How To Become Your Most Aligned Self: Healing, TMS Pain, Manifestation & Self-Accountability Ft. Elizabeth Endres Orrigo

Summary

The Bossticks Podcast: "How To Become Your Most Aligned Self: Healing, TMS Pain, Manifestation & Self-Accountability Ft. Elizabeth Endres Orrigo"

Release Date: May 11, 2026
Hosts: Lauryn Bosstick & Michael Bosstick
Guest: Elizabeth Endres Orrigo

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Episode Theme:

This episode centers on personal alignment, chronic health struggles, mind-body healing, TMS (Tension Myositis Syndrome), manifestation, self-accountability, and evolving wellness routines. The featured guest, Elizabeth Endres Orrigo (wellness entrepreneur, host of The Wellness Process podcast, and co-founder of Sweats in the City), shares her journey through debilitating health issues, discovering TMS and mind-body healing, and the pivotal role of mindset, self-reflection, and accountability in personal and professional growth.

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Main Topics, Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Elizabeth’s Chronic Health Journey and TMS Discovery

[02:07 – 08:43]

• Background: Elizabeth describes her lifelong experience with chronic health issues, identifying as a “Type A, perfectionistic, highly sensitive child” prone to IBS, migraines, gut and skin issues, and eventually, a rare heart condition leading to a pacemaker at 19.
• Pain Escalation During COVID: During the pandemic, living alone in NYC, anxiety peaked and new symptoms emerged, especially persistent pelvic pain resembling a UTI, which lasted years ([06:12]).
  • “It basically felt like I had a UTI all the time for years. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.” – Elizabeth [06:12]
• Medical System Frustration: She recounts desperately seeking medical answers—dozens of doctors, PT, even flying to Kentucky for a two-year antibiotics plan—before encountering mind-body literature.
• TMS & Nicole Sachs: Everything changes when a friend suggests Nicole Sachs’ work on TMS (Tension Myositis Syndrome, a diagnosis coined by Dr. John Sarno).
  • TMS Concept: The body manifests physical pain as a way to avoid experiencing emotional pain.
  • “I start her practice, which is a 20-minute a day aggressive daily journal dump ... If everyone in the world did this practice, it would be an entirely different place.” – Elizabeth [08:27]

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2. Journal Speak: The Transformative Practice

[08:43 – 17:54]

• The Practice: Elizabeth details daily “journal speak”—writing raw, unfiltered emotions privately, often handling deep, uncomfortable truths.
  • “It's f--- this, I hate that, you're saying the things you'd never want anyone in your life to hear you say. And then you rip it up.” – Elizabeth [08:27]
• Impact: Both Michael and Elizabeth share personal anecdotes of chronic pain dissolving after acknowledging the mind-body connection, referencing Dr. Sarno’s book Healing Back Pain.
  • “If you're someone who's hesitant ... I did all the other things ... none of it worked. As soon as I did this and understood about this, it went away. That's what sold me.” – Michael [13:58]
  • “Awareness and belief are two of the biggest pieces. That's why reading the book alone can mitigate pain.” – Elizabeth [10:38]
• TMS as a Protective Mechanism: The mind protects us from emotional pain by manifesting physical pain.
  • “Your body would rather feel physical pain and discomfort ... than whatever is going on emotionally beneath the surface.” – Elizabeth [15:22]

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3. Skepticism, Openness & the Mind-Body Connection

[11:51 – 15:12]

• Overcoming Skepticism: Discussion of how the medical establishment resists mind-body theories.
  • Michael admits being more analytical and skeptical until witnessing results.
  • Dr. Sarno “was writing [his book] for doctors in the future that’ll be more open to this idea ... the subconscious is connected to more than we believed at the time.” – Michael [12:04]
• Validating Emotional & Energetic Health: Elizabeth and Lauryn talk about how energy work—done sincerely and not as a checklist—can change everything; it's not just “woo-woo.”

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4. Authentic Journaling: Deep Emotional Release

[16:35 – 17:54]

• How-To:
  • Start with: “How does it feel to be me today?”
  • Be brutally honest about negative feelings toward situations and people.
  • Allow deeper layers to surface as you continue.
  • Destroy the written entry afterwards for emotional release.
• Purpose: The process “gets rid of energy” and prevents negative repressed feelings from manifesting physically.
  • “Those thoughts and feelings are there anyway. You could get them out ... or let them manifest as migraines and back pain.” – Elizabeth [20:26]

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5. Wider Mind-Body Theories & Practical Manifestation

[18:53 – 23:32]

• Lauryn connects the discussion to Louise Hay’s You Can Heal Your Life, reinforcing that emotional stress can manifest as illness in specific body areas.
• Elizabeth underscores the power of daily nervous-system regulation, especially as an expectant mother.
  • “One of the greatest gifts you can give to your children ... is a regulated nervous system.” – Elizabeth [22:22]
• The group acknowledges the challenge of maintaining routine practices as life stages shift (e.g., pregnancy, parenthood), advocating fluidity and self-compassion.

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6. Manifestation, Self-Alignment & Personal Accountability

[31:38 – 36:46; 38:13 – 39:08]

• Love Life & Manifestation: Elizabeth explains her transition after a breakup, psychic predictions, doing deep manifestation work (including Lacy Phillips’ “To Be Magnetic” for neural reprogramming), and attracting her husband.
  • “We manifest from our subconscious, not from our thoughts. ... Our external world is a reflection of our internal reality.” – Elizabeth [33:34]
  • “With Clayton, there was always ... a certainty he was my person.” – Elizabeth [38:28]
• Accountability: Both hosts and Elizabeth agree that sustainable alignment and happiness come from self-reflection:
  • “Until anyone takes personal accountability ... nothing will change.” – Michael [35:27]
  • “A lot of people look at breakups or past relationships as these failures, and it's like, what was I doing wrong?” – Elizabeth [36:22]

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7. Authenticity, Confidence & Magnetism

[39:29 - 43:02]

• Magnetism from Authenticity:
  • Practicing self-worth fuels authentic relationships, work opportunities, and personal magnetism.
  • “There's a different level of self-worth ... I have no choice but to be authentically myself ... there's a different level of magnetism.” – Elizabeth [41:29]
• On Attracting Partners: Lauryn adds, “You cannot expect all these things when you are not embodying the things as well.” [34:55]
• Safety and Openness: They discuss how authentic people make others feel safe and non-judged.

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8. Advice For the Chronically Unlucky in Love

[43:08 – 44:36]

• Elizabeth offers practical advice:
  • Make a “how do they make me feel” list (not just looks).
  • Do inner work to match that person’s qualities (self-worth, self-care).
  • Take action: “You have to take aligned action—you can't just make the list and then sit back and go, ‘Why is nothing happening?’” – [44:26]

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9. Elizabeth’s Business Journey and Re-Alignment

[47:49–51:54]

• After moving to NYC for a corporate job at Bloomberg, Elizabeth co-founds Sweats in the City—a fitness review platform—eventually transitioning full-time when partnerships like Estée Lauder arrived.
• Emphasizes the hard work and business skill required to run such ventures—and choosing evolution (full-time podcasting) when original work no longer felt aligned.
  • “If it's something that you really feel like your purpose is tied in ... Not easy, but doable.” – Elizabeth [51:26]

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10. Wellness Routines: Simplicity & Personalization

[52:08 – 62:41]

• Current Favorites:
  • Elizabeth has simplified her wellness: Pilates, acupuncture, lymphatic drainage, but less “extensive routines.”
  • The group discusses the “menu” metaphor—everyone should sample and adapt, not copy rigid routines. “This rigidity is actually way worse for us than grabbing your phone in the morning or not having the lemon water.” – Elizabeth [62:04]

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11. 80/20 Living & Wellness Balance

[62:41 – 66:34]

• The hosts and Elizabeth reject black-and-white thinking in wellness; they enjoy discipline and indulgence.
  • “We are well, 80% of the time. But you better bet your ass the other 20, I'm having fun.” – Lauryn [64:07]
  • “I think that wellness is not black and white and people love to bucket it as such … You don't have to be married to being one way or the other.” – Elizabeth [64:48]
• Lauryn adds: “I'm blowing up the box... I want to work with McDonald's so bad.” [65:13]

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12. The Power of Fluidity, Individualization, and Technology

[66:45 – 74:19]

• Elizabeth discusses her present: Pregnant, running The Wellness Process Podcast and Substack, focusing on authenticity.
• The group debates authenticity in the age of AI content, predicting society will crave more raw, human expression.
  • “We're going to crave more of when it's not (AI), not more of when it is.” – Michael [73:48]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

(Attribution & Timestamps Provided)

• “It basically felt like I had a UTI all the time for years. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy.” – Elizabeth [06:12]
• “I start her practice, which is a 20-minute-a-day aggressive daily journal dump ... If everyone in the world did this practice, it would be an entirely different place.” – Elizabeth [08:27]
• “Awareness and belief are two of the biggest pieces. That's why reading the book alone can mitigate pain.” – Elizabeth [10:38]
• “Your body would rather feel physical pain ... than whatever is going on emotionally beneath the surface.” – Elizabeth [15:22]
• “Those thoughts and feelings are there anyway. You could get them out ... or let them manifest as migraines and back pain.” – Elizabeth [20:26]
• “Our external world is a reflection of our internal reality.” – Elizabeth [33:34]
• “Until anyone takes personal accountability ... nothing will change.” – Michael [35:27]
• “I'm blowing up the box... I want to work with McDonald's so bad.” – Lauryn [65:13]

