Paris Hilton: The Truth Behind The Persona — Fame, Trauma, & Reclaiming Her Story

Summary

The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show

Episode: Paris Hilton: The Truth Behind The Persona — Fame, Trauma, & Reclaiming Her Story

Release Date: January 26, 2026
Hosts: Lauryn Bosstick & Michael Bosstick
Guest: Paris Hilton

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Episode Overview

This episode features an unfiltered, heartfelt conversation with Paris Hilton—media icon, entrepreneur, mother, and advocate. The hosts and Paris dive deep beyond the pop culture persona to discuss the realities of being a pioneer in branding and fame, the effects of ADHD, surviving the cruelty of early tabloid culture, trauma from her experiences at Provo Canyon School, and how she’s using her voice for change. It’s a reflective journey on reclaiming her story and legacy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Paris Hilton as a Pioneer of Influencer Culture

• Lauryn credits Paris as laying the groundwork for modern personal branding and influencer culture.
  • Paris: “I feel that in my whole life, I’ve always been ahead of my time, and it’s something that’s just in my DNA. It all really happened very authentically.” (01:40)
• Paris never intentionally set out to create a blueprint, but her authenticity and risk-taking made her a cultural trailblazer.
• Michael remarks that Paris has always been "one of one," doing things uniquely and confidently. (03:26)

ADHD as a Superpower

• Paris discusses the challenges and hidden strengths associated with ADHD and RSD (Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria).
  • Paris: “I wouldn’t be the entrepreneur I am today without it. It gives me this drive and always being in the future.” (04:14)
  • On RSD: “It’s like physical pain… It’s almost like a demon in your mind… I didn’t even know what this was before, but now I know.” (05:44)
• She reframes ADHD as a gift. Lauryn shares how Paris inspired her to learn more about her own diagnosis.

Surviving Tabloid Culture and Media Cruelty

• Paris recalls the brutality of 2000s tabloid culture, specifically how damaging it was to young women.
  • Paris: “The media was so cruel, especially to young women. What happened back then would not be tolerated today… To go through that and survive… is a feat in itself.” (07:28)
• The lack of social media made it impossible to respond or control her own narrative at the time, leading to feelings of isolation.

The Birth of a Business Empire & Work Ethic

• Paris shares how her personal brand transitioned into tangible business opportunities, starting with her first fragrance after The Simple Life’s massive success. (10:50)
• She credits her relentless work ethic and the example of her grandfather, emphasizing the pressure and motivation that comes with the Hilton name.
  • Paris: “I work harder probably than anyone that I know… Because I didn’t want to be known as the Hilton hotel granddaughter. I wanted to be known as Paris.” (13:14)
  • “My grandfather… would always say, ‘Paris, you work harder than any CEO I know. I’m so proud.’” (14:15)

Optimizing Life, Wellness & Biohacking

• Paris is obsessed with longevity, wellness tech, and biohacking, from red light therapy to NAD+ IVs, and investing in cutting-edge technology.
  • “I just feel like I’d want to live forever.” (18:04)
• She describes optimizing her time—working during facials, investing in wellness, and building a home that’s a work-life sanctuary.
  • “I am the queen of multitasking because there’s not enough time in the day ever.” (18:40)

Motherhood, Technology, and Protecting the Next Generation

• Paris plans to shield her children from social media and modern dangers as long as possible.
  • “I wish I could never give them a phone… It’s just so dangerous in so many ways and so toxic.” (29:28)
• Her advocacy work now includes pushing for legislation around AI, deepfakes, and child protection. (31:19)

Personal Trauma: The Provo Canyon School Experience

• Paris recounts the trauma endured at Provo Canyon School and her decision to publicly share her story in her documentary “This Is Paris.”
  • “I made a promise to myself… I’m never going to talk about this… And then [my producer] showed me that it was a $28B a year industry… hundreds of kids were dying and being abused.” (56:23)
  • She’s since become an influential advocate, passing federal and state laws for child safety and institutional reform.
  • “Now it’s illegal for the things that happened to myself to happen to kids today.” (57:45)
• The process of sharing her story led to healing, stopping lifelong nightmares, and saving others from similar fates. (64:12)

The Power of Vulnerability and Reclaiming Her Story

• She emphasizes the importance of authenticity, surrounding oneself with trustworthy people, and not letting fame get to your head.
  • “There’s such a power in being vulnerable and real.” (38:21)
  • “Never let this [fame] get to your head… never forget where you came from.” (43:04)
• Paris’s connection with her fans is deeply personal—she treats them as family, often spending hours at events, forming real relationships. (41:20, 52:04)

The Reality Behind the Persona

• Paris reveals the “unglamorous” side of her life, being happiest at home with her children in sweats.
• Her relationship with Carter Reum is built on real trust and mutual support, rare in her world. (33:53, 35:16)

Advice for Aspiring Creatives & Entrepreneurs

• Work hard, surround yourself with the right team, and always be kind.
  • “Being kind is one of the most important things… and I’ve always led with kindness.” (39:04)
• Be cautious about intentions of those around you as fame can attract opportunists. (43:04)
• Paris gives advice she’d offer her younger self: “You’re going to go through a lot… One day, it’s going to be worth it… Stay strong and don’t be afraid to show the world the real you.” (70:48)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Paris Hilton

• “I’ve always been one of a kind and I’ve always lived unapologetically since I was little.” (03:26)
• “ADHD is my superpower… I wouldn’t be the entrepreneur I am today without it.” (04:14)
• “To go through that (tabloid culture) and survive that… is a feat in itself.” (07:28)
• “I just love to create. I love making beautiful products for my fans all around the world… I just can’t imagine anything else.” (15:04)
• “My fans… I really consider them like my family, like my brothers and sisters all around the world.” (41:20)
• On deepest trauma: “I made a promise to myself, when I get out of here, I’m never going to talk about this, not tell anyone, pretend it didn’t happen.” (56:23)
• “You messed with the wrong girl.” (65:32)

Lauryn & Michael Bosstick

• Lauryn: “I feel like TikTok and social media culture, influencers—the podcast—none of this would exist without you.” (01:20)
• Michael: “You’re like a one of one. You can do things that if other people did, you’d be like, ‘I don’t know.’ But when you do it… people understand, ‘Oh, that’s you.’” (02:45)
• Michael: “How do you think about parenting a young daughter that’s going to be introduced to the platforms that we’ve all now been exposed to?” (29:04)
• Lauryn: “If you could talk to your younger self or anyone who’s listening that feels misunderstood, what would you tell yourself and them?” (70:39)

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Important Timestamps

• 01:20: Origin of influencer culture & Paris’s blueprint
• 04:14: ADHD as a superpower, reframing the conversation
• 07:28: Enduring (and surviving) 2000s tabloid cruelty
• 10:50: Realizing the power of personal brand
• 13:14: Paris’s intense work ethic & Hilton legacy motivation
• 18:40: Daily wellness/biohacking routines and longevity obsession
• 29:28: Parenting, social media, and protecting children
• 31:19: Advocacy for AI, deepfake, and child protection laws
• 56:23: Provo Canyon School, trauma, and the origin of her advocacy
• 64:12: Healing through vulnerability, stopping nightmares
• 70:39: Advice for her younger self and misunderstood listeners

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Conclusion

This episode of The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show offers a rare, substantive look into Paris Hilton's journey from pop culture icon to business mogul and child advocate. The conversation breaks down the myth of the effortless heiress, revealing the trauma, resilience, and visionary thinking behind her brand—and how she’s harnessed pain for purpose. Listeners walk away inspired by her authenticity, work ethic, and dedication to helping others reclaim their stories.

