, my mother is a translator at the United nations, specializing in the languages of Arabic, English, German. Like, this is what they teach you, the United nations, by the way, the lead character of the book they have you learn as the standard book across the entire United States. Maha, the main character, ultimately marries her cousin Khalid, which is beautiful.

[A]

Yes, beautiful. It's perfect.

[B]

Yeah. At least he's not her, like, brother, you know what I mean? Like.

[A]

Yeah, true. And at least he ends up with.

[B]

A woman and not a goat. So you know what I mean? Like, so it's like, it was better than it could have been.

[A]

Oh, my goodness. Yeah. Okay, we need here in South Florida to Find you a place that you don't lose that forever.

[B]

No, we don't. No. I'm actually really okay.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

With losing it.

[A]

But I kind of like it because depending on where you are in the country and the world, especially in New York City right now, you can play dumb and understand every single thing.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Well, it'll help me a lot when Mom Donnie wins mayor of New York City, and there's just a caliphate established and your.

[A]

Your city is gone at that point.

[B]

Yes. Well, you know, that's something that I was. As you. I think, you know, I was in the Hamptons.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

About a month and a half ago with Charlie. And that was the first thing he brought up in that meeting was Mamdani in New York. And what I thought was so interesting about his focus on that topic was, you know, on the right. People love to dunk on blue cities and blue states. When also, if you think about this, all these states are really close. It's like 55, 45. Blue, red.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It's not like 80%. Like, you have a lot of good people there who are stuck for many different reasons.

[A]

In New York. In California, yes.

[B]

Also, it's not like these places are just random place. Like, New York is great. California is an amazing place. People act like you're like, yes. You might be a political prisoner in a way. In California, the taxes are brutal. There are all kinds of. Things are terrible. But California is one of the most beautiful places in the entire world. So to pretend that people are there with, like, bleak lives, with. No, they're there because there are reasons to stay. And with a place like New York City. And Charlie understood this the same way. He knew we shouldn't give up on college campuses. We can't give up on places that make America great.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And New York City is an economic powerhouse. It is the most important city in the world. I would argue it is the most important city of the United States and therefore the world. And so if New York falls, America falls and the west falls. And the question is, even if Mamdani gets into power because he is like an illiterate, lazy Nepo baby, it's possible he can't actually do all the damage that would really lead New York down at the totally dark path like we had de Blasio, we were able to claw back from that. So it's possible he doesn't actually do that much because he's never done anything. He doesn't know how to work. So that's in our favor.

[A]

But my fear Is that. I mean, he doesn't know, but enough people do who are gonna back him financially, cover for him.

[B]

Especially that foreign money.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Especially the billionaire money that's behind him. So that's concerning. But Charlie understood that, and New York is part of American history. Oh, my God.

[A]

I am. Should we tell people what happened? Yeah. I'm a tiny bit more on edge in general, which is why when the winds picked up here in Fort Lauderdale and apparently there's the lock on the bottom of this door does not. Lock does not work. And so everything went my heart, like, honestly. And I don't get scared. I'm not that person. But. And maybe it's. I was so focused on mom Danny and what he's doing to ruin New York City and potentially America. Like that made me go, someone is coming in and attacking. Maybe it's darker than that. Where. I got to tell you, after what happened to Charlie, I, that night had a FaceTime request with all three of my kids. They wanted to sit down with me and have a chat. And they said, we don't want you doing this anymore, Mom. We don't. It's not worth it. And I listened, obviously, because I understand that fear. And it is something that. Okay, we all need to be a little bit more aware maybe security wise. I mean, you take a risk when you go out there and say what you want to say, you know, so I'm gonna blame that reaction on that, but it scared the crap out of me. I feel like there are a lot of people scared. There are a lot of people scared into silence, maybe more so than before. A lot of people scared because of on the brink of a New York City again, like this fear. It's different from a year ago.

[B]

It's different, yes. In so many ways. I feel like as things have gotten stabler with Trump in office, so many things have unwound at the same time. And there's just a different kind of darkness now. And I have new fears in this country. And it's funny because, you know, usually on my Instagram, I try to be very. I say levity and beauty. It's supposed to be like light hearted, funny and make you think. Yeah, I appreciate that. But also it's make you laugh.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I think people remember a lot more when you laugh than when they're being like, yelled at. I'm actually working on. I have a video idea right now that I'll. By the time this is out, maybe the video will be out, but I don't know exactly how I'M gonna do it. But I just thought it's so funny how in the uk, when you fly in, they make just normal people. Like, if you're just stereo. If you're screening people by stereotyping, you're like, okay, this woman with her skin care doesn't have to put her skin care in this plastic Ziploc where one bottle doesn't fit. And so we're making her toss it out. But someone's name is Jihad, and he has three wives. And, you know, everything is from Syria. And they're like, we're going to let you in.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And so I bought a beard and, like, the green Hamas, like, band. And I'm figuring out I didn't do a bald cap. I thought about it, but I'm like, I need to do some kind of skit of, like, my name is Jihadi Jihad. I want. And I want to come into the uk. And they're like, perfect, we've been waiting for you. And then you have, like, a little white girl with her skincare routine barely fitting into the plastic bag. They're like, sorry, we're gonna have to throw out your. Everything that you throw out everything. You are a danger to society.

[A]

So true, though. It is so true. I mean, it's thrown right in front of her. Okay, sorry, I didn't even wrap that up. Thanks to Theo. Theo's leaf. The doors are now.

[B]

I can't shut. Do you have long arms?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, those arms.

[A]

Can you see it? I'll put it in. Okay. Okay. I feel so much better.

[B]

Yes, but we were saying. I was saying, usually I'm lighthearted about things, but there are changes within our movement, which I know you want us to talk about a little, but. And also just the things we're dealing with now, it's no longer. It's just a different kind of evil, because it's not the. You need the pronouns. And, you know, everyone's trans, which was last year. Now we have a new flavor. And I guess I really. I really thought that a lot of things were going to be fixed under Trump. And he's doing a lot.

[A]

So much good.

[B]

A lot, a lot. But there is a disconnect between what he's getting done in the White House and what's happening in our culture.

[A]

Okay, all right. Before we go to that, in your mind, what happens if Mom Donnie wins in New York City?

[B]

I think he will. I think he's very likely to win. I think we have a spiritual decay in this country that I thought would be fixed by you know, I knew when Trump. We saw, we saw each other on election night at like 4am we were like holding each other in an empty. In that empty room where Trump had just spoken. Exactly, exactly. And I knew that people hadn't voted for conservatism and people hadn't voted for right wing policies. They were voting against Wokeism, against Deep State, against just the oppression and the force to submit on the left. And they voted for Trump, for Trump. But Trump himself is like a common sense patriot. And in many ways, I'd argue is not like conservative. It's common sense patriotism. And we're really seeing that fracture now. And the fact that again, the tent was so wide, we're now seeing that, like that blessing is now also a burden in many ways. So with all that said, I think we're in a really tough spot where people just feel very disaffected and they just want change. So it's not that Mamdani is so far left and Muslim that they want him. It's the fact that, you know, living in New York City is expensive and things are hard and they haven't gotten better for people. And so. And Mamdani comes in and he's just the new thing. Yeah, but that's dangerous and people aren't being thoughtful. And I think I'm just really surprised also by how little effort there has been by the upper class of New York City to really have an effective campaign to save New York City. Right.

[A]

From him.

[B]

From him.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It has not. It's. And on the right, we're not great at mobilizing. Charlie was. Charlie was good at mobilizing. And we've lost that. We've lost many things in losing him.

[A]

I mean, I agree with you on surface level. Cause I don't even know the depths that it could go if he wins. And you say we lose New York City, we lose America. So you say you think he's going to win. So then what does that do? What is the domino effect with our country?

[B]

Listen, if I could predict that, I would.

[A]

And obviously I'm not trying to ask you to pull out a crystal ball, but our feelings, I mean, this is kind of, kind of like a year ago we were like, if we don't win, then this, you know, I mean.

[B]

There'S a good phrase that I'm going to butcher because I don't remember the exact quote, but it's something along the lines of, like, democracy is a process that, that gives people what they voted for, good and hard. So New York's gonna get it good and hard with Mom Donnie. And sometimes you need that. I think sometimes things need to get worse in order to get better. I think that could certainly be the.

[A]

Case in New York, but self inflicted there too. I mean, for all these years, for it to allow it to continue to go south. Go south.

