Sage Robbins On Mindfulness, Holistic Healing, & The Secrets To Emotional Mastery

Summary

The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show: Sage Robbins on Mindfulness, Holistic Healing, & The Secrets To Emotional Mastery

Introduction

In this captivating episode of The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show, hosts Lauren Bosstick and Michael Bosstick engage in a profound conversation with Sage Robbins, a wellness advocate, speaker, and the grounded partner of renowned personal development guru Tony Robbins. Released on August 4, 2025, this episode delves deep into Sage's insights on emotional safety, self-regulation, and maintaining balance in both personal and professional spheres.

Meet Sage Robbins

Sage Robbins is more than just the supportive spouse of Tony Robbins; she is a powerhouse in her own right. As a wellness advocate and intuitive guide, Sage dedicates her efforts to helping individuals overcome emotional blocks and reconnect with their authentic selves. Her multifaceted role includes being a former actress and a speaker, all of which contribute to her unique perspective on holistic healing and emotional mastery.

Emotional Safety and Self-Regulation

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the concept of emotional safety and the importance of self-regulation in today's fast-paced world. Sage emphasizes the necessity of personal practices to maintain emotional balance:

“I just look to join somebody, because I am you, you're me. We're not so different.” [05:30]

When asked how she prepares herself to support others seeking healing, Sage shares her personal routines:

“I meditate, I pray, and I feel that it's human what they're coming for.” [02:29]

Managing Social Media and Digital Overload

The conversation shifts to the overwhelming nature of social media and digital content. Sage, who joined social media a year ago at 51, discusses the challenges and sets boundaries to protect her mental and emotional well-being:

“Social media is a platform to connect, but it's also a platform to share what is moving through you.” [05:28]

She advises a mindful approach to digital consumption, emphasizing the importance of using social media as a tool rather than a distraction.

Relationship Dynamics and Emotional Mastery

Sage opens up about her relationship with Tony Robbins, highlighting the balance between their dynamic personalities. She shares strategies for maintaining harmony and emotional safety within a high-performance partnership:

“Can we begin again?” [14:09]

This simple yet powerful phrase serves as a tool for resetting and taking responsibility during moments of conflict, fostering a deeper connection and mutual understanding.

Preparing for High-Performance Events

Addressing the demands of high-performance events, Sage explains the meticulous preparation required to maintain emotional and physical well-being:

“We do prepare. Absolutely. The level and depth that he prepares you is incredible.” [35:11]

Her approach includes comprehensive mind, body, and spirit care, ensuring that she can perform at her best while managing the intensity of frequent global travel and live events.

Raising Emotionally Intelligent Children

Sage and Michael discuss their approach to parenting, focusing on teaching emotional regulation and authenticity to their children. Sage highlights the importance of leading by example:

“They learn from how we are relating.” [48:12]

By practicing self-regulation and open communication, they instill these values in their children, fostering a nurturing and emotionally safe environment.

Techniques for Self-Regulation

Sage introduces practical techniques for self-regulation that listeners can apply in their daily lives. One such method is her “60 Seconds of Grace” practice, designed to quickly regain emotional balance:

“Close your eyes and invite your awareness back to this moment, back to your breath.” [40:13]

This brief mindfulness exercise helps individuals center themselves amidst chaos, promoting a regulated nervous system and emotional clarity.

Book and Content Recommendations

Throughout the episode, Sage recommends transformative literature and practices that have influenced her journey:

• Byron Katie's "The Work": A four-step process of inquiry that challenges and transforms unhelpful thoughts.

• Michael Singer's "The Untethered Soul": A profound exploration of self-awareness and spiritual growth.

“It's a powerful tool for self-reflection.” [51:16]

Transformation Stories

Sage shares heartwarming stories of transformation, highlighting the impact of self-awareness and emotional mastery. She emphasizes the beauty of witnessing others embrace their vulnerabilities and grow:

“It's so beautiful to see a human being so ripped open by life and so willing to see themselves and to live differently.” [53:16]

Conclusion

The episode concludes with Sage reflecting on the essence of love and connection, underscoring the importance of authenticity and mutual support in relationships. She invites listeners to join her upcoming “She's Unstoppable Summit,” a free three-day event aimed at empowering women to live their most authentic lives.

“Life is about being equal to. We get to keep iterating and I think that's really fascinating and beautiful.” [70:56]

Key Takeaways

• Emotional Safety: Prioritize self-regulation and personal practices like meditation and prayer to maintain emotional balance.

• Mindful Consumption: Use social media as a tool for connection rather than a source of distraction or stress.

• Relationship Reset: Implement simple phrases like “Can we begin again?” to foster accountability and harmony in relationships.

• Parenting by Example: Teach emotional intelligence to children by modeling self-regulation and open communication.

• Practical Techniques: Incorporate quick mindfulness exercises such as “60 Seconds of Grace” to regain emotional clarity.

• Continuous Growth: Embrace the journey of self-awareness and spiritual growth through recommended literature and practices.

Join the Movement

Listeners are encouraged to participate in Sage Robbins' “She's Unstoppable Summit” to further explore themes of emotional mastery and holistic healing. The event promises a supportive community and actionable insights to help women thrive in all aspects of their lives.

For more information and to register, visit She's Unstoppable Summit.

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This episode exemplifies the enriching conversations on The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show, offering listeners valuable insights and practical tools to enhance their emotional well-being and personal growth.

Transcript

[Lauren Everts]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Michael Bostick]

Fantastic.

[Lauren Everts]

And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie. And now, Lauren Everts and Michael Bostick are bringing you along for the ride.

[Michael Bostick]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Lauren Everts]

Welcome to the Skinny Confidential him and her. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to another incredible episode of the Skinny Confidential him and her show. Today we're sitting down with a woman who rarely steps into the spotlight, but whose presence is unmistakably felt on the world's biggest stages. Sage Robbins is the grounded, soulful force beside one of the most powerful voices in personal development, Tony Robbins. But beyond being his wife and partner, Sage is a powerhouse in her own right. A wellness advocate, speaker, former actress, and deeply intuitive guide, she helps people move through emotional blocks and reconnect with who they really are. In this conversation, we go where most interviews don't. We'll talk about emotional safety, what it's like to love and lead alongside someone as fiery as Tony, how she supports in a world that moves fast, and what it really means to regulate your nervous system. In 2025, get ready to meet the woman behind the mission and maybe discover a part of yourself along the way with that Sage Robbins. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential him and her show. This is the Skinny Confidential him and her.

[Michael Bostick]

I am expecting a full blown butler service for the next week. Just so you know, I want concierge. I want anything I need at all times. Like, I want to get one of those bells.

[Lauren Everts]

So nothing's changing, like at all.

[Sage Robbins]

It's just, are you that guy?

[Lauren Everts]

I try to be that guy. I. I do my best, but I would say maybe I miss my calling as a butler.

[Sage Robbins]

You missed your calling.

[Michael Bostick]

Dust off your old uniform. So I'm so excited to have Sage Robbins on the podcast because we've had her husband, Tony Robbins on, which I think is the him aspect. And now we get the her feminine energy on the podcast and we get to see how you guys work, live, collaborate together, all the things my first question is is kind of random. I always wonder how both of you guys and I would love to hear your way how, how you show up for so many people who are coming with the intention to heal. And in a space where there's so many people, you almost have to zip up your energy, how do you prepare yourself for that?

[Sage Robbins]

Well, for myself, I meditate, I pray, and I feel that it's human what they're coming for. I'm coming for. You're coming for. True, true. Don't you think that we're all.

[Michael Bostick]

It's both healing.

[Sage Robbins]

It is. I really believe that that's our life's journey, is evolution. And I think it's a gift I feel called. When people have a hunger and a longing like yourselves, you guys are doing beautiful things and wanting to shed light on individuals that are doing the same. And I don't know, I just relate. I relate to anybody that I'm in front of because it's human. You know, we all have those things. We all have those circumstances. We all have pain. We all meet in this human experience. There's beautiful things. There's messy circumstances, there's painful circumstances. We've all had our conditioning. We all have this happen or that happen. But I think life, when you recognize that it's truly happening for us and that there's a gift in no matter how confused or painful of a circumstance that we may have navigated, I don't know. I think that's where we all join. I think that's where we all join. So it isn't so much of a zipping myself up. I think it's more of an opening myself up, if that makes sense.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, that makes total sense. What's the common denominator that you see of people seeking you and Tony's help?