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For more from Paris:

• Documentary: Infinite Icon (in theaters Jan 30)
• Memoir: Paris (now available; TV series adaptation in the works)
• Animated series: Paris and Pups (YouTube)

Follow: @parishilton

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“Stay strong and don’t be afraid to show the world the real you.” — Paris Hilton (70:48)

Transcript

[Lauren Everts]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Paris Hilton]

Fantastic.

[Lauren Everts]

And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostick are bringing you along for the ride.

[Michael Bostick]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Lauren Everts]

Welcome to the Skinny Confidential.

[Paris Hilton]

Him and her. Aha.

[Michael Bostick]

Our guest today is someone who didn't just participate in pop culture, she created it. Long before social media, personal branding, or influencer culture had names, she was already doing it at a global scale. She's a businesswoman, a media pioneer, a mother of two, a wife, and a cultural icon who has been endlessly copied, constantly underestimated, and quietly ten steps ahead the entire time. I personally have felt connected to her since high school because I always related to the idea that being put in a box was boring. And she's one of the first women I ever saw who refused to stay in one. Anyway. She has built an empire. Why the world has watched. And today we get to hear the story in her own words. Please welcome Paris Hilton.

[Lauren Everts]

This is the Skinny Confidential.

[Paris Hilton]

Him and her.

[Lauren]

Welcome to the show. I feel like I have to start this off with saying that I feel like TikTok and social media culture influencers. The podcast, none of this would exist without you. How did you know to tap into all of this before anyone?

[Paris Hilton]

Thank you. I feel that in my whole life, I've always been very ahead of my time, and it's something that just is in my DNA. And it all really happened very just authentically. I wasn't planning, oh, I want to be an influencer. It was just me living my life, paparazzi. The world was watching, and it just all happened. It's amazing to see that it's inspired so many other people and really created this blueprint, and I'm really proud.

[Lauren]

Did you know you were creating a blueprint for other people when it was.

[Paris Hilton]

Happening, I wasn't even thinking about it in that way again. It was just, like, so authentic. It was just literally just me living my life. And I think also with my adhd, it's like something that just gives me this creativity and a million thoughts going at once and willing to take risks. And that's why I've been such a trailblazer and an innovator and just doing things first.

[Michael]

It's interesting, though, watching you all these years, and I was thinking, we were talking off air how long we've done this, and we had the fat Jew on our podcast must have been like eight years ago, and we were talking about you on that show with him a long time ago and he was like, he believed he gave Paris for flowers. Because what he was doing at the time I think was like a wine beverage and the way he built his brand. And we were debating it and what we were also saying was what's interesting about you is you're like a one of one. And I mean like you can do things that if other people did, you'd be like, I don't know. But like when you do it, there's some like people understand, like, oh, that's you. Have you always been that way? Have you always felt like you've been that way?

[Paris Hilton]

I feel like I have. I've always been an original. I've always been one of a kind and I've always lived unapologetically since I was little.

[Michael]

Do you think that confidence comes from.

[Paris Hilton]

I think being an Aquarius?

[Michael]

Our daughter's an Aquarius.

[Paris Hilton]

Well, we're amazing people. And the ADHD again, my superpower and just my mom is incredible. So just being raised by Kathy Hilton, who is the OG also.

[Michael]

Yeah. Iconic. We've had Kathy on the show. We love Kathy.

[Paris Hilton]

She's the best.

[Lauren]

How have you used your ADHD to your advantage? Because I feel like you have.

[Michael]

Well, Lauren's newly self diagnosed, so a.

[Lauren]

Lot of it's thanks to you though, because I've started to learn more about it through you.

[Paris Hilton]

I'm so happy to hear that. Because growing up, no one was talking about it. When I was a teenager, especially for girls and women, everyone just would say, oh, this is something little boys have. So I was always so confused. And in school it was so difficult for me. I. As hard as I would study, I could never remember anything. I was always failing my tests. I was just always in detention getting in trouble. It was always just very difficult for me. And back then, everyone always only said the negative parts about it. And that's why I really wanted to reframe it. And I see it as my superpower. And I wouldn't be the entrepreneur I am today without it gives me this drive and always being in the future. And there's the hard parts about it too. It's very overwhelming. And with the rsd, which is like rejection, sensitivity, dysphoria, where you just feel things on such a deep level and it just could be so painful if you feel anything negative. It's very difficult at some times, but now I know it's not real. It's just the RSD kicking in. So there's so much to learn. I'll tell you even more about it. But I'm obsessed with learning more about it and spreading the message because I want people to know that it doesn't have to be something that holds them back in life. It could be something that they can harness as a superpower to really go for their dreams in life.

[Michael]

Nobody's ever talked about RSD. What is.

[Lauren]

How did you know you had it RSD?

[Paris Hilton]

99% of people with ADHD suffer from RSD, and it's called rejection sensitivity dysphoria, or DMN, which is the default mode network. My doctor, this Dr. Hallowell, who's like one of the leading psychologists in ADHD, told me all about this. But it's basically like any thought of, like, a negative perception. If you think someone is being rude or you, like, feel something, you will feel it. Like, it's like physical pain. And it's like not even like real like the other people are thinking. It's kind of just like this, almost like a demon in your mind that is like saying negative self talk to you. And it's something like, I didn't even know what this was before, but now I know. And after talking to so many people with adhd, like, they all feel the same way. So that's like, been a very helpful thing to me because I've been through so many things in my life, and especially in the 2000s, just everything I was going through with the media and suffering from this rsd, with the adhd, it was like, so, so extremely painful. And I think it's hard for people who are, you know, neurotypical to understand just, like, how, like, severe it can feel.

[Lauren]

Michael always gets mad at me for things that have to do with it. So this feels really.

[Michael]

No, no, no.

[Paris Hilton]

We're so sensitive and we feel feelings, like 50 times more than any anything, sadness. Like all of it.

[Michael]

Speaking of the 2000s and again, like, we watched a lot of that growing up and we talk about this all the time on the show. The press back then was able to get away with things that I just don't think they can get away with now.

[Lauren]

Out of control.

[Michael]

It was out of control. They were brutal, too. So with this, how did you manage that psychologically?

[Paris Hilton]

Oh, my God, it was so difficult because I didn't know anything about ADHD or any of this. So internally it was just extremely painful because the media was so cruel, especially to young women. And what happened back then would not be tolerated today. But it was like entertainment for people back then tearing down women. I think that's another reason why I'm so strong and resilient, because to go through that and survive that, in a sense, is a feat in itself.

[Lauren]

How did you even talk to anyone about what you were going through? Because there was not. You didn't have anyone who was going through the same experience. I mean, it is. Michael said one of one.

[Paris Hilton]

It felt very isolating. I felt very alone a lot of the time because I didn't really trust anyone either. I'd been hurt so much and had so many horrible things happen to me, especially as a teenager as well. Just like very. I just felt very alone a lot of the time because no one would even understand if I tried to explain it to them. Very few people in the world could probably understand what it would feel like.

[Lauren]

Marilyn Monroe might have been able to understand. Maybe that's the only other person I can think of that could understand. You had cameras in your face all the time back then.

