How To Reduce Stress, Regulate Your Nervous System, Break Your Phone Addiction, & Find Inner Peace Ft. Jesse Israel

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Bossticks — How To Reduce Stress, Regulate Your Nervous System, Break Your Phone Addiction, & Find Inner Peace Ft. Jesse Israel

Date: May 28, 2026
Hosts: Lauryn Bosstick & Michael Bosstick
Guest: Jesse Israel (Founder, The Big Quiet)

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Overview

This episode explores strategies to reduce stress, regulate the nervous system, overcome phone addiction, and cultivate inner peace—particularly amid the relentless noise and stimulation of today’s digital world. Jesse Israel, renowned for orchestrating mass meditations and his work with major figures like Oprah Winfrey, joins Lauryn and Michael to share practical tools for nervous system health, the importance of solitude and community, and his transformative journey from the frenetic music industry to mass meditation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Navigating Modern 'Noise' and Finding Peace

• Jesse Israel says the path to peace involves "making space, stillness practices, the importance of solitude, and how to change our relationships to our phones," coupled with "deepening in community...[and] having real meaning attached to what we do" ([01:15]).

2. Phone Addiction & Digital Boundaries

• The Science: The first 30–60 minutes after waking are "neurobiologically sensitive," deeply influencing mood and stress response ([04:05]).
• Practical Steps:
  • Delayed Morning Phone Use: Jesse waits 30+ minutes post-wake before touching his phone. “If the first thing that we do...is check the phone...it’s scattering the nervous system...it really impacts everything we do for the rest of the day” ([04:05–05:09]).
  • App Controls: Jesse recommends the Opal app to set 'office hours' for social apps, noting, “You have to just sit there and watch” a countdown if you want to override limits—making phone use intentional, not mindless ([02:02–03:49]).
  • Physical Distance: Hosts talk about leaving phones in another room overnight; “When the phone is not in the bedroom, it makes the bedroom a place for bedroom things...for resting, for intimacy” ([06:34–06:51]).

Quote:
"Our phones are so smart and the apps are so good at keeping us hooked...I really recommend we pay for technology that helps." – Jesse Israel ([02:02])

3. Starting and Sustaining Meditation

• Guidance Over Willpower: Jesse stresses the importance of learning meditation from a teacher or via an app for better results. “Just five minutes is proven to significantly help our mental health and our performance” ([06:58–07:20]).
• App Recommendations: Besides The Way, he endorses Nucalm, a non-guided vibroacoustic tool that “shifts your body and mind into a theta state...so it’s great for ADHD minds, people whose brains are extra racy” ([07:51–08:21]).

4. Jesse’s Personal Journey: From Music Exec to Meditation Leader

• Music Industry Burnout: Jesse recounts launching a record label with MGMT and being overwhelmed by “literal noise” and industry pressures, leading to panic attacks and anxiety ([09:27–14:54]).
• Meditation as Salvation: Introduced by his father, meditation provided calm in chaos—eventually inspiring mass meditations at festivals.
• Founding The Big Quiet: What started as small backstage gatherings evolved to multi-thousand-person silent events, even on stages with Oprah.

Memorable Story:
Jesse’s first ‘solo retreat': Eight days in a remote cabin, ending with the surreal rescue of a lost, elderly neighbor—an experience he says left him resilient and creatively energized ([27:01–31:55]).

Quote:
"It was really hard for me...I was so burnt out and so fried, I could barely handle a phone call. By the end I was unfazed by this experience..." – Jesse Israel ([31:09])

5. Solo Retreats & Solitude

• Powerful Reset: Jesse prescribes even brief (48-hour) solo getaways without tech—just a journal, a book, food. “The first 24 hours are really tough...Then things start to surface...On the other side is creativity and self-love” ([24:30–26:30]).
• Results: Greater access to creativity, a feeling of inner wholeness, and increased emotional resilience carry over after returning home ([33:52]).

Instructions to Try It:

• Jesse suggests using a 'burner' or flip phone for emergencies, and to expect discomfort at first as “all the things we haven’t looked at will surface.”

6. Society’s Fear of Quiet

• Facing Inner Noise: Many resist silence because “stuff comes up that can feel really scary and uncomfortable...we believe that feeling uncomfortable emotions is wrong or bad” ([21:54]).
• **Extended quiet is often more profound than talk therapy for surfacing and processing emotions ([23:05]).

7. Solitude Deprivation

• Referencing Cal Newport's work, Jesse discusses how we're "deprived of being ourselves" in a world of constant digital connection—“We really miss out on what becomes available...when we’re by ourselves” ([35:14]).

8. The Next 'Phone Rehab' Generation

• Jesse predicts a rise in "rehab for the phone," seeing a surge in interest for flip phones, especially among parents and Gen Z ([37:21–37:38]).

9. Working with Oprah Winfrey

• Jesse details how leading The Big Quiet gained the attention of Oprah's team, leading to guiding meditations for arenas of 15,000+ ([38:08–39:51]).
• Oprah’s standout leadership: "She spent three hours inviting up the key people of her team one by one...thanking them and recognizing them for their greatest gifts...It’s genuine" ([49:06–50:24]).

10. Nervous System Healing: Three Actionable Tips ([50:46])

1. Feel Your Feelings: Allow uncomfortable emotions like anger to be expressed healthily. “Feeling uncomfortable emotions is...the greatest gateway to their power."
2. Move Energy Physically: Jesse describes “anger release” practices (twisting a towel while yelling) for safe emotional discharge ([58:11]).
3. Leverage Touch Therapy: Craniosacral therapy is discussed as a gentle, somatic way to process and release stored emotional tension ([54:48–56:34]).

11. Community, Vulnerability, and Relationships

• Jesse cites research showing that "the single greatest predictor of mental health, physical health, and longevity...is the quality of relationships with the three to five people that you're closest with" ([59:58–61:36]).
• Key takeaway: Connection and vulnerability with our closest circle is as vital as self-care.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On technology boundaries:
  “It breaks the muscle memory of constantly checking [social apps].” – Jesse Israel ([03:31])

• On morning routines:
  “Thirty minutes minimum every day once I wake up before I check the phone—game changer.” – Jesse Israel ([03:55])

• On creativity and silence:
  “There’s another piece to creativity that is beyond us and it channels through us. I really believe that.” – Jesse Israel ([32:04])

• On leadership:
  “Oprah can see people in their zone of genius...that’s what’s allowed her to keep that team, to have the reach and impact that she has.” – Jesse Israel ([49:06–50:24])

• On emotional expression:
  “Emotion is essentially energy that gets trapped in ourselves. When we feel it, it leaves ourselves.” – Jesse Israel ([50:55])

• On relationships:
  “The quality of the relationship with the three to five people that you’re closest with is the single greatest determinator of your health, mental health, longevity.” – Jesse Israel ([59:58–61:36])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:15] — Jesse on modern noise and peace
• [02:02–05:09] — Breaking phone addiction and healthy phone habits
• [06:34–06:51] — Bedrooms: No phones, more rest and intimacy
• [06:58–08:21] — Getting started with meditation (+ app recs)
• [09:27–16:46] — Jesse’s journey: Panic attacks, music industry, meditation shift
• [21:54–26:30] — Why quiet is uncomfortable & solo retreats
• [31:09–32:28] — The profound outcomes of deep solitude
• [35:14] — Solitude deprivation & the need for boredom
• [37:21–37:38] — The future: Phone ‘rehab’ and generational shifts
• [38:08–39:51] — Working with Oprah and mass meditations
• [49:06–50:24] — Oprah’s unique approach to leadership
• [50:46] — Three ways to heal the nervous system
• [59:58–61:36] — Importance of relationships and real connection

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Actionable Takeaways

• Delay morning phone use: Wait at least 30 minutes after waking before checking your phone.
• Use technology mindfully: Set boundaries with apps via tools like Opal.
• Try short, guided meditations as a manageable daily habit.
• Schedule 'tech-free' retreats: Even a 24–48 hour solo break from devices can reset your system.
• Explore somatic therapies like craniosacral work for emotional release.
• Prioritize true connections: Invest in your closest relationships for better health and longevity.
• Practice regular emotion release: Don’t suppress; use safe outlets for anger or sadness.