[Sage Robbins]

That's a great question. Seeking our help. I don't even know that they're seeking help. I think it's the mirror. You know, I think we can all get caught in a rut of living life a certain way through all of our responsibilities and our things that we do and our roles and identities. And I think there comes a time, I don't know if you can relate to this, where it's like, this doesn't feel true the way that I'm doing it, you know, this version of life. And I think there's a hunger and. And a longing for something more. And sometimes that more is just connecting to who we truly are, connecting to what's most authentic. You asked a question before we began that what would make this a success? And I think, you know, there's so much happening on the world stage and social media that it's, you know, we project these human beings projecting who we want to show the world that we are, rather than, hey, this is. This is who I am. And I think we all meet in that space, and it's vulnerable. It's. It's. It's raw, it's real.

[Michael Bostick]

It's very hard, I think, to have so much content thrown at us all the time. It's overwhelming.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes, it is.

[Michael Bostick]

It's like I feel, I mean, I can't even imagine like a 12 year old little girl getting on TikTok like or. I agree, it's just a lot, it's a lot of energy.

[Sage Robbins]

It is.

[Michael Bostick]

How do you manage your own social? Like, are you, do you have boundaries around it?

[Sage Robbins]

So I'm a woman, I'm 51 years old and I've never been on social media up until a year ago.

[Lauren Everts]

Wow.

[Sage Robbins]

Nothing.

[Michael Bostick]

What?

[Sage Robbins]

I never had a social media presence whatsoever. Yes, nothing. And you know, it's interesting. I'm, you know, I'm a lover of people and yet I'm also a bit of a hermit and I love my own space and place and time and we have a public life and yet we also. Who's in our inner world. It's a small circle, you know, I'm sure you can relate to that in some ways. And so social media, I look at the stage of my life is really, it's a platform to connect, but it's also a platform to share what is moving through you. And I think that everything, it depends how we use it, you know, I think the miss of it, like you said, is it creates a context of I want your love, approval and acceptance, I want them to like it or you know, the distraction of being on social. We're in everybody else's life, you know, we're in everybody else's business and I don't know about you, but I've got enough going on in my own world. And I think it's a powerful tool and it's a medium to connect with others. I think the myth for not only younger generations, but even for us as adults is I think it can be all consuming being in other people's lives, that we can miss our own and we can miss how we are being here now. And that's what really interests me. I enjoy life, I enjoy this space, I enjoy the intimacy of life and I think that that can get missed through social media at times.

[Lauren Everts]

We sometimes go speak at schools, which is funny because many of these schools would have never even let us in the doors of those schools when we were students.

[Michael Bostick]

But especially you, Mr. Moon, the principal, especially you.

[Sage Robbins]

That's fantastic.

[Lauren Everts]

That's true. But what I say to the students that we speak to sometimes as we have grown up with these platforms and use them as a business tool and as a medium, I say like you have to be very mindful of the differentiator between it being a tool and a connector versus you being a mindless consumer.

[Sage Robbins]

I agree.

[Lauren Everts]

Right. And if you're not, if you don't realize, like, if you're just on there and you find yourself just swiping and swiping and feeling obligated to jump into every issue or have a perspective on anything that's going on in the world at any given time, like you have to step back and say, like, is my relationship with this thing productive or counterproductive? And it's a very, it's like, it's a very slippery slope.

[Sage Robbins]

It is a slippery slope. And I don't know, we, you know, opinions, everybody has an opinion. I don't know that my opinion matters. I really don't like people we're so available to just, I want my opinion known. Or you put it in social media or speak it. And once again, words are currency. Yeah, no, I mean they're a currency of impact.

[Lauren Everts]

We have obviously a platform.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

And a lot of things, as you said, are going on in the world stage and happen regularly. And you know, many years ago, like you wouldn't be privy to many of those issues. Right. They just, you would see what was kind of going on in your world, your city, your state, whatever. But I, we get asked all the time to comment on whatever the hot new thing is or whatever topic is, you know, controversy or a tragedy in the world. I'm like, well like, do you really need my or her perspective on this specific thing that we really shouldn't have any expertise on? And I think that's the, that's also an issue is people, especially young people, feel like they need to be involved in everything, every single issue of the day. And it's like, well, what are you actually passionate about and what are you actually an expert in? Where can you actually have an impact? Sometimes you got to step back and just say, hey, like maybe I'm a.

[Sage Robbins]

Listener in this instance. And that, that, I think what you just said is actually really profound, Michael. To be a listener, to witness, to learn to grow from what's happening. But I don't know, I, if I don't have something kind to say, I look to not say anything at all. That sounds probably trite and simplistic, but I think that that's just being as a, and as parents. I look at that next year we have a four year old daughter and she doesn't have access at this stage to any social, obviously social media, but even a device and there's a simplicity to that. She'll watch. We go back to old shows like Little Bear or Daniel Tiger because they were made like 30 years ago. And there's wholesome values, values of irreverence for your parents or your elders or your grandparents. And sometimes that can be vacant in the information that we're putting into our children. Even books. Even books. Like I, I'm the mom that's like flipping through books and reading them. And just the other day there was one and it was talking about, I didn't know the little. It was this little owl. And the little owl hated peace. And I was like, even. Just the word hate.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Sage Robbins]

Like why even. Because they have to digest that. And, and I know you can't stop life, but I think as we can be conscientious, I'm aware of what I'm putting into my mind. If we're aware of whatever we're putting into our bodies, you know, with food, I think there's a power in being aware of what we're feeding into our minds because we have to digest that as well.

[Michael Bostick]

I agree with you. I just brought back the Berenstain bears.

[Sage Robbins]

I love Berenstein bears.

[Michael Bostick]

And that is. You watch it. And you're like, oh, it's like, it's about manners. It's about being careful of strangers. It's so sweet.

[Sage Robbins]

It is.

[Michael Bostick]

And they, by the way, they love it. They love it just as much as Coco Melon.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes, I agree.

[Michael Bostick]

So it's, I think there is something to what you're saying. It's like bringing back the values and it's cute because there's like four of them and they, they're like, that's, you know, I have a son and a daughter. So they're like, I'm brother and I'm a sister. Yeah, they like identify with that.

[Sage Robbins]

It's cute.

[Lauren Everts]

But in addition to that, they're like, oh, the five year old's starting to read and our daughter's just turning five. She's like, oh, I like, maybe I should learn to now read like the bear.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes, that's it.

[Michael Bostick]

Berenstein bears and Daniel Tiger. They're so cute. Also another good one is George and Martha.

[Lauren Everts]

I had to shut down the cocoa melons.

[Michael Bostick]

No, we don't do the Coco Melon. It's too, it's too high sensory. Speaking of high sensory, how do you regulate your nervous system?

[Sage Robbins]

That's a girl. How do I regulate myself? I married Mr. Motion. I know.

[Michael Bostick]

I'm like, you have to like, almost like, like regulate, like be the balancer.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes. Well, I think we're all regulating or Not. And it's a kinder experience when we do. It's interesting. When I first met Tony and entering his world and going to events and the lights and the sound and the people, it was a stretch. It was a stretch. But at this stage of my life, I have found ways to. I think one of the. Let me put it this way. I think the gift of age is, you know, energy starts to be invited, more internal. And at the beginning it was like, you know, all external and I'm gonna, you know, just all the things of doing in life. And at this stage of my life, it's more about how am I being? And I think that that can get missed. How am I being. How am I being in this moment? And so a practice. I, you know, I'll literally stop and pause if I'm in an interaction. Say if Tony and I were maybe having a heated moment. And, you know, mine will always look at what the other person's doing or not doing. And so blame the external. The external demonization. We know what that looks like right now. Even, you know, you flip on the news, you look on social media, it's all the external. I think what's so profound for myself, how I regulate is just taking responsibility for how am I being. And if I don't feel that I'm showing up the best version of myself and we can all miss, I don't have this mastered, I'll own that. And I'll come up to Tony and I'll say, honey, can we begin again? Can we reset? And I find that that is self regulating because in that emission, a younger version of myself, I'd be like, why aren't you listening to me? You never pay attention to me.

[Michael Bostick]

Sage, this is a really bad time to have this conversation as I just sent a dart of a text to my husband. You should see the text I just sent him. It's like, you better get your shit together. I'm having this baby soon.

[Lauren Everts]

In her defense, like there are, you know, the horrible.

[Michael Bostick]

This is a horrible time to have this conversation.

[Sage Robbins]

My story.

[Lauren Everts]

No, no, it's a perfect time. Keep going.

[Michael Bostick]

Let's begin again, Michael.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, let's begin again.

[Sage Robbins]

But, but, but actually, let's begin again.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Sage Robbins]

Like, that is so profound.

[Michael Bostick]

How confuses it.

[Sage Robbins]

And does that, does that pull you towards her or push you away from her?

