How Air Quality Affects Longevity, Indoor Home Health, & Healing After Wildfires Ft. Mike Feldstein Founder Of Jaspr

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast Episode: How Air Quality Affects Longevity, Indoor Home Health, & Healing After Wildfires Ft. Mike Feldstein Founder Of Jaspr Release Date: May 2, 2025

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Introduction

In this enlightening episode of The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast, hosts Lauryn Evarts Bosstick and Michael Bosstick delve into the often-overlooked aspect of health: air quality. Featuring special guest Mike Feldstein, founder of Jasper—a revolutionary air purification company—the conversation uncovers the hidden dangers lurking in our indoor environments and the profound impact of external factors like wildfires on our well-being.

The Hidden Dangers of Indoor Air Quality

Lauryn opens the discussion by highlighting the common obsession with what we consume—food, skincare, supplements—but raises a critical question: "But what about the air we breathe?" She emphasizes that indoor air quality can silently undermine health, introducing listeners to threats such as wildfire smoke, mold, and hidden toxins.

Mike Feldstein elaborates on this point at [01:11]:

"People are not talking about the air. So this episode, we've talked a little bit about this with you. Air awareness, we're going to go really into, we're going to talk about mold allergens, the fires. What people don't know is actually living in the air. We're going to get granular."

Wildfires and Their Long-Term Impact

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to understanding how wildfires affect air quality both during and after the event. Michael shares his extensive background in wildfire restoration and mold cleanup, painting a vivid picture of the lasting damage wildfires can inflict on homes and communities.

Mike Feldstein compares the recent LA fires to historical events, noting their unprecedented scale and the unique challenges posed by burning electric vehicles:

"We've never seen so many electric cars burn. Oh, how many thousands of Tesla batteries burnt with all the chemicals and the lithium and all that aerosolized, airborne." ([06:09])

He references the Fort McMurray wildfire in Alberta, Canada, highlighting how smoke damage rendered entire cities uninhabitable long after the flames were extinguished:

"The smoke damage is very, very significant in these situations." ([06:10])

Mold and Its Health Implications

The conversation shifts to mold as a pervasive indoor allergen. Feldstein criticizes the mold industry's sometimes exaggerated responses, which can lead to unnecessary and costly home renovations. He urges listeners to approach mold remediation with caution, ensuring that actions taken are proportionate to the actual problem.

Mike Feldstein at [34:26]:

"This was a road to hell paved with good intention situation. ... you're moving out for six months and they spend, get a huge mortgage. They actually move into an apartment that's moldier than the home that they started with."

Jasper Air Purifiers: A Solution to Poor Air Quality

Central to the episode is the introduction of Jasper air purifiers. Feldstein explains the company's mission to create commercial-grade air purifiers that are both effective and aesthetically pleasing, unlike traditional industrial machines. He shares success stories, including significant reductions in particulate matter in homes affected by wildfires.

At [11:09], Feldstein shares a notable case:

"He had 1.4 million particles. She had 250,000. Those are big numbers, but like 600,000 is normal."

He highlights Jasper's effectiveness in improving indoor air quality, which in turn enhances sleep quality and overall health—a key factor in longevity.

Practical Takeaways: Improving Indoor Air Quality

The hosts and Feldstein provide actionable advice for listeners looking to enhance their home’s air quality:

1. Implement Air Purifiers: Prioritize placing an air purifier in the bedroom, as it’s the room where you spend a third of your life. Feldstein mentions:

   "Your bedroom, like, keep it cranking at night so at least where you're personally breathing will be filtered." ([27:57])

2. Conduct a Home Air Assessment: Feldstein offers tips on identifying air quality issues, such as visible mold or persistent musty smells, and stresses the importance of using reliable air testing methods.

3. Mold Remediation Caution: Avoid overreacting to mold tests without visible evidence. Feldstein advises:

   "If you can't find mold, physical black stuff growing, don't start gutting your home." ([42:54])

4. Optimize Ventilation: Balance the need for fresh air with concerns about outdoor pollutants like pollen. Lauryn shares personal strategies:

   "If you add the Jasper, it's better to open the windows in the morning, then after, close them." ([33:34])

5. Regular Maintenance: Keep ventilation systems like ducts and furnace filters clean to prevent the circulation of allergens and pollutants.

Personal Experiences and Case Studies

The Bossticks share their firsthand experiences with air quality issues during the LA wildfires, providing relatable anecdotes that underscore the severity of the situation. Lauryn recounts recording a podcast with Ivanka Trump on the day a massive wildfire erupted in LA, leading to immediate realization of the fire’s unprecedented impact.

Lauryn Evarts Bosstick at [04:07]:

"I was like, holy shit, this is. This is massive. We haven't seen anything like that."

Additionally, Feldstein discusses tests conducted in post-wildfire LA homes, demonstrating the drastic differences in air quality between homes equipped with Jasper air purifiers and those without.

The Intersection of Air Quality and Education

In an unexpected yet insightful segment, Feldstein introduces Kindling Academy, a new Montessori school focused on creating the healthiest learning environment. By integrating Jasper air purifiers into every classroom, the school aims to reduce absenteeism and illness among students—a direct testament to the benefits of clean air.

Mike Feldstein at [53:24]:

"So the mission is for the school is to make the healthiest school in America."

Through Kindling Academy, Feldstein emphasizes the broader societal benefits of prioritizing air quality, not just for individual health but also for community well-being and educational outcomes.

Conclusion

This episode of The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast serves as a comprehensive guide to understanding and improving indoor air quality. With expert insights from Mike Feldstein, listeners gain a deeper appreciation of the intricate relationship between the air they breathe and their overall health and longevity. The practical tips and real-life examples provided empower individuals to take actionable steps towards a healthier living environment.

Notable Quotes:

• Mike Feldstein ([05:31]): "Both are bad. During is worse. It's like unbreathable."
• Lauryn Evarts Bosstick ([20:16]): "It's almost like if it exists. Why would you not utilize a tool like this?"
• Michael Bosstick ([39:29]): "The best sleep of my life, by the way."

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Note: For detailed insights and access to Jasper’s air purification solutions, listeners are encouraged to visit Jasper’s website and explore their offerings tailored for comprehensive indoor air health.

Transcript

[Lauren Everts]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Michael Bostick]

Fantastic. And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie.

[Lauren Everts]

And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostick are bringing you along for the ride.

[Mike Feldstein]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Michael Bostick]

Welcome to the Skinny Confidential. Him and her.

[Lauren Everts]

Hello everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential. Him and her show. We are all obsessed over what we put in our bodies, our food or skincare supplements. But what about the air we breathe? Turns out your home's air might be silently wrecking your health. Between wildfire, smoke, mold and hidden toxins, today's guest is pulling back the curtain on what's really in your air. Mike Feldstein is the founder of Jasper, a revolutionary air purification company born out of disaster response. He's here to break down the dark truths about air quality. What's floating around your home. Expose the hidden danger of wildfire smoke, why most air purifiers are just band aids and so much more. If you care about your health, your sleep longevity, this episode will give you takeaways on how you can breathe better air. Starting today. With that, let's get into the show. This is the Skinny Confidential.

[Michael Bostick]

Him and her.

[Mike Feldstein]

Everyone is cold plunging. They're sa. They care about the water they drink. They're using non toxic cleaning supplies, seed oils, fragrances, working out, lifting weights. But people are not talking about the air. So this episode, we've talked a little bit about this with you. Air awareness, we're going to go really into, we're going to talk about mold allergens, the fires. What people don't know is actually living in the air. We're going to get granular.

[Michael Bostick]

Let's do it.

[Mike Feldstein]

First, just give the audience a little bit of your expertise, like give us some context about you.

[Michael Bostick]

And if you didn't hear the last episode that I was on, check the show notes for the previous one because it would be great to reference that. That one's like part one.

[Mike Feldstein]

Yep.

[Michael Bostick]

So if anyone hasn't heard that one, that one would be a good one to check out for like setting the foundation.

[Mike Feldstein]

That one blew everyone's mind. I got so many dms about that episode, no one had any idea what was in their air.

[Michael Bostick]

So this is part two. So if you haven't listened, check that one out. Okay. Yeah. My background was in wildfire restoration, mold cleanup, air quality consulting. So I was the guy who would travel around to fires, floods, hurricanes, and rebuild homes and clean up toxic homes to get people back in there. And then in between Disasters. I would consult people on their air. So if people were sick at home and they didn't know why, they've done all the detoxes, they were doing the sauna, they've done the supplements, they're doing all the things they're supposed to do, and then they've just been sick, unwell for years. Not sick sick, but tired. Just not optimal. Then they go on vacation one time or on a camping trip and they feel great and they're like, whoa, I'm cured. They go home, they're sick again. Is my home making me sick? We were the guys who would go out to your home and figure out if something in your indoor environment is potentially making you sick. That could be allergens, that could be mold, that could be a number of things after. So that, that is what my background was before doing this stuff.

[Mike Feldstein]

What is the grossest thing you have discovered in someone's air?

[Michael Bostick]

I mean, it's usually the same few things, but it's all. It's almost always the same as just in what concentration? There's always mold, there's always pollen, there's always. There's always insect parts. Every single breath we take. That one's pretty gross. Insect parts in any baby's nursery, there's fecal matter, especially if those diapers aren't getting outside. That's pretty gross. Doesn't get that much more gross than poo. Of course. There's glyphosate, there's allergens, there's dust mites, There's a lot of gross stuff. Just like your water, right? Like, we know we have to filter our water, tap water is pretty gross. But we're all breathing tap air all day long.

