'25 Aston Vanquish Review; Kart Drifting; Matt's Law

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast – Episode Summary

Podcast: The Smoking Tire
Hosts: Zack Klapman & Matt Farah
Episode: '25 Aston Vanquish Review; Kart Drifting; Matt's Law
Date: September 23, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode is a lively, meandering ride through recent car adventures, geeky tech gripes, automotive nostalgia, and their signature comedic banter. Zack and Matt kick things off recounting their escapades at a wealthy Southern California Cars & Coffee, dig into the technical quirks of drift karting, deep-dive into the much-anticipated Aston Martin Vanquish review, and wrap it all together with jokes, wild audience questions, and offbeat tangents—like Ferrari key design and how to move a dead McLaren with dish soap. If you love both cars and irreverent humor, this one delivers.

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Major Segments & Timestamps

1. Cars & Coffee, Theology, and Speeding’s Place in the Bible

[00:00–06:07]

• Matt opens discussing the luxurious scene at Rancho Santa Fe Cars & Coffee and the joys of early-morning, high-speed driving.
• Spirals into a satirical riff about speeding as a “law of man vs. sin,” inventing a fake scripture about highway etiquette.
• The hosts jokingly recall awkward experiences at religious events.

Memorable Quote:

“If we're going to live in a goddamn theocracy… then anything God didn't say, fair fucking game. I'm driving 100 miles an hour.” – Matt Farah [02:06]

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2. Drift Karting at K1 Speed: Slippery Mayhem

[06:09–13:31]

• The guys recap a recent drift karting night with friends (including pro drivers and sim drifters).
• Highly technical, shares why sliding a plastic-tired kart is much harder and less controllable than drifting a car.
• “Nobody has it”: Even experts kept spinning out — laughs all around.
• Share lap time results, reveal how track regulars set unbeatable times, and recall their early years living at the kart track.

Quotes & Moments:

• “The things you think will help mostly don’t. It is a game of nuance... If you go for 30 [degrees], you loop.” – Zack [06:40]
• “You can't use your brakes. You effectively have no brakes.” – Matt [08:17]

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3. ’25 Aston Martin Vanquish Review: The Art of Excess

[13:32–21:10]

• Matt’s road & video review of the latest Vanquish: “Like a ruby slipper down the road... candy apple golden red.”
• Explains dynamics: two seats, huge size, ultra-precise steering, 830HP. “Hang on—pro-grade weaponry.”
• Comparison: "If you’re not going really fast, just get a DB12 or Vantage. The Vanquish is for time-warp fast."
• Zach notes Matt’s unusual silence during acceleration shots in the video.

Memorable Quote:

“Third and fourth gear in this car are very crazy... I'd love to have a go in one of these on the Autobahn. It would be insanity.” – Matt [15:37]

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4. CarPlay Ultra: How to Ruin a $450K Supercar Drive

[20:33–29:24]

• Matt’s major gripe: Apple CarPlay Ultra’s slow, unreliable connection (“sometimes 10 seconds, sometimes not at all”).
• Explains glitchy startup routines, how the system never recovers after repeated short trips, and the hazards for less tech-savvy owners.
• Tech digression: Recent Porsche user interfaces, hard vs. software solutions, Dunning-Kruger on retrofitting modern UIs.

Quotes:

“Even though it's a scroll knob, you still need the display to know what’s, you know... And that’s a pain.” – Matt [20:39]
“This is a thing, and it happened in the Vantage too… Some of this could be Apple, some of this could be Aston.” – Matt [26:11]

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5. Ferrari Keys: The Shift from Discreet to Bling

[29:52–37:06]

• Story: Chris Harris loses his Ferrari key, which survives being run over.
• Deep dive into Ferrari key design through the decades—“the modern key is designed to be thrown down on a bar.”
• Comparison of various exotic keys: the evolution, aesthetics, practicality, and a shoutout to the “dinky” Countach key.

Memorable Commentary:

“Modern Ferrari key seems designed perfectly to throw down on a bar and impress women... It’s the badge off my 328 just as a key.” – Matt [33:23–34:33]

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6. Workshop War Stories & Car Owner Nightmares

[37:07–44:41]

• Extreme lengths to move a bricked McLaren: dish soap-soaked floors, dragged by a diesel Delica.
• McLaren’s 38-day “countdown to dead battery.”
• The mandatory (and expensive) use of proprietary battery tenders for new supercars—a cost passed on to customers if not provided, complete with outrageous dish soap clean-up tales.

Hilarious Moment:

“The solution is to squirt an enormous amount of dish soap on the floor and connect the tow hook to my Delica...” – Matt [38:53]

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7. Offbeat Tangents: Foam Parties & Biohazard Laughs

[44:41–47:30]

• Ridiculous reminiscing: foam parties, medical ‘fun facts’ from recent reading, and over-the-top ideas for safe, biohazard foam get-togethers.
• Scuba diving specialties and dry suit parties.

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8. Race Gear Rabbit Hole: The Search for Comfy Driving Shoes

[47:31–51:37]

• Why most driving shoes suck for endurance racing—Matt orders fireproof New Balance sneakers intended for pit crews.
• Detailed discussion of failures in racing shoe ergonomics, returns policy anecdotes, and the joys of comfortable gear at the track.

Quote:

“I want my foot to be the shape it’s supposed to be—or the shape of a sneaker.” – Matt [50:08]

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9. Patreon Q&A: Advice, Hot Takes, and Rants

[51:38–End (~97:15)]

• Audience questions (with timestamps for key questions below).
  • [56:21]: Exposing a Mustang V6 as a “GT” at a dealership.
  • [63:40]: “If we ran General Motors...” Three ways to fix the lineup: smaller trucks, bring back the Volt, make the Camaro small and light again.
  • [75:20]: 19-year-old tires on a seldom-driven C4 Corvette? (“Absolutely must be replaced. This is your own life.”)
  • [76:04]: Automotive bucket list activities: Baja 1000, Nürburgring laps, and Colorado Hillclimb.
  • [91:05]: What car for a modern ‘Rendezvous’ film in LA at 3am? (Rally car for ground clearance, or Mach-E Rally for silence.)
  • [96:23]: Best TV show for “cars as subtle character building”: Sopranos and Breaking Bad both get the nod.

Other Fun Quotes:

“I always describe a nice watch as a car that comes into the bar with you. If you don’t like watches, you can just bring a little bit of the car in with you.” – Matt [33:51]

“You can just walk around in [the pit crew shoes]. Driver shoes, you shouldn’t walk much.” – Zack [48:09]

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Tone & Takeaways

• Signature Humor: Plenty. Irreverent, self-deprecating, deeply knowledgeable but unsparing (even of themselves, their partners, and their teenage years).
• Insider Automotive Knowledge: Strong pro-level insights on the Vanquish, infotainment stack problems, and the reality behind high-end car ownership/service nightmares.
• Nostalgic Vibes: Bar mitzvah stories, old Ferrari/Countach lore, racing suit failures, and decades-old dealership scam tales.
• Audience Value: Tangible advice for aspiring track rats, home mechanics, and car buyers on reliability, safety, and the hilarious pitfalls of the “cheap option.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

1. Speeding as a Sin?

   “If we're going to live in a goddamn theocracy… then anything God didn't say, fair fucking game. I'm driving 100 miles an hour.”
   Matt Farah [02:06]

2. Drift Karting Humility:

   “You get a nice flow... and then two corners later, you're just backwards in a wall.”
   Matt Farah [07:04]

3. Aston Vanquish Power:

   “It's such a luxury item... The front wheels are like 8ft, 9ft from your head... And so that's kind of an interesting and different thing, but just insanely fast.”
   Matt Farah [13:35]

4. CarPlay Ultra Frustration:

   “The problem is it never fixed itself. That then became a permanent problem. It couldn't find my phone ever again.”
   Matt Farah [28:01]

5. Ultimate Ferrari Key:

   “Modern Ferrari key seems designed perfectly to throw down on a bar...”
   Matt Farah [33:23]

6. Dish Soap Adventures:

   “The solution is to squirt an enormous amount of dish soap on the floor and connect the tow hook to my Delica...”
   Matt Farah [38:53]

7. Tire Replacement Math:

   “You got a car for the price of the tires. That's how you think about that. This is your own life.”
   Matt Farah [75:27]

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Closing Thoughts

The episode is a great mix of hearty laughs, joking rants, and real-world car advice. The Vanquish review is insightful, but the real treats are in the sidetrack tales: weird keys, drift fails, and broken supercars. Matt and Zack bring their A-game as both car nerds and entertainers—making this a must-listen for gearheads who appreciate wit and honesty along with their horsepower.

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Listen to the full episode for the detailed flavor, tech tangents, and plenty of proverbial “spinning out” into entertaining territory.

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

What up, everyone? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Matt Farah here. And as always, today's episode is brought to you by off the Record. We love off the Record because they are looking out for you. If you get pulled over on the road for anything big or small and get ticketed, don't fight the cop, fight it in court. With off the record, go to offtherecord.com TST and off the Record will connect you to a qualified attorney in the jurisdiction where you got that ticket. They will fight that ticket your behalf to the death if need be. That's right. For just one little clicky on a little linky. Offtherecord.com TST you have representation at a 10% discount. Offtherecord.com TNT don't plead guilty. Get a lawyer. Get off the Record. All right, folks, on this episode of the podcast, Zach and I went go kart drifting. Chris Harris lost his Ferrari Ferrari key and we discuss why that is in fact the best key for dropping on a bar. I review the new Aston Martin Vanquish and things we would change if we ran General Motors today. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast. Let's go. That is a very good cars and coffee, that Rancho Santa Fe Cars and coffee. Because it's like A, it's super fucking rich people and B, it's not in a parking lot. They like take over the whole town square. It's nice.

[Zach]

Oh yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And all the restaurants like, or the coffee shops all open early and there's like a park. It's like, it's pretty nice.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's a good aesthetic.

[Matt Farah]

And at like 6:00 clock, it starts at, you know, 7:30. If I leave my house at 6 and I drive south on the, on a set, I could fucking go a hundred miles an hour. There's no cars, there's nobody. You drive the entire length of the 73, you don't see another car.

[Zach]

Yeah, you're sinning. Everyone's at church.

[Matt Farah]

Amazing. Yes. That's not a sin. Speeding isn't a sin.

[Zach]

Depends on which.

[Matt Farah]

That's a law of man, Zach. There's no. Listen, look, if we're going to live in a goddamn theocracy, okay, then we have to have both sides of the theocracy. We're going to live if fucking God and is going to determine how the rest of us that don't believe in God fucking live in this country. Then anything God didn't say, fair fucking game. I'm driving 100 miles an hour.

[Zach]

Well, guess what? They who are in control. Like to make laws based on air quotes, things God said, and they are not in the Bible. So I'm going to add it to the Bible. Speeding is now in the Bible. Match Farah, because, you know, they're against a bunch of other things that aren't in the Bible.

[Matt Farah]

Let's put it in the Book of Matthew. Can we have Matthew?

[Zach]

And the Lord saith, if the road be it empty.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Matthew 4:20 says, Keep right.

[Zach]

But let the camels run free.

[Matt Farah]

Hi, guys. Welcome to the Sermon on the Mount Entire podcast.

[Zach]

There goes half our audience again.

