Robin Saib (2:57)

Oh, man. Like, yeah, I give you a little. A little heads up, right? Like, I'm an entrepreneur 14 years now. And I started in real estate as a.

Justin Colby (3:07)

Did you say 40 years?

Robin Saib (3:09)

14. I turned 40 years. Everything else will be ridiculous. It's 14.

Justin Colby (3:13)

Yeah. Because I look at you and I'm like, you've. You're 40 years as an entrepreneur. How the hell old are you? Okay, 14.

Robin Saib (3:18)

That makes a whole lot of German jeans, right?

Justin Colby (3:21)

Like, that's right.

Robin Saib (3:21)

So, you know, I'm born and raised in Germany. I was raised in the family of entrepreneurs, so I didn't really have a choice than becoming one.

Justin Colby (3:29)

Right.

Robin Saib (3:29)

Because when you grow up with that, like, you're like, in this. Okay, you. There's so much upside, you see, like how you can structure your life when you make income wise, like, what you can do, the decisions you can make. So for me, it was never really okay. I just want to go take a W2 and do something. And, you know, I was always intrigued by real estate. I never did start as an investor. I started like on the, on the contractor side, services side. Right. Founded a couple of companies, sold a couple of those. Like two pretty well. The rest I just failed. Let's be honest about that. Right? Nobody talks ever about that. Every. Oh, yeah, I made all this excess. No, I failed a couple of those, which is totally fine. Right. And in 2018, I had a burnout. And then what happened after that? I sold my construction company and was like six months completely out of life and then started real estate investing and had a really good partner, friend and mentor. And we started flipping houses and flipped. Yeah. And our second year, 300. Right. And you're a house flipper. So you know, like what it means. Right. The process of house flipping is so heavily relying on you as the operator. And I was, I was leading the operations because obviously I was good at it. So we structured that. But, you know, like, end of 2019, I almost go burnout again. Like, I was feeling that, like when you were there. Like, I don't wish anybody that. But when you feel that you body is Alarming you that we don't sleep anymore and all that. Hey, you're on the wrong space. Take a little bit of time for yourself, right?

Justin Colby (4:58)

Right.

Robin Saib (4:59)

And this what it is. I went two months to Australia, came back, it was kite surfing there every day and all that. And told my partner, man, like, I'm out, right? I don't want that anymore. And, you know, like, he said, hey, wait, like, before we quit this, there's this dude coming from. From America talking about land flipping. And I said, what shall I do there? I've never been in America. I have no clue what's going on. And we talked about. It was Jack Bosch, and he's German too. Made one event in Germany. And you know how these guru events go, right? They tell you all that and how simple that is. And, you know, but I was, like, so intrigued because I. I thought by myself, when 10% of what he is telling me is the truth, right? Like, then I want to do it. Why? Because first of all, it checked my box of locational freedom. Does that make sense? I mean, everybody promised you financial freedom and all of that, and financial freedom is a really tough word, right? In my experience. But, like, this locational freedom, working where you want, right when you want that. That was pretty, like, what I said, okay, let's do it. Second of all, I was a European. I'd never been in America, but, like, what do we do? We watch American movies, right? So it's the. The land of dreams, right? Like, you could. You can get here from, like. How do you say that? Like, the guy that's. That's washing the dishes to become a millionaire. And I said, I want to experience that once in a lifetime. Let me grab that chance. Yeah, that was March 2020. What happened a month later? So we engaged in coaching and set up the companies, and then, like, Covid hit, right? And, bro, it was. It was rough because you sit down there, we couldn't even fly here. Open bank accounts, like. Like, you know, like really the basic stuff was not possible. There was an event scheduled for software intake and meet other people and like, to live and breathe that, right? Because I didn't know anybody. I had no network, nobody, right? So, man, the first year was really tough because what I needed to learn was business culture, right? And what I always tell all my American friends is, like, everybody's complaining about regulations and this and this. I said, dude, like, you've never done a deal in Europe right? Now, like, we're talking about a closing before that, right? Like, there was a closing you had. And that day works too, bro. We. Our closings are sometimes six to eight months. Like, you know, because the closing procedure is so complicated and. And hard. And, you know, it's a German engineer that let me. Let me. Let me keep it there. So know what happened? You know, we started doing this. Made them. Needed a year to do our first deal. I made $0 in profit because I didn't know when you have three Jacint lots that you don't write three contracts with your seller and don't write three contracts with your buyer. You know, you just do one. So I paid six times closing costs in California, which can pretty much hurt, right? Like, because they're expensive over there. And yeah, from there we took it, man. I pretty much early started specializing in buying portfolios because I didn't like the acquisitions game too much about this whole wholesale world, right? It's. It was line wholesaling that we were taught there. So we started buying lot packages. I bought. My first one was 144 lots in 24 counties in Florida. It was the first time I got in touch with was this concept of private money where I was like, literally fascinated by. Because in Europe, you go to a bank when you need money. You don't go to people. You don't go to your friends or family or even to strangers that give you money, right? Like that. You can do that here. That was like, for me, like the Holy Grail. Wow. Suddenly it's like you can do unlimited things, right? You. And, you know, like, when I did that deal, I was like, man, like, you're really in the right. On the right path. Because it's not only private money. It's not only the deals. It's also you can structure everything in any way you want if everybody agrees on that. Like, there is almost no regulations on that. And today, in 2025, it's almost 1300 deals later with like around $12 million in capital raised. I think we have done every land deal from 3,000 to $7 million, everything in between. And yeah, let's talk about a deal.