[B]

But breaks my heart to the cultural point of what we started talking about, which is about like white liberal women. New York City is filled with champagne socialists. It's filled with, you know, androgynous bisexual gen zers that live off their parents credit cards. And these are the people that are voting for Mom Donnie. Like the working class doesn't work, does not vote for mom Donnie. But it is problematic because I remember when. And this is so benign. So imagine what Mom Donnie would do when I was in New York City, de Blasio would skip over the Upper east side when snow plowing after a blizzard. And the idea was, well, you people can pay for your own, you know, your own snowplows. And it's like they cover the majority of taxes in the city, but. And just like, you know, the really petty things like that and the digs that the people that actually help the city run. And I can imagine that in, I mean, clearly crime will get worse, homelessness will get worse. He thinks that the key to crime in New York city is cutting NYPD by what is like 1500 officers. And I saw a tweet. This is not my own idea. I saw a tweet months ago that said Mamdani's like the kid running for student body president in high school where they promise you free vending machines and no homework, and people just, they want that to be true and so they vote for you. And of course, you never actually make it happen. So the thing we can hope for is that he just really is ineffective.

[A]

The fact that you're looking at a Cuomo to come and save the race after his track record is just.

[B]

You mean I'm not perverted. I'm just Italian. Just Italian.

[A]

That's how we are. Yeah. I don't know that I fully understand what happened in the Hamptons. You referred to it earlier. And yeah. If you would take us on a deep dive of what happened in the fallout after.

[B]

Only because I don't want this to be the focus of what people take away from this episode. And also because something I shared on Twitter and one of the few statements I've made about this in general is a quote I shared with Charlie that he had actually never heard, which is Surprising, because he knows so much everything.

[A]

Knew.

[B]

Knew so much about so many things. So I felt honored. I was like, I get to be the one to tell you this. We were actually talking about the comment that was in his letter to Bibi where he was saying, like, Israel should have a press secretary like a Caroline Levitt to just answer questions every day, like, all the. All the lies. And I told him this quote, which is, the Jew hater doesn't ask the Jew to turn out their pockets because they really believe the Jews stole. They accused the Jew of theft just to watch him turn out his pockets to prove his innocence. So there are many things I could say, but I don't see a point. And also, you know, Winston Churchill had a quote. A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets its pants on. And that was before the Internet. So if people want to believe someone like Candace Owens or Ian Carroll, who thinks that Erica Kirk is behind Charlie's death, if people are that deranged, then they're going to believe what they want to believe. And people who know that's not true, you know, they already don't believe it. So people already have their set opinions. But what I will say is that Charlie organized the meeting. He called for it. He asked Bill if he would participate in it.

[A]

Bill Ackman?

[B]

Yeah. Bill did not call this meeting. Charlie did. For Turning Point. It was organized by Turning Point. And it's so funny. On Candace's show, she said that I sent out the invites, which makes me sound like the queen bee, like, social chair of the fake, secret Jewish cabal. I texted my family. I'm like, as an overachiever, can we just say, if there's gonna be a secret cabal, at least I'm in charge of it? You know, I did not send the invites out. It was a majority, not Jewish, majority Christian group, where I think their opinions on Israel were a wide range. The first topic we talked about was Mamdani, because the topic of the entire retreat was called Save the West. And to be honest, Charlie, the way he set up the event, it was a little unclear what he was trying to get out of it. I knew a little after it that he was looking to see how people would do. And I think Bill actually mentioned this in his tweet. So I'm not saying anything new here, but not that people listen. Again, people didn't even listen to Bill's tweet, which was entirely accurate. But he mentioned that Charlie wanted to multiply himself to go on campuses for this campus tour. And he wanted to see how people would handle, you know, debate and the responses they'd be able to have. So he was bringing up all kinds of topics. The majority of it was about. We talked about marriage and premarital sex and gender roles and all kinds of things. The time we talked about Israel, Bill Ackman wasn't even there. And Charlie brought it up and we, you know, there was a discussion there, but it was save the West. It was meant to be what's happening? How do we save the West? And the big focus was on Islam in America. And again, the majority of the group was Christians who had a wide range of opinions on Israel because they did not come out with their attendance. I won't give any names of people who were there because I'm not a rat and I'm not a snitch and I have integrity. But I will say there were people there that are household names that everyone watching this would know who claimed to be, you know, proponents of truth and truth warriors and so brave for always standing up for, you know, the truth and the right values. And they just watched as someone from the event or I don't know who hung the Jews out to dry from that event and never came out, because these are household names that could come out and say, well, I was there. This wasn't a Jewish intervention. This wasn't a Jewish event. You know, I was there. Bill Ackman wasn't in the room when Charlie brought up Israel. How could it be like, Bill didn't even talk about Israel? Bill, the main topic with him was we had a discussion that was really interesting around the housing crisis in America. And he and Charlie had different ideas. And Charlie's stance was, you know, I just believe that the American dream should include people being able to buy homes. And Bill made his point, which I actually tend to agree with, which is just keeping that concept because it was the American dream isn't necessarily true. And the idea that people want the flexibility and rent affords you capital to put in other places, like, I don't know that investing in a house is actually the best investment practice at this point. That I thought that was a really good debate. It wasn't even a debate. That was just a discussion. It was like a fireside chat.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's what Bill was in for that day. But, yeah, I definitely look at the people that said nothing and see that very differently because they claim to champion, you know, again, the truth and to be brave, and they certainly aren't doing that.

[A]

Why do you think well, of course.

[B]

It'S the same reason that Megyn Kelly won't denounce Candace or Tucker. Because people want their audiences and they want their clicks, and they just want to stay popular. And they did something that, yes, might have been unpopular with the left, but you knew it was popular with the right. And we're seeing that a lot right now. So people understand what it means to go against someone with a large audience. Like, I, you know, I had no idea that any of this information would even come out. I never posted about it, never said anything, never got a photo with Charlie. Like, we just had meals with him. We talked, but, like, this was an off the record meeting. But how should I say this? When it did come out, I thought, like, Candace has a cult following she can make. She's convincing people I'm part of a cabal that tried to kill. That did kill Charlie. And so I am. My life is now at risk because her followers are so deranged. And there are people who were there who won't say this was not that. And we have most of the movement. I just posted yesterday a video version of something I wrote on my substack about the problem with Megyn Kelly right now. And it's a very risky thing to do. And I don't like influencer drama. Like, I don't do. Like, people will throw lobs at me sometimes. I never respond ever. Like, I just. That's not what I'm here to do. But this is different. This isn't like a personal thing. This isn't like, you know, something happened to us behind the scenes. And I'm bringing it to the forefront. Megan is the leading mainstream voice of our movement now, and she is a woman I've looked up to for so long. And if she's not willing when she has all the money in the world that she could need, when she has such a large audience that maybe if she lost some followers, she'd still have a massive following. And she's not willing to denounce what Candace is saying, what Tucker is saying, and she just kind of brushes it off as well. Candace is a young mother. Tucker's my friend. So Brandon Tatum is friends with Candace, and he openly disagrees with her on what she's doing and still says, but I love her like a sister. If he is able to do that when they are friends and you don't even know her, then why should I expect someone who was in the Hamptons with me to come out and say anything? I think that there's a Lot of moral cowardice now in our movement under the guise of political bravery. And I just need to be able to live with myself. So I'm not gonna, you know, And I also want to be careful to not make what I'm doing in this movement the anti movement, because that becomes distracting.

[A]

Well, and then we're really screwed.

[B]

Yeah, no, it's distracting, but someone needs to say it. And the same way. Like, the same way I started posting on Instagram and on TikTok with my videos, which is like, someone needs to. And obviously other people were doing this. I'm not saying I was the first, but someone needs to show people that, you know, there's someone in New York City, there's someone with a normal job who's risking it saying, like, I'm gonna say it. So other people start to say it. Not even to change your mind, but to make the people who are already agreeing with me more courageous to say something. And in the Torah, and it's also in the Bible, but Nachshon, he's the guy that. I don't know what it would be like in the English translation. It would be similar, but when the Israelites and Moses get to the Red Sea, they're scared. It's not that the sea just splits and they walk through and everyone's happy. You need the first guy who gets into the water chest high to then have the sea split, to have everyone else be comfortable. And even then, you needed the women with tambourines to kind of make everyone feel good going across the sea. But it's not that people are just brave and walk through the split red Sea. So I'm. And I know there are a lot of conflicts in the space with people who are longtime friends of Meghan who might not necessarily agree with what she's doing now and like her silence. And I think her silence is very dangerous because Meghan's very smart. So we can expect better from people like her. And we need her to lead the movement into back towards honesty and truth and integrity, because I know she has those qualities.

[A]

Specifically, what would you like her to speak up about?

[B]

She is not calling out the crazy voices in the movement, and it's a problem. She is platforming people who spread blatant lies on the Internet. At this point, she's Glenn Greenwald. Like I said, we're not just talking about Tucker and Candace. It's Glenn Greenwald. I remember when she had Jason Whitlock on a while ago. Doesn't push back on a lot of things. He says that's not the Meghan that I know. Why is she not pushing back on that anymore? She's miraculously incurious about what Candace is saying.

[A]

Miraculously incurious.

