The Truth About Your 20s & 30s: Life Lessons On Mindset, Money, Relationships, & Growth With Michael Bosstick & Mimi Evarts

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show Episode: The Truth About Your 20s & 30s: Life Lessons On Mindset, Money, Relationships, & Growth With Michael Bosstick & Mimi Evarts
Release Date: August 14, 2025
Hosts: Michael Bosstick & Mimi Evarts

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Introduction

In this episode of The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show, host Michael Bosstick steps in alongside Mimi Evarts to explore the complexities of navigating one’s 20s and 30s. With his wife Lauren on maternity leave, Michael engages Mimi in a candid conversation about mindset, money, relationships, and personal growth during these pivotal decades.

Navigating Your 20s: Advice and Insights

Michael opens the discussion by reflecting on the pressures faced in one's 20s to achieve success swiftly. He shares personal experiences from his own 20s and 30s, emphasizing the importance of patience and embracing the journey rather than rushing towards milestones.

Michael Bosstick [01:36]: "If I could go back, I would have said, hey, be patient, take your time, have a little bit more fun, fail a lot, mess up a lot, enjoy being in your 20s."

He underscores that societal pressures, amplified by social media, often make individuals feel inadequate if they aren't achieving at an accelerated pace. Michael advises against the unnecessary stress of measuring oneself against outliers who attain success early.

Michael Bosstick [05:13]: "The pressure to succeed can create a bunch of unnecessary stress in your life."

Mindset and Stress Management

Mimi shares her focus on gratitude and positive thinking as tools that have significantly shaped her personal growth. The conversation delves into the importance of perspective, where Michael highlights that even on bad days, many have it worse, fostering a mindset of resilience and appreciation.

Michael Bosstick [09:15]: "Even my shittiest day is someone's best day."

Michael discusses his own method of handling negativity by being critical yet constructive with himself, ensuring he learns from mistakes without dwelling excessively.

Michael Bosstick [16:43]: "I do the work to get out of it and then move forward and never think about it again."

Money and Investing: Early Investments and Regrets

A significant portion of the episode addresses financial management in one’s 20s. Michael candidly admits regrets about not investing earlier and wasting money on nightclubs and other frivolous expenditures. He emphasizes the power of compound interest and advises starting investments as early as possible to build substantial wealth over time.

Michael Bosstick [75:54]: "I wish I would have just taken a huge percentage of the money I was wasting or doing dumb things with and put it into low cost index funds."

Michael stresses that starting to invest early can lead to financial stability and reduce stress in later years, contrasting it with the struggles of those who neglect financial planning during their youth.

Relationships and Growth: Building and Outgrowing Friendships

The hosts explore how relationships evolve as one advances through different life stages. Michael discusses the necessity of outgrowing certain friendships that become toxic or no longer align with one’s current lifestyle and responsibilities.

Michael Bosstick [26:43]: "I think that the friendships that make you feel bad about your decisions are the ones that get left behind or you outgrow."

Mimi echoes the sentiment, highlighting her own experiences of prioritizing deeper, more meaningful connections over superficial social engagements. Both emphasize the importance of surrounding oneself with supportive individuals who understand and respect one’s life choices.

Book Recommendations: Foundational Reads for Personal Growth

A substantial segment of the podcast is dedicated to book recommendations that have influenced Michael’s approach to business and personal development. He highlights classics like Dale Carnegie’s How to Stop Worrying and Start Living and Robert Greene’s The 48 Laws of Power, among others, discussing their enduring relevance and practical applications.

Michael Bosstick [42:14]: "If you’re struggling and you think your life is bad or that you’re, you know, going through something hard, like, read [Viktor Frankl’s] Man’s Search for Meaning and you’ll never feel bad for yourself again."

Mimi shares her appreciation for The Daily Stoic, emphasizing its role in her daily routine for maintaining mental resilience and clarity.

Personal Development: Impact of Hosting the Show

Michael reflects on how hosting The Skinny Confidential Him & Her Show has significantly contributed to his personal growth and maturity. Engaging with a diverse array of guests has broadened his perspectives, surpassing what traditional education or a singular career path could offer.

Michael Bosstick [64:35]: "I feel like I've learned more doing this show, cramming all of these conversations and interviews, than I could have ever learned in college or at one singular job."

He acknowledges that the continuous influx of different viewpoints and expertise has been instrumental in shaping his approach to life and business.

Rapid-Fire Q&A: Lighter Topics and Personal Anecdotes

In the latter part of the episode, Michael and Mimi engage in a rapid-fire segment, addressing fun and personal questions that provide deeper insight into their personalities and experiences:

• Guilty Pleasures:

  Michael Bosstick [78:54]: "I'll eat a chocolate chip cookie... I will indulge."

• Books that Changed His Thinking:

  Michael Bosstick [42:14]: How to Stop Worrying and Start Living

• Spontaneous Actions: Michael humorously discusses his lack of spontaneity, contrasting his planned nature with Mimi’s adventurous spirit, particularly recounting her spontaneous trip to Korea during COVID-19 lockdowns.

• Go-to Advice: Michael emphasizes the importance of focusing on meaningful relationships and early investments.

Michael Bosstick [83:13]: "Stay focused and be really serious about one woman in one relationship, even at a very young age."

Conclusion

The episode wraps up with reflections on personal growth, the importance of learning from past experiences, and the value of fostering a supportive and growth-oriented environment. Michael and Mimi provide actionable takeaways for listeners navigating their 20s and 30s, encouraging patience, strategic financial planning, and the cultivation of meaningful relationships.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Michael Bosstick [01:36]: "If I could go back, I would have said, hey, be patient, take your time, have a little bit more fun, fail a lot, mess up a lot, enjoy being in your 20s."

• Mimi Evarts [05:14]: "You made sure to do that."

• Michael Bosstick [09:15]: "Even my shittiest day is someone's best day."

• Michael Bosstick [16:43]: "I do the work to get out of it and then move forward and never think about it again."

• Michael Bosstick [75:54]: "I wish I would have just taken a huge percentage of the money I was wasting or doing dumb things with and put it into low cost index funds."

• Michael Bosstick [26:43]: "I think that the friendships that make you feel bad about your decisions are the ones that get left behind or you outgrow."

• Michael Bosstick [42:14]: How to Stop Worrying and Start Living

• Michael Bosstick [64:35]: "I feel like I've learned more doing this show, cramming all of these conversations and interviews, than I could have ever learned in college or at one singular job."

• Michael Bosstick [83:13]: "Stay focused and be really serious about one woman in one relationship, even at a very young age."

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This summary encapsulates the core discussions and insights shared by Michael Bosstick and Mimi Evarts, providing valuable perspectives for listeners seeking guidance on managing the trials of their 20s and 30s.

Transcript

[Michael Bostic]

The following podcast is a Dear Media Production. She's a lifestyle blogger extraordinaire.

[Mimi Everts]

Fantastic.

[Michael Bostic]

And he's a serial entrepreneur, a very smart cookie. And now, Lauren Everts and Michael Bostic are bringing you along for the ride.

[Mimi Everts]

Get ready for some major realness.

[Michael Bostic]

Welcome to the Skinny Confidential, him and her. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the Skinny Confidential, him and her show. Today we have myself, Michael Bostick. I am missing my co host of a wife because she's still on maternity leave. For some reason, she thinks she gets longer than a week break after having a baby. It's absolutely absurd. I'm carrying the weight of the show on my back. But don't worry, we have her sister. Our sister, I would say now, Mimi Everts on the podcast. And today we're diving into one of the most pivotal and misunderstood decades of your life. Your 20s. Dun, dun, dun. This episode is for anyone that's trying to navigate the pressure to succeed, build real confidence, navigate life, find clarity in their career, in their life and their relationships. I know in my 20s, I was all over the place. Hell, even in my 30s and still kind of all over the place. So if this episode can be helpful for anyone that's kind of navigating earlier in life, I hope it can be sharing wisdom that I've learned in close to two decades since I've been in my 20s. That's kind of crazy to say that. With that, Mimi, welcome back to the show. And Lauren, hopefully you get back soon.

[Mimi Everts]

Hello. Thank you for having me.

[Michael Bostic]

All right. Thank you for doing this with me today and thank you for being patient. I was prepping in the other room.

[Mimi Everts]

Doing your hair.

[Michael Bostic]

No, my hair's not that done today. I did.

[Mimi Everts]

You know, it is a little wild. I like it way better like this.

[Michael Bostic]

I'm trying different things.

[Mimi Everts]

Not so like, helmety, I've been told.

[Michael Bostic]

Hey, don't you dare come on my show and insult me in the first five minutes. I'm just kidding. No, I've been told to let it. Let it fly a little bit. So anyways, thanks for doing this. When's the last time you and I actually did a show together?

[Mimi Everts]

Like when we did that Red Flags and deal breakers one in 2022.

[Michael Bostic]

And remember, we did the Red Flags thing and the guy that we said is a red flag got really mad. Cause we called him, he lost it.

[Mimi Everts]

I had to block him.

[Michael Bostic]

I wonder if he's gonna see this again.

[Mimi Everts]

I hope so. Hi. Add me to your Red Flags.

[Michael Bostic]

Oh, God. I'll reach out to him.

[Mimi Everts]

Great.

[Michael Bostic]

I Wonder I remember that drama, that episode. Anyways, anyone that's wondering when that episode was, it's been a while. Just search Mimi Everts podcast and you'll see it. So anyways, welcome back. Am I leading this or are you leading I leading this? It's. It's my fucking show, Carson. I should be leading it. Okay, we have questions and briefs, so. No, you're, you're.

[Mimi Everts]

I love how you yelled at Carson like he's the one confused, but it's really.

[Michael Bostic]

Listen, Carson's right in my line of sight and Emily's over there and she's a little bit. Have to crick my neck a little bit too far. Maybe I should have yelled at both. I'm just yelling in that direction.

[Mimi Everts]

Maybe you should consider moving the desk. So that's not an issue.

[Michael Bostic]

I like to get positive feedback from the producer. If I say like a joke on.

[Mimi Everts]

The show, that must be rare.

[Michael Bostic]

Laughing. It's kind of rare, you know, it's the rarest. Is Taylor, when we recorded him in LA, getting a compliment out of Taylor is. It's like one out of every 40 shows.

[Mimi Everts]

Really?

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, it's unbelievable. It's like. And it's usually.

[Mimi Everts]

That's because he's just not like listening or caring.

[Michael Bostic]

I don't know what it is. It's just he's hard to get a compliment from. If we have a porn star on, for sure he's complimenting, he's complimenting her. Yeah, that's a little bit of an HR thing. No, you're okay. So anyways, let's, let's not get sidetracked. You have the first question. Opening question. Oh, it says me. Me, Tylee.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah, here we go.

[Michael Bostic]

Come on, keep up here.

[Mimi Everts]

If you could sit across from your 20 something year old self and give him one piece of advice, what would it be?

