Gary Vaynerchuk: The Truth About AI, Social Media, & How to Think Clearly in a Digital World

Summary

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The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show

Episode: Gary Vaynerchuk: The Truth About AI, Social Media, & How to Think Clearly in a Digital World
Release Date: January 12, 2026
Hosts: Lauryn Evarts Bosstick & Michael Bosstick
Guest: Gary Vaynerchuk

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Episode Overview

This wide-ranging, energetic episode features Gary Vaynerchuk (Gary Vee) returning for a candid discussion with Lauryn and Michael Bosstick. The trio explores the realities and myths of AI, strategies for navigating social media and technology, generational mindset shifts, the roots and solutions for insecurity and entitlement, the importance of accountability, parenting, and the necessity of radical self-awareness. Sprinkled throughout are signature Gary Vee truth bombs, real-life anecdotes, and a few laugh-out-loud moments, all delivered in their trademark unfiltered style.

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Key Themes & Topics

1. The Truth About AI & Technology Adoption

• AI as Evolution, Not Apocalypse

  • Gary draws historical parallels between current fears about AI and public panic over technologies like electricity.
  • Quote: "When electricity was invented... most people would not bring it into their home... because they demonized it." (02:00)
  • Human fear of change is a constant; technology will evolve regardless of resistance.

• Winners Adapt, Losers Stagnate

  • The rise of AI will create winners and losers—those who learn and leverage it will thrive.
  • Practical Advice: Influencers and creators should proactively learn AI tools rather than fear replacement.
  • Example: Creating an AI dog influencer ("Ruff Ruff") can open new revenue streams. (04:30)

• AI’s Positive Impact

  • Gary details how AI’s biggest wins may be "invisible," such as breakthroughs in medical diagnosis.
  • Quote: "God forbid someone you love has a disease... AI will figure out, and you will be very happy." (02:50)

2. Embracing Change & Life Philosophy

• Detachment from Material Metrics

  • Gary emphasizes the irrelevance of likes, status symbols, or follower counts in building a genuinely happy life.
  • Quote: "You're gonna be 90, and I promise you, how many likes and... zeros in your bank account... is not going to be it." (05:30)
  • True success is measured by joy, relationships, and inner peace, not external validation.

• Evolution is Inevitable

  • Consistent with his approach to technology, Gary frames life as constant flux; resisting change is futile.
  • Quote: "What do you think, just because you’re alive right now... the world stops during your life? Shit’s going to change." (07:22)

3. Insecurity, Parenting, and the Root of Fear

• Fear of Uncertainty Stems from Insecurity

  • Gary suggests that most fear is rooted in insecurity, and that poor parenting is a frequent cause.
  • Quote: "Parenting is uncomfortably important." (07:43)

• Unconditional Love with Accountability

  • Reflecting on his own upbringing, Gary endorses parenting that is both loving and realistic—avoiding “delusion shit.”
  • Quote: "Unconditional love, but not this fucking delusion shit." (08:50)
  • False praise (e.g., “You can do anything!”) eventually backfires.

4. Staying Positive & Why It Matters

• Nature vs. Nurture—and Changing Both

  • Positivity is rooted in upbringing and DNA, but Gary stresses effort and intent can transform one’s disposition.
  • Quote: "What I don't like is when people use the excuse of DNA to not work on making it better." (10:55)

• Physical and Emotional Discipline

  • Used his own struggle with healthy habits as proof that change is always possible with sustained effort.
  • Admission: “Even though my DNA... wants to be a puss when it comes to going to the gym, I have worked hard for 12 years...” (12:24)

5. The Power of Change and Impact

• People Can Change—That’s the Mission

  • Gary’s entire public persona is based on inspiring meaningful change in others.
  • Quote: “If people did not have the ability to change, I would not be known... because I would not be intoxicated to say something that can change the course of someone’s life.” (15:22)

• Impact Beyond Business

  • He gets emotional about fans (and even abusers) who say his content changed their lives.
  • Quote: "Do you know how many men over the last 10 years have told me they’ve stopped physically abusing their woman because of my content?" (16:45)

6. Materialism, Status, and External Validation

• Why Status Symbols Fail

  • Pursuit of cars, watches, and bags is often symptomatic of deeper insecurity—true fulfillment comes from within.
  • Quote: “What I'm worried about... is needing a fucking product bag to make people think you're that person.” (20:52)
  • “Everyone’s stuck in middle school forever.” (21:14)

• Accountability Over Victimhood

  • Anyone blaming others (especially on social media) for their outcomes is avoiding ownership.
  • Quote: “Everything that’s wrong in my life is my fault, and it makes me happy as fuck.” (62:04)

7. Social Media & Algorithm Myths

• Your Feed Reflects You

  • Social media algorithms are a mirror, not a manipulator—what you see is what you engage with.
  • Quote: “Your feed is not changing you. The platforms are not manipulating you. They're exposing who you are.” (71:42)
  • Live Experiment: The hosts search for “kittens,” “love,” “sunshine,” and “Gary Vee,” like a few posts, then observe how their feeds change. (68:13–71:38)

• Interest Media, Not Social Media

  • Gary proclaims a new era, where your interests—not whom you follow—dictate your feed.
  • Quote: "We are in the era of interest media... you’re getting content of the things you like." (72:41)

• Stop Blaming the Algorithm

  • Anyone frustrated with their feed can transform it with conscious engagement.
  • Memorable Analogy: “Don’t blame people. You’re the one that likes buttholes.” (73:17)

8. Entitlement, Parenting, and Generational Mindsets

• Modern Entitlement and Consequences

  • Gary observes the decline of consequences and rise of entitlement, especially in parenting.
  • Quote: "The biggest issue in the world right now is lack of consequences... I love when people get punched in the face... humans need consequences." (49:21–49:44)

• Parenting as a Macro Theme

  • The trend of “over-coddling” kids is a frequent source of adult unhappiness—even among the wealthy.
  • Story: Rich young adults DM Gary to confess their parents’ support makes them feel incapable. He tells them: "Stop taking the money." (59:32–60:47)

• Accountability is Addictive

  • “Accountability is the most addicting word to me. I would inject accountability into my lips.” (74:40)

9. Radical Self-Awareness & Living Authentically

• Self-Awareness as a Superpower

  • Gary credits impact, growth, and resilience to ruthless self-awareness—warts and all.
  • Quote: “Extreme self-awareness... is a superpower for you.” (38:11)
  • No one should be put on an impossibly high pedestal.

• Intuition Over Analysis

  • Trusting gut instinct is framed as more essential than logical analysis; ignoring intuition leads to regret.
  • Quote: “I’m completely convinced... your intuition and your gut is your primary brain, and your brain is your secondary brain.” (65:52)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On AI/Tech Fear: "Humans are scared of everything. It’s what we do." (01:36)
• On Death & Life: "I don't know if you guys know this. Like, everybody in the room, all six of us, we're gonna die. Like, good morning!" (05:11)
• On Parenting: "Telling a child you could do anything... actually makes them not believe you eventually." (08:50)
• On Positivity: "When you’re laying in your bed doom scrolling and... being scared, like you think you’re doing anything, like what good is coming of that?" (10:13)
• On Changing Content Feeds: “Social media doesn’t exist anymore... we are in the era of interest media.” (72:36)
• On Entitlement: "You have people literally blaming boomers on TikTok whose parents are paying their rent." (57:46)
• On Victimhood: "If you’re in a great situation financially... if it’s bothering you, you DO have control." (61:33)
• On Self-Awareness: “Everybody else sucks too. That’s the yes!” (30:26)
• On Judgment & Authenticity: “In a world where everyone wants to be understood immediately, I do not have the audacity to think that people should understand me right away.” (39:21)
• On Social Media Blame: “Don’t blame people. You’re the one that likes buttholes.” (73:17)
• On Accountability: “Everything that’s wrong in my life is my fault, and it makes me happy as fuck.” (62:04)
• On Political/Parental Pessimism: “Politicians say, ‘You’re not capable... I can help you.’ I live a life of... ‘You can help you.’” (75:06)

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Notable Segments with Timestamps

• [01:30–05:42] – AI Fear, Technological Parallels, Life Philosophy
• [07:22–09:16] – Generational Change, Parenting, and Social Evolution
• [15:06–17:05] – The Power of Personal Change
• [21:14–22:02] – Materialism, Status, & Social Media FOMO
• [30:26–31:43] – Radical Self-Awareness, No One Belongs on a Pedestal
• [49:01–50:04] – Parenting Approaches, Consequences, and the Problem with "Gentle Parenting"
• [62:04–63:46] – Accountability vs. Victimhood, Politicians, and the Power of Choice
• [68:13–73:17] – Interactive Social Feed Reset and Algorithm Truths
• [74:40–75:06] – Accountability as Superpower, Mic Drop Moment
• [76:21–79:57] – Gary’s Kids Content, AI Voice, Playful Banter on VeeFriends and Cartoons

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Final Takeaways

• Change—whether through AI, culture, or within yourself—is inevitable. The real winners are those who embrace learning, personal responsibility, and adaptability.
• Social media is not evil but a mirror. Your environment is shaped by your actions—curate wisely.
• True contentment and success come from inner fulfillment, relentless self-awareness, and the willingness to confront hard truths.
• Parenting, societal influences, and generational habits matter, but the power (and the onus) to change your circumstances ultimately remains with you.

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Closing Vibe

The episode is raw, motivational, and filled with practical truths for navigating a fast-changing digital world—and a timeless call to take the reins on your own happiness, relationships, and destiny.

