Abe & Erin Lichy On The Truth About Marriage, Ambition, & Life Behind The Reality TV Curtain

Summary

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The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show

Episode: Abe & Erin Lichy On The Truth About Marriage, Ambition, & Life Behind The Reality TV Curtain
Date: January 22, 2026
Hosts: Lauryn Bosstick & Michael Bosstick
Guests: Erin & Abe Lichy

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Episode Overview

This episode is a vibrant, no-holds-barred conversation with Erin & Abe Lichy, known for their appearances on the Real Housewives of New York and now hosts of their own podcast, "Come Together." Lauryn and Michael dive into all things marriage, entrepreneurship, parenting, and what really goes on behind the veil of reality TV. The episode is filled with humor, genuine reflection, candid admissions, and practical wisdom for couples in business and family life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life Behind Reality TV

• Jumping into Real Housewives

  • The Lichys share how quickly the decision to join Real Housewives came about.
    • "It would happen so fast, I don't even remember...the thought came up and within a month and a half, I had the offer in my hand." — Erin (09:04)
  • They discuss the difference between being authentic and “self-producing” for TV.
    • Self-producers are obvious over time, with performative behavior and inauthentic body language. (10:39–12:26)
    • "There's a disconnect between the smile and the eyes...over the course of a season, when you see the same performative shtick, it's like, okay, that can't be real." — Abe (11:52)

• Family on TV

  • Erin opened up about her family, including her father and her abortion, and brought her dad on the show before he passed away.
    • "He is such a natural superstar...he was just so cute." — Erin (13:11)
    • On the heaviness of watching those memories after his passing, especially while pregnant. (13:31–13:39)

2. Marriage Dynamics & Communication

• Bitcoin Incident & Honest Communication

  • The now-infamous “bitcoin sale” saga reappears as an example of honesty and conflict in marriage.
    • Erin describes her anger at Abe for selling Bitcoin without fully consulting her. (03:13)
    • Abe reflects on his old "avoidant" tendencies and spiritual growth.
      • "I went in, I was at the source of creation and I slayed the dragon, which was my ego." — Abe (05:22)
      • Therapy and a psychedelic healing retreat contributed to his personal change.
      • Erin credits therapy and gradual ongoing changes more than a singular “awakening.” (07:11)

• Attachment Styles

  • Discussion about avoidant, anxious, and attached styles. (08:17)

• Deciding to Show Real Conflict on TV

  • Erin reveals that the Bitcoin tension surfaced in real-time filming, leading to authentic, on-camera confrontation.
    • "It was coming out on camera. He was like, 'okay, we should talk about it then.'" — Erin (10:34)

3. Parenting & Systems

• Managing Four Kids & Business

  • Erin underscores the necessity of help, systems, and routines, highlighting her experience with hiring an assistant and household help.
    • "Getting more help...changed my life." — Erin (27:55)
  • Both couples note stigma around having help, especially directed at women. (29:27)
    • "On Bravo, they're like, 'I have 17 babysitters.'" — Erin (29:05)
  • Erin details her organization strategies:
    • Weekly bilingual printed schedules for the family (40:08)
    • Strict bedtime routines and meal planning (40:56)
      • "If they don't get enough sleep...they're not good kids at school, they're pissed off." — Erin (41:42)

• Older Kids Helping Out

  • Erin and Abe share a story of their daughter parenting the younger siblings.
    • "She changed him, fed him, changed his clothes, and now we're just hanging out." — Erin (44:13)
  • The concept of empowering children to be capable and independent is championed.
    • "Your job as a parent is to create an individual that one day doesn’t need you." — Lauren (47:06)

4. Truths About Marriage, Sex, and Partnership

• Sex & Maintaining Connection

  • Sex is discussed as foundational to relationship health; honesty about sexual needs and struggles is encouraged.
    • "Sex is a huge part of relationship...I feel like it's not even talked about enough." — Erin (56:37)
    • Sometimes you have to "schedule" it and be transactional when intimacy lags. (63:15)
      • "Be a little transactional about it. Be like, look, we haven't had sex in three weeks." — Abe (63:17)
    • Differences between love and like; keeping fun alive is vital. (58:06)

• Physical Changes, Cosmetic Surgeries

  • Honest talk about body image, postpartum changes, breast lifts, and the double standard about judging physical transformations. (64:24–65:16)
    • "Breastfeeding ruined my boobs...they're lying." — Erin (65:16)

• The Vasectomy Debate

  • Both men express reluctance; Abe muses about life force and “psychological leverage,” leading to joking debates about male and female responsibilities in contraception. (17:00–20:35)
    • "I don't want my life force neutered." — Abe (18:03)
    • "There’s a little leverage in knowing your equipment still works." — Abe (20:18)

5. Entrepreneurship: Reality vs. Instagram

• Perks and Pressures
  • Honest look at entrepreneurship: flexibility for family, but immense risk and stress.
    • "You actually end up being able to spend more time with your kids because...you're at home and still able to be productive." — Abe (33:08)
    • "Every single day I wake up with 100% certainty a problem in the company that I'm gonna have to do." — Lauren (36:34)
  • Entrepreneurship is romanticized on social, but the stress is constant and the responsibilities weigh on you, especially when employing others. (38:43)
    • "Entrepreneurship has been so glamorized and romanticized...I also think it's important to talk about the stuff behind the scenes." — Michael (38:43)

6. Business: Mezcal, Cookbook, and Women-Friendly Spirits

• Founding & Positioning of Mezcalum

  • Mezcalum stands out by being less smoky, aiming for a broader and more female-friendly audience.
    • "We deliberately designed it to be very light on the smoke because we wanted it to appeal to a wider demographic." — Abe (66:50)
    • Pure agave, no additives, wild species blend (68:07)
    • Mezcal offers fewer hangovers, lower glycemic index, and probiotic qualities (69:29–69:34)
  • Growth story: from a passion project to seeing Mezcalum expand to hundreds of restaurants in New York.

• Shabbat Cookbook & Family Traditions

  • Shabbat is the centerpiece of Erin's hosting and family life, inspiring her cookbook and their open-door philosophy.
    • "My house is a revolving door...I wanted to share easy hosting with people because it's so nice to be together." — Erin (42:43)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Honest Arguments
  "We all have had a partner that does something behind the other's back and then gets caught. Red hand." — Michael (03:44)

• On Avoidant Personality & Change
  "I went in, I was at the source of creation and I slayed the dragon, which was my ego." — Abe (05:22)

• On Reality TV Authenticity
  "There's no way to be that self producing and like that calculated without it coming out…because there's no way to be that self producing and like that calculated without it coming out." — Erin (11:09)

• On Marriage Power Dynamics
  "I feel like you lose a little bit of psychological leverage in the relationship...one of the things that men have is that...you can impregnate more people. Theoretically, little threats." — Abe (19:39)

• On Parenting & Independence
  "Your job as a parent is to create an individual that one day doesn’t need you." — Lauren (47:06)

• On Partnership in Business
  "If you both love working so much, you can make so much more of your time when you have a business together. There's so much upside." — Erin (21:44)

• On Entrepreneurship
  "Nobody talks about that side of it, Nobody sees that side of it. They just see what's on Instagram and Social media." — Abe (35:47)

• On Help at Home & Gender Norms
  "On Bravo, they're like, 'I have 17 babysitters.'" — Erin (29:05)
  "There's a gender dynamic here where I promise you, Abe and I never get questioned by our guy friends...if we have help. But everyone wants to ask the woman that." — Lauren (29:51)

• On Sex & Intimacy
  "Sex is a huge part of relationship...I feel like it's not even talked about enough." — Erin (56:37)
  "Couples stop having fun together. And that's a big problem." — Erin (58:01)

• On Mezcalum’s Unique Position
  "Our Mezcal is so good. You really don't need much. And I'm not even just saying that. Anyone who tries it says it." — Erin (66:39)

• Advice from Andy Cohen
  "He told me not to read the comments, and I said, it's good advice, but, you know, I'm going to read the comments." — Erin (71:52)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Housewife Application & Authenticity (01:11–10:39)
• Bitcoin Incident & Communication in Marriage (03:06–07:36)
• Attachment Styles & Avoidance (08:17–08:45)
• ‘Self-Producing’ on Reality TV (10:39–12:26)
• Family on TV & Emotional Moments (12:54–13:39)
• Vasectomies and Gender Debates (16:50–20:35)
• Marriage Power Dynamics & Partnership (20:35–23:39)
• Parenting Systems & Nanny Discussion (27:55–31:41)
• Entrepreneurship: Pros, Cons, and Stresses (33:08–38:43)
• Weekly Family System & Shabbat Traditions (40:08–42:43)
• Kids Empowering Each Other (44:11–46:47)
• Sex, Marriage & Communication (56:37–63:38)
• Mezcalum Brand Story & Cocktail Tips (66:26–71:08)
• Advice from Andy Cohen & Social Media Comments (71:52–72:12)

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Tone

Lighthearted, honest, and irreverently witty, with plenty of banter, thoughtful vulnerability, and practical, actionable insight.

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode delivers a heartfelt and hilarious behind-the-scenes look at marriage, parenting, ambition, and entrepreneurship from a couple who are in the trenches with young children and thriving businesses. The Lichys, with the Bossticks, don’t hold back from talking about money, sex, therapy, family, and what it’s like to be “real” both in front of and behind reality TV cameras. A must-listen for anyone interested in the intersection of partnership, business, and modern family life.

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Transcript

[Aaron Lichey]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[Lauren Everts]

She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Abe Lichey]

Fantastic.

[Lauren Everts]

And he's a serial entrepreneur, A very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostick are bringing you along for the ride.

[Michael Bostick]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Lauren Everts]

Welcome to the Skinny Confidential. Him and her.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

Aaron and Abe Lichey are on the show. This is a Him and her show. They are married. Aaron and Abe are serial entrepreneurs. They also are co founders of the Mezcal brand Mescalum. I'm a fan. I love their Mezcal. It's so delicious. You also may recognize them from Real Housewives of New York. And they actually have a podcast called Come Together that is on the Dear Media Network. Michael and I had such a fun time sitting down with them and just shooting the on everything from kids to a marriage to relationships to business. All the things. This episode is a mixed bag. On that note, let's welcome Aaron and Abe to the show.

[Lauren Everts]

This is the Skinny Confidential. Him and her.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

Do I have what it takes to be a housewife?

[Aaron Lichey]

Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

Really?

[Aaron Lichey]

I think so.

[Michael Bostick]

I do. What does it take?

[Aaron Lichey]

Honesty.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay.

[Aaron Lichey]

And fun. And being a real person.

[Michael Bostick]

But are the girls trips really hard.