[Michael Bostic]

I've said this before, it's gonna sound cliche. I'll say it again. I think you don't realize when you're young how much time you have. In my 20s, I was in way too much of a rush and cut way too many corners and thought that I needed to do everything right away. And here I am at 38, you know, getting close to 40, and I still feel like I've barely scratched the surface. And I have, you know, many more accomplishments since I was in my 20s. But I don't know, you feel this like. And maybe you feel this way, you feel this pressure. Especially nowadays when you can see your friends and other people doing all these things to kind of do things much faster and sooner than maybe our parents or their parents would have, and to kind of have this success quicker than maybe you deserve. And so I think that created a bunch of unnecessary stress in my life. And it probably stresses a lot of people that are listening or watching as well, that are in their 20s or even early 30s or even, honestly 40s, where they just feel like they're not as far as they should be in life. And I think I put a lot of unfair pressure on myself. So if I could go back, I would have said, hey, be patient, Take your time. Have a little bit more fun, Fail a lot, mess up a lot, enjoy being in your 20s. Because now as I'm older and I have like. And I think, like, when I was in my 20s, I had basically no responsibilities. Right. Like, if you think. If you think about it, yeah, I. My responsibilities were make enough money so that you can scratch by and pay one more month's rent and go out to the bar one more weekend or whatever you like doing.

[Mimi Everts]

You made sure to do that.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, I did it way too. I did do that. I did have fun doing that. But, you know, now as I'm much older, I'm like, okay, well, I've got a company with, you know, close to a hundred people that rely on me. I've got three kids now. I've got a wife. I've got family, extended family that rely on me. And if I do things that I.

[Mimi Everts]

Rely on you to book the vacations.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mimi Everts]

I don't know where I'd be without you.

[Michael Bostic]

Probably some gutter somewhere. Who knows, right? Who knows? No, you'd be fine. But I just, like, think back when I was that young, it's like I only really had to worry about myself or like, later, just Lauren and me. But even honestly, like, if you mess up as a young couple, it's like, what, you just, like, downgrade into a cheaper condo or a cheaper place. Like, it's easy to figure things out. I think that's a perspective that also people in their 20s should. Should know. It's like you could literally go broke eight times in your 20s and be completely fine.

[Mimi Everts]

I think that reminds me, you said this to me the other day when you're looking around like you were saying there's people in your age range who were doing better, and you're comparing yourself, but those people are the anomaly, not the norm. You said that to me. And it's like. It's like comparing yourself to something that's not realistic or it's not everyone.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, it's like, you know, I was reading the paper today. God, I'm getting old. I was reading it and I was reading there was this article about how you see, you know, these 30 year old tech billionaires or millionaires or whatever, but you don't realize like the majority of people that have made that kind of wealth, if you actually look at the data in like their 60s and 70s, they're much older. And so like you'll read these stories about some guy that created the great AI platform or somebody that has a big headline or whatever and you think that that's like the norm of those people and that those are the outliers. Not to say that you shouldn't aspire to those kind of people, but. But yeah, and so, but anyways back, I wish I would have been a little bit more patient and slowed down a little bit because like I said, you could screw up so many times in your 20s, like you could literally go through all of your 20s and mess up the entire time and end up in your at 30 and be like, okay, now I'm ready to start. And nobody would penalize you. Like, yeah, that's normal. Like normal, Normal people get started in their 30s. Like no, no older person is expecting you to have it all figured out in your 20s. And so you might as well just like try and try and fail and mess around because when you get to the point where you actually have responsibilities, like I now have to be much more responsible with how I behave, how I think, the decisions I make, like if I do something stupid and you know, it puts the company at jeopardy, people's lives and you know, salaries could be hurt or if I do something that jeopardizes my family or whatever. So like there's things that I have to think about now where I was 20s, like, just do whatever you want. Not whatever you want, but you know what I mean?

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah, within reason.

[Michael Bostic]

Within reason. So yeah, just be more patient. That's what I would tell myself.

[Mimi Everts]

I like that advice.

[Michael Bostic]

All right, I got a question for you. You're living in your 20s right now. What's one thing you have learned that has shaped who you're becoming?

[Mimi Everts]

There's two parts of this, okay? I think my early 20s, the most important thing that shaped who I am today was traveling and getting a new perspective. I feel like I wouldn't be the same person today if I hadn't have traveled and made that a priority. Even when I didn't have money. It's like I would, I was living with my parents, but I would rather travel than spend it on rent. And I think that that was the right thing to do because now I have a job and I'm more stable. I have a boyfriend. I can't just like, you know, fuck off to Italy over summer. And so I think that that was really important. And then another thing is I try and be more grateful. I try and wake up every day and the first thought I try and control, I say, ah, my bed's so comfortable, or like, oh, I'm so happy to be where I am, or I'm happy to be at home, or I'm happy, you know, my sheets are soft. Whatever. It's normally about the bed because I don't want to get up. But regardless, it's positive. And I think that that helps shape my whole day.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, it's good that you figured it out early because a lot of people still haven't figured that out. Even people older than me and same age as me. Like, a lot of people just never figure out that perspective and they go through life miserable and they choose to be miserable. And I really think that you make that decision. Like everybody has circumstances, whether good or bad. But I think you really like, you get to choose how you feel about those circumstances. A lot of people choose the, the bad way.

[Mimi Everts]

Even my shittiest day is someone's best day.

[Michael Bostic]

If you're listening to this podcast, I. That's the same. I mean, they're like I, I've said on this show for years, like, if you have the ability to have a device that is listening to this or watching this, like you're life is better than 90% of the, of the world. Right. People don't realize if you just look at the numbers. There's a book called Factfulness. I know we're getting into books later and it's all about how the world's actually gotten better and it's based on facts and numbers as opposed to worse. But a lot of people just think the world's getting worse and worse and worse. But if you read this book Factfulness. Factfulness, I think it's factful or factfulness. And you can look it up. It's a big red.

[Mimi Everts]

Do you think that's just more availability of people who have a platform to complain or like spread that.

[Michael Bostic]

There's a book called by Morgan Housel called Same as ever and there's a chapter in there that I can't remember the name of the chapter.

[Mimi Everts]

But you don't remember the name of the chapter?

[Michael Bostic]

No. I know.

[Mimi Everts]

It's the page number, Steel Trap.

[Michael Bostic]

It's on page 213. I'm just kidding. But it was talking about how in the past, the news you would read would be, like, from a local newspaper because that's all you had access to. So you would read about, like, Tim at the tire store, like, saving a cat.

[Mimi Everts]

And you're like, down at the factory.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. Or you do like, like, like Jenny at the ice cream shop. Like, you know, helped a kid, you know, with a broken leg or something, like.

[Mimi Everts]

And then like, up town.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, like, once in a while, something bad would happen and it would, like, shake the town. And then as it got bigger, then it's like you'd read the city paper and then it was like the state and then like the country. And I was like, now the world. So he was saying, like, what are the chances that something bad happens in a small town every day? Slim. What are the chances that something bad happens in the world every day? Really great. Like, really high. Like, and so what people focus in on now is, like, the bad things that happen every day because there's an abundance if you open up the worldview as opposed to like, what we used to read, which was. Or see which was right in front of us or local. So there was, you know, it was more. It's not that more bad things are happening. It's that you can see those bad things happen in much more real time and much more abundantly because you're seeing.

[Mimi Everts]

The world news that makes sense. Right.

[Michael Bostic]

Like, if there's a bombing over here and a murder over there and whatever over here. You read all about that stuff where in the past you would just, like, you just get bits and pieces. So it's not that there's more of it. It's that it's just more widely visible.

[Mimi Everts]

And reported on, which is maybe a good thing. But.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, I think it's. It just goes down to. It comes back to perspective. Like, if your perspective is that everything in the world is bad all the time, then that will become your reality. Then everything in the world is battle time. But if you. You also have the right to, to kind of look around like, what is good? That's, you know, there's, you know, our friend takes the natural. He has that, that.

[Mimi Everts]

That meme account.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. And it's his meme account, but he's also got like, tanks. Good news.

[Mimi Everts]

Okay.

[Michael Bostic]

And it's an account that just shares good news that's happened. I like stuff like that because it's like, you don't have to always read about bad, you know. Anyways. All right, let's continue it on.

[Mimi Everts]

Okay. Was there a moment where you felt left behind and how did you work through it?

[Michael Bostic]

I have an interesting ability, and I think this has honestly been. I have few superpowers, but if this is one of my superpowers is I have the ability to pay very little attention to those around me. Meaning, like, I've never been in a business or a company where I. Or, like, even doing this show where I look at what other people are really doing. Like, I'm aware broadly, you know, if you ever see me get interviewed about one of the companies and, like, and they asked me about my competitors, I kind of look like a deer in headlights because I, I, I'm aware that there's people that compete in the spaces that we're in, but I don't really pay attention to what and how and with who that they're doing, you know.

[Mimi Everts]

Like, Or I'm interviewing you right now. You look like a deer in headlights.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, it's always, yeah, but so anyways, I. So I think it's a superpower. And maybe there's some advice here where I've never really felt left behind because I've never compared myself to anyone else or at any or where anyone else is. I. And the reverse that I've talked about on the show, I will meet somebody that's further ahead or that has done more, and I am able to draw inspiration from that. So, like, say, I remember early on, I met, you know, Gary Vee and what he was doing his show. And I remember being, like, super inspired by what he was doing on the AskGaryVee show. And funny enough, like, the very first interview that Lauren and I ever did together was on the AskGaryVee show in 2016 and our show launch right after. But I remember, like, I wasn't like, oh, I'm not doing it. My perspective was, okay, Gary's a decade older than me. He's been doing this a lot longer than me. Super cool, what he's doing. And it was like, one of the inspirations to do this.

[Mimi Everts]

Did you know that you wanted to do a podcast when you went on that show? Like, where was it already in the works? Or was that like, fuck, we need to do it right now?

[Michael Bostic]

Well, we had, yeah, we were listening to podcasts, so we knew we're gonna do the podcast before. But I would look at someone like him or Tim Ferriss or ritual, like, a lot of the early guys or Rogan. Like, just people that. People that we would listen to and I would be inspired by what they were doing. And then, like, as we've gone along, obviously, there's a lot of people that have come into the space. And I always admire when people are able to do well. I never look at them like, oh, it's. You know, I feel behind. I think you have to. I think the. The piece of advice that I would give to most people is you have to ask yourself daily or monthly or yearly, like, are you a better version of yourself today than you were yesterday or last week? So, like, I'm a really, really tough competitor, and I. And there's nobody that beats themselves up more. Like, if I do something wrong, I promise you, there's nobody that's harder on themselves than me. Like, I. In my head, it's disgusting. It's like, masochist almost. But I'm only competing with myself. So I will be, like. I will say, okay, like, how do I be better than what I am today? How do I, you know, be better, dad? How do I get in better shape? How do I. How do I build a bigger company? How do I earn whatever it is, like, I'm competing on against that?

[Mimi Everts]

How do you get out of that headspace? That was another one of the questions. It's when you're in a negativity headspace and you're not getting any external validation.

