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Dave Asprey On Biohacking That Works, How To Feel Better, Increase Your Energy, & Avoid What Causes Us Harm
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#847: Join us as we sit down with Dave Asprey – entrepreneur, best-selling author, & biohacking advocate, widely recognized as a leading figure in the biohacking movement. Often referred to as “The Father of Biohacking”, Dave has dedicated...
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Lauren Everts
The following podcast is a Dear Media Production.
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Michael Bostick
She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Lauren Everts
Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie.
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Michael Bostick
And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostick.
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Lauren Everts
Are bringing you along for the ride.
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Dave Asprey
Get ready for some major realness.
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Michael Bostick
Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her.
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Dave Asprey
Dave Asprey. He is the founder of Bulletproof Coffee, the Bulletproof Diet, and really the entire biohacking movement. It is so on brand that the father of biohacking is on the him and her show today. We go everywhere in this episode. I'm sure you can imagine Dave is a four time New York Times bestselling author. He's also the CEO of Upgrade Labs and he has an award winning top hundred podcast called the Human Upgrade. You've seen him everywhere and I know that you guys are gonna very much enjoy this episode. On that note, Dave, welcome to the him and her show.
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Michael Bostick
This is the Skinny Confidential. Him and her.
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Dave Asprey
Dave, I'm gonna get into Ed and the penis later.
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Lauren Everts
Okay, whatever you're into.
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Dave Asprey
But first I just wanna get the lay of the land with your stories. So the audience, if they have not heard it, which they probably already have, but just give us a little, a little background. You were struggling with brain fog, weight gain and a body that was aging too fast. How did you wake up and have that epip to do something different?
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Lauren Everts
The problem is that I wasn't waking up. I was 300 pounds and when I was 14, they said, you have arthritis. I was on antibiotics for 15 years for chronic strep throat. I started to get fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome. And by the time I was 30, the doctors said, you have high risk of stroke and heart attack. You're pre diabetic, you need to lose the weight. I'm like, really? I didn't notice and what should I do? And they said, you should try to eat healthy and exercise. And I'm like 18 months, 90 minutes a day, six days a week on a low fat, starving all the time, semi vegetarian diet. Is that enough? And they just looked at me like, oh, you're lying. Like, I'm not lying. It didn't work right. So that was part of what led me to just say, I am only going to do what works. I was sitting at a Carl's Jr. With all of my thin friends because people were thin back 20 years ago, not like now. And I realized they're eating double western bacon cheeseburgers. I've got the chicken salad with no dressing. Oh, and no chicken because Calories. And I work out more than all of my friends combined. And I'm the fattest guy at the table. Like, maybe it's because I'm eating too much lettuce, or maybe it doesn't work. And when the doctor told me vitamin C would kill me, I'm like, they don't even understand. So I started hanging out with people three times my age at one of the first longevity nonprofits. Within a couple years, they said, dave, will you be president? So I'm running a nonprofit with the leaders in longevity from the 90s and early aughts teaching me all of their secrets. And I could never get anyone under 60 to come to this. So I went on a spiritual pilgrimage, and I do a lot of meditation stuff around the world. And I spent three months in Nepal and Tibet, and I just thought about it. I'm like, oh, we have a branding problem for longevity. The reality is the stuff that makes old people young makes young people powerful. And so I renamed it to biohacking. And then all of a sudden, we're all interested, and hedge fund managers and software developers and tech entrepreneurs did it. And then it was Hollywood and huge bands, and Rick Rubin's on the red carpet with Ed Sheenan talking about it. Not because I asked him to, not because I was paying anybody, just because it was working. And this biohacking thing is now a $63 billion industry. Started with a blog post in 2011, the first biohacking conference in 2012. And today the conference is in Austin, May 28, with 4,000 people. And it's changed the way we talk about health. Anytime someone says, hack your health or upgrade your health, these were not words you said. And when I first said them, it was outrageous, and it made people really angry. And then I would just look at him, well, why are you so angry? Like, do you not want to have control of your biology? And the original definition of biohacking, it was the art and science of changing the environment around you and inside of you so you have control of your own biology and that control. I want energy. I want focus. I want to be young. I want to look a certain way. And it really started out for me with, I want to be fertile because the mother of my children was infertile. And it took five years of research and developing a nutrition plan. My first book that people mostly don't know about is around preconception and pregnancy and fertility and having smarter children. You want to live a long time, have a healthy mom. That's the easiest thing ever what did.
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Dave Asprey
Did you realize you said you were eating lettuce with no dressing and no chicken because calories. What were the changes that you made in your diet that made a big difference? Or were there little biohacks that you were doing to lose the weight?
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Lauren Everts
Well, from that time forward, I tried every diet. I tried the Zone diet, I tried the Atkins diet. In fact, you can lose 50 pounds on a low carb diet easily. And the Atkins diet was the original keto diet. And full credit to Dr. Atkins for that. Problem was he didn't care about what kind of protein or what kind of fat and what kind of sweeteners. So you can lose £50 of £100. The other £50 took me 10 years of research to figure out. And it comes down to get enough protein and fat from animals and it's 1 gram per pound of body weight. And if you do that, it's like taking Ozempic and you're just never hungry. And you get to be as lean as you want as long as the basics are working. Your sex hormones, your thyroid, and you're not eating a lot of other junk. And then concentrate on butter and saturated fats with some olive oil and just don't eat all the weird synthetic industrial oils. You do those things, you can still have carbs even. And people just lose weight. And I've had clients lose a pound a day for 75 days on this kind of thing. And people lost millions of pounds on reading my diet book. And today, what I do different, I eat fewer variety of plants than I did back then because the first chapter in the book, I talked about different types of plant toxins and we've just become better at knowing where they are. So there's a great chance that listeners right now are eating superfoods that are actually peasant foods and they're not good for you. They're just better than starving to death.
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Michael Bostick
When you say peasant foods, are you just saying these are foods that were largely abundant for, at the time, peasants to acquire and they're not so nutritionally valuable?
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Lauren Everts
What I mean is that if you were the king or the duke or the ruler, you're going to eat the white flour or the white rice, depending on where you are. It's not because you're dumb. It's because all of the toxins and irritants are on the outside of the grain. And it's okay to feed those to the peasants because if they die, there's always more. I mean, it's kind of mean, but that's how it Is. So these are foods that are cheap and bulky and provide calories but not very much nutrition. So if you can afford to, you throw away the brown part of the rice where all the arsenic is and all the irritants of the gut, and you throw away the brown part of the wheat where all of the oxalate, which causes kidney stones and all sorts of problems. But if you don't have much choice because you're really poor, you feed them the whole grain because there's more calories in the outer parts. There's just more toxins. So the whole history of food processing until very recently was let's make the food less toxic. And what did the people who could afford it eat? They ate the cows, they ate the fish, they ate the eggs, they eat the cream.
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Dave Asprey
I have to know though, like, what if I laid out a bunch of vegetables?
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Lauren Everts
Would you not dare touch kale and spinach? Okay, chard. Those are not good for you. 70% of kidney stones are caused by oxalate and those are very high oxalate foods. Beets. I'm not touching beets.
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Dave Asprey
Why?
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Lauren Everts
Because they're high in oxalate.
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Dave Asprey
Okay, what else?
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Lauren Everts
You feed borscht to the peasants. And that is not what the royalty ate. And I'm not obsessed with the royalty ate. I'm just saying that you, if you have enough money, historically, you spent the money on the most nutritious foods and you got rid of the toxins as much as you could. Right? And if you didn't care about someone as much because you viewed them as, you know, property or chattel or whatever, like you know your subjects, well, then you're like, well, just eat whatever, as long as you have enough energy that you're not starving. It's a very different perspective.
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Dave Asprey
What about celery?
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Lauren Everts
Celery is reasonably good. Now, a lot of carnivore people, and I've kind of been on that side of the camp for a very long time. Grass fed red meat is central to the nutritional stuff I recommend. But you can have some celery. But I wouldn't want to eat two heads of celery every day. That can be too much. And surprisingly, raspberries are terrible for you.
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Dave Asprey
Why?
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Lauren Everts
They are exceptionally high in oxalate.
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Michael Bostick
Good. I don't like raspberries.
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Dave Asprey
I just took 200 raspberries stuffed with Hue chocolate to my kid's school.
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Michael Bostick
What about blueberries? Blueberries are the way to go.
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Lauren Everts
Blueberries are legit. You should eat blueberries.
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Dave Asprey
Okay, so what fruits do you like?
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Lauren Everts
I'LL eat melons. I will eat strawberries. I'll eat blueberries all day long. Mangoes. Mangoes are legit too, right? But I don't really eat bananas and specifically raspberries and blackberries. So I have them on my farm. I built a regenerative farm in Canada, raised my kids on it. And here's the problem with raspberries. There is so much of this oxalate that when you eat it, it finds calcium in your body and it forms razor sharp crystals, super tiny ones. And I have known so many women with interstitial cystitis or chronic UTIs, it's because their urine is full of razor sharp things that keep cutting their urethra. In fact, a friend recently, I was like, could you. She helped me complain. I'm like, step away from the raspberries. She was eating a box a day. Cause they're supposed to be good for you. She's had interstitial cystitis for 10 plus years. It went away in three days of cutting these out of her diet.
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Dave Asprey
I literally just gave 20 students at school 700 raspberries. So thank you for this information. I will not. I'll bring melon.
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Lauren Everts
Here's the thing.
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Michael Bostick
Geez.
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Lauren Everts
Historically, something, you get raspberries two weeks of the year, right? They spoil quickly and you're done. And if you did that, you'll dump the oxalate that your body picks up from that and it's okay. But we eat foods like almonds that are also very high. We eat them all the time, right? So this isn't what you would do naturally. Almonds are also incredibly hard to get. And as a farmer, I have a walnut tree. I have only eaten two walnuts in my life because the squirrels and the crows steal them. So if you want almonds and you're going through all of history, you had to have someone sitting there killing all the animals, trying to steal your almonds. And they're not that dense on trees, so they're a luxury food that you get a little bit of. You don't eat almond butter all the time. And when I first started sharing nutrition advice, I was not strict enough on this category of plant toxin. And the number of people with joint pain and skin conditions and all these weird things that are caused by plants, it's insane. So what you do is you back way off on the plants. You don't stop eating them entirely. And he's like, wow, what just changed? And quite often, really big things happen.
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Michael Bostick
So we've heard doing the show for as Long as we've done it. We've heard versions of this. I've never heard yet somebody come on. And not like spinach. And that is obviously if you Google or go through AI. What should you eat more to get certain kinds of things? Spinach is always at the top of the. Why don't you like spinach?
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Lauren Everts
It's absurd. So like, oh, spinach has iron, spinach has whatever. Spinach is so full of oxalate. Oxalate is a chelator. What that means is it sticks to minerals, all the minerals in spinach, you can't use them. And it is stealing minerals from your bones and inserting basically tiny little cactus spines throughout your body that cause all kinds of problems.
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Dave Asprey
So what lettuces vegetables are, is Dave eating?
