The Truth About Body Composition, Macros, Reverse Dieting, & Building An Unstoppable Morning Routine Ft. Hannah Pointer

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Podcast Summary: The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show

Episode Title: The Truth About Body Composition, Macros, Reverse Dieting, & Building An Unstoppable Morning Routine ft. Hannah Poynter
Hosts: Lauryn Evarts Bosstick & Michael Bosstick
Guest: Hannah Poynter (@macrohabits)
Date: December 4, 2025

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Main Theme

This episode delves deep into holistic wellness, focusing on the realities of body composition, macro tracking, the under-discussed power of reverse dieting, and how intentional habits—especially morning routines—can transform health and mindset. Hannah Poynter, fitness coach and founder of Macrohabits, shares her personal journey and the tangible systems she uses and teaches for sustainable, confidence-building change.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Hannah’s Fitness & Wellness Transformation

• Background: Hannah discusses a non-linear journey into wellness after leaving college and experiencing burnout as an Orange Theory coach ([02:35]).
• Personal Struggles: She reveals the downfalls of extreme cardio and eating in a chronic calorie deficit—leading to low energy, poor relationship with food, and “food noise.”
• Discovery of Reverse Dieting:
  • Defined as gradually increasing caloric intake to repair metabolism and shift maintenance levels up ([04:00]).
  • “If a girl is eating 1200 calories a day for a certain period of time, that becomes her ‘maintenance’… she’s going to stop seeing results at 1200 calories… that’s unsustainable.” – Hannah ([04:00])
• Transformation Results:
  • Lost over 25 lbs and dropped 10% body fat slowly, over several years—emphasizing "years of consistency, years of habits" for lasting results ([06:11]).
  • “I changed my body composition… years of consistency, years of habits. I’ve never taken the shortcut… that’s what creates the long-term results.” – Hannah ([06:11])

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2. Macros, Reverse Dieting, and Metabolic Repair

• What is Reverse Dieting: The process, who it’s for, and why most women need it.
  • Most new clients are “scared to eat, they’re undereating. Not only is it wrecking your metabolism, it’s also wrecking your relationship with food.” – Hannah ([13:26])
• Tracking Macros vs. Calories:
  • Encourages tracking protein, carbs, and fats due to their unique roles.
  • Slowly increasing protein intake to avoid digestive issues.
  • Uses a fully custom approach (rather than set formulas) for each client, based on detailed intake and current eating habits ([12:17]).
  • “If you jump from 80g to 160g of protein, you’re going to hate tracking macros… You have to slowly increase.” – Hannah ([12:17])
• Dispelling Cardio Myths:
  • Cardio isn’t the sole answer for fat loss or lean muscle; strength training paired with proper nutrition is more effective ([07:54]).

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3. Relationship with Food

• Moving from Disordered Eating to Food Freedom:
  • Hannah discusses her personal struggles with “food noise” and stress around eating.
  • Macro tracking gave her “the green light… Because if I wanted to go to The Habit, I could preplan, have fries, a burger, and it fit into my macros and I felt so good.” ([11:40])
• Macro Tracking + Intuitive Eating:
  • Advocates for a flexible blend—tracking during routines, eating intuitively while traveling or less structured ([10:00]).
  • “In my program, I don’t believe in all-in or all-out. There’s a beautiful balance.” – Hannah ([09:54])

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4. Building Sustainable Habits (Non-Food Focus)

• Exercise Routine:
  • Now focuses on strength training (5-6x/week), Pilates, outdoor walks—no running or intensive cardio ([20:34]).
  • “Strength training, Pilates, outdoor walks: that’s the trifecta.” ([20:34])
  • “I never work out to be sore. I love to move every day.” ([22:10])
• Other Wellness Practices:
  • Lymphatic Drainage: Monthly professional sessions and daily facial gua sha and ice rolling for reduced puffiness and skin tone ([23:32]).
  • Sauna (3x/week), Occasional Cold Plunge: But cautions it aggravated her hypothyroidism ([31:16]).
  • Post-Dinner Walks: For digestion and winding down with her partner ([31:16]).
  • Castor Oil Packs: For liver detox and aiding digestion—applied overnight on the belly using a patch or sticker ([32:40]).
  • Morning Routine:
    • Wakes between 4:30–5:30am, prays, listens to worship music, plans workout/food/clothes the night before, ice-rolls on drive to gym ([73:33]).

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5. Trends & Supplements

• Protein Intake: Advocates for slow increases; “don’t go from 50g to 150g overnight” ([72:06]).
• Favorite Protein: Active Stacks (beef collagen, dairy/gluten free) ([72:32]).
• Peptides: Uses for muscle growth, skin, recovery—detailed her regimens (CJC 1295, BPC157, TB500) ([65:48]).
• Mouth Taping at Night: “It’s helped my jawline… my sleep is so much better… it’s bad to mouth breathe!” ([67:13])

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6. Skincare & Personal Topics

• Struggles with Cystic Acne:
  • Detailed her transparency online and the emotional impact of public commentary ([35:22]).
  • “If someone attacks my skin, it would hurt a little. If you have acne… you feel like half the version of yourself.” ([35:54])
  • Accutane was transformative after trying “everything under the sun” ([35:17]), and she’s open about possibly doing a second round ([38:20]).
  • “Accutane changed my life. It was the best thing I could have done for myself.” ([37:29])
• Skincare Routines:
  • Prefers silk pillowcases, non-toxic detergent (Molly Suds), and frequent pillowcase changes ([40:05]).
• Cosmetic Procedures:
  • Two breast augmentations; lessons learned on implant size and placement for athletic women ([48:54]).
  • Specifics: 1st surgery = 325cc (too small for her 5’10” frame), 2nd surgery = 590cc “which looks balanced on me” ([49:09]).
  • Advocates doing research, knowing your body, and not following others’ choices blindly.

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7. Social Media & Influence

• Sharing Transparently Online:
  • Vulnerability about surgery, acne, Botox, and routines sometimes leads to negative feedback, which can be difficult given her business depends on reputation ([42:29]).
  • Advice: “Sometimes upsetting people gets you right. It’s an 80/20.” ([43:29])
  • Don’t let public opinion sway authenticity; build internal values as much as external ([46:22]).
  • “If you’re starting something online, you gotta have thick skin and know who you are.” – Hannah ([47:16])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I am the reverse dieting… I am who to go to to reverse diet. Because I’ve been through it.” – Hannah ([17:02])
• “You have to eat more of the right foods. I will die on that hill.” ([18:46])
• “Strength training, Pilates, outdoor walks: that’s the trifecta.” ([20:34])
• “Slowly increasing your protein intake is key… your body burns the most calories digesting protein.” ([71:48])
• “My morning is my favorite part of my day. I romanticize it… My morning is mind, body, spirit.” ([73:19])
• “Move your body in a way you look forward to. If you’re dreading your workout, change it.” ([75:06])
• On social media feedback: “What they think of me is none of my business.” – Lauryn ([45:04])
• “[Accutane] changed my skin, it changed… I was so much more confident.” – Hannah ([41:05])
• On mouth taping: “It’s helped my jawline… I sleep really good. I love it.” ([67:13])

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Detailed Timestamps of Important Segments

• Hannah’s Backstory & Reverse Dieting Journey: [02:31] – [06:44]
• Reverse Dieting Explained: [03:59] – [04:50], [13:22]
• Macronutrient Customization: [12:17]
• Nutrition Myths and Cardio Discussion: [07:23] – [08:13]
• Practical Macro Tracking Tips: [10:27] – [12:13]
• Body Recomp Habits (Non-Food): [20:34] – [22:10]
• Lymphatic Drainage, Skin Care, Gua Sha: [23:26] – [24:14]
• Sauna, Cold Plunge, Walking: [31:16]
• Castor Oil Liver Detox: [32:40] – [34:46]
• Cystic Acne, Accutane Journey: [35:17] – [39:12]
• Breast Augmentation Specifics: [48:54] – [52:03]
• Sample Day of Eating/Macros: [53:05] – [55:46]
• Peptide Use & Benefits: [65:48] – [66:36]
• Mouth Taping for Sleep & Jawline: [67:13] – [69:51]
• Building Unstoppable Morning Routine: [73:33]
• Biggest Takeaways & Final Tips: [71:48] – [75:41]

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Final Takeaways

• Reverse dieting and macro tracking (with a metabolic repair focus) are essential, especially for women emerging from chronic under-eating or cardio-heavy routines.
• Lifestyle habits including structured strength training, morning routines, daily movement, and self-care rituals (e.g., skincare, liver detox, sleep hygiene) are as crucial as diet.
• Authenticity online requires strong internal values and thick skin; public feedback is a two-edged sword in the influencer world.
• Blend tracking and intuition for food freedom, and avoid extreme, all-or-nothing approaches.
• Romanticize and structure your morning routine for mental and physical health.

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How to Connect With Hannah

• Instagram: @macro_habits
• Podcast: Macrohabits Podcast
• Macro Programs & Coaching: macrohabits.com
• Sample Workouts: Playbook App – Curves & Core program

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This summary is curated for listeners seeking actionable strategies and fresh perspectives on metabolism, sustainable weight management, routines, and honest living—without the noise.

Transcript

[Hannah Poynter]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production.

[Lauren Everts]

She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Hannah Poynter]

Fantastic.

[Michael Bostick]

And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie.

[Lauren Everts]

And now Lauren Everts and Michael Bostick.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Are bringing you along for the ride.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Michael Bostick]

Welcome to the Skinny Confidential.

[Hannah Poynter]

Him and her.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Hannah Poynter of Macrohabits on the show. This is a very TSD show. We're talking holistic wellness practices, body composition fitness routine, skin care, mental health, mouth taping, Pilates, strength training, morning routines, and lymphatic drainage. If you've not seen our Instagram macrohabits, go check it out. I think you'll love it. And with that, let's welcome Hannah to the show.