[Michael Bostic]

I suffer through it. Like, I mean, I think, like, anybody that is trying to achieve anything in life that says they don't get by, like. I mean, listen, like, I have to do work to drag myself out of being in a negative space because my brain is wired in a way where if I don't, you know, pull myself out of there, I could get pretty negative again, not because of other external factors, but because of just how I am with myself. I'm hard on myself, right? I demand a lot from myself. I have a. I have a. Like, I always say, like, I want. I want to achieve things in life not for the material, but because, like, it's. I'm. The sport I chose to play is against myself. Right? And trying to be the best version. But yeah, I mean, like, sometimes, like, if I make a mistake or I do something that's. That's not smart, or if I, you know, cut a corner or if I get in a fight with my wife or do. Or if I'm, you know, impatient with my kids, like, I will beat myself up. And I have to remind myself that it's. Oh, it's just a mistake, and it happens, and you do the work to get out of it.

[Mimi Everts]

One thing that I've noticed about you is that you move so fast, and so you'll be hard on yourself. Like you're saying, maybe it's, you know, you cut a corner and you're like, I shouldn't have done that. But you'll fret about it for two hours and then you'll never do it again. Or like, you'll make it right. I think it's like you quickly fix the situation instead of some people like me. Sometimes I'll be bothered by something and be so stressed. I'm like, I can't deal with this right now. And then it makes it way worse.

[Michael Bostic]

I think it's important. Well, thank you for saying that. But I think it's important for individuals when they make a mistake to not just tell themselves it's okay. And maybe this is because I had a, you know, mother and grandmother who were hypercritical of those mistakes some. You know, I think I read an article again in the paper the other day. It's like the era of gentle parenting is gone.

[Mimi Everts]

And now it's the, I just sent.

[Michael Bostic]

You this today, the fuck around and.

[Mimi Everts]

Find out the era.

[Michael Bostic]

I grew up in that fuck around, find out era. You know what I mean? So I'm. It's kind of weird that it's coming back, but, you know, I think we. And I've talked about this on this show. Like, we're so quick to be like, it's okay. Mistakes happen. We're all, we're okay as we are. Like, we're going to be all that kind of stuff. When I do something that's wrong or it's a mistake, I don't tell myself that. I'm like, fuck, you are an idiot, man. Like, that was really stupid. Or like, that was not okay. Or like, you are in whatever it may be. And I can take in the external, like, if Lauren's on me or like, somebody if I do something, I can hear that. But what I'm saying to myself is way worse. But then to your point, I have the ability to take that feedback and be like, okay, learn from that and don't do that again. Right? Like, I think the definition of insanity is keep doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Obviously didn't come up with that. But when I see people consistently making the same mistakes in their businesses, with their finances, with their dating, with the way that they show up in friendships with their children, it's like, at some point, the problem is not all the things around you. It's probably you because you're not able to be critical of yourself and say, hey, the way you're behaving is not okay. So I'll make a mistake in business or in my marriage or wherever, and I will beat myself up for an appropriate amount of time, one to three days, sometimes a couple hours. And then I will move forward and never think about it again. I also never beat myself up about the same thing. I'm not one of those people that keeps hitting myself and saying, oh, that was. So I move on.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah. You're not lamenting over past mistakes.

[Michael Bostic]

No. My dad always used to tell me when I was a kid, you can't drive a car looking in the rear view. And like, I. I firmly think that, like, I don't. It's like, over next. Yeah, made the mistake over next.

[Mimi Everts]

Even with successes, I think you're that same way. In a way, you're not celebrating it for two weeks. You. You do the deal and then you're onto the next thing.

[Michael Bostic]

My psychiatrist is in here.

[Mimi Everts]

I'm analyzing you.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, yeah, I mean, but again, that probably goes. There's probably something a bit unhealthy and masochistic in there too. Right. Where one thing I have learned, and maybe this is again, some advice for younger people, is anytime in my life that I thought I was going to reach an end point or a goal or like, say you work really hard and you take that vacation or you buy that gift for yourself. Any time in my life that I've thought that that is going to drive happiness, I've been let down every single time. The only time not is when I had children. It's the only time I can think of in my life where it's like, you get there and it's like, oh, that was everything and more. But every time I've either reached a financial milestone or done that great trip, you've been on some of those trips with me. When I'm like, pissed off about the trip or, or I've done, you know, something with the business, I've never found the satisfaction I was looking for. But looking back, it's always been. And they say this, it's always the journey and all the stuff that I remember, it's like the struggle and the things that you're doing along the way, that's where I find the most satisfaction. So I think people get into this trouble with money, right? They like, think one day they're going to have X amount of money and all their problems are going to go away or they're going to be happy. Every time I've reached the next milestone of money, it has never changed one ounce of my happiness or satisfaction.

[Mimi Everts]

It's devastating to hear.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, I think it's. But I think it's good for people to hear because a lot of people chase material things. Listen, I made, you know, it's like, I've done well, right? I'm. I've made enough money to take care of myself and my family without stressing about it. I've worked hard to do that. But my. But money as an end result has. Has not brought me satisfaction or happiness. Once you get to the point where you can, like, cover your. Your bills that stretch, you know, your. Your medical bills or your. Your rent or, you know, your groceries, everything after that, like, you don't get some kind of crazy happiness from. It's just. It's really the. It's the building blocks and the. In the stuff along the way.

[Mimi Everts]

I think now you like to share things with people. Like you mentioned, we wanted to have kids because we. You wanted to have kids because you were going to the same place and you had seen the sunset there before and you wanted to have a new perspective. And so it's kind of like you bring me along, too, and you'll be like, showing me something. And I think that that's a way to get happiness once you have reached that level.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, I think, yeah, I mean, listen, again, for people in their 20s and maybe early 30s, whatever, like, go have your fun. Do your thing. Lauren and I had so much fun. We did all the things. We went to all the parties that we could go to, and, you know, ran around and traveled as much as our budget would allow. But I remember sitting with her when we were like, 31, maybe I was. Must have been 30, 31. And I was like, hey, you know, we. If we're just gonna keep doing this, like, there's. There's this new wave of people that maybe don't want to have kids, I'm not going to pass judgment on them, but I would say that it's like, how many vacations and experiences can go on to the same kind of places year after year after year till they get bored? And I remember looking at her and being like, we're just going to be sitting in these same kind of places, in these same kind of venues year after year, and at some point, it's like, you have a massively diminishing return. So, yeah, I Mean, now as I'm older, I want to share it with people and I want to show it to my kids and I want to bring people along. And like, fortunately we've done well enough where we can do that. But to me, just like sitting in a place with my wife over and over and over in the same place, it starts to become a little bit vapid, in my opinion.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

But anyways, but do the things though too, because I see a lot of people on the reverse. Like I have a lot of older friends that never did the things. Maybe they worked, worked, worked, or they like were in a relationship really young and then they either get like separated or like they make money.

[Mimi Everts]

I see people doing that who are waiting to retire to live their life. That's a big thing.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. And like my, I told Lauren I had one rule, like I'm not gonna be like the 50 year old guy in the nightclub. Like, we can't. It's, it's done. You know, not that there's some people want to do that, but I think front loading it and scraping by in the beginning and then making it later is better than waiting to enjoy your life at the end. Right. So that's. I don't know what the piece of advice is, but that's what we did.

[Mimi Everts]

I think you can get into trouble if you're waiting to have fun until you hit this certain milestone and you're just like not living your life or enjoying it along the way.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. Because now my goal is to get invited to the least amount of things possible. Like I ran into this guy in the gym today, very nice guy, very successful guy. And he got my phone number and I was like, oh God, I don't know. And he said, what's your email?

[Mimi Everts]

And double hitter.

[Michael Bostic]

And then he's like, and I'm gonna be inviting you to this party and this get together. And I was like, oh my, how am I gonna get out of this? Know, I mean, I don't even know what it is or what it's about, but like now I'm like, I'm on the reverse. I'm on the, I'm on the exit plan and how many.

[Mimi Everts]

You know, like, but the thing about you, you say that, but you'll get the invite. And it depends on what's happening. You'll go. You're very extroverted.

[Michael Bostic]

It depends what's going on.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah. If Tom Cruise is there, are you going?

[Michael Bostic]

Tom Cruise is going. I will drop everything. I will, I will shut down and I will ruin. I will Destroy every company to go do whatever he's doing.

[Mimi Everts]

Okay, let's imagine Lauren's going into labor, but you have dinner plans with Tom Cruise.

[Michael Bostic]

She's already done it three times. Come on.

[Mimi Everts]

I think you mean that too.

[Michael Bostic]

I. If. If Tom Cruise invited me to a dinner and Lauren was like, for what? If she was like, hey, I'm about to have our fourth child, I would sit her down and say, listen, we've done this three times, Lauren, and it's been great, but how many chances am I ever gonna get? You know what I mean?

[Mimi Everts]

You could always have another kid.

[Michael Bostic]

Even if not. I've already high. I've already done it. You know, that's the He. I will die on this sword. He is the white whale. He's the white whale.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Greatest of all time.

[Mimi Everts]

Who else is up there? Just him.

[Michael Bostic]

I was on a boat with all people. This is a funny. He posted it, so I'll tell the story. I was on a boat with Jamie Foxx. I won't get into the details of. Of this. Of the boat, but I asked him point blank because he's worked with a lot of people. I said, who's the white? Like the. The number one. And he said, number one. Tom Cruise. Lovely.

[Mimi Everts]

Without you putting that in his head before.

[Michael Bostic]

No, because we were talking about all the people he's worked with. And I said.

[Mimi Everts]

And you said, tom Cruise.

[Michael Bostic]

No. Yeah, but I said, is there anyone. I said, think about it. Is there anyone greater? And he's like, no, that's number one. Collateral was a great movie.

[Mimi Everts]

Must have missed that one. I like Interview with the Vampire.

[Michael Bostic]

Great movie. The thing about Tom Cruise is you could name 20 movies that are all different in all different periods of time, and they're all still good and relevant. Yeah, can't do that with every actor.

[Mimi Everts]

Some of the Mission Impossibles, it's like, we've done it.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. But it's been spanning, like, two or three decades. And he's on, like, number eight, but he's got that kind of longevity.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Top Gun 1, Top Gun 2. Great. Collateral. Great. Risky Business. Great. Cocktails. Jerry Maguire. Tropic Thunder.

[Mimi Everts]

I don't know if I've seen that one.

[Michael Bostic]

I didn't know Tom Cruise was in that. Tom Cruise plays the guy like Les or Lex or whatever. And he's like. They got the big beard, and he's like the big, like, Angry business guy. Magnolia. Eyes Wide Shut. Oh, eyes Wide shut. Don't get me going here. What's that one? Live, Die, Repeat. Even that one. Live. Die, Repeat. Is that one.

[Mimi Everts]

Is that the one with Angelina Jolie?

[Michael Bostic]

Even Night and Day is pretty good.

[Mimi Everts]

It's a lot of, like, day, live, die. Very hardcore. He has a genre I just rattled.

[Michael Bostic]

Like. I mean, there's probably, like, 30 I'm missing. Okay, let's move on.

[Mimi Everts]

Okay.

[Michael Bostic]

I could go. I could go on about. We can make a whole episode about this.

[Mimi Everts]

We know. Okay. What's your take on the idea of outgrowing people?

[Michael Bostic]

I think that you have to distinguish between being in different stages and outgrowing and then, like, maybe friendships or relationships that. That turn toxic. Okay, so, like, we'll start with, like, friendships that turn toxic. There are some friends and relationships that you will have, and as that relationship unfolds, either your life's change or the way you think about life changes, or people mature at different levels. And, you know, maybe as that's going on, one of the friends becomes bitter or resentful and starts to kind of diminish the other person or put down the other person or kind of, like, cheer for their downfall behind their back. Like, in those instances, I'm pretty cutthroat, and I'm like, you got to be able to cut ties and walk family.