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Closing Reflection

The episode blends honest storytelling, science-backed insights, and on-the-ground tips for reclaiming inner calm and creativity in a hyperconnected era. Through Jesse Israel’s personal transformation and hands-on guidance, listeners are encouraged to experiment with small shifts—whether that’s carving out quiet, connecting intentionally, or feeling their full range of emotions on the path to resilience.

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Find Jesse Israel:

• Instagram: @jesseisrael
• Website: JesseIsrael.com
• The Big Quiet: thebigquiet.com

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Transcript

[Michael Bostic]

Welcome to the Bostics, starring Lauren Bostic and Michael Bostic. Together they are the Bostics.

[Lauren Bostic]

How to heal your nervous system, break phone addiction, and find inner peace. This episode is like teaching you all the things that you need to do to regulate your nervous system. I was very inspired. Okay. Jesse Israel, he is a renowned keynote speaker, entrepreneur, and founder of the Big Quiet. He's known, I'm sure you guys have seen him on social media. He leads some of the largest mass meditations in the world. He actually also leads meditations for sold out arenas with Oprah Winfrey. So no big deal. He knows his stuff. Okay. I have said that the nervous system is going to be all the rage for 2026. And here we are. People are ready to get their nervous system regulated. So if you're someone who runs hot, anxious, depressed, tired, whatever, this episode is for you. Jesse, welcome to the show.

Jesse, how do people find peace and silence? The noise in 2026? There's a lot of noise.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of different ways to explore it. You know, when it comes to quieting noise today, there's a handful of kind of like key buckets that I like to speak about and teach. And it's everything from like what you'd expect around making space, stillness practices, the importance of solitude, how to change our relationships to our phones. We can dive into all that stuff, but it's also like deepening in community. You know, it's having a sense of belonging, it's human connection. That's the best way to quiet the noise in the head, right. Is to be with other people, to be of service. One of the best ways to cut through the noise that comes at us today is to have real meaning attached to what we do and why we do it.

[Lauren Bostic]

How do people manage their phone? This is a great subject right now.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah. It's so real. It's actually one of the things that I see people are most excited about being permission to change the way they do things because we're not really taught how to use our devices, especially like for our generation. We grew up with these things being handed to us and it was like, figure it out. So we have never really learned healthy habits and boundaries for our devices. So our phones are so smart and the apps are so good at keeping us hooked right now that I really recommend that we pay for technology that helps. I love this app called Opal. Have you guys heard of it? Opal. Opal. Yeah, it's amazing. I'm actually not affiliated with them, but I'M huge advocate. Essentially what it does is it lets you set up office hours for any apps. But I use it especially for Instagram, like that Instagram is the one that gets me most hooked, that I'll check when I'm like at a red light in my car really quick, you know, like that quick hit. And it's also the one that affects my mood most. So with Opal, I've set up office hours on it. So I can only check Instagram from 5pm to 8pm so if I'm trying to get in there any other time of the day, it blocks me out. And if I really need to get in there for something, you watch a 60 second countdown and you have to just, you can't like change out of the apps. You have to just sit there and watch so you can get in if you need to.

[Michael Bostic]

So like, if you needed to accept, like if the team put up a video for this, for this show and we need to accept a collab, you could do it. But the only way is to sit there, go through this so you can get the work that you need to get done, but then you get, then you get out.

[Jesse Israel]

Exactly. It breaks the. And it only gives you like five to 10 minutes when you're in there. So it breaks the muscle memory of constantly checking.

[Michael Bostic]

That's interesting. So then what it does is it takes away like that quick dopamine hit because you don't. Nobody wants to sit there and wait. But if you have an intention around why you have to get in there, it basically says it creates an avenue for you to do that.

[Jesse Israel]

It makes it more intentional for you to be in there.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, I'm going to get that.

[Lauren Bostic]

Do you really wake up in the morning and check your phone?

[Jesse Israel]

30 minutes minimum every day, once I wake up before I check the phone. Game changer. And it's actually so important.

[Lauren Bostic]

30 minutes. Meditation.

[Jesse Israel]

No, no, it's an I do meditation. But it doesn't have to be. Okay, it can be anything for those 30 minutes. But what we know and the science shows the first 30 to 60 minutes of the day, upon waking, our brains are in this. It's a neurobiologically sensitive state. So what this means is whatever we expose our brains to in those first 30 to 60 minutes of the day significantly impacts our stress response, our ability to focus our mood for the whole day. So if the first thing that we do in that neurobiologically sensitive window is, is check the phone, email, updates, headlines, social media, all the shit, the first thing that we're doing is getting that influx of information. It's scattering the nervous system, it's shifting our focus around. And when we start our day on that foot, it really impacts everything we do for the rest of the day. So if we can get that 30 minute window to just be like pretending that you're asleep with the kids, eating breakfast and like actually paying attention to what you're eating, you know, being present with your family, getting sun, whatever it might be, going for a walk, just chilling, it significantly impacts the rest of what we do.

[Lauren Bostic]

When you stop checking your phone in the morning and then you go back to maybe checking it when you're on vacation, it's jarring because it's like you've trained yourself not to check it. I notice I've been really thoughtful about the morning, especially like, I don't want to be on my phone. In fact, I find it like, almost like disgusting. I don't want to be on it.

[Jesse Israel]

So you do this. You practice this.

[Lauren Bostic]

I try not to touch my phone till 10 now when I go on vacation, sometimes you'll like pick it up in the morning. It is a significant difference.

[Jesse Israel]

You notice it.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, right now we're living out of the hotel with the kids and we're here and we're working. And so like, the pace is a little different than when we're at home when you have a routine. And so, yeah, like, nor like lately because I had this problem for a long time and I've been beat up on the show for it. I would check it and now I've been putting it in my office and I literally like, we're in our house. Like, you can't get to my office without going upstairs. And so I like, the phone is all the way there and I go downstairs in the morning. So I'm like, okay, so it's. I kind of like do a hike before I can get to it. But now to Lauren's point, we're in this hotel and we're working and it's like right there because it's charging in a different place. And I caught myself today and I'm like, oh my God, you're right on your back foot.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah, yeah. When you break out of those habits, it makes it more challenging.

[Lauren Bostic]

I also, this is like a random tangent, but I also have been reading a lot of studies about even plugging your phone in next to your head that there's, it's so bad for you. Like, the phone should be apparently in another room on airplane mode, no wifi away. When you're sleeping.

[Jesse Israel]

Ideally. No WI fi, no Bluetooth.

[Lauren Bostic]

Yeah.

