B (2:32)

It's the Sage Steel Show.

D (2:35)

I have to tell you that you really screwed me up at Liberty.

B (2:41)

Okay.

D (2:42)

It's a compliment because. Yeah. For people watching. Del and I met at Liberty University. I was going on as Del was like he came before me and I was trying to focus on what I was going to say and you made that impossible.

B (3:01)

I'm sorry.

D (3:02)

No, you're not. No, because of not just what you had to say, but how you said it and the passion that you lead with now. So I don't want to screw it up. So I know you've given this a hundred thousand times. I just want people to know the journey quickly. And then I have a lot of branching off questions from there. From this incredible Emmy award winning television Hollywood producer to now someone who is literally fighting for the lives of Americans and really beyond America, starting with. And focusing on vaccines and the truth behind them.

B (3:43)

Yeah, it's a weird story. I mean, I was just thinking about coming on here today and I tell this story a lot and I just keep wondering what is the best way for someone that hasn't heard this to hear it? You know, how far do you go? How far do you show how dark or deep this is? Is it easier just accept maybe we've all just made a big mistake, you know? So I'm honestly just thinking what's the best way to couch this? But, but how I got into it. I was a producer on the daytime talks with the Doctors. Won an Emmy award celebrating the best that science and medicine has to offer. I love that show. It was a total blast. I always say it had like a Santa Claus element to it where I could find somebody with like the worst physical problem that no one could figure out, you know, a disease or they needed a surgery, they're couldn't walk. And then I could look all around the world and find the best doctor in the world for that thing or someone that just figured out, discovered the cure and then say to that doctor, hey, would you be interested in taking care of this person that can't afford the surgery? So you donate the surgery, but I'll make you famous. And so we were able to change people's lives. It was really cool. But while doing that show, I would say, just to be clear, I was a producer, so I produced one episode every week there's like seven of us to fill a hole whole week and fill the whole schedule. And I was probably the Most controversial producer on the show. The lawyers would always, you know, rib me and be like, you know, you know, you cost us more money than anyone else. Just because I always did the more challenging stories. I wanted to get into, you know, if the drug company had a drug that was recalled, I would get into it. And why. Why did it take so long? What did they know about it before it was ever recalled? Why did it take lawsuits? And so it did shows on that, challenging it. I was one of the first ones to ever cover when glyphosate, which is the chemical and Roundup, the herbicide sprayed on 90% of our crops. When the WHO in 2015 ruled that glyphosate is probably carcinogenic to humans, which is the second highest cancer rating there is, second only. Two does cause cancer. I reached out to Monsanto and said, would you like to send someone to defend your product? And I was shocked. I'd never seen a scientist from Monsanto on television. And they did. They sent their head. Head of toxicology. And so then I called a GMO activist and said, hey, would you like to debate the, you know, head of toxicology from Monsanto? So I would do things like that, which was super controversial in a very. In a daytime talk space. Yeah, I pushed the envelope there. But I eventually got tipped off to a whistleblower in the CDC, a guy named Dr. William Thompson. This was back in 2015, and someone had recorded these interviews with him, and he was saying things like, every time I see a child with autism, I feel guilty. We basically committed scientific fraud in the vaccine safety studies, especially the MMR vaccine and its connection to autism. I can't believe we did what we did. I was like, what is this? And that investigation led me to making a documentary, and that was called Vaxxed From COVID up to Catastrophe. A lot of people credit Vax with sort of igniting this medical freedom movement around the world. It was an international hit. We had got kicked out of Tribeca Film Festival, which was just like a tidal wave of the worst press you could ever imagine, which was fantastic because people just made people really curious. I mean, we were in every headline, Baby Killers. No one should ever see this movie. And of course, that just caused a line down the block. And I traveled with that film for a year. And what really hit me was about autism, really, and its connection, the MMR vaccine, Measles, mumps, rubella. And this study the CDC did, where they ended up really committing fraud. I would say that that film doesn't prove that the MMR causes autism. What it proves is that five scientists in the CDC saw such a strong connection that they committed fraud on that study to hide it. And then the America that was in 2000 and we've never done a study since. So it was like shelved away. No one should see this. We can't. You know, it should have at least ignited more studies in, into looking at it, but.

D (8:13)

So we've never done a study since, but it's still encouraged, right?

B (8:18)

No, we encourage vaccination. We say there's mountains of evidence. You hear things like, you know, we don't know what causes autism, but the one thing we have studied is vaccines. Over the course of my work that there's nothing further from the truth. This is something. Vaccines have probably less science around them than anything you can ever imagine. I know that's a really shocking statements where I was like, how do I put this so that people can accept it? But I started a non profit that as I was traveling with the, with, with the film Vaxxed. One of the things, I want to know what the line was down the block. And so at these, we were doing Q&As after every screening, just traveling all over the country. I decided like the second screening I was like, I said to the audience, would everyone of the vaccine injured child please stand up. And it was like three quarters of the audience stood up. And when I made the movie, I'd interviewed like 10 families. I knew, I really did. And they weren't, these weren't crazy people. These were like lawyers and doctors. They knew what they were talking about. They had videos of their child saying, I love you mommy, I love you daddy running around the house. And then the vaccine and they're screaming and then they never speak again. So it was just. The temporal association is so vivid. You really can't say this is genetic, which is what all of the media is telling you. But when that audience stood up, it felt like the oxygen had been sucked out of the room. I just had no idea it was like this big a deal. And I asked that question, four screenings a day, five days a week for an entire year. And everywhere I went, every time, every time I could do it today if I go and speak, I did the other day at an event. It's really, I was like, how did this get hidden? How did this many injuries get hidden from all of us? It's a really amazing thing. So then people were coming up after the screenings and saying, I want to tell my story. And so we just started rolling cameras everywhere we went and we were really lucky. One of the sort of, I always say, the God things that happened was right when we released that film the beginning of 2016, Twitter had just really started this program Periscope, where you could just live stream across Twitter now X. And then Facebook decided to compete with it a few weeks later. And so we suddenly had this ability to broadcast live like we were a television show. And we just became this traveling television reality show on vaccine injury and just rolled on. People talking about how their baby died right after a flu shot, or my daughter was paralyzed after a Gardasil vaccine. I mean, every single vaccine was being implicated in some horror. And then we had a bus that said Vax on the side of it. People started signing their names. We have thousands, really, when you see that bus, wanted to have the. It's really powerful. But I didn't. People kept asking me, is it just autism or is it in the mmr? And that is the only thing I'd really studied in the film. And all I could say was, look, I have a lot of anecdotal stories of parents claiming every vaccine is injuring some child, many children, but that's anecdotal. I wanted to get to where's the science on this? So I started a nonprofit informed consent action network in the end of 2016 and hired scientists, experts around the world. I wanted to read and study every trial that had ever been done on a vaccine and really focused on, we hear, safe and effective. I didn't really care if it was effective. I'm going to assume they're effective because what's this ocean of injury I'm seeing? How did they determine that they were safe? And that's what I focused on. And I think as a journalist, I probably. I don't know if anyone ever dove as deep as I have. I mean, I've spent years and years on this. I also had to hire an attorney, a constitutional attorney, because. Because vaccines are one of the only products you can't sue the manufacturer. Our government blocks, you know, takes on the liability and protects the pharmaceutical industry. There's nothing like it in this country. And so you can't sue a manufacturer. The people being injured can't sue. Which means you can't get that case like Vioxx where you find out, oh, my God, they always knew this product caused heart attacks or talcum powder. We always knew it caused, you know, cancer or, you know, on and on, fen, phen, or Even, you know, OxyContin is habit forming. It takes a lawsuit to be Able to get to the bottom of that. Can't do that with vaccines.

D (13:06)

And accountability.

B (13:07)

Right, and accountability. So we started suing the government. We, you know, our nonprofit started raising funds from people saying, I want to get to the bottom of this. So my lawyer, Aaron Seri, who I think will go down as one of the great constitutional attorneys of all times, started suing. We started winning lawsuits against the fda, nih, cdc, Health and Human Services, all proving the same thing, that they were lying about the existence of this so called safety science. It didn't exist and they weren't doing anything to fix the problem. So that's really the long and short of it that puts me in the middle of this. Right after we started, end of 2016, early 2017, I started my own Internet talk show. Having come from the doctors, I was like, no one will report on this. The television's owned by the pharmaceutical industry pretty much. So why don't we start our own show and start reporting on what we're discovering through these lawsuits and through our research. And so the long and short of it is this, I can say this, I've won in court on this, is that not a single childhood vaccine that we're giving our kids ever went through a double blind placebo trial, which is like the standard for gold standard for safety testing. Not one of them was ever safety tested prior to licensure. And that's where we find ourselves right now. I mean, it's a really good question. Why? I, I don't know. I mean, I think my, my guess is that the first vaccines came in the middle of crisis, like smallpox vaccine. People are dying. It was a novel idea. Hey, can we scrape the pus out of a cow that has cowpox and slap it into a cut on somebody and maybe that will protect them from smallpox. I mean, that's how the vaccine starts. A guy named Edward Jenner sees that milkmaids aren't getting smallpox, but they're milking these cows that have cowpox. And he says maybe coming into contact with a nephew of smallpox or you know, some version of it is protecting them. Vaca, it means cow. That's what so vaccination is, is where that derives from. So they rush that on, you know, they rush that out, they start this experiment and then there's never, no one ever thinks to do a double blind study where one group is getting a placebo because, hey, why would we put them at risk if this works? Great dire to take the vaccine. So a lot of questions on the quality of that Vaccine. What it actually achieved, we know for a fact it caused smallpox and outbreaks in regions that may have never seen smallpox with the vaccine program started it, but it was the beginning of, you know, a technology. Polio. I think similarly, there was just so much hype around polio that no one asked for a small, you know, a real safety study. It was just, can you make antibodies and somehow protect yourself from polio? And then I think, and this is a guess, we just got used to it being like an emergency measure. So then chickenpox. Chickenpox was an emergency. And frankly, measles was not an emergency. I mean, I know it's hard for people to hear that now, but I'll always say, just type in your computer Brady Bunch measles episode and watch how America thought about the measles back. And I guess it's that late 1950s, early 1960s, and we had a laugh track. Every kid's getting the measles. And the punchline at the end is, boy, if you're gonna get sick, you sure can't beat the measles. But now we hear it's deadly, right? Deadly measles. People die. Oh, my God, we're all gonna die. Measles. It's crazy. And that's what the television does, right? The television owned by pharma has. Has taken a trivial childhood illness and made us believe it's deadly. But again, back to the point, we took trivial illnesses, then just started rushing them onto the market, I think. And then if you take away liability, which we did in the 1980s, 1986, then why do a safety study? In fact, what's crazy, Sage, is we actually incentivize companies to do no safety studies because the liability protection says you cannot be sued for any problem with the vaccine. Anything it does, if it kills, if it does anything, cannot sue. Unless you discovered something that the vaccine does. If you know about an injury or a side effect and you don't tell anyone, that's the only thing you can be liable for. So what you say to them is, wait a minute. So if I do a safety study and find out that this vaccine causes some side effects, that's the only way I can be liable. I'm not liable as long as I don't do any safety studies. And that's the situation we find ourselves in.

D (18:04)

How long have these companies not been liable?

B (18:08)

Since the beginning. Oh, no, no. Not liable since 1986.

D (18:12)

86, yeah.

B (18:13)

Not doing safety studies from the very beginning. So 1950s, for those of us who.

D (18:19)

Are newer to this being a concern. And I struggle with that. Like I. And we'll get to that. The kind of embarrassment and shame that is involved in not realizing and trusting so for so long. How could you?

B (18:30)

I mean, I mean, honestly, I don't. When people, you know, parents feel guilty, especially when their children are injured, they watch with their own eyes. But where were you supposed to find that out? I know every news anchor is telling you this is the greatest invention of the 20th century. Every doctor, even of the people when the child is injured go to the doctor, said, my child's not the same. They go, that's impossible. Had nothing to do with the vaccine. That's just a coincidence.

