Teri Hatcher On Reinvention, Resilience, Hollywood, & Living With Grace Through Every Chapter Of Life

Summary

The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show: Teri Hatcher on Reinvention, Resilience, Hollywood & Living With Grace Through Every Chapter of Life

Episode Date: October 27, 2025
Hosts: Lauryn Bosstick, Michael Bosstick
Guest: Teri Hatcher

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Episode Overview

In this rich and candid conversation, Teri Hatcher—iconic for her roles as Susan Mayer on Desperate Housewives, Lois Lane in Lois & Clark, and memorable turns on Seinfeld and as a Bond girl—joins Lauryn and Michael to discuss the through-lines of her life: resilience, reinvention, authenticity, and gracefully navigating aging. Teri opens up about imposter syndrome despite huge successes, the realities of Hollywood for women, caregiving for aging parents, social media’s impact, and her current pursuits in podcasting and content creation. She shares actionable insights, comedic moments, and personal stories to which anyone navigating personal or career transition can relate.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Career Beginnings, Serendipity, & Performing

• Cheerleading & Dance Roots (02:17–04:15):
  Teri describes her transition from math major planning to become a teacher, to serendipitously joining the Love Boat as a “Mermaid” after an audition she almost missed (thanks to her mom’s early morning call).

  • “If she hadn’t called me, I would be a math teacher at your local high school right now.” (05:17, Teri Hatcher)

• Legitimacy & Imposter Syndrome (07:40–09:18):
  Despite not attending acting conservatory, Teri constantly felt the need to “earn legitimacy” through works and recognition—confessing to ongoing imposter syndrome that surprises the hosts.

  • “Even now I still feel…like I wish I felt more qualified.” (07:59, Teri)
  • “No one would look at you and think that.” (08:21, Lauryn)

2. Hollywood, Aging, and Roles for Women (10:13–13:37)

• Changing Industry & Opportunities:
  Teri acknowledges more content platforms now, but notes there are still few great roles for older women, despite growing opportunities.

  • “I don’t think there’s a ton of great roles for women my age.” (10:44, Teri)

• Double Standards of Aging:
  She discusses how society—and especially Hollywood—treats aging women more harshly than men, using the example of men being deemed “Sexiest Man Alive” into their 60s.

  • “There’s always a harsher lens on women… I do think we’re chipping away at it… but it’s tough.” (11:50, Teri)
  • “Men don’t have that fork in the road to choose.” (13:11, Lauryn)

• On Cosmetic Procedures and Authenticity (13:37–15:48):
  Teri stresses that her quest for growth is internal—not about erasing wrinkles—and favors emotional, intellectual, and personal development over cosmetic changes, but remains nonjudgmental about others’ choices.

  • “My answer is not a facelift. My answer to myself is internal work.” (14:13, Teri)

3. Social Media, Comparisons, and Parenting (16:14–19:40)

• Truth & Transparency in Beauty Standards:
  • “If you’re famous and you lie, you’re sort of making the rest of us feel bad about ourselves… I guess I’m not drinking enough water.” (15:56, Teri)
• Social Media’s Impact on Mental Health:
  • Teri’s daughter deleted Instagram, and Teri highlights the importance of explaining to young people that social content is “like a movie set”—not real life.
  • “Instagram and TikTok are movie sets… it's produced and edited, just like a movie.” (17:46, Lauryn)

4. Iconic Roles and Career Highlights

Desperate Housewives & Nostalgia (20:40–25:25, 35:19–38:46)

• Teri discusses her pride in the comedic and physical performances required, like Susan’s naked bush scene, and reflects on the show’s ongoing resonance. She’s rewatching it with her real-life daughter and Andrea Bowen (her on-screen daughter) for their new “Desperately Devoted” podcast.
  • “I want people to be able to look at me on screen and be like, ‘That’s a real 60-year-old woman.’” (12:51, Teri)

Seinfeld (“They’re real and they’re spectacular”) (25:56–33:09)

• She was offered the role without auditioning; discusses the legacy of the “real and spectacular” line and its enduring place in pop culture.
  • “Honestly, I think ‘real and spectacular’ is gonna go on my tombstone.” (32:13, Teri)
  • Idea for merch: “Real & Spectacular” sweatshirts (33:30–34:02).

Hosting SNL (37:37–40:36)

• Teri loved the challenge and adventure of SNL after finishing a season of Lois & Clark—describes the whirlwind of sketches and the iconic people she worked with.
  • “It was really memorable and fun and challenging and crazy... these things have happened to me... they just feel like someone else.” (39:50, Teri)

Bond Girl Experience (41:29–43:41)

• She filmed while secretly pregnant, balancing a huge franchise with a transformative personal moment.
  • “It was kind of a weird for it being this quote unquote glamorous thing to be a Bond girl. I was just over there doing a piece of work—the last piece of work I was gonna do before I was a mother.” (42:34, Teri)

Coraline Voice Work (43:51–44:50)

• Teri expresses special pride in voicing both mothers in the film, praising the artistry and considering it one of her best works.

5. Reinvention, Caregiving & "Sandwiched" (45:25–53:09)

• Caregiving for Aging Parents:
  Teri shares poignant insights into caring for her parents (her father’s dementia diagnosis, moving them closer, daily responsibilities, and emotional boundaries).
  • “Every night I get in bed and I look at the ring camera… did they go to sleep? Did anybody fall down? … it’s some constant level of caregiving.” (45:56, Teri)
• Generational Shifts & Growth:
  She reflects on how her experience may shape her own aging and the examples she sets for her daughter.
  • “I am trying to continue to learn new things and not get settled in what is comfortable for me.” (53:34, Teri)
• Community & Sharing:
  Teri loves building community (her “Sandwiched” Instagram series combines making sandwiches with discussing the midlife experience), and jokes about being an enthusiastic oversharer in public.

6. Health, Aging, and Wellbeing (56:02–68:48)

• Mindset on Aging:
  Teri reframes aging as a blessing and sees her focus on mental, physical, and emotional wellness as essential.
  • “My whole thing is about trying to age well… that includes what I’m eating, how I’m exercising, what I’m doing with my brain.” (56:02, Teri)
• Exercise & Nutrition Strategies (64:27–68:48):
  • Works out with weights for strength; sprints; daily hill hikes for both fitness and meditation (birdwatching with Merlin app).
  • Diet: Protein and fiber focus; lots of eggs, cottage cheese, veggies, nuts, seeds; snacks on air-fried okra and chickpeas.
    • “I try to focus on what I can do, not what I look like. That’s a mental trick.” (64:27, Teri)

7. Parenting & Advice (70:29–73:47)

• Raising a Healthy-Minded Daughter:
  • Avoided tying emotions to food ("Here's some M&Ms. Nothing happened."), raised her daughter to have a healthy association with eating and body image.
  • “I tried to dissociate emotion from food.” (71:40, Teri)
• Academic Resilience:
  • Encouraged her daughter to not let a test define her worth or future potential.
  • “A test is only a reflection of what you knew in that hour. It’s not a reflection of your future success…” (72:28, Teri)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Luck & Early Career:
  “If she hadn’t called me, I’d be a math teacher at your local high school right now.” (05:17, Teri Hatcher)

• On Hollywood’s Double Standards:
  “There’s always a harsher lens on women.” (11:50, Teri)

• On Cosmetic “Secrets”:
  “When you’re famous and you lie, you’re sort of making the rest of us feel bad…” (15:56, Teri)

• On Aging Gracefully:
  “My answer to myself is internal work…” (14:13, Teri)

• On “Real and Spectacular”:
  “Honestly, I think ‘real and spectacular’ is gonna go on my tombstone.” (32:13, Teri)

• On Caregiving:
  “I am trying to put things in place that will keep you from being in a wheelchair.” (49:03, Teri)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Teri’s path from cheerleading to the Love Boat — 02:17–07:30
• Imposter syndrome & legitimacy in acting — 07:40–09:18
• The changing landscape for women in Hollywood — 10:13–13:37
• Beauty, cosmetic procedures, authenticity — 13:37–15:48
• Social media & the illusion of perfection — 16:14–19:19
• Desperate Housewives & the ‘naked bush’ scene — 20:40–22:42
• Seinfeld’s iconic “real and spectacular” role — 25:56–33:30
• Nostalgia and comfort TV — 34:25–35:19
• Hosting SNL, Broadway, and reinvention — 37:37–41:06
• Being a Bond girl while pregnant — 41:29–43:41
• Voice work in Coraline — 43:51–44:50
• Caregiving for parents & “Sandwiched” — 45:25–53:30
• Mindset on aging, health routines — 56:02–68:48
• Parenting philosophies — 70:29–73:47
• Signature closing & “Desperately Devoted” podcast info — 68:48–75:21

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Where to Find More

• Instagram: @officialterihatcher
• Podcast: "Desperately Devoted" (iHeartMedia, Apple, Spotify, etc.)
• Sandwiched Series: On Teri's Instagram — try the “tuna melt,” “egg sandwich,” or “meatball sub” recipes.