[Michael]

You had no mouthpiece to be able to answer any of this. Now you can go on a podcast, you can do your own thing, you go live, you can speak directly. It's funny, whenever we say something crazy on the show or do something that's going to get us in hot water, I never worry about it because I'm like, why? Just go on tomorrow and clarify or talk. And it loses its steam. But back then there was no way for you to do that.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah. It was such a different time back then, and it was so hard. It was almost like there was like gatekeepers in a sense, where it was like the media and then you could never really tell your story, so they basically controlled the entire narrative. And that's why it's been so empowering in the past years to really reclaim that and tell the real story. Because for so long my story has been told by other people who never really knew the whole story or the true story.

[Lauren]

Is there anything that you miss about it? Is there anything. You look back and you're like, oh, I like that so much better than now.

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah, for sure. Of course, the tabloid culture, that was a nightmare. But everything else was so much fun. Fashion was the most fun. I think 2000s fashion is the best era in fashion. So extra so fun. I invented it, so I love it. The nightlife was epic. Like, nothing ever. Like.

[Michael]

It was fun here in la.

[Paris Hilton]

So much fun. Every night was fun and there was no cameras. Like, it was just like, just like a very, like, intimate group of, like, the most fun people in la. And we would go out every single night and it was just like, the best time ever. The people, just the vibes, the energy. Like, I loved it. It was so much fun. Even though internally I was going through a lot, I would just have so much fun and try to just forget about all of the things.

[Michael]

At one point when you started gaining this kind of attention, did you realize you could start building a real business off of it? Because I think a lot of people also look at you and think, oh, this just happened. It was by accident. And now in hindsight, clearly it's not. And you've built. We were sitting in this room. We're like, jesus Christ, look at what you've done. It's massive.

[Lauren]

From nothing.

[Michael]

From nothing. Yeah. And so when did you realize that you could do this?

[Paris Hilton]

I realized very early on the power of building a personal brand. And I think it really started when I moved to New York with this whole. I lived a very sheltered life before. My parents were very strict in la. I was not allowed to go on dates or go to school, dances, wear makeup, anything. So then moving to New York, living at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel, started getting invited to every single event. People are paying me to, to parties. Then every designer is giving me all these gowns and designer clothes and handbags, all these things. And then when I would wear something, it would be in the media, and then it would sell out. And then I remember the first night the Simple Life aired, and it had 13 and a half million viewers. And that next day, I was like, no, I can actually parlay this into a business or a brand. And that's when I started developing my first fragrance.

[Lauren]

So I remember buying this dress. I don't know if you remember this dress. You wore it. It was. Maybe it was pink or green. It came in two colors, and it had, like, a big diamond right here, and it was tube top. And it was always sold out. And it was on that site, Singer22, and they used your likeness.

[Paris Hilton]

Oh, really?

[Lauren]

On the site to sell the dress. It was like this silk little mini dress. I'm gonna find it.

[Paris Hilton]

I need to find this and DM it to you.

[Michael]

Like a tabloid picture they use?

[Lauren]

No, but I just remember it was always sold out. You're right. They, like, they leveraged your likeness to sell, and then it would sell out. I remember always, like, refreshing the page.

[Michael Bostick]

It was like.

[Lauren]

And it's very specific dress you're wearing, like your hair, long silk, pink mini skirt. We have to pull it up, you guys, if we can find it. And it had a big diamond right here. Anyways, it's just interesting to see.

[Paris Hilton]

Wonder if I still have it.

[Lauren]

I bet you still have it. Like maybe like saved it. It was, it was an iconic moment for you, I remember. But also like Kitson and all those different places always were using your likeness to sell stuff. So people are assuming obviously that you have like, you have like an ease and an effort, effortlessness that I, I notice. But there's so much that has to happen to get to here. What does your work ethic look like? What's the working Paris, the behind the scenes Paris that we don't see?

[Paris Hilton]

I work harder probably than anyone that I know, just running so many different businesses and so many different business verticals and everything from doing television, audio, film, building products, building ip, running my media company, recording albums, writing books, being a mom on Congress, DJing, singing, being an advocate, you know, going back and forth to DC for all my advocacy work. Yeah, I just, I don't stop. It's non stop. But I feel really blessed that my family really instilled that work ethic in myself from a young age. And I was always very inspired watching what my great grandfather and grandfather built and wanting to build something on my own because I didn't want to be known as the Hilton hotel granddaughter. I wanted to be known as Paris.

[Michael]

What's the pressure like coming with a last name like that, knowing what your grandfather did? How did you think about that when you were younger?

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah, it was definitely a lot of pressure and then always just wanting to be perfect and just always thinking about what, what they would think. So, yeah, that was something that I always thought about. But I was also extremely close with my grandfather and he was my business mentor and he was always so proud of me and would always say, paris, you work harder than any CEO I know. I'm so proud of what you built. So incredible. And he's like, I used to be known as Baron Hilton, founder of Hilton Hotels, and now I'm known as Paris Hilton's grandpa. So that was an amazing moment I'll never forget.

[Michael]

And what's the motivation at this point? Because again, we were talking about you and you've, and you know, I know your husband and I know a lot of the things you're involved in, you've built so many things. Why do you keep going when arguably like you kind of, you've done a lot.

[Paris Hilton]

I just love it. I love to create. I love making beautiful products for my fans all around the world. I love giving them amazing experiences. I love making music, I love to entertain. I love it just it makes me feel so proud. It's so much fun and it's only I'm so used to it, I've been doing it for so long that I just can't imagine anything else.

[Michael]

You mentioned earlier with ADHD you live in the future a lot. What do you mean by that?

[Paris Hilton]

I just, I've always been like a futurist, like seeing into the future, being ahead of my time in so many ways. And I don't know, it's like I feel like people with ADHD are some of the most brilliant and creative minds in the world. And then you look around and you see just like the scientists, the people in the entertainment industry, so many musicians, a lot of them have adhd and I've been so inspired just hearing so many stories about that.

[Michael]

I think it's really challenging for a lot of young people now when I reflect because you're misunderstood and then you get, they try to put you in a box and you get frustrated and I think then a lot of kids really start to struggle because you have people that just don't understand, basically saying, well, if you don't do it this way there must be something wrong with you.

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah, I felt that way so many times and like they've always tried to put me in a box as well and I've always been a person who thinks outside the box and I think the box is boring. And that's another thing with ADHD too is that we can focus. Like people say like we can't focus, but we can, we just can't focus on boring things.

[Michael]

It has to stimulate you.

[Paris Hilton]

Yes.

[Lauren]

What's the thing that you were wearing in your documentary that was like a, it was like a thing you wrapped around your stomach with heat.

[Paris Hilton]

It's so good, the therabody and it has heat, it has vibration and red light, the new one that just came out is amazing because it has red light as well. Red light is very helpful for back pain and the heat. And I have like a red light bed that I lay in every morning now and that's been extremely helpful. And I have this guy, Pete, the body mechanic who is insane. Like he's fixed my back.

[Michael]

I do want to pivot here for a second because like I said before we started, you are like a low key nerd and you're into these things and I know people that know you have like cutting edge things that other people don't have. When did you get so into wellness and these practices and using these tools and how do you figure out what you Want to try?

[Paris Hilton]

I've always been an undercover nerd and I'm obsessed with anything to do with technology and now longevity and wellness. And Brian Johnson is one of my friends and I just invested into his company Blueprint. He is so brilliant, so I'm always learning so much from him. And David asprey as well. Dr. Holland, who is amazing, he comes over all the time to give me.

[Michael]

Nad you do the shots or the, or the iv? What about the stomach? I do the iv. Lauren's never tried it.

