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Pam Stepnick On The Truth About Kids On Social Media - Pressure, Comparison, & Feeling Like You're Losing Them
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Michael Bostic
Welcome to the Bostics, starring Lauren Bostic and Michael Bostic. Together they are the Bostics.
- [00:11]
Lauren Bostic
Fuck the Pauls. That's right. Pam Stepnik is on the show today. She is best known as the mother of Jake and Logan Paul. I was quite interested in this episode because being a mother, I want to know how, how she thinks about raising children and parenting in the public eye. She has a memoir called Fuck the Pauls and it released in January 2026 and it offers a candid firsthand account of life as the first mom of influencers. We loved talking with Pam on this episode. We talked about parents navigating the pressures of social media, what it's like being the Paul's mother and public scrutiny. She was so sweet, cute, adorable and I had such a good time with Pam. On that note, let's welcome the OG mom of influencers, Pam Stepnick to the show. You raised Jake and Logan Paul which means you either deserve a medal or a very long vacation. I genuinely though, and Michael does too need to understand what was happening in that house when they grew up in Ohio.
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Pam Stepnick
When you look back, very different from the way it looks now. And I think I do deserve a very long vacation. Private jet, fly me somewhere and treat me boys. If you're listening, I don't need a medal. We got one of those a couple weeks ago, I should say we but Utah. It was a very active household. But keep in mind, Greg and I divorced, that's their dad, when they were like 5 and 7 at my house it was much more calm and serene than it was at his house. It was very full of testosterone. However, when they started picking up that camera and making really funny videos, which I thought were hilarious, you know, that's when it started to get a little bit wild and doing crazy things like jumping out of windows and riding their bikes off picnic tables and just making chaos and, and I, I just let them do it.
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Lauren Bostic
As parents, we want to know how you were able to encourage their talent at such a young age. And, and like almost water it. Cause you've, you seem to have done a really good job at that because
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Pam Stepnick
I let them be who they wanted to be and I didn't let any fear. And this kind of goes throughout the theme of the last 12 years or so is I couldn't let my fear get in the way of them doing what they need to do. And it still happens today, like I don't know, driving, you know, razors off, razor jumps and it's, it is terrifying. But I, I, I Trust in God and my faith, and I just have to keep that in the forefront. And so that's kind of how it was. Like you say watering. I like that is just letting them be their creative self and not getting in the way, I guess.
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Lauren Bostic
When is the first time that you remember them picking up that camera? And was there, like a shift or an epiphany with it?
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Pam Stepnick
So they were like 10 and 12. They were both playing sports, mostly football. And their dad will say he bought the camera. I say, I did.
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Lauren Bostic
Who really bought it? Pam?
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Pam Stepnick
I did. But I think he ended up getting one right away, too, because they're going back and forth house to house. Right. So, you know, they're 10 and 12. Are they going to remember the camera every single time? And that wasn't all they did either. So I think that he ended up buying one as well. But I know my dad gave us, when we were married, you know, one of those big camcorders, and we filmed their births, which was unusual. Like back in those days, or like 29, 31 years, you let your husband
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Lauren Bostic
film it up close and personal.
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Pam Stepnick
We had the. Actually, the nurse helped us too.
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Lauren Bostic
They put everything on YouTube. Let's put the birth on there.
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Pam Stepnick
Yeah, but we see. So it's in Paul American a little bit. And what's funny is they didn't realize. Well, Logan did, I think, but Jake didn't realize that his birth was on camera until Paul American. I had given, you know, Paul American a bunch of video, and there it was. And he's like, this makes perfect sense. I was born on camera. And he was just dumbfounded, like, almost to a little bit. Tears. And why didn't you tell me? I digress a little bit. So when they started doing fun things, it was like, okay, well, that's keeping you off the video games out of, you know, maybe some big trouble that they could have gotten in. And I just thought it was really creative, but I had no idea this was gonna, like, go anywhere. They. They did start their own little YouTube channel. They followed smosh ridiculousness and the MTV stuff. And I. Which I just, you know, rolled my eyes at. But when my kids did it, I thought it was funny. But then they got into their sports in high school, and they put that camera pretty much aside for those years. And then when vine came out. Do you remember the vine for second videos? Right. Those were just so fun and creative, and I really loved, because I'm not, I don't think, a creative person at all. I've learned a little bit through Them, but I'm not really. And so Jake was a junior, and Logan had just graduated, and they started doing the Vines. And then that's kind of when I knew, like, this is becoming, like, a passion for them. I still didn't know it'd be a career, but they went viral, and they're making money. What am I gonna say?
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Lauren Bostic
It's so interesting to me that you say you're not creative, because the COVID to me, of the book is very creative. And, I mean, you must be creative to raise children that are so exceptional.
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Pam Stepnick
I would say again that I'm kind of blessed. I say that a lot. I'm. I'm blessed. What I. What I em is really supportive. I'm that really supportive parent in the background that, you want to do this? Okay, let's do this. You want to, you know, spill wine on your new bed because it's funny video. Okay, let's do it. Most parents would not do that. And they say no a lot. I think, where I said yes a lot, and I think their dad did that too. Creativity, again, has been learned for me. I've learned it through watching them. And everyone asked me, why did you name the book f the polls? And I've learned how to use clickbait because that's what I vlogged for a year too, right? And Logan said to me, mom, you can't name this book something boring. You just can't do it. And he was, like, pacing in his kitchen, and he's like, I got it. Like, what? He's like, f the Pauls. And I almost fainted. Like, I can't put that on a book cover. And then I. So I'm like, let's soften it. And then I started to realize I could soften it with. Written by their mother. But we are in that era of people yelling, f the Pauls. Like, literally saying, f the Pauls. And us being able to now laugh at that and. And the boys spinning that narrative off into their multimillion dollar businesses.
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Michael Bostic
You know, it's so funny. We were talking in prep. We prep for all these shows and talk amongst ourselves and with the team, and we were talking about your family in particular, and what I was pointing out. I was like, for whatever reason, you guys have been at the center of a lot of criticism, but if you look at the careers the boys have done, a relative, like, they. They. They've not really had real. Like, I don't see them harming people. I don't see them having bad messages. I clearly, they're both athletes, I mean, Logan, I mean, they both box. Two of the most famous and proficient boxers in the history of the world are able to do that. Like, whenever I see them boxing, and I grew up boxing a little bit, I'm like, no, those two can. They can fight. Your sons can fight.
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Lauren Bostic
They're also in. In long term relationships.
