A (2:50)

Well.

B (2:50)

Cause his.

A (2:50)

I mean, this. I mean, obviously Marco manages a few other people, but for him, time is real. I mean, he's billable hours. I was like, you could be billing these hours to somebody for me to do. I do about 50 checks a month. I think that's probably what I do.

B (3:08)

Okay, how long does each check take? Let's say you have the bill in front of you. You've got the check and the pen.

A (3:14)

I would say, like, I would say 35 seconds. Three days a month. I spent three to four days a month. I spend 15 to 30 minutes writing checks, which is acceptable to me. That's like my time on my office time is not that valuable that I can do that. It doesn't bother me at all. But like, you know, Marco's got what, eight, ten hours in a day and he charges fucking whatever, 275 an hour or whatever he charges to build motors. If he's doing an hour and a half of checks every day.

B (3:52)

Oh, I don't think he's doing that many a day. No, he is. 90 minutes a day.

A (3:55)

That's what he said. He told me he's doing an hour of checks a day.

B (3:57)

That's too many.

A (3:57)

That's too many.

B (3:58)

I was gonna say. I thought he took like a 30 minute. You know, he can have a coffee, he can chill. He can go, especially in the summer in his, you know, his. Well, his new building, I think is air conditioned, but the old one, no ac, but his office is air conditioned.

A (4:09)

It just seems so you can go.

B (4:10)

Chill for a little bit. And look, I. Marco, 90 minutes.

A (4:13)

Guy's a successful business owner. He's got a great house, his kids are taken care of. He's got fun toys. I'm not trying to criticize. He's got a fucking.

B (4:21)

He's got a system.

A (4:22)

It takes like eight months to get in the door at that place. It's not like he's got a problem with business, but like, you know, that's the thing, I guess. You know what, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I just solved it in my own head. He is essentially a customs agent in Charles de Gaulle Airport when you have an eight month backlog. If I'm gonna take an hour a day to write checks, like, you'll be ready when I get to you.

B (4:50)

I think there's some of.

A (4:52)

I think I've just solved that. Yeah, I hadn't really thought that all the way through when I started down the road. But now it makes sense. If you've traveled through Charles de Gaulle with a tight layover, he's behind that window.

B (5:07)

We could automate the process, but it's less romantic.

A (5:10)

Yes. I will stamp your passport after the cigarettes.

B (5:14)

After three cigarettes. Yeah.

A (5:15)

But my plane now. You should have tried harder.

B (5:21)

This is not America.

A (5:24)

Not America.

B (5:26)

Take a break. It's not America.

A (5:28)

No.

B (5:28)

Relax.

A (5:29)

Oh, it's great.

B (5:30)

Oh, you know, maybe a little revolution. Maybe.

A (5:33)

I shouldn't be so mean. I shouldn't be so mean to France. I like France. And Charles de Gaulle has really turned it around, actually.

B (5:40)

They have.

A (5:41)

Charles de Gaulle has legit. Yeah, no. They finally started giving a little bit of a fuck, if you may.

B (5:47)

They also understand the effectiveness of. How do I say this without our whole channel getting canceled?

A (5:55)

Like protest. Yeah.

B (5:56)

Like, you know, they really. They really get together.

A (5:58)

Oh, yes. The French know how to fucking protest.

B (6:01)

It's really in their DNA.

A (6:02)

They will shut shit down.

B (6:04)

Yeah.

A (6:04)

You know who's really got the fucking horsepower to shut shit down? I'm just saying. Garbage men. Fucking garbage men.

B (6:12)

Oh, they did that New York thing, right?

A (6:13)

I would remember, like, when I went to Scotland two years ago on vacation with Edinburgh during the bin man strike. Fuck, man. It was gross as hell. But I was like. I was so. For the garbage. They were getting fucked. They were outright getting fucked. And they were like, no, we're not. It took a little bit.

B (6:33)

Eventually, they paid. Wait, what are these numbers? Okay.

A (6:36)

There is an amount of trash that virtually everyone will find unacceptable, and it doesn't take very long to get there.

B (6:44)

I think that happened in New York City. Like, New York City is weird because they put the trash bags on the street anyway, and then the garbage picks them up, which my first.

A (6:52)

Isn't that crazy?

B (6:52)

Looks really weird. But when you see the strike happen, you go, oh, the mountain could be much higher. So it's not a pile. It turns into a mountain.

A (7:01)

Yeah, I think Zoron can fix that problem. I think that's a fixable problem.

B (7:10)

What, like a new garbage system?

A (7:13)

Garbage funds allocated to bins that the garbage actually goes.

B (7:19)

I think they. I think it's a space issue. I mean, you've been, you know, New York, like, every building. If they're jammed next to each other, where do you put that big dumpster?

A (7:26)

We're gonna have to give up some of the free parking in New York City to make that happen.

B (7:30)

Oh, like the street parking? Yeah. I don't think that's a good idea. The people that need the free Parking.

A (7:34)

Paved paradise. Paved paradise argues that that is actually an incredibly poor use of resources. Free parking in New York City, that's some of the most valuable land on the planet, and it's being given away for free now.

B (7:48)

But how do we determine value? Because if people who live in the buildings, and let's say they've lived there for 50 years, they need their car, they have free parking, they can't afford to pay for a lot, they can't afford to pay to park.

A (8:00)

I'm not saying all of that.

B (8:01)

And you want to turn their land into something that's more commercially viable, Is that what you're saying?

A (8:05)

No trash. I want the trash to not be on the sidewalk.

B (8:11)

That's what I'm talking about. I love that private equity was with you until you went to trash.

A (8:14)

I didn't say commercial. Well, I said fucking trash. I want to turn a couple spaces, a block into a public utility where the trash goes. That's what I'm talking about.

B (8:25)

Okay. It's like one. I don't know. I don't know anything about the volume of garbage.

A (8:29)

I say get rid of all the parking. That's not what I said. But.

B (8:32)

But if I'm objecting as your opponent.

A (8:34)

Whether you are an urbanist or a capitalist or someone that believes in, like, effective use of, like, public lands and the proportional value of those, any way you look at it, free parking in Manhattan from any angle, even the rightiest, righty free market. Giving that away is bad for everybody. Like, it's. Yeah. The High Cost of Free Parking by Donald Shoup is a must read as well as Paved paradise by Henry Graybar. Must, must reads. Very, very interesting stuff. You want to fucking talk? I'll go parking all day. I'll go seven hours on parking if we have to. Nobody wanted to listen to that podcast, but Henry was great. I thought he was super interesting. Anyway, cars, I guess. Yeah, there are cars. We could talk about cars. Let's talk about the Divocks, the dbx. This is a niche vehicle, obviously, because clearly everybody can afford a $409,000 SUV. So why does it bear.