[Mimi Everts]

How do you know? Is it.

[Michael Bostic]

One instance if you're with somebody consistently that you know is not happy for you and even taking it a step further and hoping that you stumble in life or that something doesn't go well for you, then I think that. And everyone has that kind of person in their life at some point, then you have to decide, like, hey. And I said family included. Because sometimes this happens with family. You have to be able to cut ties with those people. Now. I also have relationships with some of my best friends from childhood where many of us are in different places. My. One of my best friends, Stephen, you know, shout Out Steven, he's in Chicago. He's doing amazing things with Russian. We haven't seen each other in six years, which was crazy for me to think about. I was like, my daughter's almost six. He's one of my best friends in the world. If I saw him tomorrow, we would pick up where we left off like nothing else happened. We don't get to talk as much. We send each other memes here in a while. But in that instance, it's like, we. He's in a different state. I'm a different state. He's doing his thing. I'm doing my thing. You. I think in those instances, you got to be like, let's put the. Let's Just pump the brakes and be on pause for a second. Maybe nice to check in a little bit more, but I'm not, You know, it's okay. Like, it doesn't mean, like, we have to, like, be in different. We don't have to stop being friends. We don't have to not be close. We also don't have to call attention to it and be like, oh, why haven't I seen. There's nothing worse than a high maintenance. When, like, I haven't seen. You didn't call me. It's like, people. People get busy, especially as you get older. For young people in their 20s, this is worth hearing because as people get into their 30s and they start to get into serious relationships and they start to have families and kids and start to do businesses, like, you only have so much attention. So, you know, the girls trip that you used to go on every week like, that maybe those become less. Or like picking up the phone and having a guy's night every week, it's gonna. That's gonna change. Right.

[Mimi Everts]

I think the friends who make you feel bad about those decisions are the ones that get left behind or you outgrow.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. I mean, if you. If you can't sit down with one of those people and say, hey, love you, respect you, wish we could spend more time, but this is going on, then I think you just, you know, you have to. You. That that's. That's maybe a red flag.

[Mimi Everts]

It's a selfish friend, I think.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. Because a good friend, in my opinion, recognizes the stage. Like, again, my friend Stephen, if you hear this Stephen, he's. I could be like, why haven't you come see my kids? And why haven't you done this? Why haven't done that? But I know right now he's trying to create his bar and his restaurant. He's in a different state. And it's hard and it requires a lot of effort. And, like, I get it. Like, I've been there. There was a stage, you know, when I was trying to do those things. And so I don't beat him up about it. And I think, like, that's what a. A solid friendship is like. To me, the best friendships are the ones where it's like, if you saw him yesterday or a year from now, you could pick up like nothing happened, with no pressure, no real demands on the friendship. And then I think, as is goes for outpacing people, and this is just a sad truth of life. I remember looking at Lauren one time and saying, hey, just so you know, some of the friends you have aren't going to be able to follow where you're going. And some of the, and I don't mean that from a financial perspective, I just mean from like a lifestyle perspective. You know, some of the friends wanted to continue to stay single and run around and, you know, maybe not do the things she's doing, like building a family and having kids. And same with me. Like, I do not get invited to the guy's golf trip, whatever the hell they're doing. Not that I want to, please don't invite me. I do not, you know, I'm not out on the weekends at the bars all the time or like I'm now in a marriage for a long time with three small children running a company. So. And we've talked about on the show, like, I have to pick and choose. I have some of my best friends are single, childless and doing all those things. So we're just at different stages of our life and that's okay. At one point they're gonna get into the situation I'm in. I'm gonna have older kids. Hope. We hope, we do hope. And rooting for you guys again. You just have to. I think to me the definition of being a good friend is I'm there if you really need me. Like, I like to think that if, if one of my close friends picks up the phone and calls me for something within reason, you know, not some absurd thing, but if, like I can help them, that I'm there in two seconds. But there's also not the demand of me being at every birthday party or every get together or every barbecue or whatever the hell they're doing. I mean, yeah, I think it's immature when people do that to other people. And the friendships that I've pulled away from is when people are like really high maintenance like that. Same with Lauren. I think, like, I'm not going to speak for, but I kind of will actually. Like, the friendship she's pulled away from her is like when there's someone that's immature and not recognizing the stage of life that she's in, you know, like a friend of mine. Hi, Alex. I'll just call Alex. He's like, hey, I know you just had your third kid, but me and the guys are going to Europe for like two weeks. Do you want to bounce around with us for a while? I'm like, yeah, sure. Let me go tell Lauren that I'm going to leave her with the newborn and the two, the three year old and the five year old from summer. Yeah, I'm just going to bounce around in Europe with you guys. I'm like, I might as well. Just like, she'll just kill me.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah. No, she would say, go, have fun.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. That's like, terrifying, right? But, like, that's an absurd thing.

[Mimi Everts]

You'd come back. It'd be like, when the Grinch comes into Cindy Lou's house, there'd be like, an olive left in the house.

[Michael Bostic]

But that's like, an absurd thing to ask them. Right? But again, I can't hold it against him because he's still single without kids. So, like, he just doesn't get, you know, again, if you don't have children, don't have that responsibility. Like, you would think, like, of course you could go for two weeks and just, like, bounce around Europe without your wife.

[Mimi Everts]

But he doesn't care. He invites you because he wants to be around you. He's like, hoping you come, but he's not.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, but the chances of the chance that I would have said yes are 0.0. Like, there was not even, like, you.

[Mimi Everts]

Know, he's always holding out hope.

[Michael Bostic]

It was 0.0% chance he's going to listen to this.

[Mimi Everts]

You think so?

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Mimi Everts]

You think he listens to every episode?

[Michael Bostic]

He's a good friend. Yeah, he talks to me about.

[Mimi Everts]

Really?

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah.

[Mimi Everts]

Oh, my gosh.

[Michael Bostic]

That's the thing. I'm not high minutes, but I force all of my friends to listen to every episode I put out. I'm just kidding. I don't.

[Mimi Everts]

What's going on with this thing on your wrist?

[Michael Bostic]

This is my Apollo Neuro. You can't see it. I have discovered this recently because I measure my sleep scores and all these things and everything is really good except my hrv.

[Mimi Everts]

What's that?

[Michael Bostic]

It's your heart rate variable. And you want it to be. I think it has to do with stress. And so it's not bad. But everything else that I've been working on is good. And it's like, average my HRV score. And so this helps with stress, it helps with deep sleep. It helps with, like, your nervous system and nervous system regulation. Lauren thinks the next big thing is going to be nervous system regulation.

[Mimi Everts]

And so apparently, what is your nervous system? How does. How do you regulate it? What do you mean?

[Michael Bostic]

I don't know.

[Mimi Everts]

That's when you take chemicals that are.

[Michael Bostic]

That's why my. My nervous system's all fucked up. Probably. That's why I'm wearing this thing.

[Mimi Everts]

I thought you had high cortisol. Is that what it's saying? That Your HRV is bad because of that, actually. Or high adrenaline.

[Michael Bostic]

A lot of times people with cortisol issues is because they don't have high enough cortisol in the morning, they're not getting enough sunlight or whatever.

[Mimi Everts]

I'm sure you have cortisol in the morning. I'm fortunate enough to experience it.

[Michael Bostic]

I've heard that I can't switch off that well. So it's like always on. And so I need to do things to slow down. And so what this does is it slowly vibrates on you. And you can wear it at your ankle for sleep, to help you sleep and stay asleep. And then in the day it helps. It's vibrating right now and it gives you, like, you do some for focus. You could do some for stress. You could do something.

[Mimi Everts]

Is it vibrating because you're doing something bad?

[Michael Bostic]

No, you have these programs on your phone and then we'll jump off because people are like, what are you talking about? It's called the Apollo Neuro. The Apollo Neuro is a wearable device that uses gentle, low frequency vibrations to help regulate your nervous systems. It's designed to improve stress resilience, HRV sleep quality, focus, and calm recovery and mood. And they have different programs. So I'm testing it right now.

[Mimi Everts]

Interesting.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. Feel pretty good on it, actually.

[Mimi Everts]

Let me know how you like it.

[Michael Bostic]

Probably gonna be sold out. Now that I've just plugged it on this show. It's gonna be.

[Mimi Everts]

They're gonna crush it sounded like an ad.

[Michael Bostic]

You should have got stock in the company. Yeah, big Ms. Carson should have called that out.

[Mimi Everts]

Another L for Carson.

[Michael Bostic]

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[Mimi Everts]

I wanted to talk to you about books today because this is one of your favorite things to talk about, I think, and it's something that you do when you're trying to unwind. Right? So first of all, I want to know how many books you read a year, because you love to brag about this one.

[Michael Bostic]

No, I don't.

[Mimi Everts]

Yes, you do.

[Michael Bostic]

I don't love to brag about it. I try to, at a minimum, to read at least one book per week. But I don't get stuck on the numbers because what if you read a book that is like 1500 pages versus one that's like 250 or 300.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

You know, and some are more dense than others, but I try. I'm doing this new reading challenge that I really have to post, and I don't know what it's called. Apologies. I found it on line somehow. And it's basically like this form that you fill out that has. That you have to. So, like, one of them will be like, you have to read a science fiction book. Another one would be like, you have to read a book that won the Pulitzer Prize. One has. One's like, it's a book that starts with a number. Another one's like a young adult novel, which is how I ended up reading the Fourth Wing, which we'll talk about. I didn't. I didn't realize I wasn't young adult. It says you have to read a classic. So like, I read In Cold Blood this year. This is like a classic. And it. Anyways, it's like 40 books. And you have to. And what it does is it forces you to read, like, really different things. Because as I've gotten older and gone along, like, I found myself a lot of time, like, reading the same genres over and over and over or like the same kind of things. Like, I remember in my. In like 2015, I must have read like, nothing but business books. And then I got really sick of them. And then like maybe 2016, I read like, nothing but self help. I think, like, you get stuck. So now I do this thing where it, like, forces me to, like, figure out how to read different things.

[Mimi Everts]

I like that. Like, I don't know, it exposes you.

[Michael Bostic]

Call like 40 to 50 books a year.

[Mimi Everts]

Okay.

[Michael Bostic]

Nothing too crazy.

[Mimi Everts]

What's one book that completely changed the way you think about business?

[Michael Bostic]

Well, there's a book called how to Stop Worrying and Start Living. It's a really good book. And it's an older book. Was it? It is Dale Carnegie that wrote it, or Napoleon Hill is one of those.

[Mimi Everts]

It was how to Make Friends in one.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, no, so a lot of people know. Okay, so no, it's. So it's Dale Carnegie. So a lot of people know him from how to Win Friends, how to Make Friends and Influence People, or what is that. What is it called?