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Segment Timestamps for Key Topics

• Intro & Elizabeth’s Wellness Background – [00:10–02:07]
• Chronic Illness Story & Pacemaker – [02:07–05:43]
• COVID, Pelvic Pain & TMS Discovery – [05:43–08:43]
• Journal Speak Explained – [08:43–17:54]
• Medical Skepticism vs. Mind-Body Healing – [11:51–15:12]
• Emotional vs. Physical Pain & Practical Journaling – [15:12–20:26]
• Energetics, Pregnancy & Self-Compassion – [21:04–23:42]
• Manifestation, Breakups & Self-Accountability – [31:38–36:46]
• Business Pivot, Entrepreneurship & Alignment – [47:49–51:54]
• Wellness Routines: Simplicity > Extremism – [52:08–62:41]
• Authenticity in Content (AI vs. Human) – [72:33–74:19]

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Useful Takeaways for Listeners

• Chronic, unexplained pain may have roots in repressed emotion and stress (TMS); mind-body approaches can bring profound relief.
• Journal Speak—radical, private, daily emotional honesty—can be a transformational wellness practice.
• Wellness and alignment require self-accountability and authenticity, not rigid copying of routines.
• Manifestation is about changing your internal vibration, not just making a wish list.
• It’s healthy to blend structure and indulgence—80/20 living—avoiding perfectionism in both wellness and life.
• Authenticity and mental health are powerful attractors in both relationships and business.

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Elizabeth can be found at:

• The Wellness Process Podcast (Dear Media)
• Instagram: @thewellnessprocesspod and @elizabethorrigo
• Substack: The Wellness Process

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Host closing note: Lauryn and Michael underscore the richness of real, vulnerable stories, and invite Elizabeth back post-motherhood for more transformative insights.

Transcript

[A]

Welcome to the Bostics, starring Lauren Bostic and Michael Bostic. Together, they are the Bostics.

[B]

Put this in the wellness box. Elizabeth Endres Arigo is on the show. You've seen her on Instagram. She's a wellness entrepreneur, storyteller, and the host of the Wellness Process, which is a podcast and platform exploring the past to becoming your most aligned self, which is on Dear Media, too. You may also know her formally as the co founder of Sweats in the City. So we're talking about overcoming chronic health struggles, discovering tms, the power of mindset shifts, and her journey of becoming a mother. With that, let's welcome Elizabeth to the Bostics.

[A]

We had some of the girls in the company saying, you know, at one point we were, like, sending them to some studio on Canal street and I was getting some people. Yeah, I'm sorry. I hope you were okay.

[B]

I'm actually traumatized from the studios in New York City. I'm going to call it out. I cannot believe that the biggest city in the world. Is it the biggest city in the world.

[A]

One of them. It's not the biggest city. It's one of the biggest cities.

[B]

Has these recording studios.

[C]

No. And there's like two. There's where I go, and there's one other one, and it ain't good, you guys.

[A]

And listen, like, God bless the people that are. I mean, it's hard because podcasts have blown up, but yeah. Carson, is the studio ready? Because you were just out there. He's ready. Yeah, it's ready right now. Okay. I sent Carson out there. I haven't actually been out there, but yeah, the New Deer Media offices are open there with studios, so you can go there, get.

[C]

Can't wait.

[B]

Yeah, you should go.

[C]

Pop the cherry 100%. Yeah, get me in there for the announcement one.

[B]

You should.

[A]

I guess, like, you don't have to be as careful. Yeah, it's in. It's in the flat iron area. I always, like, think, like, can I announce where it is? But yeah, New York, like, it's fine. Safe.

[B]

Dear Media coming to New York City, Elizabeth is going to go.

[A]

It's there, it's open, it's ready to go podcast there.

[B]

It's great lighting. It better be bright light, soft, whimsical, smooth our skin, make us look good, flatter the video, crispy video. I mean, you got to get it. You got to get it.

[A]

I heard they're the best studios that we've done so far because we're getting ready to do that. We're Overhauling. We're doing. Moving offices in la, overhauling those. And like, it's like one thing at a time, but. Yeah.

[B]

Okay, Elizabeth, you have quite the story. I am very interested, I think, in starting with your chronic health issues. I'm curious, and I'm sure the audience is just to. Of how you go from having chronic health issues to where you are now, which to me, you look like you're thriving. Your skin, your hair, it all looks beautiful. So walk us through that journey.

[C]

Okay, so I think the right place to start is going back to childhood. And I think a lot of people listening will resonate with this type of person, personality that I'm going to describe, which is very perfectionistic. Type A, super sensitive, the one that's called, like, the sensitive one in the family who tends to develop chronic things, whether that's ibs, migraines, back pain, skin issues, gut issues, like, you name it. It's the type of chronic stuff where you go to a million doctors and everyone's like, I don't know. And, you know, there's so many things like that. So I kind of had those type of conditions my whole life. It was chronic strep. It was in my 20s. I was getting diverticulitis, which is, like, super rare when you're young. I was hospitalized for it all the time. I had crazy acne, like, mid-20s. I have a heart condition. There's, like, been so many things. Heart condition's sort of its own thing.

[A]

Heart condition from birth or heart condition that you discovered?

[C]

I actually discovered at 19, had to get a pacemaker. Wow. Yeah, wow. Was passing out. I actually went in to have a colonoscopy because I had a lot of gut things going on. And the anesthesiologist was like, I can't put you under. You have a heart block. My parents were like, what? And I literally got a pacemaker a couple weeks later.

[A]

Your poor parents. That would freak me out so bad.

[C]

It was a lot.

[B]

Two questions before you continue. Did you ever have black mold in your house?

[C]

Not that I know of. However, I've obviously gone down that rabbit hole since.

[B]

Okay, and did you have Pandas?

[C]

No.

[B]

Okay, I know.

[C]

Super random. Say yes to one of those, I think. And no doctor has said, this is what it is. I was taking Adderall in college, and I. I think as a super sensitive person, a Starbucks, couple shots of espresso and Adderall. Like, I think that can mess with the electrical conduction of your heart, which is the kind of issue that I have.

[A]

You Think it was your.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Well, you know, anytime we say things like this, you're not a dog, people get. But I mean, was it just making your heart beat fast? Were you anxious? Were you just. You felt like you were like, too wired up or what?

[C]

All of it. And by the way, that might not be it. I don't know. I've been checked for everything. Like, my mom, my. Both my parents are nurses. So when this happened, they were like, we went down the infectious disease rabbit hole, everything. And really what it's come down to is, like, if it's not broke, don't fix it. The pacemaker works. I've never fainted since. I was fainting, like, badly. Like, would have to be ambulance to the. To the hospital and stuff like that.

[B]

And go back to when you were little, what did you do when you were having all these chronic illnesses? Before the pacemaker, it was a lot

[C]

of going to the doctor, antibiotics, you know, I was just sort of like the difficult one. Like I said, both my parents were nurses, so I knew a lot. Maybe that was actually to my detriment. But it wasn't until Covid, when things really came to a head. And now that I know what I know, that's not a coincidence, right? Like, I was living alone in my apartment in New York City. I had just gone through a breakup after many years of being living with someone. I was super anxious about COVID at the time because we didn't know what we know now. And.

[A]

And you were in New York.

[C]

Yeah, in New York, solo mish. Like, it was. It was crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, there were like body freezers on the street. Like, it was like, really bad. So not coincidentally, my anxiety was at an all time high and I was having skin issues. My scalp started getting like, seborrheic dermatitis. I had a lot of stuff going on. The craziest and worst symptom that I had was pelvic pain. So it started literally pretty much exactly when the world shut down. And it basically felt like I had a UTI all the time for years.

[B]

I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy years.

[C]

Like, I saw every doctor, I did every workup. I did PT for my pelvic floor. I flew to Kentucky where a doctor told me I needed two years of antibiotics. Like, I would have gone to the end of the earth to figure that out. And I obviously assumed that there was something structurally, physically wrong with me. Fast forward. It's end of 2023. So I've been dealing with this for three full years now of just every day just burning pain. And, you know, it's hard when you have, like, a pain that intense to think that it's anything other than medical and structural. Right? And I discovered this woman, Nicole Sachs, who was put onto my radar by a friend at the time. And it was. It was kind of pre. You know, the world is kind of going in the direction of nervous system regulation now, right? Thank God. But it was kind of pre that. And I'd heard the term a couple of times, but I was like, my issues are not that, right? Like, I have, like, burning pain. There's no way that's happening. You know, from my head, I discovered this woman's work. And it was just one of those moments. I don't know if you guys have had those, where something just clicks and you're like, that's my path. Like, it was just. It was a ping. I don't know what else to call it, but I followed it. I got her book, I took her course, and within a couple of months, the pain started to dissipate. And I know it sounds insane.

