In today’s episode, we talk about whether gay marriage is truly harmless—or whether Obergefell v. Hodges set in motion consequences far darker than Americans were promised. Seth Gruber is joined by Katy Faust, founder and president of Them Before Us, to trace today’s sexual chaos back to its political source. From surrogacy scandals to the commodification of children, Katy explains why the disturbing headlines we see are not isolated incidents—but the predictable fruit of a moral framework that redefined marriage. She also shares about the Greater Than Campaign, a bold coalition confronting legalized gay marriage at its root rather than merely reacting to its outcomes. If we want to end cultural decay, we must confront where it began. This conversation goes straight to the source.

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