[Matt Farah]

Look, you know, you can say that that's not being very Christian of me, but it's not my problem.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

I don't actually give a. When was the last time you went to a religious thing? Thing? You had a bar mitzvah?

[Zach]

Had a bar mitzvah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah. What was your tour portion, by the way?

[Zach]

No idea.

[Matt Farah]

You don't remember?

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Really? Second one, just vague.

[Zach]

It might have been called that. And I wouldn't know my.

[Matt Farah]

I guess they're not. They can't all be memorable. One of them's like, and then fucking Mary took a shit. You know, like, look at that age.

[Zach]

I mean, I did it. And then I focus on memorizing Carfax, and most of those are gone now.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, listen, dude, nobody. I cheated. I cheated him.

[Zach]

Learn to make the sounds. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I transliterated my bar mitzvah. Yeah.

[Zach]

I'm just saying.

[Matt Farah]

You don't remember? Mine was the Jacob's Ladder thing that I just happened to know because it's like a story from the Bible that's like. People like, oh, yeah, that Jacob's Ladder. I don't. I couldn't tell you what Jacob's Ladder was about, but there was a ladder, right.

[Zach]

And he tried to climb it. Or did success.

[Matt Farah]

Couldn't tell you.

[Zach]

All right.

[Matt Farah]

It's funny. The Torah portion stopped right before there. Not because it was supposed to, only because I would. Yeah. Swipe right to hear the rest.

[Zach]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Farah]

No. Only because I was like, yeah, I'm going to learn maybe, you know, 400 words, I think is about what I'm going to learn. Then stop there.

[Zach]

That's a lot.

[Matt Farah]

Give a. Yeah.

[Zach]

I went to. I went to Catholic mass once with a girl I was dating just after college.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

That was a long confirmation of why I don't want to be Catholic. Well, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, listen. And if you listen to Billy Joel, Catholic girls start much too late. But it's terrible. I recommend if you're younger, try to date a Catholic girl, especially if they go to a really, really oppressive school. If those are still a thing, that's a fucking good time. If you can get yourself in that world, man, there is some shit that goes down. It's. It's good.

[Zach]

I mean, speaking of repression, this is why the stats that come out every now and then are like, states that are most read, watch the most, you know, transsexual porn. Fascinating.

[Matt Farah]

I love those search clouds. The search clouds when you find out the Midwest really likes, you know, transgender porn.

[Zach]

Doing research, Mom.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I've said it before, but there was a Catholic school in Westchester county that had a. That made a rule because of me and they. That boys weren't allowed to be there, like, before a certain time because I would go pick up my girlfriend and my fucking Mustang with a 303 cam. They didn't have air conditioning in that school, so the windows were always open. So I'd be out in the parking lot, just brah, da, da, da bra. It was like. It was almost Billy Madison.

[Zach]

That is. That's a little. Also a little bit Ferris Bueller.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Sloane, Dale. Come on now. It's just like close family.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Good times.

[Zach]

Nice.

[Matt Farah]

So, Carson, maybe we went drift carding last night.

[Zach]

Yeah, we did.

[Matt Farah]

Which is. Which is. That's. That's a good time.

[Zach]

Difficult.

[Matt Farah]

Very hard. Extremely difficult. Very hard. They basically just. It's at K1, and they. They just put plastic tires on the back.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And the funny thing about drift karting is that the brakes are also on the back. And therefore, you don't really have the same kind of control you would have when trying to drift a car.

[Zach]

You. You have very little control. Like, the things you think will help mostly don't. It's a. It is a game of nuance. And like a real. I think one of the secrets is quit while you're ahead. You get 20 degrees of slip and you're like. And it doesn't feel like anything compared to any car, but you should call that a win. And then you're, quote, drifting. But if you go for 30, you loop, right?

[Matt Farah]

And inevitably you get to a point where you get a nice flow and you kind of link five or six corners. And then you're like, now I know how to do this. I can repeat that every time. And then two corners later, you're just.

[Zach]

Backwards in a wall because the crowd. It was me. You. You know, Sarah Trimble, professional stunt driver. Corey, who does a lot of sim drifting. Misha Mansour, like a Lot of people who drive frequently and then some have a pretty solid experience. Drifting cars and sliding cars. And every corner one of us was spun out again and just laughing our asses off. Like you think, oh man, I don't have it. They have it in the next corner. They've spun out. And then you have it and you think you got it figured out and then you don't. It was a riot.

[Matt Farah]

Nobody has it. Actually. There is wildly inconsistent and there's a couple of different, like surface changes there. And like, it's pretty funny. The, the, the, the way that a go kart delivers power is non linear. And normally that doesn't matter because it's just, it's just not the kind of thing that matters when you're racing one for real. But when you're trying to actually like drift and modulate the. You can't like feather it. You have to like floor it, but then back off before you get too much.

[Zach]

There's turbo lag, basically. It's like a big turbo supra.

[Matt Farah]

It's exactly like that. So it's about like finding that like one third throttle. And I found the only real way to do it. It's kind of like a car. You can't use your brakes. Like you have. You effectively have no brakes. There's really only one place in that whole track where you can brake and it's before that left hand hairpin in a straight line for the littlest second. Right. And you essentially have to drift without break. So the way to really do it is you can only slide under deceleration and then like just hold it just enough.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

To not get more than your 15.

[Zach]

To 20 degrees, you almost crab walk it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Like you find your angle and you have. And because there's no autocorrect steering, like you set the steering to the angle the rear wheel going. It sounds like simple, but it's not. And then just be happy there and. But I can't. I always want a little more angle. And then you loop and then you.

[Matt Farah]

Loop and there is no more angle.

[Zach]

That's it. There was a kid who went before us like a half an hour before us. He was manji down the straight and was linking corners. I think he probably lives there. Like the people that set the fastest time of the month or whatever that were two seconds faster than us, they.

[Matt Farah]

Probably just know the, the, the. I don't know if the guy was blowing smoker, but the young dude who was running our races. Yeah. He said he was a fan. We'll See if that's true or not. But he was cool and like, I was like, yeah, what's, you know, what's a good time here? And he was like, yeah. He said if you're in, you know, whatever the mid 29s, you're like decent. And the record is like a high 27.

[Zach]

It was what I have the sheet. I think it was like a 28.1. Is the record something. I think that was like the monthly record.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy fast for. For that particular track.

[Zach]

The Torrance adult best of the week is 28.3.

[Matt Farah]

That's really fast.

[Zach]

And oh, the adult record by Michael Chan is 27.235. That's fly. How when, you know they heat those tires up first. Are they fresh sauce?

[Matt Farah]

Some. And also that. I mean maybe that person, you know, weighs 105 pounds or something. I don't know. But like, wow. Very impressive.

[Zach]

Very impressive.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but you. But if you, if you live at a track like the Nathan was like, yeah, there's these people are here like every other day, so good for them.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I used to do that back in the day at gpny and I was fucking winning. Shit.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's what.

[Matt Farah]

That's how practice works, as it turns out.

[Zach]

I told Sarah on the way home, I told her the story of you and Tom, like trading free carding forever for life basically for one commercial. And I was like, so just don't feel bad. Like, not that she would. That she couldn't catch you. Like, just know that Matt and Tom lived at a go kart track for a year at least. And he's very fast.

[Matt Farah]

You should have seen like.

[Zach]

I don't feel bad. I got second to you. I was actually really proud of that. But I expected you to beat me. And I went, that's.

[Matt Farah]

I didn't beat you by much.

[Zach]

You didn't. You did.

[Matt Farah]

Was it on the sheet? It was close, right? Is that the drift sheet or the grip sheet?

[Zach]

I have both. The drift sheet is hilarious. Your time on the drift sheet was 4.9 seconds.

[Matt Farah]

That doesn't mean. Yeah, the drift sheet, that's timing. Timing and scoring stopped working.

[Zach]

The cheat sheet. Matt's fastest time was 30.872 and my fastest time was 30.974.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So we're pretty close.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, pretty close.

[Zach]

Not bad.

[Matt Farah]

Our whole friend group was pretty close.

[Zach]

Pretty tight. Yeah. Ye.

[Matt Farah]

But I do it. I don't know. Someone found fucking three seconds on me on a 30 second track.

[Zach]

Yeah. Like percent where.

[Matt Farah]

What the fuck is. But. But Nathan did say that the like the carts are particularly slow right now, so it wouldn't be. That's like the all time. He said it wouldn't be possible to get that in these carts.

[Zach]

Okay, that is good to know.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

Okay. Anyway, maybe on the morning the batteries are fresh or the battery packs used.

[Matt Farah]

To be fresh for the first time. I tried to read the levels on the fucking charging units to like see like what size the battery packs were, like what, how fast. I've never cared about any of that before. All of a sudden I'm like, huh? How fast do these things charge or what? Well, EV education, drift karting is fun.

[Zach]

It's really.

[Matt Farah]

That's fun. Yeah, it's a sloppy mess, but it is, it's a. It's a good time.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah, it was hilarious. Everyone laughed so hard all the whole time.

[Matt Farah]

They did it.

[Zach]

All the K1s, I don't know. They do it five times a year here.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach]

So it's not. I think they just, they bring the sliders out or whatever. They just do it five nights a year.

[Matt Farah]

All right, well if you have one speed by you wherever you live, see if they do a drift night or five drift nights a year and, and sign up because that's fucking fun.

[Zach]

It was a riot.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah, we should, we should mark the calendar for the, for the next one and shout out to the fan. I think his name's Devin, who on Instagram this morning invited us to his private go karting track, which photo of which looked pretty amazing. Vanquish video went up today. I guess by the time non patrons hear this, it'll be. It'll have been a few days, but please go watch. And also the GTD video. By the time non patrons see this will be up as well. Vanquish is very, very pretty. What a. What a car.

[Zach]

That.

[Matt Farah]

Look at that's just like. That shit is like a ruby slipper going down the road in that color in that like it is the most like candy apple golden red. I mean it's a real, A real delight this car. It's just, it's a crazy. It's. It's such a luxury item because it has only two seats. Not a big trunk is big as the front wheels are way forward. I mean look, the front wheels are like 8ft 9ft from your head. So you have this very sharp steering that's happening down there.

[Zach]

Like the Morgan. Remember that?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, like the Morgan or the Ferrari 812. Yeah. Or a Caterham where, where there's this Very precise machine happening way down there. And so that's kind of an interesting and different thing, but just insanely fast. It's 830 horsepower. Just ridiculous. You kind of have to go really fast. Like if you're not gonna be going really fast, just like skip, get DB12, get. Get Vantage, you know, even if vantage is so fast also. DB12 is so fast also that this is the difference between so fast and like where like time warp shit happens, you know, that it's like, you know, out of, out of a dig off the line, you know, at light to light, even squirting around on the highway like DB12 or is, or a vantage is so fast. But like when you have that extra bit of road and you're revving it not just a six, but to like eight, that's when it's like, that's when this is really, really, you know, hang on. Pro grade weaponry kind of stuff. Yeah, that's where the extra is. 200 grand more.

[Zach]

You, you got quiet as you accelerated at a couple of moments in the video. And that's not common because it was really hauling.

[Matt Farah]

Third and fourth gear in this car are very crazy. I mean, like, I'd love to have a go in one of these in the Autobahn. It would be insanity. It's. It's really like, especially Astons are fast. The DBS was really fast. But like, this is like, oh, this is some other shit.