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For more:

• Visit veefriends.com/cartoons for Gary’s kids’ content
• Gary’s recommendation: Take 15 minutes to reset your algorithm and notice the difference tomorrow
• Remember: "You can help you. The end." (75:06)

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Transcript

[Michael Bostick]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production.

[Lauren Everts]

She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Fantastic.

[Lauren Everts]

And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostick.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Are bringing you along for the ride.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Lauren Everts]

Welcome to the Skinny Confidential.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Him and her.

[Lauren Everts]

Hello, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. Today we have one of our favorite recurring guests. Honestly, one of our favorite people as well. Gary Vaynerchuk, back on the podcast. Also known as Gary V. He is the founder of VaynerMedia, creator and CEO of Vee Friends, and a six time New York Times bestselling author. And he's a leading voice in business, culture, media marketing, consumer trends, many things, how to be self aware, all sorts of stuff. Gary has become a friend over the last decade, a mentor. And Lauren and I love getting the chance to talk to him with that.

[Michael Bostick]

Gary Vee, welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show.

[Lauren]

This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

All right.

[Michael Bostick]

I don't know how we're gonna top the last one we did with you because that was probably one of our favorite shows we've ever done.

[Lauren Everts]

You make it easy.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You're very sweet.

[Michael Bostick]

Welcome back.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Thank you.

[Michael]

So we have you in the hot seat today.

[Lauren]

This is the hot seat.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

It does get hot in the studio.

[Michael]

I think we just hop right into it. First, I have to say congratulations.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Thank you.

[Michael]

On marriage. Mona. Love Mona.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I know.

[Michael]

Let's get right to it. AI.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes.

[Michael]

Everyone's freaking out about it. I like your positive spin on it. What's your positive spin?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

My positive spin is practical. I don't know if it's so positive. I think it's. This is actually nice. There's a lot of electricity in this room. Very good lighting. You guys are good at that kind of stuff. I'm horrible at that. By the way. Mona always makes fun of me. She's like, you look so horrible. But he's great. I'm like, I don't care. Do you know that when electricity was invented and, like, kind of like available, that most people would not bring it into their home even though they could afford it and could because they demonized it? Because the word on the street was if you brought electricity into your home, it would bring demons. This is literally like five minutes ago. This is like the literally early 1900s. You know, like humans are scared of everything. It's what we do.

[Lauren]

Do you remember when MySpace came out.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And they said, don't go on it because you're going to get kidnapped at the mall. Like, we demonize everything. Now, look, this is a profound technology. Like, like, there will be AI influencers that are not real people, that are owned by entrepreneurs, that are gonna get brand deals, that a lot of people that are listening right now make their money that way. And that's real life. But there was also almost a hundred thousand people that sold advertising in the Yellow Pages before Google put them out of business. Like, things are always happening in our society, and I think it's the same thing as always. There will be people that will learn how to use AI and that will be good, and many great things will happen with AI. God forbid someone you two love has a disease that a normal human being doctor could not figure out, that AI will figure out, and you will be very happy. In 17 years that AI was invented, there will be things that people don't like, right? I'm very empathetic to people. Like the robots and like this and like a police state or, you know, I'm an influencer. I make my money like this or something. Like, like, it's just.

[Lauren]

I don't know if people understand. Like, you two are building a podcast.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Network that is taking money away from people that work at radio stations, right?

[Lauren]

This is called life evolution. There's yin and yang to everything. And more importantly, and I need everyone to hear this. It's not gonna not happen like this.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This is not a strategy for life.

[Michael]

Right?

[Lauren]

Like, AI is coming and everyone who's.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Listening has a couple of decisions like, okay, let's go back to the influencer, because I think it's contextual to this. You're listening right now and you're like.

[Lauren]

Like, you know, Gary Vee's been right a lot, so he's probably right. Like, I'm. I'm in trouble.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You're.

[Lauren]

You might not be in trouble.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You might be a fitness influencer who happens to be attractive, who has 500,000 followers and has, you know, built this micro business. But if you're listening to me, maybe you decide to spend 30, 40 hours, a hundred hours getting educated on how to create AI influencers, and you might.

[Lauren]

Create your AI puppy, Ruff Roof and start integrating Ruff Ruff the AI dog into your content. And. And Roof. Roof might go crazy. And you might make a million dollars a year from pet brands because of Roof roof instead of $80,000 a year from supplements.

[Michael]

It sounds like the ones that are going to win are the ones that use it as a tool to enhance what they're already doing.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

I think also, like, it sounds like.

[Lauren]

The computer, like the Internet, like social media.

[Michael]

I think it sounds great. Honestly, it's like an assistant.

[Michael Bostick]

It sounds like you're assistants. It's not going to stop or slow down, so you might as well just make peace with.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Honestly, that's my big thing. It's kind of like life. Like, I don't know if you guys know this. Like, everybody in the room, all six of us, we're gonna die. I don't know if you know this, but we're gonna. Good morning, Gary.

[Michael Bostick]

Good morning.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes, good morning.

[Lauren]

We are gonna die at some point. Yes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's stunning.

[Lauren]

My big thing is, if you know that, why not, like, try to, like.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Live a joyful life and, like, can.

[Lauren]

We get out of all this materialistic.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And keeping up with the jo.

[Lauren]

Like, like, you're gonna be 90, and I promise you, how many likes and how many verified accounts and how many zeros in your bank account and how.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Many watches and, like, how many SNE bags you have?

[Lauren]

It's not going to be it. And so, like, for me, and you.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Guys have known me a long time, at this point, I've always been uncomfortably detached from all of the Gary Vee of it and the success.

[Lauren]

Like, I just want to live a.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Happy life and, like, be nice and you can, like, enjoy it and, like, watch my jets lose and, you know, hang out with friends and just like.

[Lauren]

And I just.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That philosophical point of view on life is kind of how I'm trying to get everybody to understand AI this is going to happen.

[Lauren]

It's happened. And you can sit there and be.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Crippled right now, listening to the world and saying, like, robots are going to kill me and, like, I'm going to lose my job or something I believe in, which is. That bothers people.

[Lauren]

I believe that someone in this room's.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Grandchildren are going to marry an AI human.

[Michael]

Really?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. I think that lovely baby you just had the other day likely could marry an AI robot.

[Michael]

Ah, I feel like I would sabotage that.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I think you try until you realize the robot was way more powerful.

[Michael Bostick]

I mean, listen, maybe I'll have a second act. You never know.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It could be.

[Lauren]

It could be. You know, what I'm saying is the.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

World is going to change.

[Lauren]

But I will say this.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

If your great great grandmother, miraculous. If AI created a potion that you could put into graves and people start popping out of them and they're alive, and your great great grandmother, you were, like, very excited about this. I'm like, here it is. This new invention in 20 years.

[Lauren]

If she popped up and looked around, she'd be like, what the is going on? Yeah, the world changes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, cavemen lived once.

[Lauren]

Like, we used to not have planes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No one had a television.

[Lauren]

Just 150 years ago. Like, it's like, I don't know how people don't understand evolution and like technology. Like, what do you think? Just because you're alive right now and.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Listening to this podcast, the world stops during your life?

[Lauren]

Shit's going to change.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

The rules constantly get rewritten because of technology.

[Lauren]

And here the fuck we are.

[Michael]

Why do you think people are so afraid of uncertainty?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Because most people are insecure.

[Michael]

Why?

[Lauren]

Because most people are not parented.

[Michael]

Well, you think that's the root of it?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I do. I think parenting is uncomfortably important.

[Michael]

How do you think about parenting?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

By trying to realize I was remarkably parented around optimism but accountability. And I try to reenact those kind of behaviors with my children while understanding their circumstances are very different than mine. Right. My kids live a very different life than I did.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You know, not forget about the wealth and the technology and just like the parenting, you know, like, every dynamic is different. Like, you know, the sibling count how many cousins I had no cousins. They have unlimited cousins. Like, you know, they have a dad who is like publicly known. My son thinks it's cool. My daughter hates it. Like, life. Like, you know, like, I don't know, like, but. But what I focus on is definitely what my mom did well, which was unconditional love, but not this fucking delusion shit. Like, parents overreact. Like, your parents, your kids can't do everything. Telling a child you could do anything, you could be anything actually makes them not believe you eventually.

[Michael]

Michael can't be a basketball player, nor.

[Lauren]

Can I, but he could be a male model. Look at this face. Look at this motherfucker's face.

[Lauren Everts]

I might have missed my cl.

[Lauren]

You know, I find your husband very attractive. He's a good looking dude. For me. He's a good looking dude. What do you like?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And so.

[Lauren]

And by the way, a lot of other people can't be a male model. Like, and other people can be like, you know, an Olympian or a cook. Like, I, you know.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Anyway, parenting has overcorrected most parents.

[Lauren]

Listen, the world is at its best. Companies are at their best.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Relationships are at their best. The world is at its best when it's purple.

[Michael Bostick]

Yes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And the world has gotten remarkably good in being an extremely red and extremely blue. And that is why shit's fucked up.

[Michael Bostick]

I wanted to Talk. Like you said, we've known you a long time now and you know this. We've admired you for our entire careers and just love everything you put out there. But one of the things that we.

[Lauren Everts]

Admire most, and I almost don't even.

[Michael Bostick]

Need these note cards, is you have always had a perspective of focusing on the positive, even when a lot of the world and a lot of what's online focuses on the negative. To your point, red and blue. And I would love for you to share how you came to that perspective. Is that a parenting thing? And also why you think it's so much more productive to think that way, even though so many people are drawn to focus on bad shit.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's funny how I'm smiling. There's not one person listening nor in this room right now that is confused by the concept of like why it's more productive to focus on positive versus negative. Like when you're laying in your bed doom scrolling and like tearing up and being scared, like you think you're doing anything, like, like what good is coming of that? Yes, it's fully parenting in the luck of DNA.