[Mike Feldstein]

With what happened to LA recently, it was wild. But what my brain went to was when everything got lit on fire, there's all this off gassing happening. So, like, say someone's house was on fire and the fire was done. All of those chemicals, the paint, the toxins, the nail polish, whatever, is all in the air. Is that correct?

[Michael Bostick]

Completely.

[Mike Feldstein]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

But your, your guys is timing on your move from L. A couldn't have been better.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, you know, we moved. We. We moved in 2020. But funny enough, we happened to be in LA the day that happened.

[Mike Feldstein]

So sad.

[Lauren Everts]

And we were flying in. We recorded a podcast with Ivanka Trump. We've never actually been told this story live. I'll just tell you, we recorded the podcast with her the morning the LA fire started here in this studio that you're sitting in now.

[Michael Bostick]

Wow.

[Lauren Everts]

And the very same day we recorded with Tony Robbins in la, which was kind of logistically a total mess, but it was the only day that we could all get together and, and make that happen so that all those episodes got done. And we obviously wanted to interview both of them. So we started here in the morning, shot over there, and we were like. While we were interviewing Tony, I kept looking out the window. I'm like, what the hell is going on out there in the sky? Because we're in our LA studios. And yeah, so we were there when that happened. And we were planned to stay for a while, but then obviously we wanted to clear out of there and free up room for people that needed hotel space. Cause, you know, we're not local there anymore. But of all my years, because we grew up in California and there was all, you know, San Diego had wildfires, Louisiana had fires, NorCal had fires. Like, I'd say like every other year there's some fire in one of those places. Just like, if you're from California, you know what I'm talking about. But when I saw that going, I was like, holy shit, this is. This is massive. We haven't seen anything like that.

[Mike Feldstein]

I guess what my question is, is, is the air worse when the fire is going on or is it actually worse afterwards when everything is off, gassed?

[Michael Bostick]

Both are bad. During is worse. It's like unbreathable. But the thing is this, this fire is truly like unprecedented. Unprecedented.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm saying it was like, of all the years I've seen fires, this is different. Yeah, it's different.

[Michael Bostick]

So the reason I and I flew out to LA a few weeks after the fire because, like, I have really unique experience from a fire in Fort McMurray, Alberta, Canada, in 2016, where 100,000 people got evacuated. So the whole city was shut down for a month. Smaller city, but the whole city shut down. The reason what I was specializing in there is only 3,000 or so homes burned down. But every single home in the city was unlivable because it got. It got intoxicated by smoke. So the smoke damage is very, very significant in these situations. Now, what's unique about this is this is not just like a regular tree fire, you know, making s'mores in your backyard. You smell a little smoke, and anyone who's ever like, been at a fire, maybe someone had to drink too many, throws their marshmallow bag in the fire. You know what that plastic smells like? You're like, this is not good. So now to your point, we've never seen so many electric cars burn. Oh, how many thousands of Tesla batteries burnt with all the chemicals and the lithium and all that aerosolized, airborne. So, you know, I feel for the people who lost their homes, but you know who's even worse? The person next door who didn't lose their home. The person who lost their home is more than likely 99.9% of the time, they get a brand new house, they get a million dollar check for their possessions. The person who lives down the street, their home is unlivable and insurance is saying go home. So homes typically burn at about 2000 degrees Fahrenheit. At about 1100 degrees, steel loses half of its strength. So when I was in LA and I was taking some pictures, there was metal rivers going down people's driveways. Because the metal in your car, it just turns into like literally liquid liquefied aluminum, molten aluminum. So in this case we have the 12,000 plus homes, 20,000 plus cars, many of which are EV. Every paint, toxin, chemical gets in your soil, gets in your water, gets in your homes. It's on another level in terms of what we've ever seen before. So I went there and I started testing the air. Also Kayla Barnes, she's a biohacker who lives in la and she's been testing her blood for a couple of years monthly. So she got her blood work post fire. Her heavy metals, her mycotoxins and her chemicals are off the charts.

[Lauren Everts]

You know who also posted something similar to that is Brian Johnson. Because he's like, he posted, he's like, oh, who else is, you know, he's been measuring his body so consistently for so long and what happened and same thing, he had issues.

[Michael Bostick]

This is the moment when the biohacker is getting their blood work every month. It's really useful data. Whether or not everybody else is playing that longevity game, it's super impactful to see that data before and after. So this is, this is a big one. You know, at the, at the least, bad situation is it all blows over and in six, seven months the air is okay. At the worst, this is like a 911 situation where everybody gets really sick. So I'm pretty concerned. We tested a lot of people's air and so when it rains, everyone's like, it's all good. So actually I was testing the air all throughout the day. When it did rain, the air actually got worse when it was raining. Then the next couple days was way better, but it actually had got worse for a little bit because the rain's kicking up all the Particles. And then because a lot of those homes, almost basically all of them, there's still piles of ash. So every time the wind blows it and kicks that up into the air, it just starts the process again. Basically what people also don't understand is even in a fire like Fort McMurray, the air quality was compromised. Six months after the fire. It can be years. It could be because it's soil, it's the water, it's your insulation, your carpets, your couching, your couches, your clothing, anything that can absorb water, absorb smoke and air and toxins. So with this LA fire situation, it's a big problem.

[Mike Feldstein]

How are people going to feel if they know they've been affected by the air quality?

[Michael Bostick]

It's sometimes it's a little chronic and it's hard to tell, like when you're not paying attention.

[Mike Feldstein]

It's like allergies, fatigue or something.

[Michael Bostick]

It could be that. It could also be like, you know, the kind of thing that gives you cancer in five years. Not everything has a symptom immediately. For a lot of people though, like if you talk to pediatricians and doctors and basically it's a big stressor. It's a big toxin that's coming in now. So, like, everything's just up. You know, asthma is worse, autoimmune is worse. It's just like another. Another stressor on top of already kind of polluted life in Los Angeles. But it's the something that I was. It was bittersweet for us, but there was two folks, because I went around offering free air testing because I just wanted to see what the levels were. And because of my experience in Fort McMurray. Fort McMurray, I'm like, uniquely qualified to detox homes from smoke, so.

[Mike Feldstein]

By the way, that was nice of you.

[Michael Bostick]

It was nice, but I need, like, I need to know. I mostly was visiting Jasper customers and then anyone that they referred us to, I just put up an Instagram post and like free air testing for a week and just drove around and checked things out because like most people, you could have someone who's been doing restoration for 50 years, they're really used to kitchen fires and dryer fires, but they don't know regional smoke damage. So I have this, like, really unique experience of this, of this type of situation. So we went there and Ashley and Javier, if you guys are listening, they lived one floor apart in the same apartment building. She had a Jasper, he had nothing. Also, even if people had air filters, a lot of them lost power. So if that's the case, your Home got messed up. If you had four or five filters and you had power, you're okay because you were filtering the toxins in as they were coming in. Her home had really good air. His home was almost unlivable. He had 1.4 million particles. She had 250,000. Those are big numbers, but like 600,000 is normal. So that was like a cool moment for me.

[Mike Feldstein]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

To just see how Jasper held up to like that level of toxins and that level of situation.

[Mike Feldstein]

Is there anything people can do for free today with their air?

[Michael Bostick]

Yes. So at the far end of the spectrum, you have someone who totally lost their home. Bit sad, but it's a straightforward process. You need to get a new home and for them you actually look up schedule of loss or. Yeah, schedule of loss. It's basically when you're dealing with a fire, you really need to advocate for yourself with these insurance companies. So you basically make a spreadsheet itemizing everything you had the problem to not.

[Lauren Everts]

You know, again, like the reason this is such a mess is there's plenty of people that I know over there that fit the bucket you're talking about, which they lost their house, they're insured. They're likely getting new houses sometimes in new cities, new places, even better rebuilding with. Have a lot of those people and they, and you know, a lot of them are wealthy people, but it was also in an area that was not wealthy. And a lot of these people.

[Michael Bostick]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

Lost insurance because of. Again, like I'm not going to get going on a rant on California, but the insurance companies were screaming for a long time that some of these policies needed to be changed in order for them to continue to insure the state. And the adjacency I correlated to my. In my mind is if you go for a life insurance policy and you super sick or you have something, likely you're going to get denied insurance.

[Michael Bostick]

Exactly. Good analogy.

[Lauren Everts]

Right. And so like these insurance companies have so much data. So if they're, if you're. The state should have recognized that if there's a bunch of insurance companies screaming that they're not going to continue to insure people. That is the insurance company putting their data together saying, we know something is going to happen. Not, not that it's, it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. For those people, they, they don't have the opportunity to go through any of this. They just lost everything and it's like there's nothing they can do. No, it's terrible.

[Mike Feldstein]

It is so they need to put, go back to what you were saying. They need to.

[Michael Bostick]

What can they do?

