Kelly Stafford On How To Overcome Adversity, Develop Resilience, & Manage Life In The NFL

Summary

Podcast Summary: Kelly Stafford On How To Overcome Adversity, Develop Resilience, & Manage Life In The NFL

Introduction

In this compelling episode of The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast, hosts Lauryn Everts and Michael Bostick welcome Kelly Stafford, a dynamic podcast host, health advocate, media personality, mother of four daughters, and wife to NFL quarterback Matthew Stafford. Kelly opens up candidly about her personal journey, tackling significant adversities, and balancing the multifaceted roles in her life.

Kelly Stafford’s Journey and Personal Struggles

Kelly begins by sharing her profound experiences with In Vitro Fertilization (IVF) and her battle with a brain tumor. She emphasizes the emotional turmoil and societal pressures that come with these challenges.

“I opened up about going through IVF when I was in Michigan. Matthew and I had tried for, I don't know, it's a year and a half. We knew we were going to have trouble based on some stuff that was going on with me.” ([10:46])

She discusses the unexpected emotional weight of IVF, highlighting how it diverged from her initial expectations of joy and fulfillment.

Overcoming Adversity: Battling a Brain Tumor

Kelly delves into her diagnosis of an acoustic neuroma, a type of brain tumor, and the subsequent surgery she underwent. She recounts the physical and emotional challenges that followed, including relearning to walk and managing the lasting effects on her balance and hearing.

“I had to relearn to walk... once you learn it, you learn it, but you gotta take the time to do it.” ([44:33])

Her resilience shines through as she describes her recovery process and the ongoing impact of her surgery on her daily life.

Navigating Postpartum Depression and Mental Health

Kelly openly discusses her struggle with postpartum depression, a topic often stigmatized and overlooked. She reflects on the societal expectation to feel perpetually happy after childbirth and the internal conflict of experiencing both joy and depression simultaneously.

“You can simultaneously be so happy that you have this beautiful, healthy child, but also be struggling with something at the same time.” ([33:03])

She credits therapy as a crucial tool in her healing journey, emphasizing the importance of having someone to listen without judgment.

“I believe therapists know how to get to the bottom of things. And so that's where I found myself again, in a way.” ([25:09])

Balancing Family, Entrepreneurship, and Personal Identity

As a mother of four and an entrepreneur, Kelly shares her strategies for managing time and maintaining her identity outside of her roles as a wife and mother. She highlights the importance of prioritizing tasks and avoiding the pitfalls of multitasking.

“We have to be really strategic with our productivity.” ([06:52])

Kelly also speaks about her entrepreneurial ventures, including her podcast “Own Your Worth,” which serves as a platform for sharing honest conversations about personal struggles and growth.

“I feel like people think I have my shit together... I’m very honest about not having it together.” ([75:11])

Insights on Relationships and Communication

The discussion extends to the dynamics of her marriage with Matthew Stafford, an NFL quarterback. Kelly emphasizes the significance of mutual support and understanding in navigating the unique pressures that come with being married to a professional athlete.

“We always try to go back to being grateful for each other and what we have.” ([04:08])

She highlights the subtle yet critical role she plays in decision-making within their relationship, often acting as the compass that guides their joint decisions.

“The wife is the compass.” ([23:16])

The Pressures and Dynamics of Being a WAG

Kelly provides an insider’s perspective on the life of a WAG (wives and girlfriends of sports players), detailing the complexities and social dynamics involved. She candidly shares her experiences of maintaining friendships within this sphere and the challenges of balancing personal life with public perception.

“I have had a lot of experiences to pull from. I've been a WAG for 16 years.” ([48:07])

Kelly underscores the importance of not losing oneself amidst societal expectations and the influence of social media.

“Don’t lose yourself because you’re cheering for the guy.” ([53:02])

Coping Strategies and Personal Growth

Throughout the conversation, Kelly offers valuable coping mechanisms for dealing with stress and adversity. She advocates for open communication, setting personal boundaries, and prioritizing mental health.

“Talking to somebody, it took me a little bit... I just really needed someone to listen and not judge.” ([25:09])

Her approach to personal growth involves embracing vulnerability and finding strength in acknowledging one's struggles.

Key Takeaways and Conclusions

Kelly Stafford's narrative is a testament to resilience and the power of self-awareness. Her journey through IVF, battling a brain tumor, and overcoming postpartum depression illustrates the multifaceted nature of personal adversity. By prioritizing mental health, maintaining open communication within her marriage, and striving to balance her professional and personal life, Kelly demonstrates how to navigate complex challenges with grace and strength.

“You are somebody’s something. I really just wanted to have something for myself.” ([09:07])

Her insights offer listeners tangible takeaways on overcoming adversity, developing resilience, and managing life’s demands—especially within the high-pressure environment of the NFL.

Notable Quotes:

1. “You can simultaneously be so happy that you have this beautiful, healthy child, but also be struggling with something at the same time.” – Kelly Stafford ([33:03])
2. “Don't lose yourself because you’re cheering for the guy.” – Kelly Stafford ([53:02])
3. “Talking to somebody, it took me a little bit... I just really needed someone to listen and not judge.” – Kelly Stafford ([25:09])
4. “The wife is the compass.” – Kelly Stafford ([23:16])

Final Thoughts

Kelly Stafford’s episode is a profound exploration of personal adversity, resilience, and the intricate balance of family and professional life. Her honest and unfiltered conversations provide listeners with relatable experiences and actionable advice, making it a must-listen for anyone seeking inspiration and practical insights on enhancing their own lives.

Transcript

[Michael Bostick]

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[Kelly Stafford]

This episode is brought to you by the Skinny Confidential. Go run to my Instagram page, Auren Bostick, and join the wait list because we are launching a new product next week and you are going to freak. I'm obsessed with what we're launching. It's literally 10 years in the making. You can go to Hiskinny Confidential on Instagram to take a sneak peek or head to my Instagram Aurenbostick. And in the meantime, you can also shop mouth tape, the Rolls Royce device rollers, and the facial [e-mail] She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Lauren Everts]

Fantastic.

[Michael Bostick]

And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostick are bringing you along for the ride.

[Kelly Stafford]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Michael Bostick]

Welcome to the Skinny Confidential. Him and her.

[Lauren Everts]

Aha. It was a lot thrown at me and I still think this is true. Like, my life needed it. I needed a pause, I needed like a slow down situation. Really focus on me because that had been the last thing on my mind for a long time. And I truly think it helped my marriage. It helped our family become like, strong. And we always come back to it. You know, if things are tough and. Or if we're struggling, we always kind of sit down and just say, all right, things could be worse things and. Right, everything could always be worse. Things could be you know, anyways. But we always try and go back to it in that time, just be like, we're so grateful for each other and what we have and the family we have, even though sometimes it's really hard.

[Kelly Stafford]

Kelly Stafford, podcast host, health advocate, media personality, mother of four daughters, and wife to NFL quarterback Matthew Stafford. If you're unfamiliar with Kelly, she's known for her candid approach to life, which you will get in this episode. On this show, she opens up about her experiences with ivf, her battle with a brain tumor, navigating postpartum identities, balancing family dynamics as a busy mom, entrepreneurship, and being a partner to an NFL superstar. What I personally took from this episode, though, is that she has done such a good job of standing on her own two feet as an independent woman. She has really forged the way, in my opinion, for a lot of women. I think that she really shines bright and you'll see her talk about that journey and what it sort of took to get there with that. Kelly Stafford, welcome to the him and her show.

[Michael Bostick]

This is the Skinny Confidential. Him and Her.

[Kelly Stafford]

I selfishly wanted you on the show because I think that it seems like you balance everything that you have going on so elegantly. Oh, four young girls, a wife to an NFL qb. You have your own podcast, owning your worth. And also, you said that you're on tour and you're managing to show up on social media and look hot while doing it. What is the secrets? What is the secret medicine?

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, no. I appreciate you saying that. It looks like I handle it well and balance things, but I truly don't. I mean, I'm like everyone else. I. To be honest, the tour is a lot. I didn't think it was going to be, but I am really ready for it to be over. So we have one last show in December, and then other than that, I will say I wouldn't have done this when my kids were younger. Like, they've gotten to an age where, you know, they can shower themselves. My older ones can help the little one shower, so. So that's gotten easier. I have a little more time on my hands, but I'm still struggling to juggle it all. I feel like my husband kind of's taking a backseat, which I hate doing, because obviously marriage is important, but that is. He's like my last. Are you good? Which is not great, but it's what it is right now.

[Kelly Stafford]

It's a season.

[Lauren Everts]

It's a season. It is the season right now, and it's. You know. You know, one of my podcasts will stop after the season. I believe it's timeout, and it's based on football, so that one will kind of. We'll take a little break from that, so that will be helpful. And obviously, him being done when. With the off season, it's a little more time for us to reconnect. So I'm just kind of waiting till that to happen.

[Kelly Stafford]

Is there, like, a finesse that happens? Meaning, like, you know when to, like. Like, you can't upset him at a certain time. Like, is there, like a. I feel like there. There's. There'd be a dance if you're strategic.

[Lauren Everts]

There definitely is.

[Michael Bostick]

You must not be very strategic, Lauren.

[Kelly Stafford]

No. When he's stressed, I'm like, put his face in a notice.

[Lauren Everts]

I mean, honestly, he does a really good job of kind of disconnecting from what's stressing him, which is usually work football when he comes home. And now having four little girls, that really helps to just take his mind off of a lot of things that are stressing him out. With me, I mean, I just kind of. I don't tiptoe But I do when I see him very stressed, I try not to pile it on because I. I would say at the beginning, when we didn't have kids, I would pile it on being like, it's just football. Like, I would just, you know, give him all my stress. Anything that went wrong, I was like, you need to help me. Turns out that does not work. So I've learned to kind of just pick my battles when it comes to not, like, fighting, but just, hey, I need help with this more than. Okay, maybe I can continue to discipline this child for right now. But sometimes, like, I need your help. I need you to do this because this child's not listening. During the season, it's. There's less of that just because.