[Aaron Lichey]

If someone's really mean to you? Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

But isn't it hard to be, like, with all these different dynamics, trapped in a hotel?

[Aaron Lichey]

Well, I love girls trips. Are you like a girls trip kind of girl?

[Michael Bostick]

I'm not.

[Aaron Lichey]

Okay. So I love that. Like, I. Like, I thr. Like, I thrive in a girls trip.

[Michael Bostick]

I just feel like I maybe have post traumatic stress from bachelorette parties that.

[Aaron Lichey]

I need to call. Yes. So many. Right. We had to go on so many of those.

[Michael Bostick]

I mean, Jesus, I was getting married every weekend.

[Aaron Lichey]

Every weekend? Yeah. It was like. I remember one year I had like 12 weddings and I'm like, this is sick.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. And it's even harder if you're a bridesmaid.

[Aaron Lichey]

I know.

[Michael Bostick]

And then they give you an ugly color to wear. Like, I can't wear mustard yellow.

[Aaron Lichey]

So bad. It's really bad.

[Michael Bostick]

Welcome to the show.

[Aaron Lichey]

Thanks for having me, guys.

[Michael Bostick]

We're so excited to do a him and her on him and Her.

[Aaron Lichey]

That'll be fun. Have you done this before?

[Lauren Everts]

Yes, we've done it.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

We've done it a couple times.

[Lauren Everts]

But I'm excited to do with you guys because you talk on a mic together and you entertain together, and sometimes you do a him and her and it's like two. You're, like, interviewing two different people on two. It should be two different shows. Does that make sense?

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

And it's fine. But it makes it hard because you're, like, almost having two different conversations in the same episode.

[Abe Lichey]

You were talking about the overlap of talking.

[Lauren Everts]

It's just like, some. Like, somebody's coming in to promote one thing and the other person is doing something else, and you have to, like, make it all work.

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah. Yeah. Does that make sense?

[Michael Bostick]

So let's get down to brass tacks. Where were you when you found out that Abe sold the bitcoin?

[Aaron Lichey]

Everyone wants to know about this.

[Abe Lichey]

We're still talking about.

[Aaron Lichey]

Sheena asked me this morning, too.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, Juicy.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, we're fascinated because I try, like, anything we do, I try to tell Lauren exactly, like, what our situation is because I worry, like, if something happens to me, like, I need you to know, like, what to do with our family. And she has no. Like, she has no interest.

[Michael Bostick]

No, I. Does not. True. I have interest. I just think I don't understand bitcoin. So I don't understand where it is.

[Aaron Lichey]

Which I wish I did, but I knew it was worth a lot, and I was mad.

[Michael Bostick]

So how'd you find out?

[Aaron Lichey]

We were in the car, and he told me, and I was like, you motherfucker.

[Lauren Everts]

But was it one of those things where you, like. Like, you were mad? Did you know about it before and then you.

[Aaron Lichey]

I knew we had them.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Abe Lichey]

You're asking if she knew that I had sold it before we talked about it?

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I was asking, was there an awareness that you even had it in the first place?

[Abe Lichey]

Oh, yeah.

[Aaron Lichey]

But, like, I could have also not known because it wasn't my thing, but I still was really pissed.

[Michael Bostick]

That moment was so relatable when you guys talked about this on the show, because we all have had a partner that does something behind the other's back and then gets caught. Red hand.

[Abe Lichey]

Well, I don't view it in quite those terms.

[Aaron Lichey]

Also, he wasn't caught. I wish he was caught.

[Abe Lichey]

I think it's more about. And I think. I guess happens with both genders, but I think men experience this more where you avoid saying things because you don't want your wife to be stressed out. This is not a justification. This is the mindset. And a lot of men experience this, and I've learned that you shouldn't do that. It's better to just be forthright and honest.

[Aaron Lichey]

But you're also an avoidant person.

[Abe Lichey]

Person. Well, I was an avoidant person.

[Aaron Lichey]

Okay, you have changed. You have changed. True.

[Abe Lichey]

You know, it's one of the things. It's like, not Malicious. It's not life altering. It's just things happen. When you started a business years ago and it ate all our money up, and it was a great learning experience, but from that, just a sequence of little small things. And at what point it's like more small things accumulate. It's like. Well, I can't say it now because then it's like all the other shit. And then it comes to a head. I'm glad it did because we've been really good about communicating.

[Michael Bostick]

And when you say you used to be an avoidant person, but you've changed, what does that mean?

[Abe Lichey]

Well, I had a spiritual awakening.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah, but it was before that. You're giving way too much credit to the spiritual awakening.

[Abe Lichey]

Fine. That's where I slay the dragon of the ego.

[Michael Bostick]

How did it begin?

[Aaron Lichey]

If you don't know, Abe is the biggest dork you will ever meet.

[Michael Bostick]

I love it, Abe. I love dorks.

[Aaron Lichey]

Slay the dragon.

[Michael Bostick]

When did you start figuring out you had an avoidant personality? And then what was the dragon that you slayed with your spiritual experience?

[Abe Lichey]

So I knew. I've always known I've been avoidant. But it really came to a head with this bitcoin thing, which was evocative of a. Just a general issue. And it's something we had talked about a lot. And Aaron helped me kind of bring to light. And that was a journey I was on. And then a couple of months ago, I was in a psychedelic healing retreat and I went. I went in. I was at the source of creation and I slayed the dragon, which was my ego.

[Lauren Everts]

Was this the first psychedelic experience you've had?

[Aaron Lichey]

Definitely not that this was the first.

[Abe Lichey]

Of this kind that I've ever had. It was a binary thing. Like, I've never experienced anything like this in my life. And I do psychedelics. I've done psychedelics for fun.

[Aaron Lichey]

Like, this was like a medical.

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah, for fun. This was like a spiritual guided. Yeah, inward thing. It was. It was. I can't even explain what was.

[Michael Bostick]

I need to know what. What it was, though.

[Abe Lichey]

I. They've asked that. I don't specify exactly, but it was a mix of psychedelics, MDMA and associative.

[Michael Bostick]

And did you have all these realizations when you were there?

[Abe Lichey]

No, I was after that, unpacked it. When I was in there, I met my ancestors. I sat at the source of creation. I existed not as ape, but as light and sound. And I traversed the universe. And then I created the multiverse and found the trickster figure, the archetype. Who were my ancestors who welcomed me home and told me to remember myself. And so then it was all the unpacking after that. I really kind of understood what I had experienced.

[Michael Bostick]

I would love to meet my ancestors. That sounds absolutely. You have to tell me off air. What this is.

[Aaron Lichey]

The guy that created it is also.

[Lauren Everts]

So, Aaron, from your perspective, when he comes back, did you notice a difference? I mean, you've known each other obviously forever.

[Abe Lichey]

Like, do you.

[Aaron Lichey]

I mean, he was. He was. He had been changing that. Like, he knew that he had an issue, and he'd been started to go to therapy and, like, was working on himself and all that. But this was, like the jolt that he. I think he really needed to, like, really let go of. I mean, I don't know if I don't. I'm not going to give you that much credit yet. We'll give it time, but that's fair. But you have changed pretty drastically from that.

[Michael Bostick]

So you don't feel you're avoidant anymore?

[Abe Lichey]

Not perfect? No. I still can be avoidant, I think. It's not a binary thing.

[Aaron Lichey]

It's just a gradient, but really way less. I mean, like, even yesterday, we were just talking real stuff. I mean, you guys know, you're business owners. Like, there are ups and downs. There are challenges that we face. I mean, all good, but we're facing a little thing at work right now. And, like, he sat down and we just, like, had this whole long talk about it. And I was like, you just came to me. I didn't ask you any questions. Like, you just fully opened up about the challenges that you are experiencing right now as your role in CEO. And I was like, do you realize that? Like, because that. That would have been something I feel like I would have had to ask you, like, what's going on with this? Or whatever.

[Lauren Everts]

So before he would have held it in.

[Michael Bostick]

What are the different archetypes? It's avoidant. What's the. What's the other ones? I want to know which one you are.

[Abe Lichey]

There's the. It depends on what school of thought. There's the avoidant. There's the detached avoidant.

[Aaron Lichey]

Right.

[Abe Lichey]

Attached avoidant or dependent avoidant. And then there's the anxious something, which is like anxious attachment style.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah, I think they're attachment styles, not archetypes.

[Abe Lichey]

I think attachment styles.

[Michael Bostick]

Right. When you guys decide that you're gonna go on reality television, you had three kids at the time, and you make that decision, what is the conversation like before you decide to accept the offer?

[Abe Lichey]

Are the terms Negotiable.

[Michael Bostick]

No. Meaning, like, what is the conversation between you two as a married couple to.

[Lauren Everts]

Decide to do it in the first place?

[Aaron Lichey]

It would happen so fast, I don't even remember.

[Abe Lichey]

It wasn't that deep or long of a conversation. It was like, there's an opportunity to have a journey and experience that could have a pecuniary benefit to us indirectly, and let's just see where it goes.

[Aaron Lichey]

And it was also like, the thought came up and within a month and a half, I had the offer in my hand, so it was like, barely any. It was just like, are we gonna do this or not?

[Michael Bostick]

And when you go on, do you decide? Is it a conscious decision that I'm just gonna be my honest, real self?

[Aaron Lichey]

Well, actually, going back to the bitcoin, it's like an interesting thing that happened. We had the, like, literally, we filmed the first episode with our kids at Serendipity, and they were, like, running around crazy and being whatever. And I got, like, really short with Abe and. And I was like, I don't know, I was being a bitch. And later that night, he was like, you know, you're being an asshole about mushrooms. I was like, you're being. He was like, you know, you're being an asshole to me on camera, but no one's gonna know why. Like, I know why, but nobody else is gonna know why. So you just look like a bitch. And he was like, if you want, we can talk about it. And that's how we decided to have the conversation about bitcoin. So, like, I don't think that we plan necessarily what we're gonna talk about. But, like, he noticed that I was still angry and had this resentment because it was. We were going through it in real time and that was when we made the decision to, like. So I think. I think what. What if you're on a reality show? You kind of just have to roll with it, you know, you can have conversations about like, okay, we're going to talk about this, or we're not going to talk about something, but, like, you kind of just have to let it flow. And that's what happened that day where I was clearly still angry. And he was like, okay, we should talk about it then, because you're. It's coming out on camera.

[Michael Bostick]

What's a tall tale sign of someone that you can tell is producing themselves or self producing?

[Aaron Lichey]

I think it's so obvious.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

Tell me how.

[Michael Bostick]

Because I. Why can't I, like, see that I'm such.

[Aaron Lichey]

Did you notice anyone self producing on.

[Michael Bostick]

Our show, to be honest with you.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

Now that you say that I could.