[Lauren Everts]

Of course it pulls me. Yeah. I mean.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't think anyone likes to be blamed and attacked. And I was thinking about it even through the context of, of running a business.

[Sage Robbins]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

What we try to do in this culture is like, really take responsibility. So, like, my perspective as a CEO is like, everything is my fault if something goes wrong in an area, and.

[Michael Bostick]

We should do that as you as a husband.

[Sage Robbins]

That's a game, what you just said. That's a game changer.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I think. And there's a book that's called, like. It's called Extreme Ownership, and it's a great book. But what I realized in the culture of a company is when you have that perspective, everybody then when something goes wrong, wants to lend a hand and fix it, as opposed. If you're, like, pushing the blame, Everybody wants to kind of just, you know, lean out and not be helpful. So, no, I think it's. I think that's a great perspective to have.

[Sage Robbins]

I find that's how I self regulate. And I feel like it just clears the schism. It clears this space. I really believe that we're either adding to harmony or we're adding to the schism. And the schism, you know, that you're adding to the schism because it feels like constriction. It feels disconnected from who we love. And I think that alone activates our nervous system. We get in survival because we're just so busy doing this thing and then innocently wanting this human being to do what I want. And I used to be her. I remember. I literally remember saying to Ton, like, you're not present with me. Like, you don't understand. You don't understand me. And I used to say to him, like, understand me. I didn't understand me. I didn't even understand, as a younger version of myself, what I was even feeling. And at this stage, I just own it. I just speak it. I'll be like, hon, do you know what? I'm probably acting so crazy right now. I'm sorry. I just feel overwhelmed. And that pulls him to me rather than the demand of do this. By the way, I did the opposite for years, and it got me nowhere. Just. We're both dynamic people. Yes, I'm feminine, but I feel as male as I do female. And so he's a force. He's a masculine force as well. And ironically, actually very feminine. I think that's what's interesting. We all have both energies, but I just find that it invokes more reciprocation and it invokes more connectivity. It's more intimate to say, babe, I'm feeling crazy right now, or I'm so scared. And we're having three kids. I'm having a third child. And it's like I feel overwhelmed. I need you to show up for me. I don't even need you. It would mean the world to me. Maybe more accurate, it'd be meaningful to me.

[Michael Bostick]

How did you make that shift? You said your younger version was this way and now you're this way. What was the epiphany where you made the shift?

[Sage Robbins]

Well, I think age helps. I think for we were living on the road, traveling. Gosh, like that's hard. Yeah, 250, 60 days of the year. We would travel the globe two times a year.

[Lauren Everts]

That's hard.

[Sage Robbins]

And it was intense. It was potent, like dose of life in all directions. It was humbling. And I'm a love and he's a love. And it hurts to not feel connected. It was selfish. It was selfish because it's. I don't know, just the distance between. It's like when you're working together and you're living together and to be in that space, in that close proximity and to not feel connected or to not feel ease, that. I don't know, I think, you know, if you're for us, we've been together for 25 years and so we've been to heaven and hell many, many times. But the gift of enduring love and the gift of, I guess, long lasting love, I suppose is you hit a point where you get over yourselves. You know, you get over the conditioned part of who I wanted him to be or who I thought he should be for me. And part of that's just conditioning. You know, we're conditioned even as a society, even all the books we're speaking of, little ones with our daughter, you know, it's all about this. Persons are going to come and the prince and the princess and they're going to save me and they're going to be everything. And I don't know. I don't know that it's realistic. I think actually life and love is more real and more beautiful than that. But it's been my experience of doing it, I can't say the wrong way, but unconsciously doing it through the lens of an expectation. Doing it through the lens of a charge, doing it through the lens of a demand. Doing it through the lens of, you know, like, why do you always do? And then, you know, like the two clashing and it's clunky and it's painful. And so, I don't know, it's. I can't pinpoint what shifted besides the fact that I would say the same responsibility that you connect to in business. Michael, I was missing that level of ownership in my relationship with Tone. And that was. That's extraordinarily freeing, because if we do have a schism, I know I can change it by just going first rather than, why aren't you saying sorry to me? Why aren't you doing this? Like, the external. We want these people to be a certain way, and when they're not, when he wasn't, I was crazy. That's crazy.

[Michael Bostick]

What are other tools that you guys use in your relationship, whether it's big or small, whether it's meditate, meditation, or, like, doing something. Wellness. What are you doing? The things that you guys go to to be such high performers.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes. Well, I believe so. A couple things. I pray I meditate. You know, if we have dinner with our daughter, we sit down, the first thing we do is we'll just say grace and give thanks, just.

[Michael Bostick]

And.

[Sage Robbins]

And we'll all share what we're grateful for that day. But I really believe, you know, I've had, you know, I have a meditation practice and. And I do inquiry, but at this stage of my life, it's like catching myself in the moment. Like, in the moment when I recognize and you have the moment of clarity. I'm being crazy right now. Or you send a text and it's like you walk away, and it's like, gosh, was that the most connected, true version of myself? And that's the moment to act. That's the moment to act and to take responsibility. Like, honey, I'm so sorry. I just saw myself and I sent this text, and I'm sorry, can I come find you? Cause sometimes maybe he's in the studio or I'm somewhere else working. And so it's making our minutes and our moments matter because there's an innate, I really believe, longing inside of all of us to connect intimately with those that we love. And sometimes in our busyness, we can miss.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I was going to say, you know, maybe you guys. You both. Maybe you and Tony, if he was here, would relate to this. I think sometimes when you work together.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

And you're ambitious and you drive a really fast and intense pace.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

You then sometimes have difficulty kind of like stepping out of that pace for a second. Right. Like, we're like. Sometimes we'll just catch ourselves at home, and we're, like, going at the same paces if we're traveling and doing shows and doing all the things. And I think, like, that can be challenging in a relationship, because it can be. I don't think it's so common that couples work together like you guys do. Like, true. What? I actually, when people ask, when they ask in the show, like, should we work together? I said actually, like, probably not. I usually try to talk people out of it and I say, you can get past all the stuff and be aware of everything that comes with it, then maybe. But you know, there's a lot of challenges, I think, that are put on a relationship if you work together, but if you can get through it and come out the other side, it's also extremely rewarding.

[Sage Robbins]

Extremely rewarding. And I, so a couple things, I think the gift of asking your partner, can we begin again? Can we reset? And I do that all the time.

[Michael Bostick]

I'm write it down.

[Sage Robbins]

Yeah, no, I'm serious. I say it all the time. It's just like, hun, can we begin again?

[Michael Bostick]

Different than my text.

[Sage Robbins]

And then if we say like, can we begin again or can we reset? I'll claim some sort of responsibility of like, I'm sorry, like I was just short with you or I was curt with you, or I didn't feel like I was the best version of myself. And what I find is that, that, that willingness or that ownership it in it invokes, reciprocity, brings you together. And he'll be like, oh, honey, don't be crazy. I, I, I totally know. Like, he'll, he knows what I'm navigating, you know, what each other's navigating. It's legit. Life's real. Never mind being married, working together, being parents, doing that all in this space, I mean, it's extraordinarily humbling. And so, and I find as well, for Toni, I'll tell you one other thing that we find quite helpful. So the gift of asking to begin again, you know, and doing a reset number two, I feel transitions, like transitions from work into a personal space. Like, we'll both, right before dinner, we'll go jump in the hot tub or jump in the pool, change the energy. Just, yeah, just to have a physical, a physiological reset and then say if we were ever hot in a context of a conversation, sometimes I'll say, hon, like, I need 10 minutes. I just need 10 minutes. I'm going to come back to you. I'm not leaving because the younger version of myself, I'd walk out the door and I'd slam the door. You know, that's relatable. True. Yes. You walk out the door and you slam the door.

[Michael Bostick]

And then, okay, what a timely conversation.

[Sage Robbins]

But then if he didn't come after me, I'd be like, what a jerk. Why isn't he coming to find me?

[Michael Bostick]

I know, but I want it all, and I want it delivered.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes. And so, you know, I think there's. What I've really recognized is. And this is another. When you talk about regulation, I recognize that when I was most upset or when I was most charged, they are most angry. Whatever you want to call it. There's usually not a desire, I guess, a want or a request in there. It's like, why don't you are. It's like you can say, like, be a butler or. It's like, the request is, honey, it would be really meaningful for me if you show up. I'm scared. It's like life is really feeling overwhelming right now. We're gonna have earth. But, like, speaking it from that place. And it's crazy because if I spoke that from an angry space, is it hurt or is it not?

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I just. And I also think, like, just speaking as a man, I think. And I'll just speak for the majority of men, and this is maybe not true for everyone, but I think the majority. Men want to feel respected and like, they're take.