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Closing Note:
This episode is a masterclass in how to face each new chapter with humor, honesty, and an unflinching willingness to keep growing—no matter the industry or age. Teri Hatcher’s blend of gratitude and grounded wisdom makes for both relatable laughs and deep, actionable insight. Whether you’re a longtime fan or discovering her for the first time, her outlook and advice are truly “real and spectacular.”

Transcript

[Michael Bostic]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Lauren Everts]

Fantastic.

[Michael Bostic]

And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie. And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.

[Lauren Everts]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Michael Bostic]

Welcome to the Skinny Confidential. Him and her. Hello everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential him and her show. Today we're sitting down with the iconic Teri Hatcher. You know her as Susan Meyer from Desperate Housewives, the show that completely defined an era of television and became a cultural phenomenon. But Terry's story goes far beyond Wisteria Lane. From her early days as San Francisco 49ers cheerleader to becoming a Bond girl to starring in some of the most memorable shows in the 90s, 2000s and beyond, her career has been one long evolution of resilience, reinvention and authenticity. This was a great conversation with Terry. We really enjoyed getting to meet her. She is an open book. We went all over the place. We talked about life, we talked about aging gracefully, we talked about mindset, we talked about kids, we talked about how to stay successful. So many things with that. Terry Hatcher. Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. This is the Skinny Confidential.

[Lauren Everts]

Him and her.

[Michael Bostic]

So like I said. Well, first, welcome to the show.

[Teri Hatcher]

Thank you for having me, of course.

[Michael Bostic]

And I was, you know, we have a lot on you. One of the things that I thought. One of the things I thought was the most interesting from the old Google machine is that it says you are the wealthiest cheerleader.

[Teri Hatcher]

That is really funny. Gosh, what a crazy thing. Well, I doubt that's true because I'm sure some Dallas Cowboy cheerleader married a billionaire. I just am positive that that happened.

[Michael Bostic]

But like you, I think you on your own.

[Teri Hatcher]

On my own. Well, listen, I don't think of myself as that wealthy, although I'm certainly grateful for, for what life has brought me. But I'm definitely not flying in private planes and both of my cars or over 12 years old. But that's not for lack of. I just, you know, I don't buy things. I now I buy my parents two and a half million dollar houses. That's what I do. I mean that's a, that's what I do with my money that I got from cheerleading.

[Lauren Everts]

My dad. Don't, don't get any ideas, Daddy.

[Teri Hatcher]

That's what a house cost in Los Angeles. It's not even that great of a house.

[Lauren Everts]

Was that your first brush at performing with cheerleading?

[Teri Hatcher]

I guess, yes, it was. You know what? I would Back up just to bring it a little bit to Texas and my love of Tex, I could back up a little bit. And between graduating high school and being a 49er cheerleader, there was an organization called USA Spirit. That was a professional cheerleading camp thing for high school students. And I got hired as a teacher and I taught at Texas A and M during the summer. And I still remember the most giant roach I've ever interacted with in my life. Crawled on my foot while I was in the dorm room teaching camp in Lubbock. But it's also where I learned to two step and all two step on that roach.

[Lauren Everts]

The roaches here are too big.

[Teri Hatcher]

What is going on?

[Michael Bostic]

You could ride the roaches here.

[Teri Hatcher]

You can ride the roaches. But that, that was my first sort of dancing job, but it wasn't performative. My first performative real job, I guess, was as a 49er cheerleader. And then I went on to the Love Boat.

[Lauren Everts]

So were you naturally just good at it?

[Teri Hatcher]

Well, I was a dancer. I mean, I, I, I never did. I mean, I. That's so true. I never did sports. I was, I was always trying to be a dad. Daddy's girl, dad pleaser. So I did weird things like golf, bowling, pool, like anything with an angle.

[Michael Bostic]

Tomboy stuff.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah, anything with an angle or. Yeah, and tomboy stuff. But I never did, like, soccer or softball or any of that. And then I went to dance class. And so I started off as a ballerina. I think I figured out by the time I was about 14 that I was never gonna be a great ballerina. I was. And, but, you know, it serviced my ability to do choreography and dance. And then that's kind of when I shifted into sort of jazz and modern. And that's what led me to the cheerleading.

[Lauren Everts]

So when you get your first big break, was that something that had strategy behind it or was it just like, oh, God, no.

[Teri Hatcher]

In fact, it had complete universal, like, luck heading in my direction. So I was a math major at a junior college in Northern California. I was also 49er cheerleader. That was kind of my life. I had applied to Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. I had been accepted. I was going to transfer there in the fall as a junior. As a math major, my destiny was that I was going to be a math teacher. I had this real idea that there were no women role models in math for young girls. And I was going to be one because I had had all these crappy male math teachers that, like, I felt, like, weren't great to to women. And I was going to be this role model that was kind of my mind's trajectory of my life. And my girlfriend wanted to go to this nationwide search for these things called the Love Boat Mermaids, which was like a dancing part in San Francisco. And what the Love Boat had done with their last year on television was they did this nationwide search in all the major cities, Chicago, New York, Dallas, San Francisco, for these eight dancing girls. And so my girlfriend wanted to go, and she didn't want to go by herself. What happened that morning? Because I had to take the train from where I lived in Sunnyvale up to San Francisco to do the audition. My parents. I still lived at home at the time. My parents were in like New Orleans or something. And my mom called me like, you know, 5:30 in the morning to wish me luck, which is kind of weird that for my mom to even do that. But I. My alarm had not gone off and I was dead asleep. And I had to be on the train like 6:15. And so she woke me up, I threw myself out of bed. I somehow got to the thing, got to the audition. If she hadn't called me, I would be a math teacher at your local high school right now.

[Michael Bostic]

And if you were my math teacher back then, I'd be fucking Warren Buffett.

[Teri Hatcher]

I love that. Making. Making changes all over the place. Anyways, she did call me. I did go. I ended up winning San Francisco. I came down to Los Angeles, I competed again, and I was chosen as one of the eight Mermaids, which were basically glorified extras on the last season of the Love Boat. But that. So I dropped out of college. I thought temporarily to just kind of come do this experience, but then once I got to LA and got an agent and it just all sort of slowly snowballed. And I've always wished, you know, I wanted to go to college. I wanted to go to Juilliard, I wanted to go study theater. My parents would only pay for me to go to college if I studied engineering or math. And so I didn't. I didn't have the wherewithal to do that. You know, looking back, I definitely wish that I had had that kind of training, but I do feel like I have a good work ethic and I'm sort of a sponge kind of a person. And I got the chance to work with some amazing people in movies like Soap Dish and the Big Picture and all of that. Like, you know, that sort of osmosis studying, you know, that happened more in my adult life once I was in.

[Michael Bostic]

Los Angeles at the time in the business. Did, did the business push more for you to, for people to have that kind of background? Because I feel like it's maybe less so now. Right.

[Teri Hatcher]

I don't know. I. I don't know. You see plenty of wonderful, talented people that come out of serious training and I guess you see the same with people who didn't. I think for me I would have been less hard on myself if I felt like I had like legitimacy, I guess. And instead I feel like I had to earn that legitimacy with some success or awards or whatever else. And even now I still feel, you know, like I wish I felt more qualified.

[Michael Bostic]

It's like a proving thing.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

That's so interesting that you say that because no one would look at you and think that. It's almost like you're describing. You feel like you have imposter syndrome.

[Teri Hatcher]

Oh, totally. No, I totally do.

[Lauren Everts]

That blows my mind that someone who has all the accolades that you have feels like that.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah, I, you know, those kinds of feelings are deep seated from childhood and I think all you can do as a 60 year old woman, as I am now is, as I have for many years, is just continue to work on that twofold, which I think is to continue to educate yourself. I mean, I always do. I just, you know, I work on accents. I have a singing coach that I, you know, whether I'm doing that or not, I read a lot. I feel like life's experiences give you tools. As an actor, I think I'm vulnerable, so I think I'm always continuing to grow. I hope that my best work is in front of me. I don't know where it is, but I hope it reveals itself and I get a chance to do it.

[Michael Bostic]

Based on your experience, what do you believe to be the most challenging thing about acting for people that maybe are aspiring to that career?

[Teri Hatcher]

Well, gosh, nowadays, I mean, I think just getting in front of people, getting a job. I think it's crazy though because we're.

[Michael Bostic]

More in front of people than ever.

[Teri Hatcher]

I know it is weird. I mean, to that end, I do feel like there is an empowering self starting, you know, arena that you can be in if you are that person. If you are the writer and the director and the editor and the creator, I think the industry is set up for you to succeed in a way that maybe it wasn't before. But if you just want to be an actor who has an agent that somehow gets you appointments to get auditions, I feel like that's harder that I feel like That's a harder door to beat down.