Justin Colby (9:12)

Like, as you're talking about this, I was thinking my team reviewed with me yesterday, so there's one house, basically three lots. I want to say it was in Birmingham, Alabama. It's a neighborhood. So they're basically infill lots. Right now it's not a neighborhood in, you would think, like, Texas, right, where it's like a bunch of, you know, KB Homes. You know, there's 200, but it's still a neighborhood. It's not rural. Yeah. How did someone like you structure this? Because I believe it's more of a land play than it is that the. There's one property on one lot and then there's three other connecting lots. So basically it's either three or four lots total with only one house on it. How would someone like you approach that deal?

Robin Saib (9:52)

Yeah, it's a good question. So we work a lot with. With. With household sailors or. And house flippers. Because, you know, the underwriting process in land is something completely different. Right. And we have valuated probably 35,40,000 also in the past five years and got pretty good at doing this. So I always want to see a house like this in a constellation, which is pretty common. Right. Like that somebody bought multiple lots and had the expectation, I built like a couple of rental properties and then life happened or. Or whatever. But what I would do is I would take the house isolated because in a subdivision, you know, people don't pay necessarily for acreage. They pay for a place like a spot where house is built on. So you isolate that and sell it as a house. Because you can't add as much value probably through the three lots to that house as when you would retail them. Right. Now, depending on the neighborhood, depending on what's the demand in the market. Right. This is what you need to understand. Are people buying those types of lots, Right. Like, or would they want the house? Right. This. I mean, we live in 20, 25. There's data about everything, right? Oh, yeah. So there could be like, for example, working with us, like, sending it in. Right. Like, people do that all the time when they're. You don't know, because this evaluation process is different from your house process too. And then it's just like really looking at the data. Like, do we take it down, isolate the house and sell the three lots single wise? Do we do like, the house with one lot because that's what people want there. Do we do two. Two lots or whatever it is, Right. It's. It's pretty much it. But. But I would always say, like, when you run in an issue like that, have a land investor on your site that you know. Right. Or that you meet somewhere, like there's a bunch us. Meanwhile, that helps a little bit. Navigating the land portion of that. Of that site. Right? Yeah.

Justin Colby (11:49)

The home itself. I'll tell you the exact numbers. The seller wants 50 grand.

Robin Saib (11:55)

Yeah.

Justin Colby (11:57)

Maybe the home is a $50,000 home. Right. And it's on an acre lot. Right. And so that's why I Say, like, and then there's two or three connected acre lots alongside of that.

Robin Saib (12:07)

So it's four acre total. I.

