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Rachel Zoe On How To Stand Out, Break Through, Stay Relevant, & Build Your Name
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#832: Join us as we sit down with Rachel Zoe – entrepreneur, global fashion authority, media personality, venture capitalist, philanthropist, & devoted mother. After gaining worldwide recognition as a top celebrity stylist, Rachel has since...
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Michael Bostick
The following podcast is a Dear Media Production.
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Katie Sturino
Hi guys, it's Katie from the Skinny Confidential team. Just wanted to pop in here quickly to let you know. On Wednesday, April 23rd at 4:30pm Central Time, Lauren will be going live on the Skinny Confidential Instagram account to do a pregnancy Q and A. She will basically be peppered with questions by you guys, the audience and she will answer each one one by one. You can ask her anything and everything under the sun. Nothing is off limits here. So we'll see you there on Wednesday, April 23, 4:30pm Central Time. And bring all your burning questions for Lauren.
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Michael Bostick
She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Rachel Zoe
Fantastic.
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Michael Bostick
And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostick are bringing you along for the ride.
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Katie Sturino
Get ready for some major realness.
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Michael Bostick
Welcome to the Skinny Confidential. Him and her.
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Rachel Zoe
Ah. Ah.
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Katie Sturino
We are talking to someone today who has built a powerhouse brand. She's a mother of two and she is going to give you the tips to succeed in one of the most competitive industries ever. We talk about breaking into fashion, styling A listers and surviving the industry today with the one, the only, Rachel Zo. She really is an entrepreneur. She's an icon, you guys. Everyone remembers her from the Rachel Zoe Project. It was a total hit Bravo TV show. She also has two New York Times best selling books and the Zoe Report. I found her in person to not only be like this total mogul and powerhouse, but I also found her to be so warm, so cool, so gracious. This episode is one you don't want to miss. And also I want to tell you guys that you can go watch the episode on YouTube. That's really important because sometimes people want to see a visual and Rachel is wearing a fabulous outfit. So I think this is a good one to watch. I think you'll like it. Head over to our YouTube channel if you want to watch it with that Rachel Zo. Welcome to the him and her show.
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Michael Bostick
This is the Skinny Confidential. Him and her.
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Lauren Everts
How did Kris Jenner have six kids?
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Rachel Zoe
How did Kris. Have you met Kris Jenner?
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Lauren Everts
Well, yeah, I've met her and like on the show. But like you think I know her, but I don't.
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Rachel Zoe
If you meet Chris, I've been fortunate to know her for many, many years. Before all the kids were everyone, everyone knows today she's always been this amazing. I mean, Chris is a force of nature. I mean, I don't even know what she's a force of, but she is there. I mean, forget how many children she has, you guys? She has, like, 20 grandchildren, like, and multiple businesses. Like, she is. Kris Jenner is someone that. She's, you know, we use the term, like, she's a queen. She's a queen. She is like the queen.
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Lauren Everts
I feel like you and her have something in common where you make everything.
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Rachel Zoe
Look effortless that is very, very, very.
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Lauren Everts
No, you both do that. Like, I feel like you make the work and the family life just effortless.
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Rachel Zoe
Listen, I don't think any of this is easy for any of us, right? But I think there's this. You know, I've spoken recently about this ability to compartmentalize when you need to. And I think if you don't. I don't think I realized it about myself until maybe, like, this year. I've probably always had it, but I don't think I ever paid attention to it. I think when you're someone that has to do a lot of things or does a lot of things and has to do those things at 100 or 1,000% all the time, you have to be able to, like, you know, segment them. You have to be able to. Otherwise, if something goes wrong in one of those, it completely polarizes all areas, Right? So you have to be able to shut off different things at a time. I think, and I think Chris would probably say that she does that a lot. I mean, she is running multiple empires with multiple children, plus multiple grandchildren. And by the way, she's one of the greatest friends to her friends. She is a girl's girl. She is a girlfriend. And her friends, she's had, like, her whole. She's, you know, her birthday posts are the funniest thing. I think Chris must post a birthday post for someone every other day.
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Lauren Everts
That is true. That's so funny. It's so funny because in the. In the Kardashian show, Kim was saying exactly what you just said, where she says she, like, Mission Impossibles. Do you know what I'm talking about?
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Rachel Zoe
Where she's like, I swipe.
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Lauren Everts
That's like what you're saying. Yeah, you swipe. You just deal with each thing one at a time.
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Michael Bostick
You know what's crazy is I, like, read all this history and Napoleon Bonaparte. I know this is weird.
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Lauren Everts
There we go.
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Michael Bostick
It's a weird direction.
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Lauren Everts
I'm talking about Kris Jenner, Michael.
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Michael Bostick
No, it's a weird direction to take it. I'm going to tell you. But he would describe, like, all the things he was doing. He said he was able to close drawers in his head. Like he would Pull things out and be able to deal with that and then shut a drawer. And it was compartmentalizing. But I was reading it and I was like, all these high performers have this thing in common where they're able to isolate issues and shut them off in their mind and then take them out later.
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Rachel Zoe
Interesting. That's actually really fascinating because I do feel like that sometimes. Not that I would compare myself to that, but I think. But there is this thing where you have to do that or you cannot go to the next thing in a high functioning way.
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Lauren Everts
Have you always been a high performer? Like when you look back when you're really little? How so?
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Rachel Zoe
I think that my parents would say yes, although they would follow that with saying if it was something she wasn't interested in, there is a complete shutdown. Like it is. And I think if you ask my team, they would say the worst thing they could do is force me to do something that I don't want to do or don't believe in because I can't get myself there. And I think that I say that because I think that I am, for better or worse, who I am. Right. And I can't really change that. And I think I sometimes wish I had the ability to, like, fake it a little more. And I don't mean in a way like, I wouldn't be nice to this person or whatever. I just mean, like, even just when I was very young, if there was something in school that I wasn't interested in, it was like my brain quite literally just shut down. Like, I used to compare it to, like, an electric blind. It just like went like this. Like, it just. That line just came down. Like, if I started looking at, like, algebra, there was a complete blackout. It was like, nope, I don't. I'm terrible at this, and therefore I'm not going to try to get better at it. So. But if I was interested in something, it was straight A's all the way. And I gave it 10,000%, which is how I knew I couldn't do something in my life that I wasn't interested in.
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Lauren Everts
What was your first big break with what you were doing?
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Rachel Zoe
You know, it's funny, I get asked that a lot, and I think that I would say there was many along the way. Right. Like, I would say there's different pivotal moments that sort of changed the trajectory of what was coming next. Right. So if I think about it, like, from a public perspective, it was probably when this writer for Women's Wear Daily wrote this huge article about my career and I think I might have been 25 years old.
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Michael Bostick
What year was this?
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Rachel Zoe
Oh, God, I don't know. I really don't know. It was like, I just knew I was living in my wife's village apartment. It was a good 20 plus years ago.
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Michael Bostick
So this is like it really mattered to get those write ups back then?