[Paris Hilton]

I did the stomach one too, but the IV is really strong and like the methanol blue as well, which is like gives you so much energy. I love just finding about everything peptides like biohacking. We're gonna be creating the longevity center downstairs which is going to be insane. Which would be like a paravy spa that will have all of the most high tech equipment. So I just feel like I'd want to live forever.

[Michael]

What are the things that you go back to consistently that you tap into on a regular basis? Obviously nad peptides you're doing once in a while, but the things that you. On a daily, weekly practice.

[Paris Hilton]

Every morning I go into my red light bed first for 20 minutes and then into the red light sauna for 25 minutes. And then while I'm in there, I'm just like doing interviews or working the entire time because I am the queen of multitasking because there's not enough time in the day ever. And then I'm obsessed with facials. I love taking care of my skin. So like sometimes two or three times a week, like three hour facials again while I'm working the whole time laying there.

[Lauren]

Is there a specific facial barrack chamber by the way?

[Paris Hilton]

And yes, there's a facialist.

[Lauren]

Who's the facialist?

[Paris Hilton]

Heather Nicole, who I've been seeing for like 15 years now.

[Lauren]

Okay, I gotta go to Heather.

[Paris Hilton]

She's amazing.

[Lauren]

And you're working during the facial the whole time? That's what I like to do. You lay on your back and you just work.

[Paris Hilton]

I have like these things like iPad holders. So I have like two iPads and phone holders. So they're all kind of just like. It looks like I'm like an office with like all these things up on the screens and I'm just like laying there and just kind of just like doing calls, doing approvals, creating things. It's just I probably get my most work done doing that because I feel like I'm just getting so much done because I love to optimize my time as much as possible. And in the hyperbaric chamber, which is amazing, that is the number one thing for longevity.

[Lauren]

Are you scared you're going to get locked in?

[Paris Hilton]

No.

[Lauren]

Why am I scared of that?

[Michael]

Because you read a story one time, somebody got locked in.

[Lauren]

What if you want to get out?

[Paris Hilton]

They got locked. It's such an oxygen. Are you talking about the cryotherapy?

[Lauren]

No, the. The oxygen one. If you want to. If you're in the middle of it and you want to get out, what.

[Paris Hilton]

Do you have to do?

[Michael]

Somebody got locked in a hyperbaric chamber and it lit on fire and they couldn't get out and they died.

[Lauren]

Don't project that into the well.

[Michael]

I'm just telling you. That's why you're saying, was it like.

[Paris Hilton]

A small one or.

[Michael]

I think it was one of like, you know, when these things first came out, they were like these giant things.

[Lauren]

I think hers is probably different. But can you get out?

[Paris Hilton]

It's four people. It's like, it looks like a spaceship.

[Lauren]

Okay. I don't think that was the same one.

[Michael]

Yeah. Like you got Gary Breca is like doing his podcast in his hyperbaric chamber. Yeah, they're dope.

[Paris Hilton]

I love them. And I love the cryotherapy. I do that every day too.

[Lauren]

The cryotherapy too?

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Do you like to cold plunge?

[Paris Hilton]

No.

[Lauren]

No. But you like cryotherapy?

[Paris Hilton]

I like it because you don't get wet. I hate the water. And then it just like you have to go get your hair blown out again. It's annoying.

[Lauren]

It's a lot of work.

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

What is the most unglamorous part of your job that we don't see?

[Paris Hilton]

People, like, see me out, like on red carpets or like performing, and I'm like all dressed up and like in gowns and all that. But if I'm not working, like, I'm just like at home chilling. Sweatsuit, socks, no makeup, my hair pulled back, just like very chill. So I feel like it's like my other side to me is the more glamorous side. And then my at home side is just like very chill, relaxed.

[Lauren]

Is that when you're the happiest?

[Paris Hilton]

Yes, When I'm at home with my babies. That is my happy place.

[Lauren]

And you have all your dogs. We got to meet Crypto.

[Paris Hilton]

Yes.

[Lauren]

And your home. What I think is so cool about it is you've almost optimized your house to be a place where you can work, but you have your kids. But it's like, it's Very fluid. I think that's really cool. You don't have to like leave and go to an office, which is amazing.

[Paris Hilton]

Yes, it's. It's so amazing. That was very intentional. Like, I work so much, so I want to be able to do as much as possible from the house. That's why I built like a recording studio here. We have just my office here. My Entire Media Company, 1111 built a whole office in the back as well. The whole guest house is turned into a full office for everyone. And I can take all my meetings from here. I can have my kids on my lap while I'm just working away. I feel like this house is what I manifested as a little girl. What I dreamed I would want it to be like. And now I have it and I just feel so lucky. So happy.

[Lauren]

We took a picture on the pink tennis court.

[Paris Hilton]

It's fun, right?

[Lauren]

It's so good.

[Lauren Everts]

Quick break to talk about Branch Basics. Lauren and I are huge fans of cleaning up every area of our lives. Not just what we eat, but what we clean our house with. This is so important. So many of us are living in a house or working in an office with toxic chemical cleaning supplies that have hormone disruptors, terrible synthetic fragrances, and things that are just disruptive to our overall health and well being. Ever since Lauren and I interviewed Alison, the first founder of Branch Basics, on this podcast and learned about this alternative, we have not looked back. So for those of you that are unfamiliar with Branch Basics, Branch Basics is made from plant and mineral based ingredients. Branch Basics is human safe and it's made perfect for families, especially those with babies, kids or pets. Think about it. They're close to the floor, they're breathing in all these things. You want to make sure that they're clean ingredients. Branch Basics was also founded by three women, each with transformative personal experiences. We've done two episodes with the Branch Basics founders. I highly suggest you check those out. They're incredible episodes. It sounds small, but the products in your environment play a huge role in your overall wellness well being. Especially if you're resetting routines, building healthier habits, or starting 2026 with more intention. What I love about these products is the Branch Basics refill model makes it even easier to keep your home clean. All you need to restock is the concentrate is available at Target, Amazon and BranchBasics.com making it more convenient than ever to have human safe cleaning products. Their premium starter kit comes with one powerful concentrate that makes everything laundry detergent, bathroom cleaner, glass cleaner, even pet wash and a vegetable rinse. And here's the good news. Branch Basics is now available everywhere you shop. At Target, Target.com, amazon and BranchBasics.com, tossing the toxins has never been more convenient. If you want to try the Premium Starter kit today and get 15% off, head to branchbasics.com and use our code skinny15 for 15% off your first order. Again, that's skinny15 for 15% off your starter [e-mail] quick break to talk about Experian Most of you are probably familiar with Experian as a credit monitoring service, but did you know that they also have a service that makes canceling unnecessary subscriptions that are wasting your money easy to do so that you can save even more money. Experian can take the pain out of canceling subscriptions by handling it for you. Just keep the ones you want and put that hard earned cash back in your pocket. Over 200 subscriptions are cancelable or negotiable. Also, you could save money by letting Experian negotiate your best rate. They'll keep an eye out for new deals and savings opportunities and will negotiate directly with your provider on your behalf. This is such an incredible service. It is such a pain to carry a bunch of unwanted, unneeded and most of all expensive subscriptions that are draining your bank accounts and robbing us of a comfortable future. I talk on this podcast all the time about personal finance and one of the biggest things is getting your expenses under control. This is a great way to do it. We have a million things going on and trying to figure out all of these different subscriptions and stay on top of them manually is such a pain. Experian takes all of that pain away and makes it easy for you. And here's the best part. You keep 100% of your savings. So like I said, check Experian out. It is not just a credit monitoring service, it can now also save you money with their subscription cancellation platform. Get started with the Experian app now. Results will vary. Not all bills or subscriptions are eligible. Savings not guaranteed. Paid membership with connected payment account required. See experian.com for details.