[Michael Bostick]

Get your pen out and write all this down.

[Kelly Stafford]

I have a honey do list scroll in my head, but it's like a honey do priorities list.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

And I. I do something similar. I give you the main priority that I need done, and then I'll go to the next thing. I only give you one thing at once. You can. They can't handle more than once.

[Lauren Everts]

No multitasking.

[Kelly Stafford]

It's not an octopus. Let's put it that way.

[Lauren Everts]

No.

[Michael Bostick]

I read a book. It says it's not good to multitask because if you try to multitask that you're less effective.

[Kelly Stafford]

Well, good. Cause you can't do it. Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

Right now, I don't think we have a choice.

[Kelly Stafford]

No, we don't have to multitask.

[Michael Bostick]

No, it's true. Especially, you know, it's funny, we have friends. Like, half of our friends have children, and the other half are still running around without children.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

Everybody's got issues. But whenever I hear the ones without the children telling me how busy and stressed they are, I'm like, you just wait, buddy.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

Because one thing I think about all the time is like, we've gotten so much better with our time ever since we've had the kids. Because you're basically forced to. When I hear these, some of my guy friends saying, like, how stressed they're. I'm like, buddy, you were just out all weekend at the bar, hanging out. Like, you can't be stressed. I don't think I'll do that.

[Kelly Stafford]

I have a friend that has a five hour routine in the morning. A five hour routine. He wakes up at five.

[Michael Bostick]

Like, I meditate this, I do that. I'm like, that's gone once you start.

[Lauren Everts]

God, that sounds amazing. I would love to have that.

[Kelly Stafford]

Don't you feel like minutes? Don't you feel like the more kids you have, like I said, you have four. You have to find. Be really strategic with your productivity.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, yes. Like, I. When I go to bed and I feel like it helps. I don't sleep unless I can put a to do list for the next day of like, okay, this is what I'm gonna get done while they're at school. Their school is really short in California. I don't know if that's a California thing, but they get out literally at 1 and 2.

[Michael Bostick]

That's nor. That's like what we have in Texas too.

[Lauren Everts]

That's normal.

[Kelly Stafford]

No, her kids are older. That's not normal. Michael in Cal. What do you mean? Her kids are 7?

[Michael Bostick]

What time when they're that age? Cause what is that, first grade or second grade?

[Lauren Everts]

Second.

[Kelly Stafford]

I could use a good three.

[Lauren Everts]

What happened to eight to three? Yeah, wasn't that.

[Kelly Stafford]

Is that what. Years ago.

[Michael Bostick]

That's what we did. I figured. I thought it was just a kindergarten or a young kid thing where you get out.

[Kelly Stafford]

Her kids aren't in kindergarten.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, none of them. I. Well, I have a tk, but yeah, they. They're out very early. So I really do have to plan when I'm doing things now with Christmas here, it's like, when do I wrap their gifts? Well, okay, we have this amount of time to. I don't know, I just have to write everything down before I go to bed and kind of try to plan it out.

[Kelly Stafford]

Do you have, like a psycho schedule?

[Lauren Everts]

Depends on the day, but it is. I mean, podcast days are longer, and I always try to put something in there for myself. I love to play tennis workouts. Like, that's my thing with holidays coming. It's gotten less and less of things for me and more for, you know, everybody else, which is what the holidays are.

[Kelly Stafford]

You got to just get over to January. The best day or the best week, I should say, of the year is the second through the eighth. Because everyone. Everyone has collectively decided of the undertone of. They're gonna just stop. Stop with the text.

[Michael Bostick]

January 2nd.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

No, watch.

[Kelly Stafford]

Wrong.

[Michael Bostick]

What do you mean? People are, like, ready to go.

[Kelly Stafford]

You will see. People are in hibernation from the 2nd to the 8th. Watch it. It's always when I do the most self reflection.

[Michael Bostick]

It's the 27th to the second.

[Kelly Stafford]

I disagree.

[Lauren Everts]

Right after Christmas.

[Michael Bostick]

That's when people calm down.

[Lauren Everts]

No, because your kids are still home.

[Kelly Stafford]

No, no, no, no.

[Lauren Everts]

Wrong.

[Michael Bostick]

That's true.

[Kelly Stafford]

Second to the eighth. Trust me.

[Lauren Everts]

I feel like I can't do it until my Kids go back to school, which I think is around that time.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, they go back to school and you have a little bit of space, and there's not 100 emails. Watch.

[Michael Bostick]

Everyone makes the resolutions.

[Kelly Stafford]

I love the. My favorite day is the third. Everyone's just asleep. It's like Rip Van Winkle.

[Michael Bostick]

I'm telling you, I'm going to watch it this year.

[Lauren Everts]

Is that when everyone realizes that their New Year's resolutions are not going to happen? It's the third. Like the sec first and. Or the second, they're like, all right, here we go. And the third, they're like, this is going to be hard.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

I think it's the 8th or the 9th.

[Lauren Everts]

You think it's that far? That's a man.

[Michael Bostick]

I think they try. They go for a minute and then.

[Lauren Everts]

They'Re like, nope, I fail very quickly on mine, and it's horrible.

[Kelly Stafford]

But have you always been this entrepreneurial and multifaceted? I mean, it's almost like you could kind of relax and eat bonbons and you don't.

[Lauren Everts]

I've always wanted more for myself than to just be someone's wife. Huh. And that's really what I was for a long time. I mean, I was the girlfriend, the fiance, then the wife, and I went to nursing school. Thought that was gonna be, you know, what I loved? Turns out it wasn't. I did it for like a year after and was like, this is not my thing. Had my kids, and then all of a sudden, I was somebody's mom. So I was always somebody's something, and I really just wanted to have something for myself. Yeah, I knew I was good at talking, even though I suck at the English language, but I felt like I could storytell and podcasting I didn't really know much about until I moved to la. And that's when I kind of got into it, and I said, well, it's a new start for my husband and my family. Might as well make it a new start for me, too. And I've loved it. It's given me an avenue that's mine now. It's gotten me in trouble a bunch, too, but. But what do you get in trouble for? No, you know, just things I say that hit the media, which is often.

[Kelly Stafford]

But can you give us an example of what you're talking about?

[Lauren Everts]

Well, like, last year, I think it was. I don't. This was the worst one I've done because it affected a locker room. I was telling. Talking about how kid. Like, this generation is different. My husband's been in the league for a really long time, and they didn't have social media when he first entered. And so no one was checking their phones or no one was on their phone all the time. And now, you know, everybody is. We are. Everybody has their phone in their hand. And so I just said, you know, sometimes it's hard, I feel like, to connect people because people are on their phones. And that hit the media as my husband wasn't connecting with his teammates and things like that. So they.

[Kelly Stafford]

So they manipulated it.

[Lauren Everts]

They manipulate it, which they always do. But everyone just reads headlines.

[Michael Bostick]

Well, I thought it was gonna be way worse than that.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, there's been other ones, but I'd rather not discuss those because it's funny.

[Michael Bostick]

Because I think because of what he does, everyone's just looking for. It's always interesting when we have certain people that have high profiles come on the show, what they'll pull, like, one person, I won't say who it was, but they came with like, oh, I slept in the bed with my child. And it was like, Somebody Rapid fired 80 publications that she sleeps with the child. I'm like, if this was any other parent, and nobody would give a shit. And honestly, why does anyone give a shit? It's just because it was that person.

[Lauren Everts]

No. And I'm sure a lot of people can relate to that.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. A lot of these patients, they're struggling. They're looking for anything.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. And I hope that's what it. But there's been quite a few, so I have to somewhat watch what I say. You know, there's certain things on my podcast that I won't talk about, and that's basically like, our, you know, certain parts of our life that I won't discuss. Other than that, like, I've. I've loved having it, and there's been a few times where it's been as bad, where I'm like, I just want to stop everything. I don't want to put my family out there anymore because I'm very real and vulnerable on my podcast, and I'm okay with that. But I do feel like sometimes it gets to the point where maybe my daughters, when they grow up, they're like, I don't want this following me.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

So I've stopped using names, but stories, it's hard because that's about being a parent, is talking about maybe the best and worst parts of your day with your child. And that's a lot about what my podcast is. So it's hard to take them completely out of it. But I've like, tried to stop using names. Tried to stop, you know, telling stories without divulging too much.

[Kelly Stafford]

I think that's great. It's like they're the supporting characters. Yeah. I like saying my kids are extras on my Instagram story. They're not. I'm not, like, following them to the bathroom. So you can see how I potty train them. Yeah. Like, it's just not that. That's not. I'm not the right follower for that.

[Lauren Everts]

Neither am I. And turns out I suck at potty training, so there's that.

[Kelly Stafford]

I did, actually. I just found this out. I did lazy potty training. I didn't know that I was doing it, but that's what it's called.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, there's a term. What does that mean?

[Kelly Stafford]

There's a term. We just. Just let them do, like, nothing. What do we do? Well, I feel like we just kind of like we're going to try to take the diaper off and then we hit the toilet and it was. But you just do it over time.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. Your first is a boy, girl, girl.

[Kelly Stafford]

There's no. There was no strategy. It was just like, let's try the toilet.

[Lauren Everts]

That's great, because I really did it. Horrible the first time. And it was two of them, and it backfired.

[Michael Bostick]

That's hard, though, too, at the same time.

[Lauren Everts]

And I pushed it and they weren't ready, and it backfired.

[Kelly Stafford]

What's the age you're supposed to do it?

[Lauren Everts]

It's supposedly. It's when the bladder muscle's ready and they'll tell you, they'll like you. There's dry diapers more often, I think. I'm not an expert by any means, but that's kind of what I've been told. And honestly, my third and fourth did it themselves.