[Zach]

Very cool, gorgeous.

[Matt Farah]

It's made well and the interior is great, obviously. In the video, I demonstrate the very slow connection time to CarPlay Ultra, which was inconsistent. Folks, gotta take a quick break today because support is coming in hot from Delete Me. Deleteme makes it easy, quick and safe to remove your personal data online. At a time when surveillance and data breaches are common enough to make everyone vulnerable. Anyone can find and purchase your personal information. That's because every time you use the Internet for shopping or signing up for stuff, your information goes into these data broker websites who then sell it to other people. That can lead to phishing scams, all kinds of nefarious garbage. And online actors are going to find this data and use it to target political rivals, civil servants, and even outspoken citizens posting their opinions online. With Delete Me, you can protect your personal privacy or the privacy of your business from doxing attacks before sensitive information can be exploited. In fact, Wirecutter has named Deleteme their top pick for data removal services. I used Deleteme. It was very, very straightforward. I signed up, I filled out a questionnaire, I gave them a lot of information and they went to work. A few days later I heard back that they found like over a thousand instances of my information being out there. They deleted a bunch of it automatically. They gave me the tools to delete the ones I couldn't do automatically and they were fighting legally to get stuff removed. And that's ongoing. It's not just once. They keep it going and every month you get a report saying how they're doing. Now we're down to like a hundred and something instances a month. You can't make this go away, so you have to manage it. You can take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for Delete Me now at a special discount for our listeners. Get 20% off your Delete Me plan when you go to JoinDeleteMe.com Tire and use promo code tire at checkout. The only way to get 20% off is to go to JoinDeleteMe.com Tire and enter code Tire at checkout. That's JoinDeleteMe.com Tire code Tire also support coming in today from Upside Fall is here. That means back to school rush, early morning drop offs, after school activities, football games, last minute supply runs, and those extra, extra trips for groceries, coffee, and gas in the days that get busier. It all adds up fast, folks, but we've got Upside here, the free Upside app. There's an easy way to earn real cash back every time you fill up on your tank, grab a bite to eat, or stock up on essentials. Whether you're driving across town for a soccer game or picking up snacks for the school lunch, Upside helps you keep more in your pocket. In fact, Upside has given back $1 billion to its users. All you have to do is get that Upside app. There's over 100 gas stations, grocery stores, and restaurants on the app, ensuring that cash back is always around the corner. Yes, it's real cash back. No rewards, points, credits, just actual money you can transfer straight to your bank account. Next, you claim an offer for whatever you're buying on Upside. Then you pay as usual with a credit or debit card. Follow the steps in the app and get paid. You can earn three times more cash back with Upside than any other product, including loyalty programs and credit card rewards. A million bucks cash back is being earned by users every single week. Man. Upside. You're already there. You're already getting gas. You're already going to grocery stores, you're already going to restaurants. All you have to do is go to the versions that are Connected to the app and boom, cash back. It's so easy. Upside has given, like I said, a billion dollars back to its users. And to find out how much you could earn, download the free Upside app and use promo code TheSmokingTire to get an extra 25 cents back for every gallon on your first tank of G. That's an extra 25 cents back for every gallon on your first tank of gas. Use promo code, the smoking tire. And now back to the show. Sometimes it connected in like 10 seconds in the video, it takes real time, 45 seconds. And sometimes didn't connect at all. And which brought me to another point.

[Zach]

When you turn the car ON Before Apple CarPlay connects, what do you. Normal gauges, all that stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Blank screen, gauge cluster on the. To drive. You can drive, but the. The gauge. But blank screen everywhere else, which sucks because climate control and all that. Even though it's a scroll knob, you still need the display to know what's, you know. Wow. So that's, that's a pain. You can abort that at any time and go to like after maybe like 10 or 15 seconds, you can abort that process and go to Aston Martin gauges.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Like the defaul default screen, like the non carplay screen, which is fine. But it made me think about. I don't know if I said this like a few shows ago because we've done so many fucking shows so close together. And I'm sorry, I hope it doesn't diminish the quality of the show too much to have to do this volume of shows so close together.

[Zach]

But like, like once a year we have to do this. There's always just a trip stack up.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But like sometimes I just forget if I said stuff like when I came back from Atlanta and I was driving the. The 992.2 Carrera S. They're not using CarPlay Ultra for the time being. But what they've done is on there on the Porsche home screen, not the home screen. There's a dock on the left side of Porsche's screen that has nav phone carplay and settings. Right. And then like drive modes. Those are the five now in my Taycan, it's nav phone. Excuse me, Nav radio phone instead of nav radio carplay. So there's a. Essentially it's a touchscreen, but it's a hard button that's always there for CarPlay, that's important because with the heart, with that doc that has the main things there, it doesn't really matter. If Sirius XM is outside of CarPlay or inside of CarPlay, if you can toggle back and forth between them fast and if the interface is good. Right. So mine not having the CarPlay button on a dock is an extra series of button presses, which you do and you see me do all the fucking time. And that is clunky.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The new gen Porsches, all of them, 20, 24, 4 and up, have it. Have the dock now. So like, okay, that kind of. It essentially solves the problem that CarPlay Ultra is solving most of the time for the user.

[Zach]

I think. I think one of the things CarPlay Ultra is trying to push though, they solve the problem on the manufacturer side of, hey, you don't have to design a UI anymore. You don't have to like spend all this money to, you know, put these icons.

[Matt Farah]

I still do. Because not everybody has an Apple device.

[Zach]

Oh, that's true.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And if the Apple device doesn't work, you still need to be able to do shit. You still have to do all that. It's on top of that.

[Zach]

But do they do it to a lesser degree? Like, do they make their gauges and things simpler? Well, I don't, because they can hand it off to CarPlay.

[Matt Farah]

So so far we've only used it in Aston Martin and it's layered on top of Aston Martin's existing software. So. So I don't know if going back two years, Aston Martin developed this car from the ground up with CarPlay Ultra in mind or if they just are able to integrate it by layering it over. But. But if you don't use CarPlay Ultra, it's indistinguishable from what the DB12 had before. So they haven't dumbed it down because they expect Everybody to use CarPlay Ultra. Okay, but like, like, I'm sure that car, like, there's no way Apple will let this be this bad forever. There's like snow way, like. And you know, people have been like, you're not the only person to say this. Like, obviously I'm not the only person. We're not special. But like regular carplay, the reliability of it to this point now in most cars, along with a dock that allows you to go between your basics and CarPlay along with CarPlay, that stays in the last mode it was in when you left, that's important. Not just go back to your home screen and then have to find fucking Google Maps again. If you do that, it solves like most of the problems.

[Zach]

Do you think they'll be able to upgrade probably your car.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know why they haven't. It's that. That's one of those things that to me seems is no brainer. It's a touchscreen. Why can't you just load that?

[Zach]

I mean, wherever the back end. Yeah, programming is. Must be challenging to be hard to retroactively work with the whole system.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's like a thing where to a dumb person it seems easy, but to a smart person.

[Zach]

Thank you.

[Matt Farah]

I've just demonstrated Dunning Kruger.

[Zach]

Watch that video I sent you.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

No, I shouldn't talk about that one.

[Matt Farah]

I have just demonstrated Dunning Kruger. I go, how hard could it be? And anyone who spent five minutes on it could do an hour on why it's hard.

[Zach]

That's why I fixed my. My carplay. When I fixed my stereo a few weeks ago by using a different USB port and a new iPhone cable, it used to take like two minutes to connect and now it's just pops on.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So nice.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, it's the inconsistency. And we drove the dark horse. It worked. It works great.

[Zach]

They have that button. They have a new system.

[Matt Farah]

And so anyway, just back. Back to Vanquish. I hate to spend so much time on CarPlay, but it is a thing. And it happened in the Vantage too. It was not unique to this. You know, at first I was like, okay, maybe this car. This was like a pretty high mile press car. It was like a 6,000 mile. You know, for a $450,000 car to have that many miles on it, like, is a lot. Which also means. It also just means it's a very early car. So like maybe hiccups, whatever. The Vantage Roadster production car. Same shit. Exactly. And so some of this could be. So like, some of this could be Apple, some of this could be Aston. I don't know who's what, but here's where it started to get wonky. Just to finish off this bit is, you know, you spend the fucking however long setting it up with your phone. And with CarPlay Ultra, it does take longer. That set, that initial setup takes longer. There's more like data to transfer. And then when I got up, either to the mountains or to wherever, when I started getting in and out of the car a bunch and turning the car on and off a bunch, which. This is where we sort of veer into journalism problems, but. And the car started getting confused about connecting. Not connecting. Carplay, not car. The problem is it never fixed itself. That be then became a permanent problem. It couldn't find my phone ever again. So I did it over again and then it happened again when I spent it. Like I got in and out of it in within a few minutes like sequentially for running some errands and shit. And so it's not calibrated yet to a thing that's like not like super normal like in the car drive to work out of the car.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

But like it's well within the realm of possibility of a person running errands.

[Zach]

I wonder if they could put a setting on it that's like a sleep timer, you know, like you, your computer, you can set at what, what time you want hard drives to go to sleep and they could just give it a five minute window. Like if you run into the Laundromat, you're gonna be back in 92 seconds.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

But if it's, if it's slow to connect then, and you need your nav and especially if you're a less techy person, that can be very frustrating.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's annoying. Yeah. So it's just software. I mean I know that's, that's really simple but it, but software is better than hardware because you can always update the software, you know. So like, but another, and otherwise pretty spectacular and, and unique. You know, now that the, we haven't driven the 12C yet, they, they promised we're gonna get the one that comes to la. They're, they're on it. I think some of them are going to, of the year tests and then we're gonna, you know, have them after that. But based on, you know, what other people have said and you know, with 812, that's, that's a, that naturally aspirated thing is a unique thing. But also with the rear steer and the sharpness and all that kind of stuff, this has no rear steer, there's no hybrid anything. It's, it's probably the most like direct, you know, traditional drive of any of these type of cars. So pretty.

[Zach]

I kind of like that though.

[Matt Farah]

I do too.

[Zach]

It's like the 911 teeth. Well before they added rear steer, no rear steer.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, I mean I, I, I, it's, it's, it doesn't need rear steer, you know, it's not, it, I, you don't come out of it going, yes, it needs that, it's fine. What it needs is nose lift because it's very, very scrapy. Like probably the most scrapey car I've driven.

[Zach]

Dark horse is a little scrapey, but it's a plastic. It's plastic. It's plastic lip. Who cares?

[Matt Farah]

This is. This is scrapy carbon.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

No thanks.

[Zach]

Did you see Harris's story with his Solyndria adventure this weekend?

[Matt Farah]

I mean, I saw some photos that he had one.

[Zach]

He had one and he went to visit a friend and he put the key on the roof for whatever reason and then he drove away to like down the road a ways to a gas station. Incredibly, his friend went out in the road and went for a drive and found the key and it had been run over, but it still worked.

[Matt Farah]

Whoa.

[Zach]

Yeah, like it fell off. And Chris had turned the car off the square one.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Thought he might be stuck and fucked, but his friend found it.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And, you know, it's. It's literally seems like the exact perfect thing to throw up on there and have everyone see that you have a Ferrari.

[Zach]

I think it's pretty cool. I mean, now we have pictures up of other Ferrari keys. Like, this is a night. Nice svelte shape from the 488.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Probably cars before it. I think it's a cool evolution. The corners are just, like, sharp, square. It's very square.