[Michael Bostick]

You know, what did the guy say? What. What did they want to feel? What did that guy say, Arthur?

[Lauren Everts]

He said. Well, he said a lot of things.

[Michael Bostick]

No, he said, men want to feel admired and women want to feel adored and seen.

[Sage Robbins]

Yeah, I think we just.

[Lauren Everts]

I think, like, the attack.

[Michael Bostick]

We're on different pages, a lot of us.

[Lauren Everts]

I think what happens when men get attacked about what they're not doing without the acknowledge of what they are doing? I think a lot of men pull back.

[Sage Robbins]

True.

[Lauren Everts]

Right. And so, like, in my mind, when I hear what I'm not doing, it's that. But when I. But if it was met with like, hey, I'd like you to do more of this. But I also appreciate these things. I'm much more receptive. Like, you know what? I actually do need to lean more into the things that.

[Michael Bostick]

Look at the little therapy that we just said.

[Lauren Everts]

But I just. I think with anyone, right? Like, nobody, maybe not just men, nobody wants to be told all the things they're not doing. They want to be acknowledged in some kind of way. Right.

[Sage Robbins]

And innocently, Michael, we as human beings, never mind women, I think, you know, I'll speak for myself. I used to tell Tony what he was doing wrong and hope that he heard it to change it. And I didn't recognize that through that criticism. It only disconnected, and it caused him to step away rather than step forward. And he just actually really gave you a pathway. What I hear from Michael is, Michael, it's like, even though you might be screwing up, it's okay. But like, if you tell me that, please tell me what I'm doing well or what I'm doing, how I'm lighting you up.

[Michael Bostick]

I should make an Excel sheet of everything he does well and I can send it to him and then be like, here's for your contact. But again, but I'm going to need you to edit.

[Lauren Everts]

This is not. This is not related, but related. So imagine if you worked in an organization or if you manage someone organization and the only thing you did in a review process was tell them all the things they do wrong. And you never acknowledge.

[Michael Bostick]

You need a compliment sandwich.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. It's like there's, there's room for improvement in everything and with everyone. But you can't you just constantly criticize someone because then they feel disconnected and they feel underappreciated.

[Sage Robbins]

True. And that's universal. That's men or women. And I think as well, when you talk about self regulation, I think going first in claiming our stuff, because a lot of times I recognize I was demanding or wanting him to be different, but I wasn't seeing that. Once again, the question, how am I.

[Michael Bostick]

Being when you're going through this process, does Tony. Tony Robbins you.

[Lauren Everts]

Side note, it's very helpful for me to hear that Tony Robbins also faces many of these issues.

[Sage Robbins]

Well, if he was here, I mean, here's what's true. I'm giving you context of what's led us here at this stage of our life. I feel like we're stripped down to love and gratitude. I only want that man's happiness. He only wants mine. But that's the gift of being together for 25 years and doing this in all the context that we have. Yeah, you guys grow up, you learn, you're mature, you grow up. Well, no, I'm not. I'm the furthest thing from a master. I feel like I'm. Oh, my gosh, I'm a. I'm hungry to learn and to grow and to evolve. And part of being a student, it's like you're saying it's like listening, also listening to ourselves or how am I feeling? How am I being. Cause I think that that's something as a younger version of myself that I really missed. And at this stage of my life, it's like as life, the volume turns up, you have three little ones. I mean, in our life, life is full. It's full. It's abundant in all ways. And we can work a 20 hour day and not even blink an eye. And so it's making our moments matter. It's making our moments matter. And then life humbles you. You know, loss and the. You know, a few years ago, Tony had an internal bleed. And I thought I was gonna. I thought I was gonna lose him. He lost four pints of blood when he was on stage. He had an esophageal bleed. And that's really stripping. It's really humbling because from that perspective, I wanted nothing of him. I just. I wanted to love him. I wanted to be as close as possible. Life is just such a teacher. It's those moments that has really stripped me down and humbled me. And I find that, you know, Tony always says it's like, trade your expectations for appreciation and you can miss that. But actually living that truth, like expecting, it's like, okay, I want you to do this. That's crazy. I can be grateful. You know, I hear from you, Michael, that it'd be meaningful to be seen for what you're doing. Well, and by the way, vice versa with your lady. It's both ways. It's both ways or speaking to her, it's like, babe, I can't even imagine all that you're navigating. She's carrying this child within. She's like, moms have, I don't know, women. I think there's a unique challenge because we have so much of our energy external. And so it's like one more thing to take care of. One more. Whether it's your business, whether it's your children, whether it's your husband, it's like, it's a lot. And for myself, I didn't always take care of her. I missed me from my 20s and 30s, probably even into the beginning of my early 40s. You're just stepping into that place. I missed even what would feel true for me. I would do anything for everybody else. But I wasn't always aware of what you call it, self regulation. But just what taking a breath and catching my breath and doing what I feel in moments, I would feel filled up by. So I can meet my loves in my life from a fuller and truer, more connected place.

[Michael Bostick]

Why were you such a people pleaser?

[Sage Robbins]

Well, what I recognize at this stage, I really am. I'm a love. I really do love people. And I. You can feel it. You can feel it. But I think it changed. I think, you know, I was the pleaser of. I don't know, it's it's a conditioned, it's like, you know, I don't know if it's the external. I want your love, approval and acceptance, you know, as a younger version of myself. And then that falls away and it's just, I love you and I want to show up for life, never mind myself and others. And it come, it's, it's the same. It just comes from a different fuel. It comes from a different place, a more authentic place, truthfully. And it's less like, you know, it's more. I don't know, you know, I think we're made to be as human beings that God intended us to be useful. And I am. And yet the same love and care that I would so effortlessly give to anybody that I loved. I look to take care of this body and being and as well, my spirit.

[Lauren Everts]

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[Michael Bostick]

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[Lauren Everts]

I think we've seen it too.

[Michael Bostick]

Well. You could see it. We got to go. Which. Which is the event that we went to. You were there. It was a long time ago though.

[Sage Robbins]

I unleashed the power within.

[Michael Bostick]

Yes. And it was in New Jersey.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes I did.

[Lauren Everts]

The cool moss walked on fire.

[Sage Robbins]

It's amazing.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. But the way you guys work is incredibly unique. 20 hour days are wild. I want to know how you prepare for it and then how you wind down from it.

[Sage Robbins]

Well we do prepare. Absolutely. I mean when people ask me what's one thing that you know most people wouldn't know about Tony is actually the level and depth that he prepares you.

[Michael Bostick]

I mean he's on. Isn't he jumping around for like something crazy hours straight.

[Lauren Everts]

I heard he doesn't only just prepare for that but I heard if he does interviews a place. And he does. I mean when he met us I could tell like he. Listen. We do this with a lot of people.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

And you can tell sometimes people are like where am I? Who. You know what I mean? Like. Like he knew a lot more than I thought he would know about.

[Michael Bostick]

That's why you guys live.0001% of it. It's high expectation of self.

[Sage Robbins]

True. Rather than others. That's freedom. That's freedom. And it's the high expectation of self. Or just bringing your best self. I suppose. And even last night Mary and I we were preparing. Today it was probably three and a half hours of my evening last night. Just reading. Getting connected. Because I wanna have once again a meaningful and intimate conversation rather than walking in vacant and having no sense of who you are. And I actually really. I was like wow. I relate to these people. There's actually some common threads. You guys are like a decade younger version of us. But there's a lot of actually commonality. I have mad respect for you both.

[Lauren Everts]

But I personally find that so impressive about both of you because at the stage of life you're both in and the success you've both had. You don't need to do that but you continue to do it. And it's. And it. Listen. It's amazing for us because we get to have that connection. But I just think it speaks to the success that you guys have achieved because many at your level don't do that. And I. You know. And we speak to people regularly and so it's Just, it's interesting that you guys would take that amount of time still to do this kind of thing. I just, I just think it speaks to your character and success.

[Michael Bostick]

So when you know you have to be on stage or speak or do something for 20 hours.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

Are you starting the week before? Are you starting the month? Like, what's the prep for that?

[Sage Robbins]

That's a great question. Well, it depends on.

[Michael Bostick]

It depends.

[Sage Robbins]

It depends. It depends whether the event is something that we've done many, many times or it depends whether it's something new. Do you know what I mean? Because when there's creation, there's more iteration, there's more creation to it. So contextually that would begin much sooner.

[Michael Bostick]

So like the summit that you're doing for all these women, what is the prep for that?