[Kelly Stafford]

That's what I think. I think just let it be intuitively going with the flow, I guess. It's called lazy potty training.

[Lauren Everts]

I like that.

[Kelly Stafford]

I had a friend that, like, committed the whole weekend to doing it. She, like, was like, I'm gonna stay home and I'm gonna do. I was just like, might take a year.

[Lauren Everts]

And how did. And how did that go for her?

[Kelly Stafford]

She made it work. But let me tell you something. She makes everything work.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, there you go.

[Michael Bostick]

There was no choice.

[Kelly Stafford]

There's no choice. The kid didn't have a choice.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, and it turns out too, like, everybody knows, but all kids are different, so they're all gonna. We. I. I felt a lot of pressure because I had friends who were already potty training their kids and they were already potty trained. And I was like, we gotta get, we gotta get going. Yeah, this is. And then they were failing at it and I was like, what's happening? Which is hard. It's hard when you feel pressures around and then you're forcing your kids and it really backfires on you.

[Kelly Stafford]

You just can't look at anyone else's grass.

[Lauren Everts]

I know.

[Kelly Stafford]

It's just. It's just you almost can't like get in the game of the milestones and the.

[Lauren Everts]

It's.

[Kelly Stafford]

If my kids potty trained by 10, I'm good.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, Listen, everyone turns out, everyone gets potty trained.

[Kelly Stafford]

That's how my. I'm like, they're gonna walk.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

Eventually.

[Lauren Everts]

I didn't, I didn't crawl until I was 16.

[Michael Bostick]

I mean, you know, for the parents out there that are super excited to get their kids up and walking and moving, I'm like, I would take all the time.

[Lauren Everts]

I know you. Once they're gone, they're gone. Once they start moving. I know.

[Kelly Stafford]

I mean, honestly, you know, let them like take. Take their time.

[Lauren Everts]

How old is yalls? How old are Yalls kids?

[Kelly Stafford]

Four and two.

[Lauren Everts]

Four and two. And so you have a two year old little boy.

[Kelly Stafford]

Two year old boy.

[Lauren Everts]

What is that like?

[Kelly Stafford]

It's a lot of work.

[Michael Bostick]

Well, it's different than.

[Kelly Stafford]

I feel like they're wild.

[Michael Bostick]

I've observed that he's hurt all the time. And the other one will tell us the two times. Specifically the two times that she spilled. She'll be like, one time it was the coffee and one time it was the chia seed tea. Our son is.

[Kelly Stafford]

Hold on. But chia seed tea, like, let's. Chia seed tea. Let me tell you about squealing chia seed tea. Me. It's good for your digestion. Chia seeds. 6,000 spilled the tea all over the white bed frame. Tiny little ticks of chia seeds stuck. You know how chia seeds stick?

[Lauren Everts]

Like a, like a lip.

[Kelly Stafford]

Suctioned.

[Lauren Everts]

No.

[Kelly Stafford]

So that was like 20 spills in one.

[Lauren Everts]

Was that a, like repurpose? Like, did you repurpose that?

[Kelly Stafford]

I had to individually pick each chia seed. Like a piece of license. Oh, bad.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, but I mean, like our son just like he's always got bruises and he's always smashing into things and he's always falling down and like he's always bumping stuff. I mean, he spills everything. So it's just like a different. I don't know, it's just different.

[Lauren Everts]

That's what I mean, I. That's what I was wondering. Because every friend of mine that has a boy, they're wild. And I don't know if I. I thought I was gonna be a full boy, Mom. I really wanted all boys. Turns out I love my girls, so that's good. But Matthew wanted all girls, so he got what he wanted. But, like, it. I'm so grateful, looking around, because they are. They. They sit and they color. They. They're very. Just like. They're not crazy.

[Kelly Stafford]

Huh?

[Michael Bostick]

Months ago, if I would have said that they're different, I would have been cut off the air. They would just cancel my show.

[Kelly Stafford]

They're different.

[Michael Bostick]

How dare you?

[Kelly Stafford]

I hate to pick it up.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I will say I think girls are going to be tougher when they're older. So there's that.

[Michael Bostick]

When I was a kid, my mom, I was. I was always getting into trouble, and so she stopped my dad. She's like, okay, you're taking him. And then I take the two girls, and then, like, it flipped when they became teenagers. And she's like, there's a lot.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm hoping Matthew will take them when they're teenagers. Yeah, he's the guy retired, you know.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, put that. Put the elbow grease.

[Lauren Everts]

Your turn. Your turn.

[Kelly Stafford]

What's something that you have spoken on, on your own show that's really resonated with your audience?

[Lauren Everts]

I think just opening up about ivf, things that are imposter syndrome. Feeling like I don't deserve a lot that's been given and a lot that I have. But I would say those two things. I. I opened up about going through IVF when I was in Michigan. Matthew and I had tried for, I don't know, it's a year and a half. We knew we were going to have trouble based on some stuff that was going on with me. I didn't realize how intense IVF was and how emotional it can make you. And I felt like no one talked about it. Yeah, that one really resonated with a lot of people. It actually, I'm now a part of a charity called Chosen that we grant IVF cycles to people that can't afford it, which is something I'm really passionate about. And turns out so is the morning after crowd. And then the imposter syndrome. I mean, that was one of my most vulnerable podcast. I just kind of let it all out. Things that I've been feeling for years. Like I said, I mean, I wasn't my. I didn't feel like I was my own human for 10 years, being in Michigan.

[Michael Bostick]

What was like, the main reason for that?

[Lauren Everts]

Just because I was always Matthew Stafford's wife. I needed to sit down and be quiet. I don't need to do anything. Just take care of the house, take care of the kids. You're so blessed. And it's not that I wasn't. I know that I'm very blessed in this life, but there's something to feeling like your own individual.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. I imagine that's a very challenging dynamic when someone that you're married to has that size of a platform with that big of a fan base.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. And Detroit was tough because Detroit is all sports. So, like, we walked through it here is really nice. We blend in. No one really gives a shit. So it's kind of awesome. But in Detroit, it wasn't like that. And you would always feel like we would go to an event and we'd be talking, and I'd always. Or I'd be talking to somebody, and I'd always feel their eyes, like, waiting for their chance to get to Matthew, who was so. That was really tough because I'm also somebody who loves to communicate and be with people. And all of a sudden, they didn't want to talk, so I was just like, okay. So I shut down.

[Michael Bostick]

Well, the best thing about L. A. Is now everybody will do that with everyone.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. You're like. Well, you're not that interesting.

[Kelly Stafford]

So I call it the lily pad.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, they.

[Kelly Stafford]

They. Lily pad to. Yeah. Wait.

[Lauren Everts]

I love that.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, it's. It's. It's a distracted look in their eye.

[Michael Bostick]

We moved from here to Austin, and it's different there because, you know, there's just so many people, public people out here that you see all the time. So people are kind of desensitized to it.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

I can imagine. When you're in Detroit, it'd be challenging.

[Lauren Everts]

And what else is in Detroit besides athletes? I mean, Kid Rock, Eminem, that's really about it. So you stand out there.

[Kelly Stafford]

But you've done such a good job, I think, of carving out your own path. Like, you should be so proud of yourself. You've done, like, you sort of made your own way.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I appreciate that it took a lot of time. Like, I didn't know what I wanted to do or who I wanted to be for a long time. And that's part my own fault and part the fault of people always looking around me. But I have enjoyed being here, and I really enjoyed just having my own something, you know, Now I'm not just someone's mom or someone's wife. I'm also. And it's not what you do. We know that. But it just. It feels nice to contribute something. I have a hot tip, okay.

[Kelly Stafford]

For all men.

[Michael Bostick]

Why you look at me like. I just.

[Kelly Stafford]

This is a big hot tip. Listen up like this. When you are talking to a couple about business or you want someone to invest in, you look at the wife. The wife is the one that's making the decision. And she will do it subtly. She will say, that's not who I would work with. Pass the catch up. You have to look at the wife. And I have been around so many men in rooms with Michael where they don't even look at me because they're just focused on Michael and they don't realize, like, yeah, let me talk to you, Ben.

[Michael Bostick]

We did live in West Hollywood for a while.

[Kelly Stafford]

You know, the wife is such a decision maker in a very subtle way.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

And it's so interesting to me how a lot of men don't realize that. That they think they're talking to the head. The head's the wife.

[Lauren Everts]

I agree.

[Kelly Stafford]

Hate to break it to you.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. And Matthew even tell people that. He's like, I gotta talk to my wife first. It is very. And you know where I find it really apparent, too. Or what I would say is when waiters are serving or, like, asking for your order, and they are solely looking at everybody else but the wife. Or just that's how it feels. Whenever we sit down at a table, if the waiter comes to me first and ask for my. Now, I'm from the south, too. So that just for me, that's how I should happen. Order the food should come to the woman first. All those things. If they do that, I'm tipping like I'm going to be. And to be honest, I usually sign the bill anyways. So that's like. You're saying that. I'm like, yeah. When waiters come up and they just kind of just look at Matthew and they're like, huh? Or waitresses, same thing. And then they're like, and you. And they'll say, I'm like. And they'll look away. I'm going, well, are you listening? Or. So I agree with you. I'm on your. Because it is true that men tend to think that they run the show. Love you. But turns out usually the woman in the house does.

[Kelly Stafford]

The woman is the compass.

[Michael Bostick]

No, I'll get home. They make the decision with this great person. And Lauren's like, no, not them. I'm like, then it's Over.

[Lauren Everts]

Matthew reads people really well. I'm horrible at reading people, so that's actually flip for us. He's like, I'll be like, oh, my God, I met this really nice person. I'll say the name. He's like, oh, no. And then I'm like, no, they're great and I'll spend another day with them. I'm like, he was right.

[Kelly Stafford]

That's like you.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, you do that too.