[Lauren Everts]

Also, I feel like when you, when, when you were starting out, it seems like there was like Jillian Michaels came on the podcast and she said, lauren, there was like, there was one person that could do the Today show and there was one, there was six people that could do friends. Like, it was, it was more limited. Now it feels like there's Netflix and there's prime and there's all these different avenues. You could be a social media star, you could be a tick tock star. Like, there's so many different ways to get your talent out. Whereas with you, there was so much competition for the spot.

[Teri Hatcher]

I don't know. I still feel like there's a lot of competition. You do? Yeah, I do, I do. I mean, and I don't think there's, I think there's more than there used to be, but I don't think there's a ton of great roles for women my age. And there are some pretty brilliant, talented people my age that, I mean, I don't look at it like competition, but I, I do think, you know, for those of us that want to work, I'm not sure there's enough roles.

[Lauren Everts]

We need to open up some roles. We need you on our screen all the time.

[Teri Hatcher]

Thank you.

[Michael Bostic]

Actresses come on the show and they've said that they think that there's better roles for aging men than there are for women. Do you agree with that?

[Teri Hatcher]

I just think the world is positioned more kindly towards aging men than it is toward aging, aging women. And I don't think it is distinctly focused on just Hollywood. I think, you know, it's just, it's, you know, you see businessmen that carry on into their 70s and 80s. I mean, look at our politics.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah.

[Teri Hatcher]

You know, and I just think there is always a harsher lens on women. I do think we're chipping away at it. And, you know, I champion every, I mean, every. Like, look at Martha Stewart. I mean, let's all just bow down, shall we? We need more of that. And you see them, you see them becoming more and more visual and successful later in age. But yeah, I mean, I think it's tough because women in Hollywood, anyways, while I do think there are better roles for older women now maybe than there used to be, and more, I think they have to make this sort of either a choice about are they going to try to continue to look young.

[Lauren Everts]

Right.

[Teri Hatcher]

Or are they going to give that up? As I think I'm in this lane, I would consider myself in this lane to not fight that physicality and sort of hopefully grow into the stories of a mature woman or a grandmother or whatever. Like, I'm excited about people being able to look at me on screen and be like, That's a real 60 year old woman. That's a 65 year old woman. That's a 70 year old woman. Like, that's, I want to look like that.

[Lauren Everts]

That's where men don't have to make that choice.

[Teri Hatcher]

They don't. Because, you know, they're still the sexiest man alive at 67.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, that's good news for me.

[Teri Hatcher]

Just, it is good news for you.

[Lauren Everts]

No, it's so true though. It's like men don't have that fork in the road to choose. But the, the problem is it's a slippery slope. If you try to constantly pull and suck and whatever. It's, it's, that's stressful.

[Teri Hatcher]

It's just, it's, you know, I, I, I'm only on my side of it. Meaning that for, and I will say for now, like, I don't know what might happen that would make me change my mind. But for now, when I look in the mirror and I think, what is lacking? What am I still struggling with? What would I like to be better at? How would I like to be better? How can I find peace? All the things that I think a lot of people ask of themselves. My answer is not a facelift. Like, my answer to myself is internal work. It's intellectual work. It's emotional work. If I felt like my answer was in not having wrinkles in my neck, then I would probably do it. I have no judgment about it, but I know what I'm searching for, which I don't know that I can be specific about. I just know that I have growth to continue to do as a human. I don't, My instinct isn't that the answer is in plastic surgery, which is why I'm not doing it.

[Lauren Everts]

That's interesting. And the reason that's interesting is because so many people in your line of work would not answer that way or they would answer that way. And it, and maybe they're not telling like the truth, right?

[Teri Hatcher]

They're like, that is the only thing that gets me. I literally, I have no judgment. Being a woman is hard. Being a young mother is hard. Being an older mother is hard. Aging is hard. So I have no judgment about how anybody feels good about themselves in their life. I don't love when people aren't truthful about it. And the only reason, because I get that you I respect your privacy, but the only reason is when you're famous and you lie, you're sort of making the rest of us feel bad about ourselves because we look at you and we go, I guess I'm not drinking enough water, you know, or using enough olive oil. Yeah, exactly. You know, and that is unfair. But, you know, I mean, you're balancing it against. I do believe that people deserve their privacy. So I guess I understand where it comes from, but it just doesn't make the rest of us feel great.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, especially because if you're famous in particular, I think for. I have young sisters for women, like a lot of women look to people in the spotlight and compare.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

They aspire.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

I think there's a want to, to, to give the perception that you're naturally perfect. And if you were to say, oh, you know, I had a facelift or I had a neck lift or whatever it is, it would, it would crack.

[Teri Hatcher]

That you were going to say, diminish that. Yeah, and, and it would. But you know, this doesn't, this, it's a hard world to live in. And, and it doesn't just apply to famous people. I mean, I have a 27 year old daughter and I know a lot of my friends have, have younger kids than that even. And, and you know, for those, for those generations and my generation, many of us are comparing ourselves to what this sort of fake perfect life that people are putting out on their Instagrams or their, or their Facebooks and it's just making everyone feel bad. So it's kind of funny because if you, I actually had a makeup artist friend of mine who I've known for a really long time, and he said to me once, why don't you ever put any beautiful pictures of you on your face, on your Instagram? Because I put all this. I look like shit on all. I just, I don't wear makeup. I don't care.

[Lauren Everts]

You don't think shit.

[Teri Hatcher]

No, no, but I kind of do. And it's, it's. Once in a while I'll put photos from like a, like when I went to Cannes, there were some beautiful photos and I had all the makeup and all the fake hair and all the stuff and all the boob lift and everything. You know, whatever, you know, Spanx or whatever's going on to make you look that way. And that's fun and it is an extension of me and it, and it's great to have it, but the real me is not that. And I guess I just, I put those things out There because I want people to feel okay about just being themselves.

[Lauren Everts]

I think that's authentic and that's great. I mean, I think about a lot how I'm gonna explain social media to my daughter. I've really thought about this because of what I do and I've realized from the. The best way I think I can explain it is that Instagram and TikTok are movie sets. And it's a movie set and these girls have lighting and they have their makeup done by a professional and some of them are getting their hair done and there's extensions and there's fake nails and there's fake this and fake that and it's all, it's produced and it's edited and it's just like a movie, but it's coming through a different medium.

[Teri Hatcher]

It's good that you are starting to put that out there because when this all started, whatever, 15 years ago, in the last 10 years, that is not what people were saying. No one was saying that. And so a lot of young people don't look at it like that. They look at it as if it's real and they're competing with what they see. And again, reflecting badly on themselves because they can't hold themselves to this standard that they don't understand is fake. I mean my, like I said, My 27 year old daughter, she just took it off her phone. She, like three months ago, she took her account. She doesn't even look at it anymore.

[Lauren Everts]

It's so healthy for you.

[Teri Hatcher]

She's a writer by profession and she just, every time I see her, she's like, I'm so happy. I'm so glad I did that. It's such a time suck and a waste of time. And she wasn't even that much into it anyway, but even for her, it's just gone.

[Lauren Everts]

30 minutes a day adds up. To look at it like some people are like, I'm only on it for 15 minutes.

[Teri Hatcher]

If I add it up, you're not right.

[Lauren Everts]

It's like probably like an hour. If you add it up, it's a lot. I agree with your daughter. I deleted TikTok. It's like you've, it's almost like it's, it's creating boundaries for yourself and being intentional about the boundaries that you create. I think that's great.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, like the platforms all started as photo editing and curation platforms to put your, like your best photo out there, right? And so then it, it went that way and I, we, we just had Jonathan Haidt on this podcast. He wrote that book, the Anxious Generation, talking to parents about children. But, like, really, like, we were the first generation to kind of like, use the tool. The generation under us that had kids was the first generation to have to parent with these tools. It's like nobody. There was nobody to look to. To be like, how do you talk to your kids about this? It'd be like talking to my dad back in the day about how to, you know, use the computer.

[Teri Hatcher]

Right.

[Michael Bostic]

He was like, his. His dad didn't even. They didn't exist.

[Teri Hatcher]

Right, right.

[Michael Bostic]

I was, I was gonna ask you in this line, like, do you feel, because you have some of the accolades, like, you've, you know, you've done the Bond girl, you. What's, what's the quote? What's the stat here? You were voted FHM's 100 Top Sexiest Women, multiple years, top 4, 19, 96, 97, all. Do you feel because you've done that, it's like box checked, done it, not as important to you anymore?