[Jesse Israel]

And at least in the bathroom or away from the bed. And you know, and it's not just great for stress, like when. When the phone is not in the bedroom. It makes the bedroom a place for bedroom things.

[Lauren Bostic]

Yes. It's more sexy.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah. For resting. For intimacy. It's really important.

[Lauren Bostic]

If someone wants to start a meditation practice tomorrow and they don't want to feel overwhelmed, where would you tell them to start?

[Jesse Israel]

I always suggest that people actually learn meditation and not just like close their eyes and try to not think. It's incredibly discouraging if you do it without guidance. So if you can't access a teacher, there are a bunch of apps that you can start with that will kick you off with just five minutes of practice. Just five minutes is proven to significantly help our mental health and our performance.

[Michael Bostic]

We invested in an app called the Way. Have you ever heard of it? It's a meditation app. You should check it out. It's basically, it's guided meditation from a teacher and they have. They have different ways you can use it. Tim Ferriss has been really vocal about it lately, but for me, it's helped a lot because I used to try to just white knuckle it and it was super frustrating. I think some people, yeah, you just naturally are able to jump into it, but for me, it's a harder thing to do. So with that, it teaches you how to get into it.

[Jesse Israel]

That's an ideal way to kick off the Way. Sounds great. I also love recommending one called nucalm. N U C A L M. And what's great about it is there isn't any guidance. You actually just put on headphones, ideally, wear an eye mask. You can lay down. You can set up where you lay down. And it uses vibroacoustics and frequency. So just by listening, it shifts your body and mind into a theta state. It's like a deep, restful, healing state. So it's great for, like ADHD minds, people whose brains are extra racy and it really works.

[Lauren Bostic]

That sounds like the Shift wave.

The chair.

[Jesse Israel]

Oh, the chair. Yeah. Yeah.

[Lauren Bostic]

Oh, my God.

[Jesse Israel]

Except there. Yeah. There isn't a physical component to it, but yeah. I haven't tried the Shift wave. I heard it's great. You like it? Do you have one?

[Lauren Bostic]

Love it.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah.

[Lauren Bostic]

You would love it. Shiftwave needs to send you a chair immediately. It is.

[Jesse Israel]

There's a plug.

[Lauren Bostic]

Amazing. It truly shifts the state of your body. So sure, you're in a meditation. What I do is I turn down their meditation. I put on the meditation I want on my phone. And then I turn up the vibrating aspect of it. And it truly takes your body into it, like a totally different state. It's wild.

[Jesse Israel]

Sounds amazing.

[Lauren Bostic]

It's amazing.

[Michael Bostic]

She doesn't let me use it yet. I don't know.

[Lauren Bostic]

I have gatekeeper, by the way. My kids use it. My kids are drawn to it. They'll come sit on it because it feels so.

[Jesse Israel]

It must feel so good.

[Lauren Bostic]

It feels so good.

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It's supposed to help with your hrv, right?

[Lauren Bostic]

I don't know.

[Jesse Israel]

It makes sense.

[Lauren Bostic]

I just know when I sit down, from when I get up, it's like a totally different vibe. Completely. Shift Wave. We love you. Send Jesse a chair.

[Michael Bostic]

Let's go back with you a little bit. How did you get interested in this space to begin with? Were you always into meditation?

[Jesse Israel]

No. So I started a record label when I was a sophomore. I was at nyu. My roommate and I learned about a band called mgmt. You know those guys? They were making music for fun at Wesleyan College. They were a year above us. I was 20. Mgmt, they were 21. And they made this song, Kids, for a class assignment.

[Lauren Bostic]

Love that song.

[Jesse Israel]

Great song.

[Lauren Bostic]

Yeah.

[Jesse Israel]

The class assignment was to. Was to make a pop song. And these guys weren't in a serious band. They actually weren't even planning to be a band. They just made this song for fun. And it was such a hit on campus. They'd play it at, like, frat parties five, six, seven, eight times in a row. And people would go nuts. This little teeny college. So we had heard about these guys in the song, and we formed a little dorm room record label to release Kids. And to get them in the studio, we snuck them into a studio that our friend was interning at in midtown Manhattan. We made the Time to Pretend ep. The song Time to Pretend is on there. Kids is on there. They recorded Electric Feel, some of these early hits.

[Lauren Bostic]

I love Electric Feel.

[Jesse Israel]

And a lot of these songs exactly.

[Lauren Bostic]

Like the whole album I listened to when I was 21.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah, right.

[Lauren Bostic]

Yeah.

[Jesse Israel]

It was such an era. It was such a moment in time. But they recorded these songs, a lot of them, just on the spot. It was like they were just channeling. Shit was just coming through. It was pretty cool to witness. But anyways, we didn't know what the hell we were doing. And it took us about three years before we kind of figured out how to help them pop. And we supported them in an upstream deal to Columbia. They had a big major label and they just exploded. And all of a sudden I was, I just graduated from NYU. I was like 22, 23. I'd been running a full time business. I was student putting a lot of energy being a student. And our label was taking off and we were going to a lot of festivals and you know, going parties and a lot of big intense events and it was really fun. But I'm a sensitive guy. It was too much for my system and I didn't really understand what was happening. I later learned I was having panic attacks and I was having pretty debilitating anxiety. So I needed a tool to help me navigate literal. The literal noise that was coming at me in the music industry. Plus all the pressure demand I felt was placed on me as a founder. And I know you guys understand this, so my dad introduced me to meditation. He thought it would be something that would help me really with my, with quieting the internal pain and kind of challenges I was experiencing. And it was so helpful and it became this really meaningful part of my life. So when I'd be at music festivals, I'd be backstage and I would invite other music managers, executives, sometimes musicians before they'd go on headline, you know, major festival. It'd come in and we'd have a little moment of quiet together. So we'd be off to the side in quiet at a place like coachella, when there's 10 stages blasting music and like 200,000 people on shrooms, like going nuts. And there was something really powerful about creating quiet in the face of all this noise. And I started to get these little downloads. It was like I would get these visions. It was like the whole festival being quiet. And what would that feel like?

[Michael Bostic]

Where do you think the panic attacks came from?

[Jesse Israel]

I think that the panic attacks came from a handful of things. I mean one, I think some of it is genetic. Like there's a thread of anxiety in my family. I think part of it was also, I mean, I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was in high school. People have like varying opinions on that diagnosis. But I do think that my brain works differently in that like I have a lot of energy and it will go towards different things. And it's easy for my brain to get overwhelmed. And I think that intensity in the system can lead to things like panic attacks and yeah, just more intense emotion. And I think it was the overwhelm that I was experiencing.

[Lauren Bostic]

There's a lot of comparison. I also think that when you're around all those fake lights and it's nighttime and you're in Coachella, and there's all these different strobes and colors and fake lights, and then there's all these different sounds that have different frequencies as, you know, and different vibrations. And then you're experiencing all these people's different energies.

[Jesse Israel]

Right.

[Lauren Bostic]

And some. Maybe you don't want in. And then you have people who are on a different frequency on drugs and some on hardcore drugs like meth or coke or whatever. That probably made it even worse. It was like all these, like, fake. Like, almost like Disneyland.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah.

[Lauren Bostic]

But on crack. You know what I mean? You can really feel like there's all these. When you.

[Michael Bostic]

When you're going through Coachella, are hitting meth.

[Lauren Bostic]

I'm just saying, like, if. If you're already feeling bad and then you go to this artificial light and art and all this music and all this energy and all these people and all these drugs, it's gonna make it worse.

