Michael Bostick (2:05)

Out the whole time? Probably. Everyone just stop listening now.

Ryan (2:09)

I feel like you're one of the only people that will understand this. So we had to repaint our house. Like, like what is it like? We had to get some fix ups.

Lauren Everts (2:20)

Just needed a paint job. It was like, just needed like the inside walls. Yeah.

Ryan (2:24)

Yeah. And So I, I DM'd. I should have DM'd you too. I DM'd Ryan from Test My Home and I was like, send me which paints are acceptable because paint is disgusting. And if you're pregnant and you have a two year old and a five year Old. Like, I just didn't want to be crazy. So he sent me the four acceptable brands, which I think would pass the organic bunny test probably. And I sent it to the person painting my house. And so yesterday I'm like, at my house, they're painting, which I don't know why you booked it.

Lauren Everts (2:53)

Well, it was a touch up job, like in one bathroom, off to the corner.

Ryan (2:56)

So then I looked at the paint and it wasn't on the list.

Michael Bostick (3:01)

I can't.

Ryan (3:02)

What would you do?

Michael Bostick (3:02)

Burn the house down. Burn the house?

Ryan (3:06)

See, my reaction was tame compared to her.

Lauren Everts (3:09)

Please don't burn the house down.

Michael Bostick (3:10)

I burned. No, I can't see you.

Ryan (3:13)

You would freak out, right?

Michael Bostick (3:14)

Oh, yeah. We're in an app. Like, if you even heard my life, you would just. Your life would be a breeze.

Lauren Everts (3:19)

I am gonna hear your life right now. We're gonna do it.

Michael Bostick (3:21)

The renovation project we're in is like three years. We don't have a whole front of the house because of the stuff like that. Every step of the way, you're just like micromanaging adult babies that don't care.

Ryan (3:32)

Well, it's not even a. It's. It's the pushback of people just being like, it's not a big deal. Exactly. And you're like, but it is to me.

Michael Bostick (3:39)

Yeah. No.

Ryan (3:40)

What's the renovation process with you guys? Like, that is scary. To try to build a home for you guys. I would be scared.

Michael Bostick (3:46)

Well, we're not building a home. We, you know, we are from San Diego, do dog rescue in China. So I knew Covid was going to be bad. We knew how bad it was. It was shutting everything down. So I'm like, they're talking about, like, vaccinating everyone, locking things down. Like, we gotta go somewhere where we can just be left alone. So we literally found a house on the Internet, bought it, and moved to Washington. We had never been there. I don't like Washington. I really don't want to live in Washington. But it was a huge house. We have six dogs, so it was a couple acres. Leave us alone. We just kind of went and just in our own bubble till Covid was over.

Lauren Everts (4:22)

And you're still there?

Michael Bostick (4:23)

Yes.

Ryan (4:23)

But you're renovating a house?

Michael Bostick (4:25)

Well, now we're trapped there because the house we bought was from this guy who built it himself. And apparently in Washington that's legal to do. So if you wanted to just build a house, you can just go build a house. Literally go to Home Depot and buy supplies and build a house. So it's completely different than California, So we learned painful lessons. So, yeah, I have Lyme disease.

Lauren Everts (4:45)

Well, California, you can't build anything until. By the time you get permanent, you'll take. It'll be five.

Ryan (4:49)

Do you have Lyme's disease?

Michael Bostick (4:50)

Yes. So I have Lyme disease. So everything had to be even more extreme because mold makes me even more sick. So, yeah, the whole outside of the house had to be demoed off because the stucco. Who builds a house in Washington was stucco, first of all. Like, that's so dumb. So why.

Ryan (5:06)

I don't know about it. I don't know anything about that.

Michael Bostick (5:08)

Well, stucco was, like, porous. It's just thin stucco. So apparently you're not supposed to use that material, so.

Ryan (5:13)

Okay.

Michael Bostick (5:13)

Okay, great. Demo off the whole side of the house. I'm trying to think of a short version, not waste everyone's earballs. Demo the whole house. Contractor's a nightmare. Same thing as you, just doesn't care. Almost ran our dogs over three, you know, three different times. Driving while they're outside. Wrong materials, put in the wrong windows, door. I mean, literally anything you could think of that went wrong has. So we're in a complete stop because we're in a dispute with them.

Ryan (5:36)

This is what happens. He was saying he wants to build a house. You gotta. It's a lot of work, huh?

Michael Bostick (5:40)

You'll be at least five years.

Lauren Everts (5:43)

Well, we're in Texas.

Michael Bostick (5:44)

Yeah. I mean, if you can find a contractor you trust, maybe, but I don't know.

Lauren Everts (5:49)

Listen, I lived. I came from California. We actually built a medical building one time in Escondido.

Ryan (5:53)

How long did it take?

Lauren Everts (5:54)

It took five years for the fucking permit.

Michael Bostick (5:56)

Exactly.

Lauren Everts (5:57)

And then. And the tenant was the partner.

Michael Bostick (5:59)

Yeah.

Lauren Everts (5:59)

I had led that project and I just like. I mean, that was the last. I mean, not to shit all over California all the time. But I was like, why? Like, who the hell gets anything done over here? I think in Texas, you can apply for permits in 30 days, and if 30 days they haven't gone back to, you can start building.

Ryan (6:12)

After everything with your background, Amanda. Which we're going to get into.

Michael Bostick (6:16)

Yeah.

Ryan (6:17)

What has been the most shocking thing that you have discovered that blew your mind?

Michael Bostick (6:23)

I think how bad Botox really is. So I don't know if most people know it, but it's the most toxic substance on earth. So that's just kind of crazy that over the years we've been conditioned to think it's okay. They actually. I don't know if you know, but when they first discovered what Is it Bot Chillinum, main ingredient of Botox that's so toxic, they actually used it for war. So I don't know if you knew that. So it.

Lauren Everts (6:47)

In what capacity?

Michael Bostick (6:48)

So they just. In aerosol form just. Well, they never actually used it, but they were studying to use it. So there is conflicting reports. Some say they did start using it.

Lauren Everts (6:57)

But to injure or to kill. Like, to kill.

Michael Bostick (6:59)

And so they inhale. You inhale it and it paralyzes your lungs. You can't breathe. You die. So. And people. Women are dying. Women and men are dying from it, literally stopping their breathing. So I think just. I knew Botox was bad. I'm 41. You know, you're starting to age and you want to get those things, you know. And then I just. With my Lyme disease, especially when you're immune compromised, you really. It's like, kind of hard to know. So I had to accept that I wasn't getting it and kind of make peace with it. But then you find out things like that, and you're just like, wow, that's. I had no idea it was used for war. And it. Even if you go to the CDC website right now, it's a category A bioterrorism risk or something insane.

Ryan (7:39)

Decide to be a bloodhound and investigate something. How does that work?

Michael Bostick (7:44)

It's really just curiosity. It's not that I'm like, afraid of the ingredients. I feel like I'm kind of similar to you. Like, I just want to know the truth. And then I'm going to decide, you know, is this worth it or not? Because I do plenty of things that aren't good for me, you know? So it's really just a curiosity. I want to know what it is. I want to know the truth. I want to know both sides. This is the bad, this is the good, and I'll make my decision. So it's really just a strong curiosity. And I feel like we never get the truth of anything. So I really just always looking for the truth.

Lauren Everts (8:13)

When did you realize you could build a brand around looking into these toxins and chemicals and ingredients and products for.

Michael Bostick (8:19)

When I first started, it was honestly just. Again, I wanted to share information. I've been like a true teller since I was a kid. I got kicked out of Girl Scouts for telling some girl that her mom was a smoker. So I've always just been like, oh, do you know this you? You know, just a big loud mouth, just telling everyone the truth. So I've always. It's always just been my Personality. So I started the organic Bunny page because I was learning about organic food and, like, how organic had a number on a sticker at the grocery store and, like, the other ones weren't organic. And I was like, what do you mean? Like, So I was just like. Felt like I had to just share the truth. And I went through a period of where I would literally go to everyone's page and be like, do you know what that. And then I was like, okay, that doesn't work. These people don't care. They don't want to hear from me. So I was like, I'm going to start sharing my tips on my own page, and people that want them can have them. And so, yeah, it really just started as I was working for a footwear company at the time. So I was doing marketing for a footwear company in San Diego, doing that on the side. And it was really just. I had no clue that it was gonna become a business at all.

Ryan (9:20)

So what are some products that you think our audience would think are healthy that are just not.

Michael Bostick (9:26)

God. I was looking at Sephora Clean just to kind of prep for this because I just hired a new photographer and she was telling me her favorite product is the pharmacy brand.

Ryan (9:37)

And if that's a convenient name, too. Cause it's Spel. Fa fa R. Yeah.

Michael Bostick (9:42)

No, like, literally go to the Sephora website and it's. First of all, it's under clean. So automatically the consumer thinks this product is good for me. But if you look at the way they advertise, it's so alarming. There's green leaves everywhere. Papaya. The name Pharmacy. The product's name is. What was it like? Clean Green Balm. Clean Green Cleansing Balm. So there again, they're training your brain that this is a clean, green, natural cleansing balm. Okay? Then you go down, and if you literally go to the Sephora website right now, you'll see it. It goes 100%. It was like the dumbest fact ever. It was like 100% no poor, clogged, or like something. But that's to trick your brain to thinking it's 100% natural when they flash the 100%. So, yeah, I looked at the ingredients. It was like plastic, all this petroleum. So it's. I mean, I hate to see everything, but it's literally really bad. That's why I created my business just to. People can come and they know that I'm not letting it through the doors. And if I do, I will tell them, like, you know, the nail polish, I carry it's not clean, it's cleaner. And I'm very transparent about that. And I think people appreciate that because then you can decide.

Lauren Everts (10:52)

So you just want to be able to give people the information so they can make the decision in an informed way. Yes, I think that's like the biggest thing. You know, I've been outspoken about being excited about Bobby Kennedy coming in because I think it's one of the first times people are start in this country for a long time, are starting to really, like, pay attention to health and ingredients and what we ingest and what's in our food and all sorts of. We're not gonna go down a rabbit hole. But, you know, I think, like, the frustration and even doing this show and talking to people like yourself, when we get a ton of information and even we're still confused all the time. So I imagine if somebody's not informed and they're just walking up and down the stores or they're going on a website, like, how are you supposed to know?

Michael Bostick (11:27)

There is no way. And I feel like I've always thought, like, do I make like a little course for how to learn ingredients? Like, no, no one has time for that. No one wants to do that. No one wants to look up what a dem. What's dimethicone? What is the risk? It's so exh. And then you have sites that are trying to do better for you, and you still can't trust those either.

Lauren Everts (11:44)

So, like, what about the ewg?

Michael Bostick (11:46)

I was just gonna say the EWG scores, last time I checked, polyethylene, which is plastic, they scored a one. I don't want plastic in anything. So I don't agree with that score. So the score, you think that score.

Lauren Everts (11:57)

Should be a zero?

Michael Bostick (11:58)

No, it should be high or a 10.

Lauren Everts (11:59)

Sorry, they score.

Michael Bostick (12:00)

I mean, not a 10. I'd have to, like, really, you know, think about it.

Lauren Everts (12:02)

But you think it should be. So you feel like the score is not as severe as it should be.