[Michael Bostick]

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[Michael]

I was thinking about something said earlier as it relates to young girls and we have a daughter and I think about this a lot. How do you think about parenting a young daughter that's going to be introduced to the platforms that we've all now been exposed to? Knowing what you know and knowing what you face, like what. What will you tell her as she starts to, you know, become mature enough to use these tools?

[Paris Hilton]

I wish I could, like, never give them a phone. Yeah, I'm going to try to keep them as young and innocent as possible for as long as I can. Like, I don't want to give them an iPhone or a phone or anything for a very long time. I just feel like I can't imagine being 13 years old and having social media and just all the pressures and then all these weird people who can try to contact them and it's just so dangerous in so many ways and so toxic. So I just want to make my daughter feel as confident and, I don't know, just like not care about those type of things. I don't know. It comes out get very addictive as well. I think.

[Lauren]

Yeah, we let's give them a razor. Like the phone, Remember, like a razor or Nokia.

[Paris Hilton]

I just released my Motorola Paris Hilton razor. It's pink and it's iconic.

[Lauren]

That's what we should give them because then they can't go on social media.

[Paris Hilton]

But, you know, it goes on social media.

[Lauren]

Oh, it goes on social media. I feel like this, a Nokia with.

[Michael]

Snake on it, like Gen Z probably got it the worst because none of the parents really knew what these platforms were.

[Paris Hilton]

Right.

[Michael]

Even for us, we were like the last generation to kind of grow up without these things and we kind of learned along the way. But if you became a parent in the Last call it decade. There was nobody that's like put their kids through social before, so they had to. They were the experiment generation.

[Paris Hilton]

So true.

[Michael]

And I think now in a weird way, we're better armed. But also the Internet's become more and more creepy.

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah, it is scary out there. Just like seeing some of these stories and like, what are you doing?

[Lauren]

Your advocacy work with. You were mentioning off air with AI with creepy people.

[Paris Hilton]

Well, I've just realized so much. Just the power and using my voice to make a difference. Just really making it to protect others from things that have happened to me in life. And as a little girl, I never imagined I'd be standing on the steps of Capitol Hill and testifying in Congress and now passed two federal bills and 20 state laws to protect children. And now I'm going to be going next week because right now with AI and deep fakes and everything that's happening, it's just the technology is moving so fast and the laws have not caught up with it yet. So my team and I have been talking with legislators, senators and working with other advocates on this legislation, which is going to basically make it so that these type of things are illegal because there's so many explicit videos being made and deep fakes of underage children, of celebrities, of women and people all around the world, and there's nothing to protect anyone. So this will basically make it so that the platforms and the people who are profiting off of this, there's going to be repercussions for this, make it illegal.

[Lauren]

Almost like everything you've been through has set you up to do this. Because who knows what you've been through with the media being so toxic. You're the perfect person to step up and be the voice for this.

[Paris Hilton]

Thank you. That's why I like to think about it, that maybe everything in life happens for a reason. And God gave me a special gift so one day I could use it to make a difference for others.

[Lauren]

What's your red flags?

[Paris Hilton]

I think just from going through so much of my life, I've just like, I have a sense where I could.

[Lauren]

Just feel it like an antenna.

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah. Like, I could just like, I could, I don't know, like a red flag, like barometer or something. Or I could just like even look in someone's eyes and like tell like what type of person they are. And just like lying to me is like I can tell right away and I hate that more than anything. And like when I can't trust someone, it's just like so hard for me to be around them ever. Because I've just had so many people do bad things to me in my life that now it's just, like, has made me just see it all before it happens.

[Lauren]

That's what seems like is so strong about your marriage. It seems like you really trust each other.

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

When you met Carter, did you know that he was the one?

[Paris Hilton]

Right away I knew there was something really special about him. Like, it was Thanksgiving day, and I just walked into my mom's friend's house for lunch on Thanksgiving, and he was sitting there with this huge smile on his face with his mom. And he was so sweet. And right away I just, like, thought he was so, like, just nice and different. And I loved watching him with his mom. And I'm so happy that I met him that day because my life has changed so much ever since. And he's the first one that really tore those walls down that I had surrounding my heart. And he's lifted me up in so many ways that no one ever has and supports me. He's like my biggest cheerleader. He's like everything.

[Lauren Everts]

If I ever talk to Carter, we.

[Michael]

Have to first talk for about three minutes about how much he loves you and how great you are, which is amazing. But that's.

[Lauren]

You could take note, though, Michael.

[Michael]

I gotta get there. I'm like, hey, Carter, I have an idea about this deal. And he's like, let me tell you about Paris and how amazing this. I'm like, okay, we'll go through this for a minute, but for sure, it's very sweet like that.

[Paris Hilton]

He's the best.

[Michael]

He's setting the bar too high for the restaurants. I'm like. I'm like, tone it down, dude.

[Lauren]

He does seem like a really good husband.

[Michael]

Yeah. And he's a good. He's a good person.

[Paris Hilton]

He is a good person. He has amazing family values, and he's just the best. I'm so lucky.

[Lauren]

How do you guys work together with everything you're doing?

[Paris Hilton]

Well, he. We don't like work work together.

[Michael]

Work.

[Paris Hilton]

You mean business wise?

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Paris Hilton]

He always jokes that he's my unpaid intern who gets paid in kisses and hugs, but he's incredible. Just like, he's so smart and just one of the most brilliant and most hardworking people I've ever met. And he has just been amazing just to learn so much about investing. And he really helps with my team as well, just helping lead so much of it. And of course, he runs his investment M13. But he helps me so much, which is so amazing. So I feel lucky to have someone who wants the best for me because a lot of men would get jealous and emasculated being with a powerful, successful woman. And he's not like that at all. He just wants me to be as successful as possible. And he really just, like, makes me feel safe enough where I can just go for my dreams. And really, like, the sky is the limit.

[Lauren]

There's so many powerful women that have come on the show that say that it's so hard to find a man that doesn't want to just, like, push them back in the jack in the box. They just want to.

[Paris Hilton]

They.

[Lauren]

They make fun of them to make themselves feel better.

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah. And try to control. Yeah.

[Lauren]

And it's the hottest. Guys are quietly confident.

[Michael]

I'm sitting in a giant pink room on a pink bike.

[Lauren]

I'm just saying you're quietly confident.

[Michael]

No, but I think for a lot of guys, especially if you grew up in a more traditional household, it's maybe a mind fuck for some of them to be like, hey, maybe I'm not the main breadwinner, or I'm not the main draw, or somebody else has a bigger career than me. So I think it requires a certain, like, shifting of mindset if you were. If maybe if you grew up in a household where that wasn't the case. You know what I mean? A lot of guys have, I think, a rough time dealing with that.

[Lauren]

Do you ever clock when someone realizes that they've misjudged you? Like, can you, like, see it in their eyes?

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah, because, you know, being in this industry for so long, I've spent most of my life being underestimated. One of my favorite things is to prove people wrong. So, yeah, that's happened a lot of times in my life.

[Michael Bostick]

Do you.

[Lauren]

You feel now, I could imagine that you've proved everyone wrong.

[Paris Hilton]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Like, you feel like you checked the box 100%. Is there more that you want to do on your list to prove people wrong, or do you feel like you've done it?