[Lauren]

Like my mom, my sister's only three.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And a half years younger than me. My mom parented, I watched my mom parent both of us. I'm much more positive to my sister.

[Michael Bostick]

So what do you think is that three and a half year different?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I think that's just DNA. Like I think my sister has a little bit more of my father and my grandma in her and I have more of my mother. And so like DNA is real.

[Lauren]

Like DNA is real.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, like it's part of it now. What I don't like is when people use the excuse of DNA to not work on making it better. In my DNA, I had from both of my parents and everyone in my family the complete lack of interest of working out in any shape or form. My family.

[Lauren]

I've never saw anyone in my family in my life physically.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Let's go to the gym.

[Lauren]

I had 38 and a half.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I love that I always say half.

[Lauren]

It's like I'm six and a half at 38 and a half.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I just had an epiphany of like.

[Lauren]

Oh fuck, if I don't address this.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I will not live to 100.

[Lauren]

I still might not. I love when people are like, well a tree could fall on your head.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes, a tree can fall on your head. But what is guaranteed is if you.

[Lauren]

Eat like shit and never go to.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

The gym and never build up muscle, that bad shit will happen. And I took it on me to some brother. I missed my workout this morning. Literally texted Mike at 6:30 and was like, I'm gonna sleep in because I.

[Lauren]

Felt like I needed sleep.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But that's my excuse.

[Lauren]

That's how much I hate the gym.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Even though I've been crushing it lately. I'm pretty happy and I'm a seven days, like.

[Lauren]

Cause I, cause if I miss a.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Day like I did today, like now tomorrow's gonna be harder.

[Lauren Everts]

So you don't wanna schedule three days.

[Michael Bostick]

Ms. A day and then you're like.

[Michael]

Yeah, I do that too. I sch. Seven days. Because then if you miss a day.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Then you have a little seven.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, I'm seven. But, but I'm not. You know, for all the health and wellness nerds, like, you know, one day is a stretch day. Like, like I'm doing like, you know, fascia work. Like it's not seven days of weights because your body can break down.

[Michael Bostick]

You're just doing something active.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes, but I, even though my DNA like this morning, it wants to be a puss when it comes to going to the gym. I have worked hard for 12 years and now it's a real part of my life and I've massively felt the benefits of it.

[Lauren]

I would, I am so thrilled that I did this.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Forget about like the vanity of your physical, like how you feel. Just like I, I'm so much healthier. I had QL issues, my blood pressure, like, and now with Mona, like completely changing, like I don't eat like Mona. She's a. Mona is the most disciplined eater on earth.

[Michael]

On Earth.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

On Earth.

[Michael]

On Earth. Actually I've met a lot of disciplined eaters. She's the most disciplined eater on earth.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No, no, you don't understand the things we do.

[Michael]

Like, give us.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I can imagine.

[Michael]

Tell us some things that you do.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

We go two hours out of our way on the way to the airport and have to wake up at 5 instead of 7 to get like parsnip based cream cheese in some random neighborhood where some like psycho like hippie lady makes it and you have to show.

[Lauren]

Up at like 6. Like, like we, our life revolves around Mona's access to clean.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

But she also, I think too, and I think you've talked about this before.

[Michael]

Doesn't she like turn your WI fi off at night now?

[Lauren]

Oh yeah, clean. Like, like the deodorant I'm wearing right.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Now has no scent. Yeah.

[Lauren]

Like I go like when I travel.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Right now like to a hotel and like have the shampoo that's in there. Like, now it smells, like, insane to me. Before, it wasn't even on my mind.

[Lauren Everts]

That's crazy.

[Michael Bostick]

That happened to me, too.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

She.

[Michael Bostick]

Because she does the same thing.

[Michael]

Because when you clean up the environment, you start to notice how many toxins there are in it. Do you know what's the craziest?

[Michael Bostick]

Is getting in Ubers.

[Michael]

Out of all the people in the world to, like, have this happen to them. It is so fucking funny that it's happened to you because she cleaned up your entire environment and now you're sensitive to shampoos in a hotel. Yeah, that's amazing.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But I'm also not as disciplined as her. Like. Like, I happily ate every little appetizer that was given to me last night at this bougie private equity event I went to. And, like, all of it would make Mona's head spin of, like, anger.

[Lauren]

Like, meaning, like, I'm so much better.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But anyway, long winded way to say my DNA is my DNA. But I've put in real work on the things that have not come natural to me. Eating, discipline, gym, candor. Like, I've talked a lot about that. We think we talked about that on the last time. Like, I can now be canderous with my employees in a world where I used to hate. That doesn't come natural to me to tell people what they're not good at. I try to go around it and make it better.

[Lauren]

So, like, I'm now in a place.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

In my life where I've won over things that don't come natural to me, which then makes me passionate to go on podcasts like this and put out content saying, you can change.

[Lauren]

Like, if you're laying right now and.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You'Re cynical and negative, if you recalibrate what you listen to, who you hang out with, what you do over a course of a year, five years, 10 years, you can change. People change.

[Lauren]

If people didn't change, I would not make content.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Oh, actually, I've never said that before.

[Lauren]

That was. That actually just. I felt that was cool. That's right. If people did not have the ability.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

To change, I would not be known in any shape or form because I would not be intoxicated like I am to say something that can change the course of someone's life.

[Lauren]

Do you know what it feels like.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Every time I see you?

[Michael]

It's probably cool because I literally started this blog reading your book.

[Michael Bostick]

It feels very much the same.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's emotional to me.

[Michael Bostick]

For us, on our side, in a. Maybe in a different way.

[Lauren]

Correct. In the way that I feel about.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

My mom when I see her, which is like, you are the architect of all of this.

[Lauren]

I get all the flowers, but I.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

The reason I'm completely detached from Gary Vee or that I use humility as my superpower is because I actually don't believe I'm anything other than what my mom created.

[Lauren]

Like, one of the reasons I like getting flowers is. Is in my brain and my soul. It's like, gary, you're the best.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And I'm like, tamara, you're the best.

[Michael]

It's probably cool, too, to see people who have applied your formula and the formula works.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's probably the coolest thing. Well, let's get into the real stuff. What about on a weekly basis? People that are telling me about how deep they were into drug abuse, alcohol abuse, suicidal thoughts. Do you know how many men over the last 10 years have told me they've stopped physically abusing their woman because of my content?

[Michael Bostick]

Whoa.

[Lauren]

Do you know what that feels like? You guys know me. I have no interest in the Rolex, in the Lambo, in the private jet, like, as the entrepreneurs go, and as.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

One of the OGs of them all. And so many derivatives of what happened.

[Lauren]

Most are different than me. Most want the stuff.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Most need the stuff. I don't judge, by the way. God bless. I'm pumped for people that get off on having a Porsche or a Lambo. I always tell those friends, why do you want it?

[Lauren]

Which, by the way, like, are you.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Using it because you're insecure with girls and you think you need it to get them? Are you insecure with the world and you want to show the world, fuck you, I made it.

[Lauren]

Or do you just genuinely like the.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Horsepower of your Porsche and that's your toy?

[Lauren]

The same way I like jets jerseys. Like, I don't know, but I wonder.

[Michael Bostick]

Why, as a man, you are one of the people that got me as a young guy to stop thinking about that kind of stuff in that kind of way.

[Lauren Everts]

For sure.

[Michael]

That is true.

[Michael Bostick]

100%.

[Michael]

That is true. Because that is true. Thank God. I mean, listen, I didn't have a midlife crisis.

[Lauren Everts]

I had a quarter life crisis, and.

[Michael]

I had to go through it. And you did help him through it.

[Michael Bostick]

But I think a lot of guys, especially men, they, you know, you get enticed by the thing because you think it's a flex that is then going to help you get the girl or the accolades or the attention or whatever it is. So you chase those things, and you quickly realize that there's no fulfillment in those Things.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's short. It's short, it's short and it's a vulnerability.

[Lauren]

And to me, I want to get.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

To the crux, which is it's a pattern you'll keep repeating unless you understand what's really in there. And the answer is it's insecurity. And I do think it's parenting. I do think it's societal. Like, you know, America, for example, is a very mature empire. You know, mature empires get vulnerable because we start worrying about dumb shit because we're not worried about basic shit. When you're a third world country, you're worried about food. You know, like, I'm on the board of Pencils of Promise and Charity Water. Those are my two foundational nonprofits. You just drank that Saratoga. There's 880 million people. I really need everyone to like, really lock in here. If you're on the podcast, like, like, slow down your treadmill. There's 880 million people on earth that do not have access to clean water.

[Lauren]

There's 10% of the humans that walk.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Earth right now cannot get to clean water within four hours.

[Lauren]

Literally as we sit here right now.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

There is a woman, a 60 year.

[Lauren]

Old woman with a fucking ceramic pot, you know, heavy. A ceramic pot is on her head, walking for four miles in the heat to get clean water because she has a 13 year old daughter who's going.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

To have her period and she needs.

[Lauren]

Clean water so she doesn't fucking die. And we're worried about like what milk.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Went into our fucking Starbucks or how.