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, yeah, Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

I think I'm.

[Lauren Everts]

Do we just. Are we too easy? Like first impressions? Like, that's why I say, is it easy to make a good first impression on me?

[Kelly Stafford]

I think that if you're married for a long time, there's one person that has the nose.

[Lauren Everts]

That's true.

[Kelly Stafford]

It's like a nose for bullshit.

[Lauren Everts]

That's true.

[Kelly Stafford]

You have more of the nose for that. But I make more of the decisions.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I think like, everybody has certain skill sets. I. I can.

[Kelly Stafford]

No, you think you're great at this.

[Michael Bostick]

No, no.

[Kelly Stafford]

Brag.

[Michael Bostick]

No, I. I think that I'm good at sussing out people's like, real intentions early. And if someone's a nice per. Like, right. I watch people. The way people treat other people. I'm very observant.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

Like if somebody comes into this studio and they're super nice to me and they're rude to any of the people that work in, I'm like, yeah, I don't like, I watch little kind of things like that or someone how, you know, just how they treat people in everyday. So I'll see. Sometimes because of what she does, I'll see people. I kind of behave a certain way and then not somewhere I'm like, oh, no, no, no.

[Lauren Everts]

Got it.

[Michael Bostick]

It's just like little thing people.

[Kelly Stafford]

People will tell you around me and my serving. Careful, careful.

[Lauren Everts]

Were you guys nice when you walked in?

[Kelly Stafford]

Yes. You were lovely. Both of you were lovely. Okay. You've talked about postpartum depression. I had the worst postpartum depression with my first. And that is something that obviously we know is not talked about. You've had four children. What did you find to be the best tool in your toolbox to help with that?

[Lauren Everts]

Is there a tool, I would say talking to somebody. It took me a little bit. I think I was so embarrassed because they tell you how happy you should be and you have this healthy baby. And it was actually after my third hunter that I had it. And it. There was nothing really that anyone could do in my immediate circle, like Matthew tried my parents Everyone, you know, tried to say things that they thought were going to be helpful or do things. Turns out I just really needed someone to listen and not judge. And I didn't think I could do that with the people around me. Not that I. They're not judgmental people, but it's just. You have this thought in your mind of saying, okay, I just had another beautiful baby, and they're healthy, and there's people that don't have healthy babies and they can't get pregnant. So I should be so, so happy. But I am not. Like, I am struggling. I don't want to get up. I love the baby, but I also want to hand her off a lot. And I don't think there's much wrong with that. Sometimes you need a break. But it got to the point where I was also failing to take care of my two older ones, and that that wasn't fair. They were about almost two and needed their mom. And so finally kind of got the courage to go talk to someone and that. And to be honest, I was so skeptical. I was like, this is not going to help. I don't want to be put on medicine. I don't. I didn't want to go down that route because I just was like, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. Turns out, went to this person and she was incredible. They just. I. I believe therapists know how to get to the bottom of things. And so that's where I found myself again, in a way. And I've actually carried that through la. Like, I've. I have a therapist here. I just think being able to get things out that you might not be able to. To the person even closest to you, Honestly, I feel like sometimes that's the hardest person to open up to because I felt. And again, I felt embarrassed. I was, you know, went through ivf, wanted kids so bad, got pregnant naturally at this one very quickly. And so I should be so happy. And it just. It was the complete opposite for me.

[Kelly Stafford]

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[Michael Bostick]

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[Kelly Stafford]

I think that's where it makes it worse though is that is that you have the postpartum depression or anxiety and then there's like shame that you, that you feel that way when you're supposed to be so happy. And what I've realized is you can simultaneously be so happy that you have this beautiful, healthy child, but also be struggling with something at the same time. For instance, with pregnancy. Whenever I've been pregnant, I'm so blessed and happy that I'm pregnant. But it's also shitty to get fat and cellulite and feel like a whale 100% and be waddling around and feel hormonal and grumpy and have food adversions. I just don't. You can have two things at once.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I agree. I feel like you can be happy while mourning something that you might have lost.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

And for me, I really struggle with my postpartum body. In fact, I would not get naked in front of Matthew for a long time. I was just embarrassed. I was so used to a certain body type of mine and all of a sudden that's out the door. And I had to realize, like looking back, it was, it's okay to feel bad about that. Like, I feel like society is like, oh, but you just had a baby. You look, you look so good. Like, don't worry about it. That's your, your scar. Like the scar of your child. And I'm going, yeah, I get that. But I'm also really struggling with what I look like. And as not solve as what's it when you're all about outside looks. This is where the English language is hard, superficial as that might sound. It's the truth. And so I was like, I have to be, I can be happy but also mourn the fact that I lost with my two first two babies, all of my freedom. I have two people to take care of.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

And that is what it is. And you can mourn that. You can mourn your body. It's going to be different for the rest of your life. And that's okay. But it's also okay to sit in that for a while and reflect on it and be like, okay, this is what it is now. But the fact that people tell you, don't worry about it. It's just your postpartum, like, you'll be fine. This is your new body. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is your new life. Well, let me. Give me a second to mourn my old life that I now don't have anymore.

[Kelly Stafford]

And I also think if you have intrusive thoughts in the postpartum fear, that's a whole. It's. You feel like you're going insane.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

[Michael Bostick]

Well, I'll just be honest, like. And be careful here, but like a lot of men, we just don't have any idea what the hell is happening or going on. She was going through it.

[Kelly Stafford]

Michael told me his hair hurt when he was. When I was 10 months pregnant. That's not 10 months pregnant. He told me his hair hurt.

[Lauren Everts]

Your hair hurt.

[Michael Bostick]

No, it wasn't my hair. That's not what I said.

[Lauren Everts]

What does that even mean?

[Kelly Stafford]

Repeat it.

[Michael Bostick]

No, it was like one of these things. I don't know. My hair hurt.

[Kelly Stafford]

You said your hair hurt.

[Michael Bostick]

I might have. I wasn't trying to take away from. Have you ever seen that meme where it's like, I'm tired, but I know I'll never be as tired as my wife is tired.

[Kelly Stafford]

Learn it, live it, love it.

[Michael Bostick]

But anyway, no. I just. At the time when she was going through that, especially as our first child, and nobody ever talked to us about this subject, and this was.

[Kelly Stafford]

I thought you had the baby, and it was skipped to my Lou, and it was like, pregnancy was the hard part.

[Michael Bostick]

So I'm like, snap out of it now. And I've taken a lot of shit on the show in the past, so we've talked about how I had to go through it, but I had no understanding of what was happening.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. And it's. I mean, I feel like it's tough for the husband. It's not just you. It's. I feel like every guy is trying to figure out kind of where they should be or what they should do for their wife, who might. Yeah. Who might be.

[Michael Bostick]

It's tough on the relationship, I think. Oh, that's. I mean, like, meaning it wasn't tough on me. Like, it was much tough on her, but it was tough on the relationship because I didn't know what to do to help her.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. And there's. Honestly, unfortunately, there's not much you can Do.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. Now I've learned. Okay. It would have been better if I.

[Kelly Stafford]

Would have just shut the line. It's so easy.

[Michael Bostick]

Shut up.

[Lauren Everts]

So this is funny that you say that, because I have a feeling of this. Matthew gets hit every week, right? He comes home, he's beaten and battered and all these things. And I really hurt my back two weeks ago, and I have been really struggling, but I can't complain. So I know. This is one of the things I tiptoe around. I know. Okay. I can't talk about my back because I know he's dealing with far worse situations on his body. But maybe, you know, that's kind of like this. Maybe just don't talk about how your hair hurts or how you have a.

[Kelly Stafford]

What's your latest? That you have a dot show or the dot?

[Michael Bostick]

No, it was like a capillary dot.

[Kelly Stafford]

That he's talked about every day for the last year. What dot?

[Michael Bostick]

There's a dot right there.

[Lauren Everts]

Shows a dot.

[Michael Bostick]

It's like right there.

[Kelly Stafford]

Everyone on. On YouTube goes. Zoom in on the. Can see. It's an invisible dot.

[Michael Bostick]

No, but I was wondering. Don't go on a tangent about me here.

[Kelly Stafford]

I'll be like, my arm just got cut off. He's like, this is dot.

[Michael Bostick]

The point is, it is a dot. It is like the tired analogy. I'll be exhausted. But I realize I'm not allowed to tell her that because she's more exhausted, you know?

[Lauren Everts]

Yes, it is. And I always try and remind myself that it's not a competition, because I'll do the same thing to Matthew. He'll be like, well, it's tough because when he comes home and he's like, I've had a really long day. I wanna be like, you've had a long day? Let me just tell you about my day real quick. And I know, like, what is put on his shoulders is a. Is a lot. And there's a lot going on at that facility every day. But there's also a lot going on at home. So. There is there. I have to remind myself a lot, like, when he says something and I wanna respond in a way, I have to feel like it's not a competition. Not a competition. He's tired. Just let him be tired. You know, I can deal with mine in a different way, but there's a lot of times where I'm like, I just want to. I'm fucking exhausted. Like, you're tired? You didn't. You haven't even seen your kids yet. Kids are exhausting.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yep, they are.

[Michael Bostick]

What I've learned, though, doing this show for as long as we've done it and having all sorts of different people is like, somebody's worst trauma is their worst trauma. Meaning, like, if somebody lost a loved one or a parent, and that's their worst thing, and then somebody lost their job, and that's the worst thing. Like, they feel the same thing almost as much as. Until they have a greater trauma.

[Kelly Stafford]

So your dot is equal to me.

[Michael Bostick]

Getting my arm.in per se.

[Lauren Everts]

Got it.

[Michael Bostick]

But you know what I'm saying.

[Lauren Everts]

No, I still have.

[Michael Bostick]

There's not. They don't have the. They don't have the ability to even see. Like, oh, there's a worse level. It's like, for them, whatever the. Like, you know, it's like when you see a young kid going through a breakup, it's like, this is the worst thing that's ever. I'm never going to. It's like.