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Rachel Zoe
Oh yeah. This was like, there was no such thing as a digital anything. What did the write ups say? It was on the COVID of Women's Wear Daily and it said the education of Rachel. At the time, Rosenzweig, which is my maiden last name. Zoe is my birth given middle name. I remember looking at it in polarized fear. Like I woke up at like 6 in the morning. I was like, what happened? Like, I don't, I don't remember if I was interviewed about it or if she just wrote it like on her own. Cause they did that a lot. Like it was sort of, you participate or were writing it anyway. So like, it's like you pick like, do I want to contribute to this or not? And I've done both. And when I have, sometimes they twist your words and when you don't. Now you obviously like record everything and like, whatever, but it was different then. But I would say in terms of styling, there were many moments. And I would say for me, the biggest break of my career was hands down, Tommy Hilfiger. When I was 25 years old, I had been working with his brother Andy, who worked with like JLo and did these like denim lines. And I would go in and pull clothes for different shoots. And I guess Andy had told Tommy about as a stylist. And I was just up and coming and I had just gone freelance and I didn't, I had one job, but I had worked with like Britney Spears and I was starting to work a little with different musicians. And Tommy called me into his office. I was terrified. And he was like, I want to hire you for my next campaign. And I looked at him like, what? Like, it was like a total head tilt. Like, what are you talking? I was the most insecure, like 25. Like my whole life could end if I make the wrong decision. And he said, I have a huge campaign. I'm doing a week in Austin, Texas with the hottest young actors in the industry. Like 10 of them. And then you're gonna go from there to Los Angeles and you're going to style all the biggest male and female supermodels, like 20 of them. Like everyone from like you can't even imagine, right? And I literally looked at him cross Eyed. I didn't even have an assistant at that time. Like, I was like, what are you talking about? And he looked at me, and I said. I literally was like, why do you. Why? And he's like, cause I know you can do it. I think you're really talented. I've seen what you've done. And I was like, what? And I had a full panic. I left his office, like, in a full panic attack. Like, I remember thinking I might die that night because my heart was, like, coming out of my body. And I did it, and I did it. And I took an assistant I barely knew. I had, like, 50 racks of clothes with me in every shape and size. Cause it was boys and girls and men and women and actors. So actors are not all. You know, at the time, every female model was like, you know, the size across the board right at the time. But I was working with actors, too. And everyone had different styles and different tastes. I was. You guys. It was the scariest two weeks of my entire life. And it was the hugest, most expensive, elaborate production. He, like, recreated the White House in the Griffith Observatory. So he gave me my very first break. And after that moment, I started working with, like, Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, Enrique Iglesias. And I worked with them for, like, I mean, years and years and years and years. And then I moved to LA and shifted from music to red carpet.
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Lauren Everts
What do you do if one of them wants to wear something that you don't like?
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Rachel Zoe
One of, like, a pop star, like a. In general, a celebrity. If they want to wear something I don't like, I don't bring anything I don't like.
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Lauren Everts
You don't? You don't.
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Rachel Zoe
I don't bring anything I don't like.
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Lauren Everts
Okay, what are they?
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Rachel Zoe
What if, like, if I hate it, I won't pull it, but I will. If it doesn't look right, they will look at me like, my clients would always be like, you hate it? I'm like, no, not at all. And they're like, what do you want me to wear? Then we'd go through the list of, like, well, and then I'd break it down, you know, but never anything I hated. Cause I would always know that that would be the one that would get chosen.
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Lauren Everts
When did you get into the Paris and Nikki days? Cause those were, like, iconic days.
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Rachel Zoe
I feel like Paris and Nicole days. I mean, that was 2000. Three, four, five, six, seven. Misha, Nicole, Lindsay.
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Lauren Everts
Like, where you heard about them and, like, where you were.
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Rachel Zoe
Well, yeah. I remember the day I met Nicole Richie. It was because I was working with her dad. I was styling Lionel, and I was very close with him. He's one of my very most favorite people. I mean, how many Lionel Richie songs I made out with Boyz 2 is next level.
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Lauren Everts
I love Lionel Richie.
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Rachel Zoe
I mean, are you kidding?
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Michael Bostick
I love Lionel Richie.
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Rachel Zoe
Every time I hear a Lionel Richie song, I'm like, yeah, that was Paul. That was. You know. And you literally found. Yeah, yeah. But anyway, so I was working with Lionel, and he basically said to me, I need to ask you a favor. And he's like, can you help me? Can you help my daughter? We're doing a really. We're doing Oprah together. And it's like, I really just, you know, if you could help dress her for that, that would be great. And I was like, of course. And at the time, she was doing Simple Life with Paris, you know, Nicole. And I put her in this white kind of, like, cap sleeve, very fitted, like, with a sort of very fitted waist and a pencil skirt kind of skirt suit. And after that, she basically called me and was like, I've never gotten so many compliments. I've never. Whatever, now I need you to dress me for everything. And, like, from that point on, she became my sister. And we literally did something every day. And then, you know, Lindsay was right around then. Misha Barton. But also simultaneously, totally different than that was like, I was also working with Keira Knightley and Salma Hayek and Eva Mendes and Cameron Diaz and Kate Hudson and Jane Garner all at the same time. So there was, like, you know, these young, amazing girls. And then there was also very talented, amazing, I guess, women. I don't know, both.
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Lauren Everts
Were there other stylists like you at the time? Because I don't remember any, you know.
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Rachel Zoe
I don't know, because I. The stylists, for the most part, were really mean to me. When I moved here of the world, it was the mean girl of mean girl situation.
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Lauren Everts
You're so not a mean girl.
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Rachel Zoe
I'm not a mean girl.
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Lauren Everts
No, I. Could I. No, you're warm.
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Rachel Zoe
No, I am the polar opposite. In fact, I've. I don't, in fact, know how to be a mean girl. You know, I really don't.
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Lauren Everts
It's easier to be nice.
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Rachel Zoe
That said, when someone is a scathing, disgusting, deceitful, lying, horrible person, you feel.
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Lauren Everts
Like you're talking about someone in particular.
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Rachel Zoe
Oh, I've. There's a. There's a top ten. But I think. I think in that. I think in those moments, I do have like, kind of these mental deaths for people. So I just. They do. You know, I do cut. There is a. There's a line there. But I would say other than that, like, I definitely am the opposite of a mean girl, because I was mean girled my whole life. And so I'm very sensitive about women. And I'm very. I think part of the reason girls is because there's always been very limited space for women, and there's this fierce competition that if you're not the prettiest, the richest, the this, the that, the skinniest, the best dressed, the most, you know, whatever that those things are. But I think now, hopefully we're trying very hard to open more seats at every table across the board that will hopefully make women less petty and root for each other rather than compete with each other.
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Michael Bostick
So you got shit even when you.
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Rachel Zoe
Were kindergarten and up.
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Michael Bostick
What do you think was the cause of that?
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Rachel Zoe
I think I was too nice.
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Lauren Everts
I don't think it's the way you look. I'm just gonna say you're cute, you're tiny, you're beautiful, blah, blah, blah, everything. I think it's the way you look.
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Rachel Zoe
I think that. Listen, I think guys were always nice to me. Girls were not.
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Lauren Everts
Wow, that was a shocker.
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Rachel Zoe
So I think that also made it harder. But I will say this. I always had two girlfriends, right? So through my whole school life, there was two girls that I could say, like, these are my people.
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Michael Bostick
The same ones, or.
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Rachel Zoe
No, you just would have to. Yes. Throughout my, like, school life. Yes. And then college, same. I had, like, two or three besties. And it wasn't until the last, like, honestly, 10 years that I think I have hundreds of friends. Like, I've amassed a lot of friends over my career. Like, I have lifelong friends that I can go and even in the fashion industry that became life friends, right? Where, like, I cannot see them for nine months, and then I see them in summer. And we will hang out every day as if nothing has changed and no time has passed. And I have a lot of people in my life like that because I think people with busy lives have a mutual respect for each other and grace for each other that, like, you know, we're not talking every day. You know, I'm not even calling you every two weeks. But, like, you're my person, and you know that. So I. I need people like that in my life. But I would say pretty recently in Covid, I realized that I needed some new friends because, you know, I think there's, like, a cleansing process that occurs over different points in your life. And I literally have the greatest friends. Like, I don't even know what else to say. I'm the luckiest person. I have the best girlfriends.
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Lauren Everts
How do you manage to stay so down to earth in the city?
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Rachel Zoe
Because it's not easy in this city. Well, I'm from New York.
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Lauren Everts
Okay, so you think that that helps. But you're here.
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Rachel Zoe
I'm here. I'm here. But I've been here 20 years.
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Lauren Everts
I've been here 20 years.
