Busy Philipps: Unfiltered & Unapologetic On ADHD, Boundaries, & The Realities of Hollywood

Summary

Podcast Summary: Busy Philipps: Unfiltered & Unapologetic On ADHD, Boundaries, & The Realities of Hollywood

The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show – Sept 22, 2025
Hosts: Lauryn Bosstick & Michael Bosstick
Guest: Busy Philipps

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Overview

In this lively and candid episode, Lauryn and Michael Bosstick are joined by actress, author, and activist Busy Philipps. The conversation dives deep into Busy’s journey through Hollywood, her groundbreaking approach to social media, late-in-life ADHD diagnosis, co-parenting after divorce, and her philosophies on authenticity, boundaries, and raising kids in a digital age. With personal anecdotes and a sharp sense of humor, Busy provides raw insight into the challenges and rewards of reinventing oneself, staying grounded, and navigating both career and family in the spotlight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reinvention & Storytelling in Hollywood

[01:13–02:10]

• Busy downplays the idea of reinvention; she sees her career evolution as a natural extension of her passion for storytelling — across acting, writing, hosting, and more.
  • “I don’t consider it reinvention... I’ve always been interested in lots of different ways in which to essentially storytell.” – Busy [01:22]
• Her ventures into talk shows, books, and podcasts stem from her intrinsic drive to connect stories to people.

2. Early Adoption & Authenticity on Social Media

[02:36–08:45]

• Busy discusses being among the first celebrities to use Instagram Stories authentically, exposing her real, unfiltered life at a time when most celebrities were highly curated and promotional.
  • “I just loved it so much... when Instagram Stories started, I was like: Oh, I know what to do with this. This is The Real World.” – Busy [03:37]
• She shares the famous (and frightening) “Uber story” that went viral, which highlighted her vulnerability and candid approach.
  • “Anytime anyone is telling you to be cool and everything's going to be okay, it's not going to be okay.” – Busy [07:12]
• While some actor friends worried she’d ruin her career by being "too real," others—like Akiva Schaffer from Lonely Island—encouraged her, calling it “genius” [08:57–10:18].
• She notes the sense of isolation as a working mom pre-social media, and how platforms like Instagram provided much-needed connection and solidarity.

3. Navigating Changing Media & Mental Health Online

[10:18–13:32]

• The trio talks about industry skepticism around new media tech (YouTube, podcasts), and how important it is to trust your gut rather than give in to old-school fear.
  • “We don’t know what the future is... if something speaks to you or it feels right to you, that’s the guiding principle for me.” – Busy [11:27]
• Moderation and periodic breaks from social media are advised ("We can all use breaks, and we don’t have to announce them publicly." – Busy [13:00]).

4. Diagnosing ADHD & Mental Health Advocacy

[13:45–19:58]

• Busy is candid about being diagnosed with ADHD later in life—after her daughter’s own evaluation—and the relief that finally naming her struggles brought.
  • “As we were sitting there going through the checklist, my ex-husband is looking at me and I’m like, I know, I know, it’s me!” – Busy [15:28]
• She describes typical missed signs in women/girls and the internalized shame she carried for years.
  • "No matter what I was accomplishing in my life, I always felt like a little bit further behind than everyone else..." – Busy [16:25]
• The conversation covers hyperfocus, executive function challenges, and recognizing personal quirks (eating the same meal for years, as a way to reduce decision fatigue).
  • “When I was like in my early 20s, I went through a period of time where every day for lunch, I ate a turkey sandwich... I just cannot decide.” – Busy [19:49]

5. Sharing Family Life, Privacy, and Boundaries

[21:02–30:07]

• Busy talks about evolving her social media strategy as her kids grow, learning to respect their privacy and autonomy (“As my kids have gotten older, I’ve had to adjust how much I share…” [21:12]).
• Both her daughters have very different views on being featured ("Cricket... was like, I do not want to be on your Instagram at all. Period. Full stop. And I was like, great." – Busy [29:55]).

6. Co-Parenting After Divorce

[30:32–34:35]

• Busy speaks lovingly of her ex-husband Mark, crediting years of therapy for their ability to co-parent effectively and maintain mutual respect.
  • “We did a lot of therapy for many, many years before we even separated... Mark and I both look at our relationship as very successful, even though we ended one part of it.” – Busy [31:07]
• She and Mark prioritized their children's emotional wellbeing above personal issues, consistently working toward forgiveness and honest communication.

7. Staying Grounded in Hollywood

[34:35–35:38]

• Despite long-term friendships with big names like Michelle Williams (who is also “grounded and family focused”), Busy attributes her down-to-earth nature to personal disposition rather than industry circumstances.

8. Hollywood Memory Lane: Early Career & Dawson’s Creek

[35:42–42:25]

• Busy reminisces about Freaks & Geeks (her first big break at 19), the cult following, and the ups and downs of being on hit shows ("It just really felt like, man..." [36:34]).
• Talks about joining Dawson's Creek, meeting the core cast, and emphasizes that it's not always a “skyrocket” life change (“No, it didn’t. It really didn’t change completely.” – Busy [41:39]).

9. Dawson’s Creek Reunion for Charity

[43:22–47:27]

• The impetus for the reunion—James Van Der Beek's cancer diagnosis—brought the cast together for an upcoming benefit event.
  • "Michelle really led the charge... let's do a fundraiser for f Cancer and a fund for James's kids..." – Busy [44:10]
• The event sold out in minutes; there’s hope for future streaming, but the scale and cost are challenging [45:43–46:20].
• Busy shrugs off online complaints about the ticket raffle, underscoring her focus on the charitable mission.

10. Social Media Now: Burnout & Boundaries

[47:33–50:09]

• Busy admits she’s less enthusiastic about social media today, doing it herself without a team, and misses the era when her ex took great photos for her posts (“I'm sad that I divorced my Instagram husband.” – Busy [48:32]).

11. Parenting Tweens & Teens in the Digital Age

[50:14–64:27]

• She discusses the challenges of parenting older kids: letting go, trusting you’ve prepared them, and providing emotional “baby-proofing.”

• Urges early conversations about online safety and social media, drawing parallels to sex ed ("You have to start learning what's appropriate to say and post online when they're younger." – Busy [52:51])

• Stresses the need for parents to pay attention to what their kids are consuming online, including watching YouTube channels themselves ("I watched every YouTuber they liked..." – Busy [62:34])

• Warns of toxic influences (Andrew Tate, etc.), lack of awareness among parents, and the critical role of proactive engagement.

  “Kids, like, once you see something, you can never unsee it. And there are just things… that you don’t wanna have in your brain. I’m just telling you, you just don’t.” – Busy [61:00]

  “I think that’s the biggest mistake, because… you can’t course correct messaging if your kids… watch a thing about cool cars and then it’s Andrew Tate.” – Busy [63:05]

12. Honest Talk on Sex, Pornography & Digital Exposure

[64:53–67:47]

• The trio discuss changing realities: how exposure to sex and hardcore material is now just a click away vs. the analog days of “dirty magazines in the bushes."
• Busy emphasizes the responsibility of all parents, regardless of gender, to have open, early conversations about pornography and healthy sexuality.

13. Dating After Divorce

[68:18–70:17]

• Busy jokes about the surprising number of married men sliding into her DMs.
• Her type: smart, creative, funny men, generally in the writing/entertainment industry, but she’s flexible on the “Instagram husband” requirement now.

