Jeffree Star: Unfiltered, Uncensored, Speaking His Truth, & Redefining Success on His Own Terms

Summary

The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show

Episode: Jeffree Star: Unfiltered, Uncensored, Speaking His Truth, & Redefining Success on His Own Terms

Hosts: Lauryn Bosstick & Michael Bosstick
Guest: Jeffree Star
Date: November 17, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode features an unfiltered and vibrant conversation with Jeffree Star, beauty mogul, rancher, and cultural lightning rod. Lauryn and Michael dive into Jeffree's journey from MySpace fame to building a cosmetics empire, his pivot to yak rancher in Wyoming, navigating internet culture and cancel culture, redefining gender and identity, and his personal philosophy on business, confidence, and living authentically. The discussion ranges from entrepreneurship and internet trolling to sex, spirituality, and the politics of modern culture, all delivered in true Jeffree Star candor.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Jeffree Star’s Business Evolution & Entrepreneurial Mindset

• Early Hustle & Business Instincts

  • Jeffree discusses his drive from a young age, growing up with adversity and channeling that into an entrepreneurial mindset.

    “I just had it. I feel like it was like instilled in me to just be a hustler. I come from a very rough background—no money. My mom was a single mom, we grew up poor. I just had to learn to hustle.” (07:21)

  • Started as a makeup artist for celebrities, then pivoted through MySpace fame to music, and ultimately founded Jeffree Star Cosmetics with three liquid lipsticks.
  • Took a major risk, invested his last dollars, and paid back his investor the day of his first launch.

    “The first one was just taking a risk on myself... I started this dream with three liquid lipsticks and a hope that it might work. And it sold out in five minutes.” (19:12, 20:42)

• Scaling the Beauty Brand

  • Jeffree gives a peek behind the scenes—his company went from his apartment to a cosmetics powerhouse with in-house fulfillment (Killer Merch).
  • Emphasizes investing the first profits back into the brand, expanding slowly and methodically:

    "My advice to anyone is invest in yourself. The first million, the first $2 million, we put right back into the business... A lot of people get newly rich, spend it all, don't invest correctly." (23:48)

• Authenticity as Strategy

  • “I’ve never created something for the customer. I create things for me and the customer." (24:30)
  • Discusses being hands on with every detail, manufacturing globally to ensure quality (“These are made in Czech Republic. I love traveling the world and making things in other places.” 04:34)

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2. Social Media, Internet Culture, and Cancel Culture

• Rise through Platforms

  • Started with early YouTube and MySpace. Built mystique by never showing himself without makeup until 2014—then shocked viewers with vulnerability.

    “From MySpace until about 2014, I never let anyone see me without makeup... That was my mystique." (08:54)

• Navigating Cancel Culture

  • Strong opinions on cancel culture’s evolution; believes in growth, accountability, but also criticizes the lack of nuance:

    “Cancel culture has evolved and changed... I think people are allowed to grow and change. If you still think someone's a piece of sh*t, hold them accountable. But for a while, no one wanted anyone to grow. I never took that as an answer.” (59:50 – 61:15)

• On Internet Trolls & Haters

  • Jeffree shares how trolling has changed, people seek attention, and his methods for handling it:

    “On TikTok, if someone says something crazy, I invite them live, and they're like, ‘I just wanted your attention.’ That did not exist in the older social media days.” (16:29)

  • Claims he’s never been fazed by hate:

    “It feels like nothing... I like to clap back and be funny when I'm in the mood.” (17:33)

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3. Personal Life—Wyoming, Yaks, and Redefining Success

• The Move to Wyoming

  • Burnt out by LA, materialism, and the pandemic, Jeffree fulfills his dream of rural life.
  • Embraced by locals after initial skepticism, invests in the community, and finds peace in nature:

    “I fell in love with the ranch... There’s instant peace, stress gone, vanished. I land here, I want to throw up. Not just from the pollution.” (42:43)

• Building a Ranching Business

  • Accidentally becomes one of the largest yak ranchers in America; discusses the ethical side of meat production and the wild world of “yak drama.”

    “There's not that many... maybe like 50, maybe less than a hundred serious yak breeders. I bought from all of them.” (49:01)

  • On responsible and ethical meat:

    “A lot of people think meat comes from the grocery store—it’s not real food... My animals are roaming free, grass-fed... and I realized that fast food wasn’t real.” (47:11 – 48:26)

  • Owns the Jeffree Star Store in Casper: makeup and meat under one roof.

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4. Gender, Identity, and Social Commentary

• On Individuality and Gender Discourse

  • Jeffree rails against collective shaming and affirms the need for tolerance:

    “I miss the days when we could sit down... have healthy conversations, and be friends. Now it’s like, ‘Oh you don’t like what I like? I'm blocking you. I hate you.’” (11:36 – 12:14)

  • On the confusion in contemporary gender/identity conversation:

    "Your identity issues and who you think you are is so separate [from sexuality]. I don't agree that they should be together.” (84:49)

  • Stands by protecting women and children, questions messaging to kids, and applauds parents who let children simply ‘be’ themselves.

• On Fluidity & Authentic Attraction

  • States he doesn't identify as gay and is open to relationships with women or men:

    “That's another misconception: I am not gay. I am just open and very me." (84:19)

  • Engages in frank, humorous dialogue about sex, attraction, and the complexity of modern relationships.

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5. Reflections on Money, Confidence, Giving Back & Legacy

• Materialism vs. Fulfillment

  • Admits to buying everything he never had as a form of self-validation until he realized it was hollow:

    "No matter how many designer clothes and diamonds and cars you buy, it's all just fucking materialistic shit." (27:01)

  • Finds real happiness in travel, experiences, and rural living.

• On Confidence and Handling Criticism

  • Encourages self-acceptance:

    “I wish people would be less harsh on themselves. I wish they would not care what a stranger thought ...” (96:19)

• Giving Back

  • Invests in his Wyoming community, donates millions, but keeps it quiet:

    “I don’t need the validation of, like, ‘Look, guys, I’m a good person.’ I know I’m a good person.” (71:08)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You want to stay married, you gotta be moisturized.” — Jeffree Star (00:54)
• “Did you Google Colorado campfire?… It is considered rude if the cracker is not consumed afterwards.” (02:25)
• “My advice to anyone that wants to be an entrepreneur is invest in yourself.” (23:48)
• “I think cancel culture is kind of over… people are allowed to grow and change.” (60:06)
• “If I showed up empty handed, I hope you would slap me.” (00:31)
• “I'm the face of just: do you. You're allowed to rebuild. You're allowed to evolve as a human.” (61:20)
• “Lightning in a bottle.” (multiple times re: business growth)
• “I landed in Wyoming and my instant stress was gone. I land here [LA]; I want to throw up—not just from the pollution.” (42:43)
• “I have never created something for the customer. I create things for me and the customer.” (24:30)
• “They want you depressed indoors. Dark. Blackout. No. I’m sungazing at the crack of dawn.” (91:52)
• “If a random dude on Instagram wants to go get tested or I’ll pay for it.” (83:27)
• “I'm a dick connoisseur.” (96:01)

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Important Timestamps

• Opening banter/gifts, magic moisturizer, orgy palette — (00:24–03:53)
• Entrepreneurial origins, MySpace/YouTube roots — (05:39–10:43)
• Business growth, quick scaling, investment philosophy — (19:02–24:52)
• Cancel culture, public persona, authenticity — (59:28–62:10)
• Wyoming move, rural life, community reception — (29:29–41:34)
• Yak business: ethical meat, scaling, industry drama — (45:17–52:10)
• Gender/identity and internet debate — (63:36–88:23)
• TikTok Live and new media strategies — (88:47–89:55)
• Personal life: relationships, sex, monogamy — (93:26–94:56)
• Philosophy on confidence, kindness, legacy — (96:19–96:57)

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Tone and Highlights

• Raw, irreverent, and frequently hilarious. Jeffree holds nothing back, freely using explicit language, sharing intimate anecdotes, and providing sharp social commentary—often with a sardonic edge but underlying warmth.
• Showcases remarkable business acumen, self-awareness, and a singular focus on authenticity.
• Demystifies both the glitzy world of beauty entrepreneurship and the grounded reality of rural self-reinvention.
• Pushes listeners to invest in themselves, embrace growth, and “not care what a stranger thought about them.”

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Quick Takeaways

• Jeffree Star is the ultimate self-invented entrepreneur—blending business, spectacle, and personal truth.
• Success required risk, continual reinvestment, and relentless authenticity (“never white label!”).
• Jeffree’s migration from LA to Wyoming represents not just a lifestyle shift but a critique of materialism, and a commitment to sustainable, real living—both for himself and the planet.
• Emphasizes tolerance, respectful debate, and living by your own authentic standards, challenging societal and internet extremes.
• Encourages entrepreneurs, creators, and anyone feeling out of place to “be themselves,” invest in their vision, and stay resilient in the face of online hate and shifting trends.

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Where to Find More

• Shop Jeffree Star Cosmetics & Yak Meat: jeffreestarcosmetics.com
• Connect on TikTok and social: @JeffreeStar

Special Offer: Use code SKINNY for 20% off on Jeffree Star Cosmetics.

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This episode is a wild, insightful ride—equal parts masterclass in business, irreverent comedy, and raw, unfiltered life advice.

Transcript

[Jeffree Star]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production.

[Michael Bostic]

She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Jeffree Star]

Fantastic.

[Michael Bostic]

And he's a serial entrepreneur, A very smart cookie. And now, Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.

[Lauren Everts]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Michael Bostic]

Welcome to the Skinny Confidential. Him and her.

[Lauren Everts]

You're raising yaks.

[Jeffree Star]

We're raising yaks. We're raising camels. Now, I added camels two years ago. They're the coolest creatures. But I'm still the queen of beauty. And of course, I had to bring you a pink box. If I showed up empty handed, I hope you would slap me. There's a lot here.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, let's go through it.

[Jeffree Star]

Let's see what we got, y'.

[Michael Bostic]

All.

[Jeffree Star]

And there's even skin care for men. Okay. We love a nice anti aging moment. Men should be hydrated. No one wants to on dry skin. No one wants to sit on a face that's dry. Let me tell you that.

[Michael Bostic]

I don't want to have a dry face.

[Jeffree Star]

You want to stay married, you got to be moisturized.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Michael Bostic]

She's sliding all over this thing.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah. So this is my famous Magic Star hydrating moisturizer. Really great for men. Anybody can use this. It's a nice everyday.

[Lauren Everts]

The packaging too is major.

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, give me that scissors again. Because this, when you see the inside, okay. It makes the box look like, you know, boring.

[Lauren Everts]

And I was going through your orgy palette. Isn't it fun, Michael? He has an orgy palette.

[Jeffree Star]

It's an orgy of neutrals. So neutrals are browns, tans, and dark browns. So anybody, any complexion could wear it. Okay. Ready for this? When I created my first ever moisturizer, I was like, this has to be baller. Okay. Hi. Wow. Wow. Isn't she stunning?

[Lauren Everts]

Wait, that is so my aesthetic.

[Jeffree Star]

Isn't it pretty?

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, my goodness.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

That is so cute.

[Jeffree Star]

Really, really great. Really great active ingredients too. Like, it actually works. I would never create something that was just for show.

[Lauren Everts]

You know, we know that with how you review brands, we know it's to be amazing.

[Jeffree Star]

Cut throat. Yep, cut throat.

[Lauren Everts]

So he has this orgy palette. And it's like I was reading the names. Can you give my husband some of the names?

[Jeffree Star]

I have two. So there's orgy one and now there's orgy two.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay.

[Jeffree Star]

Some of the names are top and bottom.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay.

[Jeffree Star]

Why did you look to him?

[Michael Bostic]

I want to see his reaction.

[Jeffree Star]

Do you know what a Colorado campfire is?

[Michael Bostic]

I do not.

[Jeffree Star]

But.

[Lauren Everts]

What is it?

[Michael Bostic]

Wait, tell me now.

[Jeffree Star]

Can you look up an urban dictionary because you're gonna say it out loud. Not me. No. That's so vanilla. Oh, you're so boring. You're so boring. You do look like you like rusty anchors, though. Okay, so urban dictionary, sir. Act of suffering. A marshmallow stuffing. Not suffering. Let's. Let's. Let's read the words correctly. No one's suffering here. Of a girl's. And then for proceeding to the marshmallow deeply inside her, like one was floating an old Civil war musket period. And keep going. You're not done. Then upon finishing inside the castle, the female is asked to evacuate the contents upon two eagerly waiting graham crackers. It is considered rude if the cracker is not consumed afterwards.