[Sage Robbins]

Well, that begins much sooner actually. We're thinking about it here now. Last year it's something that we do only once a year and it's called our she's unstoppable summit. And what's amazing is last year we had close to 500,000 women that joined virtually. Yes. Which was just really humbling and extraordinary. And this year it's a little bit of a different format. We're doing three days, it's just two hours a day. But what's amazing is it's this beautiful community. I think there's a hunger and a longing for us to connect in a meaningful way. Nevermind in relationship, but just as human beings. And so from that perspective, it's something I'm really passionate about. And the summit itself is really, it's a space and place where women come together and really, you know, connect to what's not working, you know, what's no longer needed. What's like bogging me down. Like we have so many identities and roles and duties and responsibilities and energy, you know, demanding our attention out external. And the summit's really about tuning into her and tuning in to claim all the parts of ourselves and to live our most authentic version. So we are, we're doing that in August, this summer and I am preparing now, so.

[Michael Bostick]

And when you say you're preparing, does this mean wellness? Does this mean going over scripts? Like, what is it? What is the prep actually like from a micro level look like?

[Sage Robbins]

Well, you know, there's, I think it's mind, body, spirit. I think, you know, if you're getting ready for an event or you're getting ready for anything, you take care of your body, you know, you fill your mind with what's relevant or if there's a. It's not even so much a script, but I suppose more of a syntax of added value because that's why that's what you're really wanting to do, is share lived wisdom and understandings that can help others free themselves. Because I found a kinder way. And I think that there's. I think that's where we all meet is, you know, in. For myself, when you ask me how I self regulate, I know what it feels like when I didn't, and I know what it feels like when I don't. And I have found ways through to bring a different level of ease in a moment. I do a practice called 60 seconds of grace or 60 seconds of peace. And it's like the moment you can, you know, for myself, I can. I'll do it in between calls, I'll do it in between zooms. I'll do it in between interviews. I'll do it, you know, in between going from work into a personal space with our family or having dinner. And it's just a moment to gather our energy back to this moment. Would you like to experience it?

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, I was just gonna say, can you tell us exactly how to do it?

[Sage Robbins]

Sure. Okay. Okay, well, so let's just sit completely comfortable. There's. And once again, there's no Michael.

[Michael Bostick]

Cross your legs and take your pants off.

[Sage Robbins]

You don't even have to sit up on the table.

[Lauren Everts]

Let me lay down.

[Michael Bostick]

Let me cross my legs and take pants off on the table right now.

[Lauren Everts]

Let me lay across.

[Michael Bostick]

That is a sight no one needs to see.

[Sage Robbins]

Carson, you're beautiful. Lord, you really are.

[Michael Bostick]

You don't want me to sit up here right now naked. The baby might fall out.

[Sage Robbins]

Okay, so sit. And once again, you can do this. A moment that you feel that you catch yourself and you're like, wow, I'm being crazy. Or you can do this in between a transition. You can do this in the morning at any point in time. When you asked me what I did to self regulate when I was at events and the noise was so loud and like just everything and there's so many people, I recognized I needed to catch a beat. For me, I needed to catch a beat. So I called. You can call it 60 seconds of peace, 60 seconds of grace. You just sit completely comfortable wherever you are. There's no right or wrong way of doing this. And close your eyes and invite your awareness back to this moment, back to your breath, back to the miracle of your body being breathed. It's a miracle in its in itself, the presence tuning into the presence of behind the breath. You follow your breath. What do you notice here? Now gently open your eyes. Whenever it feels comfortable.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, you immediately just like drop a beat. Because when you're doing something like this, you're on high alert, right? And you're trying to focus so much, and I think you just like step out for a second. That's the quietest this office has ever been to. Thank God, because I was wondering if they were gonna start screaming out there.

[Michael Bostick]

Michael does this thing called Sabertooth. I made up the name.

[Lauren Everts]

Everybody does it.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, but you really do it. Sabertooth means he's looking for the saber tooth tiger at all times. Because I, I, my theory is that his parents, when he was little, your, your dad's really high sensory.

[Lauren Everts]

No, no. We had this guy Doc Amen on I don't know if you guys have had ever met him. And he said some people, like, actually he predicts I will maybe live longer because I'm on high level.

[Michael Bostick]

No, it's good. It's a good thing I'm not trashing.

[Lauren Everts]

Maybe there's like, if I see, like if a car's coming, I'll, I'll avoid it.

[Michael Bostick]

He's probably avoided my death a hundred times. Like I'm, I'm like Ichabod Crane with like my head in a book. So he's saber tooth. So I don't really have to like. Yeah, I don't have to look for anything.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, she's like Mr. Magoo. You know what I mean? Remember Mr. Magoo? Somehow it works out for him. He's like walking through construction sites.

[Michael Bostick]

I think that's good for both of us because I can be oblivious and distracted and you can be saber toothing. So it's like brings you both down.

[Lauren Everts]

No, but it's.

[Michael Bostick]

Or maybe me up and you down.

[Lauren Everts]

I see why you like that practice. Because it's nice to just stop and get quiet without any agenda for a second.

[Sage Robbins]

True. What did you experience, Lauren?

[Michael Bostick]

I experienced my breath felt shallow when I started it. And then it got really, I don't know what. It's deep. And also for me right now with pregnancy, it's very nice to do something like that. To slow down.

[Sage Robbins]

To slow down. What else did you notice? As you slowed down and as you connected to your breath, what else did you notice?

[Michael Bostick]

I feel my nervous system regulate and I can feel it pretty quick. I really like to meditate and I've noticed the benefits. And to me, even for 60 seconds, it's really beneficial. Especially with all the sensory overload from the lights to the phone to the interviews.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes. And so that's. You asked, we began this conversation with how do you self regulate? That's one of the ways that I find really, it's so quick because what I find is when I first began meditating, I would meditate in the morning. I would bookend my day, so I'd meditate in the morning, meditate at night. But then there was. Meditation is really, it's about awareness and noticing. And so I found that just like that one minute, like just that 60 seconds of gathering our energy back to this moment and as well back to the miracle. Because you know, the saber tooth tiger and all the things of doing and the lights and the interviews and everything, it's like life's a miracle.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Sage Robbins]

Life is the fact that we are alive, that's a miracle. And I woke up this morning, my body's being breathed. I did nothing for that. We did nothing for that. That blows my mind like, it's like life itself is a miracle. And I find the more that that presence has come to life and taken flight in my life, I notice more grace. I notice more because we're like you said, taken a step down. More tuned in.

[Michael Bostick]

Gabby Bernstein said something kind, not, not similar but kind of. I said what's your meditation practice? And I wanted like the prescription of what it was. Yes, you said like you book in your day, whatever it is. And she said what, what you said? She said I meditate all the time, I meditate all day. She said whether it's taking a minute in the car or you know, just stopping what I'm doing, even going to the bathroom and like just getting off your phone, like just. She said she does it all day and she said that's really helped her and it takes the pressure off of the meditation.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes. And then when you don't. Don't get me wrong, I'm not meditative every moment.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Sage Robbins]

I'm not self regulated every moment. But that's a gift of life. It's like when you're not. It's like life saying hello, you know what I mean? Your body, our body offers so much information because it feels uncomfortable, because you feel that resistance and that stress. And where I used to tune that out or ignore that or push that aside, it only got bigger, it only got louder. And so self regulation at such a. With our daughter, I look at her as four years old and I think as we reflect that and model that no matter what's happening for her, she blows my mind. She'll you know, she'll catch her. For her it looks like it's not so much the 60 seconds of grace, but it's three breaths and catching her breath and she like, literally she calms herself. And it's just so beautiful to see these practices come to life in that generation. Because I think, I mean for myself, I didn't recognize that a toddler or a three year old or a two year old or a four year old could actually regulate themselves. And God created us wise and capable and no matter what age we are. So that's really quite remarkable.

[Lauren Everts]

It's interesting. Like our son was throwing a tantrum. We do this with both our kids. Our son was throwing a tantrum the other day and like once he's done at the end, I'm like, okay, take the big breaths. And he's like learning how to do it out of his nose. He's like doing his mouth and then he breathes. And it's interesting to watch them do that and fully change their state.

[Michael Bostick]

Yes, I noticed a little. It's kind of manipulative trick to do to them is to say, okay, do three because you're three or three bites of eggs because you're three. So with the breath I'll be like, you need to do three breaths because you're. And they feel like it's their duty because they're three.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes, that's beautiful.

[Michael Bostick]

The age thing really comes in advantage. And my five year old, the same thing, the breath. I think you're so right. They can regulate themselves.