Michael Bostick (12:06)

In that case, no. And the problem with those sites is it is a business. And I don't want to, like, trash the ewg cause they're still doing good work. But it is a business. So if you have a brand, you can pay for your brand to be assessed by them. And if, say, you contain titanium dioxide but another brand hasn't been reviewed, they get a worse score. So you can kind of pay to provide your source. And so now the customer sees it's just very confusing. And like, I don't know how anyone has time for that. So I do it for you.

Ryan (12:36)

What's the truth about perfume and cologne? Let it rip.

Michael Bostick (12:39)

Well, I mean, you know, I feel like you guys have talked about it a little bit on the show, but it's a hormone disruptor. So it's also. If you want to know, the number one most toxic ingredient in your home for your pets is fragrance. And what's bad is our dog's noses are 10,000 to up to 100,000 times more sensitive. So you're poor and you have little tiny dogs, and you know they're sniffing these. Even if you have like a hair gel or something with fragrance, or maybe you took. Just took a shower with a body wash that has fragrance, well, now the room is full of fragrance. So fragrance is probably the. The worst ingredient, I think, because it's everywhere. We're just living in a cloud of fragrance. So if people can do one thing, it's just. It's as hard because it's like every product.

Ryan (13:24)

I find it insulting when you can smell someone from across the room. It's almost like you're in my space. Do you know what I mean? Like, it feels invasive. It's. It's. I don't need to smell you from across the room. It's too much.

Michael Bostick (13:38)

I just got a new shirt the other day. And, you know, they spray the clothing with perfume too, right? Do you ever buy something and you smell it and it's just like, it was just from Revolve. It was like a little lacy top. It just reeked like perfume. And I used to think someone tried it on and returned it. But no, what they do is they have to spray the clothing with all these insecticides and herbicides or whatever, all this material to like, cover the formaldehyde type of stuff to preserve them when they ship it. So those stink. So to cover the stink, they cover it in perfumes and fragrances.

Ryan (14:09)

So what do you do when that happens? You send it back.

Michael Bostick (14:11)

I. I went on the chat and I was like, if I wash this and it doesn't come out, like, can I just return? And they were like, sure. It didn't come out, but I'm probably too lazy to return it.

Ryan (14:19)

Is there a perfume or a fragrance that you like that is approved by Organic Bunny?

Michael Bostick (14:24)

I brought you some samples today.

Ryan (14:25)

Which is what?

Michael Bostick (14:26)

There's a couple brands. So in my store, I only allow 100% natural. So there's problems with even clean perfume brands because they still use synth. But that doesn't mean even when they say it's a clean synthetic that's not always the case. So I only allow 100% natural. So then, you know, it's. The entire formula is natural. So Hair Tick is a brand, but their whole line's not natural. So I go through and I pick.

Ryan (14:50)

Yeah. This is why I like. This is why I like her page. It's like, she's not gonna be like, your brand is great if there's not specific things.

Michael Bostick (14:57)

So it's called.

Ryan (14:58)

The perfume you like is called Hair Tick.

Michael Bostick (15:00)

The brand is called Heretic. Yes, but only their natural ones.

Ryan (15:02)

And what does it smell like?

Michael Bostick (15:03)

I brought you guys some.

Ryan (15:04)

Okay. And he can wear it, too. Y. Okay. Because it's funny when you cut it out, you're really sensitive.

Michael Bostick (15:11)

Oh, yeah?

Ryan (15:11)

Why does that happen?

Michael Bostick (15:12)

I don't know. I mean, just like you said, you don't have it in your system, and then you have it. It's even the shirt. I like, went to him, and I was like.

Ryan (15:20)

He was like, you're like a bloodhound. It turns you into, like, a bloodhound. You're like. I'm like, what's that?

Lauren Everts (15:24)

What it is, is, I think, like. So we had our friend Chervine, who. I don't know if you're familiar with him, but. So he runs Symbiotica with his partners. And he said something on the show years ago that just, like, opened my eyes. He's like, you know, if you body is giving off a poor scent, it's your body signaling to you that something is going on that shouldn't be going on in your body. And what we do is we mask those sense. Ignore those signals. We do the same thing in the house. And our bodies are really good at getting used to ignoring signals like. Like bad signs. Like, if you have bad breath, there's a reason. If you have bad bo, There's a reason not to put anybody on the spot. But I think, like, if you're living in a clean way and you're eating the right foods and ingredients, like, a lot of that stuff just goes, well. Like, I haven't worn deodorant, and probably.

Michael Bostick (16:07)

I feel like one of you said you.

Lauren Everts (16:08)

No, I never. Like, 10 years.

Ryan (16:10)

Both of us don't wear I.

Michael Bostick (16:11)

Some.

Ryan (16:11)

I sometimes, like. I like Agent Nator's deodorant sometimes.

Lauren Everts (16:14)

And listen, if I go crazy and I'm, like, doing something like, where I'm sweating a ton or I'm not sure.

Ryan (16:19)

No, I don't mind it. I've never minded.

Lauren Everts (16:20)

But the point is, is, like, I don't have. I don't care because I live in a clean way. Like, that's not a huge issue for me. And I think, like, if you're needing a lot of that all the time, it's, like, likely because your body's trying to signal, like, hey, maybe you need to make a change.

Ryan (16:31)

But we do need to have an intervention on him.

Michael Bostick (16:33)

What is he. I brought him. I brought him hair. Hair paste.

Lauren Everts (16:36)

Oh, good fucking.

Ryan (16:38)

Thank you. This guy. The only toxic thing in my house is underneath his cabinet. It is 20 bottles of this hair paste, and then he has the worst hair spray ever on the planet. And he sprays.

Lauren Everts (16:52)

I don't use the hairspray, though. Like a.

Ryan (16:53)

Like this. A porcupine in my bathroom.

Michael Bostick (16:56)

Lauren, Lauren.

Ryan (16:57)

It's going everywhere.

Lauren Everts (16:59)

I've literally watched people show up with a paint gun that I would use on an automobile to give you a spray tan. Okay, I don't want.

Ryan (17:07)

I go outside.

Lauren Everts (17:08)

I literally.

Michael Bostick (17:09)

I have an organic formula.

Lauren Everts (17:10)

What kind of makeup are you wearing?

Ryan (17:12)

Yeah, well, the makeup. I'm not saying I'm perfect. No, no, we're just talking about you right now.

Lauren Everts (17:17)

I have to have a couple. Listen, this hair is wild.

Kyle (17:20)

It's amazing, actually.

Ryan (17:21)

What's the hairpast you brought him?

Lauren Everts (17:22)

If you got good hairpins.

Michael Bostick (17:23)

Have you heard of Jack Henry?

Ryan (17:25)

No.

Lauren Everts (17:26)

Wait, is it like a clay kind of thing? Is it like, kind of like a black top with an orange.

Ryan (17:30)

No, that's Volcano.

Lauren Everts (17:32)

I use a super clean product for our son's hair.

Ryan (17:34)

But not for yours?

Lauren Everts (17:35)

Well, mine's a little.

Michael Bostick (17:36)

I don't know if you'll like it.

Ryan (17:37)

He gets in bed, Amanda. He doesn't take a shower. The other day I go, are you gonna take a shower? Do you know what I started doing in the morning? I wake up, take the pillowcases off and wash them and put them back on.

Michael Bostick (17:47)

Wow.

Lauren Everts (17:47)

I've literally seen you lay in our sheets with the spray tan, and it looks like somebody sprayed caramel all over the sheets. Don't. I'm. I will call you.

Ryan (17:55)

Can't all be perfect.

Lauren Everts (17:56)

Yeah, I will call you out. You look like you went through a paint booth in a fucking.

Ryan (18:00)

You know, Amanda's gonna give me a new.

Lauren Everts (18:02)

Somebody shows up with a giant tent, and they're like, you know.

Michael Bostick (18:05)

Yeah, yeah, I know. I used to work for a spray tan company, so I inhaled all that.

Lauren Everts (18:09)

They go, oh, it's the clean one. I'm like, I don't think that's clean. It smells.

Michael Bostick (18:11)

It's probably not. They all lie.

Ryan (18:13)

So what Tell us about the hair.

Lauren Everts (18:14)

Paste moving on pretty quick now.

Michael Bostick (18:16)

Oh, well, we can bust it out. I don't know if you're gonna like it.

Lauren Everts (18:20)

Let's see it. I will.

Michael Bostick (18:21)

Listen, if it works, he's been Bald for about 10 years ago.

Lauren Everts (18:24)

I was gonna say, I was gonna.

Michael Bostick (18:25)

Ask your husband, but he's so jealous of your hair.

Ryan (18:28)

Oh my God.

Michael Bostick (18:29)

Even he talks about your hair.

Lauren Everts (18:31)

Yeah, but listen, man, you've got a good bald head.

Ryan (18:33)

Yeah, you do got a good.

Lauren Everts (18:34)

Like you can pull it off. If I did that, oh, I. I.

Ryan (18:37)

Would look like he was bald. I'd be like, I got a small head.

Lauren Everts (18:40)

I think my mom tried to squeeze me.

Michael Bostick (18:42)

He has no choice. That's just his bald head.

Lauren Everts (18:45)

No, but you got a good bald head.

Ryan (18:47)

Some guys can rock, worry about, pace. Do well though in your bed.

Michael Bostick (18:50)

Nope.

Ryan (18:50)

Okay, this is the paste.

Michael Bostick (18:51)

Give it to them.

Lauren Everts (18:52)

Okay, let me see. Let's see.

Michael Bostick (18:54)

It's called hair clay.

Ryan (18:56)

Jack Henry.

Lauren Everts (18:57)

Oh, somebody mentioned. Did maybe Allison mentioned this to me from Branch Basics. Maybe.

Michael Bostick (19:01)

Oh, maybe. Yeah.

Ryan (19:02)

This is great ingredients.

Michael Bostick (19:03)

Yes. I mean, amazing.

Lauren Everts (19:05)

See though, like I need like a. Like I'll try this, but I need like a paste, you know, because this.

Ryan (19:09)

Is like, that's a paste.

Lauren Everts (19:10)

This is like a clay.

Michael Bostick (19:11)

Well, they also make a paste. That one is a heavier one. So I picked that one from last.

Ryan (19:16)

I think you need to say thank you and switch off.

Lauren Everts (19:17)

Thank you very much. I will try this and I'll look into the brand and if you like it, listen, if it works, I'll make the switch tomorrow. Wow. I just haven't found anything. That's weird.

Michael Bostick (19:23)

Try it. I don't know if it will work because I.

Ryan (19:25)

They also have a paste though too. Okay, I'm going to buy the pace.

Michael Bostick (19:28)

It's a whole men's line. So a man. They have a really cool. I think they have like studios in maybe Orange County. It's really cool. It's like a men's hair club. So you can go get all the pampering. So if you're ever in Orange county, check it out. Haircuts.

Ryan (19:40)

And it's non toxic.

Michael Bostick (19:41)

Oh yeah. Their fragrances, their new ones, I don't, I don't carry them because those do have safe synthetics. So again, pick and choose. But their line for the most part.

Lauren Everts (19:49)

Is clean when in relation to beauty. Hair products, things that we're using every day. Like what has been the number one or two ingredients that you found that's common across most of these products that you're like this. These are just Terrible.

Michael Bostick (20:01)

Well, it's definitely the fragrance again. I, like, thought about this because then you guys would ask me this, and I was like, fragrance is just such a boring answer. But it's really just in everything.