14. What’s Next for Busy

[70:17–73:49]

• Busy plans to continue juggling multiple creative projects: another book (in the works), acting roles (inspired by Girls5eva), writing new material for herself, directing, producing off-Broadway, and nurturing her two daughters.
• She fondly describes bingeing Arrested Development with her teenage daughter as a recent “special chapter.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On authenticity online:
  "What you see is what you get. Just always, my whole life." – Busy [03:37]
• On celebrity skepticism of social media:
  "People legitimately… I remember one actor in particular saying, I really think you should stop doing this. It's gonna ruin your career." – Busy [08:57]
• On late ADHD diagnosis:
  “It was totally helpful... It took the shame away that you were feeling.” – Busy [16:23]
• On co-parenting:
  "We both look at our relationship as very successful, even though we ended one part of it... ultimately, we want the other person to be happy and fulfilled." – Busy [32:36]
• On raising kids in digital age:
  “You have to have these conversations at, like, age 8 and 9, not wait until they're teenagers.” – Busy [52:51]
• On boundaries and growth:
  "I think they deserve to have their own experience." – Busy [21:12]
• On advice to her kids:
  "Once you see something, you can never unsee it, and it's in your brain forever." – Busy [61:00]

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Important Timestamps

• 01:13 – Busy on ‘reinvention’ as natural evolution
• 03:37 – Early Instagram days, authenticity, and ‘The Real World’ influence
• 05:58–07:53 – The viral “Uber” incident
• 08:57 – Celebrity friends wary of Instagram stories
• 13:45 – ADHD diagnosis, late in life
• 15:28 – The “aha” moment during daughter’s evaluation
• 16:23 – Relief after getting diagnosed
• 29:55 – On respecting children’s boundaries on social media
• 31:07–32:36 – Years of therapy and redefining relationships through divorce
• 44:10 – Organizing the Dawson’s Creek charity event
• 61:00 – “Once you see something, you can never unsee it.”
• 63:05 – Watching kids’ YouTube to monitor content
• 68:32 – Dating requirements: “You have to be single and not married.”
• 70:28 – Next chapter: more writing, acting, producing
• 72:50 – Special time with teenage daughter

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Conclusion

This episode provides a refreshingly unguarded look at Busy Philipps’s real life—her creative motivations, personal challenges, and her unshakeable commitment to authenticity. Listeners gain practical insights on boundary-setting, parenting, mental health, and the evolving landscape of media and fame. Busy’s resilience, humor, and refusal to “curate” her life make this conversation both relatable and inspiring for anyone navigating changes in career, family, or self.

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Transcript

[Michael Bostic]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Lauren Everts]

Fantastic.

[Michael Bostic]

And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.

[Lauren Everts]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Michael Bostic]

Welcome to the Skinny Confidential. Him and her.

[Lauren Everts]

An icon is gracing us with her presence on the show today. Busy Phillips. She is an actor, an author, an activist, host of the series Busy this week, a mom, and she knows how to storytell. You may recognize her from Freaks and Geeks and Dawson's Creek. You also may recognize her from her book. She was a New York Times bestselling author. I thoroughly enjoyed her book. If you haven't read it, it's a good one. She shares all of the realities of co parenting teenage daughters on her Instagram and she also is very open about the highs and lows this conversation flowed like, but is a pro on the mic. I think you're going to like this one. Busy Phillips, welcome to the show.

[Michael Bostic]

This is the Skinny Confidential. Him and her.

[Lauren Everts]

You have been in the public eye for a long time and you're always managing to reinvent yourself. How do you do that?

[Busy Phillips]

Well, I mean, I don't consider it reinvention, I guess, but I do try to follow things that are interesting to me. And I suppose, like, in terms of my career, I've always been interested in lots of different ways in which to essentially storytell. Right. So, like, that was always kind of what was the driving force for me to be an actor was that I loved that part of it. And so then I just think it kind of like informs all of the other, you know, areas that I have ended up working in. And whether it's like the talk show or my book or writing or, you know, coming up with movies and selling those or the podcast, you know, just like all of the different ways in which I can tell stories.

[Lauren Everts]

I guess I just feel like every time you do something, it feels fresh. And you were on one of the biggest shows ever and it still feels fresh with everything you do. Like, you. I feel like on Instagram, you really were one of, in my opinion, the first celebrities who really understood how to use it. Like, a lot of the celebrities, it's like, here's me all dressed up, very promotional. You were like in there with the audience.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah, I know. I mean, it was like, I was definitely like a very early adopter of the form of, like using social media to kind of show a different side of myself, but I didn't. I Wasn't thinking of it in that way, I guess, at the time. Like, so, I mean, because it was a long time ago. Yeah. I mean, the Instagram Stories thing was sort of a wild period in my career, and it was a real turning point in terms of, like, the trajectory of my career, because it wasn't planned, but it felt like it was a moment where I think a lot of celebrities and a lot of actors that I was friends with at the time genuinely thought I was insane for the way that I was sharing my life and how vulnerable I was being with the audience. I just. I'm a little bit older than you, and I grew up watching the Real World.

[Michael Bostic]

We grew up watching the Real World.

[Busy Phillips]

Okay, okay, okay. And I just loved it so much. And I feel like that period of time when Instagram stories started, like, literally, like, right when they started, I was like, oh, I know what to do with this. This is the real world, you know, and. And I am kind of just in life in general, I am. I do tend to be, you get, you know, I am what I am. Like, you. What you see is what you get kind of a person. Just always my whole life. And I think that really translated and so, like, this idea of, like, authenticity and that I was able to, like, show this side of myself. It didn't seem like I was trying to do anything. Like, I wasn't trying to do anything. It was just me living my life and kind of showing all of the different sides of what it was. And, yeah, people really responded to it. Also, I was in a period of time like, you're now a mom of young kids, and I was a mom of really young kids. And I felt, you know, it was sort of the advent of social media and sharing and, like, influencers didn't exist. Like, that word didn't even really exist. Barely existed, truly. And I felt so isolated and alone. And, you know, Birdie turned 17 in August, and when I had her and she was a baby, there was no way I could connect to other moms. There were some blogs that were out there, but it really did feel isolating to be a working mom. And even once she started school, I still really struggled. And then, I think, you know, sort of the freedom and, like, we all know what social media at its worst can be, but at its best, it really allowed me, and I think a lot of other women to connect and feel seen and heard and know that our struggle wasn't just our own, that we were all kind of, like, in it, dealing with the same things for.

[Lauren Everts]

Michael, what was the first story that you posted? Instagram story. She started storytelling through Instagram story in a real way. What was something that you saw that resonated with the audience that you were like, oh, wow, people do want me to open up.

[Busy Phillips]

I mean, there were so many in that. Like, in the early days of the.

[Lauren Everts]

There was the Uber one.

[Busy Phillips]

Uber. I was gonna say viral. I was gonna say the Uber one was, like, a big deal.

[Michael Bostic]

What happened on the Uber one?

[Busy Phillips]

I mean, that was also the early days of Uber too, by the way. My now ex husband and I had gone out with some people in Hollywood and we had had some tequila.

[Michael Bostic]

Nice.

[Busy Phillips]

And we were getting an Uber home, and we had this scariest situation happen where it was. It couldn't have been the Uber that we ordered. It was like a black car that came, you know, an suv. And we got in, and it seemed like my door was closed, but it wasn't quite closed yet, thank God. And a guy popped up from the third row behind us and said, be cool and everything will be okay. And I immediately started screaming and, like, kicked the door open, by the way. I didn't need to kick the door open. I had. The door wasn't fully closed yet, but I, like, was like, like screaming down.

[Michael Bostic]

She did the exact opposite of what he said.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah. Well, by the way, I watched enough Oprah to know, I'm not going to a secondary location. No way.

[Michael Bostic]

No, no, no, no way. You never go to the secondary location.

[Busy Phillips]

Absolutely not. And anytime anyone is telling you to be cool and everything's going to be okay, it's not going to be okay. I'm just here to tell you. Not gonna be okay. And so we, like, get. Mark, like, follows me out of the car. We're, like, on the street, and the driver got out and was like, it's not what you think. It's not what you think. And I was like, I don't know what I think. I start, like, running back down. It was pretty late, like, running back down toward the restaurant that we had been at, which was closing. But at least I knew there were, like, staff in there. Mark was like. Cause he's a very rational person and was, I think, trying to, like, hear them out. And I was just, like, screaming at him, like, get away. It was just like, a very dramatic thing. And I Instagram storied the whole thing.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, my gosh.

[Busy Phillips]

And, yeah, I know. Well, there's no, like, also, there's no archives of Instagram stories from back then. There were also, like, I had a Lot. I lived in Hollywood at the time. We had a lot of wildlife that was procreating, which, by the way, on.

[Michael Bostic]

The archive thing, like, maybe good for that period of time, because we were all kind of figuring things out. There's probably some of this stuff that's not.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, that would be fun.

[Busy Phillips]

I think that I had some great ones.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Wait, so was it. Was it actually a nefarious situation or was it just a big.

[Busy Phillips]

They just drove away.

[Michael Bostic]

Oh, they drove. Okay. So you never found out.

[Busy Phillips]

And then Mark was, like, trying to figure it out and, like, canceled the one and then got another one. And then we did try to report it. I mean, this is 2016, 2015.

[Lauren Everts]

So a lot of people weren't, like, showing up on stories as their. Like, themselves. And she was, like, actually showing you.

[Michael Bostic]

The behind the scenes in your line of work. And I remember that period of time where there was this kind of notion from a lot of actors and musicians, celebrities, where it was like, kind of almost like considered second rate to have these channels, if that made sense.