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Rachel Zoe
This is what I would say. I would say that I've always been. Work has been my priority, and then shifted from work to my kids. And now my life is my work and my kids. And I would say that I had to learn early on. And maybe this is when I started to compartmentalize that. You can't let people take you down that don't know you, and you can't let things. The end of the day, I know this is gonna sound so weird. Cause every time I say it, my team even laughs at me. I'm this normal person living a crazy life, and I don't even know what normal is. But I can say that, like, I have always been seemingly very normal in the industries that I've grown up in and chosen to work in. Because they're frenetic, they are volatile, and they are insane. And there is more pettiness in fashion and entertainment than probably any other business. I'm not really sure, but I think across the board, whether you're a hairstylist, you're a makeup artist. The stories that I have, the things that I have lived through, the things that I've experienced, the things that I've witnessed with other people. And the way, like, an agent who has, like, 20 of the best clients in the world, that their assistant just walked out and took them all with them. Like, you have to almost just be like, you know what? Nothing's gonna shock me. I'm not letting that take me down. I'm not gonna let that ruin how I look at people. Because I think staying grounded is sort of the only thing you have in this life. If you do not keep your humility, you turn into an actual monster. And I just am never gonna be that person. I don't like people like that. I am. I am immediately deterred by people like that. I'm very put off by people like that.
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Lauren Everts
So what do you do if you're styling someone and they're acting like a monster? You just won't work with them?
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Rachel Zoe
I won't Work with them. I fired in my career, four people.
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Michael Bostick
It doesn't sound strange when you say it. I think a lot of these people that you're alluding to, you could start to build this narrative when you start reading press clippings and thinking that that's the real thing as opposed to just being who you actually are. And you get these people that start to think that they're maybe breathing rarer air or of a different breed. I mean, doing this show for as long as we've done it, you see all kinds.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah, of course.
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Michael Bostick
And I always look at those situations like, wow, this person is really lacking self awareness when they come in like that. It's like they're just disconnected from what's actually happening 100%.
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Rachel Zoe
And I know quite a lot of people like that that just walk into a room, cannot read it at all. And it's hard to watch sometimes. Like, truthfully, I really think that in this industry, in order to survive, you have to be able to read that room and you also have to know when to leave that room.
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Michael Bostick
Yes.
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Lauren Everts
Well, I also think that you can't read a room when you have no one around you that's telling you the truth.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah. But hopefully you have it. Hopefully you can read that. You have to feed off your energy. Right. Like your energy is what serves you. And I know for me, and I am definitely not woo woo, I would say, but I am definitely someone who senses an energy about somebody and I pretty much can. And it might be by experience, it might be by trial and error at this point because I don't know that I saw the red flags as clearly as I can see it now. And I think you have to know, I'm not saying you have to like, be mean to anyone, but you have to kind of know safe distance, right?
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Michael Bostick
Yeah, I think that's like, not even just for some of the people. I think that's for anything.
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Rachel Zoe
No, it's for anything personal life, professional.
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Michael Bostick
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Michael Bostick
Yeah, people really get in a lot of trouble when they can't read the room and aren't self aware and they're like going through life missing so much of what's actually going on around them. It's, it's interesting to like watch those wheels start to kind of. Because you just like Somebody's just, like, going down this path that's like an absolute disaster for everybody else around them, but they just can't see it.
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Rachel Zoe
Yeah.
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Lauren Everts
Who's been your most favorite client that you love? Like, friend, but also they just get it. When it comes to taste, it's hard.
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Rachel Zoe
To pick a favorite, but I would say I had some incredible moments with Kate Hudson. We had a lot of fun. She's very much like, my style soulmate. Like, if I had 100 dresses in there and I had my two favorites, she would be like. She would, like, go right to it. She would. Without saying, like, what's your favorite? You know? So I would say, like, style wise, we are probably the most connected. But I've had some, you know, Jen Lawrence moments, like Anne Hathaway moments, Keira Knightley moments that really, like, were game changers for me just in terms of, like, what made me feel so. Just full. Jen Garner's one of the most magical people in the world. We're still really excited.
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Lauren Everts
How is she so magical?
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Rachel Zoe
She just is. She's not.
- [25:55]
Lauren Everts
Is she really like that?
- [25:56]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah. What you see is exactly Lee who she is, and that's why she's such a rare bird.
- [26:02]
Lauren Everts
For cookies for my kids.
- [26:04]
Rachel Zoe
Cookies. That's, like, the good news. She's already made, like, biscotti. She's made pancakes. She's already, like, probably gotten eggs from the chicken. I mean, she is born.
- [26:13]
Lauren Everts
I'm not making biscottis at 5:30am for you. I'm sorry would be nice.
- [26:16]
Rachel Zoe
No, I am making Belgian waffles. I'm not gonna lie.
- [26:18]
Lauren Everts
I do cook.
- [26:20]
Rachel Zoe
I mean, it's a good one.
- [26:21]
Lauren Everts
Okay.
- [26:21]
Rachel Zoe
My son's obsessed. I mean, they're not as good as the Beverly Hills Hotel ones.
- [26:24]
Lauren Everts
No, those are good.
- [26:25]
Rachel Zoe
Those are. Those are game changers.
- [26:26]
Lauren Everts
Those are very good.
- [26:27]
Rachel Zoe
No, those are. Those are game changing.
- [26:29]
Lauren Everts
What makes you cringe when you see someone wearing something besides my pregnancy dress?
- [26:34]
Rachel Zoe
I love your pregnancy dress. Pregnancy. I'm not joking. I mean this when I say it. There is every time I see a pregnant woman, there is this, like, glimmer. There is this little, like, spark of envy that I'm like, God, I wish I was pregnant. And then it passes, and I'm like, okay, I'm glad I'm not. But I would say be brutal. Honestly, you want me to be brutal? I can't be brutal.
- [26:59]
Lauren Everts
Well, it makes you. I know you have things that make you cringe.
- [27:02]
Michael Bostick
I was watching the Grammys the other day, and somebody, like, wore a house on their head. And I thought that was weird.
- [27:05]
Lauren Everts
Well, someone wore nothing too, that.
- [27:08]
Rachel Zoe
I can't. I can't. I just can't. I'm not even gonna touch that. But I can't, because I can't touch it.
- [27:14]
Michael Bostick
Would you rather go nothing or house on your head?
- [27:16]
Rachel Zoe
House on my head. Really? There's no world. I'm walking down a carpet with no clothes on. I mean, there's no world that it's not.
- [27:22]
Lauren Everts
You know what, though? It got people talking.
- [27:24]
Rachel Zoe
You know what gets people talking when someone doesn't wear no clothing?
- [27:27]
Lauren Everts
That's true.
- [27:28]
Rachel Zoe
Because they talk about how good you look in that look.
- [27:30]
Lauren Everts
That's true.
- [27:31]
Michael Bostick
But you see, this kind of. The problem with the world is, like, got some. It got everyone talking. I'm like, do we always have to be talked about in this way?
- [27:37]
Rachel Zoe
I think you should be talked about in a way. Like, she shut that carpet down. Like, she looked like, you know, Kelsey Ballerini or Olivia Rodrigo, like, in a vintage Gianni Versace gown that looked absolutely perfect for the Grammys. Like, you know, talk about T. Swift's, you know, Ruby tea on her thigh. Like, okay, let's talk about that. We always talk about Taylor Swift, right? Like, there are ways to be talked about. And I think to do something that garners that much, to get a rise out of people, to me, off puts me. I would say for me to go to your question, I would say, like, I am immediately put off by someone that is trying too hard to get people's attention. To me, the biggest. The most attractive thing is the seemingly effortlessness of how somebody looks. So even if they look extraordinary, they didn't look like it wasn't supposed to be on them. You know what I mean? Like Zoe Kravitz. Right. Sienna Miller. Like, I could go down the line of people that. And then you have, like, the Nicole Kidman moments, right, that are epically perfect. But, you know, she didn't try. She did. Like, she sat in the hair and makeup and the whole thing, but she knew she didn't do 16 fittings to get to that. You know what I mean? And I think. I think these are just a few examples of people that, to me, they never put me off. You know, what puts me off is the person that wears a house on their head to garner that attention. And I just think, to me, that screams bigger things of, like, I need you to talk about what I'm doing right now.