[Lauren Everts]

And it is for them. Yes, it is the worst. And I'll say something on that. I, in 2019, had a brain tumor and felt guilty for feeling. Huh.

[Michael Bostick]

I want to talk to you about that.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, felt guilty for feeling the trauma. Like, felt guilty for feeling scared because it wasn't cancerous. Right. So I was very lucky in that. And I felt bad even saying I was terrified of surgery because, you know, there were people that were fighting brain cancer, and so. But that was the worst trauma I have been through and the scariest thing I have been through. So it was hard. Like. Like you're saying, it's. It's hard to. You're right. There's certain traumas that people feel that are equal to even greater traumas of others.

[Michael Bostick]

Well, that's the problem with a lot of people now commenting on how people should feel about their traumas, because there's, you know, there's people that feel the. The need to tell people how they should feel about their trauma, but you can't.

[Lauren Everts]

No.

[Michael Bostick]

Until you're in it. How did you figure out that you had a brain tumor? That's terrifying.

[Lauren Everts]

I was actually trying to teach my little girls a front roll. I cheered and tumbled through my life. And so it was something that came very front roll, obviously comes naturally to a lot of people, but I did it, and I got. The room just started spinning, and I told my mom, who was sitting there. I was like, ooh, I'm getting old. She was like, what? I was like, I mean, the room is, like, spinning after that. She was like, you're 29 years old. What are you talking about and the vertigo spell started to get worse and worse to the point where I was holding Hunter, which was my third at the time, and she was about six months maybe. Maybe she was somewhere around there. So also in the middle of all the postpartum depression stuff. So there was a lot thrown at me. But anyways, I was holding her and I felt the room spinning and I kind of just threw it at Matthew before I went down. And right after that, he was like, we have to get you checked out. And months in between. But we finally got the results back and yeah, I had an acoustic neuroma that was sitting on my balance nerve.

[Kelly Stafford]

Did they have to obviously operate?

[Lauren Everts]

I'm sure they did.

[Kelly Stafford]

That's so overwhelming. It's your brain. I mean, it's your brain.

[Lauren Everts]

It's. I. I will say, like, I am great looking back, grateful for it, but I've never been. Been the same.

[Kelly Stafford]

What do you mean?

[Lauren Everts]

It just takes me longer now. Like I was a very. Or I played a lot of sports and that's where I found my love and my joy. Actually, I met Matthew. Not met Matthew, but Matthew said he fell in love with me when he saw me playing pickup basketball. It's just what I've done. Like I. That's why I thought I was gonna be a boy mom. And so now playing sports, my balance is still. I'm still learning. My brain has to learn to balance on one side.

[Kelly Stafford]

Normally when you work it out like this, though, like through sports, like, say you're playing. You said you play tennis.

[Michael Bostick]

Tennis is.

[Kelly Stafford]

How does it. Does it make it stronger?

[Lauren Everts]

The more you can make it uncomfortable, the better it gets.

[Kelly Stafford]

Do you notice anything else after that? Like, do you notice that you, like, smells smell different or.

[Lauren Everts]

No smell and taste, thank God, because I love food. But it. I have a slight bell's palsy on my right side that I manipulate with Botox. And then I. My part of my hearing is gone on my right side.

[Michael Bostick]

Do you know what caused it or what brought it on?

[Lauren Everts]

Or it's just random. Wow.

[Kelly Stafford]

So it could happen to anyone.

[Lauren Everts]

Happen to anybody.

[Kelly Stafford]

How do you know when looking back and I'm sure you've talked to a lot of different people about this. How do you know when to go into the doctor and get a checkup?

[Lauren Everts]

I mean, to be honest, as moms and as. I mean, as you know, we tend to put ourselves last.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

It took my husband forcing me to go.

[Kelly Stafford]

I.

[Lauren Everts]

It wasn't like I didn't. Honestly didn't think anything was wrong. I just thought I was getting dizzy spells. Like maybe I was dehydrated or something. I don't drink a ton of water, so maybe that was it. Never in my wildest dreams did I think something was going to come back because I was a genuinely healthy person and I, you know, try to treat my body well.

[Kelly Stafford]

How long was this whole process once you got diagnosed? Was it, did it take two years? What was it short?

[Lauren Everts]

I did not want it to be long. And what sucks is they give us options. And I hate options. Especially when you're talking about a brain tumor. They're like, well, you can, you can watch it, you can sit and watch it grow and then once it starts really messing with you. And I was like messing with me. I can't hold my kids. Like I'm. I'm having these spells and. Or you could radiate it, which they're. Most people leaned against that or take it out. And I immediately was wanted to take it out.

[Kelly Stafford]

When you took it out and you woke up as it something that you feel better in a week or is it a huge process?

[Lauren Everts]

I had to relearn to walk.

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh my gosh.

[Lauren Everts]

And it, it, it's not like it took forever. Like it was.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, but still that's super intense.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, it's just cuz your balance is off like. And they don't want you progressing too quickly because if you fall in her, you know, things I couldn't be with my kids. I think it was three weeks they were out of the house. And it just, you know, it's. Once you learn it, you learn it, but you gotta take the time to do it.

[Kelly Stafford]

How did you guys talk to your children about you going through that? Were you radically honest or did you kind of guard them?

[Lauren Everts]

They were really young, so I was lucky in that the girls were two, my oldest were two.

[Kelly Stafford]

So they were tiny, they were young.

[Lauren Everts]

They didn't really have an idea of what was happening.

[Kelly Stafford]

And you were going through postpartum, you just had a baby and you were dealing with this. I mean that's a whole.

[Lauren Everts]

It was a lot thrown at me.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

But I, and I still think this is true. Like my life needed it. I needed a pause, I needed like a slow down situation. Really focus on me. Because that had been the last thing on my mind for a long time. And I truly think it helped my marriage. It helped our family become like strong. And we always come back to it. You know, if things are tough and, or if we're struggling, we always kind of sit down and just say all Right. Things could be worse things and. Right. Everything could always be worse. Things could be, you know, anyways. But we always try and go back to it in that time. Just be like, we're so grateful for each other and what we have and the family we have, even though sometimes it's really hard.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah. It makes everything else seem small in comparison. Are you doing anything that. Where people can, like, DM you if they have a question about it? Yeah, I'm sure people, like, have, have, have DM'd you and reached out.

[Lauren Everts]

They have, yeah. And I always. I. I do check my. The ones that come through that I usually, you know, people who are following. You're following have the pride, whatever that is. But. And I'll check and see because there have been a lot of people that have reached out. You know, supposedly it's a rare tumor, but you wouldn't know it by. Based on the amount of people that reach out and, like, going public with that. I went back and forth with Matthew on it, but I was like, I want to help others. If other people have questions, like, I. Hopefully this is before my surgery. I was like, hopefully I can be an answer and give them, you know, I don't know. It was a really scary time and no one could tell me anything about it, and that's what sucked. So I didn't want other people going through it to feel that way.

[Kelly Stafford]

And also, when you Google it, you don't, like. It's just like, almost. You're in a deep hole.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

So I don't think you can Google any medical conditions these days.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah. You can't sever that dot on your face.

[Lauren Everts]

Cheers.

[Kelly Stafford]

Dot on my face. Sorry.

[Michael Bostick]

Put it up on the screen. Taylor, pull up if we're gonna.

[Kelly Stafford]

It's awesome.

[Michael Bostick]

No, but every time you go down the Google rabbit hole, you just leave terrified. You can't do it anymore.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

And I did that after I was diagnosed, but luckily Matthew shut that down pretty quick.

[Kelly Stafford]

If you were to describe. This is a tangent.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Kelly Stafford]

To someone who had never heard of sports. What the behind the scenes is like.

[Lauren Everts]

Behind the scenes, like family, like the.

[Kelly Stafford]

Players, the dynamics of the wags and the women and the. Is there mistresses in there? Like, if you were to describe. I imagine it like. Remember that scene in Juicy?

[Michael Bostick]

You want to get the headline?

[Kelly Stafford]

No, this is, is. This is actually for my own selfish self. I imagine it like Jumanji.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Kelly Stafford]

When all the different, like, animals. Yeah. Are like. Like, there's so many dynamics. It's like an onion. I would Think if you were to describe the behind the scenes of. Of the wives and the. And the mistresses and to someone who has no idea, AKA me, because I've never been around sports. Really?

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

How are you describing it?

[Lauren Everts]

I mean, I.

[Kelly Stafford]

Why is it funny, you guys?

[Lauren Everts]

I have had.

[Michael Bostick]

Hanging on the right in the photo. What are we editing?

[Lauren Everts]

I have had. I have a lot of experiences to pull from. I've been a quote unquote wag for 16 years.

[Kelly Stafford]

See, this is the perfect person to ask.

[Lauren Everts]

And I started as well as for.

[Kelly Stafford]

Wives, she's the girlfriend. The engaged and the wife.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

Wives and girlfriends.

[Lauren Everts]

Wives and girlfriends of professionals.

[Kelly Stafford]

She's the entrepreneur. They should add in a wages.

[Lauren Everts]

A way.

[Kelly Stafford]

Wages.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm in. You know what? I. I have thoroughly like. I'm so glad that I got out of Georgia. And I'll say that because I don't think I would have ever left without Matthew. Getting to a place not knowing anybody but the community that you are involved with, meaning the players and their girlfriends or wives. It is a very fun dynamic, but also a very sad dynamic because you do see, and especially because I was in one place for so long. It was like a carousel.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Women leaving. Not. Not the mistresses. Like a carousel of like players getting traded, players getting mistresses.

[Kelly Stafford]

Like sitting with popcorn and like a mustache, glasses.

[Lauren Everts]

So many good stories. I wish I could tell you, but.