[Paris Hilton]

I've done that part. So now everything I do is wrinkles. Yeah. It's just like, I love everything I do, and everything I do now is for my fans, for my kids to be proud of me, and for me to be proud of myself.

[Michael]

One thing that's also extremely fascinating about you is the longevity that you've had. You've had a long, still very relevant career. If you were coaching the next generation or someone who kind of wants to follow in your footsteps, what do you think some of the things that you've done in order to stay relevant, build such a big career, continue to grow. How do you think about that?

[Paris Hilton]

Well, definitely, it's about working hard, about surrounding yourself with the right team of people that you can trust and who are capable and people who want to lift you up and not try to pull you down, because that can happen as well. And it's also about being authentic, being vulnerable. There's such a power in being vulnerable and real. And I think people want more and more of that and finding what your passion is, what you love to do, and try to make that what you do for a living.

[Michael]

What mistakes do you see younger people making when they're trying to build a career in this lane or this fashion?

[Paris Hilton]

Definitely hooking up with the wrong teams. I think there's a lot of con artists in this business. Yeah. With products, I think it's so important to see where things are made. You just need to know where everything is coming from. You need to know to trust everyone on your team. Because a lot of times I've seen people where they made such a career and then they have a business manager who's been stealing all the money in the background. So you need to be just on top of everything, because it can all just come crashing down if you are not aware of everything that's happening around you or people just who surround themselves with negative energy or who are just not good people, or if they just let things get to their head and they just become not a good person. I think being kind is one of the most important things as well. And I've always led with kindness.

[Lauren]

You have always led with kindness with your fans, too.

[Paris Hilton]

Yes.

[Lauren]

To see you interact with the fans is. It's a very different strategy because some people, as you know, will, like, put themselves on a pedestal. You, I feel like you really, like, connect. Has that just been something that you've done naturally?

[Michael Bostick]

Always.

[Paris Hilton]

Always naturally. It's never a strategy. Like my fans, I really consider them like my family, like my brothers and sisters all around the world. I love them so much. And especially, you know, being in this industry and feeling so alone so many of the times. I used to travel over 250 days out of the year or two decades, and mostly I would just be alone or with, like, a tour manager, and I would meet up with my fans all around the world, and they have just been there with me through everything and always just have loved me unconditionally. And we've all grown up with each other because I been around for so long. So all of us have grown up with each other for so long and it's amazing just to have bands that are like that and they call themselves my little Hiltons. And I just, I love and adore them so much and I love making fun experiences for them. And anytime I go to another country, I'll always have them come meet up or like, I'll get them a hotel or I've had them stay at my house, like in Ibiza. A lot of my. Are you crazy? Like, why do you or why are you so close with your fans? I was like, cause I love them. And back then I used to trust them more than I trusted most people in my life.

[Lauren]

One of, I think Arielle or Mimi was telling me off air that you have given cars and crazy giveaways to the fans too.

[Paris Hilton]

Last year, this woman named Viviana, her car burned and I saw this TikTok video and the only thing that survived was her pink Paris Hilton tumbler that she had bought at Walmart.

[Michael]

So you made great products.

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah, so that was the only thing it didn't offer and great product. But I just was so touched by her story. I went and surprised her in Texas and brought her a car. And she was so sweet, so kind, so lovely. We still talk now on social media. I love her so much and being able to do something like that for someone. I love just making people happy and bringing sparkle to people's lives. And it's fun to do those types of surprises for people.

[Lauren]

They probably freak out.

[Paris Hilton]

It's really cool. Just. I really see fame as like a superpower where you can just. Just by showing up, saying hello, taking a photo, anything just could bring so much happiness and just mean the world to someone. And that's something that I love to do all the time. It's one of my favorite things.

[Michael]

A lot of people wonder about this and obviously aspire to get to the level that you've gone to. What are some of the things that you would caution people against when it comes to fame? I guess what are some of the things that you have to navigate that people just maybe don't think about?

[Paris Hilton]

The night before the Simple Life aired, my mom said, when this airs on television tomorrow, your life is going to change forever. And I just want you to never forget the sweet, down to earth girl that you are and never let this get to your head. And that's something that I always really kept close to my heart. And I've never changed. Never let it get to my head, no matter what. And I've been in this business a long time. I've seen so many people come and go because they end up feeling like they're better than other people and they just completely change and forget who they are and where they came from. And I think that is an important piece of advice just to not become like that. Because they also know like you never know when they're. The rug can just be pulled from under their feet and everything's taken away and then they've lost even their real friends just by the way they treat people. And another piece of advice would be be careful because there's going to be so many people, you don't know their intentions, if they really like you for you or there's using you to be around or be able to go to the events or go on the trips or use you. So I think those are important things and lessons that I've learned.

[Michael]

Right. You have to be so much more thoughtful about that because you can't really tell if the intention is to truly just be your friend and get to know you or if they're looking for something from you.

[Paris Hilton]

Exactly.

[Michael Bostick]

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[Michael Bostick]

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[Paris Hilton]

Okay?

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[Lauren]

You know what Farrah told me about you? She told me that when you guys would go out or whenever you go out, that you will literally take a picture with every single person that wants to take a picture. Even if it's like an hour and a half. She said if you guys walk into a restaurant and you're, like, walking out and people want to take pictures, that you'll stop and everything you're doing and take pictures with each person and talk with each person. I mean, that's crazy for how long you've been in that, in this business to still do that.

[Paris Hilton]

I've always been that way. Even when I do a book signing or a perfume signing, and they'll say, okay, Paris, this is like, two hours. And then it will be, like, maybe five, six, seven hours. The mall will be closing, and they'll be like, paris, we need to leave. I was like, no, I need to take a picture of every single person. And I don't. I see a lot of people. They do the signings, and they just sign and don't even take a photo. Like, I will sometimes spend, like, 20 minutes with a person and just. They were talking to me, giving me letters. I literally cry. Just, like, hearing the stories from people and just them telling me, you shaped who I am today and just how meaningful I've been in their lives. And I am very. I have such empathy for people as well. And I'm so sensitive to other people's feelings where I literally care about other people's feelings more than myself. So that's something that's so important to me. And I always tell my team. I always tell my security, like, never push anyone away. Don't ever tell anyone. No. I just would feel so guilty, and I would think about it. Even if they're like, the mall's closing. We can't do it anymore. I will then feel so sad the rest of the night being like, oh, my God, those people were waiting, and I'll just feel so sad for them, but then I'll meet them outside the mall. What?

[Michael]

Your mother came on and told a story about how you and your sister will literally stay at appearances.

[Paris Hilton]

Like.

[Michael]

Like the way you're describing. What other lessons did you. And you've mentioned your mother a few times. Did you take from her growing up? Because it sounds like she gave you and gives you a lot of great advice.

[Lauren]

Do you have the tiny pillow that she has?

[Paris Hilton]

Which one?

[Lauren]

Those tiny pillows.

[Paris Hilton]

The Port Halt pillows. Yes, of course.

[Lauren]

I bought three because of her.

[Paris Hilton]

They're so cute. I love them. My mom is the best. And my mom has adhd, too. She's a ADHD queen.

[Michael]

Your mom is one of the funnier people we've ever met.

[Paris Hilton]

She's so funny. Yeah, she's just so funny. She has such a big heart. She's so caring. She is an amazing mother. I love how she makes every holiday so special. She makes me laugh like no other. She's so much fun to prank call people with. She's the life of the party. Lights up every room when she walks in. And. Yeah, she just.

[Michael]

She tried to prank call Howard Stern live on our show.

[Paris Hilton]

She did?

