Sami Clarke & Sami Spalter On Healing From The Inside Out, The Power Of Your Nervous System, & Becoming Magnetic To What You Desire

Summary

Summary of "The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast" Episode Featuring Sami Clark & Sami Spalter

Release Date: April 17, 2025

In this insightful episode of The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Podcast, hosts Lauryn Bosstick and Michael Bostick engage in a profound conversation with wellness experts Sami Clark and Sami Bernstein Spalter. The discussion delves deep into themes of personal healing, the power of the nervous system, building a wellness empire with a best friend, and cultivating magnetism towards one's desires. Below is a detailed summary capturing the essence of their unfiltered dialogue, enriched with notable quotes and timestamps for context.

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1. Introduction of the Guests

Michael Bostick introduces the guests, highlighting their presence on social media and their show, Transform, under Dear Media. He emphasizes Sami Clark's transition from modeling to becoming a certified health, wellness, and fitness trainer, and Sami Bernstein Spalter's role as the co-founder of Form and its top customer.

Michael Bostick [02:30]: "So to give you a little background before we get into it, Sammy Clark is a certified health, wellness and fitness trainer..."

2. The Journey to Partnership

The Sammies recount how their partnership began during the COVID-19 pandemic through their husbands. Sami Clark was on a personal weight loss journey and sought a community to support her transformation. Their friendship organically evolved into a business partnership as they recognized a shared mission to create a wellness platform that emphasizes authenticity and community support.

Sami Clark [03:14]: "Through our husbands... What started as just a simple friendship turned into what is now our business."

3. Building the Wellness Empire: Roles and Synergy

Sami Bernstein Spalter elaborates on the complementary roles each brings to Form. While Sami Clark focuses on the creative and community aspects, Sammy Spalter handles the operational side, ensuring the business runs smoothly. This division of responsibilities, rooted in their strengths, has been pivotal in scaling their enterprise.

Sami Bernstein Spalter [06:36]: "I looked at Sam as talent from day one... She was like, run the business."

Michael Bostick underscores the importance of defining roles within a partnership, noting that successful brands often have clear lanes defined upfront.

Michael Bostick [06:01]: "The brands that I've seen succeeded... they're the ones where the lanes defined up front..."

4. Fitness Journeys: From Disconnection to Empowerment

Both Sammies share their personal fitness journeys, highlighting the transformative power of movement. Sami Bernstein Spalter discusses her shift from struggling with body image and weight to embracing movement as a form of self-love and healing. Meanwhile, Sami Clark details her long-term battle with weight, ineffective diets, and her eventual breakthrough through disciplined strength training and intuitive movement.

Sami Bernstein Spalter [10:07]: "I love the way it feels to lift heavy on my upper body. That is my go-to."

5. Emphasizing Long-Term Habits Over Quick Fixes

The conversation shifts to the pitfalls of quick-fix solutions in wellness. Both guests advocate for sustainable habits, emphasizing that lasting change often requires years of dedication rather than immediate results.

Sami Clark [17:13]: "With my weight loss journey, that did take over five years... I took a really long road to get here."

6. The Role of the Nervous System in Health

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the nervous system's influence on overall well-being. Lauren Everts introduces the topic by highlighting the gut's impact on metabolism and mood, setting the stage for a deeper exploration by the guests.

Lauren Everts [28:00]: "What most people don't realize is how much of the issues we face are in the gut."

7. Navigating Personal Challenges: Grief and Healing

Sami Clark opens up about her experience with grief following her mother's passing. She shares how attending the Hoffman Institute facilitated her healing process, allowing her to cultivate compassion and forgiveness. This personal revelation underscores the podcast's theme of healing from the inside out.

Sami Clark [53:23]: "Hoffman definitely helped with it... I can fully forgive her for everything..."

8. High Performance and Authenticity

The guests discuss what constitutes a high performer, emphasizing the importance of authenticity and playing to one's strengths. Sami Bernstein Spalter encourages embracing both creative and operational skills to achieve high performance without confining oneself to rigid roles.

Sami Bernstein Spalter [73:30]: "As long as you're true to yourself, I think you're, like, the highest performer."

9. Balancing Personal Life and Entrepreneurship

Lauryn and Michael delve into the challenges and strategies of balancing personal relationships with entrepreneurial ambitions. They highlight the necessity of integrating both masculine and feminine energies to sustain both business growth and personal fulfillment.

Michael Bostick [43:35]: "How are you both balancing that? Because I've had a lot of different iterations in my own life with masculine and feminine energy."

10. Community and Connection in Wellness

Sami Bernstein Spalter emphasizes the significance of community support in wellness journeys. By fostering an inclusive environment where individuals of all fitness levels feel welcome, Form has cultivated a loyal and supportive community.

Sami Bernstein Spalter [85:06]: "To be a part of the community is everything. To have that support."

11. Personal Wellness Tools and Practices

Towards the end of the episode, the Sammies share their personal wellness routines, including meditation practices, regular self-check-ins, and the use of specific tools like mouth tapes and meditation apps. These practices highlight their holistic approach to health, integrating physical, mental, and spiritual well-being.

Sami Bernstein Spalter [36:38]: "I have a lot of mixed energy around this... but first to the femininity..."

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The episode closes with rapid-fire questions, offering listeners a glimpse into the personal preferences of the Sammies, such as their coffee orders and daily eating habits. This segment adds a relatable and light-hearted end to a conversation rich in depth and authenticity.

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Notable Quotes:

• Michael Bostick [06:01]: "The brands that I've seen succeeded... they're the ones where the lanes defined up front..."

• Sami Clark [17:13]: "With my weight loss journey, that did take over five years... I took a really long road to get here."

• Sami Bernstein Spalter [73:30]: "As long as you're true to yourself, I think you're, like, the highest performer."

• Sami Clark [53:23]: "Hoffman definitely helped with it... I can fully forgive her for everything..."

This episode offers a comprehensive exploration of personal and professional growth, underscoring the importance of authentic connections, sustained effort, and holistic health practices. Sami Clark and Sami Bernstein Spalter provide listeners with actionable insights and inspiration to enhance their own wellness journeys.

Transcript

[Lauren Everts]

The following podcast is a Dear Media production.

[Michael Bostick]

Before we get into this episode, I would love to tell you about my favorite charity, something I'm very passionate about for a long time. It's called I Stand with My Pack. It's a female run nonprofit that's dedicated to saving animals. And I am so passionate about this charity. I had the founders on the podcast and they talked all about how they rescue dogs from high kill shelters, specifically in Southern California. And their goal is to provide the animal with a loving foster home. So right now they are in need of donations and fosters and this is gonna help them to continue to save so many dogs lives. They if you go look at their Instagram, it's incredible what they've done. Even a dollar donation from every listener makes a really big impact and it's really cool to see how they rehab these dogs. These dogs go from, from just having like the worst life ever to the best life ever. Very, very into this charity. Istandwithmypack.org you can donate or sign up to Foster. That's istandwithmypack.org she's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Sammy Clark]

Fantastic.

[Lauren Everts]

And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostick are bringing you along for the ride.

[Michael Bostick]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Lauren Everts]

Welcome to the Skin Skinny Confidential. Him and her.

[Michael Bostick]

You asked for it and they're here. You asked for the sammies. You may recognize the sammies from social media. You may recognize them from their show called Transform, which is on Dear Media. Or you may recognize them from Instagram reels. So to give you a little background before we get into it, Sammy Clark is a certified health, wellness and fitness trainer. She is committed to guiding you towards a healthier lifestyle. And she's formally a model. She's completely transitioned her focus to training on the platform Form. And additionally you get Sammy Bernstein Spatler, who is not only the co founder of form, but also the self proclaimed number one form customer. This episode is really cool because you get to see how they've built this wellness empire from the inside out and how they think about health, wellness, diet and fitness. We go all over the place per usual. Let's get into it with the founders of form, the Sammys.

[Lauren Everts]

This is the Skinny Confidential. Him and her. You guys know what you're doing. Pretend we know what we're doing.

[Michael Bostick]

Oh my God.

[Sammy Clark]

The king and queen.

[Michael Bostick]

Truly the king and queen.

[Sammy Clark]

Yes. I don't know what that. Lauren, Own it.

[Michael Bostick]

Own it. I don't know about the King and queen. Michael thinks he's the king. I'll let him think he's the king. That's the trick to being married for this long, you let them think they're the king.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

So wait, what is he, a prince?

[Michael Bostick]

I feel like I have a little king energy, but I'll just let you think.

[Lauren Everts]

Whenever you get like this, I tell her, like, put your fucking balls away. Because part of the key to being married is your wife does not take her giant balls out and throw them on the table.

[Michael Bostick]

That's why I let you think you're the king.

[Lauren Everts]

Keep that in the show, Carson.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay. Welcome to the show. Sammy and Sammy, how did you guys meet?

[Sammy Clark]

Through our husbands.

[Michael Bostick]

Tell me that story.

[Sammy Clark]

Oh, it's our favorite story to tell our love story. Honestly, it was Covid. So it was during the pandemic. I was actually in the midst of my weight loss journey. And Andrew, who is at the time my boyfriend, goes, my friend from middle school, J.T. barnett, is dating this girl also named Sammy, and they live a half a mile away. Let's go for a walk with them. And I go, sammy Clark. Like, I do her YouTube 10 minute abs weekly, please. Like, I would love to meet her. And you guys know when you were living in la, when you actually can genuinely connect with someone and it's someone that, like, you're almost manifesting a friend like that. We ended up going on one walk that turned into weekly walks every Tuesday during the pandemic. And what started as just like a simple friendship turned into what is now our business. And, I mean, we're very best friends. Chosen sisters and the boys have known each other since middle school.

[Michael Bostick]

And did you feel, Sammy, that you had a gap in your business that she needed to fill, or was that not anything?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

So I met her at a really interesting time. I actually was looking to start my business before I was even started. So form wasn't created yet. And I grew this crazy audience on social media, had like 5, 000 girls showing up for lives. If you're on those lives, I love you so much. I was doing them five times a week, teaching workouts, just growing this organic, authentic community. And I knew I needed to take these people somewhere. I'm like, Instagram is just holding all of these people for me. And my most important thing was to stay so true to my craft and stay so true to the community. So I didn't want to be running the ops. And, like, that's something I just knew. And so when I met Sam, I was like, okay, I Feel like she is so my energy, but also she's run a business before and understands this. And she was in her weight loss journey. We were just vibing as friends. And then she actually asked me. She's like, I feel like we could be business because I was one of.