[Michael Bostick]

This is the Skinny Confidential, him and her.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Hannah, I have watched you on Instagram for a long time. Your content pops up, up for me, surprisingly, all the time because I love routines and I'm obsessed with watching other people's routines. So your content's always popping up. And I remember, I think one time it popped up and you were using the ice roller, or maybe it was the mouth tape, and I was like, oh, my God, this girl's amazing.

[Hannah Poynter]

You're so sweet. I love your products.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Thank you.

[Hannah Poynter]

Genuinely, like anyone who knows me knows I love to try things. I'll always try something and then I'll give it a good go. And if it's worth sharing, I will share it and it'll be like a ride or die. I'm very, like, loyal to certain products, brands, I and your ice roller, Brow Peptide like all this stuff. I love it. The mouth tape, I mean, honestly, like, you've created such an incredible, like, empire. Both of you, like my friends at home. I mean, I've always been a fan of this getting confidential. Even, like, your. The advice that you guys gave, like, before I started Macrohabits, I've always listened and I've taken a lot from all the different episodes you do, interviewing all different types of people, entrepreneurs. It's just been very insightful for me as a entrepreneur and it's really helped me build my business. And so being here is like a very full circle moment.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Well, you have put in the open.

[Lauren Everts]

Invite anytime after that.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Oh, my God, let me play that over. You are invited on. You were invited on the podcast, which makes so much sense because your Instagram handle is at Macrohabits. And I feel like you're proof that your habits add up and that you are a product of your habits 100%. So first, since you're not it, since you're not into a lot of long form content. I would love to get the background of your story.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Tell us about when you wanted a lifestyle change in 2017.

[Hannah Poynter]

So I, for a little just general background, I went to Utah State. I did the college thing and I've just never been someone that's loved school. I loved the social element. I, I didn't mind the routine, but for some reason, like just the school aspect, academic side just wasn't somewhere. I thr. You get it.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah.

[Hannah Poynter]

And so my parents, you know, they were, I have amazing parents. They're very supportive, but they're also not like they, I didn't grow up just being handed anything I wanted. They did a really good job of like spoiling me, but also making me work, especially my dad. And when I've always kind of had, you know, an athletic frame, I've always been in sports. My dad was very like pushed me into sports heavily. But once I was in my later years in college, I was kind of stuck and I didn't really know what to do. I wasn't necessarily happy with my body. At that point I started working orange theory and that really was like the catalyst into getting me into like the health and wellness world. But at that point it was all cardio. It was all low calorie deficits, very kind of extreme and intense. And so in that process I kind of, I really discovered reverse dieting, which is not talked about a lot. A lot of the time it's kind of talked about bulking and cutting. Like it's a very bodybuilder esque world. But reverse dieting wasn't talked about.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

What is reverse dieting?

[Hannah Poynter]

Reverse dieting is slowly increasing your caloric maintenance over a period of time to repair your metabolism. You can experience something called adaptive thermogenesis, which is really metabolic adaptation. So for example, if a girl is eating 1200 calories a day for a certain period of time, that then becomes her maintenance. So she's going to stop seeing results at 1200 calories. If she wants to see results, she's going to have to drop lower. So you might have to go to 900. And then you can see that's unsustainable. It's causing a lot of problems, not only in your body, but with like the mental and emotional relationship with food, all of that stuff.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So this is what I do with the flexible diet coach, right? Yes.

[Hannah Poynter]

And I knew, I figured. I've listened to that podcast episode.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Whoa. Okay. I didn't realize. I, for some reason I don't remember that it was called that, but when you say it, yeah, that's what we had to do. We had to repair my metabolism. So. So when you discovered it, what did you do with the information?

[Hannah Poynter]

So I did it myself because I was stuck. I mean, I was at Orange Theory. I was so burnt out with the cardio. I was just kind of burnt out in general there. I mean, it was a great. Like, it was a great job, and I'm happy that I did it, but I hated having a ceiling. I've always been someone that's been very driven. I wanted to make more money. And at Orange Theory, like you, you can only. You gotta cap out. And this was also during the year of COVID where the personal training industry was kind of wrecked. We were sent home for a while, and then we came back and there was a massive pay cut. And ultimately, like, I was just. I was struggling. I was starting, like, the bank account was getting lower and lower. And I am someone. Like, I dropped out of college. So the last thing I was gonna do is ask my dad for money. Cause that was kind of his thing. He was like, if you drop out, you're cut off. And I was like, that's fine. I can do it. And I did, and it was great. But once the Orange Theory and Covid got intermixed, I was like, I got to do something else. And I mean, the Reader's Digest version of this is basically, I moved home. I told my parents I want to start a business. I don't really know what I'm doing, but I know what I want to do because I reverse dieted myself. And I saw the benefit. I saw my body change in a way that was dramatic. And my relationship with food improved a ton. And I realized this is something that's not talked about. There is a missing. There's no. There's no talk about reverse dieting. This is like, missing piece.

[Lauren Everts]

When you say dramatic, what do you mean?

[Hannah Poynter]

I changed my body composition. So I've always been like. I would never say I was overweight or like, I. I just had a lot of inflammation. I've dropped about 10% body fat. So I've definitely leaned out. I. I'm very happy with my physique now. I feel like it's. It's been a journey. Like, years of consistency, years of habits. I've never taken the shortcut. So I've done it the hard way, which I think is more unattractive nowadays. But I will sit here and say, like, that's what creates the Long term results is putting in the work with the small habits.

[Lauren Everts]

I think it's more attractive. I just think it's harder. Yeah, people don't like the harder thing.

[Hannah Poynter]

I agree.

[Lauren Everts]

People like these.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

When you were doing reverse dieting at this time, were you just doing Orange Theory workouts?

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, well, I started to supplement strength training. Okay. So I started to do a little more strength training because Orange Theory did these classes called strength classes, so they would only do strength training. And at that point I was just so burnt out with the cardio. Like I used to be a runner and now I'm like anti running in a joking sense. Like some people are born to run and if that's your journey, amazing. But we need to separate athletic performance and body recomposition. And I don't think that going out and running three miles every day is necessarily the answer to lowering body fat, increasing lean muscle.

[Lauren Everts]

Now you'll have like someone like Gary Breco will come on and say, like, it's actually not what you want to do.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I also think running this is my own theory, Lauren. Science.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It sags your skin.

[Hannah Poynter]

No, I know, sorry.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I don't know what to say. If you're pounding the pavement like this.

[Hannah Poynter]

All day long, there's a lot of bouncing and shaking.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It's a lot of bouncing and shaking. I'd rather jump on a rebounder if I'm going to be moving like that, the hard pavement. And also like, this is weird too. It's not that good for your feet because your feet are scrunched up regardless of all that.

[Lauren Everts]

Like, listen, I think there's a place for running, but I think the misconception with a lot of people is that running, running in cardio is what is going to trim fat off of your body.

[Hannah Poynter]

Exactly.

[Lauren Everts]

Right. Like, and that's like, that's just patently not true in most cases. If you're, if you're, if your main goal is just like weight loss and fat loss.

[Hannah Poynter]

Right.

[Lauren Everts]

There's more effective ways to do it, which people are now talking about.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

And so go back to, you're doing, you're doing a little strength training in Orange Theory, you're reverse dieting. What happens?

[Hannah Poynter]

I definitely started to lean out, so I just felt like there was this, it just my body. Well, and this is all paired with the tracking macros. Cause with reverse dieting we're tracking macros or not just tracking calories. So your, your three macros are your protein, carbs and fat. And I think it's really important to Track all three if you are really dialed and ready to like go in on the journey with body recomposition. Because every macronutrient has a role in your body. So in that time of reverse dieting, I'm also, I'm eating more, I'm eating way more. My relationship with food is so much better and I'm noticing I'm leaning out, my energy levels are better, my libido is higher. I have always, I mean, I think every girl, I mean I was on the I, I had the IUD for seven years. So I had some, a lot of hormone regulation I had to repair from that. I've been off it for two years and I'm kind of like in the clear now for the most part. A lot of moving parts with all of that. But reverse dieting was eating more of the right foods change my body. And that's what I built my business on. And when I started macrohabits, like it was very hard to start a business telling a girl, hey, like I'm just starting this business, but like you need to eat more to see results.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So what has been the, the feedback when you tell women that initially, like.

[Hannah Poynter]

When I first started, they were like, no, no. And I was like, I, you have to trust me. Remember we're tracking macros like me breaking it down and explaining that I'm not just throwing you 1700 calories to go spend on whatever. We're being specific here. So you have to be protein focused, like you can have what you want in a way. And that's why I like tracking macros. Cuz I don't cut anything out. I don't cut out dairy, gluten, sugar, I eat it all. I also track macros with an intuitive approach. So some days I track spot on, other days I intuitively eat. Right now I'm not at home in routine, I'm intuitively eating and I'm not stressing. That's another big part of my program. I don't believe in the all in or all out. I do believe there's a beautiful balance between tracking macros and intuitively eating. And I feel like in social media or just in kind of the stereotypical energy with tracking macros, it's, it's a negative approach, but I think that you can do both beautifully and me and thousands of other clients have been able to achieve that. And so I think that that's the.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So give an example of someone's listening of, of what you were eating and what then you added. Because I want to make it like so clear. So they understand the difference of, of what one situation looked like to when you actually reverse dieted.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. So before, before tracking macros and reverse dieting, I was doing the whole, like intermittent fasting. I was like trying not to eat till in the afternoon because then I could have more calories. I was doing. I didn't really have any idea of protein that wasn't as heavily talked about as it is now. So just kind of eating kind of like a bird. Honestly, like, I just was trying to eat as little as possible and in return it would. I was so stressed about food. I. I want to be careful with, you know, the. I want to. Eating disorders are real, but I do think there's also like disordered eating. Yeah. And I think I struggled with disordered eating. I think I just had a unhealthy relationship with food.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

That makes sense. I think a lot of people have what you're saying, like, it's not, it's not a full eating disorder.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

But there's. There is something that you can tell is maybe a little off.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, I just, I thought too much about it.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Hannah Poynter]

Food was controlling. Like, the food noise was loud. That was like, that was loud.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I understand that because I had that before I implemented protein. Yeah, like, I totally understand what you're talking about.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. It just, it controls. Like you get stressed about dinners or if like I had a date, I was like, okay, I gotta like, eat as little as possible or eat like, like a bird, like I said. So when I started reverse dieting, I. It was just like tracking macros was just this green light for me. Like the fact I'm very type A and the fact that I had this amount of fat, this amount of carbs, this amount of protein, I was like, this is amazing because if I wanted to go to like, I remember one of the. I remember like this vivid memory of me going to the habit. And I like pre track to the habit. I had fries, a burger. It fit into my macros and I felt so good. And I was like, oh my gosh, like, this is the best thing. Like, why aren't people tracking.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

How do you know how many macros to have? Is it based on your weight?