- [29:09]
Lauren Everts
You know, it's kind of like the swan. Remember the swan?
- [29:12]
Rachel Zoe
Bjork Swan? Yeah, yeah, I do. I'll never forget the swan.
- [29:14]
Lauren Everts
Yeah, how could you forget the swan?
- [29:16]
Rachel Zoe
Can't forget the swan.
- [29:16]
Lauren Everts
I'm just noticing that my husband dressed up for you differently than he normally.
- [29:20]
Rachel Zoe
Oh, I feel like this is like your normal. No. What do you normally wear like a hoodie? Are you like a cute hoodie guy?
- [29:24]
Lauren Everts
No, just a T shirt. This is interesting. Here's the thing I just noticed.
- [29:27]
Michael Bostick
I think I just noticed this as I've gotten older. I don't like the idea of being a cute hoodie guy anymore.
- [29:34]
Rachel Zoe
Okay, he's. But you look really painfully young.
- [29:38]
Michael Bostick
Well, I'm not. Yeah, I'm like almost. I'm 38. I'm not super old, but. But I.
- [29:43]
Rachel Zoe
You don't even have a 4 but.
- [29:45]
Michael Bostick
I don't know, I don't.
- [29:46]
Rachel Zoe
You still deserve to wear a hoodie if you feel like wearing a hoodie.
- [29:48]
Michael Bostick
I'm not trying to be like 20, though.
- [29:49]
Lauren Everts
Let me tell you something.
- [29:50]
Rachel Zoe
Can I tell you? I know 60 year old men that only wear hoodies at this point.
- [29:53]
Lauren Everts
Not Michael. Michael's very stylish.
- [29:55]
Rachel Zoe
Listen, I am living for this, but.
- [29:58]
Michael Bostick
I could not imagine being a six year old guy trying to be pretend. I'm like not a 6 year old.
- [30:04]
Rachel Zoe
See, really? I know so many of us.
- [30:05]
Michael Bostick
I like to like be in my E of my age.
- [30:08]
Rachel Zoe
Can I say something though?
- [30:09]
Lauren Everts
Yes, please do.
- [30:10]
Rachel Zoe
When I see a guy, don't think I didn't notice the look, by the way.
- [30:14]
Lauren Everts
I think he was waiting for you to acknowledge it.
- [30:16]
Rachel Zoe
I didn't know if this was like his daily norm.
- [30:18]
Michael Bostick
No, it's pretty norm lately.
- [30:20]
Lauren Everts
Yeah.
- [30:21]
Rachel Zoe
I mean, it looks Tom Fordy. Like it looks. Are we in Tom Ford?
- [30:24]
Lauren Everts
Yeah. What are you wearing?
- [30:25]
Rachel Zoe
Are you in Tom Ford? I knew it. I knew it by the stitching and the shirt. It's flawless.
- [30:30]
Michael Bostick
You know, I don't. We were a whole company meeting today. We had a whole thing going on. I don't want to be like in a hoodie and a sweatshirt. I don't know.
- [30:35]
Rachel Zoe
No, no, no. For a whole company meeting and you're leading the company. Don't. Not telling you to wear a hoodie. I'm saying that like, you could wear a hoodie.
- [30:43]
Michael Bostick
Like I used to push it further when I was younger. Now I just think like classic.
- [30:47]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah.
- [30:48]
Michael Bostick
I can't go wrong. And I'm not trying to like upstage, you know, my wife's weird. Like, what if I'm sitting here, she's.
- [30:52]
Rachel Zoe
Got the eyes, so you can't upstage the eyes.
- [30:55]
Michael Bostick
What if I Wore like, a pouch on my head and like a weird.
- [30:57]
Lauren Everts
Let me tell you something about him, though. He has such good style to the point where he. Kanye my closet. He came in and was like, no. Is that a term you can say everything?
- [31:08]
Michael Bostick
Well, she had a lot of junk in there.
- [31:09]
Rachel Zoe
I don't think we can say anything anymore about anyone over it, though.
- [31:13]
Michael Bostick
People keep saying that.
- [31:14]
Rachel Zoe
I think it's going to swing the other way. I think we'll be able to go back to saying certain things again. I'm not sure what they are, and I'm too scared to say anything.
- [31:21]
Michael Bostick
I've been saying these things the whole nine years, and people keep saying it once we're going to be able to. I've just been like. We've just been here saying things, you.
- [31:26]
Rachel Zoe
Know, Listen, I do want to say that when I see a guy, absolute stranger, in an absolutely random place, and he has a good outfit on, I will 1000% tell him that he looks great. Because a guy that puts in the effort, to me is worth 10x what it is when a woman puts in the effort. I know that that's a weird thing to say, but guys just don't give a f. Am I allowed to curse?
- [31:54]
Lauren Everts
No. Yeah, you go.
- [31:54]
Rachel Zoe
Guys don't give a fuck. They don't. They just want to wear the same pants in eight different colors and eight different things. They order it online and they're like, this fits me. I want it in every fab. And by the way, you may do that.
- [32:04]
Lauren Everts
He does not do that. He has a tailor. He has.
- [32:07]
Rachel Zoe
I love that about you.
- [32:08]
Lauren Everts
But you also.
- [32:09]
Michael Bostick
These guys, these guys I need to get rid of. They say these dumb things like, I need to get rid of decision fatigue. So I wear a black shirt every day, all day. And I'm like, yeah, is that such a hard fucking decision to, like, just put a shirt and a jacket on? Like, how many decisions are you making? That's that. I mean, it took me honestly three seconds to just make a decision to wear this. It wasn't that hard. I don't. I don't need to stare at a closet.
- [32:30]
Lauren Everts
Oh, that's not true. Because you picked it out for Rachel.
- [32:32]
Michael Bostick
Yeah, but it was easy to pick.
- [32:33]
Lauren Everts
Out as well that you had to take from Austin. So let's.
- [32:35]
Michael Bostick
You know where they get in trouble is when you have too many variations of, like, really loud things. But if you just have, like, the classics, it's hard to.
- [32:42]
Rachel Zoe
It's the uniform concept.
- [32:44]
Michael Bostick
So, okay, end the show because now Rachel said that I had Effort. And it's good.
- [32:48]
Lauren Everts
So when you get dressed, how do you think about it?
- [32:50]
Rachel Zoe
Me? I don't.
- [32:51]
Lauren Everts
You don't think about it?
- [32:52]
Rachel Zoe
I didn't know what I was wearing 15 minutes before I got here.
- [32:55]
Lauren Everts
How do you do that? It's just natural.
- [32:57]
Rachel Zoe
It's just how I breathe. It's. I don't. It's not, it's like, it's like how a doctor would look at something and know how to treat it. It's. I just, it's. It's how I. It's. I don't think about it. So what do you do? And I don't plan it.
- [33:10]
Lauren Everts
What flatters you? Like already I do.
- [33:13]
Rachel Zoe
What I know. Like I have maybe like 50 pairs of black tux pants and different fabrics and different weights and different whatever. And that's my, like, that's my go to. Like how it would be someone else's like leggings or skinny jeans or whatever it is. But for me, like, black tuck pants are my uniform. Right. So they're like a flare and they're. Some are high waisted, some are low waisted, they're different weights and whatever. But then I have a thousand shirts that I'll just throw on with some jacket. That's my uniform. What's the brand of the tuck pants mine? Rachel Zoe.
- [33:44]
Lauren Everts
I need to get some.
- [33:45]
Rachel Zoe
I mean, they're from like my last collections for 10 months. There's also like Tom Ford's. There's, you know, a couple different brands in there. Balmain, you know. But they're all the same kind of vibe. Right? Cause that's my go to. It's like my, it's, it's my go to.