[Lauren]

Many followers we got this week or like, like, this is how I'm structured. Like, I cannot complain if my, if the algorithm like our world, like, Gary, like, the algorithm's fucking up. Shadow banned. I'm not getting as many views. You're not shadow banned. Your content is tired and stale and you fucking suck at social right now. And you once were good at it. No one's shadow banned. China and Mark Zuckerberg are not worried about you fuck faces. It's that you are not interesting to people right now. And that's okay. I've gone through that. I've gone through. Like, I laugh. Like, do you know how much I laugh when people come up? Like, strangers will walk up to me at the airport and be like, I'm 80, I'm still young. Like, like, I've made my points on a lot of stuff. I appreciate the people that skipped this.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Podcast, your podcast, your fans, when they.

[Lauren]

See my name on here, because they're like, well, I've heard The other two. And like, like I've seen his. Like, I don't need to listen to it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That doesn't bother me.

[Lauren]

Right? Like, it's not how I think about things.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's not outside validation. It's not these vanity metrics. We've become incredibly materialistic. And again, I love when people appreciate things. Like, I really love my baseball cards.

[Lauren]

Right? Like, I love them, I know them.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Fashion, right?

[Lauren]

Like, Mona, like, well, look at shit for four.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

She's fascinated by the craftsmanship. Or like what it would look like, or that's fine.

[Lauren]

But needing a fucking product bag to make people think you're that person, that's.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

What I'm worried about.

[Michael Bostick]

It's. It's the thinking that the thing is going to convince people that you are a value of that, of that thing.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Right?

[Michael Bostick]

Yes. And like, and that your, your value is tied to whatever material thing.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Everyone's stuck in middle school.

[Michael Bostick]

Yep.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Forever.

[Lauren]

Everyone's stuck in fucking middle school.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, what?

[Lauren]

Who gives a fuck if someone doesn't like you? That means.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Now, couple things, let me break that down. Who gives a fuck if someone doesn't like you?

[Lauren]

If, if you know you're a good.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Person and many others like you, then you're good.

[Lauren]

Now if no one likes you, you got a problem. It means you're bad. Like, means you're insecure. It means like, like it's not the world's fault.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I said something yesterday that made me laugh.

[Lauren]

I was like, if you've been fired four times in a row now, like, you're the problem. Like, like, because, you know, people love.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

A good blaming the boss. I mean, I've had people literally steal.

[Lauren]

From me and then all the employees.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Just think I was bad for firing them because they made up some bullshit.

[Lauren]

Story and I didn't want to put.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Their fucking stealing on blast.

[Lauren Everts]

Quick break to talk about free nicotine. It is no secret that from time to time in my life I have used nicotine as a tool, as a stimulant, as something to use for focus, for energy and to get shit done. To be honest, many people are turning to nicot, especially nicotine pouches. And the one that we like to talk about on this podcast is called Free nicotine. And here's why. What we like about free nicotine is it has industry leading strengths that range from a wide variety of strengths, from 3mg to 15mg depending on what you need to get done. If you're riding a bull, you might need that 15 milligram if you're doing a podcast like this, the three might work. What I like about free nicotine is free exists for the ones who want to stay sharp when it counts. And it comes in a discreet slim pouch for anywhere smoking can't, vaping won't and dip shouldn't. I'm always looking for that edge and free nicotine is the edge that I'm looking for a lot of the time. And with free nicotine, you don't have to worry about smoking it, you don't have to worry about vaping it. It's just a clean delivery system from a pouch that's so much better than those other alternatives. I like having products like free nicotine in my toolbox of things that I use when I need to get things done. Just like any other supplement or stimulant. I use this in moments when I need more clarity, when I need a lot more focus, when I know I'm going to have hard days with that 3pm slump. Free nicotine is something that can help you focus and get through those days with energy and excitement. And, and I like that I can control the dosage and know that I'm going to always get a consistent effect. If you've been trying to quit smoking, if you've been trying to move away from vapes, free nicotine could be a great solution for you, like I said. So check them out. Try free nicotine pouches [e-mail] that's F R E pouch.com and also as a warning, this product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical.

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[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

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[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

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[Lauren Everts]

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[Michael Bostick]

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[Lauren Everts]

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[Michael]

How do you deal with managing all those employees? You have a lot of employees. I've talked to you about this off air. What's the strategy?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Intent? Yeah, is a big one for me. Like my intent is to build a good healthy organization that rewards people that are excelling in effort or output. I also have a lot of grace. Like I'm very anti firing. I'm into fixing, but I've gotten better at being okay with firing. That was my weakness in my 20s and 30s, you know, everything was family. Now I call it family, dot, dot, dot. Business.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Not like a family business because, you know, at the end of the day, like, you know, I wouldn't. I don't fire my sister. So like, you know, just all these things I've learned along the way, but.

[Lauren]

Like, you know, trying to build demand.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And top line revenue, trying to build systems of accountability, but creating a culture of kind candor. Want people to feel safe. At Vayner, I love making people feel safe. I have to be careful because my big vulnerability is superhero syndrome, where I'm just gonna take care of everything. So that's something I try to watch out for.

[Michael]

One of the things that I love most about you that I think is so attractive is that you're so comfortable with your energy and yourself. How would you tell people to get to that place?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Listen, this has been the theme of this talk. This is why it's fun to continue to show up to places that are home. So it's nice to be with you guys. You never know where the combo will actually go. This is the theme of today. Like, I don't know how to break through to all of you that are listening, but I desperately ask you deeply, I pray on you deeply, I ask you, you've got to understand that everybody else sucks too. That's the. Yes.

[Lauren]

That's the answer.

[Michael]

What do you mean?

[Lauren]

Meaning, like, why are you nitpicking? Why am I comfortable with myself?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Because I like myself and, and I'm.

[Lauren]

Very accountable that I have very many shortcomings because I don't know, I'm a human. Like, all of you have many shortcomings.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Many.

[Lauren]

And she reminds you of all of yours.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I don't even have to think tell.

[Lauren Everts]

Myself because I just get told.

[Lauren]

Yes, you just get told. And. And I promise all of you, everyone is short. Whoever you admire the most.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

My sister definitely put me on an uncomfortably big like, pedestal. I was a. I'm. I'm very. I'm knocking on wood. I don't know why I'm so grateful. I was a very good big brother.

[Michael Bostick]

I think that happens with. I have a sister three years younger. I think that happens.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, it's a big. Especially if you're a good person and like you really. I really did right by my sister. And we have like 13 of those classic stories of like things that I'm very proud of.

[Lauren]

But like, I'm like, I Got happy.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

In the last 10 years where my sister started to, like, see me for having some shortcomings.

[Lauren]

That was, like, good for me. Like, I was happy for her.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, because I don't. I think the most unhappy people. And not that my sister was so unhappy, but I know her unhappiness was grounded in her putting me and my mom on a pedestal. That was too high.

[Lauren]

And I ask all of you to put no one on a pedestal, even if.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Listen, I put people on pedestals, but not too high. Like, I. You know this. I talk about my. I already done it multiple times. I think my mom is like the single best mother of all time.

[Lauren]

And yet I'm very aware of her shortcomings. Many she passed on to me DNA wise. And so why am I comfortable? It's because I know everyone else has shortcomings too. And I also know I have no.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Negative intent towards others.

[Michael]

What are your shortcomings?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Candor. Candor has been the kryptonite of my life.

[Michael]

What do you mean?

[Michael Bostick]

Candor and being able to tell people what you really think to their face.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Which is bananas, because as a public figure, it's my ultimate strength.

[Lauren]

Because when I'm on this podcast, I'm.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Talking to 8.3 billion people.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay, yeah, that's our. That's our listener base.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Even.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You guys have now crossed over into a friendship place where it would be harder for me to tell you something real. Oh.

[Michael Bostick]

Because I have.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

We have.

[Michael Bostick]

I need to pick your brain after this.

[Michael]

But don't say pick your brain. I hate when people say that. Don't say that. That's not the right.

[Michael Bostick]

Pick your mind.

[Michael]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Say pick your brain. Her. She says some too.

[Lauren]

You, Lawrence. Oh, yeah. You're like, oh, don't build him up too. I know her so well. She's like, don't.

[Michael]

I'm gonna have to hear about it all. Dinner.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Candor crushed me. Everything bad in my life, in my life, personally and professionally, was because I was not able to tell someone I cared for what I actually thought. And I tried to get around it, and I tried to figure it out and put it all on me without realizing resentment was being built. And my issues in my life, you know, have been around that. And then, you know, about five, six, seven, eight, maybe eight years ago, it started to really come to a head in both my professional and personal life. I realized my company had become entitled.

[Michael Bostick]

I want to talk to you about that, but keep going.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I realized some of my relationships were not where they needed to be. And, you know, at 42, 43, I was like, oh, it was actually great. Like, this is what I wish on everyone. I wish everyone can face their truth. Like. And so candor has been massive. I use kryptonite because I do think I was uncomfortably blessed with DNA and parenting and circumstance. You know, not only did I have the greatest mother who gave me all of her great traits, and I took my dad's best traits. This is a big joke in my family that I was first, and I just kind of rolled up on my mom and dad and just took all their best shit as. Because I was first.

[Lauren]

And, like, really, I. You know, I really am.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's really. It's really wild. Like, you know, I speak about this, like, detached from it, but it is very clear if you knew everything about me. Like, if we hang out in heaven where you can get every answer, if.

[Lauren]

They, like, if there was some AI.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Graph up there that was like, what did Gary take from his parents? His parents have good and bad attributes.

[Lauren]

What did he take?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's like, 98% good. Like, I took all the good shit from both. And my dad has a ton of bad shit, and I love him, but he has a lot of shortcomings.

[Lauren]

And by the way, I'm not mad.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

At him because I knew my grandma real well, and she parented him and she had those same things. And you want to hear something even crazier? Because everybody in Russia had kids at 20.