[Teri Hatcher]

Well, I never cared about the beauty side of anything, so all of that is just. I mean, I don't even know. Like, it's just whatever it is. I don't know what I think of awards, but I feel like the couple of opportunities, like some of the episodes of Desperate Housewives where I played Susan Meyer, over that amount of years that the show was on the air, some of that work I'm really proud of. Like, as we've been doing this podcast that I'm doing, we're starting at the beginning, which I haven't watched the show in 20 years, and my daughter's never seen the show. And then my other co host on the podcast is the girl that played my daughter on the show when she was 13. So it's wonderful we can get more into that.

[Michael Bostic]

Did your daughter and her have a relationship?

[Teri Hatcher]

They did. They did, yeah. I mean, so Andrea was 13 when she started the show. She was 13 to 21, and my daughter was 6 to, like, 6, 7 to like, you know, 15. And those early days, yeah, Andrea would color with my daughter on the set. Like, if I brought my daughter to the set, and my daughter's an only child, and Andrea comes from the most beautiful family of six siblings, and her parents are just lovely. We're all still friends. We've been friends for decades now, and that's amazing in itself. But what I was gonna say is in looking at some of these early episodes, like, I think one of the scenes that I'm probably most remembered for is this scene where Susan Gets locked outside of the house naked, and she sort of does this little dance with a bush across the lawn and then tries to get in the house, and then she falls naked into the bush. And then her eventual love of her life, Mike, find the plumber, finds her in the bush naked. And it's very choreographed. It's very danced, if you will. You know, it's comedic. And I think that that was something that I just. I loved rising to the challenge of that and creating that kind of entertainment that's sort of lived on through generations. Enjoying that.

[Lauren Everts]

I watched that kind of thing. I watched all of the episodes.

[Teri Hatcher]

You did all of it. Thank you.

[Lauren Everts]

I love the show. And I don't. I want to say I don't know how old I was, but I don't know if I was sneaking it behind my mom's.

[Teri Hatcher]

It might have been. You seem pretty young. Yeah, you might have been.

[Lauren Everts]

I maybe was. I might have been sneaking it. Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Because what was the run days of the years? I'll tell you how old you were.

[Teri Hatcher]

It was 2004 to, like, 2012 now.

[Michael Bostic]

We were, like, almost out of high school.

[Teri Hatcher]

Oh. Oh, really?

[Lauren Everts]

Okay. Really?

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. We graduated in 2005, didn't we?

[Lauren Everts]

It's. It's an iconic show. I mean, I. I love that you're rewatching it with your daughter, whose name I love. Her name is so cute.

[Teri Hatcher]

Thank you.

[Michael Bostic]

Your mom was pretty strict, so you.

[Lauren Everts]

Might have been sneaking, but I like. It's. It's something that I feel like is. What's that word? Perennial. What's it.

[Michael Bostic]

Perennial.

[Lauren Everts]

Perennial seller. Like, it's something that you can watch at any time, and it's still good. Do you know what I mean? Like, kind of like the wizard of Oz.

[Teri Hatcher]

Well, gosh, you know, you can watch so much. That makes sense. I feel like that. That it's. I mean, it's weird to talk about something like that, that you're in that way, but I do. What is fun about this show is that if you think about it, Susan was really only about a quarter of the show. You know, there were four other characters or three other characters that had major storylines. And so sometimes watching it, you know, I'm really only aware of the parts that I shot that I was involved in. And then there's a whole bunch of the show that I was not there when it was being shot. And so it is like watching a show that you're not in, and everyone is so good, and it really does hold up. It really was a good show for, you know, if you think about it, it was on a network, like you could, you had to. It was appointment television. It wasn't streaming. It wasn't, you know, on hbo. I mean, it's, it's kind of for.

[Michael Bostic]

The young people listening. They forget. Like we, you know, they used to tune in sometimes.

[Lauren Everts]

You guys also set the stage for Real Housewives.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yes. Yeah, you did like that. That was like, I mean, I, I certainly credit Mark Cherry, the creator of Desperate Housewives with that. And I always say, like, I'm sure he deserves a little percentage of all of Andy Cohen's money.

[Michael Bostic]

And I'm sure Andy's gonna love that. That's gonna be the headline from this.

[Lauren Everts]

So what, how do you get approached to do Seinfeld? Or did you approach them?

[Michael Bostic]

Speaking of perennial sellers.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, and how do you, how do you even, like, how do they tell you the idea for the episode and what is your response behind the scenes?

[Teri Hatcher]

Okay, well, some of this, I mean, this is a long time ago. So you don't remember. So I'm not sure that I remember all the details, but I will, I will tell you what I think I remember. And I just qualify that with I could be wrong. Like, if you ever get Larry David in here, he might say, that's not how that happened. But anyway, I seem to recall that I was just offered that, that episode. I didn't audition.

[Michael Bostic]

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[Lauren Everts]

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[Teri Hatcher]

So what?

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[Michael Bostic]

And where were you at your career in this point?

[Teri Hatcher]

I had not done Lois and Clark.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay.

[Teri Hatcher]

But I remember when I did this episode of Seinfeld, Jason Alexander said to me, good things are gonna happen for you because this, good things happen to people that do this show.

[Michael Bostic]

I mean like think about a lot, I mean the career, a lot of the, like Bryan Cranston was on there. There's so many people.

[Teri Hatcher]

And I feel like right after this I did get Lois and Clark. So he was right. And. But I guess, you know, I had done a movie called the Big Picture with Christopher Guest. That was my first movie and I Actually think I was told again, so who knows if this is true, but I was told that Larry and Jerry had seen that, and that's why they cast me as this part, and that's why I didn't have to audition. I don't know if that's true, but that's what I was told. So, you know, I kind of remember it being like, the easiest job ever. You know, sitcom schedules are. You show up around 10, you do some reading through the script, you. You get it on its feet, you sort of rehearse it for the producers, and you kind of leave around 3 o' clock or so. And then one day you shoot it in front of a live audience, and that day goes into the evening. So I just remember it not being difficult. You know, I always approach things. Obviously, you're nervous. It's Jerry Seinfeld. Like, you know, you just. I always just want to deliver. Like, I. Whatever it is they wanted, I wanted to do what they wanted.

[Lauren Everts]

You want to do, you do your best and give them a chance.

[Michael Bostic]

And that was like the biggest show at the time on television. Right? Like, that was the.

[Teri Hatcher]

I don't even know if it. I feel like Seinfeld got bigger.

[Michael Bostic]

I mean, it's still. But, like, it was big, though.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah, but it got. It got bigger the longer it was on, I think. And I. You know what? I'm not. I don't know how big it was when I did my thing. I know my thing became, like, much bigger in the many years afterwards. Like, honestly, I think Real and Spectacular is gonna go on my tombstone. I mean, how can it not?

[Lauren Everts]

Like, Michael was like, I'm gonna start the episode off with that. And I said, do know how many times that people come up to us?

[Teri Hatcher]

I just had no. This is really funny. We were, you know, we've been promoting my podcast, and we were at one of the local news stations, and the guy who was putting on my microphone backstage, he, you know, very sweetly and sheepishly, you know, he's like. I just have to say, like, that was my favorite episode of Seinfeld. And they're real and they're fantastic. And I'm like, Like, that's not the line. They're actually spectacular.

[Lauren Everts]

They're not fantastic merch made for your podcast.

[Teri Hatcher]

Well, you know what I recently did? I changed my Instagram. You know how I used. For years, I used to have, like, I'm a mom, I'm a. I'm a. I'm a friend. I'm an actress, I'm a. Whatever, whatever. The things were. And I recently was like, you know what? I'm just real and spectacular. That's what I am. That's all it says now. Real and spectacular. And you either get it or you don't.

[Lauren Everts]

You have to create a sweater for your podcast that says it across the booth. Boobs. And then on the back says the handle to your podcast. I swear to God, people on Tick Tock would love that to wear over their boobs.

[Teri Hatcher]

Well, you seem like the person that can give me the right advice, so I'll take it. Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

I'll wear it. I mean, people literally would go crazy for merch like that. Just like a simple sweater.

[Teri Hatcher]

That's a fun idea.

[Lauren Everts]

Do it Navy. Get a simple little thing. And then on the back have your handle.

[Michael Bostic]

I bet if you came out with that merchant, it would sell out quick.

[Teri Hatcher]

Okay, I. I love.

[Lauren Everts]

Can you trademark it?

[Michael Bostic]

Here's the thing. That is a show I used to. So my. My mother was such a huge fan of. And that's a show you would tune in for. Like, I remember being a kid and sitting down and waiting for that. And I think Friends was on this around the same. Like, you would switch or. It was. She was into Melrose Place. It was like that. That moment in time. All those shows.

[Lauren Everts]

I. You were. You were copying a look at when she was on the screen.

[Michael Bostic]

It was a great episode.

[Teri Hatcher]

There is. Is something also that I think is actually scientifically sort of studied. Is that nostalgia, like things that you already know are actually relaxing for your brain.

[Lauren Everts]

That's why people are addicted to Windex.

[Teri Hatcher]

Wait.