[Mike Feldstein]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

So if people, no matter what, be very diligent with your schedule of loss. Remember the insurance company's not your friend. It's kind of like a cop who pulls you over, who makes nice and then writes you up a ticket. The adjuster is going to pretend to be your best friend ever record every single phone call you ever have. So number one, if they're recording, you record too. So if they ever say, hey, this call is recorded, get your voice recorder out and you want to record every single call you have with insurance. If they ever promise you anything, say hey, really appreciate that for my records, can you just shoot me a one liner email confirming that right now? If you have that in writing, you're gold. But often they'll promise you stuff. Next week it's a new adjuster on the fire like. But they told me, where's the proof? You're screwed. So document, document, document. Put your journalist hat on here. Now to the next tier of people who their. If you came back to your house and there was ash or smoke in the home or your smoke filter was very, your, your furnace filter was very discolored, that means your home got heavily drenched with toxic smoke. So same with you. You need to be, you need to be opening an insurance claim. A lot of people are, but a lot of people just don't think about it. They go home, they clean and that's it. No, no, no.

[Lauren Everts]

And you're saying not just related to California. You can do this kind of insurance claim for any, any insurance policy, any.

[Michael Bostick]

Smoke, any smoke situation. So this could apply to anyone in the country time who had a big smoke issue. If there's ash and soot and normally if there's ash and soot in your windowsill, that means your window's blue, which means your windows have to get replaced and it's not okay to clean your couch. Sure, we could clean the outside of the couch, but the inside, the foam and everything that's porous, it's all drenched with smoke. You cannot clean the inside of a couch. So you need to be advocating for you and your family. If you had. This is for people who had ash and soot in their homes. Your home was for sure contaminated. A proper restoration claim. Your insulation is getting replaced, your carpets all getting ripped out, all your furniture, your bedding, your clothing is being replaced, every book, it's porous. So anything that could get wet needs to be replaced. Also chachi Beat is amazing at this because you're going to be fighting with your insurance. They're going to say, you have to keep this. You just say, hey, buddy. Hey, GPT. I need you to explain to my insurance company why a couch cannot be salvaged. It's masterful. So that's a really good resource for people.

[Mike Feldstein]

Jeez, Mike.

[Michael Bostick]

Now we have our next category. People, you're like five miles from the fire. You're like, we didn't have ash and soot in the house per se, but it definitely smelled smoky when we moved home. What should we do? This is the big, this is the millions of people. This is everyone who's like, we're not that bad. We're not okay. You're not that okay. So people who lived in New York City a couple years ago when Quebec fires blew in. People never thought New York City could turn into that apocalyptic state it did. If you go to their homes now and we test their carpet or their bedding or their furniture, we can still find smoke, soot and ash. And that fire was thousands of miles away. So imagine LA and the Tesla batteries and the chemicals. So if you live within 15, 20 miles and you smelt smoke outside at all. Smelt the smoke outside. It came inside too. There's no magical air barrier between your home and the outside. So what you have to be doing is what I call a DIY smoke detox of your home. Which is, which is. So basically it should look something like this. All your clothing should be taken out of the home to be cleaned. Dry cleaner would be a great way to go. Like wash and fold's fine too. But all your clothes needs to leave the home because it's porous. While your clothes is out of the home, you want to get all of your carpets. If you have carpets, get all your carpets, your bedding and your furniture steam cleaned. Professionally steam cleaned. So now all the. Because, because you don't want. If you leave your clothes there and then you're cleaning some stuff haphazardly, you can recontaminate stuff.

[Mike Feldstein]

But insurance doesn't pay for this, right?

[Michael Bostick]

This is, this is the diy.

[Mike Feldstein]

Fuck.

[Michael Bostick]

It's going to be two grand or so. This is the diy. This is the. You're on your own. It's not an insurance.

[Mike Feldstein]

A lot of time.

[Michael Bostick]

You can use money here to supplement time or it's really a lot of time. But you know, getting your clothes cleaned. As someone. I've cleaned the home of hundreds and hundreds of people's homes. You're probably looking at about a 700 dry cleaning, slash clothes cleaning bill for like the average family of four's stuff. And that's.

[Mike Feldstein]

Thank God we don't have to clean your clothes, Michael.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, it'd be a little Michael's like.

[Mike Feldstein]

I mean, oh my God.

[Lauren Everts]

Go ahead, nail that. Might take that average up a bit.

[Michael Bostick]

You might take the average up. So while you're doing that, you're getting your furniture and your carpet steam cleaned. You're also getting your ducts cleaned. Cuz the ducts are the lungs of your home. So we want to get those cleaned. So now we have clean clothes, we have clean couches, beds, all that good stuff. We're getting our ducts cleaned as well. And then the, the last thing is treat this like a construction job. Everybody knows when you get a bathroom renovated, the dust goes everywhere no matter how good. They could isolate the room. So what you want to do is you want to get basically a construction deep clean. It's going to be two or three cleaners for a whole day, maybe two. They're going to be, you know, pulling, pulling furniture back, removing plates and cups and cutlery, like a deep, deep clean. So this is, you know, a couple thousand dollars situation. But if you don't do that, and this is especially true if you weren't filtering your air or if you lost power, the alternative is you have lithium smoke in your bed, in your furniture. This is not an option like you need, you need to make time and budget for this and a lot of it's elbow grease. So you could also rent a steam cleaner, rent a HEPA vacuum. You could spend four or five days and do this all yourself. But you know, you can't clean your own ducts. So this is essential though.

[Mike Feldstein]

So if someone was 15 to 20 miles away from the fire, they still need to be proactive about the smoke that is living in their homes big time.

[Michael Bostick]

By the way, I went to the studio for like eight I kept, I was having one on one chats with everybody like an hour, an hour, an hour. So I went to a studio here in Austin and I recorded like a two hour smoke detox master class. Okay, it's free. I did this just to not have the conversations. I talk about how to assess the damage in your home, how to restore your own home, how to deal with insurance, how to deal with contractors, all that stuff. It's Jasper Co smoke. Okay, so J P R do smoke.

[Mike Feldstein]

And gives you the master class.

[Michael Bostick]

If you live in LA and you're anywhere within 20, 30 miles and it's a choose your own adventure. So it's like a bunch of little five minute segments so you don't have to watch some long two hour video. Pick the little thing that applies to your situation and that will be helpful if you live in la.

[Mike Feldstein]

I have worked really hard on my home when it comes to picking paints and using non toxic cleaning supplies and just being thoughtful about everything we're doing. If let's say someone is using like Windex every single day, does the air filter clean the chemicals from. From toxic cleaning supplies or toxic paints?

[Michael Bostick]

So yeah, anything that touches the filter is going to be caught by it. So it's going to be great for paints, it's going to be great for chemicals, for toxins, for so it pulls.

[Mike Feldstein]

The c. So even if you're like I love Windex, I can't live without it. It's my favorite thing ever.

[Michael Bostick]

The it can't be 100% cuz some of it might have got into surfaces.

[Mike Feldstein]

But the air, but the air filter is still helping to clean.

[Lauren Everts]

But I think like the core of like this messaging on this listen, some people are going to, you know, keep doing what they're doing. But for sure, I think the core of this show and this messaging is like, listen, we are offering, we're not telling you, but we're at least offering resources for healthier cleaning supplies, healthier beauty supplies, healthier food options, healthier ways to live. Like that's what this whole show is about. And if you're doing all those things, you should also be looking at healthy clean air alternatives like the Jasper because it's just taking it to the. It's almost like if it exists. Why would you not utilize a tool like this?

[Michael Bostick]

It's the laziest way to be healthy.

[Lauren Everts]

For me it's like it kind of doesn't make sense to get a Jasper and then spray Windex everywhere or use toxic paint. You should have those bases.

[Mike Feldstein]

Coming up, I realized what this show is, okay. It's like a buffet. So the buffet, you might want pineapple, you might want cottage cheese. You might. Michael doesn't want cottage cheese. You might want a croissant and you might want oatmeal. You got to pick and choose what you like. Personally, for me, the air I breathe and the air my kids breathe and my dogs are breathing and Michael is breathing is really important to me, which is why I'm passionate about this. And I think that out of all of the wellness categories, this one gets the least attention for now. Which is wild because you're Breathing it all.

[Michael Bostick]

You live in it.

[Lauren Everts]

What's the analogy as like the fish that's swimming in the dirty water that has.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, like what water is to fish, air is to people. So if you think about a ho. A fishbowl, what do you. If you have a fish tank, you got to get a water filter. You can't just, like, let the water be dirty and scrub the perimeter. If you have a swimming pool, you don't jump in there with a sponge and scrub the sides of the pool. You get a water filter or that pool is going to get nasty. Meanwhile, with our air, with our homes, we're spending all this time wiping kitchen counters, vacuuming, mopping, all this stuff. But the air or the air within our home, we're not even filtering it. So when you look at a carpet and if you ever seen steam cleaning, it's like, black. The water comes out black. 50% of what's on your carpet came from surface pets, kids, food. The other 50% comes from your air. Carpets are actually the biggest filter in your home. We just don't treat them like that. We don't clean them, we don't change them. We just let them sit. So, yeah, the. The. What water is to fish, air is to people is the way to think about it. And fish don't tend to swim away from the toxic water to the clean water. Just like we have no awareness of the air that we're in the same. Same thing with the fish. Yep.