[A]

It doesn't sound insane.

[B]

It doesn't sound insane.

[A]

Do you know why?

[B]

No, no, let her finish. Let her finish.

[A]

It doesn't sound insane.

[B]

I know. He can't wait. He can't wait about this. He's literally frothy.

[A]

I'm gonna validate all your. I'm gonna validate what you're saying.

[C]

Thank God.

[B]

Go ahead. No, you go ahead.

[C]

It. Basically, the premise of this, and we'll get more into it, is that there is this condition called tms.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I'm going to go in the other room.

[C]

The tms.

[A]

Tension meiosis syndrome.

[B]

Yeah. See? Bye, guys.

[A]

I told you I'm off. I'm so glad you came. Okay, now we're going. We're going to go down a wormhole.

[B]

He literally is strapping on his tap dancing shoes.

[A]

No, go on.

[B]

Go ahead.

[C]

So I discovered tms. I'm like, that's me. That's me, that's me. Type A perfectionist, overachiever, has bottled it in my whole life.

[A]

Subconscious down in the subconscious.

[B]

Oh, deep.

[C]

And I start her practice, which is a 20 minute a day aggressive daily journal dump. That's it. That is literally all you do. You're. You're not just writing, oh, this is what I did this morning. Like, it's nothing cute. It is f this. I hate that you're saying, like, the things that you would never want anyone in your life to hear you say. And Then you rip it up. I am telling you, there is nothing more impactful that I've done. I have been trying wellness things for 10 years. If everyone in the world did this practice, it would be an entirely different place.

[A]

Have you ever read. Okay, so here's how I discovered this. And it's. This is what I was trying to explain to Lauren. I had this chronic back pain. I hurt myself. It was this whole thing.

[C]

I remember you talking about it on a podcast, and I remember saying, michael has tms.

[A]

Yes. I swear to God. I was getting a massage one day, and the woman asked me, like, what's. And she was this older woman, and she said that she met this very wealthy guy in New York that had tried everything. He was, like, done everything. And one day he discovered this book by this guy named Dr. Sarno.

[C]

Dr. Sarno.

[A]

Yeah. And it was called Healing Back Pain. Everyone back pain should get it. And essentially, she's like. He said, after reading the book, halfway through, the pain went away. And so I wrote, read this book. I was sitting next to bed, and Lauren and I told her, and I learned about tms. And the same thing as you. It's like, oh, I'm like, that's me subconscious this. That. And what happens is. And I don't know if you experienced this. They basically say most people think they have this because it's triggered by some kind of injury. But then they. The injury is like, you hold on

[C]

to the pain of the injury, which, by the way, mine started with a uti. My body remembered that pain and didn't let it go. Same with a lot of. And it messes with people because they think it's so structural because they threw their back out or whatever, or they had this sports injury and then their shoulder pain never went away. And that's, like, not possible.

[A]

Yeah. And so what. What I found is like, I. And I recently got an X ray, and they're like, structurally really good. It's exactly what you're saying. It's in our subconscious. And what I realize is that what I took away from it, and I don't know if it's the same for you, is that sometimes the pain in our subconscious is so great that we transfer the pain to a physical thing somewhere else.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But as soon as you realize that that's what your mind is doing is it's taking subconscious pain and moving it and you are aware of it. Just the awareness alone makes the pain go away. That's what happened to me.

[C]

Awareness and belief are two of the biggest pieces. That's why reading the book alone can mitigate pain.

[B]

Hold on.

[C]

Which is so crazy.

[B]

How did you know to read this book? Specifically?

[C]

I saw Nicole Sacks Instagram, who, by the way, was a patient of Dr. John Sarno and is basically, like, carrying on his work. Cause he's since passed. And I just saw her Instagram. I started looking through her content where I was like, by the way, you have to have her on the podcast.

[A]

By the way, Lauren's writing this down now because you're telling her. But if I told her, she's not interested.

[B]

No, I'm interested. It's just like, how interested can I be when you tell you narrate everything.

[C]

Go ahead. So I discover her Instagram, I look through some of her content. I immediately see myself in what she's talking about, similarly to you. And I go to her website. There's a course and there's a book. I buy both and I just dive in. Because, by the way, the beautiful thing about a rock bottom, which I would definitely consider to be where I was at that point with my pain. And just like life, the beautiful thing is that it opens you up to things that you maybe wouldn't have otherwise entertained. And a year prior, if you would have told me your bladder pain is tms, I would have been like, you're out of your skull. So I think timing is really important for people. Not everyone is ready to hear this. I just so happened to be, thank God, ready at that time because I really needed it. And it. It changed everything.

[A]

Well, I would consider myself not so much now. I'm actually pretty open, but more resistant, more analytical than Lauren. Not that she's not, but I would like meaning, like, I hear about some of this stuff that be labeled woo. And I'm like, I'm much more skeptical than Lauren.

[B]

You've opened up so much. I've cracked you like a fudgeing egg.

[A]

But to your point, what I would say for the people that fall into that camp that were more wired, like me, that are hesitant, that are like, no, where's the evidence? What's the advice for those people? This guy, Dr. Sarno, starts his book by saying that he's writing it for doctors in the future that'll be more open to this idea and this thought process that the subconscious is connected to more than we believed at the time. He realized at the time he wrote it, the medical community would really push back on it. But then there's no ask in the book other than just understanding the symptom

[B]

and the Syndrome being closed off to that. How has this opened you up energetically to moving forward?

[C]

I totally know what you mean, and in so many ways, because I was always someone that was like, oh, I should meditate, I should journal. But I would do those things because I was checking them off a list because I felt like I should, right? Which is not the right way to be going about it. I didn't know any better. Obviously, I don't fault myself for that. It's shown me that there is something greater going on, right? That, like, there is. That energy is real, that subconscious is real. I don't know, it's. It's just deepened my belief and understanding in some of these practices that, like, if a daily journaling practice can make my debilitating pain go away, I don't know, what. What else can I do? It's. I don't know, it's sort of just opened up my perspective to these kinds of things.

[A]

Here's what it is for me too, is like, I'm someone of means. I can talk to the best doctors and I can use the peptides and I can do all the best physical therapists and go to. None of it worked. None of those people helped not to diminish them. They, like all the doctors, all the peptides, all the therapies that people do when they. When they're able to do it, didn't work. The only thing that worked for me was an understanding of this. And as soon as I understood it, the pain all went away. And I was battling this for years. And, you know, you saw it's, like, debilitating.

[B]

And then you went and got your atlas adjusted.

[A]

That's a whole other story. But the. But the point is, is, like, I look at it from the approach of, like, if you're someone who's hesitant, which is definitely me, I did all the other things that all the doctors and everybody prescribed and all the medications and all the western medicine, and none of it worked. As soon as I did this and understood about this, it went away. So, like, that's what sold. That's what sold me on this. And then as I've gotten older, it's clear to me that, like, of course we bury trauma, and of course we bury things in our subconscious. And of course we're, like, suppressing these. Especially if you're wired how I think you and I are, like, my whole. My whole childhood was like, bury it down deep. Like, don't you know? And so if there's pain that I probably am not even aware of, like, who knows what that's manifesting, what that's what that's creating. So I'm just. I think it's an awareness, as soon as you become aware of it, that you are then able to kind of start dealing with it in the first place, 100%.

[C]

And I will just add that for the naysayers, which I totally get. That was me. You, me, a lot of them. We've tried everything. You name it, I have tried it. I've done the weirdest things. Biomagnetism, bladder installations. Like, I tried to go the medical route, by the way. I would have loved at the time for an antibiotic to fix this. Unfortunately, it was actually much deeper rooted than that. And it's a daily practice that I still do every single day.

[B]

What do you think was, when I say causing it? Meaning, like, do you think it was from something when you were little, or do you think it was a bunch of events that happened at once?

[C]

So the premise of TMS in general, and I think this is what applies to me, is that your body would rather feel physical pain and discomfort and conditions than whatever is going on emotionally beneath the surface. So the way that it's described is it's sort of like a protective mechanism. Your body actually is always working for you. It's never working against you, even though we so often feel that way. And in this case, the rash, the pelvic pain was actually distracting me from all the emotional stuff going on internally. I was busy. I was running from appointment to appointment. I was obsessed. It became my whole schedule. And your body's like, yay, we're doing our job. Because she's not feeling whatever, like, pain and sadness. And by the way, I didn't have any big T traumas, so this doesn't necessarily mean that. Of course it absolutely can. It can just be the little stuff that you suppressed and that adds up and that your body gets very used to kind of being in this, like, perma, fight or flight.

[B]

That's interesting. I have a rash that won't go away. I need to read the book, maybe.

[C]

What kind of rash? It's just like, an eczema.

[B]

It's like. No, it's just a rash on my legs that when I get stressed, it, like, acts up.

[A]

I think the biggest takeaway.

[B]

Interesting. Start the journal. I'm gonna start the. So you're saying to do 20 minutes a day. Give us, like, give us a few lines from, like, if you're being really honest from a journal entry.