[Mimi Everts]

Influence Others and Influence Others.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, and that's a, like, great book and it's classic and everyone should read it. But he wrote a book that I like better called how to Stop Worrying and Start Living. And as somebody who in my younger years was a perpetual worrier or stressor and still am sometimes, it's an older book and it, like, basically points out the flaw in worrying all the time and why it's, like, pretty useless and also doesn't do anything but make you worry more and hurt you more. And so that. I like that book. And I find myself, like, once in a while I'll, like, open my Kindle and go back and just, like, read a random page or a chapter. So whenever I find myself, like, stressed or worried or thinking too far into the future, I'll read that book. And I think it's, like, it's a really good shift because for somebody who's wired to kind of, like, overthink or overstress, which is a lot of people, it's a helpful book. And it's old. It holds up the test of time. But, yeah, he's. That one gets overlooked because he had the other one, which is such a massive hit. Okay, that one. There's others.

[Mimi Everts]

I'm adding that to my list.

[Michael Bostic]

Never read that one. I never told you that one.

[Mimi Everts]

Maybe you've told me. I definitely read how to Make Friends and Influence Others. Okay, okay, maybe this is the same sort of thing, but is there one book that you constantly revisit or reread or go back to? I have one that you told me about. You got me the Daily Stoic. And I go back to the Daily Stoic all the time.

[Michael Bostic]

I love the Daily Stoic. Anything. Okay, so this is going to sound like a strange thing. So two of my favorite authors are James clavell and Larry McMurtry. And they're, you know, fiction writers primarily, but Larry McMurtry won the Pulitzer Prize for Lonesome Dove and James Clavell. Just that show. Shogun is based on his. It's an old book, but he's got Shogun and Taipei and Noble House. And I go, they're really long, dense books, but I go, I've read each of them probably like three or four times because they just hold up so well. Also, any time I'm kind of, like, feeling, like, stuck in life. I like history a lot, and I love Robert Greene, and I've had the pleasure of meeting him. I like to Read Power or 33 Strategies of War or Mastery. So I go back to those even, like, his Human Laws of Human Nature. Those ones all I go back to pretty regularly. But also, how to Stop Worrying, Start living, think, and grow rich. Like the. The cla. Like, I find myself going back to the classics a lot. But I like. If I need to, like, just, like, decompress and I want to, like, read something good, I'll read something by Larry McMurtry or James Clavell.

[Mimi Everts]

When I was first dating my boyfriend, if he was doing something, I would go and read a chapter in the Laws of Seduction. If, you know he's taking too long to respond, I would go and be like, how to, like, create distance for attraction.

[Michael Bostic]

I've heard that's the only one of his books that I haven't read.

[Mimi Everts]

Not because you're not trying to seduce your wife.

[Michael Bostic]

No. Wouldn't it be weird if, like, Lauren popped in the room and I was, like, neck deep in the laws of Seduction?

[Mimi Everts]

No, it wouldn't be weird.

[Michael Bostic]

Lauren would be like, it's weirder when.

[Mimi Everts]

You'Re reading Fourth Wing.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. Okay, granted, Fourth Wing was a little weird. No. But I mean, I just feel like I don't need to be out there seducing people.

[Mimi Everts]

You could always seduce your wife a little bit.

[Michael Bostic]

No, I know that. See, now I'm gonna get a hold of it. But I'm just saying, like, if she was like, what are you brushing up on there, buddy? You know what I mean?

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah. Anything can and will be used against you.

[Michael Bostic]

Maybe I'll read it. I heard it's good for other, like, just. I mean, listen, I'm sure Robert Greene's a genius, so I'm sure it's all good. Yeah, that's the one I would read, though, like, on a caveat, like, on a tangent. If I was struggling with dating or single, I would read that one. If I see a lot of people think 48 laws of power is if you're building a business. Wrong. If you want to be. His best business book, in my opinion, is 33 strategies of war. So if you're starting a business or building a business, power is. Is more about a life. And also if you've already established some power or don't want to lose power, That's a good one. If you're trying to figure out your path in life and you don't really know mastery is the best one. And then if you're just trying to understand humans in general and just be more rounded in life, I think Laws of human nature, but a lot of people think 48 laws of power is like it is about attaining power, but it's also about keeping power. So for me it's like you got to figure out the mastery part and then the business part which was, you know, that's what I would do first with him.

[Mimi Everts]

I've never read Mastery.

[Michael Bostic]

It's great. Like if you're confused on what your life path is, what your career should be like, that's the best one.

[Mimi Everts]

If you could tell your 20 year old self to read one book, what book would it be?

[Michael Bostic]

Well, okay, I already said Lonesome Dove. I would just usually go to that one. But honestly, if I could tell my 20 year old self, there's a really interesting book. So I read Titan by Ron Chernow, which is Rockefeller's biography. That's not what I'm telling people to read, but it was a good book. That was a great book. But it inspired me to like go down a rabbit hole of Rockefeller because you know, he did so many crazy things and was obviously the wealthiest person in the world at one point. But I discovered that he. There was this book that was produced either by his son or like someone who knew his son or the grandson called 33 letter. 33 letters from Rockefeller to His Son. I'm going to butcher that. It's something along those line. Or 7. I think it's 33, 7, whatever the numbers are. Emily, maybe we can link it in the show notes at some point. But what's crazy is these were letters that John D. Rockefeller wrote to his eldest son in real life that he gave to him privately that he never thought were going to be published. So some of them are on integrity, some of them are on building a business, some of them are on dealing with stress, some of them are on whatever. And what's so interesting is like you're in the mind of the wealthiest person in the world that amassed all of this power, that did all of these things in life that is giving his direct advice to his son that he thinks nobody else but his son will read. And so I think they were really fascinating because it wasn't just about business, it was about just like life and how he saw it in general. And they're really good because I think it's even better that he didn't realize they were going to be published.

[Mimi Everts]

So intimate.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, let's see. And it's like. And you know that you're getting somebody's absolute best advice because they're giving it to the person that they love the absolute most, that they. You know what I mean? So that's like the only intention is for that person to be happy, successful, all of those things completely without regard to, like, the public ever seeing it.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah. There's nothing to gain for them from that.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. And so there's like a ton of. I mean, I think, like, you can read each letter one by one. And so if you're just getting into reading or if you're in your 20s or honestly, even if you're older, it's just an. It's a really interesting book to read because you get basically the greatest advice from one of the most powerful, well accomplished people in the world at the time to his son. So that's what I would recommend.

[Mimi Everts]

I love that.

[Michael Bostic]

It's a weird one.

[Mimi Everts]

You should be doing that for your boys. Write them letters. I'm sure you are.

[Michael Bostic]

Dear son, when your mother is angry, never text her. Calm down.

[Mimi Everts]

Oh, God. You don't do that.

[Michael Bostic]

I've done it. I live life on the edge.

[Mimi Everts]

You live to tell the tale.

[Michael Bostic]

It didn't go well.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah. Okay, so now let's get to what everyone wants to know. They want to know your thoughts on fourth wing.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, first of all, I thought it was a young adult novel.

[Mimi Everts]

It's not. People are going to be mad you said that. It's romantasy, I think.

[Michael Bostic]

Oh, I learned that. I read the whole. See, I read the whole thing.

[Mimi Everts]

Just the first book.

[Michael Bostic]

Just the first book. It's part of my reading challenge. The girls in the office were, like, really, like, flabbergasted that I read it. They're freaked out. In a good way or like a creepy way? Oh, God.

[Mimi Everts]

So what did you think?

[Michael Bostic]

I have thoughts. I can see why it's so. So here's how it all happened. I'm doing my reading challenge that I mentioned to you earlier, and I'm filling out the thing and I'm like, okay, well, what's a young adult novel? I don't know. So I was like, on Amazon and you see that book everywhere, Right. It's just like. So I figured, okay, I'll just like, read like that looks popular, so that's the one I'll choose. So I did it. And I was reading it and I'm like, Cool. Okay. Like dragons and like knives and fighting and scribes and like, I like that stuff.

[Mimi Everts]

I love, like, academia.

[Michael Bostic]

I like, like, I read Lord of the Rings. I read this other one. Oh, my God. What's this other one? You know, I read. Dude, I read. I read like a lot of stuff.

[Mimi Everts]

You like Dune a lot?

[Michael Bostic]

I love Dune. I read all the dunes and then there's, you know, I read all these. The different fans. So I'm like, cool. This is like right up my alley. And then I'm thinking, it's a young adult. No one. I'm like, okay. It's like, not like maybe a little advanced. And then all of a sudden these two just start having ridiculous sex. Like, they're going at it like. It's like. This is like. This is like X rated stuff. She's like blowing the dude and she's. He's going. It's all crazy.

[Mimi Everts]

Are you loving it a little bit?

[Michael Bostic]

No, I'm sitting. Well, I'm like sitting there next to Lauren. I'm like. I felt like, am I supposed to be reading this?

[Mimi Everts]

I felt like you're not like, copping a feel.

[Michael Bostic]

I felt like I was 12 years old getting caught watching HBO. Back in the day. Maybe I'm too. That you guys don't remember. This is your. All the young kids now have computer. But back in the day, like, you would turn on your TV and you'd put it to like Showtime or Cinemax at night. And then you'd like set your remote where you could hit last.

[Mimi Everts]

And so in case your parents.

[Michael Bostic]

If your parents hit last and it like goes back to Nickelodeon or something. I felt like I was. I was reading the Fourth Wing, laying next to Lauren at night, just minding my. That scene happened. I look over, I like, felt like I was doing something wrong.

[Mimi Everts]

Do you think those scenes add to the story or could you do without it?

[Michael Bostic]

I don't really want to say how I honestly feel because I feel like girls are like. Like women in particular are going to get mad at me.

[Mimi Everts]

You know what? Men read this book too. Obviously your dad read it. You can't just say girls.

[Michael Bostic]

No, but I mean, like, it feels to me like the woman who wrote.

[Mimi Everts]

It, Rebecca Yarros.

[Michael Bostic]

Is like, maybe not so well versed in the world of real sex.

[Mimi Everts]

Okay.

[Michael Bostic]

Is that fucked up to say? No, Like, I mean, like, she's meaning, like, I'm sure.

[Mimi Everts]

Like, I don't think it's supposed to be real sex, though. It's supposed to be sex. Like, it was a little Magical.

[Michael Bostic]

Like, she's like, lightning shooting all over. The windows are blowing out. Like, I was like, she's all right. Come on, now.

[Mimi Everts]

You know, she's setting the bar high.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. I'm like, this dude's probably got three minutes in him. The windows are like. It's just. It was just a little over the top.

[Mimi Everts]

Drew is dying. I was reading that book, and he's, like, so, like, hot and mysterious and, like, powerful. And I'm reading it in bed, like, kind of getting, like. I'm like, oh, my God. Like, this guy's amazing, thinking about him. And Drew comes into the room, and he's, like, singing a little song, like, dancing around.

[Michael Bostic]

And you're mad that Drew can't wield shadows.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah. Honestly, I was like, I wish you were him. Why can't you be him?

[Michael Bostic]

You could shoot lightning out of your eyes or whatever. No, she. She makes the clouds happen.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah. She's like, one of those things that you touch and like it.