[Hannah Poynter]

So a wide variety of factors. I am very proud of the way that I write custom macro plans and the clients that are in our one on one program because I don't use set ratios, so. So no one has the same macro split. No one has the same macro plan. I am very intentional with when you come to me to get Your macros done. It's an extensive questionnaire and a three day food recall. So I also look at what you're eating because a lot of the time if you were to go online right now and type in your age, height and weight, it would, it might give you 160 protein, 240 carb. And you might not, you might only be eating 80 grams of protein. If you jump from 80 grams of protein to 160, that's where you're going to hate tracking macros. You're going to be, you know, constipated, your stomach's going to hurt, you're going to feel bogged down. You have to slowly increase certain macros. And that's the benefit of reverse dieting because you slowly increase that protein. We level out the fats and carbs. Some people do better with higher fats, some people do better with higher carb. You can kind of tailor it to that client, which is why there's such a high success rate with tracking macros and body composition.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Do you think people realize how much it's messing up their metabolism when they're eating less?

[Hannah Poynter]

No.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Can you go off on that? Yes.

[Hannah Poynter]

There are, I would say 95% of the people that go into my one on one program or I mean I write customer verse dieting plans every day. 95% are girls that are undereating. They're scared to eat, they're undereating. Not only is it wrecking, they don't eat, they don't eat right, it's wrecking your metabolism. So your body's very smart. It's one purpose is to survive. So if you are in taking not enough food, your body's going to strategically hold onto it to feel you throughout the day. You, you have a total daily energy expenditure. Like you're burning way more calories than just your workout. And I feel like people don't have that broad of a scale. Like they think, okay, I, I burned 300 calories in my workout. Those are the only calories I burned. But in reality, you have a lot of things that make up that total daily energy expenditure. So when you fuel your body properly and you fuel more intentionally, you're going to burn more calories. Especially when you have, and you guys know this, like more muscle, you burn more when you have more muscle, you know, or you burn more muscle post workout as well.

[Lauren Everts]

It's just like we know it, but it's helpful for you to break it down again because I think like we've done a lot of work for A long time to. To think maybe in a weird way, I've done some kind of reverse dieting and also have gotten to a healthy place with food. But even as you're listening to you talk, I think, like, it is a.

[Michael Bostick]

Disordered form of eating.

[Lauren Everts]

If you're scared of food in general.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I know, but you have to understand Michael, and he doesn't understand this is that women have been taught and ingrained when we were younger. I'm not saying in this day and age, maybe like, I think it's a long time ago. More.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

To do fat free. To not eat until this time, to not eat a lot of food. I never knew about protein when I was young.

[Lauren Everts]

And then, like, you've had people like Jillian Michaels have come on the show years ago and talk about intermittent fasting. But she talks about the difference between fasting windows between men and women.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

It's different.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah, I think that there's. It's. We have been ingrained as women as when we were younger. Like, less food is. Is better. So it's hard to, like, flip that. Michael is someone who eats very intuitively. You, you. What's that practice that you were telling me Japanese people do where they eat only until it's like 80.

[Lauren Everts]

No, I think, like, you know, a lot of people. Again, this is a western culture thing. It's like you finish all the food on your plate. A lot of people are raised that way.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

What's the. What's the saying?

[Lauren Everts]

There's no saying, but it's just like.

[Hannah Poynter]

Well, finish your plate, then you can have a treat.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, exactly. So it's like, so, like, you have to be gluttonous so you can be more gluttonous.

[Hannah Poynter]

Exactly.

[Lauren Everts]

But, like, no, I think the way that I've always grown up and the way I always eat is as soon as I'm full, I just stop eating matter what's left on the plate.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

And he's. I've never heard him say, like, I'm craving a pastrami sandwich.

[Hannah Poynter]

Well, you're built different.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah, he's built different. So.

[Lauren Everts]

But I don't think. I mean, maybe. But I also think that when I think back on just the way that I eat, it's like it's a. It's a patterning thing. So, you know, with our kids, I will tell them, like, today I'm eating breakfast with my daughter. I'm like, okay, you got to eat the protein. You got to get that in first. Then maybe you want the toast and the other stick. But, like, you're not going to want as much of the toast first if you have the. You know what I mean? Like, you're getting the macros in the right order. I don't think we were ever taught.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

That as a. I also like to say to my kids, like, your body will tell you when you feel full.

[Hannah Poynter]

Which I love.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It's so simple. Your body will tell you when you feel full. And so it's like, they don't need to finish the plate. They don't need to stuff their face the their bot. They have to listen to their body. So go on, go back to what you're saying.

[Lauren Everts]

No, by the way, quickly. I'm not debating. I, I agree that many women have been led down that path and think that way. But I guess what I'm just pointing out is that there is. If you, if you are scared of food in general, it's a moment to kind of like check in with yourself because that is a form of disordered eating. Like, if food scares you and you're having anxiety about the food, it likely means you gotta maybe educate yourself a little bit more around what you're talking about. Like, about how to interact with food in general.

[Michael Bostick]

Right?

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. 100. I mean, with tracking macros, like, I believe I do it the right way. And I've been on the wrong side of tracking. Like, when I first started tracking, I got put into like a lower calorie deficit. And then I went back to this girl and I was like, hey, like, I've lost eight pounds. Like, should I get a new macro split? It's been a few months. She's like, yeah. And she dropped me lower, so I got dropped. So I needed to reverse diet because I was stuck in that low calorie deficit. And that's why I'm so passionate about not only like macrohabits in general, but just like the fact that I am the reverse dieting. Like, I am who to go to to reverse diet. Because I've been through it. Like, I know how it feels to be scared to eat more. And like, you're stressed about food all the time. It's the food noise is loud, you kind of know where you don't know where to go. And so with reverse dieting, I would say 90 of the girls listening to this right now probably need to reverse diet. Wow. If you want to see results too, like, there's something about, you know, you want to confuse your metabolism here and there. Like, even with like muscle confusion. I know that's kind of become more of like a myth. But I believe, like, when you switch up your routine, new results follow.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So you're saying it's not a myth at all. I have been reverse dieting with my last three kids because I gain 60 pounds.

[Hannah Poynter]

You're my dream. You're called the golden nugget. Yeah, but by the way, are the golden nuggets.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Is that true? Because I literally ate my face off when I was pregnant. And then you stop being pregnant. You're not as hungry, obviously.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, it's kind of like, no.

[Michael Bostick]

But joking aside.

[Lauren Everts]

And like, I joke on the show and say, like, the gym bros have already kind of like, gym bros did a lot of. But like, when it comes to this kind of thing, people know, like, yes, you switch up the workouts. Yes, you trick your body from a metabolic standpoint. Like, you, like, people know these things in the gym. It's called, like, plateauing, right?

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

That's why also, runners, they stop getting the results because you're doing the same thing on a hamstring.

[Hannah Poynter]

Your body adapts, just like your metabolism, your body's going to adapt and like, the definition of insanity is doing something like the same way and expecting a different result. So these people get stuck in these routines and then they, like, they come to me and they're like, I've been doing this, this and this. And I'm like, well, for how long? I'm like, you've been at 1200 calories or 1500 calories for three years. Like, you have to eat more of the right foods. I will die on the hill. That, like the tracking macros part is the quality of the food and the total calorie intake is like the quantity.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Is it hard for you when someone comes to you and says, hey, I'm vegan and I don't want to lean heavy into meat?

[Hannah Poynter]

I would probably say I'm not the vegan coach. Not the vegan.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I'm just wondering if someone's listening and they're vegan.

[Hannah Poynter]

You can definitely hit your protein. Vegan. I've written independent plans for vegans, but I would say.

I'm very fond of animal protein. And I've seen the benefits of it not only in myself, but like thousands of other clients. And if animal protein isn't your journey, that's okay. But I think for me and my business, we work with like 95%, you know, people that eat meat. We work with all different types of, you know, if you're gluten free dairy, if you're like, all of that is fine and we'll Work around that for sure. That's the beauty of tracking macros. You can tailor it to the client, but I think animal protein is very important.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You lost 25 pounds total, and like you said, 8% body fat. How long did that take you to do with reverse dieting?

[Hannah Poynter]

I would say with reverse dieting and multiple cuts at healthy caloric numbers, it's taken four years.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

And as you've lost this weight, you've been online and showed the Internet how you're doing it.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

What are the habits that supported that weight loss that don't have to do with food?