[Lauren Everts]

People will not get rid of their Windex because it's. Because they remember the smell in 1995.

[Teri Hatcher]

Calms them down.

[Lauren Everts]

It reminds them of their mom cleaning the kitchen table. They won't switch.

[Teri Hatcher]

That is interesting.

[Michael Bostic]

We keep eating and drinking harmful things that you had from childhood because it's like, it's comforting in that way.

[Teri Hatcher]

Right. But I know what you're saying watching television that, you know, like Friends or whatever, it. It. There's. Your brain can go into, like, calm mode because you know nothing surprising is going to happen. And that's another reason why all these shows are having their resurgence.

[Lauren Everts]

That makes. When you say that, that makes me want to go watch Desperate Housewives again. Like, I totally get what you're saying. You will.

[Teri Hatcher]

And then listen to our podcast.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. Yes. It makes me want to just go down a rabbit hole.

[Teri Hatcher]

You know, that's been actually hard in doing the podcast. So each episode is connected to one of the episodes from the show. And so when I'm watching the show, like, and making my notes about what we wanna talk about, what we've done with our podcast is we've used the show and sort of analyzing the show and also, like, honoring the show as sort of a love letter. But we're using the different things that happen to the characters as sort of a springboard to talk about life. And, you know, we've got my daughter, who is 27, and then we have Andrea, who's 35, and she's pregnant and newly married and she's about to have her first child. And then me, who's 60 and single. And so it is a fun conversation that we have just about life and relationships and being a human being in. You know, in regards to how it connects to the show. But so I have to watch an episode and then come in to do the podcast. And the hardest thing about it is not binging the show because I have to stop, because I just want to keep watching it, but I have to stop.

[Lauren Everts]

It's because, like, when you see all the characters, like, you. You know, you know them, like, for instance, like, now being a mom at. And taking my kids to school, like, there is. There's one. There's a Lynette at school. There's. There's. You know what I mean? Like, it's such a. Like, good stereotype. You know what I mean?

[Teri Hatcher]

That's exactly what it is. And I think there's a little bit of each of those stereotypical women in all of us. Totally. Which is why I think we relate to it so much and why it feels so comforting to watch. I mean, honestly, it is crazy that I have such affection for the show because it feels like I wasn't in it. Like, it feels like. Yeah, it's very weird.

[Lauren Everts]

That's crazy.

[Teri Hatcher]

It is weird.

[Lauren Everts]

My plumber is not as hot as your plumber.

[Teri Hatcher]

Mine isn't either. I've never met one plumber.

[Lauren Everts]

And remember the pool boy, Jesse?

[Teri Hatcher]

Oh, the gardener.

[Lauren Everts]

The gardener.

[Teri Hatcher]

Gardener, yes.

[Lauren Everts]

Wait, what was his name?

[Michael Bostic]

Doesn't listen to this one.

[Teri Hatcher]

The gardener's name was John.

[Lauren Everts]

John.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yes.

[Lauren Everts]

John the gardener.

[Teri Hatcher]

John the gardener. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

On the gardener. Yeah.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

What is it actually like hosting Saturday Night Live? Like, it seems to me that that is so much work that people don't realize. And pressure. What is that actually, like, Take us behind the scenes.

[Teri Hatcher]

Well, I. You know, I recently got to revisit this. Cause I did David Spade and Dana Carvey's podcast, and so we were talking about it. David was on the show. When I did the show in 96, I think it was, or maybe 97. Anyway, total honor, like, you were talking about sort of bucket list things. And I would say hosting Saturday Night Live is just an absolute bucket list for me. I went into it. I had just wrapped a season of Lois and Clark, and I went into it feeling like, you know, I had done my fair share of Help Superman, help. And I was really excited to just do other things like that.

[Michael Bostic]

You know what that reference is? Lauren?

[Lauren Everts]

I'm assuming it's in Lewis and Clark, right?

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, because it's like, it's a comic.

[Teri Hatcher]

And Lois said that a lot. Like, help Superman, please. You know, in every episode, you wanted.

[Lauren Everts]

To, like, you wanted to have a fresh sleep.

[Teri Hatcher]

She's not a comic.

[Michael Bostic]

She's not a combination.

[Lauren Everts]

It's okay. I'm a housewife person.

[Teri Hatcher]

I wanted to expand myself. So I kind of went in on. On the. The first day, and I was like, I'll do anything you guys write. Like, the crazier, the better. I'm up for all of it. I'm up for the challenge. And, you know, it's. It's just fascinating. Like, they're. They're watching how fast they write things and the different characters and, you know, throwing your different costumes on. I mean, how they pull that off is just. It's amazing. I got to do a Mary Kathryn Gallagher superstar set. I got to do a cheerleader with Will Ferrell and Sherri o'. Terry. I did the sketch with David Spade. Yeah. I felt like it was really memorable and fun and challenging and crazy. And again, I've had many, many things that, when I look back, like, this is another thing that falls into that category. I originated the national tour of Cabaret as Sally Bowles from Broadway back in 2000. And so I did it for seven months. I did Los Angeles, Chicago, Boston, and D.C. that's a lot of work. And I was breastfeeding. My daughter was, like, a year old at the time, and she went with me, and that was an amazing, crazy, amazing, draining, wonderful experience. But I put these two in the category of, like, these things have happened to me, or I've. I don't know if happened to me or with me, and they just feel like someone else. Like, I. I feel like I've been around long enough to feel like maybe it's like nine lives. Like, oh, that was a lifetime on that thing. And then that was a lifetime on that thing. And the fun part of that is I feel like now at 60, like, okay, what's this lifetime. You know what's about to happen. You know, what's this gonna be?

[Lauren Everts]

It seems like you're more in control of your own narrative of what that looks like at this point in your life. You get to have your podcast. You get to. You get to explore what you want. I know you have your series on Instagram. People are really resonating with that. Like, it seems like you get to.

[Michael Bostic]

Create it, but, you know, in this medium, which is long format, and I appreciate you doing this show because. And it's like, newer for you, right? Like this kind of, like, long. But it's like interviewing you and we, you know, sometimes we'll talk to people and it's like, on one subject, on one thing, or like, they're an expert on a book.

[Lauren Everts]

Right.

[Michael Bostic]

And with you, like, we can go years and years, like, decades of different experiences. You know, like, it's, it's taking everything.

[Teri Hatcher]

They'll all be like, what did you say, Michael? I can't. I'm so old. I can't quite hear you.

[Michael Bostic]

Because, like, you know, we could. I could go into Super Sign, but, like, you know, Bond. Our son's name is Bond. Like, I've seen every. Like, I know all. You are a Bond girl. Like, there's a million things and it's, it's, it's, you know, Saturday Night Live.

[Lauren Everts]

Give us the juice on being a Bond girl. What's the juice on?

[Michael Bostic]

Pressure, too.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah, there's no. It's just so funny. It's like, it's.

[Lauren Everts]

Did you have to prepare? Like, what do you do for that?

[Teri Hatcher]

No, I mean, honestly, I was pregnant. I was like seven weeks or eight weeks or nine weeks pregnant when I went to film that. So my boobs were huge.

[Lauren Everts]

At nine weeks pregnant, I looked five months. So I couldn't have done it. Sorry.

[Teri Hatcher]

But one of the reasons I took the part, I'd been offered this other movie that I kind of really wanted to do that was a bigger, you know, more like your classic rom com sort of movie. And I couldn't do it because it would have taken two and a half months to shoot that movie. And by the time we got into it, I would have been too pregnant. And then I got offered the Bond film, which was only two weeks of work. It was a very small part. And I sort of thought, okay, I can quietly go do this movie before anybody realizes I'm pregnant. And unfortunately, this was in the day when, like, Page Six, whoever that writer was, Liz, somebody, like, outed my pregnancy in the newspaper.

[Michael Bostic]

That's why we forgot her name, huh?

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah. I mean, she was very famous, but, yeah, it wasn't cool. I was already filming when that came out, and, like, I hadn't told friends, and I hadn't told. Because you don't tell people before your first trimester because it was so invasive. Yeah, it was really invasive. Anyways, so it was kind of a weird for it being this quote unquote, glamorous thing to be a Bond girl. I was just over there doing a piece of work. The last piece of work I was gonna do before I was a mother. And you can understand that. Like, that was my mindset, and I was trying to do a good job within that, but I had other things in the forefront of my mind than I'm sure the people involved with the film were concerned with. Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

When, like, in. That fan base is so crazy and there's so much press around any of those movies, like, after, you know, people just go wild with that stuff. Everyone wants to know every little detail. Like, right now, the big thing is, like, who's the next one? People are going nuts about that.

[Teri Hatcher]

They haven't made that decision yet.

[Michael Bostic]

I don't think so. I just think it's like, it's such a big franchise that spanned for so many years, and people love it so much with so many.