[Matt Farah]

It's rectangular.

[Zach]

Yeah, but I mean, by the way.

[Matt Farah]

I don't want to be. I mean, I'm being. I'm being like. Like I'm saying something that sounds mean, but, like, it's. I'm not. I actually think it's like. I think it's like they're fun. They're finally just coming out with it. Like, they're finally just saying it. Like, this is a thing.

[Zach]

Well, I mean, look, the 481 is not exactly subtle. It's bright red. Says Ferrari. But you are right. This is even bolder because it's the shield, it's bright yellow, and it's got the horse.

[Matt Farah]

It's the whole thing.

[Zach]

It's like.

[Matt Farah]

It's like. It's the badge off my328 just as a key. And you just throw it up on the table like. Like as if it was your Zippo lighter. And. And now everybody knows because I, you know, I always describe a nice watch as a car that comes into the bar with you. This is. If you don't like watches, you can just bring a little bit of the car in with you. You. Yeah. Ferrari keys over time is a great search term. Oh, that's just. No, that's all the exotic cars. No, Mike. Yeah. That. That right there is what my key looks like. My key looks like it opened a master lock. You should see. Have you seen the Countach key?

[Zach]

No.

[Matt Farah]

It's like it.

[Zach]

I mean, tiny.

[Matt Farah]

It's crazy.

[Zach]

Like, It'll break, dude.

[Matt Farah]

It looks like it opens a hotel safe. It's like insane. You can't. You're like, wait, can I. This car is worth. How much? Can I get a better like, key cylinder or something? It's insane.

[Zach]

There's a. Oh, that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, the key on. Yeah. On ebay. Right there. That little. The red background on ebay. That's what the Countach key looks like.

[Zach]

Oh, that looks like it opens. Yeah. A master lock at a storage unit. Good. And that's for a 308. 328. That's a blank. Yikes. Yeah, they used to be simple and then they just put this. This housing around them.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Which has a little hat, little pope hat.

[Zach]

But you know, being Ferrari, that it's the same key blank. I'm sure it's like the aluminum, you know, frame, but these have the, like.

[Matt Farah]

The transponder thing in it and they have the immobilizer thing in it. I. That is. That's the Ferrari 430 key. I don't like that key at all. I think my favorite Ferrari key key is the 360 key, which if you Google Ferrari 360 key, it's a PR. I think is a pretty nice key. I haven't seen one photo of it yet in your search for. For other keys. And yeah, this little. The one. The ebay one. Yeah, that's what it looks like. It's metal and it's got this nice like a guitar pick shape, but it's sort of concave in the middle.

[Zach]

It's dished.

[Matt Farah]

Whereas the 431 looks like you puffed air into it and made it out of fucking plastic.

[Zach]

Also to note the 360 key, the key blade, let's call it, is oriented perpendicular to the face where you hold it, whereas the later. It's a parallel.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

So that's kind of. That's kind of trick.

[Matt Farah]

So this. That. I don't know what that is. Oh, that's just some weird. Oh, they just put. They made a housing for a 90s one for that. That's just like some custom job. But the 360 key is. Is very cool. I've seen people get like polished ones that. That look kind of chromey.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But I think that's a very nice key.

[Zach]

That's a very nice shape.

[Matt Farah]

That's a good key. Yeah. Of course, 360s, you have to do the dumb immobilizer, turn the power on, and then you have to hit the remote fob button. It's a dangly fob. And then. And then you start like every Lotus start. Yeah.

[Zach]

That's such a funny thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's like. That's the most, like, late 90s ever. Porsche 993s too. You can, you can, you can brick a 993 pretty easily if you up with the, with the immobilizer wrong.

[Zach]

Are we starting a plane? How do you brick it? What do you mean? Like, it drains the battery. If you.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, like, if the battery drains or if something like you, you're like, you have to do, like, silly things to get it to start again. It's annoying.

[Zach]

Oh, geez.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's happened to us once here and, like, car left on a flatbed dealer, like, we couldn't fix it. Yeah, it wasn't great.

[Zach]

Not fun.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, fortunately, it was manual, so you could push it. It's not like breaking a McLaren and you have to squirt a bunch of dawn on the floor.

[Zach]

Oh, there's no way to put into neutral.

[Matt Farah]

You don't remember when that happened?

[Zach]

Oh, I remember the door getting stuck.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So what happened is if you have McLaren and the battery dies, you have to pull the key apart and there's a tiny little key in there. And if you have in the earlier cars, you have to get into the fender well and like pop this thing out and get in there and it opens the trunk. It's like a whole mess. But yeah, if the car's locked, the calipers clamp down so you can't move it. Right. And so if it's bricked and you can't get into it, like, you can't get to the wheel well because our trays, the side things, you can't get go jacks in there because they're not wide enough. And you can't take a wheel off because there's a thing. And so basically, the solution is to squirt an enormous amount of dish soap on the floor and connect the tow hook to my Delica with an 85 horsepower diesel, put it in four by and drag it. And it's not dragging on the gearbox, dragging on the cow, it's dragging on the calipers. And in fact, once you break traction of about 2 inches, you then don't need the truck anymore. When it's on dish soap, you can push it by hand very easily.

[Zach]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Almost.

[Zach]

Feet don't touch almost.

[Matt Farah]

No, almost Too easily. Yeah, you have to. You actually have to, like. It's like starts to move sideways and shit. This is one of the scariest things.

[Zach]

I've ever done where this happened here.

[Matt Farah]

Here. Yeah. We now have, like. Like, the car didn't get damaged, but, like, we now have, like, rules about this. This only happened because the customer refused after repeated, repeated requests to get us the McLaren tender. And McLaren and Beverly Hills was out of stock, so we couldn't even go. So now we have a thing policy where if you have a McLaren, a Rolls Royce, a new Bentley, or a new Ferrari, all of which use proprietary tenders. If you have one of those and you don't provide us the tender, like, within after seven days. Because a McLaren battery, when full, will last 38 days. I only know that because there's a literal countdown on the display. So there's a whole thing looking at you going, 37, 36. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then brick. And then brick. That's. That's a I told you so counter.

[Zach]

I'm so hungry for some juice.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Geez.

[Matt Farah]

Wow. Yeah. So. So now we. If you don't. After seven days, I'm. I'm buying. And they're like a thousand dollars, and it's going on your bill because I'm not doing this again.

[Zach]

Because otherwise the solution is very risky to personnel and the car and everything. Yeah. Terrifying.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Wow. So shady. Yeah. The dish soap nationals, dude. And then, you know how hard it is to clean that much dish soap off the floor. So little dish soap in your sink turns into so much foam. Right.

[Zach]

When you try to. Yeah, yeah. You have to, like, scoop it up with a shovel.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, my God. You're mopping for hours. Hours. Yeah. You. You got a scoop, like, you're, like, shoveling it into dustpans, and then you're mopping like it's. You got a mop like, 12 times. It's crazy.

[Zach]

Jeez. You need to get a bunch of ducks and, like, rub them on the.

[Matt Farah]

Oh. And at this store, we don't have the. You know, at the other store, we have the Zamboni, the floor Zamboni. That's luxury living here. Because it's a small square footage. We still mop by hand. So you just kind of It.

[Zach]

I bet. I bet that would up the Zamboni. That just seems like too much soap.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know how.

[Zach]

I just. I would worry. I would scrape it first, and then.

[Matt Farah]

It would fuck up the Zamboni. I mean, it might get a little foamy clean.

[Zach]

It'll be real foamy.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think it would break it.

[Zach]

It'd be so fun. You could.

[Matt Farah]

You could have industrial grade. That Zamboni. That thing is. That thing's at a pretty easy life.

[Zach]

You could throw a foam party just while cleaning that up. Remember those? The dumbest. You want to destroy your house, make it smell terrible, and just give everyone some sort of staff. Throw a foam party in college, like, because the, the mystique of it. And the idea is, like, below the surface of the foam, everyone's touching, having fun, someone's down. That's not happening. No one did that. You want to go have sex? Have sex in your room. It's great. It's meant for that.

[Matt Farah]

You're getting chlamydia. But not intentionally.

[Zach]

Not in the fun way. Not in the fun way. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Those pictures of Bezos's foam party on his boat.

[Zach]

Ew. I remember I was reading this medical book I've been reading, and it talks about, like, wearing gloves if you're dealing with blood. And your skin is actually very protective in an emergency if you have to. But if you have an open cut, it could be a big problem. And I've always had this thought of, like, if I, if I caught AIDS by, you know, saving someone's life because their blood squirted in my eyeball or something, I'd be pissed because I didn't get it the fun way, Right. Be a bummer, right?

[Matt Farah]

I, I, I, I. Exactly.

[Zach]

And could I then go share needles and have a good time? Because I, I've paid up front.

[Matt Farah]

Front. I would say so.

[Zach]

All right. Probably. Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Don't do any of that saying. This is not. We're not doctors. We're as much qualified as, you know. We have about the same level of qualifications.

[Zach]

Your skin is a great blood barrier. You can drink blood as long as it's still warm.

[Matt Farah]

All right, so, but I, in scuba diving, I have a. What's called a. I have a bunch of specialties, right? So you. There's your main levels of scuba diving, you know, like, basic and advanced and.

[Zach]

Underwater, blah, blah, blah.

[Matt Farah]

All the underwater, underwater, on land, land dive especially.

[Zach]

I'm good at that.

[Matt Farah]

But they have, you know, like, wreck diving and search and recovery and blah, blah, ice diving. And there's different levels, deep water diving, et cetera. So from camp, I got a lot of specialties. One of them is dry suit diving, which is basically where you're in almost like a space suit, right? Your whole body is kept dry. It's a helmet and a full waterproof suit. And you wear like, like mesh shorts or sweatpants and shit in there. You stay dry.

[Zach]

It's meant for cold water. Stuff, Right. It keeps really cold.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, really cold. It's where. Where you basically like. Because you wetsuits really work and you can get all the way up to like a 7 millimeter wetsuit and it can be cold, but like ice diving is dry suit and stuff like that. Commercial diving, where you're down. You know, where it's like 40 degree water, but you're down there for an hour kind of thing. Anyway, what if there was a foam party but the foam was like 20ft high? Everyone's in dry suits just like, fuck it.

[Zach]

This is like Outbreak the movie costume party.

[Matt Farah]

You're in a dense but movable, walkable. Presumably some type of light penetrates.

[Zach]

It seems kind of fun.

[Matt Farah]

That's where I.

[Zach]

It's like a clean room party. That's what it sounds like. And like, why. But I'm also here for it. Sure. It'd be kind of fun because you're just pushing through the foam and you just happen upon people. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

What about a foam party in a car?

[Zach]

Has anyone ever done that by accident? Sure. Maybe.

[Matt Farah]

Must be. That must be somewhere.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

All right.

[Zach]

Yeah, that'd be fun.

[Matt Farah]

This must be a phone party. Must happen in a car at some point.

[Zach]

Larry Cassilla did it early when he's learning how to clean car.

[Matt Farah]

Did his car sell? How many days? I think there was only one day left.

[Zach]

Oh, really?

[Matt Farah]

I think. I think there's only one day. I just learned, while you're looking for that, I just learned that. That most of my racing equipment is like outdated. Like my actual racing helmet and my actual suit and stuff. Because I. I haven't. I haven't actually.