[Lauren]

I knew my great grandma well, and she gave it to my grandma. So I always say this. My favorite keynote speech moment, maybe of.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

My career was at VCon 2 or 3 2.

[Lauren]

And my opening line to the keynote.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, 10,000 people in the crowd.

[Lauren]

I'm like, I just want to start with your grandparents. And, like, the crowd was like, shook everyone across, like, what the is going on? And my point was, a lot of you right now in the crowd are struggling because you're mad at one of.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Your parents, and you don't have the grace or empathy or compassion to your parent to realize one of their parents did it to them.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

This is my favorite topic in the world.

[Michael]

I actually have a meditation that I do about this every day.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It's.

[Michael]

It's just having grace and forgiveness for the fact that you're right, that there probably is something that the grandparent or the great grandparents. Not probably there is what your parent.

[Lauren]

Did to you is what one of their. Like, and you know what pisses me off is like, you're like, oh, Grandma. Because grandma now is on by the.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Way A lot of times grandma is.

[Lauren]

Sweet to you because she's still, you know, up her.

[Michael Bostick]

Her daughter or she feels guilty about.

[Lauren]

Correct. It's one of the two. It's either they're like they're trying to.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Make amends with you, the grandchild, or.

[Lauren]

Believe it or not, they're still in it and they want you to side with. This is up.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But it's real.

[Lauren]

They want granddaughter to side with Grandma on this 40 year debate. So they're sweet to you. So you're like grandma, you're the sweetest and she's giving you cookies and five bucks and she's the best. Meanwhile, everything you're mad at in life is based on this thing you're mad at your mom for. And your poor mom got fucked by this grandma. But by the way, by the way, it's. You know why I love. It's so true.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Right.

[Lauren]

And you know why I'm happy right now is I know someone's in a car driving and this might be the first.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This is why I'm motivated to do what I do. I know someone's driving right now. Had never heard this concept and literally just had bananas. Aha.

[Lauren]

And it's the seed that's gonna lead.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

To them calling their mom in six months because it's gonna fester. You know, not everything's right away. And they haven't talked to her for four years. And it's gonna allow them to have amends and enjoy each other's company. They'll be rocky roads, you know, when you have a tough relationship, you know. But right now they're completely zero and it's. And they didn't realize what grandma did.

[Lauren]

And then you're gonna be like grandma.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And then I'm gonna be like, no, no, no. Great grandma.

[Lauren]

You didn't know Grant. Great, great grandma Gertrude, but she was the worst of the bunch.

[Michael]

So it's about being aware of that. So when you're aware of that, you can understand it and have the aware.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And awake to everything is good.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Being aware is realizing if you're highly political, both sides are doing the same thing.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's being aware.

[Lauren]

They're both scaring you and telling you you're not capable and they're going to.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Take care of you.

[Lauren]

You both of them, they're just scaring you on different issues.

[Michael]

I think I agree.

[Michael Bostick]

You know, when I think about you and like one of the themes of your life, I just think that like extreme self awareness is at the top of the heap with your qualities.

[Lauren Everts]

I Mean, there's a million great qualities.

[Michael Bostick]

But I think like you're just. You, you're, you're. You have an honest assessment about yourself in the world. And I think that's a superpower for you.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It allows you to grow and make impact. You guys know this. Including the three wonderful people off the camera know this. When you start to get known, people have opinions of you.

[Lauren]

There are people who have full formed.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Opinions of me who've never met me. And I'm. And I understand. If you grew up in a household where over the topness and cursing were demonized, how could you possibly like me at first if your parents taught you that? Self promotion. And be quiet. Like, you don't have to put yourself out there.

[Lauren]

Which is a beautiful. Like, I, I'm literally getting. Let's look at this. I'm literally getting goosebumps. I think it's beautiful to, to say like your work should speak for itself and you don't have to be out. I think it's a beautiful virtue, you know, speaking with in a respectful manner. Like, I think these are nice things. I am not that I am very out there. I'm very Jersey potty mouth. But it's me.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And I'm okay with people misunderstanding me at first.

[Lauren]

In a world where everyone wants to.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Be understood immediately, I do not have the audacity to think that people should understand me right away.

[Lauren]

I actually enjoy the process.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Many people listening right now when they.

[Lauren]

First came across me, did not like me and now really like me.

[Michael]

That's my favorite thing ever is when you do get a judge. You judge a book by its cover. And then you get to know the person and it's an onion.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Correct.

[Michael]

People are complex.

[Michael Bostick]

What happens to you too?

[Michael]

All the time. It's my favorite thing ever. And I let them go down the rabbit hole and see me with blonde hair and big fake tits and like, let them judge that. And that's right. I'm actually fine with it. I, I think a little bit of part of me gets off on it.

[Lauren]

Yeah, of course. Because I think you know who you are inside.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Like again.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But this is an important thing. There's a lot of people listening right now who think they're rotten inside. And I tell everyone to listen to me.

[Lauren]

You are not rotten.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

If your voice tells you that you are bad. Someone put that voice in you. That is not your voice. Right. I said something yesterday I'd never said out loud before and I, I'm excited to repeat it. I literally believe there's no losers in life. I really believe that. I just believe that are people that are currently losing, right? It's like sports. Like, sometimes you're losing 13 to nothing. But I don't know if you've ever watched sports. Like, sometimes you come back and win.

[Lauren]

Like, like no matter where you're at right now.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Alcoholism, fired four times, $150,000 in debt. Like, it's. This is what's amazing about life. Like, you actually can get out of it.

[Lauren]

And then what's crazy, like, if you show me someone, like, if someone emails.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Me that heard this podcast ever right.

[Lauren]

Now when you launch it, or in 10 years, if you're a person that.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Emails me and says, I was $150,000, that I battled alcoholism, I spent six months in jail, I like all these.

[Lauren]

Things and now I'm here. That person's the. That's the person I most admire on earth. The people I most admire are the ones that really get out of the muck, not the people that kind like, like me. Like, it's kind of always been chill. Like, like, meaning like my adversity was.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

My youth fights all the time because I grew up in bad neighborhoods, bad grades. Every adult said, you're going to be a garbage man loser. Which was funny because garbage men make a lot of money more than teachers.

[Lauren]

You know, all this other CR stuff. By the time I got to 18, I was so beat up by every grownup, I was like, I like losing. So my life from after, like regular.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

School life, childhood life, and don't forget, inside my house, I had nothing but love. And then selling and all the business stuff was showing me I wasn't a loser.

[Lauren]

But you know, for me, I've kind.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Of just like cruised along, like success on success on success, happiness and joy.

[Lauren]

Like, yes, I think I'm.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

For some people, it might be like, oh, I want to achieve that. But I am.

[Lauren]

I personally am more impressed with someone who's in a real up spot right.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Now and gets to like some sort.

[Lauren]

Of basic tangible place than I am.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

With what I've done. And I'm. And I'm not kidding.

[Michael]

If you woke up tomorrow and you felt rotten inside, what would you do? What's your self talk?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

If me myself with the things I know, I would immediately say that it's not true and that somebody, especially if it's me, some, like evil demon lord was able to manipulate my brain somehow. Must be like some weird Emperor Darth Vader, like, character was able to penetrate my brain or somebody slipped me like some weird version of an AI roofie that remixed my brain because I don't understand how this happened. But however it happened, someone oust I Gary, do not think I'm rotten. Someone tricked me into thinking I'm rotten.

[Michael]

So that's. If someone's listening and they feel rotten, you would tell them to understand that.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Their mother or father likely told them they were rotten.

[Michael]

So how did they get out of it?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

By realizing their mother and father was broken and they can start the process of getting out. They have to not believe them.

[Lauren]

When your mother. There are people, maybe even this room.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Just six of us and definitely people listening. There are people who have parents that tell them you'll never be anything, you know, fucking sad that is. But I again, do not get mad at that, you know, scene right now. I don't look at that woman or man of like you're. I feel bad for them.

[Lauren]

They are so broke.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

To be a parent that says that to your own child, do you know, fucking broken that person is.

[Lauren]

Yep. This is why I love negative comments in social. Do you know that most people aren't.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Don'T post because they're scared of negative comments and I secretly love them.

[Michael]

Why do you secretly love negative comments?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Because it gives me an opportunity to DM some of them and try to help them.

[Michael]

What do you DM them?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like? Hey man, I saw what you just wrote. Like first, sorry that you think I'm a scam artist, but on some real like if you're taking time to write that, like you're clearly not a good place. Is there anything I can do for you? Literally 6 out of 10 people are like whoa. And like pumped and 4 out of 10 people double down like you, Gary, you're not gonna pull your on me. I'm like my is compassion. Like I'm right here when you're ready.

[Michael Bostick]

I like doing that and you've always done that. I want to talk to you a little bit about entitlement.

[Lauren]

That's a great segue.

[Michael Bostick]

Thank you.

[Lauren]

And you've always done it. Now let's talk about this. You're getting good at this.

[Michael Bostick]

Thank you, Gary.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You're welcome.

[Michael Bostick]

It's only taking a thousand. No, but you know, there's all these articles now about Gen Z and this and I. I hate to pick on young people because I know a lot of people in that generation that are really hardworking and do very well.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I would actually argue to your point to double down just to jump in. It's actually a very wildly mixed generation because Gen Z has so Many options.

[Lauren]

Gen Z is the most millionaires of.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

A generation under 20 in the history of time. Because of technology. There's people working their faces off. I actually think they're just very split.