D (18:57)

Well, you're just some crazy mom, right?

B (18:58)

You're a crazy mom and you get gaslit totally. No matter how you do it. So for people that didn't know, how were we supposed to know?

D (19:06)

I did think that this was just with the emergence of the COVID situation and the COVID vaccine and it's like. And then when I started doing my homework very early on in the process and just things weren't adding up. But listen to Joe Rogan, listen to podcasts almost by accident, just out of curiosity and like, what are we doing? We're stuck in our houses here. Like, I don't understand. And then when I heard that, that there was zero liability, you cannot go after these companies. That's when I was like, are you kidding me? And we're just supposed to trust everything else that you're saying? So again, to think that it came 40 years prior. Like, I'm shocked. As I've gotten older and as life has gotten much busier, I've become really particular about what I put in my body. I want things that actually work. What a concept. Things that I can feel that genuinely support me in showing up as my best every single day. That is why I'm such a huge fan of RO nutrition. Roe makes liquid vitamins and thank goodness, because I hate pepper pills. Roe uses liposomal delivery, which basically means the nutrients are wrapped up in tiny protective bubbles so your body can actually absorb them. I am telling you guys, I feel the difference. This isn't one of those maybe it's doing something supplements with roe. It is immediate, it is noticeable, and it's become a non negotiable part of my routine. Okay, I have two favorites. The first one is the liposomal creatine. I take it right after my workouts and listen, creatine. It's not just for bodybuilders, obviously, women, us Women should be taking it too, especially as we age. It supports strength, recovery, lean muscle, and I actually really notice a huge difference in how quickly my muscles bounce back. There's no bloating, there's no chalky powder. It's just a clean, liquid shot that absorbs the way it should. So this is one. The other one that I absolutely love is curcumin and resveratrol. This one is awesome for healthy aging. Curcumin helps support a healthy inflammatory response. And when you pair it with resveratrol, it is. It's a great, smart combination. It's a daily staple for keeping me feeling balanced and energized. So if you want to try Roux for yourself, Whether it's these two or any of their liposomal formulas, go to rhonutrition.com discount sage for 20% off. Honestly, if you're trying to take your health more seriously and you want supplements that actually do something, this is it. Ro again, that's code sage for 20% off at ro nutrition. R h o onutrition.com discount sage.

B (21:41)

What's wild is from my perspective, right? So 2016, I released a film on this topic that this. The not doing, by the way.

D (21:49)

That's very fast. After your departure from network television, right, where you. You immediately jumped into this.

B (21:57)

I left because I started working on it. Like, I. I got to the point I was in. I was on hiatus. I discovered it right at the. I discovered this story about a whistleblower right at the end of, like 2015, going to 16, right before going on hiatus, the show taking the summer off. And I ran into Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who's one of the most controversial people. He's the doctor. When you hear that fraudulent doctor that connected the MMR vaccine to autism. He had already been working on the documentary when I met him. I was looking into the documentary through an unbelievable set of. You could call them coincidences. They felt like miracles to me, like miracles that brought me to him through. Yeah, it's really an unbelievable story, but we connected. And I was like, wait a minute, you're already working on the story. It's like, I've been working this documentary for a year and a half, so it was already underway. And then I took a look at it and I realized it needed. It needed what I'd done. I just spent years making science and medicine into entertainment so I could bring. It was. I thought it was just too scientific for people to really grasp and fully understand. So we worked for a year on it, and Then released it. I sort of tore it apart a little bit and rebuilt it in a way that I thought would be really more palatable and understandable. So. But I was going. I knew I was going to destroy my career because I'm going to be working with Andrew Wakefield. That's going to. Like, this guy is considering in a textbook, especially in England, you know, under medical fraud like he has. There's a picture of him. And that, by the way, is the greatest fraud ever, is what they did to him, what they said to him, because he was the first one that came out and said, we should be investigating this MMR vaccine. It really looks like it's causing a very unique side effect, which he discovered was a gut issue. Right. That it was the inflammation in the stomach that was either being caused by the autism or was causing the autism, but had some synergistic connection, which, you know, that was all the way back in the late 1990s. Now every time I see a headline that says, you know, new discovery, depression is caused by, you know, your gut, we're realizing, you know, your microbiome is off or, you know, everything that's your neurological conditions, your brain condition is your gut. I'm like, I wanted the headline should just say, Andy Wakefield was right. He was the first one that said it. He was the first one saying, it looks like our stomach health is affecting our neurodevelopment and brain health.

D (24:36)

He's a hero.

B (24:37)

I think he will go down. I believe he'll go down in history as a hero, but he has spent a life being called a fraud, which is. It's amazing to be around someone like that that still smiles and gets up every day.

D (24:48)

Yeah. How well do you know?

B (24:50)

Very well.

D (24:51)

So how does he handle that?

B (24:57)

I think he just has compartmentalized it and just said, people are wrong. They don't know what they're doing. And he has a huge following. He's gotten more into making movies because they took his license away as a doctor, and he keeps making movies. He seems inspired about that. Vaxed, I think, was the second film he's gone on to make other films. But anyway, the. The heart of all of this is how do we get. How did we, you know, how did all of these parents get silenced? And where are we at now? Oh, the point I was going to make was I had been already suing the government since 2016. So once Covid hit and I actually just ran, a guy two days ago said, I saw you speak in 2000, early 2019, and you said, they're going to have a pandemic, that there's going to be a pandemic because it's the only way they're going to get all the adults lined up into a forced vaccine program like our kids are. He's like, you called it out. And I really had. It became clear to me that as I was speaking all over the world, that I was watching pharma is the most powerful lobby. I would say I was saying this to audiences. Pharma is the most powerful lobby in Washington. It's out spending oil and gas two to one for every dollar that oil and gas spends to buy government officials. And we fight wars in the Middle east for that money. Pharma is doubling that. And I was like, what do you think they're buying? What do you mean? What is pharma buying? You know, do you think it's like the ability to make drugs? I mean, it's the ability to control our regulatory agencies to protect themselves from any issues. But even more so, I was like, they want a forced vaccine program. It was clear to me not of the. At that point, you have 95% vaccine uptake in our children. What money were they going to make from getting that last, like 5% of the hippie kids vaccinated? Yeah, it was about an adult vaccine program. It's about 340 million. I'm Americans lined up and being forced to take the same amount of vaccines our kids are, which is roughly 72 vaccines inside of 18 years. They want every adult on that program. And then we just become human ATM machines. And then MRNA was a whole other thing, which was a vaccine you can make overnight. Flu shots take six months. You gotta try to guess what it is. This is like, oh, man, we can just take a computer code, wrap it in a fatty lipid, inject it into you, and we, we can start vaccinating for millions and billions of viruses around the planet. But I saw it coming. And for everyone waking up, what I said to my team is as soon the day Donald Trump said warp speed, I said, really for this? We've been doing all this work. We know how they're going to cheat that vaccine. We know how they're going to rush it on the market. We know how they're going to skip the placebo trial, we know how they're going to do all of it, because we have studied how this game has been played with every other vaccine. And so my show, the High Wire ended up going from 250,000 views a week. We do one show to over 7 million in the middle of COVID Because people were like, have you seen this show? We look like we were psychic. We predicted everything that that vaccine was going to do wrong. We saw the issues with cancer. We saw the animal trials. Not an animal. None of the animals were surviving the animal trials for, like, 15 years on Covid. But, you know, so what did you.

D (28:24)

Do during COVID Then when it hit, what did you do?

B (28:28)

I will be honest that for a couple weeks, I put on a mask. I mean, when I saw the videos of people in China falling face first and bouncing off the ground, I was like, what the heck is this? But it became really clear. We started crunching the numbers that was hitting Italy. Wait a minute. And where's the rest of China? Why is it only in the Wuhan area? It didn't sweep all of China. There was just things that did not add up. Then Italy, and then you had that cruise ship that landed in Miami. And we looked at the numbers there and said, this thing has not got the death rate. They're saying there's a lot. There's a huge lie going on here. So at that point, they talked about.

D (29:05)

New York City and all the bodies piling up everywhere and hospitals and they need to bring in trucks and ships.

B (29:14)

The ship and the Jarvis center was, you know, beds, thousands of beds. Never. Not one of them ever used. And I mean, I really. And I think we. I know we all want to, like, get past it, but this is still. It's a part of our DNA now. And it's a very. It's very scary if we don't really realize what happened there and how it happened. How are we going to avoid it again? But I was just thinking the other day we were told, oh, my God, the doctors are overwhelmed. It's so overwhelming. But we were watching videos of 35 doctors all choreographed in a dance in their hospital. Like, these videos going on. Wow. These aren't dancers. A dancer would take several rehearsals to pull off choreography like that. Doctors were doing it. Like, how much time did you have on your hands to make videos? I mean, the whole thing is so bizarre. But.

D (30:09)

But you saw it ahead of time once. The numbers must have been dwindling for them as far as the number of people getting the vaccines. And they knew. They knew that they had gained enough of the trust from us that they could put something like that out there and we would jump. And even you put the mask on. I did. I mean, we all did. And then you're gaslit with when the Vaccine does come out, you don't want to do it.

B (30:41)

That took a year, right? It was a year in the making with that vaccine. And so all that led up to that, all the social distancing, lockdowns. None of it we were reporting, none of this is scientific. It doesn't make sense. There wasn't a study in the world that showed that a mask can stop a particle as small as coronavirus. I was reporting on that. We reported on a junior high student that appears to be the source of six foot distancing. It was just an experiment in junior high as a science, you know, lab or something.

D (31:13)

I didn't vouch to even acknowledge that. Yeah, just made it up.

B (31:17)

We just made it up.

D (31:18)

You know, I was at dinner with a friend recently and she said that she's like, you know what? It's over. We just need to. We just need to move on and get over it. And I got upset and I was like, no, we're not moving on. Not because I want to continue to live it, but because I don't think we are appreciating and acknowledging the depths to which this has affected people in so many ways. And even if you're just not just, but looking at school kids whose vocabulary was delayed because we didn't realize how important it was to read lips when kids are learning to speak, the mental health issues since then, the people dealing with the depression because they weren't able to be there for their grandparent who died alone.

B (31:59)

Unbelievable.

D (32:00)

Will we ever, in your opinion, fully comprehend the effects that this had? Let's just focus on our country. That's all we can.

B (32:08)

We certainly won't if we all just decide to move on.

D (32:11)

Right?