[Sammy Clark]

The girls on the lives. Like, I knew what was needed because I was her customer.

[Michael Bostick]

You were in it. You were a practitioner.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

And that's the thing. I had calls with, like, these, like, old men that were like, let's do this. I'm doing this for her and her and her. And I was like, I cannot talk to you every day. And like, you don't understand my mission. This is way bigger than me being another person on your roster. Like, I need someone who wants to create something massive, but but is doing it for the people. And that's when I talked to her. She didn't even do what, like, what she was doing before wasn't even what I were doing now, But I could feel like she understood my mission and was ready to create it with me. And also was, like, not trying to be, like, the star of the show. She was like, how do we make this the biggest thing ever? And I want to support you. And I just felt her support from day one. And that's what I wanted.

[Michael Bostick]

The brands that I've seen succeeded across the board have a common denominator, and we've never talked about it on this show. They're the ones that have the lanes defined up front, and they're the ones where there is someone that can lean into the talent and the creative, and there's a person who's comfortable being behind the scenes and they're confident with themselves and they are really good at ops. And sure, they can come on, you know, a show or a TV appearance, but they're really good at operations. I think that makes such a good team. Have you guys found that?

[Sammy Clark]

1 million percent. And I think it was nice because, as you perfectly said, it was that from day one. I looked at Sam as talent from day one. And I've also honored her creative genius. And she looked at me as the business. She was like, run the business. I want to be involved. I never want to be the person who's naive to what's going on and what the financials are and the ops. But I need to trust someone to run it. And before we work together, I ran an agency with my brother. So all I knew was working with someone who felt like family. And that was the only thing that we needed to discuss before we got started, it wasn't if Sam and I could balance that, it was, can we really do this as best friends?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

And I think that's the thing we do so well is in the beginning, we had a plan. We have pivoted that plan a hundred times. Four years later, like, I think people feel like they need to have it all figured out of like, what the business plan is, you know, just all the logistics. And I'm like, we don't know what we're doing yet. You're gonna run ops, I'm gonna do this. But we showed up in each other's role also to learn each other's role in the entire business. Like, I was on every financial meeting, I was listening around the ops, she was showing up to my workouts. She didn't need to be there, but we wanted to understand each other and be this team. And I feel like we have just truly grown and pivoted over four years. And it's not the same business that it was in the beginning or the same partnership.

[Lauren Everts]

Have you guys read that book Rocket Fuel?

[Sammy Clark]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

Is that the one with the orange cover?

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, it is.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay, so I like that book especially for people, I think, like all of us that work in a dynamic where there's one that's kind of more of the big picture, front facing person and then more of the operator, and it's funny. And like in Lauren and I's dynamic, obviously she's more front facing and I'm more behind the scenes. But in Dear Media's dynamic, you guys work with us. Like Paige is that counterpart for me on the op side and I'm actually more front facing for Dear Media, but it's. It kind of articulates. You kind of need both people to push something.

[Sammy Clark]

To your point, with Dear Media, that was such an obvious yes for us to sign with a network because I couldn't be ops in that scenario. I needed to actually be talent. And that's where, yeah, you need to pick a lane. I mean, I do think you can touch both in a certain regard. Like with form. I do host meet and greets and it's amazing to meet the community because I offer a different story than Sammy does.

[Lauren Everts]

But.

[Sammy Clark]

But at the same time, 90% of the time, if not more, I'm behind the scenes running the ops. When it comes to transform, I want to be able to treat myself as talent. I want to have creative time to think through what's next. So Dear Media, you guys run, I mean, the entire operation, all the production, all the partnerships, Everything. I don't have to use that side of my brain as much.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I think it's. I think business partners and even couples get in trouble when they don't define those lanes in the beginning. And then there's, like, a little bit of confusion about, like, who's doing what or what the vision is, like, for Lauren and I, even though we do this show together, like, it's very clear, like, the reason it's called the Skinny Color. I mean, for fucking forever. It was a giant pink cover.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Now that's a black and white.

[Lauren Everts]

But anyways, I think if I was trying to be the lead singer in that dynamic in the beginning, it would just been very. One, it would have been hard on the marriage. And two, like, it just wouldn't have scaled the way it did.

[Michael Bostick]

How did you guys set expectations with each other? Like, was there a conversation?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

You know, when you embody an energy and that person matches it? That was us. Like, it was like, I'm gonna show up my best and embody this energy. And Sam and I were meeting each other always. It was just like a felt sense.

[Michael Bostick]

Synergistic.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

What was your relationships to fitness? Weight loss workouts. I know you guys have had different journeys. I would love to just give the audience some context on that.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

So I feel like mine is always progressing, but how I got into it personally, obviously, I am a fitness trainer. I started with moving to Los Angeles, and I was in the modeling and acting world. I really got such a benefit from my family who taught me how to eat right. My dad was in personal training, so I really got to see how to feel good. And when I came to la, it was. I started to feel bad. You know, I started. My mindset started to suffer. I started to sleep in. I was partying a lot, and I just saw that I felt really shitty. And the only thing I kept doing was my movement. And my movement was the thing that I could actually come home to and feel myself in. And so I started to share, like, all of my movement that I was doing. And I remember these models on set were like, there's some glow about you that's happening. Like, what are you. Like, what are you doing? And this was something that changed my life and made me feel, again, so much better when I was feeling in a really dark place. And so I started literally showcasing and sharing all of my workouts for free. I was like, I could do this in my sleep because it has changed my life. Like, once you've really tackled movement and not for an aesthetic Feeling, but for actually the way it makes you feel, it's game over. You. You actually can't go days without it, even if it's a walk or if it's a 10 minute lift. And that's how I felt. I saw that mentally and physically. It was changing my life. I felt more connected to myself. I felt more intuitive. I felt somatically like myself moving trauma, moving things in my body. Like I was doing magical things. I didn't always have words for it. Now I have a lot more words for it. But I wanted to share with everyone. And so that's kind of how my journey, where I think a lot of people followed along is I just had an energy about me that was like, this will change your life. Just come and join me. And that's when I was doing those lives five times a week and girls were like, I feel so good in 30 minutes. I need to continue doing this. And it's been my passion ever since.

[Michael Bostick]

You can tell you're very passionate about it.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

And what about your journey? Your journey was different.

[Sammy Clark]

Very different. And I think this is where, you know, I do feel the need to speak so that other people can feel seen because there is such a demo out there who I know struggles the way I did for my entire life because I was overweight my entire life. Like, truly until the last couple of years, I was struggling with my weight in a really deep way. And I did not understand nutrition. I never enjoyed movement. And I think back to even in middle school and high school, I would do things like the cookie diet where you would eat these cardboard cookies that had these like random little chocolate chips that would give me like some little joy or I did. Jennifer.

[Lauren Everts]

That was a real diet, though.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah, it was called Smart for Life. And I would literally eat these cookies all over the country.

[Michael Bostick]

Remember the one, the drink that you would get at Rite Aid that was like the Hollywood. Oh, yeah, the hall. I did this before you took me to San Carlo, your fraternity trip. You like, drink the drink the lemon Hollywood cleanse for like three days.

[Sammy Clark]

I wonder what's in it. We should look back and see that's hectic.

[Lauren Everts]

You did it because you knew you were going to the beach with me.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

No, not just you. It was like everyone. I needed to like peacock my feathers. Yeah, you were excited about it. Go ahead.

[Sammy Clark]

Was right there with you, the Rite Aid drink and was really just trying anything and everything. And sure I'd see some weight loss, but it would never stay. And we all know the story when you're a yo yo dieter. You try everything, but you never actually figure out what food you need to eat and what movement you're actually going to crave to create the lifestyle where you can actually maintain results. You're. You're gonna go right back. And when I moved to Los Angeles after I graduated college, I was heads down in my career. I've always been a workhorse and that doesn't really help when you're on a wellness journey. And I was finding my new doctor in la, they made me step on a scale which was something I had avoided for probably like five years at that point. And it was a rude awakening and it was a moment in time that I'll never forget because I looked at myself square in the mirror and said, you need change. You need change. If you want to live a long, beautiful life that you deserve, there has to be change here. And I've always been someone to look at experts. I know what I'm great at, but I also know who's an expert that I want right beside me to help me change my life. So I hired a nutritionist and at that time I actually joined a CrossFit gym. So that was an interesting moment.

[Michael Bostick]

It's moving in the right direction. We had to get her back.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

It's not.

[Sammy Clark]

No, Lauren.

[Michael Bostick]

It's better than sitting on the couch.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah.

[Sammy Clark]

But it did introduce me to strength training, which is like my go to bread and butter love. Yeah. And so much cortisol. And I mean I basically, it was like army boot camp every day. But it was a two second walk from my apartment in Venice beach, so there was no reason for me to not show up. So it was really just that proximity thing for me. And then after I had my year long membership and I went five days a week, I said, absolutely not. We are moving on to what else is out there. And that's when I started going on YouTube and figuring out, okay, who can I strength train with? That's not the CrossFit vibe, but at.

[Lauren Everts]

Least it got you into strength training and got you.

[Sammy Clark]

It really did. And discipline, I mean, I learned self discipline, which I always say now is my form of self love. Like I needed to figure out control. I used to eat like a Costco muffin for breakfast. Ones that are literally the size of your head. And then I, it was just, I had no good habits. I needed to start somewhere. And I learned so much control, so much self discipline, and then found YouTube workouts like Sammy Clark's would do those, fall in love with those. Started Walking, Fell in love with walking, Started introducing Pilates, which I love. Adding in a couple of days and. And really just became so intuitive with myself. And I never had a connection to my body. I was truly living dissociated from my body for the longest time. I. It was almost like, you know that feeling when you rent a car and you don't really give a shit? You're like, yeah, like, we can leave the trash in it. That's how I felt. Or now I'm like, driving my dream home.

[Lauren Everts]

Just remind me never to rent you a car.

[Sammy Clark]

Like, I don't know. That sense of ownership of, like, this is mine. Treat it with respect. And now I feel like my body is my temple. I love it. I want to honor it. I want to show up every day and give it what it wants. And, I mean, I'm just so proud of myself for figuring it out. And now I get to surround myself in it day in and day out. And I think it's no accident that we're doing what we're doing.

