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The Simplicity Parenting Podcast with Kim John Payne
Hosted by Kim John Payne/Center for Social Sustainability · EN
Weekly insights on children and parenting from Simplicity Parenting author Kim John Payne.
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#325: Children & Mortality
1w ago00:13:20Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Kim John Payne addresses one of the more difficult themes parents face: a child's growing awareness of life and death. He explains that very young children experience only a little separation between themselves and the world, but as consciousness shifts and they move into the big-child world, questions about mortality naturally arise. This awakening often appears in play, and sometimes in statements that shock parents to the core, like "I wish I was dead" or "I wish I'd never been born." Kim is clear that such statements must always be taken seriously. A parent should pause and consider whether to consult a family doctor or seek professional help, checking carefully for any self-harm ideation. Alongside that essential vigilance, he offers another lens: these comments are very often a call for connection. A child sensing their separateness from the world may be expressing a longing to feel close again, and death represents the ultimate disconnection in their developing understanding. Kim describes this as an age of mortality consciousness that peaks around eight, nine, or ten (what Carl Jung called the age of orphan fantasy), with smaller moments around three to four and six to seven. Rather than reacting in ways that invite more dramatic statements, Kim suggests coming alongside a child quietly: an "I remember when..." story, a cozy hug, a shared board game, or simply becoming "a big heart with ears" and listening. Drawing on his years as a school counselor, he notes how often such statements, once met with connection, reveal what's really going on, whether a falling-out with friends or a deeper feeling of loneliness. 🏠 Simple Family Living 📑 Simplicity Parenting Starter Kit 📲 Request a Consultation with Kim John Payne
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#324: The Three Steps To Small, Imaginative & Light Transitions
2w ago00:12:22Tap to summarizeCorrection: the Care Professionals Seminar dates in this episode are Saturday and Sunday, August 1st and 2nd, 2026 (not July). Registration closes July 31st: Click here to register In this episode, Kim John Payne returns to his well-known transition tool, "your world, my world, our world," and examines it through a fresh lens based on parent feedback. The strategy involves first connecting with a child's world by sitting beside them for a few seconds, then briefly sharing what you're about to do (my world), then making the transition together (our world). Kim's new emphasis is on three qualities that make this tool far more effective: making it small, pictorial, and light-hearted. First, make it small. Rather than announcing the big transition ("we're getting in the car in a minute"), which has children metaphorically chaining themselves to the handrail, offer a tiny step: "I'm just going to set out your froggy boots." Second, make it pictorial. Adding imaginative detail ("I wonder if the froggy boots still fit, or maybe the red ones now that you're bigger") lifts the moment into a child's imagination, activating the limbic system and the empathy brain. Kim describes this as bringing one imagination alongside another, like two canoes coming together, rather than issuing a command. Third, make it light. A touch of levity in your voice, what Kim calls the "let's play voice," signals that something pleasant is about to happen together. When we use that voice, our eyes soften, our shoulders round, and our whole body language shifts from stiff command mode to playful invitation. Few children can resist a let's play voice. These three qualities keep the transition clear and directional while onboarding children so they're far more likely to move along willingly. Click here to register for the Emotional Self-Regulation to Support Parents Care Professionals Seminar
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#320: The Space Between Us Is Alive... Trust It
Jul 100:10:24Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Kim John Payne reflects on something elusive but essential: the space between parent and child. He describes this space as being alive, not a void to be filled with words or busyness, but a conduit through which care, love, and presence flow. When we're in sync with a child, there's a current moving between us, sometimes calm and easy, sometimes turbulent, but always communicating something. Kim explains that children's mirror neurons are constantly registering what we do and feel, even when nothing visible is happening. A child watching us wash dishes is already inwardly participating. Mirror neuron clusters around the emotional centers of the brain mean our sadness, joy, or calm radiates outward and is received through this space. If we can relax into this wordless flow rather than filling every moment with activity or instruction, life begins to simplify. Kim encourages parents to recover spaces of "just being," starting with car rides without devices. When a child says "I'm bored," we can simply be present with quiet care rather than rushing to fix it. The more we trust this space, the more children learn to decompress and stop filling silence with noise. Modern society sends an unspoken message that we should always be talking, always doing. But trusting that the space between us is alive is healthy for our nervous systems, healthy for our children's nervous systems, and most of all, healthy for our connection.