B (9:42)

If your parking's free, you have more money to car.

A (9:45)

I'll tell you what, if you get one of these and street park it in New York City, you're hard as fuck. And I'm here for it. I like that.

B (9:53)

I mean, look, I could park. I could park a dollar car here, right? Or I could lease a car.

A (10:01)

Yeah.

B (10:02)

So this is my creative math as your political opponent to prove that parking should Remain free in New York City. Back to the dbx. It works out.

A (10:10)

I'm sorry, what did you, what did you just say? You could park a dollar car here.

B (10:16)

The cost of parking a car at WCCS is X. Now I could take that exact amount of money if I had free parking and then I could just lease a pretty nice new car. But if parking's not free and I have to pay these prices, which are fair for the market and for the services.

A (10:31)

Sure.

B (10:31)

But if I have to pay these prices, then I can't afford that car.

A (10:35)

That's true.

B (10:36)

I'm gonna have the red string behind me soon. Go back to the Aston. I'm way off base.

A (10:46)

What I like why this is worth talking about actually to me is that it's not a platform shared vehicle. It's not like an Urus. You go drive an Audi Q8 and you go, oh yeah, there's a lot that's kind of the same here. Not to disrespect Lamborghini, you could say the same thing about a Cayenne or about the Lexus GX and the Toyota Land Cruiser or whatever. It's like this is not platform shared and to have a non platform shared vehicle is like, it's more exclusive. Right. Like it's not a tarted up anything. Like all of the stuff in this is this. It's not like a GLE Mercedes underneath there.

B (11:36)

Right.

A (11:37)

And so that I think makes it like the purosangue, I guess, more special.

B (11:43)

I agree.

A (11:44)

And that justifies, let's quote justifies, right, because we're talking about silly, silly rich money. Justifies that it's more expensive than a Cayenne Turbo GT or an X5M competition or some other of your standard ultra fast SUV. Right?

B (12:03)

But I think it does justify that because when we've done reviews about, you know, Uruses or other cars like that, a lot of the comments will say it's really just a Q8. Yeah, it's just this underneath. You can get that for less money. Why would you buy this when you could get the same thing effectively, but different badge, different interior and it costs half the money. I think that's a legitimate benefit.

A (12:26)

It's the thing I like most about it actually. Then next to that, I love how these things drive. This is the S, the DBX S. This is now the highest, fastest one. Folks taking a break because support is coming in from fitbod. It's that time of January where you're fighting your New Year's fitness resolution. I stopped making new year's resolutions. I make whole year resolutions and I have. However, my wife has really taken the liberty of telling me how much I spent last year on our personal trainer and wow, boy have I spent a lot on in person personal training. Let me just say I spoil myself and most people can't do that now. It's been working, I've lost weight, I feel good and I am accountable. But most people can't do that. How about if you had a personal trainer in your pocket? Fitbod is here. Fitbod is an app that helps make working out easier. You can customize workouts based on your goals. It'll help you stay focused and get a better workout, keep that intensity up, right? And help you stay accountable to yourself. If you can't have or can't go with a full time personal trainer again, this is like a personal personal trainer in your pocket. It can help you keep those New Year's resolutions going into February and beyond, help keep you motivated to work out on the days you don't want, and it can tailor those workouts based on your time, equipment constraints and goals. Right? Fitbod's creating that personalized workout routine that adapts to your growth, tracks your muscle recovery, can be fine tuned by experienced certified personal trainers, and can be done at home, affordably affordable. So level up your workout in the new year. Join Fitbod today to get your personalized workout plan with 25% off your subscription. Or you can try the app for free for seven days at fitbod Me Tire one more time. That's F I T B o D Metire Fitbod Me Tire also support coming in today from DeleteMe. They are making it quick, easy and safe to remove your personal data online at a time when surveillance and data breaches are common enough to make everyone vulnerable. Look, it's so easy to get people's personal information. Their address, their phone number, their family members names. All of it is on the Internet. Cuz you put it there when you signed up and bought that tote bag from jcpenney.com, they sold your data. I don't know if JCPenney literally did, but they probably did because everybody does. Online partisans and nefarious actors buy your data from data brokers and use it for political targeting, spam, texts, scam, emails, et cetera. And with Delete Me, you can protect your personal privacy or the privacy of your business from doxing and sensitive information getting exploited and on and on. Basically all you have to do is go to Delete Me. Excuse me. All you have to do is go to joindeleteme.com tire and then use code tire. You'll make an account, you'll sign up, you'll tell them the information that you want taken off the data broker website and then delete me goes to work. You don't hear from them for just a little bit, but then they come back and they go, look at all this stuff we found. It's like thousands of instances of your data. You click, click, click, click, click a few times. They delete it all, then they do it again every single month. It's an ongoing thing. Not one time. Deleteme has your back. So take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for deleteme now at a special discount for our listeners. Get 20% off your delete me plan when you go to JoinDeleteMe.com Tire and then use promo code tire at checkout. The only way to get 20% off is to go to joindeleteme.com tire and then enter code tire at checkout. Last time, join DeleteMe.com Tire Code Tire. Now back to the show. It's got a little more horsepower. It's 717 horsepower. And it's funny because in the marketing, they're like, oh, it's got the turbos from the Valhalla, which is like a very funny thing to say about a car that's not out yet. I'm sure that's good. It makes 10 more horsepower. So, okay, maybe that's how you get 10 more horsepower. And these are more powerful turbos I kind of understand. But we don't actually know if the Valhalla is good. I assume it's going to be reasonably good.

B (17:28)

It's an excellent marketing term, though. That's what it is, right?

A (17:31)

Yeah. It's got these fucking sick turbos from this other car. And it's like, well, we don't. Can we try the other car Anyway? It's a funny thing, but it's just a funny marketing jargon. But in practice, what it means is power band's a little higher, so everything's moved up a little bit because it's got these bigger turbos that take a little longer to spool. So actually, I think the base one, which is the 707 now, is a little better for your everyday use. This is a little aggressive in terms of the power band, which doesn't have much below 3,000.

B (18:13)

This is the purosangue problem, where a little bit the V12 is amazing and it sounds great and it's Ferrari. But for a usable suv, most people want to live in torque land down low.