B (32:11)

And you know, people say it's time to forgive people made mistakes. You know, hold on a second. There's a really important step to forgiveness. You have to ask Mimi for. For your forgiveness. You know what I mean? You have to admit you've made a mistake. And I haven't seen anyone in medicine or science or any news anchor for that matter, like Rachel Maddow, like, if you take this vaccine, it stops with you. The virus can't continue on. She was so emphatic about it. And if you're not taking it, you're putting others at risk. That's a selfish decision. So even if not for you, do it for everyone else. Where is your apology? Because when you were saying that, I was saying on my show it's not going to stop transmission because the emergency use authorization written by the FDA said that they didn't even test the vaccine in the trials to see if it could stop transmission. So that this 95% effective was a lie the moment they said it. But where's the apology for saying that the vaccine would stop transmission? Where is Joe Biden or our government? I'm sorry I made you take it because it had no value. It didn't work. You're on number 10 inside of five years or whatever, wherever we're at. I mean, this product did not work, didn't stop transmission. And now we know it raises the risk of myocarditis, pericarditis. Children are having heart attacks, turbo cancers. I think is going to become a reality that we really are seeing from the COVID vaccine. From the COVID vaccine, all of these things. There's so much science being done around the world. But until someone apologizes for that, then how do we move on? Who are we going to trust? This thing was so manipulated. Not only did they give us a vaccine that didn't work, did they, as you pointed out, shut down our schools, destroy our children's education. So many children in troubled homes were being abused at home because there was no teacher to check in on them. You know, people, women were at risk at home. Alcoholism, drug abuse, suicide skyrocketed. I mean, across the board, it was so destructive, our economy still trying to dig out. And so if we move on, what did we learn? Like, I mean, I would just say, fine, what did we learn? And how are we going to make sure it never happens again? Like, I'm ready, as long as someone says that to me. Then tell me what we've learned and how we know we'll never make that mistake again. And I can move on. But I don't see how we move on if everyone is acting like nothing happened. High interest debt is one of the toughest opponents you'll face unless you power up with a SOFI personal loan. A SOFI personal loan could repackage your bad debt into one low fixed rate monthly payment. It's even got superspeed since you could get the funds as soon as the same day you sign. Visit sofi.compower to learn more. That's S-O-F I.com p o w e r loans originated by SoFi Bank NA member FDIC terms and conditions apply. NMLS 696891 every doctor right now is like, I don't know what we're talking. What are you talking about, COVID What, you mean the years we were locked down? The years where you were making Us take products. The years where I literally had like stand outside a piece of glass and couldn't go in and say hi to my grandmother when she was dying or my loved one, you know what I mean? Those years, those years that you want to act like it didn't happen. I mean, I look at like Cuomo running for office. This guy killed. He wrote a law that if you tested positive for COVID 19, that was not a grounds to keep you out of an old folks home. The one thing, the one thing we knew was the elderly were at risk. And that if an elderly person was, you know, testing positive, they shouldn't be around other elderly people. And he wrote a law forcing, you know, retirement homes to take on sick elderly, which put them all at risk. And he had, I mean, and then they started dying. It was like lighting a match in a dry grass field. It's just a roaring fire. And then he hides the numbers and has everyone in his government hiding how many elderly are dying in New York? And this guy is already back and running. We're all going to. I mean, and he's moved on. I mean, he's moved on.

D (36:17)

That's where I struggle too. And I think, and as Christians we are taught the importance of forgiveness because it does take a toll on us and our souls and our everyday. So yes. And you know, what does that balance?

B (36:31)

Look, I'm not going to carry. I mean, I think forgiveness is important. So you don't carry rage and anger. I think we just have to carry knowledge. We've gained knowledge. What we've gained is the knowledge that our regulatory agencies have no problem lying to us or if they want to say it was a mistake, can make mistakes and never apologize for it. But we have that knowledge now. And then we have to ask ourselves if my doctor was able to make as big a mistake as they made and give a vaccine that didn't work and tell me it was going to work, then how does this system actually work? Where do they get their information? And that's the work I'm doing now. The film that I have out now is getting back to the childhood program because it's not an anomaly. This isn't something that I know for you it was like, oh my God, that thing was rushed on the market without proper testing. I can say unequivocally that was the best tested vaccine we've ever seen. As fast as that hit the market, as rushed onto the market as that was, no childhood vaccine has had a long term safety trial with that many people in the trial and a true placebo that actually Covid had a true placebo because my nonprofit threatened the fda, that's why. Yeah, we said they were going to use a meningococc. They were using a meningococcal vaccine as the placebo. And we wrote a citizen's petition to the FDA because we'd already won lawsuits against them. They were starting to hate us. And we said, we're going to tell the whole world you're not doing a proper safety study on this product if you don't have a saline injection as your placebo. And look, I don't know for sure. All I know is 24 hours later, after receiving the letter, they stopped all phase three trials. And then four days later, like within the week, announced that they were switching out the meningococcal vaccine. They were going to use saline. So we were like, amazing. So you actually had a saline placebo group, which hadn't happened in any of the childhood vaccines. It was great. But what did they do as soon as they got the emergency use authorization? We can get in the weeds here. It's hard for people to understand, but you had 45,000 people in Pfizer, I think it was, and 30,000 Moderna. I might be reversing those. But tens of thousands of people, they all, you know, half get the vaccine, half get the saline injection. And then what they did was the first hundred, like under 200 people, it was like 180 of the 45,000. The first 180 that got infected, they said how many of those had the vaccine. And what they claimed was, you know, only like I think was nine out of the 180 or something like that. Therefore, the vaccine's 95% effective. It was a really strange way to do it. Why don't we wait to see like a couple more weeks like the test? So that even though it was a study of 45,000, it really ended up being a study of 180 people. And then as soon as they determined it's working, what did they do? They then said it's unethical to keep the placebo group going. They deserve to have this life saving measure. And they went and vaccinated the entire placebo group. So we'll never know what should have been a two to five year study. Right now, as cancer's on the rise, it's like every oncologist, like, I've never seen anything like it. People are regressing back like cancer in ways we've never seen. Remission, you know, coming out of remission. It's just skyrocketing everywhere since. Since the COVID vaccine. I mean, that's what you could say. Now they'll say, you don't have evidence of that. You're right. They'll say that's correlation, not causation. Right. We would have known causation if that placebo group was still going. If they were still getting a placebo, then we would say, hey, of the 45,000, 22,000 of you, what's the cancer rate in this group compared to the 22,000 that got the vaccine? That's what a safety study was supposed to do. But what did they do? They gave everyone the vaccine within weeks. And so we'll never know. And Pfizer and Moderna will get away with saying, oh, it's anecdotal. Anecdotal, really? Why is our all cause mortality? Why are we still dying at higher rates than we were in 2019 before this virus? If the vaccine worked, if any of this worked, we're still dying at higher rates. So something's wrong. We're really sick. Something's making us sick is the virus. Then explain that. Then explain that your vaccine didn't do anything to help us. There's a lot here, but I'm blown away.

D (40:57)

If I go into a CVS or Walgreens grocery stores where you're just going to get bananas, and what do I hear on the loudspeaker, you know, with a really nice voiceover girl and, hey, you're free now. It's free. You know, everything's free and protecting you and your family and especially now that the holiday season is here and the cold and flu season is here, and every time I look around and I find myself getting angry because of what they have intentionally done, and again, with no accountability.

B (41:31)

Yeah.

D (41:31)

So as I'm walking through these, these businesses, like, what can, what can we do besides not take it? Right.

B (41:41)

Yeah.

D (41:42)

What do we do?

B (41:44)

We're really. We're going to have to reassess the world that we live in and how we're living in it. First, we have to ask ourselves the question, are we actually healthy? Just in general, just. I want you, everyone watching right now. Am I healthy? Are my kids healthy? You know, do they have an autoimmune disease? Does your kid have asthma? Does your child have, like some really bad skin irritation? There's their ears, you know, behind their ears, it's cracking and bleeding and they're trying to hide it from their friends. And you're trying to find a product that will work for them. You know, they have diabetes, like all of these things. And odds are your child, one of your children, if you've got two children, odds are your child is sick. Because we're now at 54% chronic disease amongst our children in this country, 76.4%. Robert Kennedy Jr. Just announced the CDC numbers for adults with chronic disease. So we've never seen anything like this. We're all sick. And so under those circumstances, what I would say is, can we take our doctors, can we take the CDC and the FDA and everybody and take them off of this throne or this pedestal we've had them on, that they are making me healthy, that they know more about my body, that because under their watch, we have seen the greatest decline in human health that's ever happened. The numbers show us that in 1986, right, in 1980, right before they gave liability protection, we were giving 10 vaccines to our kids between the age of 0 and 18 years old. That skyrockets to 54 vaccines now. And that was pretty quickly. It ramped right up as soon as they had no liability. I think by early 2000s, we're getting 54 vaccines, 72 doses, because many of the vaccines have three elements in them. At that time in the 1980s, our chronic disease rate in our kids was 12.8%. So just over 10% of our kids, 1 in 10, had a chronic disease. Then we give all these vaccines and suddenly our chronic disease rate by 2011 was 54%. And so people will say, how do you know? I mean, you're blaming the vaccines, Del. But a lot of things happen at that same time. We have the introduction of pfast forever chemicals. We have the introduction of is phenol plastics. We start using glyphosate roundup over all the crops that we're eating. We're injecting our beef with hormones. Fluoride in the water goes back further than that. But we should probably put that in the mix of environmental toxins. And so, you know, and so that's the argument, like, how do you know it's not those things? What we know it's not is that suddenly the earth changed and some hole opened up and started spewing out disease. And what we know it is is it's an environmental cause. Something in our environment is making us really sick and we're dive bombing and our species is in real trouble. And so I would say first of all, every one of those things that we just listed were put on the market through the fda, the NIH the CDC and HHS saying they were safe under their watch. They said these chemicals are okay. The petroleum dye in your Fruit Loops is okay. And the arsenic and lead in your baby food is okay. And this glyphosate sprayed over all of your crops. Okay, better than that, even just GMO crops. How about use glyphosate to dry the wheat so it's the last thing that covers your wheat right before we grind it? Okay? So whatever is causing this, whatever, and this is what Robert Kennedy Jr. Is really looking at, let's look at all of it. Let's not choose sides here. Let's put it all on the table and study each one of these toxic elements that's in our environment. We're eating it, drinking it, breathing it, and sleeping in it. But no matter what, the blood is going to be on the hands of our regulatory agencies. And if it ends up being vaccines, then every one of our doctors is implicated in it. And I'm not saying it's on purpose. I think they believed in what they're doing. But here's what I would say about vaccines. If 54% of us have chronic disease or actually kids, and 76% of us have chronic disease, and at the heart of that chronic disease is really autoimmune disease, or you can call it immune dysregulation, right? Watch the commercials. Watch the pharma. You know, I always say pharma controls your television because it's buying all the commercials. Count how many, what percentage of the commercials that are playing are pharma. That's how you know how much of that channel they own. If it's six out of 10 commercials, they own 60% of NBC. Everyone's being paid. That's how they get paid. There's no funding coming anywhere else. That commercial. So pharma owns everything you're watching, but it's all autoimmune disease. It's all some autoimmune disease and take some drug. And it's why at the end, they say, if you're about to get vaccinated, let us know because we're about to shut down your immune system. Better not take a vaccine after you've taken Keytruda or whatever drug it is, it's all autoimmune disease. So if autoimmune or immune dysregulation is the crisis of our time, for some reason in our evolutional process, or if you want to believe in God and Satan or however you want to look at it, but for some reason, all of the Bodies in America are immune systems attacking the cells of our own body. That's what immune dysregulation is. Diabetes. Your immune system is attacking your own pancreas. You know, myelin sheath around my muscles. And I have multiple sclerosis because my immune system's inflaming. It's fighting my own body. If that's what's causing that. There's no mammal on Earth that's experiencing this other than human beings. So it's not even toxic. Ocean water whales aren't getting autoimmune disease from it. You know what I mean? It's something we're doing. And so of all the things we've talked about, whether it's fluoride in your water or pesticides on your food, all very important to look at. Shouldn't we look closest at the one product that has exploded in this time period that is designed to alter my immune system for life? That's what it's designed to do. If I stop someone walking down the street, I say, describe a vaccine. They'll probably say something like, I don't know. It's like they take a virus or a bacteria and they somehow make it less deadly. And then they inject it into me, and they trick my immune system to think I've had the disease and I have immunity then, right? So we're tricking the immune system, but we're not just tricking it one time, not two times, not five times, not 10 times, not 20 times, not 50 times, 72 times. We are tricking the immune systems of our children, and we're shocked that the crisis of their lifetime is their immune system is now so confused, it's attacking their own body. Oh, hey.

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B (50:11)

It seems like a no brainer and I'm not a doctor. You know what I mean?

D (50:16)

You aren't a doctor, you're not a scientist.

B (50:18)

Right.

D (50:19)

But you very quickly realized the seriousness of all of this and just started to go, huh? One plus one isn't equaling two here.

B (50:30)

Right?

D (50:30)

Why? Let's just dig a little bit further. So, so that's my problem when doctors are like, well I didn't know. I don't know. Well that's your job to know.

B (50:38)

It's your job to know.