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Lauren Everts
Arugula is perfectly safe.
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Dave Asprey
You better put arugula on my son's smoothie tomorrow. Not that smoothie. I have a guy, he's been feeding my son spinach, spinach every day.
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Lauren Everts
Stop it.
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Michael Bostick
I have a little spinach, but luckily I eat very few vegetables and I have never eaten vegetables and everyone gets mad at me for not eating all these vegetables. And I feel great.
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Lauren Everts
Vegetables are not essential.
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Dave Asprey
Okay, what else?
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Lauren Everts
Arugula is good. You can eat romaine. Any kind of lettuce is just fine.
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Dave Asprey
Okay?
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Lauren Everts
The darker the better. Okay, it's just spinach and kale and chard are the nasty ones.
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Dave Asprey
Okay.
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Lauren Everts
And beet greens, if people are dumb enough to eat those.
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Dave Asprey
What's your most at this moment unpopular opinion that is wild, that you really just want to say, but people aren't ready for it.
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Lauren Everts
Tobacco is bad for you, but nicotine is good for you.
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Dave Asprey
Oh, I, I can't get down with that.
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Lauren Everts
That's right.
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Dave Asprey
Oh, Michael loves nicotine. Michael's like, fuck yeah.
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Lauren Everts
I interviewed this has got to be eight, nine years ago, a guy called Dr. Nicotine from Vanderbilt University. And I found him because he wrote the first paper in 1986 showing that pharmaceutical nicotine, not smoking, not vaping, but pharmaceutical nicotine reverses Alzheimer's disease. And he has published paper after paper after paper since then. But when I say nicotine, most listeners heard me say tobacco. They're not the same thing. Coffee and caffeine are not the same thing. So when you get rid of all the tobacco nastiness, what's left is at low doses, something that is neuroprotective, something, something that mimics exercise in the body and something that helps with focus. So you look at mother Nature's two original cognitive enhancing, life enhancing substances. It is caffeine and nicotine, and both are good for you at the right dose. In fact, they're both associated in many studies with benefits. Now, if you're taking huge amounts of nicotine or you're smoking, the benefits are overwhelmed by burning stuff and breathing it. Right? But if you're drinking energy drinks, it's not the same as having either caffeine or coffee. And there's. I mean, coffee is the most potent superfood of any superfood you could find. Just look at the studies. Reductions of all cause, mortality. Look at cancer, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, liver health, brain health. It just goes on and on. And you have these weird people with like 1970s beliefs going, well, I'm going to give up caffeine because it's addictive. You know what else is addictive? Sleep, exercise, breathing. There's nothing wrong with something that makes you feel better and makes you live longer if you do it every day. Plus, coffee tastes good. So I would say caffeine and nicotine are beneficial at low doses for humans. And the evidence is overwhelming.
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Michael Bostick
Yeah, I've never understood the people that say, you gotta, like, cut coffee for me. I think you have to learn how to do it in the right dosage. There's no better person to ask about coffee. How do you consume coffee at this point?
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Dave Asprey
Give us your exact routine.
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Lauren Everts
I always brew my coffee with a metal filter.
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Dave Asprey
Okay, what's the brand?
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Lauren Everts
The brand is called Danger Coffee and it's Danger because who knows what you might do. This is my new coffee post, Bulletproof. And it has a therapeutic dose of trace minerals and electrolytes in it. You won't taste the minerals, it's super high in coffee. But these are the minerals that your body needs more of and were all mineral depleted, so you needed those anyway. They might as well be in your coffee because it makes the coffee hit different. But it tastes so good.
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Dave Asprey
That makes total sense. What's the metal filter?
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Lauren Everts
The metal filter is if you have any kind of coffee maker, it can have a paper filter or it can have like a tiny little screen in it. And if you have a paper filter, it soaks up the oils in the coffee. And coffee oils are essential oils, not essential, nutritionally essential, more like essential oils, like from herbs. And these are associated with reductions of inflammation in the brain. They're called cafestrol and cowahol. And they can raise cholesterol in what I would consider to be a beneficial way. And they're good for the liver.
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Dave Asprey
Is there, is it like on Amazon? Is it Just like a random. You need to make Danger Coffee metal filters.
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Lauren Everts
Well, that would sound. And we could make the filters. That's an interesting idea. And if you do a French press, that's a metal screen. If you do espresso, which is what I do, I have a beautiful espresso machine. I bought it by accident once, but I drink Americanos and sometimes I put some MCT or butter, but not usually. I don't need to with the minerals. It's fine by itself.
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Dave Asprey
I'm going to ask you the brand of your beautiful espresso maker too. Sorry.
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Lauren Everts
It's a La Marzocco GS3.
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Dave Asprey
A La Marzocca GS3. This sounds like a Ferrari.
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Lauren Everts
It looks like a Ferrari.
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Dave Asprey
Okay.
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Lauren Everts
The reason I have this is that years ago when I started Bulletproof, I hired the first employee from Starbucks because I knew about coffee toxins. But there's things about the industry I didn't know. And she said, well, you're CEO of a coffee company. Let me buy you a good espresso machine. I'm like, it was a couple grand or something. This machine was at the time $17,000. And she didn't tell me. And it arrives and I took it out of its crate and put it in my car because I had to get it into Canada without it being new. So I then I saw the receipt. I'm like, I can't return this thing. It was $17,000 and I have used it for 14 years and it brings me joy every day. So I feel it was worth it maybe, but it's. It's awesome.
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Michael Bostick
So if you were going to advise someone on the typical dosage, let's say of coffee and caffeine and maybe timing of that dosage, what would you say is right for most individuals?
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Lauren Everts
Studies show increasing benefits, up to five cups a day, for reductions in all cause mortality. And so the upper limit for caffeine would be about 400 milligrams. So that means you can have up to five cups. And decaf works if you want to. Different people have different rates of removing caffeine based on liver metabolism. For most people, you can drink coffee until two in the afternoon, and for some people it's noon. And for some unlucky people, you have to stop at 10am or it'll ruin your sleep later that night. And if you get jittery when you drink coffee, it's not the coffee, it's the mold in the coffee. This is a major problem in the us The US has no limitations on toxic mold in coffee. And you're not going to see. The mold is the toxins left over from fermentation. So when coffee is illegal to sell in China, Japan, or Europe, they will send it to the US and then we drink it, and then an hour later, we're like, jittery and cranky. We want sugar. And it's not the coffee, it's the mold. And there are thousands of people who say, I had to quit drinking coffee. And I was one of them. And then they tried Danger Coffee, and they're like, oh, I don't have any issues with this. I'm like, huh? Maybe it wasn't the coffee. It was something else in the coffee.
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Dave Asprey
For me, I'm wondering, what's the difference between Bulletproof and Danger?
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Lauren Everts
Bulletproof is my old company. I was removed from the company several years ago. It's been bought by a hedge fund. I have nothing to do with Bulletproof anymore.
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Dave Asprey
Okay.
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Lauren Everts
And I like to read the labels on the things that I consume. And Danger Coffee says mold free right on the label. And some of the other brands I've worked with don't say mold free anymore.
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Dave Asprey
Mold free is really important.
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Lauren Everts
It's critically important in coffee, especially if you're. If you get jittery from coffee.
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Dave Asprey
And just, just so I'm clear, do you put butter in Danger Coffee?
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Lauren Everts
You can. You don't have to, do you? Not regularly. If I have, like a really big day or something. And the reason butter in coffee works really well, I got the idea in Tibet on the side of the holiest mountain in the world, when I had yak butter tea.
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Michael Bostick
What year was that?
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Dave Asprey
Hold on. What's yak butter tea?
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Michael Bostick
It sounds like it's a tea from yak butter.
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Lauren Everts
Well, that was. That was 2007.
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Michael Bostick
What a hard hitting question, Lauren.
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Lauren Everts
And so it was really weird. I went there and I'm. You're at 18,000ft elevation, which is really high, and it's cold and you feel like garbage when you're at those mountaineering levels. And I just drank this thing. I'm like, my brain works incredibly well. What just happened? And it drove me crazy because this little Tibetan woman, she walks a quarter mile to the river, cracks the ice, gets the water. They boil the water over yak dung fire because that's the only fuel you can have up there. There's no trees. And then they make the tea and, okay, okay, I want tea. No, no, no. Then they take the tea and they pour it into a butter churn, and they add a couple big hunks of yak butter. And she takes 10 minutes going, cha, chunk, cha, chunk, just churning the butter. I'm like, what is this? And then they drink this kind of lukewarm tea. Like, that's dumb. Eat the butter, drink the tea. It does not work. And I funded research at the University of Washington. It was like a $50,000 grant. And Dr. Gerald Pollock, who's one of the premier biologists studying water in cells, he's like, dave, it turns out butter oil and MCT oil change the structure of the water into the same water that your cells use for energy. So these Tibetans figured it out a long time ago that they don't have enough energy. There's not enough food. But if they could make the water so that the body could use it directly, that it was actually more energy efficient. So that's why she was churning the butter.
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Dave Asprey
Dave, if I don't wake up tomorrow and Michael's not churning butter for 10 minutes with some yak butter in there, I'm gonna divorce him.
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Lauren Everts
Okay?
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Dave Asprey
That's what I want. That's how I want my coffee.
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Lauren Everts
The good news, Michael, is that the wealthier Tibetans, who had two yaks, they would have a car battery and a blender. It's much easier now with little hand whisks. But back then, literally, that was the height of luxury. So they could blend it.
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Michael Bostick
So I thought you were gonna say the good news, Michael, and then pull out some yak butter.
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Lauren Everts
But nice, you have a pocket.
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Michael Bostick
The story will suffice.
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Lauren Everts
But. But the thing is, with the minerals in danger coffee, it. It's got so much energy in it that I. I do much less butter in my coffee because I get my butter in other dishes.
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Dave Asprey
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Michael Bostick
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Dave Asprey
What was the first time that you meditated and did that change your life or was it meditating over time that changed your life?
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Lauren Everts
Well, I was interested in meditation in my 20s, so I would get these CDs back then and I would try some of it. And I did some esoteric practice. And actually I had a scary experience and I was like, what is that? Like, I'm not. I'm not doing that anymore. Like, I went into some altered state. And this will sound funny, like a leprechaun attacked me. And I'm like, what the absolute. Can I swear on here?
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Dave Asprey
Of course not.
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Lauren Everts
I'm like, what the absolute fuck? Like, I don't. I was just trying to. Okay, I'm done with this. Okay. I have no idea what's going on in my brain. It's probably toxic mold or something, but I'm like, from coffee? This is so weird. No, that was from my house. But I was kind of weirded out by it. But then I went through this, this journey where I'm kind of anxious and miserable and angry, especially angry all the time. And my brain doesn't work that well. I've had Asperger's syndrome, but I'm getting really bad chronic fatigue. And so I tried kind of being famous. I was an entrepreneur magazine when I'm 23, the first guy to sell anything on the Internet. And most people didn't even know what the Internet was back then.
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Michael Bostick
What was that for? What did you get featured for?