[Hannah Poynter]

So obviously things I've. I've learned as I've. As I've gone. So I used to be really into, like, for a moment there, I was obsessed with spin and I was doing spin a lot and a lot of cardio. And then that kind of wrecked my thyroid. I started to get puffy. There were things with that that didn't work out. And I feel like with where I'm at now, the. The main takeaways is strength training paired with Pilates and outdoor walks. Those three things that is like the trifecta. I don't run. I don't do any cardio anymore. I don't do spin. I do legree Pilates. I strength train intentionally, though. I'm much more of a higher rep, moderate weight. I'm not the heavy lifter. I'm not going into the gym and trying to see how heavy I can lift. And I know there's controversy, you know, controversy there, which is fine. But for me personally and for a lot of other girls, all my workout programs are leaning and toning workout programs.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I agree with you. I think that the strength training is so important. You know what else I like with strength training is p volve because I feel like it opens my hips.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. That's what Pilates.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yes. My mobility Pilates too. It's the same kind of thing. But the mobility training is like it. The mobility training paired with weightlifting is like. I think it's like the secret sauce.

[Hannah Poynter]

I 100% agree. My lifts are so much better now that my flexibility is better. Yeah, I do pull. I love the flow of Pilates. I'm not on my phone. I have an instructor. It's like 45 minutes where I can really, like, be in tune with my body. But then with the lifting, I agree, like, I'm much more. I just feel more athletic.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

And how many times a week are you lifting?

[Hannah Poynter]

I lift five to six days a week.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You're like me. I like to go intense.

[Hannah Poynter]

I love to move every day. Yeah, I arrest. Days are hard for me. I do active recovery days. I always go for a walk. If I'm sick, of course, I take rest. If I'm not feeling good, I take a rest. If I'm really inflamed, I'll take a rest day. I think you got to listen to your body, but I think I never work out to be sore.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You would love if. Next time you're in Austin, I have to set you up with Sandy, who's been on this podcast because she's all about opening the hips.

[Hannah Poynter]

I would love that.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah, you would like her as.

[Hannah Poynter]

I really want to do the splits. That's a goal of mine. She will teach you how to do, like, I'm. I'm working at it, but, like, I'm so inflexible. I've just never been someone that's been flexible. So Pilates really challenging me in that way.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Do you know I can do the splits?

[Lauren Everts]

I do know.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Oh, trust me, I can do the splits. I know you know that.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm very aware.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah, I could do, like, the full splits. Don't be asking me to do Cirque du Soleil tonight, but I can.

[Hannah Poynter]

Is that all from people, you think?

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

No, that's from. Just dance.

[Lauren Everts]

From, like, when you're a kid, you can do that.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Like, do not just, like.

[Michael Bostick]

No, but I'm saying, like, it's not something you can.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You should be.

[Michael Bostick]

So can you learn the splits as an adult?

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Girls can't do the splits.

[Hannah Poynter]

I can't. My boyfriend probably would love if I.

[Michael Bostick]

If I try to do the splits.

[Lauren Everts]

As a. I would.

[Michael Bostick]

I would be in the hospital. I would call.

[Lauren Everts]

I'd be like, I need you to come pick me up. I'm in the emergency room.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Let's say. I feel like that's divorce.

So what are other wellnessy things that you do to support your lifestyle? Because you are known on Instagram as, like, the queen of routine.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, I tied, and I always try something, and I'll do a video about it. So lymphatic drainage has been a game changer.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Oh, my God. I gotta get you the dry brush.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, I don't have the dry brush.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I gotta get you the dry brush. Okay. So how are you doing it with massage?

[Hannah Poynter]

I do a lot. My lymphatic girl names Rayna. She's in Newport Beach. She's incredible.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

She's.

[Hannah Poynter]

It's the lymphatic organic. So if you're in the Orange county area, like, she Is incredible. She's really opened my eyes to lymphatic drainage. I see her once a month and then I do a lot of lymphatic drainage in my face, which obviously you're like the queen of. The ice roller is amazing. I do a lot of gua sha. I like, swear by the gua sha. Facial, massage, ice roller, 10 minutes a day. It has really helped change my face.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It changes your face. It sculpts your face. It's. I don't understand, like, it literally can change the shape of your face.

[Hannah Poynter]

I agree.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I tell this all the time to Michael. I'm like. He talks to me about his heavy brows and I'm like, you have to stretch your skin under your brows every day. I'm constantly stretching that skin. It's the fascia.

[Lauren Everts]

You could work on the. Instead of doing that, you do the mood in the morning. If you could change that a little bit, that would be.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I'm not going to change my mood in the morning. I don't like to be talked to until about 9:30.

[Lauren Everts]

That would be interesting.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

He wants to talk about his whole life story, monologue.

[Hannah Poynter]

It's a lot.

[Lauren Everts]

One of those, like, crank cars in the morning that back in the day, we have to, like, wind it to get it.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah, that's a great. Exactly.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

But you could do a little. A little fascist stretch.

[Hannah Poynter]

No, I do my boyfriend, but I'm nice. No, I tell him. I'm like, I'm really nice for doing this for you.

[Lauren Everts]

It is very nice.

[Hannah Poynter]

Because he's laying there and I'm like, massaging his face. I'm like, can you. You can't. He doesn't know what he's doing.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You want me to pull the skin on his eyes every single morning?

[Hannah Poynter]

Well, I also have no kids, so yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Oh, my goodness.

[Michael Bostick]

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[Lauren Everts]

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[Michael Bostick]

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[Lauren Everts]

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[Michael Bostick]

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[Lauren Everts]

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[Michael Bostick]

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[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

What else are the things? Are you saunaing? Are you cold plunging? What else are you.

[Hannah Poynter]

So I used to be obsessed with cold plunging and part of my personality, I have a very addictive personality. So when I like something like I love it and I want to do it every day, I, I got like a little too intense with cold plunging. And I would start to go like, I'm like how long can I go for? And I got up to like 11 minutes one time and the guy was like, you. I got out and I was like lightheaded. Now he's like, you need to chill. And I'm like, I don't know, I'm just like fighting my demons in here. Like it's just like this intense thing, you know. So I Don't cold plunge as much. Also, I have hypothyroidism, so that was kind of contributing negatively to that. But the sauna, 120 to 30 minutes in the sauna, three days a week, that's part of my routine. And then outdoor walks, especially a post dinner walk, that's something I've been doing more recently. It's like part of me and my boyfriend's routine. We make dinner, we eat dinner, we go for a 30 minute walk. And it's just like the best. Not only for like your mental health, but it's good for digestion. It like helps you wind down. So I stand by the. I mean, walking in general is amazing, but making it like that 30 minute walk, a party routine, like a non negotiable, is really helpful.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Tell me about the castor oil packs on the belly button, because I bought the stuff from your Amazon store. But something about it feels overwhelming to me, which is funny because I usually am like, I'll make it work. But there's something that's overwhelming because I'm like, is the castor oil gonna fall on my vagina when I'm sleeping? Like, I don't understand.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm completely lost now.

[Hannah Poynter]

So let me break it down. I'm gonna get very granular. I'm gonna explain this. So with the castor oil, it's kind of like I. It works. I will, I will say it works.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

He needs to understand the.

[Lauren Everts]

What are we, what are we trying to accomplish?

[Hannah Poynter]

Like who, what, where, when. With the castor oil, you want it to be like organic, hexane free. It's an oil. You put it on your stomach. So you can put it like anywhere on your lower stomach. It's really good for liver detoxification.

[Lauren Everts]

The castor oil itself on the stomach for liver detox.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Tina does this too. Who was just on the show.

[Hannah Poynter]

Go ahead. So then I like. You can put it in your belly button. So your belly button is like one of the best ways to get something into. Your body has like 70,000 nerves or something. And so I put just a little bit in my belly button, a little drop. And then you can either do a wrap or you can do a patch. And then I like to, if you want to really go all out, put a heating pad on it for like 15 minutes. You sleep with it on. You peel it off in the morning and you go about your day.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

That's it. So I just put a little bit of the hex free? Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

What do you feel something?

[Hannah Poynter]

Well, it helps with digestion. For sure. So I feel like girls struggle with digestion and it's not talked about, but like most of people, like I talk to struggle with digestion and like bloating and that inflammation.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Bitter soda.

[Hannah Poynter]

But likely.

[Lauren Everts]

I mean, listen, I love a bitter. Again, I'm not an expert, but just like going by intuition, if you're. If you're up the rhythm of when you're eating and how you're eating and you're starving yourself, sometimes you're not other times and you're doing something like you're. It's confusing the body and then the body. Like. Like it should be on a natural time clock to digest, if that makes sense. Right. Like you should wake up in the morning digest.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So do you use the. The sticker over the belly button or do you use the pack?

[Hannah Poynter]

I like the sticker just because it's easy. But I will say you have to get the right sticker. And unfortunately, like, not all are made the same because sometimes it'll leave a little bit of residue on your skin. So, I mean, if that happens to me, I don't really care. But some girls are more like, oh, it leaves like a little bit of a residue. Also, that can mean you're applying too much oil. When I apply the oil, I make sure there's no oil on the adhesive, so it's not like marinating on it.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So it's in your belly button and you just cover your belly button and go to bed. And it's good for liver detoxification. And it's castor oil and you have to make sure it's organic. Cold pressed, hexane free.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

And this is gonna detox the liver. My first thought goes to after two margaritas. Is that a good idea for all.

[Hannah Poynter]

My clients or my coaches? Clients who drink. Like, we really encourage it because it does help with that detoxification. And it's just a good hack for like, I'm all about little small things you can do to better your day. It's almost like you're romanticizing your nighttime routine to have a better morning.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I am. So, like, we're on the vibration.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, I romanticize everything.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Tell me about your story with Accutane.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yes.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You mentioned that off air, your skin looks really clear to me. What was that like? Are you still on it?

[Hannah Poynter]

So I did Accutane. I finished April of this year. And I'm 29, so I've struggled heavily with cystic acne in my 20s. And I've done everything you can think of under the sun. I've worked with holistic practitioners. I've cut out dairy, gluten, sugar, done three liver detoxes. I've really tried it all and I've been very vocal about this on my platform. I've always showed my acne and it's been hard. It's been something that's been hard on social media. I feel like it's my only pain point. It's the only area where if someone kind of attacks my skin when I was having bad acne, it would like, like hurt a little.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Who is attacking your skin?