[Sage Robbins]

They do. What I recognize is our daughter, she appreciates when I join her. So if she's really had a big wave or she's just had a tantrum, I'll meet her where she's at, I'll get down to where she's at and I'll say, honey, let's take a breath together. I'm going to breathe up to the moon. Where are you going to breathe to? And she was like the clock on the, you know, on the wall. And I'm like, okay, that's perfect, I'll join you. And so we'll breathe to the clock or we'll breathe to the moon or we'll breathe to whatever. And. But that intimacy once again, that closeness. Now she'll be like, can we breathe together? And so it's something that we do together. And also while she's doing it, I'm doing it. So we're both regulated.

[Michael Bostick]

It's very smart.

[Sage Robbins]

We're both regulating.

[Michael Bostick]

How do you and Toni as Well known people think about raising a child. Like, I, for my own self, want to know, like, what your boundaries are, how you guys think about bringing her.

[Sage Robbins]

Up well, in a big, complicated, wonderful life. I think it's really more about simplicity.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Sage Robbins]

It's the simplicity of values and the simplicity of, as well, rituals, I think that reflect that, anchor that and reflect that. Whether it's coming together. It's like you can say to somebody, be thankful. It's like, what does that even mean? Or we can demonstrate actually holding hands at dinner and saying a prayer of gratitude. I think the real gift is how we want our children to be, is how we need to be. Because we're mirroring. We're mirroring and they're learning not only from what we're teaching them, but for how we are being. And so I think the honesty of. I'll say to our daughter, I'll say, honey, do you know what, mom just. Mom just needs to catch my breath. And she'll say, okay, mom, let's take a breath together. I think that honesty of the realism that, like, life is happening and, you know, they're navigating their world, we're navigating our world. And I think it's an opportunity to reflect what catching ourselves looks like, what self regulation looks like, what beginning again looks like, what love looks like. You know, they're learning from how we are relating. And I think that example is. It's not so much about what we're here to teach her. I think it's more so the example that we get to offer. And if we miss you own it. You tidied up. Because then that teaches them a way to be in right relationship and to be like, I'm sorry. Our daughter, she'll so, like, apologize. So naturally she'll be like, I'm sorry with her little friends. And I think it's so beautiful because we come from a generation where I'm sorry was. I don't know, it was not as frequent.

[Michael Bostick]

You're right.

[Sage Robbins]

True.

[Michael Bostick]

It wasn't as frequent. And I think that that's the book. Extreme ownership has a lot to do with that.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes, that's.

[Michael Bostick]

I might text you a picture of that book.

[Sage Robbins]

Please do.

[Michael Bostick]

Anytime I. Anytime I need it.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes, please do.

[Michael Bostick]

What books, podcasts, content, do you consume to be such a high performer?

[Sage Robbins]

Such a high performer? Well, I'm kind of a weirdo. I like really old books, obscure books, spiritual books that were like, written in, you know, the late 1800s or early 1900s.

[Michael Bostick]

I love stuff like that.

[Sage Robbins]

Tell us all of it. Well, let me tell you something that probably your listeners would more relate to. I have two people that I love and adore that are dear friends. I don't know if you're familiar with Byron Katie's work.

[Michael Bostick]

No.

[Sage Robbins]

Oh, she's a dear, dear friend and a dear sister on the path. She's extraordinary. She does a process called the work and it's a four step process of inquiry. Her book is a mind at home with itself and it's such an extraordinary read. And then another beloved book that we pass out to all of our friends and many times as a Christmas gift is Michael Singer's book called the Untethered Soul.

[Lauren Everts]

I love that book.

[Sage Robbins]

Isn't it so beautiful? And it's also so powerful. I'll return many, many times and I'll just open it up and just read a page because it just offers so much. And his whole philosophy, which I really respect is you just keep, keep letting go. You just. Because if you think about, you know, the notion of surrender, I remember as a younger version of myself, I'd be. I'm surrendered. I mean I surrender all the time and I don't even think I knew what it meant. And at this stage of my life, it's just surrendering the ego, you know, surrendering the clunky stuff, the arrogant patterns or the expectations or the blame or the demonization or whatever is just, it's surrendering that. It's surrendering what is no longer really needed because it only interferes with reality and it disconnects us from love. I mean that internal love, never mind external love.

[Michael Bostick]

I want to read. I feel like I've heard of Byron Katie, but I'm. Yeah, I've heard her name, but I haven't consumed her content.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes, she's really, it's wonderful. It's a very simple process. And you know, if you look at what Tony does on stage, she's really. If he's ever in an intervention, he's asking questions because questions expand our perception. Huh? Questions expand our perception. You know, hers, Katie, is. Is this true? Is this true? Is it true that he doesn't care about me? Is it true that she never listens to me? Is it true that he always judges me? And so you walk through and mind can come up with an answer really more so probably ego can come up with an answer really quickly, but when you put. Causes mind to slow down and it's such a powerful tool for self reflection.

[Michael Bostick]

Out of all of the things that you've seen and you've seen some extraordinary things happen in front of you, I'm sure.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

What's been a transformation that you've seen happen in real time? That's crazy to you?

[Sage Robbins]

Oh, my word.

[Michael Bostick]

I know that's a big question because you've seen a lot.

[Sage Robbins]

So, so, so many. I never get tired of somebody who I suppose, sees themselves in a moment.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah. And becomes aware.

[Sage Robbins]

Becomes aware. And then actually walks these steps. It's really. You know, my father was an AA, and when I think of the 12 steps, it's really. It's that path. It's a redemptive path of somebody admitting and being vulnerable and being open. I think there's, you know, defense and blame can be so common, but it's so beautiful to see a human being so ripped open by life and so willing to see themselves and to live differently, to live a kinder way that is beautiful every single time and that never gets old because I. And I think it's that mirror. That reflection is just so relatable.

[Michael Bostick]

What are the hardest people for you guys to help if you're gonna do a 500,000 women event?

[Sage Robbins]

Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

What are the ones that are the tough apples?

[Sage Robbins]

I'd say the tough apples. Or maybe the ones who were dragged there that don't want to be there.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Sage Robbins]

Because it's lacking. You're lacking willingness.

[Michael Bostick]

Yes. Louise Hay used to say that. She used to say, like, I will not take on a client that was gifted a session with me. It has to be their idea.

[Lauren Everts]

Same thing with aa, right?

[Sage Robbins]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

It's very hard to help people that are not seeking help for themselves.

[Sage Robbins]

True.

[Michael Bostick]

What about people who are in their ego and how do you deal with that?

[Sage Robbins]

Well, it's not people that are in their ego, because we're all in our ego at times.

[Michael Bostick]

Right.

[Sage Robbins]

You know, what's ego? It's just a fear mind. It's a survival mind.

[Michael Bostick]

I mean, maybe, like, there's an arrogance to them. That's difficult.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes. Well, I suppose it's difficult for myself. I look to relate because I've been arrogant. Have you been arrogant?

[Michael Bostick]

Of course.

[Sage Robbins]

Yeah. We've all been arrogant. Right. So in that righteous state. And so it would be more so relating to them. It's like, gosh, I know what it's like to feel like, oh, my gosh, I need to know all the answers. I need to be so hyper vigilant. Or I need to be the. What do you call it? The jaguar. What do you call it? Saber tooth. Saber tooth. The saber tooth.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm not the Saber tooth. I think there's one about to kill me.

[Michael Bostick]

He's looking for the saber tooth.

[Sage Robbins]

Okay, got it.

[Lauren Everts]

Maybe if I thought of myself as a servitude, then.

[Sage Robbins]

But I find when we join people in that common ground, that's where we all meet. No matter where we come from, no matter whether we're educated, uneducated, whether we're poor, whether we're wealthy, whether you're. Whatever race, whatever religion, we all have this labyrinth of mind. We all have an ego. We all have a heart. And we know what it feels like to be out of coherence. We know what it feels like to feel like and to feel at home inside of ourselves. And so I. In those circumstances, you just look to join somebody, because I am you, you're me. We're not so different. We come to different contexts, you know, different name. But we're all human and we're all navigating this experience called life. And it can be extraordinarily humbling. And rather than their ego or their righteousness, it's like, okay, I know what that. I know what that's like. I've been her, I've been him. And I think that in that space, it's disarming. And I think it creates a safety where there's a willingness for individuals to open or not. It's. It's up to each of us.

