Chriselle Lim On Personal Transformation, Healthy Breakups, Boundaries, & Embracing Change

Summary

Podcast Summary:

The Skinny Confidential Him And Her Show
Episode: Chriselle Lim On Personal Transformation, Healthy Breakups, Boundaries, & Embracing Change
Hosts: Lauryn Bosstick & Michael Bosstick
Guest: Chriselle Lim
Air Date: November 13, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode welcomes back Chriselle Lim, OG digital fashion tastemaker, entrepreneur, and founder of Fleur fragrance. Chriselle shares her story of profound personal and professional transformation over the past six years. The conversation explores her journey through motherhood, divorce, building (and selling) a business, redefining boundaries (especially around sharing her children online), and embracing change with honesty and resilience. Tangible takeaways and vulnerable moments abound as Chriselle and the hosts reflect on growth, finding peace, and what it means to truly start anew.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Filling the Gap: Life Since Last Appearance

Timestamps: 01:39–05:37

• Chriselle last appeared in July 2019 (episode 200, pre-COVID). Since then:
  • Went through a divorce (officially in 2021).
  • Acquired and relaunched Fleur fragrance brand, later selling it.
  • Gave birth to her second child and got engaged to a new partner.

"If someone told me that this would be my life today … I would be like, you are crazy."
—Chriselle Lim (04:49)

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2. The Impact of Motherhood on Productivity

Timestamps: 02:04–04:35

• Chriselle and Lauryn discuss how becoming a mother transformed their understanding of productivity.
• Chriselle originally told Lauryn, “Once you become a mom, you are able to master productivity at its finest…” (02:30)
• Both reflect on the forced efficiency and focus of parenthood.

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3. Divorce in the Public Eye & Setting Boundaries With Kids Online

Timestamps: 05:37–13:52

• Chriselle explains choosing divorce during COVID, using the time of stillness for introspection and clarity.
• Talks about navigating divorce publicly, evolving her content, and protecting her children’s privacy.

"We were kind of the first generations, influencer wise, to have kids... I just don’t want to show my kids that much anymore."
—Chriselle Lim (07:24)

• Chriselle and Lauryn agree there was no blueprint for early mom influencers around sharing (or not sharing) their kids online.
• Michael and Lauryn discuss how their oldest is almost 11 and having opinions about what gets shared.

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4. Generational Reflection on Tech, Parenting, and Social Media

Timestamps: 13:12–14:50

• Discussion of evolving approaches to kids and tech use; referencing Jonathan Haidt’s “The Anxious Generation.”
• Chriselle reminisces about the dial-up internet era and her roots as an “OG” creator.

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5. Making the Divorce Announcement—Process and Emotions

Timestamps: 15:13–17:01

• Chriselle describes tactfully announcing her separation on social media:
  • Waiting a year, mutual agreement, turning off comments.
  • Consideration for her children’s future privacy.
• She felt liberated, not sad by the time of public announcement:

"They always say, especially women, after they actually make the divorce announcement … they were already divorced years ago in their head."
—Chriselle Lim (17:01)

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6. Tangible Advice on Healthy Breakups & Transformation

Timestamps: 18:31–20:19

• Chriselle urges that the decision to leave must go deeper than a passing feeling. "You have to know, like, deep down inside … this is the thing I need to do for myself." (19:05)
• She offers encouragement to women contemplating major life changes: happiness is possible on the other side.

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7. Finding Peace, Reclaiming Presence

Timestamps: 20:19–21:41

• Chriselle describes her first real peace post-divorce: walking to the park, noticing the wind for the first time in years.
• She and the hosts agree: "The true luxury is to have a calm nervous system." (21:21)

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8. Entrepreneurs, Chaos, and Self-Awareness

Timestamps: 21:41–26:07

• Michael discusses thriving in stress and pressure; Chriselle says self-awareness is key to knowing how you function best.
• Chriselle: "To thrive as an entrepreneur, you have to be a really good problem solver... it’s down to how well and how fast can you solve these problems." (25:14)

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9. Chriselle’s Content Evolution & The “Rich Mom” Persona

Timestamps: 33:04–38:03

• Chriselle’s secret to longevity: embracing evolution, not being attached to platforms or personas.
• Success on TikTok during COVID with her “Rich Mom” character—eventually phased out as it stopped serving her real self and healing.

"I’m not a fragile bitch. I can take shit … let’s move on."
—Chriselle Lim (33:11)

• She describes working through depression and retreating when social media became too much.

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10. Behind the Scenes: Vulnerability, Family Support, and Loneliness

Timestamps: 38:03–41:24

• Chriselle shares about solitary moments, being supported by her parents (who moved in with her), crying late into the night, and finding comfort and healing through family and Korean food.

"Late nights with my mom… we [would] just be at the table crying."
—Chriselle Lim (39:42)

• They discuss the misconception that influencers with millions of followers can’t feel lonely or down.

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11. Universality of Vulnerability

Timestamps: 41:24–43:32

• Michael notes: “At the end of the day … people are just people.”
• Chriselle recounts a recent dinner with high-powered entrepreneurs (including Meghan Markle) where all confessed deep insecurities when speaking.

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12. Dating After Divorce and Building a Blended Family

Timestamps: 45:23–53:30

• Chriselle wasn’t looking to date after her divorce—was enjoying her independence and success.
• Met Sebastian, her now fiancé, by chance at Paris Fashion Week; both were going through divorces.

"If anyone is going to come into my life at this point, it has to be additive... It has to add something I don’t have right now."
—Chriselle Lim (46:16)

• Their relationship developed slowly and thoughtfully, especially when it came to introducing children from both sides.

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13. Rethinking Marriage, Paperwork, and Commitment

Timestamps: 53:30–63:07

• Chriselle reflects on what marriage really means after her first experience: “Marriage is essentially a piece of paper.” (53:30)
• Open, honest communication—with no judgment—defines her relationship now.
• She highlights the importance of discussing hard topics like prenups and practicalities, and separating legal binds from commitment.

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14. Beauty, Surgery, and Confidence in Aging

Timestamps: 63:33–68:47

• Chriselle candidly reveals her decision to dissolve facial fillers after feeling “puffy.”
• Noted the importance of facial massage and long-term thinking when it comes to aesthetics.
• Shares that her approach now is about sustainable, long-term beauty rather than constant, reactive maintenance.

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15. Fleur: Reinventing Fragrance & Business Success

Timestamps: 68:49–74:27

• Chriselle speaks about acquiring, relaunching, and recently selling Fleur:
  • Missing Person, Fleur’s hit scent, was inspired by her story of loss and loneliness; it sold out with a 250,000-person waitlist (71:05).
  • Unique, lighter scents are meant to layer and become the wearer’s own.
  • Process focused on authentic storytelling and empowering customers to share their emotional connections.

"We launched with Missing Person... through my story of loss and pain and feeling lonely and missing myself, missing a person, missing feeling loved..."
—Chriselle Lim (69:46)

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Notable Quotes

• "Once you become a mom, you are able to master productivity at its finest..." —Chriselle Lim (02:30)
• "We didn’t know, there was no blueprint before us to know if we should or shouldn’t share the kids..." —Lauran (09:40)
• "You have to know, like, deep down inside … this is the thing I need to do for myself." —Chriselle Lim (19:05)
• "The true luxury, I believe now, is to have a calm nervous system." —Chriselle Lim (21:21)
• "I’m not a fragile bitch. I can take shit... let’s move on." —Chriselle Lim (33:11)
• "If anyone is going to come into my life at this point, it has to be additive." —Chriselle Lim (46:16)

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Memorable and Lighthearted Moments

• The recurring Tom Cruise admiration/debate (43:32–45:05)
• Chriselle’s fiancé proposing at the airport for its symbolic, unconventional significance (52:21)
• Honest beauty talk about fillers, dissolving, and surgery (63:36–68:47)
• Light joking about parenting chaos, kids and paper cuts (24:29–25:55)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 04:49 — Chriselle outlines the massive life changes since her last appearance
• 07:24 — Sharing about boundaries and privacy as a digital mom
• 15:20 — How she and her ex handled announcing their divorce
• 20:26 — First peaceful moment post-divorce
• 25:14 — The entrepreneurial “thriving in chaos” mindset
• 33:04 — How adaptability and resilience powered her career
• 39:42 — The critical role of her family’s support post-divorce
• 41:24/43:32 — Vulnerability and universality among high-achievers
• 46:16 — On new relationships: “has to be additive”
• 53:30 — The true meaning of marriage and paperwork
• 68:49 — Fleur’s sale and success, and the Missing Person scent story

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Closing

Lauryn, Michael, and Chriselle wrap feeling inspired by her candor, evolution, and lived wisdom. The episode is overflowing with practical lessons, self-awareness, and reminders that true growth rarely happens in comfort zones. At its heart, the conversation is about agency, boundaries, and the power of reinvention at any stage of life.