[Michael Bostick]

Look back on moments, but while I'm watching it, no. And I don't know if I'm just. I need to pay attention.

[Lauren Everts]

So an active choice by a lot of the audiences that watch these shows. Right?

[Michael Bostick]

I don't want to know.

[Lauren Everts]

You want to believe that this is 100%.

[Michael Bostick]

You know what I mean?

[Aaron Lichey]

I know what you mean. I think that eventually it comes out. So even if you don't see it in real time or you're not noticing it while you're watching, like, eventually it just comes out. Or like there's like a blogger that talks about it or whatever it is. Like it just does. Because there's no way to be that self producing and like that calculated without it coming out. On a reality show that's actually real.

[Michael Bostick]

Without giving us like someone specific, like, what's it, what's a sign of it.

[Aaron Lichey]

When Just tell us what their name. There's like people behind the scenes being like, let's do this, let's do that. Like you should. I told you not to do this. I told you not to do that. It's like, you don't get to tell me what to do when we're on.

[Michael Bostick]

A show like that. So they plan what they're gonna do for the camera. Is that what that means?

[Abe Lichey]

I think from my perspective, and I'm somewhat of an audience observer because I'm not a cast member, like, I'm on it a little bit, but observing, I think it's a combination of that. And I think you can look at the body language, you can see there's a disconnect between the smile in the eyes, little things like that that I think the audience doesn't even realize that they're picking up on. And over the course of a season or two seasons, when you see the same performative shtick, it's like, okay, that can't be real. And then, you know, they're planning behind the scenes. I don't know, but I'm sure that that happens.

[Aaron Lichey]

I think it's also like a personality type that people start to catch on to after a while. You know, it's like that performative, you know, like over the top. And then it's like after a while you're like, what do they do? Like, this is clearly for the show. Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

I think that you represent New York really well. Like, when I watched your show, I felt like I was getting a look at the real New York through you. Does that make sense?

[Aaron Lichey]

I love You. That's all I ever talk about. I'm like, I'm from New York.

[Michael Bostick]

No, you're not. I. I loved that. And I also loved how you opened up about your dad. You opened up about. Up about your abortion. You were so honest. And I think that that resonates with the audience. When you decided to bring your dad on the show, was he excited about it?

[Aaron Lichey]

Oh, my God, he loved. He is such a natural superstar. He was such a natural superstar. So, like, he was just so cute.

[Michael Bostick]

I. I wanted to hang out with him.

[Aaron Lichey]

Everyone, all my friends were obsessed with him.

[Michael Bostick]

Very likable.

[Aaron Lichey]

I know.

[Michael Bostick]

And how amazing that you have those memories on the show that you can go back to.

[Aaron Lichey]

It was hard for me to watch that epis.

[Lauren Everts]

How long has it been now since he's passed?

[Aaron Lichey]

About a year. And I was pregnant the whole time.

[Lauren Everts]

It's even tougher.

[Michael Bostick]

When you found out that you were pregnant with your fourth. Were you guys surprised?

[Abe Lichey]

No.

[Michael Bostick]

No. You knew.

[Aaron Lichey]

I was. I was shocked.

[Abe Lichey]

I knew the moment. We can see it.

[Aaron Lichey]

Okay. I know.

[Abe Lichey]

So did you.

[Aaron Lichey]

I think I.

[Michael Bostick]

You usually.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

Moment.

[Lauren Everts]

I know what you're talking about.

[Abe Lichey]

You feel like that was the one.

[Michael Bostick]

You guys can feel the moment.

[Lauren Everts]

It just feels like that was the one.

[Abe Lichey]

We were in Aspen, Okay. And we had a lot of fun having sex.

[Aaron Lichey]

And it was like, I just got you pregnant.

[Abe Lichey]

And it was a big. There was love and there was a connection and a spark that you felt, too. And I knew at that moment that we had conceived a kid.

[Aaron Lichey]

It's actually happened every single time.

[Michael Bostick]

What is it like when we were in la, do you want to go over our experience? We were at the Beverly Hills Hotel.

[Lauren Everts]

This is the real hotel birthday party.

[Michael Bostick]

I just got my body back on that day.

[Aaron Lichey]

That's what happened.

[Michael Bostick]

I took a video of myself. I was looking like, your fault. Creme de la creme. At my goal weight. Literally that day, I was like, wow, I'm going to wear red. That's how you know if I wear red, I'm feeling good. It's not black. I'm feeling good. This motherfucker gets me pregnant the day I got my body.

[Aaron Lichey]

That's the hardest part. Honestly. It's insane having a baby. Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

It's like you.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

It's like.

[Aaron Lichey]

It's really hard.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, listen, because you were giving off like you were. You know, you're feeling yourself because you were so hot.

[Michael Bostick]

I. Recharging full.

[Abe Lichey]

Look at this charging bull. I. I don't blame him.

[Aaron Lichey]

In the ride with that. No.

[Abe Lichey]

And you know, like, You.

[Lauren Everts]

You guys both have kids. And so we got a night away. We were in a hotel. There was nobody around.

[Abe Lichey]

We were going to.

[Lauren Everts]

We had a couple drinks.

[Aaron Lichey]

You know, so much fun.

[Lauren Everts]

For sure.

[Aaron Lichey]

It was like that.

[Michael Bostick]

It's weird, too, when you. When you get pregnant and you've been pregnant before, you realize that there's this. A long journey ahead. So as happy as you are, it's also emotional.

[Aaron Lichey]

Very.

[Michael Bostick]

Do you know what I mean?

[Aaron Lichey]

100.

[Michael Bostick]

Is that how it feels with the fourth, too?

[Aaron Lichey]

You know what? Oddly, this last time, it was just like. I didn't even. I just was like, oh, I. Like, I had to disassociate.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. You know, I know what you're saying.

[Aaron Lichey]

My third was the hardest. Why hardest? I gained the most weight. It took me a year to lose it. I don't know why. I don't know why. I couldn't tell you. It was the hard. By far the hardest. My fourth, I was just like, I'm not changing what I eat.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lichey]

This baby is not doing this to me. So, like, I literally ate the exact same way as I did before. I worked out like crazy. They were like, oh, you shouldn't be an slt. Like, you know, you're two weeks out. I'm like, fuck that. I'm doing slt. Like, I'm not. Like, I was not messing around this time.

[Michael Bostick]

That's how I play the sushi. The oysters. I was popping oysters, by the way.

[Aaron Lichey]

I think they're healthy.

[Michael Bostick]

You know what?

[Lauren Everts]

It's zinc source.

[Michael Bostick]

You know, I feel.

[Abe Lichey]

I think this is a good zinc source.

[Aaron Lichey]

What?

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I do. I know where you're going with this.

[Michael Bostick]

What's a good zinc source?

[Lauren Everts]

Every guy in the room knows what you're saying.

[Michael Bostick]

What's a good zinc source?

[Abe Lichey]

Michael will show you later.

[Michael Bostick]

Oh, I've had enough imc. Semen out. There's semen coming out of my ears. I am.

[Aaron Lichey]

This is why we waited five years.

[Lauren Everts]

Listen, cold season's coming up. Cold and flu season. You know.

[Michael Bostick]

Enough is enough. Ghostbusters.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

So four.

[Michael Bostick]

So four is. Is the number. That's it.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

You're done.

[Aaron Lichey]

That's it. That's it. I'm done.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm done.

[Aaron Lichey]

I would love for you. I would love for you.

[Abe Lichey]

I'm not getting a vasectomy.

[Aaron Lichey]

I would love it.

[Michael Bostick]

And what do you do about that if you're not getting a vasectomy?

[Aaron Lichey]

That's my. Go buy condoms.

[Abe Lichey]

I'm happy because I've heard opinions.

[Lauren Everts]

I would love to hear your opinions because I also don't want one. I. I heard that there was there. And this could be a straight Instagram myth. You know, we all get these things now in the health space. But they were saying that there was an increased risk in either Alzheimer's or dementia by like a pretty significant percentage for. For men that have got a vasectomy. And also potentially. And again, someone may debunk this medical people potential prostate cancer issues.

[Abe Lichey]

Wow.

[Lauren Everts]

And to me, like he's going to.

[Michael Bostick]

Use this for later on.

[Lauren Everts]

Aaron, It's.

[Aaron Lichey]

Oh yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

The only way that I can rationalize any of this is that you're maybe inhibiting a natural function of the body, which I think in any case is maybe not critical.

[Michael Bostick]

This is like you're trying to make an excuse not to get a V. Long.

[Lauren Everts]

Long story short into camera. I will not be getting a vasectomy.

[Abe Lichey]

I won't either. It's.

[Aaron Lichey]

Listen, I get it.

[Abe Lichey]

So it's.

[Aaron Lichey]

The truth is I do get it.

[Abe Lichey]

Like we're getting.

[Aaron Lichey]

Because it's.

[Abe Lichey]

We need a ship. It's neutered.

[Aaron Lichey]

And I get it.

[Abe Lichey]

I don't want my life force.

[Aaron Lichey]

But you just have to use condoms. So that's. It is what it is.

[Abe Lichey]

Because eventually we won't have to use condoms regularly. And it'll be that much better when I'm 38.

[Aaron Lichey]

Dude, it's going to be a long time. What are you trying to say? I'm going to have like menopause soon.

[Lauren Everts]

Careful. We'll move to another segment.

[Michael Bostick]

Michael should really get a brand deal with bare skin condoms. That's the kind he uses.

[Aaron Lichey]

Oh, that's what I hear.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. Because they're so thin.

[Lauren Everts]

They're like talking to AI the other day, I'm like, what is this? The thinnest utility that will get the job done but protect everyone. And I got the big ones with.

[Abe Lichey]

The Magnum, like the spare skin, I think. Magnum.

[Michael Bostick]

I love how he threw that out.

[Abe Lichey]

I didn't even. I swear I didn't realize that. I'm just picturing the brand.

[Lauren Everts]

No, there's also another one.

[Aaron Lichey]

Sure. Abe.

[Lauren Everts]

There's also another one I heard called Skin S K Y E N is what I've heard. But maybe I need an.

[Abe Lichey]

I've heard lambskin is the best we've had that. Yeah, they're very expensive. They smell bad.

[Michael Bostick]

I like the old pull out method. I feel like that worked in the old days.

[Aaron Lichey]

It does work. It does work.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, the pull out method works.

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah. But then you can't come together.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay. Oh, Jesus Christ.

[Aaron Lichey]

Name of the pod.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. He's plugging the name of the pod. That's.

[Abe Lichey]

We all got to plug something. But I actually meant it in the literal sense, too.

[Michael Bostick]

You can't cut.

[Aaron Lichey]

Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

But you do not want to get a vasectomy because you feel it neuters your life force.

[Michael Bostick]

Yes.