A (18:24)

Yeah, it's a little bit of that. And then also. So the other things that make it really cool. Well, it has some reprogrammed steering geometry, not the rack. So it's got sharper steering, but without rear steering. That's pretty cool. The steering is really nice, the ride is really good. But it has some weight saving. So it has a new front and rear end that saves. I don't want to get the number wrong. The new front and rear end saves. The new nose saves 7 pounds and the new rear end saves 15 pounds. That's bodywork. The carbon fiber roof saves 40 pounds. And then it has 23 inch magnesium wheels which save 42 pounds of unsprung weight. So the 42 pounds of unsprung weight, that's a shitload. 10 pounds a corner is pulling a ton of weight out of this car. And so it's incredibly agile. You can get wheel spin in four wheels when you're doing launches with drives. Great. Now I'd be really worried about driving around on 23 inch magnesium wheels.

B (19:41)

That's a huge wheel, I'm sure. I mean, the tires are.

A (19:43)

The shim is 22 grand. And if you crack one, I betcha that's the cost to replace one. Because remember when Ryan broke a magnesium wheel on the way to luft in his GT4RS?

B (19:59)

Oh yeah.

A (20:00)

Ride from Sacramento? So those magnesium wheels are like, they're like 13 or $15,000 when you buy them with the Weissach pack on Porsche. And he broke one and Porsche wanted 19 for one, so I don't think that's a uniquely Porsche problem. I think these wheels are probably sold at a loss on the car. And as part of a package, they bleed the cost into something else. And really light wheels work. They help the car do everything better. But also they're all just so fucking expensive. Like, I would be so nervous about driving around la. Wait till you see my road and track column this month. It's all about these wheels and the potholes that we got during the rainstorm. Like that's my whole column this month. It's so this car, it's gotten pretty. They've really, really dialed in. Like the stroll era of Aston Martin DB12, the updated Vantage to where it is now. This, the 707 and now this, the new Vanquish. Like, pretty on point. Honestly, pretty. Pretty good. These are very cool.

B (21:22)

The DBX707. When we drove it, we're like, this is the one. All these attributes you're talking about.

A (21:26)

Yeah.

B (21:27)

Fun to drive, handled well, felt pretty agile, sounded great, looked amazing, had the. Had better shock tuning than the lesser one. Like all of that stuff was already true. So I'm glad they didn't ruin it.

A (21:37)

No.

B (21:38)

And then they just update. This was probably the car, I don't know, needed like the least updating because some of the other ones, the interiors were just so cheap feeling compared with the cost of the car, the speed and sometimes the exterior. But like, I think the redesign they've done with their flagship cars inside and out has really been something to celebrate. And this was like. They didn't mess with it too much. They didn't need to mess with it too much. Good.

A (22:02)

Yeah. The only thing that this one. And maybe there's still time because this hasn't fully launched in the US yet. I got it a little early. You know, the mandatory adas thing.

B (22:14)

Oof.

A (22:16)

They gotta get out of this. This is really bad news. Like, nothing ruins a luxury experience like. Than like a car that doesn't remember the setting that you left it in. If you have a car, it's a car. That is the kind of car that you set up for you. Your memory seat and your fucking radios and your drive mode, your individual drive mode and whatever your personal adas settings, whatever they may be, Imagine you spend a lot of money on that car. And whatever settings you value, the seat, the radio, fucking whatever, it's just not there. The next time you start the car, it's back to a default after you've spent $400,000 on this car. And you could get hoodwinked as fuck with one of these. Imagine you go to a dealer to test drive one. And you get in it, you drive it, you hate the ADAs, you turn it off on the test drive. The salesman doesn't tell you that it comes back on every single time. Fully. Not just lane keep assist. There's a five mile an hour over the speed limit chime that comes on. Oh yeah, every time.

B (23:38)

That's a much bigger problem.

A (23:39)

Every time you start the car, my.

B (23:41)

Friend, you can't turn the limiter up.

A (23:43)

For the nerp at full. Full ADAs, dude. Every time. So do you know how many times the lane keep assist steered me directly into a fucking pothole? Cause I try to turn it off every time. Cause it's unusable. It's horrible. But also I would forget because of course I fucking would forget because anybody would Forget having to do this. I mean, eventually.

B (24:08)

Well, or it wears you down. If you're running errands and you have four stops to make, on the third one you're like, I'll just leave it on. Like, I don't want to deal with it.

A (24:15)

Right.

B (24:15)

And I haven't. It hasn't gotten in the way yet. And then on that route, you encounter a pothole. You try to go around it and it's like, how dare you leave the lake.

A (24:23)

Exactly.

B (24:24)

And then it pushes you back in.

A (24:25)

With your 23 inch magnesium wheels. I mean, imagine going to the dealer and going, the software made me drive into this thing. They go, eat a dick. 20 grand day. You know what I mean? Right. And like, like, you know, like you can forget and leave it on and you can get 10 or 15 minutes up the road before something weird and you go, fucking, what is going on? And furthermore, this particular vehicle, which I don't think was necessarily pre production, but sometimes it would take the center screen, not the car itself, but the center screen up to 60 seconds to turn on.

B (25:08)

To turn on. Showtime.

A (25:09)

Not turn on, but to like power up. And it shows the car's logo. Yeah, effectively. To boot. No, sometimes it would take one second. Same with the Ferrari 12C. Same exact problem. Sometimes it would take a few seconds or one second or half a second, and sometimes it would take 60 seconds. Here's where that becomes majorly problematic. You need it to turn off the ADAs. You can't turn it off with a hard button. So if that screen doesn't boot up, can't turn it off. That sucks. You know the first, because it's one hard button press. Yeah, one of them.

B (25:53)

It doesn't matter.

A (25:54)

It's one of those on the right. That one. The third. Yeah, that one. The second one down on the right, you hit that, it pulls up a menu. You have to hit one touch thing and then another touch thing. But if the screen's not booted up and look, this is a big problem.

B (26:12)

Well, this is something we've seen in a lot of cars because they're adding more complicated graphics packages, more features and stuff. But if they don't increase the hardware with more GPUs and whatnot, it just takes so long. It's an old computer running the newest os. That's what it's doing. And I think it's problematic when climate control is through there, navigation's through there. Yeah, just. And I know everyone's like, it's only a minute. I know, but if your car did this. If your phone did this, it would be very frustrating when you hop in the car and you're like, all right, where are we going? And you're sitting there and you're waiting and you're waiting and you're waiting and you know you'll get your directions in one minute.

A (26:48)

It's just a while. I forget because I forget if the temperature controls, which are manual scrolly wheels, I forget if they worked while the screen was booting up. Like, if you could change it. I think you can.

B (27:04)

Does it indicate the change you're making, though?

A (27:06)

Yeah, I think it's the very bottom of the screen.

B (27:08)

Oh, yeah, I see that.