Ryan (20:09)

Okay.

Michael Bostick (20:10)

Every product in your house, like, I bet I could find. You know, I'd love to go through your. Your. Your bathroom and see and just.

Ryan (20:17)

And just see what's in there.

Michael Bostick (20:18)

Yeah. Because people. People. I mean, the amount of lies I have, people emailing me. Some girl was on a cruise, people, she was on a cruise, and she's like, I'm about to get a facial, and they told me, what is it? Elemis is all organic now. I had to ask you if it, like, literally, she's on her cruise asking me, like, we're best friends, which I don't mind. I love that. But it's just funny because people lie. The lady told them it's all organic. Literally not one organic ingredient in it. So. Yeah. I don't know how anyone gets through life knowing what's clean or not because they're trained with lies. Then no one knows what's going on.

Ryan (20:50)

Here's a question I've always had. If I have a cabinet, like Michael's hair paste cabinet, and it's sitting there.

Lauren Everts (20:59)

Listen, here's the deal we're making on the show. You can go through my hair paste, but I'm going to call you out on your cabinets and your drawers and all your.

Ryan (21:04)

That's what I'm going to do.

Lauren Everts (21:05)

And go through all the beauty stuff.

Ryan (21:06)

Is it off? Gassing?

Michael Bostick (21:09)

I don't know. I don't think so. Because it's contained to a bottle.

Ryan (21:12)

Okay. I always wondered that.

Michael Bostick (21:14)

I'm like, it depends. If it's like an open candle, then yeah. But if it's contained in a jar, I don't think it will. The packaging could ask.

Ryan (21:22)

You're sensitive. And you open the cabinet, though, you will be able to detect it. You know what I mean?

Michael Bostick (21:28)

Yeah. The fragrance.

Lauren Everts (21:29)

What if you're sensitive and everything is just piled up in your sink like you ladies like to do?

Ryan (21:34)

I like to pile things in my sink.

Michael Bostick (21:35)

Really?

Ryan (21:36)

I'm a sink piler. Yeah.

Michael Bostick (21:37)

What do you mean?

Ryan (21:38)

Like, I don't want it on my vanity, and if I don't have time, I throw it in the sink, think, oh, wow, I'll show everyone a picture. I'd love for you to come over and check out the bathroom, mess everything up and then clean it up.

Michael Bostick (21:48)

Yeah, I like just a mess.

Ryan (21:50)

She's just a mess. You could have just a mess.

Michael Bostick (21:52)

I think you should come over to.

Lauren Everts (21:53)

Our bathroom, because I feel like I'm getting a lot of. And I want you to see what's going on over here.

Ryan (21:57)

I want to really dive into pet care because I don't think people realize what's happening. My first question is, what shampoo and conditioner do you recommend for the pets?

Michael Bostick (22:07)

Yes. So I only have one brand that I've ever posted that I like, and it is by Olivia. So I don't know if you know their body wash. It's. What's cool about their brand is it's all a prebiotic formula. So it's really actually good for their skin. Unlike every other shampoo on the market. Burt's Bees, all these other ones, Scouts, I think is one. I don't know. They pretend they're clean, but it's just a bunch of synthetic chemicals that they mix with fragrance. And you're really not doing anything for the dog's actual microbiome. So, yeah, Olivia makes one. It's called. I think it's like a prebiotic pet wash.

Ryan (22:39)

Okay.

Michael Bostick (22:39)

It doesn't say by Olivia. It's in my store. I forget, like, the. Is it just like a prebiotic pet wash? I'm, like, talking to my husband on it.

Ryan (22:47)

No, though I'm gonna go look at that. I'm gonna go buy that.

Michael Bostick (22:50)

There's lavender and unscented. It's the best. So it's not gonna sud. It's not gonna lather. So people don't like that, but you don't need it to. And it's so good for their skin. And their coat just balances out if there's any, like, rashes or irritations. Really good for their skin. Feeds their skin, and it makes their hair so soft. Cause it's got coconut oil, and I think it's like, seven. All organic ingredients, so.

Ryan (23:10)

So I'm buying that. Our dogs sleep with us.

Michael Bostick (23:14)

Yes.

Ryan (23:14)

And we take them on walks. And I always think, like, okay, we're. We're walking over, like, petroleum and oil and, like, you mentioned, off air, like the lawn care. Can you really go off on that and explain how it's getting stuck in their paws and their nails?

Michael Bostick (23:29)

Yeah. Well, and it's just. I mean, imagine everything that's on the ground. There's parasites, there's mold, there's bacteria, there's pollen, viruses again. And then, you know, I was telling you, there is now a 70% increase risk in lymphoma cancer for dogs because of these lawn chemicals. So what's hard about. Pretty much everything we're talking about today is you can't see it. So it's just not real to people until like something happens. And so I think it's 1 in 2 or 1 in 3, depends on who you ask. A risk of cancer in our dogs. Dogs are dying of cancer left and right. So we have to start evaluating their environments like we're evaluating our own. And because we know they're a sense scents is so much more sensitive than ours. Even more so. Like the fragrances. If you love your dog, literally get the Febreze the plugins out. So anyways, pause. So yeah, you take your dog on a walk. It's walking through your neighbor's lawn. And what if your neighbor is using pesticides and you don't know. But here's a tip on how you can look. Do their lawns have weeds? So that's a really easy way. If their lawn is like meticulous green and manicured with no weeds, that's a high probability that they are spraying pesticides on there. City parks, golf courses, resorts. If you go to a nice resort that is covered in pesticides, so you're going to use something like the hypochlorous acid paw cleanser from Organic Bunny for Pets. And what's cool about that is it actually breaks down the pesticides to remove it off.

Ryan (24:59)

So do you. When I spray it on my dog's paws, which I'm spraying every night before they get into bed.

Michael Bostick (25:03)

Yeah.

Ryan (25:04)

Do I wipe it off or do I just leave it?

Michael Bostick (25:06)

Nope.

Ryan (25:07)

So I just spray it on their paws?

Michael Bostick (25:08)

Yep. It's. I think it says like just spray and go.

Ryan (25:11)

What about their nose? Can I spray it on their nose?

Michael Bostick (25:13)

What? In like what way?

Ryan (25:15)

I don't know. Their nose is like in the poo. It's smelling the poo. It's smelling.

Michael Bostick (25:18)

I don't know.

Ryan (25:19)

It's up each other's like. You know what I mean? It's a lot with the nose.

Michael Bostick (25:23)

I'd have to ask since the nose is so like porous and I don't.

Ryan (25:26)

Know because I sprayed the hypochlorous acid in my mouth sometimes.

Michael Bostick (25:32)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've done that.

Ryan (25:33)

I bet you can.

Michael Bostick (25:34)

Yeah, you can. There's different parts per million ver. Billion and all that stuff. So there are different.

Lauren Everts (25:39)

Before we go fully down the rabbit.

Ryan (25:40)

Hole though, I have a hundred rabbit hole questions. Sorry, guys.

Lauren Everts (25:43)

For somebody who is finally becoming interested in this topic, like for us it was like a slow, like we got, you know, first it was the cleaning supplies, and it was the cooking supply. Now it's like the whole house is clean. But it's. Again, it's been years of us going down.

Ryan (25:56)

No, I still have work to do.

Lauren Everts (25:57)

And the way I always explain it to people, once you become informed and you realize there's healthier, cleaner alternatives, like, why would you. Once you have the information, it's actually an easy decision to make. But for somebody who's just starting to explore this and they're starting to be like, huh, I'm gonna look at some labels. Like, what are the big things that are red flags on labels that they should look for outside of, you know, we've talked about fragrance. What else?

Michael Bostick (26:18)

Well, everyone knows parabens, so brands know we don't like parabens. So now they're moving to phenoxyethanol. So phenoxy ethanol is a big one. It's not as bad as parabens, but similar type of ingredient preservative with R risks. It does have some links to cancer because of an ingredient that it's made with. It leaves behind traces of carcinogens. So definitely parabens, phenoxyethanol. So if I were to go to Sephora and I want to tell you guys, if you want to pick up a product and you want to just know right away if it's clean or not, makeup, you can look for synthetic dyes. So it's going to say like Red Lake 7 or whatever the number. I only allow mineral pigments in my store and iron oxide. So like actual colors from nature. So you can look for synthetic dyes that will say like red in a color, which is pretty much all of Sephora. I should. I need to go through Sephora's whole website and see if there's any that aren't. But even the brands like Ilia Tarte, they're all using synthetic dyes. Those have links to heavy metals. They're made from petroleum, black, coal, tar. Just nasty. So I won't use any synthetic dyes. So that's an easy one to look for. The phenoxyethanol fragrance is a big one. And even though I've talked about it so much, if you pick up a product and you see fragrance and there's no star noting natural, like it should say star 100% natural or from natural sources. If it just says fragrance or parfume, no, put it down. And just because you know what else? So those are the biggest ones. BHT is in Summer Friday's lip balm. It's just another not good one. So yeah, I'd say it's bht. It's just another preservative with links to disrupting the endocrine system. They're kind of all the same, they're just not good chemicals. So yeah, I would look for bht parabens, fragrance dyes.

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Kyle (31:39)

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Lauren Everts (33:11)

So you don't like anything if it's not fully natural from.

Michael Bostick (33:16)

No, I'll use, I use some, some things that are synthetic. Like you have to have preservatives.

Lauren Everts (33:21)

But it just won't get a. It won't get like a clean, a full clean, a bill of health from you unless it's fully clean. I'm just trying to understand. I'm not.

Michael Bostick (33:30)

You mean fully natural?

Lauren Everts (33:31)

Yeah.

Michael Bostick (33:31)

No, I use things that are synthetic all the time.

Lauren Everts (33:34)

But, but what will make it onto your store and say like what? Like. I guess what I'm asking is what are the. Like what are the things?

Ryan (33:40)

What's the funnel?

Lauren Everts (33:40)

Yeah, what's the funnel? Where it's like, nope, can't make it, sorry.

Michael Bostick (33:43)

Well, yeah, synthetic fragrance, synthetic dyes, preservative systems that I don't like. Harsh preservatives, the phenoxy ethanol, parabens, the BHD polysorbates, pegs, anything petroleum derived plastics. Polyethylene is a big one to look for too. Like I said, it's in the pharmacy cleansing balm. Like it just doesn't need to have plastic in it.

Lauren Everts (34:07)

So do brands reach out to you? And I'm just like walking through this with you because we're just meeting and say like well we're like 95% and because of that we should be included and. Or is it like do they not even bother at this point?

Ryan (34:19)

I feel like you're the curator.

Michael Bostick (34:21)

Yeah, I mean they try. Honestly, like I don't do sponsored posts. I don't really like. I barely read my emails so it's mostly me just like, oh, someone posted that they like this. Is that clean? Oh, it is clean. So I'll add it.

Ryan (34:33)

Is it Woo in your store?

Michael Bostick (34:34)

Yeah.

Ryan (34:34)

Yes.

Michael Bostick (34:35)

Yeah.

Ryan (34:35)

Woo's in the store.

Lauren Everts (34:36)

Woo.

Ryan (34:37)

The lube made it in your store.

Lauren Everts (34:39)

There's only four ingredients.

Michael Bostick (34:40)

Yeah.