Where to Find Chriselle:

• Instagram & TikTok: @chrisellelim
• Fragrance: fleur.com (use code SKINNY for 15% off)

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Transcript

[Michael Bostic]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production.

[Lauren Everts]

She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Chriselle Lim]

Fantastic.

[Lauren Everts]

And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie. And now, Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic.

[Chriselle Lim]

Are bringing you along for the ride.

[Lauran]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Lauren Everts]

Welcome to the Skinny Confidential.

[Chriselle Lim]

Him and her.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Chriselle Lim is back. Back on the show. She actually came on years ago and her episode crushed it. We wanted to bring her back because her life has changed. She's a trailblazing entrepreneur, a creative visionary, and one of the OG digital fashion taste makers. On this episode, she gets real about motherhood, her divorce, and building her empire. She relaunched her fragrance brand feature Fleur. On that note, let's catch up with Chriselle.

[Lauren Everts]

This is the Skinny Confidential.

[Chriselle Lim]

Him and her.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Criselle is back in the studio. A lot has changed, transpired, evolved.

[Chriselle Lim]

A lot. A lot. I'm a whole new person at this point. I am no longer the same Chris. I should just change my name at this point.

[Lauran]

No, no, no, no. We love you as Criselle, but what I think is so cool about you is that you've showed your evolution and your journey online since you were on the show and before you were on the show. But we've gotten to see this all and watch you and sort of like cheerlead for you. So I wanted you to come back on the show because I wanted to fill the gap of when you were on here last time to now.

[Michael Bostic]

By the way, the date is July of 2019, and it was episode 200. And this will be like 900 something. So it's been like 700 episodes ago.

[Chriselle Lim]

Wow.

[Michael Bostic]

So you gotta dig into the archive.

[Chriselle Lim]

This is pre Covid.

[Lauran]

Yeah, this is pre Covid.

[Michael Bostic]

July 2019.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Chriselle Lim]

And that was when. When you guys just had your baby?

[Michael Bostic]

No, we had the baby in 2020 of January. So she pregnant. She was pregnant then.

[Chriselle Lim]

Oh, my gosh. Those pre. We have a lot to catch up on.

[Lauran]

We have a lot to catch up on. And I will. I remember you gave me one of the best tips. You told me on the show. You said, lauren, you never will say that you're busy again after you have children because you have to be so, so productive. I'm flubbing what you said, but you have to be so productive in the moments and the spaces that you get that it's almost like you're more efficient.

[Chriselle Lim]

And do you find that true now?

[Lauran]

I think about you saying that all the time.

[Chriselle Lim]

Oh, thank you. That. That just made me so happy. Because it's true. Like Once you become a mom, you are able to master productivity at its finest and do so much with time. And you're like, wait, I was not even busy before.

[Lauran]

It's wild. I'll never complain about that again, ever.

[Michael Bostic]

Like, you can't understand it until you go through. And now we have three kids under six.

[Chriselle Lim]

Oh my God, I missed the third one.

[Lauran]

I know that.

[Michael Bostic]

Just like four more.

[Lauran]

Does everyone say that about the third one?

[Chriselle Lim]

I'm sorry, the third one. But I. I thought you guys were two.

[Michael Bostic]

No, now it's three.

[Lauran]

You can't keep track after.

[Michael Bostic]

I got to remember. No, I'm just kidding. But. But no, but what's weird is now we've been so in it and you've gone through it, you just don't realize, like, how crazy it really is.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

That was a little late today because I was. They're three in a hotel right now with two small dogs losing their. Because I'm coming. I had to come over here. Right, but.

[Chriselle Lim]

So they travel with you guys all the time?

[Michael Bostic]

We go for a while. Big. Because if it's a few days, believe them. But if it's for a while, they're.

[Chriselle Lim]

So young and I guess at this age you can do that because they're not in like school school yet, are they?

[Michael Bostic]

Oh, the school's going to kick us out. For sure.

[Lauran]

The school's going to kick us out. We have a really incredible nanny that's like. She's like a teacher.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

She is a teacher.

[Lauran]

And so that helps make things a little more seamless.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, we work. We hired a woman. She's amazing. That was a teacher at a one of our kids schools.

[Chriselle Lim]

I love that. It's. So you guys are really busy when you're traveling because you have the whole family.

[Lauran]

It's. It's a caravan.

[Chriselle Lim]

Because sometimes when I'm traveling, as much as I love the kids, I'm like, this is my time off. It's great.

[Lauran]

I know. I like when you say that. I've seen you say that before. Like you're. I've seen you. I think I saw your subst where you were just like, I just need some space sometimes.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah. Yeah. And that is traveling. And as much as it's work, it's also me time as well. Because that's the time that I get to be on a plane and no one's asking for anything. And I get so much done. I get to read, I get to do the things that I enjoy. So I feel very well balanced. Even though I did not believe in Balance before. I kind of do now.

[Lauran]

So let's go back to then to now. Let's fill the gap for the audience. So after you did this show, what was the sort of life moment that came after that? What was the first one? Because you've gone through a few.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah, I mean, if someone told me that this would be my life today after, like, what, five, six years ago, I would been like, you are crazy. I can't even imagine that. But one, I. I got a divorce. I think that was, like, the biggest thing that happened during COVID but officially on paper in 2021. And I started a new company. I actually acquired a company and then recently sold it. So that's Fleur, my fragrance brand. Thank you. And I think I might have been pregnant with my second with you guys when I saw you guys last, but I have two kids now, and I'm engaged. Not with the same person, but with a different person.

[Lauran]

When you decided to get a divorce, is this after the podcast? How long after the podcast is this?

[Chriselle Lim]

Well, as you guys know, and I'm sure, you know, at our age group, you know, a number of people that have gotten divorced, it's usually not over one thing. It's not over, like, one moment in time. It was something that I was struggling with for a while, but I think it was during COVID when. And I think this was a realization for a lot of people, both men and women, that this is not the life I want to live. It's not how I want to live for the rest of my life. And so I think it really took Covid to have me kind of go inside and just sit with myself and realize that I needed to make this decision. So it was during COVID when you're.

[Lauran]

So busy and you have so much going on, and it's go, go, go, go, go, and then the world stops and it's Covid. Do you think that that propelled the divorce to happen quicker because you were able to sort of, like, sit still? Because I know with me, I'm like, go, go, go, go, go. And sometimes if I don't sit, I can't think.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah. No. And that's so many of us, especially just entrepreneurs, women that are on the go, we don't have that moment to really reflect and see how we feel about something. And even if you know how it feels, you just kind of, like, bury it under the rug because you're like, I just don't have time to deal with this right now. Because if I deal with this, then it's it's gonna unlock like 10 other things that I have to deal with. So it's just not worth it. And so that was my life for really the last, I mean before this happened, but before my divorce, like 10 years, like I was just, everything was just like, let's put this under the rug and like figure it out later, right? But during COVID we had that time, we all had that silent moment to be like wait, no, like I have to deal with my shit now.

[Lauran]

What kind of pressure is it like to be in, in the public eye and decide to get a divorce? How do you guys find it was.

[Michael Bostic]

Navigating that you guys worked together a little bit too, right?

[Chriselle Lim]

Or not really, not to like your guys extent, but he would support me, be supportive, not support me, but supportive. And he would appear on some of my videos. And by the way, we're friends now, so it's, it was a work in progress. But you know, four years later we're great friends and we co parent really well together. And kind of going back to your question, it, it was difficult because as you guys know, you have three kids when you first showed the kids and we were kind of the first generations like influencer wise to have kids. And so I didn't know what would happen like that these people that are following me would be so attached to my kids as well and their story and their life. And so we were just casually posting about the kids a lot. You know, they're doing this, they're doing that. And then when I went through the divorce, I was like, you know what? I just don't want to show my kids that much anymore. And I just feel like there's some things that I wanted to keep for myself. And that was hard because the followers didn't really. I mean some of them understood, but a lot of them were like, well, you kind of led us on up to this point in your life and we supported you. And all of a sudden you're not gonna show us your kid's face. Like that's kind of weird. It's almost like watching following a movie and all of a sudden it stops and there's no ending. They don't get to really see that end. So. So I'm much better about it now. It's not like I don't show my kids at all, but I'm a lot more careful and you know, if it's something that. And they're older now, so it's something that they have to want to do as well.