A (27:09)

That black bar is where it does it. I forget if it did it, but if your car is. If it's Arizona in the summer or fucking Maine in the winter, it will matter if you can do those things.

B (27:22)

It boot up quicker if you are using the Apple CarPlay thing.

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B (30:34)

That is ironic as hell.

A (30:35)

So apparently you cannot connect to multiple Aston Martins. All right, all right, so there's that. Maybe if you change the name of the car. I don't want to, like, I don't want to say that there's no way to do it, but I will say that when I said, hey, Aston Martin person, my phone won't connect to the car, they said, do you have old Aston Martin Press cars in your Bluetooth list? Which I do.

B (31:04)

They're like, delete them now. If I go glass half full, maybe they're like, oh, those old Aston press cars had the old ultra iOS thing.

A (31:14)

I don't want to say definitively that you can't do it. And I'm sure somebody will prove to me that you can do it.

B (31:21)

Hope so.

A (31:21)

I will say that that has been the solution for the last two of these I've driven right now. Finally, it connects Apple CarPlay Ultra Ultra. After about two and a half days without me doing anything, nothing, it goes back to regular carplay. And I cannot figure out how to get it to go back to CarPlay Ultra. And I don't give a. And I'm so happy that it's not in CarPlay Ultra anymore that I don't give a shit. I just leave it and I just use regular carplay.

B (31:57)

So it went back to the setting, though. That's interesting.

A (32:00)

I didn't even know you could use regular CarPlay in cars that had CarPlay Ultra, but it went back to it eventually. So, like, I don't know. Oh.

B (32:09)

But did when it was using CarPlay Ultra, did that system power up faster?

A (32:13)

No, slower. Slower than regular CarPlay? Yeah. I have concluded that I don't like CarPlay Ultra. It might be a solution for, like, very, very bad native UI systems. But honestly, if you have regular CarPlay and, like, even in this Aston screen here, if you have a dock, like, the Taycan has it, and someone showed me how to make the CarPlay button, if you have a dock on the screen and one of Those buttons is CarPlay and another button is, like, serious, and another button is like, the native nav. And the other, like, that's. You don't need anything more than that. But I guess there are. I don't know.

B (32:53)

Oh, a bunch of people. After our CarPlay discussion a few weeks ago, people messaged me and said, you can rearrange the icons on your carplay just like you can your phone.

A (33:01)

Yeah, you can.

B (33:02)

Sometimes it's a drag thing, and sometimes it's like you have to go into settings or whatever. Like, in your phone, you go to, like, CarPlay settings. Here are the apps I want to see first, but very helpful. Thank you, folks.

A (33:11)

Yeah, I never thought of it because, honestly, when I pull up CarPlay, like, the. The apps I use the most are just kind of automatically there. So maybe that's an accident. I don't have to swipe through a whole bunch, but it's good to know you can. Moving the. Being able to do it in the Taycan, just being just like you would do it in a phone. A, it's hilarious. I've never tried it. And B, no one ever told me about it until this fan did the other day. And now that I've done it, I'm like, oh, my God. This is like. This is just like.

B (33:40)

Well, there's like a. You know, there's a wall there. Usually you're not supposed to cross those.

A (33:43)

It does. It doesn't look like that. Yeah. Yeah.

B (33:45)

But I think. I think, like, CarPlay Ultra would work like the Subaru Crosstrek or actually any new Subaru that we've driven. The middle MMI screen looks so old. Like, the graphics look like early 2000s. MTV, Nickelodeon.

A (33:58)

There's a new one.

B (33:58)

So if they change that, that would be nice.

A (34:00)

Have you seen the new Subaru Outback? Okay. Shout out to my friends at Subaru of Englewood, New Jersey. I love them. It's also Porsche of Englewood, New Jersey, where I bought my Spyder. Fabulous people. I love them. Great dealership. If you're in New Jersey, buy a car from them. When I was in South Carolina bird hunting two weeks ago, they had one of the new Outbacks and they like it. I think this car is heinous looking. Have you seen this thing? The new outback?

B (34:35)

Is it 20, 26?

A (34:37)

Yeah, they turned it into. I think it's like the Hyundai Santa Fe. Zach's eyes, my eyebrows. Zach's eyes just lit up.

B (34:45)

Dude, lit up is the wrong description.

A (34:47)

Lit up. His eyes just shot to the ceiling. What have they done here?

B (34:52)

It's more.

A (34:53)

Doesn't look like the Hyundai. Like, Santa Fe. Like, it's like real square.

B (34:59)

It's very square. They turned it. They finally just said, yeah, it's an suv. That's what happened, I guess.

A (35:04)

Yeah.

B (35:05)

Come on.

A (35:06)

That is. It is not. Not good looking. I mean, they've just made it a square suv.

B (35:13)

Yeah, that's. It's the Forester. Yeah, it's what the Forester was.

A (35:17)

They've merged.

B (35:17)

Yeah, essentially. Does the Forester still exist?

A (35:19)

It does. It does. No, it does. Yeah.

B (35:21)

The back looks very RAV4 or.

A (35:24)

It looks exactly.

B (35:25)

Yeah, it looks extremely RAV4, which I get. It's like the third model.

A (35:28)

This is what they've done. It's halfway between a RAV4 and the new Hyundai Santa Fe. That's what it is.

B (35:33)

Yeah, it's RAV4 in the back. This side window is very Hyundai Santa Fe retro. Like this extra pillar that just takes up space. You can't see the front. Yeah, you got like, you know, squinty, the split headlight thing. The front's not bad. It's not good. But it's a completely different vehicle, appearance wise.

A (35:52)

It has a new ui, though. I'll give credit where it is due. The interior is for the price. The interior is nice. These cars are like. They're like 40 grand. They're not expensive. And the interior is comfortable and improved over the last version. And I should know because my mom has the last version, but my mom's looks so much better. But this one does have the better interior. Still has manual climate control. Full manual climate control on the bottom.

B (36:18)

That's good. We've got the gauges here. I want to see I trust you because we drove that outback, the wilderness edition a few years ago.

A (36:24)

Liked it.

B (36:25)

We liked the way it drove. Yeah, I really dislike the way all the icons, they look so tired and old. So this is.

A (36:34)

So anyway, just wrap up the dbxs. It's a really, really beautiful driving thing. It's agile, it's really comfortable. Although this one did not get the massage seats. I gotta save weight, gotta have the lighter seats.

B (36:54)

It's a good looking car though.