[Lauren Everts]

Is this really true? Are people really doing this Colorado Campfire?

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah, they are. But in my palette, it's a beautiful, warm tone brown. It's stunning. It's perfect for the crease, honestly. And your makeup is very gorgeous. I think you would love the orgy palettes. Yeah. So this is very skincare centric. We got some really great. My eyebrow pencils just launched. They're phenomenal. The brow designer. I shaved off my eyebrows in 10th grade, and I never grew them back until three years ago. So these are all. This is just naturally grown back just so I could perfect a formula, because I felt like if I was going to create a pencil and I don't have eyebrows, that's fake. So I grew them back for the first time in my entire life, and I've kept them for a while, and we've developed some really cool brow products.

[Lauren Everts]

Why did you shave your eyebrows off?

[Jeffree Star]

I wanted more room.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Jeffree Star]

Like, when I was doing my eyeshadow, I felt like I was being restricted, so I shaved them off. And I never went. Never turned, turned back.

[Lauren Everts]

So you complain about not having enough room. Maybe you should shave your eyebrows off.

[Michael Bostic]

I think I. I don't think I pull that off. Okay, well, I was with Terry de Bro yesterday, and he said, just leave it. He said I would not look good.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay. All right.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah. Shaving could be scary. And then lip liners. I brought my top selling lip liners for you. They're really, really great packaging. On point, okay. Always. Hi. Look how pretty she is.

[Lauren Everts]

Packaging.

[Jeffree Star]

Isn't it gorgeous? This is celebrity skin.

[Lauren Everts]

You can tell you're really hands on with, like, no white label situation ever.

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, my gosh. No. These are made in Czech Republic. I love traveling the world and making things in other places. These are made in Korea. And then. Hello. The vans warped Tour. Speaking of, we did a collaboration with them this summer. So this is sunscreen. Invisible, scentless and blurring the pores. Really great for guys. Anybody that just needs a little moment. But yeah, really great for under the makeup.

[Lauren Everts]

Thank you for all these presents and new pink box. That is so nice of you.

[Jeffree Star]

Lip scrubs.

[Lauren Everts]

You've got your pink shoes on.

[Jeffree Star]

All of it.

[Lauren Everts]

It's just perfect. You guys really should go watch this episode on YouTube. It's a very visual one.

[Jeffree Star]

I think I'm very visually stimulating.

[Michael Bostic]

I feel like I could do a one piece on this show like this. Like, what if I upgraded my wardrobe.

[Lauren Everts]

To a. Oh, no, this isn't on camera. Nothing on the table.

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, I'm screaming.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, okay. So I wanted you to come on this show because I want people to understand how entrepreneurial you are and how in the business you are. Because sometimes I don't know if you could see it through Tik Tok, it's hard.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah, I'm very business obsessed. And Tik Tok and the way people view content is very quick nowadays.

[Lauren Everts]

Right.

[Jeffree Star]

It's very interesting how we've changed as a culture.

[Lauren Everts]

And you started YouTube when you were 10, what, 10th grade.

[Jeffree Star]

I went on the Internet for the very first time. I would say YouTube, like 12 or, well, like 2009. So here's the thing. I started a YouTube channel. I didn't utilize it like I did later. When Beauty started, I was like, filming funny vlogs. We had like, you know, the camcorders and you had to do the SD card and upload, and it was just such a different time. So I would upload funny little skits and random little things and music videos when I was doing music. But I didn't take it serious until Beauty exploded on YouTube and I started my brand. So Jeffree Star Cosmetics. I started in 2014 on Black Friday. I said, let's go big. And then I. Then the beauty gurus and those type of people started forming, and there was Candy Johnson and Michelle Phan. And I was like, oh, this is a whole new world. I need to dominate it. And MySpace was, you know, obviously dwindling, and things were just so different. So we hopped over on YouTube for 10 years, got billions of views, and then I quit.

[Lauren Everts]

Where was the entrepreneurial sort of like, bug turned on? How old?

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, really, really young. Like, I always was helping people make money better or help with their business, whether there were, because I moved to LA at 17 and a half. Isn't that wild? And I started doing makeup on celebrities. At 19, I was working at the Mac Store. I worked for Kelly Osbourne, Paris Hilton, all those people. So.

[Lauren Everts]

So you knew that there was like a business boss and you, when you say you helped people make money, what do you mean by that?

[Michael Bostic]

Like, how did you even know at that age?

[Jeffree Star]

I just had it. I feel like it was like instilled in me to just like, be a hustler. And I come from a very rough background and like, no money. My mom was a single mom. You know, we grew up very poor. She was an alcoholic. So I never had any other opportunities as a lot of other people, you know, in Huntington beach area. Not that everyone was wealthy, but, you know, a lot of people had it figured out than me, so I just had to learn to hustle. So when I moved and I started hanging around people and people that were doing things, it was really inspiring and I would love to, you know, someone would tell me their idea and I would just give them better advice and so.

[Lauren Everts]

So you were like, kind of like thinking from a business perspective at a young age, but you almost didn't know you had it until you were around the people that were business minded.

[Jeffree Star]

Exactly. So that's a great way of putting it.

[Lauren Everts]

When you, when you start on YouTube, did you look at it as a business or did you look at it that you wanted to put your. Yourself out there or both?

[Jeffree Star]

I, I saw it as a business and I saw what the other girls were doing and I was like, oh, I could do this better, honestly. And I don't mean that in a catty way. I was just like, I, I have, I think my story is more interesting. I think there's more to. To do, you know, and a lot of them were staying in their one lanes, like transformations, and that's fine. You know, a lot of those videos were massive back in the day before it got really saturated, you know.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

So what, what was the story you were telling about yourself in the early days to get to even stand out in the beginning when you do? Like, why did you think that you could tell a better story than the girls at the time?

[Jeffree Star]

I just feel like I was more interesting.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, you're definitely interesting. That's.

[Jeffree Star]

That's looks and my wit.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

But I just wonder, like, when you, when you first came out, started sharing your life, like, what was the hook that you felt got people to connect with you?

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, that's a great. That's a great question. So I, back in the day, it's so weird to see now. I never showed myself without makeup. So I had. And I think a lot of people that are newer viewers or watchers or customers, they don't know that about me. So from MySpace until about 2014, I never let anyone see me without makeup. No one ever, not one picture, Never. And if I went out, I'd have these massive sunglasses, hoodies. I never let anyone see me bare faced. It was like my mystique. And I also was very like bitch face, like Posh Spice. I never smiled in any picture. So even if I was happy, it was all, you know, it was all for show. So anytime there's cameras around, that was the face. Every picture.

[Michael Bostic]

So you had you. So you're entertaining.

[Jeffree Star]

You're like that. I even gave you the face. So When I joined YouTube, my whole.

[Michael Bostic]

Thing was, by the way, people have to watch this episode and not just listen.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah, we're listening to this in the car.

[Michael Bostic]

This is a visual episode.

[Jeffree Star]

Hi.

[Lauren Everts]

Go listen on YouTube.

[Jeffree Star]

Hi, how are you? I'm pregnant. So yeah, I think that it was really cool for people, they see a little bit more behind the curtain. So I met this random guy, guy, his name was Christian and he filmed my entire YouTube channel for 10 years. We met through his ex wife who was a beauty influencer at the time. And I was like, I want to try YouTube. Like these other people are doing it. I have a brand now. Like this is, I think my, I think I'm made for this. So the first thing we did was shoot me with no makeup on. So it was such a like holy. Not that I'm like hideous or anything, my skin looks real good. But it was just like the shock value of like you're not seeing the drawn on eyebrows, the crazy, crazy everything. So I was just there bare faced. Hi, I'm my again. I resurrected my channel so it was just sat there for years, dormant. So I opened her up again, logged in and uploaded my first beauty video and the rest was history.

[Lauren Everts]

Why do you think that you resonate so much with people? Like what is the secret sauce?

[Jeffree Star]

I think just being yourself, which sounds so simple. But so many people, especially nowadays with the social media world, they're putting on an act, they're putting on a show, they're lying about everything. And I think when people discover it, cause they're not good liars, people are very disappointed. So I think for me, I've just never not. I've always been myself.

[Lauren Everts]

Have you been like that since you were little?

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

You're just always like what you see is what you get. Tap dancing. I'M an oversharer. Take it a little.

[Michael Bostic]

You know what else I think it is of the limited, you know, interactions we've now had together quickly, is that I feel like you're completely yourself without any regard of people, like, how you are or not how you are, with. Also no pressure on anyone else on how they choose to live.

[Jeffree Star]

That part. Absolutely.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes.

[Michael Bostic]

And it's refreshing because.

[Jeffree Star]

Yes. Because I miss the days when we would all be able to sit down as a collective, whoever it was and all respect each other. Doesn't matter your religion, doesn't matter what you believe in. We could all break bread, have dinner, have healthy conversations and. And be friends. Nowadays, it's like, oh, well, you don't like what I like. I'm blocking you. I hate you. Or you're. You're wrong. And it's just like. I don't know how we got here as a society. It's very interesting.

[Michael Bostic]

It's weird. I mean, we're all. Don't Google this. We're all around the same age. Right. And that's.

[Jeffree Star]

I'm a dinosaur.

[Michael Bostic]

That's. But that's the world we all came from. It's like, it was not uncommon to be around many people that you disagreed with and still have great relations with them.

[Jeffree Star]

Exactly. It just didn't matter like it did. Now. It's very interesting how people get very. You like this about politics or you believe this about sexuality, then you're. Then we can't be friends. It's a very weird world we live in nowadays.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, I didn't. I didn't want to jump into this right away, but.

[Jeffree Star]

Let's jump.

[Michael Bostic]

I was gonna tell you. So we. Obviously, Pierce has been on the show. I think he's great. We saw you on his show after Charlie. I thought you were great. I thought it was a very human moment. I thought it was very vulnerable moment. We were recording that day when we saw that, it fucked me up. Like, even talking about it, it might fuck me up again. Like, just. Just the. Just the thought of, like, that happening. And she was like, what's wrong? She didn't see it at the time because we found it when we.

[Lauren Everts]

No, I didn't see it on Facebook.

[Michael Bostic]

We were doing something like this with someone, and I was, like, really distracted and disheveled about it.

[Jeffree Star]

Yes.

[Michael Bostic]

And not for any other bias other than, like, somebody lost their life for just sharing an opinion. And I thought the way you said it and the fact that people could come out and be cheerful or happy about that and not even See the human side, I think, like, we've got. We gotta get back to that place. People just recognize life in general.

[Jeffree Star]

I think it's the phones. I think it's made people, I don't know, dead inside. It's very weird.

[Lauren Everts]

You think they're on their phones.

[Jeffree Star]

I don't know. It's just. And it's the culture of being on their phones all day long, not having enough human interaction. No one goes and plays outside. It's like, you know what I mean? So I was live streaming on TikTok, and I was about to do a big shopping live and sell products and do a whole qvc, we call it JVC now moment. And my whole chat started, like, spamming things. And I was like, what are y' all talking about? What's going on? And it was like in real time, us all finding out. And it was just. I couldn't do the. I couldn't do the shopping live. I sat there, I cried off camera. I went on a full rant, and I just organically reacted to someone that I respected. Did I. Did I agree with all his opinions? No, no one agrees with everyone's. Anyone's opinions like that. It's mine. Yours, Anybody. But I respected a lot of what he stood for, and he loved freedom of speech. And to be taken out because you have an opinion is so scary because I saw myself in that light of, like. Well, I'm very outspoken, you know, like, that's crazy. He has so much influence.

[Michael Bostic]

They.

[Jeffree Star]

They wanted to take him out. So I'm finding out while I'm streaming. It was awful.

[Michael Bostic]

And did you get. You got upset because of some of the reactions in your chat?

[Jeffree Star]

Yes, after it was fully found out. Because first it was like someone got shot, and then it was like Charlie passed away. And I was just like, it was just so devastating. So in that moment, people. Well, my chat is very, like, they kind of think like me or they, you know, they agree and they have feelings. I think later that day and the next day is when all the people. And I think a lot of people, they troll, unfortunately. Yeah. They're just sitting in their, you know, in their house, miserable, and they're just like, you know, it's like that catfish lady that was texting her daughter for two years. I mean, don't get me started on that.