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#316: Easing Tension Around Homework & Music Practice
Jun 300:12:54Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Kim John Payne addresses the daily challenge of getting children to do difficult but regular tasks like music practice and homework. He introduces the "grit sandwich" principle: soft on both ends with firmness in the middle. The approach begins with connection before direction, moving close to a child's world for a few minutes through quiet play, watching their project, or simply sitting beside them. This connection doesn't need to be wildly exuberant or time consuming since you'll soon be transitioning to the harder task. The middle layer is the practice or homework itself, which Kim strongly recommends making time-based rather than content-based. For younger children, 10 to 15 minutes is plenty. For tweens and teens, 45 minutes to an hour maximum, followed by a real break. This prevents both defeat from overwhelm and obsessive late-night homework sessions. During instrument practice, parents can accompany children by doing their own quiet work nearby: journaling, mending, craft projects. Kim cautions against phones or laptops, which cause parents to "excarnate" from a child's awareness. For teenagers doing longer homework, parents can touch in and touch out periodically, picking up a project for a minute before moving on. The final layer is another connection point: an "I remember when" story, reading from a chapter book together, baking, playing catch, or simply hanging out with a pet. Done ritualistically, this three-part structure helps shift hard things into opportunities to draw closer together.
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#312: Balancing a Child's Needs and the Family's Needs
May 600:17:26Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Kim John Payne addresses a common point of derailment in family life: when a child's impulses and desires collide with the needs of the larger family. He explains that children, especially young ones, lack the prefrontal lobe brain development to naturally see the bigger picture. They cannot easily grasp that a sibling needs to get to soccer practice, a parent has emails to answer, or a baby is crying. Their impulse is simply "I want this now,” “I need your attention now." Kim offers a practical approach for these moments. First, recognize and name what the child wants so they feel heard. Second, give a time stamp, something concrete and visual for younger children (like "after I finish chopping these vegetables") or a specific number of minutes for older ones. Third, invite the child to be with you while you complete your task, perhaps with drawing supplies or beeswax to hold. Telling an "I remember when" story from the family's history reinforces the message that "us" matters alongside "me." When you do pause to help, Kim suggests breaking tasks into phases: you've finished your first part, now help them with their first part, then return to your next task. This models that not everything can be achieved in one go and that family life is a shared ecosystem where everyone's needs are balanced. 🏠 Simple Family Living 📑 Simplicity Parenting Starter Kit 📲 Request a Consultation with Kim John Payne
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#311: Am I a Governer or an Adviser
Apr 2700:10:13Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Kim John Payne offers a quick overview of the Soul of Discipline framework and then focuses on a common confusion in the early years: the difference between being a governor and being an advisor. He explains that during the first seven to nine years, parents serve as the governor of the family state, establishing values, rhythms, and how things are done. Later comes the gardener phase (around nine to twelve), where parents listen, coach, and then decide. Finally, in the teenage years, parents become guides, helping young people stay true to their direction rather than imposing opinions. Kim highlights how easily parents can drift from governor into advisor territory, often out of a desire to be polite or respectful. Phrases like "shall we all get into the car?" or "who would like to put their coat on?" unintentionally position the child as the decision-maker. While this may smooth things over in the moment, it creates confusion about who is leading the family and leaves children feeling less secure. Kim even suggests that some parents drift further into what he calls "butler" territory, where they feel they are serving the children rather than guiding them. He encourages parents to spend a week observing themselves from the “balcony", noticing whether they offer too many open-ended choices. Closed ended choices ("you may choose between toast and cereal") keep parents in the governor role, while open-ended questions ("what would you like for breakfast?") hand authority to the child. The goal is to fold children into the warm, safe structure of family leadership. 🍎 Care Professionals Seminar Registration 🏠 Simple Family Living 📑 Simplicity Parenting Starter Kit 📲 Request a Consultation with Kim John Payne
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#307: Interview with Laura Carlin: Part One - Decluttering with Love and Intention