A (36:55)

It's very pretty, extremely fast. Sounds great. Obviously super, super expensive, but it's not an upgraded version of anything else. Very much stands alone. And I don't think the bigger turbos, the up power band, it's not the full purosangue problem. It's not like it has no balls. It's just like the AMG derived V8 is very grunty at the bottom and I think that's at the 500 horsepower level. But the higher you kick up the horsepower and the bigger you make the turbos, you just keep moving it up, up, up, up, up, you know.

B (37:32)

Well, you guys did the red line go up at all, do you know?

A (37:36)

I don't think so. I think it's still like seven. Some 72, something like that.

B (37:41)

Bigger turbos, need more revs to make it breathe.

A (37:43)

Yeah, it's fast, I'll say that. It's very, very fast. And it's very pretty. Yeah, lots of leather. Smells really good in there.

B (37:50)

Color was amazing. Yeah, this green is so good.

A (37:53)

It's a fun car. And I, and, and I just like they're doing such a nice job with their styling and with their dynamics. The software stuff partially apple, partially not.

B (38:06)

Yeah, that limit thing, that, that's not okay. Yeah, because five over. That everyone's doing five over.

A (38:12)

Stinks. Yeah, yeah, it stinks. What else do we have? Oh, the, the Gunther Ferrari.

B (38:21)

Yeah. Oops. There we go.

A (38:23)

So Guntherwerks, our friend Peter, who the founder and owner, I guess I want to say owner, CEO of Guntherwerks, is interested in exploring the idea of a Ferrari 458. Apparently seeing the difference in value between a regular 4.58 and a Speciale. And he basically said the Guntherwerks 993s are like insane. They're completely re engineered from the ground up. And this isn't that. This is basically seeing the difference in value between a regular 458 and a special. And a regular 458 is like 150 to 250,000. And specials are like 700,000. Basically what he's looking for is to try to offer a styling and driving experience that's more like a special but for much less money. With this particular car, he said this is a car that was $180,000 car, that his kit would be like 150,000 on top of that. So it's like 3 to 3:50. This is a ton of money. Again, ton of money, but half of what you would spend getting an actual special and not something that is, in theory, so collectible that you couldn't put a lot of miles on it. That's the idea.

B (40:00)

Now, did this car effectively start life as looking like this?

A (40:06)

Yeah. Okay, it could. Is that car like live now?

B (40:09)

No.

A (40:09)

Okay, so, yeah, this is effectively the same car. Which. Can you go. Can you see, like, sold ones of these? What are these going for? What? Yeah.

B (40:19)

What does.

A (40:19)

What does it cost to get a 458? Because 458s are really good cars. Really good cars. And the specials are just crazy money. Let's see. Sold for. Okay, 2010458 for 136 grand. Wow. There's a spider with 13,000 miles for 212. Wow. A lot of no sales. Well, that gray one you just had up sold for 167. Okay, great. Let's pull that one up. So 167. How many miles are on this thing? Scroll down. Gray tan is fucking 36,000. Ooh, good number of miles.

B (40:55)

It's like a dark gray with tan. Yellow calipers for people listening.

A (40:58)

Nice spec, these seats.

B (40:59)

Look at.

A (41:00)

Ooh, I. I'm into everything about this. Yeah, this is a fabulous car. Okay, so you start with one of these things and then go back to my photo. So Gunther then replaces the entire front clip with carbon and does a pass through heat exchanger thing with the scoop, the frunk and the scoop. Now it does take up some of the frunk, which sort of sucks. So you lose some of your usability. Plus, this car is dropped, I think. I don't know exactly how much. It's either a half inch or an inch. It's like half half inch on the stock mag ride shocks, but lowering springs, but then it has aftermarket nose lift. And then the pump for that is also in the front trunk. So at least this one has essentially no trunk, which is kind of a bummer. They redo the interior, they add some carbon bits. Like if go back to the cars and bids one. Not a ton of carbon on this one.

B (42:08)

Well, actually, this one does have. It does very similar carbon.

A (42:12)

Oh, it does.

B (42:13)

Like this has carbon on the car, on the wheel. It's got carbon on the vents which. The Gunther works car I think had carbon in almost the exact same places. Here you are.

A (42:24)

Right. So. So then they take out the power seats and they put in the carbon buckety seats. They make everything like carbon that can be. And then this has the three buttons. They change it to the special which is the carbon tower of cool. So they change the center console and they effectively give you special vibes. The rear gets a very similar. Not quite a speciale but similar looking treatment. The 458. I don't have a great photo of the rear. I'm sorry I didn't put it in there. This has a very small diffuser. The diffuser becomes huge. It almost looks a little bit Enzo. Like it's the full width of the body. Those reversing lights get moved. It's carbon and then you get. But the top treatment has got the special like wing. I really think only the doors and the roof and the glass are left from the original body.

B (43:27)

So this whole fashion now on the front of the guntherworks car. This is all their design carbon.

A (43:33)

All their design carbon.

B (43:34)

The mouth is totally different as is.

A (43:36)

The bonnet, the front bonnet.

B (43:37)

That's very cool. It's really subtle. Anybody, if you walk up to this thing and you don't really know the 458, it kind of blends in.

A (43:47)

Well. Scroll through the comments on this post. Someone had a good one. They saw the car in Malibu on Sunday. Keep going, keep going. There this guy, Dominic Savides. There we go. I was walking around that Ferrari, these guys and we were going back and forth with what it was. It's not just a body kit but it's not a Pista. Same thing. It's in between. Right. So I mean it's an upfitted four five, eight. So we didn't make a video with it because the tune isn't quite right. It does have supposedly 50 more horsepower. It has a very light exhaust with a valve in it. I'm sure it has a couple other hard bits. But it also has this tune that isn't where it should be. So we're gonna. We. We sent it home and then. And we're gonna get it back when. When the tune is.

B (44:48)

It's very fast.

A (44:49)

When the tune is fine tuned. Yeah, it's fast.

B (44:52)

It's very fast. It's drivability needs a little work.

A (44:56)

Sounds good.

B (44:56)

I haven't driven one of these in such a long time. Like years and years and years and years. Remember I asked you, I'm like, where? I was like, where do I take. Turn the thing on?

A (45:03)

Yeah, you forgot to put. You had to put the key in and turn it.

B (45:06)

But then hit the button and there's like a little button over there. But man, these things are such magic. And like just ripping through the tunnel. Because I drove to Malibu to meet you guys on Sunday. And just the sound of it, like my. My wife stares in the car and I go, that's why people paid the money for these. Like just that. And it's. And she was giggling and it looks amazing.

A (45:23)

They've aged well. And you know, at the time I didn't love the button, all the buttons on the steering wheel. But now compared to all the haptics on the steering wheel, I'm like, oh, buttons aren't really so bad.

