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The Science of Aging Well: Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson On Longevity Tips & Lifespan, & Living Well
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#815: Join us as we sit down with Dr. Stephanie Venn-Watson – CEO of Fatty15, & a seasoned veterinary epidemiologist & public health scientist, who previously served at the World Health Organization & U.S. Navy. After years of research...
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Michael Bostick
The following podcast is a Dear Media production.
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Lauren Everts
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Michael Bostick
She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.
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Lauren Everts
Fantastic.
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Michael Bostick
And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie. And now, Lauren Everts and Michael Bostick are bringing you along for the ride.
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Lauren Everts
Get ready for some major realness.
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Michael Bostick
Welcome to the Skinny Confidential. Him and her. Hello everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential him and her show. Today we have a truly special guest rejoining us. Dr. Stephanie Van Watson, a groundbreaking researcher whose work has been changing the way we think about aging and longevity. You may remember her from our previous conversation where we explored her fascinating work with Navy bottlenose dolphins. It was through this research that Dr. Van Watson made an extraordinary discovery. The health benefits of C15, a unique fatty acid that could hold the key to healthier aging. Today we're diving into her highly anticipated new book, the Longevity Nutrient, where she uncovers how C15 and other discoveries can revolutionize the way we live and age. So for anyone that's looking to live healthier, live longer, and discover things that we could be doing to make ourselves feel better and age more gracefully. This episode is for you. Welcome back to the show. Dr. Stephanie Van Watson. This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her.
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Lauren Everts
Dr. Stephanie, you're back. What is the biggest misconception? What do people get wrong about longevity?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
I think that one of the biggest misconceptions is that longevity is just living as long as possible, absent health. And so it's really funny that when you talk to People, you'll see a lot of them actually say, I don't want longevity. No, thank you. I don't want to live forever. Because they're thinking, I'm going to live a long time, but I'm just going to have more years of being sick. And so it's really interesting. That whole world is changing. So a big misconception is living longer just means eventually I'm going to get sick and then I'm going to be sitting around and suffering for a long time. There's a whole new world now where longevity equals living healthier longer and we get to enjoy our lives a lot longer.
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Michael Bostick
It's like the distinction between lifespan and health span. Those two worlds are merging together.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
That's exactly right, yeah.
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Michael Bostick
Because unfortunately I had a grandmother and she lived I think till like 96, but she was unfortunately diagnosed. Diagnosed with dementia, Alzheimer's. And so like 20 years of that, honestly, after she retired, which is why I'm never gonna retire, was kind of spending not the best quality.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Right.
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Michael Bostick
I think that's what a lot of people fear, something like that.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Exactly. And we're all seeing it. Right. So especially when we talk about dementias and Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, that we're witnessing this and so we're. There are a lot of people are saying no thank you to longevity. But again, just a brave new world, exciting new world, where, you know, the science is advancing, where exactly we can have our health span extended so that we can live longer and enjoy the entirety of that life.
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Lauren Everts
With all your research that you've done, what do you think are the keys to living better if you're going to live longer?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah. So the keys to living better. So there are specific criteria. So there's actually seven criteria, must haves of a longevity enabler, whether that's exercise, diet or pills. Right. When we talk about like rapamycin or metformin, and those seven very quickly are the ability to tap into what's called the human regulating pathway, longevity pathway. The ability to target hallmarks of aging. This is how we age at the cellular level. Evidence that we can slow the rate at which we age. The ability to have clinically meaningful benefits within weeks or months. The ability to prevent the onset of diseases that kill us. So we talk about cancer, Alzheimer's disease, type 2 diabetes, and fatty liver disease and heart disease. And then the last two are the simplest, but they're actually the most difficult. And that is interventions that help to. In which we can do them reliably and have access to them throughout our whole lives and have them be safe. So when you put in all of those together, if you have something in which you can do that, can do all of that, Lauren, that's something that's called. It's like the holy grail of healthy aging and longevity. And that's called the geroprotector. It's not a very sexy word, but geroprotector is something that protects us against the onset of these chronic diseases that in the end take us down.
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Michael Bostick
So I want to get very focused with you on this episode. Not that we weren't before, but for people who are just being introduced to Dr. Stephanie, we did a whole episode. I don't remember the number off the top of my head, but if you just look it up, Dr. Stephanie Van Watson and the Skinny Confidential, you'll see it in our shows. And we talked all about everything that you're doing with Fatty 15 and the groundbreaking discoveries that you found with dolphins and all this. People should go back and listen to that episode. I think this is a continuation kind of sorts of that conversation. You didn't have the book at that time, but you hinted at it. Now you have the longevity nutrient. So to kick it off, why did you decide to write this book?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
So I was asked. Simon and Schuster actually reached out. They were watching. We have a blog that comes out every week, a healthy aging blog. And they were kind of witnessing the science, all the science that was coming out about C15, but also just longevity in general. And amazingly, they reached out and said stuff. We would love for you to write a book about longevity. And so, you know, eight, 10, 12 months later, here it is.