[Lauren Everts]

Can you imagine?

[Michael Bostic]

What do you mean? What was she doing? I don't know this story.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, my God. It's.

[Michael Bostic]

She was pretending to.

[Jeffree Star]

High school catfish.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, I know about catfishers, but so.

[Jeffree Star]

Well, this is the recent Netflix documentary. And for two years, this high schooler and her ex boyfriend now and her friends were getting texts from like, a WhatsApp or something where you could always text someone some weird app. And years later, the FBI finally got involved. We're talking like thousands a day. Like, the most craziest shit. It was her own mother.

[Lauren Everts]

It almost seemed, and I don't know enough about the story, that, like, her mother was, like, bullying her because of her mother's own insecurities and she was, like, projecting it onto the daughter. She was jealous or something.

[Jeffree Star]

Really dark stuff.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, really dark stuff.

[Jeffree Star]

So you don't. You don't picture this random, you know, lady that looks like a normal, like, mom doing this on the side. So I feel like when I know there's people that really are vicious and say crazy things about Charlie and they're horrible people, but I also think there's a lot of bored people that just, like, they want a reaction, so they just say whatever, and they're just hiding behind their phone. And it's just so different. It's just fucked up, honestly, there also.

[Lauren Everts]

Sometimes, maybe with you, whenever I see comments, it's like they almost want your acknowledgement.

[Jeffree Star]

They do.

[Lauren Everts]

It's like when you. If you respond, they almost, like, back down and, like, say, like, thank you or, like, oh, I love. Like, it's like a different shift. Do you notice that?

[Jeffree Star]

Yes. So on TikTok, when you're solo live, you can add people in what they call boxes. So like, a couple times, if someone says something really crazy, I'll click it to invite them in to go live with me. And they have and, like, people that say crazy, horrible things to me. Oh, I just wanted your attention. Can we cuss on here?

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Jeffree Star]

Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

You can say whatever you want.

[Michael Bostic]

We've already talked about the. What was it called? The call.

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, yeah, I forgot. But, like. But imagine I'm about to say something. But, like, imagine you're in my chat and you're like, you fucking ugly faggot. And then I invite you up and you're like, I just wanted your attention. So you want to call me the f. Slur.

[Michael Bostic]

And then what do you. What are they. What are they doing in the chat? When you bring them in, they're just sitting there like a deer in headlights.

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, I just wanted your attention. Like, I got it. Like, I. You're great. I'm like, what? So that's new. Like, that did not exist in the older social media days, so it's just A really weird time.

[Michael Bostic]

The Internet early days was, like, a pretty supportive place. Or else you were just not really following somebody. Like you. You didn't intentionally go to troll people in the early days.

[Jeffree Star]

Now there's people that follow me, and every. I go live, and in 30 seconds they're like. And I'm just like, okay.

[Lauren Everts]

Does anything phase you at this point? Or have. Has it been Chinese torture? And you're just like, it doesn't even matter.

[Jeffree Star]

It feels like nothing.

[Lauren Everts]

Like nothing.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah. I like to clap back and be funny when I'm in the mood. And people love my. My sarcastic way and my jokes and shit, so I think it's funny.

[Lauren Everts]

You are very witty.

[Jeffree Star]

Thank you.

[Lauren Everts]

So nothing. Nothing, like, affects you. Have. You had to, like, build that muscle.

[Jeffree Star]

It never really. I just never really cared.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Jeffree Star]

For some reason. And it started kind of like in high school. I woke up one day and it was just like, almost like this new click, like in the. In the cogs. It was just like my brain evaporated. The feelings of, like, really caring because, you know, Orange county is a different place. And I grew up very, you know, like, punk rock and goth and huge shoes and mohawks and, you know, I dyed my hair pink in 11th grade. I shaved my eyebrows off. And I grew up with all those kids. So from my kindergarten to 12, we all knew each other. So luckily, I am probably one of the only people that looks like me that has never been bullied. I was never really bullied at all. I always stuck up for myself. And if someone tried me, I'd get vicious back. I love. I used to love fighting.

[Michael Bostic]

I feel like Orange county is like more of accepting of the Bible. Yeah. And people in Orange county can people for not.

[Jeffree Star]

Morales was different now.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. But then I remember you gotta be careful up there sometimes.

[Jeffree Star]

It was different times. Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

You never got picked on.

[Jeffree Star]

Not really. But, like, when I would walk down the street before social media was big, people would, like, roll down their car windows, you fucking freak. And like, no one does that anymore. You're gonna get and shot. But like, the old days, before they could tell you that on the phone, they would scream, you know, weird things at me. And I was like, whatever, Spare me.

[Lauren Everts]

What was the moment that you realized that you could build a massive business around all of this? And what were the steps that you took to build that and start that?

[Jeffree Star]

I think the first one was just taking a risk on myself. And, like, a lot of people don't know that I come from the music world. Like, I started being A makeup artist for four famous people. And then as a kind of like a joke, I made a couple songs with this band called Hollywood Undead. And then I was like, oh, I'm going to make my own. So I kind of did it in like a silly, funny way, never knowing what was going to happen. Uploaded some songs. It got so big. And fast Forward to almost 10 years of my life touring the world. Europe, Australia, everywhere, all over America, over and over. Got, got giving, you know, gotten to experience life, you know, and it's such a different way. Playing punk rock shows, being on the Van's Warp tour, playing all these cool things. And then it hit a ceiling where it wasn't what I wanted finally. And my gut was like, we need to go back to our first passion and that's makeup. And I couldn't imagine being so well known on social media, like going to work at the mall. Oh, hell no. That was not. That was not acceptable. I was like, damn, I'm gonna quit music. And I was like sitting in my little apartment in NoHo, broke as fuck with me and my dog, not, you know, eating ramen. And I had a little bit of money left and I found someone who respected me enough to lend me the rest of the money. And I started this dream with three liquid lipsticks and a hope that it might work. So to answer your question, I didn't know it was going to be like this ever. But when it started and I hit that button on Black Friday 2014 and it sold out in five minutes. And I. And I paid the dudes that, you know, that invested the money in an hour, I knew there was a bigger picture. And then when YouTube really started popping off and the brand was like really growing so quick, lightning in the bottle. I was like, this is it. Like, this is my fucking dream. And I never held back.

[Lauren Everts]

For people that don't know how gnarly your business is, take us behind the scenes of the infrastructure now.

[Jeffree Star]

Okay. It's wild. And like, what sense? Because there's so many aspects of cosmetics. I haven't even.

[Michael Bostic]

Just the scale.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, give us like, I think people are interested in like the behind the scenes. Like, what is your team like? Like what, what. What did it take to run the machine of Jeffree Star?

[Jeffree Star]

It's been a crazy 10 years. 11 years now in November, it's 11 years. It's just finding the right people. So like, you see Mark here, we met at the band's Warped Tour. He used to tour, manage bands and work for. For record labels and. And then A merch company that I later invested in, he was working for. And my business partner was like, hey, we're gonna, you know. Cause we had to ship the product somewhere and we. From day one, we're like, well, we wanna make as much money as possible and do the business right. So a lot of brands have a random, you know, pick and pack place ship their orders. We created our own. So we made money off of every package we sent.

[Lauren Everts]

Smart.

[Jeffree Star]

So Killer Merch was a little thing and it turned into this massive company and there's so many clients now, from rock to MMA to comedians, you know, to me. So Killer Merch is. This is the pick and pack.

[Lauren Everts]

What's been the biggest bump for you? Like, where have you noticed the biggest growth? Or has it been slowly?

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, that's a good one. The big. Well, the growth was really rapid because of YouTube and life.

[Lauren Everts]

But you had content marketed for so long and people had fallen in love with you, so it was almost like they invested in your journey, they invested in you. So anything you launched they wanted to buy.

[Jeffree Star]

And it was a great time for liquid lipsticks. Everyone has one now. Back then there was three brands. It was like Stila Lime Crime and Kat Von D. So when I came out with my formula, it was superior to all of those competitors and it was just lightning in a bottle. It went everywhere. And I'll never forget, my website was me laying in the pink coffin with the top open, me staring up, and it said, makeup, you're going to die for. And that was the splash page to put in your email address. And no one knew what was happening. And then I launched Three Colors Red Rum, Prom Night. And I'm royalty. Three shades. And I was. I was on the Vans Warp tour, selling T shirts, trying to make money to pay my rent, and testing colors and formulas. And it was just like. So when it happened and it sold out so quickly that the first bump was, oh, well, if you want to reorder cosmetics, it's going to take months. You're not going to be able to restock that in a week. And I'm like, oh. So the growing pains were almost instant, which is, you know, it's almost like.

[Lauren Everts]

You scaled the first day you launched, so you had to, like, learn how to scale immediately.

[Jeffree Star]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

That's like a great lesson, though. It's like it ripped the band data.

[Jeffree Star]

Yes. And my advice to anyone that wants to be an entrepreneur is invest in yourself. So even though I was dirt broke and had almost nothing, the first million, the first 2 million, we put right back into the business, you know what I mean? I think a lot of people, they get newly rich and I know people watching may be like, like a million dollars is not a lot of money. If you're currently broke and miserable and you're going through it, you're gonna be like you, Jeffrey, I was there, I had literally nothing. And it's, it's hard to say that, but in a big business, it's really not. So a lot of these influencers and people nowadays, they take their quick little money, they spend it all, they're not investing correctly, they don't have the right team and they have a Lambo and then they're broke in six months and you're like, oh, well, did you need that car? Because you didn't have that car six months ago. So I invested into the brand, created 150 liquid lipsticks, you know, and I, and I just kept making new categories of things that I loved. I've never created something for the customer. I create things for me and the customer. Because if I don't love it, how are y' all going to love it?

[Lauren Everts]

How did you get so savvy with money?

[Jeffree Star]

You're savvy with money, having a great business partner.

[Lauren Everts]

So it's, Is it something that you.

[Jeffree Star]

And learning from someone who is older? He is 30. No, 20. Oh my God. I'm trying to do the math in my head. I'm. He's 20 years older than me.

[Lauren Everts]

Got it.

[Michael Bostic]

Did you live extravagantly at all before? Or have you always been careful with money?

[Jeffree Star]

So it was, it was fake it till you make it in the MySpace world. So living in LA, I'd go to my rich friend's mansions and take pictures and, you know, I worked for Kelly Osborne and I'm so sorry for listening, but I used to steal her clothes. Yeah, I really did. I don't think she never noticed. So. Yeah, yeah, I did, I did. One of my famous MySpace photos is in her stolen Chanel jacket. I'm so sorry.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, I think she'll forgive you now.

[Jeffree Star]

I'll pay you back. I have it now. So. Yes, it's bizarre, but yeah, it is bizarre in, in you know, in like a, let's say like a five year span to go from having $500 to 200 million, you know, it's very interesting.

[Lauren Everts]

That's bizarre. That's bizarre. Can you walk us through that for people?

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah, talk us through that.

[Lauren Everts]

What is that?

[Jeffree Star]

Like in what way?

[Lauren Everts]

Like what is.

[Jeffree Star]

It's obviously. So here's the Trip.

[Michael Bostic]

So I managed that shift. That's a big shift.

[Jeffree Star]

Well, the problem with me is I'm such a Scorpio and I'm such a. Like, I move on really quickly from things.

[Lauren Everts]

So do. I love that. I love it.

[Michael Bostic]

I love it.

[Lauren Everts]

I love to move on quick. It's all in the recovery.

[Jeffree Star]

But no one wants to hear this right now, but I gotta be honest. When I started to become very wealthy, I bought everything I ever wanted. Was bored.

[Michael Bostic]

And that's a common story.

[Jeffree Star]

Yes. And that segues into years of trying to prove myself to me and my audience that I made it. So I bought the biggest house in Hidden Hills. Bigger house than all the celebrities. I did everything I thought I wanted to fill the void of the childhood, the trauma that I hadn't fully dealt with. And no matter how many designer clothes and diamonds and cars you buy, it's all just fucking materialistic shit.

[Lauren Everts]

And there you are.

[Jeffree Star]

So I, I hit this point.

[Lauren Everts]

You look at your face, you're still there. It's even all the stuff you have to deal with, all that stuff.