[Lauren Everts]

So how long was it since when you started the CrossFit to where you felt like you were comfortable in your body and you were getting the results? Like, how. What did. How many years did that take? Sometimes people, like, I'm super vocal about talking about how long some of this stuff takes, because people will look at you guys and what you've accomplished now, and they're like, oh, like, it's got to be quick. And sometimes if. If they think that way, they'll kind of fall off. And so I just. I think it's important to talk about, like, how long it actually took.

[Sammy Clark]

Absolutely. And I love this topic more than anything because I think there are so many quick fixes out there right now. And I always ask myself, like, with my weight loss journey, that did take over five years. I didn't know about Ozempic five years ago. Like, what would I have done then? I don't actually know, but I took a really long road to get here, and I'm grateful because I learned those habits. So, yeah, five years. Year one was zero to a hundred. So year one was, in hindsight, too restrictive. But there were big results. I went full keto and full CrossFit.

[Michael Bostick]

Like, wow, so you did, like, the band aid ripped off.

[Sammy Clark]

Oh, that band aid was off. And I was honestly living in a box. Like, again, hindsight, 20 20.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't think that's the worst thing, though.

[Sammy Clark]

In the beginning, you force it.

[Michael Bostick]

The Japanese is coming out of you.

[Lauren Everts]

No, no. I mean, I just.

[Michael Bostick]

I think this is because they're. You're. You're side of you that's Japanese is very disciplined. Well, I'll give you, like, very disciplined. Like, Like, I've never heard him say he's craving anything. He eats. You eat until.

[Lauren Everts]

This is such your favorite topic.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, it's. It's fascinating.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

It is fascinating. It's not like the normal human you eat.

[Michael Bostick]

He just stops when he's 80% full. Well, I guess it's a different kind of thing. I don't know.

[Lauren Everts]

I grew up with a Japanese grandmother, and that was very normal in our household. Like, that we. There was never, like, you finish every ounce of your plate. It's like when you're full, you're full and you just move on. But you don't.

[Michael Bostick]

Something's really good, though. Don't. I'm like, ooh, one more bite of sourdough and maybe another bite.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Are you consciously, like, being like, okay, I am 80% full. I'm going to stop. Or your stomach just, like, nose.

[Lauren Everts]

And then I don't like the feeling of feeling, like, really full.

[Michael Bostick]

Well, I don't either. But if it's really good, I'm like, I don't know.

[Lauren Everts]

I think, like, fortunately, I found. And it's funny because as you were talking about the way you feel, like, I found these kind of activities since I was young, I was always in sports. I know. You have a boyfriend that plays hockey. I grew up playing hockey. I did all this stuff. So I was always in some kind of gym. Do this. And for me, at this point now, with two kids, another on the way, like, I don't do anything for the aesthetic. I do it just all for how I feel. Like, I feel like I could not get.

[Michael Bostick]

That's what it sounds like you do.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Well, I think 100%. I mean, definitely. Don't get me wrong, when someone compliments, like, you look really great, it feels so good. And when you feel good in your body and even, like, I also want to say, like, that was a hard thing for me posting on YouTube. The thumbnails that did the best were get abs in 10 minutes.

[Sammy Clark]

The clickbait.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

You know the clickbait. But at the end of the day, what I think form has brought, which I'm so grateful for, is the feeling. And I think once you actually. I actually think movement, and you guys tell me your thoughts. I think movement is the number one way people actually meet themselves. But it's. It seems like the safest way. It's not like, let Me, go to therapy, Let me go, I don't know, go to a retreat and do something crazy. I'm going to move my body. And they think it's for an aesthetic feeling, but actually it's for an internal, like, spiritual feeling, in my opinion, because that's why I think everyone needs it and keeps coming back to it. Because it is, like, way bigger than just the way you look.

[Michael Bostick]

It's meditative. I also, like, look at movement as a strategy session with myself, like, where I can plan what I'm going to do for the day. It. It is totally more than just aesthetic.

[Lauren Everts]

I have a personal. Like, people that are close to me in my personal life. I have a rule, like, I don't want to hear about their feelings. I don't want to hear about their depression or their anxiety or their sadness or other business failing if they're not moving their body at least four times a week. A lot of these things, and I know people don't like to hear this, a lot of these things with mood disorders and depression and anxiety would be cured if people got out and exercised four to five times a week.

[Michael Bostick]

If I sat in the house seven days a week, I have.

[Lauren Everts]

And I can say this as somebody who would.

[Michael Bostick]

I know like you do with no sun.

[Lauren Everts]

Whenever I would feel, I would imagine if I sold you, like, you're not going to be able to work out for a full month, like, what that's going to do now that you. You know how it feels. And listen, I'm not saying that some of those disorders and anxieties are not real, but you can accomplish and move away from so much of that if you get out and move your body and get those endorphins flowing. And I just. The reason I won't talk to people in my personal life that aren't doing those things is like, I know. I know what it will do for them if they actually start developing a routine. And my personal opinion is a lot of that stuff goes away once you start building personal confidence, moving your body, getting the endorphins, getting. Getting your chemicals in your brain working properly. It's important.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

I agree. I mean, it's like, proven scientifically. I will say this to actually go another direction. When I got my boobs done, I couldn't work out for. They said it was like four weeks and ended up being like, almost eight weeks because I had to. They had to, like, really car. It was my second surgery, so they had to really do some stuff. And I remember not moving for eight weeks of someone who's moved for so long. That was a moment in time where I had to actually meet myself in ways. Talking about mood disorders and depression, all the stuff I had to, like, really go within, which actually was a really great time for me. But I actually got to see that movement can be also an escape for people, that they don't actually face their things because they're going to go move in the gym and forget it and ignore it. Where I got to actually be like, movement is my favorite tool to meet myself. And also this time without movement has allowed me to actually, like, be there for me.

[Michael Bostick]

I think there's a little bit of a lie going on. Everyone's going to get so mad at me. So I have this theory that with surgeries, they. They tell you not to work out for six weeks.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah. Mine was long.

[Michael Bostick]

I don't believe it. And I'll. This is my own research that I've conducted on.

[Lauren Everts]

Believe it is. We've had doctors tell us after, like. Yeah, we have to say to cover us.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Reliability, really.

[Michael Bostick]

So. So I have had doctors tell me off air after I had my boobs done for the second time.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

I was like, I'm going to go to the gym after a week. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna move anything up here.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

I'm not gonna do chest squat.

[Michael Bostick]

And I. I'm gonna. I'm gonna lunge, and I'm going to sit, stretch, and I'm going to just get to the gym and walk. And so I did that after a week.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

Your lymphatic system gets going, so it's starting. All that anesthesia starts rushing through you quicker because you're moving. And I text the doctor and said, I just want to let you know I did this. And he goes, between you And I, you're 100% right. We have to, like, by some kind of law, they don't want liability. And people are like, when are you going to go back to the gym after you have a baby? Probably, to be honest. TikTok, light it up. After two weeks, I'm not gonna lift weights. I'm gonna sit there probably and just be at the gym. Maybe light stretching. I'm gonna walk.

[Sammy Clark]

I'm not needed.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah.

[Sammy Clark]

You know what you need? And I love you for saying this because I recently got my boobs done last year. I love that we all have this. And I was moving.

[Lauren Everts]

I've seen a lot of, like. I've seen a lot of things.

[Sammy Clark]

Michael, how about you?

[Michael Bostick]

He has all different kinds.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah, I Was moving within a couple of weeks. And I remember Sam being like, are you well? Like, are you sure you're well? And I just knew within my body, because of what I spoke to before, I'm so connected with my body. I knew I needed to go for a walk. I knew I needed just some, like, squats, some lower body action. And yeah, I definitely wasn't going to go chest press or do any chest stuff, but, like, there were things that my body was craving that I needed.

[Michael Bostick]

You. I think we've lost the art of listening to our intuition, right? And it's. It's the same with lifting while pregnant. So many people are like, are you lifting? Yeah, I'm lifting. How am I doing it? I'm listening to my body. Today I went to Ben to pick something up and it was too heavy and I stopped. Like, I just think there has to be some kind of internal compass that we rely on as opposed to, like, you can't do this. You can't. It's not one size fits all.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, it's not that. It's just like, humans are really good at taking the path of least resistance. So if we're told that we can take a break, we're going to lean into that break really heavily.

[Michael Bostick]

Sitting in bed does not make me feel good after surgery. In fact, it makes me feel depressed because their anesthesia, it's not moving. Yeah, think about it. You're not, like, getting it. I don't know.

[Lauren Everts]

It's why I hate it. There's this message all the time. Like, there was this weird period of time in the last few years. We all know the time I'm talking about where it's like, you had to love yourself unconditionally no matter what. Even if you were being a total piece of. And I couldn't, I can't. I hate that message. I'm like, why? Like, I have children, and if they're screwing around and lounging around and eating like shit and not taking care of this, I'm like, I'm not going to say love yourself. I'm going to say, you got to get.

[Michael Bostick]

Michael already pulls the wagon and runs it away from my kids and says, got to run for it.

[Sammy Clark]

Oh, my God.

[Michael Bostick]

They're two and four.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

They're in training.

[Lauren Everts]

We were talking earlier about how you went super heavy into it in the first year. And I was like, not even talking about fitness, but if one of my friends came to me in a business context and was saying, hey, I'm not getting the results I want financially, or with my business. Like, there's probably a crash course period of time. I'm like, you gotta be so out of balance and go like all in. And you're gonna be not getting a lot of sleep and you're gonna have to do a lot of shit that's really miserable. And you're not gonna have time with friends and family and girls and like, maybe just for a short period of time you gotta like shock yourself a bit and then over time you can ease off of that. But I do think it's good to kind of go all in in the beginning.

[Sammy Clark]

I agree. I feel like my fitness journey honestly showed me every way of how to show up in life. Because you need to try it all. You need to see what works for you. You need to be able to say, great for you, not for me. I know what works for me because I'm in touch with myself. And to not look at movement as a punishment too. I think that's where I was before. And it's a lot of what we talk about of really honoring the feeling because when movement's not a punishment, but it's actually this privilege of like, we get to do this, we get to feel really strong. I mean, what a gift it is to feel that feeling. And of course there's like those aesthetic drivers, but at the end of the day, I mean, that feeling for me is everything. It's everything.