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Michael Bostick
And what is different about this book that people will find interesting compared to some of the other things that have come out in the space? Because obviously this topic is now becoming a big topic. You have people like Brian Johnson and Peter Attia. And this is what I'm excited about is people are really putting a focus on this. But what makes this one different?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah, it is a super hot space, right? Talking about longevity, what's different about this one was really had to do a lot with serendipity and in which, you know, we're understanding where the science is, where we can understand how we can live longer. These must haves of a longevity, nutrient and molecule which people are understanding. And those are covered in a lot of these other books. There's a lot of consistency there. What's unique about this book is this was an accidental discovery that while a lot of research looking into how we can Live longer. What are interventions we can do are based on short lived species like mice, worms and flies. And then you're saying, okay, well we helped a worm live two weeks instead of one week, therefore we doubled its lifespan. And how can that apply to improving our longevity? This book focuses on an accidental discovery as we talked about in long lived large brain mammals, dolphins. And what we're able to do is that this book walks through this fascinating 20 year adventure and journey where we made this discovery in dolphins. It allowed us to basically jump, have C15, this discovery jump to the front of the line. Because if you think about it, you know, nature has already unlocked longevity. We already live 37 times longer than a mouse, so why start with short lived species? Let's figure out how evolution has enabled us to live longer than a mouse, worm or fly like humans and dolphins have and optimize it from there. So it just provides a whole new perspective into longevity. And the last part of is the book includes not just our research on C15, the discoveries from dolphins, but now wonderfully, it's just the tale of the research that unfolded throughout the world from dozens and dozens of labs.
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Lauren Everts
When you were researching this subject, you mentioned broad things, but from a more granular level. What are things that people can do today to improve their longevity?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Okay, so there's the basics because I gotta say em right so because it would be amiss to not remiss to not say it. So exercise we all understand is being able to move, number one. Number two is obviously a healthy diet. Staying away from especially pro inflammatory foods that, you know, increase pro inflammatory state and accelerate aging. Getting good sleep and making sure that we maintain sleep and increasingly an appreciation for socialization that when people stop socializing and stop having a sense of community and purpose, then that can shorten lives.
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Michael Bostick
You know, it's so funny is like I think it's relevant to cover the basics because I was talking to Lauren the other day and I was saying, listen, I don't want to hear about seed oils and EMFs and fluoride in the water and all these things which are relevant to look at from somebody who hasn't got their sleep order, their sleeping order, hasn't managed their personal relationships, doesn't exercise and get metabolically in shape. Like you got to do those things before we worry about WI Fi radiation frying your brain, you know what I mean?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Like that's exactly right.
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Michael Bostick
And I'm not saying that to diminish those discoveries or spaces or people that are calling things like that to attention but you, you know, you kind of. There's some things that we can do to kind of mitigate against some of those things that if you're not doing it, kind of makes the other stuff moot.
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Lauren Everts
I did just buy an EMF protector blanket, though.
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Michael Bostick
Yeah, fine.
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Lauren Everts
But I do have EMF protector rocks in my drawers next to our bed that you don't know about.
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Michael Bostick
But let me just say, like.
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Lauren Everts
And I do have an EMF sticker.
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Michael Bostick
On my phone, but that's what you do. But like, if somebody's sleeping three hours a night and saying their hormones are out of control and it's because of the fluoride in the water or because of EMFs coming from wi Fi, I'm like, well, let's first get seven to eight hours and then we'll look at the other side.
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Lauren Everts
What did you find, though, in. In with supplements? Like, what did you find was really important to living longer?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Right. So interestingly, when we look at, when we talk about those seven criteria of a longevity enhancing molecule, then the leaders of the ones that are on the top of that leaderboard before C15 science came along, they're all drugs. So it's rapamycin, metformin, acarbo. So all of these are prescription drugs that basically have been repurposed and evaluated in which they have found like, oh, gosh, in addition to treating these diseases, we're actually finding they have these multiple effects that check off the boxes until you get to the last two criteria. Right. Which is, especially with rapamycin, the ability to safely take it over long periods of time. That's proving out to be less true.
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Lauren Everts
It sounds very similar to semi glutide.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah, that is right.
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Lauren Everts
It's. Metformin is on the same frequency as that. It's like, it sounds like it does a lot of things short term wise, but we really don't know what it does long term wise. So it's kind of a catch 22, isn't it?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
It is exactly, Lauren. So we're gaining insights into how we tap into these various longevity pathways, how we slow down cellular aging. And when they put them into the lab, you know, they're working well. And then when we look at them early studies in humans, it's looking promising. But the problem with drugs is that drugs are used long time among people who are ill and have a disease. What we don't know, Lauren, to the point that you're making, is we don't know necessarily how that plays out in people who are otherwise healthy. So working through and that's where C15 comes in with regard to. This is a molecule, an odd chain saturated fatty acid that every mammal gets from birth right in milk. And that we've now come to understand strengthens cells and helps enable longevity. What we had talked about, and this is something that you know, we're meant to get throughout our whole lives. And so we know that it's safe and that it's actually a molecule that we've evolved to use to enable longevity. Not we, but nature has.
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Michael Bostick
Well, I told you when you walked in that I've been taking fatty 15, C15 since we met that day. So I don't know how many, I don't know how many days that's been, but it's gotta be close to like 75 or 90, maybe longer, I don't know. But I feel great. And again, people should go back and listen to that full episode to get the full context. I, I wonder, based on your research, I don't know if you have this data or not, how much weight is applied to longevity pending our genetics versus our lifestyle versus, you know, our environment. Like are there some people that have certain genetics where it's like they're going to live a really long time compared to others? Is it some like hey, you're going to shorten that based on an environment like do you have data that shows that?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah, it's a great question. So there are data that show that. So I'll share those versus what I have had one lifetime thus far. So share what others have worked on too. But we do know genetics absolutely plays a role in a lot of things we know. Like for example, Eric, my husband's mom lived, grandmother lived to 104 and his mom is, she's out there skiing a black diamond skis and she's 80. So Eric's got, he's got a really good chance living a long time because of genes even genes even have a factor on things like the gold standard for what can help things live longer is fasting. So fasting actually creates that whole human longevity regulating pathway that if we fasted so we decrease our calories to like 1200 or 1000 a day, which isn't sustainable, not recommended. You theoretically would live longer.