[Lauran]

I feel the same way. That you feel about kids on the Internet. I like, you're not going to see my kids first steps. You're not going to see them. Some people like show the potty training. Like, you're not going to see like the, the milestone moments. Like you'll see like I say, like in a play, they're the, they're the choir, they're the chorus.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Lauran]

Like you're going to. It's like a background character that you'll see sometimes. But I, they don't get access to the intimacy of every little moment throughout the day. And what I would say to you is like, like you said we didn't know.

[Chriselle Lim]

No, we, we don't.

[Lauran]

We. There was no like blueprint before us to know if we should or shouldn't share the kids. So it is something that you have to like kind of figure out for yourself. I don't know if the way I'm doing it is the right way.

[Michael Bostic]

I also think as. And how old's your oldest now?

[Chriselle Lim]

She's 10, almost 11. Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

I think as they get older too, like she's gonna have a perspective pretty soon.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

As she goes into older grades in school about like what she wants to share and not share, you know?

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah. I mean I have two step kids now. They're 13 and 16 and it's a whole different ball and they're so lovely and they're amazing. I feel very lucky to. I call them bonus kids, but now I have to ask them and sometimes they're like, can you not post? I'm like, yeah, cool. Like I won't post it, but they definitely have an opinion. I want to respect that and I love that actually. But yeah, in the beginning I, with my first child with Chloe, I showed everything. And now in hindsight, I'm looking back, I'm like, man, like I. And not that I regret anything because I learned along the way and we're all learning along the way, but I really had no boundaries back then. And now in hindsight I'm like, okay, like we're gonna do it right this time.

[Lauran]

So I think that's, that's self aware and I think it's cool of you to talk about and I think if there's someone listening who's just starting out as an influencer, it makes you really have intention behind how you decide to share the children. It's not easy.

[Michael Bostic]

This business is tough because we know there's certain things you can do and certain kind of things you can show from an intimate perspective. Like even with relationships or with kids that you know will unlock greater opportunities. And so I think that's the draw for a lot of people, especially when you're new to the space.

[Chriselle Lim]

But you mean, like, partnerships and, like.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, I also just think, like, I know if Lauren and I were skipping down the beach and hugging and kissing all the time, you could unlock that, like, cheesy part of the Internet that's like, oh, I love that. Kill me. You know what I mean? Like, cannot do that. But I know from a business perspective, it would be good.

[Chriselle Lim]

Right.

[Michael Bostic]

And you see people doing that, like, love bombing each other, by the way. That's a little bit of a red flag with couples, but.

[Chriselle Lim]

And I.

[Michael Bostic]

And I.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yes.

[Michael Bostic]

And I think they do it with the kids, too, where like, there's certain things you can do with your children in this business that will unlock opportunities. I think that's the draw. But then when you play it through, it's maybe not the best.

[Lauran]

I also think. And I don't know if you've experienced this, I want to have thoughtfulness around how much I'm pulling out my phone, filming and videoing them, even if it's not on social media.

[Chriselle Lim]

I actually heard you talk about this. I forgot where. I think it was one of your podcasts. And I really like how you phrased that. It's like, I don't want to be known as a mom. That's always, like, having to capture every single moment. And truth be told, I was that moment. And I'm like, I don't want to live, like. Cause my girls are 10 and one is seven now, really. I only have maybe three more years with my oldest one before she's always out with her friends. And my youngest one, you know, I have maybe a good six, seven years. And I don't want the latter half of, like, they're going into teen years, being the mom, being, like, taking photos of them, of everything. So that really resonated with me when you said that.

[Lauran]

Thank you.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Thank you.

[Lauran]

I listen, I'm not perfect. I'm trying, but I just think finding the moments where you can be really present and putting. I even, like, don't even like my phone on the table down. Like, I want the phone to be away. Like, I'm talking, like, hidden. Like, it's not on the table. It's not. I don't want it to feel like a fixture.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Lauran]

And this has been. You struggle because you. We both work on our phone, and it's like someone always needs something.

[Michael Bostic]

We just had Jonathan Haidt on the Podcast. You know him, he wrote the book the Anxious Generation.

[Chriselle Lim]

Oh yes, I just read that.

[Michael Bostic]

It's good book and he was a great guest. But we're almost the second generation. Like there's the generation of parents that had kids before us that I guess are now Gen Z and they had no boundaries or understanding and they just gave them everything. Yeah. And because they didn't know and I think about like for us, we didn't really know what to share or not share with our kids. Like the first generation just gave their kids phones. They weren't really sharing anything, but the kids had access to all the phones. Our generation kind of put our kids without their consent more on because we didn't know. And now I think people are starting to realize like what the tools can do and what some of the vulnerabilities and risks are. Yeah, Like I don't.

[Lauren Everts]

People forget.

[Michael Bostic]

Like we all grew up with like dial up Internet. Yeah, right. Like we don't, we didn't know.

[Chriselle Lim]

That's where my career started. I was that girl. Like once you got dial up Internet, I closed my door and I was on like these weird like group chats with like weird people. Don't know but I love.

[Lauran]

Yeah. I think you were one of the first people I followed. I feel like you're like, oh, oh, oh gee.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah, like pretty old.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

No, not old, original.

[Chriselle Lim]

You know, you think I like.

[Lauran]

And by the way, skin is looking amazing. You look like you're 21, but you were like, you started before a lot of people.

[Michael Bostic]

You come from the generation where there was that period of time on the Internet that you would name 10 or 20 creators and it was like 10 or 20 creators.

[Chriselle Lim]

Right.

[Michael Bostic]

Like in the report now even doing this, I get introduced to people all the time that are massive and I have no clue who they are.

[Chriselle Lim]

There's so, so many.

[Michael Bostic]

You can't. But in back then there was like a, you know who the girls were. Right. It was like a lot of the people that we all came up with but you could like name them. Now you're like, there's. You just, you can't keep track.

[Lauran]

Well, what I love about you, and we're going to get into this is that through that you've managed to stand out and have a point of view that's really a point of view of the generation. And I think that's really cool. You've managed to evolve. But before we get to that, I want to know how you and your ex husband thought about announcing or however you did it. Your divorce to the Internet.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

What?

[Michael Bostic]

Were you making an announcement?

[Lauran]

No. How they. I'm sure there was some kind of announcement.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Lauran]

How do you guys even think about that?

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah. So it took a while and you know, as I was going through this process, I didn't tell anyone. I think people noticed that there was a shift, a vibe shift, because I wasn't posting my usual content. And I think it was probably a year into it and it hasn't, it wasn't settled yet. And for anyone that's looking to get a divorce or going into a divorce, it's a long haul game. It's not like immediate. So I think it was year into the process, we're like, okay, people are sensing some things off. I'm not wearing my ring. You're not in my content. There's just like so much like question marks. And I asked like, would you be okay us making announcement? And so he agreed. And it was. I don't think you could do a collab post back then. I wish we had a collab post moment. That would have been effective. But it was just a post on both of our sides. So we posted the same thing. And it was just an announcement that we were separating. And we both decided to turn off the comments because I know there were going to be more people praising and supporting just because they want to be supported. But I also knew that there were going to be some negative comments and question marks around the divorce. And. And I think I always think about the kids now, right. I think about in the next 10 years, they're going to get access to anything and everything. Right. So how do we do this in a way where they're protected? And also that it's just like, this is, this has been done, let's move on type of thing.

[Lauran]

And so when you put it out there, was it like liberating for you? Did you feel liberated or did you feel upset? Like, what was your emotion when you put that out?