[Abe Lichey]

And there's another component. I feel like you lose a little bit of psychological leverage in the relationship.

[Aaron Lichey]

But not really, because why would you know?

[Lauren Everts]

Well, explain that.

[Michael Bostick]

I can get what you're saying.

[Lauren Everts]

Explain that.

[Abe Lichey]

This is gonna sound like not fully what I'm meaning to say, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

[Aaron Lichey]

God.

[Abe Lichey]

There's a sense we can edit this, right? We're in it for the long haul. Like, we're gonna die all together. But there's, I think, a psychological push and pull in a relationship. And one of the things that men have is the.

[Aaron Lichey]

That you can impregnate more people.

[Abe Lichey]

You can impregnate more people. Theoretically, little threats.

[Aaron Lichey]

The way he thinks.

[Michael Bostick]

Oh, no. You know why? I knew what he was going to say. I like, think like that kind of as a girl. Like, I like to know what my leverage is in the relationship. So I understand what you're saying.

[Lauren Everts]

You're saying that it's like. It's a little hold on to this guy because he. His equipment still works, and there's other opportunities to.

[Michael Bostick]

And kind of it's fun to be like, as a woman, I cut it off.

[Lauren Everts]

And by the way, everyone, Abe said that, not me.

[Aaron Lichey]

Abe will get in trouble for you.

[Michael Bostick]

I get what you're saying, though. It's a little bit of, like, leverage.

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah. Just a subtle thing.

[Michael Bostick]

A little power.

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah. I need to look. I have to balance it somehow. Look at her. She's like.

[Michael Bostick]

How do you guys think about marriage and partnership?

[Abe Lichey]

That's a broad question. I don't even know where to begin.

[Aaron Lichey]

I feel like we're pretty partnered.

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah. Like, we're. It's weird because we're life partners and we're business partners.

[Aaron Lichey]

Like, we part like. Like, you guys. It's like, a lot. It's a lot more than just a marriage. There's, like, a lot that goes into working together and having a lot of kids and being in a relationship.

[Abe Lichey]

I mean, I'd be curious to know what your guys experience, too, is because we've talked about this where the obvious pros are. You know, you share ideas. You're in bed, going to sleep, and just talking. Like, a lot of great ideas come there. And just a natural kind of flow between your Professional and personal life. But then there's the potential downside of the dynamics where it's like, for example, like I'm the CEO of the company. She's we're co founders, equal co founders. But sometimes as CEO, I have to give a directive and she's like, you.

[Aaron Lichey]

Don'T give me directives though. I'm not going to listen to you ever. Beyond that though, I think that yes, it is true. The thing that I think is really.

[Abe Lichey]

Interesting to do so with your balls.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah, no, the thing that I think is really interesting about working together and being in a relationship is that if you are two people that love business and love to work, which I don't think is everybody, but if it happens to be that you both love working so much, you can make so much more of your time when you have a business together. And like, there's so much upside when it works because it really can work. You know what I mean? 100 yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

I mean we talk about this all the time. I think one, the working dynamic in a relationship is way harder to figure out than anything else because of like there's to the different power dynamics, how things work, how they don't work, who's got what say, who doesn't know what to say. I think the other thing that's really difficult and which would never work for either of us is, you know, previous relationships or something like that where people say like, okay, you've got to stop talking about this thing at this time. Like that I think 100% that wouldn't work.

[Aaron Lichey]

One, we talk about that actually on the podcast a lot. It's, it's like it, it, it's a natural evolution. Like sometimes you're not talking about it, sometimes you are. Sometimes like I don't like the restrictive element.

[Michael Bostick]

The other thing I see though why it's hard for, for like say a man is working all day long at the office and he's running shit and then he comes home and the woman's been doing her thing, whatever that is, let's say she's a stay at home mom. I could see how it's hard for both of them because they're in such different worlds to connect.

[Lauren Everts]

Like a perfect example, we've been doing this show for close to a decade. We've done 900 plus episodes, interviewed 800 people. Well, thank, well, thank you. But the reason I, I'm bringing it up is imagine if one of us only was having all of those interactions with all of these interesting people through all these years and then you go home and the other person hasn't been part of that, I would feel left out. She would probably feel left out. And we get to do this together. And I think we're having all these great conversations and learning together and I feel like it would be very difficult in our lives to come home and only one of us had those experiences.

[Aaron Lichey]

Totally.

[Abe Lichey]

I love that point.

[Aaron Lichey]

Totally agree. But I think there's also on the other side of it, and I understand what you're saying about like if one person is out there working and then they come home and it's like they can't connect. But on the other side of it, it's like your safe space, right. You want to come home and be able to vent about what's going on or what you did that day. And if you can't do that because the person's going to feel left out or upset, that's kind of like a double edged sword. I feel so like you almost would, I would imagine that you'd want to encourage that kind of communication because otherwise then the person is just feeling like not even involved in that person's life at all because they can't talk about their business life at home.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

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[Lauren Everts]

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[Aaron Lichey]

Well, many thanks good sir. Here is my Discover card. They accept Discover at Renaissance fairs? Yeah, they do here. Discover is accepted at the places I love to shop. Getth with the times, with the tines. You're playing the lute. Yeah. And it sounds pretty good, right? Discover is accepted at 99% of places that take credit cards nationwide, based on.

[Abe Lichey]

The February 2025 Nielsen report.

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[Michael Bostick]

What is you guys strategy when it comes to having four kids and running a business as successful as you do? What's the. What's the. The tip?

[Aaron Lichey]

The takeaway systems and organization and asking for help. This is something I learned a year and a half ago. Two almost two years ago now. Getting more help which I, I did not ever think I would have an assistant. Like I don't know why, like a personal assistant. I never, I don't know, I just was like, you know, I had people that worked for me at work and they would help me with certain things, like in our business. But I never thought I'd have a go to person. It has changed my life. And also, Abe, like, Abel runs a law firm. Like, he has a successful practice. He's now hiring people. And he's like, it's changed my life.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lichey]

And that's a. I think it's a big step for people who own businesses, that run their own businesses, because I'm a little bit of a control freak. I like things the way I do. You kind of have to. When you're growing, you've got to give the raise, delegate. You got to delegate. And once you start doing it, there's like all these other opportunities and all these other things that you can grow into, and it's very exciting, actually.

[Michael Bostick]

I also think help. When you have help at home. I think so many people lie about the help that they have at home. You see influencers and celebrities not being honest. The reason I have, like, they'll just. They won't admit they have a nanny.

[Aaron Lichey]

Not in my world. On Bravo, they're like, I have 17 babies.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. A lot of. On Instagram, I could see that they don't. They're not honest or I'll give you another one. A night nurse. When I told people I had a night nurse, people were like, I think some were shocked that they didn't know that that happens. And the other half were like, thanks for being honest. Because people lie about.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't think people are shocked.

[Aaron Lichey]

Nasty comments.

[Lauren Everts]

I think people are. I don't think people are shocked that you have it or that you've done it. I think people are shocked that you share and you're open about it, because a lot of people just don't. Aren't.

[Michael Bostick]

I think that having help gives me more time with people making nasty comments like. Like, I really.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, there is a. There is a gender dynamic here where I promise you, Abe and I never get questioned by our guy friends or girls. If we have help.

[Abe Lichey]

If we have.

[Michael Bostick]

I work the exact same amount as him, and you probably work the same amount. But everyone wants to ask the woman that. It's very interesting. I look at his help. Like, I get to spend more time with my kids. If I have help doing laundry, then I can be more present.

[Aaron Lichey]

It's a necessary. It's. For me, it's necessary. And I'm so grateful. How is this I'm so controversial?

[Michael Bostick]

Oh, my God. You should see the comments on Instagram. People get sent.

[Aaron Lichey]

Oh, I had.

[Lauren Everts]

So it's controversial, I think, because, listen, it's a luxury to be able to obviously have resources.

[Aaron Lichey]

Absolutely.

[Lauren Everts]

And not everyone is able to have that. And so I think it's controversial because sometimes people might be upset if somebody has it and they either can't or it's not available to them. So I think, like, it. You know, there's that. But that's. That's in everything. Right.

[Aaron Lichey]

But. But help could also be your mom or your sister. Or it could be.

[Michael Bostick]

I don't have my mom and sister.

[Aaron Lichey]

It's just.

[Michael Bostick]

They're living next to me. Yeah, exactly.

[Aaron Lichey]

I think it's just like any sort of help. But when I. So I never had a baby nurse. Not on purpose. Just I didn't have one with the first two. We were also. I was like, first, right. I was like 27 when I had my. We were young and I don't think we even had enough money to spend on, like, a baby nurse. We had a nanny.

[Abe Lichey]

I also felt and then weird about having somebody live in our home.

[Aaron Lichey]

Well, you. He got used to it real quick. He was like, is she leaving? And then the third was Covid baby. So we were home and we couldn't even have anybody. But this last time, I. An angel. Truly an angel. Like, we. We brought her back. We asked her to come back. She left and we were like, no, no, no, we're not done with you. Please, please, please come back. And I got so many comments of people being like. Like, I don't know. I said something nice about him. They're like, how about you try spending time with your baby? How about you did it like, shaving me? And I was shocked. I didn't even think twice about posting her. I actually got her like, a bunch of jobs because I thought she was so amazing. I was like, let me share her with the world. But people were so nasty. So I can't even imagine what you got. It's like crazy.

[Michael Bostick]

I think too, like, for me, I was. I'm working during the day and to perform at the. At the level that I want to perform at. Like, you need sleep.

[Lauren Everts]

I would fire every single employee that dear media has before. I would let go of my childhelp. Sorry. Everyone's like a single one. Because, like, here's the thing. Like, we, like, it is such a huge help. And for what we do together, I mean, we work at the same time. We're doing the show. Like, we. It would not be possible to do anything without it. We need help. And when we first. We had our first child, none of our family was there. And so we were the first one of our friend group to have it. So, like, we need the help we can get. Yeah.

[Aaron Lichey]

We were also the first. My friends used to call me child bride and teen mom.

[Abe Lichey]

But.

[Lauren Everts]

But, no but for sure. I mean, but here's the thing. Like, I'm. I am shameless about talking about it because what people don't realize, like, there's also people that seek out these professions and like, and they do this for a living. And so you're, you're also like supporting somebody.

[Abe Lichey]

You're supporting the, the economy, in a sense.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes.

[Aaron Lichey]

Our nanny is like another mom. I think she's. She's like my mom. Sometimes she, like, takes care of me. She's like. Did you.

[Abe Lichey]

I was going to say this, what you just said remind me of kind of your initial question to tie together, which is, you know, what do you. When you have four kids or even three, whatever. It's quite different when you're a married couple working together because having help enables you to do the business. And you're taking on a lot of risk by being an entrepreneur to begin with.