[Teri Hatcher]

No, I love it. I mean, I love it, and I love being in it. I mean, I love. I love, like, have your kids. They're probably. They're too young to see Coraline yet, Right?

[Lauren Everts]

We saw it.

[Teri Hatcher]

Oh, you did love that. Okay. So that might be one of the pieces of work that I'm the most proud of.

[Michael Bostic]

That's interesting.

[Teri Hatcher]

I think. I think my voice work was amazing in that. I think the fact that I played the evil mother and the regular mother, like, I loved how we approached that. And that thing is just a piece of art. I mean, the whole movie should just be hanging in a museum. I mean, it's unbelievable, the artistry of what it took to get that thing done. So, you know, I do look at my career in a weird way. Like, there are these. These sort of tent poles. If you go like, Bond girl, Seinfeld girlfriend, Lois Lane, Coraline, they're all it is. But it, again, it feels like it's not me.

[Lauren Everts]

That's so weird. Yeah, that's. I think that it's. Because your job, unlike. So if someone works 9 to 5 and they work the same job for 20 years, it's the same thing every day. Your job is to step into different Characters and different people. And maybe that's why you feel almost a detachment.

[Teri Hatcher]

Maybe.

[Lauren Everts]

By the way, Coraline, that is a we. I took you to see that movie. I remember when we first started dating, we loved it. And then we showed our kids it. Both of our kids, they loved it. They picked it for family movie night. I'll have to tell my daughter that.

[Teri Hatcher]

I met the mother if you want me. Sometimes people want me to leave voice messages for them. Like, you can stay forever if you want to, or, like, you know, like, creepy things like that. So if you ever want that from me, feel free. I can do it.

[Michael Bostic]

If they're misbehaving. Might have to have you play the evil one.

[Teri Hatcher]

Exactly. I'll be the eater.

[Lauren Everts]

I would love to know more about why you decided to create the Sandwiched series.

[Teri Hatcher]

Well, I mean, I know we were talking before we were recording, so now I don't remember what I've said while we were recording or not, but about three years ago, my dad got diagnosed with dementia, and they lived in Orange County. And that traffic from Los Angeles has just gotten worse and worse over the years to the point where, you know, it could take me two and a half, three hours to get there. And I was getting calls from their neighbors that, you know, we love your parents, but we just don't know that we're gonna be able to support them in the long haul. And I'm an only child, and, you know, my parents are very independent, and my mom is just, like, stubbornly independent. They didn't want to accept help, but I finally convinced them that it was just not sustainable for the long haul for them to not have any help but be so far away and have nobody there. So I got them to move up to Los Angeles, and I was lucky enough to be able to afford to get them a house in my neighborhood. And I set it all up for them so that it's, like, really lovely to be in and has great vibes and. And I have some caregivers that help me. But, I mean, as my close friends have witnessed, I mean, it's. You know, every night I have a ring camera that kind of projects over their sort of major living area. And every night I get in bed and I look at the ring camera, and I just go, like, okay, did they go to sleep? Did anybody fall down? Does it look like they ate their dinner? And I'll just sort of, you know, whatever. I'll give a call or I'll run up there. I mean, it's some constant level of caregiving. And sometimes much bigger. Like, my mom was in and out of the hospital five times in the last few months. And while that was happening, nobody was home to watch my dad. And he ended up taking his pills twice because he didn't remember that he had some. The nurse had given him his pills. And, you know, it's kind of constant, even if you're not the actual person doing the caregiving and all this to say. I also, after Desperate Housewives, went to the Cordon Bleu, because I've always cooked, but I really wanted to elevate my cooking even more than it already was. And so I put those two things together that I know how to make great food. And this idea of being sandwiched between, you know, taking care of your parents and your children, or just when you felt like, this is finally going to be that time in my life that I'm going to focus on me. And then you're kind of unable to in the way you. You imagined and anticipated. And I thought it might be a cool thing to create this community where I make. Make yummy sandwiches while I'm talking about this in my kitchen. And so that's what I did. And I put that out there. And it does seem like people are really responding to it. And sometimes you can't fix it it. But just feeling like you're not alone, just knowing that somebody else is, is, is. Is articulating what you're going through, I think is a. Is a relief.

[Lauren Everts]

So many people on Instagram are talking about. I see it all the time. I don't know if I'm getting served it, but about how hard it is to take care of a toddler. And it seems to me, and I haven't gotten to where you're at yet, but it seems to me there's a lot of parallels between.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, as you were talking, one. That's so, so nice of you to do that because, I mean, just so kind that you do that for your parents. But it's probably constant stress for you too, to be checking in on that camera all the time and looking and wondering and, like, hoping for the best, like, praying.

[Lauren Everts]

It is like managing a toddler.

[Teri Hatcher]

In a way, it totally is. And in a way it's worse because the toddler, you can just say, sit in the car seat and this is where we're going, and this is what you're eating. And, you know, they might not like it, but they're gonna do what you say, because that's the dynamic. You know, my mom, she does in a way make it worse because she's so resistant. And you know, she'll be resistant to help, but then she'll get an infection that then turns into sepsis. And like if she had just accepted the help, we could have stopped in advance. Like I keep saying to her, I'm trying to put things in place that will keep you from being in a wheelchair. Like she'll say to me, I'm not taking any help until I'm in a wheelchair. And I'm like, I'm trying to keep you from being in a wheelchair. And I know that this is. Other people are experiencing. Experiencing exactly what I'm talking about. It is in a way more frustrating because you can't really tell your parents what to do. Like the way you could tell a child what to do. And part of the work that I've had to do, I mean, you just sort of subtly mentioned it, Michael, that like I've had to give myself grace for like there is a little bit of you can lead a horse or water, but you can't make a drink thing going here. Like, I know that I have put in place and done absolutely everything I can do. And I can't make them change their diet, I can't make them walk more, I can't. The things I can do, I've done and I've had to go. And now I have to like be at peace with this.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, but that's really hard.

[Lauren Everts]

It's a generational thing too where like they grew up in a generation where maybe it's not as important to have a self care routine. And so like that's just what they've been ingrained. It's like, it's. You're right, you can't do it.

[Teri Hatcher]

And they don't know modern things. Like my dad can't use a phone.

[Lauren Everts]

How nice for him though.

[Teri Hatcher]

I mean, maybe that kind of feels.

[Lauren Everts]

Freeing, but it's frustrating for you.

[Teri Hatcher]

But it's nice for him. He wouldn't be able to, to call for help or he can't get an Uber or he doesn't. Can't order food. Like all the things we do, even the games and stuff that I think maybe he might benefit from. Like, like the kind of, I don't know, word games and things that for your mind. He can't do any of that. And, and they don't, they didn't evolve with learning modern conveniences. So they don't know what, what Twitter is. They don't know, you know, they're very stuck in the things that they knew in the 80s.

[Lauren Everts]

Right.

[Teri Hatcher]

And it's fine, except it's not reality. Like, I know the modern things. I know that exercise and diet and social activity are good for Alzheimer's and dementia. I know those studies. My parents don't. So me trying to put those things in front of them to make their lives be more joyful and healthier for a longer amount of time is difficult because they don't necessarily agree with me or they aren't aware of current facts.

[Michael Bostic]

I had to have a whole debate with my dad about asparagus. Is it aspartame?

[Teri Hatcher]

Aspartame. Aspartame, yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

In like, Diet Coke or Pepsi.

[Teri Hatcher]

Not good for.

[Michael Bostic]

Yes. And I had to, like, he's like, no. And he would fight me on. And he would say, like, no, but the fruit juice has more sugar. And that's where something. No, you can't. That's a natural sugar in a fruit, in a natural fruit. And like, he would fight me on it because that generation, they came through that period of time when that was pushed to them, like, this is a good for you better version. That's a small example, but, like, there.

[Teri Hatcher]

Was no budgeting for years, but it's a perfect example. And yeah, I've definitely lost the battle on nutrition. Like, if I had had my way, I would have had one of those kinds of chefs or those home services, you know, that's delivering the, the good meals and they just, they want to eat, you know, canned whipped cream and, and frozen food from Costco.

[Lauren Everts]

But what a gift that you can give to your daughter because now you know how important it is for you to evolve. And I'm hearing this when I get older, I'm like, okay, I need to make sure that I'm evolving and learning and keeping up.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

So now you can set yourself up, up so you can give your daughter maybe a different experience.

[Teri Hatcher]

I think that's true.

[Lauren Everts]

Maybe it's happening, like, all happening for you.