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Michael Bostic
They're both in relationships as a kid. And so where do you think a lot of that criticism comes from? Do you think it's fair? Do you think it's been warranted at times? Do you think some of it's just unfair, maybe from success? What do you think that that comes from? Is it intentional?
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Pam Stepnick
I think you nailed it. Every piece of it, honestly. First of all, they have warranted some attention by doing some, you know, strange, crazy things.
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Michael Bostic
Clickbaity things.
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Pam Stepnick
That too. But when they have done the things that they have warranted some criticism, it wasn't intentionally meant.
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Michael Bostic
When they've owned up to it to
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Pam Stepnick
hurt people, and they owned up to it and they suffered the consequences of it. And they paused and they learned and they found out how to be better. You know, a lot of people would have run the other direction and just went back home with their tail between their legs, and they just didn't do that. They learned how to grow and be better and reinvent themselves continually. So, yes, some of the criticism was warranted to the degree. Absolutely not. I will stand up to that. I don't care what they've done. They do not deserve the degree of criticism. And it continues today, Most of it. They can perpetuate it, too. Kind of what you said. Do they, like, play into it? Absolutely. Jake's got the necklace f the Pauls. It's all diamonds.
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Michael Bostic
Well, listen, I grew up as a huge WWF before it was wwf. And there are such a thing as a heel.
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Lauren Bostic
Yes.
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Michael Bostic
Where you got to learn how to do. So, like there is playing to the crowd and the camera.
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Pam Stepnick
Logan is totally the heel. He walks out in Cleveland and calls everybody a bunch of blah, blah, blah, like things that make me go, do
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Michael Bostic
you know what the heel is, Lauren?
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Lauren Bostic
I don't know what the heel is.
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Michael Bostic
Well, it's. In wrestling, there's got to be a good guy and a bad guy. Like at. Sometimes the Rock was a good guy, sometimes he was a bad guy. Right. And so you got to learn to play.
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Lauren Bostic
I like that in a marriage, too. A lot of people forget I'd like a heel.
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Pam Stepnick
Yeah.
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Michael Bostic
But a lot of people forget he's the heel. The Rock started his career as being the heel, right. He was the guy. Now he's one of the biggest movie stars in the world.
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Pam Stepnick
In the world.
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Michael Bostic
And so, yeah, I asked that because I wondered from your perspective that. But also how you managed that as a family and also as a mother. When people are talking poorly about your children, it's really hard.
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Pam Stepnick
It's really hard to navigate that. Again, they teach me. I have had to follow their lead with that because as a mama bear, and I am very. I can be a mama bear, like to the point of I will punch your face if I think it's warranted. I have done that. But it's. When you're gonna hurt my kids. Not cause you're saying something mean. But I feel that it is really difficult to handle that. You just have to realize where it's coming from. So one of your questions I think was, you know, how do I deal with that hate? I have to go internally and realize it's coming from people that are sitting behind keyboards. They have no idea who my kids are. I know who they are. And that's really all that matters, is that the people around them and the people that matter and love them know who they are because they are not who they are portrayed online much of the time. And I do write in the book at the end, I thought, well, this is a little egotistical. But I did want to end it because there is a lot of negative of what we've been through. Their experiences, my experiences, their mom, lawsuits, FBI, you know, all that stuff. And I, at the end of the book wrote out literally all their accolades. And since this book has come out, there's like a whole nother list for both of them. And those are the things that's boring news. You know, would you rather see a headline that says, you know, Jake saved animals on the side of the road or. Or the FBI was at his house. You know, who's going to. Who's going to look at that? And that you just. I hate to say this, but a lot of it does come from jealousy from people.
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Michael Bostic
Well, I guess, you know, the reason I wanted to ask that is we have done this show and have put ourselves out in a public lane, not. Not to the same degree for a long time. And so I'm always a bit sympathetic who put themselves out there and catch flock that I deem to. That we deem to be maybe unfair at times. Right. And I think, listen, it comes with the territory. Everybody that does something publicly or creates something like, unless they're being delusional like that is par for the course. You're going to catch some flak. But to your point, I think some of it's just been unfair and they've done a lot of great things. Okay. As a follow up for people with young kids, ourselves included, their children are starting to say, hey, I want to pick up a phone, I want to film a video, I want to put myself online. What are some of the things you would caution parents against?
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Pam Stepnick
It's very heavily in this book because it's basically why I wrote it. I felt like a little bit of an obligation as a parent that's been through it with two of them, the most polarizing and controversial digital creators. I should put it out there because we didn't have a book, we didn't have a, you know, like you say, Dr. Spock and all those books, you know, that you can write them. But until you go through the experience yourself, like I'm not a PhD, I can't tell you all the effects of social media on the brain. But I can tell you from experience, which I think is really important. And I do think that every child nowadays, they do not want to be doctors and nurses and firemen and accountants and they want to be either in the tech world or creators, digital creators, gamers, anything to be famous. And the Internet and fame is very dangerous. I'm here to tell you, it's really hard on your mental health. My biggest thing for parents is, and especially your kids coming up is you have to know who they're. This is an age old thing, right? Who they're hanging out with, who their influences are, who they're talking to online. It can't be behind closed doors. Oh yeah, you just go play your video games and you know, have it in front of you. Put time limits, tell them what they can and can't do. Restrictions as they get older, contracts. You want this much time, you know, to do your TikTok or if you even want them to do that. Jake's advice would be just don't let your kids on social media. Logan has a much different perspective, but it's, yeah, you sign this contract, you get, I don't know, I'm making this up right at the moment, but like you get all A's, you get this much time, you, I start to see your grades go down. You know, your time on the Internet's gonna go down too. But those, those watchful eyes. It sounds really simple, but I know a lot of parents don't do it. Parents are busy. They have careers, moms, dads, are working, trying to keep the house going. They don't. It's time consuming, but it's critical. It's literally critical because the mental health effects. You get bullied, you get harassed. You know, how do. How do they take criticism? Like, even. How do your own kids take criticism? If you're noticing that they're really, really a sensitive kind of person, you either need to nurture that in a different direction, or I wouldn't put them on. You know, make your kid a. I don't know what are the creator like that, you know, as a child creator. It's too soon. It's. It's not okay.
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Lauren Bostic
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Michael Bostic
You were the first wave of parents that basically experienced their children growing up on social platforms. And before, when we were talking off air, my parents did not have to experience that because Lauren and I did not get social media and smartphones until we got out of.
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Lauren Bostic
I was in a chat room, though, at 13, pretending to sex with guys as a joke with me and all my friends.