D (50:38)

It's your job to know. That's all your job is actually. Especially when you are telling me what to put in my body and when and allegedly why. So that's, I mean the big picture for all of this unfortunately is that the trust is gone. I think for most people who are going to put their beliefs and what they want to believe and their politics and everything else aside and you look at the science and you look at just the facts and what you just said, the one common denominator is that we've had this number of vaccines, has gone from this to this and look at what's come with it with chronic disease, et cetera. Now I don't trust anything they say. So it's almost like the boy who cried wolf. So what happens when, hey, someone does do their job and someone else who's the opposite of Anthony Fauci, who's in that kind of a position and said something that we do need to know.

B (51:29)

Yeah.

D (51:29)

I say screw all of you. Now, like now I'm out.

B (51:32)

I know we could really be in harm's way. I mean, what happens if there is a real pandemic? Covid wasn't a real pandemic that had the exact death rate of flu. Now that we look back at it, that thing was a total lie. It was just a flu season. It was particularly damaging to elderly. They were at a higher risk. There was a group that were at high risk that made it look like we were all at risk. Children, no risk 0 to 20, you couldn't die from it.

D (51:57)

They kept changing. That was a moving goalpost because I remember them saying, zero to 20, fine. And then all of a sudden, we need to get our preschoolers vaccinated.

B (52:06)

By the way, it's the first time we've ever seen, usually infectious disease affects children first. Yeah, that's where I mean, every. The snipple starts in the preschool. This is the first one. Covid was very unique in that it went after the elderly. But we literally vaccinated children who didn't need it to protect the elderly. We have never done that before. We have never put our children at risk to protect our elderly. It's supposed to be the opposite way around. And I don't know what elderly person would want that. Don't risk your lives. Of the babies that have 80 years to live, I have five, 10 years left in my life. The math makes no sense. Why are you putting babies at risk to protect those that are at the end of life?

D (52:51)

Why? I mean, it always has.

B (52:52)

Really. I mean, it always has to go.

D (52:53)

Back to the almighty dollar, right?

B (52:55)

The dollar power, you know, could be things more nefarious. I don't know.

D (53:00)

I mean, was it true that during COVID for example, any. Anyone administering at these, you know, cvs, Walmart, et cetera. I mean, if you go to the Walmart pharmacy and get one, right, Walgreens, grocery stores, per shot, receiving money, there's.

B (53:20)

All sorts of incentives. Depends on what insurer is paying for it, you know. But yes, you are one of the things that's happening. And I think Dr. Oz just pulled back the incentives for childhood vaccines saying a pediatrician shouldn't get paid extra money for vaccinating. And so they're pulling that back. But I think insurance companies are still doing it. And it's why when someone says, starts questioning it, saying, I want to skip this next vaccine, I don't really think my child needs another Hep B vaccine. It's a sexually transmitted disease. They're only five years old. This doesn't make sense for me. Those pediatricians are now saying, then I'm not going to see you. You're out of my office.

D (53:56)

Oh, yeah, it's happened to family members of mine.

B (53:58)

They get fired out of the office and people say, why? All I'm doing is asking a question. Because you're going to have that doctor drop below their quota. They have to have a high percentage rate of vaccine fully vaccinated individuals. If they don't, then insurance doesn't give Them their giant bonus check. And so, yes, all of this stuff is being manipulated by the industry.

D (54:19)

It's like, I immediately think of police officers at the end of the month who need to administer a few more speeding tickets or else they don't reach their quota.

B (54:27)

Right?

D (54:28)

Like, that's what this is broken down here, right? Really?

B (54:30)

Six miles over the speed limit, Is that, like, you know, like, have to do that, you know, so. But it's our health, right? And it's our children. And why are we getting these things? And are they safe? I mean, I'll say this. We wouldn't be having this conversation if we had the healthiest children in the world, if this is the healthiest generation of children we had ever seen. They're just shiny. They're happy, they look like they did back in the 1950s. Everybody's fit, everybody's healthy, run around, they can eat anything, drink anything. They're fine. No allergies, no peanut allergies, none of that. Then what argument will we have? The reason we're here is the opposite is true. We are the sickest nation in the industrialized world. In every modern country in the world, we are the sickest. We brag about our medical, like our hospitals and our doctors, and we have the greatest doctors in the world. And I can get in to see my doctor whenever, but we're the sickest nation in the world. This is the sickest generation of children that has ever walked in this country. We have more babies die on the first day of life in the United States of America than every other industrialized nation in the world combined. Combined. Why can't we keep a baby alive on their first day of life? Something is really, really wrong. And so that's why we have to look at this. And when I bring up that no vaccine has ever been through a proper safety trial, which is. It's now. I mean, that was called misinformation. If you punch in my name, I have the ugliest Wikipedia you've ever said. I mean, I think within the first two sentences, it says misinformation four or five times. It's becoming less and less misinformation. Now they're changing the story. Now most doctors will admit it is true. We haven't had a placebo trial of any of the current vaccines on the schedule because we tested those against the old version of the vaccine.

D (56:29)

But.

B (56:29)

But that old version was tested against placebo. This is the new line. So we backed them into a new space. That's a lie, too. They never did that. Either. And we just. I just, on my show, I challenged Grok, and Grok has come back and said, you're right, there was never any placebo anywhere. So if we've never done any safety trials, then we have to reassess this. But doctors will say, well, we've proven they're safe because we've used them for 50 years. Right? That's what they'll say is we don't need to do safety trials now. They've been in use for 50 years. And look how healthy. I mean, like, wait a minute, did you. Are you using the health of America's children as your proof that this product is working? Because they're the sickest children we've ever seen. We just said 54% chronic disease, it's the worst in the world. And then they'll say, well, you can't blame that on vaccines. Like, hey, buddy, you're going to have to pick a side. You're either going to say, the help of the kids is what you're laying claim to, or their sickness is what you're laying. You can't have both. So that's why the film that I've made, an inconvenience study. That's why the study at the heart of this is so critical. There's only one thing we can do right now if vaccines happen to be the major culprit. As the parents of these, the millions of, you know, autoimmune disease suffering and autoimmune, autistic and adhd. Seventy parents like, it happened right after the vaccine. I watched with my own eyes. Look, we got to be able to figure out that's true. We have eyewitnesses that mean that's what happened. Not necessarily. But how can we get to the bottom of it? If you never did a safety trial, I can't see what you would have learned in a safety trial. Suing you won't even do any good because you never did any studies, as far as I can tell, that you would have known anything at all. So we're going to have to test, if it's vaccines, how do we figure that out? And that's what is the heart of this study. I challenged the head of infectious disease at Henry Ford Health, one of the biggest research institutes in the world. Back in 2016, we were having a dinner, and it was amazing. He sat at dinner with me, but I was traveling with vaxed. And I said, look, you think vaccines are great. I am interviewing so many parents. It's crazy that vaccines, they say, injured their child. Why don't we get to the bottom of it? Why don't you do a study where you compare vaccinated individuals with completely unvaccinated children and let's just take a look at the health outcomes and see who's healthier. And he agreed to do the study, which makes sense. There should be, you would imagine, I mean, what's amazing is you would imagine this study's been done a thousand times, right? Hasn't.

D (59:15)

I feel like there's so much more testing on, you know, makeup that I'm putting on my face by, you know, let's see how the rats survive for six years with this foundation. That's what it, that's what it feels like. That's what I'm learning.

B (59:30)

It doesn't feel like. That is I can prove that through scientific evidence. They're testing everything more than they're testing a childhood vaccine. I mean, I'll take it here if you, you know, one of the big conversations in America is right to try. I want the right if I'm dying of cancer or aids, but if I'm four stage cancer and there's a trial going on, it looks like they're having good results. I want to try that drug. I want to be able to take, you know, but up until now or recently, they'll say, we're in the middle of a safety study right now, a long term, five to ten year safety study on a cancer drug. So we can't have you take it until we've proven it safe. This person's like, I'm dying of cancer. I will not live long enough for that trial to be over. I'm willing to take the risk. I want to take the risk. And our FDA has said for decades, safety is so important, you're just going to have to wait. Meanwhile, that's a drug, let's call it a vaccine that is given to a perfectly healthy child, not dying of cancer, running around, perfectly healthy. That product, no long term safety trial at all. We're going to rush it onto the market immediately. It makes. It is so outside of reason. It's mind blowing. But to just give you an example, and I give this example, in the film hepatitis B vaccine we give to day one old babies, they'll call child protective services at a lot of hospitals and say, you're putting your baby at risk if you don't. If you want to leave without this vaccine, okay, Hepatitis B, sexually transmitted disease. This, this disease you will only get if you're sharing heroin needles for sleeping with prostitutes. I Mean, it's literally made for, you know, rave sex, rave participants, you know, in New York and big cities like you should probably take this vaccine because you're living a very risky life. But a day one old baby, what risk do they have? I mean, I don't know. I mean I almost want to make a, I'm thinking making a commercial. I've got like an infant shooting up with heroin and sleeping with prostate just to make this point. Like, in what world does this kid need this vaccine? But that hepatitis B vaccine they don't need was tested the entire trial. It's all written. I'm not making this, like all of it. You can find, just type in FDA licensed vaccines and then just click on the vaccine insert of whatever vaccine you want to learn about. It's all written there. But a five day safety trial. Five days of 147 kids. 147. Not thousands, not the 45,000. The, you know, COVID vaccine got 147 children between the age of 7 and 10 that they followed for five days after each dose. And that was all it needed. No placebo group, no long term. What happened day six or seven or ten, did anyone die? Anyone develop autism? Anyone getting seizures or any that wouldn't know if it didn't happen inside of five days, five days, we didn't see it. That's it. That's it. I've sued, I actually sued the cdc. One of our cases was that can't be true. Do you have a single trial of hepatitis B for children that lasted longer than seven days? Spent a year in court on that and they finally came back and said no, and now I'm suing, saying then you have to take that.

D (62:52)

But then what happens? So they say no and then what?

B (62:54)

Now the world knows. That's all we get. No one pays anybody. But now you are finally seeing this debate. The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, which is the CDC's advisory group, has all new people that Robert Kennedy Junior's put in there. I think you may, they're going to be really looking at the Hepatitis B vaccine. But that's rushed onto the market and that's the first one. That one makes no sense whatsoever.

D (63:19)

For a day old baby.

B (63:19)

For a day one old baby. Ridiculous. So let's, you know, if people start there, you know.

D (63:24)

But it's still being completely suppressed by the media though. Yes, this information is, you have to dig. I have. People have to know Dell Bigtree and.

B (63:35)

Get past all the misinformation, disinformation when you Google it, that's upon my name.

D (63:39)

When you google it. And when you said that that's what I did.

B (63:42)

I put you in chatgpt.

D (63:44)

Yeah, Good question. Who is Del Bigtree? Del Bigtree is a pretty controversial figure. Here's who he is and why people talk about him a lot. A US television and film producer. He worked on TV shows like the Dr. Phil and the Doctors. Won an Emmy and then right into. He is a very prominent anti vaccination activist. And then on and on and on. So this is the problem. This is what I say to my college age kids who love to have very important conversations about current events around the world. And I got a text the other day from my son about something involving Donald Trump that he got from, you know, it was on Reddit or it's on TikTok news and that's how they consume their news.

B (64:23)

Yeah.

D (64:24)

So that's the problem if they're being told this is the truth. No wonder. Which is. Okay. Thank you Mark Zuckerberg for acknowledging. Only after you were basically pinned in the corner. Right.

B (64:34)

Yeah. They were censoring people that were telling the truth.

D (64:37)

Yes. Or who just wanted to ask questions. That's all it was is a curiosity because I'm not smart enough to have known any of this. I had Riley Gaines on my show a couple of weeks ago. I saw that and the crap that she took, the abuse that she took for singing that she refused to give her baby the Hepatitis B vaccine. Blown away. Yeah, I'm blown away. It's one thing to say I disagree with her. I'm going to give it to my baby. You do you Riley.

B (65:10)

Right.

D (65:10)

It's another thing to attack and gaslight and all of the things to a young mother who's doing what she believes based on her research. She had to dig for it is best.

B (65:22)

She's a smart girl. I mean and again, yeah, you do you Riley. But how about we have a debate.

D (65:28)

Yeah.