Justin Colby (12:09)

It's three or four, but let's just say three. Let's just call. Yeah, right now it's inherited from his sister. He just, he doesn't want anything to do with it. Right? So. But like, the home is not like one of these homes that you would normally just like, there's not much value in the home. I mean, that's why I'm saying, like, yeah, it's livable. It is livable. Not for you and me and most of the listeners here, but it is livable, right? Yeah. So that's where I go. Okay. Do you. Do you almost wholesale if you could, at 50 grand? Because otherwise he's like, I'm just gonna throw a tenant in the home, and I don't really need to deal with this. I just figured if, if you get to a number now, he's not off, right? Like, I mean, I do believe probably the land value is probably about 50 grand. So would you consider just wholesaling that sector and then you, you. You know what I mean? Do you buy it and then you sell off the 50 grand home and then, because it's off market, and then you have these two other acre lots that. Where would you find a buyer for those acre lots? Because it's not a big development area, right? We're talking about Birmingham, Alabama. Like, there's not like a big developer or a lot of spec homes in the area, but I mean, there's home.

Robin Saib (13:28)

So here's my, here's my take on that, right? Well, you can buy that house for 50 grand and can wholesale that house for 50 grand and do that. And what you do in the process of closing it, split of the two lots because they will have value, right? And when you combine, can you can control these two lots and the house for 50 grand? Then why don't you do it while you, while you close that, you say, okay, we resurvey that cost you probably a thousand bucks, right? Just get three parcels and then make probably. I don't know what the lots are worth, but let's say they're like 15, 20 grand each, right? So now suddenly you have like $40,000 more in equity in that deal that you control, right? Sit on those slots. And then, I mean, the dispo strategy on lots like this is pretty much like you can't sell them really with a realtor other than there's builders in the area that buy, right? Like realtors I mean, run the math, right? Like it's $20,000 a lot, right? Even if you give them 10%, right. It's $2,000. They're going to split that with the buyer's agents. It's $1,000. They're going to give like 40% to their broker. So they make $600. Totally. Right. But you know, like there's, there's different ways of doing that. First of all, you can go on Facebook Marketplace listed there and then you listed maybe with owner financing terms, right? And you know, like in land, a typical interest rate is 15%, right? Like so. And then make a 10 year loan with somebody, let them do like a two, $3,000 down payment or $5,000 down payment. Like 20% is, you know, like something substantial in that class. Don't give them it for 99 and 200amonth. No, do something like $5,000. A person that's buying a $20,000 lot that gives you four or $5,000 that's committed in their world, that's a lot of money for them, right? That's one thing. Facebook Marketplace would be a place like Craigslist, like something like that. Like, you know, because people are looking for affordable living right now. I mean, I'm not so much in the real estate world, but of course we are affected by the real estate world and by the demand for housing. And when you look what happened two years ago, like I would say the bread and butter of every land investor up to 2023 was the slots between 40 and $100,000. So lots where people built a 5, 6, $800,000 house. Now your interest rates rise, right? Like, so what happens? The people that could afford that house in 2022 can't afford it in 2023 suddenly anymore.

Justin Colby (16:00)

That's right.

Robin Saib (16:01)

So for us from land investors perspective, like, you know, nobody's picking them up, but these people need to live somewhere. So what they do is they buy a $30,000 lot, put a mobile home and trailer or, or like a cheap build on it, right. And sit out there. I mean, that's why I learned in America, right? The Americans move with the economy, right? Like, so if I economy is bad, we just like downsize, right? It goes better, we, we upgrade again, right. And I would say when that's a budget neighborhood, there's right now some potential that you move it because people are looking for it.

Justin Colby (16:33)

Yeah, that's fun. So do you take down most of it? I know you've raised a bunch of capital and things of that nature. Talk to us about how your strategy right now. Are you buying most of your stuff? Are you just straight up contracting it and finding the buyer? What is your model?

Robin Saib (16:47)

My personal model is we take it down for one reason. We buy them. First of all, in the last three years, market turnaround times in land have tripled. Right? This is what we're seeing. Our main businesses, we dispo for other land investors and people that sit on lock. Right. This is what became our forte through this portfolio purchases. We got really good at this ball.

Justin Colby (17:10)

Yeah.

Robin Saib (17:10)

So. And what, what I was seeing when you handle like, because everybody's in, in this industry, I think in the real estate is so much like, hey, let's focus on getting the contract. But in land instead, the real work starts. Because now, first of all, you need to find out what's going on with this house. We don't have inspectors that you can send out there for 400 bucks, they'll write you an inspection report and tell you that's wrong. No, you need to like, get somebody out there that does that job for you when you do it virtually. Right? And then the marketing institute, don't just call your realtor buddy and he lists it for you. Make some nice pictures and some touch ups. No, you need to find those people and you need to find your channel. So. And a lot of people, like in our industry were struggling with that. This is why disco became our thing. The people came to us because we're doing a bunch of deals and they were like, hey, can you help me selling my deal? So what was your question again?