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Pam Stepnick
Like, I love this story.
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Lauren Bostic
I wasn't actually, like, sexting. I was pretending like I was using my words. Yeah. As a blogger, before I was.
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Michael Bostic
We had, like, aol.
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Lauren Bostic
Yeah. I feel like I'm so hot for you, Bob.
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Pam Stepnick
Michael, what do you think?
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Michael Bostic
I was in those chat rooms, too. Maybe I was.
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Pam Stepnick
You were bomb. Okay.
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Michael Bostic
No, but I mean, we. You know, we had Jonathan Haidt on this podcast. He wrote the Anxious Generation, and we've been talking about this subject. And a lot of. I think I empathize with parents of your generation who were the first wave, who didn't even realize what these tools were and what they were. You kind of maybe figured it out. We now have built businesses on these. And I think I resonate with Jake in the way where he's saying, keep him off social media because you learn what these tools are. And, you know, sometimes Lauren and I will go and speak at schools and colleges, and what I always say to the students is like, are you using these things as a tool or as a blind consumer? And if you fall in the blind consumer lane, then you might want to
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Pam Stepnick
think about, cut your screen time.
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Michael Bostic
Because a lot of the. A lot of the people that we know that have made livings, they've learned how to really detach and use these for what they are, which is tools and connection points.
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Pam Stepnick
Correct.
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Michael Bostic
But they're not sitting there mindlessly consuming all day long. And I think that's a really dangerous pit that people can fall into if they're not careful.
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Pam Stepnick
It really is. There's all this, you know, comparison is the thief of joy type thing going on. Like, you can just lose yourself in thinking you're supposed to be this way, that way. I mean, we all can do it. Even at my age, like, oh, my gosh, am I fit enough? Did I do my Pilates enough? Did I. Am I using the right Makeup. Do I? You know, you can get into that and you have to. I love that you said that to the kids because if you use it as a tool, it's amazing. It's really amazing. But it also can be really, really detrimental.
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Lauren Bostic
You mentioned grades earlier about straight A's. I have to ask this. Are we really are moving forward? Do you think that we should focus on grades? No, I know this is like I, I inner dialogue with myself where, like, I, I don't really feel that I'm that concerned about grades. Is that bad as a parent?
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Pam Stepnick
No, it's not bad. You want them to do their personal best. And we had this issue in our house. Logan, 4.7 student.
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Lauren Bostic
Oh.
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Pam Stepnick
Loved school.
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Lauren Bostic
Wow.
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Pam Stepnick
Jake, class clown, could care less. Yeah, he didn't care. He was busy making jokes and videos and the teachers criticized him. Why aren't you more like Logan? And he then took even a more negative view right towards school. He's lashed out against teachers even in the last few years, like, you know, like, ha, ha. And teachers still mention him at the school. I've been told, mention Jake and Logan. So I go back to saying, have your child do what they can do best. Every child is different. And everybody, every child is communicated with different. I could say something to Logan that, there's no way I could say that to Jake and it's even today, or vice versa, because they take things in more. They take things in very differently. Logan can take all the criticism in the world. Jake internalizes it a little bit more and it bothers him a little bit more.
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Lauren Bostic
It's so funny. We have the same kind of children. I know exactly what you're saying. You have to, you have to, like, almost make it more digestible for one child.
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Pam Stepnick
Right. I call it Jake speak and Logan speak.
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Lauren Bostic
Yeah.
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Pam Stepnick
And that's just how it is. And you have to learn to do that. And a lot of parents really don't. They treat all their kids the same. And, you know, again, I'll go back to the grade thing. Their dad was insisting that Jake couldn't play football unless he got bees. And I'm like, he's really good at football. He doesn't care about school. And I was the same way. I was a gymnast, could care less about school. I wanted to do my gymnastics and have my boyfriends and my friends. But. So you can't put that restriction on every child. And I think that the whole school subject is a whole nother beast, honestly, because it's like we're in a. I don't Know like we're being led around to do certain things that maybe a lot of kids don't learn like that.
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Lauren Bostic
If you could homeschool knowing everything you know now. And when Jake and Logan have. Schools have changed too now would you homeschool?
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Pam Stepnick
I don't know if I'm smart enough to homeschool. Not.
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Lauren Bostic
You yourself would. If you were you right now, today, with, with.
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Pam Stepnick
I would send Logan to school and Jake homeschool.
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Lauren Bostic
So you would, you would curate it for each child.
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Pam Stepnick
I would, yeah.
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Michael Bostic
And I, you know, to your, like, I was terrible in school. I was kicked out of.
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Lauren Bostic
Never seen worse.
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Michael Bostic
Like probably same thing.
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Pam Stepnick
And I, and I never, I can relate.
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Michael Bostic
Cared about school.
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Pam Stepnick
Yep.
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Michael Bostic
I was always social. I always was self motivated. You know, I've worked for myself since as long as I can remember.
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Pam Stepnick
Yep.
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Michael Bostic
But I was terrible in school and I was, you know, every teacher telling my parents, oh, this guy's big problem. Never gonna make my sister straight A's.
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Pam Stepnick
Right.
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Michael Bostic
And so I always felt as a student like a little bit lost because I was being told all the time that I was no good. Right. And I think that in that environment, when I look back, if I see that happening to one of my kids, I'm like, maybe it created some grit, but also was probably not great for the development.
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Pam Stepnick
It wasn't great for your development or your self esteem because you might always question yourself, am I good enough? Am I? Am I? Am I? But it does create a little bit of I'm gonna prove them wrong.
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Michael Bostic
Yeah, for sure.
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Pam Stepnick
And that's kind of where the title comes from. Like when people say that Logan and Jake, they both want to. And Jake even more wants to prove that people are wrong. And so it can create that a little bit. But it's a fine line. I mean, telling kids that you're not going to succeed. And I just don't understand that concept. I understand positivity. And you have to. Again, I go back to know how each of your child, each of your children has a heart to take in what you say to them. You have to know how to do
- [29:21]
Michael Bostic
it as a family. You guys have obviously shared the, the divorce and obviously you're very differing styles and raising the kids. Looking back, what would you change if you could change anything? Or, or. And what, and what would you tell parents now as it relates to raising their kids and thinking about different parenting styles?
- [29:43]
Pam Stepnick
Divorced or married or. Because there is a difference. I feel like, I feel like I would not change anything because look where we are.
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Michael Bostic
Right.