[C]

Okay, so I like to start it and there's really no right or wrong way to do it. Everyone's always, like, trying to do it the perfect way, which is part of the TMS problem. I start with, how does it feel to be me today? And, like, when I've been very nauseous recently, feels really fucking bad to be me today. I. I feel like I should be really grateful, and instead I'm pissed. I feel like nobody understands. I feel like my husband doesn't understand. You let it rip. You say you hate things. You say you hate people. It's stuff that verbalizing, even right now, feels so shameful.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You write. You don't keep saying it out loud. You just write it down.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You're just writing it. Yeah. You're not saying any. And yeah, it's the stuff that I feel like big people's biggest mistake that they make. If you could make a mistake with journal speak, which is the name of the practice, is that they don't go the layer deep enough. They keep it surface. With practice, you will uncover layers. It'll start with someone pissing you off at work, and the next thing you know, you'll be reminded of the fact that no one in your childhood took you seriously and you always felt like your ideas were squashed. And that's why the girl that was copying you at work got to you. That's why it triggered you.

[B]

The thing that's great when you get it out and it's out. And then for me, the reason that I don't. Like, I would be like, I don't want to write that down because I don't want to have it as an affirmation. But I like the practice of tearing it up.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

So if you get it out and then you tear it up, that's what is intriguing to me.

[A]

I think the biggest thing that I realized through this process is that the mind is much more powerful than you give it credit for. And, like, you use. You know, people talk about manifesting or they people. People talk about, like, positive mindsets. You don't realize, like, that it's also the opposite. Like, the negative thought process that are too painful to deal with that you bury super deep. They don't just go away. They're in there somewhere in the subconscious. And then it translates to pain in other places. Like, you may not even realize. Like, in my case, I like, I start thinking, I'm like, I don't know what kind of. But as I've gotten through going and going, I'm like, oh, there's probably Some stuff there that is just that I've just suppressed for a long time. And the mind's really good at kind of like making you forget and repositioning it to pain in other places.

[B]

Well, it's really interesting because my favorite book on the planet is you can heal your life. I gift it to everybody. I love that book. And it's all about holding pain in certain areas. Like, she talks about how sometimes people who have been molested will hold pain in their cervix and get cervix cancer. Or people who are dealing with problems with their father or will the pain will go to their right hip. If you have problems with your mother, it goes to your left hip. And she. And she talks about how what you're thinking and what you're feeling manifests in certain areas of the body for certain reasons. She talks about breast cancer, and she says that that can be from helping too much, which makes sense because the breasts are used for feeding.

[C]

Yes, it's.

[B]

It's really. It's what you guys are. Louise.

[C]

Okay, I need to read that. I haven't read it.

[B]

You don't know that.

[A]

Well, I just wanted to know. I thought that's what you said, but I just wanted.

[B]

Oh, my goodness.

[A]

I thought that's who you said.

[B]

Okay, so. But it's very much. It's almost like what. What you're saying is very much in her line of work. But what I like about what you guys are saying is the journal part where you write it all out and you get it all out, because you have to get it out. You can't bottle it in.

[C]

Exactly. And by the way, this can come in so many different forms. You look at all these somatic practices and like, energetic release and even just like, sitting here shaking your hands, like it's getting rid of energy. And so many people bring up your point, Lauren, about. Well, if I'm writing all these negative things down, isn't that going to, like, manifest more negativity? And what I always say to that is those thoughts and feelings are there anyway.

[B]

Right.

[C]

You could get it out. You could put them on paper and get them out, or let them manifest as migraines and back pain.

[B]

That is a very, very, very good point.

[A]

And by the way, TMS is not just like. For me, like, there's. There's headaches, there's ulcers. Like, if you go through the list of symptoms, so many things, there's. Yeah, there's so many symptoms beyond, like. Like, you might be sitting there listening, saying, I Don't have back pain or headaches. Like, there's a million different pain symptoms from this thing.

[B]

What if you come across a journal entry that I've teared up that says, I'm going to fuck my husband up today?

[A]

Oh, I thought it was going in the right direction.

[C]

I do have a confession. I don't always rip mine up. And I just trust that my husband would literally never. Because, by the way, if he read it, I would know it would show.

[B]

Interesting.

[C]

I just trust if you read it, you would know that's like my little book, and he just doesn't. I mean, I do my best to rip it up. Sometimes it just feels like a task. At night, I do the writing before bed.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Because I have more material.

[B]

And you do it every day?

[C]

Every day.

[B]

What do you think? Well, first you have an announcement. Why don't you make the announcement?

[C]

I am pregnant.

[A]

Oh, we're announcing that on the show. Well, we should have, like, some kind of, like, balloons fall from the ceiling or something.

[B]

Yeah, you should have.

[C]

Should have done the gender reveal here, guys.

[B]

Yeah. So exciting. Congratulations.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

How has this practice helped you with your pregnancy?

[C]

Okay, two parts to this. The first part, I'm going to be really honest. First trimester has been absolutely brutal, and it's been very hard to show up for my practices. And I've had to kind of learn that some level of fluidity and flexibility has to be allowed. And that's also the case with journal speak. Right. Like, I do it every day for the most part. I had about a 300 day streak of doing it in a row. That's how dedicated I was. I've loosened the grip a little now and. And I think that that's normal and should be the case. Like Nicole Sacks always says, like, this shouldn't be a lifelong prescription because then you're bound to it.

[B]

Right.

[C]

All of a sudden you're, like, holding it really tightly, like everything else in life.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So I think there's been that piece that I just want to be honest about. The other piece is, I feel like one of the greatest gifts you can give to your children. And I'm not a mother yet. Is a regulated nervous system. Like, to be not super reactive. To have, like a. A baseline, to have a daily practice where you can release things and not take it out on them. And. And also just, like, from the idea of the environment that I'm building this child in, like, I like to think I'm decently regulated now, after all this work doesn't mean I'm not susceptible to bad days. I've been definitely having them. But yeah, it's. It's further motivation to be bringing life into this world to continue my practice also.

[B]

And you mentioned this a little bit, but the environment that you're growing the baby in, you don't. For me, I didn't want to be anxious and, yes. Depressed and upset. It's. And you have to work at it. A regulated nervous system you have to work at.

[C]

I think it's not a one and done.

[B]

No, it's. It's also constantly relearning. Like, I'll be. I'll meditate, like you said, for like a hundred days in a row. And then I'll. I'll stop for two weeks and then I have to, like, relearn to, like, go back to it. It really is a practice.

[C]

Yep. And it's like, I swear, every time I get off the meditation train or even like, with this journal speak break that I took because I was so nauseous, you have to like, re. Identify with being a person that does that.

[B]

Right.

[C]

You know what I mean? It's like this shift where you're like, oh, I can't do that anymore. I was bad. Yeah. And you just have to obviously rip the band aid off and dive back in.

[A]

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[B]

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[C]

Okay?

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[C]

Wow.

[B]

Because my body knows that it needs that. You called it a prescription of solitude. Yep. And I don't know if that's just being a mother of three kids. Sometimes you don't get that solitude. But my body will wake me up and remind me to just be still. Because I play dead like an opossum all the time.

[A]

Might be a cortisol issue, Lauren.

[B]

But no, I play dead.

[C]

I love your body's doing it for.

[B]

You'll see when, if you have three kids, you're going to play dead. I pretend like I'm asleep when I'm awake now. Fully awake, fully awake, pretending I'm asleep.

[C]

Just full of possibly don't start being

[B]

like, are you asleep? Are you awake? Because that's offensive.

[A]

No, but I think like the, you know, I always, I hear these guys and girls talking about these extensive routines and practices before they have children.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And what I would, would, would when I think about that, I'm like, oh, well, you know, like if I even need to go and put my shoes on and Walk outside the door. Now it takes, like, I have to take five deep breaths and figure out how I'm going to get out.

[C]

Right, Right.

[A]

So, like, listen again. People parent, and it's hard, but I think you have to be even more intentional when you have children because the time gets tighter and you're constantly interrupted, and somebody always needs something from you. And so it's. It's harder. And I think for parents listening out there, like, it's easy to let a lot of this stuff fall by the wayside and stop taking care of yourself, because all of a sudden you have these kids that are demanding so much of you.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Having these practices in advance and just, like, being a little bit kinder to yourself, knowing that, like, it's not going to be perfect, especially when the kid's here.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You know, your recent engagement was something that you said you manifested. Talk to us about that.

[C]

Yes. Okay. So going back to when I discovered Journal speak, end of 2023, I think it was. I was in a relationship that I knew was, like, coming to an end that had been very long term, and I ended up ending that relationship. I actually saw, and I feel like you'll appreciate this, a psychic around that time who was like, so this was February of 24, and she said I was going through the breakup looking for a little guidance. And she was like, at this time next year, you're gonna be engaged. And I was like, jamie, you're out of your skull. There's no way, like, I'm. I just got out of a relationship. I also moved very slowly. She described my now husband literally, perfectly

[B]

to a T. I'm gonna need this psychic sobriety.

[C]

I got you, but you can't. We gotta keep Jamie tight. And I know a lot of people are gonna reach out about her. Oh, by the way, she's in Texas, so I have that call. Simultaneously, I'm doing a lot of manifestation work because I had gone through this breakup, and I had just discovered journal speak. And I was starting to feel better, and I was just feeling motivated.

