Dr. Terry Dubrow And Heather Dubrow Reveal What Really Works: The Truth About GLP-1s, Cosmetic Procedures, Relationship Advice, And Youthful Skin

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Episode: Dr. Terry Dubrow And Heather Dubrow Reveal What Really Works: The Truth About GLP-1s, Cosmetic Procedures, Relationship Advice, And Youthful Skin

Date: November 4, 2025 | Hosts: Lauryn Bosstick & Michael Bosstick | Guests: Dr. Terry Dubrow & Heather Dubrow

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Main Theme / Purpose

This lively, information-packed episode dives into health and human optimization with Dr. Terry Dubrow and Heather Dubrow. The conversation spans the latest medical trends (like GLP-1 drugs for weight and longevity), what genuinely works (and what doesn’t) in plastic surgery and aesthetic procedures, relationship insights after almost 30 years together, and candid behind-the-scenes perspective on reality TV and luxurious real estate deals. The Dubrows share expert advice, personal experiences, and witty banter, dismantling myths about health, wellness, youth, and partnership.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Health, Wellness, and the Dubrow Approach

• Origins of Interest

  • Heather credits being married to a doctor for kickstarting her fascination with non-surgical longevity and anti-aging strategies, especially as she navigates menopause.
  • Terry’s focus: "As the botch doctor, I'm very into teaching people...if you have plastic surgery, you can have a disaster. It's much more common than plastic surgeons will tell you." (02:32)
  • Both are committed to separating science-backed solutions from wellness industry hype.

• Dr. & Mrs. Guinea Pig Returns

  • The Dubrows are resurrecting their experimental approach, this time sharing personal tests of wellness trends on YouTube.
  • "[We're] testing things but really testing things… We are actually putting all of these things to the scientific test on ourselves." (04:43)

2. Supplement & Skincare Trends

• Creatine and Megadosing

  • Creatine is universally beneficial for fitness; debate exists around brain megadosing. "There's no science [for brain megadosing]." (05:05)

• Hyped Ingredients and What Works/Doesn’t

  • Salmon Sperm Facials: Heather advocates; Terry is skeptical, joking about the internet origins. "You just know." (05:48)
  • Threads: Terry is adamant threads "don’t work", last weeks only, and can cause complications. "They just don’t work. I think they do work in the right hands for about four weeks." (06:36)
  • Too Much Filler: Now seen as a fading trend, especially in LA. "[Too much] filler doesn't work. I've done too much filler on me and it was very embarrassing." (08:57)
  • RF Devices (e.g., Morpheus8): “They work kind of, sort of… but [effects are] way exaggerated.” (11:10)

3. The 'Forever 35 Face' & Trends in Plastic Surgery

• Discussion of the trend for surgical youthfulness and its pitfalls for both men and women (11:22–17:50).
  • "The Forever 35 thing sort of belies that concept." — Heather (13:15)
  • Heather concerns about surgery 'dating' your appearance as trends change.
  • "Once you get too weird, it’s hard to get out of weird." — Terry (15:54)
  • Advice: Wait for significant changes before opting for surgical intervention, and beware of starting too young.

4. Breast Implants and Mommy Makeovers

• The Dubrows discuss Heather’s temptation and decision against implants due to allergies and risk of complications.
  • "There's a 15 to 20% chance of a complication when you put a foreign body that’s in there for a long period of time." — Terry (21:25)
  • Encouragement to understand regional trends, body types, and true risk profiles.

5. The GLP-1 Revolution

• GLP-1 Drugs (Ozempic, Wegovy, Mounjaro): Described as "the biggest breakthrough in medicine." (24:43)
  • Not just for diabetes—benefits extend to cardiac, neurological, and anti-inflammatory applications.
  • Terry shares his board certification in Obesity Medicine for expertise.
    • "I studied for a year and took the American Board of Obesity Medicine certification. I’m board certified." (25:31)
  • Dosing: Microdosing is trending, but optimal protocol is still individual and experimental. (29:41–30:20)
  • Mythbusting: Stigma and alleged dangers (e.g. gallbladder, pancreatitis, "Ozempic face/vulva") are discussed and mostly dismissed as overblown (35:26–46:16).
  • Extensive advice to keep up protein and collagen and lift weights while on these drugs to counteract muscle/facial atrophy.
  • Use for Addiction: Emerging evidence for benefits in treating alcoholism and other addictive behaviors. (46:51)
  • Side Effects: "If you drink alcohol on these GLP-1 drugs... sicker than you've ever been in your life." — Terry (47:41)

Notable Quotes on GLP-1

• "This is the ultimate anti-aging drug." — Terry (39:26)
• "I hate that stigma. What we did was so much more dangerous than this." — Heather (37:49)
• "[Ozempic vulva] refers to this concept of decreased hydration and lubrication down there." — Terry (45:04)

6. Peptides, Placebos, and Wellness Skepticism

• The couple explores injectable peptides, points out lack of FDA regulation/data, and potential risks vs. placebos.
  • “These peptides are not FDA approved, they’re not regulated. You don’t know where they’re coming from.” — Terry (50:31)
  • Recognition of placebo benefits but caution about unknown long-term effects.

7. Liposuction & Botched Stories

• Liposuction works only for select candidates. Risks with loose skin or cellulite.
• Wildest “botched” case: caulking material injected at a party, removed with an orthopedic saw (56:12–57:30).

8. Real Estate Transformations

• The Dubrows are "accidental flippers," profiting from and reinvesting in high-end Southern California properties.
• Sold their iconic "Chateau Dubrow" for a record price, now love luxury penthouse living over home maintenance.
  • "I was the manager of that hotel." — Heather on running a 22,000 sq ft house (64:07)
  • Discussion on emotional realities, public scrutiny, and new minimalist preferences (63:24–69:48).

9. Housewives, Logic, and Relationship Realness

• Heather as "voice of reason" (78:38) and pros/cons of reality TV fame.
• The importance of diverse personalities on TV; authenticity vs. clickbait drama (81:11–83:00).
• Marriage advice after nearly 29 years (87:25–96:13):
  • Expect challenges and evolving phases.
  • Prioritize dating each other and remember: "This too shall pass."
  • Heather: “We’re best friends. We really respect each other. 29 years—good days, bad days. Good years, bad years.” (88:54)
  • Terry: “It’s all about your expectations… learn how to evolve through it… the thing that bothers me most about fighting is I know she has her process… I’m screwed for the next two weeks.” (91:12)

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Memorable Quotes & Notable Moments

• On marriage & conflict:
  • “As much as that sucked, when you come out the other side...you're so much closer... Sometimes that just needs to happen... it's how you make up and how you really then need to let it go.” — Heather (89:49)
• On reality TV drama:
  • “At the end of the day… I get to go home... it sucks and it hurts... but when you go home, you go, oh, yeah, I’m home.” — Heather (85:44)
• On GLP-1 skepticism and safety:
  • “If you look at the number of cases of Tylenol induced liver failure... versus how many cases of blindness from these GLP1s... It doesn't even compare.” — Terry (37:27)
• On real estate envy:
  • “With my friends that I know are my real friends... they're happy for me. I want everyone to be successful, you know? ...if they can do that, I can do that too.” — Heather (62:23)
• On surgical trends:
  • “Once you get too weird, it's hard to get out of weird.” — Terry (15:54)
  • “The main thing is when [skin] relaxes, it goes weird, hard to fix.” — Terry (17:50)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-------------|------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:35 | Dubrows’ journeys into health & wellness | | 04:14 | Announcement: Dr. & Mrs. Guinea Pig resurfaces | | 05:35 | What doesn’t work: threads, fillers, salmon sperm, RF | | 13:15 | “Forever 35 face” & youth trend commentary | | 21:25 | Heather recounts breast implant decision & complications | | 24:28 | GLP-1 intro; the true medical revolution | | 29:41 | Protocol details: dosing, microdosing, and personalizing | | 35:26 | Social stigma & safety rumors about GLP-1s | | 45:04 | “Ozempic vulva” phenomenon explained | | 54:29 | Doctor’s warnings about unregulated peptide use | | 56:12 | Wildest botched case: concrete face mass party | | 58:24–69:48 | Real estate: giant homes, flips, penthouse conversion | | 78:38 | Heather’s role as voice of reason on Housewives | | 84:44 | Emotional impact of TV drama; reset at home | | 87:36 | Secrets to marriage: dating, expectations, repairing rifts |

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Additional Resources

• Dubrows’ Podcast: Between Us
• YouTube Show: Dr. & Mrs. Guinea Pig (Heather Dubrow channel)
• Skincare Line: Consult Beauty

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Tone

Conversational, candid, witty, and insightful. The Dubrows share both the science and the stories, blending humor (“I do not have Ozempic vulva…My vulva is just fine.” — Heather, 45:00) with expert perspective. The hosts bring out personal anecdotes alongside actionable tips, making the episode relatable yet information-dense.

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This episode is a must-listen for anyone curious about cutting-edge health trends, cosmetic interventions, or simply looking for honest, real-life takeaways about partnership and resilience.

Transcript

[Heather Dubrow]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production.

[Michael Bostic]

She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Lauren Everts]

Fantastic.

[Michael Bostic]

And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic.

[Lauren Everts]

Are bringing you along for the ride.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Michael Bostic]

Welcome to the Skinny Confidential. Him and her.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So the pro Tip is from 4 to 7. I kind of don't need to worry. I could just make like a scrapbook, right?

[Heather Dubrow]

No, you have to be there. I'm telling you that when your kids are older and you need to remind them of everything you schlep them to in the formative to years where they remember nothing, you need evidence.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Got it.

[Heather Dubrow]

You have to show them. Look, I took you here, I did this, we did this, we did this, we went here, I took you on vacation, we did all these things.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

And also, I feel like you can also do a couple little lies. Like you could be like, I could be like, I changed the most diapers. I feel like I can, like there's little white lies sometimes that I can like narrate and manipulate.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, I can also. I'll be like, man, I really wish your mom was there when you were younger. It was just.

[Lauren Everts]

That's a good call.

[Heather Dubrow]

Damn fighting words.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So I was telling you off air that I was dying to get both of you in the studio at once because as you know, we do a Him and her podcast. And you guys are also very much him and her. And I think that I told you I'm a huge housewives fan. But there's a lot of stuff that you know, and I feel like there's a lot of education that we can benefit from in the audience.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

First, I would just ask you both how you became interested in health and human optimization to begin with.

[Heather Dubrow]

Well, I mean, I'll let Terry answer his side, which is a little more obvious than mine. But, you know, being married to a doctor, I like to say I have like a little MD Married to doctor. I mean, the kids will call me before they'll call him if something is wrong or they're sick. But, you know, for me, it's always been so far, the non surgical solution to anti aging. And as I'm getting older, going through menopause, you know, I wanna stay. Look, yes, I'm vain. I wanna stay looking good, but I also wanna be fit. You know, we had our kids a little bit later. I wanna be that grandmother with the kid on my back, you know, with a grandkid in a backpack, you know, hiking around and doing all those things. So for me, it's about vanity, it's about longevity, it's about strength, it's about all those things. And, you know, having Terri as a husband, obviously, that's a lot.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. So obviously I'm a plastic surgeon. It's sort. What's happened, as you know, in the last many years is that we've sort of made these discoveries. You know, in the same way that sort of AI is changing our world, these GLP1s are changing our health span and our understanding of how to avoid sort of surgical procedures. You know, as the botch doctor, I'm very into teaching people. Hey, you really need to know that if you have plastic surgery, you can have a disaster. It's much more common than plastic surgeons will tell you. So it's funny because if I went to med school in the 80s, okay. And if you would have told.

[Heather Dubrow]

I was very young, by the way.

[Lauren Everts]

And if you would have told me.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You were born, you remember being born.

[Lauren Everts]

40 years later, we're still in 19. I graduated 86. You would have told me in 2025, you're still going to be taking a scalpel and cutting through the skin, taking a scissors and dissecting out the blood vessels, lifting things up, pulling it off, pulling it back, cutting off and putting stitches. I would have gone, no way. It'll be done with lasers or energy transmission devices. Longevity and health and wellness will be completely different in 40 years. And it is and it isn't. But the things that I'm really focused on, how is it and how can we advance the frontier? Because there's so much BS right now. There's a lot of stuff that works, a lot of stuff that doesn't work at all. And then there's a big question mark, stuff like NAD and peptides and this multi billion dollar industry for health and wellness that there's no science behind. So. So we're really super focused on what works, what doesn't, what's new, how can you advance our lives?

[Heather Dubrow]

And Lauren, you mentioned before we started, you mentioned our first book, we've written three books together and our first book was Dr. And Mrs. Guinea Pig.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah, that's the one I love.

[Heather Dubrow]

So we are resurrecting Dr. And Mrs. Guinea Pig and we are trying again all things health, wellness and beauty on ourselves.

[Michael Bostic]

Have you done NAD yet?

[Heather Dubrow]

We have not done NAD yet.

[Lauren Everts]

That's. We're coming up to.

[Heather Dubrow]

We're coming up to.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So you're doing like a new version of the book advice?

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, but we're doing it on YouTube.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

That is genius.

[Lauren Everts]

On ourselves.

[Heather Dubrow]

On ourselves. And we.

[Lauren Everts]

And we are testing things, but are really testing things.

[Heather Dubrow]

Creatine. I'm sure you guys take creatine. I mean, it's the one supplement that everyone agrees everyone should be on.

[Michael Bostic]

I've been taking it since I was 12 years old.

[Heather Dubrow]

Really?

[Michael Bostic]

No issue.

[Heather Dubrow]

But have you heard about megadosing creatine for the brain?