[Kelly Stafford]

I don't think I can. Can you tell an anonymous one?

[Lauren Everts]

I can tell. I can tell. Oh, gosh. I don't know. I'm looking over. Okay, maybe at the end.

[Kelly Stafford]

Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay. But it. I love that people are so intrigued by this and I do feel like it's because of who is now a wag in Taylor Swift. And the dynamic is about the same as if you moved with him for a job and you got to know. And I hate to bore you, but. But it's. It. It's normal. Yeah. I'm so sorry.

[Kelly Stafford]

There's no, like, there's no Real Housewives. Yeah. Athletes.

[Lauren Everts]

Did you ever see the show Wags?

[Kelly Stafford]

Yes, of course.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay. It's nothing like that.

[Kelly Stafford]

So it's fake.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, that's all fake.

[Michael Bostick]

But is it like this? Like we have a friend. It's going to hear this. We have a friend, and he has been a bachelor for a long time, but what happens is he starts dating someone and then he's one of our close friends. So then we all become friends. But about a year and a half.

[Kelly Stafford]

Into it, it gets a little squirrely.

[Michael Bostick]

It gets a little squirrely.

[Lauren Everts]

It's always a year and a half.

[Michael Bostick]

It's basically a pattern. It's kind of like if I was an investor, timing cycles, I'll be like, okay, we're in this cycle. This is the cycle. And it sucks because we meet these women and they're very nice, and we become friends and they meet our children and we do the whole thing. But, like, once we're in that cycle, I'm like, well, here it goes.

[Kelly Stafford]

So is that. There's gotta be the cycles.

[Lauren Everts]

There is, but you, like, they go.

[Michael Bostick]

And then, you know, then. And so we all. We lose because, you know, like, it's tough.

[Lauren Everts]

So it is the same in that regard. There were some players that you knew not to get too close to the significant others, which, honestly, I felt horrible about.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Because, you know, I. I did get close to a bunch in Detroit who were there a long time, but. And you never want to feel like you're, you know, singling people out or not allowing people into the group or whatever. But you also just knew. And sometimes there would just be a new girl the next week. So it was, you know, that. Managing that or, like, making these girls feel welcome. Especially as a quarterback's wife, you want everyone to feel welcome.

[Kelly Stafford]

The quarterback's like the star.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, he's the leader.

[Kelly Stafford]

Guys, I want you to understand something about me. I know nothing about sports. I do know that the quarterback is, like, the best. It's the shiny star.

[Lauren Everts]

He touches the ball. Yes, he touches the ball every time on offense. Okay, so.

[Kelly Stafford]

So everyone's angling to get in with you.

[Lauren Everts]

I know. No one angles. I'm too old now, to be honest.

[Kelly Stafford]

If I was younger than.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes.

[Kelly Stafford]

Are they wearing, like, a crop top push up with vagina out, or is everyone like, come on. There's.

[Lauren Everts]

There is definitely a mix of that. And there's the girls that get their hair and makeup done for every game, and there's the girls that show up looking a hot disaster. That's usually ones with the kids. So there is a dynamic there. And some girls are young and they have time and they have fun, and they go out and they're like, come with us. And we're like, I can't.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

And I used to be that girl when I was young. When I, like, I moved to Detroit when I was 19, I couldn't even get into bars. And so it was really fun for a long time. And then, you know, you grow up and you have kids, and again, there is a big age gap between me and a rookie girlfriend.

[Kelly Stafford]

Okay, so Let me ask you this. If you were to write.

[Michael Bostick]

What's your strategy, Lauren? What's your strategy? Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

If you were to write a book called, like, the WAG Guide. The WAG Guide, Wages Guide, you can include entrepreneurs, too, what would you tell someone who's just coming into this world as a girlfriend, like, what is. What is a survival kit?

[Lauren Everts]

Don't lose yourself. Don't lose who you are because you.

[Kelly Stafford]

Put it all towards, like, cheering for the guy.

[Lauren Everts]

People tell you who to be. They tell you you should be prettier. They tell you that you should just shut your mouth. They tell you. They. They literally. And this is horrible. It's all on social media. But I do feel like when you're young, you and I still do, like, I'm not. I. I'm not superwoman. I don't not read comments and get upset. Like, I still do that. And when you're younger, I do feel like they have a bigger influence over who you think you are and who you should be. And that's what honestly scares me with how big social media has gotten and how important it is to be famous on Instagram or whatever, that they lean into it.

[Kelly Stafford]

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[Michael Bostick]

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[Kelly Stafford]

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[Michael Bostick]

Right before you were here, we were with a really nice young woman. She's 28 and she has a big, big platform. And she was saying, like, it's challenging. It's even at the scale that she's challenging. Like, just the stuff that comes in. And as a young person, it's like, how do you.

[Kelly Stafford]

I think it's because our brains were not meant for this many people in the peanut gallery and this much content.

[Lauren Everts]

It's. No, I agree.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, you have to. I'm like, and I'm gonna tell my kids this with my daughter. The Internet's a movie set. There is lighting, there's makeup, there's a producer, there is a director.

[Lauren Everts]

That's good.

[Kelly Stafford]

There is a filter. This is a movie set. So if you can equate it, like when I watched the wizard of Oz when I was little and thought, oh, wow, this is is the production. That's what the Internet is. And you have. I think you have to put that in perspective for girls. I think it's really important. Or else you just get eaten.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, that's a really good way to do it.

[Kelly Stafford]

Well, I want to know your tips. You have four girls. How are you?

[Lauren Everts]

What?

[Kelly Stafford]

Like, it's overwhelming.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm terrified of it. I mean, my girls are already like. I mean, I don't. I was just talking to Kira about this, but they asked for clothes for Christmas. There's seven and six and I'm going. I'm pretty sure I was asking for Barbies or something to play with. But they're already so aware of what they look like. And I don't think I was aware literally until I got fat in college. Like, I don't think I knew. I was always playing sports. I was always just a little jockey. But my girls already are very. If they don't like their outfit, they're changing. If they don't like the way they look in their outfit. And I just feel like that's so young to be doing that. And it scares the shit out of me because I do think like, especially being if we moved. This is why I love LA though there. I love and hate la. I love LA because they are no one's daughters here. They're not. They're just Chandler, Sawyer, Hunter and Tyler. If we move to where I think we would move, if we moved out of la, which would be back to Georgia, they would be Matthew Stafford's kids. And there's an added pressure to look a certain way and I've felt that myself as an adult and couldn't handle it. So I'm terrified for my children. Like I. We're try. We're like gonna attempt no phones until you're 15 and see. And I'm honestly hoping by then. And I know it's far fetched, I tell Kiera this all the time. I hope they ban it because it's so bad for mental health. But they. We all know they won't.

[Michael Bostick]

You know, we go like we were talking again like that our generation of parents are kind of. No, no, not our generation. The generation before. So like that had kids in their teens when all this came out, were like the first guinea pigs because a lot of these platforms, like it was Instagram or TikTok or whatever. Like the parents had. No, they didn't grow up with social. Yeah, they didn't know that the kids all had it. So there was no way to. Like, we are the first generation that grew up with, with it, but later, and now our kids are going to be able to get it a little bit later. We go speak at colleges and I always say, like, are you a consumer or is it a tool? If it's not a tool and you're just a mindless consumer, then it's probably not a good thing for you. But if you can separate and realize, okay, people are using this as a tool to curate a movie set, to showcase whatever, and you can understand the difference and I think you have a chance. But if they're just mindlessly consuming and the parent doesn't have an idea how to kind of differentiate it. Yeah, I think that's really challenging.

[Lauren Everts]

I think that's, I mean, you're right.

[Michael Bostick]

It'S not going to go away.

[Lauren Everts]

No, it's not. And I, and you know, we do our best right now where they don't have technology, but it's because we're. I'm honestly scared that they're going to stumble upon instrument. Not really stumble upon it, but like they have friends who have phones, they have friends who have Instagram accounts.

[Michael Bostick]

Oh, it's scary too.

[Lauren Everts]

And that's terrifying. And they've already, and we're, they've already asked, but we try to do our best of just like limiting any besides the tv. I'm all about some Apple tv, go for it, I don't care. But phones, stuff like that, we're gonna do our damnedest to try and hold off as long as we can until their brains can fully like be aware of what they're consuming and that it's not real. A lot of it. It's people's best days, the best of their best days. So it's. But it's hard. And as a woman and as a 50, I couldn't imagine 15 year old girl because we didn't. I didn't have it when I was 15.

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh my God, it would have eaten me alive.

[Lauren Everts]

I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have survived.

[Michael Bostick]

Remember they had those journals they would pass around in school.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

And then you guys. No, but I'm saying.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh my God, I love that. Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

We have our journal that we pass back and forth. We have a journal, a composition notebook that we pass back and forth. Your notes are six pages. Mine are like two sentences like, Lauren.

[Lauren Everts]

Please respond, please respond. I want to know, did y'all, y'all met very early on? Did y'all stay together the whole time?

[Kelly Stafford]

No. No. He wishes. No. Yeah. You gotta pull back. You gotta be elusive I had to.

[Michael Bostick]

Go run around for a little bit.

[Lauren Everts]

No, everyone's gotta, you know, test everything and make sure. I think that's important.

[Kelly Stafford]

I had to test a couple cars.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, no, that's good.

[Kelly Stafford]

Hey, I came back.

[Michael Bostick]

You know what, though? What's really scary? This is like, I know we're just meeting each other, but there I have friends that have older kids that discover porn on the Internet. And like back in the day, when I was a kid, if you found a magazine in the bushes, it was like this, like the thing, you know, or you, like, found a video. But it was tame. It was not so crazy. And he was saying the biggest problem now is, like, the stuff that these kids. It's so aggressive. Aggressive.

[Kelly Stafford]

And it's not like normal.

[Lauren Everts]

I didn't even think about this. It's not like.

