In today’s episode we talk about the viral backlash sparked by Seth Gruber’s appearance on Mark Driscoll’s podcast after he argued that women should not normatively be leading the bloody charge against abortion. The clip exploded online, drawing outrage from Christian feminists while many others quietly admitted he might be right. Seth unpacks the controversy, explaining why women stepping into the fight against evil is often an indictment on silent and apathetic men. While it’s good when families and mothers defend the unborn, Scripture raises an uncomfortable question: where are the men God called to lead? The conversation digs into what the Bible actually says about male leadership, why women historically entered politics during the first wave of feminism, and how the church’s failure created the very dynamic we see today in the pro-life movement. If the men of the church refuse to stand up, someone will fill the vacuum.

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