[Jeffree Star]

So the pandemic happens and I'm sitting in a 25,000 square foot home and I'm bored and the house is. I don't know, I don't. To me, it wasn't too big, but like anyone listening would be like rolling their fucking eyes. I totally get it. But like I, you know, I had a movie theater and a fucking two story gym. And when you're busy still keeping that business and making it all work, I used the movie theater like four times in two years. Like, it's, it's not what people think. I mean, I wasn't married. I don't have kids. I'm not sitting here bored at home trying to be a housewife, you know what I mean? So I was too busy to fully enjoy it. And then the pandemic put a halt on all of our lives. Right, Right. Six feet apart. That was a lie, by the way. That was a full lie. Yes. I'm glad that was exposed. Oh, my God. Literally a full lie.

[Lauren Everts]

My husband's dying.

[Michael Bostic]

You've come to the right place.

[Jeffree Star]

My husband, it's a fact though, he.

[Lauren Everts]

Just loves colorful people.

[Jeffree Star]

Let's stay away so we can all keep getting sick.

[Lauren Everts]

This man loves the personality. Like there is nothing that this man loves more.

[Jeffree Star]

I hate people that just are just. Oh, it happened. Yeah. I'm like, what do you mean it happened? We were in the setup. The government set us the up. What do you mean?

[Michael Bostic]

Almost got us.

[Jeffree Star]

They Were almost got and then we all rioted and got bored. Yeah, yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Hello.

[Jeffree Star]

How long were you going to keep us in?

[Michael Bostic]

I mean, listen, we did, we did leave to that heads. Texas, Wyoming, like get the hell out.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, so go on. You're in the pandemic. You're in this 25,000.

[Jeffree Star]

This is like seven, eight years into my brand. I've made so much money, I've bought everything I ever wanted. I've been to every trip, every city and I love traveling and I love people and I love meeting new people. I love eating new food and stuff. And I. Traveling is probably the most rewarding of being successful. That's my thing. Use your money to travel and experience life.

[Lauren Everts]

That's a good tip.

[Jeffree Star]

What does 25 cars gonna do?

[Michael Bostic]

Not the things, not the material things.

[Jeffree Star]

You know, it's nice to have nice things when you have nothing. But I started to just see things different and my brain was developing different. I saw things for really what it was and I was just fed up with it all. I was so tired of la, I was burnt out and they trapped us indoors. So when that was starting to really happen, my gut was like, well, this plan of moving away should happen now versus in another 10 years. My plan was like, I'll be like 50 and live on a little farm and have a little, you know, whatever and just be away from everyone. My brain was like, now, huh?

[Michael Bostic]

How did you decide on Casper, Wyoming?

[Jeffree Star]

Like every local asked me this.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, not that it doesn't look amazing over there.

[Lauren Everts]

Locals are like, oh my God, this is amazing.

[Jeffree Star]

So, yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

How have the locals embraced you?

[Jeffree Star]

They have, I'm sure.

[Michael Bostic]

I bet they have. But I'm just wondering in the beginning.

[Jeffree Star]

Day, couple months in, oh, you're gonna bring all your LA garbage here. And I'm like, what does that even mean? You don't even know anything about me. You don't know what I believe in, my political beliefs. You don't know anything about me. I just look like this and I'm bringing the same. I flew in on a private jet with a 6 foot 7 basketball player and my assistant and dogs and everybody. And we just looked through it and I. I knew I wanted to be in a small town that FBO has.

[Michael Bostic]

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[Jeffree Star]

I don't know.

[Michael Bostic]

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[Jeffree Star]

Wyoming's known for Jackson Hole. Well, that's a tourist trap. There's all mansions there and a couple big ranches. But it's very like hidden hills, mansions everywhere. There's no fun, you know, all the celebrity. I don't get it. So I picked a town that is very not like that. They're all working people, but they actually care. So I, you know, I visited around. I was maybe entertaining Alaska too far away. It's like living in another country. Because I remember I still had to go to LA all the time, shoot campaigns, be active. And I was like, damn, Alaska is so pretty. I've been there several times. My first time seeing the northern lights was there. So cute.

[Lauren Everts]

It's cold though, right?

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah, Wyoming's freezing, but Alaska's another love.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, okay.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, Wyoming.

[Jeffree Star]

So I was entertaining a couple places, but I still wanted to be relatively closer to la. I was like, oh, my favorite author is Stephen King. I was like, maybe I want to move to Maine. Let's get really weird. Why has he stayed there forever?

[Michael Bostic]

And I like Stephen King. He also lost it a little bit during the pandemic.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah. I think because I like his book so much, I'm gonna glaze over that care. Yeah. And he said some, he said some.

[Michael Bostic]

Dumb about masked you up double double masked you up.

[Jeffree Star]

He said some dumb about Charlie and then was wrong about it. And. Oh, my God, you're just such a cool writer. Why are you even. Ugh. Whatever. But, yeah, I'll always be a fan. I have Red Rum tattooed on my stomach. Hello. You know what I mean?

[Michael Bostic]

Hey, do you know what that's from?

[Lauren Everts]

It's from Psycho.

[Jeffree Star]

We're done.

[Lauren Everts]

Is it?

[Jeffree Star]

We're leaving.

[Michael Bostic]

No, no. Is it?

[Lauren Everts]

Wait, what's it from?

[Michael Bostic]

No, it's murder, you guys. No, it's the Shining.

[Jeffree Star]

Sorry.

[Michael Bostic]

The Shining. Sorry. Yeah. The Shining.

[Jeffree Star]

He was so confidently wrong.

[Michael Bostic]

He's like, hey, that's my whole life with ignorance and confidence.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, Red Rum is from. From the Shining.

[Michael Bostic]

The Shining.

[Jeffree Star]

Okay, I own the word now.

[Lauren Everts]

You own the word?

[Jeffree Star]

I do.

[Michael Bostic]

You bought the word.

[Lauren Everts]

Why don't you do, like, a. Like a makeup palette called Red Rum?

[Jeffree Star]

Different reds, Red Rum lipstick, Red Rum lip liner, Red rum gloss.

[Lauren Everts]

You're 20 steps ahead of me.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay, Go back, Go back.

[Lauren Everts]

You're in Wyoming. Casper, Wyoming.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah. And I'm. And I. And I see the town, and the thing is, is, like, I hired a realtor, and she showed me ranches and properties outside of town. So I'm like, I like the little town. It's cute. There's 60,000 people. So different than 9 million folks here, right? And I loved how sweet everyone was. I went to a couple other states, and, like, if people haven't traveled, every state has their own personality, okay? They really do. And Wyomingites are so giving and sweet. Like, if you were on the side of the road needing a tire changed, three people are gonna stop for you here. They're gonna flip you off. Cause you're in the way, right? They really care, like, in their gut. And they don't want anything from you. Like, oh, there's a damsel in distress. I'm pulling over. I'm gonna help her, and then I'm gonna go home to my family.

[Lauren Everts]

It's refreshing.

[Jeffree Star]

It's really cool. And people cared. And it was more like, how are you doing today versus here? What do you do? How can I use you? What do y' all do? Oh, you look cute. And you're like, oh, my God. Is there any real people here? This city is a bunch of stepping stone idiots. Where Wyoming was like, how are you? How are you today? I hadn't been asked how I was in, like, 10 years almost.

[Lauren Everts]

It was disorienting.

[Jeffree Star]

I was like, how am. What do you mean? I was like, I don't know. How are you? Like, how you did to me. So when you.

[Lauren Everts]

So when you move in, the town embraces.

[Jeffree Star]

At first they were a little apprehensive.

[Lauren Everts]

Right.

[Jeffree Star]

I think they obviously saw what I looked like. And a lot of people, you know, they don't fully get it or they didn't know what I was about. And I kept to myself and I invested into the community and I, you know, I donated to a lot for charity. Not because of any other reason, because I saw a town that I appreciated. So after a couple months of being there, I started meeting a lot of the locals and the mayor and things like that. And I'm like, I really like this town. And to me, Wyoming was going to be like just a getaway. I was still going to live in LA and do my thing. And then I really fell in love with the ranch and then the neighbors sold me all their property. Thanks. And I have no neighbors, really. There's like a couple houses to the left and it's just all land. I'm at the base of Casper Mountain. Are you aware that the Ghost Hunter TV show just aired a Casper Mountain, which is the mountain in my backyard? A full two part series about ghosts and shit.

[Michael Bostic]

Did they find any?

[Jeffree Star]

Yes.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay.

[Jeffree Star]

But on the other side of the mountain, there's a huge mountain and they did. On the other side.

[Lauren Everts]

Isn't the frequency so grounding there and so like earthy. Don't you feel like grounded? Like I'm talking like, like you really actually literally feel grounded.

[Jeffree Star]

So when I land and I, and I walk out to my backyard, instant peace.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Jeffree Star]

Stress gone, vanished. I land here, I want to throw up. And not just from the pollution.

[Lauren Everts]

I get, I get what you're saying. I always say that LA and New York are my mistress. I suck it, I it. And then I get the out and go back to Texas.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

So I totally understand what you're saying of like, you just want to like, sort of like this is like use LA for what you can use it.

[Michael Bostic]

We should have done this in Casper, Wyoming.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I would have come to Wyoming.

[Jeffree Star]

We would have recorded the Pink Barn with the disco ball and.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, I'm proposing this on air.

[Jeffree Star]

You can ride a camel.

[Lauren Everts]

I would. Can I come to Casper, ride a camel and do the next show that we do with you whenever it is. Maybe it's in a year, maybe it's in two years in the pink Barn.

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, of course it has WI fi. It's air conditioning. It's heated.

[Lauren Everts]

Mark, you have to make this happen. Please.

[Jeffree Star]

It's so fun.

[Lauren Everts]

Taylor's getting really excited. He doesn't know what's gonna. We're going. Yeah. You want to Colorado.

[Jeffree Star]

He wants to Colorado. Campfire me.

[Lauren Everts]

So. So when you got there, how. What was the. The just a position in your life. Like, how. How is it different in Wyoming from every single level? Business, friendships, all the things.

[Jeffree Star]

My best friend of 20 years moved with me.

[Lauren Everts]

Cool.

[Jeffree Star]

Michael. And he runs my store. So when I first moved there, none of this was in my head. I was just like, I just want to be in peace and try to, you know? And I had dealt with a lot of crazy drama, and the beauty world was so toxic, and I just wanted to get away from it all. And 10 years of YouTube, I was like, damn, I've hit a ceiling. I did two documentaries. I've reviewed every makeup brand on the planet. I've showed every aspect of my life and a lot of things that people had never seen before, like how to make a makeup product. When me and Shane Dawson did our conspiracy collab, no one had ever seen really, like, the beauty world and all. And beauty was so big. Makeup was like, everyone had to have every single thing from every brand, and beauty was way more massive than it is currently. Right? So we just showed it all. And when I went to Wyoming, I just wanted to kind of be at peace. And then, unfortunately, which is a great thing, my brain can't ever sleep. I make everything a business, so I'm like, okay. And then, you know, everyone's like, well, you should get animals. And I'm like, I'm not doing no horses and fucking alpacas. And I was like, I don't want any animals. Months later, my neighbors sell me all their land. We went from like 70 acres to a thousand. So I have, like, a little small city to myself. And I built gates, and I barbed wired everything and did fencing. And I built my own road. I didn't know you can build a street. You can.

[Lauren Everts]

Is your street name something?

[Jeffree Star]

Star Creek Road.

[Lauren Everts]

Cute. Did you barbed wire it to keep people out or barbed wire it to keep the animals in?

[Jeffree Star]

Both.

[Lauren Everts]

Got it, got it, got it. I knew there was a reason.

[Michael Bostic]

We only have a little bit to learn about running a farm.

[Jeffree Star]

So just like being a musician that created a makeup line that knows nothing. I had to teach myself how to be a CEO and run a full fledged company. I taught myself how to be a rancher. So I'm sure a lot of Wyoming people early on were rolling their eyes in the back of their head. And then being a musician, I've toured the whole World. I remember being in Switzerland and seeing all these big, hairy cows on a beautiful green mountain. And they're like. And I was like, what are those? And they're like, those are yaks. And I was like, oh, how cool. And they're really quirky. They have really cool personalities. They're not like a beef cow that's just, like, just sitting there. They throw their tails up, they run around. They have cool personalities. There's ones that I have trained. You can rub them to the ground with these nails. Hi.

[Lauren Everts]

I was gonna ask you how we're. Milk a yak with the nail.

[Jeffree Star]

No milking. You can milk them, but that's not the thing. You just butcher them for. For meat.

[Lauren Everts]

Got it. So are you raising the yaks to butcher or are they both? Both.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah. So I have. I have a whole entire pasture of pets. There's big, massive bulls that you would think would gore you and kill you. And I can rub them to the ground.