[B]

Miraculously incurious about what Candace Owens is saying on her show while calling her brilliant. Now, here's the thing Meghan could say, because you and I get this, we say, I said to you, I haven't watched your show in a while because we're all very busy. We don't have time to watch everything because we're creating it. Right. But if Meghan's going to call someone like Candace brilliant, which she did a month ago, we're not. This is not a clip from even six months ago. One month ago, she called Candace Owens brilliant. So if you're going to say that, then shouldn't you know what Candace is saying? But then you're going to claim you haven't seen the show, so then don't call her brilliant. Right. That's just the Megan that I know when she wasn't in independent media, which by the way, she now claims is more bulletproof and has more integrity than mainstream media, which I would argue is so not the case anymore. We see, like you and I both see the incentives for people in independent media. And I think it's even more vulnerable to being swayed in a lot of directions even than mainstream media. And also, Megan's show now like a red Seat Ventures, the people that do her ads, is now owned by Fox. So she's kind of back to mainstream, but we don't talk about that. But she claims that she's more independent. She isn't looking into what people are saying. And she thinks she, and I'm trying to figure out if she knows the power that she has. But when she, when she was at Fox, do you remember 2012, when she went to that decision desk and she said to Karl Rove, are you saying this because this is what you want to believe or because it's actually happening?

[A]

Right.

[B]

And she was pushing Karl Rove. And remember when she asked Trump that question in 2016 because she was willing to ask anybody and everybody the tough questions. And now I see her just lobbing softballs at people all the time. And why, why does she do that? Because that's not the Megyn Kelly that I know. I expect nothing from people like Tucker, from Candace. I don't think they have any integrity. I don't think they really have intellect. So I can't expect anything from them. But for Megyn Kelly, sure, I expect stuff from her. And we need her. We need her leading our movement. And the danger now is she's very mainstream. She's always been mainstream with good reason. And. Sorry, I feel like in a serious moment, Theo's butt is like, at the camera.

[A]

We love and always need Theo. But do you know, do you know her? Have you met her?

[B]

No, I don't know her.

[A]

Have you contacted her about this? Like, to me, I don't see why she.

[B]

But I don't presume that, like, you know what I don't like? I don't like when small accounts on Twitter do things like Megyn Kelly, please have me on your show. Or like this. X. Yeah, have me on your show. I'm not doing that. I'm just, I'm trying to show that I'm willing to say this because it's not gonna. Maybe it will affect some advertisers. Maybe it will affect, you know, someone reached out to me about doing someone's show this week and I said, well, they're close with Megan and I just posted this and I don't wanna put them in a tough spot, but this is too serious right now. Like, this is about. It's. It's like the Jew hatred to me is the outcome of all the other problems that this is feeding, which is victim. Like Tucker Carlson. If you listen to what he said at the Turning Point event this summer, it sounded no different than just being a pro life Marxist. You're peddling a victim mentality. You're telling people they should blame everyone else for their problems. It's not the conservative. It's not the right wing movement of get out of your mom's basement, iron your shirt, go to your job, be proud of what you do, get married and have kids, even if you don't think you could afford it yet. That was the, like, the spirit of our movement just two years ago. And now it's turned into, I'm gonna blame everything on the global elites and women and the Jews.

[A]

I just think that, first of all, I've heard you say many times how much you've always really looked up to her. And you're brilliant. She's brilliant. The conversation is what needs to happen, in my opinion. I don't know.

[B]

I don't know how to. But I find it interesting. She totally changed it. She totally changed the guests she had. I used to listen to her every day up until a month ago. A month ago. I listened to her every morning when I'd watched her.

[A]

A month ago. So we're taping this on the one month anniversary of Charlie's murder. So right around that time, that's when you stopped.

[B]

Yeah, things had gotten busy. I was traveling a lot in August, so I wasn't. And I intentionally took time off in August to not listen to politics. So I wasn't listening to anything as much. But you know, a lot of shows went by the wayside when I started Content Creation because again, it's a busy life. And I always enjoyed listening to Megan. I read her book when it first came out. Was I in middle school or high school? And I read her autobiography and I was so inspired by her. And I remember I would watch Bill O'Reilly when I was in middle school. Like I was always addicted to the news. And I remember watching her. It was at Kelly's Corner, Kelly's Court. It was, she had that, that segment on bill on the O'Reilly show all the time. And I just remember looking at her and that's, that's part of what, you know, the motivation of. I mean, I was always like we talked about, I wanted to go to college, a good college. I wanted to study. But I thought that's what I want to be the person who went to law school and is on the news. Right. So I really admire her and I know I can expect more from her. And I don't know what is going on with her right now. I don't. And we need to say, and there's a way to be gentle about it, but I don't agree with the approach of pussyfooting around this issue where people think, oh, well, if I'm just like, you know, it won't do any good because if we push her too hard, she'll, no, we've already lost her. She's calling Candace Owens brilliant. She won't call out her friend Tucker. And she had a real mask off moment with her sit down with the Fifth Column. I like their pod too. I do listen to them and I've met a couple of them in New York and I like them because they're kind of like weird libertarians. So I like to listen to them because I think some of their takes are really, it's just so different than what you and I hear and think about all the time. And it's nice to get a sample of what other people are thinking that aren't like on the left. And they were asking her about Tucker and she said, Tucker's a dear friend. He's not an anti Semite, by the way. She won't say why he's not declaring someone is not something does not actually make that true. But okay, she says he's not an anti Semite, but I don't care. I don't care. And that moment that I don't care, the way she said it, I don't. That, to me was the real reveal of. No, you actually just don't care if he's an anti Semite. And you could say, like, again, Brandon Tatum does a great job of saying Candace is like my sister, but I think she's totally off here. And I think this is bad. Right. And I don't know why Meghan can't do that with her friend.

[A]

This speaks to a bigger issue, I think a bigger problem in general with the party and the turn that it seems to have taken really, since the election last November. And I don't even know how to fully describe it. What's the why behind the change? And maybe, you know, what is the best way to describe where we are today as a. The conservative MAGA movement? Yeah, Well, I mean, we.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So weird.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I think I said this to you before, which is the left said, we're going to be really crazy, and the right said, hold my beer. Right. Like that's what's going on right now. I think it's just. I think the left went so extreme in one direction that we've swung all the way in the other. So it used to be that, you know, like, white men were the cause of every problem, but now it's that white men are the most persecuted people on earth, which is in itself also laughable. Like to say that. Right. Both of those are extremes. Right. Do I think there's a war on white men? Of course. I've been one of the advocates for men. I've been the one saying to stop blaming white men for things, but it doesn't mean we should pretend that they're the biggest victims in the world. And also, what is that victim mentality that is spiritually leftist? What are we doing? And it does feel like the way you. You ask the why? The why? I think that we have like a. There's a spiritual malaise which on our. In our party is starting to be masked by possibly fake spirituality by some people. And what. What, you know, you can never tell what's in someone's heart. I can't tell you that someone does or doesn't believe in something, but I feel like you kind of know when something's genuine and when it's not. And we were using something as an excuse and I have a lot of friends on the right, a lot of Christian friends who are having a really hard time right now dealing with this rift within Christianity also in our movement. I don't know who guides us through this, but in the way that I think the left wanted people to be very mentally weak, there is something happening now where there are people taking advantage of our movement. And I say they're not really right wing. Right. Like, Tucker Carlson at this point is a pro life Marxist. He doesn't sound any different than like, the ends of the horseshoe have gotten very fat. And he sounds really no different than someone all the way on the left, except on one end someone thinks that it's okay to kill a baby that's eight months in the womb, and on the other end they think plan B is murder. And like, those are the extremes, but everything else they're kind of agreeing with. And you see this all the time on the Internet now. Right? Like, why am I agreeing with Marjorie Taylor Greene and Mehdi Hasan? It's like, well, why do you think that is? Right, yeah. But the way the left wanted people to be mentally weak, there are these forces that. And some people, like my Christian friends, might say it's satanic or demonic. In Judaism, we have a little. Our concepts are a bit different than that, but it's the idea that there are people taking advantage and they want people to be. I'm calling it. I don't know if this is the term I'll stick with, but the other day I said it's like they want us to be spiritually obese, like unhealthy, grotesque, like not in control. Like there's something spiritual right now that honestly feels darker than where we were a year ago.

[A]

And on the other hand, you have, you know, total 150, 200,000 people a month ago, three weeks ago, at Charlie Kirk's service, where there really is. I mean, I feel it at airports and at restaurants and more strangers than ever coming up with tears in their eyes saying, okay, this moment, that terrible thing that happened and what's come from it has made me want to open my Bible and want to dig in deeper and actually pray. Right. So you have the revival is what it's being called. And yes, Christianity, but faith in general is what it is, what it feels like. I mean, you feel that part too.

[B]

100%.