[Michael Bostic]

No. Well, I mean, I think, like, in the entertainment industry, there's. It's. There's a lot of things that come at you fast. Right. And there's a lot of. I think there's a lot of experiences that are not, like, so natural. I don't know how to explain it other than, like, you're. There's a lot of performance involved. There's a lot of energy involved. There's a lot of pressure on that performance and that energy. There's a lot of. There's a lot of attention, sometimes warranted, sometimes unwarranted. And I think if you're not somebody who's mature enough to like to handle a lot of that, it can become extremely overwhelming.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a great point, especially because I was so young going into the industry.

[Lauren Bostic]

Yeah.

[Jesse Israel]

And a lot of it, too, was. I modeled what I thought success looked like based on older peers in the music industry. And a lot of that wasn't, I think, the healthiest way to live or to build a business. So a lot of it for me was comparison chasing and doing that based off of something that ultimately wasn't really who I am, who I was. But I had to learn that the wrong way.

[Michael Bostic]

And at what point did you guys start to see success when you're in school? Because when I look back on my college days, we were kind of just me and my friends floundering around. We're partying, but we didn't have. It was just a normal college experience. We didn't have any kind of success or financial success until years later and after. I can only imagine if Somebody gave me those kind of resources at that time, things would have got off the rail real quick. So how were you able to manage that at that age?

[Jesse Israel]

At that age, it actually, it wasn't super lucrative at that point. It was more. So there was a lot of attention and a lot of hype. So it's more like access to great events and, you know, hanging out with really interesting.

[Michael Bostic]

This one was more dangerous though.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah, it can be. But again, it was all of these things, and I'm grateful for it, that pushed me into finding these practices that were ultimately really healing and helpful for me and would go to lead to me leaving the music industry and starting the big quiet. Because I found myself in this position where more and more people wanted to join these group meditations. And we went from doing them backstage to my buddy's office space in downtown Manhattan to eventually getting invited to lead them on main stages at major music festivals. And then before I knew it, I had this new business and through the big quiet, we were gathering thousands of people to get quiet together. So it was all meant to be and I needed to have those challenging experiences to find this thing that led to this new project and allowed me to ultimately bring meditation to millions of people.

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Why do you think so many people don't want to get quiet? Why do you think that it feels so overwhelming?

[Jesse Israel]

I think for a lot of people, getting quiet and just sitting with ourselves means stuff coming up that can feel really scary and uncomfortable. I think for a lot of people we believe that feeling uncomfortable emotions is wrong or bad. So we'll do whatever we can to constantly distract and keep ourselves from feeling discomfort. And what I've learned in my, in the more recent years of my life is that when we can allow ourselves to feel and be with whatever's going on down there, especially the stuff that's uncomfortable, if we can be with it, feel it, let it come up, let it come out on the other side of it, we are in our power. We feel clear, we're more aligned with purpose, we're able to, you know, really bring our true selves to what we're here to do. So we have to feel this stuff. But I think a lot of us don't want to. For a lot of people, there's really uncomfortable shit that comes up when we're quiet, so we distract.

[Lauren Bostic]

I think you almost like. For me, I. I would rather be quiet for an hour than talk to a therapist. I think more can come up, like you just said, in a more powerful way, without having someone facilitate it.

[Jesse Israel]

I agree with that. I'm a really, really big. A proponent of. Of extended periods of. Of no interaction with devices or other people. I know it's extra hard for you guys with the three kids and the two. Two dogs, but I've sent hundreds of people on these trips where you go away for a weekend, you rent an Airbnb, you go by yourself, you keep your phone off for the whole time. No laptop, all you have with you is your food that you're going to cook, a book, a journal, and that's it for anywhere from two days to like a week.

[Lauren Bostic]

Sounds amazing. It's.

[Jesse Israel]

No, it's actually, I believe, one of the most powerful things we can do for ourselves in the world today.

[Michael Bostic]

You could maybe get one of those, like, for people with kids I was thinking about, because I think that would be really interesting for either of us to try, even for a weekend or even for a day, to be honest. And you could get one of those, like, kind of burner phones that, you know, in a real emergency if you needed to do that, but then you don't. But you don't have the screen or the phone or the ability for social. Just like, if people with kids want to try something like that, that's what I do.

[Jesse Israel]

I have a flip phone and only my mom has the number or when I was in my relationship previously, my ex had the number, but besides that, that's it. So you have the way to get the emergency contact if necessary. But. And I've. And I have supported a lot of. Of people in relationships. People with kids going on a trip like this obviously involves a lot of coordination, but they come back changed.

[Michael Bostic]

And what are the. And how. So, like, what are the things, the

[Jesse Israel]

common things you see when we make space to be with ourselves without any distractions for a minimum of 48 hours? What I see consistently is this. The first 24 hours are really tough. It's like a junkie without our substance, right? We're like, we, like, we want to check the phone. We want to know what's going on. Like, all the things it comes up and it's really uncomfortable. And then when that passes, what I often see is things that we have pushed down and we haven't looked at will surface like something from an old relationship. Or an argument that happened in business with, you know, an ex business partner. You know, things that maybe we haven't even touched on a couple years, this stuff starts to come up to the surface and it can be really uncomfortable. And what I always encourage people to do is just be with it. Don't try to fix it. Just. Just let it emerge and it passes. Whatever the uncomfortable emotion or sensation is, it passes. And I always see this on the other side is this deep creativity and access to self love. It's really interesting. So the best ideas I see will hit people in those moments. Once the junkie period has passed, the tough emotions have passed. All of a sudden it's like they're channeling. Something's moving through them from a creative standpoint. And then most people, when they get back from a trip like this, they love themselves again. They're able to come back to this place of appreciation for themselves. And I'd say inner wholeness. Like, we are so reliant on external stuff to make us feel good and whole in the world. And it's such a trap. Because when those external things, if they're relationships, if they're business, if they're our kids, our families, our romantic partners, if something changes with those things, it impacts how we feel about ourselves. Our mood shift, our happiness transforms. But if we're able to find that within ourselves, if we can feel whole just for the person that we are and for the relationship that we have with the greater power, we become really unstoppable. And I think that these. These trips without distraction really bring us back to that place.

[Lauren Bostic]

I want to do that, but I want to live by candlelight.

[Jesse Israel]

Even better.

[Lauren Bostic]

I don't want the electricity because we did this experiment with Ryan from Test My Home, where he turned off all of our electricity in the house. And your nervous system immediately relaxes.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah.

[Lauren Bostic]

It's so weird when, like, the electric. Everything just goes down.

[Jesse Israel]

No. Wi Fi.

[Lauren Bostic]

The. Yeah. I want to be by, like candlelight.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah.

[Lauren Bostic]

That's. That's what I.

[Jesse Israel]

Ultimate way to do that.

[Lauren Bostic]

But then I feel like when I get scared by myself.

[Jesse Israel]

I've had. I've had. I've had some.

[Lauren Bostic]

I don't know.

[Jesse Israel]

I've had some. I've had some wild. I was on. Do I have time for a short story?

[Lauren Bostic]

Yeah.

[Jesse Israel]

The first time I did a solo trip like this, I decided that I would go big for it. I did eight days. Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Whoa.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Just nothing. Just journal, flip flop, eight days.

[Jesse Israel]

Books. Yeah. All my food.