[Lauren Everts]

There's an individual that Lauren and I will sometimes see at the gym and I really admire this person. He's struggling and he doesn't have full function of his legs right. And he's in the gym all the time. And whenever I see that, I'm like, that person would give anything to just have normal bodily function, to be able to do the workouts that we all dread so much. And when I see that, I'm like, it's inspiring because to your point, like, it's something that if you're an able bodied person, you take for granted sometimes, like, oh, this is something I have to do. And then there's people like that that would give anything to be able to do that. And like, I just think it's like helpful to have that kind of context because to your point, like, it's a privilege to be able to move that way and be healthy and have full function.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

And I would give a tip to anyone if they are starting out. The way you start to enjoy something is actually know how to do it, like educate yourself on actual good form. When you go to the gym and you get hurt or you actually like, mess it up. I feel like you don't enjoy it as much. But if you actually understand how to move your body and take that time to get good at it, it's going to take you for the rest of your life.

[Michael Bostick]

I agree with that.

[Lauren Everts]

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[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Your mouth tape.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah. Your mint roll.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Addicted.

[Sammy Clark]

I love.

[Michael Bostick]

I'm so happy you.

[Sammy Clark]

It's just a skinny confidential line.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

No, literally, I, I, it's just, like, a funny thing. But I, I didn't want to be like, okay, I did it for my jaw. At first I was like, I really want a jawline. But anyway, the mouth tape has changed my life, and I love it.

[Michael Bostick]

It works so well, right?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah, it's really good.

[Michael Bostick]

And I, I've been taking it and doing the, the hole over my upper lip to give myself a facelift while I sleep. So it's like, it's like pulling the face up because you don't want to put it on and pull the face down.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

But also just getting rid of the slit even, like, makes you, like, even breathe in deeper to your nose. Wow.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Okay.

[Michael Bostick]

Do you know what I mean?

[Sammy Clark]

So let's. I kind of love the hole, but I will do it.

[Lauren Everts]

Were you, like, a mouth breather before?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

I don't think I was a heavy mouth breather, to be honest. But I feel like just the difference I feel of the sleep I get. Even not being a mouth breather, I feel like it's been night and day.

[Michael Bostick]

You know what? There can be baby mouth breathers. You're a baby mouth breather. I catch you with. It's a small sliver of a mouth.

[Lauren Everts]

Lauren says I'm a millimeter off, which is why I have to have a.

[Michael Bostick]

Little bit of facial.

[Sammy Clark]

What do you do in that moment?

[Michael Bostick]

He should mouth tape. He doesn't listen to me well, but.

[Lauren Everts]

I need you to make one that fits on my beard.

[Michael Bostick]

It does fit on your beard. Put it on tonight. I'll just cover your mouth with my hand.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah, there you go.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, you gotta try it.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm telling you, since I'm a millimeter off, I can't shave this thing down or else.

[Michael Bostick]

No, don't shave that down. What are your things? Like, are you sauning? Are you cold, plunging? What are your things that you reach for all the time? Meditating. What are you doing?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

My absolute, without a doubt, is get outside. Like, even in the morning when it's 20 degrees here in Austin, like, putting your face in fresh air and just taking some breaths. I even will take it a Step further if I can and put my feet in my grass and just like literally feel the energy from the freaking ground that we all have for free. It is my favorite way to connect with nature, to connect with like God, spirits, whatever you believe in. I'm like, we are doing this day together. Nature. We are one. Like, let me be here with you. So that is like one of my absolutes. And then I love. This is my new thing too is meditating outside. If the weather is also good. So I'll put my headphones in. I actually recommend meditating with headphones in so no distractions are happening and like you're just zoned in. I have this really cute video of my dog literally meditating next to me while I was outside. It was iconic when I woke up, I mean when I opened my eyes and he was also meditating. But meditation for sure. Right now I'm doing a future self meditation. I'll change my meditations. I'll do it like consistent for a month or 60 days. But no matter what, I need to be with myself. Like, I need to have that time for me or else I will be a monster and I will not be my best self. So I have to, have to have to do that. I'm doing a future self meditation by Nikki Novo right now. And it's literally you meeting your future self. Could be five years from now, ten years from now. And the energy you feel from her, the one that is like so in her center, so in her body, it is angelic and you just feel her and you take it on and I feel like I'm like wearing her today and it's the best feeling. So I love doing my meditation. Another huge one that I've been doing is self check inside. So I'll set like four to six alarms. It seems extreme, but when you have a business and you're running all day, you can be like, I don't remember the day. So I have check ins that go throughout my day and it'll just be an alarm. And it literally says like, you are magic. And it has like a hug emoji. And I'll check in with my breath and I'll ask myself, okay on the nervous system, what? Like where are you at right now? Are you in sympathetic? Are you in dorsal? Are you in bagel? Like I asked myself, and I asked myself what number on the scale? And then I'll use a tool to help myself give back to regulation. It is one of my favorite things ever. It just allowed me to see how my body can go out of regulation, which is so normal. But how to bring it back?

[Michael Bostick]

I love that. I think the nervous system's gonna get some really good PR in the next couple years.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

I love the nervous system.

[Michael Bostick]

I love the nervous system. You know what is not good for my nervous system? Your alarm clock this morning that I will be turning off. Oh, my God. You want to set an alarm clock clock? You can go sleep in the other room. I wanted to talk to you about this.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Wait, what is it?

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah, what is it?

[Michael Bostick]

It's just I don't want an alarm clock.

[Lauren Everts]

I want to wake up. I sleep with my phone, like on airplane across the room. I have to get up and walk to it.

[Sammy Clark]

That's. Yeah, yeah, but like the classic alarm clock noise.

[Lauren Everts]

No, not the, like, gnarly one, but like.

[Michael Bostick]

No, he's not allowed to use that. It's the one. It's the. It's the bird time app that slowly wakes you up.

[Lauren Everts]

It's like a slow.

[Michael Bostick]

If you use that alarm clock that's serving papers by.

[Lauren Everts]

The one with like the sinking ship. Like, you know that one?

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, no, yeah, we're not doing that. But I honestly. Honestly, I think that, like, just waking up naturally would be a lot better.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, but I mean, okay, in the winter it's hard when it's so dark out because normally we wake up at the sun, but right now it's like.

[Sammy Clark]

Would you do the eight sleep? That vibrates to wake you up. Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

Wait, mine doesn't vibrate.

[Sammy Clark]

So you can set the alarm within it.

[Michael Bostick]

I would love to be vibrated away.

[Sammy Clark]

Right, Me too.

[Michael Bostick]

Vibrates you.

[Sammy Clark]

Yes, like a very subtle.

[Lauren Everts]

But I'll turn that on.

[Sammy Clark]

She's there.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah, it's gentle.

[Sammy Clark]

Turn that on.

[Michael Bostick]

You're not gonna get me the vibrator?

[Lauren Everts]

No, you have it. You have it.

[Michael Bostick]

You've never put that on.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, you don't have an alarm. You just wake up.

[Michael Bostick]

We've woken up being vibrated.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, because when I have to get up before the kids, like, if I can't get up, if. If I get up and they're going, and I'm just waking, it's a total mess.

[Sammy Clark]

So what time is that for you?

[Lauren Everts]

Like today I got up at 6:30.

[Michael Bostick]

So that's seven.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

And you wake up naturally. No alarm. You can just get up at 7 now. That's amazing.

[Michael Bostick]

No alarm. But don't do that when you have kids because guess what time I'm in bed?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Like nine or eight.

[Sammy Clark]

Oh my.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Oh, that's hot.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah, that is hot. We were just an 8, 8:30 language.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

But like asleep by time asleep.

[Michael Bostick]

Ideally 8:45.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Oh, yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Maybe 9:30.

[Michael Bostick]

Not for me. I'm. I'm asleep. I'm done. Show's over. What is in your wellness toolbox?

[Sammy Clark]

Yes. I feel like a recent one that I took from. I just did. I went to the Hoffman Institute.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, my God. People love.

[Sammy Clark]

A lot of people love that I am forever changed.

[Michael Bostick]

You really, seriously loved it? It's not like propaganda vibes.

[Sammy Clark]

Zero propaganda. It changed my life.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay, so tell us what? Yeah, I know you can't tell us everything, but you can't tell us because.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

I'm going into a lot of people this one.

[Sammy Clark]

Nobody said anything soon.

[Michael Bostick]

No, everyone said.

[Lauren Everts]

Everyone we know that's gone to it has said good things.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah, I think every human can benefit.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay.

[Sammy Clark]

I. I went in with a lot of intentions around healing my relationship with my mom who passed. But what I got out of it was so much more for myself. I truly came home to myself. I. I found tangible tools that I've also taken that I've used every single day. So I got home January 24th.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Okay.

[Sammy Clark]

It's been about a month. And my phone has not entered my bedroom. It stays downstairs on airplane mode. I haven't watched TV since I've gotten back. I've barely been on social media. Those things in itself make you feel so good. Oh, my gosh.

[Lauren Everts]

Did your husband go with it or.

[Sammy Clark]

No, he did not.

[Michael Bostick]

You can't go with it.

[Sammy Clark]

You're not allowed to know anything.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh, you're not?

[Sammy Clark]

Oh.

[Michael Bostick]

What are you gonna do if I go?

[Sammy Clark]

I know. Honestly, Andrew, what are you going to do? The language, like, into our marriage, so that he understands.

[Michael Bostick]

Oh, I'm sure he loves that. What's the language? Tell me what the language is.

[Sammy Clark]

So this is one thing. I need a little tip that you are going to love. So they do something called a quadrinity check. And I'm not going to give any of the magic because there's so much magic in the unknown for anyone who wants to go. But simply put, a quadrinity check that I do every single morning, you go through four things. It's your body, your intellect, your emotional self, which can also be your inner child and your spiritual self. So every single morning, my meditation goes through all four aspects of self. So we go through body, intellect, emotional self.

[Michael Bostick]

Like how you feel in each of those things?