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Lauren Everts
It was a T shirt that said caffeine, my drug of choice. It had this molecule, the caffeine molecule in it. So I did that. Okay, it felt good for 15 minutes, but I'm not happy. Well, shit, that doesn't work. And then I made $6 million when I was 26 at the company that held Google's first servers, when it was two guys and two computers and right at the middle of Silicon Valley where all of the big companies were using our data centers and lost the money two years later. And when I had $6 million, I looked at a friend and said, I'll be happy. I don't have 10. It doesn't make you happy. And then I tried getting married in my 20s because, hey, not being lonely will make happy. None of it worked. I got divorced when I was 30. So I'm on this path of how do I find what's going to make me happy and not angry. And after I'd sort of lost a bunch of money and had a divorce, I was really tweaking and a friend said, dave, go to this 10 day workshop. And she knows I'm a rational computer science guy. And I go, why? And she goes, you just need to. And I'm not going to tell you what it is because then you won't go. But I was so desperate and kind of broken that I went and it was like drinking from a fire hose. We did holotropic breathing, internal family systems, things you've heard of. Now, this was unheard of. And this, geez, this would have been 20, 24 years ago and a bunch of other Just really esoteric transpersonal psychology stuff. And the biggest lesson there was, we were doing this thing. You ever seen like, like people getting angry at pillows with wiffle ball bats? This kind of therapy? No, it, it's weird, okay? And I'm sitting there like, this is so dumb, but there's like these other grown ass adults, like just wailing and banging on pillows and letting go of whatever trauma they have. I'm. I do trauma work with people all the time. I understand what was going on now. By the time. I'm like, I cannot stand the sound of this. And it was freaking me out. So I'm like, I have to go. And this very wise woman, she was in her 80s, who led the event, named Barbara Findeisen. It turns out she was the head of the American Pre and Perinatal Psychology Association. She took one look at me and was like, what happened when you were born? I'm like, I had the cord wrapped around my neck. She goes, yeah, I know. And she like told me all of my flaws. I'm like, what happened? She said, oh, yeah, science, like the way you're born can set up patterns in your life. And until you deal with it. So anyway, these people are banging on these things and screaming. And these Barbara and two other women and the therapist, they said, well, let's just sit in the room and just see if you can sit here with it. And they're like, you must be feeling something. Oh yeah, I'm feeling pissed off because this is dumb. And they were very patient with me and they said, well, do you feel anything in your body? And I say, there's something in my stomach. And they go, there's a name for it. I'm like, what is it? It's fear. And I looked at him and I said, there's nothing in here to be afraid of, therefore it's not fear. And she totally laughed. He goes, you know what? Fear is an emotion. It doesn't have to be rational. And I'm like, oh, how did I think of that? And what they showed me was that my nervous system was doing all kinds of stuff that I had no idea it was doing. And that was really my entry into meditation and breath work and trauma and all these things. And I actually thought the word trauma was dumb because I'm like, I'm not bleeding. Like, there isn't any real trauma here. Just walk it off. Maybe growing up in New Mexico does that. But what they showed me was that those are states that are controllable. And after that, I went on this journey of studying with masters around the world. I've been through shamanic training. I've done Joe Dispenza's breathwork. I did a breathwork event with Stan Grof, who invented holotropic breathing, who's now 100 years old. I hosted an event.
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Dave Asprey
I'd like an invite to that.
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Lauren Everts
It's incredible. And I learned to meditate in monasteries in Tibet and in Nepal and went to South America, and it was 1999. I sought out ayahuasca, and it was not a tourist industry. People couldn't even spell it. And I went down there and I asked around, and they said, you're white. I'm like, yeah, I know, but you won't like it. It's for locals. I said, well, no, I've done my research. I want to do it. And I found a shaman. And I'm really fortunate that I found a qualified shaman, because I think it's a very dangerous drug for people who don't have the appropriate training. But I have studied with many gurus and masters over that time to understand what's going on in there. And they opened a neuroscience clinic about 10 years ago called 40 Years of Zen, because you can, in one week, change your brain using computers to match the state of someone who's meditated for decades. I spent six months of my life with electrodes glued to my head, learning how my nervous system works, how to control my state, how to not be angry, and just how to be peaceful. And that's the other side of biohacking, because you can start biohacking for longevity, which is, like, fun, but you can also start it because, I just want to be fat anymore. I want my energy back, and soon. Like, I have so much energy. I want to live a long time. And then you go, I want to be happy. So you will become on the path, or you will join the path of consciousness exploration and longevity. If you start biohacking, it's inevitable.
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Dave Asprey
What were the traumas that you were healing? And do you think that some of the traumas that you were healing got to you to the point of how successful you are?
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Lauren Everts
Having done deep work and looked at the brainwaves of more than a thousand entrepreneurs, the vast majority of them had adversity, whether it was early childhood adversity or, very commonly, bullying. I was an obese kid. I had Asperger's syndrome, and it was pretty bad. I also had oppositional defiant disorder.
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Dave Asprey
What's that?
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Lauren Everts
You ever heard the Rage against the Machine song? Like, F you, I Won't do what yout told me that's running in your head.
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Dave Asprey
Michael had.
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Michael Bostick
Yeah. But they lost a little credibility during the COVID era. Sorry. The song kind of lost a little bit of its steam.
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Lauren Everts
Pretty much most. Yeah, Rage. It was like.
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Michael Bostick
It was like rage with the machine at that point.
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Lauren Everts
It's like, wank into the machine. I don't know those guys. Ugh.
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Michael Bostick
It was devastating to me. I was a fan. Still a fan.
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Lauren Everts
Still a fan.
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Michael Bostick
But, you know.
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Lauren Everts
Yeah, I'm a fan. But it tastes bad, right? Yeah. Sorry, guys. If you're listening. So anyhow, that just resistance. Anytime someone says, do something automatically before you can think, no, you can't make me. And that can be maybe useful as an entrepreneur, but it is incredibly dysfunctional. And I had ocd and I would stutter sometimes, and I got in a lot of fights, never threw a first punch. But when you don't really have social skills and you're pretty intelligent, which I am, it's rough. So I had bullying. I had a lot of my mind, though, was from birth. Having a traumatic birth. You come into the world and something's trying to kill you. Literally, something's choking you, or there's a doctor with forceps. And birth is a process that's a spiritual process when it's natural, and if you skip steps or it's unpleasant when that happens or there's trauma, you come into the world primed. Like, I'm not safe. And you will carry that with you until you do the work. And I've sat there and I've done the work with other people who are intubated or people who are in an incubator or people who just had a rough birth. And this is not something that you're going to have in your conscious mind. And what I've learned and what's in my new book, it's that your body processes reality for about a third of a second, and then it shows you an emotion, and then you make up a story about the emotion. So if your body is primed for threats instead of primed for safety and thriving and connection, you will be angry, you will be anxious, and it is not your fault. You won't even know that there's another state possible.
- [36:37]
Dave Asprey
If someone's impatient and irritable all the time, how do they get connection? How do they switch it?
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Lauren Everts
Just stop being vegan. Easy. Sorry. One of my love languages is trolling vegans. I was a vegan. So anyway, so more seriously, I had to say it. If you're Impatient all the time. You first address it from a biology perspective. It's probably what you're eating or how you're sleeping. So you eat less toxins. You learn what nourishes you. You take away the things that make you weak.
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Dave Asprey
What if it's from childhood?
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Lauren Everts
If it's been there since childhood, then you go back and in heavily meditated. I am giving away the core of what I do for entrepreneurs for $16,000 at 40 years of Zen. It's called the reset process. And this is a process where you go in and it is around, believe it or not, forgiveness. But forgiveness isn't what people think it is. It's an altered state that we're capable of going into. So you're acting impatient and anxious. It's not that you chose to do that. It's that your body is showing that to you. So you make sure you're well nourished and you're well rested. If it's still there, then, okay, what is the first time you felt that way? And if you ask someone who's relaxed that they'll suddenly. Oh, my gosh. I thought it was because my boss was yelling at me, but I just remembered that my father used to yell at me or my mother or this teacher was me. It'll just drop into your head for no reason. And most of the time when that happens, we're trained to just ignore those thoughts. But instead, I'm going to ask you to catch it. And then you run through this reset process where you kind of go back in time. It's a very specific meditation format. And I do this with executives with electrodes on their head to show them how to enter these states more quickly. But you can do it without it. And once you identify. Oh, it's the first time I remember feeling that way. You re experience the feeling. You can replay any feeling you've ever had, good or bad, just. But it's not the thought of it, it's the sensations in the body. And it's uncomfortable. You find something beneficial that happened. So even if you were bullied, what's one good thing that came out of that? It doesn't have to be big. It could be, well, maybe it made me tough, even though it was painful. So there. Now you have a benefit. And once you start feeling icky, but then you flip into curiosity and you find gratitude. Gratitude is a spark, and that can light a fire. That becomes forgiveness. And then you sit down in this structured process that's in full detail in the book, and you sit the other person across from you, usually your eyes are closed. Good music. There's a special soundtrack that works better for this because I don't have electrodes on your head. And then you look at it from the other person's perspective and, like, what had to happen to that person for them to do that? Like, what was their childhood? Like, what did their parents do to them? And you just realize it wasn't about you and that they're a flawed human being, but most people are. And you can actually shift into a state of first empathy and then compassion where you actually wish the other person well. And since you just re experienced this icky feeling and then gratitude through the switch, and then you experience forgiveness and compassion, that state, when you do it right, cancels out the negative stuff permanently, and you will never be triggered by that again.
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Dave Asprey
It's so funny you say this because that what you just described is what I've done with my parents. Oh, so, like, I do. I do that with my parents. I think of them as little. I think of their childhood. And it makes you feel so. So compassionate and empathetic that there's an. And I had great parents. But there's nothing. Like, if you feel angry at your parents, there's nothing to be angry at. When you can, like you said, forgive them.
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Michael Bostick
And then you can do it also with your husband.
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Dave Asprey
My husband.
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Lauren Everts
That one's tough.
- [40:36]
Dave Asprey
My husband, I don't know. I want to strap some electrodes on that brain and see what's in there.
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Michael Bostick
I have probably as you were talking, there's, like, probably a lot of similarity. Like, I was. I forget what you called it when, like, I was very combative when I was being told what to do. I was basically in trouble all the time as a kid, and then I was small as a kid. So there was. I was. I was always fine. But, like, there was a period of bullying. And I think, like, in my reaction to that was fights and lashing out and trouble. So, like, there's a lot of.
- [41:08]
Dave Asprey
I also think that. That he. He was putting out because we. We've known each other since we were 12.
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Lauren Everts
Oh, wow, that's so cool.
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Dave Asprey
Put outside all the time. So, like, I would be in the class learning, and he would be outside. And then not only was he put outside, he was. Couldn't go on school trips. And then every Saturday, he was in Saturday school all day. So he spent. It's weird you, like, spent so much time alone with your thoughts in a sort of meditation because you were constantly chastised out of the class?