Ryan (34:40)

I've had three babies off that lube. That lube, you can eat it, lick it, suck it, fuck it.

Michael Bostick (34:46)

Yep.

Ryan (34:47)

Kyle's in the corner.

Michael Bostick (34:49)

Like.

Ryan (34:49)

Yeah, it's great.

Michael Bostick (34:50)

Yeah.

Lauren Everts (34:50)

No, but. Okay, so I know. I'm just trying to understand the funnel. And so when, you know, when you. When you're curating your store, is it just like.

Michael Bostick (34:57)

You know, I go through each label and it depends. There's no.

Lauren Everts (35:00)

There's no bias. It's just kind of like that's what's cool.

Ryan (35:02)

It's like she can be a gauge.

Michael Bostick (35:04)

And sometimes I'll make little exceptions. Like, you know, if it's like a glycol, like, that's not my favorite ingredient. But if that's the only bad thing in it, it's better than the alternative. So, you know, I carry cleaner gel polish. Nothing about that's clean or natural. It's just cleaner. And I brought you a red.

Ryan (35:20)

I heard that a lot of gel polish gives you rashes with Helmum. What's it called?

Michael Bostick (35:25)

I don't know what that is.

Ryan (35:26)

Something with an H. But it seems.

Lauren Everts (35:28)

Like there's some products that require some of these in order to be a product, or else they, like, they just wouldn't exist.

Michael Bostick (35:32)

Yes, exactly. Nail polish is one of them. Dry shampoo is really hard because the aerosols in them are, you know, gas flammable gas that we spray all around us. Anything aerosol. So your hair, your aerosol hairspray. I haven't found one that's clean.

Lauren Everts (35:47)

I don't have hairspray right now.

Kyle (35:48)

Lauren just makes it.

Ryan (35:48)

I once rented a house for a month, and I went in the house and I went, oh, yeah, what's that smell?

Michael Bostick (35:55)

No.

Ryan (35:56)

And in every single outlet in the entire house was a Glade plugin. What? I. Michael, Like, I was like, I.

Lauren Everts (36:07)

Had to have a giant trash bag. I was just. And I kept finding more.

Michael Bostick (36:10)

I would probably leave, honestly. I mean, like, air filters. By the way, your air filter was not on in the lobby.

Lauren Everts (36:17)

Oh, Carson, you're fired. All right, this is the last straw with you, man.

Ryan (36:22)

Good tip. Yeah, tell us about plugins.

Lauren Everts (36:24)

They're just.

Michael Bostick (36:25)

I mean, it's just pure fragrance. It's just like the nastiest thing on the earth. It's just so gross.

Ryan (36:29)

It's the worst thing you can do. Why? People need to know why.

Michael Bostick (36:32)

Well, it's a hormone disruptor. You're inhaling the phthalates. So to stick like, you know that it just sticks. Like even just having that shirt walking down my hallway to the washing machine, Kyle's like, I sniffed your trail because the phthalates in it are just sticking everywhere. And then you inhale those, they go in the body and they're toxic to the body. They disrupt everything, they cause havoc, they disrupt your hormones. You know, they can cause migraines. It's just a disruptor to the body.

Ryan (36:57)

So do you think that women are not getting pregnant because of these things?

Michael Bostick (37:02)

Absolutely. Infertility has links to all of these things. I mean we can get into babies also if you want to. But infertility is absolutely linked to the pfas. So I'm sure you guys have, you guys have talked about that. So all these water resistant products definitely linked to infertility. Anything that's an endocrine disrupting chemical is going to have links to infertility. So that's all of the parabens, the plastics, the candles. Well, the fragrance in the candles.

Lauren Everts (37:31)

What's interesting, I mean, listen, I was, somebody wrote an article about Lauren and I on this show one time and different things get written all the time and I typically don't read it but like one of the things called it like a Woo Woo Wellness. And I was, I'm woo Woo. And you know what I was saying? For the longest time in this country what people have done is they get sick or they have infertility issues or they have hormone issues or they have whatever issues they're having. And they say, I have this issue now, I need to correct it by doing all of these other things. A lot of the times, not great things which we don't have to get into, but it's been rare for people to pause and be like, like, what am I eating?

Ryan (38:07)

Why?

Lauren Everts (38:08)

What are my products? What am I drinking? What am I cleaning with? Like, what am I? And I think what I'm excited about and why I've been vocal is like finally people are saying like, oh, wait a minute, actually all of these ingredients and these foods and in some cases maybe medicines and vaccines should be looked at because it's not normal that we should have all of these conditions in the human experience that aren't natural.

Michael Bostick (38:28)

Right?

Lauren Everts (38:28)

Like we shouldn't be faced with all of these issues that our, you know, ancestors weren't faced with. And I think finally people are starting to Say like, wait, there is a cause and effect. It's not just like a. And then now we're living this way. You know what I mean?

Michael Bostick (38:40)

I don't think people will really believe it until they're affected because it's like, oh, I'm fine. You know, people will say all the time, oh, I. You know, I spray myself down with fragrance and I had a baby just fine. So it's like, things are fine until they're not fine. You know, eventually something will happen and you're going to realize, like, wow, that could be linked. And that's kind of why I got into this. Like, I had a bunch of my own health problems and found out I couldn't have gluten. Then I looked at my. My products. I was like, well, can I have gluten in my products if I, you know? So it took a health scare for me to like, really assess what's going on. So I do feel like, who do you know that's really even healthy anymore? I feel like everyone has things that they're working through. So I think eventually, well, the older you get, you know, you're fine until whatever.

Lauren Everts (39:22)

Yeah. I mean, like, to your point, the body's very resilient.

Michael Bostick (39:24)

Yeah.

Lauren Everts (39:24)

You know, but you bombard it with enough things and one day you're sick and then, you know, I guess, like, the things that I've realized doing this show for as long as we've done is like, you can be healthier if you make healthier decisions and you look at the behaviors and the decisions you're making in your day to day life. How did you figure out that you had Lymes when, like, how did that present itself for you?

Michael Bostick (39:44)

I've just always had health problems and so I just, I mean, just constant testing. So I just did a tick panel and yeah, I came back positive. I was like, oh, I kind of just block it out. I'm kind of like you. Or like, okay, I know I have it, but like, I'm not going to put like Lyme warrior in my bio. I'm not going to make that my identity. Cause it's just not helpful. So I like to be. I listened to your solo episode a couple days ago saying you only want to focus on fertility, but part of that is removing the things that are causing infertility. So I'm like you. I want to know and do better, but I'm not going to focus on that. I have Lyme disease and make it my identity. So, yeah, I have it.

Lauren Everts (40:22)

Do you know how you do you know where you are?

Michael Bostick (40:25)

No. I do think my mom gave it to me because my sister also has Lyme disease, and they say it's very rare to transfer during pregnancy. But I'm pretty convinced because my mom also has multiple sclerosis, and they do believe that that could be Lyme misdiagnosed, which don't get me started, because she just. No, that's. She's not gonna go down that hole. So my theory is that she actually has Lyme disease. Cause my sister also has Lyme disease, and so I have Lyme dis. Lyme disease. So that just makes sense to me. I never had a tick bite. Didn't have, like, the bullseye thing, so I have no idea.

Ryan (40:57)

But maybe you did, and maybe you did have it and you didn't know when you were little.

Michael Bostick (41:01)

Yeah, definitely. Definitely could happen.

Ryan (41:03)

It's very scary. I think how you're handling it, though, is amazing. I had a friend that had hiv, and he told me. He said, I never made it my identity. And he had been alive for, like, 30 years after they told him he was gonna die, and he just never led with it. He told me, like, two years into our friendship, too, and he said, the problem is when you get diagnosed with something and you automatically start identifying, it comes out through your body.

Michael Bostick (41:37)

Kyle doesn't even know I have Lyme disease. He forgets. I'm like, can you not stress me out? I have Lyme disease. I don't need added stress. So I do so much. You would never even know that I have it. Which is probably not good, because stress is not good for it.

Ryan (41:51)

But you've channeled it into something, though, so positive, too. I think that that's important as well. I would like to discuss babies.

Michael Bostick (41:59)

Yeah.

Ryan (42:00)

Formulas, wipes. I got triclosan in my blood from using a huge, huge white brand because it's filled with triclosan. Talk to us about all the baby stuff, wipes.

Michael Bostick (42:12)

I have not found a single baby wipe, so I don't carry a baby wipe. Everyone that I've talked to, because I don't have kids, so I don't, like, go deep into baby stuff. But everyone says the only clean, truly clean option would just be, like, an organic cloth and literally water. So you could probably use the hypochlorous acid on a organic. Organic, like, muslin cloth. But, yeah, wipes. I don't have a good one for you. I'm sure there's better. I'm sure there's better, so I can look into better formula I mean again, I haven't gone down the formula rabbit hole. Breastfed is obviously the gold standard healthy diet for mom. What's actually really crazy is all the studies that show the phthalates and the pfas in newborn babies have. EWG did that study on babies. Did you guys see that one?

Lauren Everts (42:57)

I know what you're talking about.

Michael Bostick (42:58)

Yeah, they tested like a bunch of babies and 100% of the babies had PFAS in their umbilical cord. But why from the mom?

Ryan (43:06)

But what products are. Are amazing. Just a million products, but give us a couple.

Michael Bostick (43:10)

Like is the, the cookware, the non stick cookware, the coffee cups. I've heard you guys talk about the plastic inside the coffee cup to make it not, you know, decompose when it meets hot water. Those are all PFAs. Your long wear foundation, your long wear, your waterproof mascara, any water repellent. So if you. I always see on Instagram these like stain resistant dog beds. No, that's just like PFA bomb. Children's raincoats, repel water, anything that repels water. And there was a big scandal around. I mean you heard the scandal around the workout clothing. What was it? Lululemon leggings.

Ryan (43:46)

Covered like it's getting in our vagina.

Michael Bostick (43:48)

Yeah. Because they're covered in pfas. And PFAS are really scary because. Well, I don't want to say scary to scare people, but they're called forever chemicals because they stan you potentially forever versus phthalates, which is from perfumes. You can excrete those in urine. So like PFAS is the real nasty one.

Ryan (44:05)

So what leggings do you wear? Because fuck Lululemon. Leggings are real good.

Michael Bostick (44:09)

I know.

Ryan (44:09)

What do you wear?

Michael Bostick (44:10)

Organic brands. PAC makes an organic.

Ryan (44:13)

I just ordered their underwear.

Michael Bostick (44:14)

Yeah. Oh, that's my favorite one.

Ryan (44:15)

That's approved by you?

Michael Bostick (44:16)

Yep.

Ryan (44:16)

Do they hold you in? Because I got a lot to hold in right now.

Michael Bostick (44:19)

The underwear?

Ryan (44:20)

No, the legging.

Michael Bostick (44:21)

Like giant food.

Ryan (44:23)

Michael hasn't seen underwear on me for 10 years.

Michael Bostick (44:26)

They actually do.

Ryan (44:27)

I'm not a big underwear wearer.

Michael Bostick (44:29)

They're really actually. Well, depending on which ones you got.

Ryan (44:31)

Okay. Maybe they have maternity. I'm going to get those pack leggings because I love Lululemon.

Michael Bostick (44:36)

Yeah.

Ryan (44:37)

Align leggings.