Justin Colby (18:04)

Sorry, Just about you funding and raising capital and things of that nature.

Robin Saib (18:08)

Yeah. No, so. And now here comes the thing I realized in 2022, while I was just doing wholesale, like flipping contracts, and then in 2023 became even worse. We lost around 50, 60% of the transaction on the closing table for two reasons. First of all, there was a condition issue with the property, Right. Second of all, there was title issues. So when you now have your $20,000 lot, right, and you need to pay like $10,000 for probate and whatever it is, suddenly your case doesn't become economical anymore. In your case, it could make sense because you probably need to go through probate or whatever it is. Like anyway, when the sister and the brother and whatever you told me there, right? So you can cover up this cost. But like we said. Okay, I want to be clear. When I do all the work in this book and we don't turn lots around in like 30 days, like a house, we turn lots around in 90 days, 180 days, sometimes 270 days, right. And then you, you have the seller conversations and then you go to the closing table and suddenly like anybody goes wild, right? It's the seller backing out, the buyer not showing up, the realtor going on, the title company. I've seen all of those.

Justin Colby (19:18)

Right, totally. Yeah. No, that's all part of it. So what, what's your. Where do you find lots? Where are you targeting lots? And then where are you targeting buyers?

Robin Saib (19:29)

Oh, yeah, Interesting question. So the thing is, there's today, like a couple of players in this market that put really well data together, right. Like, you know, in land, the great thing is there's probably 15 business models. How you can play that or 20, probably it's even more. Because in the nuances you can vary, right? We specialize pretty much on rural acreage, right? And high value info. Lots like waterfront great subdivisions, like where you have like $1 million plus homes. Our acquisition is pretty simple. We do a lot with our partners and we do it for our partners as a service too. And like, my approach on that is like an omnichannel approach, right? We always test markets with text messages. So we pull data, we look for certain, like, average days on markets, average values and all that. And yeah, man, then. Then it's text messaging or cold calling to make a market, research a little, like, what works, what doesn't work, and then go deeper with direct mail and, you know, Facebook advertising. Sometimes I did TV advertisings in my, my thing. I did radio advertising. I was the first guy from Germany in my family that was on American tv. Can you believe that? Right? Yeah. They were like, okay, dude, you're crazy. Like, I think my parents still think that I'm doing like something criminal over here, but they don't get it really. Right. But no, that's. That's it. So it's like omnichannel marketing and then it's like this classical, like, acquisition scheme. Like you have lead managers and acquisition managers and that close the deal, get the contract and. Yeah.

Justin Colby (21:07)

What. So rural, you know, acreage. Most people in my world pass on it, right? And this is something you look for. What makes this. Like, if I, like. Because I do a decent amount of marketing, if I get a, you know, 10 acres in whatever city that's more rural, what makes it even, like, what is the baseline thought? Does this. Is this, you know, valuable? Is there something here? What's the first two things? Like, the fundamental. Because you don't think you Would want, you know, 200 acres with no roads. You're just in the middle of just like rolling hills. Like, what. What does that do for you? I would assume. But what are the fundamental introduct, like entry level thoughts? You want to go through the first three questions. Does it have this? Does it have this? Does it have the. Great. Now we at least know there's something here.

Robin Saib (21:58)