[Busy Phillips]

Oh, no, this is what I'm saying to you. Like, I had so many actor friends who reached out or would, you know, say to Mark, what is Bizzy doing on Instagram Stories? Like, why is she doing this? It's weird. It's gonna ruin her career. Like, people legitimately. I remember one actor in particular saying, I really think you should stop doing this. It's gonna ruin your career. And then on the other side, I'm friends have been friends with for a long time, the guys from Lonely island, you know, and Akiva Shaffer, who's married to one of my good friends, Liz Kakowski. I remember Akiva at a dinner party saying, I just want you to know whatever you're doing on Instagram Stories is genius and you should keep doing it. And like, those guys I love, and they're super creative and outside the box thinkers, you know. And as soon as Akiva said that to me, I was like, oh, right, okay, got it. Like, it is actually resonating. But also it was just, you know, the number. The sheer number of people that were watching my stories every day was insane. I mean, it's not the same now, but at the time it was. And I had so many fewer followers, but there just weren't. People weren't doing stories. Literally had just started, and I was bored, and I was not on a television show at the time, so I just made my life sort of my TV show a little bit.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. I was talking to a friend, and he comes from more of, like, traditional writing for screens. And he had this huge disdain for years about YouTubers and YouTube, and now he really regrets it. He's like, man, I missed so many great writing opportunities and so many great production opportunities I could have jumped into. But he had this thing where he's like. It was to him at the time, not a respectable medium for his work, if that makes sense.

[Lauren Everts]

I feel like they're projecting onto you because they're scared of change, and so they're projecting their fear onto you because they're. They are scared that things are pivoting and changing. And so it's like, by them telling you, like, be careful, they're. They're actually nervous.

[Michael Bostic]

No, but even with this, like, this medium, I mean, we've started. We've done it for 10 years almost. And at the beginning of that, I was like, what the hell is that? Like, what's a podcast? You don't go on podcasts, right? It was just like her and I in a closet talking to each other about, like, random things. But now, I mean, it's like. It's just funny how things change in a very short period of time.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah, well, I think the whole landscape of media is kind of constantly, ever evolving, especially with technology and the way that people consume media. But, yeah, I, like, I just.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't.

[Busy Phillips]

I mean, one thing about me is that, like, I don't know. We don't know, right? I'm, like, very well aware of the things that I know and the things that I don't know. And I feel like we just don't know what the future is. You know what I mean? And if something speaks to you or it feels right to you, that's like the guiding principle for me is just. I really kind of go on my gut of what feels right. Like, TikTok to me is difficult. It's like, not. I totally love it and I watch it and I get it from that perspective, but I haven't really, like, jumped into TikTok hard because it's just, for me, a little bit trickier. It's like, for my kids.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I. I feel the same.

[Busy Phillips]

I.

[Lauren Everts]

For when I got pregnant, all of a sudden, I couldn't go on it. I. I don't know. I just didn't want to go on it.

[Busy Phillips]

Oh, interesting.

[Lauren Everts]

It was so weird. It was like, I don't know if I was being serviced, like, the wrong stuff. And it was just like. Some of it was, like, low vibration. I just didn't want to go on it. And I Haven't been on it since. And I have to tell you, it cuts 80% of the noise.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Because you're not like this all day.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

But Listen, people love TikTok, and they do it amazing. I think you have to find a medium.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

And this is not great for what we all do, but I will say some of the happiest people I've met are not on social media at all. They're just like, you know, like my dad, for example, he's older and he's like, never been on, and he's just like. He doesn't think about it.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, but your dad doesn't count. Cause he watches the news all day long.

[Michael Bostic]

That generation watches the news.

[Busy Phillips]

That's another thing. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true.

[Michael Bostic]

But still, you know, like, it's just. It's not even part of his. And it's interesting to observe that where he's, like, not on anything at all.

[Busy Phillips]

I think that there's validity to everything in moderation for just, like, everything in life. Right. Like, we know that that's kind of just the way that we should all be living our lives. And I think that we can all use breaks, and we don't have to announce them publicly. We can just take a break. Hey, guys.

[Lauren Everts]

I just wanted to let you know I might not be on here for a while. And then they're back, like, four days later. It's like, we don't need to, like.

[Busy Phillips]

It's not a declaration is when the.

[Michael Bostic]

People announce, like, unfollowing. Not. I'm like this, you know. Okay. It's not an airport.

[Busy Phillips]

Okay. Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

What are some other things that you've opened up about on social media that have resonated with your audience? I know you talked about your ADHD diagnosis. Like, what are some of those things?

[Busy Phillips]

I mean, yes, I think the ADHD thing was. Was pretty wild just because that. And, you know, look, there's, like, lots of articles about it now, and, you know, many conversations are continuing to be had about it. But I was diagnosed later in life, honestly, at the same time as my daughter was, you know, being evaluated for, like, learning differences or what was going on in school. And that story is so common, I now know, especially, you know, in the last less than decade. Less than a decade, I suppose, especially for women, because ADHD presents differently in women and girls than it does in men and boys. So that hyper. That typical hyperactivity that you would see in a little boy, maybe, who has ADHD in a little girl might Present sort of like that hyperactivity might be going on more in her brain and so she's not running around in circles. So it's like a little bit, you know, sometimes those, it would be missed. Like ADHD would be missed in women and girls. But the other things are present and then they, you know, I sort of like compensated overcompensated and then you know, internalized things and felt a great deal of, you know, self shame and sort of, you know, negative self talk about my own abilities and my intelligence because I wasn't good at executive functioning, you know, because I had adhd.

[Lauren Everts]

How did you know that it happened? Like, did you like when you look back and you know that you have it now? How did you like, how. What was the trajectory?

[Busy Phillips]

Like, what do you mean?

[Lauren Everts]

Like, meaning like you did you decide to take your daughter in and then like how do you know?

[Michael Bostic]

Like, oh, there's.

[Busy Phillips]

Because they go through like a checklist and you like literally as we were sitting there going through the checklist, my ex husband is looking at me and I'm like, I know, I know it's me. I don't know.

[Lauren Everts]

Like, give me an example of something that they say.

[Busy Phillips]

I mean, well, there's, we can look online what the checklist is, but it's like do you have you know, trouble completing a task? Like what you know, and they. You sort of like rate it 1 to 5 or you know, do you often forget important things when you leave the house? Do you often misplace things? Do you have a hard time keeping your room clean? I mean this is like for like kids or whatever. You know, there's like all different types of things but like executive functioning, you know, in terms of to do lists and keeping things straight, double booking yourself.

[Michael Bostic]

So do you feel like once you kind of got that information, that diagnosis that it was helpful or harmful? Like do you feel.

[Busy Phillips]

Oh it was totally helpful.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay. Because you know how to.

[Lauren Everts]

That took the shame away that you were feeling.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah, yeah. And I mean I think also like Trevor Noah has spoken a lot about this too because he also has ADHD and has talked publicly about it. I think that that internalizing of it, you know, really always led for me and kind of like just a low grade feeling of low self worth and like low self esteem. No matter what I was accomplishing in my life, I always felt like a little bit further behind than everyone else and I didn't understand why I was felt like I was working so hard and trying so hard and it seemed so much easier for Everyone around me my whole life. Like in school, you know, the only times, you know, I have hyper focus too, which is like a. That's a part of adhd. So acting was a thing that I. That I genuinely love and am really great at. And so I can hyper focus and just like nail it. You know what I mean? Always on time for my call time. Like, always have my lines memorized because I would hyperfocus on it. Meanwhile, the rest of my life would like, be just totally falling apart because I couldn't keep more than one thing.

[Lauren Everts]

Do I have adhd? I mean, you might say I'm like.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, I think a lot of people probably like resonate with this.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah. It's also like part of being a person, but like, you know, that we all are tasked with especially working mothers, specifically keeping many things straight at one time. You know what I mean?

[Lauren Everts]

He always seems to have it, like, all. But that's a tricky, organized and all together. And I'm like, what is going.

[Michael Bostic]

It's a tricky diagnosis. I remember when I was a kid, I was always in trouble in school, but, like, teachers brought my family in and they said, okay, we think this guy has ADD and he need, you know, a bunch of young boys are like, hyperactive and crazy. But my dad was. Was like, well, I've seen this guy, like, sit down and really focus on things that he's really into. So he kind of like, didn't believe any of that sounds like the highest. He just kind of walked out and, you know, that was it.

[Busy Phillips]

Right.

[Michael Bostic]

But I think, like, this is what I'm hearing. You talk. It's like a tricky thing because if you can hyper focus like that and really nail it in certain areas of your life and succeed like you have, people will say, like, okay, everything's fine.

[Busy Phillips]

Right?