[Michael Bostic]

And if you don't sleep well. Yeah, you don't. And it does. It helps.

[Heather Dubrow]

Well, we tested it, so does though. Well, you have to watch because there's.

[Lauren Everts]

Real science behind the 5 grams or 7 grams or 3 grams that a male or female would take for muscle and for fitness. But everybody, every science influencer right now is saying megadosing is amazing for your brain. Based on what? What science? There's no science there. So we are actually putting all of these things to the scientific test on ourselves.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Can you give us a few things that don't work that you both think are not.

[Heather Dubrow]

I don't even have to look at him. I know exactly what he's going to say.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

What?

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I mean, she wants me to say salmon sperm faces.

[Heather Dubrow]

That's what I thought you were gonna say. Oh, no, I love salmon sperm faces.

[Lauren Everts]

She loves it.

[Heather Dubrow]

I think that they are incredibly good. I think it's. Your skin is glowy and amazing. I love it.

[Lauren Everts]

But I mean, who concepted this thing? I have an idea. Let's get the ejaculate from a salmon and wipe it on our face. That's gonna be really good for our skin. What? You just know.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You never know what's going on in pornhub.

[Heather Dubrow]

They never know.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Maybe they did a bestiality.

[Heather Dubrow]

It was born on only fan.

[Michael Bostic]

It's the fish edition that they're trying to get right.

[Lauren Everts]

Is that those do work pretty well, I must say.

[Michael Bostic]

It's like the salmon semen. I always. At least when you made me do it, you told me exosomes. I don't know if I'm just getting a fish lie.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Like I said, a little lie.

[Lauren Everts]

So I can tell you, in my opinion, and this is controversial, but I think every plastic surgeon would agree with me. Threads don't work.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Agree.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah. He doesn't like threads.

[Lauren Everts]

They don't work.

[Michael Bostic]

We've had a lot of people in your space come on and say that those can be not only not work, but disastrous.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Explain why.

[Lauren Everts]

So, I mean, they've been around forever. Okay. And I will tell you when there's a technology that was in the 70s and 80s 70s and goes away 80s and goes away 90s, and it doesn't work. And so now the new version of it is sort of these barbs that are on these threads. You put them in a fishing hook. Fishing hook, multiple fishing hooks. You feed them in. They sort of grab and anchor the skin and you pull it up and you let go and hopefully they all stay up and they just don't work. I think they do work in the right hands for about four weeks.

[Heather Dubrow]

But, like, that's a lot of trauma to your face for four weeks.

[Lauren Everts]

And I can't tell you how many patients I've seen with comp. Obviously I am. I have a complications type practice, you know, I'm the botch doctor. But so I only see pretty much disasters of everything. They don't work and they don't last. Even when they work temporarily, they don't last.

[Michael Bostic]

So people come to you and once it's happened and it's gone wrong and they. Terry, we did.

[Lauren Everts]

There'll be like this weird pole on one side and this one fell. This one's over here. So what did the doctor do to fix it? Put in more, more.

[Heather Dubrow]

And I have friends that have done this and they. You have to get them done constantly.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

When you're in Orange county and you're surrounded by. Actually, I think you're in a unique position because you're surrounded by Terry, who's a doctor who sees all the botched stuff. And then you also. In Orange county, everyone's doing everything and you're. So you get to see it up close in person. What is that like to sort of be in the middle and have Terry as the doctor, but then have what's happening in real life in front of you?

[Heather Dubrow]

You know, it's funny, I think that region to region, plastic surgery is so different. I mean, girls from Florida look different than girls from Orange county that look different from women in New York. I mean, I think I'm from New York, so I feel like we're always bundled up. So it's really about the neck up, you know, there. And in California, people care more about breasts and now butts and stuff like that.

[Lauren Everts]

But Orange County's even different from la. I moved my practice up here. We moved back down in Beverly Hills now.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Okay, I went to your Orange County.

[Michael Bostic]

We grew up in San Diego.

[Heather Dubrow]

Oh, really?

[Michael Bostic]

We came here in like 2014 and now we're in Texas, but we grew up in San Diego. So, like, kind of experience with. We get all the vibes of the different in Texas.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

How is Orange county different than Los Angeles.

[Lauren Everts]

So I think Orange county, it's more coastal. Yeah. And more body oriented.

[Heather Dubrow]

A lot of it's a beach community.

[Lauren Everts]

A lot of sort of larger implants and bigger, Bigger lips. I think. I think LA is becoming a lot more. Just like Hollywood's settling it there. A lot less pillow face. By the way, in terms of that thing, what doesn't work? Filler. Too much filler doesn't work. Okay. I've done too much filler on me and it was very embarrassing.

[Heather Dubrow]

Oh, my God. That went on for like two years.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes, I did.

[Heather Dubrow]

I don't like filler. I like Sculptra.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. So. And I have a. I have a show on Ian Peacock right now called Botch Presents Plastic Surgery.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I already watched it. Check. Loved it.

[Lauren Everts]

Look how many celebrities regret their filler. All of them did pretty much right. And they all wanted it dissolved. So I think the pillow face filler thing is gone in la. I still think it's big in Orange County. The too much filler.

[Heather Dubrow]

And to answer your question, I think for me, not just what I see, but, you know, being married to a plastic surgeon, first of all, being on television, high definition television, so stressful. I'm 56. Like I've been on TV since I was 22, man. The cameras have gotten very clear.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

No, you look so good.

[Heather Dubrow]

That's so nice of you. But I watch back and I go, mm, that's not a good angle. Or is it time? Is it time for a facelift? Is it time to get your eyes done? Is it time for all these things? And I really try to, you know, move forward and see where I'm gonna go. But I like the non surgical stuff. But there will come a time, I'm sure, where I'll wanna do something surgically. But it is hard, you know, because there's so much professional out there or what seems to be perfection that you don't know if it's filters or it's like the perfect surgery or whatever it is.

[Lauren Everts]

And then the final thing about things that don't work, are those the things that work? Kind of. But they're exaggerated.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Like what?

[Lauren Everts]

So the most exaggerated thing are the radio frequency or energy transmission devices that go under the skin that are gonna give you a facelift without having a facelift to tighten your body skin. The face type. Body type.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

The.

[Heather Dubrow]

The, like the Morpheus 8.

[Lauren Everts]

The Morpheus 8. The Aleras.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, I've done those.

[Lauren Everts]

They work and they work kind of sort of. But.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

But I don't want an issue.

[Lauren Everts]

They're way exaggerated in their effects.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

What do you guys think about how the cut just came out with this article? And I thought you were the perfect people to ask. It's called, like, the Forever 35 face.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

What. What is both of your opinions on that?

[Lauren Everts]

So it's funny, we were just talking about that today because that's what this phenomenon where you don't age, you're locked in at 35 is now. I think it's looking good for some recent celebrities who have had facelifts and are admitting to it. This sort of plastic surgery acknowledgment. Oh, I've done this. The admitting of plastic surgery in females.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

It's strategic relatability.

[Lauren Everts]

Right. It's cool. But also, nobody has to question them.

[Heather Dubrow]

And bug them about it.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Give us the realist.

[Lauren Everts]

But, Chef, just in the last few days, and I'm not mentioning names, but you'll know who I'm talking about. There's been some males in that stage of life that have attempted to have the Forever 35 face. And it's not only is it not Forever 35, it's like, where did you park your spaceship kind of face? You know, because it looks altered.

[Michael Bostic]

So let me ask you this. I have not done very much. I've done like some Botox and I've. But I want to do something eventually because I got these. My eyes. One day, I'm.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Do you want a consultation with Jerry?

[Michael Bostic]

Yes, of course. I'm going to take any opportunity I can.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Go ahead.

[Michael Bostic]

What would you do if you wanna age gracefully and not completely fall apart? Because I know at some point, like, this is. This is coming down.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. So for a man, it's good to have low brows. It's okay to have a little excess eyelid skin. You do not wanna take all in a woman. Look at the eyelids here. Right. There's no upper eyelid. Excess. Look at the eye, you guys.

[Michael Bostic]

I'm gonna be able to use this as a sleep mask, Terry, if I'm not capable.

[Lauren Everts]

But if you take even a little too much, it's weird.

[Heather Dubrow]

You look feminized. You look feminized.

[Lauren Everts]

And there's a male celebrity who just did this, and they're talking about it in the media, and it's really. They look completely different. And you don't wanna look different.

[Michael Bostic]

No, I don't wanna. Yeah. That's what scares me about it, is I. I want to look at myself in the mirror, but I also don't wanna just be like, man, that guy fell apart.

[Heather Dubrow]

But there's females like that too, that have, they're known for hooded eyes and they went and had their eyes done and they took too much skin and all of a sudden it's not that they didn't look good. They didn'. So you want to be natural for you, but the Forever 30 thing sort of belies that concept. I have mixed a mixed relationship or feelings about the Forever 35. I mean, first of all, I get a lot of comments. I'd like to say that I'm aging backwards, which is very nice since I haven't done plastic surgery yet. But listen, I don't look like those forever 35 people because I haven't done that yet. And it looks so great. And there's a piece in the piece like, wow, I love that. And then there's another piece of me that thinks, well, if I don't do that, I'll get all the roles in all those shows and movies because everyone else is gonna look 35.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

That's an interesting point. I knew you guys would have an interesting take on that. It just, it just seems like that 30 year olds are questioning whether they need a facelifter. Because what I'm hearing and from all my friends is like, start early. Like do it when you're 30 and 40. I have a friend who's like in her early 30s that has had a facelift. Yeah, this is, These girls are doing it.

[Michael Bostic]

We know multiple people.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah, they're doing it in their early 30s. So I have another friend.

[Lauren Everts]

Would you ever do that on myself?

[Heather Dubrow]

No. Someone in their early 30s.

[Lauren Everts]

So, you know, it's. I have consults like that all the time. And I take them to the mirror and I go, let me just show you something. I go, does this look better than that? And they go, I go, look, this, that. I go, you probably should wait five years. But here's the thing. You go to a plastic surgeon, they see you as a pre op, they see you as a car payment. They see you, you know, they're not, they won't operate on you. So they're not going to tell you honestly that maybe it's better to keep doing some judicious Botox and filler and maybe some lasers and maybe some energy transmission before you go for the facelift.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Because, you know, you're young, 30s and 40s should be looking into facelifts yet. Because a lot of people are doing little nips and tucks. They say like, it's better to like start younger. So then by the time like you're 70, you're not having to like pull everything back.

[Lauren Everts]

I think I do.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

In some cases.

[Lauren Everts]

In some cases I think it's good. In some cases I do it. The answer to that is always. It depends. If you do look significantly better when you look in the mirror and do this, you can have a mini left. I don't think it's a bad idea necessarily.

[Heather Dubrow]

Is there a. Is there a quota to how many facelifts someone can have in their life?

[Lauren Everts]

No, not really, to be honest with you. No, I mean.

[Heather Dubrow]

All right, then start at 20.

[Lauren Everts]

The truth is, once you know, because we don't pull it back in a very natural way, we pull it back sort of up and back. So if you have too many, when it starts to relax in sort of the way skin in their natural relaxing, tension skin lines, it's called. If it drops a little bit in an abnormal way, it starts to look very weird. And once you get too weird, it's hard to get out of weird.

[Heather Dubrow]

Oh, that. See, that's scary.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I know.

[Michael Bostic]

That's that like look where you take.

[Heather Dubrow]

That's why I don't do anything.

[Michael Bostic]

It doesn't exist.

[Lauren Everts]

It doesn't exist in nature.

[Heather Dubrow]

Oh, I know who you're talking about. Yeah, it's.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, that doesn't exist in nature look is the weird.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's weird.

[Michael Bostic]

That was what terrifies me. I would never want to do something and then have that.

[Lauren Everts]

If you take too much, much eyelid skin on a guy, it doesn't exist in nature.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Don't you guys also, I have this weird theory that like there's trends in plastic surgery. So like Pamela Anderson, she had the huge boobs. And the problem is if you have that now someone can look at you subconsciously and tell how old you are. So what I worry about with the facelift is let's say like the trend is ABCD right now and you get a facelift and then by the time you're 60, you're sort of pigeon holed into that trend. So you look 60 subconsciously. Does that make sense?

[Lauren Everts]

Yes, it does.

[Heather Dubrow]

It reminds me of Heidi Montag, who's a gorgeous girl, but if you remember years ago, she was very young and she had so many procedures done and she went from like this really adorable 20 something year old to looking like a very gorgeous, exotic 40 year old. And she was still 20 something.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Right, right, right. And then what I wonder is how does that age when you're 60? Because then you're pigeonholed at how plastic surgery was at that time. It's almost like have you remember, like, Heather will know what I'm talking about. Like a fake French tip from a certain period.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yes.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

If someone was wearing that right now, you.

[Heather Dubrow]

You would, like, look, it would date.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You 65 or something.

[Heather Dubrow]

That's a good question. So would your plastic surgery date you?

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I. I think if you. If you start too early, you have too many. Like I said, the main thing is when it relaxes, it goes weird, hard to fix. And, you know, if you're. If you're a guy and you're 70 and you have a very tight neck and a very snatched. They call it jaw. That's the word they're using these days. You look snatched.

[Heather Dubrow]

He didn't know the word snatched. We had to teach it to him. They know the word snatched.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay. I had just. I just heard that one. Anyway, I thought it sounded like a dirty porn thing.

[Michael Bostic]

When she first started saying it, I was like, I don't think we're saying the same thing here.

[Lauren Everts]

Right.

[Heather Dubrow]

Do you know this word? I'm like, yeah, okay, bucko.