[Lauren Everts]

Hello, everybody. Now for one of the most exciting parts of the show because I have three bottles of delicious tequila right here in front of me. Not one, not two, but three. And they are a straw tequila. I have the Reposado with a Michael engraved bottle. I have a Blanco with a happy birthday, Michael engraved bottle. And then I have the Anejo. Looks like we and gave up on the engraving on that one. But two out of three, not bad. My drink of choice for years and always when I'm out at the bar, when I'm meeting up with friends, is tequila. I think it's one of the cleanest alcohols you can have. You drink it, you feel good, you have a great time with friends, and you can enjoy it in so many different ways. This is why I'm so excited to be partnering with a stroll. Astrol makes a premium tequila that is crafted using 100% Blue Agave. It's an incredible tequila, and like I said, you can enjoy it in so many different ways. 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[Mike Feldstein]

Where is the air the worst? Like if you had to put an air filter in one room in your bedroom, it's the worst in the bedroom. Why?

[Michael Bostick]

It's not just that it's the worst. It's. It's the same, but it's the most important because you're sleeping, you're sleeping, you're there a third of your life. While your body's supposed to Be getting parasympathetic, resting, recovering, healing. It's playing defense against the pollen and the mold and all that. All night long.

[Mike Feldstein]

And one is enough for the whole room. You don't need for a bedroom.

[Michael Bostick]

One's amazing.

[Mike Feldstein]

Okay, okay. Just making like you don't need one for the bathroom, too.

[Michael Bostick]

No, you don't.

[Mike Feldstein]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

No. Unless you spend a third of your life in the bathroom. Then you might want to consider.

[Lauren Everts]

Is it bad that I like once I'll just go in there, even if the air shows green, and I'll hit that turbo.

[Michael Bostick]

Turbo's good. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Hit the.

[Michael Bostick]

Turbo's good.

[Mike Feldstein]

Yeah, you love to do that. That's his favorite.

[Michael Bostick]

Do a quick deep clean.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I know. I'm going to bed in like 30 minutes. I'll hit that turbo.

[Michael Bostick]

I do it. Turbo.

[Mike Feldstein]

That's his contribution to the night. I'm turning on all the red light and getting the 528 Ertz on. He gets the turbo.

[Michael Bostick]

He's more efficient.

[Mike Feldstein]

Yeah, it is. No, it does.

[Lauren Everts]

It hit the turbo in the kids rooms, too.

[Mike Feldstein]

The nursery is another, in my opinion, maybe the second most important place to put it. Oh, I thought you said the bedroom.

[Michael Bostick]

Well, the nursery's a bedroom for a baby.

[Mike Feldstein]

Okay, fair, fair, fair. So when you're.

[Lauren Everts]

I think we put our room first.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, everyone does.

[Mike Feldstein]

No, I did put my own room first. I put it by my bed, too.

[Lauren Everts]

Listen, these little. These little guys, they got better immune systems. They're stronger. They got more resilience, you know?

[Mike Feldstein]

How does fecal matter get into the air, though, to begin with?

[Michael Bostick]

Diapers. A lot of people don't take the diapers out. They put in a little diaper pail.

[Mike Feldstein]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

And if you've ever gone into a nursery with a diaper pail, it stinks like poo. Those things aren't actually airtight. Just the same way you smell garbage.

[Mike Feldstein]

Should we be taking the diaper out every time you don't. We put it. No, we have the room.

[Lauren Everts]

It's not.

[Michael Bostick]

At least daily.

[Mike Feldstein]

Hold on.

[Lauren Everts]

Of course. Daily.

[Mike Feldstein]

Yeah, we do daily.

[Lauren Everts]

It's not.

[Michael Bostick]

Fine.

[Lauren Everts]

It's not in the room. It's in the. It's in the bathroom.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay. And then that. Does that get outside daily?

[Lauren Everts]

Yes, it goes out.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay. Yeah. Don't let that thing stew.

[Mike Feldstein]

Don't let it. Does it go outside daily?

[Lauren Everts]

Every day.

[Mike Feldstein]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

Not update those sops when you get home.

[Mike Feldstein]

If I have to be pregnant, you're going to have to take the dirty diapers out every day.

[Lauren Everts]

You don't Even know where the diapers go, do you? What are you doing?

[Mike Feldstein]

I'm not going to.

[Lauren Everts]

You just got caught. You just got called out.

[Mike Feldstein]

You haven't been the baby in the trash. I'll grow the baby and I'll take care of the kids and you take the diapers.

[Lauren Everts]

Even know where the diaper pill is?

[Mike Feldstein]

I'm not a diaper pal.

[Lauren Everts]

She just got called out.

[Mike Feldstein]

No, I'm. That's your job. Take the If. Why am I married? You don't take it out. This is what I say to him about the trash. Why, if I don't have a coffee and my trash can all. Figure it out. What. What's the point?

[Lauren Everts]

I figured out. I mean, listen, selfishly, I just don't want diapers all over the house, you know?

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Mike Feldstein]

Okay, so. So what we can do is we can put an air filter in. What else? Should we open the windows? What are the other things we can.

[Michael Bostick]

Do for free for the smoke people? We're past smoke or we're still on.

[Mike Feldstein]

No, we're on fecal matter.

[Michael Bostick]

We're on fecal matter.

[Mike Feldstein]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

Get the diapers out, clean the air. Low voc. Paint. Ideally, you. If you're going to get your nursery ready, paint as early as possible.

[Mike Feldstein]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

If you're going to be painting, paint early because the off gassing is the most extreme early on. So if you paint like a month before your baby is born, that off gassing is still heavy. So you want to paint as early as you can before your baby comes out. You also, ideally, if the temperature is good, open the windows in the nursery so it can breathe. You want that nursery breathing?

[Mike Feldstein]

I open the windows in my house all day long.

[Michael Bostick]

Perfect.

[Mike Feldstein]

You. We were introduced by Ryan.

[Michael Bostick]

Yes.

[Mike Feldstein]

Of test my home. That's how you and I met.

[Michael Bostick]

It is.

[Mike Feldstein]

And he, like, raved about you, and he's very, very specific on which products that he uses. And he told me, whenever you light a fire in the morning, because we turn our fire on. He said you have to open the doors. And you're. I'm constantly airing the house out to the point where Michael wants to kill me.

[Lauren Everts]

Here's why I want to ask you this now. I think it's a relevant time, especially this season, especially in Austin, but other places, too, in the country and in the world. Allergies are crazy right now. Cedar pollen is all over the place. So I am battling opening the windows, which I like to do and want to do, as well as the pollens and the allergies outside of the house. And so how would you think about managing that at this time of the year?

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. If the allergens are like. So when we test a home indoor, there's typically five times more pollen inside than outside. So you think it's a bad allergen. It's trapped. It comes in. You guys, you have pretty clean air at your home. So this is not really a problem for you.

[Mike Feldstein]

It's in. It's more inside than outside.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, because it comes inside.

[Mike Feldstein]

So what he's saying is open the door.

[Michael Bostick]

No, he's not. Oh, if you don't have air filters. Yes. If you're filtering your air, like it's same. Think about it like a mini wildfire smoke. If the outside air is really bad and you have a bunch of air filters, then you want to close your doors a little bit more and let those filters go.

[Mike Feldstein]

I like fresh air though. What do I do about that?

[Michael Bostick]

I would say the morning is your best time. Like especially now in Austin, the mornings are cool. Fresh. So when things are cool, cars aren't yet on the road. There's not as much. When things heat up, they aerosolize more.

[Lauren Everts]

She's not, she's not as affected by the pollen as I am. But what I can tell, like right now, if you open the windows in the middle of the day in the heat in Austin, like you are just getting bombarded with pollen.

[Mike Feldstein]

You know, I. For this episode, I went and asked our mutual friend Ryan about which paints to use. And you were talking about nurseries and the. The four paints that he says that are non toxic. We'll leave it in the show notes.

[Michael Bostick]

Sure.

[Mike Feldstein]

Ecos paints, clear paint, CLAR E, AM F Safecoat paint, and Romo Bio Lime wash paint.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay. For four good paints.

[Mike Feldstein]

He said these are really great for people with chemical sensitivities and they are all catered towards healthier indoor environments. Maybe we need a. Because Jasper is like the prettiest color the air. I love how you did the color tone. I know that's random. No, but maybe we need. It wasn't by accident a collab of that color with one of these paint companies. We could do it because then we could just paint the nursery. Ah, cute, right?

[Michael Bostick]

Very cute.

[Mike Feldstein]

I know. It would be such a fun collab. You could paint the nursery with non toxic.

[Michael Bostick]

You got any paint on the. On the. On the docket coming out.

[Mike Feldstein]

I am about to. I am about to paint a nursery.

[Michael Bostick]

Do it soon.

[Mike Feldstein]

Yeah. Oh. Oh, I see what you're saying. So you're saying do it now.

[Michael Bostick]

Do it now.

[Mike Feldstein]

And also if I'm going to do wallpaper. Right.

[Michael Bostick]

Do it now.

[Mike Feldstein]

That's so smart.

[Michael Bostick]

Let that room breathe out so you don't take baby out of the baby born. Bring it home, bam, off gas in the face. That's not ideal how?

[Mike Feldstein]

Like, the sooner you do it, the better.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Mike Feldstein]

So you've already painted your nursery this week, starting Sunday. Wow. So you just let it all off gas and open the windows.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, And I'll keep those windows open. I'll keep that door shut. I'll keep a Jasper in that room. So any of the pollen that's coming in through that room will be contained to that space.

[Mike Feldstein]

That is so smart.

[Lauren Everts]

That's okay. So, but to. If you have the Jasper in the house and there's crazy allergies, it's better open the windows in the morning, then after, close them. If the pollen's in there, let them run in the day. But keep the windows especially, like in.