[Hannah Poynter]

I mean, just people be like, oh, it's because you're eating this or you're working out this or the sauna. Like, they would just try to, like, diagnose me, which I'm all for feedback. But when you are, you know, single in your 20s and you have, like cystic acne plastered on your face and nothing you're doing is working and you're doing absolutely everything, it really was, like, such a hard trial. And if you have acne or if you've had acne, I know girls listening right now are like, I know how that feels. It's just. It sucks. You feel like half the version of yourself. I mean, it was a very tumultuous time for me with, like, my mental health. Like, I just, especially with being online, Like, I still had to work. Like, I have coaches. Like, I can't just take a social media break.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

And the problem that I think with acne and I. This happens to me when I get, like, dermatitis is that you don't want. People are like, cover it up. You don't want to cover it up because then it blocks the skin from breathing. Oh, it makes sense. So you're in this, like, weird limbo where, like, you don't want to cover it up with foundation. Well, you do want to cover it up, but then you don't want to cover it up.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, well, that's the thing. I would just. I mean, and I'm a. Somewhat like, I work out early, so I'm not. I'm putting on. I put on your. Your tinted sunscreen in the morning and I'll do like, my brows and I'll go to the gym. So I just wore it, though, honestly, like, it. I just started to kind of have to own it. And then I finally was like, I'm going to do Accutane. But I was kind of. I was scared of Accutane. There's so much fear mongering with it. Accutane Changed my life. It was the best thing I could have done for myself. My acne. I had no bad side effects. I. I had no, like, all these, like, scary fear mongering stories I was hearing.

[Lauren Everts]

What are the scary stories for the uneducated, which is me.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. You know, you wreck your liver or your kidneys, you have severe muscle aches, you can depression, super dry skin, like your skin's flaking off. I had dry skin, okay. That was my one side effect. My lips were dry, my face was dry. I applied my moisturizer. I wore Aquaphor. That's the only thing that was.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

How long did it take to go away?

[Hannah Poynter]

I was on it for almost eight months.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Here's my question about it. It seems like when you get off of it, it. The acne then goes away forever.

[Hannah Poynter]

Well, so that's. So my. Okay, so my dad did two rounds of Accutane. My brothers have perfect skin. Like, I have acne. And I. From who I've talked to with, like, the holistic practitioners and dermatologists, it's more genetic. And so I feel like lately I've had a little bit of acne start to come through again, and I'm kind of dabbling with. Do Accutane again.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Could you microdose it?

[Hannah Poynter]

That's what I'm kind of talking to a dermatologist about right now. I'm also right now on a topical spironolactone, which is really helping.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

That's really smart. You know, when I was on birth control a million years ago, I. I wanted to just get the compound of the spirulina lactin because I was worried when I got off that I would get pimples.

[Hannah Poynter]

I got off.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I didn't get pimples.

[Lauren Everts]

Is that why a lot of girls take.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I have other control.

[Lauren Everts]

Because of the spirulina lactin.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah.

[Hannah Poynter]

No, you're put on birth control as a, as a young girl to help your acne.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Which is.

[Hannah Poynter]

It's a band aid.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Don't even get me started on that. But the, the. If you pull the spirulina lactin compound. Can't you pull that? You said you, you do it topical. Can't you pull the.

[Hannah Poynter]

Like a pillow? Yes, you can. And I, I did spironolactone for two years in my, like, acne journey of, like, six years before I did Accutane. But the topical spiralactone is working. Okay. But I'm gonna say I might do Accutane again. I might do a second round.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

And what. What this Is my question, though, that I don't understand. After you do a second round, is it done forever or you don't know?

[Hannah Poynter]

That's the hope.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Okay.

[Hannah Poynter]

That's. People say. I've talked to. It's a very. I mean, some people love it, some people hate it. I have talked to girls who've done it twice and said the second round really helped. Like, it kind of zapped it. They haven't experienced it again.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Go ahead.

[Hannah Poynter]

No, I'm just. I'm noticing, like, little. I have, like, so much anxiety when I feel a little cystic one come through. I'm like, oh, no. Like, is it coming back again? Like, so I have a little bit of a. I think a. I'm a little fearful of it. Maybe too anxious about it, and I need to just, like, let it run its course. Like, do this. I'm doing the topical spinalactone, but I'm not scared to do Accutane again.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I have two weird questions. Do. I'm sure you're gonna say yes to both. I'm just wondering, do you sleep on silk pillowcase?

[Hannah Poynter]

No.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Okay. I would run to get a silk pillowcase. Get the best silk that you've ever experienced. I can send you the link.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yes.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It's by the natural faces.

[Hannah Poynter]

Okay.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It's so cute. You can put your, like, initials on it.

[Hannah Poynter]

Okay. Cute.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I love her. She has beautiful skin.

[Hannah Poynter]

Okay.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You probably know I feed her.

[Hannah Poynter]

I used to change my pillowcase every night.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Okay, that's. That's amazing.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Which is so.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I mean, that's pain in the ass, but try the silk.

[Hannah Poynter]

I'll do the silk. Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

There's also this brand called the Sleep Crown. I just got it for all my kids and me, and it's. It's silk.

[Lauren Everts]

You just get the kids.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I got one for you, too. It's literally on your pillowcase, and it's silk. But. Okay, my other question. This is my main question. What detergent are you using?

[Hannah Poynter]

I use Molly suds.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Okay.

[Hannah Poynter]

I love. I'm pretty. I try really hard.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Because if you were going to tell me that you use something that, like, rhymed with schmide, I would not call.

[Hannah Poynter]

It using Tide O. Okay, good.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So you've trained well. It sounds like you've tried almost everything for it. I think that. I think sometimes you have to make a decision and do what you have to do. And it's now in person, you don't have any pimples? I don't see one.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, I have makeup on, which is. But I feel confident in my Skin. I'm very happy.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah. You look beautiful.

[Hannah Poynter]

Thank you. Thank you. I feel really good about it, and it's not like I'm, you know, itching to do Accutane again, but I think it's important to talk about it because it literally changed my skin. It changed my. I mean, I recently started dating someone six months ago, and I think it's because I. I didn't have acne. Like, I was just a better version of myself. Like, I was so much more confident.

[Lauren Everts]

Well, I think, like, stuff like that that, like, has a mental health impact that makes you more confident even. Like, you know, sometimes people say, don't do this or don't. I don't have a specific example, but if it's something that makes you more confident so that you can then go live other areas of life more productively or in a happier way, then I think, like, sometimes the health benefit outweighs. Even if. If the thing that you're doing is quote, unquote, like, not the greatest for you, does that make sense?

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Like, you know, that's why alcohol gets a really bad rap these days. And I'm like, in some instances, like, I'm not telling people to.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

When I sit next to dinner to some boring person, I'm having a cocktail. Like, I don't know what to say.

[Hannah Poynter]

As you should.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I have to entertain myself.

[Lauren Everts]

My point is, is, like, some things in life, like, if they will help in other areas, I think, like, there's a little give and take where it's worth it. So in your case, if Accutane made you more confident and made you feel better and happier, that's going to pay dividends in a million other areas. So it's, like, probably a good thing to do.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

What's the scariest part about what you share online? Because you share a lot of intimate things. You're sharing your cast, like, you're. You're sharing with us online. What's the most. The most overwhelming part for you?

[Hannah Poynter]

I mean, that's a loaded question. Because I'm very happy to share pretty much everything I like my reasons for everything I do. So I've been vocal about pretty much everything in terms of, like, I've had two breast augmentations. I just did a podcast episode about what I wish I would have done differently the first time around so I didn't have to get a second one. I talk about Botox. I talk about lymphatic drainage. I talked about Accutane. I was like, I'm starting Accutane. Like, here we go. And so I think the scariest thing is with me being on social media, I have a business. So macrohabits, like influencing to me is marketing for macrohabits. So every once in a while, when a video gets on the wrong side of the algorithm and I get like attacked for something, my fear goes towards, okay, I am selling a coaching program, I employ coaches. I don't want to upset anyone. But also I'm always going to show up as myself and I'm very confident in who I am. And sometimes upsetting people gets you right. It's an 80 20.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

You know, we never have anything that ends up on the wrong side of the tracks. It's always, it's always right down.

[Hannah Poynter]

Right.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Can't please everyone. So the scariest part is when you feel like something's affecting your business.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. Because of a decision that I'm sharing. But then again, like, I don't take it down. Like, I just got roasted for a Botox.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Don't look. Don't look.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, I don't want my advice.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah, don't look.

[Hannah Poynter]

You know what I do outside, out of mind.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I live in my bubble.

[Hannah Poynter]

I don't look.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I, like, I, I'm not gonna take on other people's energy. Like, I just, I'm not gonna take it on. And you just don't look.

[Hannah Poynter]

It's good advice. I like.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It's literally that simple. Yeah, don't look.

[Lauren Everts]

There was a time on the Internet we're older than you, where looking was more productive. Meaning, like in the earlier days of the Internet, like there was positive feedback.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

There's a lot of like, constructive criticism.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, there's a lot of constructive criticism, a lot of positive feedback. You were able to like kind of inform the content based on what they.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Now it's like, you're too fat, you're too skinny, you're too this, you're too much.

[Lauren Everts]

Now the problem is, especially with the way these algorithms exist, is they're all interest based algorithms. Funny enough, I just hosted a dinner with the head of Instagram. We were talking about this and like someone may see this clip that has no clue who we are or who you are based on the interest. And so it's out of context. And then that person, I mean, you.