[Lauren Everts]

And so if you have a guy or a girl who's 70 and they have no laxity, it just doesn't. There's a discordance. It doesn't compute visually. But that's because they still look. And I mean, although, you know, Dolly Parton still looks really good, but I wonder what she looks like with all the makeup off, you know, and she's sitting at home. Is there that. Weird.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I think, though, that's like Dolly Parton.

[Heather Dubrow]

That's part of her thing.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah. I feel like there's like a. Something about a essence with her that. I don't know, that's like. It's hard to, like, give the general population that tip and compare it to her. It's like, that's Dolly Parton.

[Lauren Everts]

But I will say, for sure.

[Michael Bostic]

Always been hot. Telling you.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I agree. But for sure. For share. It's worked.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah, for sure it's worked.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes. She doesn't look odd. And even though she's. What is she, 70?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Maybe she just got a little pull every single year, Just a little tug.

[Lauren Everts]

It doesn't look weird. It does not.

[Heather Dubrow]

And I think.

[Lauren Everts]

But for most people, trust me, it does.

[Michael Bostic]

Do you think, like, it's maybe some of these. Like, it's the. The drastic nature of the change. Meaning, like, if you just do a little bit here and there, it's. And slowly over time.

[Heather Dubrow]

But there's certain things you should do. And Terry will tell you in your 20s and your 30s and your 40s, but to your point, Lauren? Everyone's backing it up, right?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So I don't know what the right answer is.

[Michael Bostic]

Backing up meaning they're starting way too early, right?

[Heather Dubrow]

I think way too early. We were just talking about mommy makeovers, and what I was telling you was, so I have four kids, and after the last one, I was like, oh, my gosh. Like, these children have sucked the life out of my body, literally and physically. And my chest. I used to have these full, natural D breasts.

[Lauren Everts]

Best breasts ever.

[Michael Bostic]

That's why you didn't want her to do anything. Now it's mapping out.

[Lauren Everts]

When I met her, she had them.

[Heather Dubrow]

I had them when I needed them.

[Lauren Everts]

These mid to full D cups with this most insane body. It was like heaven, you know? It was like, calm down.

[Heather Dubrow]

I know Terry's gonna jump you into your media.

[Lauren Everts]

I was so into it. Remember the honking inside for a second?

[Heather Dubrow]

Anyway, so after I had the kids, they completely deflated.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

And I was so upset about it. And we. We talked for, like, five minutes about me getting implants to, like, small ones to get my upper fullness back. But I'm allergic to everything, latex and plastic and all. So I was like, oh, my gosh, these will just jump out of my body. And if that hadn't been true, I may have gone and had it done. But what I'm gonna tell you is within two years of having or three years of having that last kid, my body bounced back. I'm not saying I have the same breasts I had before I had kids, but, I mean, he's happy.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. I mean, she was very, very deflated and very lax, and she said, maybe I should put a pair of implants there. I totally was against it, even though I'm a plastic surgeon, because I just didn't want to. I was against it because first of.

[Heather Dubrow]

All, look at him, like, already touching them.

[Lauren Everts]

Besides. Okay, this. Yeah, that was tm. I was against it because, truth be told, which plastic surgeons won't tell you, there's a 15 to 20% chance of a complication when you put a foreign body that's in there for a long period of time, your immune system does surveillance, and ultimately it goes, yeah, no, I don't like you anymore. And. And form scar tissue, so you're gonna have more surgery for sure. And I didn't want her to go down that path. As it turns out now, just so you know and your audience knows, there's a new implant called Motiva that has a very low capsular contracture rate.

[Heather Dubrow]

Why are you Telling me to get them now.

[Lauren Everts]

No, your breasts are great. I don't know exactly why. It's got a light texture to it and they sort of. I think they broke the code somehow. And the body seems to be. It only got FDA approved since November, but it's been in Europe for 10 years and we've heard about it this whole time. But the FDA doesn't let us use stuff from Europe unless we test it first. Yeah, I'm having amazing, amazing success in difficult patients who have recurrent capsulation. Putting those in, huh? So if you are gonna do it, I recommend you do motiva.

[Michael Bostic]

So. But are you saying based on those stats, like, if 100 people got this, 15 to 20 of them would have a complication?

[Lauren Everts]

Could you imagine that out of every 20 operations I did, every 100 operations I did, 20 patients were totally unhappy? I wouldn't be a busy plastic surgeon. That's a lot, right? Once you get to a ousand, you've got 200 plus patients running around who are regretful and super unhappy. So the complication rate in plastic surgery should be 1 to 3%, not 15 to 20. And I didn't want her to go down that path with implants.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

If you guys were to tell someone what the perfect size implant is, what do you guys think it is? Or is it obviously different for everybody?

[Heather Dubrow]

It depends on your breast issue.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, it depends where you start.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Okay. What do you think is the most popular?

[Heather Dubrow]

It's regional.

[Lauren Everts]

It used to be. I think it's in Orange County.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's bigger.

[Lauren Everts]

It's probably 450 to 500 is sort of the average up here. I think it's 300.

[Heather Dubrow]

What's in New York?

[Lauren Everts]

You know, 300 is sort of like this big, you know, Feel like New York. Smaller, Definitely smaller. I'm sure it's probably 250.

[Michael Bostic]

Like Orange county, they got some. And just for your ones.

[Lauren Everts]

I know. And just for your. Well, at the beach, right. Just for your reference point, 15cc is a tablespoon. 10 tablespoons is 150. 20 tablespoons is 300. It's not that huge, 300. But once you get to 500, 600, you know, you're getting. And the larger you go, the greater the chance the body's going to go, no, I don't, I don't like this. That's too much. And the other thing we didn't mention, she's very, very sensitive to anything.

[Heather Dubrow]

I said that I'm allergic to plastic and latex and all that.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

I'M telling you, they just would have jumped out of my body.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah, you think so?

[Heather Dubrow]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

She would have encountered within a week.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

But Terry's happy, so. So that's great.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah. You guys have talked openly about GLP1, and I would love to know your him and her perspective on GLP1.

[Heather Dubrow]

I'm obsessed.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You're obsessed?

[Heather Dubrow]

Yes.

[Michael Bostic]

Explain like obsessed with talking about it or obsessed with.

[Lauren Everts]

This is like, you know, AI is to the fourth industrial revolution as these GLP ones are to health and wellness.

[Michael Bostic]

Whoa.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

And are you talking just about, like the semi glutose? You're talking about peptides in general or just.

[Heather Dubrow]

No, he's talking about GLP1.

[Lauren Everts]

G I P. I'm talking about these intestinal hormone, gut hormones. That's what they are for weight loss. So I got so obsessed with these drugs because they were initially used for diabetes and people were noticing that these diabetics who were on them, their weight was very low. I had a friend who was a diabetic about 10 years ago, and he calls me up the about five years and goes, I don't know. I have no problem with my weight anymore. And then of course, we find out that it was on the weight loss drugs. I'm so obsessed with them that I actually studied for a year and took the American Board of Obesity Medicine certification exam. And I'm board certified by the American Board of Obesity.

[Heather Dubrow]

That is so my husband, by the way.

[Lauren Everts]

So I know everything about these.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So when he comes home and tells you this are like, I feel like you have like a beautiful figure. Are you like, I want to try it. Are you like, no, thanks.

[Heather Dubrow]

No, I would love. So, okay. I, you know, I've been, you know, thin for a long time.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You've got naturally thin body.

[Heather Dubrow]

I feel like, Well, I used to be voluptuous before I had the kids.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Literally.

[Heather Dubrow]

I had bigger boobs, I had hips, the whole thing. But after having the four kids, my body changed. My waist got wider and I. And my chest got down and I turned into like a more athletic body and I started working out like I never had before.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You taught me about strength training before anyone was talking about it. You guys talked on your podcast, I want to say, seven years ago or something, about weightlifting.

[Michael Bostic]

Yes.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Before anyone was talking about it.

[Heather Dubrow]

And I totally believe in that. But now, at this stage of my life, I still do weightlifting because you have to. You need it for bone density and all the things. But now I'm off of HIIT training and onto Pilates and Core Zone 2.

[Lauren Everts]

Cardio but still we recommend resistance training big time, three times a week, training minimum, always.

[Heather Dubrow]

Okay, Always weight training.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So you love them?

[Lauren Everts]

I love them. So let me tell you just a little bit about them. So initially they were indicated they were FDA approved for diabetes, type 2 diabetes. Then they got very fast rapid approval for weight loss when it was discovered that they're so effective for obesity, which is the number one risk factor for all four top four causes of death. Cardiovascular disease, degenerative disorders, diabetes, and, you know, Parkinson's and things like that. So. And cancer. So then it was discovered, oh, my gosh, they're not only good for obesity, they seem to prevent Alzheimer's.

[Heather Dubrow]

They are very cardio protective.

[Lauren Everts]

They're cardio protective. If you. Now, if you've had a heart attack, even if you're not obese, it's recommended you go on them to prevent post myocardial infarction complications. They're good for liver health, kidney health. So it's. So far it's clearly due to the sugar control sugar.

[Heather Dubrow]

Cause it's all.

[Lauren Everts]

Even if you're thin, sugar causes inflammation. So what I talk about, what I'm obsessed with is microdosing.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Okay, so what's the right microdose amount?

[Lauren Everts]

So nobody really knows. This is like the peptides and the nads. Everybody's using them. We're all, many of us doctors who are specialists in this are recommending them, but there's no great science about it. So in my opinion, I'm on Mounjaro, you know, and I don't make, I don't meet the obesity criteria to get Mounjaro. So I'm on off label. Botox, by the way, on the forehead is off label. I don't know if you know that. Botox here is off label. Botox here, it's only on label for. Right there. So most of what you take these drugs, any drug for is off label.

[Michael Bostic]

So when you say off label, does that mean it's just.

[Lauren Everts]

It's not fda, it's not fda. It doesn't meet the indications. Okay, so on label is you have to have a BMI of greater than 30.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Understand? So on the, on the FAQ. Got it. So you're taking an off label amount.

[Lauren Everts]

Of Mangero Tirzepatide, as you know. Okay, so Tirzepatide is the, is the GIP and GLP, right? So GLG, GLP1 is Ozempic and Wegovy. That's the first one. They're the same drug. They just renamed it WeGovy for obesity indication. Then the better one is the GLP1 and GIP, which is called generically Tirzepatite, which is Mounjaro and Zepp bound. They're the same drug.

[Heather Dubrow]

And now there's a new one.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

And what, what milligrams do you like to take of Tirzepatide?

[Lauren Everts]

So it's. It's Tirzepatide. I don't know.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You know what I'm known for? Not being able to.

[Lauren Everts]

Everybody says try. Everyone says it. But it's tir. Tir.

[Heather Dubrow]

We have doctor friends that say it that way too.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Say it how you say it.

[Lauren Everts]

Ter's appetite. So it's. You start at 2.5 milligrams for four weeks, 5 milligrams for another four weeks, 7.5 for four weeks, up to 10 or 12, and then 15 is the max.

[Heather Dubrow]

But that's not microbiome.

[Lauren Everts]

That's for diabetes.

[Michael Bostic]

That's a full, like, dose of diabetes.

[Lauren Everts]

That's like, you're never gonna. Once you get to five, if you're a responder, which most people are, you're not gonna eat at all. If you get to 7.5 and you're a regular responder, you're gonna lose too much weight. So for me, I did 2.5 for four weeks. I lost that six pounds, and then I went to five for one week. And I didn't feel well and I didn't want to eat anything, so I went back down to 2.5. And I consider microdosing 2.5. But people are talking about 1.25 or 2.5 every other week or 2.5 every 10 days.

[Heather Dubrow]

It seems to be like a secret sauce. You have to figure out.

[Lauren Everts]

You have to figure it out for yourself.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

How do you, Heather, see this out in the wild? Because you're with what you do. You've got like. I feel like my dentist told me. He's like, everyone's on it.

[Lauren Everts]

Everyone?

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, everyone.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So everyone, like, everyone is on it and like, that's like a celebrity or like all these famous people are on it. Yes. One of the most important things in my daily life is my spirituality practice. I take it very seriously. And it's something that I do every single morning and every single night. So I start my day with it. Whether that's listening to my morning meditation when I'm on my, like, vibrating plate and brushing my teeth, or whether it's meditation or whether it's laying on a red light bed, or whether it's Winding down the night. I've integrated it into my day every day. And the reason that I do that is because I am big on the subconscious and reprogramming it and manifestation. So a couple weeks ago, we just had the owner of the Higher Self app on our podcast and it was amazing. She basically talked about how you don't need years of therapy to shift your life. You can clear a money block, even a weight block or a relationship fear in just 20 minutes. And she launched this app to do just that. So this isn't a meditation. It's more of a subconscious reprogramming, which is backed by Science for 53 cents a day. It's very affordable. You can go on and you can clear a block in just 20 minutes. I, like I said, I'm all about the mind. It's so important to me to hit that box daily on my daily to do list. Like, yes, I wanna work out and yes, I wanna eat healthy and yes, I wanna go on walks and really kill it at my business and being a mom. But I always love to get my mindset right. And that really starts with subconscious reprogramming. Go to www.thehighourself.app skinny and get four months free or 30% off the yearly plan. That's literally 53 cents a day to reprogram your subconscious and completely upgrade your life.