[Michael Bostic]

To clarify, there's no, like, TV or Netflix? No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Lauren Bostic]

Don't sneak it in.

[Michael Bostic]

I'm not.

[Lauren Bostic]

There's no porn, Taylor. There's no porn hunt.

[Michael Bostic]

Nothing. No digital devices.

[Jesse Israel]

No digital devices. No connection to WI Fi. You get a couple books, you get your journal, you bring your food. And a lot of what you're doing is going on walks throughout the day, resting, taking baths. Like you just let your body downshift. It was really hard for me. I did this when I was. I did this when I was 30. I'm 41 now, and I just started the big quiet. I didn't really know what I was doing or where it was going. But I went into this, into this week. I rented a cabin in Julian, California, a couple hours away from here in la.

[Michael Bostic]

Pretty up there.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah. I went into that trip so burnt out and so fried, I could, like, barely handle, you know, a phone call. So I go into this trip and it's tough at first, and then I'm, like, in bliss for the second half of the trip. It was incredible. And it was the last night of the trip and I was feeling so great. I'm making my final meal. I remember I was cooking rice and I turn off the water. And because it's so quiet, I mean, I'm experiencing essentially, you know, eight days of. Of only nature sound. And I rented this cabin where you couldn't see anybody nearby. There were other cabins, but they were pretty far away. But anyways, I'm making my right, so I turn off the water, and in this moment of complete silence, I hear this sound. It's like, help me. I'm like, what the. Sounds like a ghost. And I freeze. I'm terrified. I haven't seen a person in eight days. And I listen in and it gets stronger. It's the sound of what sounds like an old woman going, help me.

[Lauren Bostic]

Ugh. Can't you get a minute alone? I would be like, this is so. Curb your enthusiasm.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah.

[Lauren Bostic]

Right in the fucking middle of the woods.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah. And then an old ghost visits you.

[Michael Bostic]

A bear was eating an old woman in the woods.

[Jesse Israel]

I put my head up against the glass window in the kitchen and I look outside. It's very dark outside, so you can't really see anything. And in the little, like, there's like, a little, like, breakfast table out in the garden with a couple, like, you know, gardeny breakfast table chairs. And I see the outline of an old woman in a nightie, kind of hunched over.

[Michael Bostic]

Was it a real woman or you just. Or you're hallucinating?

[Jesse Israel]

I don't know if I'm hallucinating or if this is a real thing that I'm witnessing. And I'm pretty terrified. And I call the owner of the cabin on a landline because there's no service there. I don't even know where my cell phone is. And the owner of the cabin says, we think that this might be Jane. She's a. She's a neighbor in one of the faraway cabins. And sometimes she gets out and gets confused. And he said, call for her. So I go, jane? She goes, yes, help me. So he says, it's safe. You can let her in. And I'm like, bro, are you sure? He's like, she's okay. So I open the door, I let her in. I'm terrified. I'm, like, shaking. She comes into my cabin, and this big dog's with her. And I sit her down. She's injured. I think she had fallen. Her elbow was a little bloody. They told me to call the local police department to help her out. So I'm trying to make sense of all this. I've called the police in about five minutes. The entire town's fire department, ambulance, police. There's probably, like, 30. 30 of these individuals are here in the cabin with me. The dog that was with her, I guess, was like a dangerous animal. So they make me keep it in my bedroom. They all leave. They take her, but they can't take the dog because they need animal control. So I wound up having the last night of my trip with this kind of rabid dog in the bedroom. I slept on the couch. But the moral of the story is, I went into that trip. I couldn't show up on a phone call. I was so fried. By the end of the trip, I was unfazed by this experience. It was like I had 30 people in the cabin with me. It was a really chaotic scene, and I was just like, let's go. And when I came back from that trip, my business just exploded. I was just, like, so ready to go. And I really point to that trip, including that unique moment, as really necessary to give me the fuel to then ultimately build the big quiet. It's funny, on that trip, I was reading the biography of Oprah, and I had this feeling that I was going to work with her. I also was getting these visions of guiding meditations and arenas. All things that would go on to happen years later, that came to me in that space.

[Michael Bostic]

Do you think it's just because you're able to finally think clearly and create a vision for yourself in that moment, or because you're able to block out all the noise and just really, like, contemplate what you really want out of life.

[Jesse Israel]

Partly that, but I think that there's another piece to creativity that is beyond us and it channels through us. I really believe that. And I really felt that with a lot of what we built, with the big quiet, it was like something was moving through me that wasn't necessarily my idea or my creation, but came through me, and I was like the vessel to bring it into the world. And I think a lot of our best ideas move through us through some type of a greater power.

[Lauren Bostic]

I have this other theory with this, though, too. I think we are all at capacity. I think we are. Our thermometer is about to burst. All of us. I think we are inundated with content. If we have kids, the kids want to watch the tv. It's. It's. It's on and on and on. There's so many things to do. You never stop. It's a hamster wheel. You should be posting 24 7, et cetera, et cetera. So we're all at capacity, which gives us no space to be creative.

[Michael Bostic]

We've also just lost the ability to sit and be bored.

[Lauren Bostic]

But then when you go away and you take all those things away, you're able to have more capacity and have. Do I know this? Because you tell me by the end of the trip, you're dealing with 30 people in your house. If you told me right now that I have to go back to that hotel and there was 30 people in there with a dog in the other room, I would. I would be like, I. I don't have the capacity. I don't have the capacity right now with. With everything that's going on in.

[Michael Bostic]

My woman shows up at a picnic table in the middle of the night in Texas, I might blow her away.

[Lauren Bostic]

But it's just like you don't have any. Almost patience for any outside inconvenience because

[Jesse Israel]

you don't have room for it.

[Lauren Bostic]

You don't have room for it. And so I think when you create the space, it makes things that maybe would normally be stressful, not so stressful. So to me, what I want to know is, after that woman experience, when you went back into reality, did you feel things that would have bothered you before? Little tiny things? It.

Was it less.

[Jesse Israel]

Way less. Yeah, it was that week. And this is true with the. With the weekend version of this, too. Doesn't have to be eight days. This can also be the case when you do a weekend version of this, it's almost like industrial strength meditation for an extended period of time. I came back from that week so resilient. Not only creative, but just so resilient with whatever came my way. So then the question for me became, well, how do I. I can't go do eight days all the time by my. Actually, I don't think I've even done that since then. So it's like, how do you find the micro ways to bring that into, you know, into Our Lives? And 24 hour version of no Phone, not being away from other people, but just 24. It's like tech Sabbath, Friday night sundown till Saturday night sundown. No Phone. I'm gonna try that is incredibly potent. And you can do that with your kids, you can do that with your family, you can do with your friends. So there are other ways to work it in and get the, you know, and still get the benefit and the impact of it. We just gotta be, we gotta get ahead of it, we gotta plan it. And we have to be willing to create those boundaries. If it's Opal or If it's taking 24 hours, if it's putting your phone in the office instead of the bedroom. All these little things, they build up and they help because last thing I'll say about this, Cal Newport is a great author and academic. He has this theory about solitude deprivation. It's this idea that we are deprived of being ourselves.

[Michael Bostic]

He wrote Deep Work, right?

[Jesse Israel]

He wrote Deep Work. And it makes sense. It's like we as a species, we evolved with extended periods of being by ourselves to process emotion, to access ideas, to develop. And we don't have it. And if we're, if we're by ourselves for a second today, we're actually not because we're on our phones. So we really miss out on what becomes available to us. Like you guys have said.