- [34:01]
Lauren Everts
Would you ever be caught dead in leggings?
- [34:03]
Rachel Zoe
No.
- [34:04]
Lauren Everts
Never?
- [34:04]
Rachel Zoe
No.
- [34:05]
Lauren Everts
What do you do to work out? Do you work out?
- [34:07]
Rachel Zoe
No.
- [34:07]
Lauren Everts
Never.
- [34:08]
Rachel Zoe
Sometimes. Rarely.
- [34:10]
Lauren Everts
Because you're so busy.
- [34:11]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah. I mean, it's like I'd have to get up at 4, you know. But I would say this. I recently purchased a treadmill. Once I knew we couldn't walk outside. Cause that was my exercise that like I would go with my boys on a walk and we'd walk like a mile. I don't know, I don't know. Maybe I clocked it. Maybe it was a mile and a half, like around our area.
- [34:29]
Michael Bostick
Couldn't walk outside because of the fires or something.
- [34:31]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah. Because now the air quality. So I got a treadmill. I've used it twice when I have moments of, oh my God, Rachel, get it together. Start doing Tracey Anderson. I will literally Text Tracy and be like, I need to start tomorrow. And then all of a sudden I'm in my room working out with this amazing person and I'm like, I need the 30 minute version of Tracy Anderson. There is no world. I'm doing two hours and sweating with other people. It's not happening. That will never happen for me.
- [34:59]
Michael Bostick
30 minutes is good.
- [34:59]
Rachel Zoe
I dream about it.
- [35:00]
Michael Bostick
30 minutes is good.
- [35:00]
Rachel Zoe
30 minutes, I feel like, is all that is my absolute maximum that I am ever exercising.
- [35:04]
Lauren Everts
What's a day in the life?
- [35:06]
Rachel Zoe
Chaos. There's just, I mean, it depends because every day is different. There's no day that's the same ever in my whole life. Like, I've never had the same day ever.
- [35:14]
Lauren Everts
Well, give us examples of days that maybe are similar.
- [35:18]
Rachel Zoe
Okay, let's see. So you know, I'm like single now. So I'm a single mom. Love it. And so I'm living with my favorite people. My children love it. And we, you know, up, up, up, up. There is no. I haven't had a nanny since the kids were. I mean I think it's now seven, like probably like six years now. But I have an assistant, so she helps like drive and babysit and all this stuff. But up wake children breakfast. I make breakfast. Belgian waffles, pancakes, protein, eggs, whole thing. The kids like a real breakfast. There's no like here's a granola bar and get in the car. There isn't that they eat and they might eat like 16 times a day. I feel like a short order cook on most days. And then basically I then get them to school and I drive one, my synthetic extra is another. And we basically. Then it's to the races. Then it's like shower, dress, podcast meetings, a million and one zooms or an off site something, a shoot or whatever. And then I'm literally pretty much working until the kids get home. And then I basically try to when they get home, like call it 4 depending on if they have after school it's 5, then I'm mom. And if I have something that is, you know, it's timely, then I'll go do it in my office while they're doing homework or whatever. But I try to always 100% mom when they're home and they're at an age which is so great that I can say like, mommy has to go out tonight for X. I'll be home, check you in or. So it's basically like a work kid juggle on and off until they go to sleep. Which very unfortunately since the new Year's cause they've been so off with the fires and moving around, they've been going to bed at 11. So my alone time has been starting for the last six weeks at like 11pm so I've been going to sleep and I need that alone time. Like I hold it, I need it. And I'll go to bed at like this morning, was it two? And I'm not proud of that. I do not recommend this at all. I am a weirdly, what do they call it, High functioning on very little sleep kind of person and I don't recommend it. I'm sure it is terrible for you on every level.
- [37:34]
Michael Bostick
Should be fine like six hours and feel good.
- [37:35]
Rachel Zoe
The six hours would be like 12. Yes. Six hours to me is like the most beautiful night's sleep ever. I do not understand this wave of women and men that are literally getting in bed and going to sleep at like 9.
- [37:48]
Lauren Everts
I go to bed at 8.
- [37:50]
Rachel Zoe
You are pregnant when you're not pregnant, you're 30 for real.
- [37:53]
Lauren Everts
Unless I'm going out. Right.
- [37:56]
Rachel Zoe
But you actually can fall. That would be like a disco nap for me if I did that. I would not. That is impossible on every level for me.
- [38:04]
Lauren Everts
I wake up at 10.
- [38:05]
Michael Bostick
You know what's interesting though? Since we moved.
- [38:07]
Rachel Zoe
That's beautiful. That is. Congratulations. Are you a Libra? What sign are you?
- [38:11]
Lauren Everts
I'm Gemini. But to be like semi decent looking, I have to get sleep.
- [38:17]
Rachel Zoe
But see a lot of my friends are like that. If my friends don't get eight hours, they don't talk to a soul. They like hate everyone. Are you that?
- [38:24]
Lauren Everts
Yeah. He wakes up, he starts talking to me about like, of course.
- [38:28]
Rachel Zoe
It's the curse of working together.
- [38:29]
Lauren Everts
Wait, what?
- [38:30]
Michael Bostick
I have like.
- [38:31]
Rachel Zoe
You have a business idea, right?
- [38:32]
Michael Bostick
I don't have like a ramp up period. I just can like wake up, you know. Sounds similar. Right? You're just ready to go when you go. Yeah, that's me.
- [38:38]
Lauren Everts
Do you do any wellness practices?
- [38:41]
Rachel Zoe
Describe wellness practices.
- [38:42]
Lauren Everts
Like do you sauna? Do you cold plunge? No, she doesn't do anything.
- [38:45]
Rachel Zoe
That is so this cold plunge thing. Guys, I need to talk about this. You'd like it. Okay, here's the thing. I believe that it might work because I have maybe 200 people in my life that have said everything From I've lost 50 pounds because I cold plunge to I'm a better person because I cold plunge. My cholesterol is lower because of my. Obviously it's working.
- [39:08]
Lauren Everts
I think that I lost £50. Might be Ozempic.
- [39:10]
Rachel Zoe
There is. Yes, I think, yeah. And they're like, there is not a world in which I am getting an e cold plunge. Because it is so shocking that I would like, literally that I don't go in oceans for that reason. So why am I going to electively get into an ice cold. I take the hottest showers to the point where I might have like burns. Cause it's like, it feels so good. It's like hot showers, the most relaxing, like heavenly, you know, like a good 15 minute hot, burning hot showers.
- [39:43]
Michael Bostick
But I feel like you might actually like the cold because you've got.
- [39:45]
Lauren Everts
She's not doing it. I can tell.
- [39:46]
Michael Bostick
She's got a personality though. Like, seems like you got a lot of energy, so.
- [39:49]
Rachel Zoe
I do. And I've never done drugs.
- [39:51]
Michael Bostick
Ever.
- [39:52]
Lauren Everts
Ever?
- [39:53]
Rachel Zoe
No. Can you imagine if I did cocaine? Really?
- [39:55]
Michael Bostick
You know what? I've never done it either. And I always say to people, same thing. Like you've.
- [39:59]
Rachel Zoe
Can you imagine? Do I need something else?
- [40:01]
Michael Bostick
I would be the worst. Even I'm chatty now. You think I'm chatty now? Oh my God.
- [40:06]
Lauren Everts
If you did cocaine, I would just be like, let's call it.
- [40:10]
Michael Bostick
I wonder. Like, I'm like, okay. Like, do you know why I always stayed away from it? Cause I feel like I would fucking love it. Like, I just know, like I like going fast and if I got on that, I would just same.
- [40:20]
Rachel Zoe
I'd be addicted in the first hour.
- [40:22]
Lauren Everts
What's a capsule collection for someone who has nowhere to start when it comes to styling? You mentioned tux pants.