[Kelly Stafford]

It's not like having sex. It's like.

[Michael Bostick]

And so what it's done is it's one, it desensitizes them, and two, creates a p. Like when they have their first experiences, like, this is not even close to what it is. And so then they, like, it's causing all these issues with intimacy because the kids, like, think that that's.

[Kelly Stafford]

You have girls now.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm scared of what the boys think that should be happening.

[Kelly Stafford]

Well, yeah, that's true.

[Lauren Everts]

Because my girls are going to be on the other side of that.

[Kelly Stafford]

That's true.

[Michael Bostick]

Well, but it's for all of them. But it just.

[Lauren Everts]

Thanks a lot, Michael.

[Kelly Stafford]

Michael.

[Michael Bostick]

Well, I don't know what the answer is, but I think that there needs. Yeah, I think a lot of parents want to shield a lot. I think I had a father who. He was kind of crazy. He's 80 now, but he was kind of crazy. He was, like, telling me all these wild experiences and things that he would do. But then when I faced those things, when they got present, like, say it was drugs or whatever, I was like, oh, well, he already, like, told me so much and experienced.

[Kelly Stafford]

His dad was super, super radically honest with him about everything.

[Michael Bostick]

And I don't necessarily know if that's the right. But I think for this, it's a lot of conversation about, like, what Lauren was talking about or if it's things you come. It's like, these are not real experiences. They're artificial. They're amped up. They're meant to solicit a response and a dopamine, you know, release. And I think, like, if you just. If you just kind of shield them forever, don't tell them. And as soon as they get it.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. You're right. And I will say the analogy is great, because a lot of times I'm wondering the words to say of, like, I'll be like, no, that's not real. And they're like, what do you mean it's not real? It's. They're right there. I'm like, no, but that's not. There's filters, and they're like, what does that mean? So I love. Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

You know what you should do? You should Google influencers setup, and you'll be able to show them the. Stick with the diva light. Like, with. They can see all the, like, movie production that's behind.

[Michael Bostick]

Just show them what it's like to, like, edit a photo without.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah, you can show them facetune like, you show. You show them filter. Like, this is what my face looks like without. In this. This is what it looks like. You show them.

[Michael Bostick]

Or you could do what we're doing and become Amish when they're around 12, and then you just go away.

[Kelly Stafford]

What is the Kelly morning nighttime routine, if there is one?

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, man, it's not great.

[Kelly Stafford]

I mean, your skin looks beautiful.

[Lauren Everts]

Thank you. What's the tips? I would say I sometimes don't wash my face at night, but I don't. But I.

[Kelly Stafford]

Maybe that's a secret.

[Lauren Everts]

Those are the days I don't wear makeup, which is.

[Kelly Stafford]

Okay, that's fair.

[Lauren Everts]

Honestly, most days. But, yes, I don't wear a lot of makeup either, unless I'm with you guys, because this is very important.

[Kelly Stafford]

I feel I only am wearing makeup if it's worth it.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. Like, you know what? He's seen you since you were, what, how old?

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, I don't give a. Yeah, figure it out.

[Lauren Everts]

I kind of seen her give birth. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, you're fine.

[Kelly Stafford]

Everything behind the sheep.

[Michael Bostick]

I was around a sheep.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, thank goodness. In nursing school, we had to watch it, and it was.

[Kelly Stafford]

He doesn't want. You're not watching it. You're like. He acts like you're, like, the quarterback.

[Michael Bostick]

I'm like. I'm, like, around the corner.

[Kelly Stafford]

Okay, so go ahead. Your morning routine at nighttime.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. So a lot of times I don't wash my face. I do find that sometimes the oils are good.

[Kelly Stafford]

I agree with you.

[Lauren Everts]

Especially as you get older. So that sometimes happens. If that happens, I definitely take a little bit longer in the morning to get a deep clean in, but I run very dry. So moisturizers, oils.

[Kelly Stafford]

That's really simple.

[Lauren Everts]

Very. Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

Meditation, cold plunge, sauna.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, God, I wish all of that.

[Kelly Stafford]

No, I mean, you look like you work out every day. You're working out.

[Lauren Everts]

I play, I try and play tennis.

[Kelly Stafford]

You play tennis? Michael and I just started about a year ago.

[Michael Bostick]

Love it.

[Lauren Everts]

How fun is it?

[Kelly Stafford]

We love it.

[Lauren Everts]

It's addicting.

[Kelly Stafford]

We love it. Yeah, it's like, it's really good for marriage too.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Unless. Well, I've been playing now for two years and Matthew literally came to hit a ball with me and the lady I hit with and was 9,000 times better than me. And I'm not saying like he is athletic, I will give him that. But I'm going, are you fucking kidding me? I literally been working on this for two years and I'm not, not athletic. But I just, he's just, it's. And I know men.

[Kelly Stafford]

Is that just innate, do you think?

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, probably. I don't know. But it's really fucking frustrating.

[Michael Bostick]

I said he's an elite specimen that's playing at the top level.

[Lauren Everts]

I love. He's gonna love that. You call him an elite specimen. I mean, he's.

[Kelly Stafford]

Can you google him so I can see him?

[Lauren Everts]

Here, I'll show you.

[Kelly Stafford]

I only looked at Kelly's stuff.

[Michael Bostick]

Why is my screen not alive here? Taylor, what's happening?

[Kelly Stafford]

I think that Matthew is Kelly's husband.

[Lauren Everts]

I love you for that.

[Kelly Stafford]

You know that.

[Lauren Everts]

That's my goal. When he's done, that's gonna be my goal.

[Michael Bostick]

We were on the east coast this summer and these girl, we're at this bar and these, these girls had a couple drinks, they came out, they go, oh my, my God, you are Lauren's wife. I was like, I sure am.

[Lauren Everts]

Right? I am. I love that for you.

[Kelly Stafford]

I want to see like a picture. Is, is he like a Greek God or like what is Michael?

[Lauren Everts]

You just want like a normal picture.

[Michael Bostick]

He's a quarterback. It's not easy to get.

[Kelly Stafford]

I probably won't recognize like.

[Lauren Everts]

Do you know that. You know what NFL quarterbacks look like most. The most the time? Right? And I love my. Listen, this is what I love about my husband.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, I mean, like, you know, I think some are than others. I think he's a good looking man.

[Lauren Everts]

But like when you say specimen, I feel like people are thinking he has like an eight pack.

[Michael Bostick]

No, I mean like he's just like an elite, an elite athlete.

[Lauren Everts]

No, you know, and he. Yeah, I would say he is. I don't. This is horrible. I barely have any pictures of my husband. One second. What if.

[Michael Bostick]

Well, but the point is, is like, you know, like as a profession, the thing he does every Day for his entire life is sports.

[Lauren Everts]

Right? You can just look through that. Yeah. I mean, his job is to work out.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Which sounds fucking awesome.

[Kelly Stafford]

I mean, he looks like an elite specimen. I can see why he said that.

[Michael Bostick]

I don't just throw. Listen, not everybody comes on. I'm not like, dear guy's elite. I don't say it about everybody.

[Kelly Stafford]

I have seen him, by the way. I know nothing about sports. I could not tell you how many LeBron James looks like. And I hear that word all the time.

[Michael Bostick]

Yes, you could. If you saw LeBron.

[Kelly Stafford]

Where? On my life. He could walk by me. I'd be like, that guy's tall.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, wow. I have no idea. No idea.

[Kelly Stafford]

No idea.

[Michael Bostick]

Good. This is perfect for me. Don't look at any of these people.

[Kelly Stafford]

So it's nothing against. I just don't know about. I know Tom Brady.

[Michael Bostick]

Most really good athletes look exactly like me.

[Kelly Stafford]

Like, that's what they mostly look like.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, there you go.

[Michael Bostick]

You don't think of Tom Brady like that.

[Kelly Stafford]

He looks like.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes, we do.

[Kelly Stafford]

I'm just kidding.

[Lauren Everts]

No, we don't.

[Kelly Stafford]

He is Steven Chambers. This is not him. Or is that a picture? This is him.

[Lauren Everts]

That's him.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

I mean, you guys are a great looking couple.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, that's very sweet. Thank you.

[Michael Bostick]

But yeah, I mean, I would imagine probably because he. That's what he does. I like that he would know. He would be able to get into the athletics and know the movements right away. Yes, Even tennis is challenging, but he.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I mean, he. And just a ball in general. I mean, any type of ball he can manage, which sounds. Well, hold on, let me take that back.

[Kelly Stafford]

That's the headline.

[Lauren Everts]

That's the headline. You know what I mean? But no, he is. He's just athletic. His hand, eye, all of that.

[Kelly Stafford]

When he comes up to you, is he like famous coming up to you or.

[Lauren Everts]

No.

[Kelly Stafford]

Was he just a normal guy when he came out to me the first time you met?

[Lauren Everts]

I didn't know who he was when we first met.

[Kelly Stafford]

Perfect. Okay, so did you like him right away or did it take.

[Lauren Everts]

He was adorable. He was a little chubbier. Yes, he. Me too. Yeah, he was a little chubbier. He was really funny. Then I found out he was the quarterback, which honestly kind of put me the other direction. I was like, you know, he was quarterback of an SEC school. Like, God knows, You know what I mean? So I was just like, oh, great. And we had our ups and downs for a while there, which was also a headline that I won't Discuss, discuss. But you could probably look it up. But, yeah, we. We loved and hated each other through college. And then when he was going to train for the NFL and leaving, I was like, all right, this was so fun. Kind of like, I love you. Enjoy life. That's literally honestly where I thought this was going. And he called me from training and was like, I want to make this work. I want to try to make this work.