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Pam Stepnick
And again, I Used my faith to say, God has a plan for us all and he executes it. We just do our best. I think that as divorced parents, it would have been nice. And of course, no one likes controversy, but our divorce was very, very bad in those first formative years of the kids development. They were like 7 and 9. And I think that we could have done better if we had been a little bit more cohesive. We had the same goal for them, but we just handled it very different. But somehow the alchemy of both of our parenting led to where we are. I don't think it's bad that one parent's different than the other. Like, I'm the softie. I'm the pushover more. And Greg was more the grit and the, you're a man and this is what you have to do. And, you know, he was much, much tougher on them. You know, he was more physical with them, he was more verbal with them. And while I don't love that, I think that it's okay if your parents have different styles. I think you have to work together as parents, though. And that's where the issue comes in. Because if the parents aren't seeing and getting along, that's a problem. And you have to put your kids first.
- [31:18]
Lauren Bostic
Why was it rough? And I know you talk about this in the book, but why, looking back, if you could tell the audience a little bit about why it was rough in those formative years?
- [31:26]
Pam Stepnick
Because again, I'm a pushover and very different, and I'm a much different person today than I was back then. And I let kind of Greg just walk all over me and walk all over us. And I finally had to, like, get away from him to develop my own best self. Put your oxygen on first.
- [31:47]
Lauren Bostic
Yeah, Right.
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Pam Stepnick
So it's that. That type of thing. And I think that I don't have any proof of this, but I think by the age of 12, whatever your kids are kind of developing into is who their core being is going to be. And they're watching you, your kids and young ages. They're watching how you two interact with each other.
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Lauren Bostic
My daughter is a reporter.
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Pam Stepnick
There you go.
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Lauren Bostic
She's six. She's a reporter.
- [32:17]
Pam Stepnick
I love that.
- [32:18]
Lauren Bostic
I cannot get away with anything.
- [32:20]
Pam Stepnick
Right?
- [32:20]
Lauren Bostic
She is literally. I went to the bathroom the other day. I didn't even tell you this. And I was like on the phone going pee.
- [32:26]
Pam Stepnick
I love the reporter.
- [32:28]
Lauren Bostic
And I. I opened the door and the ear is to the door.
- [32:32]
Pam Stepnick
I'm not.
- [32:33]
Lauren Bostic
Fell into the bathroom because she was leaning against the Door. And I said to my dad, oh, the reporter's at the door. They are, they are. Like, it's crazy too. Even, like, even the three year old, they watch everything you do. It's a lot of pressure.
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Michael Bostic
No, I think it's a lot of pressure. It's a good point. And we are lucky. Speak to people like yourself and others on this show where it's a reminder. And I think sometimes, and you see this with some kids, the, the kids reach a point of almost no return. It's like they're already set by the time they're 15, 16, 17. Like if they have these habits and these behaviors and these personalities, like, it's going to be really difficult change. But in these formative years, we talk about that a lot. Like, even sometimes if we, you know, like any marriage, if you start bickering or getting into some with each other, like we'll look at each other and say, okay, we gotta.
- [33:17]
Lauren Bostic
It's always your fault though.
- [33:18]
Michael Bostic
Yeah. I mean, you want to also show like healthy resolution with the kids. But it's something we think about a lot just because we're aware of it. And I think a lot of previous generations maybe just we weren't aware of it at all.
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Pam Stepnick
We didn't have the Internet to teach us a lot of this stuff either. Right. So we didn't really know the kids were paying attention to that. And I think that is. It brings me back to your other question. Like the different households. When I got remarried to David, We've been married 21 years. He is the polar opposite of Greg. He's even opposite of me. He's calm, collected, cool, treats me like a queen. And we, so we led by example.
- [33:56]
Lauren Bostic
He sounds dreamy.
- [33:58]
Pam Stepnick
He's dreamy.
- [33:58]
Lauren Bostic
Yeah.
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Pam Stepnick
So we tried to show them because Greg is all. We just led by example. We didn't talk to, you know, your kids don't listen. By the way, after a certain age, I'm learning. Yeah. After a certain age you're, you're done. You can't. So you do your best. Like now your kids are in that age. You do your best to be your best parents at this age. For sure.
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Lauren Bostic
This is a great question to ask their mother. What is something that you think is misunderstood about each of them separately?
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Pam Stepnick
Recently, Jake has dispelled this myth because of Utah and the Olympics and his reaction and how much it was really portrayed in the news and in the media and the outlets that he has a huge heart. And I do think that Utah has helped people understand that just because he
- [34:56]
Michael Bostic
Got very emotional when she won.
- [34:58]
Pam Stepnick
Right. Plus, he treats her so sweet. And she puts that on her Instagram, too. And I think that's a myth. Like, he gets in the boxing ring and he's like, you know, acting like an idiot and making his opponent mad and saying outrageous things. It's an act. It's a play. He is not like that. When you meet him in person, he's lovely, adorable, huge heart, always wants to help other people. People don't understand that about him at all. Logan. Logan is a very strong, powerful personality. And I think what's out there in the world of him being scamming people and taking advantage and not doing the right things, and I hate that word, but that's. That's what it is. So far from the truth. And it's aggravating. It's really probably one of the things that aggravates me the most about what's being out there in the world today. He is the far. Everything he does, he does it with passion, wants it to be perfect. Every business you start is not going to be, like, perfect. People don't understand that. They hear one thing, and then everyone jumps on the bandwagon. Because the negative is way more fun to get involved in online. Right. With these people. And people just build this up. Some of the myths about prime just not true. It's not, you know, full of red dye colors or whatever they're out there saying. It's just those myths really get me because Logan has put his heart and soul behind certain things. And so that myth is so far from the truth. It's.
- [36:36]
Lauren Bostic
Pam is going to tell you guys the truth over here.
- [36:38]
Pam Stepnick
I'm going to tell you the truth.
- [36:39]
Lauren Bostic
You know what's interesting, too, about them, to me, you would think that they would be womanizers because of all the fame and the riches that they have. And it seems to me that they're actually pretty monogamous.
- [36:50]
Pam Stepnick
Yes. So, yeah, I'm sure they went through their phases when I was not there and, you know, but I was there a lot. Sure.
- [36:55]
Lauren Bostic
But it seems like they got it out of their system. It's not like they're, like, going to be 50 and single and a womanizer.
- [37:01]
Pam Stepnick
Right.
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Lauren Bostic
And they could be.