[Michael Bostick]

Your bedroom, like, keep it cranking at night so at least where you're personally breathing will be filtered.

[Lauren Everts]

Because. Because what I'm trying to tell her and like, she. She's fighting me on this is you can get the fresh air in the morning, but if you just let it go all day long in the middle of the day in the heat, you're.

[Michael Bostick]

Opening windows is not the only way to get fresh air in your home. If there's bathroom fans, you could theoretically use those. You could use a range hood. There's other things to vent stale air out in a more controlled way than just opening windows.

[Mike Feldstein]

I'm really about energy, and I don't.

[Michael Bostick]

I know what you mean.

[Mike Feldstein]

Stagnant energy. I like it to flow and move.

[Michael Bostick]

Mornings, then.

[Mike Feldstein]

Michael. Michael. You don't mind a closed window and a curtain and a bright light?

[Lauren Everts]

I don't need the window open all day long with these allergies running around.

[Michael Bostick]

But mold is an allergen, too. Mold is the biggest allergen of the mall. And people don't realize that's outside, that's inside.

[Mike Feldstein]

Let's expose the dark side of the mold industry.

[Michael Bostick]

Let's talk about mold.

[Mike Feldstein]

Talk to us about the mold industry in general. Because you used to be in the mold industry.

[Michael Bostick]

I was. So I was the guy. You probably know people now. They go to the naturopath, they're not feeling good. They hear about this toxic mold disease going around, you know, mold toxicity. They go to a naturopath, they get a blood test, they get a urine test. They go, you got the mold. And then they say, get your house tested. Someone comes out to your home, test your home, you've got the mold, you freak out, you go, I'm sick and I didn't know why. And now my blood work shows mold, My home shows mold. I've got this problem that. And you're kind of, sometimes people are relieved because you're like, this is the, the reason I'm not feeling good. Finally. We've been trying to figure it out. We. Yeah, so we have this path to go down and then they, they go get a quote for mold removal, and someone comes to their house and could tell them, 20, 30, 50, $200,000, we got to rip it all apart. You have to move out for six months. This is the dark side of the mold industry because not every time this. Often the reaction, you know, often the reaction is more damaging than the problem itself. So in this case, a lot of people don't have huge issues. They have moderate airborne mold issues. And I'm, I don't blame anyone here. You know, a lot of people talk about food and insurance and the pharma and all that, and it's like evil corruption stuff. This is not the case here. This was a road to hell paved with good intention situation. So, you know, naturopath functional medicine doc, they're all of a sudden getting tons of people asking about mold illness. So what do they do? They take like a two day course on mold stuff and then there's various types of tests. So a lot of people who are getting tested for mold. Ryan talks about this all the time. Ryan Blazer. An air test skews false negative. An urmy skews false positive. Guess what all the restoration guys use? They use the ERMI because it's an alarmist test by nature. You can run that test basically anywhere. And it's a big scary red report. And I've seen a lot of people who, they move out for six months and they spend, get a huge mortgage. They actually move into an apartment that's moldier than the home that they started with. Now, don't get me wrong, if you have visible physical black mold growing there, it came from water. There's a water source. There was a leak. It could be from a kitchen, it could be from. It could be, you know, a faucet, it could be a shower, it could be a foundation leak. There's water there. You have a mold issue, a roof leak. Yes. Get a restoration guy. Get three quotes, by the way. And don't assume the most expensive person is the best person at all because mold is a very like. Yeah, there's two sayings. They. They used to call it the mold rush, and mold is gold because contractors realized it's $1,000 to demo a bathroom, but it's 10,000 if there's mold in it. It's pretty much the same work. You contain it, you use, you know, antimicrobial cleaning agents, and it's 10 times the revenue. So what's happened is, who do you think is educating a lot of the naturopaths, the mold experts? Like, that's the business I was in. And so they come to your home, and I call it whack a mold. Because often there's no visible mold. They're just testing your air. If you went outside that day and tested, there'd be mold. So it's often like, I don't want to diminish. People who have significant mold issues and need remediation. What I'm saying is there's people that.

[Lauren Everts]

Take advantage of the space big time.

[Mike Feldstein]

You know what it is?

[Michael Bostick]

What is it?

[Mike Feldstein]

The word mold is like, moist. There's something about that word that's like.

[Michael Bostick]

Just the scary word.

[Mike Feldstein]

It's gross. No, it's like scary. No, moist. Moist to scary in certain contexts. No, it's not scary. It's just like.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't know what context is you're thinking of. It's not the context I'm thinking of.

[Mike Feldstein]

Okay, maybe another.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm thinking like a moist muffin. Lauren, what do you mean? What are you thinking of?

[Mike Feldstein]

Lauren, Moist is not how.

[Lauren Everts]

Moist is not like mold. Mold makes me sick.

[Mike Feldstein]

Mold. The word mold is just like a weird word.

[Michael Bostick]

Like, hits you, and you think about the. What experience? You're thinking about your moldy cheese, your moldy fruits, the scary black stuff. So any visual association you have with it.

[Mike Feldstein]

Sphincter. Do you know what I mean? Like, that word is like, so off putting. It makes you want to, like, gag. It's. That's how mold is.

[Michael Bostick]

It also smells. Mold is a smelly thing that, you know, makes you sick. That looks gross. It's gross. It's like the trifecta of scary.

[Mike Feldstein]

How does someone know if they have mold in their home? What are the ailments that you have seen people have from mold where it's bad.

[Michael Bostick]

So typically. And you could have a family of five, One person's health is ravaged, they're chronically ill. Two people just like. It's an allergen. Some people are affected by cedar, some pollen, some peanuts, some mold species. So some people can they? They detox, they methylate. Their body deals with mold really well. Other people, not so well, but often it could be stuff like. It could be asthmatic symptoms, difficulty breathing. It could be dry eyes, it could be skin issues. It could be. You could wake up exhausted. You could find yourself sleeping, like 10 hours a night, waking up exhausted. So a very unrestful sleep.

[Mike Feldstein]

And then if they're breathing with their mouth open, you gotta use my mouth with the Jasper. That's the best sleep of my life, by the way.

[Michael Bostick]

That's the style.

[Mike Feldstein]

The skinny confidential mouth tape with a red light and the Jasper, 528 hertz. Your husband to sleep. It's a. Maybe a red book light. That is the dream. That's the dream habit stuff.

[Michael Bostick]

It's the skinny sleep stack right there.

[Mike Feldstein]

When the mouth is open and there's mold, I'm sure it's like, hell, yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

Also, you're bringing in a lot of carbon dioxide. You're not sleeping efficiently. More filtration. Your nose is a much better filter than your mouth. So. Yes, absolutely. Completely agree with that.

[Mike Feldstein]

Do you tape your mouth shut?

[Michael Bostick]

No. I did for a long time.

[Mike Feldstein]

You got to try it.

[Michael Bostick]

I have, and I think it's really effective. To me, it was honestly, like, I'll probably find myself doing it like a few months out of the year. And it's like training wheels for me. I get. I got pretty proficient and I'm keeping my mouth shut, and then I find myself slipping and I'm back on it. So I use it. I've been using it to recorrect.

[Mike Feldstein]

Let me ask you a question that we've never asked on this podcast I'm so curious about. I know nothing about this specific topic, but I would love to know the. That they're pouring out of airplanes. So I'll give you an example. Like Bakersfield. I know someone who lived there her whole life, and she. There was pesticides that they were spraying or chemicals on all of the plants. What does that do to our air and how do we mitigate against that?

[Michael Bostick]

I don't know specifically. Like, I'm sure different planes spray different things. I could speak to glyphosate, which is like Roundup, which is sprayed on crops everywhere. A lot of people think if they live far out from the city, their air is fine. But all those farms and all those crops, and if you are in the city, people's front lawns are getting sprayed too. All of that stuff aerosolizes. If you think about sunscreen, it's not as fragrant. Because they don't add fragrance to it. But if you think about sunscreen, you can smell that stuff 100ft in any direction. So glyphosate is also aerosolizing, especially if it's hot outside. So, yeah, that's obviously, you know, from the body perspective. A lot of research has been done of what that's doing to our health. I'm more of an air guy than the. Than the body guy, but I know glyphosate can be very harmful for people, and I know that it definitely kicks up in the air in a significant way.

[Mike Feldstein]

It's crazy how they're, like, just allowed to take a plane and put chemicals everywhere. It's wild.

[Michael Bostick]

It is wild.

[Mike Feldstein]

And you don't really know what they are.

[Michael Bostick]

But just to close the loop on, like, people at home. So to know if you have a mold problem, trusting your nose is honestly still the best way. Like, having people come over and just ask them straight up if your house smells musty. Like, once I tested hundreds of homes. Talk about this with Ryan. I could go in a home, you know, if it's moldy in the first five minutes. All that test data is just to, like, help the homeowner understand and have some data that backs it up. But, you know, just by smelling it, just by feeling it, just being in that environment, if it's. If it's moldy. But pretty much like you, you should look for mold. If you can't find mold, physical black stuff growing, don't start gutting your home. And like, I showed you guys that lab study that we did before, Air purifiers are so effective for mold. So, like, if you think about water in your home, everybody knows if you have well water or city water, that water is not good to drink straight tap water. We have to filter our water. That's just the reality of modern life. But with our air, we don't pay attention to it at all. You don't have to rip out the pipes of your home if your water's contaminated. You just have to get a filter you can put on your tap, put on your shower. You could put it on the. The. You know, the whole home filter for your house. So the fact is, with our air, it's coming in through windows and doors and cracks. So, yes, it's moldy. But when you filter your air, you can remove 99% of that mold very effortlessly.