Yeah. The most important thing is road access. Road access. Road access. Road access. And when you see a road on Google maps, that doesn't necessarily mean there is a road. This is what I learned the hard way, right? Like, I, I just like closed all the deal. We were in that for three years. There was a road on the maps. It had a name on Google. We bought it, we sold it, took it back. Because the guy who was an owner, financing was 200,000 in Florida, he couldn't deal because he found out there is no easement. And he said, I can't deal with that. I don't want to do it. What can we do? So we made a deal. I took it back. Luckily the title company didn't get it too. So like, I had an insurance claim against them because, like, not having an Eastman is an exception on the title policy, right? So like, and then it was like a three year process now to go that and I just signed all the paperwork last Friday. We got the Eastman from the surrounding neighbor that was owning the 44,800 acres that just like, was like stretching us like along the way. But so road access is the first, most important thing. The second is have a look at like, if you can, like flood zone. Wetlands. Wetlands, worse than flood zones, right. Is it like completely wet or completely like in a, like wet wetlands are probably the bigger problem. And slope, These are the three things. So when you can get any kind of a topo map, like just see how much slope does it have when this three boxes check. And I think, you know, I work a lot with, with people in the, in the real estate space that miss out on this opportunity. This, right, because you are in touch with the seller, you already make it in. Said, you know what, I have this lot over here in Alabama, like in, in what's north of you. I did a deal there in Colum County, Dover City, right? Like, it's a little north of burning land. Hey, can you just like take that from me too? Right? And now you, you, you stop because you don't know how, right? Because it's so different. And I mean, one of the things you can do from there Is go to our portal, right? Like the landpilot.com just we have a free com service. Like you can sign up for free and you can run three comms reports for free. And after that, it's like 12, 12 bucks a comp report and my team runs them. So you get my team's knowledge on your evaluation and can then negotiate. Was like, hey, this is what you should offer. This is how you can do certified, like, whatever. And then you take it from there. And when you have a contract, then bring it to your realtor, right? Bring. Throw it up on Facebook marketplace. Like, I don't know how you really do disposition on the house sites, but use this channel to use there too, right? Like, get it in there. Because people are looking for rural acreage, right? For two reasons. You have a lot of people that are getting out of the city, right, that want to go a little bit off grid, that just like, don't like the noise. They don't like to be around people. They want some space and not live like in American suburbia anymore. Right? You have people that just want a place to hang out, pull their RV on the weekend, hang out with their kids, and, you know, go a little bit of hunting, ATVing and riding dirt bikes and whatever you can do. You have people that, you know, owner, do timber and agriculture. The interesting thing about this rural acreage deals is they're most of the time cash. Right? Because we see a lot of people packing money in land right now too.

Justin Colby (25:30)

Yeah, right?

Robin Saib (25:30)

Because it's like a little bit like the gold of the. Of the. Of the. Of the real estate market, right? Like it's like the safe haven where people feel okay, they don't make more of it. So let me. Let me go in there, right? And yeah, so. And even, like, you know, like I said, you can come to us. We take those deals, we help you to contract them, we help you to evaluate them. And when they're there, you can assign them to us or we partner on the deal and stay in a jv, right? Because yeah, you can just like leverage those leads. Does that make sense? This is what it is. I think there's a lot of potential you can. You can bring in with your marketing. You do, right? Where.

Justin Colby (26:06)

Where do people find you, Robin?

Robin Saib (26:08)

The landpilot.com so website. That's my company. And this is where we. Yeah, really, like, I'm big in collaboration, right. My whole company is built on that.

Justin Colby (26:17)

And so if it's good enough for me, what I tell you, all my listeners, if it's good enough for me to work something out with Robin is damn sure good enough for you guys. That is for. Because if you're out here listening and you're coming across opportunities and just don't know what to do with them, it doesn't fit your fix and flip or wholesale or buy and hold and you have this seller, it's like, oh, I got 20 acres. And you're like, I don't know what to do with this. Well, then hit up Robin and team, right? I mean, you're willing to just take the conversation with the landowner, aren't you? Like, if I just said, hey, Robin,

Robin Saib (26:46)

we can, we can, we can do that. And they can even do it by themselves. Like, listen, here's my take on that. Like, the guys who are in real estate are much sharper, better and crazier than we land investors. Right? Like, because you really, you're in the hardest competitive, competitive market you can be. I don't know, I read somewhere there is almost a million house flippers in the US and the wholesalers, that's like probably a percent of the population, like being in the same pot. Right. We land, we're like, much less. But like, you know, like, you are so sharp on negotiating. Like, what I can give you and your community is like just the right tools because it's just a flip in the conversation to understand how you drive it and what you are lacking in your conversation. You're not confident because you don't have the evaluation. And we give that to you. Like, we give that to you. Like, you can just like take it from landpilot.com landpilot.com we give you the right contract. Our contracts are a little bit different. Right. Like, but it's probably for you a 10, 15 minutes learning experience to leverage a couple of 10 or $100,000 extra a year in your business through not missing out on these opportunities. And everybody's talking return on ad spend, right?