[Chriselle Lim]

Well, they always say, especially women after they actually make the divorce announcement or the actual moment to get divorced, they were already divorced years ago in their head. They were just trying to make it work and trying to like, get, you know, hopefully like, something can happen, someone will change and it can work magically. Right? So I think for me, there was no sadness at this point because I was sad for a very long time. So it was very liberating at that moment. I was like, okay, I could finally tell my story and I could finally be me. And there's something about when you're finally in Your truest self in the truest form, you're able to unlock your best potential. And that is when Fleur came about, and that is when Fleur showed up literally at my doorsteps. I wasn't looking for Fleur, but there was an opportunity for me to come onto the brand because it was an existing brand that wasn't doing that well and for me to pretty much give it new life. And I said, look, both Fleur and I are going into our next chapter, right? We're going into the next version of ourselves. What if I'm able to tell these emotional stories of the things that I've been bottling up for so long inside of me into these bottles of Fleur? And, yeah, I kind of went on a tangent, but I think it really was a moment of freedom for me. And once I felt that, so many things started working my way the way I wanted it, and things that I would have never even dreamt of happening.

[Lauran]

So what advice do you have for someone who's in a marriage that. That feels like they're not happy?

[Chriselle Lim]

I think it has to be more than a feeling. I think it can't be just like, oh, I feel unhappy. Right? We all feel unhappy. And you can't let your emotions guide your everyday because emotions change every single day. But it's something that you deeply have to know. And I have so many girls now, especially my followers, that either come up to me in person when they see me or they're dming me about like, oh, I'm so unhappy. I'm da, da da. And my question is, are you ready to walk away? Like, are you ready to do something about it? And they're like, well, I don't know then. And I'm like, that's the answer right there. If you don't know, you're not ready yet. You have to know, like, deep down inside, you have to know this is the thing I need to do for myself. And when you have that burning desire, you find a way to do it.

[Lauran]

I bet that was nice for you. When you finally made that decision. It sounds like it was, like, relief.

[Chriselle Lim]

It was relief.

[Lauran]

Yeah, it sounds like it.

[Chriselle Lim]

It was incredible. And I think, again, because I know there's so many, especially women of our age that are going through this. At least in my kind of orbit, there's a lot of women that are going through it. And I always tell them, like, I know it's hard right now, but I promise you, you have not even felt the amount of happiness that you have ever experienced in your life yet. And you have to get to the other side to experience that. And so, I don't know. One of the best compliments anyone could give me is, like, your story inspired me to become the best or the happiest version of myself. And, you know, whether it's walking away from a job that didn't serve them or a marriage or whatever that is.

[Lauran]

So after you went through everything with your divorce, what was the first moment that you remember feeling peace?

[Chriselle Lim]

This is funny because I remember this moment. I was walking outside, and I was just walking the girls to the park, and I felt wind on my hair. I know that sounds so corny and weird.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

No.

[Chriselle Lim]

But I noticed the wind blowing my hair, and I was like, I felt the wind. That means I noticed these feelings and these moments that have always happened that I've never noticed in my life. And I was like, I'm living present right now. I'm in my present. I'm in. I'm exactly where I need to be. And so there was no, like, real extraordinary moment, but it was like that one quiet moment where I was like, okay, like, this feels really nice.

[Lauran]

Well, I think when you're in fight or flight, your nervous system, like, shuts down, so you don't get to feel those present moments.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah, it's true. And I think the true luxury, I believe now is to have a calm nervous system. Right? It's. I don't know about you guys, but that's how I feel.

[Lauran]

So true. That is true luxury.

[Michael Bostic]

There's a whole episode that went out literally today, all about calm, nervous. We did a whole.

[Chriselle Lim]

Oh, really? Okay.

[Lauran]

It is a luxury. You're right, it is.

[Chriselle Lim]

Because I think as we get older, we just build on top of all of our past traumas, all of our. Our triggers, and it just gets worse and worse and worse and worse until you're able to, like, really get a. In control of it. And then once you're there and you're, like, calm, and you're able to just not have your past dictate how you are gonna currently feel or for your future. You're like, this is the luxury. This is what life is meant to be.

[Lauran]

So, yeah, the luxury is the calm nervous system. You hear that, Michael?

[Michael Bostic]

I do.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

That is quiet luxury, bitch.

[Chriselle Lim]

Quiet luxury.

[Michael Bostic]

My nervous system can malfunction at times.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah, being an entrepreneur, that's really hard. Right?

[Michael Bostic]

Well, it's just I. You know, we were interviewing a guy recently, and Lawrence was trying to give me shit, and she was like, you know, Michael's always Like stressed and saber tooth tiger and the entrepreneur.

[Lauran]

Hold on. You have to explain saber tooth tiger. I say that Michael is constantly looking for the saber tooth tiger.

[Michael Bostic]

The thing in the bushes that's about to jump out of your head.

[Lauran]

So, like, say, like, we're all sitting here. Like, he's looking like, like, is that camera beeping? Like, he can't. He's looking for the saber tooth.

[Michael Bostic]

Here's the thing. Then I realized this, and maybe you might or you might not relate to this. And we were talking about this in the car, right on the way home from the airport. Ariel's there, and the guy that we were talking to is like, I fucking love the stress. And when he said it, I was like, you know what? I do too. And I realized that I like it more than not having it, and I never want to get rid of it, okay?

[Lauren Everts]

Because when I'm calm, I don't.

[Michael Bostic]

I don't know what it is. I. I like the pressure and I like the idea of like.

[Chriselle Lim]

But that's. That is awareness, right? And that is you just saying that. I know this about myself, and so I like this stress. And it's equally. For someone who's like, I don't like the stress. I. I want to have a calm nervous system. I think on both sides. It doesn't matter on which side you are on, but it's just the awareness.

[Michael Bostic]

Like when, like when the business is going well and this is funny. Like, funny enough. When the business is going well and everything's good and you can like, take that vacation, go sit on the beach. I can't stand that moment.

[Lauran]

I will literally be on the beach with like my skinny margarita, like, finally ready to relax.

[Michael Bostic]

I mean, I don't like it in the moment, but when someone's like, listen, we got a real problem and shit just blew up.

[Lauran]

She, like, literally loves it.

[Chriselle Lim]

Let's go.

[Michael Bostic]

I'm like, here we go.

[Lauran]

But Chriselle's right. If you have a self awareness, for me, that's not.

[Lauren Everts]

But I'll tell you.

[Michael Bostic]

But I'll tell you this, though, but if, if my wife is sick or my kids get hurt, I to. I go to shambles. I like, I can't handle it. Like, like, my daughter got hurt the other day.

[Lauran]

That's what you're saying.

[Michael Bostic]

Like, that kind of nervous system, but.

[Lauren Everts]

That kind of stress and that kind of thing.

[Michael Bostic]

Like, I'm not good. I like. And she's like, you got to learn how to handle that.

[Lauran]

Because I think my daughter gets a paper cut. I swear to God, this is it.

[Lauren Everts]

What are we, what are we gonna do?

[Lauran]

What are we gonna do?

[Chriselle Lim]

What are we.

[Lauran]

I'm like, michael, it's a paper. What if it gets set?

[Chriselle Lim]

What if it gets.

[Lauren Everts]

But you.

[Lauran]

I'm like, I literally will be like, stop, get away from me. You're projecting your energy onto me. I have to deal with my daughter who is sick, not you. He wants me to deal and take emotional residency.

[Michael Bostic]

But tell me if you relate to this. I think most entrepreneurs I meet, it's like, yeah, you like the, you, you, you want to strive for success. But I think the reason you're an entrepreneur is because you kind of thrive in that chaos and pressure, Right?

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

And thrive in the, in the unknown of figuring the thing out.

[Chriselle Lim]

Right.

[Michael Bostic]

It's like if my worst idea is like, if somebody said, hey, you're going to have absolute certainty and predictability and you're going to earn exactly this and everything will be fine and you can do that, that stresses me out. I like to be like, what the hell's going to happen?

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah, thrive in chaos. Yeah. I mean, I think to be an entrepreneur you have to have that skill and ability. And I think women naturally have that. We don't like to be in it 24 7. But yeah, to thrive as an entrepreneur, you have to be a really good problem solver. Because being an entrepreneur is just solving multiple problems all day, right on top of being creative, on top of inspiring other people and your team and all of that. But ultimately it's down to how well and how fast can you solve these problems? So I, I understand like you, that's a part of who you are and that's why you're so successful and you're great at what you do.

[Lauran]

Except with paper cuts.

[Chriselle Lim]

Except for paper cuts.

[Michael Bostic]

I think like, you know, the more I, in, in the early days, you like kind of try to fight it because people will be like, why do you want to live like that? And then I, as I realized, I'm like, no, I like this, I like that, I like that.