[Lauren Everts]

It's almost, though. You've almost used it to your advantage and had it work for you. It seems like when you're a lot.

[Busy Phillips]

Of people, you know, speaking of TikTok, but like, you know, there's a lot of that diagnosis TikTok and diagnosis social media. And some of it, I. When I see it, I'm like, oh, my gosh, that was add. Like, for instance, I saw this one with this person who was talking about how people with ADHD have a tendency to, like, eat the same things over and over and over again. And so wait, listen. So I am not even kidding you. When I was like in my early 20s, I went through a period of time where every day for lunch, I ate a turkey sandwich and Part of what the, like your brain reasoning for it, according to this TikTok I saw, guys, I'm not a doctor. Is that basically the decision making process of like what to eat becomes just another thing you have to deal with. And when you have add, you're already trying to keep all these things straight. So you're like, I know I like a turkey sandwich. I'm just gonna eat a turkey sandwich every day because then I don't have to make that decision. And that's like off of my brain plate.

[Michael Bostic]

It's like a fatigue thing.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm like having chills at the way you're describing this. I think I need to look into this.

[Busy Phillips]

I know, but it's so. But it's like so. But I mean, when I tell you about years, I ate a turkey sandwich every day for years for lunch. Because I was just like, I cannot decide.

[Lauren Everts]

I ate a bowl of meat every day, same thing.

[Busy Phillips]

What kind of bowl of meat?

[Lauren Everts]

A bowl of meat crush your hand. A bowl of organs.

[Michael Bostic]

It's not just a bowl of organs.

[Lauren Everts]

It is a bowl of organs. It's got heart and liver and.

[Busy Phillips]

What are you talking about?

[Michael Bostic]

There's a company called Force of Nature that does like a blend of like it's a ground beef and meat, but it's got organs in it as well.

[Lauren Everts]

That's like a turkey sandwich.

[Busy Phillips]

Wait, why?

[Lauren Everts]

Hopefully you eat some kind of meat. You're probably like, grew my hair. My hair used to be like up to here.

[Michael Bostic]

Protein's a big thing now on this.

[Lauren Everts]

The point is, is like I ate.

[Busy Phillips]

People are really obsessed with protein. I've always liked protein. It's good for me. You need protein, we need protein. But like, really, people are obsessed.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, they are a little. They get a little obsessed with things, don't they?

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, shows like this really kind of drive those kind of things.

[Busy Phillips]

So, you know, wait, I'm obsessed with your bowl of meat, that you're going.

[Michael Bostic]

To go back and look into it?

[Busy Phillips]

Huh?

[Lauren Everts]

That's. I need to look. So let me just ask you this. I know you're not a doctor. I'm just wondering, casual conversation, what is the difference between ADD and adhd?

[Busy Phillips]

Oh, I don't know. I sort of use it interchangeably. I don't know if there is really a difference. So sort of the same thing.

[Lauren Everts]

So when you were going through your divorce, did you want to bring this all to Instagram or did you want to keep it off Instagram? How did you go about that? Because you were so open and honest with the audience?

[Busy Phillips]

No, I mean, I think, I think that my relationship with social media has evolved as social media itself has evolved. And I think there was something much different, like in the early days of when I was doing stories. I mean, we're just in a different time now, you know, and I was hyper aware that things that I would say or put on my stories might end up, you know, as a story in publications. And I wanted to be really respectful of the experience that Mark and I were going through and our children and what they were experiencing. And they were also like a bit older, so they would be, you know, possibly someone at their school would see it or, you know, I think as the kids have gotten older, I've had to adjust how much I share on the podcast as well as on social media because I think it's not fair to them. And I think in the early days of social media we were sort of just like flying by the seat of our pants and like, we didn't know. I didn't know. I mean, I'm not even kidding you. Like when I started doing my Instagram stories and posting on Instagram, I kind of was like, this is just for my friends. And then like a few fans, you know, like I didn't really. It wasn't the thing that it then became. And you know, I don't, I wouldn't say that I like regret sharing my kids online, but I do sort of in retrospect, wish that I had had, I don't know, had not shared so much possibly of them. I just think that they deserve to like have their own experience.

[Michael Bostic]

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[Michael Bostic]

We were all kind of the first generation to kind of experiment with these things. There was no playbook. I think I always empathize with the parents like you who had kids in older generations that were like the first guinea pigs to go through this with phones and on social because I imagine it's really challenging. Like, kids have phones now. Kids are taking. We didn't have any of that our generation. With younger, you're gonna kind of see like, okay, how did that first group handle this? And what did they do right? And what did they. Shouldn't they not have done? I think it's an important conversation because at that time, for younger people, they don't see this, but nobody had the playbook or the advice on how to manage any of this, right? And it felt very accepting at the time. You had the community there. Now you don't really know who's following and how and what the intention is.

[Busy Phillips]

That's right. That to your point. That's what I mean. Like in that early day, I felt like it was really a community and it was really supportive. It felt very supportive.

[Michael Bostic]

Rarely bad comments.

[Busy Phillips]

Yes. And I think that the whole landscape kind of shifted and. Yeah, I mean, I think we were all trying to figure it out. And also I would say that I do feel like intuitively or not, I never shared anything. Even though there were things that were going on in my kids lives that were tough, I never shared anything from their lives that could possibly. That in my estimation now this is like, this is where it's like they're their own people. Right. But in my estimation, nothing that I shared when they were younger would be something that, you know, could be embarrassing to them later in life. You know. But again, they're their own people, so they get to decide what was embarrassing or not embarrassing for me to have shared. In terms of Birdie, you know, Birdie's very. My older daughter was always very much. Well, she's always been like hyper verbal and really smart. And I mean, both my kids are very smart but really expressive. And Birdie always was very specific of like, I would like for you to share this. I don't want you to, you know.

[Michael Bostic]

Yep, sure.

[Busy Phillips]

To me. And yeah. And like, and my younger daughter Cricket, a couple years ago was like, I do not want to be on your Instagram at all. Period. Full stop. And I was like, great, you don't have to be on my Instagram ever again. Like, that's great.

[Lauren Everts]

Isn't it weird how they're so different?

[Busy Phillips]

They're so different. And it is funny sometimes when like people leave comments like, I know who your favorite child is. It's very clear. I'm like, do you?

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Michael Bostic]

But that's what I'm saying.

[Busy Phillips]

Like, all right.

[Michael Bostic]

Those kind of comments are the new age social.

[Busy Phillips]

Right, Right, Exactly.

[Michael Bostic]

You didn't get them in the past.

[Busy Phillips]

I mean, that's. Yeah. Just not everyone knows my favorite child is my dog. I'm kidding.

[Lauren Everts]

How have you managed to co parent so successfully? What are the tips for people who are listening?

[Busy Phillips]

Like, through divorce?

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Busy Phillips]

Well, I really love Mark.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Busy Phillips]

It's my ex husband.

[Lauren Everts]

It seems like you have like a very good relationship with him.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah, he's awesome.

[Lauren Everts]

I wouldn't be like this, just so you know.

[Busy Phillips]

Well, I don't know that. And you don't know that. You don't know how you would be. I mean, you're how many months postpartum right now?

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, let's not make the decision right now.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah, let's not talk about it right now.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Busy Phillips]

Cause you're not even. You know what I mean?

[Lauren Everts]

I think you're pretty cool how you are. It seems like you guys are pretty cool with each other.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah, well, we did a lot of therapy for many, many years before we even separated.

[Lauren Everts]

Got it. Okay.

[Busy Phillips]

And, like, the therapy that. The couples therapy. I'm a hu. I don't, like, religiously watch couples therapy that show, but I do love it. I love to dip in and out, and I do just love that. I hope that it's normalizing couples therapy at all stages of relationships, because I think that there's so much value in finding a person that can help you find a common language with your partner, because it's. It's hard, you know, like, it's hard under the best of circumstances. Like, and then you add all of the kids and the craziness in career and, you know, upset and turmoil and taking people for granted and whatever, you know, into the mix, and then it's just becomes. And just like, life. Like, the mundane parts of life, and it can be really difficult. So I think, you know, I'm a big believer in couples therapy, and I do think that Mark and I both look at our relationship as very successful, even though we ended one part of it, which was the romantic part of our relationship. And ultimately, we want the other person to be happy and fulfilled and be living their truest life. You know, it's very evolved, busy.

[Michael Bostic]

It's a very healthy.

[Lauren Everts]

Everyone's like that. It's healthy.