Justin Colby (28:01)

Yeah.

Robin Saib (28:01)

When you can suddenly have, from, let's do you do 30 deals and from that 30 deals is one or two people that give you an extra like 50, 60, $80,000. Like, how does that shift your business? And we do all the work for you when you work with us. Right. But we can also give you the hint how you can do it by yourself. We get the evaluation from us because I think this is how you truly leverage that. Right.

Justin Colby (28:24)

There's no doubt. And so what's on your radar moving forward? I know you got some really cool stuff coming up and I want to Talk about that kind of stuff.

Robin Saib (28:32)

Yeah, man. So, so what we do is first of all, we're building capital SEC right now, right. That's like in the mess that we do, we take, we take down like I think In September we're 22 deals and in October it's around like 30, as it looks like 35. And we're scaling right now, so we're building capital stack. And we're always looking for people that are interested in being a money investor in our game. Right. Like with good interest rates, we have more passive versions, more active versions. Right. Like how you can do that.

Justin Colby (29:01)

Sure.

Robin Saib (29:02)

I think for our investors, what they really love is that, you know, it's like uncomplicated. It's an underwriting process, needs to fit in land. Right. When you do that, well, when you make a good decision about what you purchased, you will sell it. It's just a matter of time until you get paid back. And we don't rely on crews like, you know, like construction crews have this, this one word that I really don't like. It's called tomorrow. Like when you ask them, when are you finished Today?

Justin Colby (29:29)

Tomorrow. Yeah.

Robin Saib (29:31)

They never define when tomorrow is, right in the week, in a day, in a year, in a lifetime. And we don't have that. Right. We do a problem. We're underwriting. So that's, that's what our people, people really like it. Second, secondly, we also give opportunity for household sales that want to, you know, like a bunch of people is what we realize is they, they have a lead manager that they, A good lead manager, good acquisition manager. But they're, you know, they, they don't have like too much work for them with a full done for you land business model. So imagine like you can really have the whole process from data pulling and market selection to a property is sold when that is solved for you. And the only thing you do with your team is doing the seller conversations, doing this negotiation. This is what we do. And because I think, you know, a lot of the people in our industry don't start in the industry to build massive businesses like you did and I did. There's not many people who want to run teams with 50, 20, 30 people, you know, staff, overhead and all that. What goes, goes with it. But you know, there's a bunch of people who start this to make 2, 300 grand a year to get out of the W2. Right. And totally this is like what I really want to serve because I believe in real estate, I believe in land. And you know, it's just about making those tools accessible for everybody. Because people get confused, right?

Justin Colby (31:03)

Like, I think it's one thing for people to have tools, but it's another thing for you to help them utilize them, you know? And so if there's a world where you can do that, dude, everyone should be having these tools. Everybody.

Robin Saib (31:17)

This is what it is. Yeah. This is what we do. Like, we explain how to use the tools in, like, an ecosystem. That makes sense, right? Like, there is so much. I mean, you know that too. There's every day new software, new service and use, something popping up, right? And then you are there, like, okay, let me try to take over this starship here and, like, navigate that. Like, how does it work? Right? And then you need, like, one tool for data. Your selection. I want to. For market selection. I want to, like, then you have AI and all that. And we build that really together to make it comprehensive that people can just like, sit themselves in the driver's seat and, you know, not build another job. Love that.

Justin Colby (31:55)

Love that. Well, Robin, SAE, I appreciate the Land Pilot.com. land Pilot.com is a website. Where else should people find you? What website besides Land Pilot? If anything, where else can people communicate with you, man?

Robin Saib (32:12)

It's Facebook, right? Like, I, I'm. I hang out on Facebook all day. Facebook messenger, right? It's. It's where you find me. We have a Facebook group too, right? Facebook group is where you can find us. And yeah, man, like, this is where I am and. Or just write me an email. Can I say that here? Just write. Yeah, Robin. The landpilot.com. yeah, we. We. I get a bunch of emails every day, but I'm really obsessed with my email to get on that, right?

Justin Colby (32:43)

Say your email one more time, brother.

Robin Saib (32:45)

It's Robin. As the landpilot dot com.

Justin Colby (32:49)

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