[Zach]

Oh.

[Matt Farah]

Ends in two hours and it's up to 2:15. Okay. Get that bag, Larry. I haven't actually raced like wheel to wheel in like five years, so I haven't had to like, tech my shit. My racing suit. Your racing suit, when it expires tech, it's obviously not just like instantly not usable, but it. But I hadn't thought to get a new one, so I'm on the racing team. Thread. I was like, I need a new suit. And other people were like, hey, let's get new suits. And so now it's. We're gonna get custom suits now.

[Zach]

Which is fun.

[Matt Farah]

Which is fun, apparently. No, but it's. Yeah, but remember Johnny came on the show and was talking about his fancy suit that he got. Apparently he's gonna get us discounts from them. So instead of like heinously expensive suits, they're gonna be regular price. Suits, but they're gonna have all the goodies.

[Zach]

Oh, that's cool.

[Matt Farah]

On them. So that'll be. I think that'll be cool. So, yeah, we'll have new suits, but hopefully it won't be too silly that I can't wear it, like, later.

[Zach]

No, no. One of my favorite racing suit stories, the only one really, is Proving Grounds Season 2. Lee Keane shows up. He's got a new custom suit. He walks up to all of us, and it's got, you know, the Proving Grounds logo was kind of 80s, like, purple pink graphics and stuff. So he basically took the names of all the obstacles we'd made and got them at, like, at an angle, repeating graphic across the whole suit. So it was, like, pretty sick. Yeah, it was like the, you know, the deer corner or whatever we called it in Cardboard Alley. And it just said that on the whole thing. We're like, oh, that's cool. Cool. And then we looked closer, and he had misspelled one of the words. And we go, why did you spell it that way? And he goes, what do you mean? And we fell off the chairs, man. It was the fun. I don't remember what word it was, but we. And it's, you know. And it's printed a hundred times. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Coming out of his dick. It was so funny. Oh, man.

[Matt Farah]

Said the one and only time he ever wore the suit. Could he not wear it again after that?

[Zach]

No, he still wore it. You couldn't see it. It was really funny. I forget, you know, he wore it for specific cars. Yeah. My suit is, like, 12 years old. Like, Musto gave it to me. But it's still. It's still allowed, is it? Yeah, but I bought new shoes, which are in the mail. And we'll get here for lemons.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I'm gonna get the. The new Google. The New Balance fireproof pit crew shoe. So I don't know about you, but my problem with most driving shoes is that they're fucking meant for, like, Indy cars. Like, I don't want, like, little fucking booties just because they need to be fireproof. I drive in sneakers. I want to keep driving in sneakers. Like, I cannot heel, toe in these little fucking booties.

[Zach]

Oh, interesting.

[Matt Farah]

Because they make my foot too narrow.

[Zach]

Good point.

[Matt Farah]

Because I do left side, right side, not heel and toe. So look at these. These are. This is meant for pit crew, but this is a New Balance sneaker. Made a Nomex.

[Zach]

Kind of wish I'd order these to try.

[Matt Farah]

This is the fucking tits right here, dude.

[Zach]

Regular S and you can walk around in them. Yeah, I feel like driver shoes. You shouldn't walk much, dude.

[Matt Farah]

When I do an endurance race and I have to wear my nomex, my racing shoes all day, because you got to do pit stops to go over the pit wall. You have to be wearing your shoes. My heels and my knees are so wrecked. It's all concrete after. After 24 hours of walking on concrete with nothing. I've ordered these, and I am so excited.

[Zach]

This is really, like. I really wish I had known about this. I just ordered some Sparko shoes.

[Matt Farah]

Well, you can return sparkle. You can return anything. Asked my wife how to return things.

[Zach]

Yeah, my brother really exploited Costco for a long time. Had five years return no matter what, and, man, he got a lot of new stereotypes.

[Matt Farah]

Well, we. Hannah and I have a new strategy. She finally came. It came to a head a couple weeks ago, and she was like, I think the problem is that I just buy everything, anticipating to return it. And she does. I mean, she. The problem isn't that she's buying too much. The problem is she buys all this shit. She returns 90% of it, and then the stuff that she keeps is only like, okay. And so she's like, instead had, like, a luxury shopping day with G and, like, tried. You bought more things in person that she thinks will, like, last her longer, whatever. But anyway, she can teach. Happily teach you how to return.

[Zach]

When do these arrive?

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. I clicked order, like, a couple days ago.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Finally. I finally. Yeah, I don't need them till November.

[Zach]

I'm, like, really curious because this price is similar to the Sparkos I bought, but when you're doing, like you said at lemons or these, like, you know, you don't have a pit crew. The drivers are all. You're on fire extinguisher, you're on fuel. You're helping drivers get in and out. And the racing shoes, just, like, I would like more traction when I'm working around oil and stuff like that. Having a little bit of.

[Matt Farah]

And more support.

[Zach]

And more support, you know? Yeah. And the wider shoe. I do the same thing. I do left side, right side, because I have a wide foot. But sometimes the, you know, the driver shoes squish a bit. It's like a ballet slipper.

[Matt Farah]

They make. Yeah, they make. They narrow my foot in a way that I don't. I don't actually want. I want my foot to be the shape it's supposed to be.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Or the shape of a sneaker. And we're racing production based Cars, they have, like regular ass pedal boxes, the same as a street car. I don't want to. I don't go drive my streetcar with little ass racing booty. I'd be better driving. I'm better driving barefoot. I'm not gonna do that racing. But like. But like, at least these are much more like my regular sneakers.

[Zach]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

That'll be good.

[Zach]

Very cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Super stoked.

[Zach]

What a good idea.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Finally, New Balance makes a move. I'm on board with. I'm still sour about the closing down of the customers.

[Zach]

I guess there's other.

[Matt Farah]

There are other pit crew shoes. Yeah. Not just New Balance. Looks like Sparko's got one. OMP's got one. But like, yeah, if you drive in endurance racing or track days or whatever, and you don't want a little tiny booty, there are options.

[Zach]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I'm curious how much like the pedal. What the pedal feel is like. So we'll see when they arrive.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, I can feel pedals pretty good through regular sneakers.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah. I'm wondering if they're firmer because they're. Because pit crew. Are they. Are they more durable, like a hiking boot where they're thicker or.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. I think. I think it'd be maybe like kind of like those day hiker type of. Type of things. As long as it's not like, it doesn't look like it's a super stiff boot. It looks like it's a sneaker.

[Zach]

Rad.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Cool.

[Matt Farah]

Anyway, we'll see how it is. Hopefully it works out and if not, well, back to the fucking.

[Zach]

Can return them.

[Matt Farah]

Exactly. Let's go to the people. Patreon.com the Smoking Tire podcast is where you upload. Oh, are we. It's time, right?

[Zach]

It's time. We're at 45. Can I show you one video? Oh, sure.

[Matt Farah]

I didn't know you had things. I'm sorry.

[Zach]

No, no, it's fine. We found plenty to talk about.

[Matt Farah]

But this.

[Zach]

This cracked me up so much.

[Matt Farah]

Mustang GT with creative exhaust.

[Zach]

I wish I didn't see how this.

[Matt Farah]

Is titled, but this is a new edge.

[Zach]

All right, wait, wait. Let me refresh this so that you get the whole thing.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. It's the video safety check on a Mustang gt. Notice there's goofy. It's got a goofy exhaust tip on it. What?

[Zach]

Okay, whatever.

[Matt Farah]

Is that off a motorcycle? It should have two exhausts. So it has one exhaust. Wonder what's going on underneath here. So we went under. Okay.

[Zach]

This is so funny.

[Matt Farah]

And look at this. Well, we got the quality welding job. Yeah.

[Zach]

Look at the length of that exhaust hanger. It's like eight inches.

[Matt Farah]

Get. Whoa. The exhaust is tack welded to the sway bar. What the. All over. What? You only afford to one pipe. So on the other side it'll be good. Oh, my God. Okay, wait. All right. All right. So what we've just seen is a person with a V8 Mustang GT convertible. And the headers go to the X pipe or H pipe. It's the mid pipe of the exhaust. Right. A lot of people. It's where the cats are. The cats come from the head. The headers are one piece in these car, and then the cats are the next piece. Right. The mid pipe. And they've just literally welded a cap onto one side. Now, I don't know if there's an H pipe there so it crosses over or if they've fully blocked the exhaust of one bank of cylinders.

[Zach]

I think the guy would have mentioned it, but. And it's a square piece of metal that's welded over that passenger side.

[Matt Farah]

I don't see the cross. Do you see the crossover?

[Zach]

I wish. It's hard to pause these things.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. No, I don't see a crossover pipe.

[Zach]

Maybe I can get it.

[Matt Farah]

That's fucking crazy, isn't it?

[Zach]

Like, everything about. And the exhaust hanger for the muffler is welded to the can. It's not like on a hanger or a clamp or anything. It's just welded right onto the can, which is polished. And then they just destroy it. And it's also hanging down, I mean, five inches from the bumper, like where it should be sitting.

[Matt Farah]

So when you first showed me this video which shows in the beginning the back of this car with this weird little motorcycle muffler thing on it, I thought you were going to show me that had like some little puny, like Cuba engine in there, you know what I mean? Like some like Russian tractor engine in there that's just like barely holding this thing together. Not a. Not a V8 with half of its exhaust is.

[Zach]

Okay. Is this a crossover pipe right here?

[Matt Farah]

Okay. If that. If that pipe on the right is the capped pipe.

[Zach]

It is.

[Matt Farah]

Then yes. That's the H part of the H pipe.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

It's a 1 inch crossover pipe and that. So that's all of the exhaust is being shoved through that. That's fucking crazy.

[Zach]

That must sound weird. And if someone knows, if you're listening, like, I mean, all the exhaust is going out the side. So does it all. Does it create back pressure on the Closed side. Oh, it must be so slow. Terrible. I just thought this was so funny. And it's. This is a perfect example of comedy heightening. Matt. It's like you think the cans bad, Then you think that the. The exhaust pipe resting on the sway bar, which it seems to be, like, melting into, is bad. No, no, no. The end, the finish line is where the magic happens.

[Matt Farah]

That's what's funny. You know what it made me think of, though? As when I was a kid, when I was 16 or 17 looking to buy Mustangs, you know, there was a. Before the existence of the Internet, but before the modern Internet, certainly. I just drove. I drove around with my dad to all the local Ford dealers. That was the first place I went to look for Mustangs. And I got to Rye Ford, which is right around the corner from my high school, and I asked if they had any Cobra coupes. That's what I wanted. Do you have any Cobra coupes? No, we don't. I don't. But let me show. I got a GT convertible. I don't want a GT R. Let me just show you. We go out and he takes me to a V6 Mustang, and I go, this is not a GT. This is a V6. He goes, no, it's a GT. And I go, come to the back. I'm 16. There's one exhaust tip here. GTs have two. No, no, this is.

[Zach]

This is a GT special edition.

[Matt Farah]

Matt popped the hood, and I counted spark plug wires, and I was like, this is a V6. Educate yourself and, like, close the hood. I left.

[Zach]

Do you think he's trying to pull an over on you or do you think, okay, that's a shit bag?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was crazy. I was. It was one of the most aggressive, like, flagrant lies I've ever seen someone.