[Michael Bostick]

See it happening all the time now, like.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

And so it's, it's a bummer because there's a lot of people that either listen to this show or follow you or been around that you want to engage with that are good people. I usually do that in the DMs when you know. Yeah, but like, public comments, you have to be really careful now, one, paying attention to them and to taking them seriously, because you just can't cipher anymore. Like, who's there for the right reasons.

[Michael Bostick]

And who just stumbled there.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It's like, here's what I compare it to. When you walk into a room full of people and there's a cocktail party, I don't want to know what every single person in the room's thinking of me. Yeah, I don't really. I don't want to know because what they think of me is none of my business. It's the same with the comment section. I don't need to know everyone's. And by the way, I'm also talking about positive comments because you don't want to get drunk on positive comments either. So it's like, for me, it's just like, I'll engage with someone when I see something quick. I love writing back, like Michael said in the DMs, if there's a comment that I see, but I can't, like, get on board with reading every single thing.

[Lauren Everts]

But funny enough, good or bad, like, doing what I do at Dear Media, like, not doing this show. We work with a lot of talent and creators and influencers and celebrity, whatever you call them these days. And the ones that I think have always struggled the most to kind of, like, take off are the ones that are so petrified of, like, what public opinion is saying in any given moment time. Like, I can see it. Like, they'll come, they'll be like, oh, I did this.

[Michael Bostick]

What, should I take it down? Should I leave it up?

[Lauren Everts]

And it's like. And it kind of just never takes off, like, because they're, because they're too scared to kind of, like, step in a direction that they believe in. They're too worried about appeasing the crowds.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

And like, from a business perspective, if I was putting that hat on, like, I can't do a lot with that because it just kind of stays in the middle and never really, like, well.

[Hannah Poynter]

You have to like your reasons. Like, you have to, like, I know who I am. I. I feel like this is like segueing into a different conversation of, like, you need to know your internal values just as much as your external. And if you put all your emphasis on your external values, you're not going to make it. You're going to be, like, destroyed. Like, if. Because people are not going to like the way you look, they're going to Pick apart every little thing. Like, I put my body online a lot in terms of, like, tracking macros, workout programs. Like, it's a lot of body footage. And I am so fine if someone doesn't like the way I look in that realm. I think I lead internally. I also know the person that I am. I know how I show up to my family, my friends, to the person at the coffee shop. So if you are starting something online and you're worried about, you know, controversy, a little controversy or whatever, I agree with you. I think that you're. You gotta have a really thick skin and you gotta know who you are, and you got to be confident in it.

[Lauren Everts]

You know, thing is about putting anything online is you just have to know with 100% certainty that people are going to dislike you.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. Which is hard sometimes. And I have. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

But for anyone, like, there's universally. For anyone, I think, like, there's always somebody that if you're putting yourself out there, doing something differently on your terms, speaking authentically in your voice, there's always going to be somebody that has something bad.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It's like a muscle, though.

[Lauren Everts]

So, like, as soon as you.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

The more you work that muscle, it's like gratitude. The more you work it, the stronger it gets. You just get to a point where, like.

[Lauren Everts]

But I think, like, if you have that perspective and you know that with certainty, then it's like it kind of.

[Michael Bostick]

Takes all the fear.

[Lauren Everts]

Because I think a lot of creators.

[Michael Bostick]

Are new people starting online.

[Lauren Everts]

They get in and they're like, I hope everybody likes me. It's like, if you go in knowing that 100% is not going to happen.

[Michael Bostick]

Like, people will like you, but there's.

[Lauren Everts]

A lot that won't, then it kind of takes the. It's just like, it's part of the equation.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

I mean.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You've talked openly, like you said on your own podcast, about your journey with your boobs.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So, Michael, we're all gonna take our shirts off and show you our boobs. But you had quite the journey with your boobs.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So tell us about you got a boob job once and then you got it redone.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yes.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Okay, so tell us about why you decided to do that.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. So I got my first breast augmentation at 26, and I went to a Beverly Hills surgeon. I did the whole, like, it was very glitzy. It was very glamorous. I. I went in with not knowing enough information. I watched a lot of YouTube vlogs of girls who got breast augmentations that were 52535ft. And so they were like, 350cc is big. Like, 325cc is big. I'm 5 10. Like, I'm tall, but even when I walked in, you're like a model. No, thank you.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

But you're tall.

[Hannah Poynter]

I am tall. I am a very tall girl. I have an athletic frame. So when I got my first surgery, I. After, it was like. I think I went a little bit too small. It was 325cc.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So what would you have if you could go back your first time and tell yourself at 5:10 what to get, what would you have told yourself?

[Hannah Poynter]

It's what I did my second time, which is 590 cc.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

590.

[Hannah Poynter]

Which is.

[Lauren Everts]

What did you do?

[Hannah Poynter]

That's what I'm saying. Wow. That is why I.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

That's good advice, though, to people who are listening that are.

[Lauren Everts]

What did you do?

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

What do you think I did?

[Michael Bostick]

First time?

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

No. Second time?

[Lauren Everts]

400.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. Oh, I also had nothing good. I had 30. I was a 34A. That's very, very. I'm impressed.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

What do you want, a trophy?

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Oh, my God.

[Michael Bostick]

I feel like.

[Lauren Everts]

I feel like that was like a good.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You can cop a feel tonight. Go ahead.

[Hannah Poynter]

But I. Yeah, I was. I honestly just announced my CC on my podcast because it's like my most asked question. But I've been nervous. Not like nervous, but just. It is like, very. It's not 590cc and in this day and age is, like, not common. There's a lot more of, like, a demure look, maybe more natural, and I wanted a fuller look also. I'm 5 10. I have a broader frame. Like, I just can't. And I. My second surgeon was amazing. Dr. Freed in Northern California. The best experience I've ever had. Like, I did Galaflex. He went in. Galaflex is an internal bra. So they sew basically, like they sew the implant on top of the muscle. I did over the muscle, which I recommend if you work out. That's another one where it's kind of back and forth. I'm really glad it over the muscle. There's no, like, pinching underneath the muscle when you work out. And then that's really helps keep it in place. Because my first surgery I had lateral separation and, like, horrible rippling.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You had the lateral separation because you didn't have the internal bra or because you were lifting.

[Hannah Poynter]

I didn't have the internal bra and my surgeon gave me no guidance and like, don't do A lot of chest. I just lifted chest once a day as normal. And so that really started to separate them. And then what happened is, like, you can. You start to be able to see the bag through the skin. And so I'm in a bikini, and you can, like, see the implant bag on the outside, like, rippling through the skin.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So you. What you ended up going with and what you like is. Is 590 for you, because you are 510. And you said that that fits with your body. Yes. And then you did a lateral.

[Hannah Poynter]

I did Galaflex. Galaflex, which is. And I. I actually went in through the nipple, too.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Okay. And then you. You said something else. You did it over the muscle.

[Hannah Poynter]

Over the muscle.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

That's interesting. I've never heard that. I've heard more. Under the muscle.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Because you lift.

[Hannah Poynter]

I lift. And so. And I don't. I do not lift heavy chest anymore. And I just. I mean, I. I'm very careful with chest exercises. I do a lot of upper body. Like, I'm all about, like, toned arms. I've worked really hard to tone my arms, but I don't do a ton of chest movements because it does, like, just genetically, like, my original boobs sat more laterally. Like, everyone has a starting point. And so it's really important to listen to your surgeon and go to a credible surgeon that you get recommended from.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yes.

[Hannah Poynter]

I had a friend go to this next. The second surgery surgeon, Dr. Fried, had an incredible experience. I then went to him and had an incredible experience.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So you know that it's an incredible experience. And I.590 to me sounds big, but looking at you, you look balanced.

[Hannah Poynter]

Sense. Thank you.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Does that make sense? Like, it feels like that's why it's so important to not just get the CCs.

[Lauren Everts]

That's what would happen to somebody that's like, if they were 5, 6, and they had a B cup and they got 590 would be, like, ridiculous. Right.

[Hannah Poynter]

It'd probably be like me getting 700 or something. I don't know.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It'd be like if I got 590. I mean, you saw how big my 4.

[Lauren Everts]

You had like, a big B cup before, right?

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I had a. I had a big B cup before. So then you add.

[Lauren Everts]

I got you.

[Hannah Poynter]

So you were. Yeah, you were you a double D when I got.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

When I got 400. Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

Those things were.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

They were huge. They were bigger than you. But I'm like.

[Hannah Poynter]

I'm sorry. Like, I wanted. I mean, I didn't have any boobs. I Wanted big boobs. Like, I don't.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I don't. I think everyone's different. I just think that, like, to look at what someone else has gotten ccs and base it off that it's. You're right. You have to see what you look like before.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Like, how tall are you?

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

How broad are your shoulders? Like, there's so many different things that go into it. It's not one size fits all.

[Hannah Poynter]

Exactly.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Okay.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm glad we got that.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

We got that out of. We got that out of our.

[Lauren Everts]

Carson.

[Michael Bostick]

You got that. You wrote that down.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So. Okay, why don't you walk us through. Because I know you're a bowl of meat girl.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Yes.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

What you eat in a day. And walk us through the supplements and everything. And Michael, sorry, but I. This is really important, especially with Hannah on the podcast that we hear this.

[Lauren Everts]

I've not stopped anything. I keep up.

[Hannah Poynter]

No, this is so. In a normal.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You can tell us later about your penis implant. I wish.

[Hannah Poynter]

In a normal 590.

[Lauren Everts]

Go for 700.

[Hannah Poynter]

There you go. In a normal. What I eat in a day. I love hard boiled eggs. So I do like. I'm gonna do like three to four hard boiled eggs in the morning. And I'll do with cottage cheese too on the side, a little hot sauce. Or I'll do Greek yogurt. I love Greek yogurt. I'll mix it with cottage cheese.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

How many hard boiled eggs?