B (65:29)

How about explain to me why you think hepatitis B vaccine is good in.

D (65:34)

Your child at a day old.

B (65:35)

At a day old. Like, you know, I mean certainly prior to any years where they might be sexually active or slipping out and doing drugs. Right. I mean hopefully good Christian family. That's never going to be the case. But all right, it happens. But it ain't going to happen at one day old. It's not going to happen two years old. Not going to happen at five years old. Like we have some. Riley has some time to think about. This is the point. Right.

D (66:03)

For today this is my decision.

B (66:05)

I have some time to think about anyone that would say it was reckless to do what she would do. What is reckless is injecting a product you know nothing about, that your baby absolutely does not need by any stretch of the imagination. Unless, unless you're a mother for whatever reason that has hepatitis B. Okay. And that, and that's different. And here again, you know, we, and we test every mom in America that's known by every doctor. Every doctor knows the very few. I think it's about point. I think it's like 3% maybe of mothers somewhere with 3 to 5. Yeah. No. 99.5. No, 0.3. 0.3. 0.3, 0.5%. So less than half of a percent of the mothers that give birth are hepatitis B positive, but they're known. So then have that conversation with them. But why are you giving it to everyone else? 99.95% of moms that never needed this in their baby.

D (67:08)

But then if you are just asking a question, which is what Riley said that she did to the nurse in charge and she was shamed and she just pushed back. The nurse said, well, go ahead and do research and let me know what you find out.

B (67:22)

Yeah.

D (67:24)

So again, even when you try to handle it in a non confrontational way, a conversational way with the experts, the people we are told to trust and this is what we hear.

B (67:36)

When were the smartest kids in your school also the bullies? I mean, I think that that's when you start getting bullied. I think you have to ask, is this actually then the smartest person in the room? Because they should want to have a thoughtful conversation with me. This should be intriguing, interesting. I'm glad you asked. Here's why hepatitis B makes a lot of sense for your baby. That nurse can't. No doctor can make a case for it. They really can't.

D (68:05)

They're not used to people asking. Maybe now more so. But.

B (68:08)

Well, now they're starting to panic. Yeah, now they're starting to panic because a lot of parents are asking questions they can't answer.

D (68:14)

And so if I'm in the doctor's shoes, what are they being told by their bosses, by the ct, they're being trained, et cetera.

B (68:25)

They're being trained to threaten the. If the patient starts asking questions about vaccines, you say this is well tested, that there's no evidence that it has side effects that hurt children. And then if that doesn't work, then you tell them if they don't want to stick with the vaccine program, then you're going to have to fire them from your practice. And that's all they know, that's all they've learned. They don't tell them how a vaccine works. I mean, this is what's really sad is your pediatrician doesn't actually know how the immune system works. And they don't really know what's in vaccines or how vaccines work, which is really shocking. This is one of the tests I do. I mean, and I have a video on my show, the High Water. There was who had a big meeting back right before COVID 19 in 2019. And it was all, how do we stop vaccine hesitancy? And the lead psychologist for the WHO speaks. And so 150, whatever world scientists from around the world all in the room. And she said, one of the difficulties we have is that we have a wobbly front line. Our doctors now are wavering on their competence with vaccines and they're being asked questions by their patients that they don't know how to answer. And she says, because as we all know, you're lucky as a doctor if you get a half a day education in college on vaccines.

D (69:51)

What, through all those years of medical school a day.

B (69:54)

And that's your pediatrician. A half a day. They don't know anything about vaccines except here's how you inject it, here's where it goes, and if anyone complains about it, kick them out of your practice. I hate saying this, but you can test it. You can test it. If you're going to your pediatrician and they want to give them vaccines, just say, okay, what's the vaccine today? Or how many are they? Could you please list for me all the ingredients in the vaccine that you give my child right now? And I so far have tested. 99.9% of pediatricians cannot tell you the ingredients. It's like between 12 and 20 ingredients at most. Okay. They can't list them all right. Now I want you to think about this and then they'll get usually to get pissy about it, right? But they might say, I can go get the vaccine insert and read them to you. So that wasn't my question. I would like to see that. By the way. Please bring that to me. I'm going to read it myself, but kind of curious why you don't know what's in this product that you're giving. There's only two things you're doing right. You're weighing my baby and you're injecting 16 vaccines into my baby, you know, over and over and over again. And so you don't know what's in those 16 vaccines. Okay, then I want you to leave. I want. I don't want. Don't get the vaccine. Just say, I'm coming back tomorrow. Take all the inserts with you. Go read what's in these things and all the side effects that your doctor's not telling you about. But I want you to go find just a decent restaurant down the street. Walk into the restaurant, sit down, then say to the waiter that walks up, usually, probably you're lucky if they're in college. May not be in college, but just say, I've got a bunch of food allergies, kind of sensitive. Could you list for me every ingredient that's in this dish on the menu and watch them do it? And then look at the menu that is 100, not 16, 100 different dishes and say, how about this one? What's in this? Well, if you have nut allergy, that we are using sesame oil on that one. Like, they'll go through it, 15, 20 ingredients, right? And then ask yourself this waiter, I'm lucky if they have a college education at all. This doctor only does one thing and never took the time. No one took that. No one ever thought it mattered. How is it you don't know what is in this product that you're injecting into my baby? And then when you do look into it, when you do read it, you're like, oh, my God, I've got monkey kidney cells. I've got hamster proteins. I have hearts of worms. And for any Christian in the world, I have aborted fetal DNA. Dead baby chopped up, dead baby parts are in the vaccine. On top of polysorbate 80, aluminum, mercury. Up until a month ago and Bobby finally outlawed mercury from all vaccines. You know, it's. It's really. It's disturbing. And again, all I can say is, I know it sucks. We. I see it's more of a religion than it is, you know, a medical practice. This person, white lab coat, you can't bow down to them anymore. You gotta. You gotta treat them as a peer because your baby's life is in their hands. You are. You know, you went and read all the crash tests on the baby stroller and the car seat. You spent hours and hours angsting over, am I going to use glass bottles or stainless steel or plastic? Is there good plastic, bad plastic? You're reading, you know, oh, my God, what's in the baby food? Or, you know, the children's cereal? You're doing that Work. But when it came to this product that's going to be injected in the bloodstream of your children, we just handed our kids over and said, okay, I don't know anything about that. You know? And so I would say it's unfortunate, but we're gonna have to look at that differently.

D (73:39)

Why am I choked up? Why? Like, I am. I'm so mad.

B (73:44)

Yeah.

D (73:45)

I feel like an idiot. I'm so mad because I trust it. When I go to these doctors and you ask a question, then you feel stupid, so you just do it.

B (73:54)

Because they're the smart ones, because they bully you.

D (73:56)

Yes. And 10 years. Like, I just said yes to it 10 years ago with. With HPV vaccines. Because, you know, 10 years ago, my kids were that age.

B (74:05)

Yeah.

D (74:06)

Then you just do it. And they. They lie. They lied to us. And I don't know. So far, my kids are okay, but I know. Many thanks, David. Why am I crying? And I think of the many people who have dealt with so many heartbreaking things because we trusted. And it's one thing if it's a mistake. These aren't mistakes. This is intentional. And I don't think that every single person says, I want to kill babies with the vaccines. Of course not. I don't mean. But these are smart people who are intentionally not giving us the information or making it very difficult to find and then guilting you and shaming you when you ask a question.

B (74:58)

Well, I would say. I just feel.

D (75:01)

I told you when I began this, like, I was overwhelmed with listening to you in person, which is why, please, I'm so grateful you came on my show. And because I have this sick feeling that I, as a mother, did the wrong thing. And now I don't know what's going to happen, you know?

B (75:19)

Well, I mean, just to ease your concern, we live in a very, very toxic world, and we're all learning new things we have to do to try and get rid of the toxins. We've already gotten into our body's mistakes we've made. This is just another one. It's not the end of the world. And we can all start from here and say, okay, but I want to, because people are watching. And it's what I said when I was thinking of coming in here. It's hard to hear that your doctor is doing this on purpose. And I don't think they are. Not all of them, maybe, But I.

D (75:49)

Think the cdc, I think the faux case, I think those people.

B (75:51)

Why? Right? This is like any religion. If you don't open the Bible, you're going to just trust whatever you're being told. Most doctors really think what they're doing is right. They really think that vaccines are shaming them, save lives because they're uneducated, right? What they don't know, it's sort of like when you train military. You train young military to charge a bunker. If they ask why, you're like, that's not for you to decide. The generals all decide. That's how doctors are being treated. Just give. Will you just give them this damn vaccine stuff? Don't ask us questions. Don't let them ask you questions. This is bigger than something you understand. It's virology. It's human. And they're being shamed. You're too stupid to understand. You're not. You're not Stanley Blocken. You're not. You know, Anthony Fauci says, don't try to be. Just be a doctor. We just make sure they take the thing. And that's how they're being treated. It's why so many doctors are jumping ships, why 9 out of 10 doctors is refusing to get a COVID vaccine right now. And they don't understand what's going on. Why is it I was always told to just give these things? Now I don't feel good. Now I'm getting sick or things are happening. So the world is changing, but it's not. They're bullying because they got nowhere else to go. They have no information. They've been robbed of information. Just like you have army men charging into war. They're charging into war on infectious disease with no knowledge of how this thing's working. And so now we're changing. And to your emotion on it. There's once a. I met a mom once who was deep into medical freedom and the issue. But she said, you know what brought me to it? She said, one day I got. My family's all doctors. She said, one day I realized I found out I was pregnant. I got a pregnancy test, and I was like, oh, my God, I got to get a flu shot. Like, it was just how I was trained. I have. I'm pregnant. I better go get a flu shot. I immediately called my, you know, local. I think it was her obgyn. I want to come in. I need to get a flu shot. I'm pregnant. She calls her husband, I'm pregnant. Yay. And so she goes racing to the doctor's office, and she's like, I sat down and, you know, the nurse comes walking out with the vaccine, and she's like, There was one thing I'd heard that there were some flu shots that have mercury and some that don't. So she says, oh, is this the flu shot with mercury in it? And like, oh, no, no, no. We don't have the flu shot with mercury. And she's like, okay. It's like I was about to. You know what? Can I. Because I'm really concerned for my baby. Can you just bring the insert so I can read it? And so they brought it out, and she opens it up and she's like, it says thimerosal. That's mercury. That's like. It's all I knew. I didn't know anything else. It wasn't. I was a total pro vaxxer. I'm hours into knowing I'm pregnant. I'm there to get a vaccine, but I'm like, I know. I don't want this. I don't want mercury going into my fetus. And I just asked you, you know, so then she calls her, you know, the other doctor, her general that she's been with her whole family, decades with it. She's like, I just had this traumatic experience. My ob, I need a flu shot. I just want one without mercury. He said, it didn't have mercury. It did. Do you have flu shots without mercury? Yeah. Come on over. So I go over to my family doctor I've been with since I was a kid, and I go in, I sit down, and she said, you know, they're bringing the vaccine out. And she's like, you know what? Could I. Can I just see the vaccine insert that came with the vaccine? He's like, sure, honey. Because goes out, brings it out, hands it to her, and she opens it up and she's like, it says thimerosal. And he goes, well, I'll be damned. I've been given that vaccine for years. I didn't know that. And she said, I went home and cried for 24 hours straight because it wasn't just that they didn't know. It was. I was trust. How long I've been trusting these people with my life, and they don't know what they're doing. She's like, my whole world collapsed. It was like God disappeared. Like, what am I? What do I believe in? And I think that that's what's happening to a lot of us, and this is what's happening to you right now. We have put our faith and trust in our children, these people's hands, and they just don't know what they're doing.

D (80:16)

There was a Young man, you showed the video during your talk at Liberty. He was it. It wasn't Colton Hudson.

B (80:25)

Colton Barrett. Colton, yeah.

D (80:27)

And what went from an athlete and motocross, you know, star, to paralyzed and then took his own life?

B (80:40)

Yeah.

D (80:41)

If it's okay, I'd love when we do this edit to, to show that.