[Michael Bostic]

Quick break to talk about Symbiotica. First, I want to congratulate my friends over at Symbiotica because they are now at Target and all these Target stores. It's an incredible thing to see this brand's growth and it's no surprise why they have such a wide assortment of incredible products that Lauren and I have learned to love and take on a regular basis. What I love most about Symbiotica is they are intentional about the products they create. Cher Vane, who's our friend and who's been on this podcast four or five times, is a wizard in the lab when it comes to supplementation. And what I also love about this brand is that most of their supplements are liposomal, which means you're actually eating the supplements like food. They're being absorbed in your body in a different way. They're being absorbed so efficiently in your body because of the liposomal delivery system. Some of the standout stars that I love and control cannot live without is their liposomal glutathione. Glutathione is so important. It's been making news more and more lately. It is the master antioxidant for the body. It's going to help with anti aging your gut health. Glowing skin, faster nutrient absorption and it comes in this berry flavor. Usually glutathione is terrible. I think Symbiotica makes the best one on the market. They also have this amazing magnesium L threonate. This is going to help you focus, it's going to reduce brain fog, it's going to balance your mood, help support stress management. If I want a little bit more energy, I'm taking their vitamin B which is this methylated B formula. They have so many products and again this is done by a company that is mission driven with great people. Taking Symbiotica supplements is one of the easiest ways I've found to stay consistent with my health goals even during a busy summer and fall. All you have to do is go to symbiotica.com TSC today to get 20% off plus free shipping. That's C Y M B IoT I K A dot com TSC to get 20% off plus free Shipping as a.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

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[Heather Dubrow]

I have a girlfriend who I've been friends with for a hundred years and she called me a couple years ago and she was like I'm so sick of reading about all these girls on Ozempic. And I was like, listen, you've been trying your entire life to get down £40. You know, there is now help. Go do it. And she did it, and she looks phenomenal. And I feel like what upsets me is this stigma that everyone has against it. When I was in high school, I smoked cigarettes and drank Diet Coke and took Dexatrim. Are you telling me that that is better than doing Tirzepatide? It's not. It was dangerous and it was so bad for it.

[Lauren Everts]

This is not dangerous.

[Heather Dubrow]

This isn't dangerous.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

What about the gallbladder stuff that I hear?

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, no, doesn't really happen.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

What about the pancreatitis?

[Lauren Everts]

Is what you heard?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Okay, maybe pancreatitis.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, no, Turns out, not so much. The only thing you don't want, if you have a family history of multiple endocrine neoplasia, it's a particular, weird, super rare type of thyroid cancer. Okay, you don't want to be on that. Theoretically, but that was. That study was only true in rats. It's probably. You can probably even if you have a family history of this medullary carcinoma of the thyroid, that's that if you have family history, you're not supposed to take it.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

And what about the blindness?

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, that is.

[Heather Dubrow]

Have you seen this on Instagram?

[Lauren Everts]

That is a lot of bs, by the way.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I just. I'm at. I, by the way. I have actual no opinion on it. And I. I'm not judgmental of anything. I just am asking you all these questions because I feel like you know them all and this is all what people you know.

[Heather Dubrow]

But it's scary because you like, I'll scroll through Instagram or Tick Tock, and all of a sudden it's like, stuff like that. I saw a thing on an antibiotic the other day, and they were saying, you know, you could lose your limbs if you use this antibiotic. And I send it to him. I'm like, is that true?

[Lauren Everts]

Okay. Do you know how dangerous. Do you know how incredibly dangerous and life threatening Tylenol is in this. Forget about the Tylenol autism thing that's going on right now.

[Michael Bostic]

But Tylenol legitimately, legitimately is the most.

[Lauren Everts]

Dangerous drug that you could possibly take.

[Michael Bostic]

That's why when these people started chugging Tylenol, I'm like, that is insane. You're liver. You're going to die. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, so if you look at the number of cases of Tylenol induced liver failure in this country versus how many cases of blindness from these GLP1s. It doesn't. I don't even know that's true. But you know, they love, everyone loves to hate on a new thing, particularly when it comes to. You took a shortcut to losing weight.

[Heather Dubrow]

I hate that. I hate that stigma. I don't like that at all. Like I said, what we did was so much more dangerous than this, which is a totally safe thing. What I'm hoping for is that the next iteration of these drugs, and I know they're coming out with a pill right now, I don't know if the efficacy is the same, but I'm hoping for someone like me. I want the ancillary benefits. I want the cognitive health and the cardio protective and all this.

[Michael Bostic]

I want to ask you guys about that.

[Heather Dubrow]

Amazing things that are, I mean, every day they're coming out. And now we found out your hair is thicker. You know, it's like every day there's. I'm lying about that. But every day that there's like a new thing about these drugs that I kind of, I wanted.

[Michael Bostic]

What are those? Because, okay, so I have not struggled with my weight personally.

[Lauren Everts]

Right.

[Michael Bostic]

And I, when I, when I hear these things, I have no judgment. Again, like, do what you want. But when I, when someone like me hears, I'm like, well, I don't feel like I need. I could always, you know, look a little better, but I don't feel like I need to trim off a bunch of weights.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

But what if someone doesn't need to trim off?

[Michael Bostic]

What are the other benefits that I could potentially exhibit? And if I don't, if I'm not trying to lose weight, will it like turn off my hunger hormones and then I will lose too much weight?

[Lauren Everts]

So. Not if you, not if you. First of all, you got to figure out what kind of responder you are. Maybe 30% of people don't respond at all. Maybe I'm in the category where I'm a super responder. But if you're a typical person, you'll go on 2.5 and you'll go. And you'll get used to it. You won't want to eat and then you'll sort of. It'll wear off much more quickly on your body. But the benefits for the brain, and you know, it's about to get indications for Alzheimer's for addiction disorders.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's for the heart cardio projection.

[Lauren Everts]

So it's, it's really all about controlling the sugar and inflammation. So it's going to be the ultimate anti aging drug.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I Have.

[Michael Bostic]

But that's why you got so into it. It was. It's all those things.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I got into it because. Well, I got in a fight with Jillian Michaels on. In social media.

[Michael Bostic]

I don't know if you know about the fight.

[Heather Dubrow]

It was brief. And this is my husband. So, yeah, they got into a little argument because he was Talking about the GLP1s and how much she liked them.

[Michael Bostic]

And she.

[Lauren Everts]

And she talked about how dangerous it was. And I'm thinking, what are you. What are you talking about? What do you know about that?

[Heather Dubrow]

And he may have made an obnoxious comment, like, when I want medical advice, I'm not gonna go to a trainer. And then she's.

[Lauren Everts]

And if you wanna give medical advice, you should probably take the MCATs, go to medical school. She got mad.

[Heather Dubrow]

It was kind of like that. And then she wanted to, like, meet up and have a big talk and all the things. And so he didn't do that. But in typical Terry DeBrow fashion, he was like, well, I'm going to become an expert. So he studied for the board exam. He's now a triple board certified doctor. General surgery, plastic surgery, and the obesity medicine.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You know what I think you should do? And it would go viral. I think you guys should invite her on your podcast.

[Lauren Everts]

She wanted me to go on her podcast.

[Michael Bostic]

We get. But we get along with her very well and we know it. I think. I think what I like about her is she won't be straight up, but she will create the space for the debate.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I don't.

[Lauren Everts]

I think she'll take it like, I was obnoxious. And I apologize for that. That was, you know, insulting. But, you know, tmz. I was coming out of Craig's and had a couple drinks on board. And the TMZ thing, here they go. What do you think of Jillian Michaels saying it's the worst drug of all time? I go, it's like a cure for the number one risk factor of death. So it's the greatest drug of all time. And then I thought, I'm a plastic surgeon. She could criticize me, say, well, you're only a plastic surgeon. I thought, all right, so I'm going to become a true expert. And that's why I did this.

[Heather Dubrow]

That's why he did it.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

That's cool, though, that he gets so curious that he becomes an expert.

[Heather Dubrow]

You could call it curious. I'm gonna tell you, he's stubborn and needs to be right.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You really need to be right.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yes, Joe, you try arguing with him.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, it Was scary because I said, oh, I'm gonna become board certified. And then I started reading stuff. Go. This is not my specialty. This is an internal medicine specialty. So here I'm reading endocrinology and nutrition, all these things out to. And I told everybody I'm taking the exam. I thought this was so dumb.

[Heather Dubrow]

He's like, why did I tell everyone I was doing this?

[Michael Bostic]

Oh. Cause if it didn't, I failed.

[Lauren Everts]

Because people were going, hey, you know, we didn't find. I didn't find out for three months after I took the exam. People going, hey, how'd the board certification exam going? Got better. Pass this, people.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Well, I think people also would. They want to ask you questions about that specific thing because people are seeing such good results.

[Lauren Everts]

Right. And it's expanding beyond obesity.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

So just so you know how hot this area is, there's a drug. The next one in line is a triple hormone drug. So there's GLP1, that's Ozempic, GLP1, GIP, that's tirzepatide. We'll go zepbound and mounjaro. And there's a new one called retatrutide, which is three hormones. Okay. People are so into these that they're now making it illegally, compounding it at a pharmacy. And it hasn't even been FDA approved. Right now they call it red eye. It's all over the Internet.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Is that one good or bad?

[Lauren Everts]

It's. If you. If you look at the data right now in stage three clinical trials, it's way better with way less side effects. I'll tell you how. So the way. One of the ways in which you sort of evaluate these, what percent of your weight will you lose in the study period of time? So ozempic wegovy is like 10 to 13%.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

That's pretty good.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

So if you weigh 200 pounds, you'll lose 20. That's not bad. Maybe 22. Tirzepatide is like 18%. Okay. Way better. Retatrutide is like 25% with less side effects.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

What's going on, though? This is what scares me about this. What's going on with the skin. That's. That's sagging from losing weight so quick.

[Lauren Everts]

Exactly. Or the hair. The hair loss.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

Skin. I mean, I don't care how you lose your weight. You lose weight. It happens in your face first.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yes, always. I think if I were to lose weight quicker with the help of one of these.

[Lauren Everts]

You're right.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

From the people that I've interviewed, I Would take a massive amount of amino.

[Lauren Everts]

Acid, eat a mass amount of protein.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Massive amount I would be taking. I already take so much amino acid because it's literally changed my entire hair. Like I cannot say that enough to everyone who's listening. But if you are on it to me, to balance it out with the hair loss and the weight loss, you need protein and amino acid, right?

[Lauren Everts]

No, quite. You're exactly. I would recommend a collagen too. Multi collagen, multi source collagen peptide.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You almost have to like. It's like a. What's it called? Seesaw.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's a balance.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, yeah. Well, it's because of the rapidity which you lose weight, you just lose it so quickly. Look, if you starve yourself, if you fast for 30 days, you're going to look the same, you know. It's the ozempic face phenomenon.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

You've heard of the ozempic vulva phenomenon?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

No. Tell us about the vulva. Perry, bro. Let's get some social clips here. Tell us about the ozempic vulva. So is that how you say it?

[Lauren Everts]

Ozempic vulva is a real thing.

[Heather Dubrow]

Just for the record, I do not have ozempic vulva.

[Michael Bostic]

That's what I'm gonna open the episode with. It's gonna just be you.

[Lauren Everts]

I do like that.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

She can open the episode, say, hi, I'm Heather Dubrow.

[Heather Dubrow]

Hi, I'm Heather Dubrow. I. I do not have ozempic vulva. My vulva is just fine.

[Lauren Everts]

Your vulva is nice, I must say.

[Heather Dubrow]

Thank you.

[Lauren Everts]

So ozempic vulva is not that you've lost so much weight down there. Things are loose like with ozempic face. Maybe that wasn't good. But ozempic vulva refers to this concept of decreased hydration and lubrication down there. So it's not as moist and lubricated. And because, you know, the difference between us and them is that our stuff is skin covered, their stuff is mucosal covered. So it's like the inside of the mouth. So you really need moisture for this.

[Michael Bostic]

We're really getting to know each other here. I know exactly what you're saying. It makes a lot of sense. Love the visual.

[Heather Dubrow]

Well, have you ever heard that people that are on the GLP1s get dry mouth? You get dry down, so it's dry everywhere.

[Lauren Everts]

So you get like vulvitis and vaginitis and all of these things.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I thought you were going to say like you just like there's the weight loss causes like a puffy or like something.

[Lauren Everts]

No, it would be deflated. Right.

[Heather Dubrow]

We were talking about ozempic phase.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So it's a deflated vagina.

[Heather Dubrow]

Deflated and apparently dry.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So it's like a not cute deflated.

[Lauren Everts]

It's dry.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So now people are going to be going to get filler in their vagina.

[Lauren Everts]

No, you have to hydrate. And it's really important to stay hydrated because when you lose the. When the satiety centers of your brain, you're not hungry, you're also not drinking as much people drink. And you just lose all sort of interest in food and liquid when you're on these drugs.

[Michael Bostic]

So it sounds like if you're on these things, you have to really be proactive in your diet and taking your protein and your collagen and lifting weights.

[Heather Dubrow]

What? Lifting weight. We talked, but it's even more important.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Okay, and what about. I heard that a lot of people who are experiencing. You mentioned this earlier, someone who drinks a lot or does drugs or it's turning that center off. Is that right?

[Lauren Everts]

It's fantastic for that.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah. Because you literally can't drink when you're on these drugs.

[Lauren Everts]

I think it should have an FDA approved for alcoholism if you're an alcoholic, because you drink on these. And by the way, I want. So I did when I first started doing it. I'm on 2.5 now and I do it every seven days, every 10 days. I sort of do it in a designer way. If I'm going to go on vacation, I'll go off it so I can overeat.

[Heather Dubrow]

So he can overeat. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. I know.

[Heather Dubrow]

If you're going away next week, there'll be no dose.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes.