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Michael Bostick
Yeah, I mean, like, as you were talking, I was. I was just thinking about, like, a lot of that and, and there's. There's probably some work that needs to be done, but also, like, I'm empathetic to a lot of the people that were put. Especially then, like, I was talking to this. Our kids are getting ready to go to school.
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Dave Asprey
Oh, wow.
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Michael Bostick
And I was talking to this assistant principal, like, oh, I spent a lot of time with you when I was a kid. But she's like, oh, yeah, we don't do that kind of stuff anymore. They don't do it anymore because they've. I think they've learned that, like, it's not productive. And, and at the time, like, I look back, I'm like, okay, well, like, these teachers were probably at their wits end. And listen, like, this is not the most traumatic thing.
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Lauren Everts
Don't underestimate that. Like, if you're six years old and a teacher is shaming you and kicking you out, which is ostracism as an adult, that's not the. At the time, it fucking sucked. And it left a mark. And that mark is there until you do the work.
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Dave Asprey
It was all the time, too.
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Lauren Everts
I never had the same thing.
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Michael Bostick
The first time I was suspended, I was in first grade. I gave Ms. Golden the middle finger in keyboard class.
- [42:35]
Dave Asprey
Who did you moon? The principal.
- [42:37]
Michael Bostick
And I'm sorry, You're my hero.
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Lauren Everts
I like, all right.
- [42:40]
Dave Asprey
You also tried to finger bang me through my overalls and sex ed.
- [42:43]
Michael Bostick
Okay, well, we were in sex ed.
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Lauren Everts
It's hands on training.
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Michael Bostick
But I meant. But, but you're right. Now when I think back on it, like, I was probably six to. How old are you in first grade? Six to seven years old. So, yeah, sent home, had to deal with dad. Different time, you know, different kind of punishment. You can't do that stuff anymore. And then, like, you got to. Yeah, you know, you got to go back and do that. But then, like, that was like a repetitive cycle and anyways, I just. I think it's interesting as you're talking because as I've gotten older and I never really thought about it, but I think about it a lot now just because it was so many years that I'm like, oh, it probably wasn't the healthiest thing if you were at 40 years.
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Lauren Everts
As in, we'd sit down and you'd actually run the reset process against the teachers. But you don't. You don't do it against all teachers. You do it against. This one time, this one teacher did this one thing. And I had something from first grade that. It sounds crazy, and I write about it in heavily meditated, but I'd forgotten entirely what this thing was. And then I went on the Joe Rogan show. In fact, I was on three times, and it was always, like, sharing good knowledge. And then all of a sudden, after I was on, he comes on and goes, dave Asprey's a liar. And that was exactly the day that a company that he has an ownership stake in decided that they were going to launch a competing product. So he spent, like, 18 months sending armies of trolls to my social and just savaging my reputation.
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Michael Bostick
Wow.
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Dave Asprey
Rogan.
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Michael Bostick
Yeah. When was this?
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Lauren Everts
What.
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Michael Bostick
What year? What year was this?
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Lauren Everts
2014. 2015.
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Michael Bostick
And what was the thing that they. That he.
- [44:21]
Lauren Everts
Well, they hired a fact checker from my first interview and said Dave lied. And they went through, like, everything I said. And I had remembered that my tuition went up 1,500% 20 years ago. It only went up 900%. That was my lie. So it was a calculated, let's destroy a competitive thing. And I accept that now, but at the time, totally rocked my world. I'm like, oh, my God, what's going on? My company was already successful before I went on a show. And I've run the reset process I've done for gims. I have no issues with Joe. In fact, the way you handle the pandemic, amazing though this was, it felt really, really bad. And one of my employees, whose job was to drive generals in Iraq through minefields was like, dave, it's just a guy, like, you need to chill. Like, why is this bothering you so much? So I sat down to do the reset process on this. I hooked on the electrodes, and this memory just popped into my head that I had totally forgotten. In first grade, I tattled on another kid for doing something he shouldn't have done. And the teacher asked me, little Johnny, did you do that? He goes, I didn't do it. Dave did it. And I got sent to the principal's office. And it turns out that trauma is one of the major entrepreneurial traumas out there. It's injustice. I did the right thing and I got punished. And if you want to enrage a first grader, punish them for something they didn't do. It feels like the end of the world. So I have these end of the world feelings. I have no idea they're connected to some childhood trauma. And the second I recognized it and I ran the reset process, reality appeared to me. The reality is, every Time. Joe Rogan says, Dave Asprey is a bad man. I sell more coffee. It doesn't matter what he says. After 18 months, I think he figured that out and stopped talking about it and deleted the episodes when he went to Spotify. But don't worry, have them backed up. And it's like, that's reality. But I couldn't see reality because of my own stupid first grade trauma. It doesn't have to be a big thing. That's what I'm saying. And so this process of becoming untriggerable is the most important thing you can do if you want to have a high performance brain. Stop wasting all this electrical energy on emotional responses to things that aren't threats anymore.
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Dave Asprey
That is so true what you just said. Stop wasting energy on being reactive.
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Michael Bostick
Yeah, yeah. We talk about it on this show and like, we use, like, I'll use the phrasing like, and maybe like, it's through doing a lot of these works and having a lot of the conversations. Like, when I think about when people. Because it's a question that people write all the time, like, how do you avoid being triggered? And I, like, my response to at this point is like, I just don't see the advantage in it. Like, it only, it's only harming me.
- [47:01]
Dave Asprey
When I'm gonna play this clip in the morning when I'm running behind and you get triggered by it.
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Michael Bostick
You gotta be.
- [47:07]
Dave Asprey
This is.
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Michael Bostick
So hire a fact checker. Hire a fact checker.
- [47:12]
Dave Asprey
This is so amazing. Okay, yeah, moving along.
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Lauren Everts
Let's talk about triggering for a second though.
- [47:18]
Dave Asprey
Yeah, please.
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Lauren Everts
If you can be triggered, it means you're carrying a loaded gun. I mean, that's what the word means, right? We are in Texas, so I guess it's okay.
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Michael Bostick
I got one right here.
- [47:29]
Lauren Everts
But I mean, a lot of people, like, they don't want to be doing that. But if you can be triggered, you can be controlled, you can be programmed, and you are not free. It's that straightforward. You know, Like, I, I love to tease vegans because I was such a devout vegan. I'm like, guys, if that dysregulates you, you have some work to do. And it's probably gonna involve butter. I'm just saying. But whatever it is, no one on earth should be able to take you out of your chosen state. And the more triggered you are, the more of your life you're wasting. So what most of us do, especially highly successful people, you're sitting in a board meeting. You're sitting in a meeting. An employee does Something they shouldn't have done. And you act calm, but you're not calm inside. And that's called lacking congruence. And this is like why I wrote the book, because congruence is when your inner state matches your outer state. Well, if your inner state is pissed off. But you're saying I wasn't triggered because I behaved and I played the game and I smiled, even though everyone knows I'm pissed off, that doesn't count. To really do it, you've got to turn off the trigger at the source so it never happens again.
- [48:39]
Dave Asprey
So how do you maintain a chosen state? And what is your chosen state?
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Lauren Everts
My chosen state is peaceful and powerful. Love it and loving and kind. The kindness thing, it's actually built into our biology to be kind to other humans especially, and to be kind to other animals. And it happens automatically, but it won't happen if you're afraid. It won't happen if you're malnourished, and it won't happen if you have no love in your life, right? And so you can be in those states, but it's about how you allocate the energy you have. And it's about having enough energy to allocate. So you reduce, as you do your work, you reduce the amount of energy you waste on fear and then you shift it into, huh, if I could turn fear into peace, can I turn hunger into nourishment? You learn how to eat so you're not hungry for four hours after you eat. And you stop spending one third of your thoughts every day about food, which is what most people, people do. And then, huh, maybe I can turn porn and empty sex into a sacred form of nourishment and entering altered healing states, which is what sex can be. And there's a chapter in the book on that as well. And oh, I have so much energy left over. Maybe I can serve my community. And there's even some leftover after that because now my community supports me. And maybe I can do the deep work. And in the framework I use in the book, it's always in order. That's how your body processes reality. It's fear, food, the other F word. Fertility, maybe, but fear, food, fucking, and then friend, and then forgive. And it's like every single input to your nervous system, the words I'm saying, the lights in them, all of it runs automatically before you can think through a filter. Is it scary? Can I eat it? Can I hump it? Is it a friend? And if not, then what am I going to do? Whatever you choose or you're going to do forgiveness if it hit a trigger in any of those.
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Dave Asprey
How do you run your own personal meditation situation? And how are you running through these five things in your meditation?
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Lauren Everts
Meditation primarily focuses on fear for the vast majority of them, or some of them focus on body awareness so you can develop more intuition, more intuitive powers. So you pick a goal for your meditation. And the main reason or the main thought behind heavily meditated is that there are so many ancient practices and there are so many psychedelics, although that's only one chapter in the book. So many other things you can do, including technologies that allow you to enter these sacred altered states. And high performance is an altered state. Healing is an altered state. Focus is an altered state. And how do I meditate on those? Well, if I find something that's a trigger, I don't have a lot of them left. But if something does trigger me, it's most likely because I did something that lowered the amount of energy I had. So my self regulation wasn't where I wanted it to be. If you don't sleep for two days, you're going to be cranky. And that's true of monks too. You do your best, so that's the most likely cause. But if it's something that's actually a trigger, then I'm going to sit down, I'm going to do the reset process. In my case, I'm going to slap electrodes on. So when I do altered states work now I've done shamanic training, I've done energy work, I do all kinds of stuff like that. So I'm much more likely to go into like a deeper bodily awareness or connecting energetically to other things and doing work outside of myself.
- [52:09]
Dave Asprey
That's what I think I'm so attracted to with Dr. Joe Dispenza is when I do his meditation, I feel like, and I don't know if I'm sure it's designed to do this, but like I'm just meditating on the future and abundance and what I want it to look like and designing my own life. And it feels powerful when I get out of it.
- [52:29]
Lauren Everts
Joe Dispenza's work is so beautiful and I'm so honored to have gotten to know him. And he's speaking this year at my conference in Austin, April 28th biokinconference.com Plug but his work is profound because some of it is around forgiveness and around resetting triggers, but a lot of it's around manifestation. And a meditation for manifestation or for making things happen is a Very different altered state. And if you look at the history of meditation, you look at the research, there is something called yogic siddhis. This is S I D H I. And they sat down over the course of a couple thousand years and said, well, here's the superpowers. Humans are capable of. Not very many, but these happen often enough that we've noticed patterns, things like the ability to heal another person, the ability to read someone's mind, telekinesis, and like, this list of things. And they're saying, well, these are powers that often emerge in people when they're working on becoming fully enlightened. And like, whoa. So all those sound like complete nonsense to a computer science guy like me. Except if you look at books like Dean Radin's book Becoming Supernormal, there's huge evidence that people who meditate regularly or do the other techniques that are like meditation in the book, they sometimes have abilities. For instance, people who meditate, if you ask them to guess, you know, what color is the card, they will answer, much more likely than statistics say they.