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah, yeah. Like, what is your body trying to tell you right now? What is your intellect trying to tell you? My intellect gets in the fucking way Let me tell you that, like I have been so intellect driven for such a majority of my life, which I now know is me trying to find safety for myself from a very young age. And then my emotional self, this inner child, has been completely neglected and now all I want to do is anything inner child related. So, I mean, here in Austin, I go wake surfing as often as possible. I made Andrew go rollerblading with me recently. We do dance lessons, we do tennis lessons. Like anything where I can feel like a kid and just show up to have fun. Like that is the only goal.

[Michael Bostick]

Without the phone, which I love.

[Sammy Clark]

No phone. Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

So how long I went rollerblading right now. Oh my God. No, right now. Not right now. After I'm rolling like a ball down the.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I crush it on some rollerblades. I hate to say it's not the coolest thing to say.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

No, it's cool.

[Michael Bostick]

Wait, hold on. How do you, you said you apply this to your marriage. How do you apply this, this four part series?

[Lauren Everts]

Quickly, how long did you go to the place?

[Sammy Clark]

So it's a week. Yeah, you're there for a week. You are fully unplugged, which I've also never done and now every year I will be unplugging.

[Michael Bostick]

So. Yeah, so what, how do you apply it to your marriage?

[Sammy Clark]

I think, okay, first it's for self and I think that was such a big lesson that I took out of it was I'm not actually doing this for anyone but me now. And like that could sound selfish, but I think the better you are, the better your marriage is.

[Michael Bostick]

100% agree.

[Sammy Clark]

So I mean, Andrew is just reaping the benefits of me doing the damn work and I check in with myself on all those things every day and then I get excited about things that I bring into my marriage. But I would say for my marriage specifically, I'm way more present. I'm not bringing my baggage. I'm able to respond and not react as much.

[Lauren Everts]

That sounds pretty good. One, maybe you should.

[Michael Bostick]

I don't want to switch up my whole personality.

[Sammy Clark]

No, I know.

[Lauren Everts]

Honestly, Lauren, go for like two weeks, come back with.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah, it is, it's pretty hardcore. But I absolutely loved it. It changed me in the best ways. But I actually don't think it changed my personality. I think I'm just leading with a better part of myself that I had really pushed down. And I think because I was so intellect driven for so long, like I was success oriented, very career oriented. And when you do that, you're kind of putting your Spiritual self to the side and ignoring it versus allowing it to be what drives you and what allows you to make decisions.

[Michael Bostick]

This is interesting that you bring this up, and I want to talk more about this on the podcast. So I've noticed that a lot of women who are really driven, like you two, like me, entrepreneurial. There's almost like a resistance to feminine energy. And. And I've. I've heard a lot of women come on this podcast and be like, I'm delaying having kids. I'm delaying getting married because I'm so focused on my career. How are you both balancing that? Because I've. I've had a lot of different iterations in my own life with masculine and feminine energy.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah, well, I get to be a dad for form. Like, that's where I show up with that amount of energy. So when it comes to my marriage, my friendships, my home, like, I'm. I'm able to be extremely feminine, and I'm grateful for that. I'm able to. You lead with love. And, I mean, I definitely have a lot of love in my work, too, but there's a certain. There's a certain level of compassion that is so present at home and in my marriage. And I definitely did not put off getting married. I have traditional values, though. Like, I do. I wanted to get married as soon as I knew I wanted to get married. And I think my marriage has only allowed me to go that much further in my career because of the support. I'm excited to have kids soon. Like, that's definitely a chapter. I'm excited.

[Michael Bostick]

A lot of women are putting it off. I agree.

[Sammy Clark]

And, Lauren, honestly, I have been thinking to myself, like, I'd love. And I feel like we need to have a big conversation on this. Like, I'd love someone who shows me how to do it all, because I don't think there's enough examples out there of people actually showing you. Maybe it's not the balance, but, like, the proof of you can have both.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, I think you totally can. And I think that you can. You can pick and choose, like you just said, where you allocate your feminine and masculine. Yeah, I think it's like. It's almost like a strategy, sort of.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

Like, you can lean into one in a certain area.

[Lauren Everts]

I think it's like, not even about. Can have both. I think it's. Obviously, it's possible you can, but I also think that it's. You're all. Everyone's also up against biology and reality. And at some point, if you put it off for too long, you know, Then it's, you know, like, if you want to. If you want to have careful. But I think. I think more than people are getting mad, I think. I think Lauren and I realized, like, if we want to have multiple children, we had no choice, because we're not the youngest. We had no choice but to kind of do it all.

[Michael Bostick]

I just, for me, like, my building my. My tribe and my family is number one. And I think I don't talk about this enough on this show. It's number one. Like, don't get it twisted. Like, everyone's like, oh, you're a hustler. You're an entrepreneur. Of course that's part of my personality, but I'm a fucking octopus. I have tentacles, and one of my tentacles is entrepreneurship, but I have a lot of other tentacles, and the head is my. My infrastructure of my family. I just think that this conversation needs to be talked about more with really strong women, because I don't think it's being talked about enough. And I think women are like, I need to hustle. I need to be ambitious, and I'm gonna put that off until later.

[Lauren Everts]

Do you get What I'm saying is, like, I guess for us, we knew we wanted to have multiple kids, and, you know, we started in our early 30s, and for that to be possible, it's like we. There was no choice but to kind of do it all at the time with everything else. Like, it was just. It was not even. Like, it was just, like, got hit with reality.

[Michael Bostick]

It's not about balance. Like, you can do it simultaneously. What about you? What's your vibe on that?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah, I think this is. I. I don't know. How do I say this?

[Michael Bostick]

Say it. This is a show.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

No, I feel like I have a lot of, like, mixed energy around this. But first to the femininity. I think feminine and masculine actually get, like, this very. This rep that actually isn't true. I think feminine being creative is feminine. So I actually think you're in your feminine a lot, Lauren, as you are, because as much as you're ops, you're being a creative, like, you're creating creation as well. So I. I feel like we're more in our feminine, but we feel like this is masculine. So I think that they have actual different reps that are not true. And then I also think business gets a lot more attention and applaud than being a mom. So I think women go after the respect and wanting to be applauded, because I would say I get way more Wins for, hey, you're an entrepreneur. Look what you're doing with your business. Rather than, wow, you got married. That's incredible. Let's talk about that. It's like the business is the number one thing that I get rewarded for. So I feel like women chase that more because you get way more light and attraction. And I think if you are. If you are, like, I had to ask myself this. I think being an entrepreneur is easier. Even though being a mom and a wife is my number one thing, it was harder for me to go there because I had a lot of blocks and things I needed to work through. Marrying JT had me step into a lot of places I didn't want to go. I think being a businesswoman was an escape for me in a lot of beautiful ways. Marriage is always what I've wanted, but I've had to step into places that I didn't want to go. And I think women aren't ready for that. That's an opinion.

[Michael Bostick]

I totally. I think you're right. And I think that's why this conversation is so important to have. Because I think, you know, people are waiting and waiting and waiting and. And I. I just think it's important to talk about both sides.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

Because I've realized that, like, even with myself, the image that I've put out there is so entrepreneurial. Go, go, go. But there's a completely different side of me that I'm not posting because my phone's not up my asshole.

[Lauren Everts]

But we were literally just talking in the car the other day and obviously, like, now we've had two kids, another on the way, and we were both looking each other and the realization is, there is no perfect time. Like, it's like, it's just the time.

[Michael Bostick]

No, there's no perfect time.

[Lauren Everts]

We've always tried, like, Lauren and I plan things out.

[Michael Bostick]

You're like, fuck, I gotta go to the holidays with all these people and I'm pregnant. Or, fuck, it's summer and I don't want to go anywhere. I think people think that there's no right time.

[Lauren Everts]

They're arrive at this convenient time. And listen, I do think if you can pay your bills, obviously, and you're in a place where you have a little bit of financial stability, that's obviously helpful, you can afford help and all that. But. But in terms of timing and locking with career and all that, like, there is no perfect time. We have friends that are older than us that delayed and now their struggle is they have less energy and they gotta start to try to do the family and we have friends.

[Michael Bostick]

It's all hard at different ages. You're 21, you have a baby.

[Lauren Everts]

We have siblings that started really young. And that was a. Like, it's all hard. And I had a mentor of mine and I was telling him, like, I got this other kid on the way, and he's like, listen, Michael, you guys, whether you have a little money or a lot of money or a shitload of money, the kids take all the money. It doesn't matter. They're taking it all anyway.

[Michael Bostick]

So like, or the wife does.

[Lauren Everts]

I think, like, my big thing is, like, I have a more convenient time.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

I. I feel like a great question for the women especially. Listening that I had to ask myself again. I wanted a marriage. I want a family. Asking yourself, am I making this decision from fear or from love? If you are making the decision of not having a baby from fear, then that is something to look at. Because if you're making it from love of like, it really isn't the right time, like, where I'm at, understand? But if it's from fear of like, I need to focus my career, it needs all my time, I can't do this. I do think it's a moment for you to sit with it and being like, if this is actually what I want, I really can do it all from this place of love.

[Michael Bostick]

I think that's a great question. It also reframes it. It's like abundance and scarcity.

[Lauren Everts]

I mean, it's the most challenging thing in the world. And we've done hard things, but it's the most rewarding thing. And what I always remind myself for people that are fearful of. It's like, this has been done before for thousands and thousands of years with people that have much less. And I'm not talking about financial resources, but I'm just saying we live in a time where we have technology and medicine and resources and stability and safety and all like there back in the day, you were lucky if your kid made it past adolescence. Like, a lot of people had so many kids because the kids just wouldn't make it because of the conditions we lived in. So I don't know. I mean, like, yes, it's hard. Yes, it's challenging. Everyone's under different circumstances, but it is the most rewarding thing. And I think it's worth it to explore for everybody.

[Michael Bostick]

That was a little fun tangent. I loved it. You guys have both been really open about your challenges while you've been present online. What has that been like? And why did you Both decide to open up about any of the things you were experiencing or struggling with.