[Mike Feldstein]

What water filter do you like?

[Michael Bostick]

I actually use a Culligan whole home. So not like the Culligan, like, the jug that you get filled. Most filters, water filters are made at the same couple places.

[Mike Feldstein]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

They're a whole home filter. I have it. To remove chlorine. We have reverse osmosis in the kitchen. That's only for washing hands and for cooking. We don't drink that water. And then we get mountain valley spring water, glass jugs.

[Mike Feldstein]

Do you have, like, one for your shower in your bath or no?

[Michael Bostick]

We used to have a Jolie shower filter, but once you have a whole home that's dechlorinated on the showers.

[Mike Feldstein]

I'm so curious. You get access to some really smart people when it comes to creating such a healthy home environment. What are some pillars that you live by in your own home that don't have to do with air? Like, what are things you water for?

[Michael Bostick]

Sure.

[Mike Feldstein]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

Water is really, really big.

[Mike Feldstein]

What do you do for your pool?

[Michael Bostick]

So I have my whole home water feeding our pool. So we chew up filters and water softeners and stuff a little bit quicker. Not that much more, though. So the water that is automatically filling the pool comes through the whole home system. So that's number one.

[Lauren Everts]

We switched our from chlorine to salt.

[Michael Bostick]

That's good too. We have the pool guy coming weekly instead of bi weekly, because that way he can. Otherwise, if they come every second week, they have to put twice as much chlorine in it. If they come every week, they only have to put little bits of chlorine to keep it level.

[Mike Feldstein]

We do that.

[Lauren Everts]

We switch to salt. But, yeah, it comes weekly.

[Michael Bostick]

You know, Rachel uses stainless steel pans and some cast iron. We cook outside a lot too. Like, we cook outside very frequently. We use. I love my primally pure and branch basics. Big fans of both those brands. We don't bring our shoes inside the house. We don't have big carpets. We do have area rugs that we also clean monthly with a HEPA vacuum.

[Mike Feldstein]

So tell me about shoes in the house.

[Michael Bostick]

It's a no. It's a no. No go. And if I do wear shoes in the house, it's like, just like to run to the kitchen island and clean it. And then we wipe that up, right?

[Mike Feldstein]

I make him go on his knees.

[Michael Bostick]

Knees.

[Lauren Everts]

You've been in our house. You've seen it.

[Mike Feldstein]

No, but he. I have made him crawl across across the house on his knees.

[Lauren Everts]

But the only thing that I ask for is I need, like, a little bit of a mud room.

[Mike Feldstein]

No.

[Lauren Everts]

You know what I mean? Because, like, I need a place.

[Mike Feldstein]

Just take the shoes off.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm, like, out in the cold.

[Mike Feldstein]

I gotta do A public service announcement about this one. My friend Weston, he walks in our house and then removes his shoes and leaves the shoes in the house. Can we just make it like a general rule to take the shoes off before.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, but you have to have you as a host. Terrible. Such a terrible.

[Mike Feldstein]

I have slippers. Mona and Gary Vee gave me a link to slippers.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm not talking about the slippers. I'm saying you need a place where the guests can remove the shoes comfortably without breaking a chair.

[Mike Feldstein]

Outside.

[Lauren Everts]

No.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay, so maybe contractors, skinny booties at the. You know, I have those.

[Lauren Everts]

I have these poor guys. They come in, she's like, here, can you help me? And then they. They're in pink booties running around.

[Michael Bostick]

So I know someone who actually leaves shoes staged outside their house. Oh, that's because they found that if they. No matter what they do, no one gets it. So when they stage a bunch of shoes in front of their home, people got it. So it's like, take off your shoes and that. Signs near other shoes. Then people kick off the shoes. So they literally stage shoes. Like they. They keep their old shoes outside. Has the reminder that's a really. Tips in the tip jar.

[Mike Feldstein]

So that's really, really.

[Lauren Everts]

I just need a little bit of, like, a chair or a seat to get my shoes on and off.

[Mike Feldstein]

I can't help that you wear those boots. I feel like you're going to have to figure that out. We have a doorbell sign on our doorbell that says, please do not ring the doorbell. Babies will cry. Kids will scream. Dogs will bark. And admit it, it is the best hack. Because our doorbell never rings. Because think about it. Every time the doorbell rings, it's like the whole house goes crazy.

[Michael Bostick]

We don't have a doorbell.

[Mike Feldstein]

Oh, well, geez, you got me beat. You don't have a doorbell. I'm gonna rip my doorbell off.

[Lauren Everts]

Just leave the fucking doorbell alone. The worst is. And I'm sorry. Like, maybe this is a super sexist thing to say. For sure it's sexist. She gets all these contractors. She doesn't bid anything out. They all rip her off. She has no idea what she's fixing. She fixes one thing, another thing breaks. And I just think, like, let me do it. I don't know if that's the sexist thing to say or not, but it's like you were talking about bids and all this. Like, why ripping the doorbell? Just. Just leave some stump alone, okay? Admit it. When's the last time you had a job? Bid it out.

[Mike Feldstein]

Maybe this is Gonna sound sexist, but you better fucking take your shoes off before you go.

[Lauren Everts]

When did you. When have you ever gotten three bids?

[Mike Feldstein]

No, I. I feel like that's the guy's drum.

[Lauren Everts]

But if you're contracting the job.

[Mike Feldstein]

No.

[Michael Bostick]

And you just do the family gc.

[Mike Feldstein]

No, I'm the family esthetic.

[Lauren Everts]

No. So she's behaving as the family gc. It's a total disaster.

[Mike Feldstein]

You know what is esthetic? The air filter.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay.

[Mike Feldstein]

So here's, here's my experience with Jasper. I have one in almost every room in my house. Before I had a Jasper, I had your competitor because I didn't know about Jasper.

[Michael Bostick]

We're all allies here.

[Mike Feldstein]

And it's. I'm sure you're all allies because it's fixing the air, but I personally really like your air filter because it's state of the art and it's beautiful. When you decided to get into this space, what did you want to disrupt? Because the way you've done it is unique.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. So because my background was in floods, fires, mold, et cetera. In that business, we were using machines called air scrubbers. These are like subwoofer and photocopier. Had a baby, like 60, 80 pounds. Big, metal, hideous, loud. Super effective though, right? These were like garbage trucks, you know, before pickup trucks. Like, it was too industrial. So awesome for a construction site. It was the most effective thing ever. But if you compare that to what you'd find at like Best Buy, Home Depot, Walmart, Amazon, those little things don't really work. So my vision was, okay, I have this unique insight as someone who's been removing mold and detoxing homes and wildfire smoke and stuff like that. I'm like, I wanted to create a commercial grade air purifier that also was pretty and quiet. That's why we use steel. That's why we made it look good. Because, like, I probably would have actually not minded an industrial grade one in my own, but Rachel would say, hell no, you can't put that thing in the house. But if it's beautiful and it's quiet, all of a sudden you're proud to have four or five of them in your home. So it had to be as effective as an industrial grade machine, but really aesthetic too. So I wasn't approaching it. Also, we only do one thing. Most companies, they sell seven models. They make water filters, they make diffusers, they make. They make everything. We only make one thing. So we're like the food truck of air purifiers. You know, some of the Best tacos you could ever get. Best food in general, it's at a food truck. Only some rare restaurants can do 40 or 50 things. Well. So we're like, that ain't us. We could do one thing, world class and support it world class. As soon as we start to try to do too much, our quality will diminish.

[Mike Feldstein]

Forever. A Symbiotica fan. I take it all the time. In fact, I've been doing this new thing where I take sparkling water and then I'll take a packet of their elderberry. The elderberry is so good, it's filled with vitamin E. It's good for your immune system. I'll open it up, I'll squeeze it into the sparkling water and then sometimes if I can, I'll add an orange or a lime. And it is so delicious, you guys. It's unreal. What I like about Symbiotica's products is they're so easy to implement into your routine. So the elderberry I'll have in my sparkling water and then the vitamin C I can add to my morning water. And then the glutathione you can take if you're recovering from a workout or even a hangover. And then even they have this spray that I keep talking about. I cannot stop with the spray. It's like a magnesium lavender spray and I spray it on my kids feet, I'll spray it on my neck. It's so nice. It's not like fragrancy, if that makes sense. So it's non toxic and it's letting the magnesium go into the skin as opposed to like taking a pill. So they've really thought of everything. When it comes to finding clean, trustworthy and effective supplements. It can be really hard. And there's too many brands that hide behind fillers or mystery additives or fake natural flavors and they don't do that. It's truly as high quality as it gets. Go to symbiotika.com TSC you get 20% off plus free shipping. That's C Y M B I O T I k a.com skinny you get 20% off plus free shipping. Let's talk about my favorite female run nonprofit. I am so passionate about the charity I stand with my pack. It's dedicated to saving animals and preventing cruelty locally and globally. So I was introduced to this charity by a friend of mine, Lucy, probably about five years ago and she was really passionate about how much that I stand with. My pack helps dogs. So what they do is they rescue dogs from high kill shelters in Southern California and they help them find loving foster homes or forever homes. There is an urgent need right now for donations and fosters. So even if you can donate a dollar, every dollar counts. This goes to helping to cover medical care, food, transportation for rescue dogs. You can donate or sign up to foster at I stand with my pack.org that's IStandWithMyPack.org I also sometimes will just venmo them. It makes it really simple. More [e-mail].