[Lauren Bostic]

I also think there's this really famous celebrity that has this son. And I was talking to them and they were saying that their son is so depressed. And they said their son just sits in the room and wakes up and looks at his phone and he's just on his phone all day long. And obviously anyone who does that is going to be depressed. And we're living in an age where the teenagers and the 20 to 30 year olds are on their phone all the time from the second they get up to when they go to bed.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, I actually think like, you know, the generation below our generation gets a lot of flack. But I, but I Think if you like, when we all got these kind of devices, we had largely gone through elementary school, middle school, high school, college. Like, I didn't get an Apple like, phone until I graduated. So I had like, the flips. I had, like the BlackBerry. You know what I mean? So you got to have all of those adolescent experiences that entire time. Many of these young kids now get given a phone sometimes at the age of like 8 or 9. But a lot of them, like, as they get into middle school and high school, so they've never had the ability to kind of just like, sit, quiet, be bored, be alone, not be connected, not be stimulated. And then they. Where I feel bad for them and their parents because, like, the parents weren't taught either is like, that's the only reality they know. When you start talking about a world where, like, you don't have these things, like, for. For that generation, that's like flipping their whole world upside down. Like, we remember a time when there was landlines and when you didn't have this connection and when you didn't have the, like.

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[Michael Bostic]

And so, like, you can. You can look back like, oh, at that time, I didn't feel this anxious, or I didn't have this anxiety, or I wasn't this stressed, or I really didn't care what other people online were doing. Cause I didn't know for them, that's all they know.

[Lauren Bostic]

Do you think there's going to be rehab for the phone?

[Jesse Israel]

I think there already is.

[Lauren Bostic]

Do you think it's going to be more and more popular?

[Jesse Israel]

I think it will become. I think we'll see two things. One thing we're already seeing right now is generational pushback. So Google search results for terms like flip phone are up 15,000% right now.

[Lauren Bostic]

That's what I'm doing for my kids. When it's time for a phone, we're getting a flip phone. You can call me. We don't need an Apple watch sitting.

[Michael Bostic]

And we used to have to print out the MapQuest directions.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah, right. Yeah, right.

[Lauren Bostic]

We're doing flip phones in the car. A Nokia, a Snake Play Snake. Oprah Winfrey. How do you get introduced to Oprah Winfrey? And then what is that like working with someone who is so loved and so powerful and so extraordinary?

[Jesse Israel]

So with the big quiet, which became my focal point for the 10 years after I ran my record label, we went on the road and we were bringing these mass meditation events to really interesting places throughout the country and eventually the world, and we would tour just like we would tour bands, but we would tour these mass meditations. And it was cool for me because I went from being behind the stage, supporting talent, performing at places like Coachella, to actually being on the stage, guiding meditation, speaking, talking about things we're talking about here. And my team and I were touring in Chicago. We actually did a big quiet event at the Museum of Natural History there. And Oprah's team came to the event and they had been producing Oprah's next arena tour, which was going to be happening in a few months. And they thought that the big quiet experience would be something that would be interesting for her programming and, and for the audience. And Oprah is a big meditator. She's also a really big proponent of quiet and a lot of stuff that we've talked about. So they suggested that I come on tour initially. It was just the first tour stop that I was going to be on and they gave me a 30 minute slot. It was really fun. I did like a little mini TED Talk. I guided a meditation for about 15,000 people, which was unreal because at that point in the big quiet, we were doing like 5, 6, 7,000 people, but 15,000 people enclosed in a space. If one person coughs, everybody hears it. If one person or if one box up in the corner of the arena decides that they want to party and just talk, everybody would hear it.

[Michael Bostic]

Oh, I'd fuck up your whole event. I got this cough.

[Lauren Bostic]

That's for a little persistent fake cough. It'd be so annoying. Thank God that he hasn't gone to your event. Wait, did anyone talk and fuck it up?

[Jesse Israel]

So I was, I was a little nervous for that first one, especially on one of the biggest stages in the world with Oprah. And you could hear a pin drop. It was really powerful. Actually. There was quite a bit of emotion in the room. And then for the last 10 minutes of my stage segment, Oprah decided to interview me. She asked me questions kind of on the spot and it was a really special moment. She really appreciated the meditation. And I think that I felt like we had a nice connection on stage. And when I said goodbye the next day and they were about to go on this, you know, 10 week journey, touring arenas throughout the U.S. the producer called me the next day and was like, Oprah really enjoyed the experience. She liked you. Would you be open to coming for the whole tour? So, you know, I was like, I gotta check my schedule.

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What is the most amazing thing that Oprah's taught you?

[Jesse Israel]

So there was a lot. I mean, what was really cool about Taurine was with Oprah, was learning from Oprah. And the first thing that comes to mind is seeing the way that she treats her employees and the people that have helped her build what she does today.

[Lauren Bostic]

She's the best at bringing other people up with her. She doesn't have to be. What's it called? The Benevolent.

[Michael Bostic]

Benevolent. But, like, yeah, people. Some people say there's benevolent kings, benevolent queens, people that basically give and bring people up without asking for anything in return. Right. And they just, like, they just lend their, their platform or their resources to help.

[Lauren Bostic]

Joe Rogan does that.

[Michael Bostic]

He's done for a lot of comedians. Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot. I mean, like, I think you do that, Lauren, for a lot of women. A lot of people, especially, like people in the, in the service industry and beauty industry.

[Lauren Bostic]

I try to do it all the time. It's. I think that it's important. Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

No, but she's, I think, like, Oprah's the blue. I mean, she put a lot of people on the map.

[Jesse Israel]

So many.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah.

[Jesse Israel]

And what's interesting was I'm specifically referring to the people that aren't in the public spotlight because she's done that for so many people who've built their, you know, their public facing careers. But Oprah has crazy retention. The people that have worked with her have worked with her for coming up on 40 years. And you know that that's rare, especially when you have like a major public figure like that.

[Lauren Bostic]

I've got a Barnacle behind here. That's Taylor O' Connor that's worked with us for 20.

[Michael Bostic]

Well, that's because

[Lauren Bostic]

he knows the big Barnacle.

[Michael Bostic]

He knows we know some of the things that he's so. No, I'm just kidding. No. Yeah, but we've been. I mean, Taylor and I have been together for what, Taylor? 20 years now, closely.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah, the thing that I saw that was really cool was the last night of tour. Actually. This is the final tour stop. There's a wrap party. It was in Denver. And I think most people at Oprah's level, at a rap party like this, they would come, they'd show face for a little bit and then they'd leave. There were 300 people that toured for this event. It was a really big tour. And what Oprah did at this event was she had the production team built a little stage at the wrap party. They, like, rented a huge restaurant. They had a little stage built. And Oprah took three hours, spent three hours inviting up the key people of her team one by one onto the stage with her. And each time one of these individuals would come up on stage, she would thank them and she would recognize them for their greatest gifts. Like, she can see people in their zone of genius. She's able to say, you helped us make this tour successful because of this unique gift that you have that only you have. So people felt recognized and celebrated, but they also felt seen for their superpower. And I saw each person get off that stage just like, on fire, so lit up. I saw her do that for three hours straight. And I was. And it's genuine, you know, And I'm like, those are the things that have allowed her to keep that team, to be able to have the reach and impact that she has.

[Lauren Bostic]

Taylor, you're the best producer.