[Michael Bostick]

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[Lauren Everts]

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[Michael Bostick]

I am so obsessed with this brow peptide. I use it all day long. I use it in the morning, I use it to touch up my brows. I even use it at night. Why it's amazing is it's castor oil. Castor oil is what Egyptians used to use to grow their hair and I added a peptide to it so it's a little umph. So many of these brow growth serums on the market are melting the fat around the eyes which is so crazy. And this one is just non toxic. I use it while pregnant and it just gives your brows this like glazed youthful look. Almost like a feathered brow. It's so pretty. I caught Michael using it. That's how like clean it is. A guy can use it and it lifts your face. I use this after my skincare so in the morning I habit stack it onto all of my skincare. So I'll do everything. I'll put my caffeinated sunscreen on and then I'll just use the spoolie to go through my brows and brush them up. And like I said it gives you like a wet lifted look. And then I also will use the Little lash one. See how we have like a little lash situation at the bottom on top of my lashes before I go to bed after my skincare. You can touch up your brows with this. I sometimes even will use brow pencil. My makeup artists use it. I think this is my favorite Skinny Confidential product. I'm very, very proud of this. And it works. It grows your brows because like I said, castor oil. Egyptians telling you, you got to try this. I have one in every purse. You can't go wrong. You can subscribe on our site, shopskinnyconfidential.com and it's delivered straight to your door. If you want to upgrade your beauty routine and upgrade your eyebrows and lift your face, you gotta try the Skinny Confidentials brow peptide. What is the most powerful thing that you've taught Tony? If you had to guess, and what is the most powerful thing that he's taught you?

[Sage Robbins]

Well, I'll share Tony's capacity to see. I don't know. Tone just loves people. He's such a lover of people and his capacity to find goodness in people. Only always. And he's that way on stage. He's that same guy offstage. And sometimes, you know, when I met him, you know, I always felt protective of me. He's a 6 foot 7 man. Why did I need to feel protective of him? And maybe if we were going into business with somebody and if I felt uneasy or I wasn't certain about the person, and I'd be like, like, I don't know. And he always. And they came in a package that mind would judge. And I'm like, tony, I don't know about this guy or I don't know about this woman. And he's really schooled me to be open. And if I did judge, to be willing to give somebody a chance and to open myself to see something else. That's probably one of the greatest gifts that he has really bestowed is recognizing the universality and the goodness and the innocence in people. I mean, I can't speak for him. You'd have to ask him.

[Michael Bostick]

I mean, you must bring all these different things to him. He married you. So I. What are the things that you feel ground?

[Sage Robbins]

I'd say being, you know, I'd say being, you know, being comfortable, being. Enjoying life. Enjoying in the senses of life and being here now. You know, he was always the guy that, you know, if we say, if it was my birthday, he would want to do the most grand gestures. And I'm like, hon, I just want to be with you. Yeah, I actually like I want nothing. I just want to be with you. So I'd say the simplicity of being. And in that space, love, love, where he doesn't have to do anything. He can just. I love his heart. I love who he is. And I think for him being seen for who he is, not for what he was giving to me, I think that that was. I mean, he has shared that with me. That's been life changing for him. But I certainly can't speak for him, so you'd have to ask him next time we're on your show.

[Michael Bostick]

That makes total sense, though, because his. So much of his life is performing, and I don't know if performing is the right word, but showing up fully.

[Sage Robbins]

For others, on stage for others, and.

[Michael Bostick]

It makes total sense to me that one of the reasons he's so attracted to you is he can just maybe be.

[Sage Robbins]

He can be. I love the guy I love. You know, it's funny because, like, people say, like, who is he really? And he is that guy. Tony Robbins is the guy that I married. And then there's Tone. You know, we all have different aspects of self, and I think that that can be missed sometimes, is that we all have many, many parts. And as much as I love Tony Robbins, I love Tone. And he's the guy with his baseball cap on backwards and, you know, he's goofy and playful and relaxed and in that space where there's less effort, I enjoy that guy as well. I enjoy. And I have, you know, respect and admiration for who he is in both perspectives. But I would say that just the guy, I just. I love his heart.

[Michael Bostick]

That's pretty cute.

[Lauren Everts]

Let me be.

[Michael Bostick]

Lauren, I let you be. I do let you be. But when it's time to give birth, I need you to.

[Lauren Everts]

I get my game face on.

[Michael Bostick]

When it's time to lessons, can we reset?

[Lauren Everts]

We can reset.

[Sage Robbins]

And you're a genius. Just gonna say, I need you. It would be meaningful. Something that Tony and I will say is, honey, it would be meaningful. So, Michael, it would be meaningful if. What. What do you actually. What is your want? I.

[Michael Bostick]

What I want. And I think this. I think you're the perfect person to say this to because you will understand. I think it's hard when you work together and you have the switch on with work, but then I'm in a moment right now where I need to taper off the work and concentrate on giving.

[Sage Robbins]

Yeah. Wait a second. So look at him right now. Tell him that.

[Michael Bostick]

So I need to give birth now. After this episode, can you just at.

[Lauren Everts]

Least Finish, like, the ads after.

[Michael Bostick]

Maybe I can do it.

[Lauren Everts]

Carson. And what else do we have to do?

[Michael Bostick]

He gives me a fucking to do.

[Sage Robbins]

List.

[Lauren Everts]

And we have to do a couple. I'm just kidding. No, I get it. But this is a perfect example of what I was saying.

[Sage Robbins]

But just respond to her, Michael.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes, I will.

[Sage Robbins]

As a consideration.

[Lauren Everts]

I think today's the last day, actually, that we should. Because we've really.

[Michael Bostick]

Because I'm crowning. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

We've really stretched it to the limit with.

[Sage Robbins]

Literally stretched.

[Michael Bostick]

Excuse the pun.

[Lauren Everts]

I thought this. We were gonna. I thought we were gonna slow down a lot earlier like this. Literally. The baby could come at any stage.

[Michael Bostick]

The work switch is gonna be off after this, after this day, after the pickups.

[Sage Robbins]

But, yes, it would be. Meaning what I hear from her is it would be meaningful for her. I don't want to put words in you, but please, to the width. The work switch. If I can speak. The work switch is. Is off. And to take a pause, a space together, a moment together. I don't know, dude. Like, it's. It's your life, but that's what I feel in you, is that you want to catch your breath before this little one comes.

[Michael Bostick]

They call it on Instagram and TikTok. Soft girl era, I think. Okay, it's time. Like, I've put in the work.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm not going to try to.

[Michael Bostick]

You guys know. Priscilla knows what I'm talking about. She's shaking her head. It's a soft. Like, I need to switch into my. My. My feminine more.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

And I think sometimes that's hard when you are working with your spouse, because you are a lot as you know, when you're masculine.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

And when you want to turn that off and switch it. And this is where it's hard to work together as a couple.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes.

[Michael Bostick]

It's. It's confusing, I think sometimes because they're used to. They're used to the masculine. And. And I don't think it's hard to articulate it off.

[Lauren Everts]

I think it's hard to switch it off and on and off and on in such short periods of time. Does that make sense?

[Sage Robbins]

Yes, it does. Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

And I'm looking at, like.

[Sage Robbins]

And what makes you access. What nourishes that part of you? Do you even know that?

[Michael Bostick]

I think motherhood and being at home and homemaking and being in my house. And I think I'm about to go into that, like, nesting phase that you go into. And I want. You can flicker your switch a little. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

No, I think it's time.

[Michael Bostick]

Isn't this so serendipitous that you came on the show when this all happened?

[Lauren Everts]

It's perfect. Perfect timing for me to be honest. I was, it was getting a little rocky there for me for a second. So.

[Michael Bostick]

I was getting paper. Beautiful.

[Lauren Everts]

I think Tony helped us the first, you know, we, you know, doing this show in a funny therapy, you know, in a way, in a weird way like we don't do couples therapy. But I think it's. I think it's very important for people to think about that. But the reason we don't is we get the benefit of talking about these kind of things with people like yourself. So regular. Like this show in a weird way has been very therapeutic because we, we spend hours and hours together talking about things with people about these kind of issues.

[Michael Bostick]

It's weird. You were the perfect energy to come on the show today.

[Sage Robbins]

Well, that was guided.

[Lauren Everts]

Just hang around for like the next couple weeks.

[Michael Bostick]

I have some, some rapid fire questions.

[Sage Robbins]

Okay, sure, go for it.

[Michael Bostick]

And then I want to hear all about the summit that everyone can do. She's unstoppable. These are rapid fire questions.

[Sage Robbins]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

What would your 80 year old self.

[Sage Robbins]

Thank you for today for letting go, for letting go of what's no longer needed and for becoming more self reflective rather than self absorbed.

[Michael Bostick]

Ooh, that's a good one. What's one truth that you wish every woman could fully embody?