- [37:02]
Pam Stepnick
Yeah, but they could be. They have women probably throwing. All right. I don't want to make anybody mad, but. But, but. And so do their females, because they're
- [37:11]
Lauren Bostic
also beautiful, you know, people gonna be some pretty grandkids.
- [37:15]
Pam Stepnick
Yes. Well, I have a very beautiful granddaughter, Esme. Yes. She's so darn cute. I. I can't. I. I'm starting to shake because I haven't seen her since Christmas. I'm like. But between the Olympics and the book and traveling around and it's just been really. They are. They want a wife, children and a family. And that makes me so happy because they witnessed what can happen if a marriage doesn't work out. And I'm not saying everybody's is going to be perfect. Who knows what's going to happen, but they really, really want that deep down in their heart.
- [37:53]
Lauren Bostic
That's so interesting. Michael has been off air having an opinion on that. I think maybe what's my opinion? Just. You have talked about how. I don't know how to say this the right way. You. You respect monogamy.
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Michael Bostic
So here's, so here's the thing. Like, I. And there's a lot of these things going viral lately where it's like, there's a. There's a lot of single men without children that reach older age giving a lot of advice to young people like self optimization and sleep habits and financial literacies. And it's kind of like, you know, when all you have to think about is you. Like, to be honest, it's not that hard. It's not, you know, like, if, if all I had to do each day was wake up and like, put a couple coins in the bank and work and take care of my body and sleep good and maybe go on a date or two. Like, it sounds like a pretty easy life. I think a harder thing that I respect as I get older and build my own family and businesses, like, it's, It's a much harder thing and I think much more rewarding to build a family, build a life, take care of, you know, like, raise children and so listen, teach their own. But I think, like, I respect when I see people that have had a lot of success kind of get their priorities right.
- [39:09]
Pam Stepnick
Right.
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Michael Bostic
And it's like, for your sons.
- [39:12]
Pam Stepnick
Yep.
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Michael Bostic
I'm sure they could go and make a few extra dollars and they could get a few extra eyeballs. But I think a harder thing is to stay disciplined, settle down, build a family, build a life. And like, in statement, Algamus, they're disciplined,
- [39:24]
Pam Stepnick
they're resilient, and they work harder than everyone else in the room. And that's like an easy statement to say, but they really, really, really do. They are always, always working. And I think on the monogamy end, it's probably not been easy, but that's what they want. They want that strong relationship and I'd love to say, and I hope that that has come from me because I am not the, you know, tmi like, I was not I monogamous to people my whole life.
- [39:56]
Lauren Bostic
Oh, you heard it here first.
- [39:59]
Pam Stepnick
My body count is pretty low. And I really think.
- [40:02]
Michael Bostic
I'm sure your sons are happy, but that's the headline. Pam's Body Counter.
- [40:05]
Pam Stepnick
Body counter.
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Michael Bostic
Listen, boys. Two body counter mom.
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Pam Stepnick
That's pretty good.
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Lauren Bostic
Yeah. Your sons are like, yes, one was
- [40:10]
Michael Bostic
dad, one was new dad. That's pretty good.
- [40:12]
Pam Stepnick
They do know this and I think that I know they like that. I do. I know. I've heard them, like, talk about, like, yeah, I know that girl. Oh, she's. That it's too much. It's too much. I can't. I can't do it. So I know that that's important. Logan didn't tell you to ask me that, right?
- [40:29]
Lauren Bostic
Towns and bond. My body count is not one. I'm sorry to break to you. Michael's my. Not only my body count.
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Michael Bostic
Yeah, but it's under 10, right?
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Lauren Bostic
Yeah.
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Pam Stepnick
That's pretty good.
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Michael Bostic
See, I caught her early.
- [40:38]
Lauren Bostic
You didn't catch me early.
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Michael Bostic
She was. The numbers were going to start, like, I don't know. The numbers were starting to creep up. So.
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Lauren Bostic
No, no, I, I listen, I like who you want. I was never slutty.
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Michael Bostic
Ever.
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Pam Stepnick
There you go.
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Lauren Bostic
I was not a slutty. I was slutty.
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Pam Stepnick
I kind of wonder what I miss.
- [40:53]
Lauren Bostic
I Slut face.
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Pam Stepnick
Yeah, I missed. I missed the slut face.
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Michael Bostic
I was a little slutty for a
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Lauren Bostic
period, but good, you know, get it out. Get it out of your system.
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Michael Bostic
No, but I guess I think to your, like, it's. I guess, like to round it out, it's. I. As I grow and as I look to examples and of the examples I want my sons to look to is I want them to look to different men that potentially could have it all, but choose to be disciplined and choose to be honorable and choose to kind of live in a way that I
- [41:24]
Lauren Bostic
think is not gluttonous.
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Michael Bostic
Yeah. And because again, like, I think it's a much easier thing to just kind
- [41:30]
Lauren Bostic
of slide into bitches DMs and get their dick sucked into bitches.
- [41:34]
Michael Bostic
But I think, but I think sometimes,
- [41:36]
Pam Stepnick
like, like, it's really easy to do that.
- [41:38]
Lauren Bostic
Say that in front of Logan and Jake's mom.
- [41:41]
Pam Stepnick
You can say anything in front of each other.
- [41:42]
Michael Bostic
Trust me.
- [41:43]
Pam Stepnick
Me, they tell me everything.
- [41:44]
Michael Bostic
There's a lot of these things. There's a lot of men right now. I think Taking advantage of young men, giving them messages that I think will lead the majority of those young men astray. Right. Like, a lot of the people kind of preaching, make all this fast money and be with all these women. You know, it's like the majority of men, that's just not going to happen for.
- [42:01]
Pam Stepnick
Right.
- [42:01]
Michael Bostic
And one day you're going to look around, you say, wait a minute, I'm 40, 50 years old and I haven't settled down, and I don't have a family, and I, like, have wasted a lot of my life away.
- [42:09]
Pam Stepnick
Right. And what in your. By yourself? I can't even imagine being alone. Like, I don't understand that at all. Like, good or bad, try to make something work. I mean, work towards it and having relationships, that's what life's all about.
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Michael Bostic
Yeah. Not to mention as. As, again, as you get older, like, there's so many. It's so hard to just build a business, build a family, raise good kids. If. If every day you're with a different person like that, that kind of stress just seems.
- [42:38]
Pam Stepnick
Yeah, that's not good.
- [42:40]
Lauren Bostic
How has your son's discipline rubbed off on you as their mother? Wow.