[Zach]

Tell my favorite sales story, which was not a lie. It was of someone who doesn't know what they're doing is I went to drive an O2 WRX wagon that was at a Dodge dealership. It had been traded in. And the guy is like, yeah, we can take it for a drive. And we're driving. And he looks up at the sticker window that's right in front of him, and he goes, well, this thing's all wheel drive, because the sticker said 4 All Wheel Drive on it. And he was being genuine. He had no idea. He's like, I sell Dodges. I don't know what I'm doing. This was in Colorado. All the Subarus have all wheel drive.

[Matt Farah]

When I bought my Volt here in la. And they set me up with the Volt specialist at the dealer and there was one sitting on the showroom floor and I opened the door and look in and it indicated that it had a full battery. You know, even when it's off, the battery thing would come up. And I asked if I could power it on and just like poke around the ui. And they said, oh, you can't start the car inside. I said, why? And they're like, well, the exhaust. I said, it's, it's, it's electric. It's a hybrid assist. But it won't turn off. It's electric. There's no emissions. He goes, oh, no, we, we can't possibly. I go, you're the Volt expert. You should be emphasizing that you in fact can do this. And I was like, you know, this is like kind of nuts. And I, you know, I wanted the fucking Volt and there it was. So ultimately I did buy it from this idiot. But yeah, he did not know that you could power this on without the engine coming on. Crazy. Patreon.com the Smoking Tire podcast is where you ask us questions for the live stream and an fact watch the livestream. You can only watch the livestream if you're a patron. It's also where you get the show the day it's recorded. And rather than waiting for everything else, you can get it without ads. You can get extra show and a whole lot more. Christian says, I bought a Christopher Ward C63 GMT. Can you get a picture of that, Zach? Would you consider it a homage watch to the Rolex Explorer? First off, Chris Ward makes a great watch. I was at one of these watch shows recently and I tried on a few of their watches. I really like some of what they're doing. And yes, the Sealander GMT 36, it's in the style of the Explorer II, particularly with that stainless steel bezel, which I gotta say, it's awfully copycatty font on those on that bezel. It also has the orange hand and the white dial and we all know where that comes from. Doesn't mean it's not a nice watch, but yeah, that's. That is among the more tributey watches out there. But it's a still nice watch and so you should enjoy it. And they make some other shit. They're new, the Bel Canto is sick and they have a, a decompression timer that is really, really cool. Fun summer watch. Yeah. Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should says is the five Year replacement for tires. A hard and fast rule. On Michelin's website it says that tires can go up to 10 years as long as you inspect them annually. After five years, I think that's fair. Particularly if you're talking about the entire population. If you're talking about an average car kept in ideal conditions and looked after regularly, yes, tires can go longer, you know, if they're, if it's, if the car is kept indoors, if they're not dry rotted, if, if it's a car where like, like for instance, like Hannah's Delica, the car lives inside, it's never driven very fast. We certainly aren't pushing the handle in. We're never driving it in snow. You know, they're regular tires, they're Falken wild peak, slightly off roady tires. We put them on, on 2019 and I think I can probably get another year out of them, you know, before I replace them for that event. Like, yeah, the tires can go a little longer. If you're driving a high performance car in high performance situations. Get the fucking good tires, man. Don't, don't push, push, don't push your tires. I mean it's, it's a circumstantial thing. Like how important is it that your tires need to be optimized?

[Zach]

I wonder how much like if you put a tire outside in SoCal where the sun's really intense and the UV is intense, and then you put one outside in Washington. I wonder like if you could time lapse that for 10 years, see how you know which one gets more British.

[Matt Farah]

A test that studies that like I'm.

[Zach]

Sure the tire companies have. So if you work at one, let us know. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Domesticated Jaguar XJS says the what are the wildest non car activities at manufacturer hosted car events? Example, the petting zoo at Camp Rivian. That's the first time heard of them.

[Zach]

I think that's funny.

[Matt Farah]

It doesn't surprise me. Is that a made up like joke or is that a really, you know, I think it. You'd hear about stuff that happened back in the day that was like kind of wild. There isn't like real crazy shit anymore. There's like, in terms of like wildest. It's more like you would drive one way and they put you on like a seaplane or something to go back or like, I mean, I guess building the yurts in the middle of the desert in Morocco for Dakar is like, that's pretty wild, I guess. But, hmm, what else is wild?

[Zach]

There's like Helicopter stuff like Lamborghini will helicopter you to thermal, which is like an hour long drive at the right time of day and then you drive and then fly back or something like that.

[Matt Farah]

It's not an hour long drive at the right time of day. There's no time of day at 3.

[Zach]

O' clock in the morning.

[Matt Farah]

There's no time of day. You can get to thermal in an hour and a half. You have to break every law.

[Zach]

Well, I'm following Matthew's law from the Bible and so I'm breaking the law.

[Matt Farah]

I just did. I just really thought Chuck Walla was 2 1/2 hours and Chuck Walla is 3/2 hours. Abs. Every bit of 3 1/2 hours.

[Zach]

Except for that one time we drove back from there.

[Matt Farah]

I do recall that that's a.

[Zach]

The Rivan petting zoo was, was real. It was Camp Rivian. Yeah, I found some pictures on Reddit. So it was like customers could drive cars and off road and then sure enough, here's a guy petting a mini horse.

[Matt Farah]

When I become president of Rivian, I'm going to have make sure there's ostriches. And here he moves at every event in every car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When I, when I, when I begin elected, Chris from. Oh, Greg Norton says Mary. Okay, wait, wait, wait. Mary Bara hires you to revamp the entire lineup.

[Zach]

All 400 cars. All.

[Matt Farah]

All 90 cars.

[Zach]

You want to go by size or do you want to go by what, what change?

[Matt Farah]

All right, how about this? What are. Here, let's refine that question to something that's actually reasonable for this podcast. What are three changes we would make to the General Motors lineup? I. Well, no one's gonna like them. All trucks are getting smaller. Every single truck is instantly shrunk by 10%. All of them across the board. Every truck.

[Zach]

We're also, I would continue development of ev.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Which right now they're probably not.

[Matt Farah]

They're. They're. And their EV crossovers are like pretty nice. Like the Equinox and Blazer ev, like those are pretty nice. Their architecture is good. Like they did the Volt. Like there's. I'd bring back the Volt.

[Zach]

Oh yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I would bring back the Volt and I would make it awesome. I'd put money into it. Again, hybridization is cool right now. Everyone understands what a plug in hybrid is. You could go back and fucking reinvent the plug in hybrid.

[Zach]

Yeah. Follow Toyota's model.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I would bring the Camaro back smaller. Just make it smaller. Don't. Don't chase The Mustang in terms of size, which I know would mean it wouldn't sell as well because we'd have a smaller trunk. But it's just the car got so big. Big, and it was a great thing to drive.

[Matt Farah]

And actually, Greg jokes after bringing back the Tracker convertible, beach cars are hot right now. They are, I think, as a. I think doing a. Either a neighborhood electric vehicle and embracing mobility with a Tracker could be fucking. With Gen Xers retiring, I think you could sell a lot of those.

[Zach]

You know, I would just pivot the Blazer hard and go chase Bronco and Wrangler because we see Broncos. Granted, we're in SoCal, but, like, that's a beach vehicle, even if it's a capable off road vehicle. So turn the Blazer back into that.

[Matt Farah]

Chris from Colorado says, just rewatch the ammo video of your Countach detail. That's from like five years ago, maybe six at this point, with the full engine rebuild, have you thought of respraying the car so it's nearly a full restoration? And what color would you go with? When I first talked to Tamarion a year and four months ago, I asked about that. I said, the car is completely disassembled. It'll never be closer to disassembled than it is right now. Is this the time to repaint the car? And he said a cosmetic restoration on a Countach costs $125,000. And every time, that's what he said, what it costs and plus whatever you're spending on the mechanical. And he said, what would probably happen is after spending all that money, I would end up with a car that was so perfect I was afraid to drive it. And he said, given that my car is original and given the fact that I want to keep driving it, I should leave it originally, touch up whatever I can't live with, have a fresh mechanical car and keep driving it. And if I ever want to sell it, look into putting that money in then, because it could probably return 200 on the other end. But I had absolutely no interest in spending that kind of money, nor could I if I wanted to in this car. And I think there's something pretty cool about having original paint and just keep driving it. The rock chips don't bother me. I don't give a shit. But they said it's nearly impossible to remove Countach's glass without breaking some of it. And it's fucking impossible to replace. It's nearly impossible to remove Countach's interior without tearing the leather. And it's really hard to replace it with that and get it to match. He said, just, he said shit always goes wrong when you start taking them apart and you end up with insane while you're in there. That just fucking completely spiral out of control. He's like, yours is pretty good. You know, it's not a piece of shit. It's like, it's a nice car. You know, you can touch it up as needed and it's fine. But if I plan to drive it for the next 25 years, fuck it. It's red gold. If we were to change the color, I would change it to a green gold.

[Zach]

That would look good like that.

[Matt Farah]

Like an emerald green with the gold and the tan interior and it would be fucking so sick. Zach's herniated disc dedicated track day car Dark Horse R versus Cayman Club Sport. The track is Road America. I'm currently driving a model heavily modified Cayman looking to upgrade to a factory race car for no reason other than fun. That's interesting.

[Zach]

Yeah, well, didn't we talk to people after we drove the BGB Cayman? Some folks like when you start really pushing these cars, especially with speed and you can fix that with aero, but like their suspension geometry just gets a little bit wonky when you really hit that limit. So I don't know if that happens with Dark Horse R. I haven't driven one that hard. But I would choose Dark Horse Ridge just for sound at Road America alone. Long straights, big speed. I'd be there all day.

[Matt Farah]

I think I'd probably rather have the Dark Horse for Long Road America. The power would make a difference. Cayman race cars are great for, for smaller tracks. Like they're not horrible on the Road America, but like you'd run out of power. Unless he's Talking about a GT4RS club sport, which I don't think they, I don't think think they are. I would consider, I mean a Dark horse R is 150 grand. For 150 grand you could get a pretty interesting used cup car. Like I would sort of skip over a Cayman Club Sport and go straight to cup car at that point. Because that money would get you into a cup car. Not one with like pedigree or anything. But you don't want, you don't want that.

[Zach]

You want to drive it. Yeah, good point.

[Matt Farah]

So like I would maybe consider that. Or if it's literally not going to be street driven ever, for 150 grand you can buy radicals. I mean prototype B type. Now I, I totally understand wanting to buy a street based car. You Know, and not a race car. Race car. But like it's on the table. It's a lot of money.

[Zach]

True. Depends on if you're going to trailer it or drive it. And what's great is that at that amount of money, you can choose. What kind of driving do you want? Front engine, radicals, like that's a full arrow situation. Mid engine is going to feel like a crazy go kart. Or you can have a streetcar experience.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, I mean, I think that you're on the right track for sure. And man, I mean, the dark horse r would be. If you want a pretty, you know, know no frills, but also Mustang. I mean, no headache. I'm pretty sure you get a powertrain warranty on it. You know, for. For Road America, that would be a very good time because you got big straights. You probably hit. I bet you hit 140 twice and 150 once at that track in one of those.