- [54:00]
Dave Asprey
Should see, Michael, it's real. I also, I told Michael when I became pregnant again. And meditating together, I swear to God that you feel more intuitive when you're pregnant. And then you add meditation to it, and it's like crazy.
- [54:14]
Lauren Everts
Pregnant women are super intuitive, Michael.
- [54:17]
Michael Bostick
I'm telling you, I never doubted it.
- [54:18]
Dave Asprey
I keep telling him this. Can I ask you something? This is like a selfish question. What time of day are you meditating regularly and how long?
- [54:28]
Lauren Everts
I didn't say I meditate regularly.
- [54:30]
Dave Asprey
Oh, well, I would think you do. What do you mean?
- [54:34]
Lauren Everts
I just like to get shit done.
- [54:35]
Dave Asprey
Okay, so what do you. So what? What's your protocol?
- [54:37]
Lauren Everts
Well, if I can spend five days with electrodes glued to my head, that's the same as meditating for 20 years.
- [54:43]
Dave Asprey
There's biohacking, meditation, of course. I love it.
- [54:45]
Lauren Everts
How many. How many hours a day do you want to meditate to get all the results?
- [54:49]
Dave Asprey
I personally like to meditate 30 minutes a day.
- [54:51]
Lauren Everts
Okay. If you got the same results in one minute a day, would it be better?
- [54:56]
Dave Asprey
Yeah. But I do gotta say it's nice to have 30 minutes to myself.
- [54:59]
Lauren Everts
Cool. So what if you had 29 minutes of time to yourself to do whatever you wanted, and one minute of meditation got you there.
- [55:05]
Dave Asprey
Okay, I know. I'm listening.
- [55:08]
Lauren Everts
So I'm just saying that.
- [55:09]
Dave Asprey
So are you literally meditating for one minute?
- [55:12]
Lauren Everts
Don't have to. I'm meditating right now. Like, when you have control of your State. So I'm monitoring my energetic state right now and I'm in the state that I choose. And after you've done enough of this. And again, six months of my life with the computer hooked up to my head playing with this, learning how to do it. You can choose your state, right? And I can drop into different things like that. And someone who's an ascended master or some kind of thing, they probably do all kinds of stuff I can't do. But if I want to really drop in, it takes me 30 seconds to go into a deep state. That would have taken me three hours when I started on this path.
- [55:46]
Dave Asprey
That makes more sense. I'll go deeper the longer I go. So you're saying you can get to that deeper state quicker.
- [55:52]
Lauren Everts
You get there very, very quickly. And I've done Joe Dispenza's seven day workshops and oh my God, that's mind blowing stuff. And I do breath work on occasion and all that stuff. But it's almost more recreational at this point because those states are available to all of us. And number one, you need to feel them and then you need to understand. You can replay any state you've been in. You just have to remember what it felt like in your body. And most of us are so in our head, including me as a guy with Asperger's, I didn't know anything below the neck mattered when I started this. But once you learn how to be in your body versus in your head, you just realize you're plugged in in ways that you didn't think. And then you can shift your state quickly.
- [56:33]
Michael Bostick
This audience is going to kill us if we don't talk to you about longevity. Everyone's aware of seed oils and sleep and all these things. From your perspective, what do you think people are doing to cause, to cause issues with longevity? What are the big buckets you look to to say? Like these are the things that if you could wave a wand and solve for most people, it would solve the majority of their issues.
- [56:53]
Lauren Everts
One of the biggest causes of rapid aging right now is toxins. So it's not just reducing food toxins. These are natural toxins and man made toxins. It's the air you breathe, the water you drink and the light that enters your eyes. Those are sources of major toxins in your body.
- [57:10]
Dave Asprey
Talk about the light. Talk about the light.
- [57:12]
Michael Bostick
Do I need to be doing the show with the glasses? I know you have the glasses. I, I wear the red light glasses at night, but this is. These are.
- [57:18]
Dave Asprey
Michael turns on artificial lights too. Bright. Me and my daughter go, stop. We have blue eyes. Can you explain to him that. I can't. I can't wait. Please go off on the light.
- [57:29]
Michael Bostick
I know the lights.
- [57:30]
Dave Asprey
This is my dream. No, it hurts my eyes.
- [57:32]
Michael Bostick
I got rid of.
- [57:33]
Dave Asprey
This Hurts my eyes.
- [57:34]
Michael Bostick
I got rid of the light. And then you saw the results on camera and you lost your childhood thing.
- [57:40]
Dave Asprey
Where he comes in the room and, like, turns on light, like the DMV light. And I'm like, stop.
- [57:46]
Lauren Everts
It is so bad for you to do that after the sun goes down.
- [57:48]
Michael Bostick
No, not after the sun goes down.
- [57:49]
Dave Asprey
Not after the sun goes down. I'll give him that. It's in the morning.
- [57:52]
Lauren Everts
So in the morning, you do want more light, but you don't want the kind of light that is in your house because it's LED light, which is just bad for you. Thank you. So now check this out. Try these on. This is true dark. These only block toxic blue. Feels when you do this.
- [58:07]
Dave Asprey
I hate to say it again, but I'm right. Yeah, it's so much better. I'm like. And I don't know if it's because we have blue eyes.
- [58:14]
Michael Bostick
You know what you could do? Carson, do you have a bag back there with the bag on her head?
- [58:17]
Dave Asprey
I need to wear these ones.
- [58:18]
Michael Bostick
Block her out in a muzzle.
- [58:21]
Lauren Everts
Do you feel your brain relax?
- [58:22]
Dave Asprey
It's immediate. And you know how I know that this is true? Someone came and turned all the power off in my house during the day, and I immediately felt the drop. And I keep telling him, in the morning, he turns every light on in the house.
- [58:37]
Michael Bostick
Well, I don't like to. In the morning, I get up before the sun comes, and then I go.
- [58:40]
Dave Asprey
Around dimming and, like, setting tones and ambiance. I can't.
- [58:44]
Michael Bostick
Okay, so you don't wear these lights in the morning. This is a question people will probably ask you. We've also heard that in the morning you want to get light. And if there is no natural sunlight, what do you do? Pipe down over there. What do you do if you need to, you know, in the morning, if you're up before the sun and you want to hit your circadian rhythm the right way, what do you do?
- [59:01]
Dave Asprey
My dream.
- [59:01]
Lauren Everts
I can explain that. And first, though, I just want to say these are not blue blocking glasses. Oh, right. Blue blocking glasses are bad for you because they block all blue light. And you need blue light to wake up during the day. And at night, blocking blue light doesn't work because you have to block other colors, too. These only block Toxic blue light, which is underneath 490 nanometers.
- [59:22]
Dave Asprey
What's the brand?
- [59:23]
Lauren Everts
It's called TrueDark.
- [59:24]
Michael Bostick
This is your brand, right?
- [59:25]
Lauren Everts
This is my brand. I started this 10 years ago as the first circadian glasses company. And the glasses you wear in the evening, they're not just red, it's four layers of filters. It looks kind of reddish. I don't get jet lag anywhere on the planet with those. I also was someone. My Natural bedtime is 2am it has been that for my entire life, since I was 10 years old.
- [59:43]
Michael Bostick
Still.
- [59:44]
Lauren Everts
No, I fixed it. So I wore the TrueDark glasses every night religiously, as soon as the sun went down for about three or four months. And suddenly I started to go to bed at 10 because the brightness and color of light is the number one signal to your body for what time of day it is. So you'll go to bed earlier, but you'll get better sleep in less time. So it's a huge difference. So you go to my house, people think it's a submarine or something because I have red lights at night.
- [60:13]
Dave Asprey
He's on board for that. I gotta give him credit. It's all red light. He has a red book light.
- [60:18]
Lauren Everts
Perfect.
- [60:19]
Dave Asprey
He has the hatch.
- [60:20]
Michael Bostick
No, no, you'll be happy with this.
- [60:22]
Dave Asprey
Everything's fine.
- [60:23]
Michael Bostick
So do you like the eight sleeper or no?
- [60:24]
Lauren Everts
Yeah, he sleeps great.
- [60:25]
Michael Bostick
So I use that. And then I have a. I wear the whoop sometimes. I mean, I like dual measure.
- [60:29]
Lauren Everts
So you cool your bed off at night. Great. It's really good for sleep.
- [60:32]
Michael Bostick
But no matter what, every night. And I can show you the scores. I'm in bed and asleep by 10 and every morning up and he wears the glasses.
- [60:38]
Dave Asprey
But I think we need your double triple.
- [60:41]
Michael Bostick
I get like 2 1/2 to 3 hours of REM sleep a night and about an hour and 40 minutes of decent.
- [60:45]
Lauren Everts
Dude, you're killing it. Really good.
- [60:48]
Michael Bostick
Crushing it.
- [60:48]
Lauren Everts
Yeah. Okay, we'll give him a start in the morning.
- [60:51]
Dave Asprey
In the morning. Let's talk about that.
- [60:52]
Lauren Everts
Well, if you turn bright lights on in the morning before the sun comes up, you're going to make yourself move your sleep window up even further. So you want to go to bed earlier and earlier. So maybe if the sun isn't up yet and you don't want to become even more of a morning person, turn the red lights on in the morning too. So 2 billion years ago, when we were little mitochondria floating in the ocean, sunrise, red light, middle of the day, super bright blue light coming down and Then end of the day, red light, sunset. So these are signals to wake up and go to bed. So that would be the right thing to do. And then when the sun's up, you turn the lights on. But look at the type of light in your home. You can get incandescent bulbs, you can get natural spectrum incandescent bulbs, and those will change your life. And if you do like the lights in here, these are what, about 5200k or something close. They're actually at 5600. Okay. They're 5600k, I guess. 5200. You could put these at 3000k and adjust your cameras and then their eyes wouldn't be so tired. You're giving me a lot of work though.
- [61:54]
Dave Asprey
Carson. Can you do that? Because I get.
- [61:56]
Michael Bostick
Carson, we're getting blasted over here, man.
- [61:58]
Lauren Everts
My studio, my lights are at 2700k and it looks just fine because I changed the spectrum. And for people listening, what do you mean K? A low number, like 2700k. That's more like a natural, like morning light. And it's got more yellow in it. It's 2,700k or 3,000k. This is the warm natural light that makes us feel good. It's better to have incandescent bulbs because they come with infrared and other tones and they don't blink.
- [62:24]
Michael Bostick
Get his lighting set up. Carson, get the lighting.
- [62:25]
Dave Asprey
Seth, in the morning, though, before we get these bulbs, which I'm ordering right now. What should he be dimming the lights or should he, like, what should we do with the lights?
- [62:35]
Michael Bostick
Well, wait for the sun.
- [62:36]
Lauren Everts
I would wait for the sun. And then you can turn the lights up and get lights that don't piss your eyes off.
- [62:40]
Dave Asprey
Okay.
- [62:41]
Michael Bostick
Okay.
- [62:41]
Lauren Everts
That would be the easiest thing to do.
- [62:43]
Michael Bostick
So toxins, what else are like the big for longevity?