[Aaron Lichey]

Right.

[Abe Lichey]

But the irony is you actually end up being able to. You spend more time with your kids because the fact that you work together, you don't have to be in an office to be productive. You're at home and you're still able to be productive on the other end of it and be with your kids. And so a big part of it is including your kids just in your day to day life, even if it's business. It's like yesterday I come upstairs and Erin's.

[Aaron Lichey]

So we, we moved into it. Let me give context. We moved into a townhouse. And on the. We have two different apartments that are part of the townhouse. And the lower floor we turned into our mescalum office. So we have our whole staff on the lower floor.

[Michael Bostick]

I'm going to need an invite to the Mezcal office.

[Aaron Lichey]

You have to come for Shabbat. I was going to say, I would.

[Michael Bostick]

Love to come for Shabbat.

[Lauren Everts]

You had me at Mezcal.

[Aaron Lichey]

Well, it's here. It arrived.

[Abe Lichey]

Good.

[Lauren Everts]

What is it? Tuesday in the middle of the day?

[Aaron Lichey]

Perfect. I know. Should we bring it off? Yeah, sure, bring it in.

[Abe Lichey]

I'll do a little sip.

[Aaron Lichey]

Okay. Well, we. I think Jayla, in a little bit.

[Lauren Everts]

Bring in that Mezcal.

[Aaron Lichey]

Anyway, Abe has a private office downstairs, so he comes. So, like, it really moving here also really changed our lives. Because we were able to work where our kids live.

[Michael Bostick]

So your office is below your house?

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah, it's like part of one building.

[Michael Bostick]

That's so cool. And you were gonna say you came in and your kids were there.

[Abe Lichey]

So I came up. It was the middle of the day. I just came up to just get a bite to eat. And Aaron's like on Zooms and working, and baby Jack is in his walker, just hanging out. Just da da, da, da, da da. He's there, she's hanging out with him, even though it's the middle of the workday. So it's just the irony of people saying, oh, spend time with your kids. This is dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[Michael Bostick]

The entrepreneur does give you a lot of fluidity on how you can bring your kids. Like, we'll bring our kids if we're podcasting here for a week. You can be a little bit more malleable and flexible, which is great.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. What I tell people about that though, because there's, there's probably. There's certain people that are listening. That's just like, easy. Sounds good for you. There's. There's trade offs. Right. Like, being an entrepreneur, you are able to set some of your own schedule and work the hours you need to work, but you also carry an immense risk and stress and pressure.

[Aaron Lichey]

Stress.

[Lauren Everts]

And, you know, like, if I work in an organization, you obviously it's a little bit more restrictive around, you know, the work setting and seeing your kids if you're clocking into an office or whatever. But you know the hours and you know exactly like what the input versus the output meaning, like, you show up and you know what you're signing for.

[Abe Lichey]

Like you have a salary.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. As much as I would love to hope that everything we're doing will be successful, like, things can go wrong and go belly up tomorrow.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yep.

[Lauren Everts]

And. And I think that's, that's the trade off and so where I can meet people with empathy and understand their perspective. Until you've also set, like sat in the seat of someone who carries that kind of risk. It's, it's just a different. It's a different way you have to think. Right. It's. There's trade offs is what I'm saying.

[Abe Lichey]

100%. I think you're being a little too nice about it. I think people need to be a little bit more empathetic to entrepreneurs who take on that risk. Because nobody talks about that side of it, Nobody sees that side of it. They just see what's on Instagram and Social media.

[Aaron Lichey]

You were venting last night about all the stresses.

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah, it's like there's a lot of fucking stress that goes into running and building a business. It's not like everything's great every day. Like things happen on an hour to hour basis sometimes, especially when you're in beginning stages. And that risk, nobody cares about that. They just care about what they think they know. And I would encourage anybody listening who thinks like sees only one side of it. Try to put yourself in the mindset of somebody who's taken on that risk, who lives with taking on that risk and is not guaranteed a paycheck. They work hard for it. And, and you know.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I know every single day I wake up that There is with 100% certainty a problem in the company that I'm gonna have to do. Like it's not like, oh, maybe there'd be a problem. Like I know 100%.

[Michael Bostick]

You should have seen me yesterday with the problem.

[Lauren Everts]

And when people I'm at like, you know, you get better at it. But like people will bring like just kick on. Dear media. Cuz we all, you know, yours, we produce your show.

[Michael Bostick]

Somebody the color of the studio needs to be changed. Color of a studio because it looks like foreskin.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. Okay, well she said it looks like a foreskin.

[Abe Lichey]

Color is foreskin.

[Aaron Lichey]

Well, actually you don't know like a.

[Abe Lichey]

It's like, doesn't it depend on the skin color of the person who's a.

[Michael Bostick]

Really, you know what? It's like, have you ever seen a naked mole rat? That's the color of foreskin.

[Aaron Lichey]

That's what I was picturing.

[Abe Lichey]

I'm circumcised. So I guess I don't. Wouldn't know.

[Aaron Lichey]

Oh yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

So we're really getting to know each other today. So. No, but I just like. And every time somebody like I wake up like this is. And the reason I'm able to come.

[Michael Bostick]

Foreskin studio.

[Lauren Everts]

Can you stop talking about foreskin? You're throwing me off my train of thought here. I'm like every time. The reason I don't get so stressed about it anymore is cause I'm just constantly stressed if that makes sense. Like I know that there's an issue and I know as soon as I solve that tomorrow there's gonna be issue. And I think like the dynamic for people listening is entrepreneurs are the ones that are setting out to deal with nothing but problem solving all day long.

[Aaron Lichey]

All day long.

[Lauren Everts]

And that's. I think that's the mindset that you have to have some people like that. Some people don't. If you don't like that, no problem. There's nothing. Like, I. I know a lot of people that are in great organizations that are not at the CEO level, that make a hell of a lot more income than me and do much better and, you know, so I think that's the dynamic. So, yeah, I'm being nice about it, but also, I don't really have a lot of sympathy for people that whine about, like, the circumstances of entrepreneurs because you have to take on too so much risk.

[Aaron Lichey]

How much risk?

[Abe Lichey]

Like a spice tolerance. The more spicy you. You get more of a tolerance. The same thing with stress where, you know, you're just like, hey, it's the normal day.

[Aaron Lichey]

And also you have people that, like, rely on you to, like, exist. And that's really challenging. It's a lot of pressure. Like, you. You have to take care of people's salaries and, like, make sure that they can pay for their lives.

[Michael Bostick]

I think this conversation's important because entrepreneurship has been so glamorized and romanticized. So glamorized and yeah, sure, there's glamorous parts of it, but I also think it's important to talk about the. The stuff behind the scenes as well.

[Lauren Everts]

No, I'll give you. I mean, we've done this show, like I said, for a while, and there's a lot of wild shit that we would say and do on the show. But sometimes now, because of that responsibility to the organization and other people, they'll call me up and say, hey, like, like, you gotta tone it down. Because it could affect.

[Aaron Lichey]

Not.

[Lauren Everts]

Not that I, Like, I'm still pretty out there, but, like, I have to be thoughtful because there's people that are reliant on this company and me, like, shepherding it in the right direction, if that makes sense. Yeah, I can't just, like, fly. Trust me, if I didn't have to rely on those. If they didn't have that, if that responsibility didn't exist, you. This thing would have gone off the rails years ago. But I have to just be more careful now.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah, totally.

[Abe Lichey]

And appreciate that.

[Michael Bostick]

What are the systems that you guys have for your kids? You mentioned systems. Do you have, like a super. You said routines, too. Do you have a specific routine?

[Aaron Lichey]

Looking to me. Right. I wanted to see you. Do you organize routines and systems? Is that you?

[Michael Bostick]

I. I want to hear yours first, and I feel like mine. They're going to be synergistic, but I think you're. I would think you're more like Michael oh, interesting. Yeah.

[Aaron Lichey]

Are you. You're the routine system person. No, there's always one in the relationship.

[Michael Bostick]

I like a traditions, like weekly tradition, like kind of person. I don't. I'm not strict on systems. That's why I want to hear what you have to say.

[Aaron Lichey]

So I'm. I'm pretty relaxed in terms of like, it doesn't have to be perfect. That being said, the systems that I have in place are the calendar. The weekly schedule is up on a bulletin board. Every Sunday, my assistant prints it out and she puts it up on the bulletin board in English, in Spanish, and my schedule as well. So that In Spanish, because one of our nannies, Abe's mom, is actually from Cuba, so we speak Spanish in our house as well.

[Michael Bostick]

You might have to text me a picture of this so I can do.

[Aaron Lichey]

I'll send it to you. It's amazing. It's changed everything. Like, even today my nanny was like, oh, what time do they leave? And I was like, yeah, right there. So that has been amazing. Also I created a really good, I think, weekly bedtime routine for them, which I have past week or so been very strict about. And it's really changed their day.

[Michael Bostick]

What is it?

[Aaron Lichey]

They come home, they have like a point system, and if they get all the points, it's 10 points for that night or that day, whatever. And basically they come home that do their homework, they unpack their bags, they brush their teeth, they take a shower, and they're upstairs playing by seven o', clock, which is early for my kids. My son is 11, he doesn't go to sleep till 9. But they're playing, they play with each other. Then it's books and. And they're all in bed by like 7:45 and they need to be asleep by 8. And that's it. There's no question anymore. It used to be like, oh, 8:30, 8:15. And it's a problem the next day. I mean, my kids are also like, Layla's 8, Levi's 11. Like, if they don't get enough sleep, which can, they can very easily shift to like a 9, 9:30. Because they're a little bit older. They're not good kids at school. Like, they're pissed off.

[Abe Lichey]

Like, they're cranky, really mean in the morning.

[Aaron Lichey]

And they're me. We're mostly talking about my daughter. She's very intense.

[Abe Lichey]

She's.

[Aaron Lichey]

She needs rest, beauty sleep. So that's been a system and that's really it. But it works. And also I'm really good about scheduling the Meals. Like, meal prep.

[Michael Bostick]

And do you prep the meals or does someone else prep? Else prep them. Because you're cooking.

[Aaron Lichey]

I feel like, in the sense of being honest here, like we've talked about, I actually hired a second person when we moved, and so the second person is now really the housekeeper. And my nanny is an excellent cook, and she's been prepping all the meals. I just don't have time.

[Michael Bostick]

If you're cooking, what are you cooking for?

[Aaron Lichey]

Shabbat.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay, and is that every Friday? Is that what inspired the cookbook to begin with?

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay.

[Aaron Lichey]

Because for me, Shabbat and for you was just something we did. It wasn't a big deal. It wasn't really thought about. It was just like, Friday night, you know, you're home, you're having dinner with your family. Like, that was it. And really, when I got on the show and started getting on tv, people were very, like, surprised. Like, every Friday night you do this.