- [42:46]
Pam Stepnick
That's the first question or time I've ever been asked that question. How. You know, when I. It has helped me write my book because it was in vlog when I started vlogging. Jake is like, mom, I think you'd be really funny. You should try it. I'm like, wow, I need to bust out of my, like, you know, playing tennis and, I don't know, cleaning the house, and I need to do something grander. And so I did, and that helped me to develop something new that I would never Step out of your comfort zone. Take a risk. And that's how the book came about, too. Like, yeah, anyone could say, yeah, I should write a book. This is a great story. But to actually buckle down and do it, it took discipline. And I watch them, and they amaze me. I mean, they really do. Sometimes I just sit back and I listen to them, like on a podcast or at a business meeting, talking at colleges. And I am like, wow, I'm so impressed. And it's not. I don't feel like it has anything to do with me. I was just seriously blessed with kids who have learned and taken it all in and processed it. Processed it and made it into something. So I'm taking more risks. I don't know if that answered your question, but I'm stepping outside of my comfort zone. I've always been pretty disciplined. I mean, I'm a nurse. I went through schooling and stayed on track and wasn't a slut. And I'm pretty disciplined so I have that. It runs in our family I guess, but seeing them take risks. So why not do it myself?
- [44:30]
Lauren Bostic
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Pam Stepnick
Well, I think some of it is still the manifestation process.
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Lauren Bostic
Ah, I love this. I know you're a big manifester.
- [50:37]
Pam Stepnick
I researched you.
- [50:39]
Lauren Bostic
Let's talk about that.
- [50:39]
Pam Stepnick
I'm a big manifester. I about talked, taught my dad taught me, I taught them. They've taken it to new heights and new levels and I think it's, you know, Jake gets up in the morning is one example. When he's In Puerto Rico. And he's, you know, honed in.
- [50:55]
Lauren Bostic
Right.
- [50:56]
Pam Stepnick
Camp for fighting or what? What not whatever he's doing, but he goes outside, he looks up to the sky, stands real tall and erect. He looks up into the sun. He gets his vitamins D, starts doing some of his breath work and then goes through that ritual of mindfulness, which I definitely have much harder time being the meditating and doing that type of thing, sitting in red light therapy in his hyperbaric chamber. And that takes a lot of discipline and calmness in the breath work. Because Jake has an anxiety issue. He has a lot of anxiety, which I can see why their lives they lead, you know, And Logan is a little more carefree, I think, like right when he gets up. But they do. And that has changed since having a baby. Obviously you're getting up a lot earlier, but it's spending time with his family and kind of that's just so wonderful to see. But Logan is constantly working, which actually can be annoying when you're with him is he's on his phone taking care of this and that and this and that and these and those and doing this and that. But he also can multitask, which amazes me. I don't know how he does it. It's. I don't know if it's good, but. And he does it all well. So those are like two things. I hopefully answered your question.
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Lauren Bostic
Yeah.
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Pam Stepnick
That kind of are like, wow, that's. That's pretty impressive and pretty incredible.
- [52:29]
Lauren Bostic
What would Nina and Utah. Is that how you pronounce her name?
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Pam Stepnick
Utah?
- [52:33]
Lauren Bostic
Utah.
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Pam Stepnick
Yes.
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Lauren Bostic
Is that right?
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Pam Stepnick
Yes.
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Lauren Bostic
Okay. How would they describe you as a mother in law?
- [52:38]
Pam Stepnick
Fantastic. I'm lovely.
- [52:40]
Lauren Bostic
I could see that your energy is really good.
- [52:42]
Pam Stepnick
Aw, thanks. And I think they feel that way. I'm sure there's times when they've been mad at me about something who isn't going to be. But I think I'm very blessed with my kids, our mama's boys. And I think the girls recognize that and they like that.
- [52:59]
Lauren Bostic
Play that clip for my daughter in law.
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Pam Stepnick
There you go. Because how your boys treat their mom, how they're going to treat you is really important. If I would have looked at that before I married Greg, we would have might had a different story. Not that I'm glad this didn't happen because it did. But if your sons treat their moms well, their mom well, hopefully that the girls that they choose are going to like that and not be jealous of it. And I don't insert myself if I'm asked. I will. But I am not that mom that's nagging over the boys and trying to get their attention away from the women. I am, like, supportive of those relationships, and I think the girls appreciate that. That's a great question, and I'd love to ask them.
- [53:52]
Michael Bostic
Switching lanes a bit. You mentioned earlier that a lot of kids these days, they don't aspire to be engineers or, you know, pilots or fire. They aspire to be creators.
- [54:02]
Pam Stepnick
Yep.
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Michael Bostic
What is something after experiencing fame as a family and for your children that you would caution people against? Maybe, you know, we glamorize that kind of attention, but some things that you guys have had to navigate as a family as. As the platform have grown, well, it's
- [54:17]
Pam Stepnick
definitely not all glamorous. There are so many wonderful sides to it, but there's also so many pitfalls and dangers out there, and I think I would prioritize. Like I said before, and I'm going to say it again, because it's really important, is the mental health aspect. Are you able to be consistent, to be disciplined, to be resilient? And you as parents or anyone else's parents who have kids that are talking like they want to do this, I think it's up to the parents to look at that child and say, yeah, they have what it takes, or, you know, what they don't. And if they don't have what it takes, you have to be very strategic in how you steer them away, like, into something else. And I can't think of an example maybe right now, but. All right, you might not want to go on camera and start talking because people are going to make fun of your pimples or your funny hair or whatever. Well, maybe you say, you know, but you like music. Let's try music as a outlet type thing and give them different options, because mental health and faith, I think, are really, really key, and especially in today's world. So I would also ask them if they think they could see themselves doing it. Any kind of thing, whether it's gaming or, you know, having a. Having a podcast. Can you see yourself doing that forever?
- [55:45]
Michael Bostic
Yeah. Well, your sons have reached a level that it's not. It's not possible to turn it off now. Right.
- [55:52]
Pam Stepnick
Like, correct.
- [55:52]
Michael Bostic
And we talk about this all the time. There's different. There's different levels where, you know, maybe you get a little bit of attention, but it's. It's not so much where if you, like, like, decided, hey, this isn't for me, you could step back. But if you go too far with It. Not in a bad way, but, like, if you reach the level your sons have, like, there's no turning back. So then the rest of your life, if you're out, you're being scrutinized, people are taking pictures. People are coming up to you. People are commenting on your family, on your. On your marriages, on your children. There's no way around it.
- [56:17]
Pam Stepnick
Right.