[B]

Right.

[C]

I had started actually the To Be Magnetic. You know, Lacy Phillips.

[B]

I don't. I saw that on our notes.

[C]

She's amazing. So she has this program called To Be Magnetic that I actually started at the end of 23. She has, like, an end of year challenge that's. She is, like, the queen of, like, neural manifestation and neural plasticity was very early to the manifestation game. And she has these programs where she basically, like, helps you to rewire your thoughts. She has these things called Deep imaginings that are like sort of self hypnosis. And the idea is that we manifest from our subconscious, not from our thoughts. And so this is where I think it gets really interesting with the nervous system stuff, because I believe that our external world is a reflection of our internal reality.

[B]

Absolutely.

[C]

And it makes so much sense because when I was in so much pain, I was also in the wrong relationship. I also felt stuck with work. And when I started to shift that, like, there was just this momentum that could not be stopped.

[B]

You're out of alignment.

[C]

Exactly. All of a sudden, my health problems got better. I met my now husband. I started a podcast that's, like, definitely aligned with my purpose. Everything shift shifted. And so I think meeting Clayton was a big part of that. And I really, like, worked hard at it. I did the to be magnetic challenge. I made this list of my perfect partner, and I worked on changing myself internally so that, like, my vibration matched the person that I wanted to be with.

[B]

Yes. That is so important. That, in my opinion, is how you meet the right partner. Yes. You cannot sit there and ask for all this stuff from a partner and have this laundry list of things and not be vibrating and having the same things within you 100%. It's like, one of my friends, I was. I told the story before on air. He's sitting there telling me that he wants a girl with perfect teeth. She's got to have perfect teeth and a perfect ass and a thigh gap. And I'm like, let me see your ass. Let's see your thigh gap. And what? Your teeth are literally rotting out of your skull. They're yellow. I said that to him. I'm like, this is not fair. You cannot expect all these things when you are not embodying the things as well.

[A]

No, but really what it is, is, like, Lauren, like, if you explain it in vibration or alignment, whatever, it's. It's fine. But for people that are not into those words, it's really this. It's really this, like, false expectation that you deserve greatness when you're also not taking care of the things that you need to be taking care of yourself. And it's this idea that, like, it's an external problem and that you are not the problem.

[C]

That's the thing that I see and hear so much with my girlfriends and just. I was. That I was like, it's. There's no men in New York. You know, it was, like, always a them problem.

[A]

It's always the problem, always is beyond them and outside of them.

[B]

Men and women the government, or it's the.

[A]

Or it's the way they were raised, or it's the place they live. But until anyone takes personal accountability for the things that are not going right in their life and realizes that they are to blame, most likely, and that it's not external circumstances, nothing will change. Like, imagine if I was running this company and every time something went wrong, I'm like, oh, this team member of fucking Carson didn't produce the show. Or like, just brand.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

The company would go to the ground. A lot of leaders do that, and they wonder why they don't have companies. But if instead you say, you know what? Everything's my fault. I didn't give the right direction. I didn't look at that the right way. I didn't listen. I didn't hear, like, I cannot wait

[B]

to replay this clip when we get in a fight.

[A]

Yeah, but, but, but. And vice versa. But the point is, is like, I think sometimes people are talking about, like, alignment and vibration, all that.

[B]

It.

[A]

It really is a personal accountability thing.

[C]

Absolutely.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I think it really is required of us to take accountability for ourselves and, and see where, you know, a lot of people look at breakups or past relationships as these failures, and it's like, what was I doing wrong? That, like, that's where I was at. That that's what I attracted.

[A]

Yeah, well, it's. It's much easier to blame things around you than to look inward and say, oh, you know, I'm probably not living the way that I know I could be if I actually took some personal account.

[B]

Yeah, right. I think that's an important point, though, when you're. If you're dating someone and you break up, it's like what you. You mentioned early. What frequency were you vibrating at to attract that? And when you change that.

[A]

And by the way, that's a good point. Your partner may be a total piece of. But you are the one that is attracting and putting up with that piece of shit. Right. Like, it's not. So. I'm not, I'm not saying that, like, there aren't bad partners or bad circumstances or bad parents or bad jobs or bosses, but you have to own your part in that. And, like, why you're staying or why you're accepting or why you're still participating.

[C]

We're not blaming, but there is some level of tolerance that happens in these relationships, even if it's just a stale relationship.

[B]

So what happens when you get engaged? The psychic was right.

[C]

Psychic was right. She was off by four weeks. I mean, that's pretty insane. She also said that I was going to be pregnant and I had sex or what? I know, right? And she called out the gender. She also said that my next round of kids will be twins. So let's. Let's just put that here right now and we'll see what happens. But that would be insane.

[B]

Is there twins in your husband's family?

[C]

My dad's a twin, my grandpa's a twin, and I have twin cousins.

[A]

Oh, wow. Twins are wild.

[C]

Wild.

[A]

I don't know. We haven't experienced that, but whenever I see people doing that, I'm like, whoa, that's intense.

[C]

It's like, it's crazy.

[A]

You have to like basically double up on everything at the same time. I don't know. That'd be.

[C]

And they're feeding off of each other and it's. It's madness.

[B]

Yeah. That is madness.

[A]

Yeah. Parents that can do that. I'm like, damn, you're on a different level.

[C]

Superheroes.

[B]

So now you get engaged and what are you vibrating at? What's the differences between you with your previous relationship to now with the person you're with?

[C]

I would say that with Clayton, there has always been, from the day I met him, a certainty that he was my person. And I know that that's not the case for everyone. So I'm not saying that that's prescriptive, but I think he and I had just been holding out for it to feel really, really right and to not ever settle. Unfortunately, a lot of people settle. We both felt that way from the beginning. And then with engagement, it was also not one of those things where I was like, when are we gonna get engaged? Like, what's the timeline? Blah, blah. I just knew there was just this confidence and knowingness in the relationship. I think on both of our sides where there was never any pressure. We just knew how it would go, we knew we'd get married and that's how it all worked out.

[B]

I think that that's attractive too. When you have the confidence that you don't, you're not like, where's the ring? When's this? When that confidence, I think to me is sexy.

[A]

Touching that topic with a ten foot pole.

[B]

Touch it.

[A]

No, I'm not.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Next question.

[B]

I'm just give your perspective. You're the male in the room.

[A]

That's why I'm not giving the perspective because I don't want to hear about.

[B]

You can use us as an example.

[A]

I'm not commenting.

[B]

What's your perspective?

[A]

I'm not commenting.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Because I'm gonna. I already get enough lack as it is.

[B]

Okay. All right.

[C]

It's also. I'll save Michael here. It is also applicable to dating. I think this again, energetics, vibration. Is there this desperation to your dating patterns where you're like, I have to meet a husband, like, the. The clock is ticking, blah, blah. Or are you like, where I was when I met him? Confident in who you are, really happy, living alone and being solo and being like, God, if. If I bring somebody into my life, they've got to really add to it because it's good.

[A]

I think subconsciously. Nobody wants to feel like you're a person's only option.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like I don't want to date someone and feel like I'm the only option for them. And I think vice versa. You don't want to be with someone where you feel like you're their only option. Like, I think it's a wired.

[B]

Married for 100 years and I still have options. Don't ever forget it.

[A]

My options are going up by the day. Options. My dating profile would be like, Lauren Bostick's ex. That's all it would say. Be like.

[B]

They'll be like, are we doing Thanksgiving with Lauren?

[A]

I'd probably use photos of you.

[B]

Who cares about you?

[A]

I'd use photos of you and me. Yeah. I'd use photos of you.

[B]

A photo of you and me?

[A]

Yeah, for sure. For sure.

[B]

You just, like, put the default. So it's just my face.

[A]

Of course, because you.

[B]

She is the photo.

[A]

You validate me as the guy to be like, if she would have wanted this guy, then maybe. Must be something going on.

[B]

That's actually insanity.

[C]

That's.

[A]

It's not insanity. The girls out there know it's true. All the girls know that's true. If you're just some guy holding a fish, that's not good.

[B]

Your Ariah profile is going to say Lauren Bostick's ex.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

For sure.

[B]

Just so we're clear, I got the

[A]

profile reserved just in case.

[C]

All right.

[B]

I don't like sloppy seconds, so whoever gets them, it's fine with me.

[A]

You never know if it's your sloppy seconds. People might say the stock is rising.

[B]

Maybe. Maybe. So talk to me a little bit about what you just said about inner confidence and not attracting people. Things, relationships. Because I think that's really important outside

[C]

of the relationship piece. I'm going to talk about it as it pertains to my job, because I think that's kind of like another area that I've grown in through this sort of just getting my inner world rearranged. Confidence in work, in the way that you speak about things, in the way that I feel like now with my work, I only do things that feel really good. There's like a different level of self worth, I think, that has increased in all these areas. Dating definitely was one of them. Where you're like, I don't know. I just, I. I have no choice but to be authentically myself. And so I just feel like it shows up in a different way and. And people have a different level of traction to it. There's. There's like a different level of magnetism that I think people that are just super authentically themselves because you're no longer, like, fighting who you innately are.