[Busy Phillips]

Well, I think that Mark is. What I really love about him is that I think that he's very much a person who, you know, is as down to dismantle the patriarchy as I am. And I think a lot of our belief systems about the way that it looks when heteronormative relationships end is deeply rooted in, like, a patriarchal society and the idea that partnerships are actually ownerships, when, in fact, they're not. And he never had ownership over me, and I never had ownership over him. And we came to the conclusion of our romantic partnership together, entered into a new phase that at times was messy and feelings were hurt, and it was hard, but we did a lot of work to make sure that our kids didn't see too much of that and that we were able to forgive one another continuously. It's a process. I was, like, mad at him the other day, and, like, you know, and he apologized and I was like, okay, I appreciate that. Thank you. You know, like, we continue to have this, you know, conversation that's kind of ongoing. We're not like in therapy anymore. But. But I think that part of that idea of like, once one person is like, wait, I don't know if I'm in this in the same way anymore. There are going to be hurt feelings and it's going to not feel great. And then the challenge becomes if you have children and you want to maintain a relationship with this person, I mean, I think you owe it to your children to do it. That was like, my feeling was always like, we owe it to them and can't get bogged down in our own weirdness because ultimately, at the end of the day, like, life is so short.

[Lauren Everts]

How have you managed to stay, like, so down to earth and real? You can, like, you get it when you, when you talk to you in Hollywood because it's very, it's a, it's a very, it's a different energy than a lot of Hollywood to me.

[Busy Phillips]

Well, I mean, I don't really hang out with a lot of people from Hollywood, I guess so much. I mean, Michelle Williams is like one of my best friends, but obviously she is one of my closest friends of all time. But she is also similarly very grounded and down to earth and really family focused. And I don't know, I think it's just kind of who I am. And I think there are a ton of people in Hollywood that are like that. I just, like, in any industry you have, you know, people that are not chill.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Busy Phillips]

And like, not real.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Busy Phillips]

You know, but I just try to gravitate towards people that have the same kind of energy as I do and not really waste my time.

[Lauren Everts]

It's, I mean, it's a full time job.

[Busy Phillips]

It is.

[Lauren Everts]

I want to talk about your early acting because everyone would. We have to talk about that and how it's. We're bringing it full circle to today.

[Busy Phillips]

Oh, yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

When did you get your big break on Dawson's Creek? Like, what was the moment that you knew that this was gonna change your whole life?

[Busy Phillips]

Well, I don't know if. I mean, you know, it's so funny. So I had done, you know, Freaks and Geeks was the first TV show that I did and I was 19. I was a sophomore in college and got cast on that show and it was, you know, NBC. It felt like that was gonna change my life, you know. And then we started doing press for the show and, you know, it was James Franco and Jason Segel and Linda Cardellini and John Francis Daley and Judd Apatow and Paul Feig and Seth Rogen. And it just really felt like, man.

[Michael Bostic]

That show launched a lot of.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah, it launched like, it was crazy.

[Lauren Everts]

Was that a fun set?

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah, it was so fun. I mean, it was so fun. And doing the press for the show, everyone was saying, like, this is the best new show of the season. This and the West Wing were like, the two new best shows of the season. And then, you know, and I was sort of like, well, this is it. Like, I'm gonna. Like, it's gonna happen, you know? And then it, like, just did not. Like, no one watched the show. Like, the ratings were bad. We kind of always knew that. It was like, NBC didn't think it was a hit. We were sort of. We got the back order for the, you know, back. It's like a back nine, but I think they only gave us seven. And, you know, we were just sort of, like, chugging along, but it really felt like no one knew who we were. It wasn't a hand.

[Michael Bostic]

When you say back nine, is that how they used to structure the deals? Like, you get a season if it does.

[Busy Phillips]

So it's like on a network show that used to be that they would do, like, they would order for a new show. They would order 13 episodes for the fall. So they would start with 13, and then they would give you an order for the back nine if the show was successful. So that would be like, an option, almost. Yeah. So that would be like a full season of a show. Like on Cougar Town, for instance, we got the first 13 episodes when we premiered, and then they ordered 10, I think. Cause we did a lot that first season on abc. But then the second season, they did, like, the full season order. So 22 episodes.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

So.

[Busy Phillips]

But that was like the old structure of network tv that doesn't. I don't even know if that exists anymore.

[Michael Bostic]

They just. Green light right off the bat now. Well, they're going to do it. Like, they just did the whole season. Right.

[Busy Phillips]

I think they still do 13, like, for a lot of shows, but they also do, you know, like, they'll only do 13 episodes.

[Lauren Everts]

Did you guys skyrocket to the moon with Dawson's Creek, or did it look like that from the outside looking in?

[Busy Phillips]

Well, those kids did, for sure. I mean, they. So I did Freaks and Geeks. I did that season of Freaks and Geeks where it was like, I thought things were gonna be one way. It just clearly didn't happen. And then that next year of my life after that show was canceled, I mean, I was really sort of let down and couldn't believe, like, I really thought that it was gonna be a whole thing, you know. And I did some, like, I did like an indie movie. I did like a made for. For TV movie. I was just like, trying to work. I thought about going back to college for a second and I was going to. And then got another job and then got a call that they were. That the Dawson's Creek producers were adding a couple new characters. Cause the kids were going to college. They wanted me to come in and read and then test for this new series regular part to be Joey Potter's roommate at college. And I mean, Dawson's Creek was. Yeah, they had skyrocketed. That was maybe a year or two before Freaks and Geeks. That show had premiered. Yeah, it was like the COVID of Rolling Stone. They were the COVID of Entertainment Wii. They were. They were hugely, hugely successful. You know, James had done Varsity Blues and Josh was in whatever the horror movie was, and Katie was starring in, you know, Ice Storm and Michelle was in Dick. Like, they were like huge stars, those kids. And so it's like a little intimidating from that perspective. But I wasn't a fan of the show. Like, I hadn't really watched it and. But I hadn't really watched. I had never seen it when I got the part.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, my gosh.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah. Yeah, I know, it's really strange.

[Lauren Everts]

I remember. I remember where I was sitting watching you on the screen, really like, oh, my gosh, she's. I remember thinking, oh, my gosh, she's so pretty.

[Busy Phillips]

Oh, that's so nice.

[Lauren Everts]

And like, like, it. It added, like, it added a layer to the show when you came on, in my opinion. So when you. When you get around all these people that are so famous, you said it was intimidating. Were they all welcoming and nice and cool and down to earth?

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah. I actually met James first, like, right when I landed in Wilmington and I was taken to the hotel that they were putting me up at to start with before I, like, gotten apart, like, found an apartment and stuff to live in. And I met James and he was staying in the hotel too, because his house. I think he had rented his house out for the summer or something. And it wasn't like he couldn't go back yet. And he was so kind and really, like, I hear great things and I'm super excited to work with you and really lovely. And then Michelle was. Happened to be across the street at the convenience market, getting. I don't even remember what, Like, I don't know, picking some things up. And she was heading to her apartment, and she walked across the street, and I met her. I mean, Wilmington, North Carolina, at the time was like, a very small town. It's like 2001. This is the summer of 2001. Yeah. And I met Michelle, and, like, we sort of instantly were just like, okay, well, we're gonna hang out all the time. Like, you know, like, let's just sit down and.

[Lauren Everts]

And did your life change after that completely?

[Busy Phillips]

No.

[Lauren Everts]

Really?

[Busy Phillips]

No. Yeah. No, it didn't. No, it really didn't.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, my gosh. I feel that show was like. Like, that was the show.

[Busy Phillips]

It was. But, like, it also was like. It was the college years. So I think, you know, sort of that skyrocket moment had really happened already for them. And, you know, now it was, like, very clearly like. It was. It was like the last two years of the show. And it wasn't that. It wasn't hugely popular. And, I mean, it was. And tons of people watched it. But, yeah, I just. It wasn't, like, a noticeable shift. And in terms of, you know, auditions or parts or.

[Michael Bostic]

Like, it had already exploded on the scene.

[Busy Phillips]

It had. Yeah. And so for me, coming into it also, again, like, the Internet didn't really exist. So, I mean. And by the way, kind of. Thank God. Cause I was sort of a mess, but it wasn't like, you know, I don't know. There weren't people writing about how awesome I was on the show or something. Like, it wasn't. I didn't. It didn't even really. I didn't really feel like it being.

[Lauren Everts]

It was Dawson's Creek and another show, but I can't remember the other show. What was the other?

[Busy Phillips]

Felicity.

[Lauren Everts]

No, there was another show. It was Dawson's Creek. And. Yes. And it's gonna. I don't know if it was on the wb, but there was. Those were, like, the two shows to watch, and I forgot what the other one was. I only remember Dawson's Creek.