Apr 100:14:10Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Kim John Payne welcomes longtime colleague and Simplicity Parenting coach Laura Carlin for the first of a four-part conversation on decluttering. Laura introduces what she calls "the decluttering secret": that how we go about decluttering (our energy, intentions, and self-talk) can be as important as what we choose to keep or let go of. She emphasizes that outer decluttering must be accompanied by inner work, shifting from fear and judgment toward curiosity and appreciation. Laura outlines four practices for creating and maintaining a clutter-free home: decluttering (choosing what to keep and release), organizing (designating where things belong), maintaining (developing the habit of putting things back), and preventing (stopping clutter from accumulating in the first place). She encourages parents to begin by clearing inner clutter, writing down all the thoughts occupying mental space, so they can approach the process from a place of clarity rather than overwhelm. Kim notes that younger children especially absorb a parent's inner state through their mirror neurons, making a peaceful approach to decluttering beneficial for the whole family. Laura also touches on common challenges like sentimental items, unwanted gifts, and navigating differences with a partner who prefers to keep more. 🏠 Simple Family Living 🍎 Care Professionals Seminar Interest List 📑 Simplicity Parenting Starter Kit 📲 Request a Consultation with Kim John Payne
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#303: Going on a News Cleanse
Mar 400:12:34Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Kim John Payne addresses how constant news exposure erodes our ability to be present with our children. He explains that modern news cycles, with autoplay, doom scrolling, and half-hourly updates, repeatedly trigger the amygdala even when we're hearing the same story again. Each repetition builds a micro emotional trauma and baseline anxiety that children absorb through a kind of emotional osmosis, sensing that part of our attention is elsewhere. Kim shares strategies that parents have found successful in reclaiming their presence. The first is appointing a "catastrophe buddy," someone trusted who will alert you if something truly significant happens, so you can let go of the fear of missing out. Others have switched from visual news to audio, or limited themselves to a single five-minute summary each morning. Some replace news-checking habits with soothing podcasts that bring relaxation or joy, which children also absorb. Kim encourages parents to consciously substitute news time with connection: telling "I remember when" stories, sitting with a teenager, or simply being present. He suggests a month-long cleanse, noting that most parents who try it never return to their previous level of consumption. The goal is to stop feeding attention to provocative content and instead invest that attention in the people right in front of us... and maybe a little bit of calm and love to ourselves. 🏠 Simple Family Living 📑 Simplicity Parenting Starter Kit 📲 Request a Consultation with Kim John Payne 📚 Simplicity Parenting Book Store
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#299: If Rhythms Need To Change
Feb 1100:09:17Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Kim John Payne explores how families can navigate changes in rhythms while still preserving the security that predictability provides. He explains that when a regular caregiver is unavailable for bath time or bedtime, previewing the change earlier in the day helps a child take it in and prepare. By letting a child know at breakfast or lunch what will be different that evening, parents give them time to adjust rather than springing a surprise at the last moment. Kim highlights the value of micro rhythms (the small "and then" steps that make up a routine) because when children know exactly how something goes, they can guide another caregiver through it with confidence. This sense of agency transforms the child from a passive participant into someone who feels ownership over their world. The same principle applies when handing routines to babysitters or grandparents: written steps and a child who knows the drill makes everyone feel more capable and reduces disruption. Kim encourages parents to invite children to show what comes next, letting them self-navigate through familiar sequences and take pride in their competence 🏠 Simple Family Living 📑 Simplicity Parenting Starter Kit 📲 Request a Consultation with Kim John Payne 📚 Simplicity Parenting Book Store
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#295: Kindling a Child's Competency
Jan 1500:09:45Tap to summarizeIn this episode, Kim John Payne explores how small, repeated household rituals build both motor skills and a sense of competency in children. He explains that micro rhythms (the little "hows" of daily life like setting the table, clearing dishes, or preparing for bath time) create more than just predictability and safety. When children perform these tasks in the same way over and over, they develop fine and gross motor skills while establishing neural pathways that support learning and coordination. Kim emphasizes that this repetition also builds proprioception, helping children understand where they are in space. Beyond the physical benefits, rhythmical home care gives children a profound sense of agency and accomplishment in a world where they have limited control. By doing these small tasks independently and successfully, children develop the confidence that comes from knowing "I can do this." Kim encourages parents to see these micro rhythms not as chores but as opportunities to kindle competency that will serve children throughout their lives. 📓Simplicity Parenting Family Life Care Professionals Seminar 🍎 Simplicity Parenting Coach Training 📑 Simplicity Parenting Starter Kit 📲 Request a Consultation with Kim John Payne
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