[Michael Bostic]

See, like, so I. Okay, so then the reason I kept going with it is I said, okay, well, it is. I do like the dragons. I like that she had the one gold one and the one big gray one is gray. Yeah, And I like that. Yeah. And I like that part. And then I'd be like, cool. I'm into this again. Like, okay, we're fighting. We're fighting the dragons. They're shooting. There's fires. And then it'd be like, all right, now I'm on my back again, up against wherever she was. It's just like, every.

[Mimi Everts]

I couldn't figure out my back.

[Michael Bostic]

I couldn't figure out what was going on. Like, it was like, every time. So, yes, I will finish the trilogy, because I'm in it now.

[Mimi Everts]

There's a lot of questions. Lots of theories going on.

[Michael Bostic]

I knew the. I'm not gonna spoil the end.

[Mimi Everts]

How do you know the end?

[Michael Bostic]

I knew the end. I knew it was gonna happen at the end. It was. That's. Towards the end. I'm like, okay, well, we saw that coming.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah. I mean, obviously, they were hinting at it the whole time. There's three books out. I don't think talking about the first one's, like, a big spoiler.

[Michael Bostic]

No, but I'm not. I don't know if people get mad about the spoilers. Just know that she climaxes really hard, and lightning shoots everywhere, and it changes the world. It changes the world and. Yeah. So I don't know. I guess the. It's a big, big talk in the office. Kids are Excited about it. Maybe they'll hear this now and they won't be happy about my assessment.

[Mimi Everts]

I don't think people are reading it for the sex scenes, but it does add a little fun.

[Michael Bostic]

No, no, no, no, no. They're reading it now. Okay. The dragon stories are good, but I would think that maybe it wouldn't be as far as it is without some of these lightning spraying climaxes everywhere.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah, you're probably right. What is that? Why do girls love to.

[Michael Bostic]

So do you guys, like, get together and be like, hey, like, we're all, like, secretly reading this dragon book. But, like, it's like, really good.

[Mimi Everts]

Like, nobody talks about the sex scenes. You only talk about, like, the plot. You're not like, oh, my God, that was so crazy. When he was.

[Michael Bostic]

I don't know. You know who irritated me the whole time?

[Mimi Everts]

Who? Dane.

[Michael Bostic]

Dane? Oh, yeah, that guy.

[Mimi Everts]

You kind of remind me of him a little bit.

[Michael Bostic]

No, I know. I'm not a Dane because it's a total rule. He bothered me every time. He's just lingering around in the corner.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah, he's such a rule follower.

[Michael Bostic]

He's like a guy that sits in the corner in a threesome and just in the shadow in the corner. A cuck. Yeah, a cuck. He's like that guy.

[Mimi Everts]

That's honestly so true.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, that's what he was. The whole book. I'm like, why is this guy here all the time?

[Mimi Everts]

You think Dane's a cuck?

[Michael Bostic]

He was annoying. He was like, don't go on the roof. Don't do that. Don't get hurt. Oh, my God. Fucking bothered me.

[Mimi Everts]

Tell us how you really feel.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah.

[Mimi Everts]

Okay, here's another question.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay.

[Mimi Everts]

If you could live in one book world, what book would it be?

[Michael Bostic]

Probably the Dune world.

[Mimi Everts]

If you would you want to be like Timothee Chalamet, Isa Al Ghalib.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, yeah, obviously the Lisa and Al Ghaib.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah, yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

No, because I just feel like they have, like, the most advanced tech more than Star Wars. Well, once you get later into the series too, there's these big creatures that, like, live in, like, tanks.

[Mimi Everts]

The Harkonnen.

[Michael Bostic]

No. And they, they drive the spaceships around. But I feel like that would be like, the coolest world because it feels like everything is so advanced there. Okay, not the dragon world. That doesn't seem that fun.

[Mimi Everts]

I think the dragon world would be cool.

[Michael Bostic]

What if you were a dragon?

[Mimi Everts]

But it does seem tough. Like they have to heat the bath with, like, magic, I imagine. Lots of, of smells.

[Michael Bostic]

What if you were like, one of the. But what if you were a dragon person that had, like, really shitty powers and you just had to live in that world? You know?

[Mimi Everts]

That'd be a bummer.

[Michael Bostic]

At least you could be, like, a normal person in the Dune world and be like, I'm watching, like, the best. Like, watching a concert here by myself, like, on another planet.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah, yeah. But, like, some of them, the Sand People don't live in fancy rooms. That's a tough life.

[Michael Bostic]

I would be in, like, space. Maybe I'd be a Harkonnen. Maybe I'm a villain.

[Mimi Everts]

You have the body for it.

[Michael Bostic]

Fuck off.

[Mimi Everts]

We could do the last book that made you cry.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, you know, there's, like, books. Like, there's a book called Not Fade Away When Breath Becomes Air. I think that's a good one.

[Mimi Everts]

That was, like, such a good book.

[Michael Bostic]

There's a really good book. There's one called. Which I've said a million times, Man's Search for Meaning, which I think everybody should read all, like, anybody, if. Who's anybody? 20s, 30s, 40, anyone? Because it'll give you real perspective. Viktor Frankl. I'm not that, like, everyone talks about that book, but if you're struggling and you think your life is bad or that you're, you know, life is unfair, or that you've. You're going through something hard, like, read that book and you'll never feel bad for yourself again.

[Mimi Everts]

Okay.

[Michael Bostic]

Really went through the Holocaust, lost his whole family, survived it, ended up writing about it. Like, if. If you read that book and you still think your life's tough, then you can't be. You can't be saved.

[Mimi Everts]

What are you reading right now? Are you still reading? I regret almost everything.

[Michael Bostic]

No, I finished that book. I just finished this book called Havana Nocturne, which was about the American Mafia in Cuba. I'm reading the Power Broker. I'm reading.

[Mimi Everts]

You like to read. I think this is something else that's unique about you. You read, like, one book, like, you're saying, the Power Broker, which is this certain genre, and then you're reading another genre and you mix it up.

[Michael Bostic]

I did a blog post a while ago called the Three Book Theory on Lauren's blog. You can look it up. I like to read three books at the same time. Not obviously.

[Mimi Everts]

This is, like, a thing you purposely do. I'm not just noticing this.

[Michael Bostic]

No, no. I purposely.

[Mimi Everts]

I thought I was astute.

[Michael Bostic]

I purposely do it because. Okay, say you want to read, like, a really dense biography. It's really hard to, like, sit through that the whole time and actually get through it. So a lot of people give up. Well, first you should quit a book that sucks. If you don't like it, just quit it. You're never going to read all the books in the world. So. But if you feel. A lot of people feel this weird anxiety, they have to like, finish every book, the book sucks, get rid of it. But say you like the book, but it's really dense and it's just like exhausting. So like, I'll read a dense biography and then maybe I'll read like a fiction and I'll take breaks with that and then I'll read like a self help or a nonfiction or a history and I'll rotate them. So like, at any given time, I'm reading the three books in the same time. Like, I don't feel like I can only read one before I read the other. I'll be like, okay, I'm tired of reading this one, so let me jump to the fiction to like get a little break. Or if I'm going to bed and I want to fall asleep fast, I'd be like, let me get that like, dense history book that's gonna put me to sleep after four pages.

[Mimi Everts]

So you think that maybe helps you finish more books because then you're not forcing yourself.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, and I also think that, like, a mistake people make with reading is they read the same kind of writer and the same kind of genre over and over and over again. You know, like, okay, so like, if you like Rebecca Yarros, like, you probably read that.

[Mimi Everts]

I'm in that right now.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, so you read that and all those in a row. And then you probably read that other one that like, I already read it. The red title or the red book.

[Mimi Everts]

With the yellow court of thorns and roses.

[Michael Bostic]

Yes, you probably read that. Like, you just do the same thing over and over. And what happens is like, you get this myopic view of just like one set of reading. And then to me, like, that over time also becomes exhausting because then you've like exhausted all those. So you got to like open the horizons.

[Mimi Everts]

I think there's a time and a place though. You can like binge all the books for a few months and then move on.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, I mean, like, I remember when I read, like when I was a kid when I read Lord of the Rings, you read, I read all of them. Or like Game of Thrones before that guy quit writing all of them. I read that. But. But anyways, the point is, like, if you just do this, like Lauren likes to read biography after biography, biography of like Hollywood people.

[Mimi Everts]

I'm like, oh, she's mixing it up. She just suggested a fiction to me.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, I like, I think a book should be like, if it's too easy to get through and it's just entertaining, like a beach read. Those don't hold my attention. But it should be just challenging enough where it like, stresses your reading comprehension, where you're like, oh, this one's a little hard because that's how you're going to learn to read faster and further. If it's easy all the time, it's probably because you're not reading challenging enough stuff.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah. It's not giving you anything back.

[Michael Bostic]

What's next?

[Mimi Everts]

Okay, what's one thing you're working on right now that you would be proud of yourself in your 20s?

[Michael Bostic]

I don't know if I would have been proud of myself in my 20s, but I think I'm doing like, I think I'm working really hard to do things for not just myself, but for others. Right. Like I'm doing, you know, like, we do different charitable things we do, which we don't talk about all the time. We're doing, you know, things for our. We're building a family, we're doing, you know, we're building these companies and you know, not only just like servicing ourselves, but uplifting others. I think like, when you're in your 20s, you're so focused on just taking care of yourself. And unfortunately, a lot of times when you're, as you grow older, like many people still stay just being focused on taking care of themselves. I think that you're the big, the biggest thing that I've learned is that you can take care of other people and actually have just as much success, if not more, but almost by accident. So, like, what I've learned over time is the more you help other people and the more you like raise other people up and the more you put other, other things out there that, you know, bring enrichment to other people's lives, it actually like ends up taking care of you. But a lot of times people get so focused on only themselves that they never kind of get past that, that next level. So I think I'd be proud that I've kind of like gotten myself out of the prospect of just servicing ourselves. And you know, sometimes even things that may look self serving, like we do a show and we have things that we have to like, self promote. But I don't think people, a lot of people don't see the behind the scenes Thing. I mean, you know, even if I think about your media, that there's a hundred other podcasts or in shows besides Lauren and I, then there's an argument to be made that I could have maybe just serviced our show forever. But like we, we take chances and help build other people up. We didn't have to. So I don't know, I think that building family, doing things beyond just ourselves, I'd be, I'd be proud as a 20. Maybe at 20, I wouldn't even think that I'd be doing stuff like that.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah, that's not something you maybe had on your goal sheet.

[Michael Bostic]

But yeah, I was a bit of a selfish prick at 20twenties for sure. I think it's up until I was like 25 and then I went through like a mid. Mid year. A mid.

[Mimi Everts]

Everyone's selfish until they're 25, don't you think?

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, I think you can be again because you don't. Your perspective is like, you only have to worry about yourself until then, you.