- [62:47]
Lauren Everts
Yeah, you already talked about sleep quality. You talked about toxins. The other one. Is getting enough animal protein controversial these.
- [62:54]
Michael Bostick
Days, even though it's getting more.
- [62:55]
Lauren Everts
How can it be controversial?
- [62:56]
Michael Bostick
I mean, I don't have. That's all I've always had.
- [62:58]
Lauren Everts
Yeah, people are not good at math or reading science or something. So one gram of animal protein per pound of body weight. If you do that, it has the same effect on GLP1 as taking Ozempic. And if you want to do plant based proteins where you're going to do a lot of industrial processing, you're still going to have a lot of toxic metals and other things that aren't that good for you. But the very best plant based proteins are not nearly as available as animal proteins. So you're going to need something like 2 grams per pound of body weight of plant based protein. Which means your only existence is drinking nasty tasting sludge all day long to just force it in. It's a bad idea. So I would say count the animal protein, eggs, dairy, meat. This is where the protein that has the most nutrients, where that comes into the body. If you were to do that for two months and just look at the changes in body composition. Like as an example. My girlfriend is a relationship coach. She runs a company called We Deepen. And when I met her, she had not had red meat in 25 years. And I'm like, look, I'm a chef, I'll cook whatever you want. But she would never tell me what she wanted. I'm like, do you want mushrooms? I don't know what vegan kind of stuff is. I've been a vegan, but I don't know what you like. And finally she said, okay, fine, I'll just eat some steak. I'm like, seriously, okay. In six weeks she gained six pounds of muscle and lost six pounds of fat.
- [64:22]
Dave Asprey
Exactly what happened to me from protein. I gained 60 pounds with my two babies. And what got it off was animal protein, milk, eggs and lifting weights.
- [64:33]
Lauren Everts
That's all it takes. You don't have to lift that often either for it to work. Like, it's crazy.
- [64:38]
Dave Asprey
It is crazy. What's a certain brand or place that you get your meat from?
- [64:43]
Lauren Everts
Anything that's grass fed. Grass finished is good.
- [64:46]
Dave Asprey
Okay.
- [64:46]
Lauren Everts
If you're here in Austin, I probably don't want to give it away because everyone will go buy it, but I will go to Holy cow W H O L L Y. This is like the biggest dive burger joint you'd. You'd ever imagine. Like the ambiance is like run down 7 11, but single estate grass fed beef from the guy's uncle's ranch. And they have a freezer full of beef there. And if that doesn't work or I don't want to get it from the freezer, you can order grass fed meat on instacart. Right?
- [65:16]
Michael Bostick
We like the guys at Force of Nature too.
- [65:17]
Lauren Everts
Oh, Force of Nature is great. Yeah, that's really good stuff. And then for people who are on a budget, lamb is almost always grass fed. And you can buy lamb chunks. You can also buy hamburger and you can buy a quarter or half a cow. And it can come down to $6 or $8 a pound as long as you have a $200 Costco. Freezer.
- [65:39]
Michael Bostick
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- [70:24]
Dave Asprey
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- [72:12]
Michael Bostick
Can we also talk about genetics and the role they play in diet? I've been on my high horse, intuitively. Just saying. So I have a weird genetic background. My mother is right down the middle. Middle half Italian and half Japanese.
- [72:24]
Lauren Everts
Oh, wow.
- [72:24]
Michael Bostick
And then my father's like, Scottish, Irish, bunch of stuff. But I grew up with my grandmother, my Japanese grandmother in the house a lot. And there's things that I feel that I can get away with eating that maybe are, you know, like a lot of fish and a lot of, like, make me feel really good. And then certain things that, you know, that I can stay away from. But I. I go back, like, whenever I'm wondering because I'm not a nutritionist, and I've always struggled figuring out what to eat. But I just go back to intuitively, like, what our ancestors evolved with is kind of what I lean into for food. And I wonder, like, if you could talk a little bit more about genetics, because I know you, you've talked about in the past.
- [72:57]
Lauren Everts
Genetics make a big difference. And if you can figure out what your great grandparents would have eaten, that's great. Was it rice or was it wheat for you?
- [73:08]
Michael Bostick
Mostly rice.
- [73:09]
Lauren Everts
Well, depends on which side of the family. You said you're half Italian.
- [73:11]
Michael Bostick
Yeah, that's true.
- [73:12]
Dave Asprey
Ah, that's interesting.
- [73:13]
Michael Bostick
I ate a lot of rice, though.
- [73:14]
Lauren Everts
Are you like, focaccia or are you like, you know, sushi? Right.
- [73:19]
Michael Bostick
I feel like I can handle both of it.
- [73:20]
Lauren Everts
You probably can, but what you do is, well, don't eat any of that stuff and eat it. Doesn't have to be straight carnivore, but I've recommended for 14 years now go for two weeks, eat a very simple diet that's free of most plant toxins. White rice is the lowest toxin grain you can get. If you were to do that, say, God, what's changed? And, oh, look, my skin changed, my joints changed. I'm not farting death anymore. Like, all the different stuff that happens. Oh, yeah, you might need to do that. So once, once you make those changes, like, oh, let's add it back in, and Then you have rice or you have bread, and you see what did it do the next day? Like, was there dark circles under my eyes? And if you want to do it really well, you get a continuous glucose monitor. They're very available, like levels. Makes one. It's levels link. Dave. I think they'll give you a couple. Couple bucks off or something, or they'll do something. I've worked with a company as an advisor, and it's a little puck you put on your arm for two weeks, and every time you eat, it tells you what your blood sugar did. So one of those two is better for you. But no matter what your background, eating carbs by themselves is dumb. You should always put protein and fat with them. You can have some veggies if it makes you happy, but they're not the most important part of the meal by a long shot.
- [74:37]
Dave Asprey
So eat the carbs, but just have a protein and have a fat with it.
- [74:41]
Michael Bostick
But figure out also the process of elimination, which one is working better for you or not.
- [74:45]
Lauren Everts
And it's very likely in the US that no one should ever eat wheat again until we fix our farming practice. Because when you buy American wheat, it's already an aggressive species called hard wheat, which has a lot more gluten and a lot more natural toxins. And the common practice is they spray glyphosate on it at the very end of the crop to make it ripen faster, which means you're getting a huge dose of glyphosate that directly messes up your gut. I do not eat any wheat in the US because if I get a tablespoon of it or just a little bit in a dish, it wrecks my gut and my brain doesn't feel right. I can go to Europe. I can eat croissants, I can eat bread, right? In fact, lately people who know me as, like, don't eat gluten because it's not really good for you. I've been ordering flour, white flour from France that doesn't have glyphosate in it. And I ferment the crap out of it to make sourdough. And I can eat that. I take some enzymes to digest whatever gluten's left over after the fermentation.
- [75:44]
Michael Bostick
And it's okay if you're going to drink alcohol. I don't know if you do or not, if you are going to or if people are going to think about drinking alcohol. What are some things that you would do to guard yourself against the effects of the alcohol?
- [75:54]
Lauren Everts
Alcohol is funny. I do drink alcohol. I just like it to be older than I am, which means it's too expensive to really drink more than like once a year. So if I'm having sushi, which I love, maybe once you're have some sake or something. But it's just not a part of my life. And I published an alcohol infographic on the blog that says the alcohols that are least likely to cause problems are distilled. And the ones that cause the most problems are wine and beer because they're not filtered. So you're relying on your liver and kidneys to do it. If you have a glass of wine, it's going to ruin your sleep more than a shot of vodka or tequila. But neither one's good for you. And alcohol ages the body very specifically because the first step of breaking it down creates something called an aldehyde that goes through the body and browns your tissues. It cross links proteins in a really nasty way. So what would you do about that? You can take the world's first genetically engineered probiotic. It's a little shot called zbiotic. And you take a little drink of that thing, and for the next 24 hours, your gut bacteria won't make that toxic byproduct when you drink. And then you take glutathione to protect the liver from getting depleted by alcohol and glutathione levels. And if you do that and you take electrolytes and you have some fat with the alcohol, you'll probably be fine.
- [77:08]
Michael Bostick
Okay, so you personally, it's a very rare occasion, but if someone's going to do it, they follow that protocol. That's going to help them the most.
- [77:13]
Lauren Everts
It's basically glutathione, zebiotic, maybe activated charcoal. If you're going to drink beer and wine and you'll be better off the next day, but it's still not good for you.
- [77:23]
Dave Asprey
What about EMFs?
- [77:24]
Lauren Everts
EMFs are. There's thousands of studies that show that they're not good for you. And people say, but there's no way. It's not like they're enough to heat up your tissues, so it doesn't matter. Well, there's a part of the cell membrane called a voltage gated calcium channel. And emfs make voltage on cells, which opens up the cells, so calcium goes in, which causes cell swelling, which causes mitochondrial death. And it disrupts things. I use pulsed electromagnetic frequencies. Here in town at Upgrade Labs, we have one of my longevity.
- [77:55]
Dave Asprey
Wait, what is that? Pulse seal. What?
- [77:57]
Lauren Everts
Pulsed electromagnetic frequencies. It's a giant machine that makes These waves in a way that benefits people. And you get these people go, magnets don't affect humans. I'm like, come to upgrade labs. Let me sit you on this machine. I'll turn it all the way up, and it causes your muscles to fire like this. And like, ah, let me off. We don't turn it up that much unless people think magnets don't affect them. So magnets cause electrical currents on your cells. That's how it works. The body is electric and magnetic, and it uses light and it uses vibration and uses chemicals. All of them.
- [78:26]
Dave Asprey
So how do you protect yourself from emf?
- [78:29]
Lauren Everts
Well, the first thing you do is you take a deep breath and you realize that we're all still here, and we have more EMFs than ever before. Okay, so you don't need to be afraid of EMFs, but recognize that minimizing exposure is a good idea. So my phone is sitting behind me, not in my pocket, and it's on airplane mode.
- [78:45]
Dave Asprey
Why not in your pocket?
- [78:46]
Lauren Everts
Well, if you put your phone in your pocket near your testes, it will reduce testosterone levels and sperm count.
- [78:55]
Dave Asprey
Please talk about this. I see the phone in so many people's pockets.
- [78:59]
Michael Bostick
My phone's in my office in the other room.
- [79:01]
Lauren Everts
It's a good move.
- [79:01]
Dave Asprey
That's hot.
- [79:02]
Lauren Everts
If you put it so good. If you put it near your ovaries, same thing. It's a thing. There's women who have breast cancer in the shape of the phone they always stick in their bra.
- [79:13]
Dave Asprey
I literally was talking to someone today, a doctor, and she had her phone in her pocket, and I wanted to grab it, but I didn't. And then I also tell my. All my team, I'm like, I will buy you the safe shield. The case shield. Because they put the laptop on the lap.
- [79:31]
Lauren Everts
I bought those for all my employees years ago.
- [79:32]
Dave Asprey
Doesn't it make you nervous? I don't, but am I like, am I a tin hat? Michael says, I'm 10 hats.
- [79:38]
Lauren Everts
Not at all.