[Kelly Stafford]

So you kind of gave him a little absence to make him feel it for a minute. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I really thought that it. I was like, you're going to be drafted somewhere. Especially when you got drafted to Detroit. I was like, love you. You're going to be so great. And in the south, it really is about college football. So, like, I didn't know much about professional football. Like, it is about where I'm from. It's not about the Falcons. It is, which is the Atlanta team. It's about UGA Georgia football, which Matthew was the quarterback. Was. Or that's where Matthew was the quarterback. And I went to school and I cheered.

[Kelly Stafford]

Shit, I should have dated an athlete. I never dated an athlete.

[Michael Bostick]

Look over here. What is this? I'm.

[Lauren Everts]

You know, it's an elite specimen. What do you mean?

[Kelly Stafford]

It's an elite specimen, but I don't think it's at. Well.

[Lauren Everts]

Do you play sports?

[Michael Bostick]

I grew up playing a lot of sports, but I never plays.

[Kelly Stafford]

Tennis?

[Michael Bostick]

No, I played when I was.

[Kelly Stafford]

He doesn't play basketball. I hate to break it to you. I know he looks like.

[Michael Bostick]

When I was a kid, I was a cornerback.

[Lauren Everts]

You did a corner or quarter? Corner, but.

[Kelly Stafford]

So you're fast.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, but. And I played.

[Kelly Stafford]

I've never heard that position in my life. What?

[Lauren Everts]

Defense is Defense.

[Michael Bostick]

Defense.

[Lauren Everts]

Covering the receiver. Yikes.

[Kelly Stafford]

Don't tell me that's a little bit of a turnout. You didn't play quarterback?

[Michael Bostick]

No, I played hockey. Then I was a boxer. I was a boxer for a while.

[Lauren Everts]

You played, like, everything.

[Michael Bostick]

You did a lot. Well, the problem is, is that I think when you're a kid, like, your parents just throw you in a bunch of stuff. But then in high school, I was like, a buck 40. And then I got up there and I was like, these massive dudes. I'm like, fuck this. I'm out of here.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm hungry.

[Michael Bostick]

And I was like, you know, because there is, you know, certain positions, like, you have to have a little bit of size.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Like every position.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. Michael.

[Kelly Stafford]

I think she knows that, but I've.

[Michael Bostick]

Always done different things, but never at that Level.

[Kelly Stafford]

No, never at that level. And I will be beating you in tennis.

[Lauren Everts]

I would love to play tennis.

[Kelly Stafford]

What can we expect from your podcast when everyone goes to listen? Owning your worth. You also have another one. You said, what can we expect?

[Lauren Everts]

I mean, honestly. My co host is 50 or 50 years old. He is from Michigan. He is a gay dad that just got separated. So we're very. We are on two different life paths and we kind of just talk about the modern relationships in both of those and failing and succeeding. Would love for people to hear like and feel comforted that they're not alone if they have a really bad parenting day or if they have a really bad fight with their husband or wife. In today's society, I feel like we think things have to be perfect or we're failing. Turns out the way to make things close to perfect is to fail to understand. And that's really kind of what we talk about. We laugh. We laugh a lot. My co host is pretty funny. He, well, I'll let you listen to get to know him. But it is just something to come listen to. Take your mind off the day, realize the person. I feel like people think I have my shit together, like you said, and I'm very honest about not having it together. And I feel like that comforts. It comforts me knowing that everyone else is kind of feeling that way. And I hope it kind of comforts them knowing that someone that you would think has, you know, her life kind of set out and planned and blessed is also struggling with a lot too.

[Kelly Stafford]

Life is like that meme, that Kendall Jenner meme. It really is where it's like she's sitting in bed, like, with a hoodie on, and it's like me trying to figure out how to text all my friends back, like, blow my husband everything. Like, finish all. Finish all my meetings, like, take care of my kids. What if you just did the one.

[Michael Bostick]

That blow your husband? You'll figure everything else will take care of itself. Well, if you don't start being nicer, you're going to be in the future, Lawrence.

[Lauren Everts]

Happy husband, happy life.

[Michael Bostick]

Though if you don't start being nicer in the future, Lauren's like, yeah, like I host a show with my gay, gay ex husband dad.

[Lauren Everts]

And you know what I just realized? You never put you in there. It was always everybody else.

[Kelly Stafford]

It's all these different things you have to do all the time. It's like, to figure it out. It's a mathematic equation.

[Lauren Everts]

I feel like that's some people's Lives.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah. I think you got to pick and choose.

[Lauren Everts]

You do.

[Kelly Stafford]

I think you can do three things at once really well.

[Lauren Everts]

Multitask.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

I think is what we were just saying.

[Michael Bostick]

I'm going to remind you of this later.

[Kelly Stafford]

I also think there's seasons, like, sometimes I can hang out with my friends, and sometimes I can't.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. So I totally agree with you. And this is what I'll say. The friends that love you and understand you are going to be there after the season where you can't do anything.

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah. And the ones that don't. I'm sorry, we gotta.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. I mean, they'll be back eventually, but.

[Kelly Stafford]

Where can everyone find you? Where can they come see your show in December, tell us all the things.

[Lauren Everts]

They can find me? My instagram handle is kbstafford89. And then the morning after media is where all of our podcast stuff drops. What else. What else do you guys want to remember?

[Kelly Stafford]

But that's 89 for the.

[Lauren Everts]

His team number 82 or 89. 89. That's the year I was born.

[Kelly Stafford]

Got it. Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Kelly Stafford]

I just.

[Lauren Everts]

Which I'm realizing. And I should, like, when I was young, I was like, yeah, that works. But now that I'm getting older, I'm like, I really should take the 89 out.

[Kelly Stafford]

I thought the 89 was his number on his jersey.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, no, nine. Nine's his number.

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, so it kind of works.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. Yeah, sure it does.

[Kelly Stafford]

We'll just say that feels like eight, and then he has a nine. Yes, Kelly.

[Lauren Everts]

Thank you.

[Michael Bostick]

She has a wife that has no understanding of who these men are. That was my. That was my strategy.

[Lauren Everts]

I love that. Yeah. What do you guys do on Sundays? You don't watch football?

[Kelly Stafford]

I've never watched football. You've never watched football? I mean, I've watched. My dad has watched the Broncos when I was little. Are you from Denver? She was born in Denver.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

But no, we grew up with the Chargers.

[Kelly Stafford]

To be honest with you, I also don't understand. I don't understand the game.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I have a podcast called Timeout, and that is what that's for.

[Kelly Stafford]

It explains it to people. Like, explains that have no idea.

[Lauren Everts]

Exactly.

[Kelly Stafford]

It's a bit of a foreign language if you weren't brought up around it.

[Lauren Everts]

It is a. Even if you're brought up around it and have lived in it for as long as I have, I am still learning.

[Kelly Stafford]

Oh, so you. It's not like an easy game like tennis, where you can just figure it out?

[Michael Bostick]

I used to watch a lot more when I Would gamble.

[Lauren Everts]

Mm. Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

I have to be vested.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, well, isn't there, like, a DraftKings that you can gamble on?

[Kelly Stafford]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

But no. Now in Texas, I don't know if it's legal. Is it legal in Texas? I don't know, but I had. At one point, I was like, it was going a little too much, like, all of that. Then I would get invested. But then, you know. Because the problem with if you know anything about sports is we grew up with the Chargers. The Chargers fully betrayed San Diego. They bailed out, and then where are they?

[Lauren Everts]

La.

[Michael Bostick]

Exactly. But then we lost the team, and now we live in Texas. And I'm like, I'm not a Dallas fan. I'm not a. You know. Because they were not a Dallas fan.

[Kelly Stafford]

Kelly, wait for it.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Kelly Stafford]

Throw the first pitch at the Padres game.

[Michael Bostick]

That's right.

[Lauren Everts]

Let's go.

[Kelly Stafford]

And I.

[Michael Bostick]

She did.

[Kelly Stafford]

It was a 7.5, I would say.

[Lauren Everts]

Hell, yeah.

[Kelly Stafford]

It wasn't like a pathetic.

[Lauren Everts]

Did you make it over the plate? You caught it?

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, she made it over the plate. She made it over the plate.

[Lauren Everts]

What? That's hard.

[Michael Bostick]

Little to. Little to the left. But it was.

[Lauren Everts]

That's okay.

[Kelly Stafford]

No, no, no, it was good.

[Lauren Everts]

That's a long throw.

[Kelly Stafford]

I know.

[Michael Bostick]

So she did it from the. From the mound, too.

[Lauren Everts]

Damn. A lot of people don't choose to do that. A lot of women choose to step up. So that's.

[Michael Bostick]

You know what I thought the whole time? I was like, if I don't catch this fucking ball, my man card is going to be done. I'll be finished.

[Lauren Everts]

When they asked you to catch it, were you like, damn it, I don't want to give.

[Michael Bostick]

She throws it off and it's. And I can't. Then, like, I won't. But I'm like, if she gets it to me and I miss it, I was like, I'll be. I'll be finished forever.

[Lauren Everts]

Don't worry about you. Who's throwing the first pitch from the center of it.

[Michael Bostick]

But don't you agree maybe?

[Kelly Stafford]

I'll absolutely agree.

[Michael Bostick]

Like, if I. I didn't catch it.

[Lauren Everts]

I would be talking about it.

[Michael Bostick]

She got it to me.

[Lauren Everts]

I would have been the fan talking about you.

[Michael Bostick]

Look at this bozo.

[Lauren Everts]

Absolutely. I'd be like, God, he can't even catch her ball.

[Kelly Stafford]

After this episode, I'm inspired to throw around an old pigskin.

[Lauren Everts]

There we go.

[Kelly Stafford]

Teach me how to throw it.

[Michael Bostick]

All right.

[Lauren Everts]

I love this.

[Kelly Stafford]

Kelly, thank you for coming on the show.

[Michael Bostick]

Thank you.

[Kelly Stafford]

Come back anytime. Be sure to head to hiskinny. Confidential on Instagram to see the latest launch that's happening next week.