[Jesse Israel]

You're the best barnacle.

[Lauren Bostic]

You're literally so responsive. If it's after 2pm PST, you're so

[Michael Bostic]

good at interrupting our shows for postmates deliveries. I love it so much, revealing my

[Jesse Israel]

phone number on air.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. Thank you for sharing my home address and where my children sleep to the audience.

[Lauren Bostic]

If you could wave a wand and have everyone do three things for their nervous system, what would those things be?

[Jesse Israel]

The first one I'm really passionate about, this one is for people to understand that feeling uncomfortable emotions is. Is the greatest gateway to their power. It's easier said than done. But if you feel anger, this understanding or this thinking that anger is bad, that there's something wrong with us, that anger is something that we need to push down or hide, it's not accurate. If we can find healthy ways to release anger, healthy ways to grieve, to cry, especially for men, we can learn how to feel emotions that are trapped inside of us. Emotion is essentially energy that gets trapped in ourselves. When we feel it, it leaves ourselves. And what we notice is that old patterns, the limiting beliefs, the things that have kept our nervous system stuck and triggered, it starts to shift and leave. It's one of the best tools to resetting the nervous system. Feel feelings when you feel them. I got a whole crying practice I can get into if I need to

[Lauren Bostic]

make Michael and Taylor cry.

[Michael Bostic]

That's pretty easy, really.

[Lauren Bostic]

Yeah, it is.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah. Just keep bitching at me and I'll start crying.

[Lauren Bostic]

That's what you think will make you cry?

[Michael Bostic]

No, I'm just kidding. No, there's things I. No, I think what you said about men is really important because there's some. There's something that I think many men are ingrained with words. Like you feel like you shouldn't, like you're like not supposed to do it. Yeah, right. And you know, since I've had children, I've.

[Lauren Bostic]

You cry all the time about the children.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, Well, I think it opened in

[Jesse Israel]

like a heart opening way.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, in a heart opening way. But I mean, for sure, when I was younger, like. And I think this is changing now, but like, you just think you're not supposed to do that. You think you're just supposed to push it down deep, you know?

[Jesse Israel]

Totally.

[Michael Bostic]

And I think it does a lot. I think it then with men, unfortunately, a lot of times it comes out with aggression. Right. And then that creates a ton of problems.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The wounds that men carry tend to repeat when we don't allow ourselves to access those feelings. You know, I do a lot of coaching and advising for business leaders and, you know, executives, celebrities, stuff like that. And a lot of the sort of high powered male archetype that I tend to work with a lot in business. It always starts with, I'll introduce him to meditation. I'll get him meditating. And there's like six months where it's just like meditation, building awareness, starting to soothe the nervous system. And then we'll reach this point where you can start to get into feeling emotion. And when these guys start to learn how to release anger in a healthy way or cry. It's crazy when these guys learn they've been told that crying is a weakness their whole lives. And then they learn how to. How to release that trapped energy and grief or sorrow from whatever they've been holding onto from their past. They come out on the other side performing at their businesses at a whole other level, showing up for their family and kids at a whole other level and being able to enjoy their lives at a whole other level through the gateway of feeling something that they were always told would make them weak.

[Lauren Bostic]

That's so interesting. When. When my little son, he's three, gets. He gets cranial sacral therapy.

[Jesse Israel]

Great. And that's what my ex.

[Michael Bostic]

I'm doing it.

[Lauren Bostic]

Isn't it amazing? Yeah, it's like amazing.

[Jesse Israel]

Great stuff.

[Lauren Bostic]

The best.

But he's getting it. And when he's done or during, sometimes he has this release of emotion and he'll start bawling, crying. And what I've noticed is in. When it's happening, it can sound like, almost like a tantrum. He's getting it all out and then when he's done, he's like, calm.

[Jesse Israel]

Yes.

[Lauren Bostic]

It's bizarre. So I can see what you're saying in a different well.

[Jesse Israel]

And imagine if you feel so good for him.

[Lauren Bostic]

I know.

[Jesse Israel]

Good for him.

[Michael Bostic]

I don't. I never. I don't disagree with him.

[Lauren Bostic]

Well, when you see the credit card every month, you're like, holy fuck, Lauren, why do you have to spend all this? Can you explain? Cranial sacral is my handbag and shoes. Can you explain?

[Michael Bostic]

Well, my thing is. And listen, you could just drop. Drive down to the office, nine minutes away. I like efficiency and save like literally three times the cost and just do it in the office and we.

[Lauren Bostic]

Not with three kids. I'm not doing that. You can do it with three kids.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Michael Bostic]

I go to the office.

[Lauren Bostic]

Okay, so. But tell us why cranial sacral so many.

[Michael Bostic]

Sometimes I look at the credit card bill and I start crying.

[Lauren Bostic]

That's the perfect person.

[Jesse Israel]

Cranial sacral therapy. So first of all, my ex that I've referenced, she's a cranial sacral therapist. So I got a lot of free tune ups, which I now miss.

[Lauren Bostic]

That sounds, you know, they're gonna pull that clip.

Jesse, your ex gave you a lot

of three tune ups. Tell us about those.

[Jesse Israel]

Cranial sacral is so great because it's so. They call it like the Rolls Royce of bodywork. Shout out. Melissa Duffy, my ex, who's a great cranial sacral therapist, and Maria. It is a really meaningful. It's like a really gentle massage that essentially is a way to get in touch with the neural network and this very subtle network of the nervous system that when it's given guidance, when it's given gentle touch, when energy is kind of supported to move through it. The blocks that get stored and held in our nervous system, and a lot of them are emotional blocks, start to be able to flow more fluidly. There's an actual fluid that moves through our brain. It gets blocked up when the nervous system is messed up. So when it starts to move more fluidly, things start to move and flush. Like what you see with your son as an emotional release. But then when it leaves the system, nervous system gets back into its natural, healthy flow. So it's about moving that fluid.

[Lauren Bostic]

I am so passionate about what this has done for my family. I started with my baby because I think everyone should look into this when the baby comes out because they have Like a birth trauma through coming through the canal or being pulled out through C section.

[Jesse Israel]

That's real.

[Lauren Bostic]

So it's the lightest touch. And the baby, it was like we had the calmest, easiest baby. And I attribute a lot of that to getting everything aligned after being born. And then from there.

[Michael Bostic]

He was the first one we did it with. He's our third. So, like, the first two, we didn't do that.

[Lauren Bostic]

Right. And so then I was like, oh, why don't you do it on me? And I was like, it's like, whatever. And she did it. And I've been doing it once a week for nine months. And I feel like it's been nine years of therapy, like talk therapy in nine months. And I sent my dad to her. He's obsessed. Both my kids go to her. I also think, as you said, it

helps with their detox pathways.

So if it's hard to detox for certain kids, it's really great. And then Michael did it. But she said, Michael's one of the most difficult people to get through that. It's like a moat with alligators.

[Michael Bostic]

No, but I think.

[Lauren Bostic]

Because I let her right in. She touches me, I'm like, ah, no,

[Michael Bostic]

but I'm trying to do it. And I think. I think it's because, especially for a lot of men, you push things down and they get buried deep. And this is a real tangent, but I was having these back issues, and I read this book by this guy, Dr. Sarno, which I recommend everyone that has back. I don't know if you've heard of it.

[Lauren Bostic]

Yeah.