- [56:18]
Michael Bostic
And so I think about that a lot because for children especially, that maybe look to a platform like that and say, hey, that's. For me, like, it comes with a cost. And to your point, there's a lot
- [56:29]
Pam Stepnick
of great things, but it's a cautionary tale for sure. And I think you just made me think of something as. As parents. Point that out. Take someone like Jake or like Logan or. I don't know what other good examples
- [56:42]
Michael Bostic
there are, but the Kardashians.
- [56:44]
Pam Stepnick
I was gonna say that, but I left it to you guys. But it's true. Look at all the scrutiny that they all get. Like, we have been compared to that family in a different level. Like, we're not the wealthy Kardashians. We're the.
- [56:55]
Lauren Bostic
You guys are doing all right.
- [56:56]
Michael Bostic
You guys are doing all right.
- [56:57]
Pam Stepnick
We're doing all right. But it's. Look at that. Like, show them the example and go, just remember, you know, think about this as you get older. Is this what you want? Your privacy is gone. It's out the window. And Greg and I have kind of decided to embrace that rather than hide from it. A lot of parents of kids that are in the spotlight, no matter if it's an actor or musician, that you don't see them out there on social media, they're in hiding. We're more outgoing, and we've decided to kind of embrace it. And I think part of that was the HBO show. We didn't really have choice. We kind of had to go along with it if. And I don't mean we were forced. We were like. We embraced it. We said, okay, they're already gonna put. We are already out there. Let's just put it all out there. Let's be real transparent and show people that not everything is hunky dory.
- [57:51]
Michael Bostic
Yep.
- [57:51]
Pam Stepnick
Because it's not.
- [57:52]
Michael Bostic
I think we live in a time now where fortunately, the person has a bit more control. Meaning, like, you know, we talked to a lot of celebrities that maybe came up in the 80s and 90s on this show or before, and. And they were really at the mercy of a lot of publications and tabloids, and they didn't really have a mouthpiece. To answer now. I think a lot of people can't. Like you can get on your own podcast and answer, but there's that. But. But yeah, I, I look at a lot of some of those people, to your point, and I'm like, man, that. That's a lot. Can't go out anywhere without just.
- [58:25]
Pam Stepnick
It's debilitating. Logan, like I feel like deals with it a little bit differently, I don't think. You know, they have security.
- [58:34]
Michael Bostic
Of course you have to.
- [58:34]
Pam Stepnick
Right. Jake can't go anywhere, like anywhere. They do love Puerto Rico for that though, a bit because it is a little bit more toned down and people are a little calmer and where they live. Like a lot of people have a lot of things and so they don't look at Jake and Logan as. But then they still kind of do. But they don't bug them about it and they don't come up to him and constantly, you know, take. Want to take pictures and this and that. Another thing about Jake and Logan is though, they truly adore their fans and they will always stop if they can and embrace the fans and take pictures. They're never like. Like some of those celebrities you see or I've seen professional athletes just be awful to people, you know, like they're so much better. They. They don't come across as so much better than their fans.
- [59:21]
Michael Bostic
Who was Shia LaBeouf just attacking the other day? Mike. Mike Piazza. Did you see that? There was a clip of him when he. Cuz Shia LaBeouf just did this show.
- [59:28]
Pam Stepnick
Okay.
- [59:28]
Michael Bostic
And said Mike P. He would go out to the stadium for like 90, 90 different times trying to get Mike Piazza's autograph. Who wouldn't give it to me. Like it was going. But yeah, no, and I know and insane like to. On our platform, like if people that we meet like that, that's kind of the reason you want to do it. You want to connect with people. But I think you reach a certain point in security and all you have people that are maybe bad actors that are coming for the wrong reasons and it's. It's scary.
- [59:52]
Pam Stepnick
It is a little bit scary. And you know, it hasn't happened. Knock on wood too. A little here and there. But most people who are yelling eff the balls. If they actually see them in person, they're like, hey, can I get a picnic? Hey. You know, or if you answer them back, yeah, that's right. You know, and then they just laugh and they're in person, they're fans. Haters are actually really kind of fans. In disguise, in a way.
- [60:20]
Lauren Bostic
Fine line.
- [60:21]
Pam Stepnick
It's a very fine line.
- [60:22]
Lauren Bostic
Where is your relationship with your ex Greg, now? Today?
- [60:27]
Pam Stepnick
Great. I could call him right now and say. And he hasn't said a word about the book. Nothing about any of the. The backlash out there over it. He hasn't said a word. I don't know if he's just trying to ignore it.
- [60:38]
Lauren Bostic
Greg, let's get a selfie with you with the book.
- [60:40]
Pam Stepnick
Yeah, let's do that. Well, I've wanted to, but I didn't know I actually was going to give him a signed copy. But Logan's like, I don't know if that's a right time to do that. And I'm like, but I should. It's about him, too. So despite all the past, we can still come together. Recent couple of incidents. Incidents. We've come together and we've been on the phone hour, hour and a half.
- [61:03]
Lauren Bostic
Are you doing Thanksgiving together?
- [61:04]
Pam Stepnick
Yes, we've done Thanksgiving together. I mean, I think Paul American kind of. That's why softened it. But we are. Is Nina, to her credit, was like, look, you have one grandkid, and if you both want to come to Christmas, both come to Christmas. I'm not doing Christmas over here and Christmas over there. It's about our grandkid, and I'm all for that. I think Greg has a little bit more trouble with that, but he's learning and he's settling down. He's getting older. And I think he's realizing that he's going to have to cooperate if he wants to be cohesive. And I've always wanted that. My parents had a very nasty divorce, but at the end, we did all Christmases and birthdays together and their spouses liked each other and everybody ended up being friends. And I think that's really important. And I do believe that we are very still much a family. I still consider Greg a family. I don't know what he does, but I promote that. So hopefully that that just resonates and keeps resonating with them. We do still want the same thing for the boys.
- [62:15]
Michael Bostic
You guys, you have two children together.
- [62:16]
Pam Stepnick
Yeah. And we still worry about them the same way.
- [62:19]
Lauren Bostic
Before you go, you have to tell us why you crossed off Paul.
- [62:23]
Pam Stepnick
That was Logan's idea.
- [62:24]
Lauren Bostic
She crossed off Paul on the book.
- [62:27]
Pam Stepnick
That was definitely Logan's idea. Because it's funny.
- [62:29]
Lauren Bostic
Yeah, I think it is.