[Michael]

Yeah. I was like, I don't know if this is gonna go over well.

[Paris Hilton]

I'd be scared to prank call him.

[Michael]

Yeah, she wasn't. So when you were a kid, was she pushing you to kind of chase after the life that you now lead, or was it, like, kind of do what you.

[Paris Hilton]

What was, no, she did not want me to, like, moving to New York. Every model agency was reaching out. They all wanted me to work, do the Runway shows, do fashion magazines, everything. And my mom just say, no, like, you need to go to school. Like, she just didn't want me to be, like, I don't know, in that world, modeling, anything.

[Michael]

Would you want it for your daughter?

[Paris Hilton]

I want her to be able to do whatever she wants in life. I'm hoping that she'll follow in my footsteps of being, like, an entrepreneur, businesswoman. Yeah. It is, like, a scary world out there, too, even with the modeling world and all of that, because just some of these creepy guys are around, and I just don't want my daughter to ever be exposed to any of those types of people.

[Michael]

Yeah, when my daughter turns 12 or 13, we're gonna become Amish, and we're gonna just live to the middle of the country, and we'll just.

[Lauren]

When you have a daughter, you start to understand your parents more totally. Yeah. You start to understand where they're coming from 100%.

[Paris Hilton]

Well.

[Michael]

And I think being close to this world, a lot of people that are not in it, you glamorize it, because you see a lot of the thing, right? You see the carpets, you see the parties. You see a lot of the stuff, but you don't see a lot of the dark stuff that comes with it. And I. You know, there is a lot that come. Anytime you have a platform and people feel like they can utilize that platform or use it to their benefit, it's just like, you know, people can be dangerous. And so I think, like, with our child, like, we have to have, like, a lot of big conversations.

[Lauren]

Why did you decide to open up about what happened at Provo? Was that something that you had wanted to open up a long time, or was it something that you just decided, one day I'm just gonna let it out?

[Paris Hilton]

After going through that, I was so traumatized that I made a promise to myself, when I get out of here, I'm never gonna talk about this, not tell anyone, pretend it didn't happen. I didn't even tell my parents, my sister, my best friends, no one. And it wasn't until my documentary, this is Paris, where probably six months into filming, we were in South Korea. I was launching one of my lines out there. I forgot fragrance. I was having severe nightmares, which I had had every single night since being in there. And I kind of, like, went into it a little with her, and I was like, but don't film this and don't put this in the documentary. Like, I don't want this being part of my story. And then she was like. Or then the next day, she came to me with all this research and showed me that it had now boomed into this $28 billion a year industry. And there was thousands of these schools, and hundreds of thousands of children were being sent to these places, and hundreds of kids were dying and they were being sexually abused. And just the most horrific stories. I had no idea it was still happening. And I just knew that she basically said to me, paris, like, I think by you telling your story could really help a lot of other kids. And I was so scared and nervous because I had never spoken it out loud to anyone before. And I started telling her the story, you know, for that documentary that wasn't even the original premise of the film. It wasn't even supposed to be about that at all. It all just really happened because I felt close to her and like I could trust her. But I'm so grateful that I did tell that story because it's really changed my life in so many ways and has been so healing for me, and it was so painful to go through. But the fact now that I've told my story and now it's illegal for the things that happen to myself to happen to kids today has been the most meaningful work of my life.

[Lauren]

When you opened up about that, did you have so many people reaching out that were thanking you because they had maybe been through a similar experience?

[Paris Hilton]

Yes, all the time. Like, right away, when it was about to air, I was so, so scared and nervous because I had no idea how the world was going to react, you know, because they had known me for so long as this character, like this blonde, bubbly, you know, person they thought that had, like, this perfect life, and they had no idea what had happened. So I didn't know, you know, what people would say or think. But right away, just thousands of people writing me letters, reaching out to me, coming up to me on the street saying, thank you so much for telling your story. I went the same thing, and nobody ever believed me. And what you've done has really saved my life and healed me and my family, and then so many families coming up to me. And even yesterday, I was just doing this interview, and the writer told me that he was about to send his daughter to one of these schools, but then he saw me speaking in Congress, and then he decided not to. And he's like, you saved my daughter from going through, you know, probably torture and severe trauma. And then just so many people all the time just thanking me and just saying I've really healed them. So it's just been incredible just to see the power in being vulnerable and real and really turning pain into a huge purpose and impacting millions of children's lives.

[Michael]

Why do parents think they need to send their kids to these places in the first place? Like, what. What are parents under the assumption that these places maybe, just maybe, if a parent's thinking about needing to do this.

[Paris Hilton]

With their kid, it depends. You know, for me, like, moving to New York and then my Life being just, like, completely changed from Los Angeles, the sheltered life, moving to New York. All of a sudden, I'm being invited to every party, every nightclub, going out all the time, ditching school. So my parents hired this educational consultant and they referred to the school and they said, it's an emotional growth boarding school. They show brochures and it's kids smiling with rainbows, riding horses. And it looks like this very happy place. And these people who refer the children there are all getting commission and they get paid for each kid that's being sent to these places.

[Lauren]

That's disgusting.

[Paris Hilton]

So that happens a lot. And a lot of kids in there just. They only had adhd. They couldn't focus in class. Like, none of these kids deserve to be in a place like this. So a lot of the kids there were just kids who were just like, misunderstood.

[Michael]

Parents are under the assumption, like, this place is this great place that'll change and discipline them.

[Lauren]

It almost makes it more fucked up, though, because it's like, I could imagine as a child, it's hard to even then blame the parent because the parent thinks that they're doing something good.

[Paris Hilton]

Oh, yeah. The parents are just as much victims in the situation because they're manipulating both sides. And they're saying to the parents, kind of priming them because they are abusing the kids. But then they say to the parents, like, by the way, all the kids in here, they lie and they're manipulators, and they're gonna say that we're abusing them, but it's not really happening.

[Michael]

So in advance they say, okay, you're gonna get a call and it's gonna sound really bad, but that's part of the process.

[Paris Hilton]

But they won't even let you do the call. Like, when you're sitting there, if you even say one word, you have someone sitting next to you, and they immediately slammed on the phone. And then you either get like beaten, thrown in a room, locked away, and then they say, you can't talk to your parents for six months.

[Michael]

So what happened to all these people?

[Paris Hilton]

There's consequences for them now people are finally being believed and the stories are coming out. But for so long, these kids were not believed because they're just called troubled kids. So it's like the perfect situation for an abuser to get away with. And they instill such shame in the children that they're like myself. You're so ashamed, by the time you get out of there, you don't even want to tell anyone because you're, like, embarrassed for, like, what they've done to you, the shame should be on these people. And that's another powerful message that I want to spread to people, that it should not be that you hold onto that shame. The people who should be ashamed are the ones that hurt you. And my parents, and I just. I'm so grateful that my parents have been so supportive of me. My mom's been coming with me to DC Also to speak to the other parents, because some of these. It has ruined so many lives of children. And a lot of these kids, when they get out of these places, committed suicide. And they can't even move on in life because they've just been so broken down by these places, in these schools. And one of the. In the laws that I've passed to protect children, we've made it as one of the parts of it that they're not allowed to do calls where someone is sitting there. Like, the kids can have an unsupervised call with their parent without someone there who's going to punish them right away, which is something that's so important for people to be able to explain when they're being abused in these places.

[Lauren]

And Provo's closed, right?

[Paris Hilton]

No. What? No, it's still open.

[Michael]

Whoa.

[Lauren]

Even after the documentary?