[B]

I think you are so spot on.

[A]

You know what else I think it is? I think people feel safe with those people because they feel there's a lack of judgment.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, whenever I'm around people that are just themselves with all their quirks and weird things, but also like, just them, I feel like those people are much more open to not judging my weird quirks or what's strange about, like, you

[C]

know, it's a safety.

[A]

Yeah. That's what I. I think that's why we're attracted to those people. Because there's nothing worse than feeling like somebody's judging you. They're super stiff. Right. And they're like, looking at you for perfection.

[C]

Yes. And you, like, you. You hear it in the way that they talk about other people, because none of us are immune to that. If they're talking shit or judging other people, then you're probably doing it to me too.

[B]

Yeah. It's like a highly critic. A person who's constantly criticizing, it gets tiring.

[C]

And by the way, it's because they're probably criticizing themselves.

[B]

Right. Right. When you talk to your girlfriends in New York City and they sit there and they say, oh, easy for you to say, Elizabeth. You found your person in a year. You're pregnant now. We. There's no guys in New York you mentioned. They say that. How do you coach them? And someone's listening and they're doing that. Oof.

[C]

That's a great question. I mean, I think it is getting really clear on what they want. A list of things is very helpful. And not just the perfect smile and the perfect butt. Like, we're talking, how does that person actually make you feel? So those kinds of qualities, obviously looks are part of it too. And, like, play around, have fun with it. But getting really, really clear and Then to your guys point earlier, like doing the own work on yourself so that you match that. Because it's not fair if you're just expecting someone to be this perfect specimen, but you're kind of like not treating yourself or your body or your life or works and taking yourself seriously. And then I would also say energetically opening yourself up to this kind of stuff really helps. Whether that means getting on a dating app even though you've kind of not been feeling it or going out with your friends more. You do have to like to some degree kind of be about the town a little bit.

[B]

Like, you gotta be moving, you gotta

[C]

be moving, you gotta. What Lacy Phillips always say says is you have to take aligned action. You can't just make the list and then sit back and go, God, why is nothing happening? Aligned action is important.

[B]

I think there's a lot of people who want, I call it forever students that want to do the list and listen to the podcast and do all the wellness things, but they don't want to take that action.

[C]

Yes, no.

[A]

But as it relates even to some of my guy friends, they complain about not being able to meet certain kinds of women and then like, but the only time they're trying is like if they're out at a bar or a nightclub. And not to say that people shouldn't do that, but I'm like, do you ever go like the woman you're describing is maybe not out at 2am like at that bar. Right.

[C]

I always say that to my friend. You think your husband is at that club?

[B]

Yeah, it's like, well, my husband, if I was looking for a husband right now, it's not at a club.

[C]

No.

[A]

But I will, I will see some of the behaviors that they're doing and some of the like, maybe a board things they're describing. And I'm like, does that person exist in these places? I don't know at this time of night, it's absolutely not. Maybe randomly, but yeah.

[B]

I feel like my person would be having a leisurely lunch in a boardroom, at a bookstore, traveling. I think I would meet my person between the hours of like 12 and 7. I don't think anyone.

[C]

Daylight hours, I feel like my guy

[B]

would be on a veranda, maybe he's reading a beat up book, playing tennis.

[C]

He's probably journaling.

[A]

You're my only girl. So I'm not gonna describe where my person would be.

[B]

That's where I would be. I wouldn't be at the club.

[C]

I will also just add because it's on Brand. I met my husband in a Pilates class.

[B]

So your husband was doing Pilates?

[A]

See, that's a good move.

[B]

Let me tell you about that. Your husband's smart, number one. And number two, a man that does Pilates. Zoom in on the camera.

[A]

Limber guy.

[B]

No, that's quiet confidence. I like that.

[A]

Yeah, but think about it.

[C]

Class of girls.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Amazing, by the way.

[C]

Probably strategic.

[A]

Yeah, of course it's very strategic. I mean, like, think about it, like, you know, you got some of these guys are running around at 2am at last call, and you got this guy, and he's in the Pilates class with all the girls.

[B]

So does he walk up to you in, like, the sticky socks?

[C]

Okay, so the craziest part is we had a friend that was, like, trying to set us up and she put us in the same place at the same time at Casa Cipriani years ago. And we met, we had, like, a cute conversation over the table. I said to my friends, I'm gonna marry that guy. Which, like, their jaws were on the table. I'm not the kind of person that has literally said that about a man ever. And I went home that night. I couldn't sleep because I was like. Like, that was just. I just had a weird feeling. That Monday morning, that was a Saturday night. My assistant set up a class. I was reviewing workouts at the time for Sweats in the City. She set up a random Pilates studio I'd never been to. I go to the class. It's a six reformer class, and he's on the machine next to me. Does he know he was a regular in that class? We still go to the studio now together.

[B]

What's the pickup line when he's on the Reformer?

[C]

I can't remember because all I can think about is the fact that I wore a purple romper to the class. And I was so upset about my outfit.

[B]

I feel like he would like that, though. A purple romper.

[C]

That sounds kind of. He says he was into it, but, you know, when you just don't. You're not feeling yourself in a class. Yeah, it was one of those days.

[A]

Okay, that's me every time.

[C]

In a Pilates class in the purple romper.

[A]

No, no meaning not feeling myself. Just looking not flexible and flopping all over the place.

[B]

I want to talk to you about. And we're taking a right turn about business. You left a stable corporate job at Bloomberg to co found Sweats in the City. How did that happen? And how did it get you to hear. Because you're Doing other things. Now I want to hear the business journey.

[C]

Yes. Okay. So I moved to New York City in 2015 to start a job at Bloomberg after graduating from University of Michigan. And I worked that job for several years. My roommate and I at the time started Sweats in the City, which was like a. A review platform for boutique fitness studios in New York City, which was like, really growing at the time. I remember sitting at my desk at Bloomberg and we got an Estee Lauder partnership. This was like, partnerships were just starting to come through and. And it was like a daytime event. And my partner at the time, Dale, and I were emailing back and forth, like on the Bloomberg computer, which I got in trouble for. And we had to skip the event because we both had day jobs. And I remember in that moment being like, we have to turn this into our full time gig. Like, I can't keep turning things like this down. It felt like a huge deal. I was like, estee Lauder wants us to come and pay us to come to do this day. And so fast forward, we started getting organized, we started figuring out partnerships and, you know, working on, like, our monthly average so we could support ourselves. I had zero financial support from my family or anybody, so I really needed to make it work if we were gonna do it. And eventually we got there and we grew it together, and she was able to quit her job at the same time. And so we did it for almost 10 years. Wow. We survived Covid, which was really challenging because we couldn't review workouts. We started a fitness app during that time and sourced all of the different instructors from all the studios that we had been reviewing. Then this past summer, I was simultaneously doing my podcast that I started in 24, and I felt that same feeling of when I was at Bloomberg. And I was like, I don't feel aligned with what I'm doing every day anymore. I feel like I'm someone who needs to be like, I'm all in or I'm all out. You know, there's like no gray area in career for me. And I just started to feel like, you know, the stuff that I really wanted to talk about, the alternative healing modalities, the chronic pain, like, the stuff that I really felt like had happened to me because it was my purpose to be talking about. Felt like there wasn't fully a place for it if I was doing both. And so this past August, I transitioned to doing my podcast and Instagram account full time. The wellness process. And yeah, I mean, it's been an evolution. And I really wouldn't have thought that a girl from a small town in Michigan who could barely afford to live in New York City on my Bloomberg salary could be working for myself, let alone, like, starting multiple companies.

[B]

And does sweats in the city still exist?

[C]

Yes. So Dale is still running it in la, and it's more LA focused now, and she's doing, like, fitness reporting and holding it down.

[B]

Really cool.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So you guys are both doing what feels harmonious for you.

[C]

Exactly. And I think people feel that.

[A]

Well, what's cool about the previous experience, too, is I think when people get into this business and they're creating things and from the outside, sometimes it looks easy. Yeah, right. If you've never done, it's like, oh, it must be nice. It's like, take pictures or talk on a mic and. But there's a lot of work, and I think that what people quickly realize, it requires a lot of work ethic. So the Bloomberg experience, like, I'm sure that was a grind all the time. And so it sets you up to understand, like, it's not just you. You have the work ethic and the discipline to carry on your own thing and to stay consistent with where a lot of times people get into this space, not even just this medium, and they're like, oh, there's real work that takes place here.

[C]

100%. I'm so grateful for my background. I studied economics. I've always been like a finance girl. I was selling Bloomberg terminals, so it was very financially focused. And then I switched over into ad sales, which then really applied to when I was managing myself with sweats in the city, because that's basically what you're doing is ad sales. You know, you're selling your own ad space. So it was definitely a grind. Not easy, but doable. If it's something that you really feel like your purpose is tied in.

[B]

You mentioned alternative wellness modalities. What does that look like for you? What are the things that you reach for besides your journal dump? What is it called? Journal Speak.

[C]

Journal Speak.

[B]

Journal Speak. What are the other things that you love?