[Heather Dubrow]

We'll be on the beach drinking Sunday night.

[Lauren Everts]

I won't drink chips, but the first time I went on 5 milligrams, I had two margaritas the next night. And anybody's listening to this. If you drink too much or even drink your normal too much amount, like if you're on vacation or going to a party or something, you'll be sicker than you've ever.

[Michael Bostic]

Sick, like vomit sick.

[Lauren Everts]

Vomiting doesn't even give you relief. It's just sicker than you've ever been in your life if you drink alcohol on these GLP1 drugs.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So if you're an alcoholic, people that.

[Lauren Everts]

Are drinking on them, you can drink a little bit. Look, once you like.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I feel like so many people I know that I've like had a drink with are like, oh, I'm on it.

[Lauren Everts]

And they're drinking well, also the effects.

[Heather Dubrow]

Maybe it's different person to person.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, the effects and side effects will wear off. So even if you have the sort of indigestion, the gerd, the. The. All of this sort of delay emptying issues you get with these drugs, they wear off the longer you're on them.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Huh. I've learned. So it's like been like a master's class.

[Lauren Everts]

This is the biggest breakthrough in the history of medicine.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So let's start the episode off with that. Now, let's talk about the biggest breakthrough of beauty. And I'm gonna ask you this. What are you seeing in the beauty industry that is rocking your world?

[Heather Dubrow]

I mean, I have to say, I think that. So we have our own skincare and supplement line that we've had for over a decade. And our whole concept was an internal external approach to health, wellness and beauty. So it's called Consult Beauty. Terri does it on TikTok. TikTok live right now. If you need a laugh for an hour, you can check him out.

[Lauren Everts]

I just make jokes for two hours.

[Heather Dubrow]

They're very silly, but that was our whole vibe. And I have to say, I think everyone else has finally caught up to this. But, you know, ingestible collagens and peptides and all of these things that we're ingesting, I think absolutely come out in our skin. And I think the topicals have become so much better too. I mean, back in the day, it used to just be vitamin A, C and E. Yeah. And that's all we had.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

What do you think about peptides? Not the GLP ones, just regular peptides.

[Heather Dubrow]

Injectable peptides.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

I haven't done them yet. We're gonna test it.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. We're about to do an experiment on ourselves with the two most common types.

[Michael Bostic]

Which one? The bpc.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes. The Morland.

[Michael Bostic]

Yep.

[Lauren Everts]

Great. Yep.

[Michael Bostic]

I think you like the peptides.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. But what are they doing right physiologically?

[Heather Dubrow]

Everyone we've spoken to, it's like, I love them, they're great. Well, how do you feel differently? I don't know. I just feel great. I want a clear reason why I'm taking something.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I agree.

[Michael Bostic]

I had one. I can't remember the exact name. I could find out. And it was a sleep one, actually.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

And it didn't make me sleep longer, but it gave me, like a healthier, deeper sleep, better quality. And I was on fire after that. Like, I felt great.

[Lauren Everts]

Did you go off it?

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. I mean, whenever I do it, I'll do it for like a week or two cycle. It I cycle it.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Then I go off and then I cycle for like a quarter. I don't go back on for a while.

[Heather Dubrow]

And do you feel like you maintain, maintain those results after being on it? So it like retrains your body a little bit?

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. And I hurt my back real bad and I did that. And that took me like 90 of the way healed and faster.

[Lauren Everts]

So here's the problem with this. These peptides are not FDA approved, they're not regulated. You don't know where they're coming from.

[Michael Bostic]

You gotta get a trusted. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

You know, and they're completely untested. They're not any different really than doing steroids at the gym. You know, trend. You know, they do trend. That's actually better, more studied trend because more guys have done it. Could tell you the dose of trend to get shredded is this. No one really knows the right dose. You go to one Beverly Hills doctor to get these peptides, he's going to put you on this for this dose. And then the guy down the streets goes, nah, I do this and this and they're all making it up.

[Heather Dubrow]

That doesn't mean it doesn't work.

[Lauren Everts]

And by the way, most of it, truthfully, it's probably placebo.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, and that's interesting too, because at least with my back, I was real messed up and so that's why I did it. And it was to the point where this injury where I was like, oh, I'm like, I'm not gonna be walking right for a while. And so even if it was placebo and it works, so annoying.

[Lauren Everts]

I do. You're in. I don't blame you.

[Heather Dubrow]

My heart breaks.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, I didn't care.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

And I was nine months pregnant. He's like, my back hurts. I'm like, shut the fuck.

[Michael Bostic]

No, but you know, when you throw out your back, it's real. It's a real thing.

[Lauren Everts]

But you know what?

[Heather Dubrow]

Listen. When I was nine months pregnant with the twins, I had kidney stones and I was lying on the bathroom floor nine months pregnant with twins, with my head on the cool tile, passing kidney stones. And he stepped over me.

[Lauren Everts]

I went, can I go to the bathroom? I wasn't as sympathetic as I might be. Oh, but here's the thing.

[Heather Dubrow]

So I feel for the back.

[Lauren Everts]

No, but here's the thing. You say even if it's placebo, you're okay with it. But what if we find out that with prolonged use of exposes you to a greater chance of cancer?

[Michael Bostic]

No, of course that's a concern that people are talking about. And having. Yeah, I mean, honestly at the time I would have gotten that back pain was pretty bad.

[Heather Dubrow]

You would have done anyway.

[Lauren Everts]

You'd have done it anyway.

[Heather Dubrow]

But the thing with the GLP1s is they've been around for so many years because diabetics have used them that they have.

[Lauren Everts]

We have 14 years of data for the GPA.

[Heather Dubrow]

There's a lot of data. This peptide thing is concerning because you really don't know what the long term effects are.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, the ones that can grow things like the growth hormone ones, I think those are the ones you got to be just thoughtful about. Again, I'm not the expert people, the people in the peptide space, we've had them on the show, are going to watch this and be screaming. I mean, I'm just saying I've tried them and those are my experience.

[Lauren Everts]

But I'll tell you, some of the people in the peptide space who come here with the MD FACS certified, we're making it up. We don't know. We don't have data. It's not taught in med school, it's not residency. You were just like flying by the seat of our thing.

[Michael Bostic]

We get a lot of shit for doing this show because we have been skeptical about medical vice, medical advice in general. Just like, not that we don't think there's great doctors and there's a place. But when I hear things like that from somebody who practices the way you do, like I imagine there's a lot of people in medicine that are also kind of just winging it in some areas. And we've seen now like it's it. You really have to be your own kind of.

[Heather Dubrow]

Well, I also think personally that, you know, being a doctor is tough these days. Oh yeah. You know, insurance, you know, what doctors get paid and all of that. And it feels like people want to try to enhance their salaries and so they sell. I mean, that's why you see dentists doing facelifts and you know, OBGYNs doing liposuction and all this crazy stuff that really never used to happen. So now doctors are selling youth, we're selling peptides, we're selling, you know, all this stuff that I. That's scary to me.

[Lauren Everts]

That's a scary great point. But I'm. But no, but I'm. By the way, I'm kind of glad I. Because what doctors did when like OB GYNs, they weren't making any money for the insurance company anymore because the reimbursements were so low, they would start doing let's do liposuction oh, let's. I'll take a weekend course in breast augmentation. Let's start doing faces.

[Heather Dubrow]

Because you have a medical.

[Lauren Everts]

I would rather.

[Heather Dubrow]

You can do anything.

[Lauren Everts]

I'd rather prescribe peptides than put a scalpel on their hand. Do cosmetic surgery.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Does liposuction really work?

[Lauren Everts]

Yes, if it's done in a very particular way under the right circumstances.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Which. Which is what?

[Lauren Everts]

So you have to have relatively tight skin.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

If you have loose skin, it's going to make it worse. If you have a lot of cellulite, it's going to make it worse. So skin laxity critical. And you have to very focal area of what's called lipodystrophy of fat. So let's say you have an area out here and the best liposuction can would be a dolphin because you, you suction the fat and the skin is so tight it's going to just wrap right around the new area.

[Heather Dubrow]

But also, isn't it true that liposuction suction is actually better on, on thinner people? It's not to reduce someone who's larger. It's really for someone who has like a spot resistant area. Someone that's got the tire or the outer thighs or things like that. If the skin's tight, if the skin's.

[Lauren Everts]

Good, that's the perfect candidate. If you don't do it too aggressively.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I would die. If you brought a dolphin on botched and you did liposuction on a dolphin.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, it would have to be a botched dolphin.

[Heather Dubrow]

I think the humane society.

[Lauren Everts]

No, it would have to be a botched dolphin. That's the only way you get up now to get on botched.

[Heather Dubrow]

Maybe if his little fin is.

[Lauren Everts]

So this guy texted me, I know from cnbc. Okay. I'm a fan of him on cnbc. He says a friend of mine, his wife has got a disaster problem and he sends it to me. And it's kind of not, it's, it's, it's bad, but it's not bad enough. Can I botched anymore? To get unbotched you have to be destroyed. Now this, after 10 years, Unbotched has to be really bad.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Like, what's the worst thing you guys have ever seen?

[Lauren Everts]

Unbotched.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

So we had this lady in season three that went to one of those plumping parties. You ever heard of these illegal plumping parties?

[Heather Dubrow]

You ever heard someone say, oh, I've got a girl and we all go to this house?

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, yeah.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Like a Tupperware party.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, right. And have silicone or whatever. And it turned out she was doing that. Turned out to be caulking material from a hardware store. Like cement.

[Michael Bostic]

Like actual caulking.

[Lauren Everts]

Like actual caulking. And people have gone to prison for this. The madam in Florida. So she had all this stuff. Initially, it looked good, and then the immune system started to overreact, and she came in with these masses all over it, like boulders. And no doctor would touch her because they were concerned that if you take it all out, you're going to kill the blood supply to the skin that's going to die, or the nerves are going to end up looking like a stroke, or the immune system is going to go, yes, screw you, and make it worse. So I. We turned it down. Season three, like everybody else did, a season four. I brought her back, and I took an orthopedic saw and sawed the concrete out. Oh. And left the upper a little bit in the upper, a little bit of the lower. And you could kind of feel it, but you feel your bones. Your bones feel like concrete. And she looked so good, Totally normal. That was my biggest success on Box.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

With what you do with that, that must be so satisfying. Like, it's, like, fulfilling.

[Lauren Everts]

It's the best thing that ever happened to me. And it taught me, you know, you get good at what you do all the time. So I became very good at doing impossible surgery. But by the same token, you're taking on cases that if they go badly, everybody's going to go, that wasn't fixable. What were you doing? Human experimentation. You shouldn't have even tried that. Now, though, the impossible is quite normal for us to try, just as long as we apply regular surgical principles. So it's been super rewarding.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Really cool. I want to take a turn. This is like, such a turn. And talk about real estate. Yes. What you guys have done with real estate is so inspiring to me. I don't know a lot about it. I would love to know how you guys got into it, how you think about it, when you know to buy, when you know to sell. I think it's fascinating.

[Heather Dubrow]

We are accidental flippers. We never meant to be.

[Michael Bostic]

We're pretty good at it.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, yeah. We're experts.

[Heather Dubrow]

We never sat down and went, we should buy this house and flip it. Like that really has never been a conversation. Weirdly. We move every three years. Like my twins. I think they've lived in 11 or.

[Michael Bostic]

12 houses just for. Just for variety to switch, just because.

[Heather Dubrow]

It'S how it happened. You know, we got this house we were living in Bel Air. We had the twins. We bought this second place down in Newport so we wouldn't have to commute. And then the market went crazy. So I threw the house on the market. Crazy number. And it sold full price, 10 days. They turned out to be criminals. I have no idea how that deal went through, but it did.

[Lauren Everts]

It did.

[Michael Bostic]

So you just do that, and you're like, if it happens, great. But if not, we're happy in the house.

[Heather Dubrow]

No other houses we had knocks on the door. Honestly, the two we built from the ground up, they were knocks on the door.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So they're knocking at your door saying, can we buy a knock?

[Heather Dubrow]

Literally, Josh, I like the knock.

[Michael Bostic]

I called Bird Dog in Lou.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, the last one. Josh Altman. We did. We're good friends now, but I didn't know him at the time, and he was calling me and blowing up my social media, calling my podcast studio, and I go, who is this guy? Why is he blowing up my. Go, Terry, you call him. And he goes, oh, there's a guy that wants to see your house. And I went, oh, okay. And we. This is the only place we lived in for six years because of the pandemic. This is what's commonly known as Chateau Dubro.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Okay. I was gonna ask you about the iconic one.

[Lauren Everts]

That one.

[Heather Dubrow]

So it was that one. And I designed every square inch of this house, Every ceiling detail, every edge detail, the furniture, everything.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So cool. And no one.

[Heather Dubrow]

And even though it had been on the show and no one really knew the house because we had secret rooms and we had a panic room and things that weren't shown. So I said to Josh, I'm like, yeah, okay, come over. I'll show the house. I went for. I didn't take it seriously. I went for a run. I was, like, sweaty. I had a baseball hat on. And Josh comes in with this gazillionaire and his entourage, and I gave him a tour. Like, I would give it to you. Like, we were in my bathroom, and I opened. I had drawers that warmed my towels.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I already know all about it. I already know all about it.

[Heather Dubrow]

And I was, like, touched it.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I was zooming in. When I saw that, I'm like, oh, my God. She's so good at the details.

[Heather Dubrow]

I love details.

[Michael Bostic]

Is this the one with the mirrors and the screenshotted?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Your mirrors that open up your vanity?

[Heather Dubrow]

Oh, yeah, they open.