- [79:38]
Michael Bostick
No, I didn't say that. I said what you said to start the conversation, which is you have to be able to get through the day in the life without.
- [79:45]
Dave Asprey
But then he tells me the story about the breast cancer. It's the.
- [79:49]
Michael Bostick
Listen, these are.
- [79:49]
Lauren Everts
These are.
- [79:50]
Michael Bostick
These are real concerns that people should be aware of. But I was saying, like, if you are at the point where you can't go outdoors or you can't be around certain things, you can't, like, interact in life, then it's now you're causing serious stress to your body. And that's also the people who get there.
- [80:04]
Lauren Everts
The people who get there usually have toxic metals in their bodies, and they really are electromagnetic sensitive and it really makes them sick. It just takes them out and they need to detox so that they can handle it. And then you have to retrain the nervous system to feel safe when there's a little bit of that. So what do you do? Turn off your wifi when you go to sleep at night? You just have a remote control lamp thing you can buy on Amazon for 25 bucks. It's a kill switch. Turn off your WI fi, you don't need it, you're asleep.
- [80:28]
Dave Asprey
Do you buy that off Amazon?
- [80:30]
Lauren Everts
Yeah. Like 20 bucks. There's a remote control lamp switch to turn a light on or off. You can buy a clapper. Clap on. Wi fi. Clap on. It doesn't. Like. There's lots of ways to control.
- [80:37]
Dave Asprey
You don't have one of those. So you just. You just turn it off with the remote.
- [80:41]
Lauren Everts
Yeah, just plug it into the remote.
- [80:43]
Dave Asprey
Okay. And then keep your phone off your penis and your vagina. In your boobs and your butthole.
- [80:49]
Lauren Everts
Yeah, especially the butthole. No one wants a cell phone there. No. Where should you carry your phone? Well, in your purse is better. But if you don't carry a purse because you're a guy, put it in your back pocket at least. And one thing that I did years ago, I wrote a big book on fertility. So I've been aware of this for 20 years. I would always wear cargo pants and I'd always have the phone on my right, like mid thigh, because at least it's away from the juicy bits. Right. Well, I did a bone density scan, a high resolution one where the phone sits. I had 15% less bone density on that femur. It's real. So airplane mode is your friend. If your phone is in airplane mode, no one will bother you. And it's so nice. Plus, you don't have the EMFs. Or when you sit down, put it on the table. Don't leave it in your pocket. Don't sleep with a phone on in your room.
- [81:38]
Dave Asprey
Or like putting it right here. Like, even. Like you can move it.
- [81:41]
Michael Bostick
My phone is in the other room today.
- [81:44]
Lauren Everts
Wow.
- [81:45]
Dave Asprey
My phone over here, away from me.
- [81:47]
Michael Bostick
My phone's even further.
- [81:48]
Dave Asprey
So I went, why do people have ed?
- [81:52]
Lauren Everts
The number one cause of ED is insulin resistance.
- [81:55]
Dave Asprey
Huh.
- [81:56]
Michael Bostick
I have not heard that.
- [81:57]
Lauren Everts
So don't eat seed oils and don't eat a lot of carbs. Learn how to intermittent fast and exercise every now and then. And it could go away.
- [82:04]
Dave Asprey
Insulin resistance is a topic that I don't think people talk about enough. Is it correct that. And this might be incorrect, I'm no doctor that GLP1s are fixing. Not. I don't want to say fixing. They're tweaking insulin resistance. And that's why people are losing weight.
- [82:21]
Lauren Everts
It's one of the major reasons. Yeah.
- [82:23]
Dave Asprey
Okay, so how do we fix it naturally?
- [82:25]
Michael Bostick
So is that why fertility rates are going up with people that are.
- [82:28]
Dave Asprey
Infertility?
- [82:29]
Michael Bostick
Infertility, yeah.
- [82:30]
Lauren Everts
No.
- [82:30]
Michael Bostick
Fertility rates are going up.
- [82:31]
Lauren Everts
No. When people go on GLP1s, they get more fertile because it reduces insulin resistance. GLP1s at very, very low doses are potent anti aging drugs. And at higher doses, they're life saving drugs because being obese will kill you more than any side effect from Ozempic. But if you're gonna use a GLP1 drug, I published a protocol on my blog. You have to get enough protein, even though you won't want to. So you mix it in water and you slam it. And you have to do heavy stuff twice a week. If you do that, and maybe take some mineral supplements, maybe put minerals in your coffee, whatever else, but get enough minerals, get enough weightlifting, you will lose the fat and keep the muscle. If you take GLP1s and you never eat anything and you don't exercise, you will lose so much muscle that it's dangerous.
- [83:15]
Dave Asprey
You fix. Not. Not that you have ed. Your insulin's great. But I'm just saying if someone.
- [83:20]
Michael Bostick
Well, thank God I got one compliment on the show.
- [83:23]
Dave Asprey
We do. You know, he's great, he's fine. But we do have a producer, not Carson, that maybe has a little ED situation going on.
- [83:30]
Michael Bostick
He doesn't have ed. He's got a FAST situation where he can't control the time to. Okay, but that's a different situation.
- [83:36]
Dave Asprey
Insulin resistance that needs.
- [83:37]
Michael Bostick
Oh, you're the worst PR agent for men ever. He's got ed and he does not have ed.
- [83:42]
Dave Asprey
Whatever.
- [83:43]
Michael Bostick
Poor Taylor, man.
- [83:43]
Dave Asprey
He has a list.
- [83:45]
Lauren Everts
It's the opposite end of that spectrum.
- [83:46]
Michael Bostick
Yeah, he's got the reverse problem, which he just. He gets out the gate quick and then he can't. He can't. Can't finish the race. Or he finished the race too quick.
- [83:53]
Dave Asprey
I guess I'm just asking for him, how can he support his penis?
- [83:56]
Lauren Everts
Got it.
- [83:57]
Michael Bostick
So, yeah. Really? Okay, here we go.
- [84:02]
Lauren Everts
Having an adequate VO2 max is important, too.
- [84:05]
Dave Asprey
Oh.
- [84:05]
Lauren Everts
So cardiovascular fitness. And people think, oh, that's a lot of cardio. Five minutes, three times a week. Without sweating gives you six times better results than going to a spin class. That's what we do at upgrade labs here in town.
- [84:17]
Dave Asprey
For how long?
- [84:18]
Lauren Everts
Each time it's five minutes. Three times a week.
- [84:20]
Dave Asprey
Three times a week.
- [84:21]
Lauren Everts
And of that time only 40 seconds is hard.
- [84:23]
Dave Asprey
Okay.
- [84:24]
Lauren Everts
And doing that literally six times better VO2 max than doing an hour a day, five days a week.
- [84:29]
Michael Bostick
So just sprints like, or assault bike or whatever.
- [84:31]
Dave Asprey
I better see all these guys sprinting away.
- [84:34]
Lauren Everts
It's not just sprints. It turns out it's very short, very intense sprints followed by intense recovery. And it's the rate of recovery that drives it. So, I mean, high intensity interval training is easy to do for most people. It works. It just takes longer and it doesn't work as well. And going for a walk is good, too. But there are specific herbs you can do. You can take nitric oxide. There's a company called N101 that'll make a difference. And if you want to live a long time, you should microdose cialis, which is what I do.
- [85:02]
Dave Asprey
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
- [85:03]
Michael Bostick
Microdose Cialis? Why? For longevity.
- [85:05]
Dave Asprey
Yeah, why?
- [85:06]
Lauren Everts
Well, it increases.
- [85:07]
Dave Asprey
Are you just hard all the time?
- [85:09]
Lauren Everts
It's a problem.
- [85:12]
Dave Asprey
Oh, my God.
- [85:13]
Lauren Everts
I'm not hard all the time. I'm taking low doses. The reason you do it, it increases blood flow to the brain, so you're not going to get Alzheimer's. And it increases blood flow everywhere else, so you get a nice pump some veins.
- [85:24]
Michael Bostick
So speaking of Alzheimer's, did you.
- [85:26]
Lauren Everts
We still have to finish the penis.
- [85:28]
Dave Asprey
Michael, let him finish.
- [85:29]
Lauren Everts
You seem forgetful. Maybe it was Alzheimer's.
- [85:31]
Michael Bostick
Maybe. Maybe. Might be.
- [85:33]
Dave Asprey
Go ahead.
- [85:34]
Michael Bostick
I wanted to go. Well, I was.
- [85:35]
Dave Asprey
No, wait, hold on.
- [85:35]
Michael Bostick
Let him finish because I'm going to forget this. Actually, I'm going to forget this one thing.
- [85:38]
Lauren Everts
And here's the really big hack. It's called wasabi method. And I'm actually looking at opening a clinic here in town. Maybe I'll find the right partner for that. Wasabi method is a specific form of shockwave. And this is like a sonic jackhammer. And you run it over the penis, or you can do it on women, over the labia, clitoris, and other parts of the body you can get to externally, and it causes new blood vessels and it causes new nerves to grow. So you can change the length very substantially, you can change the width. And if you have ed, it'll fix ed. But if you don't have ed, you can actually become a shower, not just a grower. And you could become a bigger grower. And I have done this twice on my podcast, where I'm like, let's not name the camera there. And, I mean, I put on almost two inches.
- [86:34]
Dave Asprey
What?
- [86:35]
Lauren Everts
Yeah.
- [86:37]
Dave Asprey
And, oh, my God, I'm hearing guys rejoice everywhere. Two inches. Two inches.
- [86:41]
Michael Bostick
Carson, pull this clip. This is going to be important for our social media.
- [86:44]
Lauren Everts
It was only 10%, but, no.
- [86:49]
Dave Asprey
I can't do math. Dave, don't worry.
- [86:51]
Lauren Everts
No, for real. I didn't have any concerns there in the first place, but certain positions became not doable because it was bigger than it was before. And it took me about six months. You get out of the shower, and you kind of know what you look like when you're a guy. I'm like, that is not my cock.
- [87:09]
Dave Asprey
Oh, my God. You heard it your first. Dave Ashbury's penis grew two inches, and he didn't think it was his cock.
- [87:15]
Lauren Everts
Because it was so big, I didn't recognize it.
- [87:17]
Dave Asprey
That's the headline.
- [87:18]
Lauren Everts
I've also injected stem cells on camera. Camera. Oh, into my caulk.
- [87:23]
Dave Asprey
Does it hurt?
- [87:24]
Lauren Everts
Well, they put lidocaine on first, but it still kind of hurts. In fact, I. I showed the video at my conference one year, and all you can see is I'm holding the camera and there's like a blanket blocking the thing. And you see my toes, and you see this hand with a big needle come down, and then. And then my toes go. And then I'm like, it's gonna make it thicker and longer, right? It was the funniest clip ever. But, yeah, here's the thing. You wanna live a very long time. You should have an epic sex life. Yes, you need to have incredible sex. And sex is a gateway to altered states. It's. 20% of people report meeting God during orgasm at least once in their life. And you won't know it because they're just laying there twitching, but they're having a deep, profound, healing, spiritual experience.