[C]

If I'm being honest, I used to lean on these tools a lot more before I discovered the Journal Speak work.

[B]

Wow, that's really been, like, really impactful

[C]

for you because, yeah, I felt like I had to be running from appointment to appointment. So now I keep it to just things that I purely am enjoying. And I feel like I leave feeling totally refreshed. Lymphatic drainage. By the way, I saw your girl yesterday. Irina.

[B]

Yes. For the face, body, okay.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That was crazy. I've tried a hundred lymphatic drainage massages and it was spectacular.

[B]

2. Best lymphatic in Austin is Josie. I love her for the body. And then also Irena does the best face massage. It is like insane. It's a Russian technique.

[C]

She's special.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So thank you for that gem. And then things like acupuncture and I mean, honestly, I don't do a ton. I do pilates. I do acupuncture every couple of weeks. If there's a great massage, I'll dabble, but I'm not into. We were talking in the beginning about like extensive routines. I'm not an extensive routine girl anymore because I just find that it was becoming stressful.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

like once you clear out a lot of the stuff in the mind and the subconscious, in the way you talk to yourself, like what a lot of people do is they have these huge routines which are great and fine because they are not addressing a lot of the stuff that they need to address. And so you need those routines to feel good. Yes, you need, you need intense, you need all these things to kind of distract you. But once you deal with that, like, and you're in a good place, then you can kind of just enjoy those things. Sporadically you know what I mean?

[C]

Your baseline raises. And so I feel like you become a lot more resilient to other things. Like, I used to be so sensitive. I would get allergies. That's another big TMS thing. Seasonal allergies. Like so many things where I would eat dairy and gluten and my stomach would be so bloated. It doesn't happen anymore. Like, I'm pretty. I'm pretty thick skinned now. I don't know if that's the right word, but I just feel like I'm less fragile and less in need of all these services.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, like, even things like. And again, I know it's important. Don't touch the phone for an hour in the morning. But people talk about like, if you do it, like, oh my God, my day's derailed and I can. Then I went. So I'm like, like, guys, if the phone is affecting you that much again, like, it shouldn't. Like, I could pick up my phone first thing in the morning, look at it like, yeah, it's probably not good. They put it down. I'm like, I go about my day. I'm not like, oh my God, my life is derailed and I don't know what to do for the. These things should not be this disruptive.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

There was literally people raiding villages and killing your family in past generations. Like, we can handle the phone. We gotta be able to look at the phone.

[C]

Got it.

[A]

Whenever I hear this shit, I'm like, God damn. People got a tough.

[B]

I don't want to look at my

[C]

phone, by the way. Me either. But you get my word.

[A]

I'm like, you were lucky, literally. You got a cold in the past and you died in two days.

[B]

I just don't. I just don't. I don't want to look at it.

[A]

I understand.

[B]

I'm not compelled by it in the morning, honestly, to be honest with you. It's a turn off.

[A]

It's like, the point is, is that like, we got to like, get to a place where like, not everything is so disruptive to our mental state.

[B]

You know what? I do feel like you would like though, just from talking to you.

[C]

Tell me.

[B]

Cranial sacral love. Okay.

[C]

Literally did it.

[B]

I feel like a cranial sacral.

[C]

Such a craniosacral. And actually I just sent my husband a screenshot of a girl that I found in New York who does it for babies.

[B]

I.

[C]

And I'm like, was just to tell

[B]

you that I bet you it's the same person that's how we found out about a person in New York, remember that came to see Bond.

[C]

It's definitely her.

[B]

I bet you it's the same person. If it's not though, I'm gonna tell you who it is off air. But there's a woman that sees baby it for and you have to do it. I think everyone do what you think. For me, I did it right when he was born and we've been doing it. And it's amazing.

[C]

Great.

[B]

It's amazing. For tongue ties, it's amazing if they had a traumatic birth, which most births are obviously traumatic, of course, there's so many benefits to it.

[A]

I don't like that you have to do the declaimer saying, do what work? But my whole thing is sometimes people will give shit to people that, like, you talk about these things that you're doing what works for you.

[C]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[A]

A lot of people just say, like, drink lemon water and like, exercise, like. But they're not telling what they'll think. Again, you don't have to do it. But I don't feel this disclaimer like when people say it's overwhelming, it's too much like, you don't have to do any of that. But at least we're going to tell you what it is we're doing the

[C]

way that I like to look at it. And I totally get that. And having a wellness podcast myself. It's like, I like to provide people with a menu. Here's what's working for me, here's what's not. Here's some ideas. Take with it what you will. I don't believe wellness should be a copy and paste. I think there was an era of everyone sharing their morning routine and their nighttime routine and all of us beating ourselves up because ours didn't look like that. It needs to be fluid. It needs to be okay. I like what Lauren was doing there. I'm gonna take it. And it also needs to change with the seasons. This rigidity is actually way worse for us than grabbing your phone in the morning or not having the lemon water.

[A]

I posted about nicotine the other day, which, by the way, for people that are wondering about that, I smoke cigars for years. I take nicotine. Used to smoke cigarettes all the time.

[B]

Don't do it.

[A]

Not anymore.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

It's too much. I drink alcohol regularly.

[B]

I like the occasional sweet.

[A]

We had a bottle of wine last night and we came over here. But my point is, I'm not saying people need to do that. I'm Very well aware that there are negative effects if you have too much nicotine, if you have too much alcohol. Also we have our friends and maja friends come on the show. I have no interest in going and sitting at an alcohol free dinner and talking about peptides with them. None whatsoever. Boring. Going to drink multiple alcohol drinks when I'm out and gonna have fun. But the point is, is like we also, 80% of the time are into all of these wellness things. We're into taking care of it. We worked out this morning as well like some of these practices and people like, oh, you're a wellness person. I did this. It drives me nuts because I'm like, listen, like the, the reason that I take care of myself and I'm well is so that I can also enjoy vices once in a while. Like if I can't do that. Like for me you also like, there's, there's a component of being free and enjoying and having fun and being social that I think is being lost sometimes on the wellness community.

[C]

100.

[A]

I do not want to go and sit in a sweaty sauna and cold plunge with nine of my bros all the time. Maybe once in a while. But there's other things that I want to do. So like people write in like, I can't believe you would talk about nicotine. And I'm like, if anyone has a good cigar recommendation, I will take, take it.

[B]

I, I do. I think that for us and we are often put in the wellness category. We are well, 80% of the time. But you better bet your ass the other 20. I'm having fun. I like to have fun.

[A]

I like people under the table.

[C]

I love it.

[B]

I like a shot of tequila.

[A]

I'm taking things and elements from what they're doing. Oh, that's a really good idea. Or I'd love to try that. Or yeah, like that's. Of course I wanted to get my sleep under control. Like all these things.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But I'm not beating myself up if I decide to go on vacation with my friends or go out for a night and have a glass of wine with my wife or smoke an occasional cigar. You know, like, I don't, I don't look at it as a failure. I look at it as like, okay, that's why you take care of yourself.

[B]

It's drugs and rock and roll. 20% of the time.

[C]

I think that wellness is not black and white and people love to bucket it as such. And I get a lot of flack for that because I get Botox. I take an ssri. Things that don't necessarily mesh with being a little bit more crunchy. And the other things that I love, it's okay to have a blend. You don't have to be married to being one way or the other. We are all allowed to pick what works for us.

[B]

You don't have to be anything. I think that's what makes people uncomfortable, is I'm blowing up the box. I'm lighting it on fire. I'm smashing it and throwing it away. I want to work with McDonald's so bad.

[A]

I used to work at McDonald's.

[B]

McDonald's. And I, you know what? McDonald's.

[A]

Here's the thing.

[B]

My manager told me, Lauren, they don't think you eat McDonald's. I love McDonald's.

[A]

I used to work at McDonald's. Employee of the Month 2004 Del Mar.

[B]

I don't buy it, guys. I'm learning a lot.

[A]

But no, but the point is, is I think the majority of people that we all speak to, the, the majority of viewers, listeners on your show, on this show, they want to adopt this 80, 20. They want to have fun sometimes. They also want to take care of themselves and their family. They want to avoid the things consistently that are. That they know are causing long term harm. But once in a while they. They're gonna go out and let it loose a little bit and they don't want to beat themselves up about it. And I think sometimes people that have shows like this that lean too far and, and are maybe too extreme with something, you can make people feel bad about themselves and you can make them feel like they're not doing enough and that they're not taken care of. And, you know, like, I just don't think that's realistic. So my message to the major. I think the majority of people is like, enjoy your life. Take care of yourself the majority of the time. Do the things you know you should be doing. Don't go over the rails. But once in a while, like enjoy a vice or two. It's not gonna, you know, so it's not the worst thing.

[C]

100.

[B]

Where are you at now? You obviously are pregnant. What does your life look like today? Tell us about your podcast. What? Where your energy is going today.

[C]

Okay, so my podcast is called the Wellness Process Podcast. It's on Dear Media, which was one of my big manifestations, as was this conversation. So thank you, guys. That's how this happened.

[B]

Remember, you have to tell them how this happened.