[Busy Phillips]

Oh, no.

[Lauren Everts]

So. So how does it.

[Busy Phillips]

What's the other show?

[Michael Bostic]

Well, thank God, Gillian.

[Lauren Everts]

It's gonna drive me nuts what the other show was, if you think of it. How do you guys decide now to bring all of this sort of, like, back and, like, reactivate the reading that you're doing?

[Busy Phillips]

Oh, well. Okay. So James Van Der Beek found out that he had cancer.

[Lauren Everts]

And he has six children.

[Busy Phillips]

And they have six kids? Yeah, he and Kimberly have six kids. And he, you know, revealed that quite some time ago now, I guess. Was it December or January last year and. Or this year? January this year. December last year. You know, that sort of like, brought us kind of all back together. Michelle and I, obviously, are very, very close friends, and we've remained super, super tight friends for all of these years. We all saw each other, I mean, probably like seven years ago now to do this Entertainment Weekly cover, like, special reunion issue. But, you know, we reached out to James. I mean, I reached out to James. I know Michelle reached out to James, and. And, you know, we've seen. I've seen Katie over the years. Michelle's seen Katie, but, like, we haven't stayed in super close contact. Josh also, I. Josh and I are, you know, we text every once in a while, but, like, everybody lives such disparate lives, and we have all these other things going on. Josh Jackson, when, you know, he lost his home in the fires in Los Angeles last year. And so, you know, at that point, I was reaching out to him a lot and making sure that he was okay. So after James, you know, revealed his diagnosis, and we all sort of were like, what. Can we. Can we do something? Like, we should do something. Like, let's just do something. Michelle really was the one that kind of led the charge and just was, like, busy. I just really feel like we have to get together and we should do, like, a fundraiser, and it can benefit, you know, Greg Berlanti, who was one of the showrunners of Dawson's Creek. He's, like, on the board of f Cancer organization. She's like, we can benefit f Cancer, and we can benefit, like, you know, a fund for James's kids. And, you know, we should just try to put something together. And she really, really has, like, led the charge. And so we tried to do it earlier, like, in the spring, and schedules just didn't work out. And we're going to do it. Yeah. On September 22nd at the Richard Rogers Theater on Broadway. And ticket sales have been insane. It sold out in, like, 12 minutes.

[Lauren Everts]

Wow.

[Busy Phillips]

And a lot of people are asking for it to be streamed, live streamed. But, you know, I was talking to all the people that are involved. I mean, this is kind of like a huge undertaking. Like, there's producers and people from the theater, and it's like, you know, who are helping coordinate. And the Richard Rogers Theater is where Hamilton is. It's where Hamilton's performed. So we're doing it on Monday night because Broadway is dark on Monday nights, and it's My understanding, we can't actually do a live stream because of, like, what the cost of that would be. So I know that they're going to be filming parts of it and, like, hopefully we'll be able to, like, put together something at a later date and so that people can. Who aren't able to make it are going to be able to see some of it.

[Lauren Everts]

Are you guys reenacting a. Like, you guys today, or is it you reading an old script from back in the day?

[Busy Phillips]

I don't even know, Danny. Am I, like, even allowed to say what is happening, or is it a surprise? Yeah, I think it's a surprise.

[Lauren Everts]

It's a surprise. Okay, so we. So we're in for a surprise.

[Busy Phillips]

Well, there's.

[Michael Bostic]

I was gonna say buy some tickets, but.

[Busy Phillips]

Well, I know. Are there any tickets left?

[Michael Bostic]

I feel like people could figure out that streaming thing.

[Busy Phillips]

And there's a raffle, though, that's happening for tickets now, which somebody was very angry with me about online the other day, and I was like, I mean, I'm not doing it. What. I mean, this is all going to charity anyway. It's like 100% of the proceeds are going to charity.

[Lauren Everts]

So someone online will always find something to be mad about.

[Busy Phillips]

I know they were upset because they had, like, spent a lot of money, and then they're like, and now you're just raffling off tickets for 25. I was like, yeah, but you don't spend 25. You don't know if you're gonna win. You know what I mean? Like, you. There's no guarantee that you're getting a ticket, babe.

[Lauren Everts]

Sometimes you just not explain stuff.

[Michael Bostic]

You can always enter the raffle.

[Busy Phillips]

Somebody. Somebody will win. And it's possible that they Maybe just spent 25 on raffle tickets. Do you know what I mean?

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Busy Phillips]

Who knows?

[Lauren Everts]

Sometimes you just can't win online.

[Busy Phillips]

Yes. Well, ain't that the truth.

[Lauren Everts]

How do you think about social media today? And how do you show up on social media?

[Busy Phillips]

I mean, I feel like I'm so bad at it now.

[Lauren Everts]

So you don't want to, like, storytell through stories anymore?

[Busy Phillips]

Like, you can't do. I do sometimes, yeah. Like, I do. I do. I do enjoy it, but I just feel like I have so many other things that are happening in my life that I have to focus on, and I really. And, you know, I've never had anyone do my social media for me, so I've never had any. And post for me. I don't have a social media manager. Like, I don't have a person who's like, you know what you should do? You should do some, like, cooking videos or whatever, and we'll come over and film a bunch of content for you and then we'll upload it. Like, I know a lot of actors and celebrities that do that kind of content creation. I, like, don't have someone who's filming things for me and, like, then giving me the content, like, later. And I was really lucky because my ex husband Mark is kind of an amazing photographer. And so for so long, I had just, like, the best pictures to post.

[Lauren Everts]

It's hard to get a divorce from.

[Busy Phillips]

I mean, honestly, I always am. Like, I'm sad that I divorced my Instagram husband.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, I'm not a very good photographer at all. So I.

[Busy Phillips]

It's the worst. I know it was a real bummer.

[Lauren Everts]

On my second marriage. I'm gonna. One of the requirements is you have to be an incredible photographer.

[Michael Bostic]

No, I feel much more vulnerable in this relationship now that I should tackle on that photographer.

[Busy Phillips]

I think you need to work on your skills. Zar.

[Lauren Everts]

The work.

[Michael Bostic]

You know what? I. I set the bar so low in the beginning because I knew if I was good, if I developed that skill, it would be like, that's what I would become.

[Lauren Everts]

By the way, I've taken so many amazing photos of you, and you're like, send me all of them. And you're like, posting yourself.

[Busy Phillips]

I get literal Jack.

[Lauren Everts]

You take some blurry photo with a dirty lens. It's horrible.

[Busy Phillips]

It's also funny, though, too, kind of.

[Michael Bostic]

I see some of these guys that are the photographers, and it's a tough gig, I think.

[Busy Phillips]

I think it's a tough gig. Mark always liked it. Cause he loves. He genuinely loves pictures, but. Yeah, but it's so funny. I do feel like I said to him at some point during our separation, early on, at one point I was like, oh, I think you're over me. The pictures aren't good anymore. And I was just like. I was like, but that's real. Like, I feel like that's real. He still takes the most beautiful pictures of our children. So at least I benefit from that even if I'm not posting them online. But, like, yeah, he really. I remember the turn. I, like, remember when I was like, oh, yeah, you don't see me that way anymore. Like, it's a.

[Michael Bostic]

Photos are a reflection of his adoration.

[Busy Phillips]

And that's. I think it was. I mean, I really think it was.

[Lauren Everts]

Huh.

[Busy Phillips]

I know. Interesting.

[Lauren Everts]

How do you think about everything you're doing? Now, what are the buckets that you're putting your energy into?

[Busy Phillips]

Oh my gosh, so many buckets. I mean, my kids, my teenagers, I know before we started and you were like, I think once they're a little bit older, it'll be so much easier, feel better. I know. And the truth is it's hard in a different way. And they demand. It's challenging in new ways because you want to make sure that you're there for them and you're able to like, be supportive and also meet them where they're at, but also not meet them as like a peer, because that's weird. And provide them with safe boundaries. But also know that like at a certain point, age 17, like she's making decisions on her own that I'm not gonna be involved in and she may or may not even tell me about. And I have to feel good about how Mark and I have parented her up till this point to know that she's gonna be making the best choices she can make.

[Lauren Everts]

That's so hard.

[Busy Phillips]

It is so hard.

[Lauren Everts]

It's hard.

[Busy Phillips]

Like, whereas when you're, when you have the baby, right, like, your brain is always like, we're keeping this baby alive. We're keeping this baby alive. Like, I'm keeping track of all of these different things that we need all the time to protect my children. Right. It's a similar piece of your brain, but you, there's no, there's no practical outlet for it. You can't like, you can't babyproof the outlets. Do you know what I mean? You have to just know that like theoretically, you baby proofed the outlets emotionally. Hopefully.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Busy Phillips]

So that they're strong enough to move into this very confusing, very difficult, complicated time in their lives and in the world. It's hard.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. And also teaching them how to manage social media with that.