B (80:45)

Oh yeah, we'll story but if you. Yeah, no, I'll give you the video.

E (80:49)

Colton was a 13 year old, healthy, strong boy. He loved anything that has to do with an adrenaline rush. Motocross was his passion. The doctor says, hey, he's the age that you should get the hp. I said, okay. So he was administered the vaccine that evening. When he sat up to take a drink of water, he just flopped back and his head just hit the pillow. And I went, colton, are you going paralyzed? They immediately took him down to Primary Children's hospital in Salt Lake. Original diagnosis was transverse myelitis. When the doctor came out and asked me, has he been sick? I said, no, he hasn't been sick. He had the HPV vaccine on February 1st. And they went, oh, well, we'll be reporting that to vars. It does suck like not being able to play sports anymore. Now I have to sit on the sideline.

B (81:50)

Just watch.

E (81:50)

Everybody gotta do your research like you don't.

B (81:55)

You can't just try just a doctor anymore.

D (81:57)

Do your own ways to find out.

B (81:59)

What'S best for you. Unfortunately, Colton ended up taking his life in 2018 because he believed he'd become too much of a burden on his family. But the thing I remember was this box that was hanging on his side that was breathing for him and it went through a tube that was going, going through a hole in his throat. I thought about all of the people that accused these so called anti vaxxers of bringing back polio or the iron lung. Once vaccination rates fall, you're gonna have a lot of people getting sick and a lot of children paralyzed for the rest of their life with polio. I thought, he's wearing an iron lung. You're not laying in a metal tube anymore. They've reduced it down to a box that hangs on your side in a hose that goes through your throat. But in this case, he wasn't paralyzed because he had polio. He wasn't paralyzed because he didn't vaccinate. He was paralyzed by the Gardasil HPV vaccine.

D (82:59)

I chose to get my daughter vaccinated because I want her to be one less woman affected by cervical cancer.

B (83:04)

One last Gardasil. Then I went home and started looking up all of the inserts, the warning labels that are wrapped around all the childhood vaccines. And mother, most of them say it right there in serious adverse events. Guillain Barre syndrome, that's paralysis or transverse myelitis paralysis. And I realized polio vaccine is a success. We didn't eradicate paralytic diseases with the vaccine program. The vaccine works. We're causing paralytic diseases with our vaccine program. That story really did. I mean, it affects every. I play it at talks all the time. I still can't breathe when I see it. But what it really made me think is this statement. Those anti vaxxers are gonna, you know, bring back the iron lung. They're gonna bring back polio paralytic diseases. And that's what was running through my head as I was watching that. And she said, this poor, poor kid, he's not in an iron lung. You're not in a tube anymore. It's a box that sits on the ground with a hose that's going through a hole in his trachea.

D (84:14)

This is from the HPV vaccine.

B (84:15)

The HPV Gardasil vaccine. And I can't. He's not the only one that has that story. I've interviewed several kids who were paralyzed and some that are dead after Gardasil. Weird thing is all of them, the parents would always say was a star athlete. It's a weird anecdotal thing that I would want to research more. Is there something about athletes and the way their blood moves and pumps, that it makes Gardasil more dangerous? Because it was an ongoing theme when someone say, my child has been severely injured by Gardasil and here's all their trophies. I would always see their trophies on the wall. And now they're like paralyzed in their bed or dead. But he was paralyzed from the. And this machine's breathing for him. And I have to wait. Every time you'd ask a question, you have to wait for the machine to fill his lungs so that he could speak. And that's when I thought, we haven't eradicated paralytic disease. What we think of as polio. This kid would be in an iron lung during polio. And then I ran and looked at the vaccine inserts, and most of them say Guillain Barre syndrome. That's paralysis. So is transverse myelitis. These are all side effects that are known to happen from vaccinations. And in that story, luckily, the doctor said, oh, it must be the vaccine. That's rare. I mean, I've seen that story. Ten other times. And they were like told now it couldn't possibly have anything to do with the vaccine really, because it's written right on the insert, if you would look at it.

D (85:49)

But through your research, is there any reason to take the HPV vaccine? The Gardasil?

B (85:56)

Look, I don't give medical advice, but I can't find a reason for that vaccine. There's a great book and I really recommend because that is one. Prior to Covid, I would have said that is the most dangerous vaccine there is. Covid's, I think the worst thing ever made. They all have their own issues. But Gardasil's got a really, really bad aluminum load in it that I think is catastrophic too. It's sterilizing girls. It's causing early menopause in so many girls. There's been no reduction in cervical cancer since the introduction of the vaccine. So it hasn't even done what it was supposed to have achieved. And you have massive side effects from it. And there's a book called HPV Vaccines on Trial. Any parent that's thinking about it, take the time, take the time to read that book because it goes through exactly how the trials were done. And it is the. It's so gross when you see how they ran those trials. They literally, in one of the trials gave a placebo group nothing but a shot of aluminum, which is. Should be illegal. That should be illegal. It's a known neurotoxin. You cannot subject someone in a study to. It either has to have no effect on the human body or a potential benefit. I mean, we might give you a drug that could. It proves to be dangerous, but it was to cure your cancer. This. They gave innocent girls shots of aluminum to compare against the vaccine.

D (87:25)

I know you can't get in their heads right now, but yeah, why not saline?

B (87:29)

Like, why not an entire group receives saline. That's what a proper placebo. Why did you give them a known neurotoxin and likely the most dangerous part of your vaccine? Because they're cooking the books. They're saying, hey, see, look, it did just as good as the placebo. That wasn't a placebo. That was a shot of a known metal neurotoxin. So the trials are horrible. The end point was horrible. It never proved to stop cancer. And here's. I interviewed a world famous OB gyn. He said this vaccine was a vaccine that was never needed. He said, because any general practitioner or ob, if you have a patient that gets cervical cancer, you should be fired right away because we are doing Pap smears. And we're doing study. We see the polyp long before it's cancerous and it's removed. This is the one cancer that was never an issue unless it's malpractice, unless you're a doctor or you're never going to a doctor. But you didn't need this vaccine. If you're getting regular checkups, this. You'll never get cancer. So why get this vaccine? And it's really. It's a very, very bad vaccine.

D (88:37)

Parents whose kids have gotten it because we trusted, is there a way to wash it out? Is it based on prey?

B (88:46)

Pray? You know, a lot of these vaccines, the children are handling them well. They're getting through it. It's not affecting everybody. And I would get tests on aluminum in their body, get hair tests and other toxic metals. I mean, in general, we should, all right, now be going and getting blood tests for all the heavy metals, all the things that are out there, and then find a practitioner that knows how to start helping you clear that stuff from your body.

D (89:13)

Is Slotkin the one that was testifying under oath?

B (89:19)

I'm trying to keep Stanley Plotkin. Yeah.

D (89:21)

I'm trying to keep the different incredible stories that you told straight. And he had said he had only used the parts from two fetuses.

B (89:31)

Right.

D (89:32)

For which vaccine?

B (89:34)

For research on vaccines. So these are. I've played in the talk I gave my nonprofit, through some of the lawsuits we've done every once in a while, a leading authority, Stanley Plotkin. There's no one higher in the world than Stanley Plotkin. He's the godfather of the entire vaccine program that exists. We had a mother in a case, a divorce case up in Detroit that reached out and said, we didn't vaccinate my daughter. And now we're in a. You know, we got divorced. Now my husband wants to vaccinate my child. And it was all a whole custody thing. And they're bringing Stanley Plotkin in to testify why my daughter needs these vaccines. It's crazy. I think it was because the case was getting a lot of press, and they thought, let's parade Stanley Plotkin out. But we found out about it. And so Aaron Seri, I said, aaron, any way we can get you to jump on this case? And he said, find out. If asked the lawyers, he said, give me the lawyer's phone number. He said, can we depose him? Meaning before he goes on the stand, can I depose him ahead of time under oath? And so he did for nine hours. It's the most Incredible deposition. It'll stand in history, but he admits a lot of things that they would never want out there. But in this case, we always hear that the Catholic Church is accepted these aborted fetal. Because it's only two abortions. All the way back in the 1960s, that's what we're told. The Catholic Church has said it's okay. I don't know how they came to that conclusion, but we're using that same cell line. And just so people know why it's there, you need a medium in all vaccines. This is what MRNA technology changed. But prior to that new technology, you need to grow the virus or bacteria on something. You got to find a substrate it can grow on so that you can make the vaccine. And so for measles, they grow it on DNA, like the protein of dead babies. That's what they use as the substrate. And they've got these immortal cells. They just keep, you know, producing from these babies. But we've always heard it's two babies. And so in this deposition, our lawyer Aaron says, so how many babies were used in the development of vaccines? He said 2. Then he hands them a study. It says, this study done at the Windstar Institute. And he's reading the Stanley plugins. Like is correct? Yes. Yeah. This is the WinStar Institute. You were at the Windstar Institute? Yes. You're one of the authors on this study? Yes, I was. Okay, can you read how many aborted babies used just in that one study? And he reads, you know, 76 babies all over the age of three months, gestational period. And then he goes through. And what did you do with them? Did you chop up. Were they chopped up in a little piece? Did you chop up the tongue? Yes. You chop up the eyes? Yes. You chop up the heart? Yes. Chop up the lungs, liver. And the truth is that was just one study. We have to assume that Stanley Plotkin has probably gone through hundreds, if not thousands of aborted babies, too. And it's one of the only things that we use it as a product. You're injecting it into children. So of all the things that. And it's interesting, COVID vaccine as well. COVID vaccine is not in the product. It was used to test the product. So they yielded aborted DNA to do testing on how the product was working.

D (93:10)

With cells, which is why there were some saying when I was fighting it, get a religious exemption, because they're using.

B (93:15)

I don't want any product that is involving aborted DNA. So that said, what happened, it was.

D (93:23)

One of the most incredible pieces of video that I've ever seen.

B (93:27)

Yeah.

D (93:28)

What has happened to Slotkin since then?

B (93:31)

Plotkin.

D (93:32)

Excuse me? Slotkin. Plotkin. I have other names I'd like to.

B (93:35)

Yeah, Slotkins. Yeah. He is talking. He is still. He's really upset about the. The film that we've put out and the things that we're now saying in the book by my lawyer, Vaccines. Amen. He just wrote a letter saying, you know, I understand that you're still talking about me. Yeah, we are. Because you say some crazy stuff. All. You can see all those videos on the highwire.com. but yeah, at the end of it, it's really incredible because Aaron asks him, you are aware that all these aborted babies, that this is one of the reasons that my client doesn't want to vaccinate her child. She has religious exemption. He says, I am aware of that. And the Catholic Church has said that it's okay to use the vaccine. And he says, and by the way, I believe the Catholic Church has said that I am the one because I created those, that I use those aborted babies, that I'm the one that will go to hell. And I'm happy to do that is what he says. And then the final question by Aaron is, are you an atheist? Yes, I am. And so just for people that are, you know, Christians or religions of any way you're religious, just know this is who's designing how your kid is going.

D (94:56)

He's the godfather of all of this.

B (94:58)

Yeah.

D (94:58)

This is why I go dark at times with people in conversation about not just how wrong it was, but that there's evil involved.

B (95:06)

Yeah. And the type I always think. I mean, I have a. I have a debate with my friends and on my show about it. It's not the kind of evil where at least I don't think and people will say I'm wrong. I get all sorts of comments, but the Bill Gates of the world and the Stanley Plotkins and the tone. Let me leave Tony Fauci aside. I actually think he's different, but it's not like Dr. Ebel, like, how can I kill a million people? They actually think they're saving our species. I really do think they think that. If you see some of the interviews Stanley Plockton's done over the years, if you really pressure him and you really get him to admit, come on, you know, vaccines are killing and injuring some children every year. He'll say, finally he'll, you know, you can't handle the truth moment. He'll say, of course, there's no such thing as a product that doesn't, you know, that some children don't have a allergic reaction to or doesn't have an adverse effect in some people. But those are casualties of a war. We are at war with nature. And in that war there will be casualties. And those casualties are accepted by me because one day we will live in a world with no disease, with no viruses and no bacteria, and we will have won the war against nature. And for that, I am working. And what he is saying is, I am fixing the mistake that God made, if there is a God. I am making human beings so that they don't have to worry about any disease in the world. And it's that level of, you know, insanity. And it's the type of evil which is, there is no God. I'm God.