[Teri Hatcher]

Well, I, I think that's a really good way to look at it. And I am trying to continue to learn new things and not get settled in what is comfortable for me. I mean, honestly, doing a podcast, I know, like, it's crazy. Doing a podcast or, like, editing, like, sometimes I'm like, doing editing now or making these videos. I mean, mean, I, I can't say that I enjoy it, but I, I, I do enjoy community. I really do. I, I, My daughter always tells me that I have. The older I get, the more of an oversharer I am. Like, if I go to the grocery store. And you know how people will just casually be like, how's your day? I mean, you're in trouble because, like, you're just gonna. You're gonna hear about, you know, well, this morning my cat threw up on my favorite rug. And then it took. You know what I mean? And you're gonna get an earful. And I just, I love. I love meeting people. I love strangers. And so I am trying to continue to grow my community, learn new things. But to that end, my friends and I, we were like, you know what we need to do? We need to write a letter to ourselves right now that says Terri, when. If you're reading this, you are probably 80 years old and you probably don't want to have a caregiver or blah, blah, blah. I'm telling you, as a 60 year old, don't do this to your daughter and do this and this and this and this. Because what happens is like, my, you know, my parents, I'm still having the. No, you can't drive the car. No, you don't have a driver's license. That's valid. Yes, I do. No, you don't. Like, here's the letter. Your. Your driver's license has been revoked because you failed this, that, and the other thing. That's not true. Yes, it is. You know what I mean?

[Lauren Everts]

Like, it's frustrating.

[Teri Hatcher]

It is really hard.

[Lauren Everts]

It sounds really frustrating, but it's hard.

[Michael Bostic]

Because I imagine, like, it's probably so frustrating for them.

[Teri Hatcher]

Oh, I know. And that's. I have empathy for that, and I'm not trying to take their independence away.

[Michael Bostic]

Lauren, you try to stop me on that wheel, I'm going to be. I'm out of here. I'm going to.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm going to be like. You go off. You know who just wrote a good book that I feel like there's a book in you for this is Bruce Willis. His wife just wrote a book on caring for him, which is different than what you're describing. But I feel like we need a book from someone who's a daughter or a son about the parents.

[Teri Hatcher]

Okay, Random House. Did you hear that?

[Lauren Everts]

Random House? We need some merch and we need a book because not a lot of.

[Teri Hatcher]

People talk about it.

[Michael Bostic]

It's inevitable any of us with aging parents are going to face this day eventually. We are all aging and going to face this day event like it's, you know, aging.

[Teri Hatcher]

And by the way, it's a blessing. It's a blessing to be aging. And so I think bringing it back to me My whole thing is about trying to age well. And, you know, that includes what I'm eating, how I'm exercising, you know, how I'm, like I said, learning, you know, what. What I'm doing with my brain in a way that I don't think my parents considered. Like, I think my parents, my mom specifically, I really think that she thought they're just gonna drop dead on the same day. Like somehow.

[Lauren Everts]

That's what I think about me and Michael. I'm with your mom. I'm like, well, we'll just die the same day.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah, I might go a little further.

[Michael Bostic]

Maybe. You never. I might have a second act. You never know.

[Lauren Everts]

You can have a second act if you want. I'll be.

[Michael Bostic]

I don't know if you've seen this. I had a. My grandmother, one of my grandmothers passed from dementia and she had that. And there's. I don't know if you've seen this or if there's any truth. And I'm definitely not a doctor of the person, but there's been more people and more studies coming out talking about higher cholesterol being associated with a defense against Alzheimer's. Alzheimer's and eggs, obviously in particular, like with. But the. Our parents generation, that was a generation of like low cholesterol, less cholesterol, don't do that. And I want. I don't know if you've seen anything like that, but it's interesting how science evolves and more information comes out because I just think about kind of the marketing and the messaging from the medical. Not that it's their fault. Where they thought at the time high cholesterol is bad. Now they're saying maybe that guards against.

[Teri Hatcher]

I could be wrong. I don't even think my parents come out of a generation, or at least not. Not their personal life story of where there was even that awareness. I mean, you know, always eating fried things, always eating sugary things, always eating things full of fat, not exercising.

[Michael Bostic]

They were the first to go through, like all of the chemically processed, high output foods. We had them as kids. But it seems like it's changing a bit. Let's talk about Ynab. One of my favorite things to talk about because I cannot stand when people have financial stress in their life speaking firsthand. I know exactly what it means to feel stressed about money, to work really hard, not knowing what you're keeping, what you're saving, what you're going to be able to invest, and having those bills pile up on you with no end in sight. This is why I love talking about Ynab so much. Ynab spelled Y N A B is a life changing app that helps you do what you want with the money you have. You'll create a flexible plan for your money through the simple practice of giving every dollar a job, keeping you focused on the life that you want. We had the found of Ynab on this podcast and did a whole episode on how you can save more money, how you can invest, and how you can put your money to work for you. I highly suggest you check out that episode. Just search Ynab Skinny Confidential so whether you want to cover your mortgage or pay your rent, fund your 401k without sacrificing dinners with friends, or take that long awaited trip abroad, Ynab has you covered. With Ynab, you'll stop wondering where your money goes and start deciding where it'll take you instead. 92% of users report feeling less money stress since using Ynab and the average Ynab user saves nearly $600 in their first month and 6,000 DOL in their first year. Imagine what you can do with an extra $6,000 in your pocket. And here's the thing. Life is short. Spend it well with ynab. We of course have an incredible offer for our listeners and viewers. TSC him and her show listeners can claim an exclusive three month free trial with no credit card required at www.ynab.com skinny. That's Y N A B.com skinny let's talk about Haya. Here's the thing. We spend so much time as adults thinking about how to take care of ourselves. What we put in our body, what ingredients we take, what supplements we take, we have that same amount of thought into the ones that we love most, our children. This is why I love talking about Haya. Typical children's vitamins are basically candy in disguise, filled with two teaspoons of sugar, unhealthy chemicals and other gummy additives growing kids should never eat. That's why Haya created a super powered, chewable vitamin that our children love. Lauren and I give our kids Haya every single day. They wake up. It's part of the routine. When we take our supplements, they look forward to it. They ask for green or yellow or red, and it's become a whole thing. And we love it as parents because we're starting early habits of making sure they're taking their health seriously. While many children's vitamins are filled with 5 grams of sugar, which is known to contribute to a variety of health issues. Haya is made with zero sugar and zero gummy additives. And if you're tired of battling with your kids to eat their greens, Haya now has Kids Daily Greens plus Superfoods, a chocolate flavored greens powder designed specifically for kids. Packed with 55 plus whole food ingredients to support brain power, development and digestion. Just scoop, shake and sip with milk or any non dairy beverage for a delicious and nutritious boost your kids will actually enjoy. And now the same multivitamin that more than a million kids and parents love are now available with Disney's the Lion King with a new Lion King unboxing experience including Lion King bottle and Lion King stickers. And we've worked out a special deal with Haya for their best selling children's vitamin. Receive 50% off your first order to claim this deal you must go to hyahealth.com skinny. This deal is not available on their regular website. Go to H I Y A H E a l t h.com skinny and get your kids the full body nourishment they need to grow into healthy adults.

[Teri Hatcher]

Adults.

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[Teri Hatcher]

Oh, well, thank you. I mean, for one, I try to focus on what I can do, not what I look like. So that's a mental trick that I do with myself because if you're not augmenting your face, you know, you are going to look in the mirror and be like, oh, those wrinkles, like, that's not great. I don't love that I necessarily look like that. Because it's not how I used to look, but, oh, well, because I can still take my big, heavy suitcase and shove it in the overhead bin as I'm traveling to France for my vacation. Like, that's what's important to me.

[Michael Bostic]

We told you.

[Teri Hatcher]

So what do I do? I do twice a week, I work out with a trainer with that. That kind of workout with weights where you're pushing, like, the maximum weight that you can push for two minutes before you sort of like, fail. You know, you push to failure. So I do that for my bones and my muscles, even though I'm thin, that that is what I'm doing. I do sprint sets on the treadmill. I have it at around, like a two incline. And I'll do maybe 10, one minute off, one minute on sprint sets. And then what I look at is more of, like a mental health thing than a physical health thing is in my neighborhood, I can hike up into the hills. And so we'll hike. It probably will include about, like, 10 floors, meaning, like, the hills are pretty significant. But I'll do three to four miles. And in those hikes, which I do almost, almost every day, I usually don't have headphones in. And I had this app that I got a long time ago called Merlin, which is a bird identifying app. And so I sort of looked at it as a meditation of, like, I'd be walking along, and when I finally heard, like, you know, tweet, tweet, tweet, in a certain way, I'd be like, oh, curiosity, like, what's that bird? And I would get out my little app and it would tell me like, oh, that's a finch or that's a sparrow or that's a hawk or whatever. And then I would see if I could find a. And it was kind of this, like, calming.

[Lauren Everts]

My kids would love it.

[Teri Hatcher]

Focusing. I could play it in the morning when Lauren's talking.

[Michael Bostic]

It'll come up as a crow.

[Teri Hatcher]

Nice.

[Lauren Everts]

Don't speak to me before 10.

[Teri Hatcher]

So I think those are primarily my exercise stuff. I keep saying I'm going to stretch more.