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Michael Bostick
So and in what window? Like are you suggesting. Because people are gonna want to know detail.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah, so that is, it's actually not recommended. So what they do is they've done this in this is the short lived animal models and so they've been able to show reliably that whether you're a Worm, a mouse, a fly and even a dog. If a dog is fed less that it can extend its lifespan by like six months. So which is meaningful if you have a dog. Yeah, I'll take them six months. Right. So they've shown that even this gold standard pathway for longevity, even that. A paper just came out this last, over the last couple of months showing that even that is driven by genetics. So your genetics determine how. Well, even something like fasting will influence how much it impacts your longevity. That's for, you know, Dr. Nick Schork, he's head of the NIH's longevity consortium. And, and Nick came in and what he was excited about with C15 is he said it's absent of genetic influence. And he said if you have something that's an essential fatty acid, so it's an essential nutrient that every mammal, and now we're even realizing worms and mice need in order to develop and grow and live, then it is absent of genetic influence. And there's a big study that was done looking at genes and C15 and it showed that there was no genetic predisposition to how well C15 worked. So it's really interesting. And undoubtedly environment has a huge impact. What we eat, what we drink has a huge impact. And that's where the dolphins really became a fascinating patient population because they were absent a lot of those risk factors. They aren't eating ultra processed foods, they're exercising every day. They have the same level of healthcare. And yet we were seeing some dolphins developing these age related diseases, including Alzheimer's, including fatty liver disease, hyperglycemia. So we had some developing these diseases and some not despite being in the same environment. So that's where we were able to learn a lot about aging from them.
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Lauren Everts
Are you seeing any like copycats or claims being made that are maybe trying to be like C15 on the market or is there really nothing like it?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
We've had people. Yeah, we have had that.
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Lauren Everts
What do you do? Because you guys have.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
You can see I'm stepping carefully. Yeah, that is a sign of success, right?
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Lauren Everts
It absolutely is.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
When, when you have reached the point where there are others that are, you know, doing a copycat.
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Lauren Everts
I just want our audience to know what to look out for because you do a, it's a very specific thing that you do. Like is there things that they, you should caution them against when they're buying this?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
I guess that's a. Thank you, Lauren. That's a really good point. That there is something very specific which was surprising for us. So it's C15 is also called pentadecanoic acid. It sounds a lot like pantothenoic acid. Which pantothenoic acid is actually vitamin B5 which is completely different molecule, completely different functions. And there have been some not intentional mistakes of thinking that vitamin B5 is the same as this C15. So just for everyone to know that it's a completely different molecule. C15 really has stood out as again the whole what earned the title of the longevity nutrient of being able to have all of this robust data from epidemiological studies, cell based studies and now clinical trials all supporting its role.
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Lauren Everts
If you were to explain to a kindergartner why you think it's the longevity nutrient, what would you say?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
That we as long lived species have evolved to use C15 to make ourselves stronger, which help us live longer.
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Lauren Everts
And so when you take it it increases your lifespan? Essentially, yes.
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Michael Bostick
I was saying okay, so I've been taking the product and we are in the sick season especially we have young kids that are in school and they bring home the plague every other day.
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Lauren Everts
It's unbeliev. They're done sick with sick.
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Michael Bostick
It's another sick parents out there with young kids starting school. Like I like, I can't like I can't believe some of the things they bring home. It's just. And how frequently like you think like and they recover quick.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Oh yeah.
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Lauren Everts
But the parents, I also like kiss them on the lips and like people get mad on his social. I love kissing my kids on the lips and the cheeks and the face.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
And they're also so sweet when they're sick.
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Lauren Everts
They want to cuddle with you. I just am like, well, but you haven't gotten sick. No, no.
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Michael Bostick
So what I was going to say and I told you out there, I have not been sick one time in probably six months and my entire household and everyone around me has been sick. And I keep thinking like if I.
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Lauren Everts
Have to hear about you being sick on top of the children being sick, I'll just.
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Michael Bostick
But. And I'm not doing anything differently other than I'm like I'm taking this and I was wondering if this is again like maybe it's just like mind over matter. But I'm like, okay, if my inflammation is so down then my body's got an even stronger chance. And I wonder if there's any validity.
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Lauren Everts
This is the narrat in the car, his inflammation is so down that he doesn't get sick.
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Michael Bostick
Because you would think is that a thing? Like I'm next to my wife and I'm next to my kids and I'm not like guarding myself. And I'm like, okay, here it comes. And it just never comes. I'm like, either I've gotten out of.
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Lauren Everts
That phase or you've gotten out of the phase of getting sick.
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Michael Bostick
Well, I don't know, maybe. But I'm wondering if this research and this.
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Lauren Everts
Unbelievable. You're not like Batman.