[Mimi Everts]

Know, but that's fine. I think one thing that I regret from my twenties is sometimes I felt like I was trying to grow up too fast and I wish that I would have just like enjoyed the moment a little bit more. I wanted to be in the next step and I wasn't appreciating that. It was just having fun in low stakes.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. And like the funny thing is, is I'm probably, you know, I've gotten better at it, but I'm probably still thinking the same, like that similar thought patterns now, which is why it's helpful to see like I, I listen to a lot of people that are further along than us and I, I always get excited when you have a guy that's in his late 40s or late 50s or even 60s saying like, hey, I still feel so young and still have so much time. I think it's like helpful to know because you, you again, you start to compare and you see all these people that are so much further along and you're like, oh, I got to do it right now. And funny enough is like my expectations when I meet somebody in their early 20s, like somebody that comes to me and tells me they have it all figured out in their early 20s or like the 25 year old life coach, like you kind of like scoff at those people and like write them off. I like when someone comes and they're like, I'm hungry, I want to learn. I know I don't know everything. I'm confident that I'll figure something Out. But I'm also not so sure. Like, I like that person in that kind of perspective. I wish I had more of that.

[Mimi Everts]

When I was a kid, I read this book. I think you had him on the podcast, Alex Banion, he wrote the Closing Door. I thought that was like so smart. When he was in college, he went to interview people that were super smart. Yeah, like Steven Spielberg and Bill Gates.

[Michael Bostic]

It's one of my favorite things about doing this show is like meeting people that are further ahead and getting that perspective.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah, I think that's smart. I agree. Do you think that's made a big impact on your personality? What like having the show and having all these experiences.

[Michael Bostic]

I was talking to Lauren about this the other day. I think you can see a direct correlation from the time we started the show to where we are now in terms of maturity. And I don't want to use the word humble because that's not gonna. People are not gonna be good. No, but, but really, honestly, in a lot of ways we've been humble doing the show, but it, you know, when you self promote and when you have a show that's front facing that people aren't gonna take that adjective seriously. But I, but I do think there is a little bit of that. But no, I think that I've learned more doing this show cramming all of these conversations and interviews than like I could have ever learned in college or at one singular job. Because think about all the different experiences and perspectives that are constantly being bombarded. And a lot of times, like, I'll even forget that, you know, we've done. Because we've done almost a thousand of the. How many have we done? 900, 870. That's a lot, right? That's like a lot of, a lot of podcasts. And so imagine like close to. And I would say 800 of them at least have been with guests. Probably, maybe. Or like just be, let's say less. Let's say 750 or 700. There's like 700 different perspectives of different expertise is going into your brain every single week for close to 10 years.

[Mimi Everts]

Do you remember everyone who's been on, like, if you saw them in a moon or a room.

[Michael Bostic]

No, no, no. I'm sorry, how would you. Do you remember all 800 people that you've met?

[Mimi Everts]

I barely even remember you. It's pushing it.

[Michael Bostic]

I was gonna say face guy, but that's not even true either. I was gonna say, I was gonna say face and. No, no, I mean, listen, like, sometimes.

[Mimi Everts]

You'Re More of an ass guy. Is that what you wanted to say?

[Michael Bostic]

Like, if you bring. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, if you bring. So if you bring a conversation up, mostly I will remember it. And a lot of times I will remember the person, but with context. But with context. Yeah, but I mean, like, who's. Who remembers all? Like, can you. Can you guys remember 800 different people you've met in different conversations? I should be better at it. But also getting up there in the years.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

I could lie and say I remember every single one.

[Mimi Everts]

You would. You would probably say, nice to see you again.

[Michael Bostic]

I would always say, nice to see you again. Even if I didn't know if I met you. That's just a secret about me.

[Mimi Everts]

Your dad's really good at that.

[Michael Bostic]

My dad is the worst at that. He's absolute worst at that.

[Mimi Everts]

No, I think he's good now, my dad.

[Michael Bostic]

I've literally seen him go to people that he's met four times and say, who are you?

[Mimi Everts]

Really?

[Michael Bostic]

Worse. I'll put you on blast. Lauren's also the worst.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Lauren and my dad are like the same person in that way.

[Mimi Everts]

Lauren's learned it so many times to just say, nice to see you.

[Michael Bostic]

They don't mean to be rude. It's just like their personalities, you know?

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

It just, like, doesn't register. I think that's, like, a creative thing. I have manners. I will say, nice to see you.

[Mimi Everts]

But you have no idea who they are.

[Michael Bostic]

No, I do most of the time. But even if I don't, you'll never know because I'll always say, it's good to see you.

[Mimi Everts]

Keeping everyone in mystery.

[C]

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[D]

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[Michael Bostic]

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[Michael Bostic]

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[C]

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[Michael Bostic]

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[Mimi Everts]

What'S one thing you did in your 20s that you laugh about now? Something embarrassing or something that you're just like, oh, why did I do that?

[Michael Bostic]

Nightclubs.

[Mimi Everts]

Wasting money.

[Michael Bostic]

Wasting money in nightclubs. A lot of guys do that also though, like a lot of girls go out too and be bottle rats, you know?

[Mimi Everts]

Bottle rats.

[Michael Bostic]

I've never heard that. Yeah, we know what people know, what they're talking about. Especially the millennials listening guys and girls. The guys, myself included, are doing the douchey thing, standing up there making some kind of stupid sparkly show. We still do this. Not to be honest, we still, like.

[Mimi Everts]

I was like, this is reminding me. No, but last year.

[Michael Bostic]

And you're wasting a lot of money. That by the way, in your, like you don't have. I remember like getting the credit card bills all when I was in my 20s. I get at the end of the month, like, oh, I gotta. You know, like you're like on the edge if not going under and you realize like you that was unnecessary and it didn't impress anybody, I will say. And then also probably there's on the other side, the bottle rats regret probably being ratty around the bottles. You know, like.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Doing behaviors and things that they shouldn't be doing.

[Mimi Everts]

So there's doing anything to get a sip of that Ciroc.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. I don't regret all of those times because there was a lot of fun and I met a lot of people and like got it out of my system. Like I never have to go back and do that again until next year because like, imagine if you don't do it and then you're 50 or 60 going through a divorce or splitting up and then you're doing the bottle rat thing or you're doing the club sparkly thing. That's not a good look, it's a bad look. No, no sweating. You're probably like white buttoned up because at that point you're, you're dressing like a age appropriate person.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

And if you're not dressing like, if you're like in an affliction T shirt or something, you know, we all know skinny jeans. But no, I. So I regret a lot of that because what I wish I would have done, especially when I was younger is I wish I would have taken a huge percentage of.

[Mimi Everts]

I know where this is going.

[Michael Bostic]

And invested into low cost index funds. You don't realize, like if there's one book also that I would recommend to everybody for especially younger and it's dense, harder to get through. Tony Robbins Money Master the Game. I wish I would have read that when I was in school, before I graduated, all these things. And I told Tony when he came on the show, it changed my life because I didn't understand anything about money. I didn't understand anything about investing, I didn't anything about compounding. I didn't know how to save it. I didn't know how to budget none of it. And I was stressed all the time, which I'm sure a lot of young people are, even older people. And I would have just taken a smaller percentage of the money I was wasting or doing dumb things with and put it into low cost index funds. And it would be worth hundreds of thousands, if not millions now. And people don't realize, like, you can start doing this at 18. And you know, I didn't start investing seriously and taking this stuff seriously like my 30, early 30s. So I missed like a full decade just not understanding this. So every time I media, I do it to you all the time. I'm like, do it now, do it early. It doesn't.

[Mimi Everts]

It could be 50 every dinner, every time I see you. Because you write it on my birthday card at the bottom.

[Michael Bostic]

You know why? Because now I'm on the other end of Doing it for a while and in there's. It's like the compounding becomes so great where it's just nice to know that like your money is making money for you. And if you start earlier, next thing you know, all of a sudden, like, it just grows and grows and grows. And if you, even if you start doing like a thousand bucks, you know, a month or 500 bucks or 200 bucks a month, in your early 20s, by the time you're gonna retire, you're a millionaire easily. I'm not the first one to say this. It's good advice, everyone, because here's the other thing. As you get older, you see older people older than me that go to retirement, that have never done it and their income earning years are behind them and they are so stressed about money. Because when you're a young person and you need to go and backfill income, there's a million different jobs or side hustles and you have energy and there's things that you can do when you're older and the job pool is smaller and you don't have as much energy and you have bills and you can't cover because you didn't set yourself up. Like, that is really stressful for a lot of people. So I just tell people, like, do it early so they don't have to think about it later. Because now I see people that are later and it's a mess.

[Mimi Everts]

It's scary.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. But, yeah, less partying in the club. Carson. I did have some good times, though.

[Mimi Everts]

Okay, let's do some rapid fire questions to close it out. What's your go to guilty pleasure that you don't feel guilty about?

[Michael Bostic]

Was it a guilty pleasure if you.

[Mimi Everts]

Don'T feel guilty about it that you refuse to. It's like something that you're. You're a little embarrassed to bring up maybe. I think you love like a baked good. You make fun of me for a baked good.

[Michael Bostic]

I'll eat. No, I, I like a good sweet.

[Mimi Everts]

You'll eat a chocolate chip cookie any day of the week.

[Michael Bostic]

I'll eat a chocolate chip cookie. No, I'll eat like, sweet. Like, people think that because we talk about health and fitness a lot that we don't like. I will indulge.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah. If you are going to a bakery, you're getting a baked good.

[Michael Bostic]

If I go to a donut store, I'm getting a donut. Like, I, you know when people come on and they're like so rigid about, like, if I'm going to McDonald's and I'm sitting there and it's a hot day. I'll get a McFlurry.

[Mimi Everts]

Hell, yeah, no problem. Oreo?

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, probably that. I don't know. I play a lot of video games, but I don't feel guilty about that. I again, my doctor told me with this parasympathetic HRV stress, he said, actually, you need to find active things that your brain can do actively but while also calming you down. So if it's like a video game, whatever, so I'll do that. I don't feel guilty about it. Lauren used to give me shit. Now she doesn't. She realized, like, I need to go off and like, I need to go into Zelda's world or I need to go into Call of Duty. I need to figure something out.

[Mimi Everts]

No, that's why I like needle pointing. I'm doing something. I'm not just sitting there.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, you got to like, everybody's got to have a thing. I was, I said to her, I said, hey, do you want me on the guys trip? Like, chugging beers and falling on myself on the golf course? Or like, can I go play Legend of Zelda for like an hour?

[Mimi Everts]

That is such a ridiculous, ridiculous comparison.

[Michael Bostic]

It's not a compare ridiculous comparison because a lot of these guys, they'll go to their wives and their girlfriends and be like, I need to de stress. I need time with the guys. You don't get it, babe. I can't just be doing that. They do this stuff. Oh, the kids have been. Trust me, they. And they go and they make these. I gotta go out on the guy ship. I'm like, I don't.

[Mimi Everts]

That's justifying their behavior, though.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, There's a lot of girls that listen to this podcast. Their husbands are gonna just write into me, like, but my thing is like, hey, can I just go upstairs into my man cave and like, shoot some like, like read a little bit of.

[Mimi Everts]

Fourth wing and have a private moment.

[Michael Bostic]

Like shoot some rounds in Call of Duty. Or like, you know, go and like, save the princess and Zelda. Or you know, like, go like throw a barrel down the way in Donkey Kong. Let me just do my thing. Like, that's not that bad.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah. Best advice you've ever been given.

[Michael Bostic]

I mean, there's a lot of good.

[Mimi Everts]

Advice says five words or less.

[Michael Bostic]

Five words or less. I don't know as it relates. There's like different, you know, there's different, different. Different pieces of advice for different moments in life.