[Lauren Everts]

What if you fall in love with their personality and you don't want to eat them?

[Jeffree Star]

I don't bond with the butcher animals.

[Lauren Everts]

Got it. That's smart.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah. They're just there, and you drive by and say hi and feed them, and they're living a beautiful life, all grass fed. And then the older you get, you start caring about certain things.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Jeffree Star]

I used to be the queen of fast food. I'm embarrassed, I'll tell you that exclusively. I'm so fucking embarrassed of how some of my behaviors used to be. Because I let fast food be a big part of my life, and I'm so influential. I was like the queen of Taco Bell. I was going to do a Taco Bell makeup collaboration.

[Lauren Everts]

Didn't do it because why? Explain to people. Explain to people that don't understand the butchering process.

[Jeffree Star]

Yes. So that's. Oh, my gosh. So what I've learned from. From producing food. There are some folks out there that think meat comes from the grocery store.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, I think that's the majority of.

[Jeffree Star]

People, or at least they know you're smart. So your brain can't process what I just said. I know. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Your.

[Jeffree Star]

Your. Your steaks just come from the grocery store. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Isn't it responsible, though? Can you speak on this? How it is to actually, like, what you're doing is, like. Like, very responsible.

[Jeffree Star]

It's. And it's very ethical. So you've seen documentaries. What's the cow one? Cowspiracy. Okay. So my animals are living on. You know, every pasture has almost 100 acres. They're roaming free. They're in their element. They're grazing, they're playing, they're living their life. A lot of people that are currently at home, maybe even, you know, listening to this. You're eating something that was shoved in a steel box, pumped full of hormones made to grow quicker than it was ever humanly possible from what God created us all in. And it's really, really awful. And I realized that fast food wasn't real and it wasn't real food. And how could we possibly have enough animals to serve every McDonald's client every day? It's not real meat. It's fake.

[Lauren Everts]

So do you feel better after you're eating the meat from your land?

[Jeffree Star]

5 years Taco Bell free. I feel like an addict. Like, hi, I'm Jeffrey. I'm a fast food addict. Or I was.

[Lauren Everts]

When I started eating a lot of grass fed meat, I noticed my hair grew, my nails grew, my skin was plumper. I look younger. The creatine, the aminos. Like, people don't realize. Like, it is literally like a multivitamin if you get the right meat.

[Jeffree Star]

Yes. And grass fed is the best.

[Lauren Everts]

Can we buy Jeffree star meat? Yes.

[Jeffree Star]

Yes, you can. We. So all of it is USDA approved.

[Lauren Everts]

Wait, I was being funny. Are you being serious?

[Jeffree Star]

We ship to all 50 states. That doesn't surprise if you're running a full so because. Yeah, so I bought it. The quick version is I bought a couple yaks. And the thing with me is I become really obsessive in a healthy way of like, what am I going to do as my next venture? Right? Like TikTok. Now I'm the queen of TikTok Live streaming. I started a ranch, got a couple animals for fun, and people kept going, are you going to murder them? And I'm like, no, I'm good. Like, I'm just. They're just a couple pets. And then I got more. And then I think sometimes when you get investment opportunities. Oh, I have, you know, my grandfather passed away. He has 50 yaks. I'll buy them all.

[Michael Bostic]

This is like maybe a personal question.

[Jeffree Star]

Isn't that what we're here for?

[Michael Bostic]

What does 50 acts cost?

[Jeffree Star]

Oh. Oh, my gosh. Stop. That's like the. It depends when a rancher needs to move them. You can get some really great deals, like $900 a head if you're gonna buy any. So I have the best genetics in America. All my yak rancher friends. You know, it's true. I bought in from every. So what I did was because I'm not the average bear, right? I got a couple yaks and then I was like, this can be a real business. And I realized, you know, the breeding and yaks are a niche market. Unbeknownst to all of the yak ranchers, there's not that many. Maybe like 50 to maybe, I think less than a hundred serious yak breeders. I bought from all of them. Them. And then just like Beauty World, there's yak drama.

[Lauren Everts]

Shut the up.

[Michael Bostic]

Sounds like you kind of cornered the yak market.

[Lauren Everts]

Shut the up. There's not yak drama.

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, there is. All the old farmers and old men hate each other.

[Lauren Everts]

What do they think of you coming in? New fresh meat energy.

[Jeffree Star]

Well, they don't care anymore because they bought all their animals.

[Lauren Everts]

So you bought all the animals? So you sort of. That guy that you read about, he's like that one guy rocking Rockefeller.

[Jeffree Star]

Well, so, yeah, I. So what I did was I bought animals from everyone and I started cross breeding and doing things that no other ranch had done. And unfortunately, there was a lot of people that were like. That didn't like each other. So this. This breed. Not breed like this genetics of. Of yak. They're never gonna breed with this because these two guys hate each other and no one's gonna. It's like. It was a weird thing. Very bizarre. So me not giving a fuck about any of that. I googled it all. I researched it. I learned about all the ranches. There's a. There's a yak association, the North American yak. So all my. My entire herd is registered with DNA testing through Gen Seek in Nebraska. So they're all pure. And it's. I'm really deep in now.

[Lauren Everts]

You know, I feel like you need some kind of. Of something like this that's like really sort of like out there. Like you. I feel like you need to like, get a bee farm or like, do something that's interesting like this. Because I. I like that. I like. It's unpredictable. No, she's saying because I want something unpredictable.

[Michael Bostic]

Because I get like, weirdly obsessed with things when I get into things and then I go down the rabbit hole and I will.

[Lauren Everts]

But I. I would. You've done it with, like, certain things. I could do something like, really weird like a yak. Like. Like do something like. Like colorful.

[Jeffree Star]

I gotta think he needs more than that.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay. I gotta think about bee farm.

[Jeffree Star]

That's cool if you like. See, I'm allergic to bees and I hate insects. So I'm running.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay?

[Jeffree Star]

I'm running. I'm Running away like James Hetfield and.

[Michael Bostic]

Metallica became a beekeeper.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah, that's badass, but you can't do that.

[Lauren Everts]

So go on with.

[Jeffree Star]

I didn't even know that Metallica is one of my favorite bands.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, he became a beekeeper and he says it's like really therapeutic. And they go and they do.

[Jeffree Star]

So here's the thing that I've never really acknowledged. I started producing meat. There was an extreme shock at first. Not people, not because before people would be like, are you gonna ever kill those things? You know, people just get so weird. And I'm like, no, I didn't have that thought process. And then I met other yak ranchers where I started buying yak. And people were like, try my meat. Here's a yak steak. I produce yak meat. And I was like, oh, cool. And then you Google it and you start doing your research. It's 95% fat free, full of the best nutrients, more than skinless chicken. I mean there's. It's so fucking healthy for you. And then I dumped fast food and I'm all like, yeah, let's teach everyone to eat better. And everyone was like, fuck you, you're murdering your animals. And I'm like, well, the ones I pet. And you guys see on social media, those are all still alive. They have name tags, serial numbers registered. I want to teach people to eat better and how we've all been tricked and the government doesn't care about us and they want to keep us sick. Oh, baby, they weren't ready for that. Now they are. We've made so much money off yak meat. It's a beautiful thing. And we've taught so many people to eat better and it's been really glorious.

[Lauren Everts]

What is it like to be so ahead of the curve where people don't get it? Because I have this problem with a lot of stuff. I get called a lot of different names. Woo. Woo is my favorite. But what is it like to be like so ahead that like, like you almost can't explain it, because you can't. It's almost like not in the zeitgeist yet. Does that make sense?

[Jeffree Star]

It just comes natural for me. So that's a hard thing to answer.

[Lauren Everts]

So when you, when you.

[Jeffree Star]

It feels great.

[Lauren Everts]

When you, when you start to feel people coming around to yak meat that's sustainably raised, it sounds like grass fed grass and alfalfa.

[Jeffree Star]

That's all they're eating, Nothing else. No medicine, no weird injections. They're just living their life. And you ethically, with a USDA agent, you, you know, you, you butcher them. And I think people just see document weird PETA videos and they think they're getting their throat slit. I mean they're dead in one second. That's it. It's a quick little like nail. And I do it in a way where the animals are there and they're stress free. So it isn't like unload them, bam. It's like they're chill. They're like. Cause the stress stays in the food.

[Lauren Everts]

And let me tell you something. And this is gonna be woo woo. If the animal has tons of cortisol and it dies, the frequency and the energy stays in the meat. And then people eat it.

[Jeffree Star]

It does. They eat the stress and the fear. But if you don't understand that they're not really doing it, understanding you don't understand it.

[Lauren Everts]

I mean, that's all about it.

[Jeffree Star]

Very ethical. So I'm not doing anything unethical. It's all by the books. But the shocker was you have a vegan cosmetics brand. Well, yeah, I'm sorry, you think little bunnies and dogs should be tortured with fucking lipstick and mascara formulas? That's way different than providing food from pasture to place. So living in Wyoming, I was educated so much and it really changed my life. So I didn't plan any of that. Like I said. So then all of a sudden it spiraled from 1 yak to 500 yaks, you know, 70 acres to a thousand. And then all of a sudden I'm like, I want to open up a store in Wyoming. The first ever Jeffree Star cosmetics store is in downtown Casper. 7,000 square feet. It's called the Jeffree Star store. Makeup and meat.

[Lauren Everts]

That is amazing. That is.

[Jeffree Star]

And it's really cool. So you.

[Lauren Everts]

That's why I like long form content though. Because you get the context around why, how you came to know.

[Jeffree Star]

I know.

[Lauren Everts]

So you can go shop some makeup and some me.

[Jeffree Star]

So this is a perfect example. You guys are passing through town, you may be going to a wedding in Montana and you're like, oh my God, let me check out that Jeffrey guy store. Well, he doesn't give a fuck about lip gloss. You may want to go shop lip scrubs and a fucking eye cream. He can go check out this yak steaks. We have taxidermy on the wall. There's samples of our. We have the famous yak jerky.

[Michael Bostic]

I might pick up one of the moisturizers.

[Jeffree Star]

They're famous. They're amazing. We have a Wyoming winter Skincare line. Now, that was inspired by living there and my skin becoming drier and creating a whole line for people that are dry as fuck.

[Lauren Everts]

How do you like your yak? Because I make a bowl. I make a bowl of meat every day. It's changed my life. I'm gonna switch to yak. But how do you eat your yak?

[Jeffree Star]

So yak is. It's so lean. You have to cook it on low heat and cook it slow.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Jeffree Star]

And it's. And a lot.

[Lauren Everts]

A little salt and pepper or. No.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah. Or seasoning. It's however you want it. Now, anyone that's listening at home and you're not visually looking at us right now, the number one question is, is it gamey? No, it's the opposite. It's sweeter than beef. It's not like elk. It's not like venison. It's not like bison. It is a sweeter, healthier beef, and it tastes so yummy.

[Lauren Everts]

And explain for people who don't know all of the benefits that come with it. Besides, like, the amino acids and the creatine, what are the things that you notice?

[Jeffree Star]

I feel like your digestive system is way better. I don't know how these people eat crap all day. It's a fake food. And then your body starts getting used to it, and it's just your skin. Everything just to me is just. You can tell when someone's not eating. Right.

[Lauren Everts]

Also, I think a lot of people right now, from what I'm learning from this show or on GLP1 ones, I can't breathe. We'll get into that.

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, boy.

[Lauren Everts]

A lot of people are on GLP ones. And I think if you're gonna be on a GLP one, you better be eating your yak and your protein.

[Jeffree Star]

They're not. They don't care. It's the girls that get lipo and they're back to eating McDonald's.

[Lauren Everts]

Really? You don't think anyone's on a GLP1 wanting a bowl of yak?

[Jeffree Star]

Five percent.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Michael Bostic]

All right, let me ask you this, switching gears a little bit because I. While I do love the yak meat discussion, I gotta keep it. I gotta keep it moving.

[Jeffree Star]

You want to talk about dick? That's easy.

[Michael Bostic]

We'll get to that yak on that dick.

[Jeffree Star]

Hey, he's already learning.

[Lauren Everts]

You have no idea. He's probably watching pornhub as we speak.

[Michael Bostic]

For I imagine we have to put.

[Jeffree Star]

In your age, so he probably isn't. Oh, it's shut down. It's getting banned in other Countries and other states. I mean, Arizona, you can't log in anymore.