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Michael Bostick
Yeah, well, maybe now if the C15 does anything to create better resilience for the body to fight off viral illnesses or if that's. If this is just my mind.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
So a couple of things. So it's yes and no as far as is the science there. So yes, absolutely. Lots of studies showing that it's anti inflammatory with regard to. It calms down an overactive immune system. Which when you have an overactive immune system, you're setting yourself up for hyperreactivity to problems. Like for example, when people got Covid, the danger came at the end when they. You developed these cytokine storms right in the lungs. And then you're basically your pro inflammatory state has these big storms and that's what caused the end stage. Really scary time. And so things that were anti inflammatory were basically the target of that. I'm not saying take C15 to avoid Covid or it's downstream complications, but it's just an example of inflammation and viral infections we do know. And so being able to have a balanced immune system, Michael, is critical to be able to fight off infections. There's great studies that have been coming out again from other folks showing that C15 has antimicrobial properties. So it actually effectively can stop the growth of pathogenic bad bacteria and fungi, interestingly, same way rapamycin does. And there is one study which is a little bit of a stepchild, but it does show that people with higher C15 who had dengue fever, which is a virus, are less likely to develop severe forms of it. So it's association. But a lot of interesting work being.
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Michael Bostick
Done in that because then I was even wondering, I'm like, I was like, I wonder if the tickle's coming on. I'm like, no, my body just shut it down right away. You know what I mean?
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Lauren Everts
You know what's so great?
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Michael Bostick
She's just mad that she got sick.
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Lauren Everts
And I think it's just amazing how he has to narrate this to me. Like there's a whole narration that it's like an inner monologue that I have to hear in the car. So it's like Huh. I wonder why I'm not sick today. You're sick. I think it's because my inflammation levels are so low. I took Is it healthy in a marriage? It's a whole narration. It's like I literally am in his brain 24 7.
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Michael Bostick
Is it healthy in a marriage to compete on immune systems? I don't know.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
I think I. I think it's good to have a little competition. But Lauren's creating life, so it's true. You're. You kind of. You're. You're at.
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Lauren Everts
My favorite thing is when he goes, what's wrong with you? Why are you so tired?
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Michael Bostick
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
So this is a great question based upon, and the answer, which is evolving is based upon a whole suite of studies that have been done in the last year from entirely independent, different teams. These are teams in Canada, in France, and trying to think of where the last one is, but they're following cohorts of pregnant moms from their third trimester, following them through baby being born and then following that child through 6 years old. And these studies are showing that the more C15 mom has from her diet, the more she has in her body, especially by eating cheese. So cheese is a specific food that they've shown in those studies.
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Lauren Everts
I love cheese.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
So there you go, you just got your go for it card. And then so then from there, the more C15 mom has with regard to the fetus, the better body growth, better head circumference, which is a sign of brain growth, and the better size of the body. So not just how much it grows, but the size of the body, this translates over to the infant. And so the more C15 mom has in her body, the more she has in her milk. And so the more baby gets from mom's milk, then the better that baby grows and develops. And these studies that follow infants and children out to six years old are showing that these six year olds have better overall cognitive development of language skills and cognition scores than others. These are associations. But at the same time, there have been really exciting studies coming out, doing these gold standard studies in rodents where they are able to do more experimental things in which they make the mom C15 deficient, the mama rat or mouse, and then the baby is born C15 deficient, it has deficiency, poor growth. And when they give that new mouse or rat C15, it fixes the deficiency and they get back, they catch up to normal. So it's a really exciting time. So we talk about longevity, we're talking about their earliest stages of life and the concern and the urgency around C15 deficiencies that more and more people, including pregnant moms, have low C15. And how is that translating to, you know, the baby being born all the way through the rest of their life? We're seeing a lot of, you know, increased onset of type 2 diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, fatty liver disease in younger and younger people. And the question is, given, I think what we shared last time, knowing that lower C15 creates a nutritional deficiency syndrome called cellular fragility syndrome that accelerates aging. And so are we doing this at the youngest years? So it's really a big part of the book is to help increase awareness of all the science behind it. Not just ours, but others. And just really get conversations like this going.
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Lauren Everts
You guys should do a gummy for kids.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
You're right.
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Lauren Everts
Please do a gummy. Because my kids are 2 and 4 and they can't take a pill or even a tablet.
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Michael Bostick
Not. It doesn't have to be.
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Lauren Everts
If it's like, yeah, a tablet, they could suck. I. I tried to get them to take a pill the other day. They looked at me like, what are you talking to the 2 year old? I'm like, you put it in your mouth and you take a sip and swallow. And he was like, what is this talking about?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
You've got the same with our six.
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Lauren Everts
Then I started sprinkling it. You don't even know this. In their pancakes and opening it up and putting it in their pancakes. Because I'm like, it's something. But if you could do a gummy, it would be so efficient.
- [30:47]
Michael Bostick
Even like a pill. Anyways, you got figured out.
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Lauren Everts
I would love a gummy. I'm just saying.
- [30:52]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
All right.
- [30:53]
Lauren Everts
Well, I really would love like a raspberry. Yeah, I like a flavor.
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Michael Bostick
On that note, for adults or people that, okay, they're listening and they say, wait a minute, I want my C. Maybe we covered this a bit on the last episode. I want my C15 level strong. Are they able to like replete or re. You know, calibrate their.
- [31:14]
Lauren Everts
You didn't ask that. I want to know that they have low.
- [31:17]
Michael Bostick
Say you should be at X level. And they're low because they don't have their diet or lifestyle factors. Can they start to build that level back up? And I wonder if this period of time that I've been taking it, if I've built back up.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah, there's a great chance. So we absolutely know that by taking these are based upon four different clinical trials in humans that if you take more of eat more C15. And these clinical trials were on the pure C15 supplement. But the same counts for food too. If you eat more C15, your C15.