[Zach]

Yeah, because. Because warranty is a good point. Which brings up. You could buy someone's cool race car thing, but then you have to maintain cool race car thing. And if the engines too complicated, finding someone who can service that might be a challenge. So keep that in mind.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. Probably dark horse. Unless you want to race other, you know, other Caymans specifically like those. Those have a place everything clean but the ash trail. Any advice or discouragement for putting a lift in my home garage? There are some uncomfortably inexpensive options available. Pennsylvania. No earthquakes. I mean, if you have the room and you don't mind. I don't. I don't see any reason against. I wouldn't buy the cheapest one out there. But most of them are kind of the same. Most of them are essentially Chinese products. They use similar hydraulic motors. They're similar quality. I just, I wouldn't get the cheap. Cheapest. But you don't need to buy the most expensive one either, particularly if you don't have earthquakes. But measure carefully. Measure very, very carefully. And even if you don't have earthquakes, I would still bolt it to the floor. Like, I'd still do that part of it. But yeah, no, if you've got. If you've got room, go for it for sure.

[Zach]

Because you could. If you have a car in the air and then you're pulling your other car in, God forbid you bump one of those corners like you make your own earthquake.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

Now you have two big problems that are colliding with each other. So.

[Matt Farah]

Sure. Live axle Rose.

[Zach]

I love that name.

[Matt Farah]

Very good.

[Zach]

Sounds great.

[Matt Farah]

Recommendation for a 30k car that will see some track time on a two mile course in rural Michigan where the pavement is in rough sheet shape. Would be driven infrequently and I don't want to be constantly doing repairs. So reliable is important. Nice. If it had a back seat option.

[Zach]

C5Z06 back seat. Oh, right, sorry. Then Mustang. Like 201112 Camaros. Something with mods on it with stock engine that'll run for a long, long time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Spec E46.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's a good choice too.

[Matt Farah]

Pavement is in rough shape. What car takes bumps really well?

[Zach]

I mean I feel like that's really a spring weight. Spring. Spring weight, spring rate situation. Especially if it's like if it has aftermarket coils then you have to choose your springs.

[Matt Farah]

Base Caymans. We're just talking about base game.

[Zach]

Back seat though.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, back seat. You're right. 30K996 I really think Mustangs and Camaros are your best options here. I mean you, you. Anything that's a.

[Zach]

And you're in rural Michigan.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, anything. One le Mag ride. Yeah, you know, Mag ride. You're going to be able to handle bumpy roads pretty well.

[Zach]

Dude, if you could get an SS1 LE at that price, that's a great car.

[Matt Farah]

And look, stock Mustang GTs actually like a stock one will ride very well even with performance pack will ride very well on bumpy roads. They're meant. They're actually meant for that. Most people, you know, make them stiffer to ride to handle better. But if you're driving on bumpy roads, they ride really good. Dance of the carvoyance an update on the inherited C4LT1 auto drove it home and it's surprisingly lovely. The tires are 19 years old with good tread. Holy shit. Are the tires absolutely necessary to replace? If I only plan on driving this thing twice a year with a top speed of 60 and no aggressive driving, the whole trip is about 10 miles round trip. You're not gonna like this. Yes. 19 years. 19 years is unacceptable. You absolutely. Because it's not hand. Like here's When a tire's that old, the smallest, this edge of pavement, you're having a blowout. You're not having. If you catch a nail, you're having a blowout. You're not having a regular flat.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Like, dude, if you're going to have a fucking free car, cough it up and get a set of tires.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Like you got a car for the price of the tires. That's how you think about that. This is this is your own life.

[Zach]

That's good boy math. But it's true. And I'm glad this person wants to keep it for a bit because I remember they asked the question originally. Like they're like hey, I don't know. And they drove it, they fell in love. Great. Just take care of it.

[Matt Farah]

Look, it's a funky cruiser. Nothing wrong with a funky cruiser. But like you, you cannot roll on 19 year old tires. You just. You just can't. Not in a Corvette. Montana LLC CEO the board just voted no confidence on him. By the way, what is was your top automotive bucket list activity?

[Zach]

Top one. My top one is to do the Baja 1000. Whether I don't know if I'll ever be rich enough or healthy enough to do that. Driving the nerve ring is a great second place. Like doing a not even a race. I would just want to drive it for like a full day or two and just do lessons and stuff. Oh, and Colorado Hill climb. That one in the dirt that seems attainable. There's wort one that doesn't cost that much money and I just want to run a V8 something that just fires gravel out the back.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Who do we get a rally car from Craigslist. Shit. Okay, work on that. We should return my E320 free.

[Zach]

Yes, free.

[Matt Farah]

320 into a rally car.

[Zach]

It's a convertible engine.

[Matt Farah]

It's a convertible.

[Zach]

Yeah, well cage.

[Matt Farah]

I don't want a cage. Cage convertible, four seater. That's not optimal.

[Zach]

Not optimal when my engine inevitably explodes.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, my top top bucket list is not one single thing. It's be on the fucking masthead of road and track. And. And then the last by my last week starting 911 Monday. Wednesday is a Zinger 21C. Friday is Mustang GTD and GT3 race car. That's one week there it is. Don't we don't. We don't need to go to the nervous ring for that. We do. But that's fun too for other people. Like Monaco Grand Prix is worth seeing. Car week is worth seeing. Bonneville speed week is worth seeing an F1 race once. Daytona 500 once or Indy 500 do rally school. It is so fun doing a rally school. Yeah, yeah, try. At least try wheel to wheel racing. You know, even at the lemons level it's. It's less intimidating.

[Zach]

Dude, I'm doing it next weekend. It's so fun.

[Matt Farah]

You're racing lemons next weekend?

[Zach]

Yeah, 28th.

[Matt Farah]

Where?

[Zach]

Button Willow.

[Matt Farah]

Oh really? And with Lucker's team. Oh, I didn't Know this next weekend. Oh, I'm. When I'm gone. Yeah, I'm gone. I'm doing all the driving. Yeah, I will not want to do any driving for my.

[Zach]

We'll see how much driving I do not. You know, hopefully the cars are good.

[Matt Farah]

And dude, after last, after last week, the flip. The flip side of last week is my trainer Sean, fucking shout out to him. Fit like Sean on Instagram at. Yesterday when we were training, he was like, dude, your hips and quads and hamstrings are so fucked up.

[Zach]

Super tight.

[Matt Farah]

And I was like, yeah, all I've done since I last saw you was drive. Drive cars. Like, that's it. And he's like, do people know how bad this job is for your health? And I was like, I think so, but they don't like to hear me complain about that. So I stopped and I was like, like, they're like, he's like, this job is really bad for your health.

[Zach]

It's like sitting at a desk, but if you lifted your leg a lot so you're. You're activating the hip flexor more, which just tightens it. Tightens and tightens it. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Piggly Wiggly Deluxe says after driving a few different evs, they've ruined ice dailies. For me, the delay in throttle, the shifting and etc is frustrating. Yeah, yeah. Anyone who's had a daily EV pretty much determines that combustion engine daily drivers are worse than EV daily drivers. As long as you got somewhere to charge it, it's smooth, it's quiet, you get places a little more relaxed. If you have one pedal drive, you're chilling a little more. Very nice roof. Yellow lead burner. Superb. If you had free paint to sample coupons with no restrictions, what would you buy or build now?

[Zach]

Does this mean free car and free pts?

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. Free Pete, the most expensive PTS I can think of is. Is a clear thing on a clear carbon on a Pagani.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah. I was gonna say like $911,000 with something with some PTS. Color.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach]

But yeah, I forgot that we could go up to like the green. Green tinted carbon.

[Matt Farah]

The green tinted Singer.

[Zach]

Singer. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Or if it's an. If it's. We're talking 9.11pts. South Seas Blue Metallic, please. On the 911. St. Matt is addicted to cheesing. Once neuralink is established and proven, would you get it? Absolutely fucking not.

[Zach]

We need. I think we also need to clarify what established proven means. Like 20 years without any sort of hiccup where no one's Brain rejects it and they die. And by then I'll be too old to have it implanted anyway, so.

[Matt Farah]

Listen, I don't even want a Alexa in my house.

[Zach]

Okay. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, we don't. I don't need any of this. No. I don't need my. I don't need a connected body. No. Hard. Hard. No. And not just because it's Elon Musk and he's a shy grit. Not because of that.

[Zach]

Let's just say it's not attached to him. Would you ever like any chip in your brain if you do anything? No.

[Matt Farah]

No. Do not require this at all. I don't even. I'm not that even. I wore the whoop strap for a couple months. I don't even like what it had to say.

[Zach]

I was gonna ask you actually.

[Matt Farah]

It told me some shit about myself. You can have it.

[Zach]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

I told it. It told me some shit about myself that I already fucking knew.

[Zach]

It's like a bad horoscope reading.

[Matt Farah]

I don't need fucking. I don't need a bit of data to go. You' should sleep more that. I don't need a thing to tell me that. No. Maybe when there's like, when it. I. I would one day maybe consider a couple generations down the road. I would consider maybe the. Or the aura ring if it was like, really for like, you know, war. If it could really have like, not like, pick up all the warning signs of like, some really bad shit's about to go down. Right.

[Zach]

You know, like that blood cell count chol.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, some really bad shit's about to go down, you know, and you need to know about it.

[Zach]

Service dog that's trained for that.

[Matt Farah]

I think that'd be fucking better.

[Zach]

I'd rather have that. The only thing I think a.

[Matt Farah]

Can I have a service cat that just like. Like fogging with on the chest when I need to go.

[Zach]

You got to know. It's like the certain. It's not just wanting scritches. It wants your attention to call 91 1.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Hard to determine.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

The only thing. It'd be cool if you could just speak every language with neuralink. But now the AirPods announced.

[Matt Farah]

Announced.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Battlefish.

[Zach]

Well, that. But now they're gonna have like live Translate through Apple AirPods which.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy.

[Zach]

Hurts Babelfish and Duolingo is like God damn it.

[Matt Farah]

So I would like. I would like to try using that. That. That to me would be pretty incredible.

[Zach]

I think. I think it'll be like a little clunky, but it's Very cool.

[Matt Farah]

I mean even just the, the camera one.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Google Translate camera. God. I mean that's a, that's a game changer.

[Zach]

Traveling now with Google Translate, if I need to ask an important question to an air or whoever, it's so helpful to be able to write and I show it to them and they can help me instead of me gesturing and pantomiming and all that stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Jacking. Off the record, I haven't seen this. Thoughts on the new Porsche design paint to sample watch? Is it just. Yeah. Oh, this is, it's not some new thing. Yeah. If you get, if you get a Porsche design watch paired with your, your paint to sample car, I think, I don't think it has to be a GT3.

[Zach]

Oh. So they just paint the ring.

[Matt Farah]

They will paint the, what's called the, the rehoat ring to match your, your shit and they'll also give you, I think a matching strap and I think maybe something on the case back as well is painted something else is painted to.

[Zach]

But yeah, okay.

[Matt Farah]

I very much like Porsche design watch. And I've a bunch of times considered, you know, if the price was right I would get one of those. But every time I can, I really think about it more. I'm like, when am I gonna wear it instead of what I've got already? And it never seems to win that equation.

[Zach]

I think I like this style. What is it? Chrono, where it's got like all the different dials and stuff, but there's so many different places I could get that kind of watch.