[A]

What's that balance? How do you.

[B]

It's a very strong source of light with a very strong source of dark right now. Right.

[A]

I feel like Charlie was that person. When you say who's going to guide us through? He was in so many ways. And I don't know that it was fully appreciated or looked at that way that he was the one until he was gone. So who is that person? And I know that that's. I'm not asking for a name per se, but in general, what is the party as a whole, what do we all do? I mean, there's at least 77 million of us, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What do we as a whole do to try to stop the splinter and bring people back together? Because a year ago, that's really what it felt like.

[B]

I mean, I think we went from an attitude which is the tent is wide and we have to be careful because the lack of gatekeeping is also what got us into this mess right now. But right now we're becoming ideological purists, which is very spiritually leftist. And I think that's where a lot of this is coming from. And it's at the extreme end of the right. And so when it comes to who fills that gap, well, that's why we're in this mess right now, because to fill Charlie's shoes, which can never actually be done, but like there's a huge vacuum of power, which is not that different than what's going to happen when Trump isn't in office anymore. And then we're really in trouble because then really, what is our North Star? And that's the problem with people. And I say wait for the sentence, viewers. Because the problem with a Trump or Charlie type is that them being that one man show that is history, just in who they are as a singular person is difficult then. Because then when they're not around.

[A]

Because then what?

[B]

Then what?

[A]

Right?

[B]

And we do a. And that's why we need to challenge people like Megan who are the leading voices of the movement now and are picking up the microphone. But she is willfully abdicating her best qualities right now and she needs to retain what makes her Megyn Kelly and not what makes her appealing to audiences of our craziest voices.

[A]

When you talk about Trump and what happens after, I will say I've never been more excited about like in the sports terminology, like the bench that he has. Right. You think back to his first term.

[B]

And Pence isn't that crazy to think that Mike Pence was our vice president.

[A]

It's insane.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

So to see, to compare that to the strength of J.D. vance and really the resurgence of Amarco Rubio people that, you know, a couple years ago it was like, oh, yeah, I remember him and of course, Tulsi Gabbard and the very diverse, unique cabinet that he has put together while acknowledging his failures the first time and, you know, hanging on to the wrong people. But this time he was planning for four years, since he, quote, unquote, lost that election, to bring the right people in. So I do think, and I also think he's putting JD in some really incredible positions, leadership wise. And for us to hear him speak, which is many times better than hearing Donald Trump speak. Right. Like, just let him go out there and say it himself and establish himself for what's coming when the. When, gosh, a year from now really is when the next presidential campaign begins. Right. So maybe I should be more fearful. For me, I see who he has lined up and have a ton of hope versus the first time.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I share your sentiment. I remember watching the RNC last summer and thinking, I can't remember the last time I saw people this young and this good up on stage. Like, this is a real moment. But it's all going to be a waste if, like, whether it's JD or Rubio or whoever it is right now with where the right is going, like, we need to, like we're, we're allowing to happen to us what happened on the left, which is to have the craziest parts of the movement, right, the party platform. And it became, we are becoming the least appealing parts of the right and allowing that to amplify and metastasize and what moderate's going to vote for that?

[A]

Right?

[B]

Like it was, we kind of scraped by this, this last election and we had all of tech with Elon, we had all those guys that never would have been motivated to vote getting up because of Elon Musk. We had Tulsi, we had a Kennedy name, we had a real unity ticket. We had parents who were saying, my kid, you know, moms who never voted Republican or Donald Trump in their life. And I do distinguish Republican and Donald Trump. Those are two different types of votes. Never voted for any R in their entire life. And their kids coming home saying, there is a kid in my class that says they're a furry and they're shitting in a litter box in the bathroom. And that mom went to vote for Trump.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

And because things are better now in a lot of ways, like the economy's better, the border's secure, we're taking, you know, Trump's sending ice to Chicago, he's sending the National Guard to Portland. Like, he's doing things that we're happy about. But when things get better, I don't think that people's takeaway from that is, oh, well, I'll just vote for the people that made it better. Back to Rob Henderson's idea of luxury beliefs, you have the luxury to think, oh, well, maybe it won't be so bad. Right?

[A]

They get lazy.

[B]

People get lazy. They don't get up to vote. They don't feel like they have the excuse to vote for Republican because at the end of the day, voting for Republican for a lot of moderates, they feel like, well, that's the evil party. Like, they're the. They're the mean ones somehow. Even though I think we're, you know, like, the way a good parent is, like, strict with the kid, it's like, no, we're. I think we're very kind, but they're not going to have those same excuses to vote for us. So even with our best on the ticket, we need to do a lot to be appealing. And this was actually, I will say, like one of the differences I had with Charlie when we were talking in the Hamptons is we were talking about different things in the culture. And I said to him, you know, the left did a really good job of the slow boil of the frog with culture. They're very patient. They're like jihadists. They're like little by little by little. And why don't we try something like that? Like, instead of trying to convince someone that, you know, plan B is murder or that a first trimester abortion is murder, why don't we say, hey, like, we get, like, the average person, we can all agree late term abortions are horrific. Right? That's horrific. And just start there. Right. And then at least work on that. And then you move your way to, you know, like, you have to ease people into this. And he did not agree with me on that, really, at all.

[A]

Well, I guess it doesn't surprise me based on his beliefs, and I understand that life is life is life. And if that's your stance, then none.

[B]

Of it is acceptable, it wasn't surprising. And I said, but there's your beliefs and then there's strategy.

[A]

Exactly. And I remember even with someone like Tim Scott, who I love, and at that, the first debate in Milwaukee in 23, and just 100% across the board, pro life, and never any moment for an abortion. Okay, Rape, incest, those kind of things, but otherwise, no. And as much as I might agree with that, I thought to myself, yes, yes, yes. And that is not going to win over those people in the Middle who, frankly, we need in order to get into the White House. And so it is strategic and it is painful and it is somewhat of a negotiation. Right. With. With your voters.

[B]

But it's also not asking someone to denounce their belief. You don't have to say it somehow means that you're okay with the rest. It just means that, like, do you want to save. It's like you're saving all the babies or none of them. Like, why don't you save some babies then? Right? Like, why is that not the goal.

[A]

Instead of so black and white?

[B]

Yeah, because also, like, with that attitude, it's not working. It's not convincing the model. Like the people who agree with you already agree with you. That's a lot of the. Right. You know, the way we talk to people, it's like I've been saying for a long time, it's not that facts don't care about your feelings, it's that feelings don't care about the facts. People feel how they want to feel and they find the information to justify however they feel. I don't think. You know, no one voted for Donald Trump because someone showed them stats on the border and they thought, oh, I guess the border crisis really is bad. No, they saw illegals covering their streets, right. And that's how they knew we had a border problem. They had crime in their cities and that's how they knew things were bad. People feel things. And on the right, we think about things in certain ways because facts, until, I think fairly recently and now I do think things are changing. Facts are what win us over. And we presume that a moderate or someone on the left will appreciate the same argument. But we have to go to them with how they think about things if we want to reach them.

[A]

Have you thought about being a strategist? Have you thought about, you know, enough people in Washington, D.C. really, especially with your demographic as a 32 year old, beautiful, brilliant, Ivy League graduate, influencer, proud Jew.

[B]

Thank you. You forgot hilarious, though.

[A]

I mean, first and foremost, that's obvious. Yes. Good mama.

[B]

He's like, she thinks she's funny. That's why he looked up. He was like, I have to hear all the jokes. By the way, he does hear all the jokes before anyone else.

[A]

Is that why he's asleep right now? Right. Kidding. See, I'm funny too.

[B]

That was good. That was kidding.

[A]

Just keep laughing. Make me think that I am. No, I'm really serious. Because you also are fearless. You are. You have been your whole life. You're. Hi, Thunder Every time I talk about certain things, doors fly open and light and dark.

[B]

There are some freaky things going on. And it's October. It's like spooky season right now.

[A]

We are living proof right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Have you thought about that?

[B]

No, I've never thought about that until right now. Yeah, I just think.

[A]

Think.

[B]

I don't know. I honestly, like, I've been to D.C. you know, I'm from New York, so I'd go to D.C. as a kid. I'd visit. I'd go and after college to visit friends, do a, you know, a kind of weekend trip. That was easy. But now that I've spent time in D.C. this last year especially, it is like the bottom dwellers of society. Like, it is like eating the shit off the ocean floor. Bottom dwellers that, like, it really sucks your soul out. And it's amazing to see people who are incredible people and somehow ignore everything around them. But that's hard. I think the incentives are really bad in D.C. so.

[A]

So no, you don't want to help.

[B]

No, I would want to help. But again, like, I don't know who. Like, not everyone wants to hear the truth.

[A]

No, you're absolutely right.