[Hannah Poynter]

Three to four. Okay, three to four. And then Greek yogurt mixed with cottage cheese, with fruit. I like to put some flaxseed in there. And then I'll do a little granola. I like. I have a variety of granolas that I kind of will dabble with, but it's one of those. Or I'll do both of those depending on my day. Like one thing with tracking macros. If I have a crazy busy day, I am loading up on the protein in the morning to keep me satiated and actually help me hit my protein because I aim for about 140 to 160 a day. So usually I land like around 150, which is great. And then for lunch, I love tuna. Like, I do a lot of tuna salad. I'll do shredded rotisserie chicken. I'll do even like an egg white omelette. Sometimes I'll do that. I keep lunch really simple. Like I'm busy so I'm eating things. Like I'm not really going all out until dinner and then dinner. I love steak, ground beef, ground turkey. I'll do. I do A lot of, like, ground beef bowls. Now that I'm in a relationship, I cook for my boyfriend a lot. So it's easier to cook like. Like, more fun meals that are a little bit, like, higher volume. They're a little more variety.

[Lauren Everts]

Write that part down.

[Hannah Poynter]

I know. I love to cook. I'm sorry.

[Lauren Everts]

A couple notes.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I do other things than cook.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, you do. No, she. Yeah, you have.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

No, I'm not a fucking octopus.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. Nope. That's what I tell my boyfriend sometimes. I'm like. I feel like I'm just doing all these things. I don't have kids yet. And I'm like, you know, boom, boom, boom. Oh. And that's why I'm waiting. I am waiting.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You will put your castor oil.in your stomach and one will come over and hit it off your. Yeah, you'll. You have to message me when you have kids. Go on, go on.

[Lauren Everts]

You gotta be careful with this boyfriend because what's happening is you're setting the bar real high.

[Hannah Poynter]

I want to talk about that.

[Lauren Everts]

You got to maintain the bar now.

[Hannah Poynter]

No, we're going to talk about the bar.

There you go. Okay. But moving on to dinner. It's some type of protein. And then I'll do, like, sweet potato. I'm obsessed with potatoes, so I'll always do roasted sweet potato or roasted normal potatoes. Sometimes I'll do, like, cinnamon on them. Sometimes I'll do onion powder, salt and pepper. And there's a protein. I also love salmon. Like, I'm like, the least picky eater ever. I kind of will eat anything. We'll do like, a green tea. Like broccoli. Sometimes, like, he loves bread. So we'll do like, sourdough. Something in that realm. Or like, a big salad.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Big.

[Hannah Poynter]

A lot of bowls and salads. And then I love a treat. So I have a treat, like, every night. Like, I have a sweet tooth. That's where I like. That's why I love tracking macros.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

What's the macro? Habits treat.

[Hannah Poynter]

I love. There's this hot chocolate mix I'm obsessed with. It's from the company powders. It's called snooze hot chocolate. The chocolate caramel is so good. And I'm gonna get very detail oriented because I make it perfect. So what? It's 20 calories, too. It has, like, L theanine, magnesium, chamomile. Helps you sleep.

[Lauren Everts]

Sleep thing?

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, it helps you kind of, like, wind down. And so I'll do one scoop of that and like, 8 to 10 ounces of boiling hot water. You gotta froth it for it to, like, fully emulsify.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You always gotta froth it.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yes. And I'll do, like, two to three ounces of whole milk. I am a whole milk girl. I love milk, especially my lattes in the morning. That's another 8 grams of protein I'll get is just my whole milk latte. It's so good. It's so satiating.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I can't even talk about milk anymore. I'm milked out. If I'm a cow, like, the udder has been completely drained. I can't talk about milk anymore. I love whole milk, too.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yes, it's so good. So I'll do 2 to 3 ounces of whole milk and then, like, a little whipped cream. If I'm feeling fancy, I do that. That's kind of what I do throughout the week.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

That sounds like a cocktail I can give my kids. It's like, go to sleep. Here's some hot chocolate.

[Hannah Poynter]

Exactly.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

And then it puts them to sleep. Like Benadryl.

[Hannah Poynter]

It's a hack. I'm sure I should try it on, like, one of my nieces because it's so good. So I do that. But I love getting ice cream. Like, I'm an ice cream girl. So usually one day of the week we'll go and get ice cream.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

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Do you guys hear that? That's fresh. New Skinny Confidential. Drop. Okay, this has been something that I have been working on for the last year. Introducing face towels. Your skincare routine has been reimagined once again. There is no more using butthole towels on your face. There is no more using the towel that your boyfriend has used on his balls. You are going to be using the cleanest face towel on your face with no formaldehyde, no inks, no fragrances, no dyes, no bpa.

[Hannah Poynter]

Okay.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

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[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

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[Unknown Host/Announcer]

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[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

If you drink a cocktail. What is it?

[Hannah Poynter]

I don't drink alcohol.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I knew you were going to say that.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So is that a choice because you don't like alcohol or because of something else?

[Hannah Poynter]

It's a choice I made because it just. I never loved it. And when I would drink, I just didn't feel like I was the best version of myself. I didn't like the way I felt the next morning. I felt puffy. I also, like, always would throw up the next morning. Sorry to get like, like, graphic, but.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I just didn't like it.

[Hannah Poynter]

My body didn't like it. A lot of alcoholism on my dad's side of the family. 1. One side of my family is, like, very different than the other, so I think I just saw that as a child. Also, my parents don't drink, and they've never made it a villain in my house. It just was something they never participated in. Especially my dad. He just was always like, it tastes gross. Like, I don't want to drink it. And so as a kid, I was like, oh, why would I want to drink something that tastes gross? And then when I did kind of dabble with alcohol in college and after college, I just, like, didn't love it. And so I made a decision. I'm like, I'm just not gonna drink.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Also, you're so regimented. Is that how you say the word yeah. In your routine? That I think that that would maybe disrupt that.

[Lauren Everts]

It's really not good for you.

[Hannah Poynter]

It's horrible for you.

[Michael Bostick]

The younger generations don't drink as much.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Okay, well, I, like, I'm I'm like, that's my cocktail. Usually once a week I like to sit down with my margarita, maybe some chips and salsa.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. Which is. And I'm not anti. Like, I think that's great.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

And like, so you have to do it once.

[Lauren Everts]

No, no, it's not great. It's terrible for you.

[Hannah Poynter]

But it's like if you have a healthy relationship with it and that's your thing. Great. Like tons of clients in our program have a glass of wine here and they're like, I think there's nothing wrong with that. Just personally for me, it just doesn't. It's not something I like need. I love my morning coffee. I love having a treat at night. Like there's other things I want to spend the calories in. That's another thing. It's not worth the calories to me.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I totally, I totally understand.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostick]

No you don't.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah, I did. I went alcohol free three times for 10 months.

[Lauren Everts]

Oh. For the babies.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

What is your opinion on peptides?

[Hannah Poynter]

Oh, I'm obsessed. I'm on them right now.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Which ones?

[Hannah Poynter]

So I just wrapped up a cycle of CJC 1295 plus Evarelin, which is the growth hormone one which helps stimulate muscle growth, helps with fat loss, body recomposition, sleep. And then I did BPC157. I did that combo together for three months. I'm stopping CJC periodically. Now I'm on a glow blend which I feel like you are going to be really interested in this because it's for like your collagen, your skin health. It's TB500, BPC157 and then copper.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So DM me all these different.

[Hannah Poynter]

I'll damn you all of them. But I'm on the glow blend right now. And peptides. Like I've noticed a big difference. I feel like someone looking at me might notice a difference, but obviously everyone hyper fixates on themselves. And when you're in that fine tuning phase, little changes like are exciting.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Yeah.

[Hannah Poynter]

So I've noticed a lot more vascularity. Like when I'm lifting, I have like more of a pump. I do feel like I put on a little bit more muscle, which is exciting for me. I'm 5 10. It's very hard for me to build muscle. Like for me to build arm muscle. Like my arm is so long. I know it sounds kind of weird, but it's harder for me to build muscle than a shorter person.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

That makes sense. I understand that.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. Sometimes I get like, I don't know, I'm like, that is how that is my experience. I have to put in the work in the gym to build a little muscle periodically over a long period of time and eat a ton of protein.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

How has mouth taping changed your life? And I feel like I can ask you this because I've seen you do it night after night after night.

[Hannah Poynter]

Okay. I think it's helped my jawline, which I. I'm like, I really do. Like, I think it's on my jawline. My sleep is so much better. I'm also like a dental height. Like, I'm very into like oral health. And I. I know it's bad to mouth breathe. It's bad for like, like your breath.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I just makes your breath smell. To mouth breathe.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Put the tape on.

[Hannah Poynter]

I also just feel like when I. I'm very. I'm a creature of habit and when I do a routine, my body responds well. So when I put that mouth tape on, I take my. Lemme sleep, brush my teeth, put my mouth tape on, castor oil, and I'm like, okay, I'm ready to go to bed.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Like, my body's your body.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. And I sleep really good. I. I love it. And it's like, it's funny because my boyfriend, like, I'm trying to get him to mouth tape and he like, is like, I'm suffocating. I'm like, man up.

[Lauren Everts]

Up.

[Hannah Poynter]

Like, man up.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Seriously.

[Hannah Poynter]

Like, you can do it.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

When I have a cold, I do it. And what's so weird time to do it? Because it's horrible for 10 minutes. Like you want. You're dying.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

But when you get through the 10 minutes, your sinuses are cleared.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It's so weird.

[Hannah Poynter]

It's amazing and it's interesting.

[Lauren Everts]

Like, we have kids, obviously little kids, and like, you will watch them and if you like, and you'll see, like, obviously this happens with pacifier stuff. But naturally the kids want to breathe out of their nose. And when you can let. You can like kind of help them get there. And once they start doing it, their sleep is.

[Hannah Poynter]

Do you mouth tape your kids?

[Lauren Everts]

We don't mouth tape our kids. That'd be a little extreme.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I asked, but we do. Asked my daughter, I said, can you do the little kids?