[Sage Robbins]

That we don't have to choose? That life gives us the experience that we can be all of it that I don't know so much. It's about being equal to. I think there's the beauty and the gift of being different and exploring all of our many facets of self. And, and I think in that life is never, you know, we've never really arrived. We get to keep iterating and I think that that's really fascinating and beautiful. So I look at that with our daughter and I'm like, honey, it's like it's not just like you can do anything, but you can also be. And that there's a space to feel it all, express it all, live it all, taste it all. Life is just meant to be experienced. And I think that that's very freeing. I think that that's very freeing.

[Michael Bostick]

Multifaceted.

[Sage Robbins]

True.

[Michael Bostick]

How do you personally define emotional safety in today's world?

[Sage Robbins]

Emotional safety define what that means to you.

[Michael Bostick]

Emotional safety to, to me personally is keeping a regulated nervous system and feeling balanced mentally and emotionally.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes, I'm very aligned with that. I think sometimes when you describe it that way, a lot of people can look at emotional safety as, you know, don't trigger me or don't say this or don't do that. And that can get wonky because then once again, I'm wanting this person to behave different than what they are, like.

[Lauren Everts]

Laser tag or a lot of people to behave that way. Especially if you're on the Internet, it's weird. You're counting on a mass of the population to behave in a certain way that you want them to. And it's not realistic.

[Sage Robbins]

But I think emotional safety is about being what's most authentic and what's true for you in the moment and allowing emotion. It has a life of its own. And I think sometimes we can demonize what's coming up, but it's coming up to be understood, it's coming up to be lived. And I think it's not even safe, but I think it's just natural. The other night, you know, I was with my family and a dear beloved family of mine is navigating dementia. You know, it was humbling and it was beautiful and it was painful. And I went to bed that night and I got up and I was brushing my teeth and I don't know, I cried in a way that I haven't in a very long time. And I just noticed, and it wasn't like dramatic crying. The younger version of myself, I was crying, oh, this happened. You know what I mean? The external of this, it was just, I don't know, it felt raw, it felt primal, it felt instinctive. It just moved through me. And that was self regulating. Like, I don't know, I had compassion for me, for my family member, for the whole experience. And it was just. It felt honest and it felt true.

[Michael Bostick]

I think that why dementia is so hard too is because you probably feel not emotionally safe.

[Sage Robbins]

True. I think what I recognize about the pattern of it is, or the disease of it is that your world shrinks and things become, yeah, scarier. You know, it's one foot in reality, but yet I also see not so different than you and I. I can fall asleep, I can be crazy. In my mind, it's just life with maybe a little bit less of a middle ground, I suppose, or the capacity to self regulate. And so with that, it just invokes an incredible amount of compassion.

[Lauren Everts]

I also imagine there's a little bit of a mourning element to it. At least that's what it was for me and my grandmother, because you kind of the person is still there physically, but parts of them are gone or leaving.

[Sage Robbins]

If that makes sense or just. Just different.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Sage Robbins]

And so. But what I really noticed too is it's really. It's such a. An amazing opportunity to practice our own self regulation so that for myself that I can just. All I want to be is connected and to show up and be the best version. Most connected and understanding and accepting and not personaliz. It's not about me. It's about holding space for this individual if it really does feel unsafe. I think it's the sane and the kind thing to do to love them.

[Michael Bostick]

It sounds like you're doing a really good job at that.

[Sage Robbins]

You do the best you can. You saw we can never do it.

[Michael Bostick]

And this lends to this question. You said, you said, I just want to make sure I can write it down. You said change expectation for appreciation.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes. That's Tony's. That's not mine.

[Michael Bostick]

You can rebrand it. You're his wife. You created. She's unstoppable. For women who are feeling burnt out or disconnected. Which I think is genius. Cause so many are.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes. Or burnt out or disconnected or just having a hunger to connect with the most authentic version with our true nature. And you know, it's interesting because you know, she's unstoppable. It's like the team went back and forth and I was like, you know, I want to stop sometimes. So, you know. But it's not the doing, it's more about the being. There's a force that's guided all three of us to be in this room right now.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Sage Robbins]

That's powerful. And this summit's really about tapping into that force, about tapping into our nature. About freeing what's no longer serving us and living a life a kinder way, a truer way, a more fulfilling way.

[Michael Bostick]

So if a woman who's listening wants to come to this event, what do you personally hope that they walk away with?

[Sage Robbins]

That they walk away with feeling free. That they walk away with knowing how to self regulate themselves. That they know how to free themselves. That. That who they are is beautiful, perfect and whole. And I think that's part of it is just falling in love with the beautiful gift of being a woman. I love everything about being a woman. And I also see that. I think there's common challenges and opportunities for us and we all meet in that. And so I think having more that we can connect to having an understanding and recognizing that, yes, I am this, I am that, I do this, I do that. And hey, what about her?

[Michael Bostick]

You should call it. He just doesn't understand. He just doesn't get it. It's clueless.

[Lauren Everts]

It'd be a packed event.

[Michael Bostick]

Rebrand it. I can rebrand it. I have a lot of ideas.

[Sage Robbins]

I'm sure you do.

[Michael Bostick]

Let me pull out my poster board. He literally has no idea you could do that event. He's delusional.

[Lauren Everts]

What are we talking about now? Who are you?

[Sage Robbins]

Go.

[Michael Bostick]

Let's wait. What do I say? Let's reset.

[Lauren Everts]

Let's reset. Let's reset. Start over.

[Michael Bostick]

No. These tools have been amazing. In all seriousness, I'm not joking. These tools have been amazing, especially for me, because I can run hot. I'm hormonal right now, and I actually am going to use the Sage Robbins techniques, and I think they're going to work. I'm putting it out there in the ether.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm certain they'll work. Whatever. What? What if it's. As long as it's different than the first approach, I think we're going to be heading the right direction.

[Sage Robbins]

Do you know what I notice about you both is even though, you know, maybe in moments you drive each other crazy, I really feel and see a lot of love. And he makes you even when he's talking, and sometimes you may be, like, giving him shit a little. You're also smiling. And you really love this man, and you really love her. And that's utterly evident and palpable and apparent between the two of you.

[Lauren Everts]

That's very nice. You said, you know what's funny is, like, she's a total pain in my ass, but I wouldn't.

[Sage Robbins]

I'm a total pain in Tony's ass.

[Lauren Everts]

But I, you know, still.

[Michael Bostick]

You guys like it, though. What do you want? No pain in your ass.

[Lauren Everts]

But I think this is important for anyone to. That's getting into a relationship. Like, I wouldn't change anything about her. Sometimes people see our banter and they don't because maybe it wouldn't be their banter. But I'm like, this is. This is what I felt and who I fell in love with. So it's like, listen, every relationship has room for improvement. But I don't get upset by this because, like, I. This is. But I think is a mistake in a relationship is you fall in love with someone and then you spend the entire time trying to change the person you fell in love with. That doesn't work.

[Michael Bostick]

I also think when you've been together 25 years, you can relate to this. It's like, you know the line. I've known him since I was 12. I know the line. Of how far we can go. And so the Internet, they get mad. They're like, oh, she heckles him or what? I'm like, no, we, we, we know the line.

[Lauren Everts]

Yes, like that. It was like that Dave Chappelle, Charlie Murphy skit when he plays Rick James and he's like, rick James is a habitual line stepper. Like, she's a habitual stepping.

[Michael Bostick]

I take a toe and over the line, but it doesn't touch the other side.

[Lauren Everts]

I hope I got that one. I think that's Carson. That's the Rick.

[Sage Robbins]

That's actually a really great metaphor. Tony always says, he's like, honey, he says, I stand on stage with 10,000 people and they prepared me for dealing with you. So, yes, I'm no cakewalk. But you find, you keep it fun.

[Michael Bostick]

You do.

[Sage Robbins]

Life is.

[Michael Bostick]

He needs some color. Okay. She is unstoppable. A free three day experience. Tell us where we can sign up. I want to reiterate, it's free, which is so amazing.

[Sage Robbins]

Yes. And it's only two hours a day. It's. She's unstoppable. Summit.com Amazing.

[Lauren Everts]

We will link it all out in the show. Notes, everybody.

[Sage Robbins]

Sage Robbins at Sage Robbins.

[Michael Bostick]

Next time you guys have to come on together. We'll get a bigger couch for 6 foot 7.

[Sage Robbins]

You might need it.

[Michael Bostick]

And we'll do a him and her and you guys can do therapy on us.

[Sage Robbins]

Oh, I don't think you need it. You guys can do therapy on us.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, we enjoy talking to you.

[Michael Bostick]

Thank you so much for coming and.

[Lauren Everts]

Thank you for making the trip out here.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, thank you.

[Sage Robbins]

It's been, it's been a real gift. You guys are beautiful. I've enjoyed you.

[Michael Bostick]

Thank you.