[C]

Okay, So I did a post at the end of last year, a reel I think it was on my Instagram he wellness process pod. And I was talking about all the things I was showing my mood board versus my reality. And there were so many things. It was like my wedding day. It was my engagement ring. And I was like, going on your podcast was on the mood board and you commented and you were like, let's make it happen.

[A]

That's cool.

[C]

That's how I died. When I saw that, I saw.

[B]

I got served your content. Like, it was on my for you page and I saw and I watched it and I thought, holy, she has to come on. And I had followed you and stuff, but it also got served to me.

[C]

That's wild.

[B]

Followed you? Yes, but then it got served. That's wild.

[A]

No, but we love stuff like that. I mean, there's like, love. There's a lot of people that we've admired along the way were same thing where like, we hope one day that we could be featured with them and then it happens. It's like, like, I never want to forget that feeling. Like, I think it's super important to. To continue to do that and to bring other people up. Right. Like, you have your own. You have your own incredible platform. But, like, we know firsthand what it's like to like, do that same thing with that same process or thought process.

[B]

So go on with where you're at today.

[C]

Okay. So doing the podcast, I do a lot of Instagram content around wellness things. I'm having a baby in the fall, which is definitely going to be my focus at that time. And I will just tease that. I'm simultaneously building something that actually I want to talk to you about afterwards, Lauren, because it's a problem that I know you've had, and it solves something that I've talked a lot about, and it's not Matcha.

[A]

Matcha.

[B]

It's not Matcha. Are you a Matcha person? Huge. What's the best matcha?

[C]

Well, I just left Japan last week, so it's really hard to say because I just got back to New York and everything tastes like trash. And I just had a really bad one at the Santa Monica proper this morning or the Austin proper.

[A]

Somebody said the other day that if it's Japanese, it's probably good. Like, if you're like, if you're a novice and you don't want to.

[C]

General rule of thumb, you want like a single origin from Japan.

[B]

My sister told me that when she was in Japan, there was a guy on the side of the road making Matcha and he was making a Marshmallow and stretching the marshmallow to put in the matcha. She said she is FUD for life after going there.

[C]

How do we get the marshmallow here?

[B]

I don't know, but she said it's not the same.

[C]

It messes you up big time.

[B]

Yeah. Okay, so there's no brand you're constantly

[A]

comparing to that over there.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, it's fantastic. It's so vibrant and green and delicious, and it just hits me so much better than coffee, huh? All right, Are you on the train or. No.

[B]

I love Chroma.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Chroma has this matcha powder that I'm obsessed with, and I really like it because, one, I'm an investor, but I invested because I'm such a fan.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It has protein in it.

[A]

Khalil at SunLife Organics does a good module.

[B]

He does do. Khalil.

[C]

That guy.

[B]

He does. He does a good model because he's,

[A]

like, fanatical about the source that he's organic.

[B]

I think he hiked the mountains in Peru.

[C]

He was definitely in there.

[A]

There you go, Khalil. Another free one for you.

[B]

But Chroma has a good one. You do two scoops. And I think it's like, 20 grams of protein with some raw milk. It's so good.

[C]

Because then you're also having, like, a simultaneous breakfast. Yeah, of sorts. Especially pre workout.

[B]

It's perfect. I like Matcha and I can't do coffee. I figured out after 12. Such a bummer.

[C]

Wait, what do you mean?

[B]

I just can't do it after 12?

[A]

No, because she slams, like, these espresso drinks or something.

[C]

Oh, afternoon. Yeah, I was, like, 12 weeks.

[B]

No, don't make me out to be, like, a coffee psycho. I have two.

[A]

No, I know, but the timing is too late. And so then she can't sleep and she's wondering why, and I said, it's just too late to consume it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you're sensitive to it.

[C]

I'll be interested when you start your journal speak. If the sleep improves, I'm gonna speak.

[B]

I think the best time for me is before bed.

[C]

There's more material.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I would do it first thing in the morning before you interact with me. Really get it out of the way. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Are you gonna do yours first?

[A]

I do mine. I do.

[B]

You do a journal?

[A]

Yeah, I do all the time.

[B]

I'll be snooping around your office to find it today.

[A]

See, that's fucked up.

[B]

Oh, I'm a snoop.

[A]

No, see, that's messed up, right? Because I would not read Your journal, I feel I would read. You should not do it. I feel like your husband knows not to read it.

[B]

You know, like, I am quite nosy.

[A]

Do you really want to see what's, like, bouncing around in my brain? I don't.

[C]

I don't, personally.

[B]

I want to see.

[A]

You got to get the demons out.

[B]

I'll be looking around. Where's the composition notebook? Or is it in the black one with the thing that's wrapped around?

[A]

Decoy journals that just compliment you and then have the real one that's no

[B]

little snoop never hurt a fly.

[A]

You don't do a little snoop. You do the whole she's so invasive, all my stuff snoop. Yeah, she's, like, deep in my text.

[B]

I like to take the cadaver, lay it on the table, and play operation.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[A]

No, she's, like, deep in there with, like, messages from, like. She's like, why you send this? I'm like, what? That's from, like, 2009. What are you doing in there? You got into my old Facebook messages from when I was in college.

[B]

I, I, I like to, like, remind him, like, who he married and, like, how on it I am and that I could be juggling a lot. But don't forget, I'm an octopus.

[C]

Options.

[B]

Yeah. You never know what you're gonna get.

[A]

So annoying.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Well, all right.

[B]

That's what it takes to be married to me. Elizabeth, where can everyone find you, follow you, support you, watch your pregnancy experience? Where can everyone see, say hi, all the things?

[C]

My podcast is called the Wellness Process Podcast. It's on Dear Media, so you can find it anywhere that podcasts exist. My Instagram is he Wellness Process pod or my personal account is Elizabeth Arrigo. My new name. I also am on substack, the Wellness Process, which I have been loving.

[B]

Everyone's loving substack.

[C]

Oh, it is so fun. I go so deep on there. It is such a safe space. I love it.

[A]

Is it safe just because of, like, it's curated to the people that are only there for you?

[C]

You don't get, like, barriers to entry help. I mean, listen, the Internet can only be so safe, but it just feels like a more supportive community because it's more effortful to get there and to read.

[B]

Love substack. But I can tell when someone's writing it on AI.

[C]

I gotta call it out. I'm so sick of the chat GPT. It's so obvious. And it's not just the double line dashes, because I just use those in general. It's the style. It's the two sentences and then another line down and it's like there is

[B]

a rhythm and a. And a stucco that's like that on that and it's I. You can smell it.

[A]

So you know how I think about AI and I could be completely wrong about this and somebody will maybe play it in the future. You know, in the early days of Facebook advertising, when you would see like Dr. Oz on there and you're like, oh my God, it's Dr. Oz talking about a supplement. And it turned out it was not. And it was total bullshit and it was like a total fake landing page with like some Whatever.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

I feel like that's where we're at with AI right now, where people are like, still confused, like, is it AI or not? But I think humans over time will get so, so good at spotting when it is versus when it's not. And that we are going to crave more of when it's not, not more of when it is. Is. That makes sense.

[C]

We're getting attuned to it.

[A]

Yeah. And like, you'll start to see, like, you'll in like you now, like, I'm noticing running the company, like, I can tell if someone's doing a ChatGPT email to me. I can tell if it's a ChatGPT or, or Claude response. And so what I think over time we will be so in tune to when it is AI versus when it's human and people are gonna crave the human more.

[C]

It's like the new version of like facetune. Remember back in the day when we were all just face tuning out of everything and then we all got an eye for it and we were like, oh, I can see right through that.

[B]

Or like face app. When everyone was doing, everyone had a

[C]

new face, a new teeth, or, you

[A]

know now even when you see like an AI, like you can tell much faster now, even if it's getting better, like, the assets are getting better, but there's something that we just inherently recognize is not human. And I think that maybe I'm wrong. Maybe someone will play this and like, no, you're completely wrong. It's going to get so good. But I.

[B]

All your friends fucking robots in a couple years.

[A]

But even then, like, when you're fudgeing a robot, you're also aware that you're fucking a robot and you have to really look deep in your. Like, you're like, it's going to be hard to. You're going to realize that what you're going to. You're going to, like. I am going to be aware that I'm doing that behavior.

[B]

Oh, you're going to fuck a robot.

[A]

I'll probably try it. If it's not considered.

[B]

You're going to try it.

[A]

I'm just kidding.

[B]

I won't. I consider that cheating, but. So everyone gets that on film. I consider fudgeing robots cheating.

[A]

I think that. Okay, you know, like. Like, we have instincts and animal instincts because we're animals. And there's something about a knowing energy when you can tell if something is manufactured versus when it's not, of course. And I think that that is never going to go away.

[B]

Elizabeth came on here to share her story, and you're talking about robots at the end. Sorry about that.

[A]

You're talking about it. You asked if I would do it, and I said, well, I just got to make. I got to try things out. Like, Lord, I can't.

[B]

No.

[A]

Not experience the world.

[C]

Conversation with range.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Elizabeth, thanks for coming on the show. Definitely. Come on again after you become a mom. I would love that, because I think you're gonna have so many tips and tricks and takeaways for the audience.

[C]

100. Thank you guys so much for having me.