[B]

I say most people don't want to see what they don't want to see and they don't want to think about the things they don't want to think about, which is. Honestly, that's. And we're not going to get into this topic. I know we're wrapping up, but I would say like, like October 7th happens, and we're in the middle of Washington to see if these hostages come back and what happens. But that happened. Not because there was some inside job, because anyone who knows anything about Israel would know. The last thing Bibi would want is this. Because, like, many things could have happened to him as a result of October 7th. But the people, all the Israelis living along the border with Gaza, I've been there. I've been along that border. You don't want to think about what you don't want to think about. You know, people, we would joke, oh, like the. They're building tunnels underneath. Like, you'd hear bang. My friends who live down there, they'd be like, we hear banging at night. We're like, hope it's not a terrorist about to, like, pop up into our kitchen. You know, like. But in general, it's true in America, too. People don't want to hear it. But I appreciate the suggestion.

[A]

I'm serious. But you are already doing that with what you're doing with your Content. And yes, you use a ton of humor in it, but there's messaging in all of it, too. I mean, intentional.

[B]

Yeah. Well, that's part of why I have the substack now that it's not huge. I just. But I want to put the ideas out there. I'm spending time on things that don't make me money and don't get me followers, but I'm focused on rounding out, showing people I'm not just the 32nd funny girl on Instagram, but that there's a lot more depth to it. And I'm really enjoying the fact that I have a platform where I get to just.

[A]

And the fact that it has evolved so fast. This level is awesome. This is a question I've always wanted to ask a Jewish friend who was conservative, because I don't know many of you.

[B]

There are like six of us.

[A]

I know. Well, there's seven with my skin color who are conservatives too. So total. We could take over the world combined. My best friend from college. Love her two pieces. Jewish. As liberal as they get.

[B]

I knew. Yeah, I know.

[A]

And I've asked, I've challenged a little bit. I don't know that she knows why she is either. I mean, it's just expected. And what is that? Why.

[B]

Why are Jews liberal? Norman Pothertz wrote a book on this a long time ago. I. We are the dumbest smart people on Earth. First, I also think the difference between Jews and Christians or any. Any other religion, but let's say Jews and Christians is that if someone grew up Christian and now they're secular, what do you call them? Call them an atheist. They're not a Christian. If someone's not practicing and they don't believe in Jesus, they don't believe in God, they're not Christian. Like, they're. They're an atheist in society, they're secular, whatever. And when someone's Jewish and they don't go to synagogue and they don't keep commandments and they don't care about Judaism, but they have a Jewish last name, what do you call them? A Jew. And so the problem is not that Jews are on the left. Orthodox Jews overwhelmingly are right wing. They overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I became more religious when I was younger for many reasons. I felt very connected to Judaism, all kinds of stuff. But the first time I started going to an Orthodox synagogue was because my family's Conservative synagogue, which is kind of like the middle one, we would clear a kiddush table in five minutes, the rabbi would be crying about something political. And we Were like, this is ridiculous. We don't feel comfortable here. Let's go to the synagogue with our friends who share our values. Right. Because, like, the house of worship should be a place about values, whether it's religious or political. Because political, they feed each other. Right. So religious Jews are right wing, but unfortunately, most people are secular. And I generally, you know, in the Torah it says that God promises to make us as numerous as stars in the sky. And I've never taken that. We call it pasuk, but I've never taken that sentence literally. And I've always understood it to be that people would always know the Jewish people and we'd always be represented as stars in the sky, not in numbers of population, but just in being known around the world. And so that is why people think about Jews as liberals.

[A]

I'm blown away, though, by the number of Jewish friends that I have who maybe high holidays, but that's it. There's no practicing and hello, Christians, Catholics? Absolutely. I just think for the Jewish culture in general, it's shocking to me, especially in this country, the numbers that. That really don't know why they're Jewish, don't know why they call themselves that.

[B]

I think it's so crazy because when I think about how I'm sitting here and the thousands of years that my ancestors went through of persecution. I messaged someone recently, I have a friend in the space who's also very concerned about the Jew hate. And I said to him, I said, the nation of Israel always lives. And what a blessing that we get to be strong for everyone else because we've had the easiest lives. So it's not fun. And I don't sleep anymore, but I think I'm earning my stripes as a Jew today.

[A]

Oh, my goodness, you are. Ouch. Right? And watch your back at the same time, because when you do, speak up, and that's for anybody. I don't mean that literally because you're Jewish, but in general, it is scary and it is easier to stay quiet, which is why I'm so glad that you're not. You're also, because you're so funny. I mean, your standup stuff. What the heck? When did you start that?

[B]

It's so recent. I started. I actually, I had it scheduled for September 15, my very first one, which was obviously just a few days after Charlie and I debated canceling. And I spoke to a friend in the space, Michael Malice, and he made a very funny joke. We talked on the 10th and the 11th, and he went on, I think it was GUTFELD on the 11th. And he said, well, and I had all these nine, 11 jokes prepared, but now they just seem in bad taste.

[A]

Goodness gracious.

[B]

But he made the point to me. He said, when you're a comic, you do it anyways. You do it anyways. And I also thought, because what I'm making jokes about is the truth and it's getting to the truth because that's what comedy is. Right. Comedy is the last bastion of free speech. Every society. Right. Like even in kingdoms in the Middle Ages where you couldn't say anything against the king, the jesters could. Right. And not always. And sometimes I got killed. But that was still the final place for truth. And what I talk about. And I think it's another way to connect with people because right now on my Instagram, you look at it and you think she's a right wing influencer. But how interesting if you see me on a stand up stage and your. Your guard isn't up when you make people laugh, they're laughing. And by laughing they're agreeing with you before they realize that they maybe shouldn't be right socially, they shouldn't be laughing at what you're saying. And that's what makes it so powerful. So. And Charlie, so when you're in that song.

[A]

Yeah. I'm so glad you did. Which does take strength also. But what would he say? We all know. And I knew him. Not nearly as well as you.

[B]

No, I did not know him well. I didn't know him well. I'm not well.

[A]

You had probably more deep talks with him than I did, which I wish I could have. And the moments I'll never forget. And super grateful that he gave me an opportunity in so many ways. Right. To talk about my faith and just get up and speak and talk. But no, it does take courage to keep on going. And that's what he would have wanted you to do. I think in general though, like what you're saying is so important. Yes. But it's also what you're doing. Like, even if people aren't listening to what you're doing, you're still out there, you're still doing your thing, you're still smiling. You're forcing it in some ways. Yeah.

[B]

I appreciate that. Yeah. And I'm like, I'm going. I'm trying to do it much more often now, like once a week. And I'm waiting for the time. I just bomb, like, I need to. I ever. You need to go out there and have no one laugh at literally anything you could say. And you just Muscle through it anyways, you know, like, that's. I've just always been. I've always liked to entertain and make people think and.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You know, like I told you that we started this by saying the first thing I said to my new friends who were Ethiopian is, oh, that's so funny. I don't. Didn't know you have food in Ethiopia. Right. Like, but I think it's a new way for us to, you know, late night controlled culture, which controlled politics for over two decades. And the right's getting a little unfunny. There's still lots of funny people, but we're getting, like, very serious about some things and we need to stay funny. You know, like, people are tired of being angry. People are tired in general. Life is full of friction and people just want to be happy and they want to laugh. And I love life and I have like a, you know, joie de vivre. Like, I, you know, I just, I have fun. So, like, when things are terrible, I'm still. Well, you know, you still have to laugh about it.

[A]

And also, I think being real and showing that and showing when you fall on your face and you're gonna make fun of yourself. And the number of times I've fallen on my face in front of live television cameras with millions of people watching, and I realized, oh, gosh, I still have a job at the time and I'm still alive. Like, I'm still here.

[B]

The world keeps spinning.

[A]

Somehow it keeps spinning. So you get back up and you do it again. And then every time it's a little bit easier to take that step and take that risk. Like, I think that's super important. You're also. We talked earlier and then I know I need to let you go. You have to get back on the highway in this lovely weather, in a tornado pretty much. Which is only happens at my house not a couple miles down the road at your house. You know, girls, and we talk and. Okay, am I too shiny before we start? You're natural. Like, you're not doing all the crazy things that are all over the place on social media. And, you know, the ages of my girls, they're 23 and 19, the girls. And all they know is growing up with seeing women inject themselves and fix everything about them. And it's like, well, I need this. I need. It's not that we don't feel it and I'm a lot older than you, but at the end of the day, you grew up in that too. You've chosen to just. Again, you're 32 years old.

[B]

Be myself again.

[A]

I'm jealous and envious and all the things and hateful of you right now because I'm not 32 years old. But. No, no, no, I'm serious. Stop, stop, stop, stop. I'm just saying, like, it's hard. It is hard right now to do you. To take care of yourself, to get up early, to eat well, to exercise. One thing she'll always be better at than me is sugar intake because I'm addicted and you are not. You are the opposite. What is your why behind that? Because also living in South Florida. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

[B]

The why, I would say, is pure laziness.