Michael Bostick (44:37)

I like the pack even better.

Ryan (44:39)

You do?

Michael Bostick (44:39)

Yeah. Cuz it's just like, I don't know, I feel like Lululemon are so aggressive. I don't know. Pack is. It's like a softer but still holds you in. So I Don't know. I think you'll like them.

Ryan (44:49)

Speaking of the vagina.

Michael Bostick (44:51)

Yeah.

Ryan (44:51)

I'm actually releasing this episode in line with something I'm launching for Skinny Confidential. And I can't wait to hear your opinion. So we're launching non toxic toilet paper.

Michael Bostick (45:02)

Oh, wow.

Ryan (45:03)

I'm so passionate about that.

Michael Bostick (45:04)

I literally wanted to do that. That's crazy.

Ryan (45:07)

I'm sending you as much as you have. A lifetime supply.

Michael Bostick (45:09)

Yeah. That's so exciting.

Ryan (45:11)

And I'm so excited because people do not understand what's in toilet paper.

Michael Bostick (45:15)

We travel with it.

Ryan (45:16)

You do?

Michael Bostick (45:17)

Oh, yeah.

Amanda Jo (45:18)

Stop.

Michael Bostick (45:18)

Oh, yeah.

Ryan (45:18)

Pull it out. I don't buy it.

Michael Bostick (45:20)

Yep.

Ryan (45:22)

Stop.

Michael Bostick (45:22)

Oh, yeah. My whole bag is full of, like, Mary Poppins organic.

Ryan (45:26)

You do not travel.

Lauren Everts (45:27)

That's a first of. I've never seen someone bring toilet paper to the studio.

Ryan (45:29)

I like the commitment.

Lauren Everts (45:30)

I mean, I do.

Michael Bostick (45:31)

I mean, it's disgusting once you realize.

Ryan (45:33)

Oh, my God, you guys are so cool.

Lauren Everts (45:35)

Yeah, well, airports. Yeah. I mean, yeah.

Michael Bostick (45:37)

Oh, I mean, but anything.

Ryan (45:38)

Tell us about toilet paper because you're the expert to ask this about. About. And we are wiping our. And our. You aren't wiping anything. Your penis. We're wiping our vaginas with so much toxicity.

Michael Bostick (45:51)

Yeah. Honestly, the toilet paper was like a recent one for me. I didn't even think of it because we were using just bamboo, like, healthier. And then I was white and I was like, how's it white? Oh, my God. We've been using bleached toilet paper this whole freaking time. So. Yeah. I mean, even stuff like that, I'll just like, it just won't even cross your mind because it's just toilet paper used. Think that's. You just live life. That's toilet paper. But yeah, we got. It's. I think it's plant paper and they test for you and heavy metals and all that stuff. So hopefully you guys do that too. That's pretty cool.

Ryan (46:20)

I'm gonna send you a bunch of toilet paper and you guys will have toilet paper for life.

Michael Bostick (46:25)

That's awesome.

Ryan (46:26)

I'm really excited about it because it's something that, like, it's a daily habit that we all do. And there are endocrine disruptors in so many of them. And if you think about it, you're.

Amanda Jo (46:36)

Wiping every single day, all day long here.

Lauren Everts (46:38)

It's interesting. Like, like, you know, a few years I think about myself in this journey and I'm like, in the beginning, you're like, you're resistant.

Ryan (46:45)

You think about yourself.

Lauren Everts (46:46)

But I mean, like, you're Amazing. Because I know, like, how a lot of people are to this because I was one of them. Like, you're resistant to this stuff in the beginning because you're like, what's the big deal? I feel fine. I don't get it. But for me, it's like, okay, if there's a healthier cleaning alternative that does the exact same thing and it serves the same function, if there's a healthier toilet paper, if there's a healthier theater beauty, if they're. Listen, if this hair, if this clay or paste works, no brainer.

Ryan (47:11)

Yeah.

Lauren Everts (47:11)

For me, it's like, you know, why would you not make that choice?

Michael Bostick (47:16)

Because, well, people are going to say price.

Lauren Everts (47:18)

Okay, fine, price. But like, you're. You're not going to care about the price if you're laying sick somewhere later. You know what I mean? Like. Like for me. Or, you know, like, maybe go and cut out a night out at the bar, which let's. We don't even have to get into.

Ryan (47:30)

But you could branch basics is just as the same price as Windex.

Michael Bostick (47:34)

Yeah.

Ryan (47:34)

So this is where I'm like, anyways.

Michael Bostick (47:36)

The point depends on the item.

Lauren Everts (47:37)

I'm not going to try to convince the people that are like, I'd rather be sick than, like, pay a couple. Like, those people are gonna.

Ryan (47:42)

Well, it's interesting. You talk about dogs, and we know someone that, like, three of their. Maybe five of their dogs have gotten cancer.

Michael Bostick (47:50)

Yeah.

Ryan (47:51)

And they use heavy pesticides.

Lauren Everts (47:52)

A lot of the same people that say, oh, I don't want to spend the money on the cleaning supplier also, like, completely fine to go and blow a paycheck bar out on a Saturday night. Right. No. No judgment. But I'm just saying, like, if you want to use the rhetoric. But the point. Point is, is I think for. For me, and why I get excited about these topics on this show is I was one of those people that was resistant, but now I'm like, okay, logically, if there's just better alternatives that serve the same purpose, why would I not make that switch? Like, I'd have to kind of actually be a dumb person to not do that.

Ryan (48:23)

Are you ready? This is why you have nostalgia around the smell of fabulosa. And there's this nostalgia.

Michael Bostick (48:31)

But do you really miss the, like, synthetic Windex?

Lauren Everts (48:33)

No, I was saying I don't have that nostalgia.

Michael Bostick (48:35)

No.

Ryan (48:35)

People have a connection to these smells because they've been ingrained in us. And people.

Michael Bostick (48:41)

That's the end.

Ryan (48:42)

There's almost an addiction.

Michael Bostick (48:43)

What they do to the. They do they chemically do that? Like they, they do that. That's what they do. Like the synthetics in it connect to your endocrine system and they make. Yeah, you're like connected to it. So. Yeah, it makes it harder to quit.

Ryan (48:54)

And that's what they want.

Michael Bostick (48:55)

Yeah, exactly.

Ryan (48:56)

Baby products, any specific brands that you're a fan of?

Michael Bostick (48:59)

Yeah, and I do carry some baby products. So if you do silicone, you're going to want to make sure it's like a medical grade grade silicone. So that's really important because silicone four, it's like a baby toy. Like if they have like rubber toys chewing on like the little things, no plastic, obviously, that's just loaded with phthalates that they chew on, suck on, rub all over. I think it's really important that moms know they shouldn't wear perfume even with a baby. I think a lot of women think, oh, you know, I'm done being pregnant now I can put it all on. But you're breastfeeding, your baby's on you. They're maybe on your shoulder, they're inhaling your laundry detergent, they're sucking on your, you know, fragrance. Dry, non organic clothing. So definitely everything should be extra sensitive for babies. So toys, no plastic wood toys without paints and lacquers. We have some natural rubber, like bath toys. So natural materials, as much as you can. Organic. We have some really cute little stuffies that are made out of organic material.

Ryan (49:56)

So I love that. I'm gonna go get all that. That's perfect for my nursery.

Michael Bostick (50:00)

What are those little things? Like, I'm so like baby illiterate. Like, I'm just like, what are those things? They use the little things they suck on. But again, like, no, it's like a blankie to like, like, like a lovey.

Ryan (50:11)

Yeah, lovey. I know.

Lauren Everts (50:12)

To give a little pushback and to give. I know a lot of the parents are like screaming, like, you know, there's certain toys that can I get. But my whole thing is if you get rid of the big things, if you get rid of the fragrances and the hormone disruptors and the bad cleaning supplies and the foods that we all know with million preserves, we shouldn't be like, if you take care of like the 90%, then maybe once in a while it's okay for a kid to play with a magnet top. But the point is, if you're doing all the other things all the time and that it's like to your point, like you're gonna use a certain nail polish, like if my kid ends up coloring with a certain thing one time or playing with a magnet, I was like, okay, it's, you know, there's maybe some harmful things in there. But I feel good knowing that, like, the night, the other 90%, the big things are out of the picture.

Michael Bostick (50:53)

You know, the biggest thing is honestly the mom and even the dad. The choices you guys make while you're trying to conceive and actually, actually pregnant are so important because they're directly impacting, higher impacting how your baby develops. So even something like fragrance that can disrupt your son's hormones, even though it's not even, he's not even born yet. So it can decrease your son's sperm before it leaves your body. Like, that's insane. It can actually also contribute to a smaller body part in boys.

Ryan (51:26)

A smaller penis.

Michael Bostick (51:27)

Yeah.

Lauren Everts (51:27)

Yes.

Ryan (51:27)

Literally, if you use these endocrine disruptors, you are making your baby's penis small.

Michael Bostick (51:33)

Yep. And you're even affecting the female's egg supply, so it decreases the quality of eggs.

Ryan (51:39)

Your mom must have not worn perfume.

Lauren Everts (51:42)

Nice.

Michael Bostick (51:43)

So, yeah, it's scary. Increased risk of adhd. You're with risk low birth weight. And I think people think low birth weight. Okay, who cares? I just have like a little, small, cute baby. But no, like, that leads to, it's not fully developed when it's born. And so it does lead to increased increased risk of adhd, learning difficulties, just emotional dysregulate. Like, it's really, it is a very serious topic. And I hope, you know, women that are pregnant or trying to get pregnant do take it more serious.

Lauren Everts (52:13)

So I'm sure you're no stranger to push back on the Internet for people that are listening to this and be like, this is too far too extreme. How do you answer those individuals? I'm sure I'm not the first person.

Michael Bostick (52:21)

And don't do it, like, you know, that's fine.

Lauren Everts (52:23)

But if they say, like, hey, this, like, how do you prove some of these things?

Michael Bostick (52:27)

I mean, there's studies on all this, so you can just go to the Internet and, you know, anything I've just shared is a study I've read so I can post them.

Ryan (52:37)

I think a lot of people think ignorance is bliss. The way I try to live my life is like 80, 20. Yeah, listen, I'm not perfect with the makeup.

Michael Bostick (52:45)

Yeah.

Ryan (52:45)

I like a fucking Happy Meal from McDonald's and a diet Coke sometimes times like, I, I like, I like a margarita with tequila. Not now. Yeah, but I mean, like, I, I, I, I try to like live 80, 20. But when I am in my 80%, I am in it.

Michael Bostick (53:05)

Yeah.

Ryan (53:05)

And I am committed to it, and I am full on 100%. Balls to the walls.

Michael Bostick (53:10)

But 80%. I mean, like, I think most people think that they have to be extreme. 100%. But, like, 80% is still way better because, you know, what was your life gonna look like if you weren't doing anything? So any change you can make, I don't care if you're. If you're, you know, 100% bad and you go to 90 10, like, who cares? That's still an improvement. You know, the goal is really to reduce the toxic load on your body as best you can. So I don't want anyone to even think they have to get to 80, 20. You can just get anything out of your house. Just go take your plugins out of your house, open a window. Let's just work at one thing at a time. Like, let's clean your air out. Let's just get the fragrances out. So, so. So what I like to do is we have, like, a free consult feature so they can just come to us. If your brain is like, I don't know.