[Lauren Everts]

What are your go tos for eating? Are you vegan? Are you?

[Teri Hatcher]

I'm not, no. I love all food, but I. I tend to eat primarily focused on protein and fiber.

[Lauren Everts]

Okay.

[Teri Hatcher]

So, you know, if I open my kitchen, I mean, if I open my refrigerator, you know, I'm looking at eggs and cottage cheese and different vegetables and different fruits. And if I open my pantry, I'm looking at walnuts and almonds and pumpkin seeds and sunflower Seeds and chia seeds and. And chickpeas. And, like, my go to snacks right now. I love my air fryer. And my go to snacks right now are frying a bag of frozen okra. So I just dump a bag of frozen okra in the air fryer, I spray it with olive oil, I sprinkle salt, pepper, and nutritional yeast on it, and then I fry it for like, 16 minutes at 400.

[Lauren Everts]

You need to do a Instagram reel on this.

[Teri Hatcher]

It's kind of like pop.

[Michael Bostic]

What's okra like? What is it?

[Lauren Everts]

What does okra taste like?

[Teri Hatcher]

So okra is. I mean, some people say that okra is, like, the most disgusting vegetable, but it's very good for you. It's, it's, you know, falls into like a broccoli kind of asparagus category. If you eat it, if you cook it wrong, it can be really slimy. And that's why people typically don't like okra. But it is really good for you. And I find it to be like popcorn. And I do the same thing with chickpeas, like, out of the can and.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, yeah, 16 minutes in the air fryer.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah, that's it. At 400. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

And you put natural yeast or nutritional yeast.

[Teri Hatcher]

You can. Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

So if you do it that way, it won't come out slimy. It'll just be perfect.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah, it'll be perfect.

[Lauren Everts]

That sounds good.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah. And so, like, healthy snacks. Now, this isn't to say that I don't go to the movies and order popcorn or that I don't, you know, find time to have some licorice or something, whatever. Like, I like stuff too, but I'm just aware of. Of eating sugar or eating things that are, you know, full of not good nutrition.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm gonna get me some okra. Tell us about your podcast where everyone can go listen. It's called Desperately Devoted podcasts.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yes, it's iHeartMedia, but you can also, you know, listen to it Spotify or Apple, wherever you get your podcast. And yeah, it's. It's a rewatch podcast, but as I said, we're using it as a springboard to talk about things that are important to us in terms of being a human being in relationships, parenting, whatever that is, wherever the show's subject matter for that episode sort of leads us. And I'm doing it with my real life daughter, who is a screenwriter, and she's 27, almost 28. And then my daughter, who was an actress who played my daughter on the show, and her name is Andrea Bowen. And she is recently married and almost having her first child. And so it's the three of us. I really think, you know, there's a great girl, woman, power, chemistry, but we are from three different generations. You know, my daughter is the one that'll be using the word heteronormative quite a bit.

[Lauren Everts]

What does that mean?

[Teri Hatcher]

You know, it's just like her generation of people are focused on identity and got it. And I didn't know that that was a word.

[Lauren Everts]

I've never heard that word.

[Teri Hatcher]

That's a word. And she went to. So she's learning. She's pretty intellectual, but she's super cool and very insightful and very well read and offers a lot of different takes on things. And she's never seen the show before, so she's watching it for the first time and then Andrea and I were in it. So we have our small amount of behind the scenes memories that we share, but really it's just three women hanging out.

[Lauren Everts]

Before you go, you have to tell us your best tip for parenting because you've obviously raised a daughter who's smart.

[Teri Hatcher]

Thank you.

[Lauren Everts]

You mentioned she went to Brown.

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah. She's pretty incredible.

[Lauren Everts]

Sounds adjusted.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, well adjusted.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Teri Hatcher]

What's the tips? Okay, I'll give you one that I remember that I think is conscious. And I. And, and we were talking about food. So I think it applies to food. Very early on, I decided I did not. I wanted to try to help. Help raise a daughter that didn't have a problem with food. Like a, like an association with food that leads to bad things. And. And so I, I really consciously tried to never do the if. Then like, if you do your homework, you can have a piece of candy. If you fall down, you can have an ice cream. It. I tried to. I went the total opposite. I would be like, here's some M and Ms. Nothing happened. You know what I mean? Like, like. And like, let's eat broccoli or let's have pancakes for dinner. Like, I tried to disassociate emotion from food and that paid off in a really big way. My daughter's really healthy, but she's not, like, too healthy. You know, she just has a very good relationship with food and exercise and her own self image.

[Michael Bostic]

That's great advice.

[Lauren Everts]

It's a great tip. I literally use Skittle. Skittles. Like, like money. So I need to, like, work on that. I'm all, if you stop, I might think of giving you a Skittle. So I'm gonna take that advice and apply it.

[Teri Hatcher]

My Other thing that she would tell you that stuck with her, which I think is the only. It's important because it stuck with her. I used to tell her when she was in sort of like later grade school and early high school and when kids start to have massive stress about testing and judging, you know, did I get an A? Whatever. And I used to tell her, a test is only a reflection of what you knew, that. Of what you were able to demonstrate that you knew in that hour. It's not a reflection of your future success, your future happiness, what you might be capable of. That is the window of information. It's telling you. And that's all it is. It doesn't mean it's not important. It doesn't mean that you should know. Like, oh, you got a D. Okay, so what's been reflected to you is that in that hour you were not able to communicate that you knew that information and you can do with that what you want. Maybe you need to study that information more to get a better handle on it or whatever, but lots of children let it reflect on their personal value. Let it reflect on their future capabilities.

[Lauren Everts]

What happened to you?

[Michael Bostic]

What do you mean, what happened to me?

[Lauren Everts]

Meaning like, you just got a D and you were like, eh.

[Michael Bostic]

My father was like, listen, the. The. The lower the letter is in the Alphabet, the worse it's gonna. I'm just kidding.

[Teri Hatcher]

The bigger the letter.

[Michael Bostic]

No, I was the worst in school. I unfortunately did not feel enough pressure.

[Lauren Everts]

You know, you had enough Saturday schools.

[Teri Hatcher]

So that my daughter would say that. That seemed to help her, that even in her adult life when, like, she gets desperate, you know, get some job or whatever, that she's able to sort of compute that in a way that doesn't chip away at her personal value.

[Lauren Everts]

She sounds fabulous.

[Teri Hatcher]

You'd love her, you guys, she'd love you. She'd love you. And. Yeah, we've covered a lot of ground. Next time you come to la, before.

[Lauren Everts]

We go, can you. I would love that, yeah. Before we go, can you just say to my daughter in your Caroline voice, something.

[Teri Hatcher]

Coral.

[Michael Bostic]

Coraline.

[Teri Hatcher]

Coraline. Yes. What. What should I say?

[Lauren Everts]

What's her name? Zaza.

[Teri Hatcher]

Zaza. Yeah, like Z A. Z A, Z A, Z A. Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

Maybe you can tell her. What should she tell her? She's five. Tell her what you would tell your five year old.

[Michael Bostic]

She's almost six.

[Teri Hatcher]

Well, let's see. Oh my gosh, no. I'm so on the spot.

[Michael Bostic]

Listen, she's not tuning in right. We're gonna have to play.

[Lauren Everts]

We're Gonna play it for her?

[Teri Hatcher]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. Does she. Does she do anything like. Do you want me to say something like, she.

[Lauren Everts]

You.

[Teri Hatcher]

She should. She should listen to her mom and her dad or.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah. And also she should eat her eggs. Tell her.

[Teri Hatcher]

Okay. Okay, Zaza, I want to make sure that you eat your eggs and listen to your parents.

[Michael Bostic]

We're going to show her the movie.

[Lauren Everts]

And then we're going to Emerson. If you're listening. You're so lucky. I would love to meet you when you're in la. Your mom is fabulous. You really are.

[Michael Bostic]

You've done it all.

[Teri Hatcher]

You have done it.

[Lauren Everts]

Where can everyone find your podcast? Follow you on Instagram, watch your series all the Things.

[Teri Hatcher]

Okay, so on Instagram, I'm under official Terri Hatcher, and that's where you can see what I'm up to in life. And if you want to tune into my sandwich series where I talk about caregiving and making gourmet sandwiches. And my podcast is called Desperately Devoted, and it can be found on Apple or Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Lauren Everts]

Which recipe should they start with on your Instagram?

[Teri Hatcher]

Oh, wow. The tuna melt was a very big hit. It.

[Lauren Everts]

Ooh, I love a tuna melt.

[Teri Hatcher]

Closely followed by the egg sandwich for breakfast and then the meatball sub.

[Lauren Everts]

Did you hear that? Yeah, that sounds good. I'm going to go look at it right now. Thank you for coming on the show.

[Teri Hatcher]

Thank you for having me. It was so nice to meet you in Austin. I'm so happy to be in Austin.