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Lauren Everts
Levels will go up, which are what foods?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
So a dairy fat. So for the most part, dairy fat is by far our leading source of C15 from food. The upside of it is that we know it's pretty reliable in dairy fat. We talked a little bit about, like, if cows are fed corn, they have half as much C15 in their fat than cows fed grass. So their influence is there. But getting whole dairy fat is a really good source of C15, especially in our younger years. So think about mammals. All mammals drink milk, right, when they're babies, and then at some point they stop eating dairy. Right. So no other species, except for us mammalian species, really keeps eating dairy. And so what we're learning is that there are pluses and minuses to dairy over long periods of time. And that's why the Navy funded us for 10 years to basically say, can you take this molecule C15, find a way to optimize it, make it bioavailable and take away all the complications of dairy fat? There's over 400 fatty acids in dairy fat. Only 1% of those are C15. 40% are pro inflammatory. So it's like, how can you take this good fat and then make it, you know, readily but optimize it so we can get those levels? So yes, we can take C15 razor levels. Your doctor can test for your C15 levels. There's even an at home C15 test to see basically where you're at.
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Lauren Everts
How quickly can they do that?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
So your C15 levels can go up as early as in within two weeks. Oh, wow.
- [33:22]
Lauren Everts
Okay.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah. So it's very quick response. Our bodies were really think of us like sponges and we're just ready to get that C15 into our bodies.
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Michael Bostick
So quick follow up. Can I take too much to the point like where you like, you know, if you have Too much vitamin D3 or too many B, can you do that?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
There isn't too much. As far as there have been. There's been no evidence that taking you could take too much C15 with it being a health risk or risk factor. So it's a great question, Michael. There are some studies supporting that there's like a maximum benefit. So it's almost like if you, once you get too much or too high, you're not gaining any more benefit from it. And so that's this, you know, when we look at these levels that's, you know, around this in our blood, this 50 micromolar level, our ranges are usually between 10 and 50 micromolars in our blood. Once you get above that, it's, there's not really. Which is why we always.
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Michael Bostick
It's not harmful.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah, it's not harmful.
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Michael Bostick
Like it's not like you take too many B vitamins or too much iron or too like you, you don't get to a point where it's like, hey, you're imbalancing.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah. No evidence to support. Okay, yeah, no evidence to support that.
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Lauren Everts
Whenever I do my skincare routine, I want my skin to look like dolphin skin. You know, that kind of skin, how.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
It'S like, how your skin looks.
- [34:33]
Lauren Everts
Well, thank you. I'll take it. That's why I've always wanted to touch and ride a dolphin.
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Michael Bostick
I'm not going back into this because.
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Lauren Everts
No, I just. That's why. Because their skin is so beautiful. Do you think that this. The. Obviously, like, they have that skin, but do you think that part of it is because they have so much C15? Does it affect your skin and beauty benefits?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
It very well may. And we know that when people take C15, that it gets. All of our cells are meant to have a certain amount. 0.2% of every cell membrane should have C15 in it. And C15 is this sturdy fatty acid that helps keep them stable and strong. So this includes our skin cells. And if you think about the biggest problem a lot of people have with skin is it gets irritated and dry, which feeds inflammation, and then that helps it's not able to maintain its moisture. And that's a common underlying manifestation of nutritional deficiencies in general. This includes the Omega 3s, Omega 6, but C15 as well.
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Michael Bostick
I noticed when you were talking about dolphin skin, you were looking at Lauren and then you said irritated and dry and looked directly at me.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah. Oh, sorry about that.
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Lauren Everts
Yeah, sorry.
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Michael Bostick
Edit this part out of the show.
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Lauren Everts
Did you put this?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah. No. You also have beautiful skin, Michael.
- [35:49]
Lauren Everts
Yeah, he works at it, right? He works really well.
- [35:51]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Because we're talking about inflammation. Just to clarify. Just to clarify.
- [35:56]
Lauren Everts
You wouldn't believe it. He steals my skincare out of my drawer, and I catch, like, him having my vitamin C, my colostrum serum, like my oil, all kinds of things.
- [36:05]
Michael Bostick
Hey, listen, if I get the information, I will. I will follow the protocol.
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Lauren Everts
I will.
- [36:08]
Michael Bostick
I will follow the instructions.
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Lauren Everts
You. I would like to know what the key changes are needed in how society approaches aging. What are some things that need to be changed?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Oh, boy. That's a big question. Yes, I'm sure there are a couple of things. I mean, that's a. If we go bigger scale with regard to how we approach aging. Right. Is that aging should be nothing but good. Right. If we removed the increased risk of disease and our breakdown with age right then. And you left how many years you're getting in experience in life and you continue to be healthy, then the back half of our life should be amazing. Right. When you have that time. And I'm bragging about it now because I'm 52 and enjoying it very much so. Our kid is 16 years old now. And, you know, and I loved those first 50. Those first 50 years. But the ability for us to approach aging as something that we want. We want to be able to lean in and be able to do the things. And, you know, one way that's a good way to think about it is Lauren and Michael, if I asked you if you had an extra two hours every single day, guaranteed two free, guilt, guilt free hours of time, what would you do with it?
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Lauren Everts
I want to hear what you do.
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Michael Bostick
Two hours guilt free time.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
I don't know.
- [37:39]
Michael Bostick
Some pretty good video games out right now.