B (45:35)

That's true. But I couldn't figure out how to make the blinker stay on. On a left turn. On a right turn. It was like if I held it longer, it would just stay. It was like, all right, the blinker's on the left one.

A (45:45)

It's the same. Well, it's broken.

B (45:48)

It's broken.

A (45:49)

Hey, Peter, fix that.

B (45:49)

I was doing a lot of like, you know, three flashes and then it would go away.

A (45:52)

That's funny.

B (45:53)

But you, you do get used to it. And, and you know, someone in the last show said, what do we prefer paddles on the wheel or on the column? And this has paddles on the column and nice action and they're always there. Which there are benefits to it.

A (46:05)

I prefer column.

B (46:06)

I prefer wheel. If I had to choose one or the other, I'd go wheel. But I went, column's not bad. It's pretty good.

A (46:11)

I prefer column. I mean, I think in most circumstances it doesn't really make a difference. It makes a difference. If you plan on sliding the car, that's the only time. If you're really sliding the car and you might want to grab a gear. Very true. When the wheel is at some fucking cr then it matters. Outside of that, not really so much. But 4, 5, 8, they are great. But the radio is unusably awful. I think this is like there needs to be some kind of full on bypass system for that. And maybe there is. Cause that is a piece of junk.

B (46:49)

It's very quiet. It also needs a backup camera.

A (46:50)

No, it's just the usability of those.

B (46:53)

Yeah. With the weird knobs that control. Yeah. It's like you have three knobs the same knob you'd use to control the mirrors in a car. Imagine there's three of those and the one on the left controls like your tripometer. Your trip tripometer. And if you want to look at like the tire temp.

A (47:08)

Yeah.

B (47:08)

And the one on the right was like radio.

A (47:11)

Yeah.

B (47:11)

And media. And it's kind of very good.

A (47:13)

It's terrible.

B (47:13)

Yeah, they're pretty.

A (47:16)

Such pretty cars and, and so fun to drive, though. I mean, they really. They've aged well in that.

B (47:21)

And this, this price, I mean, you. You could get for this money for like 130 grand. I mean, you could get your NSX or you could get actually a worse NSX.

A (47:30)

Well, that's. This is 167 is literally what I sold my NSX for.

B (47:36)

This is nuts.

A (47:38)

Yeah. Oh, that's the one. That's my car. Oh, yeah, I sold. I sold that car. That was a record at the time.

B (47:44)

Wow, these are fantastic.

A (47:46)

Oh, that's funny though. For the 14 was only bid $458. The gray one, the top right.

B (47:53)

Oh, yeah, I was.

A (47:54)

Oh, no, I was. 215. Sorry. That's. 212. 458. Maybe I need new glasses.

B (47:59)

Are they. So are they positioning this as. Let's go back to the kit. Is this like. It seems more like a modified Ferrari to make your 458 seem more special, but it's not a full Gunther Works build, you know, Porsche style.

A (48:12)

Yeah.

B (48:13)

Because that would probably change the entire, like, appearance of the thing.

A (48:17)

Yeah, no, the, the branding of it because, you know, Guntherwerks is a division of Vorsteiners. So, like, the branding of it is unclear at the moment. It wasn't necessarily. I plan on selling this exactly as is. As a package and under this brand. And here's the. It was. Hey, you know, I've thought about the 458 and the Speciale and the gap between and. So I've built something that is in between. Will you drive it and give me your thoughts? And like, we might be onto something. That was pretty much where. And then the car just shows up. Cool.

B (48:59)

Looks awesome.

A (49:00)

It was supposed to show up the same week the fucking DBX was here. I'm glad it didn't. It was pissing rain. I mean, what would I have done with this thing?

B (49:06)

Look at it and just.

A (49:07)

Yeah. Stare at it in the driveway for six straight days?

B (49:10)

Pretty much.

A (49:11)

Yeah. But we'll get it back and we'll make a video once it's, you know, ready for the prime time. Did you See that. I guess Ford is like really kind of abandoning Shelby because they just did this dark horse SC thing. Like they essentially brought back the GT500, but it's not called GT500, it's called the dark horse SC and it's the GT500 GTD powertrain, you know, but dark horse branding and presumably similarly track focused chassis setup.

B (49:51)

I wonder, huh. I wonder if, wonder why like the Shelby name has been attached to these cars for so long. So I wonder if they've just, they're aged out of it.

A (50:02)

Could be.

B (50:03)

They also could save money by maybe not licensing. I'm sure there's a partnership thing there.

A (50:07)

And also I think. And they've, they've really, they've dropped Ford performance and now it's Ford racing. Racing. They're really trying to lean into the fact that they're racing. So it's billed as halfway between the Dark Horse and the gtd. Right. So it gets the supercharged powertrain, but it doesn't get the multimatic front and rear clips.

B (50:32)

Right. Interesting.

A (50:36)

It's essentially the same as the GTD's engine, it seems. Although they have given you exactly the ways that it's changed yet. But you know, it looks like an update. It looks like they could put fucking stripes on it and call it a GT500 tomorrow. They've just chosen not to. Right?

B (50:52)

Yeah. It's funny that this is. I mean, I want to read more details, but it's very close to the RTR Spec 3.

A (50:59)

Well, it's got. This has the Tremec though. This has the DCT gearbox, not a manual.

B (51:04)

So me. Oh, okay.

A (51:07)

I mean it'll probably be probably a really good time.

B (51:09)

I bet it'll be amazing. I mean, look, the Ford engineers are doing a great job.

A (51:12)

I bet it'll drift better than the gtd. The GTD with the. Does not have much steering angle to work with when it comes to doing slides.

B (51:22)

Very cool.

A (51:23)

It is a pretty good looking car.

B (51:25)

Looks very angry. Yeah, very. It is definitely more extroverted looking than the rtr but slightly subtler than the gtd just because it doesn't have like the huge fins on the fenders and stuff. But, but man, this hood is much.

A (51:39)

Narrower than the GT GTs, like 6 inches wider than a regular Mustang.

B (51:43)

And it looks it when it shows up.

A (51:44)

Yeah. Excuse me. I still have yet. I'm doing a story right now for Road and Track about Dinos. And actually we used a regular dark horse, a naturally aspirated dark horse to test dinos. To see how different Dinos. And so I spent last week driving around a dark horse and I really need to request that they give me one that doesn't have the track alignment on it because the powertrains are great, the ride is pretty nice. They're generally really fun cars, but I think all the press cars have this crazy camber because the magazines use them for track work or whatever and they're so darty, they're exhausting to drive.

B (52:32)

I don't know if I've driven different dark horses than you. You truly or could have or I am less sensitive to that than you are because I've just never really bothered me in those cars.