[Michael Bostick]

I loved it.

[Aaron Lichey]

And it's every Friday night, and it's without fail. And so, like, my house is a revolving door. Like, literally, my siblings will just pop in, have lunch, go home. Like, it's just people are always in and out, and I just felt like I wanted to share easy hosting with people because it's so nice. It's so nice to be together.

[Michael Bostick]

How many siblings do you have again?

[Aaron Lichey]

Four. Younger, and he's got five.

[Michael Bostick]

Oh, my gosh. So it's a big family.

[Aaron Lichey]

Big family.

[Michael Bostick]

I bet there's dynamics and twists and turns with that.

[Aaron Lichey]

Oh, yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

You guys might not be done having kids now that I'm hearing you.

[Michael Bostick]

I know.

[Aaron Lichey]

No, no, we're done. We're done.

[Michael Bostick]

I'm done.

[Aaron Lichey]

You can have.

[Michael Bostick]

I don't know.

[Aaron Lichey]

I'm done.

[Abe Lichey]

I'm not saying we're not done.

[Aaron Lichey]

Well, I'm done.

[Abe Lichey]

We're not done.

[Aaron Lichey]

I don't know, maybe with your next person, with your life force that you have still.

[Michael Bostick]

Like, that's packed up.

[Aaron Lichey]

I'm done.

[Michael Bostick]

So if we come on a Friday to New York, we can come.

[Aaron Lichey]

Please bring your kids.

[Abe Lichey]

Absolutely, Andre.

[Aaron Lichey]

I would love for you guys to.

[Michael Bostick]

Love bring your kids. Oof. Really?

[Aaron Lichey]

Yes. Because all of our kids will play and it'll be great.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

It's actually sometimes easier when you bring the kids when other ways.

[Aaron Lichey]

They'Ll leave us alone.

[Abe Lichey]

She's eight. She loves being, like, the mommy to little younger kids.

[Aaron Lichey]

It's her favorite thing to do.

[Michael Bostick]

I bet she's really good with.

[Aaron Lichey]

The baby is amazing. That was the craziest thing. Okay, so we Went to a. I just. Let me tell it. I'll tell it fast. We went to a wedding and we both woke up and we looked at each other. It was a 9aM and we were like, the baby, like, never.

[Abe Lichey]

We were at friend's wedding. So we're out late.

[Aaron Lichey]

We woke up 9am that's late. The baby wakes up like 6:30. We were like, oh, my God, the baby. So we run downstairs. Layla had had a sleepover with her girlfriend. She's laying in our pullout with her friend, my younger son, Elijah, and the baby. And I'm like, is he okay? She's like, yeah, I changed him, I fed him, I changed his clothes, and now we're just hanging out.

[Abe Lichey]

I'm like, she made the bottle.

[Michael Bostick]

She did.

[Abe Lichey]

She's happy.

[Aaron Lichey]

There was unbelievable.

[Michael Bostick]

Oh, my God.

[Aaron Lichey]

They were just, like, all laying in bed laughing. It was so cute.

[Lauren Everts]

That's amazing, because I think Jordan Peterson, maybe it was him, was saying that that's what starts to happen is, like, when you have multiple kids, like that the kids start to help raise the other kids. So you're not like, when you jump to that with four kids as you have, it's not just like you guys doing all the work with all the kids. The kids help.

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah, yeah, totally. And it's important to empower them to help because then they feel really included and want the help. And it makes them feel circular but empowered.

[Michael Bostick]

And capable.

[Abe Lichey]

And capable.

[Aaron Lichey]

And capable.

[Michael Bostick]

Gary Vee was just on the show and he talked about how important it is as a parent to make sure that your children know that you feel they're capable.

[Aaron Lichey]

I say this all the time. There's a story that I have that I tell people because I feel like American parents are very helicopter, especially a lot of my friends. And sometimes I'm like, just leave your kid alone. They're fine. Levi was going actually up for Shabbat dinner at my dad's, and he was like, can I go in the elevator? Remember? I think he was like, four, five, little, but not too little. Like he knew what he was doing. My dad lived on the second floor, and I'm like, sure, you can do it by yourself. And he was like, really? He was so shocked that I would let him do it. And he did it. And I remember him walking in and feeling like he was lit up. He was like, I went in the elevator, I pushed the button. Like, those little moments, they're not a big deal to us, but they're huge for them because they feel like they can do things they're independent. I think Malcolm Gladwell wrote about it in one of the books. I think the Tipping Point.

[Michael Bostick]

He was saying that when your kid is 25 and you're still paying for their car and their apartment, it's a dog whistle to them that they're not capable.

[Abe Lichey]

Totally.

[Michael Bostick]

I thought that was really interesting.

[Aaron Lichey]

I agree.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, he was saying he gets a lot of messages and DMs from kids that are in that situation. And when it first started happening, he kind of like threw him off. But then he realized that the parents are one. Enabling, but also creating something where the kid feels less self worth, like the parent doesn't believe in them.

[Abe Lichey]

That makes complete sense. I hadn't thought about it that way. I've thought about it in the enabling sense and how if you don't have the incentive to. To make something of yourself, that. That's interesting.

[Aaron Lichey]

I'm sure that's a part of it, too.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I think it's so hard. I mean, I think about this a lot. Our kids are young, but you wanted. You work hard so that you can do everything to prepare and also take care of your children and give them a great life. But at some point, you kind of. One of the most heartbreaking things I heard is like, your job as a parent is to create an individual that one day doesn't need you.

[Aaron Lichey]

Totally. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

How do I make good shashuko? How do I say it?

[Aaron Lichey]

Shakshuka.

[Michael Bostick]

It's honestly, keep up and watch Housewives.

[Aaron Lichey]

It's so easy.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay. How do I make a good shashuka?

[Aaron Lichey]

You never had. Did you've had one?

[Michael Bostick]

No, I've never had one. No.

[Lauren Everts]

Are you saying it wrong?

[Aaron Lichey]

Maybe you come for brunch. Shakshuka.

[Michael Bostick]

I said it right.

[Lauren Everts]

Shakshuka.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

Shakshuka.

[Aaron Lichey]

It's so easy. You saute onions, garlic, cook it down. Then you put tomatoes, fresh tomatoes. Okay. And then you cook that down. It takes a while. It's tedious.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay.

[Aaron Lichey]

And you can add a little bit of tomato sauce if you want. And then you throw eggs in. And then you can either put feta on it or parsley or whatever you can top it with.

[Michael Bostick]

What is everyone talking about? That sounds amazing.

[Aaron Lichey]

Delicious.

[Michael Bostick]

So what was the problem with the shatshuka?

[Abe Lichey]

Well.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, close your shoes hit Ralph.

[Abe Lichey]

Like, what?

[Michael Bostick]

What were they mad about? That sounds delicious.

[Abe Lichey]

Persian version.

[Aaron Lichey]

Jenna didn't want to. To eat it before we worked out fine. And then Cy doesn't like baked eggs. Like, I don't know. There was a problem that Whole weekend. It was a problem.

[Michael Bostick]

That's why I don't go on girls trips.

[Aaron Lichey]

Aaron and I was hosting. I'm like, next time, we're not doing that at my house.

[Michael Bostick]

That's what I'm saying.

[Lauren Everts]

I've never been more lost in an episode.

[Aaron Lichey]

Did you watch it?

[Lauren Everts]

No, I don't.

[Michael Bostick]

You watch. He watch House. He doesn't watch it like me. He.

[Lauren Everts]

I watch it as she's watching.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

You know, and then I'll be like, what's going on?

[Aaron Lichey]

Well, I mean, he watched Miami the other day. He was actually into it.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

It's good.

[Abe Lichey]

I don't watch any. I watch our show, but I don't watch any reality tv. So we learned a long time ago. I go to, like, if I'm gonna watch.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah, but you watched. You were into Miami.

[Abe Lichey]

But that's what happens, because if you're.

[Aaron Lichey]

In bed watching, you see her going Haitian mortician. Like, it was. That was great.

[Lauren Everts]

I got a really weird.

[Michael Bostick]

Michael, she cheated with a Haitian mortician who stole her coffee.

[Aaron Lichey]

She had to buy him a coffee machine.

[Michael Bostick]

She had to buy him a coffee machine to shut him up. You cannot write that.

[Aaron Lichey]

Amazing. Just amazing. I'm like, how do we get that on our show?

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, we need to get that. But with you paired that with you in the Haitian mortician story, that would be perfect.

[Aaron Lichey]

I would love it.

[Lauren Everts]

My thing is, I have a weird thing where I kind of don't watch, but now that I know you guys personally, I'm gonna have to watch everything, and then I'm gonna get mad at people that are mean to on the show, and I get really invested.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, that's how we are with marriage.

[Lauren Everts]

I do that. Everyone that I meet that goes on these shows now, I'll be like, I got to watch. I got to catch up. And then I'm going to, like, make enemies for you that are not even.

[Aaron Lichey]

Seth actually have the same birthday.

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lichey]

We discovered this at dinner with them.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

He's.

[Michael Bostick]

He's a good vibe.

[Aaron Lichey]

He's a nice guy. They're good people.

[Michael Bostick]

I feel like you guys are on the same frequency. He's like.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

He's in on the joke.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah.

[Abe Lichey]

Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

Do you know what I mean?

[Abe Lichey]

Yes. It's very well said. Yeah, it's. I mean, there's a whole other episode, but it's a weird experience being a man on a housewife show.

[Aaron Lichey]

I'm sure.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

What is that?

[Abe Lichey]

Like, you live in this liminal space where you're not a cast member, and they don't like, but you're on it and they're using your name, image and likeness. And there's an indirect benefit and you want to be supportive of your wife, but you're still exposed yourself to all the shit that people say about you because they think that they saw something that you said something that's obviously not the context. And then you see articles that are written in the tabloids and you're like, dude, I'm not even getting paid for this, like tabloid shit. And it's weird. It's a weird thing.

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[Abe Lichey]

You'Re.

[Lauren Everts]

The first husband that's come on here and you articulated exactly what I've always thought. I always weird. I always wondered what the Husbands do in this situation. Because everything you just said.

[Michael Bostick]

What's a misconception that you want to clear up? That's bullshit that came out in the tabloids.

[Abe Lichey]

There's so many. Are there? The first season, I said as a joke that I'd fuck other women.

[Aaron Lichey]

Like, he was so upset.

[Michael Bostick]

Wait, I don't remember that you said you fuck other women.

[Aaron Lichey]

Because we were talking about how. How Jessel and her husband hadn't had sex for, like, two years.

[Michael Bostick]

Was that true?