D (96:46)

Yes.

B (96:47)

You know, but it's not, I'm trying to kill you. It's like, I'm okay killing some of you because it's the only way I'm going to save all of you. So it's a savior complex wrapped in a total denial of God and not willing to look at all of the harm he's doing. And then when we look at it like, hey, man, we're nowhere near like it affecting some people poorly. We are past the 50% mark. It's a coin toss now whether my kids are going to be sick, they're going to entire lives. Thank you very much for this incredible achievement you've made, you know, on your goal to beat God in nature someday. And that's what I think is really at the heart of this.

D (97:25)

How was Anthony Fauci different?

B (97:30)

I had the opportunity to meet him early on when Donald Trump was first elected. The first time he. There's a whole moment where Bobby Kennedy was up in Trump Tower and they discussed having Bobby run a vaccine safety commission. And then Bobby went out in front of the CNN cameras or all the cameras and said, I'm going to run the vaccine safety Commission. Media went crazy. A few hours later, someone from Trump team came out and said, Bobby was mistaken. That wasn't what was offered. It was a huge deal. Bobby was really pissed. I had just met Bobby at that moment, but Trump ended up coming around saying, consolation prize, really? I want you to go and meet with all of the top scientists in our vaccine program and autism, all of it, over at the NIH and bring all your issues with vaccines there. And so Bobby called me and says, you've been doing a lot of research on this. Bring me your Research. Let's all get together and put together all of our complaint. And so I went with bobby to the NIH. It was in 2017, and there was about 10 people on our side of the table and 10 people on their side of the table. Tony Fauci, who, by the way, I had no idea who the guy was at that moment. This is 2017. Did you know who he was? I don't know. I didn't really. You know, I did know Francis Collins was right next to him. That was head of NIH and then a bunch of other top scientists from the department. But we sat across from them for two or three hours. We were told we would be arrested if we tried to record it. And Bobby laid out all of our issues. Most of what I've told you, we said, we can't find a double blind placebo trial of any of the childhood vaccines. Are you not doing them or are they just early phase trials? And somebody blurted out, of course we're doing double placebo trials. It's just in early phases. And Bobby's like, well, that's why we're here. Cnih, it's all archived here. Bring it to us. Bring it to us and we'll tell the world. And then Fauci chimes in after a very long pause. We don't do placebo trials because it'd be unethical, which is a whole other thing. And then we asked, well, if you're not going to do placebo trials, have you ever done a ret. Why don't you do a retrospective study, which is what the film is about, where you compare vaccinated to unvaccinated. And they said, we can't figure out a way to do that study. I'll never forget that statement. I was like, top scientists in the world can't figure out how to compare one group to the other. That's all you do all the time. That makes no sense. But I remember, like, after being done with that meeting, I called my wife and I said, you know what, honey? These people all believe in what they're doing. Like, the questions we're asking, when you say, why don't you compare vaccine and unvaccinated? We just can't figure out a way to do that study. It had, like, that tone to it. And you realize these people mean well, but they have some sort of strange protective mechanism. I actually came up with this idea that when we say you have an internal, like, protective mechanism, it's not just fight or flight. You actually won't ask questions that will challenge your reason for being. If you spent your life making vaccines, your brain does not allow you to ask obvious questions like, have you ever done a placebo trial? Of course we have. You know, they just believe it must be so. And how about compare these two groups? We can't figure out how to do that. Anyway, I called my wife and I said, all these doctors, I really think they believe they're doing the right thing. They just have these blind spots. They cannot seem. The doors, they will never open. I said, but there was one guy in the room. There was this guy named Tony fauci that was sitting across from me. I said, this guy is dark. There is something about him. I get a sense that of everyone at the table, this guy knows children are dying. He knows children being injured, and I think he actually, like, gets off on it. And I still hold that perspective after watching him from COVID I think he's the guy that starts a fire in a building and then goes and stands right next to the fireman, you know, as close as he can, going, oh, man, can you believe this fire? Like, wanting to be there. I think he loved the fact that he knew COVID vaccine wasn't 95% effective, but he would go on the television and sell it over and over again, Marching people like lemmings off a cliff. It's my own personal feeling. I put him in a different category than almost everyone else. People think are evil. I think he's the genuine deal. That guy is an absolute sociopath. Oh, hey.

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B (102:57)

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D (103:00)

Do you. Can we quantify how he benefited, profited from this?

B (103:07)

I know because it's very well hidden. We know everyone around him at NIAID is getting kickbacks because Moderna made the deal. Moderna is in a deal with niaid. But we can quantify, I think, the amount of people he killed. I mean, first of all, hydroxychloroquine, which he came out against from the very beginning. Every study mirrors what we saw. A Henry Ford study early on saw it. But all around the world it's 50% reduction in death from COVID if you start with hydroxychloroquine. So when he came out against it and made it so that no one could get near it. If we have, let's say we're just over a million deaths, I guess maybe 1.2. I forget what they're saying now from COVID You could have cut that in half. So 500,000 people are dead because Tony Fauci came out against a drug that actually worked. He also came out against Ivermectin. Ivermectin in studies around the world now 80% effective at, you know, stopping death. So that means you could have saved 800,000 people. Only 200,000 might have died. And yet what did he use? Remdesivir. Remdesivir never proved to work. It was a failed Ebola drug. It was so toxic, it was made for Ebola. Remdesivir was so toxic they stopped the trial with Remdesivir. You were better off just dealing with Ebola naturally. That's how bad that drug was. Like worse than Ebola. And then they say, hey, Bauci says he has a deal with. Was it Gilead? Let's go ahead and do a study. He kept changing the endpoint because they weren't making literally mid study. Kept changing. Well, it doesn't stop Hofzol. Well, does at least do this? Does at least. And just lowered the bar for what it could achieve. And then we look at how that was used in hospitals. Nine out of 10 people that got America's protocol, which was a ventilator and remdesivir. 9 out of 10 died. 90% death rate with that protocol. Finally, at some point, an ER doctor in New York came out, made a YouTube video, risking his whole career, saying, I think the ventilators are killing. Killing these people. And he was right that we changed how we did things.

D (105:21)

But in the meantime, keep taking that shot and then take another booster and another booster.

B (105:26)

It's unbelievable.

D (105:27)

They were making so much money.

B (105:29)

The fact that anyone is still recommending that vaccine is incredible, or anyone would use remdesivir. I called a friend of mine who drinks the Kool Aid. He's a doctor in an er. I think he's like a hospitalist. He keeps it all running, and. And I said to him in the middle of it, we don't talk much. We were best friends when we were in high school. But I said, hey, how many people during COVID It was during COVID how many people in your ER and ICU and how many of them are dying of kidney failure? He said, yeah, a lot. I said, really? He's like, yeah, we don't have enough dialysis machines. People are dying left and right of kidney failure. I was like, does Covid cause kidney failure? Like, the disease itself? It's like, not to my knowledge. So then what do you think's happening, man? Do you know that the side effect. One of the major causes of why it got pulled as an Ebola drug was kidney failure causes Remdesivir causes kidney failure. She's like, oh, is that true? I was like, bro, I mean, first of all, ask the question, right? Yeah. Go look at the trials. Kidney failure. All these people are dying of kidney failure across America because the drug we're putting them on anyway, it's a horror show. What happened there?

D (106:44)

I can't keep you here all night. Like, I would like to. To continue with all the millions of questions I have for not myself. Like, for others that I know who have gone through so much real quick. Autism.

B (106:59)

Yeah.

D (107:00)

And I know it's not real quick. And how those numbers have skyrocketed. You know, Jenny McCarthy was a friend of mine. You know, I mean, her son is, I think, almost 20 now.

B (107:11)

Yeah. Yeah.

D (107:12)

His name is Evan. And she's been public about it and.

B (107:16)

Back when no one else was. She's a warrior.

D (107:19)

Yes. And it has completely changed her life, her career, how she has been completely separated from everybody and everything in her industry because of her beliefs, which are based only on what has happened to her son.

B (107:31)

Yeah.

D (107:32)

So how can you quantify what happens?

B (107:35)

If I was good. So. So. So I would say that, first of all, there's one of the videos I play is of another scientist, probably the second biggest scientist in the world, that is in a different case on autism. And we run down the vaccines. So you have a trial, you have a study that shows that this vaccine doesn't cause autism because you say none of these vaccines cause autism. It's an amazing video because she ends up admitting she doesn't have a study on any of them. Each one, one by one. No, there's no study that says it does or does not cause autism. In the end, you're like, what are you doing here? He's like, so then all these vaccines, you don't have a single study that shows that the vaccine doesn't cause autism? And she says, fine, you badgered me into it. No, I don't have a study. I mean, it's like. It's amazing. Like what?

D (108:21)

Like she knew.

B (108:22)

She's on the stand. She's in a court case. You showed up to be the official voice, and you don't have a single study. So when people tell me there's mountains of evidence that show that vaccines cause autism, I mean, I want to use harsh language. That is pure bullcrap. It's just a giant what it is. It's a mountain of lies and deceit doesn't exist. The crazy ways they try to do studies to prove it, it's ridiculous. But I will say this, that when you look at autism, vaccines are not going to be the only cause. I have met people, everyone has very rare, super rare. A child that has autism that wasn't vaccinated. It appears to me in the research I've done, I've done a lot of research, talked to a lot of experts that what autism appears to be is a result of a encephalitis event. I mean, this is what people need to wreck. It's not super hard to understand. You know, it's a child that probably doesn't detoxify well, they can't methylate. Methylation issues. There's some genes. So if you want to look at genes, there are genetic susceptibilities to not being able to detoxify. So in a toxic environment like we have, there's 260 chemicals in the. In the umbilical cord of a pregnant woman on average in America. It's crazy. So our babies are being born incredibly toxic. I think vaccines is just the greatest delivery system of toxins, and odds are that's pushing them over the edge. Something pushes an autistic child over the edge where they Suddenly get inflammation, which is what a vaccine is designed to do. It's designed to cause inflammation, an inflammatory event that incites your immune system say, oh my God, I'm under attack. Let me make antibodies, let me try to quell this inflammatory event. But in autistic children, they don't have enough strength in their cells and their mitochondria and things. They can't get the toxins out. So they over then their brain swells. Their brain swells. Most parents describe screaming for three days straight. Like a high pitched scream. Which doctors will tell you, oh, that's normal. That's not normal. Their brain is swollen, their head just like they've been in a car accident or they've been, you know, a concussive injury in the military, they're screaming. And then when the brain finally, if they don't die, which would be sids, and a case by the way, just won last week, 10 month, 11 month old baby. They proved in court after 10 years in court that the 10 vaccines they got five hours before they were found blue and dead in their crib. That the vaccines caused it. We've known this. Florida is finally going to pass a law. Every state should pass a law that sids, baby Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, that we should immediately ask when was their last vaccination? Shocking that they're not doing that. But I think Florida's gonna start doing that. We should do it across. And if you, by the way, SIDS during COVID when no one was going to doctor and they said all the vaccine rates were dropping. No sids.

D (111:18)

Oh wow.