A (52:44)

I don't know, maybe both, but the.

B (52:49)

One, I mean, you just drive more cars than me, so you're probably more attuned to it.

A (52:52)

I don't. I mean, that's not it. You couldn't tell if a car was dark.

B (52:56)

I can, I think. But maybe my threshold for what is annoying for is in that regard is much is higher.

A (53:02)

Well, you have a car with overly wide front tires and a lot of camber also. So yes, I would say that you are calibrated slightly differently.

B (53:14)

That's a very good point.

A (53:15)

Someone needs to fucking press that tare button on your shit, dude.

B (53:19)

T A R E. Oh, like on a scale? Oh, yeah, yeah, sorry.

A (53:23)

So is that too much of a drug dealer reference?

B (53:25)

No, I mean I remember from chemistry class and I use a scale for my coffee every day, but for a second I was like, what? I T E A R, right?

A (53:33)

I was using language differently.

B (53:35)

Yeah. T A R E. I remember in class I was like, why don't they just call it erase? And my teacher was like, because they don't like, okay, clear, erase, reset.

A (53:45)

Don't you dare talk that kind of fucking sense, Clapman.

B (53:48)

And I'm sure someone's listening. I'm sure there's a Latin root for why. There's always a reason for that stuff.

A (53:54)

No, I told you my fucking talking sense shit in Hebrew school, right? That almost got me fucking kicked out of Hebrew school. I was forced to go to Hebrew school. Why? What the fuck do I need to learn Hebrew for? And literally seven years of this shit for purposes of reading a paragraph in front of 200 people one time and never again. And so I asked my Hebrew school teacher when I was the first year, I was there when I was eight, why an all knowing God doesn't understand English. Now imagine you're a Hebrew school teacher and an 8 year old fucking shithead. Says that to you. What do you say?

B (54:36)

I mean, and that is a magnificent question. And, of course, goes along with so many others you can ask. I mean, I don't want to.

A (54:45)

So you're telling me.

B (54:47)

So he's all powerful, but he needs our money. That's what you're saying. All powerful, right?

A (54:52)

All knowing, but only in one language.

B (54:54)

All knowing. Yeah. That is really funny.

A (54:59)

Oh, boy.

B (55:01)

I like what they did to go back to cars. I like what they did with the front end. You know what I just realized? This side here, the side of the front fascia is very Lamborghini. Like Huracan a little bit, but it's a little subtler. And then this new nose thing, this whole angle squared off some things a little bit. But I like it. I like it.

A (55:20)

It's also not running a square stance. It's got 305 fronts and 315 rear.

B (55:26)

Well, because they heard your complaints about the tram lining.

A (55:30)

Look at this. I love this fucking press release talk. This setup leverages Mustang GTD technology to help deliver near supercar levels of traction. How? They have a completely.

B (55:44)

Well, what tires is the GTD on?

A (55:46)

Oh, Sport Cup T leverages GTD technology. That would be a very funny way of saying they use the same tires.

B (55:55)

I think that's what they're saying.

A (55:57)

Well, the GTD has 335 rears, so they're not the same size.

B (56:02)

No, but leverage the technology.

A (56:03)

Yeah.

B (56:04)

And I would say, is size a technology or is compound a technology?

A (56:09)

It's not the size of the tire.

B (56:11)

It's the compound.

A (56:11)

It's the compound.

B (56:12)

This is why creative writing can take you pretty far in pr.

A (56:16)

It's the size of your tire. It's the compound pounds.

B (56:19)

Matt. It uses the turbos from the Valhalla.

A (56:26)

Which is.

B (56:26)

I mean, you know, and the PR people right now are upset, and they're also laughing because, like, they know what they have to do. It's tough. You have to make. I mean, I don't know why you have to, like. They can't just give the specs because what we read are the specs, but, like, they gotta, like, pitch it to you. So it uses the same technology?

A (56:43)

Yeah.

B (56:44)

Yeah. I don't know. It'll probably be fast. It'll probably handle great.

A (56:47)

No, no, it's gonna be a good stuff.

B (56:48)

Steering, fuel problem gets fixed at some point, but I think that's a hardware issue with the supplier of their pump.

A (56:55)

Wait, what steering issue would you have?

B (56:56)

I feel like every Mustang we've driven has no steering. Feel And I think it's just like either an overwork.

A (57:02)

Do you think they're broken?

B (57:03)

No, I don't think they're broken. I think I remember this was a problem with the GT350. Like it always felt like you had no steering feel. And then when you got too far into the angle, the effort suddenly got really hard. It was almost like the pump couldn't handle it. Handle it. But the gtd, the dark horse, the RTR car, like, it's like BMW M steering. There's just nothing from the front tires.

A (57:26)

I think they have a very tough mission because there's so much weight up there and the tire is so wide that you need a very powerful system and you can't. I don't think you can have a very powerful system and really good steering feel. I think like, by nature, the systems that offer less assist usually give the best feel all the way to like no power steering, which has amazing feel sometimes at the expense of like a ton of effort.

B (58:01)

Sure, that's a good point. I mean, because it's a big engine, it's a big car, and so it needs a lot.

A (58:06)

Yeah, maybe I'm fucking taking a guess at that. But that's just my guess.

B (58:11)

I like that theory. And if anybody works at an oem, especially if their name's David maybe, or anybody else, that's the only one we know. But like, that would be a great thing to tell us because like, I.

A (58:19)

Don'T know if to wait till like once every three months where he has a bunch of long flights and like binges the podcast and catches up.

B (58:25)

He's out there. The question would be to you is, have you noted what has better steering feel like Vanquish. Vanquish or dark horse Vanquish. Okay. Vanquish has a huge engine with turbos.

A (58:41)

Engine is a big engine. Is behind the front axle crucial, maybe crucial. It's more mid engine.

B (58:49)

Right. But for. But well, so yeah, you do you move what the not leverage point, but you're moving the weight back. So the less weight is on the front tires. So maybe that does influence it.

A (59:00)

And it doesn't have. The front tires aren't that big. The front tires are like 255s or something. Not like 3.05s. That's a. That's a substantial difference. Yeah.

B (59:10)

I don't know because I mean bigger tires, like bigger tires on my car, granted, 25 years old. Improve steering feel because it made the. A little bit of effort. Had an increase in steering effort, which resulted in like sort of masquerading as feel.

A (59:23)

Oh, that's like the same trick as, like, when I made my steering wheel smaller in the Corvette.

B (59:28)

Yeah, yeah. It's like when you manscape. Same thing. So I don't know. This is a good question for an engineer.