[Busy Phillips]

Oh yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

I mean, I can't imagine being a 17 year old girl and having like the Internet, how it is now. It's a lot, it's intense. You have to really have.

[Busy Phillips]

I'm more concerned, I have to tell you, just personally, just in watching it. And I think it, I think it shifts. I think it'll just be different for your kids too. For me, I think that like really where a lot where I saw a lot of parents kind of falter, fall off the cliff. The conversation was always open in our house about social media. Because of my job and my presence, I saw a lot of parents not deal with it early enough.

[Lauren Everts]

What do you mean?

[Busy Phillips]

Like, I mean, parents saying things like, well, my kid's just not gonna have social media until they're X age. And it's like, baby, your kid is playing Roblox. They have social media.

[Lauren Everts]

What is Roadblocks? Everyone talks about this.

[Busy Phillips]

It's a game.

[Michael Bostic]

I know exactly what you're saying.

[Busy Phillips]

Kids can, like, talk to other kids through Roblox and like, you have to have these conversations at, like, age 8 and 9, not wait until they're teenagers. They need to start learning what's appropriate to say and post and communicate online when they're like, younger. That was where I saw a lot of my peers as parents have a little bit of a disconnect where they're like, well, my kid's not even gonna have a phone until middle school. Middle school.

[Lauren Everts]

It's exactly like sex though, isn't it? Yes, but it's like, it's like when we were young, our parents are like, well, I'm not gonna talk to her about sex because she's 13 years old. And it's like, no, actually, they're already doing sexual things at 13 years old. You need to have the conversation at, like, probably 12 or even 11.

[Busy Phillips]

It's.

[Lauren Everts]

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[Busy Phillips]

Sleep.

[Lauren Everts]

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[Michael Bostic]

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[Busy Phillips]

Totally.

[Michael Bostic]

Where, like, if you, like, take someone like my dad, who, again, has never been on it, he doesn't even know what advice to give because he doesn't even understand what's going on on the platforms to begin with. And then the kids get a hold of it and, like, he can't. Like, he could have never given me advice on how to manage this thing because he's never used the thing.

[Busy Phillips]

Right.

[Michael Bostic]

But if you're in it day in, day out and you understand, like, how the comments were, and you can also. This is a weird thing. I was thinking about another lens. You can kind of get the temperature of the Internet and what's going on and what's, like, happening in the moment, if that makes sense. If you're in it, you go, okay. Like, you know, there's a lot of crazy stuff going on right now. It's like, hey, maybe take a beat for a second, you know?

[Busy Phillips]

Well, one thing that I feel like I said to Birdie very early on, and I've said to Cricket now as well, very early on was this idea of, like, here's the thing, kids, like, in life, once you see something, you can never unsee it, and it's in your brain forever. And there are just things in this world that you don't wanna have in your brain. I'm just telling you, you just don't.

[Lauren Everts]

That's very good advice.

[Busy Phillips]

And, like, you know, we're talking today, which this will air in a few weeks, but the day after, something really horrific happened that was all over social media, and. And there's no way to protect yourself sometimes as an adult from seeing really horrific imagery.

[Michael Bostic]

You're right, you can't unsee that stuff.

[Busy Phillips]

You cannot unsee. It's in your brain forever and you don't need it. I'm telling you, you don't need it. And so you have to be very, very careful and vigilant and you know, like you said earlier, every kid is different. And like that message to Birdie was like, yes. Like she really older kid, like first daughter, whatever. Like she was like, yes, Cricket, I can tell is a little bit more of like, but what if I see it? You know what I mean? Like, maybe I saw it, you know, and that's. And then you have to, you have to like meet them there. You have to meet your kid where they are there and say like, okay, so what did you. Did you end up seeing that thing and what did, what happened and how did it make you feel and are you all right about it?

[Lauren Everts]

Do you have to have that conversation at this point with everyone?

[Michael Bostic]

Of course.

[Lauren Everts]

Of course.

[Busy Phillips]

And the other thing that I did that like is just such a bummer is that I watched every YouTuber that they liked, both of my children. I cannot tell you about the television show the Bear because I have missed all of the seasons. But I can tell you about Kaelyn and Weston Corey, my daughter's favorite YouTubers. And I can tell you about a bunch of other YouTubers, Veronica and Kyle. Love em. Shout out.

[Michael Bostic]

And he's just watching them to make sure that it's like, you wanna see what's going on, you wanna understand what they're watching.

[Busy Phillips]

It's not just that, it's like, yes, 100%. Because I think also when they were like a little bit younger and Starting to watch YouTube, I think there's a lot that gets put in to subliminal shit. Well, just like you just have to watch it. And I'm so, and like, it's a lot of. I think that a lot of parents sort of use it as a little bit of a babysitter. And, and I think that that's the biggest mistake because obviously like, you can't course correct messaging or things that don't align with what you believe in your home. If like your kids, you think these boys are watching just a thing about cool cars and then it's Andrew Tate, you know what I mean? Like, that's like, that was the thing with my older daughter was really like that era of where the, the middle school boys were like, he's all about like money and cars. Like, yeah, middle school boys like money and cars. And guess what else? They were getting a lot of misogyny and horrible, horrible rhetoric about how women are possessions and they're yours to take. And you know, we had like lots of conversations with the school about it because Birdie was coming home and telling us like, these boys are like, obsessed with Andrew Tate and da, da, da, da, da. And I talked to one of the parents, and they were like, I don't know what that is.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah.

[Busy Phillips]

I don't know who that is. I'm like, will, your son does.

[Lauren Everts]

So how'd they see that?

[Michael Bostic]

Because it's. Because it's. I mean, what do you mean?

[Busy Phillips]

It's on YouTube. I mean, what happens?

[Lauren Everts]

So they would be watching cars, and then it would just go to Andrew.

[Busy Phillips]

He does car. Like, he was like, look at my car. Look at the thing. Look at the money. It's all a grind. And, like, you're gonna grind and you're gonna make money. And then also. Also all of these other horrible, horrible ideological ideas that were, like, getting put into it.

[Lauren Everts]

That's wild. You have to be like, a detective as a parent. It's like, so many hats to put on. You're really an octopus. It's like a detective.

[Michael Bostic]

I mean, you were lucky.

[Lauren Everts]

A circus act. A juggler. When I was a kid, you gotta be a cook.

[Michael Bostic]

If you were lucky, you would find, like, a dirty magazine in the bushes. That was about it.

[Busy Phillips]

I know.

[Michael Bostic]

Now you can find everything.

[Lauren Everts]

I feel like that's a very, like, specific story. You found dirty magazines in the bushes.

[Busy Phillips]

No, it's not. It's not. I swear to you, it's not. I. So many guy men that I know and I'm friends with were like, yeah, yeah. Behind the Circle K, there was, like, a dumpster. And you knew that, like, behind the dumpster there would be like, I have another friend who. In the woods, they were like, you find a dirty magazine in the woods.

[Michael Bostic]

There was a cache. I don't know if it was, like, a community thing that I was like, you might need this at some.

[Busy Phillips]

It's like a library in the woods. Yes. I swear to you, I have heard this story from so many dudes.

[Michael Bostic]

And then you had, like, the secret VHS tape. If you were lucky, like, you had, like, one tape.

[Busy Phillips]

Well, I remember my sister was obsessed with George Michael, the singer. I mean, obviously. And she got the VHS of I want your sex, which was like a music video. Guys, it was not a porn. Yeah, but we literally thought it was like. Like, watching porn. Like, we did not know, but we.

[Michael Bostic]

Were like, remember back in the day, you would have the last on the remote control, and you'd be, like, up at night, in the middle of the night, and there'd be, like, Cinemax or HBO or whatever was on, and then someone walking to hit last and it goes back to, like, an Infomercial.

[Busy Phillips]

Oh, my God. That is really funny. So you'd just be, like, beating your.

[Lauren Everts]

Meat to HBO and press last when.

[Michael Bostic]

Your mom would stay home from school. And it would be like, Jerry Springer. You'd be, like 6 years old, and people would be screaming and throwing chairs at each other. Like, that's what we grew up on. It was wholesome at the time.

[Busy Phillips]

No, I mean, yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Dirty magazine, Jerry Springer.

[Busy Phillips]

I mean, there is something to be said for that. I mean, there is definitely something to be said for that.