[Lauran]

And that's your self awareness.

[Michael Bostic]

I have a question for you. You've had so much success in your career and you were very early and I think a lot of women and men look to you and people like you as the blueprint. Like a lot of people, when we all started, like the term was blogger, right? Creator didn't. It was like, you know, didn't even exist. Now that it was influencer. Now it's a creator. Now I don't know what they're Calling.

[Chriselle Lim]

It these days I can't keep.

[Michael Bostic]

But really it's, I just look at it as like you're an entrepreneur.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

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[Lauran]

I eat organs like three times a week.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

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[Michael Bostic]

Looking back after all these years, what are the like kind of things that you feel you just nailed from the beginning and what are the things that you look back like, oh, if I was starting over as a new entrepreneur, creator, whatever, you would have done differently.

[Chriselle Lim]

I think the thing that I nailed and I continue to nail that gets me excited still. Every day is just evolving with whatever is coming up. I think a lot of creators, what I've noticed, they get so stuck on that one platform or they get so stuck on one way of doing things. I'm not a fragile bitch. I can take shit. And I could be like, oh, that thing that we worked on for three years doesn't work anymore. Okay, that's fine. Let's move on. I don't hold things so heavily on my shoulders. It's. As long as I know that I tried my best with whatever project I'm working on or whatever platform, I'm happy to let go and move on to the next. And so I think that has always been my superpower of, like, not being so fragile, of, you know, doing things so perfectly and carefully and making sure that it hits every single time. And that's how TikTok took off for me during COVID was, of course, everyone's on TikTok now, but it was pre Covid. I think it was like 20, early 2020 when I got on the app and I was like, this looks fun. Let's give it a try. And I was doing these silly kind of things on TikTok, and it just worked. And it was during COVID I became Rich mom during COVID which was kind of wild because this was a whole new generation who had no idea who I was, which I love because I felt like I could be a totally different Persona. So I became Rich mom on TikTok during COVID Rich mom gave TikTok my TikTok kids advice on how to be clean cleanly, how to make money, how to dress appropriately. It was like giving life lessons to my kids. And that's how I built my TikTok. She unfortunately does not exist anymore. I tried to bring her back and it just didn't work for the current time. But it was fun. And I was like, this is an opportunity right now. People are loving it. They're wanting entertainment. I'm going full force rich mom. So I think I was uploading, I don't know, anywhere from five to ten videos a day for a year as Rich Mom. It was insanity. But we were all locked up right in our home. We weren't. Yeah.

[Lauran]

How does that work?

[Chriselle Lim]

I don't know. I was having fun, girl. Like, it was fun to me. And people were having Fun with me. And I saw clearly that there was a momentum here, so I just went full force with it.

[Lauran]

What was the first one that went viral?

[Chriselle Lim]

Oh, okay. It was when I was in Paris. It was right before. It was actually the last Paris Fashion Week before. Oh, okay. Taking it back. Do you guys remember that movie Parasite?

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah.

[Lauran]

Yeah, with the Korean.

[Chriselle Lim]

That's a good movie. Yeah. So it was a Korean rich mom. Everyone thought I was her. So it launched that week. I happened to be on TikTok. They're like, oh, my God, it's Rich Mom. And I was like, who's Rich Mom? And I watched the movie, and then so I kind of started impersonating her a little bit, and it was really fun. And I was in Paris for Paris Fashion Week, so I made a video where I was like, hi, kids, it's me. You're Rich Mom. Something about, like, if you're gonna buy designer bags, like, buy it in Europe and. Or at the airport, because you could save money on, you know, like, the taxes.

[Lauran]

You better get some tips from Rich Mom.

[Chriselle Lim]

Michael Bostick, something like that. I don't remember exactly what I was talking about, but it was in Paris. It was Rich mom in Paris, and that thing just blew up, and I just had fun with it and.

[Lauran]

So when did you decide to stop and why did you decide to try and then why did you decide to stop again?

[Chriselle Lim]

Well, Rich mom also was during a very hard time for me. It was when I was going through my divorce, so I kind of viewed it as my distraction. And I know this is not the healthiest way to cope, but when I go through something, I kind of get addicted to something. Thankfully, it's not like substance or alcohol or anything like that, but it's usually something. And for me, it was TikTok. And I just went all out with it, and it was like, kind of a way for me to escape while I was going through that really hard time. And so I stopped when the. I think the divorce and the emotional piece of it was getting a little too much for me to handle, and I just couldn't because it was acting. Essentially, I was acting like this fabulous rich mom, and I just couldn't even get out of bed. I was at a point where I was like, man, like, I don't know what I'm gonna do with my life. And so that's when I decided to take a break from Rich Mom. And, yeah, she never really came back after then.

[Lauran]

How do you manage to get all this content up day to day when you Feel like you can't get out of bed.

[Chriselle Lim]

It's, it's. Again, it's not a healthy coping mechanism, but I think it distracts me. It distracts me from what I actually had to deal with. And so when I actually had to deal with it, that's when I kind of stopped.

[Lauran]

What are some behind the scenes that the audience wasn't seeing? You mentioned not getting out of bed, but what are some other things that you couldn't really maybe post or they, they wouldn't have understood at the time or you wanted to keep to yourself?

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of moments of me, like on the floor crying of, like, why me? Like, why, why am I going through this? What did I do to deserve this kind of heartbreak in life? And, and like my mom picking me up off the floor. She. My parents moved down. I grew up in the Bay Area in a small town called Danville up north, and they actually moved down temporarily to help me. Just while I was going through that period, it was hard for me to obviously even tend to my kids and be that super mom for them. So they were really there to help me and my kids during that time. But they eventually moved down because they, one, I think love being with their grandkids, but also two, I'm like their oldest daughter. And it's like heartbreaking to see their oldest daughter in such shambles. And so they ended up selling their house and moving, moving in with me. So I was living with my parents for I think almost two and a half years as a grown ass woman. But I also loved it because when could I ever say that I live with my parents again? After graduating college, after having my own life and my own career. And so those are the moments that you probably didn't see online, but it was like late nights with my mom, like, we would just be just at the table crying and being like, I don't know where life is taking us now, but let's just hope that you're happy again. And she'd be like, feeding me Korean food. She'll be home making like all of her soup. And yeah, it just. She brought me back to life.

[Lauran]

It's sometimes weird, I think as a creator, when you have millions and millions of followers and you're sitting here saying that you just felt like you felt lonely and you felt sad. I think that that's hard for some people to understand, do you know what I mean? Because you have so many people who adore you and love you, but at the same time you just felt Down.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah, I mean, I think people often, and I'm sure you guys, you know, get this a lot too, given that you have such a big platform. But I think people, at the end, they forget that sometimes, whether it's an influencer, celebrity, public figure, we're all human. We all have emotions. We all have our own insecurities and anxieties. We don't display them all the time, or most of the time, we don't display them at all. But I think they kind of put us to that expectation that life is perfect because maybe, maybe we put out what our content looks like. It's perfect. So what I change in my content now is that I just talk and I show things that are really happening in my life. Not obviously anything that's too private, but just, like, the thoughts that are going in my head because if I'm feeling it, someone else is feeling it out there. And I think, not that I'm trying to be relatable, but I think women are more relatable to each other than not. No matter where we're at in the world or we have a lot of the same thoughts and feelings. So I try to show that a little bit more.

[Michael Bostic]

Now, doing this show for as long as we've done it, you meet so many different people, right. And of different platform and different size and different success. And the one, like, common through thread.

[Lauren Everts]

Is like, at the end of the.

[Michael Bostic]

Day, maybe we're a little jaded by this now. It's like, people are just people, right? Like, and I think sometimes when you're watching or following people online or that have, like, some prominence in terms of, like, the platform or whatever.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

You forget sometimes that, like, it's. It's just kind of like a person and that's just happens to be their profession and happen to have a little bit more attention from a visibility standpoint. But they have the same insecurities, the same vulnerabilities, same family issues, same kind of like, they behave the same in person. Some of we. And I won't say names that we've. Some of the people you would think would be the most confident and most secure that have come, like, are sometimes the most insecure because, you know, they're also having to live up to that kind of pressure of, like, holding that kind of platform and behaving in that kind of way. Right. So it's just interesting. You're just doing it for, like, close to a decade now. You just realize, like, that's people are just people.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah, I. I believe that. And I was at a dinner yesterday. Do you guys know Emma? Emma agreed.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah. So she hosted a dinner, and it was. I think it was pretty small, but it was about, like, 30 entrepreneurs and just people within their field that are, like, just really crushing it. And, you know, you. Everyone knows these people. They're like, Meghan Markle was there. You know, there's so many incredible people that are successful within their own right. And everyone got up to share the stories, and the common thread was, I'm so nervous to be speaking in front of all of you guys. And I'm so. I'm so insecure. Like, I. I, like, I wish I could have more confidence like you, but we're saying that to each other. And so I think when we realize that we're just all human, like, we all are just figuring it out and we're all just learning about ourselves, you're able to have a deeper, I think, empathy for just human in general and people in general and just have a better understanding of. Yeah. Like, no one's perfect except for Tom Cruise.