[Lauren Everts]

If you want, but no, but they.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Make one for kids.

[Lauren Everts]

But you can just go in and like push their. Like, like, like sometimes they'll go, and I'll see my son right now because he's four months, and if it's malice and I'll go like this and it'll he'll like, fit for a second, but.

[Michael Bostick]

Then all of a sudden he'll get.

[Lauren Everts]

Into, like a deep nasal sleep.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I've been closing my kids mouth, like, since they were born. Even when they were newborns, I'm always closing their mouth. It's really, really good to promote the nasal breathing.

[Lauren Everts]

Think about it from like a. Just a jaw structure perspective. And why people's jawlines will improve is you're just like walking around with your mouth hanging open nine hours a day. Like you're going to get a slack jaw. Look.

[Hannah Poynter]

Well, gravity is real. You should have died.

[Lauren Everts]

I don't have. I have a reverse issue where I have to figure it out that causes other things where I clench at night. So, like, mine's the exact.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It's a centimeter open.

[Lauren Everts]

No, no, no. I. I literally talked to Dr. Jerry.

[Hannah Poynter]

Has helped my clenching. Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I think you need to try them out.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah, I'm like, in there deep, like.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauren Everts]

But that causes another form of sleep apnea, which I gotta.

[Hannah Poynter]

Full massage.

[Lauren Everts]

No, I need to do that. And I get bad headaches, so I need. If they're like saying I gotta like. Yeah, I got all sorts of things.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So you love mouth taping?

[Hannah Poynter]

Love it.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Okay. I'm obsessed with it too. And it's fun to talk to someone that's seen the jawline benefits because it's such a weird one, but it makes your masseter muscles.

[Lauren Everts]

But if you would have looked at us previous to mouth tape, it would have been like. She would have been like, hanging open and I would have been like, clenched shut. So we need, like, I need to be like, a little bit less clenched. She needs to be a little tighter.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. You need to find somewhere in the middle.

[Lauren Everts]

Yeah.

[Hannah Poynter]

With the masseters really quick. One thing about, like, TMJ is I don't know if you've heard this, but the masseter Botox, that you get it in, like, you get it right here, it releases it. That can also cause jowling. So I got. I got masseter Botox and I didn't like. This was like, probably. This is like a year and a half ago. And I didn't like the way, like, it slimmed my face too much.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Huh.

[Hannah Poynter]

So I think that's something to be careful of if you have tmj. Like, a lot of injectors are, you know, prone to, like. Yeah, like, get the master Botox. It does help the tmj, but you have to be careful of the way your face shape is.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You know what I just got yesterday? I feel Like I can tell you that trap talks.

[Hannah Poynter]

Oh, I bet that is, that's something I'm really interested in.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I noticed that I was putting a lot of I like hunch right now in my traps.

[Hannah Poynter]

Traps.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

And I want to activate my back.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Like with weights.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So my trainer and I talked and she was like, let's try trap talks to relax. And I got it in my traps. It was really quick. She went. And then automatically you can feel your traps just relax out of your ears. And it's almost like a weight is out of the shoulder.

[Hannah Poynter]

Okay.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

It's really, listen, everyone's gotta do them. But I liked how it felt. I'm not a huge botox person. And all over the face. I like it in between my lines on my face and then my forehead. But the trap talks was interesting to me and I like how it looks.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, no, I've seen that, I've seen a lot of that on Instagram. A lot of girls who lift do it because it helps transfer the energy like you said, to your back. I feel like for body recomp, having big traps for girls is not something that like you're trying to get that muscle will like overtake.

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Yes.

[Hannah Poynter]

A lot of mind to muscle connection.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

I think if you lift weights, it's worth looking into. So I, I, I liked it. If you were to leave our audience with a bunch of tips and tricks as a coach that you think will really help with wellness and weight loss and metabolism support. Go off. Give us all the tips.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah. I think slowly increasing your protein intake is key. Not only is that going to boost your metabolism, protein is like the hardest macronutrient to break down. So your body burns the most calories digesting protein. So when you're eating protein, you're boosting your metabolism.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

You're also growing your hair with the aminos.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yes, hair, skin, nails, all of that stuff. And then I would say if with food, that's like my takeaway is eat more protein. But if you're only eating 50 grams a day, don't jump to 150. Like, don't watch my. What I eat a day. 150. Like I would go to 80 and then I would let your body level slowly go up so you don't get burnt out or have that like indigestion and bloating issues that protein can sometimes cause.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

What's your favorite protein powder?

[Hannah Poynter]

Active stacks? Chocolate. It's a beef collagen protein. It's three ingredients. It's dairy free, gluten free. It's so Good. The chocolate's the best. Get the chocolate I have. Like that was the first affiliate I ever had. Even like starting macrohobits. Like it is the best chocolate protein. That's, that's the one I would recommend anyone. And it's also dairy free, gluten free, so majority of people can have it. I like to just make a protein shake, ice cream milk blended up and it actually has like a really good chocolate milk taste. It doesn't have like a gritty, super whey heavy protein. It's beef collagen. So it's so good for like your hair, skin and nails, all of that stuff. It's low calorie, high protein. That's my go to protein powder. So eat more protein. And then I would move your body in a way that you look forward to. Like if you are waking up every day and you're dreading your workout, change it.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Agreed.

[Hannah Poynter]

Like, I, I wake up in the morning. People like, how do you wake up so early? I'm like, my morning is my favorite part of my day. Like it is quiet part of the day. I romanticize it. I have a very structured morning routine. My morning is like my mind, body and spirit. Like I'm getting right in all areas.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

What's the morning routine?

[Hannah Poynter]

So I wake up between 4:30 and 5:30. I know I'm an early riser. I know I, I love it though. Like I love the morning. I go to bed early so I'm getting like a good amount of sleep. And then the first thing I do is I pray. I get on my knees, I say a prayer. That's something that like has really changed my life is like fostering my relationship with God. And really like I was, I grew up in a religious home. I actually grew up Mormon, but I'm not active Mormon anymore. And I think developing a relationship with God outside of religion has truly changed my life. So I like to pray in the morning and I turn on worship music for 15 minutes and I have a worship music playlist that's really, really good. And it just like gets my mind right. It's before I listen to podcasts or listen to music. Like I just feel like that 20 minutes of the day is really important. And then I like, I kind of like take my castor oil patch off. I have my workout clothes laid out. Everything's laid out the night before. So I wake up, I know exactly what I'm wearing. My pre workout is right there. I have my water filled. Everything I need is on the table. So I like Your morning routine starts at night. If you wake up in the morning, you have no idea what you're gonna wear. You're not gonna get out of bed. When I get out of bed, I'm like, that's there. That's there. I know what I'm gonna do. I know the workout I'm doing. I know what I'm lifting. Very structured in that way. And I ice roll on the way to the gym. So I put on, like, sunscreen. I'll gouache sometimes, but usually I'll gouache before I shower. Ice roll the way to the gym, get to the gym, do my workout. I have coffee after. Electrolytes, the protein, all that stuff.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

So you have your structure.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Okay, keep going with what you were saying with. With the audience. You're giving us all the tips to be our best self.

[Hannah Poynter]

Move your body in a way that you like. Like, if you are dreading your workout, change it. I always recommend strength training, but if you're going in the gym and you're killing yourself and you're sore the next day, change the way you work out. I used to be so sore after I lifted, and I was like, oh, I'm doing a great job, but I was puffy. I was. I had a lot of inflammation. I've honestly, like, lost more inflammation the last year. It might seem like I've lost weight, but it really is just, like, inflammation and water retention. And then I would say doing some type of outdoor walk, whether it's 15 minutes to 30 minutes, is really beneficial for the mental health. And then.

I would say 100 ounces of water.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

We've got the tips here. I'm gonna do the castor oil belly button. Michael, I'm gonna be dropping that in your.

[Hannah Poynter]

Yeah, you should do it. Clean the linton, see how you feel.

[Lauren Everts]

I got a deep belly button.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Oh, this belly button, whenever he puts a shirt on, has, like, lint that's like a mile long.

[Lauren Everts]

Some people have deeper belly buttons, Lauren.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Okay.

[Hannah Poynter]

You really should try it.

[Lauren Everts]

I'm going to try. I'm going to.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Would recommend that everyone who's listening go and follow you, because I feel like your content is, like, what. It's very, like, the same vibe of the Skinny Confidential. Like, it's very, like, you're so disciplined, and you make it happen, and you've really, to me, like, created your own future, and I admire that.

[Hannah Poynter]

Thank you.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Where can everyone find you? Where can they book a program with you? Where can they count their macros with you?

[Unknown Host/Announcer]

Tell us.

[Hannah Poynter]

So my Instagram handle is at macro underscore habits. And then my podcast I just launched is Macrabbits podcast. It's on YouTube, you can find on any anywhere you listen. And then if you're wanting a workout program, I'm on Playbook. And all this is linked to my Instagram. So Curves and Core just launched and it's a four week dumbbell program. There's dumbbells, bands and a bench. So it's easy to do when you're traveling. Like November is a busy month. So I highly recommend doing the Curves and Core program. It's a lot of glutes in this one. I have programs that are more upper body focused. This one's a lot of glutes, so I would do that. And then you can also. All my coaching is on macrohabits.com I have a 12 week one on one program we're booking for November, December, January. And then I have custom independent macro plans. So if you're someone that has experience in tracking macros and you just need a reverse dieting plan or you need a new macro split, or you want my opinion, you can go fill out the start form on my website. That's kind of like step number one. And then I'm also on TikTok Hannah Pointer, but I would say I spend most of my time on Instagram.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

Thank you so much for coming on the show.

[Hannah Poynter]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Lauryn Evarts Bosstick]

We really appreciate it. So many good tips.

[Hannah Poynter]

Thank you.