[Aaron Lichey]

And I was like, okay. And I was like, what would you do if that happened? He was like, I'd fuck other women, but he was kidding.

[Michael Bostick]

But were you, though? Hold on.

[Lauren Everts]

That's a good question.

[Michael Bostick]

I mean, I'm gonna be honest.

[Abe Lichey]

Well, here's the thing.

[Michael Bostick]

If I didn't get sex for two years, Michael, I might. You know, that's a Sahara desert.

[Abe Lichey]

Here's the difference.

[Aaron Lichey]

That's what she called it when they had sex the first time.

[Abe Lichey]

This was the nuance that was not captured on the show, which is, if Aaron, God forbid, was, like, really sick and we couldn't have sex because she was ill, that would be a completely different scenario where, if it was two years of she just didn't want to have sex with me because we're not connecting. It's two completely different situations. Then these articles would come out. Like, even if his wife was sick with cancer, he'd fucking cheat on her. And it's like, I don't care. Like, now, if I was so new.

[Michael Bostick]

Michael would be like, you still have a hand? Does your mouth work?

[Abe Lichey]

I mean, listen, I think zinc to get better.

[Lauren Everts]

I think, you know, we talk to a lot of, you know, relationship people on this podcast, like, therapists. Sex is a big part of being in intimate relationship. And I think when the sex goes, a lot of other things go because you lose a lot of that human connection and absolutely, you know, not passing judgment on no one. But if you're in a relationship where you're not having sex any longer, you know.

[Aaron Lichey]

Well, what we didn't know, just to. Just to like, clarify for Jessa, what we didn't know is that she was going through a really rough IVF journey. We. We were not aware of that. And, like, so obviously it made sense after the fact. But regardless, like, sex is a huge part of relationship, and I feel like it's like, I know people are talking about it now, and there are all these sex therapists, but I feel like it's not even talked about enough, like, how important it is in marriage. Is like, I have. I know a lot of people that just stop having sex. Like, they just don't have sex.

[Michael Bostick]

And what are they? Part of their life.

[Aaron Lichey]

They're busy. They're like, this one goes to bed at a different time. Like, there's just always something. You know, I think a part of.

[Abe Lichey]

It, too, is, like, when you can. When you first connect with whoever. The person that becomes your spouse, there's. It's like, what's that foundation? And for a lot of people, I think they probably just end up settling and they get into routine, and they kind of just, like, go through the motions and they lose the spark, the fun. And I think a big part of it is that they. Individually, people forget that they're. They're not a. It can't be codependent. You have to be interdependent. You have to maintain your own independence while existing in an interdependent relationship. But you can't forget about yourself and, like, having fun yourself and doing things for yourself and giving your spouse the space to do that for themselves.

[Aaron Lichey]

I also think couples stop having fun together. And that's a big problem.

[Michael Bostick]

That's a big problem.

[Aaron Lichey]

Big problem.

[Michael Bostick]

I think that that lies in the fact that they stop liking each other.

[Aaron Lichey]

Probably not.

[Michael Bostick]

I don't think it's about love. I think when you stop liking the person with that you're with, the fun goes too.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yep. I also.

[Abe Lichey]

Chicken or the egg, though, right?

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lichey]

Like, you know, but you could love someone and not like them.

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah, but think about how many times people have been disconnected. They don't really like each other. And then they, like, go out, take Molly, like, for old time's sake. And they're like, I love you.

[Aaron Lichey]

This is who I marry.

[Abe Lichey]

Something. I'm dead. Dead.

[Aaron Lichey]

Molly. And all your problems.

[Lauren Everts]

Remember the connection. We have a business, so we have a sex business.

[Michael Bostick]

We need to go out and take some. Molly, I don't know if you know this.

[Lauren Everts]

We have a sex business. You do, and we're gonna get you perfect.

[Michael Bostick]

Put in my shashuka.

[Lauren Everts]

Shut the shishuka up, Lord.

[Aaron Lichey]

Sprinkle it on. Wait, what is your sex business? I had no idea.

[Lauren Everts]

So we have a sex business that will get you a bunch of products. It's called Woo.

[Michael Bostick]

And it's the best vibrator you'll ever.

[Lauren Everts]

But we started a long time ago, and our business partner Weston, who runs the company, makes a really good point all the time. And he says that because he talks about sex openly all the time running that company, he says that people work on their personal finances, they work on their health, they work on their mindset, they work on their business, they get all these coaches and do all these things, but they don't do anywhere near the same kind of work on themselves when it comes to their sex life. But sex is like a driving factor for relationships and happiness and, you know, all sorts of things. But we put like, it's like the thing that gets pushed off to the side and we wonder why we struggle in relationships. It's like nobody.

[Aaron Lichey]

Such a good point.

[Abe Lichey]

How much of it do you think is societal in like a cultural sense of, of shaming or people being, growing up, feeling ashamed to talk about it?

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I think that there's a lot of that. I also think that we have now just come through a time when there was a lot of, you know, devious and, you know, predatory behavior exposed by a lot of like, you know, terrible individuals. And so there's, there's a little bit of, you know, that out there if you want to be careful and respectful. But, you know, Scott Galloway is coming on later today and he just wrote a new book about, you know, raising young men. And one of his big things is that, like, young men are no longer approaching women because of some.

[Abe Lichey]

I've heard this. Yeah. And I agree with them.

[Lauren Everts]

And that basically young men and women's sexuality should be celebrated because again, it's a driving factor for a lot of things.

[Abe Lichey]

But we're losing some of that humanity's.

[Michael Bostick]

Procreation that I, I think that it's crazy that people feel shame to talk about sex when it's. That's why we're here.

[Abe Lichey]

It's literally the way that we continue populating the world.

[Michael Bostick]

I mean, I think that it does take, though, people talking about it to make people more comfortable with it. And we do have to get you the coconut oil lube because you can have a massage. You can eat it, like it, suck it, it so it's not like some gross massage and then you don't want to touch it. You know what I'm saying?

[Aaron Lichey]

Yes.

[Abe Lichey]

We have a massage table at home too.

[Aaron Lichey]

That's for the masseuse. I'm not.

[Michael Bostick]

You know.

[Aaron Lichey]

But you, it never lasts with you. I'm like, can you give me a massage and we'll have sex. It's like two seconds. I'm like, I said I wanted a massage first, though.

[Abe Lichey]

I give you five minutes, like four, three, four.

[Aaron Lichey]

It's nothing. That's not a massage. I get hour long massages.

[Michael Bostick]

You know what Michael asked me to do Michael literally while I'm having sex with him will be like, can you give me a head rub? I'm like, what do you think?

[Lauren Everts]

I have a fucking octopus.

[Abe Lichey]

You're living in the future.

[Lauren Everts]

It enhances the excitement experience.

[Aaron Lichey]

Does it really?

[Abe Lichey]

Try it.

[Lauren Everts]

Try it tonight.

[Aaron Lichey]

I've never heard of this.

[Michael Bostick]

Listen, he's gonna ask tonight.

[Aaron Lichey]

I'm going out tonight.

[Abe Lichey]

By the way.

[Lauren Everts]

It could work both ways.

[Michael Bostick]

Just blew his load.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, but no, I mean, listen, I.

[Michael Bostick]

Think like Michael guys everywhere their chakras to what you just said. You can get a head.

[Abe Lichey]

You have a chakra up there too.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

Yeah. And look at his hairline.

[Michael Bostick]

It's because I've been massaging his head the whole time.

[Abe Lichey]

Because that.

[Michael Bostick]

It's very natural.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, the Tick tock.

[Michael Bostick]

They call him Lego head.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, they call me Lego Head.

[Aaron Lichey]

No.

[Lauren Everts]

What is that?

[Aaron Lichey]

Why?

[Lauren Everts]

It's a bunch of patches.

[Michael Bostick]

It looks like a Lego that clicks on.

[Abe Lichey]

I'm jealous.

[Michael Bostick]

I'm over here having sex with someone with Lego hair, massaging it so it can grow.

[Lauren Everts]

But you know, I think like with everything else, like something we. We tend to stigma. Stigmatize things that we are uncomfortable leaning into. But whenever I see a stigma, I always, I'm always thinking like, there's probably a. Like it's probably important. Right?

[Aaron Lichey]

Like, yeah, that's a good point.

[Lauren Everts]

There's a lot of shame around certain, like, you know, there's a lot of shame around money. There's a lot of shame around sex. There's a lot of shame around like being vulnerable. You know, think about like years ago, like you couldn't talk about depression, anxiety, you know, mental health issues. And so I think, you know, one of the benefits of doing things like this is you get to just show people that these are human issues that we all have to deal with. Right. But leaning out of these conversations, I don't think helps anyone. Again, everyone's having sex. Everybody wants to have better sex. That's the tagline of the company. Like even better sex.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, that's like, that's can also be great for repair. Like when he annoys the fuck out of me.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

We had a fight the other night at dinner and we're like, the next day I'm like, cool.

[Abe Lichey]

Makeup sex.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, it's right.

[Abe Lichey]

That's what we're talking about.

[Michael Bostick]

Sometimes I love a little bite for no reason.

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

Throw a little mat all the time. Look at.

[Abe Lichey]

And by the way, this a lot with. In relationships where you're having a stale period, I think a lot of Pressure gets put on sometimes. Just be a little transactional about it. Be like, look, we haven't had sex in three weeks.

[Aaron Lichey]

Like we're doing that. It's happening tonight. I don't want to hear it. I'm like. And then he's like, you liked it? See, I told you.

[Abe Lichey]

As you always do.

[Michael Bostick]

Their personalities do change after. It's like, fully.

[Aaron Lichey]

Sometimes I'm like, it's actually wild. I can tell when it's like, been too long. He's like crabby. He's rude.

[Lauren Everts]

What did I say the other day? She like, we. It was.

[Michael Bostick]

I go, what is wrong with you?

[Lauren Everts]

And then you solved it in two seconds.

[Michael Bostick]

I had a. So I had a baby and you can't have sex for six weeks. And then I had a procedure where I got my vagina tight. You did like, I got it.

[Aaron Lichey]

Oh, yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

With Dr. NYC Gyno. I talked about it on the show. And then it was another six weeks that you have to wait.

[Aaron Lichey]

Tough.

[Abe Lichey]

But your dentist probably Clearance.

[Aaron Lichey]

But all.

[Michael Bostick]

Are you going to do a mommy makeover?

[Aaron Lichey]

I'm going to do a lift. You're going to do a lift?

[Michael Bostick]

Not a boob job. A lift.

[Aaron Lichey]

So I kind of. I kind of want to just do the lift, but I feel like everyone keeps saying you're going to have to get an implant. I really don't want one.