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Lauren Everts
No, you are. You're being serious.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah, it could be.
- [37:43]
Lauren Everts
It. I mean, do not lie.
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Michael Bostick
I would honestly probably spend, you know, I would probably spend that time a little bit more on myself now. That being said.
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Lauren Everts
Wow.
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Michael Bostick
I'm being honest.
- [37:57]
Lauren Everts
Wow.
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Michael Bostick
I've got two kids. Listen, I'm being honest. I got two. I've got two kids under five, another on the way. I've got a business, I've got team members. We do the show.
- [38:10]
Lauren Everts
A wife, you know, we got.
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Michael Bostick
I've got a wife. And so a lot of my energy goes into those buckets first. And I, I work myself in. But if I had two uninterrupted hours, I would probably be doing, you know, more time for myself.
- [38:23]
Lauren Everts
Wow.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
So that's good. Lauren, what about you?
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Lauren Everts
We're gonna say, I want to answer, but I'm gonna get really selfish. I would definitely read for one of those hours.
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Michael Bostick
That's for yourself.
- [38:33]
Lauren Everts
Yep, that's right. And the other hour, I would probably spend it with my family.
- [38:40]
Michael Bostick
Yeah.
- [38:44]
Lauren Everts
Michael is very cerebral, introspective, needs a lot of time to recharge.
- [38:51]
Michael Bostick
Yeah.
- [38:51]
Lauren Everts
By himself. He's always. You've been like that since you were 12 years old. I know when to step off the gas. That's honestly why I think the key to our marriage is I know when to just give him some space. I let him go up to his cupboard upstairs.
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Michael Bostick
There's a lot of. There's a lot of inner work that needs to take place for me, to me to take on.
- [39:13]
Lauren Everts
Great. I could use a break. I can be a break. That's self care for me. Get away.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
I think that's where. And so the point, you know, the point of this being is that everybody has an answer pretty quickly.
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Lauren Everts
What's your answer?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
And so mine's super dorky. And I don't know, two hours, maybe for at least a half an a day. I would do origami. And I just. Because it's like it's mind. I just love the idea of just taking a piece of paper and folding it and creating something, and it's just origami. That's a good one for me. And I love doing it. And yet I never do origami because I never have enough time. So the bigger picture point is being able to walk yourself through that question is saying, well, then the whole point of longevity is to have more time to do the things we love. And so aging should actually be celebrated, in which the further we get along in the years, the more time hopefully we have for ourselves to be able to enjoy all of those things that we want to do. And that's where really aging needs to be focused. And that then means helping us as we get older, ensuring we have community, ensuring we have opportunities for exercise and quality of life, all so we can help answer that question for you. I mean, which.
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Michael Bostick
Yeah, I get. Exactly. I mean, I guess what I'm saying is, like, I. The reason it's not family or business or these other things is because I feel like I put those things as the priorities right now. And also I take care of myself. I do things. But if I'm being dead honest and I had like an extra two hours where all of those other things were satisfied, like, I played with my kids and I've spent time with my wife and I've done my responsibilities of the company, like, I'd probably say, okay, like, selfishly, then once those things are done, if I had an extra two hours, I'd probably be like, hey, look, do something else.
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Lauren Everts
For me, it would do nothing to do with my phone. Oh, that's a big way. I'm so sick of my phone. By the end of the night, I notice that even in the morning, I find it to be such a disruptive distraction. And the longer I have it, the more disruptive I find it. I almost get grossed out by it.
- [41:10]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
I know what you're talking about. And it just becomes a cycle that you. And so it's just as we need to. I feel like we need to rethink aging. And then we can say, okay, what would I want to be able to do later in life? And then even being able to bring that back around to say, well, why can't I make that time happen now? Because, you know, we've got one. We've got one life. And so it's just being able to Kind of think about it almost, you know, kind of backtracking to say what's best, what would I love to do in the future? And then why can I incorporate?
- [41:40]
Lauren Everts
You need to be doing more origami.
- [41:41]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
I need to be doing.
- [41:42]
Lauren Everts
Exactly.
- [41:43]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
And why am I not like, it's just. And so it's just, get her some more, mommy.
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Lauren Everts
That's a great thing.
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Michael Bostick
As you were asking the question, and it's a pretty deep, enlightening question, actually, for people to think about. I was thinking as I was gonna answer, I'm like, well, if my. I thought, like, I went in my brain for a while, and I was like, if my answer was, I need to spend more time with my kids, it's probably an indication that I'm not doing that enough right now. But. But. And. Or if I need. Or if the answer was like, I better spend time with my wife. But the point is, I think if people think about that question, and that is like, maybe their answer is something that maybe they could recalibrate and put the focus into now. I actually think that in a weird way, it's good to see I'd spend more time myself because I'm focused on a lot of the things that are very important. Like, I don't have the, oh, I need to spend more time with my kids. I spend a lot of time with my kids, you know, or with my wife. I'm not saying I'm so great, but I was just. I was just thinking, as people, like, it would be a shame if you're like, oh, I wish I could spend more time with my wife, which would indicate that I don't spend time with her.
- [42:36]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah, it makes sense. And you're in a big, like, another big purpose of writing the book, the longevity nutrient. It's, yes, it shares science, and, yes, there's a whole lot of it in there in the adventure and the journey of the discovery around C15 and understanding how longevity works and how do we discover these molecules. It's also the hope is it inspires people to say, like, gosh, you know, this is the life I've been given. I was able to have this amazing opportunity to pursue my passion, to fight for it and, you know, that's living and to help inspire others to say that, do the same. Do the same with your life. Because, you know, and then how wonderful that C15 can help people do just that.