Ryan (53:51)

That's smart.

Michael Bostick (53:52)

I have $100. I need new makeup. Maybe some found. We'll tell you. We'll map it all out for you. That's really cool.

Lauren Everts (53:58)

But, like, to go back to the very beginning of this conversation, like, I. Again, like, 80, 20, 90, 10, 70, whatever, who cares? But the point is, is, like, if you're making healthier choices and trying to find better alternatives, consistently, when you have something like a mishap, when someone paints a guest bathroom, like, when she was freaking out, my response was like, my body is resilient because of the things I do. Most of the time, we're like, it's not my favorite thing that had happened. But I'm not gonna.

Michael Bostick (54:23)

So much more than that, though. It's not even just, oh, my God, the chemicals. It's like, you didn't listen. You didn't follow directions. You don't care.

Lauren Everts (54:29)

Well, for me. Well, we thought again, like, I listened and I followed directions.

Ryan (54:33)

You did listen.

Lauren Everts (54:33)

But the point is, is, like, I think that there's. You can also get to the point where you can spiral yourself and put yourself into, like, this death, then you.

Ryan (54:42)

Have been pretty adaptable though, too.

Lauren Everts (54:45)

But my point is, when she was going off the deep end yesterday, I.

Ryan (54:48)

Was like, listen, you were upset.

Lauren Everts (54:50)

I grew up on construction sites. I'll be fine. My body's resilient. I'm gonna just take care. I'll do a detail, I'll do whatever I gotta do. But, like, I'm not gonna sit there and like, lose my shit about it all day. I am, because it is. The fact is, it happened and I'm not burning the house down.

Michael Bostick (55:00)

And it's true. Because stress is just as bad. You know, stress is a huge toxin. It can transfer to your baby. So when your cortisol spikes, it spikes spiked.

Lauren Everts (55:08)

Because you know those people that are living super clean and then like, anything happens and they're so stressed. I'm like, all of that work you're doing to live that clean, like, you just had one thing that stressed you out and like, that's way worse for you than just.

Ryan (55:20)

Yeah, I'm on a chill vibe. I'm on a chill vibe. Besides the, the paint, let's discuss something that no one wants to touch with a ten foot pole. Vaccines.

Lauren Everts (55:29)

Oh, great.

Michael Bostick (55:30)

Okay.

Ryan (55:30)

You know what? I get asked about vaccines. Like, I'm Dr. Quinn, medicine woman. Guys, you need to go do your own research on vaccines. I've done my own research privately and I. I have just decided that I don't need to scream from the rooftops what I'm doing. What are your opinions on it?

Michael Bostick (55:49)

I haven't gotten a vaccine since I was like, I don't know, 12. I remember my mom was like, you need to go get the hpv. I was like, no. I don't know. Even as a kid, I just. I didn't understand why. I'm like, I'm fine. So I invest in my immune system. I haven't gotten sick in so long. Everyone else around me is sick all the time. And you would think as someone with an, you know, immune disease, I'd be sick all the time. I have really shitty vitamin D too, so I should be sick all the time. For some reason, I'm not. So. No, I invest into both of us. We invest into our immune system as much as we can. All throughout Covid, we had, you know, protocols. We were doing doctors we would connect with. You know, he got Covid. I didn't even get Covid when you got Covid. So, yeah, I don't know. I don't. I don't personally have a reason for them. Obviously some people might, and that's their choice. Dogs. It gets to be a tricky topic. I know there's a lot of people out there that actually believe you can have dogs and never vaccinate them with. We have a dog rescue too, but I, you know, legally I can't do that. So I've been kind of forced. So with the dog rescue, we make sure to tighter test them. We won't over vaccine.

Ryan (56:52)

Vaccine, titer test. Talk about the titer test. That's such an important test. Everyone who's listening, listen to this.

Michael Bostick (56:57)

Yeah, it's really insane. So you know, vet vaccines are just like any other medication. You know, it's. We're being sold vaccines. They tell you come in annually and your dog needs cd, you know, distemper. Every year they'll give you a reminder to your inbox. Come on in, we'd love to see you. No, they just, you know, it's a sale to them. So you can actually just get a titer test. And so a titer test will tell you exactly what vaccines you're dogs does or does not need. So it'll, I mean our dogs are still protected from puppy shots. So I wouldn't call myself anti vaccine but I'm going to be as, you know, precautious as I can. So yeah, the cdv, if you go to Jean Dodds, she's a vet, she's an expert in like immunization for canines and she's brilliant. And so she actually has done studies on how long these vaccines actually last. So cdv, I think it was, lasted over seven and a half years to life one. I don't know if it was one round. I, I can't quote the amount they had, but it was puppy shots lasted the dog's whole life.

Ryan (57:56)

Why don't they have titers test for people?

Michael Bostick (57:58)

They do.

Ryan (58:00)

They do.

Michael Bostick (58:00)

Yeah. But just no one does them. Huh.

Ryan (58:02)

That's interesting.

Michael Bostick (58:03)

You can. If you're not sure if your vet's a good vet, the best way ever is just to say, hey, do you guys do titer tests? Their reaction will tell you everything you need to know. Yeah.

Lauren Everts (58:10)

Ask a vaccine conversation was never something that populated on my radar. Was important to me until one, we had children.

Michael Bostick (58:20)

Yeah.

Lauren Everts (58:21)

And then two, when everyone went ballistic during COVID and started pushing a vaccine that ended up not being effective and not working and all that. Again, I can say now, I can say that now. Thank God people aren't getting stripped off the Internet and airwaves are saying that these days. But anyways, I think a lot of people, especially older generations, don't realize what the schedule looks like for vaccines for children because they go, well, I had them when I was a kid and so did I.

Ryan (58:45)

Seven and now there's 70.

Lauren Everts (58:47)

I was just going through this exercise with my parents. And I said, listen, like, the reason there's some hesitancy from parents these days around this is one, because of some of the efficacy that they're. That they. That in my opinion, they could do more research around and publish more studies around and whatever. But two, like, a lot of our parents think that it's the same schedule that we all went through when we were young kids. There are. Are so many now. And I think you should not be part of the conversation if you don't have children yourself, because you just don't realize what. And until you're a parent and you have to, like, make that decision for yourself, I think it's. It's something that parents should be able to push back on and ask questions because it's scary.

Ryan (59:24)

Why I have empathy, though, for this is that everyone just wants to do what's right for their kids. And who's ever Giving their kids 77 vaccines, they believe, and their intention is that they're doing right. Right for their kids. People who are giving their kids no vaccines feel like it's right.

Lauren Everts (59:42)

Anyone? That's. That's. Yeah, of course. Like, that's the point is anyone that has kids, you realize the reason you're either doing it or not doing it is because you are trying to make whatever you believe is the best, most loving decision that's going to keep them safe.

Ryan (59:52)

We all have the same intention.

Lauren Everts (59:54)

So I have empathy for parents that make any decision.

Ryan (59:56)

Yeah, it's hard.

Lauren Everts (59:56)

But the point is, is, like, a lot of parents feel like they don't have enough information, so that's where there's hesitancy.

Michael Bostick (60:01)

Yeah, you can't even get accurate information. You have to go to, like, secret rabbit holes.

Lauren Everts (60:05)

And the reason there's even more hesitancy and the reason Covid was so terrible and was managed so poorly is because now clearly there's information about something that was rushed out, that was ineffective, that caused a lot of harm that they are now admitting to, which does not help the case of saying, well, all of these other ones are fine, because, well, now we see that you did one that wasn't fine, and you lied to us about it. And you're now gaslighting people to say, well, I have other questions. And I don't think that's an unreasonable stance. And so.

Ryan (60:32)

So my thing is, if I'm gonna inject something in my body or my children's body or my husband's body, I have 600 questions on each one. And if you can't accept that, I have 600 questions. That's a you problem. Like, I'm gonna have questions.

Michael Bostick (60:48)

Most people are not gonna listen. And then that's how you know right away.

Lauren Everts (60:51)

But like, to me, it's a logical person that says, wait a minute. We had government agencies and big media outlets in a huge pressure to get something where there was not full information, where there was actual harm, where it did not stop the quote, unquote, the spread. And you're. And you were screaming at us from the rooftops to do this thing and you were lying to us about the efficiency of it. And now you're saying, but don't question anything else. We can't have it that way. You either have to be completely honest and transparent or you're not. There's not. Oh, this one was and this one isn't. It's like, well, now we need all the information. Everything. Which again is why I'm excited about what's going on with the health in this country right now. Because people are just saying, like, listen, we just to your, like, similar to you, we just want the information. Get all, publish it all, hold everybody to the same standard. If there's liability, hold them liable. That's all we want.

Michael Bostick (61:39)

Yeah. Like, if you show me a study that this vaccine is totally safe. Great. Like, thanks for the information and you know, now I'll consider that. But I don't trust most of the information that's out there. I feel like most of it is, you know, cherry picked and, and skewed and controlled and I can't wait to see what RFK digs up. It's going to be crazy.

Amanda Jo (62:02)

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Ryan (62:42)

Okay.

Amanda Jo (62:43)

Like, they're really, really comfortable. Comfortable. So like from morning workouts to the hustle of daily life, they really, like, just keep you comfortable. They have this shoe, it's called the no Bull All Day. And it's the shoe for everyday life. But I would tell you because I've just been trying this one. Don't sleep on the woman's Nano X4 training shoe. This is the one that I got in white. It's true to size. I really like it. I know this is weird but it.

Ryan (63:09)

Like flatters your foot.

Amanda Jo (63:11)

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Lauren Everts (63:40)

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Lauren Everts (63:51)

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Lauren Everts (64:53)

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Amanda Jo (65:07)

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Ryan (66:38)

You know that most toilet paper has formaldehyde and chlorine in it? It also has dyes. I was shocked to know I found out this probably a year ago that there's all of these crazy things in toilet paper. We're wiping our most intimate areas with this all day long. My daughter is using the toilet paper. My husband's using it. I went on this, like, wild goose chase to find the best toilet paper on the market. And while I found some brands that were great, I also wanted to create something better. And so that's what we've done at the Skinny Confidential. We have created a better choice. I was involved in every single detail of this toilet paper. We took out formaldehyde, we took out out chlorine, we took out the dyes, we took out all the things that I Didn't want my family exposed to. And then, of course, in our very skinny, confidential way, we wrapped it in pink. As you can see, I wanted the experience of the delivery when you got it to be very romantic and pretty. Never. Are you excited about getting your monthly delivery of toilet paper, and I wanted to make you excited. So it comes in the most luxurious box. Box. You open it, it's packaged, cute, and it also has our little stamp on it. And you can put this on all of the rolls in your house and know that it's a better choice for you and your family. I am so passionate about this launch. We have been working on this launch for a long time. My team is so excited about it. It's shaking up the market, and it's disruptive, and it's everything that we want to bring to the table. So if you're looking for a better choice when it comes to your toilet paper, go to shopskinnyconfidential.com. grab it now. We will sell out. But we're doing subscription, so I would definitely say to subscribe so you can make sure that you get it monthly. That's shopskinnyconfidential.com I need to ask you about this sauna thing.

Michael Bostick (68:35)

Oh, gosh, Yeah.

Ryan (68:36)

I saw this on your page. I'm a big sauna girl.

Michael Bostick (68:39)

Yep.