[Michael Bostick]

The thing about the lift is, I'm going to tell you, this is the lift. When you lift them up, it makes them look smaller.

[Aaron Lichey]

I'm okay. I don't care about that.

[Michael Bostick]

You're okay?

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah. I don't need a big boo boo.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay.

[Aaron Lichey]

I don't care about the.

[Michael Bostick]

Think about it. If it's. If it's like big and then you're lifting it up, I'm okay with the small boob.

[Aaron Lichey]

I just. I. I just worry that it's going to still be deflated.

[Michael Bostick]

I don't think so. With a lift.

[Aaron Lichey]

I hope not. I don't know. I lost. I used to have double Ds. I was the girl with big boobs.

[Michael Bostick]

Double Ds.

[Aaron Lichey]

Double Ds.

[Abe Lichey]

Legit.

[Aaron Lichey]

Legit. I had huge boobs. They ruined my boobs.

[Michael Bostick]

Because breastfeeding.

[Aaron Lichey]

Because of breastfeeding.

[Michael Bostick]

Why do people say it doesn't ruin your boobs?

[Aaron Lichey]

They're lying.

[Abe Lichey]

They're lying. From what I hear.

[Michael Bostick]

From what you. From what I hear.

[Abe Lichey]

I realized I was in a.

[Michael Bostick]

You know what, though? What makes me feel good is that with the boobs that. So. The boobs, like, let's say breastfeeding. Ruins them. Your balls are getting saggier and saggy. Saggier because you're getting older. And think about it. It's just gravity sitting there.

[Abe Lichey]

100% accurate.

[Aaron Lichey]

So balls are just gross.

[Michael Bostick]

When you guys get your balls lifted, talk to us about getting our tits lifted.

[Abe Lichey]

But, like, nobody's looking at our balls.

[Michael Bostick]

Oh, I have to look at balls.

[Abe Lichey]

Your boobs. Boobs are, like, not the bare boobs, but, like, your boobs are visible. So it's a different scenario. Your balls are hidden. You're. They're like.

[Aaron Lichey]

Imagine if guys just, like, started showing off their balls when they got a ball lift.

[Michael Bostick]

It's a lot.

[Abe Lichey]

Is that a thing? Does that probably exist?

[Aaron Lichey]

I don't know.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I'm sure. Like, everything exists. The question is, how far do you really need to.

[Michael Bostick]

Let's take a plot twist from saggy balls to your businesses.

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

What a segue. We are professionals.

[Michael Bostick]

So what's the perfect Mezcal margarita? How do you make it?

[Aaron Lichey]

We love a palama spicy palma.

[Michael Bostick]

How do you make it? What's the errands?

[Aaron Lichey]

Grapefruit. You can use a little bit of, like, liqueur. Like an orange liqueur. Okay. And that's it.

[Michael Bostick]

Simple.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah, we.

[Abe Lichey]

We're all about simplicity.

[Aaron Lichey]

Our Mezcal is so good. You really don't need much. And I'm not even just saying that. Anyone who tries it says it.

[Michael Bostick]

Taylor, can we get a glass of the Mezcal so we can drink it on you, Smokey?

[Lauren Everts]

Is it on a level?

[Aaron Lichey]

No.

[Abe Lichey]

So compared to tequila, it's smokier than tequila or most tequilas. We deliberately designed it to be very light on the smoke because we want it to appeal to a wider demographic, a female demographic, where Mezcal was typically very masculine dominated, like, smoky, dropped it off, and we wanted to work in cocktails where it didn't overpower it. So, yeah, it's. It's an addicting experience.

[Unidentified Host/Announcer]

So do.

[Michael Bostick]

So, you guys, if you're out and you're at a restaurant, you will order Mezcal on the rocks.

[Aaron Lichey]

I mean, so I like a. Like, I like a Mescalito, which is a margarita just with Mezcal. It's like, I like a skinny one.

[Michael Bostick]

And tell us the difference between. Because just so you can educate me, I want to know.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah, so what we created was a non. Not very smoky Mezcal. It's very light on the smoke because for me, Mezcal was too smoky. It could be very overwhelming. And also the branding, I thought was, like, very Masculine, very tribal. Ours is not. It's very beachy and also appeals to women. Smart. Tequila only, by Mexican law, has to be 51% pure agave, which leaves 49% of additives. A lot of. Yeah, a lot of brands are getting sued because they lie about how many additives. First of all, that's what makes people sick and gives them a hangover. And you're drinking, like, vanilla and, like, caramel. It's disgusting. It's crap. It's literally crap. By Mexican law, Mezcal has to be 100% pure agave.

[Abe Lichey]

And they test it.

[Aaron Lichey]

The other thing is tequila only can be made by blue Weber agave, one type of agave species. So they're getting, you know, farmed younger and younger. They're like shittier plants. It's just not. They're like. They're not mature. But mezcal is by 80 different species of agave. So ours is a blend. One is quiche, the agave we mix it with, which is very, very hard to come by. Wild agave, which really makes it light on the smoke.

[Abe Lichey]

So it's, like, too hard to come by. And it's a hundred percent.

[Michael Bostick]

There's no additives, like vanilla or nothing.

[Aaron Lichey]

I really want you to try it.

[Michael Bostick]

I can't wait. This sounds so up my alley.

[Aaron Lichey]

Really good.

[Michael Bostick]

That's my new drink.

[Abe Lichey]

It's the drink of choice for young parents in particular. That's how I look at it, where it's like, you're gonna go out and be social.

[Aaron Lichey]

You can still have a morning. I had vodka because in my book, I have blue cheese stuffed vodka martinis, and I die for a martini, and I have yet to discover how to make Mezcal Martini. Like, dirty martini. You just kind of can't make it. I died the next day. Like, when I tell you I was so hungover, it never happens to me. Like, I'm usually fine.

[Abe Lichey]

I haven't seen you like that.

[Aaron Lichey]

I died. I had to get an iv. I had a full, like, week. It was so bad. I drink my skull. I'm completely fine. It's like a wild thing. It's a wild thing.

[Abe Lichey]

There's no sugar. It's got the lowest glycemic index of spirits.

[Aaron Lichey]

It's a probiotic.

[Abe Lichey]

It's one of the lowest calorie spirits.

[Aaron Lichey]

It's, like, wild.

[Abe Lichey]

And. And you have diversity of taste because you can have different species. It's like wines where, you know, most. Most people in the United States will drink primarily espadine the species. But as you get more into the category. It's a whole world of different species.

[Aaron Lichey]

That it's really fun.

[Abe Lichey]

It's really interesting. It's kind of a fun endeavor.

[Michael Bostick]

It almost has a vibration and a frequency that it's alive. Really, when you guys explain it.

[Aaron Lichey]

Totally. And we're also so passionate about it. It's also. If you look at the trends of the way that people are looking at alcohol, it's the same thing that happened with food. People are becoming more mindful about where their food comes from. People care about organic, non organic, organic. Same thing with alcohol. It shouldn't be that people go to a bar and say, vodka soda, tequila soda, what kind? What are you putting in there? And we're just conditioned to do that. But as people start discovering more about what's in the product, they become more educated and they start knowing what they're putting in their body.

[Michael Bostick]

I'm ordering mezcal tonight and I am going to report back. Polo Bar. Do they have it?

[Aaron Lichey]

Do they have good. I think they have good Mezcal.

[Michael Bostick]

Can we get your Mascal?

[Aaron Lichey]

They have beta.

[Abe Lichey]

No, don't get Vida.

[Aaron Lichey]

Why not?

[Abe Lichey]

I'll give you Siete Mysterios is a good one.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah, that is good.

[Michael Bostick]

What's yours? Where can we find yours?

[Abe Lichey]

Ours is available online, obviously. If you're not in the Northeast. Mescalum.com. but out here, I mean, New York City, everywhere.

[Michael Bostick]

Everywhere.

[Abe Lichey]

A ton of restaurants, bars.

[Michael Bostick]

What's your favorite restaurant that we can go get it here?

[Aaron Lichey]

Probably St. Theo's or American Bar.

[Abe Lichey]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lichey]

Okay.

[Abe Lichey]

Or she's a cocktail there.

[Lauren Everts]

What are your top three? Go to, like, regular recurring places that you guys go and eat out here.

[Aaron Lichey]

We love Il Canton Ore we go there a lot.

[Michael Bostick]

You went there on the show, didn't you? I think.

[Abe Lichey]

Where do we go out? I don't even. I don't even know where I go anymore.

[Aaron Lichey]

I kind of think he just shows up. He doesn't make any money. We like Polo Bar.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. Fried olives.

[Aaron Lichey]

I like Shea Margot Fried olives.

[Michael Bostick]

I've never been to Shea Margot.

[Aaron Lichey]

You guys would like it.

[Abe Lichey]

It's a little members club. I think I would like it because I thought it'd be too douchey. But it's like just the level of douche.

[Aaron Lichey]

It's the right level of douche. Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

Like a flick of douche is okay.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah, it's just a little. There's always going to be a flick of douche in New York.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lichey]

You can also go non douchey.

[Michael Bostick]

What's the best advice Andy Cohen's ever given you?

[Aaron Lichey]

Well, he told me not to read the comments, and I said, it's good advice, but, you know, I'm going to read the comments. Don't read them now. I stopped. But in the beginning, you. Everyone doesn't.

[Michael Bostick]

You want to get a pulse check, but then get out of there.

[Aaron Lichey]

That is the best advice.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, get out of there. You don't also, you don't want to read the positive or the negative because you don't want to. Like, you don't want your ego inflated.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

It's a dance.

[Lauren Everts]

We've covered a lot of ground.

[Michael Bostick]

Come together. So excited to have you guys.

[Abe Lichey]

Dear media, do you guys love it?

[Lauren Everts]

Love having you. We're gonna get you guys all. You said you want to dial in the home studio. We're gonna have an office out here. Studio.

[Aaron Lichey]

Oh, they can help us set up.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

We come and set up the whole thing for you.

[Abe Lichey]

Great. Yeah, I've got the equipment, but the layout needs.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

Of everything. We've done a couple and I would like to drink your mezcal on an episode sometime. Like, I think that would be fun to drink it on the show.

[Aaron Lichey]

No.

[Lauren Everts]

Next time we come back, we'll get together socially.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

You guys are great. So much fun to have you on a mic. Thank you so much. Where can everyone say hi to you guys?

[Aaron Lichey]

Socials. Aaron, Dana, Lychee, Abe Lychee.

[Michael Bostick]

And go shop their Mezcal and try our Mezcal Tequila.

[Lauren Everts]

And yes. Check out the pod.

[Aaron Lichey]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

Very important. Turn this one off and go right to that one.

[Michael Bostick]

You guys are great.

[Lauren Everts]

Thank you, guys.