[A]

I don't believe that.

[B]

Yeah, no, I hate. I didn't own a blow dryer until a year and a half ago because I literally. I've been on Dave Rubin, our friend Dave Rubin. I've been on his show with wet hair drying. Okay. That was me. I literally, like, I mean, I will say the only thing that's fake is this. Half my hair is probably from a Uyghur sleeve, you know, like it is. I do have extensions in.

[A]

Okay. They're so natural.

[B]

But they look so natural. But I did. I'm very honest because I did that because my hair just got a lot thinner.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

There are many reasons why I could have. But anyways, I wanted it to look like the way it used to look. So I'm very open about that. I actually, that's a joke. I had in mind my last stand up set where I was like, it's all Uyghur hair. I actually had hair before it, by the way, that was curly. And I was like, what the? Like, I thought I got a slave Uyghur hair. Like, what is this curly? It's curly. It was really annoying, but so some of it's pure laziness. Like, I think I told you this when I was fixing myself up and I still, like, don't know how to do makeup. I paid someone a year ago, right before inauguration to teach me how to put makeup on, because I was going to on national television with tinted sunscreen, eyeliner, and eyebrow filler. Like, that was it. Like, I did nothing.

[A]

You did get away with it. That's the best part.

[B]

But I also just think, you know, I just want to look like myself. Right? And I. I saw an article a while ago. I think it was EV magazine, which I think is so. Like, I love Evie.

[A]

And I think I discovered it recently.

[B]

It's so needed now because there's, there's a big jump now where you go from being like a 5 year old girl to a 25 year old girl and there's nothing in between. Like kids these days, they look so much. The makeup they're doing, everything. Just the maturity level, the dances they do on the Internet. It's like, you know, the jokes online of like, this is what I was doing when I was 12. And it's like the weird grainy colored filtered photo from your MacBook or something like that. That's what we were doing. And so Yvie, I really appreciate them. And they had an article months ago that said it was basically saying, I think it was about sex in the city and how like everyone's faces look different.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And now everybody looks the same. And I think everyone's thinking the same, looking the same. And like, who do men actually think this looks good?

[A]

That's what I'm wondering.

[B]

So like when women look like a brat doll with the crazy lips, I'm like, it looks ridiculous. You look frozen. Like no one looks good. Like, you get like the Chrissy Teigen Putin. I think they look really similar now. Cause they look so much filler in their face. That's Chrissy Teigen, who used to be, by the way. Wait, this is beautiful. Small side story, is that her husband, John Legend. John Legend. I was about to say Lennon. I'm like, that's so not right. John Legend, who actually we went. He also went to Penn. And I know it's such a weird. As did Trump, by the way.

[A]

P.S.

[B]

But yeah, he'd be like, I went to the Wharton School of Business, so I'm like, really smart. But just like Trump does. I'm gonna work weave us back to this. John Legend, married to Chrissy Teigen, used to be dating Osama bin Laden's niece.

[A]

What?

[B]

He used to date Osama bin Laden's niece and he somehow still wound up with a bigger terrorist, which is Chrissy Teigen. So. Yeah, but Chrissy Teigen, she looks crazy with the filler in her face. Like her cheeks are like out to the stratosphere at this point. Just like.

[A]

But she didn't need it. I thought she was so stunning. I met her probably 15 years ago when they first started dating. He came into espn, one of the typical women who's so stunning. And you go, why?

[B]

Why?

[A]

But now they're also, by the way, I always say for women that you can just see blatantly what's been done, and I don't even know that much about It. But it's obvious. Filler lips. All the things I'm like, their husband must not like them or love them at all in order for them to be like, babe, we're not doing that. We're not, like, all of us are imperfect, but I love you. And I love you the way that you are. Please don't do that. But has that changed?

[B]

I was like, my other secret. I have no Botox. I've never done Botox in my face, ever. I actually just stopped expressing with my eyebrows years ago. No, Like, I can't, like, look, there's no Botox here.

[A]

No, no, but no.

[B]

When I say stopped expressing, like, when I was in tech, I realized it was very powerful because it was all men in, like, engineering and data science. And someone would ask me my opinion, and I do show exactly how I feel on my face. That was always my feedback. When I was in finance at Goldman, they'd be like, wex, we all know Doug is retarded, but you show it on your face when he asks you a question. I'm like, okay. And they're like, we know. Israelis are blunt. And I'm like, yeah, you're right. I'm Israeli. I'm just blunt. And I'm like, no, but, no, I stopped expressing. But because it's Florida, I do the underarm Botox. For sweating.

[A]

For sweat.

[B]

For sweat. And it's so helpful.

[A]

My daughter's been begging me for that for so long. And I'm like, no, no, and no, because I'd to have to pay for it. Does it work?

[B]

Yes, it's so. Because here, shoot. You walk out of the house and you're covered in water just like. Like, you're not even. It's not even sweat. It's like the humidity here. I forget when my hair. My hair air dries in when I'm. Every time I visit New York, I'm like, I forgot how straight my hair is and how, like, shiny it could be. Because here, it doesn't matter what you do. We're live. Living in a sauna down here, you.

[A]

Know, which makes the skin healthier, though. As long as you put your sunscreen on. On, right?

[B]

I don't do sunscreen.

[A]

Excuse me?

[B]

I don't. No, I just chemicals.

[A]

Because why?

[B]

I just think that, like, our skin is meant to be exposed, like, here and there in small increments to the sun.

[A]

You know where you live, right? Yeah.

[B]

No, but, you know, in the summer, I get very pale. Because summer in Florida is our winter.

[A]

It is.

[B]

So everyone, you Just stay inside. You don't do anything. It's dead. No one's here. So it's a good. I stay out of the sun completely in the summer. And I have like some Asian grandma gardening hat that I wear, which is less for the skin and more because it like just makes your hair color crazy. Your hair. My hair got orange one summer from this somehow. But I'll tell. I mean, see, black don't crack. Hi. Yeah, hi.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I wouldn't know.

[A]

I wear a lot of sunscreen. Just saying. Just saying. But I also have things that I've been super self conscious about for many years. I.

[B]

Like what?

[A]

Like melasma. Do you know what that is?

[B]

Is that skin discoloration?

[A]

Skin? Yeah. And like spots that I used to think it started off as a couple of clumps of freckles and then it just grows and grows and grows. Especially with hormones that are fluctuating. And especially that happens a lot of times when you're pregnant. I didn't get it during any of my three pregnancies, but I started to get it after 40, actually. And now that I'm in my 50s with menopause, it's like all over the place. And so that's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I don't have wrinkles. Thank you. Thank you, dad. My Irish Italian mother is like, sorry, if you ever do get them, that's me. But so far, Dad's winning. But we only see what's bad, right? So for me. Yes, thank you. I have good skin and not many wrinkles. But like those spots. I'm convinced that if I. And it's just a little concealer, whatever. But I'm convinced if I don't put it on that literally people aren't looking at me in my eyes, they're only looking right there looking at me. That's crazy. Which is the insecurity. I mean, we all have something. That's why I tell my girls. But how do we get to the point where we're okay with those things? You know, I'm trying to live it with my daughters. I'm failing in many ways. But I don't want them to be so hard on themselves. Yes, I have been.

[B]

There's a fine line because I do think there's something that would be good about society. Going back to. Nice presentation. It's actually really rare that I'm wearing jeans right now because first they're so uncomfortable. Like, who wears to be you. I noticed you always wear jeans. I noticed you were jeans.

[A]

So much homework on me.

[B]

I Looked at, like, a few videos. Yeah. But, like, of course I did homework. I went to Wharton. Okay.

[A]

That's what you do.

[B]

That's what I do. But I. I think, like, I've actually started dressing up for my flights again when they're not long. Not like the long haul flights where I want to be comfortable, but, you know, when I have my 2 1/2 hour flight to New York, I'll wear, like, a cute outfit, maybe boots with a little heel on them, and it actually changes care. And you show up for life and you show up for other people, and I think that's nice. So I think a little presentation. Like, I do like that. Now my hair's dry when I'm doing shows.

[A]

You went all out for me.

[B]

I really did half of it. I think it's still, like. Because it's so. There's so much hair now. Like, I think it's, like, still a little wet back here, but I think that's nice. And then there's the fine line of when it becomes that nothing is natural. Like, you know, when I've dated guys and, you know, I'm not waiting for marriage, and a guy will say, like, you look the same at night as when you wake up. But it's crazy that they notice that.

[A]

Because they've gotten used to the other. Where it's like. And, you know, I being in TV for 30 years kind of ruins you, too, because you go and you have a makeup artist and then you look great, you feel great, you go to the grocery store looking great, and then you take it off and people are like, who is that?