[Lauren Everts]

What I love about your company and what you do is you're like constantly innovating. Even if you're updating the filter or the tech on it, it's just like you could just tell you really care about the space.

[Michael Bostick]

Speaking of innovating, I got something exciting to tell you guys. I might have teased it another time, but as of two days ago, it will be public by the time this podcast drops soon. So we bought a school.

[Mike Feldstein]

That is so cool.

[Michael Bostick]

We bought a school right by our house. I'm not going to say exactly where that is, but this lady was going to sell the land and it was going to be bought and torn down and turned into like a strip mall or a home. It's been there for a long time. We can ride our kids there on a bicycle with a little trailer or take them on a golf cart. And it's this amazing. It's a Montessori. But there was a study in Finland that happened a few months ago that they published this study and it showed that as soon as they put small air purifiers in kids class, in daycares, absenteeism dropped by 30%. Runny noses went down, sick kids went down. What is the true cost of a sick child? They get the runny nose, the boogers, they come home, they make the parents sick, you make the colleagues sick. It's actually massive. How many? One sick kid could take out half the class.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

And then eight families.

[Mike Feldstein]

We know.

[Lauren Everts]

Trust us, we know.

[Michael Bostick]

So when I first donated a Jasper to Aria's first school, all of a sudden the runny noses and the boogies stopped coming home. It was like instant. So I was amazed to see this study by Finland. And we're like, you know what? When Aria, our oldest daughter, the girl in my socks, was getting sick a lot, the doctors were generally like, this is normal. Little kids are supposed to be chronically sick. It's just part of their immune system developing. I'm like, maybe like six times a year. But I don't think they should be sick. Like Chronically ill. This doesn't seem right.

[Mike Feldstein]

The worst is when they get sick and then you all get through it and then they come home with another one the day after the sickness.

[Michael Bostick]

How do you avoid it? What do you do? Like not hug and kiss and cuddle your kids?

[Mike Feldstein]

No, I like make out with my kid.

[Lauren Everts]

You're screwed, you're done.

[Michael Bostick]

You know so no matter how sick your kid is, you're, you're in for it too. It's a really good test of your own immunity. So then that study came out that really reinforced things and I'm like and I could see the products that the school is using, they're not. They're using bright LED lights, they're using toxic cleaning products, they're using air fresheners.

[Mike Feldstein]

So I see it all.

[Michael Bostick]

The mission is for the school is to make the healthiest school in America. So here's how we're going to do it. Day one, Jaspers in every classroom. Two per class. Whole entire school is going to have filtered water. It's going to be you know, all branch basics, non toxic products like that, great lighting on top of that. It's going to be very entrepreneurial, very entrepreneurial. So the great thing about these Montessori schools, my, by the way my new insta bio is going to be like founder at Jasper, Chief wellness officer at Kindling Academy.

[Mike Feldstein]

Quick question is are they going to be outside a lot or on screens a lot.

[Michael Bostick]

So great question. So with the way we're doing it is the school there'll be huge screened in porches so there's the inside of course. Then the next layer is massive screened in porches so they can be in like a fresh air environment but still, but then huge playgrounds with tree weaves, tree forts will call it fun things like the owls.

[Mike Feldstein]

I built this school in my head but you, you execute.

[Michael Bostick]

And then there's a little thing called the spark market.

[Mike Feldstein]

Amazing.

[Michael Bostick]

The kids will actually be able to run a little market that's community facing and open to the city. So we found that Montessori amazing teaches kids to read, to learn, all that. But the, the downfall there was a little bit too independent isolated play. Okay so they don't do any project based, no team, no leadership. So that was, there was a lot of strong parts but as they got older there was no collaboration. Then you have the Waldorf kids. They're like everything you know they're learning how to like build fires and stuff but they're like 10 and they can't read. Some people think that's okay. All I know is my daughter's five and she loves reading. And now it's changing the whole way that she can interface with the world. And it took like half an hour a day. Wasn't a big deal. Wasn't like she was like, dying in a classroom.

[Mike Feldstein]

Hold on, hold on. Your daughter can read a book, like, pretty well.

[Michael Bostick]

Like pretty well. So, yeah, Rachel was a labor and delivery nurse. So, like. But she was going to be a teacher, but there was no jobs at the time. So, like, you know, it went from babies and now kids. And we, we, we went to all the different schools in Austin. We've tried them all. We've, we've studied them all. Like, there's other schools that are like, very iPad forward. Learn, learn, learn, learn, learn. And I'm like, you can't tell me that being on an iPad eight hours a day is good for a kid when they're eight years old. Should we do some AI and then. Sure. And like, big fan of project based learning. So what that means is the kids basically, like, for example, we'll have a, we're gonna have a little podcast studio at the school.

[Mike Feldstein]

When does the school open?

[Michael Bostick]

It officially will open like, August 15th of this year. We get the keys in May. Then we're. It's called Kindling Academy.

[Mike Feldstein]

How many students per class?

[Michael Bostick]

The max capacity. So right now it's only 18 months to six, but Ari is five. So we're going to be extending the seven to nine program really quickly and it's going to grow. There's a few adjacent lots for sale, so it'll go all the way up. We're going to make it all the way up to high school.

[Mike Feldstein]

And how do you pick the curriculum and the teachers?

[Michael Bostick]

So the school's been around for a very long time. It has. So they're not teachers, they're guides. They're like mentors. And then we have a small network of people who live here in the community who are entrepreneurial. So, you know my friend uj, for example, he started a journal company called the Five Minute Journal a long time ago. So he doesn't want to like.

[Mike Feldstein]

The what?

[Michael Bostick]

Five Minute Journal. I'm kidding.

[Mike Feldstein]

He's everywhere.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay?

[Lauren Everts]

So everyone knows what it is.

[Michael Bostick]

He's a great, you know, writer, thinker, gratitude, all that. He's like, I don't want to, like, work at a school, but coming in once or twice a month and teaching gratitude with the kids, he's like, I would love to do that. So we're crowdsourcing the parents and getting different community mentors.

[Mike Feldstein]

That is so cool.

[Michael Bostick]

So you like to be a part of this?

[Mike Feldstein]

Our kids went there. We could like go teach a class.

[Michael Bostick]

On like entrepreneurship, leadership, entrepreneur, even if your kids don't go there. But. So we're really infusing the community. But the goal is.

[Mike Feldstein]

Are you the principal?

[Michael Bostick]

Well, Rachel all the way, man. This is all.

[Mike Feldstein]

Your wife's the principal?

[Michael Bostick]

Big time. Big time. I'm just the chief wellness officer. So my job is to make it the healthiest school in the world.

[Mike Feldstein]

Cool.

[Michael Bostick]

So I have access to the good products, the air, the lighting. And she's gonna. She's actually the one bringing all the entrepreneurial elements into place. So it's like, let's say the kids want to like, upgrade the park. It's like, cool. What materials will we need? How much will that cost? So it's like there's always a real world component to everything that they do. Once they're like 7, 8, 9, it's not just like studying in a room. So she's. It's kind of like we flipped. I'm focusing on all the wellness stuff and she's focusing on the like the entrepreneur. Since we were 19. I'm 34 now. We've been building curriculums as a hobby this whole time, like developing education and uncommon common sense. And now it's like all coming to life. So.

[Mike Feldstein]

Yeah, man, that is cool. Yeah. Because it's funny. Every time I tour schools, I'm like, there's Lysol and there's Windex and there's a window closed and this artificial light and there's no outside play and it's a lot of screen. I'm just being honest. Like, it's, it's so I will like design a school in my head. I'm like, I want more.

[Michael Bostick]

Share your notes with Rachel.

[Mike Feldstein]

Oh, my God. I could. I. I would have a field day.

[Lauren Everts]

I, I just, like, a lot of these kids are. I mean, like, we're under studio legend. A lot of these kids are like under these studio tail lights all day.

[Mike Feldstein]

Can I also, like, give a little bit of a.2 cents, please? I am on this, this like, tour about. I don't understand why kids have to go to school at 7:30 in the morning. Like, I, I personally think, like, no, but I think, I think 9 is a good time. And I'll tell you why. I don't want to rip my kid out of bed, force feed them, rip their clothes off and have to like it. They're my kids. At least My kids sleep until probably 7, 7:15, sometimes 7:30. I prefer them to wake up a little bit more naturally. I don't get this 7:30 situation. You have to wake up at 6:15 to get them to school.

[Michael Bostick]

So this school is not for everyone. This school is specifically designed for free thinking entrepreneurs. So what that means is you can drop off your kid anytime between 8 and 9. We want late drop offs and the first hour they're just going to be playing outside. It's just going to be park time basically.

[Mike Feldstein]

So they're going to get their Circadian rhythm going.

[Michael Bostick]

100. So 9 o'clock is the drop off time pretty much. How did I design Jasper? I just designed the air purifier. A former mold fire flood guy would want for himself. The school. We're just designing the school of our dreams for our kids and there's a lot of people, same thing. So let's say you want to travel. We really encourage traveling. So if the student, if the family's going on a trip for two or three weeks it's like cool. Well the guides are going to help you create a little passport book to, you know, take some photos and document your trip and then present on it when you get back.