[Sammy Clark]

Mm. I mean, my gut punch on that was it accidentally happened to me. I started kind of showing, you know, oh, wait, had this journey with weight loss, and, oh, my mom died suddenly. Oh. I mean, whatever it was, it was kind of just like something I blurted out because it is my story. And then people wanted more, and then people wanted more, and then people wanted a lot more. And I think for me, I have so many passions in life, but I have found such a purpose in making people not feel alone in their hardest moments and in their hardest days. And the fact that people can now look at me, whether it's from my weight loss journey or through my grief, and see the face of someone who did it and see what's possible for them, because I never even thought this was possible for myself. That, to me, keeps me going. And that, to me, is the answer to say yes to, you know, speak about it on a podcast or to try to make a reel that gives, like, a little bit of that feeling. And, yeah, I would say I do it for the collective. Like, I. I want people to feel seen. I want people to feel loved, and I want everyone to know that whatever they desire in this life is possible. I feel like I'm kind of the girl who has had to earn it a little bit more. Like, I've always had to go the extra step. I'm almost walking through life with, like, ankle weights on. Like, it hasn't always been easy, but I've learned the grit that's allowed me to live the life that I do. And you know what? I am running my dream company alongside my best friend. I am in a marriage that is the happiest, healthiest thing I could not love. I know Andrew loves you, Lauren.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

On YouTube.

[Sammy Clark]

I feel like you guys really hit it off at Dear Media irl. Just like every facet of my life has really, really benefited from me doing the work. And I just want everyone to look at myself and see what's possible for them.

[Michael Bostick]

Why did you decide to open up about your. Your mom specifically? And how are you handling the grief? Has Hoffman really helped with that?

[Sammy Clark]

Hoffman definitely helped with it, and, you know, that was my number one intention of going in, but I got so much more for myself out of that. I think Hoffman helped me find compassion for my mom. My mom was an alcoholic, and my entire childhood, I was. I was asking her, like, why, why, why, why, why? Like, why can't you just, like, be like the normal moms? Like, why? Why are you showing up this way? And it was really difficult. And she died from the reason that I always thought she would. And that was a really harsh reality check for me two years ago. And it was really hard for me to find combat, compassion for me to accept that, for me to be able to do those things, to forgive her. And I realized when I started talking about my mom that it was healing. It was really healing. And, you know, before she died, I wouldn't even tell people she was an alcoholic. Like, it was something that I felt was hers to share, and I didn't want to speak poorly on her name. And you know what? It's actually a part of my story, too. And I'm not alone in that. There's a lot of people who struggle. And the more I talk about it, the more I deeply heal and I can own it in a way that becomes this tangible thing that pushes me forward and projects me into exactly where I know I want to go versus what's holding me back from doing everything I want to do.

[Michael Bostick]

I think you become like a real adult when you start to have empathy and compassion for your parents and their childhood and what they went through and their experience. And then you, then you become a parent, and then you're like, oh, wait, this is really hard. I can understand why this could have happened.

[Sammy Clark]

And I needed to do that before I brought life into this world. And I've known that, like a lot of people, I've been married, you know, it's almost two years now. My mom died three and a half months before my wedding. So it's a similar timeline. I have had really direct and open conversations with Andrew of I need to heal this within me before I bring a human life into this world. And I'm so grateful that I get to sit here and say, I fucking did it. And yeah, I mean, my mom was once also just a kid trying to figure it out.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Sammy Clark]

And I can hold so much compassion for her, so much acceptance, and I fully forgive her for everything that I had to deal with based on what her life amounted to.

[Michael Bostick]

Do you? I, I, I. The audience is gonna get mad. Cause I say this because it's like my best tip. Do you consume Louise Hay? Cause a lot of the things, how.

[Sammy Clark]

To heal your life.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

It's a lot of, like, it's, it's.

[Sammy Clark]

That energy, you know, I've never actually read it. It's one of those. My favorite things, you know, when I read it, like five times. Because Melissa Woodhead also loves she Loves it. I. I mean, you two are such vision holders for me, and I feel like if you both love it, I need to read it. And it's something. You know, when something keeps repeating itself as a recommendation for you. So now I'll appreciate it.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, I think. I think you'll like it because a lot of the things your. Your pillars are very aligned with that.

[Lauren Everts]

She has one of the most soothing voices. If you guys like meditation.

[Michael Bostick]

Like, it's like, I turn on the meditation.

[Lauren Everts]

Michael's like.

[Sammy Clark]

I love that. That's everyone.

[Lauren Everts]

One of those vintage tape recorders I bought.

[Michael Bostick]

No, here's my theory. I bought. I haven't talked about this yet. I bought a tape recorder and a CD player because I don't want my phone by my bed, by my ear. I want it out of the bedroom, even on airplane mode, I want it away from me. So I got the tape.

[Lauren Everts]

A lot of people listen, like, what the hell is this?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Wait, they have tape?

[Michael Bostick]

The tape was found on ebay. Used.

[Sammy Clark]

Wait, I'm.

[Michael Bostick]

And I got the cd, too. And I listen to it every night. My kids love it. It's like, it's very relaxing. But that meditation, the evening one, is so amazing. And it talks about your parents. Oh, you would like it.

[Sammy Clark]

Okay, go.

[Michael Bostick]

Everyone go by. Well, there. You better go fast.

[Lauren Everts]

CD books.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

You had the giant cd.

[Sammy Clark]

I miss it. I still have my families.

[Lauren Everts]

And you burn them off the computer.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

And they're like, put yourself.

[Michael Bostick]

That was like, how you, like, tried to, like, hook up with me.

[Lauren Everts]

I made you CDs.

[Sammy Clark]

Would you make her a mixtape?

[Michael Bostick]

You would make me CDs. You had a newfound glory, like, all the songs, like, you wrote out. Which. Which one, like, yeah, makes.

[Lauren Everts]

That's what you had. There was no, like, making a playlist and say, back in the day, you had to, like, find the high school.

[Sammy Clark]

When I got in your car, you.

[Michael Bostick]

Were like, don't sit on my CDs. And there was, like, a huge Trapper keeper of your CDs. And then you were, like, trying to show off, and I was like, I don't know.

[Lauren Everts]

I remember back in the day, you went and bought DVDs, and you were real fancy if you had the no Skip CD player.

[Sammy Clark]

Remember Blockbuster?

[Michael Bostick]

Of course. What about you, Sammy? How have you decided to open up about challenges, struggles on social media?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

So I've been in this game for 10 years. So when I think about when I first started, it felt very natural for me, like, intuitive. I just felt like I really did want to. I don't Know, I felt like I was FaceTiming a friend when I started posting on stories and Instagram. Like, I really did. I did not have the moment of, like, I don't. I care what my friends think. Like, I just was really connecting online with the girls. Even if it was like, five girls talking back to me, I really felt seen. And in la, you can kind of feel a little alone. And I felt like I was connecting to people. So from the beginning, I felt intuitively like I wanted to be really sharing and be really true. I had a really intense skin journey. I struggled with acne for six years, and, like, intense cystic acne. And this is when I was the most in front of a camera. So I was, you know, filming YouTube videos, and it was just straight face of acne. And that was probably my most vulnerable time to try and hide that. And instead I had to choose to show that. So it felt like it almost was happening again for me of, like, are you ready to share this thing that so many girls struggle with? And every time I shared a part of me, I just felt so much closer to humanity. I'm like, this is why I am here. I'm here to connect. And ever since then, I feel like there's days, like, I'll say right now, there's things that I'm processing in my life, like, deep, deep, deep work that I'm going through. I think it's because I'm wanting to be a mom. And I think there's a lot that's like. I think my babies are like, all right, can you just do this? And then we're ready to come in. And the work that I'm doing right now, I keep telling people, like, I also now, as an adult, know I need to feel safe in my body to share it. So I haven't shared everything that I've been working through. That's like adult me, knowing that that's really smart for me to do. Because I have shared a lot in the past that I did feel like wasn't ready to be shared. And it felt like people were involved in my life in a way that wasn't actually familiar. What do you mean? Just, like, personal things that I'm going through. Like, if I'm going through a dark time and I, like, share, like, hey, I'm really struggling, and, like, talk about it. The comments or the people saying, like, assuming what they think it is, it wasn't actually a place for me to put that out there because it wasn't safe for me because I was consuming what everyone thought or I was consuming a conflicting space that it wasn't smart for me to share.

[Lauren Everts]

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[Michael Bostick]

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[Sammy Clark]

Mental health problem, problems in the relationship.

[Michael Bostick]

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[Lauren Everts]

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[Michael Bostick]

Do you know what I am wearing on my skin right now? I am wearing the Caffeinated Sunscreen by the Skinny Confidential. I created this sunscreen so it tightens the face with the caffeine and gives you a little tint, a natural tint. And I'm so excited because we are doing an anniversary sale. The sale is April 22nd to the 25th and the sunscreen is obviously on sale. So the discount that we're doing is 30% off, which we barely ever do. And what's exciting about this is not only can you grab the sunscreen that I'm wearing that is absolutely amazing under makeup, it doesn't pile or anything, it just lays so nice and gives you like a tight glow. I apply mine with a beauty blender. But you can also get our tools. You can get the dry brush, you can get the body sculptor. That's my secret weapon for pregnancy, cellulite. So here's the exciting thing. When you order a tool, you get a free. This is like we've never done this. A free full size depuffing oil. And this is the oil that I use for my fascia facial massage that you see me do on Instagram. So if I were to like tell you what to get, I would say definitely get the sunscreen because like, I Said it's going to give you a really pretty glow under makeup. I wear it all the time though without makeup up. And then if you're going to grab a tool I would get the mint roller or the ice roller if you haven't tried it. And by far the body tool to grab is the dry brush that I have been using my entire pregnancy. You will notice a difference right away. It's one of those tools that you use and you immediately feel refreshed. So how I use the dry brush if you want to know for the anniversary sale 30 off you got to grab it is what I do is I do the dry brush on my entire body. I'll do it for three minutes and then I get in a freezing cold shower and when I get out of the shower I'll put body oil all over me like a good osea or a pellet cure body oil, even agent natur. And then I'll use the body sculptor to get in there to break up cellulite and just get my lymphatic system really activated. This is like my ride or die way that I shower in the morning because I have kids and I gotta be quick, quick and I want to feel refreshed and rejuvenated. So go shop the anniversary sale. Get everything you can get birthday presents. This is the time 30% off automatic. You don't need a code. It's site wide. And like I said, when you buy any tool you get a free full sized de puffing oil. Go to shopskinnyconfidential.com for 30% off April 22nd through the 25th. I feel like we all have to look at social media like the circus. Like I agree, we're the circus clowns performing. And then there's like people throwing popcorn and there's people telling you to get the off. Then there's people cheering and then there's like the little girl who's really sweet and it's just like an audience of the circus. And you just have to like understand that that's the audience that that social media is. You're gonna all different kinds of personalities.