[Lauren Everts]

Same with Texas.

[Jeffree Star]

I have friends who are in that industry, and I've been offered to be in that industry, and I don't know if I'm gonna do it yet. I better. I better. I better decide soon before I too old and I'm unfuckable. So I better be. Soon.

[Lauren Everts]

You do like a one and done. Like a. Like a. A starlet. Like, like, make it like a movie theater premiere opening.

[Jeffree Star]

A Bonnie Blue gang. Yeah, I'll come.

[Lauren Everts]

And now what's it called?

[Jeffree Star]

A lot of women are very upset about Bonnie Blue and how she let a thousand guys right like her. And I'm like, I'm just jealous.

[Lauren Everts]

I think everyone.

[Jeffree Star]

I was like, why did I think of that? Oh, my God. I saw the trailer on her Twitter. Twitter. And it was.

[Lauren Everts]

Taylor was in line.

[Michael Bostic]

Where's your mic?

[Jeffree Star]

But, yeah, go ahead. What are we gonna Internet? You want to stop Yakin.

[Michael Bostic]

Let me get back on. Listen, let me get. We went down a rabbit hole. Now for somebody who's so outspoken and.

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, boy, where is it going?

[Michael Bostic]

How do you feel? Well, I think I know how you feel about Cancel Culture and people feeling afraid to kind of speak their minds, who have built audiences and are scared to lose their businesses or their brands for sharing their true opinions. Because I think you've obviously built such a massive thing, but you've also always been yourself without feeling, like, tied to one camp or the other.

[Jeffree Star]

I think. Yeah. Well, I think Cancel Culture has evolved and changed, and I think the Internet is still. When you really think about it, it's kind of new, right? Like, I was 10th grade MS, you know, MSN, dial up, 56K modem them. People don't even know what the. That we're talking about right now. We're, like, speaking a different language.

[Lauren Everts]

The sound.

[Jeffree Star]

So I think the Internet evolved really quickly, and for Some reason around 2013, everyone became a pussy and people were. It was a very bizarre shift. Like all my crazy, wild jokes were now. And I'm like, okay, got it. And people got really, really weird. And I think now we're at a place where people should be held accountable for really awful things. Right. I think Cancel Culture is kind of over. But like we talked about, you're gonna glorify and make fun of someone that was murdered on, like, now you're getting the repercussions. So the people that are losing their jobs, Trump is taking away visas. If you're tweeting, I'm glad He died. Good. Now you're being held responsible versus, oh, you made a joke when you were 12. We're gonna hate you forever. I think people are allowed to grow and change. I think they are. And if you still think someone's a piece of, or they're still acting like that, then hold them accountable. Right. But I think for a while, no one wanted anyone to grow. It was like, we hate you. Go away. I never took that as an answer. And I never did anything illegal and I never did anything that I should be in jail and put away. Right. I said some really fucked up stuff when I was younger and I'm 40 now and I own it. And I'll always, you know, be apologetic and. And be embarrassed by those times, but I think I'm the face of, like, just do you. You're allowed to rebuild. You're allowed to evolve as a human. And I'm gracious enough to. Or I'm grateful that the Internet and my audience allowed me to grow versus snuffing me out, you know? Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

I think, like, what bothered me about in doing this show is you'd meet a lot of people that had platforms.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

And what they would say publicly versus privately were two different things. And that stuff drives me nuts because I'm like, the only reason you're not saying it publicly is because you're scared of the monetary repercussions and it's inauthentic.

[Jeffree Star]

When Charlie Kirk got assassinated, I just organically, like I always do, said how I felt, and I had no idea it was going to be received so great and also so awful. It was such a weird dichotomy of.

[Michael Bostic]

Like, awful in the way that, like, people from me.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah, well, like, some people. Because, you know, at the end of the day, the people that are. That unfollowed me, I.

[Michael Bostic]

In that way.

[Jeffree Star]

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Like, oh, they saw a 20 second clip. Well, so I got a lot of. Charlie Kirk would have hated you. I'm like. Because he didn't agree with certain things, that's not who he was. So a lot of people were like, I'm unfollowing you because you posted Rest in Peace. That shows a lot about them. That's really, really sad. So I lost 120,000 followers, gained half a million more. And that wasn't ever my plan. I organically found out about it and was just like, really, really shook and disgusted by the whole scenario. So, yeah, a lot of people, they saw, saw, I think, like, you know, a little tiny clip of him on Tick Tock or Instagram. And they just thought he was something he completely wasn't.

[Michael Bostic]

You know, very misunderstood I get for this, but that statue just shared about losing 100 and gaining 500. I've been saying for years, like, for some reason, we gave the loudest, angriest, most miserable people the biggest mouthpiece.

[Jeffree Star]

Yep. Right.

[Michael Bostic]

And like, I was, you know, I look at metrics, right. Running this business all the time. And I'm like, the analytics are not telling the story that the comics are.

[Jeffree Star]

Yes. Right.

[Michael Bostic]

It's like, I think most people. And you could just see this by going out into the normal world. You go out to dinner one night, most people aren't like screaming and yelling in people's faces and tearing them down. They're just like normal people trying to do normal things, take care of their families, live happily. But for some reason, yeah. The Internet has become this microcosm where like, for whatever reason, maybe it's algorithms. Those voices get a lot more shine or share.

[Jeffree Star]

Yes.

[Michael Bostic]

And I think we need to move away from that.

[Jeffree Star]

Absolutely.

[Michael Bostic]

I guess what I'm saying is more positive. People can chime in and say, hey, like, that's not okay.

[Jeffree Star]

Or, you know, and we can also all have different opinions about things. I also recently spoke up about gender and things like that, and it's like, really greatly received. But then a lot of people were like, shook. And I'm like, I didn't say anything that wasn't a scientific fact.

[Lauren Everts]

What did you say? If someone's listening and they don't know, I think.

[Jeffree Star]

And I come from an old school era, so it's kind of a tricky thing. Nowadays we have grown men with beards wearing dresses, going into the women's restroom. When I was younger, any normal person that felt like they were born in the wrong body was trying to be passable, and they were really wanting to live their life as a woman. And if you really think psychologically, you were born in the wrong body. Unfortunately, it's kind of. It's like a mental illness, but people hear illness and they just have a full spiral. So this new age of weirdos and predators trying to pretend they're trans or pretend they're this and. And harm women and children. That's my issue. So there is this piece of named Lilitino, who is pretending to be trans and recently went into the women's restroom at Disneyland. Disneyland's for children. Yes. There's adults that like Disney. We know that. And the camera's rolling. I'm sorry, there's a seven year old that just walked behind you. Why the fuck are you in a little training bra and lipstick like clearly with a man's voice in the women's restroom filming Rage, bait, attention. These things did not exist 10 years ago. So people love to misconstrue what I said. And that's really what I meant. And I think that we should be protecting women and children at all costs these days with so many weirdos out there on the Internet.

[Michael Bostic]

Listen, there might be some people that don't have any ill will or any harm but like just like why create the environment where there is the possibility of like. So say 100 people would never do anything wrong. But there's the one that will. That's why create the environment where that one that will has. That has an easier time to do that.

[Jeffree Star]

Right.

[Michael Bostic]

Like that's like that's really the. I think the thing that a lot of parents are nervous about most people you meet again like they don't have ill intention. They're just trying to live their life in the way that they.

[Jeffree Star]

So here's a. Here's a. To me this is a normal question but it might be received as a racy to some. Netflix recently is being canceled by Elon. Do you want your 5 year old watching a show that is going to confuse her about gender?

[Michael Bostic]

I don't want my five year old having to think about that calculus at five.

[Jeffree Star]

Thank you.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't want it. I just want my five. That's from a parent play outside and.

[Jeffree Star]

And be should a 5 year old worried about gender. Why are we putting in cartoons, trans flags and we're all this stuff that. And. And that's my personal opinion. I don't agree with it. I think it's too young. I don't agree with 8 year olds wearing makeup either. I'm one of the biggest indie beauty brands in the planet and I don't think little girls should be glorified to look older. That's disgusting. What the fuck is going on?

[Michael Bostic]

But I mean listen, we have.

[Lauren Everts]

If people want to do that, you do it. But like for me it's not for me.

[Michael Bostic]

I don't feel weird dancing around it. I mean we don't. We have young children and any parent that has young children, if you just watch them in normal like they're. They just want to.

[Jeffree Star]

Rugrats never did this. All these, all these shows we used to watch growing up, it was never like that. Yeah, maybe there was adult jokes that we didn't fully understand, but it was. It was never sexualized. And weird. And like, why does the 5 year old watching a Netflix cartoon show need to know about that right now? Why? And then let's just really take it there.

[Lauren Everts]

Let's take it there.

[Jeffree Star]

Why are we encouraging our kids to be a different gender and feed them false information when they're so young? So this is what I said recently that people really understood when I grew up and I started looking different. Different. Right. My mother encouraged me to just be myself. When I started wearing makeup and being more feminine and wanting to do certain things, it wasn't. Oh, my God, Jeffrey needs. What do they call it now? Gender affirming care. I'm gonna. I'm done. I'm done. I just. She let me be myself. She didn't push me to be anything. Just like when you're a tomboy, did your mom try to, you know, get you a surgery to be a. You know what I mean?

[Lauren Everts]

Exactly.

[Jeffree Star]

Did she cut your tits off at 13? That's not. No. So nowadays it's all these weirdos telling their kids, oh, my God, you like. You like a Barbie. You're. You're a woman. No, that's just a little boy experimenting, not knowing what the he's doing.

[Lauren Everts]

So. So why do you think that there's people out there trying to do that to their kids?

[Jeffree Star]

I don't know. And I feel uneducated in that aspect because I am not a parent. Right. And I don't fully grasp why. Why can't kids just be themselves and then figure it out when they're a little older to really make real decisions? Why are we, you know, at 12, my daughter thinks she's a boy. We're doing surgery, we're doing steroids, we're doing testosterone. We're. I just think. And their bodies are so not even developed yet. You're fucking with all the chemicals. And it's just. I just think we're gone down a bad path and kids should allow just to be themselves and express themselves and then figure it out later. So you're a tomboy. So you want to be a man. Yeah, you're just not girly, extreme.

[Michael Bostic]

But we come from the similar generation, like when I was growing up. And if you go through a bout of feeling down or you feel a little depressed, you feel a little angry, like, basically my parents are like, okay, you gotta work through that and feel that emotion, and we'll help you get to the other side.

[Jeffree Star]

Yep. What are you looking at over there, hoss?

[Lauren Everts]

What are you doing over there?

[Jeffree Star]

Influence that you were talking about oh.

[Michael Bostic]

You were looking at my.

[Jeffree Star]

You weren't looking at my ass pictures on Instagram. I got some good ones too. Huh.

[Michael Bostic]

But anyways, back to. Back to the, like. Kind of like the, like. There was a lot less coddling. I feel like it was like, hey, you're sad, you're upset, you're angry. Like, we're gonna work through it. We'll help you work through it. But, like, that's an emotion that people feel in life. Unfortunately, you got to get through it now. It's like, hey, you feel that way? Let's alter your entire reality and coddle to you and make it so you never feel any kind of pain or discomfort. We can't do that.

[Jeffree Star]

It' bizarre. Let people experience life. Let them fall off the bike and get back up. What's the short version?

[Lauren Everts]

What's the biggest misconception about you?

[Jeffree Star]

That I'm not a man. I'm just kidding.

[Lauren Everts]

Wait, is that really a misconception?

[Jeffree Star]

No, it's really not. I mean, random people would try it.

[Lauren Everts]

But random people on the Internet don't get about you, that it's not translating and it's frustrating.

[Jeffree Star]

What do you think that's. Let me think about this for a second. I know, I know we're recording, but.

[Lauren Everts]

No, we.

[Jeffree Star]

We can like someone that's known me for over 10 years. What is the misconception? But I'm just some dumb faggot. I can say it. Y' all can't. I don't ever post or. I don't need validation from my audience that knows that I love to take care of people. You know, life has blessed me beyond immense. So I love everyone to have the best time. We're on this planet in such a short amount of time. Let's all eat the best food, be in the best hotels, have the best experiences, laugh and enjoy. You know, go to trips and, like, okay, the business is over. Let's rent a yacht for five hours. Let's go have a fucking cool meal. Let's go down, sit, sightsee. Let's go have fun and enjoy all of this before it's gone.