[B]

Well, also, I'm. Okay with me. Listen, I wear makeup when I go to these events now. I want to look nice. I do the fake lashes. I have some little. You saw. I, like, have a little fake right now, but I look like myself, Right? Like, it's looking like you're seeing yourself.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Just like a clean, like. Like, you know, just a brighter version of yourself. What I really don't like is how people are changing the way they look, that they look like different people, like, different humans. And that's really bad. And like, the way. The way people do makeup, it's not that you're doing makeup for yourself now. It's here. Like, there are all these videos now on Tick Tock and Instagram showing someone making them, like, with all the makeup and how they could transform their face into something entirely different. And I know that's where, like, catch fishing comes from, right? And, like, photos are fake or, like, The. You know, with the makeup, you look totally different. But, like, now everyone contours their face the same exact way to look like it's a Kardashian look. Like, I say the Bratz all look. And that's what I really don't like. I also think, like, I. I hate the feeling of makeup.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I hate.

[A]

Especially down in South Florida too, where. With the humidity. Yeah, it's.

[B]

And it's like a. A lot of my friends, they say they wear makeup because it makes the skin bad, but the skin's bad because they're wearing so much makeup.

[A]

That's the reason why.

[B]

But I think people would be. I think people would be happier. And like, a lot of other countries do this. Like, in Israel, women don't dye their hair. And I'm like, wow, women go gray that early. But, like, it's nice to see people looking natural. So I'm with you. Also, I've noticed this, that my videos tend to do better. And that's not why I stay natural. But a lot of times my videos do better.

[A]

Really?

[B]

When I'm. When I don't look as good.

[A]

I think we need to give credit to your followers. And I think most people who prefer just be you, because we're all imperfect. And when we see other people, especially women, kind of owning it, being like, yeah, okay.

[B]

I feel like she's telling me right now that, like, I should own looking back.

[A]

Not at all. First of all, she's like, you can.

[B]

She's like, you're so brave for looking like shit.

[A]

No, that's not true. Because I watch your videos and what did we talk about earlier? Because your skin is so good, like, you can do it. There are other people who couldn't get away with looking natural. It is what it is. It is what it is.

[B]

Honestly, it is. I will say it's surprising in this space when you meet people in person for the first time and see how different they look without the filter.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's like a jump. Scare is an extreme phrase, but there is a big delta between the way people look in their videos and in person.

[A]

But I do think it is important. And then just to let go, like, that is something that has come with age. Like, it is what it is. There's certain things you. You work on, but otherwise. And it sounds so cheesy, but, like, I'm okay with finally loving myself. Like, am I a nice person? Again, sounds cheesy, but, like, what are we leading with here? This. Because that's all fixable and by the way, it's gonna keep changing. Yeah, well, other times always wins, right?

[B]

What's gonna happen to all these people who've been pumping their faces this way for 10 plus years?

[A]

I know.

[B]

And then every. Like you said, the pendulum always swings.

[A]

Always.

[B]

And yeah, but also, I didn't do this to be pretty. Like, I didn't do videos to have people think I'm pretty or compliment me on my looks. I did it to say, this is what I believe in. And you could agree with it or not, but maybe it'll make you think differently.

[A]

Are you single?

[B]

I am fully, yes.

[A]

Looking?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. Do we have a type? Does he have to be Jewish?

[B]

Yes. Okay, yes, I've dated non Jews, but I'm not trying to take anybody away from their mother at Christmas. And I love Christmas. I wish my friends a merry Christmas. Like I. When I go to the grocery store and they're like, happy holidays. I'm like, and Merry Christmas to you. You know, like I'm a, you know, that's. But my respectful of everybody. But I have a Jewish home.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I think even less religious Jews. I went on a date with a Jewish guy last week and he doesn't even realize like how big our difference is in where I am where he is. And like he doesn't even know what he's not doing. So at this point the difference is just too big. But also my personality is quite big. And so that is. It's like I have a personality not meant for a Jewish guy in general, I think. Yeah.

[A]

But I love that you know it. And I've always wondered. I have many Jewish friends who are married to Christians and vice versa. And I'm like, how based on. But again, I guess if they're not a really religious people, then it doesn't matter for me. I also said, I mean. And Dave asked me my list of requirements. My first was about taking that faith journey with me and you know, knowing he wasn't. That he was Catholic, but also.

[B]

Which is basically a different religion.

[A]

It is, it is these days, which is a fascinating conversation as I'm grew up Catholic, but certainly taking some turns and really trying to figure out and explore more. And I also don't understand how people can be married if you're, you know, a liberal versus a conservative.

[B]

I don't believe in that kind of intermarriage. Well, I know I do to an extent. What I will say is two things. One is the man can be conservative, the woman could be liberal, because women are supposed to be emotional. We're emotional creatures.

[A]

Yes. Emotionally insane.

[B]

Kind of insane.

[A]

Out of control. Yes. The white, liberal women.

[B]

So that makes sense. But, like, what? I don't want to be in a lesbian relationship. Like, you think I want to go out with a liberal guy?

[A]

Same thing.

[B]

That is the definition, New York. Because I'm not a lesbian. There were, like, no straight people today, so, my gosh. So there's that.

[A]

And you want babies.

[B]

Yeah. God.

[A]

Someday. I mean, God willing. Theo.

[B]

He's not a baby. Like, listen, I know he's here. Theo's not a child. Like, he's my dog, and he's. And honestly, just so people know, Sage asked me to bring. Basically, I'm here because she wanted Theo here, which I love that he's just a. Theo purse. Yeah. But he's a dog, and I love him. He's the. He is one of the most. He's the most amazing dog. I got so lucky with him. Yeah, but he's not a child.

[A]

Do you bring him to restaurants and stuff?

[B]

No.

[A]

Are you that, like, that dog owner?

[B]

No, no, no.

[A]

Because I hate that.

[B]

No, I don't do that. And food driven. It's distracting. I only. The only thing is, it's tricky because with our schedules, like, a lot of times I'll leave him with a dog sitter. Like, whenever I go to dc, I can't bring him because I'm always in meetings. Like, I don't sleep when I'm in DC, Though. You know, I can't bring him. But for certain things, like when I'm in Florida and I have meetings, but, like, he needs to be walked. And, like, you could do the sitter, but at some point, it's like, why do you have a dog if you never see the dog? So I like. You know. And he's a really good flyer. I just brought him with me to Montana. That was so much fun.

[A]

And did he have the red vest on on the plane?

[B]

You don't need to do the vest.

[A]

No, you don't need to anymore.

[B]

No, he had the bow tie on. He's a gentleman.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Yeah, he's.

[A]

Yeah, but he's not your service animal.

[B]

No, he's. Why are you outing me on YouTube, Sage. What the. What the. You know why? It's because. It's because I made the joke about Joe Rogan and Dana White at the beginning.

[A]

This is your revenge. I look at people like, you, service dog, red vest. I so hard judge.

[B]

No, he's not a red. He's not on the red vest, but he's very well behaved. I get his first class. We don't bother anybody. He's so. He's so spoiled.

[A]

He goes under your feet.

[B]

People ask me, they're like, oh, does he like, look? I'm like, he expects first class. What do you mean? Like this.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

He's a Jewish American dog. He's not an Israel. You know what I tell him all the time? I say, if you were an Israeli Jewish dog, you'd have to be hunting terrorists and tunnels in Gaza. Okay? You'd be working. You'd be earning your meal. You know what? You know what happens here? Jewish American dog. He's on a prescription food diet.

[A]

Shut up.

[B]

He's a sensitive tummy. He's highly. He's highly allergic to dairy. The vet came to me. She's like, I have never seen this number before. He is so allergic to dairy. And I was like, oh, who's a little Jew? Who's a little Jew? And she was so uncomfortable. I was like, you could totally laugh at this. And she's like, no, I can't. She's like, no, I can't.

[A]

It's okay.

[B]

I'm like, it's fine. She's like, it's totally not fine.

[A]

And she's not Jewish. Right?

[B]

And she wasn't Jewish.

[A]

Telling you that as a Jewish girl, you can't say that about your Jewish daughter. Yes.

[B]

Yeah. And I was like, no, I totally can.

[A]

You're gonna be a hot, pregnant wifey someday, God willing.

[B]

God willing.

[A]

No, you are. You are. And it'll be fascinating to see how you parent, especially daughters.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

By the way, would you. If. Would you take matters into your own hands?

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

Surrogacy.

[B]

I guess so. I mean, surrogacy is like. I don't know how I feel about it. I don't have, like. And it's. I see the arguments against it, but I have a. I have some friends who've had to do it, or, I mean, they chose to do it. I'm an IVF baby, which is a topic we don't have time for, but I think is a big. You know, we can talk about a million things, but. I know, but in the movement, like, I think we should be pro family. I totally respect. And, like, again, the. The Jewish concept is just not the same as the Christian concept of, you know, of dealing with ivf. Like, we just don't have the same holdup there. I'm so thankful to. Also, when I was made. When I was made on a little petri dish. Like, when I was in science and high school, like, we all knew I was the ivf. My parents told me my friends would come up to me in bio with a petri dish and be like, aaron, look home. But I was always so thankful. I thought, like, my parents wanted me to so much.