[Michael Bostic]

That one.

[Lauren Everts]

That's right.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

See, I've even seen this.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So go ahead.

[Heather Dubrow]

But, like, I would stay up at night and think when I Was designing it. I was like, oh, wait, the door to the shower has to open to the left. Cause the drawer to the warming drawer opens this, like, all. Where the dumb waiter was, like, all these things. And then, of course, I had my ring for champagne in my closet, which rang in the kitchen. But the design flaw was. I don't know who was bringing me the champagne in the kitchen. I don't.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Well, I feel like you need to hire, like, a Jeeves.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, probably.

[Lauren Everts]

We've talked about that.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You need a Jeeves. Like, you know how Patricia had had a Jeeves reference?

[Lauren Everts]

Like the old search Boy, that's.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. Wow.

[Lauren Everts]

Do you still have aol, by the way?

[Heather Dubrow]

You just got off of aol, like, six months ago.

[Lauren Everts]

No, I still use it. I still use.

[Heather Dubrow]

Seriously, the last person using aol. But anyway, so I gave him this, like, amazing tour. And I really didn't think anything of it. And the next day, he made us an offer. We countered. Once made a deal. Third highest sale in Orange county history. And we had to be out in three weeks.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I have a question. This is a little. Another tangent question. When you're in Orange county and I've watched the show forever, and you sell your house, and you've worked so hard on every detail, and it's such an incredible house. And you, like, have to tell your friends in Orange county this. Are they, like, excited for you or is there, like, there's. Come on. There's got to be weird energy with this. They've got to be.

[Heather Dubrow]

Well, it was on the show. I mean, there was definitely weird energy surrounding it.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So there's like. Because I think that what I see as a viewer is, like, you guys have gone to the moon, and then there's maybe people that are, like, want to go to the moon or pretending they're on the moon and they aren't, but you guys, like, are on the moon. So there's like, a jealousy situation going on.

[Heather Dubrow]

Right.

[Lauren Everts]

But that.

[Heather Dubrow]

Isn't that so sad? I mean.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

With my friends that I know are my real friends on and off the show, they're happy for me. It's incredible and inspired, and I am so happy for them. Like, I want everyone to be successful, you know? And I would hope that someone would look at that and be like. Cause this is how I look at people that I aspire to be. I think, wow, if they can do that, I can do that, too. I might have a different road, but I can do it, too.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. But for those of you who live in Schadenfreude, our next project, we lost 6 million on.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You know what, though. But here's again, as a viewer, when. When you guys came out and said that. I like that you guys are showing that because it shows, like you, that life is about ebbing and flowing and there's bumps and this is reality. And you guys had a major accomplishment in Orange county, like, to be the third. You said the third highest sale. That's insane. And then you show this part. Yep, I like it. It shows, like.

[Lauren Everts]

Thank you.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah, it shows ebbs and flows.

[Heather Dubrow]

We've done. I mean, honestly, out of all the homes that we've built, renovated, bought and sold, we are very net positive. But there were, you know, one or two clunkers. You can't win them all.

[Lauren Everts]

Two out of eight.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I think there's, like, such a mess. I'm going to just guess, though, if I'm putting money down, that the next one's gonna be like, there's gonna be something crazy in the next one.

[Heather Dubrow]

No, I. You know, it's funny. We are now living. So we bought this penthouse a couple years before.

[Michael Bostic]

Do you like that after living in houses? I was actually curious about that.

[Heather Dubrow]

I'm obsessed. I never want to see a blade of grass again. Why? Because I've had grass. It's lovely. Someone else can have it now. It's a lot to maintain.

[Michael Bostic]

Yes.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

A lot of work.

[Heather Dubrow]

And as much as I loved that last home, it was 22,000 square feet, and I was the manager of that hotel.

[Michael Bostic]

That's a big. Yeah, that's a big.

[Heather Dubrow]

Huge. And it was a lot. And I don't wanna sound ungrateful, the house was gorgeous. We had a wonderful time there and made so many memories. But, like. And I was always really careful with Terry because he would be at work all day and I would be doing my thing, whatever, with the kids. But when he came home, I made sure there was no staff there.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yes. Because it almost makes it, like, seamless and relaxing for him to get off work.

[Heather Dubrow]

So it was private, but I was with people all day long, so I really never felt alone.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

That is so interesting. So it felt like you were working at a hotel as managing.

[Heather Dubrow]

I was on all. I just felt on all day. Not every day, but most days. And I. We work. The people that work with us are fabulous, and I love them. And they've worked with us for 10 years, 15 years, all the things. But still, sometimes you want to be grumpy and you want to go downstairs, you know, not pulled together or whatever it is. You Know, and so that was a little bit difficult also.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

People are bringing all their different energies and their stuff into your house without them even knowing it.

[Michael Bostic]

She tried to have even just. And this is not the same example, but she tried to have her sister stay with us this time in the hotel. I'm like, listen, no. And I'm like, because I need to be sometimes, you know what you said.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You want to walk around, I want to be walking around.

[Michael Bostic]

I don't want to be wondering what they're going to see me in, what kind of condition.

[Lauren Everts]

But you know what?

[Heather Dubrow]

Totally true. But this penthouse thing.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

All right, tell us about the penthouse.

[Heather Dubrow]

Okay, so this is what happened. So we, it was sort of a lark. We were like, oh, we're gonna find a little pied a terre in la. It'll be our place for someday. We'll stay there now and then it'll be for someday. So we started looking around. I went to every building in Los Angeles and I like real estate and I wanted to see all the buildings. And we hadn't lived here in a really long time, so we saw every building. And then we found this apartment and it was like, you know, the gates opened and the angels were singing and it was so beautiful, perfect. But it's only a two bedroom apartment. It's big, but it's only two bedrooms. And so. And the view is just spectacular. It's like from the Hollywood sign all the way to the full ocean. And it's amazing. And we're high and it's like being in New York but on the west coast. And it's so cool. And there's 10 people downstairs that can help you at any city. Is it in Century City?

[Michael Bostic]

Okay, that place is, that's coming up over there.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's.

[Michael Bostic]

We're just looking at office space. Over.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, it's so, so great. So we bought this place. And 10 days into escrow of buying it, that's when Josh Altman started blowing up my phone for the house. Now, would we have bought that penthouse if we knew we were selling the house? Probably not, no. So now we have this two bedroom and we have four kids. Three are in college, one's in high school. So now what we're doing is so stupid. We rented another apartment in the building and we go up and down on the elevator.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I have 100 questions.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay, so you stay in the main one.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You got.

[Heather Dubrow]

I would love to tell you that we live upstairs and they live downstairs, but I have a 14 year old, so we actually sleep in the rental downstairs. And three of the kids have bedrooms down there. And the dogs live in that apartment with us in the rental. And then I don't even have clothes down there.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Who's in the penthouse with the two bedrooms?

[Heather Dubrow]

So our oldest son lives in LA because he goes to school here. So he has the second bedroom upstairs. Cause he's really not there. So I could still use it as a guest room if I need to. And then our bedroom. No one's sleeping there, but it's my closet and my bathroom. I don't even shower downstairs.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So you guys are going up and down.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yes.

[Michael Bostic]

There's no way the building can connect them. They're not right on top of each other.

[Heather Dubrow]

No, but funny that you asked that. I'm trying to buy the apartment underneath.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Us so you could just. You would just pocket and just do a stair. Stair situation.

[Heather Dubrow]

I would probably put just a spiral stair. But honestly, it's like having a private elevator because we're at the top of our stack. So you can't the other couple of floors above us go to the other elevator stack, if that makes sense. So in our elevator, we're the top floor.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay. Okay.

[Heather Dubrow]

So no one can. And the elevator doors open into your apartment.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

And you don't miss having a home. You like. Like this is like the chapter that you want to do now.

[Lauren Everts]

So for the first three months, I so missed the old house because, you know, you're saying you didn't want relatives in there so you can walk around and do your thing. I remember my kids had 15 friends over. You didn't notice, Couldn't hear him. Yeah. The house was so big, so you could. It was so giant. But then.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Did she explain the behind the scenes that the wizard of Oz was making it?

[Lauren Everts]

I knew about it, like, perfect.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You come home, there's no one there. She's been with people all day long. She wants to blow her head off. Because there's been a million different people and energies and all these people.

[Lauren Everts]

Totally. So I knew about it.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I could see why she likes the path.

[Heather Dubrow]

I mean, I stopped singing because of that house. Cause there was. No, you can't. Our piano was like in the middle of the entryway. And it was like, you know, there was always, just always people.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

And then you started to like the penthouse.

[Lauren Everts]

Now I'm obsessed. You know, you pull up as one of the nicest buildings in la. You know this building, the white one.

[Michael Bostic]

I know what you're talking about.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, you know it. And there's doormen there's like 10 people.

[Heather Dubrow]

And everyone's so nice, and there's amenities.

[Michael Bostic]

And you don't have to worry about safety at all.

[Heather Dubrow]

And there's a party room downstairs, and there's a screening room, and there's a dog run, and there's a gorgeous pool. And we have a cabana at the pool. And it's like living in a hotel, but you have your own space. The only problem for me, honestly, was that we bought the apartment furnished. And because we were a little bit transient, after we sold the house, we were in some rentals in Orange county, and then we were doing that house that failed that we decided not to build. And I hated the fact that it. I felt like nothing was mine. So I finally just. I redesigned the great room in this apartment, and it took a year to do it, and I just finished it. And he's going crazy because she won't.

[Lauren Everts]

Let me go in there.

[Heather Dubrow]

I won't let him.

[Lauren Everts]

Might as well put plastic on the couch.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I totally get that. I literally understand that from my bones. I wouldn't let him go in my office until it was all done.

[Heather Dubrow]

I know. I still. It's done. I won't let him go.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Lauren, why won't you let him go in it when it's done?

[Lauren Everts]

I'm telling you, because I'm dirty or something.

[Heather Dubrow]

No, no, listen. In the, in the. In the Crystal Cove house that, that big house that we sold, everyone was allowed everywhere. There was no precious rooms. It was 22,000ft. We used every square inch of that house. Dogs everywhere, kids everywhere. Nothing was off limits, I think, because this is the first room since that house that feels like me. I love it so much. I almost, like, want to put up ropes and just be like, let's just walk by it.

[Michael Bostic]

Quick break to talk about Wayfair. If there's one thing that I personally love and that I talk about all the time, it is efficiency. Which is why Wayfair is such an incredible partner for us in this show and for you as well. Wayfair is the place to shop for all things home. Everything from sofas to spatulas. You name it, they have it. And you can get up to 70% off during Wayfair's Black Friday sale, which is coming up. That is a massive discount. Wayfair also has styles you can't find anywhere else. No generic pieces you've seen hundreds of times, so you can make your home way more. What I love about this is Wayfair is the go to destination for everything home, no matter your style or budget and you can earn and get the best savings in the neighborhood with Wayfair's new loyalty program. 5% back on every item across Wayfair's brands, free shipping for members only sales and more. Their holidays are coming up. If you want to do that holiday decor and make sure you're ready for hosting, they can help you with that. They also have everything you need to furnish your home, whether it's your living room, outdoor areas, bedroom and and like I said, an incredible holiday selection with cookware and homeware. You really can't go wrong. If you're in the home and you're trying to dial it up for the holidays, if you're moving into a new place, if you're looking for a gift over the holidays, if you're just trying to update the look and feel of your house, Wayfair has you covered. Starting October 30th you can shop wafers. Can't miss Black Friday deals all month long. Plus you can sit back and relax with Wayfair's fast and easy shipping just in time for the holidays. So check it out. Don't miss out on early Black Friday deals. Head to Wayfair.com now to Shopify Wafers. Black Friday deals for up to 70% off. That's W A Y F A I R.com sale ends December 7th.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

One thing about me is I am a thank you card person. I love, love, love thoroughly enjoy giving a thank you card. I love to have my own personal stationary and with that obsession I also love a holiday card. So inter minted. Minted has un matched paper quality and customization options that allow you to uplevel your holiday cards. So what we do every year is we shoot a movie poster with our family and we do something like really funny. So we've done Vacation, we've done Scary Movie. I feel like we've done the usual suspects. We've done some really great movies and I like my paper quality to be amazing. So that is why I personally love Minted. You this is like very me. I want to make a statement when I send a card if I'm going to spend the time on it. And what I like about Minted is you can also add luxurious hand pressed foil accents or you can make an impression like I like to do with minted letterpress designs. Another plus, Minted has free addressing services which makes sending cards so seamless and easy. So all I do is I upload in my contact and Minted will print each address on your envelopes along with a beautiful and I'm talking beautiful coordinating design for free. So they make everything easy. Minted makes everything easier with free recipient addressing. Printing all your loved ones addresses on the envelopes for free. Like I said, a real plus. So stationary or holiday cards. Go check them out for high quality and unique pieces. I love their personalized stationery. Bring your traditions to life with independent art and design. This holiday season. Use code skinny for 20% off minted holiday cards. Use code skinny for 20 off minted holiday cards, gifts and wrapping paper. Again, that's code skinny for 20% off your minted holiday cards, gifts and wrapping paper.