[Matt Farah]

I don't use chronographs. I mean Porsche design watches are real watches. They're Swiss made. They're. It's, it's, it's not. It's really the only brand that gets a full on pass with the car overlap thing. But I just, they even offered me one at a ridiculously good price at one point and I was just like, I just don't know when I'm gonna wear this thing. But if you want a Matchy Matchier car, I'm pretty sure Spike got a Matchy Matchy on their st. He got a Matchy watch watch with it. And yeah, I think if you go on ebay you can get these, get those for like pretty cheap and you know, at like three grand used now, now we're, now we're talking. I think Ali got a good deal on one used formula one time at band camp.

[Zach]

So good. Wait, like it was like American Pie, which is like. Remember that one time at band Camp. I stuck a flute.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, Formula one. Oh.

[Zach]

Formula one time.

[Matt Farah]

Formula one time.

[Zach]

Formula one time. At Bandcamp.

[Matt Farah]

I think if. Maybe if the. If he wrote. If they wrote out the word O N E, I might have interpreted the joke better. But if you speak it, it's funny. Nice one. Am I familiar with the song Dune Buggy by the Presidents of the United States of America? So I fucking hate the Presidents of the United States of America.

[Zach]

Really?

[Matt Farah]

That fucking Peaches song is that album so much.

[Zach]

When I was in high school, that.

[Matt Farah]

Song really reinforces to me that I could never be a musician, because if I wrote that song, I would then go, this is garbage, and throw it in the trash. I wouldn't be like, I need to call a record label now. No way.

[Zach]

They also might have just written it as jokes and then it just became successful. That could happen, too.

[Matt Farah]

That could happen, too. That happened with. I just saw it. I just saw a documentary about. Was it the Billy Joel documentary? I think it might have been Billy Joel documentary where there was, like, the song that wasn't going to be a big hit, and then it was a big hit, and he was like, ugh, I have to go make a music video for this now. Yeah.

[Zach]

Well, Sarah and I had dinner with Misha Mansoor and his chick on Sunday, Sarah. And we were talking about bands, and they said that one of the stories of Alien Ant Farm was that they all disliked each other so much during their big tour that they had separate tour buses for each of them. Wow. And my three thought was they were that successful that they could have individual tour buses. So for a moment, they copied Michael Jackson. The song caught fire, and they went, oh, shit, we're making loot. Like, let's make this work for a year until we fade into existence. So I wonder if, you know, presidents of United States of America did the same thing with Peaches and they just hit it.

[Matt Farah]

Maybe. What would be a good song to play every time your car started? So what's the first song in the Alphabet in your itunes list? That's the one we have to live with most often, right?

[Zach]

It used to be Motorhead.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Ace of Spades. Can't listen to that song anymore. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Well, now I have that song. That's a very good song. You have that as well.

[Zach]

I don't have it anymore, but I know it's just silent, right?

[Matt Farah]

It's very important. The silent song. That's the best. The perfect song to play when you start your car is no fucking song at all. Still, I still got that same CD in the Vanquish, track one, Salisbury Hill. Peter Gabriel. Gets you in a driving mood. Does get you happy. Yep. But. Okay, hang on. Stiggy Pop says. Oh, I recently pulled my dad's 1975 Seiko 5 out of a drawer, put a new crystal on it, and started wearing it. It's never been serviced, but keeps taking time just fine. Should I spend the quote value of the watch on a service or let it ride? Do you have a photo of that watch?

[Zach]

Zach.

[Matt Farah]

Here'S the thing. The value on that watch is. It's priceless. It's your dad's, right? Assuming. Assuming there's some kind of connection to your dad that is important about this watch.

[Zach]

Huh? There's at least one.

[Matt Farah]

No. Yeah, right. But like, like, is it. Is it. Did your dad, like, throw it away? Is it junk to your dad or did your dad die and you're going through his things and you found it, like, how special is it? Because, yes, this watch is like, not a valuable watch and it would probably cost you a couple hundred dollars to fully service the watch from Seiko. But it's your dad's watch. And like, you want to keep it running right now. If it's running good now, do you need to service it preventatively now? No. You could send that watch back to Seiko in Mawa, New Jersey at any time and they'll have the parts to service that watch. They could service it even if it just is totally seized and stops. So wear it until it stops keeping good time and then have it serviced. You won't cause any damage to it by just wearing it. And it's not, not rare enough that parts won't exist. Like Seiko has all the parts in the world to service that watch. So it's a good thought. Wear it in good health. Construction delay. Construction delay.

[Zach]

That's great.

[Matt Farah]

Delay.

[Zach]

We have a construction delay.

[Matt Farah]

For a young professional. Should I get a996 base with the IMS issues fixed or a BRZ TS?

[Zach]

I think 996.

[Matt Farah]

A996 provided if it has to be in the shop for something longer than expected for some reason. You still have some other way to get to work.

[Zach]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Like taking an Uber for a few days or taking the train for whatever isn't like such a hardship. That's what I'm trying to say. You know what I mean? And also, like some costs, because 996 is going to be expensive to service.

[Zach]

That's true. I mean, TS is a lot of Fun. It just like I don't like it as a commuter because it's loud on the highway. It's a really fun car. And if you're a professional, maybe you already know you're going to become a Porsche person anyway. So you could just spend a little time with Toyota Subaru before you never go back.

[Matt Farah]

High subseats. That's like that Instagram. There's an Instagram heist.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. If you were tasked with remaking Rendezvous in LA at three in the morning, what car would you do it with if you couldn't overlay the sound With a Ferrari.

[Zach]

A rally car. Yeah, a rally car.

[Matt Farah]

Or like that totem GT thing. That would be fun.

[Zach]

That would be pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Oh, that. And that was soft enough that it would absorb LA's imperfections or I mean, I've said it before, like the hoonigan, the, you know, lift it a little bit. Yeah, yeah. You need ground clearance here.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Because some of the intersections in LA have these huge, you know, dips where like the rain gutters are and everyone slows down, even crossovers, let alone sports cars. Like you could take off your oil pan. Rally car, actually.

[Matt Farah]

I mean the real, the real way to do it would be a Mach E rally. So you could do it like silently too. That, that's true Mob.

[Zach]

That's the best way to do it and get away with it. And then you can't dub the sound. So.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Dre from Houston says. Wait, what? I don't have an answer for that one. I'm sorry.

[Zach]

I also think Ronin was intended to have a. Like they spent money on that car chase.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. What cars and movies come to mind that end up being heavy in automobilia that didn't intend to be. Be Ronan's not a good example of that. I think Ronin is intended to be.

[Zach]

I also don't think Bullet's a good example. Like they was like a 12 minute car chase. That was a big focus of that film.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

The movie sucks, but that's not withstanding. But both of those. They in the car chases were like fixtures and action highlights of each of those movies. I mean that was a climax of Ronin was a chase.

[Matt Farah]

I mean maybe something like Top Gun where his motorcycle and the Porsche 356, you know, did become iconic in their own way.

[Zach]

Maybe the rock kind of. I mean the rock. The car chase was three minutes.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And the rest of the film is full of action, of course. But we all remember, you know, Ferrari flying out a window. You know, you Stole in my Humvee, all that stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Pulp Fiction has certain, certain iconic automotive scenes.

[Zach]

Even though the question there would be, do people who are not nerds like us notice the cars in Pulp Fiction or is it just us with, you know, NSX and the Wolf?

[Matt Farah]

Probably just us. Heavy. Or that didn't intend to be.

[Zach]

James Bond.

[Matt Farah]

I was incredibly obvious.

[Zach]

Well, some even the ones that weren't sponsored by est.

[Matt Farah]

Martin James. Yeah.

[Zach]

Fast Five. You know, it intended to be a heist movie, but it actually turns into a car film.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I gotta spend more time on that one. That's like the. Those type of questions are hard because it's like search your entire brain database for a sort of left field question.

[Zach]

You know what would help with that? A neuralink.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, if I just became AI. Yeah, that's what. That's what if. Yeah. Why have a podcast? I could just become AI. I have. I like there's no like none of that like 80s Spielberg stuff, right? Like there's no interesting cars in like in like ET or any of that shit.

[Zach]

All bicycles.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And you, you know, someone out there is like, like some snobby old person with questionable politics. Probably watches Indiana Jones and they'd be like, you know the Mercedes that they're driving right now is actually like a Nazi sled. Yes, I do. Because of the flags.

[Matt Farah]

Risky Business, maybe?

[Zach]

Oh, definitely 928, right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah, I guess you could have a little John Hughesy in there.

[Zach]

Was it weird science that had the Mondial they got at the end? Is that weird?

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah, I think, I think so. Yeah. I suppose the scent of a woman Ferrari thing. But that in that, that scene is very much a. An on the nose true scene about the Ferrari. So. Yeah, yeah, it's like, like you'd be looking for a move. Like you're not looking for movies that have interesting cars. It's got to be a movie where the cars are dull as fucking rocks and somehow become. Because the movie one wouldn't be about that. If the movie has interesting cars in it, it's probably because it's a car movie, right?

[Zach]

I think so. Like boring. Well, it's hard. Like if the car is a fixture of the plot, like someone mentioned Ferris Bueller in chat. That is like that scene was a.

[Matt Farah]

Ferrari 2 for that.

[Zach]

No, that's a central part of the plot. Yeah. His dad getting him in trouble or yelling at him.

[Matt Farah]

All that stuff culminating in wrecking the fucking car. That's like Cameron's entire storyline is him having to raise up and face his father by. By the forced wrecking of the car.

[Zach]

I think a good example and this is like articles from back in the day that would talk about this stuff is Breaking Bad. The cars were not fixtures of the plot at all, but they were chosen well and kind of provided good articles for folks because it was like this car was chosen with intention and really supports the character.

[Matt Farah]

Right. I think to that end like the Sopranos is gotta be every. Every character in that show drives the right car and most of them are not enthusiast cars at all.

[Zach]

And there's no car chases in that show at all. Right.

[Matt Farah]

Not like traditional car. In the very first episode, Tony runs a guy down in Alexis like a guy on foot. And it's funny.

[Zach]

Keeps working though, right?

[Matt Farah]

It's a funny scene.

[Zach]

The car just keeps going.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think we ever see the Lexus again. It's Christopher's car from the very first, from the pilot. But from the pilot to episode two there's quite a few changes. And I don't think Christopher drives the Lexus anymore.

[Zach]

Am I gonna put the fucking motor weapon in the garage?

[Matt Farah]

Christopher has some of the most bizarre fucking car choices in that show. He drives some really strange. At one point he has like, his car gets stolen, his like Range Rover gets stolen and he's rolling for two or three episodes in a Pontiac Bonneville. It's really weird, you know, all these goombas driving all these front wheel drive Cadillacs. Well folks, I am. I'm getting the fuck out of LA for. For about 18 days. I'm doing the road and track. Seaside to Sierra Rally, San Francisco to Reno. Across the Sierra is going to be epic. And then I'm going straight to performance car of the year at Thunder Hill. And then from there I'm going to play a round of golf at pebble beach with my old man as a little what have ye's end of end of summer special before driving back home. And I'm driving that entire loop in the Audi RS3. So I'm going to have have like 1200 miles of RS3 review for you. Not to mention P. Cody, which will be fucking sick. That's performance car of the year for those of you who don't know. Better axe somebody. All right. Holy shit. Is it 1245? Oh my God. I have to go. Thanks guys. Love you. See you later. Bye.