[Lauren Everts]

It's important to step out of it. Like I, you know what we do and working with the people we work with and talking to the people we talk to. You cross a lot of paths with some people that start to think that like that's the reality. You see this all the time in the news. Like people that watch the news all the time they think like that's the normal world. I'm like well Just go outside and I guarantee you someone's not gonna scream in your face. I mean, maybe once in a while. Yeah.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

No, it's so true.

[Lauren Everts]

You know, like, you start to believe that that's the reality and you lose context of, like, the actual real world.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

And if you, You. If you, you know, like, Lauren and I put a lot out there, but we're actually, like, very private with the most important things, like our family life, our relationship, like, personal things with our.

[Michael Bostick]

I feel like you guys are like that too.

[Lauren Everts]

You know what I mean? Like, yeah, but sometimes people think, like, they need.

[Sammy Clark]

It's.

[Lauren Everts]

They need to share every single aspect. I don't think.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

See, that's what I learned. I think in the beginning, I was sharing my butthole. Like, I was like. I was like, let's just share it all.

[Lauren Everts]

Pull that up.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Not actually my butthole.

[Michael Bostick]

Where is your butt?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Pull up the clip. But meeting I just was like, I would pull up that camera like it was facetime with my girlfriend, which I think is where I got this crazy community. And there was just a point where I was like, there is time for privacy and time for me to actually separate that a little bit. And I think that got a little blurred.

[Michael Bostick]

That's okay, though. You. You can pivot your relationship.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yes. 10 years old.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, that's.

[Sammy Clark]

It's.

[Michael Bostick]

It's a process. Can you imagine being like, 13? I don't know if I, I mean.

[Lauren Everts]

I mean, we were talking to somebody.

[Michael Bostick]

They literally would have seen my butthole.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

I mean.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, actually we were talking to.

[Lauren Everts]

To someone live all day long the other day. And it was like a prominent creator and personality. And they were explaining this thing to me about tick tock and then. And like, how tick tock matter. And listen, I'm sure it matters and it's important. It's a tool and all that, but at the same time, I was like, looking around like, I don't care at all about what anyone on Tik Tok saying or think. I don't ever go on there and read. And so. But the point is, is it's not that one way is better than the other, but, like, her whole world is based on what is going on on Tik Tok. And then I'm like, well, there's this whole other world that's, like, not paying attention to anything that's going on there. And, like, you can be in both.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

You know, I mean, but if you start. If you, if you start to believe that that's the total reality that you live in. I Think that could be very dangerous for people.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

I could not agree more. I feel like in la I feel this. I'm in a bubble. And then you go outside the bubble and you're like, like, oh, there's. There is a whole other planet. And it grounds me so much to be like, you need to step outside of that bubble to come back to actually what really is in the social media reality.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. One of the most self aware, shocking things to me was, you know, we moved here during COVID Some people like that, some people didn't. Half the company, as you know, is still in LA or an office. You know, a lot of people and half is here. And I felt like I lived in two different worlds because I would go back and forth and I'm not commenting on one or the other, but it was just so different. But you, you would have. It was like the people that were there had a total blind spot to what was going on here. And the people here had a total blind spot was going on there. It just gave me this context of like, oh, if you're not. If you don't step outside of your bubbles.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

So true.

[Lauren Everts]

You can be totally blind to huge parts of the world. And I think that's like the danger with social media is a lot of people are like, they're. They get so focused on what's going on online that they forget, like, we live primarily offline.

[Michael Bostick]

I'm going to play this clip when I send you my link to Budapest.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't know what you're talking about.

[Michael Bostick]

I want to go to Budapest. And you were like, I don't know if we're going to be going to Budapest anytime soon. That's what you said to me.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm pretty sure we're not.

[Michael Bostick]

So I need to step out of Austin.

[Sammy Clark]

Right. We got to shift the perspective.

[Michael Bostick]

And I need to go to Budapest.

[Lauren Everts]

Where is Budapest?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

No idea.

[Michael Bostick]

This looks amazing though.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Consider. I feel like I don't know much.

[Michael Bostick]

You just said step out of your bubble, let's go to Budapest.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I'm saying you could like step out of your bubble and like maybe take like an hour flight instead of.

[Michael Bostick]

A. I want to go to Budapest.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Can't wait.

[Michael Bostick]

What do you guys think makes a high performer and how do you apply that to your own life?

[Sammy Clark]

A high performer? I think. Do you guys do any like personality test stuff like Enneagram, Myers Briggs?

[Michael Bostick]

No. You got it. We've done it. I feel like we need like a reason.

[Sammy Clark]

My Enneagram is literally the Achiever Type 3.

[Michael Bostick]

I would pick that for you, though. Yeah.

[Sammy Clark]

Like, I think a lot of this is just innate, and I think when you figure out who you are and then you set yourself up for success within how you were brought into this world instead of trying to play into a role that's not fit for you, I think Sammy and I are experts at doing what we're good at, and that's where we are able to be high performers.

[Michael Bostick]

That's a very, very, very good tip, what you just said.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

We're different high performers. When you look at us, she is the achiever. I would not get that at all. She's so type A. When I think of performer, I think of someone that you think of, like Sam. And when I think of myself, I'm a high performer, but I'm like. When I think of a high performer, I'm, like, creative and way different than a spreadsheet or even as disciplined in areas that you are. We're very different in how we're disciplined.

[Lauren Everts]

But.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

But you're a high performer in the way that you're true to yourself. So as long as you're true to yourself, I think you're, like, the highest performer.

[Michael Bostick]

Someone showed me a spreadsheet before this, and I was like, ah.

[Sammy Clark]

I was like, what? I'm like, no, see, I go in.

[Michael Bostick]

There and I'm like, show me Instagram. Show me, like, show me, like, the girl. I. I need to see it. It's. It's so, like, not the way.

[Sammy Clark]

You know what's interesting, though? I think I got so caught up in being the spreadsheet girl that I didn't actually allow my spirit to shine.

[Michael Bostick]

Well, you need to get rid of those spreadsheets and let your spirit shine.

[Sammy Clark]

I want my spirit to shine once in a while.

[Lauren Everts]

You need a spreadsheet once in a while.

[Sammy Clark]

I do agree. Like, I think I. My comfort zone is spreadsheets because I'm good at them. But what challenges me is actually stepping into a lane where I can speak my truth and I can share my own story. That's not normal for me. Like, I. I was raised to kind of just like, yeah, achieve, perform, and do as I'm told. And now I'm finding a lot of joy and a lot of passion and purpose in speaking my truth in ways that haven't really been that role that I've just been playing this whole time.

[Michael Bostick]

I think, to your point, the advice I would give entrepreneurs is that use what you're good at and what you feel good at as a child to get to get you to where you want to be, but know when it's time to change. Meaning, like. Like, for me, it was saying yes to everything for like eight years. That was like my go to. And then at eight years, it switched and I had to say no. And I don't, I don't, you know, yours. It sounds like it's like you're. You're an achiever in the spreadsheets and this. But also know when it's time to change to uplevel. Does that make sense?

[Sammy Clark]

Absolutely.

[Michael Bostick]

You have to, like, almost have a pivot.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

I think that's actually some of the best advice. Because changing your mind can feel so wrong. Or feel like if you said, this is me, you put yourself in this identity, and then through a business, let's say you actually want to pivot and you want to change. It can feel so uncomfortable and it can feel so wrong, but really, that is like, where the true growth is. So I think if you can go in, if you want to be a high performer of, like, I want to be wrong. I want to change my mind. I want to change my mind like four times in a week. Like, I also think this, like, chain to it has to be, you know, the exact same or exactly what I said. Like, I feel like we live in a world where we should beautifully be changing our mind constantly. Like, if I said something on this podcast today, I would love if tomorrow I actually had a different opinion on it.

[Michael Bostick]

It's not that revolutionary, but for some reason, like, people hold you to it. People will be like, well, you said in 2010 on your blog, I'm like, I have changed and evolved and I've changed my mind. And that's okay. It's so staked to you.

[Lauren Everts]

But, you know, like, I think sometimes too, I was talking to a very, what would be considered creative friend of mine. Like, I'm talking, like, this guy can get lost in design and art and like a million things. Like, he's like a little like a modern day Picasso. But I was talking to him, he's like, he's like, yeah, just because I'm so creative doesn't mean I don't have a business mind. And he's been able to build fabulous business. And he was saying, like, what happens with a lot of quote unquote creatives is they tell themselves, oh, I'm a creative.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

And so they negate, like, all of the other stuff around the business, and they end up not ever being able to build anything for themselves as a career. And then on the Reverse of it is sometimes people that are more like, quote unquote, spreadsheet, focus. This was me for a while. You say I'm not creative, and then you kind of like, disable yourself from looking at creative. Like, what I think now, it's not the same kind of creativity as Lauren, but the way you're either able to weave businesses together or organizations or structure things, like, there's a creative art to that as well. But I think we do a good job of saying, like, I'm one of the other, and it. And it creates situations where sometimes then people limit their potential.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Sammy Clark]

We're not meant to live in a box. We're not meant to live in a box. And I think anything that feels authentic to you, run with it and change when you need to. But at least give it a try.

[Michael Bostick]

We're gonna do rapid fire questions. What is your go to coffee order?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Oat cappuccino.

[Michael Bostick]

What kind of milk?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Oat milk. Oat milk cappuccino. I love whole milk, but only cold.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

It heated up, like, kind of tastes weird to me.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

So I know oat milk's getting a bad rep. I mean, if I could get homemade cashew milk milk done. But when I go to a place, it's a cappuccino without milk girl.

[Michael Bostick]

If I could have a cow, like, squirt it into my coffee, that would.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Be literally my dream.

[Michael Bostick]

I know.

[Sammy Clark]

So I'm a raw milk girly. So I. But when I'm out, I'll do whole milk and I'll do matcha with a lot of cinnamon.

[Michael Bostick]

No coffee.

[Sammy Clark]

I'll do coffee when I. I prefer matcha when I'm out.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay. A lot of cinnamon and what?