- [40:29]
Rachel Zoe
I want to go back to the wellness thing. Does it count if I stay in a bathrobe all day? Like if I. If my kids aren't home and I take a few hours and I can just knock it out of that. Skims or barefoot dreams.
- [40:41]
Lauren Everts
Same with me. When you're pregnant, I look like a roly poly. I don't give a fuck.
- [40:45]
Rachel Zoe
A barefoot dreams robe is like wrapping yourself in this cloud of like giving yourself a hug. It's a really beautiful thing. My kids have been in them since birth.
- [40:54]
Lauren Everts
Those are the best robes. They really are. Michael, you gotta get one.
- [40:57]
Michael Bostick
But I like the blankets.
- [40:58]
Rachel Zoe
You don't have the robe.
- [40:58]
Lauren Everts
He has the blankets.
- [40:59]
Rachel Zoe
You should have the robe.
- [41:00]
Michael Bostick
I'm not a big robe guy.
- [41:00]
Rachel Zoe
Are you too hot? You get too hot?
- [41:02]
Michael Bostick
I don't like it. It seems like more of an effort to go.
- [41:04]
Rachel Zoe
Guys have an issue with heavy robes. They get really hot and I'm always cold. So to me it's like a gift from.
- [41:09]
Lauren Everts
That's wellnessy yeah.
- [41:10]
Rachel Zoe
That's my wellness, so I love it. And skincare. Like, like, you know, Barbara Sturm's thought, you know, like that kind of stuff.
- [41:16]
Michael Bostick
Yeah.
- [41:16]
Lauren Everts
Your skin is beautiful.
- [41:17]
Rachel Zoe
Oh, thank you. Your skin is beautiful. Thank you.
- [41:20]
Lauren Everts
Like, you already look amazing on Instagram, but in person. Yeah.
- [41:23]
Rachel Zoe
God, you're so sweet in person.
- [41:26]
Lauren Everts
That's the first thing I noticed. I'm a big skin person and that's the first thing I noticed about you.
- [41:30]
Rachel Zoe
I don't do a lot. I'll be honest with you. I don't do a lot, but I do pound with oils and serums and skin care and stuff. Of course I do like Botox, but.
- [41:38]
Lauren Everts
Like, it looks great.
- [41:39]
Rachel Zoe
Thank you.
- [41:39]
Lauren Everts
Yeah. 10 out of 10.
- [41:40]
Rachel Zoe
Thanks.
- [41:40]
Lauren Everts
What's the capsule collection?
- [41:42]
Rachel Zoe
Easy. For someone who has nowhere to start.
- [41:44]
Lauren Everts
Nowhere to start.
- [41:45]
Rachel Zoe
Okay, so you have. The most important thing is that you know what works on you. That's the first step. Meaning you have to know that like I know that my legs look the longest when I wear a wide leg trouser. Right? Like a wide leg. So some women think they look better in a skinny leg pant. Right. Or a cigarette pant or a crop pant. Right. Or a wide leg or a flared leg. You have to kind of identify that once you identify, I look the best and feel the best in this style of pant. Then you stock up on those, right? In denim, in chambray, in black, in gray, in tan, in white. Different variations on the same thing, right? Then you get your staple top, your tanks, your camisoles, your button ups, your pullovers, your things that you know are comfortable, wear well and like our go tos. And for me, it's always been a jacket. A jacket has always been my number one priority in my wardrobe.
- [42:42]
Lauren Everts
Which brands?
- [42:43]
Rachel Zoe
Every. I mean, this is like a vintage Isabel Marant. I have a million and one vintage, like faux furs, furs and things and vests and, you know, vintage Chanel jackets. And like I have a collection of jackets. I have hundreds of jackets of every length, every fabric, every weight. I must have 50 black leather jackets of sorts to throw on over a tank, a tee, a blouse, a cami with pants and you're good to go. Like a lip brush your hair, throw it up in a messy top knot. Like 10 minutes. 10 minutes.
- [43:21]
Lauren Everts
What about accessories? Because you are. You're wearing accessories right now.
- [43:24]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah, but I can't breathe without accessories. That's like part of the whole thing. I think about that like I would a T shirt. Do you know what I mean? Like that's part of my whole, like, I don't think I literally don't believe I've left my house without a piece of jewelry on ever in the history of my life, like since I was 8. I started styling people when I was 7, 8 years old, but I didn't know it was styling. I just would like dress all my friends and then I didn't like the way my family friend son dressed. I hated that he was wearing Adidas shorts and T shirts every day with the matching socks. He'd wear blue one day, red one day. And I went over to his house when he wasn't home. He was at soccer and I went up to his closet and I pulled out all these clothes and I laid them on the bed and I labeled them for the day of the week for seven days and he wore some of it.
- [44:13]
Michael Bostick
Doing this show for the last decade, as I've continued to age, what I've also continued to do is feel better, get healthier. And that's because we learned so many amazing tips and tricks and tools and tactics on this show, talking to experts in all sorts of different fields. I feel like this has been a Masters, a PhD in education in all different areas of life because again, we get the source right from the experts. One of those things that we've changed, which has drastically changed the health of our lives and our family's lives, is changing the household cleaning supplies in our house to Branch Basics. After talking to their founders, we realize how many harmful chemicals, hormone disruptors and fragrances are in most cleaning supplies. And what we realized is that most of those cleaning supplies are doing more harm than good. So when the founders of Branch Basics came on this show and offered a better solution, we were quick to dive in. For me, it makes no sense as a population where we continue to use harmful products when there are better, healthier alternatives that do a better job and actually provide the same function. Branch Basics premium starter kit replaces dozens of toxic cleaners with just one powerful plant and mineral based concentrate. There's no synthetic fragrances, no harsh chemicals, no hormone disruptors. It's just real effective cleaning that's safe for babies, pets and the planet. You can use it to tackle everything from counters, bathrooms, laundry, washing your produce with all with one simple fragrance free formula that actually works. We made this change years ago, like I said, after interviewing the founders and we have not looked back. So check it out. Stop using these harmful chemical, fragrance, hormone disrupting cleaning supplies in your house and make a better choice. Visit BranchBasics.comSkinny15 and use code Skinny15 at checkout for 15 off plus free shipping off your first purchase. That's BranchBasics.com Skinny15 and use code skinny15 for 15% off plus free shipping on your first order of your premium starter kit today. Quick break to talk about Nowadays Founded in 2023, Nowadays was created to put a new spin on drinking. The brand was born from the desire to change the future of how we consume beverages, offering an easy entry point to cannabis that can be enjoyed just like alcohol. Nowadays is a cannabis infused beverage brand designed to deliver a light, buzzy experience without the hangover. You can expect a gentle lift within the first 10 to 20 minutes followed by a social buzz in 20 to 40 minutes and smooth transition or subtle decline in your buzz by 45 to 60 minutes. So unlike alcohol, this doesn't have a long, long lasting effect, but it can still give you a nice social buzz. Nowadays. Cannabis infused spirits are the perfect base for your favorite cocktail and come in bottles in three varieties. Microdose which is 2mg low dose which is 5mg and high dose which is 10mg all with a crisp and light citrus flavor. Additionally, Nowadays has also launched their THC canned cocktails which are ready to drink beverages that come in four refreshing flavors, Tropical, spicy, lime, Citrus and berry. And what's nice is each can contains only 4 grams of sugar so check them out if you're looking for a new spin on drinking Nowadays has you covered for good nights and even better mornings. Nowadays it's easy to purchase with direct to door delivery. You must be 21 to order at www.trynowadays.com Again, that's Try nowadays. N O W A d a y s.com trynowadays.com and use code skinny at checkout for 20% off your first purchase. Trynowadays.com use code skinny for 20% off your first order. Trynowadays.com Lauren and I are huge fans of Feeding ourselves and our family quality meat, which is why we love working with good ranchers so much. Did you know that over 140,000 family farms in the US have closed down since 2017? It's an absolute tragedy. Here's how good ranchers solves that problem. 100% American sourced every cut of beef Chicken Pork is born, raised and harvested right here on local farms in the usa so you can support American ranchers while knowing exactly where your meat comes from. This is so important. Knowing where your meat is sourced from. It's Also free from hidden additives. There's no antibiotics ever, no added hormones, no seed oils, just one simple ingredient you can read and that's just meat. Meat gets so much bad publicity because of so many poor practices that happen in the meat industry. So once again, you're just getting quality meat delivered straight to your door. So no more last minute grocery store runs, long lines or wondering where you're getting the best quality. Good Ranchers has you covered. We love their wide selection of pre portioned, high quality meat. It means less time prepping and more time around the table with family, friends, hosting loved ones, whatever it may be. Good Ranchers has you covered. In addition, their seed oil free chicken nuggets are back in stock. These are made with whole cuts of chicken, not the mystery meat you find elsewhere. And as part of their Spring into Action special, you can get them for free for a whole year. So you and your family can support local ranchers and easily get American Quality delivered right to your door. Just subscribe to any of their boxes and get free bacon, ground beef seed oil, free chicken nuggets, nuggets or salmon in every order for a year. Plus you'll get $40 off when you use our code Skinny at checkout. And seriously, this is the best offer Good Ranchers has ever given. You won't find it anywhere else, so check them out to spring into action help American Family Farms with every purchase. Visit goodranchers.com today and don't forget to use our code Skinny to claim your free meat for a year and $40 off. Again, good Ranchers. American Meat delivered.