[Lauren Everts]

I know that you're big and quiet about giving back. How do you give back? And what would surprise people about that charity? What. What do you do, like, for community?

[Jeffree Star]

Like, I know in Wyoming, I've donated millions and I've never really said anything about it because I don't want the. I don't know. I know, but I'm here. Everyone thinks I'm an attention seeker. It's just. I Don't need the validation of like, look, you guys, I get. I'm a good person. I know I'm a good person. Whether someone agrees with me or not is totally okay. But I moved somewhere where I really wanted to invest in the community. Whether it was the Wyoming Food bank or stuff like that. Like, I wanted to give back to the community and let them know I'm serious. And I really believed in my town. I believe in Wyoming. I really love the state. I think that Wyoming as itself is very misunderstood. I was just FaceTiming with someone that I'm sleeping with and they called Wyoming the serial killer state. Cause it's the least populated. And I'm like, huh, like, what a random thing. But you know, you see. I know. But then, you know, there's just movies like, oh, God, what is the. What is the movie in Wyoming? They're making a part to Wind river. So people just, they don't. They just see it as like really desolate and random murders and things happening. But it's really.

[Michael Bostic]

That's a great movie.

[Jeffree Star]

It's such a good movie.

[Lauren Everts]

I've seen it.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah. On a reservation. It's really dark. Yeah, it's on Netflix. It's like number one on Netflix right now. But I think, think people don't know that I have a big heart. I think they think I'm very superficial. Hi. But I like style. I like.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't feel that from you. I feel like you're very multifaceted, like an onion. And you're gonna get all different kinds of layers. I don't.

[Jeffree Star]

Absolutely.

[Lauren Everts]

I have to tell you, I don't feel like that at all.

[Michael Bostic]

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[Michael Bostic]

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[Jeffree Star]

In like, I want to collab and hang out with you way like beautiful people. Like Sexy Red. I just talked to her two days ago for the very first time. She followed me on Instagram. I know what you're getting at.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm talking about collab in a different way.

[Jeffree Star]

I don't ever kiss and tell.

[Michael Bostic]

This is.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't want.

[Michael Bostic]

This is a media pro slide.

[Lauren Everts]

I guess I'll ask a different.

[Michael Bostic]

You like that?

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah, like, like literally. Sexy Red, the rapper. I'm obsessed with her. She followed me on Instagram two days ago and we're gonna do a little tick tock this weekend. And I'm like, oh my God, I love her music. I'm obsessed with her. She couldn't believe I knew who she was and I couldn't believe she knew who the I was. It was really cute.

[Lauren Everts]

Let me ask.

[Jeffree Star]

You're talking about the horse cocks I'm sucking on. Like I know you want all the rappers that are all in the DL.

[Lauren Everts]

Are. Are there a lot of people that I'll ask it a different way. Are there a lot of people that would shock the audience that are sliding into your DMs?

[Jeffree Star]

I don't think anymore because I've talked about it for a couple of years now. Or you.

[Lauren Everts]

But you don't kiss and tell.

[Jeffree Star]

No. Like NFL. Like I was at the Super Bowl a couple years ago. How did you think I got there? You know what I mean? Like, hello. So I love athletes are fun and hung.

[Lauren Everts]

The best one is the basketball. Baseball or football?

[Michael Bostic]

Football.

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, gosh. Basketball. Basketball.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

That's tall. Like a six, eight situation.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

You would never go for like a five. Five.

[Jeffree Star]

What am I gonna do? Floss? What the am I gonna do? With that. Oh no. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not. It's not a turn on. I'm not kidding. Below, if, if you're hung maybe five.

[Lauren Everts]

If you know, don't invite me to your pink barn to keep interviewing you, I'm going to be really offended.

[Jeffree Star]

511 is like the worst case scenario.

[Michael Bostic]

Oh, Michael, you just made just, just, just shy five.

[Lauren Everts]

Eleven with a boot.

[Jeffree Star]

But I love masculinity. Here's a problem with society. We've set up society to shame and ridicule straight men. And I hate the term straight. You're allowed to mainly. Here's my take on it. Let's take away the word straight. 5% of the population that are men. Like women only 5%.

[Lauren Everts]

Wow.

[Jeffree Star]

95% of men. Will anybody wait?

[Michael Bostic]

How do you pull. Where's the stat from? I'm not debate. I'm not going to say you're wrong. But I want to just know.

[Jeffree Star]

Let me just tell you this.

[Michael Bostic]

Do we have a study or something?

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah, he's studying the study.

[Lauren Everts]

He's the study.

[Jeffree Star]

Here's the study. I am the Harvard study.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

Did you hear that?

[Jeffree Star]

As a very feminine man who has never pretended to be anything but what I was born. I do look a certain way. Which that also upset people when I was talking about Charlie and trans and all this. Like I've never. I'm a dude. I'm a guy. Do I look very feminine? Yes. I love hair and nails and makeup. I don't know. It's just built in me to like fashion.

[Michael Bostic]

You can imagine what where that's the calculus of a lot of this gets confusing.

[Jeffree Star]

Yes. So society has let everyone know that men have to be macho and men. So if they have sex with a male or anyone that's feminine, that has a penis, they're now demasculated in their freak show. It's very bizarre. So unfortunately it's very. The DL term is very real. A lot of guys want to hook up on the DL because the world will judge them. There's been dudes that have been in love with me that have cried and like literally wanted to kill themselves because they're in love with me. But their parents will disown them and that means more than me. I have had grown men. Literally, like it's really sad.

[Lauren Everts]

Is that interesting and sad and weird to see the process of someone who falls in love with you and then they have to come to terms with the fact that they can never let anyone know because there's Too much shame.

[Jeffree Star]

It's so awful. It's really heartbreaking to watch someone go through that. Honestly, what does that do to you? Well, I'm the case study. So what I was getting. What I was getting at is that from whether I was broke or not. Money has nothing to do with it. Right. I've traveled the world. I've been to countries where they'll stone you for being gay. Threesome.

[Lauren Everts]

Hey.

[Jeffree Star]

And no one cares. I was in Africa doing threesomes. They'll kill you there. No one cared.

[Lauren Everts]

Hold on, hold on. Wait.

[Jeffree Star]

Was that such a big statement? I was in Senegal, Africa, with the singer Akon, who was my manager. We never slept together. He. Akon, I love you, brother. He's in the 5%. He loves pussy.

[Lauren Everts]

He's in the 5%.

[Jeffree Star]

5%. Oh, yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Anyone else we can call out in the 5%? Taylor, are you in the 5%?

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, please.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, you're.

[Jeffree Star]

You are.

[Lauren Everts]

No, you can't think so.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, now you can't think so. You said it's true and now you're saying you think.

[Jeffree Star]

But have you. Have you ever been curious to experiment? No, not. Okay. What does that mean? If none of these cameras were rolling. Are you sexually attracted to me? Maybe.

[Lauren Everts]

What about.

[Jeffree Star]

I, I, I don't take it the wrong. Trust me. You can see my phone. Every rapper, every. Every artist you listen to on the Rad My mouth. But what I'm getting at is, and I will like to say this, I'm very. I'm very into health. Okay? I've never had an std. I'm very into health. So if a random dude on Instagram wants to go get tested or I'll pay for it. And then.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, so you, so you won't do anything until you see test results?

[Jeffree Star]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, can I go back to the three sum in Africa?

[Jeffree Star]

So that statement A Akon played in front of half a million people in Senegal, and he took me to Africa with his entire team. And they're like. And they're like, you know, don't. Don't do anything with guys in public. It's illegal. And I'm like, what do you mean? Whatever. And I'm like, 50 inch, pink hair, full tattoos. No one judged me. Everyone was really, really cool. And in the hotel, I did have a lot of fun with people. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Can you manage more than three?

[Jeffree Star]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

Like, how many is manageable?

[Jeffree Star]

Five. Five.

[Lauren Everts]

But after five, it's like, you're done.

[Jeffree Star]

Then you better be joining with some other girl. Yeah. Yeah. Do girls.

[Lauren Everts]

Do girls Stand a chance.

[Jeffree Star]

What do you mean by that?

[Lauren Everts]

With you?

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah, I like everything. Ah, yeah. So that's another misconception. I am not gay. I am just open and very me.

[Lauren Everts]

I love that, though. It's like just.

[Jeffree Star]

I don't like the term. I mean, there's obviously a lot of gay people out there that only like a certain thing. That's great. Lgb is it Q and T? Get off the Alphabet, sweetie. You should be in your own category. Okay, let me break it down for you. Straights, lesbian, gay, and bi. Is that not a sexuality?

[Michael Bostic]

That's a sexuality.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Jeffree Star]

Right.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Jeffree Star]

Your. What you think your identity is has nothing to do with what you're sexually attracted to. So why is T and Q on lgbt? And what I. That means lgb, gay, lesbian, and bi. That is your preference of who you are attracted to and what you like. Your identity issues and who you think you are is so separate. I don't agree that they should be together.

[Lauren Everts]

I think it's interesting.

[Jeffree Star]

I think it should be its own thing. Is everyone straight here?

[Michael Bostic]

Do you think. Do you think all of that being lumped in together causes a disservice to. To all of the messages?

[Jeffree Star]

Because we. Because those. Yes. And I. And I vocalize this after I went on Piers Morgan and Twitter. Got it. They were like, yeah. Yes. And so many straight people were like, thank you for saying this. I was afraid of being canceled for ever saying that. Why is that a. It's an opinion.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, Michael, it's not a negative. I want you to give your take on this because you have something interesting.

[Michael Bostic]

No, I don't have. Well, I don't know if I have something interesting. I just think it's really confusing to people to change the goal posts and the rules every six months or that part.

[Jeffree Star]

And you're. And. And all y' all are expecting all the terms.

[Michael Bostic]

Listen, I was terrible in school. I need to find study book to figure all this stuff out all the time.

[Jeffree Star]

I was.

[Michael Bostic]

Even when we were doing the prep, I'm like, what do you. Like what do you even say and do? Because you don't want to offend somebody. You want to be nice to people. I think everybody wants to be respectful.

[Lauren Everts]

Everyone wants to get it right.

[Jeffree Star]

So the statistics from the government, not my own brain, is that during the pandemic, a lot of this behavior started a lot of identity crisis is people not knowing who the they are or being influenced by tv. Tick tock, who knows? And now the spike is really different and people are coming back to earth.

[Lauren Everts]

Is it because everyone was locked indoors?

[Michael Bostic]

Well, I think it took the. I think it took a few people, maybe yourself included, standing up and just being like, listen, this is getting to be absurd.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah, it's not.

[Michael Bostic]

And it's unfair to take the majority of the population and obligate them to fully change how humans have thought for thousands of years. Again, nobody's.

[Jeffree Star]

It started when the first person and we as a society let them. I'm. They, okay, and what the does that mean? You don't, you don't. Five years ago, we would not be able to have this discussion that everyone would have a meltdown. But why? You're a they and them. Okay, got it.

[Lauren Everts]

So what you're saying is to be more context around it.

[Michael Bostic]

The absurdity is what are you.

[Jeffree Star]

Are you saying you can only be a. A man, a woman, or trans?

[Michael Bostic]

The absurdity is that dopes like us would sit there and be like, uh huh, yes, I understand. I have no fucking idea. I was sitting there just nodding my head saying that part.

[Jeffree Star]

And then all of you in this room are expected to know every label of some. I'm a bird now. No, you're a fucking female. Shut up.

[Lauren Everts]

So when you say this, what's the pushback that you get?

[Jeffree Star]

It was like, I don't know, it was just very bizarre. But most people, People got it and they were happy that someone who is a male that just does whatever the they want and does look feminine is saying it. A lot of the straight community were very afraid to tiptoe around that.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know what to say.

[Jeffree Star]

Yes.

[Michael Bostic]

You know, it reminded me of, you know that game operation where you like, try to pull the wishbone?

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

I felt like, okay, you're like going in and if you say like, you get like, yeah, literally get out. Shut the showdown. Like, you know, we don't know.

[Jeffree Star]

They tried to complicate everything and expect the world to agree and play into this. The.

[Lauren Everts]

I want to know what you're like at home on your day off with the yak.

[Jeffree Star]

Boring as.

[Lauren Everts]

So, yeah, is. Are you like, no makeup, like cash? Like what are you like.

[Jeffree Star]

My issue is I work a lot. So, you know, we. We quit YouTube, we stream and we use TikTok as a very big vessel now. I am one of the biggest streamers on Tik Tok in America. I have one of the biggest, if not one of the biggest teams of the whole app.