[Sammy Clark]

And then a little honey if it's like a treat.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

What is some. Sorry. Michael, go to sleep for a minute. What do you guys think?

[Lauren Everts]

I actually just went to sleep.

[Michael Bostick]

He's like, go to the bathroom.

[Lauren Everts]

What if I just, like, laid down?

[Michael Bostick]

I was like, I'm actually fine with it.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

If you guys don't.

[Michael Bostick]

What are you guys both eating in a day? What's a day of eating? Walk us through that.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

You go, chicken girl.

[Sammy Clark]

Okay. I. Yeah. If I were a food, I'd be a rotisserie chicken. I eat so much chicken. Chicken, like, so much.

[Michael Bostick]

A rotisserie chicken.

[Sammy Clark]

I love rotisserie.

[Michael Bostick]

It's a great weight loss tip, too.

[Sammy Clark]

Oh, it's amazing. And I go to Whole Foods, and I get the pulled rotisserie chicken that just has salt and pepper, a little bit of Salt, little pepper.

[Lauren Everts]

Already pulled off all the bones.

[Sammy Clark]

It's already pulled off. I eat about five pounds a week because I make my order per week. I love it just in a bowl. Sometimes I'll throw in some veggies, Sometimes I don't. I love chicken.

[Michael Bostick]

So you'll eat chicken all day? Like, even for breakfast? I am all day.

[Sammy Clark]

Okay. Okay, let's start.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Sammy Clark]

Typically, I'm intermittent fasting. If I'm in luteal or depending on my phase, I will have breakfast. If I'm having breakfast, it's either a protein shake or eggs. I'm protein, protein, protein.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay.

[Sammy Clark]

Overall, I'm low carb, high protein.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay.

[Sammy Clark]

Lunch is a ton of chicken.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay. I gotta go try this chicken.

[Sammy Clark]

Just get the chicken with really good olive oil too.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay.

[Sammy Clark]

And then if I'm not gonna add olive oil, add, like, a little raw cheese and some avocado. I want some healthy fats in there. I crave it. It's all I want.

[Michael Bostick]

Your skin. You can tell. You eat healthy fat.

[Sammy Clark]

Thank you.

[Michael Bostick]

And the first thing I noticed.

[Sammy Clark]

So dinner is where I get to have fun. And Andrew. If Andrew didn't run a business, he'd be a chef. So I lucked out. He makes me the most gourmet meals. Whatever I'm craving.

[Lauren Everts]

Skip over this part.

[Sammy Clark]

Whatever I'm craving. Michael, listen up.

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah, Michael, take a little nap.

[Sammy Clark]

You will literally ask me, like, what flavors. I mean, Sam had dinner with us last night. He was like, what flavors do you want tonight? And we're, like, Mediterranean. Okay. We come home to beautiful chicken, a full chopped Greek salad, and, like, a protein pasta on the side.

[Michael Bostick]

Oh, my God.

[Sammy Clark]

So dinner's where I become a queen. And Andrew is the chef that I love.

[Lauren Everts]

Can't have it all. Lauren.

[Sammy Clark]

You guys can come over and you can experience what?

[Lauren Everts]

I don't think I will now. It's gonna make me look bad. So now I'm not. I'm not coming over.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

It's okay. J.T. doesn't try. J.T. okay. Breakfast is my favorite meal. I wake up starving, so I'm like, I wake up. Do you really?

[Michael Bostick]

Yeah.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah. I wake up so hungry. Bone broth first. If I could make my own, I would, but too much time. Maybe one day. So I like. I think it's called bear method or bear something. And it's a powder, and you just put it with hot water. It has the best flavor. I feel like kettle fire was a little too weak for me. So that's my favorite bone broth. I'll drink that first. And then I will have. If I'm gonna go do a workout, then I will just have like a banana and a scoop of nut butter. That's like my pre workout energy. But if I'm not working out first thing, then I will either have like eight eggs with some cheese. A little bit. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

That's a good. That's a good egg order. They just said high cholesterol is actually going to be a good thing. Japanese study came out.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Wow.

[Lauren Everts]

I eat a lot of eggs too.

[Sammy Clark]

So I love eggs.

[Michael Bostick]

With what?

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

I'll do it with cheese. Like a little bit of cheese. I'm now back in dairy. I actually haven't had dairy in a long time, but this year we're bringing her back. Back. And then a half of avocado. And then sometimes I'll have bread if I'm going to do a really hard workout. So I'm training for a marathon right now, the New York marathon. So it's my first marathon, so I'm actually having to eat a lot more. So this is still like kind of my normal, but I feel like I'm getting more protein right now and more carbs because I'm so hungry.

[Lauren Everts]

I thought I was pushing it with six eggs. Eight eggs is. That's impressive.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Oh, yeah. I mean, JT's at like 10 to 13. I'm like chefing it up. Yeah, we have just like a bowl of eggs and it's not cute, but.

[Michael Bostick]

You need a chicken.

[Lauren Everts]

Man, you guys are rich. Egg prices are up these days.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Actually, la having like an out of stock of. Yeah. Oh, is it everywhere?

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, yeah, it's a thing.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Oh, I didn't know. Listen, this is a place of privilege.

[Lauren Everts]

People are going to come at you for how many eggs?

[Michael Bostick]

I mean, let them.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah, let them.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

And then let me keep cooking them. And then for a snack, I'll have like a chomp stick, a Greek yogurt with frozen blueberries. The almond butter from. Or peanut butter from. I think it's called cocoa. Gosh, it's blue. It's like cocoa butter. It is. Is unbelievable. They put cinnamon maple syrup in it. It is to die for. So I'll drizzle that. And when you're. When your blueberries are frozen, it gets hard. So the nut butter gets like really hard on it.

[Sammy Clark]

Now it's sexual.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Sorry, but that is like. So you guys are married.

[Michael Bostick]

I have a lot of guys to introduce you to. Go ahead.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

So far I've said butthole.

[Lauren Everts]

You're going to choose. That's cooking Mediterranean salad.

[Sammy Clark]

Just listen to Sam talk about Greek yogurt drizzled in hard nut butter.

[Lauren Everts]

You don't have one guy that's doing what Andrew's doing.

[Michael Bostick]

I have a couple guys that make cookies.

[Lauren Everts]

None of our dusty friends are doing that.

[Sammy Clark]

Can make pancakes.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Okay. And then for lunch, I like so easy. So I'll meal prep on Sunday. Usually I love an easy bowl. Sam actually told me the rotisserie chicken trick. So I'll literally just take that. Put cucumber, tomato salad with avocado and a little bit of rice. Again, I love carbs. I'll drizzle olive oil on it. It. I've always been a carbs girl, so that's something that I know about myself. It gives me so much energy. And then lots of protein. And then another snack I'll have is usually apples and peanut butter. Apples and almond butter. And then for dinner, I'll do either like a one pot. I'm like, I actually don't love cooking, so I'm not like Andrew. And JT doesn't really love it either. So I try to do like a one pot dish. So either like a chili, a stew, a soup, something like that. So my steak soup's my favorite favorite. It's so easy. Or my chili. And then for dessert, I'll have like a Hue kitchen bar or these protein bowls that we make.

[Michael Bostick]

I'm assuming a lot of these things are on you guys app too, right? Yeah.

[Sammy Clark]

So form has all nutrition too.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

If our audience was to start with one form workout. Leave us with that. And maybe I didn't even ask you this, but maybe we can do a code.

[Sammy Clark]

Yeah.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

You're gonna say you could show us?

[Michael Bostick]

I was like, sure you don't want me to just show you right now?

[Sammy Clark]

Do have prenatal, postnatal, and a deep pelvic floor.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay, I'll look at that. Yeah, I'm keling every second.

[Sammy Clark]

Oh, you.

[Michael Bostick]

You got a kegel after three hits.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Yeah, that's what Kayn says to our. Our trainer.

[Michael Bostick]

Which workout would you start with? And maybe you can give a code to the audience.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Definitely have a code. I feel like workout we can start with. We have strength or pilates. So I feel like we also have literally halfway through is strength or pilates. But I would. I would recommend a strength workout specific one. We have a beginner section or like a start here section. But to be honest, something I pride myself in as a trainer is I want everyone to feel included. So my mom throughout Covid, she's 62 years old, she was doing the workouts right next to me. So I was modifying throughout the entire workout. Like I'm giving the advanced and I'm also giving the modifications. So I love for everyone to be able to join in. So I really think you can step into any workout unless it says like advanced on it. It really is for all levels.

[Michael Bostick]

Okay.

[Sammy Clark]

I would say my favorites are 28 minute upper body superset. I'm an upper body girl, which I think is not everyone's favorite. I love the way it feels to lift heavy on my upper body. That is my go to. I probably do it once a week even though we have hundreds if not a thousand workouts.

[Michael Bostick]

You like that one?

[Sammy Clark]

I. I keep going back to her. I really love her. And I mean this one knows but overall I think like what we hear from the entire form community is that one, it feels amazing. Two, to be a part of the community is everything. To have that support. And then also you can get a really effective workout in at home in 30 minutes or less. And before form, I was someone who was trying any and every workout and fell in love with Sammy and her method. And we now have have multiple trainers, multiple types of programming. We do gym programming now. We have prenatal, postnatal. Like we do the works. But to actually crush a workout at home and feel even better than a workout you do in person, I feel like people don't come by that anymore.

[Michael Bostick]

I think it's great. It's also like time, time, time.

[Sammy Clark]

You don't have to go anywhere. It's 30 minutes or less. Code skinny.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

Code skinny.

[Michael Bostick]

Join form.com yes.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

They get 20 30, right? Yeah.

[Sammy Clark]

So skinny is 20 off annual or skinny 30 if you want a free month depending on.

[Michael Bostick]

So you guys can use code [e-mail] for 20 off an annual membership or code skinny30 for a month for re. That is so nice of a monthly membership. Where can everyone find you guys? Tell us about your podcast. Leave us with where to ask you. Dms.

[Sammy Clark]

This was so fun. You can find me at Sammy Spalter and then forms at form our podcast with your minas at Transformation and then.

[Sammy Bernstein Spatler]

You can find me across the board at Sammy Clark. And this was so awesome. Thank you guys for having us.

[Michael Bostick]

Thanks for coming. That was a whirlwind. We went everywhere.