[Mimi Everts]

What about to your 20 year old self? Your 25 year old self who's coming home from the club. What's one thing you would say?

[Michael Bostic]

Well, we've covered a lot of the bases. We gotta invest differently. We gotta like, not. I mean, listen, I don't know if, if this was my dad that gave me this advice or somehow, but I do think, and I'm not trying to be sappy here, but I think staying focused and being really serious about one woman in one relationship, even at a very young age, when a lot of my friends weren't, because a lot of guys feel like they're missing out on certain parts of life. But for me, I was like, okay, like, I'm gonna sacrifice maybe being out or being with more women or whatever it may be to focus on one. And now going back to compounding and investing. The compound effect of that is like, I've have an incredible marriage with an incredible family, and we built a business together that's. And we've done well this whole life. And I'm seeing some of my friends now that have like, kind of put that stuff on the back burner. And like, listen, everyone has a different perspective, a different lifestyle choice. But I'm like, if there, if you do find that one and like, it has to be the right person.

[Mimi Everts]

Are you saying if it wasn't Lauren, it would be the same thing?

[Michael Bostic]

No. No, I'm not. So I'm saying you do have to find the right. You don't want to settle and like, just, just do it to do it. But if you can and you do find that person, it's good to focus on and hold onto it. Because I've seen a lot of people find a person like that and then tell themselves some narrative like, oh, well, I'm supposed to be with all these different people, or like, my career needs to be this, or I'm supposed to wait to have kids. And it's like they, they give them, they choose life milestones and like, try to build them around when it's convenient for them as opposed to when it's actually happening. Does that make sense?

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

And then like, they miss a moment, right? It's like, oh, I'm not gonna settle down with that guy or girl because, like, I told myself I was getting married at 40.

[Mimi Everts]

It's never the right timing.

[Michael Bostic]

Or like, I don't want to have children with that person because, like, I still need to go take that vacation to Greece, something stupid like that. Who cares about Greece? Probably Greek people. Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I mean, like, I care about the people in the country. I'm saying, like, who cares about the trip to Greece?

[Mimi Everts]

Mykonos isn't on the next.

[Michael Bostic]

But honestly, who cares? Yeah. So I see people do these dumb things where, like, there's these. There's forks in the road that happen. Right. And they present opportunities and they open the door, and you get to choose if you're going to walk through the door or slam it shut. And I see way too many people slam good opportunities and good doors shut because they've got some ridiculous narrative in their mind. So I don't know if that. What the advice there is is just, like, you have to be smart enough to recognize when there's a moment or, like, in your career, there are certain things that happen where somebody offers you something, and maybe it's not the money you thought you deserved, but it's like, a really good opportunity to go work in a really incredible space or for a really incredible person, like, ah. But I, like, told myself I was going to be earning this. And so they. They don't do it. And it's like, you just. You have to. You have to be willing to recognize the opportunities of life when they come. And so many people get stuck in their narrative, and then they limit themselves from those opportunities because they. They don't. They're not flexible with what. What's possible as opposed to, like, what.

[Mimi Everts]

You know, I love the word flexible for that. Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah.

[Mimi Everts]

Okay. The most spontaneous thing you've ever done.

[Michael Bostic]

Not that spontaneous.

[Mimi Everts]

No. You're a planner.

[Michael Bostic]

I was trying to, like, be like, I'm. What is the most spontaneous thing I've ever done?

[Mimi Everts]

Buy that red suit, maybe.

[Michael Bostic]

I mean, I've done a lot of spontaneous things when I.

[Mimi Everts]

A lot of spontaneous purchases. You've definitely done that.

[Michael Bostic]

A lot of spontaneous purchases. My spontaneity exponentially goes up with the amount of liquor I've had for sure if I have a chance to not be drinking. I'm a pretty big planner.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

I don't know, like, what's the most. In what context? What's the most spontaneous thing you've ever done?

[Mimi Everts]

I think that I've been pretty spontaneous. I went to Korea during COVID But you planned that. I planned it. But I remember you said to me, it was on Cinco de Mayo. You said, that's never gonna happen. And so then I bought that flight that day. I said, you're wrong.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, but then you went and lived in, like, a jailbox for, like, two weeks in Korea because of the COVID restrictions.

[Mimi Everts]

But it was worth it. And Then I got out there, and I felt like a breath of fresh air.

[Michael Bostic]

Was it really worth it?

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah, it was. Worth was better than sitting in my house in LA at the time.

[Michael Bostic]

She's so crazy. She went to Korea, and they were, like, literally, like, sliding meals through a door. Like, she was in jail because I.

[Mimi Everts]

Had to stay in a hotel room for two weeks, and my microwave was broken, and so it was just like cold rice and, like, cold kimchi.

[Michael Bostic]

Some Korean guy, crackers, show up in a hazmat suit and scream in Korean at her, and then, like, slide some food into a door, and that's what.

[Mimi Everts]

She's kind of real.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, that's what happened.

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah, they'd be wearing those suits.

[Michael Bostic]

People are gonna pull that clip and be like, what's this guy talking about? No, that's what happened. Korean guy or girl showed up in a suit, slid a food tray.

[Mimi Everts]

So they'd open it? No, they put it outside, and then they would knock on the door, and then you would open it up once they were already gone.

[Michael Bostic]

Hey, Mimi, are you enjoying your vacation in there? Here's your food at the door.

[Mimi Everts]

They wouldn't talk to you, so you.

[Michael Bostic]

Had to stay in the hotel the entire time? Yeah, it was like Squid games where the guards live.

[Mimi Everts]

I lost, like, 15 pounds.

[Michael Bostic]

So did you go into Korea at all?

[Mimi Everts]

Yeah, after two weeks, I was able to, and then I was there for three months.

[Michael Bostic]

It's true. But really, it's like the Squid Games where the guards live.

[Mimi Everts]

You guys were so mean. I remember it was Christmas Day, and my mom was punishing me because I was gone in Korea and nobody called me. Nobody would answer my facetimes Christmas Day.

[Michael Bostic]

I figured you were on lockdown, man.

[Mimi Everts]

No, I was out by then. Good parole.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, maybe you shouldn't leave your mother and your family on Christmas.

[Mimi Everts]

Hate to break it to you. This year I'm gonna be gone.

[Michael Bostic]

I don't know. I guess I'm not that spontaneous. I can't think of, like, what have just spun would I do spontaneously.

[Mimi Everts]

It would definitely be travel, I think. Maybe you've. But you plan it out. Maybe you'd be like, I'm going to X, Y, and Z.

[Michael Bostic]

But what's like a spawn? Like, give me an example of, like, what's spontaneous. There's things that come to mind that I don't really want to say.

[Mimi Everts]

I was gonna say when you got that house during COVID Let's do this last one.

[Michael Bostic]

Okay.

[Mimi Everts]

What's the last thing you Googled?

[Michael Bostic]

Funny enough. You know what I'M noticing lately and this is probably a lot of people noticing this and this is just where the world's going. I don't really Google anymore. I.U. just on AI all the time.

[Mimi Everts]

So you're just asking.

[Michael Bostic]

I was talking to Lauren the other day, right? And I was like. So the last thing I was Googling. So not Googling, but I was talking to my chat, which I call Bibi Zaza named in Bibi for Bostic Bot. So I was like, bibi, I was talking to Bibi. But what I love is you can like create these different threads with them and then you can go. So the last thing I was talking about was with this Apollo again, here's another plug for Apollo about which programs I should use throughout the day. But like I'll do weird things where I'm like, okay, this is my supplement stack. What you know what should I should. Am I taking it right? Should I add this? I take that away and it'll like fully be like you're doing this right? But change. It's crazy. Like what it can do. And the other day I was like, what's the best way to. I was like, what's the best way to potty train your kid or training our kid? And I was like telling me so I don't know, I'm not really. I think what we're going to see. And I meant to tell you everybody this the other day. I'll just tell the whole world if you've been somebody that's so reliant on Google, you probably now need to start thinking about how to get AI to incorporate your results, right?

[Mimi Everts]

Google's trying, you know, they have the new AI feature.

[Michael Bostic]

But even then like I just think like you talk to your bot and maybe they're doing. But also the other day, you know, I like to travel and I was saying like what's the most efficient route and way to get to X place? And it'll like be like this and it'll give me all. So it's pretty crazy. Like what's doing. I'm.

[Mimi Everts]

I heard it's really good for flights. Someone was telling me that that's what I was doing.

[Michael Bostic]

I was like, what's the most like what? Like which I said if I want to do a trip and this time around this plane and there's multiple places like how to. What's the best flight route? And it would, it would work that out. So.

[Mimi Everts]

So you're not Googling is the moral of the story.

[Michael Bostic]

But maybe I'll use the AI Google Emily.

[Mimi Everts]

Why? Just Emily. So I like it, too. Have you used the Google? Like, when you take a picture of something, you circle it. I'm finding all this stuff. It's actually really cool. Like, you know that sculpture in your backyard? We took a picture of it and we Googled it. It just, like, takes it from there and it sends you the link.

[Michael Bostic]

The other day, I took a picture. My mom told me she bought me a lemon tree, and Wesson came and set it up in a pot. And I've been watching this lemon tree for, like, you know, month and a half now. And sure enough, roots come out, but they're all green. And so I was like, man, does it take a while to, like, turn yellow or something? So I took an image of it and it came back and said, sir, that is a lime tree.

[Mimi Everts]

No.

[Michael Bostic]

And so that's the last time I did the image thing.

[Mimi Everts]

Stop. Did you tell your mom that?

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, I said it's a lime tree. I mean, it's fine. I use it for my Austral margaritas. Estrall Tequila.

[Mimi Everts]

She's got to be disappointed. She gave Weston one job.

[Michael Bostic]

That's fine. I like limes, but. But, yeah, it's crazy. The world we live in. Technology and all the stuff. You know what? Just scrap all the advice I gave because probably technology is just gonna take over and provide all the answers, and I'll be dust in the wind. Yeah, you don't even need me anymore.

[Mimi Everts]

At least you have your index funds.

[Michael Bostic]

You know what, kids? Take all your money, blast it out in the nightclub with the bottle rats. Ask AI how to optimize that, and that's all you need to know.

[Mimi Everts]

If you could make a living off that. I guess that's what DJs are.

[Michael Bostic]

You know what? Maybe I'll be a DJ.

[Mimi Everts]

You'd be like Hermanos into. No, I'd give up Drop Kick Murphy.

[Michael Bostic]

I could do one song with a lot of energy, and then after that, I'd be like, I got a jet.

[Mimi Everts]

You know, you get so bored.

[Michael Bostic]

Thank you, Mimi, for doing the show with me. Thank you for covering all the ground. I hope the Rebecca Yarros fans out there are happy with our assessment. I do have a feeling I'm doubtful. We split the audience. Some will agree and some will not. But I will report back after I read the second and the third book, Iron Flame.

[Mimi Everts]

Onyx Storm.

[Michael Bostic]

Yes, but it's gonna take me a minute because I gotta get through the rest of my reading challenge. So I'll wait and I'll report back all right.

[Mimi Everts]

Thank you for having me.

[Michael Bostic]

You got it. All right. Thanks, guys.

[Mimi Everts]

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