B (111:19)

SIDS disappeared during COVID Wow, right. Why like it was co sleeping. We were co sleeping more than ever during COVID Why weren't babies dying? So all these things. But back to autism, they can't detoxify and so that vaccine I think is pushing them over the edge. The Illumina or whatever it is. I've heard stories of fluorescent light will fall and smash on the floor in a school and a kid will. Then the next day the parents found him and he's under got repetitive motion. He's suddenly autistic. So that mercury poisoning from the light bulb did it. So it's toxins in children. The rest of the class didn't get autism from that mercury bulb. And the rest of the kids that are getting vaccines aren't all having this issue. It's kids that can't clear it. It's why Tylenol though? This statement that Bobby just made is so critical because what does clear, it's Glutathione in your body is what grabs heavy metals and things and gets it out of your body. Tylenol shuts down glutathione production so it shuts down your ability to get toxins out of your body. So there again, pediatricians will tell a parent if your baby gets fussy after vaccine, give them a Tylenol. I think that Tylenol in many ways is the death blow. It's the thing that finally really robs this child of any ability to detoxify and get through this vaccine event. Imagine they didn't get one, they got 10. Crazy that that's happening. And then I think you see autism. I think you're going to, it's, I think it's, it's going to be really clear. There's a huge study Peter McCullough just put out two weeks ago. I think over 160 different studies all come together and they show that of all there's many factors that can contribute to autism, but the one that is the easiest remedy is vaccinations. And so, you know, and the numbers are horrifying. We're at 1 in 10,000 in the 1960s and now we're at 1 in 34 is the national rate. 1 in 34, the really alarming rate is happening in California right now. In California, they just did a study of all 4 year olds in California and the 4 year old boys are at 1 in 12.5. One of every 12.5 of them has autism and they're only 4 years old. Autism as a diagnosis is harder when they're young. It gets easier. 4 and so between 4 and 8, that number usually doubles. And so there is a good chance that in California right now we are witnessing maybe 1 in 10, 1 in 8 boys now being born with autism, which is something you cannot wrap your head around. And again for your audience, I just want to point out if I, you know, I always say if I can prove someone's lying about least one thing, will you at least maybe question them on all the other things? All of mainstream medicine and almost every news anchor that talks about this will say what about, they'll say autism's always been here. We're just diagnosing it better that the numbers aren't going up. It's just because we're diagnosing more children with this issue. And so there's a great book called Denial about this by Mark Blaxel. But here's the reality. Let's say that's true. Okay, don't just repeat it now. Let's take it on. I have always, let's just say we have always lived in a world where 1 in 12.5 boys is autistic, meaning 1 in 12.5 men are autistic. Is that a world you remember ever being like that? There should be hieroglyphic images. If it was that prevalent in Egypt, we should see pictures of it. We should certainly see and this book gets into it. All the greatest diagnosticians of our time. Like before our time, everything we know about schizophrenia, everything was Freud and Charcot and Tourette's. These doctors that went in and they couldn't fix this 100, you know, whatever years ago they would go in though these insane asylums and just describe every malady that they could find. There is zero descriptions of autism in there. Zero. And if it's at 1 in 12.5, let's be clear. Children that are in diapers, that will never be able to speak have repetitive motion disorders. The severe autism these days in the world we live in, we keep our down syndrome children at home. We keep our autism. But cut to 50 years ago, put them in a Salem silent, they would have been filled up there. They're not there. There's no description of it whatsoever. Leo Canner, who's, you know, discovers this autism phenomenon in America. He has, I think 10 kids, might have been 12. They call him Canner's kids. He, he's the one that named it, you know, Asperger's. At first scientists fly in, psychologists from all over the world to witness his 10 kids and write about it. Went back to France and oh my God, there's this crazy thing. Why were they flying here if everyone had it right? Makes no sense whatsoever. And lastly, what Bobby points out. Where are the guys my age with autism? Every old folks home should have 1 in 12.5 men standing in a corner. Repetitive motion disorders, not, you know what I mean? Where are they? They don't exist. So it's a lie, it's not genetic, it's not always been here something, it's an environmental issue. And so Bob is going to get to the bottom of it. And you know, as long as he's there long enough and as long as people support that work is probably a combination of a lot of things, but vaccines, I think given the amount of eyewitnesses I've interviewed and what we see there, this is going to, it's going to be a, it's going to be a gnashing of teeth. Man, this is going to Be a horrifying moment as all of this is coming to light now as we speak.

D (117:25)

I want people to continue to have resources.

B (117:28)

Yeah.

D (117:28)

And that is you and you and you and you. And I know there are others, but you are, in my mind, leading the way. And I mean, you have your Daily Show.

B (117:40)

Yep. Thehighwire.com yeah. So not just one weekly. Every Thursday. Every Thursday.

D (117:45)

And now with the new documentary.

B (117:48)

Yeah, go ahead. An inconveniencestudy.com it's free. It swept the world.

D (117:54)

It's incredible.

B (117:55)

We watched it. It's really. And again, it's about, you know, it's about a world renowned scientist that compared vaccinated to unvaccinated kids. And what did he discover? He didn't publish it, which is part of the whole controversy around the film. He refused to publish it. After he did it, I was like, what are you doing? So I wore hidden cameras and went to dinner with him because I was so frustrated. People need to see this study. But the conclusions in his study at Henry Ford were that you're 2.5 times more likely to have a chronic disease if you're vaccinated compared to those that weren't vaccinated, six times more likely to have a neurodevelopmental disorder if you're vaccinated compared to those who were unvaccinated, and nearly six times more likely to have an autoimmune disease. And remember, and he didn't publish it. He didn't publish it. But we're not talking 20% or 60% increase. You're talking like a 500% increase risk. And the thing I point out in the film, and I really think everyone needs to see it because it's, it is very effective explaining all these things in a very simple way. The placebo trials that haven't been done, all of it. But if it was the only study of its kind, then we should still see it as a signal and say that we have a problem. But there's been five other smaller studies done by private groups, all comparing vaccinated to unvaccinated. And every single one of them is reproducing this science, which is the vaccinated are the sickest kids. And what I would say is this to any mother, any parent, this is horrifying. If you're pregnant right now, this is probably the scariest podcast you're ever going to watch. You got to do your research, you got to watch this film, then watch Vaxed.

D (119:36)

I was going to say watch Vaxxed, which is almost 10 years old now.

B (119:39)

Yeah, it's super. It's really important. But I asked this question in the film. Why is it that not a single regulatory agency in the world, not a government in the world, not a major medical institution anywhere on planet, planet Earth has been able to do a study that compared vaccinated individuals to completely unvaccinated individuals that shows us the vaccinated are healthier. The only ones ever done are showing that the unvaccinated are the healthiest. That they, you know, they ended this Henry Ford study. They do a 10 year outlook. Over the course of 10 years, what is the likelihood you will have an autoimmune disease or chronic disease? Amongst the vaccinated, 57% of the vaccinated will have a chronic disease by 10 years old. In the unvaccinated, only 17%. So then we have to then do some deep searching and one of the conversations I'm really going to start having is what does that mean? Does it mean if we stop vaccinating, then measles will come back, chickenpox will come back? But we have to ask ourselves, is that a horrible thing? Would I rather have my child have a rash for four days or 10 days? Or do I want them to have psoriasis their entire life or arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, or worse, autism their entire lives? I think we have traded childhood infectious illnesses which were mild with lifelong permanent disease. And I don't think that's a good trade off.

D (121:29)

Finally, I'll never forget the image that you put in my mind of going back to Adam and Eve and how God made us versus what we're doing now. Can you share that?

B (121:44)

Yeah. I started only talking about science for the first couple of years and then I was trying to fight to get an exemption from the vaccine program in Mississippi and I realized I'm in the Bible Belt and all the senators and everyone I'm talking to go to church. And so it's a talk that I give. But I'd say, you know, the Bible starts out with God created man in his own image. We all hear that, but we don't really take that in God. We're made in the image and likeness of God. Does God have flaws? Does God, you know, and then I say, then he creates Adam and Eve. And he says to them, hey, I've given you everything you have, all of the food, all the like, the plants, the herbs, the clean, crystal clear water and fresh air and dominion over all the animals. Everything's perfect. It's utopia. There's only one rule. Do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, lest you shall surely die. And my dad was a minister, which is why this, you know, I gave this talk and I still do. I remember saying to my dad, but don't I want to know the good and evil? Is that what you're teaching me? He's like, well this is a little different. This is about believing you have the understanding of right and wrong. Like it God's level, that you have gods like Tony Fauci has or Bill Gates, that there is no God. I know everything. I'm going to save the species that is the end of mankind if we allow ourselves to think like that. And so then I joke, I have an image when I do of the serpent wrapped around the tree and Adam and Eve, they're about to eat the apple. And as the story goes, God leaves Adam and Eve all alone in Eden and you know, comes back after some time and you know, he's looking for them and they come out and they're covered in fig leaves and being like, we're afraid we don't like how we look. I would say, imagine they came out wearing masks and he'd be like, what are you doing? Who told you you can't breathe the air? Who told you you weren't perfect? Who told you your body was ugly? Who told you, let's take it a step further, that you needed 72 vaccines, that you needed to be injected with viruses and bacteria and kidneys of monkeys and chopped up pieces of dead babies and mercury and formaldehyde and polysorbate 80. Who told you you needed that? To live in Eden, to live in this beautiful world that I've created. And I take the image, the slide of the snake around the tree and I flip it to the pharmacia, the sign of the snake wrapped around the pole. That's every hospital you go to. And I think we've got to really think about that because these people are going, they're not stopping, they're not stopping at Covid vaccines and forcing everyone to take it. They're starting to make self spreading vaccines that they can put in your vegetables or that you inject one person that affects everybody. They have lost their minds to the point where they're making man made viruses that they're going to inject into people that we will all catch in order to protect us from the viruses in God's world. And we don't see that that's a danger. And they're so confident in what they're doing. I mean, I'll say this. No matter what anyone thinks of what I've just said. Everyone knows we rushed the COVID vaccine onto the market. Everyone knows that. Some, like you, think that that vaccine is a disaster. Others are going to get their 10th booster. God love them, God help them, whatever that person is. But okay. But it's being rushed on the market. It was forcibly injected into every business that had, what was it, more than 100 employees and was said wanted to give it to everyone in the world. I will say this. I think COVID vaccine was a bad vaccine. But we have never seen a virus since the dawn of man. No virus. No matter how many times Bill Gates screams about it in the news. No virus has ever swept this world and wiped out our species. Never happened in all the time we've been here. But if we keep allowing pharma to rush new technologies onto the market with no placebo testing, no long term safety trials, and then we let the governments of the world forcibly force everyone to inject themselves with those products. You only need one time to get that wrong. One time there were triggers. Infertility in every woman alive on Earth. And you were settling in a dystopian movie we've watched several times. The last living girl that can get pregnant. These aren't mythological stories anymore. We are dancing literally with the devil. We are dancing with a hubris, with an ego and no idea the dangers we could do. What we just did with COVID could potentially have just wiped out our species. It won't. We're going to survive at this time. But for God's sakes, stop bowing to this religion of science. Stop allowing them to do this stuff. They should never. And I only have one thing that I fight for. I don't care if you want to take vaccines. Bring one over here. I'll inject it into you myself if you really want it. I'm all about freedom. It's a free country. But we cannot live in a world where these products are ever forced into us or we will not survive. Science is going to make mistake. It's done it before. It's done it with thalidomide. It's done it many, many times. Talcum powder, Vioxx, you name it. But these products, forced by governments into everybody. Eight billion people get one product that oops, didn't see the downstream effects. What if it skips a generation? It's all the babies born to them will never have children again. Or all born with some diabolical permanent illness. Anything's possible when you don't do proper science and anything's possible when we don't have choice. They should celebrate the anti vaxxers. Science, honestly, should celebrate everyone that decides to not vaccinate their kids in case they make a major mistake and say, we may need your bloodline someday. We may have pushed it too far. We're going to want to get back to who we were and what we were. We should celebrate those people that if they're taking a risk. Good on you. Good on you for taking the risk. Because we're risky as hell with the way we're doing this vaccine program.

D (128:22)

I have done thousands of interviews over the last 31 years. Thousands. None more important than this and never will. And you make me cry in my own show.

B (128:37)

Better not cut it out. It's really nice to see someone as badass as you are.

D (128:44)

It's the most important thing I will ever do. And you are doing God's work. Thank you for your courage because I know. I can't imagine what this has been like for you, but thank you.

B (128:55)

You're welcome.