Ryan (68:41)

Give it to me.

Michael Bostick (68:41)

Yeah, I haven't used my sauna since then, honestly, because, well, I'm very sensitive. So with my lime, it can actually make some people worse. So if you don't feel good after a sauna, you shouldn't do it. So I think a lot of people think, oh, a sauna is good for everyone across the board. But, no, it can actually make people more sick. So if your detox pathways aren't open, you're not getting the toxins out. It can just stir everything up and make you worse. So if you don't feel good in a sauna, don't go in a sauna. It's probably your body saying it's not time. But, yeah, we have a sauna. A really good one.

Lauren Everts (69:09)

Barrel or infrared?

Michael Bostick (69:10)

It's infrared. I think it's like a sunlighten.

Lauren Everts (69:13)

Okay.

Michael Bostick (69:13)

I researched that. You know, the best wood? No. Emfs? No. All that stuff. But, yeah, tested positive for mold. And you're like, oh, I didn't think about that. So I'm using this to detox from mold. I think a lot of people thought it grew mold because they advertise as, you know, they can't grow mold. But it didn't grow mold it just had mold from the house go into the sauna and be trapped in the sauna. So now you're going into this moldy sauna. So it sucks because. Because literally the only way to know is if you test your sauna's air.

Ryan (69:45)

Why did you decide to test your.

Michael Bostick (69:46)

You tested the whole house.

Lauren Everts (69:47)

You can get these bombs. Not like. But they're like these mold bombs.

Ryan (69:53)

And she's got to look into that. That sounds suspicious.

Michael Bostick (69:56)

And that's how it begins.

Lauren Everts (69:57)

Well, Ryan from test my home gave. Everyone says Ryan. Okay, it's okay. But he came and he tested because we have an infrared anna barrel and obviously that's a concern. And we test tested and there was none. But it's something that people, you have to monitor and you have to pay attention to.

Michael Bostick (70:12)

Yeah. And then you think about people going to like hot yoga studios. Like, it's probably terrible. So I mean, I'm sorry to ruin everyone's life with that, but when we.

Lauren Everts (70:20)

Get out of ours, we like air it out.

Michael Bostick (70:22)

Yeah, yeah.

Lauren Everts (70:22)

You gotta like check for you especially, you know, there were. If you have like liquid, you just have to watch it. But there are things that you can use that he recommend. I'm sure it's on his. The test my home site. But he kind of like he came and did that because it's a concern like a spray.

Michael Bostick (70:35)

It's like the Decon 30 or something.

Lauren Everts (70:37)

It's like a little. No, it's like a little. It's like a little bomb. But I don't know exactly what it is. But I'm assuming it kills the mold. Yeah, it just makes it so mold can't live there. Fortunately, we didn't have to do it because.

Ryan (70:46)

Well, you got to tell us what that is. So we're going to have to go. Look at that.

Lauren Everts (70:48)

I don't know, it's like a little green and white thing from what I can recall.

Ryan (70:51)

Well, that's not enough information. We need that. You need to go talk to Ryan.

Michael Bostick (70:55)

We should talk about cars because. Yeah, Ryan came out and tested my car. I have like a Mercedes SUV and it was actually had more EMFs than sitting on a high voltage power line.

Ryan (71:06)

So what do you do?

Michael Bostick (71:07)

I wanted to make that into a reel for so long, but like. Yeah, surprise. You can have that one. Don't use the seat heater. So the electric seat heaters.

Lauren Everts (71:14)

Oh God.

Ryan (71:14)

Oh my God. I use that every day.

Michael Bostick (71:16)

I know, I know. I literally just shiver.

Ryan (71:18)

Okay.

Michael Bostick (71:19)

Brand new car and I'm just like, can't turn it On.

Ryan (71:22)

Okay.

Michael Bostick (71:23)

Even the lights. I have like cute pink lights in my car and the flicker is out of control. I think you know about flicker and like red lights and all that stuff. But yeah, even the screen, horrible flicker. And now that Mercedes makes everything digital. It's just like flickering. So. Yeah.

Ryan (71:38)

Can you turn the screen off?

Michael Bostick (71:39)

Probably.

Ryan (71:40)

I prefer that screen off. I don't need a screen while I'm driving.

Michael Bostick (71:43)

I was like emailing Mercedes, like, can you cut the electricity? They were like, go away. Like, no, we can't, lady. They tried to return my car. I did. They were like, no.

Ryan (71:51)

So what, you just had EMF because of the seat heaters and the light?

Michael Bostick (71:55)

Well, they measure everything. It's like radio frequency. It's like a couple, three different ones. You have your little tri filled device. So he comes out with his little tool and it was just like.

Ryan (72:04)

You know what worries me so much? And I. This, this is like a random tangent. Tesla's.

Michael Bostick (72:11)

Yeah.

Ryan (72:11)

You see these people plugged into the charger sitting in their car and I.

Michael Bostick (72:18)

Feel, I've seen someone literally phone. Yeah.

Ryan (72:20)

What is that?

Michael Bostick (72:22)

That's like.

Ryan (72:22)

I feel like that's cooking you.

Michael Bostick (72:23)

Yeah, yeah. We definitely want to roll down your window and at least like let some of that out so you're not just baking in like a Faraday cage.

Lauren Everts (72:30)

But again, like some of this can start to become a prison of your own.

Ryan (72:33)

I know, I know.

Lauren Everts (72:34)

I mean look at guys, look at the studio we're in right now.

Michael Bostick (72:36)

We could go on like all day.

Ryan (72:37)

No, we could go on all day.

Lauren Everts (72:38)

But my point is, is like this can really.

Ryan (72:40)

Speaking of a prison of my own mind, let's talk about ems.

Lauren Everts (72:42)

No, it's like better call Saul. You know his brother who's in the tin, he's like in the tin blanket all the time. Like we gotta, we gotta be able to live here.

Ryan (72:48)

I know, I want to live.

Michael Bostick (72:49)

But I mean I still have a car. So it was like, yeah, I can detach from that like paranoia.

Ryan (72:54)

You just turn the seat here.

Lauren Everts (72:54)

You know what terrible for, for men, condoms. Because condoms can be getting all sorts of parabens and things. So we should.

Ryan (73:02)

A lot of guys before you told.

Michael Bostick (73:03)

Me that I'll support you that I.

Lauren Everts (73:05)

Would just say like, I would be like, listen, like these things, this is getting in my.

Ryan (73:08)

Well, it actually is, right? It's not good.

Michael Bostick (73:10)

Well, and the spermicides they use are absolutely disgusting. So.

Ryan (73:14)

Yeah, I can't get. Woo.

Michael Bostick (73:15)

Yeah.

Lauren Everts (73:15)

It's like putting a bag over your head and doing push ups for a long Time. It's like, it's not fun.

Ryan (73:20)

You remember?

Lauren Everts (73:21)

So it's been a while, and hence the three kids.

Ryan (73:24)

I'm a big. Turn your phone off on airplane mode in the other room. What are the little things that you do to protect from emf?

Michael Bostick (73:33)

Yeah. So, well, we had Ryan from test my home come out. We went through our whole house. We had some messed up, even dimmer switches. I'm sure he went through with you guys. You can't do dimmer switches. So we switched those out. We need to switch out all our LED lights. Haven't done that. So there's plenty of things that I know are bad that I just haven't gotten to. So I'm not like a frantic maniac, even though I want to be. So we need to fix our lights.

Amanda Jo (73:55)

We.

Michael Bostick (73:56)

I think we. We did a kill switch in the bedroom. So just. That's really nice. You could just. I want all the power off in the bedroom. Yeah.

Ryan (74:03)

Can you send me the one that you like?

Michael Bostick (74:04)

It's just like. I think you just install it right. Like you have to have an electrician come out.

Ryan (74:08)

You do?

Michael Bostick (74:09)

Yeah. And they just like cut the power. So it's just a switch like that. So when it's ready for bed, just. And it cuts the whole room.

Ryan (74:15)

I bet you feel your. Your nervous system relax.

Michael Bostick (74:18)

Yes. It was crazy. Yeah. I would. Had. I had really high readings next to my bed. There was something with the electricity. Like, people don't think. I don't think people realize that your electricity can be wired wrong too and cause frazzled energy. So, yeah, we had to fix that. But yeah. Phone doesn't go in the room, out of the room. We do all the things.

Lauren Everts (74:36)

I think the biggest thing that, like, we found with the house that we were super crazy about was the mold. Like, especially living in Austin. But I think a lot of people don't realize, like, under the sink and that is, you know, that stuff can be real problematic if you don't catch it.

Michael Bostick (74:50)

I think people think that they're going to see mold. Like. Like.

Ryan (74:53)

Yeah.

Michael Bostick (74:53)

You think it's fungus?

Ryan (74:55)

Like a. Yeah.

Michael Bostick (74:56)

No, you don't see it. Like, we couldn't see a single speck of mold in our house. Our house was brand new built. We had to demo out the laundry room, the butler's pantry. All the sinks were leaking because the guy just played Build a House House.

Lauren Everts (75:10)

You know, Michaela Peterson sounds familiar, but.

Michael Bostick (75:12)

No.

Lauren Everts (75:12)

Anyways, she's like a mold girl or something. No, well, she's not. But she. She came on the show. And she told us this crazy story about how she just grew up in a household with black mold and, like, caused all of these health issues that she later found out. So she's been vocal about sharing that. But, you know, at the time when she was a kid, she was sick all the time. She didn't. The parents couldn't figure out why and how. And it was.

Michael Bostick (75:30)

It was mold. I know. And it's hard because, like, then now what? So you're gonna go test your whole house? Like, I think people don't have to. It does hurt everyone. Even if you don't have the symptoms, it's not good to have mold in your system. But if you're not feeling like you have fatigue or, you know, I get really bad dark circles under my eyes. Hair loss. If you don't have those symptoms, then, you know, maybe you'll get to mold later. So I think mostly just people that might. Might have a sneaking suspicion. There's some cool tests you can do now, too. Just quickly to see if it's a problem, you know, test. My home is really expensive, so. So I think it's called Ermi. It's a test you can just buy online. And it's just like a Swiffer wipe. And you go and you just wipe the dust in the house, and you mail it out, and they'll tell you a list of the molds. I think it's like, a couple hundred dollars.

Ryan (76:17)

That's a great tip.

Michael Bostick (76:18)

It's a great tip.

Ryan (76:19)

Do you use air filters?

Michael Bostick (76:20)

Oh, yeah.

Ryan (76:21)

What's your favorite?

Michael Bostick (76:21)

The Jasper.

Ryan (76:22)

Okay. Us too.

Michael Bostick (76:23)

Because after Ryan, Ryan's like, this is the best.

Ryan (76:25)

Yeah, we love Jasper. And what's your vibes on shoes in the house?

Michael Bostick (76:29)

Oh. Oh, God.

Ryan (76:30)

I have to ask my.

Michael Bostick (76:31)

You would vomit if you saw our house. Like, actual vomit. Because we have six dogs, so that's 24 filthy paws. We do not wipe their paws every time they come in the house. So our bed is disgusting. I put it on the Internet the other day. It's just, like, dirt rocks from dogs. Oh, yeah. So you would absolutely die. So shoes is, like, the least of.

Ryan (76:49)

Our problems, because shoes is the least of our problems.