[A]

Look what they did.

[B]

And in theory, they technically never had to have sex to have me, which is fabulous for me, but. Or it means they had so much sex and it didn't work that they then had to do ivf.

[A]

I was thinking that one.

[B]

But yeah, but ivf back then, it was like we're mashing it all together and, like, seeing if it works. Like, they didn't choose my gender, let alone any of the other things you could choose now. And so now we're in this, like, really crazy wild west where, like, again, like, anything, you could have the extremes on either end. Like, do I think you should choose everything with your embryo? No. Do I think we should get rid of ivf? No. And I don't like when right now. People love to criticize something like ivf, but this applies to many other things. And they'll criticize it, saying, well, it's our food supply and all these things that are poisoning us, that are making us less fertile. I'm like, yeah, sure, that's true, but. So you're gonna say people should just not have kids in the meantime, as we try to solve for those issues. I don't agree with that. Yeah, so that's me. And I wanted to say one thing. Cause I said two things before. I'm gonna weave back just like Trump. It's not all over the place. It's actually genius. As he says. He's like, seems all over the place. But I'll always come back on the religion part, which is when you have that intermarriage, like with Jews and Christians. I have a friend who's never cared about her Judaism, which is very hard for me, makes me very sad. We're not a proselytizing religion. We don't care if other people, you know, we're not. We're not. We're actually not allowed to try to convince people to be Jewish. And it's not like a Hodge twins dark conspiracy theory. That's completely untrue. People convert into Judaism all the time. A friend of mine converted just two weeks ago. I was at her conversion. And. And you can convert in, but we're just not supposed to force it on other people. And by the way, we believe everyone goes to heaven as Long as you follow the seven Noahide laws. And, like, I think you go to heaven. I know. I had a conversation with Seth Dillon about this recently. I said, seth, I know you love me, and that's why you want me to accept Jesus to go to heaven. And that's fine. Like, you think I'm not going to heaven, but, like, it doesn't bother us because we think we all, like, right. I think it's all good. Like, this idea of, like, are Jews the chosen people? It's like a whole other thing that people are getting into now to act as if we have a superiority. Chosen just means chosen to have extra homework. We are chosen to keep certain, to keep a covenant with God, to have commandments. And we don't think you're obligated to. Like, you can if you want, but you don't have to. And it just elevates life on earth. Like, that's the point of keeping these commandments. That's what chosen means. But this friend married a Christian, and Christianity means a little to him. Not that much, but a little. And I said to her, I said, you should have a Christian home. Because the best gift a parent could give their kids is faith. And feeling comfortable in faith. It's really hard to grow up with nothing and come to it later. So if you raise your kids in a home where they believe in something, then later in life, if they choose, maybe they get interested in, you know. But that's not why I'm saying it. I'm not saying it. So then eventually they're interested in Judaism. I just think it's when you have, like, you know, if you're an expert in everything, you're an expert in nothing. Like, if you have both religions, you have neither religion.

[A]

That's so true. And you're the first person I probably really had this conversation with, but I think it's so true. And yes, love is. Love is love. And I now know you need more than that.

[B]

Yes. Love does not conquer all.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

And I think there's nothing more important. And Charlie had this tweet just a few weeks before he was killed, which is God, then family, then country.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And I think that. I mean, those are my priorities as well.

[A]

Final question, final question. Maybe about priorities. I don't know. You've done so much, and you're so young, and you're so courageous and fearless. I mean, that. Give it 10 years. What does it look like for you?

[B]

Well, first superstitious. So in 10 years, God willing.

[A]

I.

[B]

Don'T know what I Don't think about, like, what my output looks like in. In terms of work. I always think about input, not output, and I never. So I think that's just a healthy way to think about it. And the space is changing so much. Who knows what it looks like? I don't know. Maybe I'm in a refugee camp with all the other Jews because we get kicked out somewhere. But in general, I don't think about it professionally. I just imagine a house full of books and really noisy kids. So, God willing, I look forward to.

[A]

Watching that from afar and close up. Because now I'm inviting myself to your house. Not because of you, because of Theo.

[B]

Because of Theo.

[A]

I'll give you the code, because apparently you're really good at dinner parties.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

First one tonight.

[B]

No, not first one. I just happened to have one tonight because I have a family member visiting very last minute who decided very last minute that we would host. But, you know, like, when you said.

[A]

It, I thought it was like, oh, my gosh, I don't do this. And stress, stress, stress.

[B]

No, no, you do.

[A]

Okay. Okay, fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So when I show up knocking, I'm not gonna be stressed out. I'm not gonna be concerned that you're not prepared.

[B]

No, always. That's.

[A]

Let's whip it together.

[B]

A good Jewish home. I was gonna say there should always be extra people showing up. You should always, always have enough food to feed an army, and you're always welcome.

[A]

The fact that you've done all this in two years, it's nuts. And I hope in those quiet moments that you can do this, you know, and pat yourself on that. You need to. I'll do it for you, too. Pat yourself on the back, because you could have stayed in that really good job in that career and where you're comfortable, but obviously, that's not what guides you.

[B]

But you know what? It wasn't.

[A]

We're winning from that, though. I know, but that's the beauty of it, and that's why we have to keep sharing these stories, because people think, oh, look, and she's so confident on social media, and she's so beautiful. And look at her skin, right? She's so natural. But all the things. And she's funny, and she's smart, and she's challenging me. And there's still the other part where it's like, okay, did I do that right? This is scary. Did I piss this person off? Am I throwing away an advertiser? Because I went there. You know, that's the courage that it truly does take so thank you. And for guiding me in this way, too.

[B]

Well, I said the best part about. The best part, truly, about doing this is being friends with people I looked up to for so long, including. I remember. I remember hearing you on Megyn Kelly.

[A]

Honestly, two days after I left espn.

[B]

I remember that interview. Really, I didn't what I'd say. I listened to Megan.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Listen to her every day. And I remember you on her. And now we're sitting here as friends.

[A]

It's crazy, but I.

[B]

Up in your bathroom, in your apartment, hanging out, getting socks for the dogs.

[A]

But it was such a scary, raw moment, and I didn't want to be part of any of this. Fine, have my own show. But to talk about things that actually matter, that isn't like baseball, football, fantasy football, basketball, you know, like, that was my safe space because I knew it, and I was comfortable and I could have debates and. Yeah. Now look. Now look at us.

[B]

Look at us. Look at us now. But I will say, Pete, there are different ways to be courageous. And I think we're very blessed because we get to do something where, like, hanging out with a friend is part of business now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's a true. That's the biggest blessing. Like I always say, you know that gay ass phrase? It's like, if you. If you do what you love, you'll never work a day in your life.

[A]

Well.

[B]

Well, I guess I'm gay because I love what I do, and it's so much fun, but not everyone gets to do that. And I think, like, for whoever's listening, like, it's. It's good to have pride in just a job and to have a job that's just a job. And I think that's okay, too, you.

[A]

Know, I totally do. But I also think, like, that's the cool thing, is every person that I. That is nice enough, honestly. To the tail.

[B]

Got the camera. Oh, my God.

[A]

Finally. No, but, like, I learn, you know, I learn because every single person's experience is different, which is why the opinion is different, etc. Like, I'm learning, and I have so far to go. Like, it's intimidating. It is. I didn't. I'm not an. I don't think I'm a conservative influencer at all. I'm giving my opinions and trying to figure out what it all means and what do I need to do better. And. Okay, I still have three kids over here, and I'm newly married, and, I mean, I'm trying to figure it all out. Like, it's a disaster. Here. This is all fake.

[B]

I'm trying to get you.

[A]

This. This is real.

[B]

That's real. This is real. I did want to plug this in to say I'm like, I think the only woman in my building in Miami that has real boobs. They are real. And a real butt and real lips. They're mine. They are mine.

[A]

They're mine. Damn it.

[B]

Yeah. She looked at my boobs right now. Now she just looked down.

[A]

That's because now, this is.

[B]

Men are trained men. When I. They don't.

[A]

No, this is envy and jealousy. This is all of it, right now that you're acknowledging that they're real.

[B]

They are real.

[A]

You can leave now.

[B]

That's a great way to end, huh?

[A]

Cut. I love you. Thank you.

[B]

I love you. So good to hear.

[A]

A, R, Y, N, N, E. There's my black girl.

[B]

Spelling is my. Your name is white. My name is black. 100%. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Who's the DEI hire?

[B]

Actually, definitely me.