- [49:15]
Katie Sturino
Do you know what I am wearing on my skin right now? I am wearing the Caffeinated sunscreen by the Skinny Confidential. I created this sunscreen so it tightens the face with the caffeine and gives you a little tint, a natural tint. And I'm so excited because we are doing an anniversary sale. The sale is April 22nd to the 25th and the sunscreen is obviously on sale. So the discount that we're doing is 30% off, which we barely ever do. And what's exciting about this is not only can you grab the sunscreen that I'm wearing that is absolutely amazing under makeup. It doesn't pile or anything. It just lays so nice and gives you like a tight glow. I apply mine with a beauty blender. But you can also get our tools. You can get the dry brush, you can get the body sculptor. That's my secret weapon for pregnancy, cellulite. So here's the exciting thing. When you order a tool you get a free. This is like we've never done this. A free full size depuffing oil. And this is the oil that I use for my fascia facial massage. The you see me do on Instagram. So if I were to like tell you what to get, I would say definitely get the sunscreen cuz like I said it's going to give you a really pretty glow under makeup. I wear it all the time though without makeup. And then if you're going to grab a tool I would get the mint roller or the ice roller if you haven't tried it. And by far the body tool to grab is the dry brush that I have been using my entire pregnancy. You will notice a difference right away. It's one of those tools that you use and you immediately feel refreshed. So how I use the dry brush, if you want to know for the anniversary sale 30 off you gotta grab it is what I do is I do the dry brush on my entire body. I'll do it for three minutes and then I get in a freezing cold shower and when I get out of the shower I'll put body oil all over me like a good osea or a pellet cure body oil, even agent Natur. And then I'll use the body sculptor to get in there to break up up cellulite and just get my lymphatic system really activated. This is like my ride or die way that I shower in the morning because I have kids and I gotta be quick and I want to feel refreshed and rejuvenated. So go shop the anniversary sale. Get everything you can. Get birthday presents. This is the time 30 off automatic. You don't need a code, it's site wide. And like I said, when you buy any tools you get a free full sized de puffing oil. Go to shopskinnyconfidential.com for 30% off April 22nd through the 25th.
- [51:51]
Michael Bostick
How did you figure out how to build a business around all this? Like was it, did it come naturally or was it something you had to learn?
- [51:56]
Rachel Zoe
It had to come naturally because there was no business. Like there wasn't anyone to tell me how to do anything. Which is I think what made me probably work as hard as I did because it was terrifying. It was like the way I always approached my work and I still do. It's like if you don't do this perfectly or the best of your ability, if you let down the person you're doing it for, whether that's someone Paying you, it's a partner. Whether it's a client, it doesn't matter. But I always went at it like, if I don't do this well, I won't work again. That was sort of what fed me in my 20s. Right, and then in your 30s, you got a little more confident in life. Okay, I'm pretty good at this, so I kind of know what I'm doing. But every single job I went into, no matter how big or small, I walked into that room with my 20, 30, 40 racks of clothes, whatever it was, 30 trays of jewelry, 50 pairs of shoes, whatever. Even if they needed one look or 20, it didn't matter. And I went in with this, like, don't fuck this up. They're counting on you. You know? And I think when, you know, when I was making a lot of money and the stakes were always very high, I was in charge of creating and changing and keeping people's images. And they were the most visible people in the world, in the industry. And it was sort of like if I. The way I looked at it was like I was providing a service. And if I didn't do this right, I failed and I suck. And that was sort of like how I went into every job. And honestly, up until my very last sort of styling job, when I said, I'm gonna take a pause, I. I just remember thinking, like, you gotta crush this. There's no. You know, you can't let her down. You can't let them down. They're counting on you. Right? Like, when someone's putting. As someone who was pulled into the public eye, I say by accident because it wasn't my intention, but, like, it's really scary being out there. Like, when you see these celebrities, like J. Lo and she looks. I mean, there's no one that looks more comfortable on a red carpet than JLo. And I think she must have done 20,000 at this point. And she looks, like, airbrushed by God. And she looks flawless all the time. But my point is, it's terrifying. The entire world is judging you, right? And as someone who is like, a no one, like, even in those moments where I would, like, go out in front, it's like your whole insights just collapse of, like, you know, you're being judged. You are. And you could say, like, I don't give a fuck. And some people have that luxury where they don't give a fuck. But, like, it's not an easy thing. So as someone who was in control of that part of it, of what they wanted to put out there. It's terrifying. It's the same for, like, a makeup or hairstylist. Like, you know, it's. There's a lot of judgment around it, you know, And I think, thankfully, people are nicer now, you know, but in those days, they were not.
- [54:56]
Lauren Everts
Tell us something about the show that we don't know.
- [54:59]
Rachel Zoe
That there was a lot you didn't see. There was a lot you didn't see. There was a lot that I had to protect, you know, on the show. And I was an executive producer.
- [55:09]
Lauren Everts
That's bossy.
- [55:09]
Rachel Zoe
Listen, there was no world that I was doing that show without being an executive producer, because I had to. That show had my name in the title, and there was no world that I could release control. At the time. There wasn't really any reality television other than I think it was. The real world was right before. And so I couldn't. People were very judgy and scared to be a part of the show. So when they agreed, as my friends, like the Michael Kors or the Kate Hudsons or whoever agreed to be on the show at the time, I had to protect that. You know what I mean? And if you leave things in the hands of people, they're gonna do what would get the best ratings on television. And I understand that that's their job, but it was my job to protect photographers, the actors, the musicians, the designers. So it was a real balance of giving people what I felt they needed to learn, see and understand about the industry and make sure that it wasn't simultaneously damaging to someone else. And that was very hard.
- [56:18]
Lauren Everts
Was the process enjoyable or was it.
- [56:20]
Rachel Zoe
Not of doing the show?
- [56:22]
Lauren Everts
Yeah, I feel like it's a lot of work.
- [56:25]
Rachel Zoe
It's the most work I've ever done in anything in my life.
- [56:27]
Lauren Everts
I'm not surprised.
- [56:28]
Rachel Zoe
I mean, other than my first, like, 10 years of styling where I just, like, was awake all the time and, like, flying to, like, Monaco for 24 hours or, like, you know, doing crazy things. Then you wake up and you're, like, at a dinner with Prince Albert and, like, Britney Spears or, like, you know, there's crazy things that happen in the job. I would say that overall, you know, listen, I'm so happy I did it in hindsight, because so many people still to this day are binge watching it over and over.