- [43:22]
Michael Bostick
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Lauren Everts
With all the developments that are coming out in all this, the science and the social media and even like the amazing technology, celebrity facelifts that you can't even tell, like, what does the future of aging look like in your opinion as a whole? And I'm talking about looks, I'm talking about brain, I'm talking about dis. Ease, everything.
- [48:33]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
I think that it would be naive to say that we're not going to be continuing to focus on the external aesthetics as we age. I think that that area is going to continue to grow and do just fine. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I think increasingly physicians and healthcare providers and individuals are going to better understand there's more ownership they can take. There are some things out of our control, like genetics, but there are more things we can control that can help us from the inside, right? The ability to help delay the onset of aging, to help enjoy our lives. Cognitive health is a huge one, right? Because even when we think about longevity and we say even if we're physically able to do things, if mentally we're not, we're kind of stuck in that same situation. So being able to focus more on how to preserve just as much of our cognitive health as our physical health is really just going to be critical to, you know, to protecting, enjoying the benefits of aging without the deficits.
- [49:44]
Lauren Everts
Why have we not seen C15 in more places? Is there just like not enough education on it? Like, why is it not. I'm just making this up, but why is it not like an add on. On your IV if you get an IV vitamin bag? Why is it. Is it. I know you guys have it patented, but is that why it's.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
It's really learned? I think it's just, it's. There's been barriers up from society that have prevented the large. There are over 100 studies on the benefits of C15 from research, prestigious research teams throughout the world for longevity. For longevity, all in Support of all of this. It all adds up. So it activates AMPK and inhibits MTOR. It hits six different hallmarks of aging. It has meaningful benefits within 12 weeks with regard to metabolic, liver and heart health. We have large scale epidemiological studies from different populations all over the world showing people with higher C15 have a lower risk of having these conditions. And now these studies on the young. So the way nick Schork. Right, Dr. Schork. Put it is there is no molecule that has more robust data on its role as a longevity enabler than C15. And he's seen all of it. He runs the NIH longevity consortium. The barrier has been C15 is a saturated fatty acid that's present in dairy fat. And it's. We have been so we've been taught for so long that all saturated fats are bad and to purposely avoid butter and avoid whole fat milk because it has saturated fat. That the science is all there. It's just really hard for people to like understand that. The dolphins helped us look at saturated fast with a different angle and now others all around the world have looked at it. So it's really. The scientific world is now understanding it. So we've now had. There have been three different groups around the world that have used gold standard studies to actually show that C15 indeed is an essential fatty acid. Which means our bodies have to have certain levels of it to maintain our health. That is, it's the first essential fatty acid to be discovered in 90 years. So the science is now there. So now it's about translating that science into physicians. We have a growing physician base who are becoming huge advocates of it. Dr. Mark Hyman, Dr. Drew, you know, we have. And then those that are. Have boots on the ground are all seeing it. So it's a groundswell movement. You're part of it.
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Lauren Everts
I hope so. I hope that Paul Saladino and I can continue to talk about raw milk and butter. We go through so much butter in our house all the time. I mean, I'm slapping extra butter on my kids food to get the butter in. And I mean, you know, I'm a huge raw milk lover. I love dairy. Dairy helped me lose weight, which is so counterintuitive to everything we've been taught. They say it inflames you, you gain weight, et cetera, et cetera. So I do hope that I can, if it's a little bit, just tweak the narrative around it because it's been, it's a big, it's like a food Group. Well, it is a food group. It's a food group in our house.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah. And, you know, and there have been, like, if you looked back at, you know, early in the 1970s or the 1960s, 1970s, a hundred percent of infants at 12 months old had been given cow's milk. Today, it's less than 10%. And so we've removed.
- [53:20]
Lauren Everts
Wow. It's powdered cow's milk.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
And if you look at infant formula, most infant formula doesn't have C15 in it. So it's just like, how can we change this narrative? It's not. Yes, development of a supplement is part of the solution, but there's just so much more that we need to have a conversation around. How do we change dietary practices? How do we get C15 back into infant formulas? It's just. It's a bigger conversation, which, you know, we're excited to. To be behind.
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Michael Bostick
Well, I think for the first time in a long time, health is now being put at the forefront of conversation in this country, and we've needed it because, again, we talked about this last time you were here, like, we can go and run around to different parts of the world and kind of eat whatever we want and really not notice much of it. Go and have a bunch of ice cream, whatever. You don't really know here, unfortunately, you have to be a little more thoughtful about what you ingest into your body. But I think now, and, you know, whichever way you feel politically, what I'm excited about is that this topic of health in this country is at the forefront. And to me, this should be bipartisan, where everyone should just be interested in this topic and living better. And not only better, but longer.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah.
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Michael Bostick
For the longest time, like, it's been maybe a little bit more about feelings than some of the science and maybe a little bit of sweeping under the rug some of the things we've been doing and ignoring some of the things that have been happening. And so, anyways, it's an exciting time.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
It's an exciting time for nutrition and prevention and individual ownership of your health. I agree. It's a good time for that.
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Lauren Everts
If you could inspire one significant change in the way humans approach aging, what would it be?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
It would be socialization. I think it's. We all know about exercise. We all know about diet. And, you know, as our parents get older, you know, my parents included, it's the piece I see that doesn't get addressed enough is that you need interaction. Even my, you know, my father's losing his hearing, and it's now well understood that losing your hearing can actually speed up the onset of Alzheimer's disease because the brain isn't getting that stimulation.