[Lauren]

Not a lot of in between.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You have these gangster 19 year olds who are streaming for 19 hours a day, every day of their life or building AI businesses. And then you have the ones that are like, well, the boomers fucked it up for us. Hey, politicians take care of me.

[Lauren]

As if we didn't have enough things.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That we don't like each other about. Gender wars, race, religion. This is how fucked up things are. I do not believe that people are conscious to what's happening. There are many people on earth that try to make us not like each other for their self interest.

[Lauren]

Politicians and so literally as if we didn't have enough things to not like each other about. This is the first era when I was growing up, guys, I didn't even know I was in Gen X and I never heard the term boomer. I didn't know what that was. Right now you literally have Gen Z being like, you boomers it up. And they're like pointing at some poor 71 year old lady who's just minding her own business. She's just going to the store to buy a banana. She's like, what do you mean I ruined it?

[Michael Bostick]

But I wanted. So I think to your point, it's, I think there's just entitlement across all sorts of different demos.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Correct.

[Michael Bostick]

And I think within that I don't, I don't want to blame social media because I don't think, I think that's a cop out. But I think people see people with things or maybe that are further along and they say hey, they have it, why shouldn't I?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But yeah, but the rise of socialism and Marxism and Communism, like the 40s, the 60s, the 20s, had these same dynamics. We friends actually. Here's a good one.

[Lauren]

Please.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This will really make your life a lot better. You need to stop blaming social media. Yeah, it's an empty pipe. You need to start blaming yourself.

[Lauren]

Like people like, it's never been worse.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'm like, the Holocaust was pretty bad.

[Lauren]

Like, like Hitler didn't have Twitter. Like I don't understand why people don't understand what's actually happening, which is we have become incredibly non accountable, we have.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Become wildly judgmental and this is not a social media issue. This is modern parenting issue. Consequences matter. Literally in five minutes we went from parents actively smacking and spanking. I had a belt hanging in my apartment when I first came to America as a kid. And, like, my mom pointed to it and said, you remember the wooden spoon?

[Lauren]

Like, wooden spoon.

[Michael Bostick]

I got the wooden spoon.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, literally, I've been smacked. I've been spanked.

[Lauren]

Grounded. Do you know that? Do you know this phenomenon?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You guys are young, modern parents.

[Lauren]

People don't ground.

[Michael]

I ground.

[Michael Bostick]

We ground.

[Michael]

I ground. How I ground, I say, I think you know.

[Lauren]

I want to know what?

[Michael]

Fuck around and find out.

[Lauren]

No, no, no.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's threatening.

[Lauren Everts]

My daughter.

[Michael Bostick]

The other day, she was misbehaving. She playing Mario Kart on the Wii.

[Lauren]

Yep.

[Lauren Everts]

I said, you keep doing that.

[Michael Bostick]

It's gone for a week.

[Lauren]

It's gone.

[Michael Bostick]

That's gone for a week.

[Michael]

So that she's grounded.

[Michael Bostick]

And she comes to me two days later, she goes, where's the thing, guys? It's gone.

[Michael]

Tears in them.

[Michael Bostick]

No, it's gone for a week.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, Five more days.

[Michael Bostick]

And by the way, if you do another, it's another week.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, but 30, 40 years ago, it was not just the Wii. It was no phone, no friends, no.

[Lauren]

Tv, no, like, like, like, like, it was real. She's like, thanks, dad. You took away the Wii. Yeah, she wanted the next day. Now she's doing 1700 other things.

[Michael]

She's watching Rugrats.

[Michael Bostick]

Correct.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

True.

[Michael]

It's not wrong.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'm talking about when we really grounded in the 70s and 80s, 60s. Like, you were going to jail.

[Michael Bostick]

God forbid you heard, I'm gonna go get your father scared.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

The. I was scared of my dad as if he was like, an assassin from.

[Lauren]

Like, like, no, no, we don't have kids.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Grow up.

[Lauren]

And this is why people talk so much. I grew up in neighborhoods where if you, like, said one thing to someone.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, it was after school, punch, blood, fight.

[Lauren]

Like, people are saying all sorts of shit in the comment section because there's no ramifications.

[Michael]

So what's your vibe on gentle parenting? Can't wait.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Listen, I, I, I love the idea of being friendly and warm. Like, I had a gentle parent who would smack the fuck out of me when I did something wrong. I believe that we need purple. I think that we've this concept of, like, when parents are like, I want to be friends with my child. They're hurting them.

[Lauren]

You want to be friendly, but you.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Need to be their father or mother.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And you need. And I'm telling you, the biggest issue in the world right now is lack of consequences. What keeps humans in a very nice place is consequences, ramifications. It's good. Like, I love when people get punched in the face.

[Lauren]

I mean it like, like, you know.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Run your mouth and disrespect and get punched in the face.

[Lauren]

That's good. I like it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I know that people like, whoa. What? I need to dissect it like we as humans need consequences.

[Lauren]

It's why I love sports and business.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

There's consequences like if you don't play well, if you make a bad pass, if you don't train hard, you lose. You lost. This is why 8th place trophies destroyed society.

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[Gary Vaynerchuk]

When your kids get older, when they become 22 or 18, depending how you see this, or somewhere in that range. If you guys, because of the empire you built, are giving money to your 25 year old child, it will be bad.

[Michael]

Well, we've seen that. We've seen it happen and we've seen what happens when you do that. And it is bad.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's right. And that's what's happening. You have people literally blaming boomers on TikTok whose parents are paying their rent.

[Michael]

It's funny because one of the best things my dad ever, ever gave me was your book.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Not money. Yep. It was your book.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Isn't that funny?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's humbling and funny and awesome and like, it's how I see the world. Like, it's just very easy to see what's going on right now. Like, we are soft. We are over coddled. We've become addicted to this. People love this. You're ugly. You're stupid. Well, you, you should, you should pay more taxes.

[Lauren]

Like, okay, like, like, what about you? Where did this. Like, I, I nev. I don't. I literally don't even know how to.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Start a sentence of you should it.

[Lauren]

Never in my brain do I look at someone and say, you should.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Other than the framework of, like, kindness and humanity, it would be great.

[Lauren]

Like, not this. Like, you, like, like we just.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And like, you suck.

[Lauren]

And like, you, you think you're so hot. Back to the fake tits and blah. Like, what's. Whose business are your tits?

[Michael Bostick]

My kind of mind. Maybe.

[Lauren]

Yeah, you're a. Maybe in the mix a little bit. Maybe a little bit.

[Michael]

I'm totally pulling that clip out of context. Go ahead.

[Lauren]

You know, like, whose business is it?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

How.

[Lauren]

You know. And by the way, this is why.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I don't Tell people how to raise their child. I talk about parenting as a macro theme. As someone who's receiving 10 to 50,000 dms a month from people that are struggling who are saying the same themes, which is mommy and daddy are over coddling me.

[Lauren]

It's all the same theme.

[Michael]

So the kid is DMing you that.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You want the weirdest one.

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[Lauren]

One of the biggest breakthroughs in my.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Life was when I started really talking about this six, seven years ago.

[Lauren]

I was getting DMs from rich kids.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Blaming their parents for paying for their life.

[Michael]

And I was like, heard this.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes.

[Lauren]

And I was like my first reply ever. Literally. I didn't understand. They're like, gary, I'm super depressed. You know, I read my DMs super depressed.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Let me tell you about me. My parents pay for everything.

[Lauren]

I'm 25, I live in LA. I remember like yesterday they just bought.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Me a brand new BMW and I'm deeply depressed. And it keeps going and I don't remember the rest, but it ends with. And all of this just shows me that they don't think I'm capable. They think I'm a loser.

[Michael]

So it's a dog whistle from the parent saying that you're not capable.

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[Michael]

That's interesting to me.

[Lauren Everts]

To me too.

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Very interesting.

[Lauren]

It blew me away. Then the next part was funny. I said, I literally read this thing and I kind of like am shook because I'd never heard it. I didn't know what rich kids were.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Dealing with kind of.

[Lauren]

And I replied, I think I can help. And this person replies, oh my God, please Gary, what should I do? And I replied, stop taking the money.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And that's when the convo got interested. This was like a fucking two hour DM back and forth. One of the few times I've ever done this.

[Lauren]

And literally for an hour and a half over Indiana and Michigan and on my way home from the west coast, I convinced this person to call their.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Father and give back everything.

[Lauren]

But most kids want to on their.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Parents and do nothing about it.

[Michael Bostick]

Yep. And I think it's, you know, I've on this show, I've talked about this where I actually have a little bit of empathy and sympathy for people that are rich kids that are put in that situation because they don't actively make that choice, their parent does for them.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. But when you're, when you're 7 and 9 and 13, you're right. But when you're 22, you gotta say.

[Michael Bostick]

You gotta break, you gotta friends Step away.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Everybody who's listening. If you're in a great situation financially, where your parents have this situation, if it's bothering you, you do have control. And I, And I agree with you. I understand that you're conditioned to fucking have caviar on Sunday brunch, but you don't need caviar.

[Michael]

I think there's.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Unless you're rushing, you do need caviar.

[Michael]

The victim mentality.

[Lauren]

That's it. So, as someone's fault, but yours, literally everything that's wrong in my life is.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

My fault, and it makes me happy as fuck.

[Michael Bostick]

Well, because then you can do something about it. Yes, because then the power is with you. If it's always somebody else's fault, that puts you in a helpless position.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's why everyone's so upset right now. They think politicians in charge. That's. They're crippled. They're like, they're not in charge. Like. Like, let's use America.

[Lauren]

You're upset. Like, I don't know if you know.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This, but Sweden and Peru, Portugal, like Australia.