- [56:54]
Lauren Everts
So good.
- [56:54]
Rachel Zoe
And now my kids friends are watching it, which is so insane to me and unfathomable because I don't watch it, obviously, and I don't even know that I watched it when it aired. It was too hard for me because it was my life. But I would say that it was incredibly exhausting because I was working, like, 15 jobs simultaneously. It wasn't like, I don't work and my job is doing a TV show. It was like the TV show was almost like the side hustle, and I was living my job. So it was sort of like, guys, I know you need to shoot, but, like, I need to work. Like, I have six clients coming here today. Like, you gotta get the fuck out of here. You know? But I would say that by the last season, we really knew how to produce it very efficiently. And that was fun, you know, but it ended right as I was about to have, like, literally, I think, three weeks or four weeks before I was about to have my second son.
- [57:48]
Lauren Everts
Oh, my God.
- [57:49]
Rachel Zoe
That was a lot.
- [57:50]
Lauren Everts
That's a lot on film, too.
- [57:51]
Rachel Zoe
That was just a lot.
- [57:52]
Lauren Everts
Yeah, it's a lot.
- [57:52]
Rachel Zoe
That's a lot.
- [57:53]
Lauren Everts
How do you think about running a team?
- [57:55]
Rachel Zoe
Yeah, I would say, well, the two you've met have been with me 13 years and 10.
- [58:01]
Michael Bostick
Get on the mic, tell a story.
- [58:05]
Rachel Zoe
There are so many stories. But team. So team. For me, I have always. My team, my innermost team, is my family. Like, sometimes even more so than my actual family, even though I'm so close with my family. But I don't look at them as. I don't think I've ever used the word employee. It's kind of weird because they are my family and have been through so much with me. I mean, there are things I could tell you that Mary has done with me that, like, I don't even think my. Like, it's really funny, actually. But, like, I can't really say it, but I would say to that that I have learned the hard way that trust is everything. And I have also learned the hard way to not let everyone into your life. And I think in my styling life, it was incredibly challenging to not have my team be in my every move of my life, because all I did was work. And so they were part of that. And so. But you realize that if you give people that you can't trust and you don't know that the time. If you give them the keys to the kingdom and you teach them everything and you give them everything, that can backfire. And unfortunately, that happened countless times and had a big reason to. Why. It was a big part of why I had to pause from styling. I had to take a beat. I had to gain sort of control and trust and start to sort of get back to, you Know, sort of loving people around me again.
- [59:40]
Lauren Everts
What did you do when you took a beat?
- [59:42]
Rachel Zoe
I started more businesses. I launched my clothing line, I wrote another book. I launched a million different licensing partnerships, endorsements, all the things podcast.
- [59:54]
Lauren Everts
What's your focus today?
- [59:56]
Rachel Zoe
My podcast. Doing climbing in heels. I have about, about 17 different licenses that I, you know, creative, direct, oversee, manage whatever different endorsement deals that I'm a part of and working on, you know, exciting things that are coming out.
- [60:15]
Lauren Everts
You're working on your business, not in it.
- [60:17]
Rachel Zoe
It. I'm working on my business and, and in it and kind of both, you know, and I think that's sort of the challenge when it's your name right on the door. You can't just like, nope, I'm not going to be involved in this. But I do also have Rachel's O Ventures, which, you know, I'm an advisor and investor in multiple companies.
- [60:34]
Lauren Everts
You're busy.
- [60:35]
Rachel Zoe
I'm busy. I can't not be busy. I got to use my brain. I got to use my. I can't. Like, I can't. But I also, you know, I love being a mom.
- [60:43]
Lauren Everts
Maybe you should try cold plunging.
- [60:45]
Rachel Zoe
What is that going to do? Besides scare the hell out of me? It's like going to shock me. It's like that putting your toe in the like Pacific Ocean and it's like 40°. It's so cold. Like, why. I hate being cold.
- [60:58]
Michael Bostick
That's why. Do you miss the beach? When you, when you moved and I said no, because Pacific Ocean is not that great to swim in.
- [61:04]
Rachel Zoe
Go in the ocean.
- [61:05]
Lauren Everts
I love the ocean. It's grounding.
- [61:07]
Rachel Zoe
What?
- [61:07]
Michael Bostick
Yeah, it's grounding the ocean. When we were here.
- [61:10]
Rachel Zoe
There are so many things in that ocean that you have never seen before.
- [61:13]
Lauren Everts
I know, I know, I know.
- [61:15]
Rachel Zoe
It is the unknown. It is the unknown. That's all I'm going to say to you. I don't do ocean. I look at it. I love to look at it.
- [61:21]
Lauren Everts
I have to say, you're great on a mic. You are. It's not always like that.
- [61:25]
Rachel Zoe
Really?
- [61:26]
Lauren Everts
No. No.
- [61:27]
Rachel Zoe
Really?
- [61:28]
Lauren Everts
No.
- [61:29]
Michael Bostick
Have you eat candy as you're saying you're great on a mic after. On episode 800, you're eating a candy.
- [61:33]
Lauren Everts
I know. Everyone gets mad.
- [61:34]
Michael Bostick
Eight more bad Mary won't let me.
- [61:35]
Rachel Zoe
Chew gum when I'm on a mic. It's really annoying.
- [61:37]
Lauren Everts
Well, why can't I just be myself?
- [61:39]
Michael Bostick
You can.
- [61:40]
Rachel Zoe
It's just you do you.
- [61:41]
Lauren Everts
I know. You're really good on a mic. You haven't had people on your podcast.
- [61:45]
Rachel Zoe
Where you're like one or two. Because most of the people that I've had on are so seasoned, like they're so at top of their game that it's not their first rodeo. You know, we've had both.
- [61:56]
Lauren Everts
But you're great on a mic.
- [61:57]
Rachel Zoe
Thank you.
- [61:58]
Lauren Everts
Where can everyone find you what you're working on? Your Instagram. I'm sure they already follow you. Your podcast, all the things.
- [62:03]
Rachel Zoe
All the things. Rachelzo is my Instagram and imminginginheelspod is the pod. And what am I forgetting? People? Anything. Am I good? Yeah, that's good. That's it.
- [62:15]
Lauren Everts
Honestly, you can come back anytime. I could have asked you a lot more questions. You're welcome back anytime.
- [62:20]
Rachel Zoe
I love being with you guys. I've heard so much about you and I'm excited to like, actually hang out with you.
- [62:24]
Lauren Everts
And you are Tom Ford for, you.
- [62:26]
Rachel Zoe
Know, it doesn't go unnoticed or unappreciated.
- [62:29]
Michael Bostick
Thank you.
- [62:30]
Rachel Zoe
So thank you for wearing.
- [62:30]
Michael Bostick
That's all I needed.
- [62:32]
Rachel Zoe
Thanks for doing Tom Ford.
- [62:33]
Michael Bostick
My week can stale through the rest of the week.
- [62:35]
Rachel Zoe
I think if money's not an object, every man should be in hunted. Tom Ford.
- [62:39]
Lauren Everts
Oh, my God, he's gonna.
- [62:41]
Rachel Zoe
Yes, it does. I actually, I would tell you that I had like 50 of them, but my 13 year old son has literally taken every Tom Ford cologne that I have. Perfume and cologne.
- [62:52]
Lauren Everts
Taylor, did you wear Tom Ford for Rachel?
- [62:55]
Michael Bostick
I wore it for myself.
- [62:56]
Lauren Everts
Okay, you wore it for yourself. Okay.
- [62:57]
Rachel Zoe
You guys, he's so handsome. Tom Ford. He's flowering. I always thought you were gonna say, Taylor, you're handsome. You're handsome.
- [63:04]
Lauren Everts
Rachel, thank you for coming on the show.
- [63:05]
Rachel Zoe
Thanks for having me. It was so much fun.