[Lauren Everts]

I think what you said, though, about. About talking to your kids before it happens or early instead of. I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna talk to my kids about sex. When they start having sex, you need to talk about it before.

[Michael Bostic]

It's a really.

[Lauren Everts]

They have context.

[Michael Bostic]

It's a crazy thing, though, because. So I was talking to another friend of mine who's got older kids, and he's saying that the problem is that if you get, you know, you see even pornography on the Internet, like, what a young kid thinks is supposed to be a sexual experience is then so revved up, stretched, that then when they have a real one, it's like, what. This is what they think. That's what it's supposed to be, depending on how hardcore. Whatever the stuff. And he said, you have to, like, really just be mindful of that stuff because we didn't have access to it. And so.

[Lauren Everts]

Right.

[Busy Phillips]

That was the. That's the other conversation. You especially. You guys have boys, like, you really have to talk to them about pornography. And, like, it's. I know. No one wants to do it. No one wants to talk to their parents about porn. And nobody wants to talk to their children about porn. And you have to.

[Lauren Everts]

I thought that my boys were just gonna, like, stare at photos. As long as I don't have to.

[Michael Bostic]

Talk to my daughter about porn when.

[Lauren Everts]

I, like, have starshots.

[Busy Phillips]

You don't have to, but you. Someone has to talk to your daughter about porn.

[Michael Bostic]

I'm have a rough time. I'm gonna have. I'm gonna struggle with that. We're gonna become Amish and just.

[Busy Phillips]

Well, they get a rum spring of honey. So you know what I mean?

[Michael Bostic]

Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. The Amish, I feel the rum in the family. They're having fun. The Amish are the rum.

[Busy Phillips]

Springer is the year that they get before they, like, fully commit their lives. So it's like. I think it's like they're 19 years old or something. There's a really good documentary about it.

[Michael Bostic]

Perfect age for a Rum stringer.

[Busy Phillips]

And they spend an entire. They get like at least a year. Some of them take longer and they just go wild.

[Michael Bostic]

I think I had like a six year rum stringer. That's what I.

[Busy Phillips]

You might have. You may have.

[Lauren Everts]

I hope you got it out of your system before we got married.

[Michael Bostic]

Six year one.

[Lauren Everts]

What does it take to date you at this point?

[Michael Bostic]

Oh, my God, what a transition.

[Lauren Everts]

I love it.

[Michael Bostic]

From hardcore porn to. What is it like?

[Lauren Everts]

What is. What is like, your requirements where you're.

[Busy Phillips]

Like, you have to be single and not married.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, that's a good one.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay, check, check.

[Busy Phillips]

No, you guys, you would be shocked at, like, at this point, how many married men, like, hit me up like.

[Lauren Everts]

On like Raya or like on DM or what?

[Busy Phillips]

No, no, no. I mean, if. I mean, if they're on Raya. But yeah, now, I mean, there are like a lot of people who are like, ethically non monogamous or whatever.

[Michael Bostic]

Dr. Drew said that doesn't work.

[Busy Phillips]

I don't know what. I mean, who knows what works for anyone? I don't know. I mean, I think I'm very wary of people who make blanket statements is what I would say.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I feel different.

[Busy Phillips]

Do you know what I'm saying?

[Lauren Everts]

Like, everyone's different.

[Busy Phillips]

Everyone's different. I don't know if I've ever known it to work for anyone, but, like, maybe it does. I don't know. So I'm.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm open to where people are coming into your GMs.

[Busy Phillips]

Well, no, it has happened. Yes, but I'm just saying. I'm just saying you have to be single.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Busy Phillips]

And I don't know, I like, you.

[Michael Bostic]

Know, public person or non public person, better or worse or. It doesn't matter.

[Busy Phillips]

I don't think I've ever really. I mean, I don't know if I've really ever dated someone who's like, public person. Maybe. I don't know. Or sort of. I guess, I guess I have sort of. I actually never thought I had a type. And now I realize, like, I do actually sort of have a type, which is just like, I like very intelligent men who are funny, generally, like, have a good sense of humor and are creative. And I generally like men who are writers or who work like in this industry, in my industry, just for a lot of reasons. But I think, like, I just, you know, I need to be able to do bits with them.

[Lauren Everts]

And you also need to be a photographer.

[Busy Phillips]

That's not as important anymore. I'm okay with not having a photographer boyfriend or Instagram boyfriend or husband, but, you know, I'm okay with that.

[Lauren Everts]

What does the next chapter of your life look like?

[Busy Phillips]

I don't know.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, like, what are the. Are you going to be concentrating on writing? Is it like, more social? Like, what's. What's the cocktail?

[Busy Phillips]

I think it's sort of every. I think I'm hopeful that I'm able to, like, continue doing lots of different things.

[Lauren Everts]

We need another book.

[Busy Phillips]

I think I need to write another book. Yeah, I've been working on some stuff. Yes. Thank you. It was very successful.

[Lauren Everts]

Were you like. Or did you know it was gonna be that successful?

[Busy Phillips]

I felt like it was gonna be really successful.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. I feel like it's gotta be very high up on the Amazon chart. So we need another book.

[Busy Phillips]

That's nice. I mean, it's been so many years now. I definitely feel like I need to write another book and I would like to do that, but I need to find the time for that, you know, really. Girls 5 Eva reminded me how much I love acting. And so I'm very excited to, like, do some more acting. But I also. I'm writing things for myself to star in. And then I have another movie that I'm working on that would be for myself to direct that I would not be in.

[Lauren Everts]

You're good on a mic.

[Busy Phillips]

Yes. I mean, we are sort of taking a break on the podcast for now just because. For a myriad of reasons. And I have the QVC talk show still, so I'm filming some more episodes of that later this month and there'll be like, holiday specials that'll be coming out soon. And then I'm producing. I'm one of the co producers of this Off Broadway play called Ginger Twinsies that's a parody of the Parent Trap. It's really, really funny and wild and.

[Lauren Everts]

Hilarious for young or old. Like, could you bring, like, your kids to it?

[Busy Phillips]

No, it's like a little adult in tone in nature. And I'm also one of the producers of an off Broadway play at Playwrights Horizons called Nothing Can Take youe From the Hand of God that starts previews October 2nd and stars Jennifer Tulloch from Severance. It's a one woman show and it's really brilliant. She wrote it with this playwright, Frank Winters, that's like her writing partner. And I'm thrilled about that. So, like, I'm doing a lot of different things and I like them all. And then I've got these kids, you know, demanding a lot from me.

[Lauren Everts]

I thought I was gonna be done.

[Busy Phillips]

At 15 no, honey, they just. It just changes, you know? But like, Birdie just last weekend or the weekend before, so she's. I do like that. My kids, like, get into old shows. They really like old shows. And so Birdie's new, old show is Arrested Development.

[Michael Bostic]

Oh, it's a great show.

[Busy Phillips]

And so we literally spent, like, hours on the sofa. You know, like, there's that too. Like, it's like you just get to hang with your kid and it's like a great hang. She's fun, she's funny. We postmated some food. We're watching Arrest Development.

[Lauren Everts]

It's a special chapter.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah, it's really nice. There's like, a lot of times there's like the complicated hard stuff, and then also you get, like, that stuff, which is great.

[Lauren Everts]

Busy Phillips, thank you for coming on the show. Where can everyone find you? Where can everyone, if they can, livestream it, check out what you're doing with Dawson's Creek.

[Busy Phillips]

Yes, yes. I mean, check the socials for all the information on that. And then the QVC talk show, you can watch all the episodes on qvc. It's called Busy this Week. And we have, like, incredible. We've had incredible guests. I mean, David Letterman and Rosie o' Donnell and, I mean, I'm hopeful that Oprah will come on at some point. I just gotta go.

[Lauren Everts]

Let's manifest it.

[Busy Phillips]

Yes, let's manifest it.

[Michael Bostic]

You could buy everything on the.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah, like, it's sort of like we don't sell stuff outright on the show, but like. Yeah, like, a lot of the stuff that you see, you can buy my. I always am wearing stuff that's available on qvc.

[Lauren Everts]

Smart.

[Busy Phillips]

And. Yeah, it's cool. It's actually, like, really the most fun, and I love it so much. And they've been wonderful partners.

[Lauren Everts]

So thank you for diagnosing me with ADHD on this show.

[Busy Phillips]

I'm not a doctor.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm not a doctor. I'm gonna go down a rabbit hole. Thank you for coming on.

[Busy Phillips]

Yeah, thanks, guys. It was so great to talk to you.

[Lauren Everts]

That was fun.

[Michael Bostic]

Thank you.

[Busy Phillips]

You're so sweet.