[Lauren]

Lovely places. Big election in New York as we're filming today. A lot of people are about to.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Have a lot of feelings in this city.

[Michael Bostick]

Oh, yeah.

[Lauren]

One way or another.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Good news.

[Lauren]

Like, I think this is the best city in the world. But if I ever, God forbid, thought the mayor or governor of New York State really controlled me and me up, I'd move. Connecticut's lovely. Like, I don't think. I don't. Like, Like, I don't get this.

[Michael Bostick]

I mean, you know, that's. We moved from California to Texas and it's not.

[Michael]

That's right.

[Michael Bostick]

We just said, okay.

[Lauren]

Oh, and people had all sorts of judgment on you guys early on because you were a little early. And then everyone's like, you're pioneers. You went from shit faces to pioneers. And then it goes back and forth.

[Lauren Everts]

Depends who you ask. We might still be shit based on some people.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And by the way, you may go back to California.

[Michael Bostick]

Probably not. But I. I like being closer here.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

No, no, you appreciate. You'll appreciate what I'm about to say. Probably not, because you're viewing it what it is today.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

What if. What if the state of California changes three policies in the next 18 years that you like? And you might be like, wait a minute.

[Lauren]

By the way, on the record, LA.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Has many things better than Austin.

[Michael Bostick]

Oh, yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And if three or four things that matter to you change, maybe you will.

[Michael]

We're gonna move next door to you and Mona.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Well, that'd be lovely.

[Michael Bostick]

In New York has many things better than both of those.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

New York has better things than everything.

[Lauren]

Yeah, but New York's the fucking best.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

City in the world. Let there be no confusion.

[Michael Bostick]

I've been slowly moving along.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, so let me.

[Michael Bostick]

Let me go back to what I was asking you. When somebody comes to you, you manage a lot of people and they. Their output is not matching what, what they actually are going to then earn.

[Lauren Everts]

Or want to earn.

[Michael Bostick]

And they're, they're. But they're entitled and they want. And they say, gary, I'm working for you. I've been here for a year or two. Like, I want this.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I tell them. I tell them that unfortunately, I'm making a subjective opinion.

[Lauren]

You might be right.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This is very powerful. This has really worked for me because I actually believe this. This may really help a lot of bosses. I say, let's just have the combo. Hey, unfortunately, brother, I have to make a subjective choice here because it's my company. And subjectively, I don't agree with you and not because I want to suppress you and not make money. You can go talk to other employees who've gotten raises. Just subjectively, I don't think you're up to snuff. Like, your content doesn't get views. Like, you come in at 9:13 when everyone's here at 9. You kind of mope around when, like, someone else does well on a post and your post doesn't. Like, you're not really living it. And so I don't think we're there yet. But good news, like, you know me, I'm Gary. Like, I'm a good dude. Like, maybe this isn't the right spot and I will try to help you get a spot that's better for you. Or you can subjectively agree with me now because you can tell that you're not tricking me because I just gave you three examples. And let's maybe work on it together and see if we can rectify this the next six months. And if not, let's. Let's figure out a great spot for you.

[Michael]

It's interesting to me how much you're paying attention when you say you get here at 9:13 and you have 8 million employees, that's interesting to me. People think you're not paying attention because you're so busy and you've got so much going on.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I wish people you could interview all my employees. It literally freaks some. Like, some of my employees literally think I have a spy network.

[Lauren]

I'm very intuitive.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Like, my intuition is my great, great gift, actually. Let's speak about that. This would be really good. I know a lot of ladies listening to this are going to really find this interesting.

[Lauren]

Ladies, you know how, like, in the.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Last decade we've really started talking about gut health. Really big topic, thank God.

[Lauren]

And men, too.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I mean, many. But, like, gut health has become a big conversation. We're starting to get more educated on gut health as, like, a primary driver of your overall health. I have a wild one that I really hope I live to watch this clip because the world figured it out. I'm completely convinced intuitively that your intuition and your gut is your primary brain and your brain is your secondary brain. And I don't think the world knows that. And I think there's something big, big there.

[Michael]

Like intuition is coming from your gut, which is actually guiding you, not your brain.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's right.

[Michael Bostick]

But he's saying the first. The first indicator of whether something's off or on or good or bad.

[Michael]

What did I get called the other day on the podcast? Michael Gary might be it too. What did I get called?

[Michael Bostick]

I mean, you get called a million.

[Michael]

No, the prolific.

[Michael Bostick]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Michael]

What was it?

[Lauren Everts]

She keeps trying to.

[Michael Bostick]

You're not a prophet.

[Michael]

No. What is it called?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Because she wants to be a prophet.

[Michael]

What's it called?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Prophetic.

[Michael]

Prophetic.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. You both.

[Michael Bostick]

You both have that. Yeah, yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Intuition.

[Lauren]

And I think the people that are.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Willing to lean into it. I think a lot of people listening have talked themselves out of it. And you know what sucks is when you go against your intuition and it doesn't work out. It hurts triple.

[Michael Bostick]

Because you knew.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. And so for me. And for me.

[Michael]

Wow.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Say that again. Huh?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

The number one thing that really with people is where they used someone else's opinion that they trust or logic to make a decision versus their intuition that was really going off.

[Michael]

Yep.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So then when it fails, you're, like, devastated because you're really mad at yourself for not listening. Which is why I only listen to my intuition. Oftentimes has not worked out. But it feels nice because I died on my own sword. It's much more fun to die on your own sword than someone else's sword.

[Michael]

And a lot of the times it does work out in your intuition. Spidery senses antenna is 100% right most of the time.

[Lauren]

I'm just saying, a lot of times it didn't.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Because there's something you didn't see.

[Lauren]

You're into it like something else was a variable. You might have actually been right, but it ended up being wrong. Like things Happen.

[Michael]

But one of my favorite things that you've ever talked about, and I forgot where it was, I think on Instagram. But you said that when people say social media is negative, open up your feed, open up your. Your content page and look at your content. You have created that. And I'm not saying it as eloquent as you said it. Can you talk to our audience about that?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Every one of you that thinks social media is bad or that the algorithms are manipulating you, I want you to open your phone and go to Tik Tok or Instagram right now and go to search. Go to the search function in search. I want you to do this, like, literally pause the podcast right now. Get, like, get yourself situated.

[Michael]

Let's see. Let's.

[Lauren]

Nice friends, feel free to jump in.

[Michael]

Okay, so go to search. So I go here.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You're on search.

[Michael]

Yeah.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I really want you to do this.

[Lauren]

This is really important.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Thank you, everyone. I want you to search. You're in search. Yep.

[Lauren]

Type in kittens. Okay, got it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Okay, I need you to, like, four posts right now. I mean it, please. Oh, no.

[Michael Bostick]

I know it's going to happen. You know, when Ozzy Osbourne passed away, I was watching, like, a million things because I love Black Sabbath, and my whole feed for weeks was Black Sabbath and Aussie.

[Lauren]

I'm like, I know it's, brother.

[Michael Bostick]

I know it's.

[Lauren]

I don't care. I need, like.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So cute.

[Lauren]

All right, now back out.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Okay, I want you to type in love. Everybody who's listening to this podcast, I need you to do this. This is real. If you really believe that social media is the devil, or the algorithm's against you, or things are bad, I really need you to like this.

[Michael]

Michael, are you typing in love?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah, Michael's faking it, I guess.

[Michael]

Don't fake it, Michael.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

I did it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I did it. All right, I need you.

[Lauren]

I need you to like it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Please, everyone follow this. I need you to, like, three posts and this.

[Lauren]

I know this one will hurt a lot of you. I know this will hurt a lot.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Of you, but I need you to follow one of those accounts in the love thread. I know a lot of people are very precious about who they follow. This is gonna fuck people up, but I need you to do it, please. Just pick one.

[Michael]

Michael, go follow Louise. Hay. Affirmation.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, I don't know if I want.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

To follow that one.

[Lauren Everts]

That popped up at the top.

[Michael]

What?

[Lauren Everts]

It was Diddy. That pops up at the top of your search now.

[Michael Bostick]

It happens.

[Lauren]

Listen, he might be, like, you know, learning A lot of things in this new stitch.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Michael, follow Louise. Hay. Affirmations.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay. I don't know where that one is.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Look, Louise.

[Michael]

Hey. Affirmation.

[Lauren]

Back out, everyone.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Back out.

[Lauren]

This is very important.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This is actually profound. This might be a. Lauren, I really mean this. This might be the thing that we're most stopped in public about this segment right now. Now, I need you to put sunshine.

[Michael]

Okay?

[Lauren]

Sunshine.

[Lauren Everts]

Sunshine.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

It makes me. Makes you happy.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It is nice. 5 likes. I need it. I need.

[Lauren]

Click into the grid, pick which ones you like. Like it. Like it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

All right.

[Lauren]

I don't want to eat up the entire podcast, but 15 minutes of this.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Actually, let's do the last one. This is probably the most important one.

[Lauren]

You'Ll ever do in your life.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Ready?

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Okay.

[Lauren]

Need everybody to type in Gary V.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

E, E.

[Lauren]

I need you to like, four posts.

[Michael]

By the way.

[Lauren Everts]

Positive shit.

[Michael]

You're all over my algorithm. So that's good.

[Michael Bostick]

Yep.

[Michael]

Because it's all positive.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So, friends, this is super important. I believe.

[Lauren]

I believe a lot of you have.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Done this just now. I really think a lot of people did it. I think a lot of you will continue and put, you know, hiking and. And things you like, cooking. You know, Mona has really, in the last couple years, realized, like, how much joy she gets from cooking.