[Lauren Everts]

What does that mean when you say you're. I don't like, do you. So you have a Team running your. Your.

[Jeffree Star]

No, no, no, no. My team mean my audience, my customers.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, so. So h. What is it?

[Jeffree Star]

The Star Fam baby.

[Lauren Everts]

Is it just going live? What do you mean by stream? Is that what that means?

[Jeffree Star]

Yes. So you. So you click the live button, okay. And Tik Tok has evolved very quickly. They're genius. So you can go live and do anything you can. So a lot of streamers, unfortunately, they do one thing. They sit behind a backdrop and they hang out. And there's. There's something called battling, where you can battle another creator and your audience throws gifts that are equal. Money. And whoever has the most points, which is money, you win. Huh? Whether you win or lose, you still get the other, you know, the money. But it's like battling is this really big TikTok thing.

[Lauren Everts]

Got it.

[Jeffree Star]

I go. I do that sometimes, and it's fine. I. Let's say I'm bored in Wyoming and there's a snowstorm. Clicking that button. I could banter and see. That's the thing is I'm good at, like, turning up the character. Like, you're meeting me. You're meeting me.

[Lauren Everts]

We noticed, right?

[Jeffree Star]

You're meeting me, and this is who I am all day. But when you're bantering and someone comes on the screen, the comedic Jeffrey comes out and I'm fucking vicious, and they love it.

[Lauren Everts]

But you aren't. To me, you're not mean.

[Jeffree Star]

No, but I can be to, like idiots.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Jeffree Star]

Like, not normal. You know what I mean?

[Lauren Everts]

Like, yeah, but I feel like you. There's a warmth about you.

[Jeffree Star]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

Like, I think that you should do. Do you have a podcast?

[Jeffree Star]

No, I've been. I've been offered one. We've talked about it.

[Lauren Everts]

I think you should.

[Jeffree Star]

It's hard to balance at all.

[Lauren Everts]

Yakking with Jeffrey.

[Jeffree Star]

I want to be the new. I want to be the new loveline.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes. Like, you know what? I think that I want to take.

[Jeffree Star]

Calls and give advice. Right now. You want to do anal bag? Better click. Let me go. Let's talk about it.

[Lauren Everts]

How do you do anal? If someone's listening and wants to do it better.

[Jeffree Star]

Oh, God. Right now?

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Jeffree Star]

See? Are you married?

[Lauren Everts]

No.

[Jeffree Star]

Exactly. So what I get from girls is he just tried to put it in. You have to ease it in. Eat the ass, you said. What are you talking about? You just tried to stuck it in.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. You can't just stick it in.

[Jeffree Star]

What? Dude thinks that's normal. That's, like, so weird.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, it is weird. It's so weird.

[Jeffree Star]

He just tried to Shove it in. I. I don't. A lot of my girlfriends say that. And I'm like, what, are you kidding me? Send him over to my house for a night. I'll give him a class, you know. But when I'm having a day off and I don't live stream, I like to be grounded. Which may sound very strange in this last hour to sit in the middle of an open pasture. Feet on the ground. No shoes. We're not supposed to really be wearing shoes. Our feet are not supposed to be crammed in. We're not supposed to be wearing rugs. Harbor. They've killed all spirituality on this whole planet. Hi. Wanna go there, please? Feet on the ground.

[Lauren Everts]

Agreed.

[Jeffree Star]

Hi. That was the real term.

[Lauren Everts]

Feet on the ground. Grounding earth.

[Jeffree Star]

The government has done everything to unground us. They've poisoned the water, poisoned all the food, made everyone dumb. What? Why aren't we. I'm sungazing at the crack of dawn. Sorry that y' all are.

[Michael Bostic]

This new administration said they're gonna get rid of daylight savings.

[Jeffree Star]

I hope it's ridiculous.

[Michael Bostic]

It is. It is.

[Jeffree Star]

In Wyoming, it's all of a sudden dark at 4pm next month. Can't wait. They want you depressed indoors. Dark. Blackout. No.

[Lauren Everts]

So you like to ground and there's a spiritual side of you that people are missing when you're online. Yeah. I find that interesting and it makes so much sense because I think you have to be such a high performer and so on and everything is so optimized and you're so intense. And it doesn't surprise me that the other side of that is a completely different situation.

[Jeffree Star]

Yep. Just to be in a pasture and hang out and just sit there and let the wind blow and the sun on my face and just hang out with my animals and just put out a blanket and the yaks and count. You know, they just sit next to me and we just all hang out and reading a book. People don't read anymore. It's so sad. Everyone on their Kindles who actually. I like to read a real book with pages that I can turn.

[Lauren Everts]

What's your favorite books that you've read? What's. What's Jeffrey approved?

[Jeffree Star]

I'm really, unfortunately into the really fucked up memoirs like. Like people that have survived like the craziest drug addictions. Like. What's that one? A Million Pieces.

[Lauren Everts]

I love that book.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah. Whether that was. Maybe came out that a little bit of it was false. It's a book. Right. But like, I love people that overcome triumph and addiction and eating disorders. And, you know, all that type of stuff. I found it very fascinating when I was younger because my family could never really escape the addiction. And I was just like, I always wanted to fix everybody, but I was so young and didn't understand it at the time, you know?

[Lauren Everts]

So it's. It's almost, like, therapeutic to probably read it.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah. But I also love fiction. Like, I really do love Stephen King. I love horror. I love that type of stuff. I like reading, you know, things that have really, like, depth to it.

[Lauren Everts]

Would you ever be monogamous and be.

[Jeffree Star]

What's that mean?

[Lauren Everts]

Like, just one person? Like, would you ever be just one.

[Michael Bostic]

Just one. Be with just one person, just one.

[Lauren Everts]

For the rest of your life?

[Jeffree Star]

That's an option.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't know. I'm. I don't. I. I actually have no sort of, like, take on that. I'm just saying for you, here's my answer.

[Jeffree Star]

Answer. I haven't met the person to make me feel like that.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Jeffree Star]

I've been in love once.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Jeffree Star]

Was monogamous, had a beautiful relationship, but currently with the state. So when I was in my five year, I almost call it like a marriage. I. When we broke up, which was about, oh, my gosh, like, six years now. Right. I never. I've still never been on a dating app. I've never downloaded an app, whether it's straight or gay. I know what Grindr is. I know what Bumble is. I know what all these things are. I don't. You can literally look on my phone. I have. I have never been on those apps.

[Lauren Everts]

You have DMs.

[Jeffree Star]

But any but celebrity people still go on dating apps. They like to see what's on there. I've never been on one. So when my serious relationship where I was in love ended, the dating world was so different. And now it's. Oh, girl, it's dark.

[Lauren Everts]

Why is it dark?

[Jeffree Star]

I think that 99% of people cheat and they have this now. So the old days, couples would fight and have conversations or, like, move on. Like, now it's like, oh, I'm gonna open up, up a. I'm gonna go get my fix. And here's 10 women that want to me while my wife's mad at me. I'm gonna. Whether it's sending a picture or sending a text, all of it's cheating. You don't have to have sexual intercourse to cheat. You're sending a dick picture. You're cheating.

[Lauren Everts]

Agreed.

[Jeffree Star]

You're entertaining someone else's feelings. You're cheating.

[Lauren Everts]

And also, like, work on the dick picture, too. If you're gonna send a dick picture.

[Jeffree Star]

I got great ones from guys. I only get the best I've never got.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't get bad ones to a great dick pic.

[Jeffree Star]

I don't know. I mean, why do you need to know?

[Lauren Everts]

I'm just wondering, like, she's a female.

[Jeffree Star]

She can be curious.

[Lauren Everts]

I would like you to, like, I could get a dick pic at work from you. Like, put some good light on it.

[Michael Bostic]

I feel like you got to get the angle right.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, see, but if you're married and.

[Jeffree Star]

She already knows how big it is, you don't need the angle.

[Michael Bostic]

But I mean, like, when you're taking a picture like, you don't want to, there's a lot of wrong ways.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I don't want to see it all limp in the shower.

[Jeffree Star]

I don't. Sometimes I don't mind a limp moment if it's like a cute candid. But I like. Hey, thinking.

[Lauren Everts]

So many social clips from this podcast. I don't even know what to say.

[Jeffree Star]

You know what? It's just I've taken a lot of risque pictures that no one's ever seen. Oh. Like huge in my mouth. And private jets, and the pilot takes the picture, like, all that type of stuff. Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Who's flying the plane?

[Jeffree Star]

Well, there's two. There's two. Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

It's like, hold on, Bill, if I.

[Jeffree Star]

Get your permission later, I'll show her a couple.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

I would love to see one.

[Michael Bostic]

You have my permission.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm a connoisseur.

[Jeffree Star]

I am. I'm a dick connoisseur. Oh, my God. God. Same. Yeah. So you know 5% of the world straight.

[Michael Bostic]

I've learned a lot on this.

[Lauren Everts]

Before you go, what's something that you want the audience to know? It could be about your business, about you, about your TikTok. Give us something that you just want everyone to know.

[Jeffree Star]

I want people, and this isn't even about me right now. I want people to be more kind to themselves. From being online for so long, there's so many people who don't like themselves or really insecure. A lot of my number one question is, how do you get confidence? And I don't know how to answer that. I was just woke up one day and didn't give a fuck in high school. I just. My brain, just, like I said, it just clicked and I never looked back. So I wish people would be less harsh on themselves. I wish they would not care what a stranger thought about them. I don't know how we got To a point in society where a stranger saying you're ugly validates anything. It's just a very bizarre world we live in.

[Lauren Everts]

That's a good one. That's a very good one. This episode had a lot of range. In fact, I'm gonna vote that this episode had maybe the most range ever.

[Michael Bostic]

I love that we did like, it is gonna be a challenge titling this one and coming up with the description of the episode.

[Lauren Everts]

But I feel like it went everywhere.

[Michael Bostic]

It was warm Colorado campfire with Jeffree Star.

[Jeffree Star]

No one knows what that means except my audience. I'll give you it.

[Lauren Everts]

Everyone already follows you, but where can everyone find you? Shop your products? Can we do a giveaway? Can we do a code? We didn't even ask, but is that okay?

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah, I would love to do a code. It would be my honor. Jeffree star cosmetics.com is the main driver. TikTok shop is always open on my page.

[Lauren Everts]

Can we buy the meat too?

[Jeffree Star]

Yes, you can.

[Lauren Everts]

It's on the shop.

[Jeffree Star]

So on TikTok you can buy the. The jerky and the snack sticks.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Jeffree Star]

If you want frozen meat. And when you guys are settled in Texas, this, let someone know and I'll send you guys a big. I've never had yak dry ice, like package of like steaks and brats and burger. That's very nice. And I'll. I'll give you guys a couple things to make. You can make anything with yak. I mean, the burger is so great. You can do meatballs. You can do, obviously, hamburgers.

[Michael Bostic]

What does it taste like compared to, like, beef steak?

[Jeffree Star]

He told you it's more sweeter. Yeah, it's more sweeter. Really healthy, not gamey at all. And I haven't even mentioned this yet. I'm in seven. Seven restaurants in Wyoming. Wow. Isn't that cool? So you can get the famous Jeffree Star yak burger at the Branding Iron. Anyone passing through Wyoming, you can get. There's a place called Tacos Mexico from San Diego. They moved to Wyoming 25 years ago with all their famous recipes. You can do the yak barrier. You can do the tacos, you can do the quesadilla with the yak meat. So there's a lot of cool places in town. So when I do events and meet and greets in Casper, people from all over come and it's really beautiful for the economy of me. All the restaurants are filled. I've done videos at all the restaurants showing off the food and giving everyone their flowers. And I just. It's just so fun out there. I love it.

[Lauren Everts]

I cannot wait to arrive home to Jeffrey's brats.

[Jeffree Star]

Yeah, Jeffrey's meat.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, so where can we use Code Skinny for? Okay, we can use code skinny for 20% off. Go shop all the things. What is the number one makeup that they should try? What if they can pick one?

[Jeffree Star]

If you're really into makeup, the velour liquid lipsticks is what I built this entire brand off of.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Jeffree Star]

My famous lip scrubs are really great, but we also have so many new things, and I just can't wait for everyone to experience it. So whether you love skincare or color cosmetics, we have it all. So if you go to jeffreestarcosmetics.com when you're checking out, use Code Skinny and you will get 20% off.