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Lauren Everts
Makes total sense.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Right. And so things like that that are so addressable, we just, you know, it's humanity. Right. So, like, providing opportunities and making sure that people aren't in isolation as they age is, for me, is like. It's so easy to address. It should be easy to address. It's something we could all do.
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Michael Bostick
Yeah. I mean, I think. And unfortunately, even though we feel more connected than ever, we're probably a little bit more disconnected than ever. You know, that's. You're talking through screens all the time and feeling like that's enough. But the reason we choose to do this show in person and I could just like. Just as like a microcosm observation is it is completely different sitting with someone here as opposed to talking to them through the screen. Like, there is. There is a true disconnect that happens when you communicate with someone on the other side of a screen, even if you feel it's just. There's something about being in the room with someone energetically.
- [56:29]
Lauren Everts
We did like three episodes during the pandemic over a screen, and I was like to Michael, I was like, we're not doing this anymore. I'd rather do a solo episode. It's such a blockage of energy. You can't feel when the person's gonna stop talking or start talking. It's just.
- [56:45]
Michael Bostick
And by the way, you'd be surprised at some of the people that we've turned down on this show because they refuse to come in in person.
- [56:52]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Good for you.
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Michael Bostick
I would rather not do it than have a conversation that falls flat where it's like you get a certain marquee guest or something, and then it's like, oh, my God, that was just not great because of the in person circumstances.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Yeah, yeah. Connection's important.
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Lauren Everts
Connection. Where can everyone find your book? It's called the longevity nutrient. The unexpected fat that holds the key to healthy aging. Pimp yourself out, Dr. Stephanie.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Ooh. All right. Being a nerd. I don't know. Lauren. So it's available wherever books are sold. So it's from Simon and Schuster, so it's on pre sale now. And then books start heading out the door. On March 25th, Michael and I had.
- [57:41]
Lauren Everts
You on, as he said before, and it was so interesting. We learned so much. We added C15 to our diet. And when we knew you were coming out with this book, we wanted to have you back on. If someone wants to dm you say hi. They have longevity questions. Where can they find you on Instagram?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
So probably the best source is through fatty15. And then again I'm a nerd. So on LinkedIn. I'm also available there at LinkedIn.
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Lauren Everts
I have a couple of requests. I'm gonna need a formula with C15 in it.
- [58:14]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
I'm gonna need this down Eric.
- [58:15]
Lauren Everts
A gummy for my kids to give them. I'd also.
- [58:19]
Michael Bostick
Or even just the heart, the vitamin. They'll eat those two. The chewables.
- [58:21]
Lauren Everts
Love a little sprinkle that I can put on my top of my dog's food. Those are the things that I need.
- [58:27]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
There is actually a sprinkle available for your dog. Oh, so that. That is new news. It's called. It came out from a group called Pets Best Life. They were the team that had come up with greenies, you know the.
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Lauren Everts
Yeah, of course.
- [58:42]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
And so. And they're wonderful husband, wife, team. And they have a product called Yummy Combs which was kind of their follow on. And then now they just came out with longevity 15 which is powered by fatty 15 for dogs.
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Lauren Everts
Can you, can I have some of that?
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
We'll get you. Yeah, we'll absolutely get you some.
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Lauren Everts
Maybe I can sprinkle that in my kids pancakes.
- [59:03]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
I don't know. Well, it has Himalayan cheese in it. I may I.
- [59:06]
Lauren Everts
Maybe kids will like it.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
I don't know.
- [59:08]
Lauren Everts
I mean I have given my kids. I have given my kids raw butter for dogs. Like I. Because they can only see. No, because we found raw butter. They only sell raw butter for pets.
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Michael Bostick
And so I was the same as human. It just. They can't.
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Lauren Everts
What's the difference? It's fine. Slap some of that raw butter for pets on my kids pancakes and serve that shit right up. There's all kinds of things going in the game.
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Michael Bostick
Well, it's like kind of a. Like the same things. Like sometimes if I make a little bit too many eggs like scramble like the dogs need. It's like. It's not like a human egg.
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Lauren Everts
It's like exactly.
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Michael Bostick
The dogs need it.
- [59:43]
Lauren Everts
This is the pancake recipe for parents that are listening. Okay. It's banana, a cup of oatmeal and I think it's two eggs. That's it. You mix it up and it makes.
- [59:57]
Michael Bostick
You don't have to have all the, all the stuff.
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Lauren Everts
So there's no flour, there's no sugar. They love it. You sprinkle a little fatty 15 in there, maybe a couple vitamins. Put a little raw butter for dogs on there.
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Michael Bostick
And serve it up. There we go.
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Lauren Everts
I'm a cook if I've ever seen one.
- [60:13]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
That's the next book. That's it.
- [60:16]
Lauren Everts
How to trick your kids into eating healthy. Dr. Stephanie, thank you for coming on the podcast. We do have a code for you guys to shop their C15 product. I take one of these every single day and the code is fatty15.com skinny or you can use code skinny for 15 off your first purchase. And if you want to nerd out on all the C15 science details, you can go to discoverc15.com thank you.
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Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
It was wonderful.
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Michael Bostick
Thank you for doing this.
- [60:44]
Dr. Stephanie Van Watson
Thanks. It was wonderful being here, Michael. Thank you, Lauren.