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah. And thousands and thousands of people report so much abuse at that school. I don't know how it's still open. 60% of these places have shut down because of this work, which is incredible. But more keep popping up because it's such an unregulated business, and anybody can just open a school or a wilderness camp and do this. It's really, really terrifying. And it's not only happening in the US it's happening all over the world.

[Lauren]

Thank God you came out with this story.

[Michael]

And as you have told your story and discuss it more, have the nightmares stopped for you?

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah.

[Michael]

That's interesting.

[Paris Hilton]

Amazing.

[Michael]

It was like just getting it out there and off your chest.

[Paris Hilton]

Yeah. Which I never thought I would ever, ever not have a nightmare. It was every single night since I was 16 years old. And then two years ago, I just went to Jamaica, and they had these eight boys that they were locking in dog cages, burning with cigarettes, throwing leech on them, starving them. It was the most horrific situation. I went there and helped save those boys.

[Michael]

So how does that get on your radar now? And how do you choose, you know, what to focus on and how and where to help?

[Paris Hilton]

When I started my media company, we have. The second hire of the company was Rebecca, who's my head of Impact. And I have 1111 impact, which is all of my advocacy work that I do. And we have a whole network of people and we work with other survivors. So people are constantly reaching out to us, parents, children, ex employees who have left these places. And just every day people are coming with stories and then I go and shine my big spotlight on them and show people, if you're going to abuse children, I am going to expose you and there will be repercussions.

[Michael]

Good for you.

[Lauren]

This would be very liberating.

[Paris Hilton]

Yes. I messed with the wrong girl.

[Lauren]

I love it.

[Michael]

Underestimated.

[Paris Hilton]

Yes.

[Lauren]

I have just a random question that's a total tangent. What is a hungry tiger?

[Paris Hilton]

A hungry tiger is someone who's desperate and hungry. And that's what we used to call people all the time. Just like those people who are just like not hungry for food. It's like hungry for everything. I'm sure you know some hungry tigers. Oh my God.

[Michael]

Who told us that, you guys?

[Lauren]

I don't remember. So I think I heard her say.

[Paris Hilton]

It and I was just like, you.

[Lauren]

Know, I just feel like it's one of those things. It's an energy, you know, Everyone knows.

[Paris Hilton]

The energy a lot in this town.

[Michael]

Yeah, this town's got a few.

[Lauren]

In your documentary, you said that music saved my life. Can you expand on that for the audience?

[Paris Hilton]

Just how just going through so much as a teenager and getting out of the school and I remember just going out that first night, the first song I heard was the song Free by Ultra Nate. And just those lyrics, like, I just felt like it was like my anthem. And then just like how music has always just brought me so much happiness. Like just going through all of that and going out at night and just like escaping from the pain and not having to think about it and just like losing myself in the music and then doing this documentary and being on stage and performing, like, I realized even more just like how music has just been such a huge part of my life and how it just like, I don't know how it just like music is such a powerful thing and like how like a lyric and just like change your mood or even change your life.

[Lauren]

When you decided to do your new documentary, it's behind you, it's called Infinite Icon, what was the process like? This is obviously something that takes a long time. What is it? What's the behind the scenes of what it takes to get here?

[Paris Hilton]

A lot. Especially going through my archive of thousands of hours of videos. When I was 8 years old, my dad bought me a camcorder for Christmas. And I would film everything, do plays at the house or just me running around doing adventures or whatever. And then when I got older, going out at night, I would always just bring my camera with me everywhere. So I just have all of this unseen footage. So that was, like, so interesting just to, like, go and look back on all of that and like, see who I was before and see, like, what I went through and all the fun times as well. But it was very, like, therapeutic in such a way. And then obviously filming, like, the whole concert, the whole process of getting into it. And then I started also just reflecting back on the 2000s, and just so many people were coming up to me and just always saying, like, oh, my God, your first album is the most underrated pop album of all time.

[Lauren]

Jealousy. That's the best song ever.

[Paris Hilton]

So good. Thank you. So it's just like, I don't know, I wanted to really reflect back on that. And then I just started thinking about the 2000s, about how myself, other women were treated. And it was just like, I don't know, I just wanted to tell that story and just in a way, but through the lens of music. And I really see this as like a trilogy. Like the first part, the first documentary, my memoir, and now this. And also, like, a love letter to all my fans because they've been the ones who really. Their love has carried me through so much of this. And yeah, I feel like I've seen a lot of music documentaries, but I've never seen one like this. It, like, has it all.

[Lauren]

I can't believe that you said that you were nervous to get on stage to perform. That was crazy to me. I wouldn't think you would be nervous.

[Paris Hilton]

A lot of people don't believe that. But I'm such a shy person, so I always feel a little bit shy. And especially, like, doing my first concert, like, I was so nervous, and I'm so happy that I had, right before that, performed as Sia and Miley. I was talking with them and they told me that they both get nervous too. So to hear that these incredible artists, that that's all they do all the time, they get nervous as well. I was like, okay, no, even normal.

[Michael]

We get nervous even to do this today, right? It's like, I think Mel Robbins was on the show recently. He says if you get nervous or anxious about something, it's because you care about it.

[Paris Hilton]

Because you care. That's what Sia told me as well. Which is, like, a really good way to think about it. Cause if you didn't give a shit. You would just be like, yeah, like.

[Michael]

Imagine if we're like, oh, we're just gonna be in Paris, whatever.

[Paris Hilton]

So it's a good thing. So I like to think of it that way. I think it's a really great way to reframe it. Like, I wanna teach my kids that it's also to hold them back from things in life. Like, feeling shy or embarrassed just means you care.

[Lauren]

If you could talk to your younger self or anyone who's listening that feels misunderstood, what would you tell yourself and them?

[Paris Hilton]

I could talk to my younger self. I would say you're going to go through a lot of things in life, and sometimes it's going to be really difficult and scary and hard. I promise you, one day it's going to be worth it. So you're going to use your voice, make a difference for millions of people, and one day, you're going to have beautiful children, an amazing husband, build an incredible business, and inspire people all around the world. So stay strong and don't be afraid to show the world the real you.

[Lauren]

Where can everyone watch your documentary and support what you're doing? Infinite Icon.

[Paris Hilton]

Infinite Icon, a visual memoir will be out in theaters January 30th.

[Lauren]

And where can everyone come say hi to you? I'm sure everyone already follows you, but what's all your social handles?

[Paris Hilton]

My name is.

[Michael Bostick]

Also.

[Lauren]

I do want to say this. Everyone should go buy your book. Your book is so good.

[Paris Hilton]

Thank you.

[Lauren]

I love reading biographies. It's like my favorite thing to do. And Your biography is 10 out of 10.

[Paris Hilton]

Thank you so much.

[Lauren]

So also buy the book, you guys.

[Paris Hilton]

Which will be a television series soon.

[Michael]

Wow, cool.

[Lauren]

Don't you also, I feel like you have a cartoon out.

[Paris Hilton]

I do.

[Lauren]

What's that?

[Paris Hilton]

It's called Paris and pups. It's an animated series on YouTube and it's based on my life. Like me as a little girl with my puppies, living at a hotel, going on adventures. And my kids are obsessed with it. We watch it all the time and it's so much fun.

[Lauren]

I'm going to show it to zaza in towns. Paris, thank you so much for coming on the show.

[Paris Hilton]

Thank you.

[Michael]

Thank you, Paris. Infinite icon forever.

[Paris Hilton]

Thank you.

[Michael]

Thank you.

[Paris Hilton]

Slavery.