[Michael Bostic]

Let's take a quick break to talk about seven Diamonds. I want to share a brand that's become one of my favorites, seven Diamonds. They're a modern lifestyle brand that creates clothing that fits seamlessly into everyday life. Pieces that look and feel great, comfortable and versatile. Whether you're at work, out to dinner, or just enjoying the weekend. Their clothes make it easy to look put together without thinking too much about it. I really connect with what they're doing and love the assortment of items that they bring to the table. I'm a huge flannel guy. As we get into the holiday season, as we get into the winter months, I love a good flannel and it's hard to find one these days. Seven Diamonds makes one called the Montpelier Overshirt, which I have in size large. It's an incredible flannel that's like thick. You can wear it over another shirt. It's versatile. You can wear it out to dinner, you can wear it in the day. It's warm and it looks cool. I think for anyone thinking about getting a gift for their dad, their husband, their boyfriend, their brother, getting a solid flannel for any man is a win. And seven Diamonds makes an incredible one. It's called the Montpelier. Again, for anyone that's looking for it, you can really tell that seven Diamonds cares about the details, their fabrics, their fit, and the subtle touches that make every piece feel intentional. Like I said about that Montpellier overshirt, and they really highlight the thoughtfulness that goes into each piece. The pieces look refined and polished without being overdone, and it just makes getting dressed all the easier. They have such a wide assortment of clothing. If you don't want the overshirt or the flannel, you can do all sorts of different things. I also have this calfskin over jacket which is rad, and a bunch of their sweaters and T shirts. The pieces fit naturally in my day, look great, feel good to wear, and like I said, it's a great gift for the holiday season. Whether you're shopping for yourself or for the men in your life. Of course we have an incredible offer for this holiday season. Use code skinny20 for 20 off your first order at 7diamonds.com Again that's code skinny for 20 off your first [e-mail]. The 7 is the number, it's not spelled out. 7diamonds.com Check out the link in the show notes. You won't be disappointed.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

This episode is brought to you by the Skinny Confidential. Out of all the products that we have, the one that has changed my life the most, besides mouth taping is our Brow Peptide. So how I initially wanted to bring this to life was I was using castor oil on my brows and lashes to grow them. I had read all about how the Egyptians used castor oil back in the day to grow hair and so I started applying castor oil on my brows and my lashes and I was blown away. So I wanted to create a Skinny Confidential product that yes, had castor oil in it, but I wanted it to be organic and cold pressed. So we found the best castor oil and then I added a peptide to it. So our brow peptides ingredients are really simple, they're straight to the point. And I have to tell you, this product I use twice a day. So I'll do my skincare in the morning before I go to the gym and then right when I'm done, I'll swipe the brow peptide in it and it makes your eyebrows look really youthful and young. I brush them up, they look really pretty. It's kind of the final step to my skincare routine. Then I'll put some lip gloss on and I'm ready to go. And then at night it's also the final step in my skincare routine. So I'll put the brow peptide on, put a little lip mask on, throw on my Skinny Confidential mouth tape and I am good to sleep. I do this every single day, twice a day. And I have noticed such a big difference in the strength of my brow hair and also the fullness. So definitely check it out. You can go to shopskinnyconfidential.com grab the brow peptide. You're gonna want two. I have them in every handbag that I have. That's shopskinnieconfidential.com you should put up ropes around it and not let anyone in but you.

[Heather Dubrow]

That's funny.

[Michael Bostic]

This reminds me a little my mother used to do stuff like this. There was, like, one area in the house that we were not allowed to go in as children.

[Heather Dubrow]

Never been like this.

[Michael Bostic]

Ours is next to the dining room.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I love that for you. I think that you should have that. I also. Don't you like unveiling it, though, to. I like to, like, be like, look what I did.

[Heather Dubrow]

Why do I let people see it? Yeah, you just can't.

[Michael Bostic]

We only got to go in during Christmas. That was like, Christmas was celebrated.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I do hate when people sit on my white couch at my house.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, Lauren had the bright idea with this, the one we're placed when we're moving, but this one we're in. To have three children under five and then get all, like, white furniture.

[Heather Dubrow]

Good plan.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You know what? It hasn't been that bad, Michael. It hasn't been that bad.

[Michael Bostic]

It hasn't been.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

It hasn't been that good.

[Heather Dubrow]

I don't know. For some reason, I didn't care before. Even though that house was, like, very expensive and all the things everyone touched, it was fine. And I know this will be fine, too. I just. I'm enjoying looking at it so much. I don't want anything touched on.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Housewives. I feel like you're the voice of reason and the logic. Does everyone tell you that? Yes, because it's, like, so chaotic. And then you have this person that's, like. Sometimes you'll, like, repeat back to them what they said, and they, like, realize the absurdity sometimes. Sometimes? Well, the audience does.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

The audience realizes the absurdity. It's so absurd. Like, they. The show needs your point of view. What are we gonna do without you?

[Heather Dubrow]

What? Am I leaving?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I don't know. Are you?

[Heather Dubrow]

I don't think so, for some reason.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I thought you said you were leaving.

[Heather Dubrow]

Nope.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Thank God. Oh, I was gonna ask you about that.

[Heather Dubrow]

I mean, unless there's something. I don't know.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I thought maybe you were gonna move to be Beverly Hills on the show.

[Heather Dubrow]

You know what? Here's the thing. You know, people don't really understand distances. It's like, you know, some of the girls live as far as Cota de Caza, right. On our show, which is really far. Is that south?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You guys don't live next door to each other?

[Heather Dubrow]

No. It takes just as long to drive from there to Newport beach as it does from Century City to Newport.

[Lauren Everts]

How many of the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills live in Beverly Hills?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

That's a riddle.

[Heather Dubrow]

Maybe no one.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't know. What do you think?

[Heather Dubrow]

Sutton lives in Bel Air?

[Lauren Everts]

Bel Air. None of Them live in Beverly Hills.

[Heather Dubrow]

None.

[Lauren Everts]

Some live in Pasadena. Right.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

For one reason I thought I saw somewhere.

[Heather Dubrow]

It was a fake people's.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

No. That you said that you were leaving. No, no, no.

[Heather Dubrow]

God. I started this show when my youngest child was 9 months old, and he's turning 15 in December. So these are my girls. This is my family. You know what I mean? Like, I. Yeah, when they asked me. I'm a lie detector, of course, I had told the truth, you know.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

What did they ask you?

[Heather Dubrow]

They asked me if you'd rather be Real Housewives with Beverly Hills. And I said yes. And I go, it's a shorter commute. And, you know I'm joking. Sort of. But look, it worries me sometimes that there's pieces of my life that you don't get to see because I am not currently living in Orange County. I mean, will we end up getting a. Like a beach house down there sometime or whatever? I don't know. You never know.

[Lauren Everts]

We tried to buy seven properties there.

[Heather Dubrow]

Oh, yeah, we did a couple of years.

[Michael Bostic]

I also feel like you're one of the only husbands that has kind of made it through unscathed. Scathed. Meaning, like, you.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You might scavenge.

[Lauren Everts]

I've been scared.

[Michael Bostic]

No, but I mean, like, some of these guys really go on there, and it doesn't end up well for them.

[Lauren Everts]

I, you know, I've learned to hold my tongue a little bit. But even still, I still get. I, you know, when I walk on, I go, oh, what? What are they gonna find out about Newbonnie now that I don't know about?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah, but you are. You are a pro, I think, also because of all the different things you do. You're a pro on tv. Whereas a lot of the husbands maybe.

[Michael Bostic]

Don'T understand, you know, the world of entertainment.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I'm so happy that you're not going anywhere, because Real Housewives, you do bring the glamour. Like me and my girlfriend. She was just in here, the CEO of Skinny Confidential. She, like, loves you. Because there's. There's. There is this glamour and glitz that, like, everyone wants to look at and absorb that you bring to Orange County. And without that, it would not be the same.

[Heather Dubrow]

Well, I appreciate that.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

And the logic.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't. One of the other housewives mentioned that maybe she doesn't fit in because she's a little more liberal than what you'd typically see, conservative wise.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Oh, I just saw that.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. And by the way, that's exactly who you want on the show. Someone who's.

[Heather Dubrow]

You don't want a show that's like six cookie cutter of the same opinion, the same looks, the same, everything. That's so boring. The whole point is it's intersections of people that live in an area and who they are. And, and by the way, the bottom line with our show is it is about conflict and resolution between us, our relationships, our friendships. And you want differing opinions.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I also think to that person's situ what she said. I think I'm not watching the show for anyone's political opinion. And to be honest, I don't really care about anyone's political opinion. Left, right, whatever. You're watching it for me. Like I'm watching it to like, I want to know who be entertained and check out. So I don't think what, I don't think that matters what anyone's political opinion is.

[Heather Dubrow]

It does.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

But you know, everyone's trying to get clickbait for their show.

[Michael Bostic]

I think a lot of that's kind of going down now. People have really, I think got fatigued with that with like the, all the political stuff 24 7.

[Lauren Everts]

Right.

[Michael Bostic]

It's always like, let's. We're talking about this. Like I don't want to pull the political thread.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Right.

[Michael Bostic]

I mean we're talking about with plastic surgery and GLP1s but so somehow people do. Right.

[Lauren Everts]

It's true.

[Heather Dubrow]

But this is escapism. It's exactly what it's for.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's why it's so popular. You want to be able to turn on the TV and half the audience is like, oh, I want to be her. And half the audience is like, woo. Glad I'm not her.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Who are, who is both of your favorite housewives personally on any franchise. Like, who do you guys like?

[Heather Dubrow]

I mean, we just had dinner with Crystal Minkoff and, and Rob Minkoff. Really good friends. But I'll be honest, Cynthia Bailey, Crystal's been on here. We like her, is a good friend.

[Lauren Everts]

So I kind of protect myself. I don't, I don't watch the show so I don't know what conflicts they're having during the season. So when I appear on the show, to me they might all be fighting and liking or not liking each other.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

That's smart.

[Lauren Everts]

So I go and I go, hey, I, I actually like all the Orange County Housewives.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

How are you guys both so logical in such a chaotic atmosphere?

[Heather Dubrow]

Well, listen, there's definitely times, you know, during filming that it. I am not.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I feel like you're pretty. You're. You do. There's a stoicism like A calmness about you where they're all spinning and you're able to, like, be logical and not emotional.

[Heather Dubrow]

I. I mean, mostly, yeah. But there was. You know, I. I guess I was sort of calm then, too. But, you know, I would tell you, like, season 17, maybe, where. That was the season everyone was kind of jumping on top of me.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Remind me of what happened in.

[Heather Dubrow]

It was like, you know, everyone was. It was the year we sold our house. It was that year.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Okay.

[Heather Dubrow]

And everyone was kind of, like, jumping all on top of me and not being nice and all those things. And even though in person, I was really calm. Cause it was just all. I was trying to figure it out, and it was all so weird to me. But at home, I mean, I was devastated. It was so hard.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Meaning you were devastated with how they were treating.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yes.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So it. So when you get off work and you come home, it still comes through.

[Heather Dubrow]

To the house, of course, because you. You cannot sit at a dinner with a bunch of women who are, you know, lambasting you for things you didn't do or twisting things you've said. And. And I know a lot of us go through this, not just me, but in that particular season, you know, this was me. And it was just so devastating. Now, the flip side of it is, I do always say, and I am very cognizant of the fact that at the end of the day, I get to go home. And that was never going home to my big, fancy house or this or that. It's. I get to go home to my husband. I get to go home to my children and to this life. So it doesn't really matter what they are saying about our marriage, our money, my family, whatever it is, it sucks and it hurts, and you get. But when you go home, you go, oh, yeah, I'm home.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. But one of the things that makes you such a great housewife is I can't help myself, the authenticity of it. She's sensitive, she says what she means, and she's kind, and, you know, but.

[Heather Dubrow]

I get my feelings hurt.

[Lauren Everts]

She gets her feelings hurt. And that's one of the reasons they go. They know that they're gonna get a reaction out of Heather, but you know why?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Also. So they go for the jugular.

[Michael Bostic]

You guys have been so great and done so well, is that you guys, from what I can see, we meet a lot of people, have a rock solid relationship, But I think a lot of people that go on these shows, they go in with the relationship, maybe not be. And we've had People come on and admit to that not being so solid, and then they get thrown into that environment with the world judging. And I imagine that is very hard to.

[Heather Dubrow]

I think it polarizes whatever's currently going on in your relationship. Having said that, you go through things. I mean, we had one really bad on the show where off camera, we were just not getting along and really fighting. And it was because of the stress of the show. And we had to have a sit down, come to Jesus moment and say, look, we either have to figure this out or we're getting off the show.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I think, though, in every marriage that's been 20, 27 years, there's Rocky points. And I think people can relate to that. I mean, it's not. If you're gonna be married for 27 years, you have to expect some challenging times. Right. I think the audience, as a viewer, again, I like seeing that authenticity. And then you guys always, to me, come out of it.

[Michael Bostic]

No, but I guess what I'm saying is, like, we've had people on these kind of shows come on and they've said, hey, the marriage was bad, and we thought doing the show would repair it.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's like having a baby.

[Michael Bostic]

And they're like, we do. Yeah, exactly. And they're like, we'll do the thing and that'll make everything okay. And then it just makes everything way worse.

[Lauren Everts]

Definitely.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, definitely.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I would love to round out and end the show with you guys telling us what. Why you think and what the secrets are of. Of. Of being in a partnership like you have for 27 years. I think there's a lot of takeaways for our audience with that.

[Heather Dubrow]

Well, first of all, we met on a blind date, and in December, it will be 29 years from our blind date.

[Lauren Everts]

Really?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

29?

[Heather Dubrow]

You didn't even know that.

[Lauren Everts]

I know the anniversary.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

29 carat ring.

[Lauren Everts]

She still wants a gift.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's not 29.

[Lauren Everts]

For the anniversary of our first date. Okay.

[Heather Dubrow]

I find that anniversary to be more important than the wedding date.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Okay, So I. My first date was when we were 12. So what do I get?