[Michael Bostic]

Tom Cruise is perfect.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah. You think so?

[Michael Bostic]

Unicorn couldn't be better. I have this debate with people all the time.

[Lauran]

You would leave me for Tom Cruise.

[Chriselle Lim]

You're like a mini Tom Cruise.

[Lauran]

I've talked now he's gonna go home.

[Michael Bostic]

I'll take it. I've talked to everyone that I can talk to that's had any kind of connectivity to Tom Cruise. People that have worked with them in big movies, people that. Are you thinking. People that. When you think. Actually, I could share this because he posted it. I was on a boat with Jamie Foxx.

[Lauren Everts]

Weird story.

[Michael Bostic]

I'm not gonna get into it. And I told him, I said, hey, you worked with Tom Cruise in Collateral. And I go, is. And you've worked with a lot of people. I go, is there anyone bigger or is he the white whale? He's like, he's the top. There's no higher peak, no deeper valley. It's Tom Cruise.

[Chriselle Lim]

And so that confirmed it. Confirmed it. Confirmed your.

[Michael Bostic]

I think that's the only one that's a superhuman.

[Lauran]

I think that you see yourself in Tom Cruise and you think you're.

[Michael Bostic]

Name a better body of work, a wider, longer career.

[Chriselle Lim]

Brad Pitt. No. Okay.

[Michael Bostic]

If Brad Pitt. If he showed up. If Tom.

[Lauren Everts]

If you saw Brad Pitt, like, that's.

[Michael Bostic]

Brad Pitt, that's cool. But you don't see Tom Cruise out in the wild.

[Lauran]

I hate to move on from Tom Cruise.

[Michael Bostic]

No, no, think about it. Think about it.

[Lauran]

I'm going to.

[Lauren Everts]

You saw, like, if you see one.

[Michael Bostic]

Of these guys, you're like, okay, like, that's cool. Sighting. But you don't see him out in the wild, and he can go international anywhere, and it would be insane.

[Chriselle Lim]

I think you need a career change to become Tom Cruise's, like, publicist.

[Lauren Everts]

If I get Tom Cruise on this.

[Michael Bostic]

Show, the next day, I'm shutting the whole company down.

[Chriselle Lim]

Please, please.

[Michael Bostic]

I'll say I'll shut every show down on Dear Media. I'll shut the company down. The show will be over. I'll say, we've reached the top.

[Chriselle Lim]

Done. You're done.

[Lauran]

That's Mission Impossible.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay, but eight. Eight Mission Impossibles later over, like, what, three decades? Guys, that guy. I won't take up all the airtime.

[Lauran]

What?

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

What?

[Lauran]

When you're single and you're feeling ready to mingle, does it take to date Criselle? Like, where do you even start with what you want in a guy?

[Chriselle Lim]

Well, I wasn't even looking to date. Like, I. I was like, I could not date for the rest of my life. That was in my head.

[Lauran]

I was like, I. I get that it's tight.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

It's like, you're tired.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah, it's fine. Like, I don't want to date. And so I was in that mindset. Like, truly, I was not trying to meet a guy. I was absolutely not trying to download the apps because I was so happy in my own energy, with my own girlfriend. I was truly just living for me for the first time. I just wanted to have fun. Like, that's all I wanted at the time. And because I started my career at a young age, I had kids at a young age. I never got to enjoy the successes. The outcome of my success, being able to have a little bit of money, go fly wherever I wanted, hang out with my friends. I never got to experience that. So for the first time ever, I felt like people were like, how does it feel? And I'm like, it feels like being in college, but having money. It was so fun. And granted, it only lasted a year because then I met Sebastian, who's my fiance now. But I was not looking to date. And I think what I realized was if anyone was going to come into my life and I still save truth to this, I have everything that I need. I have kids, I have my career, I have money. I have my family, I have my girlfriend. If anyone is gonna come into my life at this point, it has to be additive. Like, he has to add something that I don't have right now. And so when I understood that I was like, I don't know if that exists.

[Lauran]

And so gotta be an asset.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah, you gotta be an asset. Yeah.

[Lauran]

You can't be at that point.

[Michael Bostic]

You're not bringing some guy and stringing him along.

[Lauran]

If you and I divorce tomorrow, you better be. You gotta to be huge ass.

[Michael Bostic]

I've set the bar so high for you.

[Lauran]

I mean, huge asset.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Huge.

[Michael Bostic]

I've set the bar so high for you that it's.

[Lauren Everts]

No, I just.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

I'm good.

[Lauran]

I get what you're saying. You're good in your own energy.

[Michael Bostic]

No. If I take it or leave it.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Lauran]

So. So what? How does your fiance at the time approach you to date you? Because you do have it all. You and I. That could intimidate some guys.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah. And I think there's. Okay, so I'm in fashion. You're in beauty fashion. Kind of all of it.

[Lauran]

There's not many Tom Cruise fan club type of dance. I think I feel like you're. I think you're beauty fashion. Yeah, I think I'm beauty wellness. More.

[Chriselle Lim]

Okay. Beauty wellness, beauty fashion. It's very rare to meet a straight guy in this industry, right? And all I do is work. It's not like I'm going out to the club. It's not like I'm going out to like meet people. I don't really have a social life outside of like my mom and like my two best friends that are married and have kids. So I'm not out there like in places where I'm actually meeting people. And so when I actually first met Sebastian, it was in Paris for Fashion Week. It was the very first Fashion Week after like the world shut down. It was after I made my announcement for my divorce. I was feeling good. I was like, man, like I'm. I'm out here, I'm living my life like it's the first time in Paris since the shutdown. And I'm seeing my friends. I see my girlfriend, Jeannie Lee, who. Do you guys remember Sateen Boutique in Los Angeles? It was like way it was on Melrose.

[Michael Bostic]

What was it? Was it a.

[Chriselle Lim]

It was a. It was like a designer boutique. It was like the it boutique way back in the day. Anyway, she ended up going to work for Selfridges and her boss, which is Sebastian, my fiance, was with her at the Isabel Marant Fashion show. Because, you know, essentially they have to buy collections, right? But in my head I'm like, okay, like he's a cute guy, but he's probably gay because he's a good looking guy in Fashion Jeffree star was here.

[Michael Bostic]

Yesterday and he said only 5% of guys are not gay in the whole world.

[Chriselle Lim]

In the whole world.

[Michael Bostic]

In the whole world.

[Chriselle Lim]

Wow.

[Lauren Everts]

So I did question his statistics.

[Michael Bostic]

I said, where are you pulling that from? And he just said, basically the data that he's pulling himself from Chat GPT from him?

[Lauren Everts]

No, just from his own life experience.

[Lauran]

So you thought Sebastian was just gay because you're in Paris and like, it's fashion and you just assumed.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah, I was just like. I didn't. Not because of, like, how he talked or how he dressed. I mean, I could tell that he's a well dressed man, but because it's so rare to meet a straight guy in fashion. Right. And so my friend was like, oh, Criselle, this is Sebastian, my boss. Sebastian, this is Criselle. And it was just like, oh, nice to meet you. And then the next morning, my friend Jeannie was like, hey, we want to come over to get some coffee at your hotel. And I was like, sure. So they came to our hotel and my hotel in the lobby were just having a chit chat. And I had no idea why, but she was clearly trying to set us up. He was also going through his divorce at the time, and so I think she was just like, ooh, like this. This could be good for both of them. And he was living in London at the time. And for me, I was like, oh, it's not gonna happen. Like, this is a mission impossible. Mission impossible, right.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm telling you, all roads lead back to Tom Cruise. They all do.