Lauren Everts (76:53)

But the earth is not gonna listen if you're in petroleum and you're in, you know, chemicals in the.

Ryan (76:58)

Well, Michael, our son, went to the hospital the other day because he cut his head open and he had to get stitches. Michael tried to step a toe in my house. After you were walking around the hospital.

Michael Bostick (77:09)

We will take them off and, like, that situation But.

Lauren Everts (77:12)

But what I'm saying is, like, if it's just earth outside in your clean living, like the dirt is. I mean, people lived in the dirt all the time. It's not. It's. It's these. It's the chemicals and all the.

Ryan (77:20)

You know, if someone is new to your website, where would you start? I'll. I will just tell everyone. I. I think everyone who has a pet should go buy your hyper hypochlorous acid spray.

Michael Bostick (77:32)

Hypochlorous acid? Yeah.

Ryan (77:34)

And to put on the pause. And then also, I love Agent Notorious toothpaste that you sent me. It's so good. From your website. You have so many good products. Everyone should go shop. What would you tell them to pick up?

Michael Bostick (77:47)

I would just book a free consult so you can just. I mean, I have 7,500 products, so I don't. Wow. I do have a best sellers. Yeah, I know, it's insane. So it's not like I could just be like, oh, just go grab this or that. So it's a big site, so the.

Ryan (78:01)

Consult would help them like sort of weed through what's. What's important to them.

Michael Bostick (78:05)

Yep, yep. Because I. I really don't know how, like, you'd begin.

Lauren Everts (78:08)

I mean, what categories do you think are people?

Michael Bostick (78:11)

I have a best sellers category, so I have bestsellers. So I'd go to bestsellers. I think Olivia Body Wash is like always a go to. It's the same company that. That makes the dog shampoo. I think I sent you a mini of one of them and I did bring you one because they made a new men's. It actually smells so good. It smells. I want to. I want to see his reaction. I want him to smell it. Give him their whole little doggy Easter basket.

Ryan (78:31)

That's for us, you guys.

Lauren Everts (78:32)

Oh, that's nice. You guys didn't have to do that.

Ryan (78:34)

Oh, that is so cute. Okay, tell us. Tell us which each thing is chocolate.

Michael Bostick (78:39)

That'S tested for heavy metals.

Amanda Jo (78:41)

Love it.

Michael Bostick (78:42)

Those are clean Christmas trees, Michael.

Ryan (78:46)

Clean Christmas trees squeeze.

Michael Bostick (78:47)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lauren Everts (78:48)

Okay.

Michael Bostick (78:49)

Is it the ozonated dental care? Okay, so oil pulling, but it's ozonated. That's for your foot spa. That's your sour candy.

Ryan (78:58)

You're so sweet and thoughtful.

Michael Bostick (78:59)

Yeah, the little mini body wash. No, there should be a.

Ryan (79:05)

You gave me that too.

Michael Bostick (79:06)

That's shampoo. Did I already give you shampoo?

Ryan (79:08)

No, you gave. I. You gave me that brand. Something with that brand.

Lauren Everts (79:11)

What's the brand called? A Mary.

Michael Bostick (79:13)

Yeah, it's Olivia.

Ryan (79:18)

Cute.

Lauren Everts (79:20)

You guys The Coco Therapy Organ Wood Alia Coastal Woodlands. A woodsy masculine scent with organic sea ke.

Ryan (79:29)

Help. That's hot. Non toxic. That's hot.

Michael Bostick (79:31)

I'm really impressed with it. Okay, let me smell it. Doesn't that smell like a cologne?

Lauren Everts (79:37)

Smells good.

Ryan (79:38)

Oh, let me see.

Lauren Everts (79:39)

I'm getting a lot of the sea kelp.

Ryan (79:41)

Let me smell it.

Lauren Everts (79:42)

I'm just kidding. No, it smells. It just smells like a. Like an outdoorsy.

Ryan (79:45)

Like, who cares what you think it's about me?

Michael Bostick (79:47)

It smells like.

Ryan (79:48)

I love it.

Michael Bostick (79:48)

Yeah, but it just smells like cologne.

Lauren Everts (79:50)

It smells very masculine.

Michael Bostick (79:52)

Yeah.

Lauren Everts (79:52)

Yeah.

Michael Bostick (79:53)

But this is 100% natural.

Ryan (79:54)

No, 100%.

Michael Bostick (79:56)

100%.

Ryan (79:58)

If you got a wash down there.

Michael Bostick (80:00)

Yeah. That one actually lingers surprisingly with no phthalates. I don't know how they do it.

Lauren Everts (80:04)

What does it mean? With prebiotics. Okay. Health for the skin.

Ryan (80:06)

I love it. 10 out of 10.

Lauren Everts (80:08)

No, listen, but here's the thing. Now that I see this, like, I'll use this.

Ryan (80:11)

He will use it.

Michael Bostick (80:12)

And you can actually use a shampoo.

Ryan (80:13)

He's actually. He's so cute. He went on like the EWG to like find out what shampoo and he got this one that was like. Yeah, not. It was not the vibe. Yeah, but he's been looking for a non toxic shampoo.

Lauren Everts (80:25)

No, and I'll go on.

Michael Bostick (80:26)

Well, you, you'll like the Jack Henry one because they have a very similar scent and they have a shampoo.

Lauren Everts (80:30)

Yeah, I'll try. Like. And if you said that there's like a. Like. Because I actually don't that this stuff the. For guys out there, like the ones that like some of these like, like kind of like. What are these called? Like a clay. That's hard. When you have like longer hair. It's better for like shorter or if you're like. But like for me, like I like something that I can put my. You know, like my hands.

Michael Bostick (80:48)

Never know until you try.

Ryan (80:49)

You also got us oil butter, which I'm very excited. What I'm so excited about with this is I don't. I don't have to worry about any of it or like, look it up. It's just good to go.

Michael Bostick (80:57)

That's the Botox in a bottle. So that's like a new cool ingredient haircut dress.

Ryan (81:03)

This is amazing, you guys. Thank you so much.

Lauren Everts (81:06)

You know what, what have these other guests that come on the show been doing? What are the.

Ryan (81:09)

You're not showing up with a gift.

Lauren Everts (81:10)

Bag like this anymore.

Ryan (81:11)

Bio seaweed gel, soak off LED gel polish.

Michael Bostick (81:15)

So you can actually cure that in the sun. You don't need a lamp.

Ryan (81:18)

Love it. Which is. Yeah, I have to wear my dry.

Michael Bostick (81:20)

You still use nasty shampoo, so I sent you my favorite shampoo.

Ryan (81:24)

I. I need some cleanup in some areas. I'm not going to. I don't want to act perfect at all, but it's hard.

Michael Bostick (81:29)

Hard. But those are little mini fragrances. Upside down. Upside down.

Lauren Everts (81:34)

This is going to be the expectation now when people show up and be like, where's my bag?

Ryan (81:38)

Oh, I can't wait. This is so exciting, you guys.

Michael Bostick (81:40)

Those are, like, more. Kyle's favorite is the smudge. And out of the black box, there's another one.

Ryan (81:46)

Oh, look.

Michael Bostick (81:47)

So his favorite is the smudge mixed with dragon's blood.

Ryan (81:50)

And you guys got us lollipops.

Lauren Everts (81:52)

Oh, this is a fragrance.

Ryan (81:53)

What's the brand of lollipops?

Michael Bostick (81:54)

Those are the lovely.

Ryan (81:55)

Love it. I'm gonna give it to my kids.

Lauren Everts (81:57)

It's very nice.

Ryan (81:58)

You know why I love this too? It's like, I can, like, try all this, and then I can pick what I love, and you can reorder it and you don't have to worry about it. I will.

Lauren Everts (82:07)

I'm gonna be on your site. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be on there and looking at all these 7,500.

Ryan (82:11)

It makes it nice that he doesn't have. He does try. He does. Bless his heart. He does. He does try really hard.

Lauren Everts (82:16)

Also, if she tells me, like, this is the thing that we're doing and it serves the purpose and, like, solves the function that I'm looking for, then I like.

Ryan (82:22)

I don't like toothpaste. I got him to switch his toothpaste. I got him to switch away from the floss that has the plastic in it.

Michael Bostick (82:28)

Pfast.

Lauren Everts (82:29)

I. Luckily I didn't have some nostalgia for Windex or whatever you're talking about.

Michael Bostick (82:33)

I don't think you have a choice. You're nice, Kyle.

Ryan (82:36)

Kyle, I feel like. Likes it, though. You're. I feel like you're good at it. He's adaptable.

Michael Bostick (82:40)

He's like, I have no choice. Yeah.

Lauren Everts (82:41)

She. I. I don't have a ch. I listen to everything except the hair.

Michael Bostick (82:45)

Really? Yeah. Well, yeah, there's.

Lauren Everts (82:47)

But other than that, what do I not listen to?

Ryan (82:48)

You still do the car wash, and I. I.

Lauren Everts (82:51)

What car wash?

Ryan (82:51)

You get a full, full detail.

Lauren Everts (82:53)

Oh, yeah. Well, I like a clean car.

Michael Bostick (82:55)

Oh. Like, inside, too.

Ryan (82:56)

Yeah. I feel like you need to, like, start a line that's like, car wash.

Michael Bostick (82:59)

I actually Wanted to, but then I was like, who? No one's gonna buy that.

Ryan (83:02)

Everyone with a car will buy it.

Michael Bostick (83:03)

I know, I know.

Lauren Everts (83:04)

See if it was a clean cleaning car supply thing, I would bring it.

Ryan (83:08)

To the car wash. Organic bunny car and the organic bunnies in a car, I would love that.

Michael Bostick (83:14)

But it's expensive and those were. We're seeing brands like Symbiotica is discontinuing their home line because I just don't think it's selling. So I think people have to be very mindful of investing into ideas like that because you know, Autozone is not going to pick up my, you know, $30 car wipe. So as much as I'd love to make it, I don't know if it would last.

Lauren Everts (83:34)

I think for companies and listen, I love Symbiotica and I don't know what they're, if they're, what they're doing over there, but I think people are looking now for companies that make certain things their mission. And while Symbiotica's overarching thing is obviously health, I think the reason someone like Branch Basics is having success is like that's the, that's their main mission. The stories there, the, the passion's there. Like they, you know, people don't want you.

Ryan (83:58)

Like you don't just like launch stuff to launch it. You. But you have like such a mission. I feel like behind everything you do you could really go into any category. The fact that there's no non toxic baby wipes right now.

Michael Bostick (84:11)

There's so many.

Ryan (84:11)

Do you understand how many wipes moms use every day? Like you could make cute pink ones with a bunny on it. I mean I could spiral. I will do. I want to say something. I'm going to link every single product that you guys got me on my blog so you guys can go to the Skinny Confidential and shop every single product. We'll like explain each one because I know they're going to want a lot of these products. The organic bunny.com you get 15 off with code Skinny. I definitely recommend for anyone who's interested in non toxic living in an approachable way. Going to follow your Instagram. I have been following your Instagram I think I want to say for like 10 years really. Thank you guys so much for listening. Where can everyone find your Instagram to do a deep dive on you?

Michael Bostick (84:58)

It's at Organic Bunny and website.

Ryan (85:01)

One more time.

Michael Bostick (85:02)

The organicbunny.com thank you for coming on the show.

Lauren Everts (85:05)

Thank you so much.