- [88:02]
Dave Asprey
I have met God during orgasm. I've met him a couple times.
- [88:07]
Lauren Everts
There you go.
- [88:08]
Michael Bostick
Right?
- [88:08]
Lauren Everts
So, high five.
- [88:09]
Michael Bostick
I met someone. He's like, what are you doing with your life?
- [88:14]
Lauren Everts
So it happens for men and women and maintaining, we'll say, youthful sexual activity, even when you're 80, is entirely possible. And the other thing that's just critically important right now, we have an epidemic of low testosterone in men and women because of plastics and fragrances. You just throw that crap away in your house. Especially, like, artificial fragrance, you know, air fresheners and fabric softener and stuff like that.
- [88:37]
Dave Asprey
You don't like a Christmas tree in an Uber.
- [88:39]
Lauren Everts
Oh, dude, do Uber drivers not know they're shrinking their balls with their Christmas trees?
- [88:46]
Michael Bostick
The dark night when the joker's head's out the window. That's like Lauren when she gets in the.
- [88:49]
Lauren Everts
I'm the same way.
- [88:50]
Dave Asprey
It's so dramatic. I'm like, I'll like, leave branch basics in the car.
- [88:57]
Michael Bostick
Nice.
- [88:58]
Dave Asprey
I'm like, coat skinny.
- [89:00]
Lauren Everts
I'm always like, you know, would you be willing to put the air freshener in the glove compartment?
- [89:07]
Dave Asprey
You do not say that.
- [89:07]
Lauren Everts
I do, but I'm really honest. I'm like, it gives me migraines. Right. And if you ask nicely, like, my writer rating is really high. And, you know, and then after that.
- [89:18]
Dave Asprey
I have so many tips today.
- [89:19]
Lauren Everts
After that, I'm like, oh, and by the way, it shrinks your balls. And no, I don't say that, but I have to tsa. But that's different. Oh, just at the airport, I'm like, I don't want to go in that scanner. It shrinks your balls. How are yours doing? You stand next to a ball.
- [89:29]
Dave Asprey
Does it really?
- [89:30]
Lauren Everts
Well, actually, it's really bad for you, but I just say it because it scares them.
- [89:34]
Dave Asprey
Shrinking your balls is a good one to say. What? That's the thing that you were eating. The whole episode, you've been eating something. A Zen.
- [89:41]
Lauren Everts
It wasn't quite Zen. So it's nicotine. But it is knick knack. I use knick knack or Lucy, because they don't have any toxins. And unfortunately, the little sachets or sachets. How do you say that?
- [89:54]
Dave Asprey
Are microplastics.
- [89:55]
Lauren Everts
Yeah, they're full of microplastics. So I don't use Zen unless there's nothing else. But low dose nicotine stops Alzheimer's disease, and it's an incredibly good cognitive enhancer. And I have no issues with using a moderate amount of nicotine.
- [90:10]
Michael Bostick
What do you think of a high quality, like, high quality, high, high quality cigar? Once in a while, I know you.
- [90:15]
Lauren Everts
Smoke it, but if you're just putting it in your mouth the way you normally smoke cigars, you don't really inhale it, just kind of taste it. It's not gonna be a problem.
- [90:25]
Dave Asprey
The penis after a cigar, you never.
- [90:29]
Lauren Everts
Felt better after you smoke it or.
- [90:31]
Dave Asprey
He smokes it after he smokes a cigar. There it is a. It's a. It's a whole new world, I imagine. At cd, I taught Dave something.
- [90:41]
Lauren Everts
I got some cigars at home. I'm gonna try them.
- [90:43]
Michael Bostick
Well, I Like it for the reason.
- [90:45]
Dave Asprey
I mean, listen, testosterone or something.
- [90:47]
Michael Bostick
I'm a nicotine fan. I like and I like, you know, as I've gotten older, I don't drink barely at all anymore. And so once in a while, like, that'll be the vice. But I like the. I just like the practice of, like, sitting down, chilling out, having a little bit.
- [91:03]
Dave Asprey
He does. He, like, relaxes because he can run like. Well.
- [91:06]
Michael Bostick
Cigars also get a really bad name because they get associated with cigarettes, which you inhale cigars you don't. And then also cigarettes have so many ingredients, and in a quality cigars, like, literally, it's just the tobacco.
- [91:15]
Dave Asprey
If anything, they want to grow 2 inches real quick because they just need to try something quick. Instead of microdosing. Cialis, just get a great cigar.
- [91:23]
Michael Bostick
Okay, Quick.
- [91:24]
Lauren Everts
And go to Wasabi Method, the company. And I'm looking for people to do Wasabi Method in Austin, so.
- [91:29]
Michael Bostick
Okay, well, I'm here. So, you know, if I need a.
- [91:31]
Lauren Everts
Couple answers, I mean, practitioners, you don't have to be a doctor either.
- [91:34]
Michael Bostick
Carson, get his number immediately anyways, quickly, because I will forget this. You've talked about Alzheimer's throughout this episode, and it sounds like you've done a lot of research on how to guard yourself against this.
- [91:45]
Lauren Everts
I wrote a New York Times bestseller on it.
- [91:46]
Michael Bostick
Yeah. Did you see recently, they've been talking about how higher cholesterol can actually maybe guard against that.
- [91:54]
Lauren Everts
Cholesterol is not bad for you. That's why your liver makes it.
- [91:56]
Michael Bostick
And I want you to talk about it because, you know, like someone of my dad's generation, for example, their cholesterol has been demonized for them. And you've seen a lot of, you know, cases of Alzheimer's rising. There's my grandma suffered and then passed from it, you know, And I just think, who better to ask?
- [92:12]
Lauren Everts
I have studied cognitive function because my brain didn't work in my 20s. It just stopped working extensively. And longevity extensively. And the data shows that the people who reach 100 plus, they have higher cholesterol levels, not lower cholesterol levels. So what's dangerous is low cholesterol, especially for the brain, because the brain is so rich in cholesterol. And if you have low cholesterol, you will have low testosterone, because testosterone is made out of cholesterol. But having oxidized cholesterol, which comes from eating damaged cholesterol or from unchecked inflammation in the body, that's bad for you. And if you're worried about your cholesterol, you can get A lab test of something called, let's see, LP PLA 2. And this is an enzyme that's released when the lining of your arteries has damage. So if you're saying, oh, no, my cholesterol is 220, the way it's been in healthy people forever until they started selling drugs for cholesterol, well, then, see if the cholesterol is causing harm, and if it's not, then maybe you don't need to worry about it.
- [93:16]
Dave Asprey
Dave, you have an open invite on this show anytime. Because I can tell you, we could kick Michael off, and you and I could go at it, but you could also kick me off and you and Michael could go at it.
- [93:25]
Michael Bostick
We could talk to you for hours.
- [93:26]
Dave Asprey
I'm gonna be on Matt leave, and if he wants to come back on and just talk about.
- [93:30]
Michael Bostick
Now that you're. Now that I know that you're Michael.
- [93:32]
Lauren Everts
I can't live here. It's easy.
- [93:33]
Dave Asprey
Whatever they want to talk about, I'll.
- [93:35]
Lauren Everts
Give you my number. Here.
- [93:35]
Dave Asprey
You're fabulous on a mic. I've. I've harassed you for years, so I'm so happy that you're here.
- [93:41]
Lauren Everts
I can't believe I never saw any of your emails.
- [93:43]
Dave Asprey
You're not very good at harassing DM.
- [93:45]
Lauren Everts
Oh, DMs on Instagram?
- [93:46]
Dave Asprey
I think so.
- [93:47]
Lauren Everts
Dude, I have, like, 1.2 million followers. You come to see all those DMs? How do you do that?
- [93:51]
Michael Bostick
I see you're not great on DM either, though.
- [93:53]
Dave Asprey
I'm not. I know you're the perfect person to ask. Do you mouth tape?
- [94:00]
Lauren Everts
I've been mouth taping for, I think, seven years now. Even my teenage daughter, she tried it once, was like, dad, this is great. I don't have a dry mouth. I feel so much better. I think mouth taping is critical for longevity because of the changes in nitric oxide and blood flow in the brain. I tape my mouth every night. I travel with mouth tape. It's really important. And most of all, though, in relationships, taping your partner's mouth is so important for a healthy marriage.
- [94:30]
Michael Bostick
It's true. It's true. It's been one of my favorite things that when she started mouth taping.
- [94:34]
Dave Asprey
I don't know, Dave, he doesn't love when my mouth is taped.
- [94:37]
Lauren Everts
Oh, that's a fair point. Can you poke a hole in it?
- [94:40]
Dave Asprey
I have a tiny little slit in mine, but it doesn't fit.
- [94:43]
Michael Bostick
Well, after talking to you and going, I mean, I'm gonna go to the clinic. I'm gonna need a bigger hole now.
- [94:46]
Dave Asprey
So you're a mouth tape lover. It's Dave approved.
- [94:50]
Lauren Everts
It's not just Dave approved. You don't get cavities and your brain works better. Everything is better if you mouth tape. It's a. It's so cheap. It's something that I religiously do.
- [95:02]
Michael Bostick
We're gonna get you some bright pink lips.
- [95:04]
Dave Asprey
The mouth tape, too, is the strongest on the market.
- [95:07]
Lauren Everts
Okay.
- [95:07]
Dave Asprey
I've tried them all. This is the best of the best.
- [95:09]
Lauren Everts
I can't wait.
- [95:10]
Dave Asprey
You'll love it.
- [95:11]
Lauren Everts
I'm excited.
- [95:13]
Dave Asprey
Tell us where we can get a code for the coffee and the glasses and what the URLs are.
- [95:18]
Lauren Everts
Okay, let's just. We'll make this up on the fly. So use code skinny and go to dangercoffee.com. okay. And we'll give you a meaningful discount. I gotta ask my guys what it is. And for the glasses, these are different than blue blockers. And the sleep glasses are. There's nothing else like them. They're actually different than just red glasses. It's truedark.com. use code skinny and we'll give you a deal. These will change your sleep and during the day, you don't get tired under bright lights.
- [95:45]
Dave Asprey
Love. And then when does the book come out and where can we buy it?
- [95:49]
Lauren Everts
Heavily meditated. Comes out in May. And you can buy it anywhere books are sold.
- [95:53]
Michael Bostick
Awesome.
- [95:54]
Dave Asprey
And the coffee's Danger Coffee.
- [95:55]
Lauren Everts
Danger coffee. It's dangercoffee.com and this is really good coffee. And the minerals change how it hits, and you need the minerals desperately. Anyway, for longevity, we're gonna try it.
- [96:06]
Michael Bostick
I'm gonna order it today.
- [96:07]
Lauren Everts
Actually, I brought. I brought you some.
- [96:09]
Michael Bostick
Oh, amazing.
- [96:10]
Lauren Everts
There. Where's my backpack? I should have handed it to you at this time.
- [96:12]
Dave Asprey
Anyway, thank you so much for coming on the show. You're fabulous. Thank you.
- [96:16]
Michael Bostick
I appreciate you, man.