- [62:30]
Pam Stepnick
It's comical and just the whole, like, the whole thing is so creative and eye catching that, you know, if you walked past a book and it was that on the shelf versus don't read the comments, which was what I was gonna name it. You know, what are you gonna do? You're gonna look at that and pick it up and see what it's about.
- [62:51]
Lauren Bostic
You know how I'm gonna make you pose with me and Michael right after this?
- [62:54]
Pam Stepnick
Giving the finger the exact same thing. Oh, the exact same way. I love that.
- [62:58]
Lauren Bostic
Yeah. Let's see which one I have to be. I have to be. I think I have to.
- [63:01]
Pam Stepnick
Who's taller?
- [63:02]
Lauren Bostic
Jake. Because of my good side.
- [63:04]
Michael Bostic
She wants to pick a side.
- [63:05]
Pam Stepnick
Okay, that's good. So, yeah.
- [63:07]
Michael Bostic
After writing the book, what do you hope the people. The main takeaways are for the book? What do you hope people get out of it?
- [63:12]
Pam Stepnick
I think I like, like the fact I'll go back to my toolboxes about manifestation, about faith, about listening to your kids, not letting your fear get in the way. Realizing that, like, success isn't final and failure isn't fatal, that's just so important. And I think taking care of yourself as individuals, as parents, is really, really important. Like, I know you guys are into fitness and take, you know, the. The supplements and skin care, and I love that. I mean, I'm so into that. Like, and I play tennis and do Pilates, and I. I want. I didn't put that as much in the book. However, if I do a sequel, it's gonna. It's gonna definitely come back up. But I want people to take care of themselves, and I want them to really. Our generation of kids, yours and coming up, they need a lot of attention. You would think, not because of the.
- [64:09]
Lauren Bostic
The.
- [64:10]
Pam Stepnick
The little box that everyone's. They do. They need a lot of attention. And if you don't give it to them, guess where they're going to turn.
- [64:17]
Lauren Bostic
I've heard a parent say this the other day, that when your kids become teenagers, they'll, like, shut the door on your face. And. And you go to their room and you try to connect with them, and they'll shut the door on your face. And what the parent says, we have to keep coming back. Even though they shut the door. Shut the door, shut the door. You have to keep coming back.
- [64:32]
Pam Stepnick
And.
- [64:33]
Lauren Bostic
And that kind of gets through to the them.
- [64:35]
Pam Stepnick
Absolutely. And I. And I, again, my kids never did that with me. They were never disrespectful.
- [64:43]
Michael Bostic
I will take the door off the wall.
- [64:46]
Pam Stepnick
That is what their dad.
- [64:47]
Michael Bostic
They will not have a door if they do that. You.
- [64:49]
Pam Stepnick
You can't let them do that. That's just disrespectful. And you take the door off. That's perfect. No locks.
- [64:54]
Lauren Bostic
Take the door off.
- [64:55]
Pam Stepnick
Take the door off.
- [64:56]
Lauren Bostic
I don't love that aesthetic though.
- [64:57]
Pam Stepnick
But it would be temporary because they're going to learn and you can even make deals with them.
- [65:02]
Lauren Bostic
Maybe a curtain.
- [65:03]
Pam Stepnick
I'll let you shut the door, you know, while you're getting dressed. I'll let you. But you're not going to get on your phone or the Internet behind closed doors, you know. What are you sneaking around in there like my kids were. I laughed at your podcast. We're talking about the food and the bed.
- [65:18]
Lauren Bostic
Oh yeah. Do you do food in the bed?
- [65:20]
Pam Stepnick
No.
- [65:20]
Michael Bostic
Why?
- [65:21]
Pam Stepnick
My kids weren't even allowed to bring a glass of water upstairs.
- [65:24]
Lauren Bostic
Butter toast every night in the bed?
- [65:26]
Pam Stepnick
No.
- [65:27]
Michael Bostic
I sit there wiping the bed. I left so hard.
- [65:31]
Lauren Bostic
I love to eat in the bed. There's actually. What is a better pleasure than sitting in bed with a tray? We had a friend with your magazine and your show.
- [65:39]
Pam Stepnick
See, I don't like that.
- [65:40]
Michael Bostic
We had a friend of ours.
- [65:41]
Pam Stepnick
I stand up to eat half the time.
- [65:42]
Michael Bostic
Same. I think it's actually good for your digestion. Yeah, I think it's good for you too.
- [65:46]
Pam Stepnick
Yeah.
- [65:47]
Michael Bostic
We had a friend the other day. I won't say who. They. They sent us a picture of their bedroom and it's two big beds next to each other. So they're still co sleeping.
- [65:55]
Pam Stepnick
Same room. Co sleeping. They can jump from bed to bed.
- [65:58]
Michael Bostic
Yeah. And they have their own set of sheets and blankets. And I was like, maybe if you want to do that then you can have your own crummy bed and I'll have the clean one.
- [66:05]
Lauren Bostic
Make sure it's a Houston mattress. I want the. I want the best mattress. Creme de la creme. Don't put some shitty mattress next to it.
- [66:10]
Michael Bostic
Well, we'll figure it out. Yeah. So I. That could be a solution. Cuz I don't. I can't stand those.
- [66:14]
Lauren Bostic
Where can everyone find you, Pam to say hi, pimp yourself out. Where's your book available? Out.
- [66:19]
Pam Stepnick
So currently it's on Amazon.com I also have a website f the pauls.com and it will also. It's my like landing page for the book and it will take you to Amazon. There's audio, which I don't promote. I mean a lot of people gravitate towards audio. I didn't realize this. Yeah.
- [66:36]
Lauren Bostic
Yeah.
- [66:36]
Pam Stepnick
Because I. I'm one of those people that picks up the book in the airport or the bookstore. I still love it. But it's on audio. It's on ebook and currently in Amazon. We'll see if I do bookstores. We're gonna. I don't know.
- [66:48]
Lauren Bostic
Congratulations on your book, on your sons, on your granddaughter, on everything. You must feel so fulfilled.
- [66:56]
Pam Stepnick
I am very fulfilled. I'm very blessed. I'm very fortunate. Full of gratitude, attitude with gratitude and positivity. And I'll stress that at the end of this is, we all have to remain positive because we are in a crazy world.
- [67:11]
Michael Bostic
Well, thank you for making the trip. We got to thank Lucas Mack for setting this up.
- [67:14]
Pam Stepnick
Thank you.
- [67:15]
Michael Bostic
Thank you.
- [67:15]
Pam Stepnick
Lucas.
- [67:15]
Michael Bostic
Lucas, you got to come on yourself, too.