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, you've been together a long time.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

We have not been together since we.

[Michael Bostic]

Were 12, but since we were 20. So almost 20 years.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah. So why do I get.

[Heather Dubrow]

Because that's great. The moment you're together, to me, that's what changed the trajectory of your relationship. So even though, like, on our wedding anniversary we go to dinner, we say something nice, whatever, we don't usually do. We usually take a trip for our wedding anniversary. But, like, the blind date anniversary is like. That was the moment.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Did you hear that?

[Heather Dubrow]

That's the moment.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So what are the.

[Heather Dubrow]

Like, what if we hadn't gotten married for 15 years? So we. It's only. We've been together five years. Like.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah, I agree with her. What are. What. What is the.

[Michael Bostic]

But we didn't meet on a blind date.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

No, but we. We met when I was 12. So start adding it up. At least.

[Heather Dubrow]

Start from 20.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah, at least.

[Michael Bostic]

At least I could do from. Cause there were some rocky patches there between 12 and 20.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah. I say.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

Puberty and let's say 20. Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

So what do you think makes your partnership so rock solid?

[Heather Dubrow]

I think that for me, I mean, first of all, we're best friends. Yeah, we really are.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

You could tell you like each other.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, we love each other. I mean, we like each other. We love each other. We really respect each other. And look, we've 29 years. Good days, bad days. Good years, bad years. That is just the truth. We had a. I don't want to get too into it, but we had a thing a few weeks ago where we got into an argument and it went really south. And we were very polite to each other for two weeks. And then we had this big conversation and da, da, da, da. But coming on the other side of it, I said to him, I think last night, I was like, that sucked so badly because when I'm upset or I'm happy or whatever, I wanna call you, but I'm mad at you. But as much as that sucked, when you come out the other side of something like that, you're so much closer and you go to, like, the next level. And sometimes that just needs to happen. And maybe there's things that, you know, are bugging you or whatever, but you don't bring them up because it's not really worth it. And then sometimes, you know, you clash and it all comes out and that happens. And it's how you get through it. It's how you learn how to fight with each other, how you make up, and how you really then need to let it go.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

It's a big accomplishment to be together as long as you guys have been. It's not. It's very rare.

[Lauren Everts]

I. I've noticed that a lot of celebrities are divorcing now, right? At this stage. Yes.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Like, at the stage that you guys are at.

[Lauren Everts]

Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Oh, that's an interesting.

[Heather Dubrow]

Lori Laughlin and Mossimo.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I didn't know that.

[Lauren Everts]

Hugh Jackson almost exactly at this point. Yeah. I think there's that seven year old.

[Heather Dubrow]

This is an inflection point.

[Lauren Everts]

This is an inflection point, I think.

[Michael Bostic]

Do you think it's in a.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Careful.

[Michael Bostic]

Maybe this is a question for. I was thinking about some of those. Do you think it's when the kids start to kind of like leave and they become.

[Lauren Everts]

That's a big inflection point for sure. Because then you're left with yourselves.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Right?

[Heather Dubrow]

We've always been really good at dating each other and prioritizing our marriage. And I mean, look, I love our kids. We have great kids. But, you know, he jokes like he's ready. We have three gone, one in high school. He's like, the other one could go like, we're ready to be empty nesters. Go, go, go. But he's saying, true, but I mean, it's not that I want to kick him out, but it's like we are now seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. This is our fourth time going through high school and we're ready.

[Lauren Everts]

So my advice, my thing is that you have to. It's all about your expectations, right? You should expect to have challenges. And then when they happen, expect, if you try that, this too shall pass. You know, I love that phrase. Even with the good stuff or the bad stuff, this too shall pass. Don't expect it to stay the same. And you have to learn how to evolve through it. And, you know, a lot of it's chemistry. We have very good chemistry. I know you guys obviously do too, but like, when we get into a thing, I, I literally forget about it. The next day, I can't even remember what it was about. And I'm stewing and she's stewing. And so the thing that bothers me most about fighting is I know she has her process that's going to go two weeks. I'm going, oh, I'm screwed for the next two years.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, that's you. It's like, okay, I can move on in 20 minutes. I'm like, this is gonna be a four hour morning of this. But I'm just, and I'm not even really upset.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I'm just like, all you guys both have to do is say, yes, dear. It's that easy.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, really?

[Michael Bostic]

She asked me the other day, she goes, why can't you like, just be like, you're so stubborn. It'd be easier if you just said, yes, dear. Like, how long do you want to fight for? I'm like, forever? Like, I'm just never.

[Lauren Everts]

I. Oh, you want to. You're the.

[Michael Bostic]

I Don't want to fight, but I'm too stubborn to.

[Heather Dubrow]

Like, you're digging in.

[Michael Bostic]

I'm digging in. I know it's at my destroyer. I'm like a masochist or something. I know it's.

[Heather Dubrow]

You gotta choose those battles.

[Michael Bostic]

I do. But I do let go. I won't dig in.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Give them that advice.

[Michael Bostic]

And also, I think our dynamic is I let things go, like, immediately.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Once it's done.

[Heather Dubrow]

I think it's a Mars Venus thing, honestly.

[Lauren Everts]

And she hangs.

[Michael Bostic]

She hangs.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I'm not letting stuff. You have. You can't. You have to not let stuff go, because then you have to create a boundary. It's like a dog. You have to. Like. If anybody gets a hold of our.

[Michael Bostic]

Text threads or they keep doing, they're.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Gonna be like, yeah, the text threads are.

[Michael Bostic]

It's like a machine gun of text.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

The other day I used Chat GPT. I was like, hey, chat. This is what my husband did today. He pissed me off so bad. How would you respond to really nail the point across chat GPT worked on a response for me. I sent that response.

[Michael Bostic]

My response like, okay, got it. Sorry. Can we move?

[Heather Dubrow]

Like, we did that once as a joke, remember?

[Lauren Everts]

Yes.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, that's so funny.

[Lauren Everts]

Go ahead with. We do fight sometimes. Sometimes, you know, the tone is not good. So if you separate and start texting, it can be better because it takes some of the tone out of it.

[Michael Bostic]

Oh, no. She's got a good tone in her text.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, Sometimes I can infer tone in text.

[Michael Bostic]

The text.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, yeah, the. Okay, fine.

[Heather Dubrow]

My least favorite word is sure.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I also have another hot tip. If he annoys me so bad, I've blocked him.

[Lauren Everts]

Wow.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I'm a savage.

[Heather Dubrow]

You blocked him on Instagram?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

No, I blocked him on text.

[Michael Bostic]

No, her text, she'll block.

[Heather Dubrow]

You could do that.

[Michael Bostic]

So I can't even get a hold of her. It just goes like.

[Heather Dubrow]

The text goes green.

[Michael Bostic]

The message.

[Lauren Everts]

I will go.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I'm like a firefighter, by the way.

[Heather Dubrow]

He would never know. Be able to figure out.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Oh, he couldn't figure it out, though.

[Lauren Everts]

If I did that, he would need one of our. That would light you up.

[Heather Dubrow]

No, that would not be.

[Michael Bostic]

If I blocked you, you would.

[Heather Dubrow]

No, no, no.

[Michael Bostic]

He's fucking shit.

[Heather Dubrow]

That's why, you know, every once in a while, they're like, everyone on Housewives, they say their husbands are cheating on them. We all get that. So they were saying about him once, and I'm like, do you know my husband? If he were having an affair, I would have to Book the hotel. I would have to make sure his sleep mask was there and a fan was in the room and there were out shades. I'd have to call and make sure he has room in his surgeries. It would never happen.

[Lauren Everts]

I walk around life like this.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

He has a fan in his room at night. Yes, he is, by the way.

[Lauren Everts]

So do you.

[Heather Dubrow]

We like it snowing in the room.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Okay.

[Heather Dubrow]

Cold fans, an electric blanket.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Oh, electric blanket.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yes.

[Michael Bostic]

Why don't you get an eight sleep?

[Heather Dubrow]

A what?

[Michael Bostic]

An eight sleep. They would give you guys one of those.

[Heather Dubrow]

What's that?

[Michael Bostic]

Oh, my God. It's the best thing. It's a mattress cover and it puts water through the. And you don't feel the water, but it adjusts cold and hot. So in the night it makes it really cold. And in the morning it wakes you up with warm. And you could set it to warm the whole night if you want. So you don't even need an electric. It puts you.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

It cools your body temperature.

[Lauren Everts]

We also like the moving air and.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

The white noise of L. They like the movement. I totally get what you're saying. They like the movement of the fan and the sound of the fan. But innate sleep is good too. I like it because you can program different sides for what you. If he likes this side, so that's.

[Heather Dubrow]

What we do too. So I've got my heating blanket on high and I have it off and.

[Lauren Everts]

I have a leg over.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

And then I go, oh, that's a little too warm. And I go like this.

[Michael Bostic]

No. But, you know, I think I see a lot of our friends that are our age now that are still single, and they, like, nitpick at the littlest things sometimes in a relationship. And it's like, if one little thing goes wrong, it's like, not out to the next. I'm like, it's not always. You know, there's problems with every other. Like, my philosophy is like, there's grass isn't always greener. You have to deal with another round of issues with another person. We put in so much time. Just. Just work through it.

[Lauren Everts]

But that's very good advice. You don't sweat the small stuff, and it's easier said than done. Yeah, but just when they do that thing, just go, you know, be the Hot for Teacher video. You probably don't know what that from Van Halen, where the kid starts the video like this. Just do that and let it go and. Because it's not important anyway.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Well, between the two of you two, it's never boring. I can Tell you that after interviewing you, it's never boring. That's how you keep. It's spicy. Where can everyone find everything you're working on your skincare line. Tell us about your new YouTube show, your books, your podcast, everything.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yes. So our podcast is called between us. It's on iHeart or wherever you get your podcasts. Then our YouTube show is going to be exclusively on my channel. So if you just go to Heather Dubrow, you subscribe, please. And it's coming. I don't know what the drop date is, but it's coming out in a few weeks. Weeks? The first episode. And it's really fun.

[Lauren Everts]

What's it called?

[Heather Dubrow]

Oh, and it's called Dr. And Mrs. Guinea Pig.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Cute. Yeah, you guys are funny together on.

[Heather Dubrow]

Tick Tock and Instagram when our kids don't think so.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, we're so cringy to them.

[Michael Bostic]

What are the things you're gonna do outside? Like the.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, so we're gonna try NAD creatine.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

Weighted vests, NAD peptides, bad breath treatments, sunscreen. Yep. We're gonna do crash diets.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

That's gonna be hard.

[Michael Bostic]

Are you going to do the nadiv?

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Good luck.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Why? Because it makes you feel like you're going to shit your pants.

[Michael Bostic]

No, it does. I keep telling you, it doesn't feel good.

[Heather Dubrow]

I need that. That's fine.

[Lauren Everts]

But, you know.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Ooh, I don't know. Michael said it, like. What is it?

[Michael Bostic]

No, it just feels like someone. Well, here's the thing. It's weird. It feels like they're squeezing your stomach, but I've had different reactions. One time I felt like that one day I got really congested in my face.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, it's a histamine response.

[Heather Dubrow]

I have a friend that's got a jaw thing with it, too.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, I try to do it fast.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I'm going to let you guys be the guinea pig, and then I'll just. Just do whatever you guys tell me.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's like our pain for your pleasure. We're gonna try it out. So you. But we'll tell you.

[Lauren Everts]

But we're subjecting it to real clinical science.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah. I feel like that's another Netflix series or something.

[Heather Dubrow]

Could be. Oh, and resistant carbs.

[Lauren Everts]

Yo, we did resistant. You heard about this?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

What's that?

[Lauren Everts]

So you ever heard about resistance? So carbohydrates break down into sugars. I mean, sugar's bad, right? So there's this theory called resistant carbs, that if you take a carbohydrate like bread, and you heat it to make it. And then you cool it down. It changes the molecular structure of it.

[Heather Dubrow]

So it has less carbs.

[Lauren Everts]

So. So it's harder to digest. But it tastes the same way when you reheat it. And it has a lower glycemic index, there's less glucose and the calories are less. That's what they say. We're testing that. We did test it, by the way.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, but you have to wait. You have to.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Yeah, that one.

[Heather Dubrow]

I talk to Dr. Mrs. Guinea Pig on Heather Dubrow YouTube channel.

[Lauren Everts]

We're going to tell you how to eat your carbs and manipulate your carbs so they taste the same.

[Heather Dubrow]

Because here's the thing.

[Lauren Everts]

But you absorb less.

[Heather Dubrow]

We go out to dinner with people, we get DMs all the time. Like, what are you doing for this? How do you do that? I can't. Like, you can't answer everyone. But then we started talking about it because obviously we talk amongst ourselves. What do we want to do to stay young? Healthy longevity, all the things. So now we're just testing them all and showing you.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I mean, after four children, I want to look like this. So I will definitely be watching.

[Michael Bostic]

We're gonna go to four.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Oh, I don't know. You just. I. Well, I. I have three. She's four. I'm saying after four children, if she looks like this, I'm hearing that we.

[Michael Bostic]

Could go to four.

[Lauren Everts]

Then it sounds like you have the opportunity to be. Have your tubes tied, probably. You were asked, weren't you?

[Michael Bostic]

Then you can avoid the middle.

[Heather Dubrow]

Do you have a C section?

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

I had vaginal births. Oh, I don't have ozempic vulva at this moment.

[Lauren Everts]

There's plenty of time.

[Heather Dubrow]

There's still time.

[Heather Dubrow (Host)]

Thank you guys so much for coming on the show. Come back anytime you want.