[Chriselle Lim]

All roads lead to Tom Cruise. So I was like, if anything could just be like, you know, a fun, flirty thing. So we just kept in touch. And like a year goes by, the next fashion week comes around and we see each other again. And that's when I think we realized that we really liked each other. And so that's when we kind of, like made the move. But it took us about a year and a half to really feel like, okay, like, we could do something about this.

[Lauran]

And when did you guys decide to introduce the kids? Cause you said he has two and you have two.

[Chriselle Lim]

It took a while. And that was very intentional for me. Cause again, as much as I liked Seb, I didn't know if it was gonna work out. Our situation was too extreme. So I was like, I'm not gonna introduce the kid to someone that might not be here in the next year or two, especially given that he lives in the uk. And so I think it was a year. So for me, it was two years after. But a year for me, after officially dating him, when I was like, okay. Like, this is. This feels like I could. This feels right and solid. And so I actually introduced them through the phone. At first, they never met, and then I think it was two years after they actually met in person.

[Lauran]

So were you surprised when he proposed?

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah. Like, I mean, not surprised because we talked about it because we're both married, and after you've been married, the question is, like, do we really need this anymore? So we talked about it a lot, but at that moment, at the place he did it at, which was at the airport, and. Cause that's, like, where we. We essentially are always at. It was like, what's going on? Like, what are you doing right now? And he was on his knee. It was like, a whole moment. And I was like, I can't believe this is happening here at the airport.

[Lauran]

That's creative. He proposed at the airport.

[Chriselle Lim]

As you get to know Sebastian, he's very unorthodox. Like, he likes to do things the opposite way of how people would typically do things.

[Lauran]

Sounds fun.

[Chriselle Lim]

It's fun. That's what I love about him. Like, you just never know.

[Lauran]

That sounds fun in your mind.

[Michael Bostic]

And you mentioned this a little bit off air. Think you're engaged, but thinking if you get married or not, and you just brought up, like, after being married and having kids, what. What are in your kind of calculus? What are the pros and cons or upsides or downsides of getting married or not? And again, like, how do you think about the reasons?

[Chriselle Lim]

I think I wish I understood marriage before going into my first marriage. And I think this is education that a lot of people just don't know because there's no course you could really take about it. It's just through friends and family members that you learn about as you go. But what I learned is that marriage is essentially a piece of paper. Right? And so the question that Sebastian and I have now is we are fully. And the reason why we decided to get engaged was because we wanted to fully commit our lives to each other. But why can't we do that now? Do we have to do the paperwork? Like, is the paperwork gonna lock us in even more? No, it shouldn't. Like, our. Our love should be as is, without the paperwork. Right. And so the question that we have now is, are we husband and wife just by title, because we made that commitment to each other without the paperwork, or do we need the paperwork? I don't know. And so I think we're just Much smarter about it and talking about like prenups and all of that, if it does happen, you just learn as you get wiser, as you get older.

[Lauran]

I also think too, like, I really liked when I was like just engaged. Like, I just liked that moment. And I think people just get engaged and they want to rush to the wedding.

[Michael Bostic]

No, but I mean, and like if.

[Lauran]

I could give anyone advice, it's like there's no, you don't have to rush to the wedding.

[Michael Bostic]

Like I said, engaged for a while.

[Lauran]

We were engaged for like four years.

[Lauren Everts]

You always get the dates wrong.

[Michael Bostic]

We weren't engaged that long, but we were engaged.

[Lauran]

I'm not like a datesy person, but it was a long time.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

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It's so cute.

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[Michael Bostic]

I think about like when you talk about divorce practically or practically from a business paperwork standpoint to unravel if all the stuff that Lauren and I like in terms of like hold together and do together. Like it would be such a spider web of a mess.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

To do that. And I think that's what you're talking about.

[Lauran]

It's like I would also throw a match in the spider. Yes.

[Michael Bostic]

Laying in a ditch somewhere.

[Chriselle Lim]

Oh yeah.

[Lauran]

No, that's too easy.

[Lauren Everts]

But I know what you're.

[Michael Bostic]

I know what you're saying. You've had a lot of success. It sounds like he's had a lot of success. You have children, you've been married before. The paperwork does make things complicated even. And if you don't, you have to even pre do all that stuff. So it's a, it's just a. I.

[Chriselle Lim]

Hear what you're saying and I'm not saying that we won't. I didn't cross that off yet. But it's a question that I ask a lot and I think they are the right question. I think it's a question that everyone should be asking themselves before they get married because or at least if you are going to do the paperwork, you know, be very clear about like how it's going to even unravel. And I think that is maturing is like realizing that shit can happen. Things can happen. It doesn't mean that you love a person less. It doesn't mean that you devalue the relationship. It's just maturing of realizing that you never know. And so you have to have these conversations. What I love about my relationship with Sebastian is that I could bring up any subject, anything, and not feel judged whatsoever. I could feel like I could ask him the questions that are deeply, like, in the deepest, darkest part of my brain. And I think it's just honesty at this point. And so we do talk about that, right? As, like, okay, do we really need this? And if we do, then how is that gonna look like? And if it doesn't work out, then how would that work out? How would that look like? And so I think it's just becoming smarter and not being afraid to have those hard conversations.

[Lauran]

That would feel hard to be. I mean, to be judged. If you said something in a relationship, I mean, that you. You are right. That's so refreshing for you to probably to be able to say whatever you want and not feel judged. Yeah, that's how it should be. You should be able to say whatever you want.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah. I even take him to, like, this is tmi, but I take him to, like, my skincare clinic places. Usually that's, like, my thing. And I don't, like, want any guys around me, but he, like, knows. He sees everything, and. Yeah, it's just nice that I could show that side of me.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Lauran]

Yeah, you could be yourself.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Lauran]

It's really that simple.

[Chriselle Lim]

Took care of me when I got, like, some surgeries and all that fun stuff.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

So what's the surgeries?

[Lauran]

You got to tell us what the surgeries were.

[Chriselle Lim]

We love the juice, right?

[Lauran]

Yeah.

[Chriselle Lim]

So I recently went through a period, it was last winter, where I was like, I need to get all my fillers dissolved. So I got all of my fillers dissolved.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Does it hurt?

[Lauran]

I heard it hurts.

[Chriselle Lim]

It hurts because they're, like. They have to, like, you know, massage it.

[Lauran]

I never have looked at you and thought you were overfilled. Did you feel like you were overfilled?

[Chriselle Lim]

So there was a point in. So I was just for some context, I was getting very small amounts of fillers for over 10 years, but very small amounts. So every year I would kind of upkeep it. Right. But at one point, I think it was maybe three years ago, I woke up and I was like, God, like, why do I look so puffy? Not puffy as in, like, I look just so filled up. But why do I Look like I. I ate too much, like, salt and food, like, the night before. I would wake up looking like that every single day. And I'm like, oh, I was in denial for so long, right? I was like, oh, maybe it's like what I'm eating. Maybe I have to drink more water, maybe I have to get more sleep. But it was the fillers that moved, essentially. And so I went to my derm. I go to this girl named Cindy at West Point. It's kind of like a. It's a nice clinic, but it's not that many people know about it. But I went there because I got. It was highly recommended to me. The first thing she said to me was, we need to dissolve everything. And so I was like, so overwhelming. Okay, let's go. So it took. Luckily, because I didn't have that much, it only took one session. I know some people, they have to go back to multiple sessions. But she dissolved everything. She dissolved everything. And. And the one thing that I noticed and realized that I forgot about was I had this massive fat pad underneath this eye that I'd been filling up that I forgot about. So it was kind of like this piece of fat that stood out and it looked really hollow underneath because of that fat pad. And so when I noticed that, I was like, ah, shit, like, I need to get fillers again. So I called Cindy and I was like, hey, can I just. Just the left eye, can I just get that filler? She's like, that's way too much filler. Like the amount of filler that you had under there just to cover up that fat pad was not, not okay. She's like, what you need to do is go get the under bleph. Like, you need to get that. That shit taken out or smooth it out, right?

[Lauran]

And an under bleph is when they pull the under eye up.

[Chriselle Lim]

So I didn't get a full on under bluff because yes, that is essentially like, I don't know the exact term, but they do pull it out, but it's more. So what I needed was I needed them to go inside and smooth out the fat.

[Lauran]

That sounds painful. Was that painful?

[Chriselle Lim]

No, because I was asleep.

[Lauran]

But when you woke up, was it painful?