[Michael Bostic]

Called Healing Back Pain. And what you realize is, like, headaches, ulcers, or back pain or a lot of these things that we think are pain. It's the subconscious mind pushing pain out of your mind and into a physical place in your body. And so when you learn these things, like, a lot of this pain largely goes away. I think the same thing with craniosacrals. You got to be able to penetrate, but for some people, it's harder than others, especially if you. I don't want to generalize for a man, but especially if you've been a man that's been told your whole life, like, hey, bury that stuff deep and don't talk about it. Like, it just. It gets. It gets stuck in a different way. You have to. You have to work harder to dig it out.

[Jesse Israel]

It takes more time to get in there.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah.

[Jesse Israel]

I've also found that. And this is one that anybody can do without a cranial sacral therapist, without any Money exchange, such a great one for all people, but especially for men, is this anger release practice. If you feel anger coming up, our tendency is to either release it in a violent way or to suppress it. And my favorite anger release tools, you go into the bathroom, you go into a place where you can be by yourself, essentially, and you grab a big towel, like a, Like a shower towel, and you squeeze it essentially, like you wring the towel dry as hard as you can like this. And you put all of the anger and all of the emotion, all the shit that you're feeling into that squeeze. And if, if it, if you're able to, you can let out a big yell. If there are people in nearby rooms and you're not comfortable doing it, that's okay. But you just put all of the energy into it. You can't break the towel. So you can give everything to it. And you'll feel a really intense, energetic force move through the body, goes into the towel. And when we release it, we notice it's. It's a noticeable change. It's like almost like a little sensation of bliss afterwards.

[Lauren Bostic]

Next time you're being rude to me, you better go in that bathroom and you better ring.

[Michael Bostic]

The children hear me doing war cries in the bathroom as they're trying to get ahead. Just fighting my demons in the bathroom with a towel.

[Lauren Bostic]

I mean, listen, that's a good way to release. Get out.

[Michael Bostic]

Might kill two birds with one stone. They might want to. The kids might back off the bathroom a little bit too. I get a little privacy. Just hear me in there screaming my lungs out.

[Lauren Bostic]

We need to put our phone away. We need to take breaks. We need to stop with all the stimulation all the time. And we need to have nervous system resets. Is there anything else that you would leave our audience with that you think is really valuable?

[Jesse Israel]

I just think, in addition, a lot of what we've talked about today is creating space, right. And distance from our devices and making time for ourselves. Being in nature. And these practices are so important. But I also just believe so much that another key to nervous system health, but also, like moving into our power and feeling like we can really be the person we're here to be is through connection. And I think it's so important that with the closest people in our lives, we push ourselves to be vulnerable and to be very real with what we're experiencing, because I think it's such a powerful medicine. I was reading recently about Robin Dunbar, who's a celebrated anthropologist, sociologist. The research that he's been seeing shows that the single greatest predictor of mental health, physical health, and longevity out of anything that he's seen through his research right now is the quality of relationships with the three to five people that you're closest with. So the quality of the relationship with the three to five people that you're closest with is the single greatest determinator of your health, mental health longevity. So I just think that there's so much there about leaning into connection with people, forming, like coming back and forming bonds with people in our lives that we've lost touch with. You know, really making sure that we're investing in the people that matter most because it's such a critical part of being human. And there's also such a meaningful personal benefit to going there.

[Lauren Bostic]

Jesse, thank you so much for coming on the show. Where can everyone find you and where can they support the big quiet movement?

[Jesse Israel]

People can learn more about me. I'm on Instagram essieisrael and my website,

[Lauren Bostic]

JesseIsrael.com Go DM him, possum penis.

[Michael Bostic]

Thank you, Jesse. I want to do.

[Lauren Bostic]

Didn't know I was gonna go there, did you?

[Michael Bostic]

I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna try to do that either one or two or at least two day thing. We should both do that and just take a weekend.

[Jesse Israel]

I love that idea.

[Lauren Bostic]

Can you ever do it together or do you. No, no, no, no. Okay. I'm just wondering, doesn't it take the

[Michael Bostic]

purpose away from the choir?

[Jesse Israel]

Then it changes.

[Lauren Bostic]

It changes the energy.

[Jesse Israel]

Some people will experiment doing it as a couple without. Without talking. But it is different, I would say. I would suggest as a starting point, you each do it individually.

[Lauren Bostic]

Okay. You can go first and you don't have to.

[Michael Bostic]

We don't have to go so far, but you can go. We'll find a place.

[Lauren Bostic]

I think you especially are so cerebral.

[Michael Bostic]

I'm gonna go scream in the. With my towel.

[Lauren Bostic]

No. If you don't have, like, air, I feel like it's. It's not good. I. I'm more micro. I get. I do my 30 minutes of meditation every morning.

[Jesse Israel]

You do 30? Great.

[Lauren Bostic]

Every morning.

[Jesse Israel]

Great.

[Lauren Bostic]

He does. I do Joe Dispenza. I love him. He's changed.

[Jesse Israel]

You do the more that. Specifically that morning meditation.

[Lauren Bostic]

He's. He. That meditation has built my, like a lot of my career. Because what I look at it like is a strategy session with myself. That's. And because some people are like, I don't have time to meditate. I have time for a 30 minute strategy session with myself. I've Built my business, the podcast in that 30 minutes and the life that I want. He sometimes does. Joe.

[Michael Bostic]

No. What I feel.

[Lauren Bostic]

But what you like to do is he needs to go away like a cat.

[Michael Bostic]

Cats go away to die, Lauren.

[Lauren Bostic]

Yeah, you need to go away and you need to be left alone. And you're lucky I know that about it.

[Michael Bostic]

No, no, I prefer. And again, I'm not an expert in this. I'm still trying to learn. What I've noticed about myself is I prefer when there's not somebody's voice talking to me during the meditation. I like it more either like some kind of music or sound or quiet.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah, you gotta try new calm.

[Michael Bostic]

Yeah, yeah. I don't. I mean, listen, and I like Joe and some others, but I found that if I had the choice between the two, I like when it's.

[Lauren Bostic]

You know who else I like every night I like to do. But this one I don't do like. I do while I'm like doing my skincare is Louise Hay Evening meditation.

[Jesse Israel]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Lauren Bostic]

I love her, those two meditations.

[Jesse Israel]

She's og. What's the name of the Joe one that you do every morning? Do you remember?

[Lauren Bostic]

I'll show it to you. It's called the morning meditation.

[Jesse Israel]

That's the one I thought. Yeah, yeah, I've done it before. It's very.

[Lauren Bostic]

It's like you meditate on the future of yourself, so you think like where you are in a year and where you are in five years and where you are in 10 years and you think about you during that 30 minutes every day. You literally create the life you want. I find it to be. I mean, there's no better business advice. Go have a 30 minute strategy session with yourself. Build your business, your family, your Life. In that 30 minutes, everything that I've wanted to happen has happened. Of course I Systems have helped me get there, but the overall vision that meditation is really powerful.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah. Cool. That's awesome to hear that you do my tip every day.

[Lauren Bostic]

But I could go wait. I could still go away for two days though.

[Jesse Israel]

Yeah, I. And I. I have a protocol I can share with you guys if you want. I would love it on it. So you actually, like have a light itinerary for what you do by yourself. It's really effective.

[Lauren Bostic]

I'm gonna give you my.

[Michael Bostic]

Thank you, Jesse.

[Lauren Bostic]

Thank you.

[Michael Bostic]

Thanks, man.