[Lauren]

So, like, cooking, like, you know, sports highlights. Now we can go a little bit less deep.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You can add sports highlights, fashion. I'm telling you, within 30 seconds.

[Lauren]

Like, tomorrow, if you really do 15.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Minutes of what I just said, you.

[Lauren]

Will enclose your phone tomorrow morning.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Your feed's different.

[Lauren]

Your food. Your feed is not changing you.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

The platforms are not manipulating you. They're exposing who you are. Are.

[Michael]

Your feed is a reflection of who you are. My. Our producer Taylor's feed is all buttholes.

[Lauren]

Buttholes.

[Michael]

It's all buttholes. It's twerking buttholes. And this is how I knew your theory was right, because I asked him to go on his. He was complaining about social media, and I said, pull it up. And all of it was twerking butthole. And I'm like, well, he's watching.

[Lauren]

This is a reflection.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's sounds like he should be loving social media.

[Lauren]

Why? Is he upset?

[Michael Bostick]

No, he loves.

[Lauren]

No, he loves it, Ariel.

[Michael]

Wait till you see his feet.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

But you know what?

[Lauren Everts]

We just did this dinner.

[Michael Bostick]

Or Jermaine's at a dinner.

[Lauren]

He likes big butts.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And he can't lie.

[Lauren Everts]

He can't.

[Michael Bostick]

He can't, but we know we did.

[Lauren]

This algorithm doesn't let you lie.

[Michael Bostick]

We did a dinner with Adam, who. The head of Instagram over there, and he was talking about this and he said, the algorithm is an interest based algorithm. It follows your personal interest friends.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Social media doesn't exist anymore. I've been saying this for a couple months now. We are in the era of interest media.

[Michael]

Yes.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You don't. You're not getting content from who you follow. You're getting content of the things you like.

[Lauren]

And remember when I said you were in control? People like Gary. You don't get it though. It's addicting. The endorphins, they fucking got the system. I'm like, I just told you how to fix it in three minutes. What are you talking about? We've given up our control completely to the algorithm. To Instagram, to Tick Tock, to China, to Trump, to Kamala, to. To Mandani, to fucking the system, the vortex, the Deep State Illuminati, the. Are you guys talking about Bunch of crying wa Wa. Who don't want to take accountability for their actual life. Don't blame people. You're the one that likes buttholes.

[Michael Bostick]

I'm gonna pull that whole clip in just one segment. That's gonna be the opener of this.

[Lauren Everts]

That's the teaser, brother.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

That's it, man.

[Lauren]

Like, I don't understand. Like, can we please use. Can this podcast please, for thousands of you, be the moment where you realize.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It'S two thumbs in.

[Lauren]

It's two thumbs in, it's you.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

And I think, you know.

[Lauren]

Okay, you don't get it. My boyfriend break up. If your boyfriend's a delusionally negative loser, break up. Or if, like, if. If you, like, if you like hooking up with him so much because he's the most handsome dude, then realize you're choosing dick over happiness. I don't know. And by the way, you're allowed for a couple of months, but just get out of there eventually. Like, I don't know, like, no judgment.

[Michael]

But, like, don't blame and don't choose dick over happiness. It's not worth it. Get a vibe.

[Michael Bostick]

This was not on my note card.

[Lauren]

Or choose it for, like, one week.

[Michael]

Yeah, like, again, ride it for a.

[Lauren]

Week and then get off the ride. Yeah, like. Like it's. Life is not like, like, locked in forever.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And like, Like, I don't know, like.

[Lauren]

Accountability is the most addicting word to me.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I'm obsessed with accountability.

[Lauren]

I would inject accountability into my lips.

[Michael Bostick]

No, I think that. I mean, like I said, it's what.

[Lauren Everts]

We appreciate for such a long time.

[Michael Bostick]

About you is. And. And whether the Met like the message when you hear it sometimes for the.

[Lauren Everts]

First time, I'd be like, whoa, whoa.

[Michael Bostick]

It's like a cold splash of water in your face. But what you're saying is basically like, you have as an individual the power to dictate the outcome of your life. End of story.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I watch politicians right now say, you're not capable. You're not capable. You need to be scared of this. You need to be scared of this. You're not capable. You need to be scared of this. You're not capable. You need to be scared of this. And I can help you. I live a life of. Here is all this good information. Here's how you make money. Here's how you get happy. Here's how you make money. Here's how you can make happiness, happiness, money. Happiness, money, happiness, money. And then I finish with saying, I can't help you. You can help you. The end. That right there is what's going on. And by the way, I'm not special. There are other people like me. And I implore people that are listening right now to find those people and stop consuming the other people.

[Michael]

Mic drop, Gary V. Time on the.

[Lauren]

Show, always a charm.

[Michael]

This one was a lot of range, Gary.

[Lauren]

Yes, we definitely.

[Michael]

You know, it's a lot of rain.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. Yes.

[Lauren]

That was butthole dick tits. Like, we definitely. It was a little bit of a sixth grade show.

[Michael]

I don't know if you're promoting anything right now, but I'm gonna call you out and say that I actually, actually read your book to my kids and they love it.

[Lauren]

Meet me in the middle.

[Michael]

Yes. And there's two different sides and they love how it switches over.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yeah. I think for all the moms, if you go to vee friends.com cartoons, this whole theme, you know, I can sit and talk about it or I can do something about it. Four years ago, I decided that I was not only the byproduct of a great mom Jersey, immigration, like, you know, love, entrepreneurship, the American dream, but I was also the byproduct of kids television that was pushing good agenda. I used to watch he man and.

[Lauren]

It was super cool.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And at the end, all 80s boys stand up on this one. Remember this?

[Lauren]

You'd watch He Man. It was cool. It wasn't virtue signaling. Like, it was like beat the skeletor and like, cool. And then at the end, he man would show up on the screen at the end of the cartoon as Adam, which is who he was before he.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Man and be like, hey, Kids, don't.

[Lauren]

Forget, be nice to your sister.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I was like, oh, fuck.

[Lauren]

He man told me to be nice to my sister. Like, let's get over here.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You're the best.

[Lauren]

So five years ago, I started Vee Friends.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

We have 20 cartoons right now on YouTube. Kids. If you have kids between three and eight, I could not recommend it. More veriends.com cartoons that on. Please put it on, guys. We read the book.

[Michael Bostick]

We gotta go to the cartoon channel.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

And by the way, I've really built this IP, so it's 250 characters. It's my Pokemon meets Marvel meets Sesame Street. But you'll like this. I really made two of the girl characters, like the alphas of the whole world. The fearless fairy and the ambitious angel are two of like, the five most important characters, but also the competitive clown. So, like, my cartoons and parents, please watch the cartoons. You're gonna laugh the cartoons for the kids. But it's also poking at you guys.

[Michael]

Okay?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Some of the stuff we talk, like, when you watch a cartoon, it's a little bit like.

[Lauren]

Like, yeah. And like, eighth place trophies lead to suicidal thoughts. Not really, but. But it's like, I'm really poking at it.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Okay. I'm like, really poking at it.

[Lauren]

So I think it's fun for parents.

[Lauren Everts]

Do you voice anything?

[Lauren]

I. I did voice. You know what's funny? I didn't, but. AI, Sora too.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I don't know if you guys know what SORA2 is.

[Michael]

No.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So everybody needs to download Sora too. It's open AI's TikTok, where all the content is. AI, watch this. So you'll love this.

[Michael]

Oh, so cute.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Look at this. So this. You're gonna love this. This is me in AI form.

[Michael]

What do you mean?

[Michael Bostick]

It's like, not.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's.

[Michael Bostick]

That's him.

[Michael]

AI, how do you make your. That doesn't look like you.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Well, you know what?

[Lauren]

Well, so literally, I just. That's not.

[Michael]

That's not you.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

This one's even better.

[Michael]

Can you give it feedback?

[Lauren]

Oh, they see it.

[Michael]

Tell them your voice is a little too high. Your voice is lower.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

They know, like, it's early, but the fact that it's already that good, it's insane. Where's it going to be in two years?

[Lauren]

That was me typing Gary Vee motivating.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Penguins to not be scared of the sun. Enter. And that mate was made with Sora. With Sora too.

[Michael]

So you used your voice from Sora for the cartoon.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

So where I was going is there's a character in Vee Friends called Gary. B.

[Michael]

Okay.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

B, E, E. And I'm going to be the voice of him.

[Michael Bostick]

And is it a B?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

It's a B.

[Michael Bostick]

It's a B.

[Michael]

That's genius that you have a cartoon. I think that's so smart.

[Lauren Everts]

And you ever need some cameo voices.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah.

[Michael]

Can I do a cameo?

[Lauren]

Yeah, for sure.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Can I be, like, Ambitious angel or.

[Michael]

One of the characters that's Alpha?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Yes, you can.

[Michael]

Can I actually.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Michael]

I will do it. It for free.

[Lauren Everts]

We'll do it for free.

[Michael Bostick]

And I need to.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

You need to.

[Lauren]

You need to audition.

[Michael Bostick]

I want to be.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I know. I want to be.

[Michael Bostick]

I want to be. What's the character?

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

I want to be Humble Hedgehog.

[Michael Bostick]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Lauren]

What about Helpful Hippo?

[Michael Bostick]

I'll be helping Hippo. I love helping Hippo.

[Lauren Everts]

All right, Gary.

[Gary Vaynerchuk]

Anyway, love you guys. I gotta run.

[Lauren Everts]

Thank you so much.

[Michael]

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[Gary Vaynerchuk]

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[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

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