[Mike Feldstein]

That is so cool.

[Michael Bostick]

And really encourage the family to travel.

[Mike Feldstein]

I would have thrived in that school.

[Michael Bostick]

Me too.

[Mike Feldstein]

I loved like making scrapbooks and magazines. I would have loved, loved, loved that.

[Lauren Everts]

Well listen, I mean people get super touchy about this subject but it's not like this country's like getting stellar marks in education right now.

[Mike Feldstein]

Right.

[Lauren Everts]

Like it's far from it. Arguably like some of the worst marks in the world. Right?

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Kids more illiterate than ever. Nobody knows how to do math anymore. Like, you know, I was, I was talking to a friend of ours who has older kids and he's like, yeah, they can like figure anything out because of technology but like they don't know how to do math and they don't know how to read.

[Michael Bostick]

Friends.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, so there's like, there's, there's issues. And so you know, I think that a lot of parents that came up through the traditional schooling cycle like we did, as I look back I'm like hindsight, a lot of the stuff that I went through as a student, we came through the public school system, some of it great, some of it really bad. And we're looking at it now and saying okay, like the system needs a little bit of a revisit. Some people may not agree with that, but I think a lot of parents are starting to wake up to that. And I was talking to my dad, who's 80 now, 80 plus. And I was saying, you know, dad, my curriculum and his curriculum were closer than the curriculum now that our children have. And I think like a lot of the older generation is not aware of that. You know, it's just much different now. And I think that, you know, unfortunately our kids are going to bear the cost of.

[Michael Bostick]

Not these kids.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

So it's also, it's almost a two acre property. So we have a sauna and a cold plunge on the secondary lot, like a big epic sauna. So when parents come for drop off or pickup, if they want to come a little earlier, stay a little late, they can hit the sauna, hit the cold plunge. And that's the way to foster the community between parents. So this is just like this place we really want to be a part of. So yeah, it's. And I've never talked about it before. Pickup is three.

[Mike Feldstein]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

If you want to come a little earlier some days after 2, that last hour will be a little more like 2 to 3, 30, kind of flexibly like play. But there's no like 5, 6 pickup. That's too late for the kids.

[Mike Feldstein]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

And then we found a really great chef. So the chef will cook them healthy lunches. So nobody has to cook, pack their kids lunch for school. Then we want to infuse that so the kids can also like learn a little bit about cooking and cooking outside. So it's like, don't just like make a fire outside. It's like, let's learn to make a fire and let's learn to cook on that fire. And here's the ingredients, here's where they're sourced. So really infusing everything can be, you know, explored deeply. So, you know, we just don't like packing lunches every day. It just becomes this whole thing. And eventually we want to do something where there could be like dinner served at the school at 4:00. So families who want to come have a healthy dinner and not have to go home and deal with cooking and dinner and then just enjoy the evening with your kids. Seems like you pick your kids up, it's like, yeah. So you rip them out of bed in the morning, like force them to school, like makes you feel annoyed and shitty and rushed and they're like, okay, that was quick, I just woke up. They're there for like eight, nine hours, then you rip them home. You have like an hour, then it's dinner and then it's bedtime it's like, where did the day go?

[Mike Feldstein]

I also think I was just talking to my best friend, and she's like, because it's dark when you wake up right now. She's like, my daughter thinks I'm doing, like, an alarm when I wake her up. It's so jarring. She's like, mom, what's wrong?

[Lauren Everts]

Well, daylight saving time is a whole nother issue.

[Mike Feldstein]

Yeah, daylight savings. I'm over that. But I don't. I'm not into this. Like, can we go? I. I just want to.

[Michael Bostick]

They keep saying it's gonna end, and it doesn't.

[Mike Feldstein]

I'm. Can we do a petition to end this? This is so stupid. It's messing up with our hormones. And the kids don't like waking up in the dark. Who likes waking up?

[Lauren Everts]

Nobody likes it.

[Michael Bostick]

It's why I don't live in Canada anymore. Like, it's not a good way to be.

[Mike Feldstein]

I don't want to wake up in the dark. So. Michael, can you fix this?

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, let me just fix the daylight savings.

[Mike Feldstein]

Andrew Huberman hates it too. It's not like I'm just pulling.

[Lauren Everts]

Huberman's got a big enough voice where he can start rattling some cages and maybe getting people to think about it.

[Mike Feldstein]

Do we have a code for our audience?

[Michael Bostick]

I just want to know. We do. I'll never come on the podcast and not leave your guests with a little something you could do.

[Mike Feldstein]

The best codes always.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay, you do. I do.

[Mike Feldstein]

No, you always.

[Michael Bostick]

I don't mess around.

[Mike Feldstein]

No, you don't mess around.

[Lauren Everts]

So.

[Michael Bostick]

But by the way, that. That school, if anybody wants to read about it or learn about it, join the wait list. But even if you don't live in Austin, we're using this. We're open sourcing everything that we're doing. So we're going to share the model, share the everything. We're going to be also documenting absenteeism, runny noses, and. Because schools already document this stuff, so we're going to publish it all. So we want to benchmark the average school, how sick kids are getting versus this school, and we want to really, like, every. Every interior design. Everything we do is going to be open sourced. Cool. Someone could literally steal our take. Our construction files, our water, our everything, our curriculum. It's all open sourced. So Kindling Academy is the website. So if you live in Austin and you want to check it out, go for it. It's a not for profit, Rachel.

[Lauren Everts]

Saying you have to get accreditation or because the school's been around for so.

[Michael Bostick]

Long, we're doing all that.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

And then anyone who's not local, we're going to be teaching and talking and this will all be very public. So we want to use this to teach people a better way to do school and instead of just complaining about it, actually, like, put our foot down. That's the kind of thing. Because Jasper has one product. We get to be really creative and have fun and be impactful in things that aren't just making new products.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I think people are really open to these kind of ideas. I mean, some maybe not, but I think a lot of parents are starting to open their eyes to this because again, like, the education system is just, it's, it's failing a lot of people in a lot of ways. I don't want to put the blanket statement and shit on everybody. There's some great teachers out there and I just want to general explain. I'm just saying in general, the numbers are not going the way they should be going.

[Mike Feldstein]

The education system is just, in my opinion, like the health care system.

[Michael Bostick]

It is.

[Mike Feldstein]

You have to do your own research, you have to be your own advocate, you have to be your own guru. You have to, you have to go out accountability for yourself in health and in education, or else you just get put into a system.

[Michael Bostick]

Agreed. And Dot Academy is weird, but that's what it is. It's literally kindling Dot Academy. No Dot com.

[Mike Feldstein]

I was going to ask you. Okay. Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

So, yeah, code. Of course, I will never come on the pod and not leave the guests with something special. So I think this is going to come out soon, May 2nd. So code skinny. And we're going to do it. The code will be $400 off this.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, wow.

[Michael Bostick]

It'll be $400 off this time. And not only that, not only is it $400 off, but it stacks with our discounts. So, you know, once upon a time, people were buying one air purifier for the bedroom. Then they realized, what about my kids? What about the living room? What about the cooking? And they have this shift, you know, $1,000 air purifier. Expensive, but like 25, 2600 for a whole home air filtration system with a lifetime warranty. Not that expensive. So if you want to have just clean air in a bedroom, one will be great. But what we did is so code skinny is $400 off. And by the way, this, this is going to be valid until the end of May. So May is clean air month for Skinny listeners. Now I will say, last time I came on the podcast, thousands of people bought and it sold us out very, very quickly.

[Mike Feldstein]

Could you do a pre order if it sells out?

[Michael Bostick]

If it's pre ordered it'll just be back orders people just be waiting a couple weeks. We'll still under the code. They can the whole month of May 400 off and it will combine with our our discount code. So as you add two, three or four in the cart it will automatically give people bigger deals. And like I said before we recorded literally like I've had girls come up to me on the street or at events and say like Mike, I'm so happy I've heard you on a bunch of podcasts. Skinny Confidential was the first time I've ever heard you guys before. It was the first. You know I've been thinking about my fragrances and my soaps and my cooking. I didn't realize that that was just Air has a topic. So I'm really grateful for last time how much we just like elevated air awareness and I hope we got to do that again. And anyone just so anyone who does decide to buy and this is Air Purifier investing month for you. If it's not a no brainer, if you're not sleeping better, if you're not feeling better, we did an aura study this year. The average 150 people use Jaspers for a month. The average person slept 25 minutes more per night, 18% more deep sleep, fell asleep five minutes faster. So if you're not feeling way better, we'll give you all your money back and then it's a lifetime warranty. So sometimes it's very expensive being cheap. So most air purifiers have a one year warranty. We have a lifetime warranty. If it breaks, we send you a new one. You take the new one out of the box, you put the old one in the box. We even give you a prepaid UPS shipping label and we send UPS to your front door at 9am because who wants to spend half a day getting boxes going to FedEx paying hundreds of dollars for shipping? So yeah, the date this pod comes out, code skinny$400 off through the month of May and it will combine with our quantity discounts as well.

[Mike Feldstein]

Amazing. Go to Jasper J A s p r.co/skinny to grab yours today. Mike, thanks for coming on the podcast. You're always a wealth of information and knowledge.