[Chriselle Lim]

No. And I'll show you like a before and after, but you look beautiful. Thank you. But this was last year, so it's been a year. It was the best decision I've made. And honestly, I was like, I never needed fillers. I never needed that. And not saying that I regret it because of course we learn in Hindsight, but I think that I adjust. And you're just like, oh, I need a little bit more. And you just forget how you look and who you are. And so I haven't touched it since. And not saying I'm against it, I'm not saying I will never get it again, but as of now, I'm very happy with the results and how I look. And I'm thinking more longevity wise, like things that I could do that will help me keep up my, you know, vitality and beauty over time versus having to upkeep it like every single month. Like, I don't know much about this.

[Michael Bostic]

Subject, but Dr. Terry Debrow was here the other day and he was saying that, like, that's one of the things people make a mistake with. It's like the filler over long periods of time, little by little, and then all of a sudden one day you're just like, it's all there, right. And you got to figure it out.

[Chriselle Lim]

Like, where is it going? I don't know.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. Because I think. And especially now because people are doing this younger and younger and they're not thinking like, you got like another 60, 70 years of your life. Like, you gotta have a long term strategy.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah. You have to.

[Lauran]

I also think this is really weird, but if you do filler and you don't do facial manipulation, like if you're go. Let's say you're going to do it like, you're like, I want it in my jaw, I want it in my chin, I want it my temple, wherever you want it. You have to do facial manipulation.

[Chriselle Lim]

Because what is facial manipulation?

[Lauran]

Like facial massage. Oh, but I'm talking about like deep facial massage. Like, like lymphatic with deep. With the buckle with all of it.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Lauran]

Because this is my own, by the way. This is Lauren science. I think that you. You have to, like, help it, like, go through your system. Does that make sense if it just sits there and no one ever touches it?

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Lauran]

I feel like it would get lumpy.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah, yeah, it does get lumpy.

[Lauran]

You know what I'm saying?

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lauran]

So I think facial massage, I felt.

[Chriselle Lim]

Like no one really talks about or teaches you. Yeah, yeah. So I don't know it. So that was the surgery I was talking about.

[Lauran]

Well, you look great.

[Chriselle Lim]

Thank you.

[Lauran]

Before you go, you have to tell us about the sale of your company and, like, where you are right now.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah. So Fleur, we recently got acquired. I think it's. It's been about three months now, and it's been a really exciting journey. You know, when I came on board to relaunch Fleur and take over Fleur four years ago, I wouldn't have imagined that we would really be kind of pioneering and redefining this fragrance category for this new generation. And that's been really exciting. Just because fragrance is so different now than how our parents or how even we were applying fragrances back then. It's really about. It's an expression now. And Fleur really became that for people. We launched with Missing Person, which was. It's our hit scent. We have multiple, but that is our biggest scent. And it was really through my story of loss and pain and feeling lonely and missing myself. Missing a person, missing feeling loved. And back then, no one ever would buy a scent without smelling it first. So we weren't out of Sephora at the time. Missing person launched D2C, and not only did we sell out, but we had a wait list of 250,000 people for a scent that no one has ever smelled before.

[Lauran]

How did you guys get that? Was that all through your following?

[Chriselle Lim]

So, no. So it went beyond. So I. So how I view fragrance and how we view Fleur is that it all kind of starts with me, with the mic. Like, I have the mic, and I'm telling my story and what this represents and what the story is. But what's beautiful about Fleur is that we pass the mic to other people and then they share it. And so what happened with Missing Person was I shared my story of heartbreak and loneliness and just. Just craving love and to be loved. And then all of a sudden, the next person would film something of a spraying missing person, and they would literally start crying because it brought so much emotion. It's a very. It's a scent that brings a lot of nostalgia and memories back. And so it was one to 1,000 to hundreds of thousands of people just sharing stories of what this scent reminded them of.

[Lauran]

It's great marketing.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Lauran]

Smart. And it's also, like, there's depth there.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah. And it wasn't. You know, we clearly didn't know that it was gonna be such a hit because we were sold out for six months, and we couldn't get inventory of it. But one. It's a beautiful skin. Musk scent. It becomes your skin. It's yummy. It's delicious. But it's you. At the end of the day. You said that you're very sensitive.

[Lauran]

Very sensitive.

[Chriselle Lim]

I was actually with another. Do you know Dr. Enigma?

[Lauran]

Dr. Enigma.

[Chriselle Lim]

Nygma. Nygma. I might be saying her Name wrong. But she's this very popular doctor, and she was like, I cannot wear a scent. And she's like, I have all the scents out there, all of the most expensive scents. They're just on my van. And she's, like, the only scent I can use every single day is missing person.

[Lauran]

That's really interesting, because ask my husband, like, I cannot stand certain scents, like, to the point where, like, I can't even have it in my house.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Lauran]

If I get in an Uber and there's Old Spice, I'll, like, I'll die. But when I just went to hug you, the first thing I noticed about you, which is so interesting, was your scent. And I was like, what is that? And it didn't bother me at all.

[Chriselle Lim]

Why? Oh, my God. Why?

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

It's like.

[Lauran]

It smells clean.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yes.

[Lauran]

And you were wearing cherry.

[Chriselle Lim]

I was wearing cherry stem, or I am wearing cherry stem, but I'm also wearing a mixture of a lot of different things. But what you're probably smelling is cherry stem, because that was the last thing I smelled. But that is the beauty of Fleur. And I love that you said that, because a lot of our scents, it's typically a little bit lighter than the scents out there. And, you know, some people might have issues with that because they're looking for something that is very heady and strong. But we're not that brand. We're a brand that you could layer, you could mix, you could make it your own. It's playful, but it's not in your face, and it's still. You can.

[Lauran]

I think there's something about Hetty and Strong that I have to say. I hate to break it to everyone. It's really hard when something's heady and strong and you're projecting your scent onto the person.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Lauran]

Do you know what I mean? Like, I feel like when someone walks.

[Michael Bostic]

By and they're five feet away and it hits you in the face when.

[Lauran]

It'S too much scent, I. What I like is. It's like the way you smelled is almost like there was, like, a mysteriousness.

[Chriselle Lim]

That was the best compliment.

[Lauran]

Yeah. It wasn't like. It's not like I didn't feel like you were trying to come in with a scent, and it was, like, all over you.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yeah.

[Lauran]

Do you know what I'm saying?

[Chriselle Lim]

A lot of our scents, the dry down is musky, so it becomes your scent. And I think that is kind of the Fleur formula. Every formula is a little bit different, but if you look at our notes, a lot of them have either, like, a musk, a skin musk at the base, or a little bit of a light sandalwood. It dries down to become you. So the top note is like, what's bright and what brings you in? But once it's settled, you're like, oh, you smell like you, but with a little cherry on top or something added. And that is kind of the Fleur formula.

[Lauran]

It's beautiful. So we're gonna do code skinny for 15% off. You go to fleur.com. that's P-H-L-U-R dot com. I personally am gonna go buy the cherry stem. I love how it smells. You guys check out missing person too, it sounds like. And we'll do a giveaway, I guess. If you follow ler on Instagram and.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Tell us your favorite part of this episode, on my latest post, Aurenbostic Criselle.

[Lauran]

Will send you all her favorites.

[Chriselle Lim]

Yay.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

That's a good one.

[Lauran]

Like a little goody bag.

[Chriselle Lim]

I love that. Yeah, I have a lot of favorites, so there will be a lot coming.

[Lauran]

Oh, did you hear that?

[Chriselle Lim]

I can't have one favorite child, right?

[Lauran]

Nope.

[Chriselle Lim]

Well, it depends on the sometimes. Yeah, it depends.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Tell us where everyone can say hi.

[Lauran]

And find you and support everything you're doing.

[Chriselle Lim]

You could find me on Instagram and TikTok hisellem C H R I S E L L E L I m and of course, on Fleur.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

P H L u r the next.

[Lauran]

Time you come on, I feel like it'll be in, like, three years or something, and then we'll have, like, another story to tell.

[Chriselle Lim]

Oh, my goodness.

[Lauran]

Because you're always evolving.

[Chriselle Lim]

We have to. We have to do this, like, at least every two years, bi, yearly or something. Something like that. Thank you, guys.

[Lauran]

Congratulations.

[Michael Bostic]

Thanks, Roselle.

[Chriselle Lim]

Thank you.