A (59:36)

Very good.

B (59:36)

They're not a sponsor, but they.

A (59:38)

Very good. Can I talk for a second about the Oster Model 10? I.

B (59:42)

God, is that a toaster?

A (59:44)

No, it's the buzzer. It's the buzzer that, like, you know, in like, Full Metal Jacket, where they fucking shave it off.

B (59:52)

It's that.

A (59:53)

It's the fucking industrial grade buzzer that, like. Yes. That, like, an old Italian man would use or like a military barber from in, like, Vietnam. Like, that's what this is.

B (60:05)

Look at the size of the power cable.

A (60:07)

Yeah, dude. Shit's almost like 220, right? So Hannah got me this for my birthday, like, 10 years ago when I used to buzz my head real short. That's the number. The triple zero blade is the real short one. So now I haven't done that because I shave my head with a proper razor, right? But now this, my beard setup. I've been using a portable buzzer, but with plastic attachments to shave the beard. But I was like, wait a minute. What is the longest blade I can get for the Model 10? It's been in retirement and I got. It's called, like, the. I forget what it's called, but it's the long one. It's the length that I need for this.

B (60:49)

So the guard is very tall.

A (60:50)

Yeah. And I brought it out of retirement. And no, those are the plastic bullshit attachments. I have the real metal. The metal cartridges.

B (60:59)

All right?

A (61:00)

Those are the comb guides. I have the fucking Proper. The Model 10 classic that like those? No, those are the comb ones too. It's where you replace the entire metal cartridge on top.

B (61:13)

Okay.

A (61:14)

So anyway, found it, man. I have to grease the motor in this thing, like, service it. And it is extremely. When you fucking hit the. That giant toggle switch on the bottom and you hear it, it doesn't just go from off to on. It accelerates.

B (61:31)

There's a delay.

A (61:35)

And then you fucking drop a few drops of oil on it. And then you can. You hit a couple drops of oil on it, and then it goes even faster.

B (61:41)

Well, the sound changes, right, because it's dry.

A (61:45)

Get that oil going, man. Oh, it's like. That's like a. It's like using a riding mower for the first time. It's like crushing.

B (61:53)

Just crushing acreage not and well, I mean you've said before like you have the Arab hair. So like it's not too much power. No, no, no, he said this. I'm repeating it.

A (62:02)

Just no resistance. You know, sometimes if you're buzzing and then you know and your buzzer gets bogged down cause you're going too fast.

B (62:08)

I totally know what that's like.

A (62:09)

No such thing.

B (62:11)

Definitely no such thing.

A (62:12)

Dude, I should have combed it this morning.

B (62:15)

I still use the Brio Beardscape when I.

A (62:17)

It's a great portable buzzer. Great portable buzzer.

B (62:19)

Lasts for like a year on one charge.

A (62:22)

And my Brio Beardscape works fucking perfectly. But I've broken the plasticky comb attachments. Those. That's the. That's the fragile. That's the problem. So now we have this thing weighs like a kilogram. It's fucking. You throw the cord over your shoulder. Like it's.

B (62:41)

Well, it's got the cord guard.

A (62:43)

Dude, the cord's like 12ft. It's like. It's like an open mic cable.

B (62:47)

Yeah. Because you need to be able to walk around the whole chair. And it's got a guard on it. The guard, the cable guard is as thick as. As like your 12 volt battery in your car.

A (62:56)

And there's a place, you know. Cause I live like on the edge of the hood. There's a place like just into the hood that is like a barbershop service center. And he also does knife sharpening. So I went in there and he had some knife sharpened. I talked to this motherfucker about buzzers for 35 minutes straight.

B (63:17)

What I've noticed now like at this point in my life is I see how people become the old person you see in the wild. So if I walked in that store and there was an 80 year old man and he was just chatting to this guy about buzzers, I go, man, that guy. I wonder what happened. Maybe his wife died. He's got nothing to do. He's in here just chatting buzzers. Nope, it starts far before that.

A (63:35)

Yeah, yeah.

B (63:36)

And it's just the interest we have in whatever.

A (63:38)

I had another one of them the other day I took when my nephew Cole was here and I took him to Film Tools in Burbank. Cause he likes cars and photography. And I set him up with a suction cup rig. I sent him home with a rig to shoot some cars. And we're in there and I was like, oh, need whatever the fuck. I needed some little thing. And I went up to the counter and he was just Chatting with some older dude who was relaxing in a director's chair like this. And while the guy looked in the back for whatever it was, it was, well, you know, back, you know, just. I don't know where we were going, but we started.

B (64:11)

We were.

A (64:11)

For 25 minutes, we talked about absolutely nothing. And he was like, don't worry about me. I got nowhere to be.

B (64:18)

He's like, no one's buying stuff here anymore. They all get it on Amazon.

A (64:24)

Anyway. That's what shopping's like now.

B (64:26)

Yeah.

A (64:26)

I love in person shopping. It is great. It's not like shopping shopping, but like, go to the knife sharpening store, get eight, ten chef's knives done.

B (64:36)

That's a good idea. I bought a sharpening block, which I enjoy, like learning the process of and doing at home really quick.

A (64:42)

Yeah.

B (64:43)

And I sharpened our scissors, which I had never done. And it worked. And I was so proud that it worked. But we only have two chef's knives, so if I had to do 10, then it might kind of.

A (64:54)

I do it.

B (64:54)

That's.

A (64:54)

That's my. Once a year.

B (64:55)

Yeah.

A (64:56)

Is to. I do. I do the inter.

B (64:58)

The.

A (64:58)

The in between maintenance, the honing, a little home sharpening. And then once a year, I send my new west knife works ones with the rainbow handles. All those free lifetime sharpening.

B (65:09)

That's pretty.

A (65:09)

So I send the whole back when I go out of town for like a week, FedEx them shits to Wyoming. And then they come back all sharp. All the serrated ones too. That I can't do. And then the ones that aren't new west, I bring to this dude now, which is where I learned about the fucking cartridge for The Oster Model 10. Yes. These. This is what it's like being 44.

B (65:29)

Fountain pens and beard trimmers.

A (65:31)

So excited.

B (65:32)

So funny.

A (65:33)

So excited.

B (65:33)

Did he ever. Did he say, what are you using it for? And you're like, my beard. He's like, that's too powerful for the beard. That's for your head.

A (65:38)

He was crazy. He said, most people. People don't have those for home use. And I was like, I. I was like, I knew what I liked.

B (65:44)

Shipped it to a state and then into California. Because you can't just buy it straight, direct here.

A (65:48)

Not like my shower heads.

B (65:50)

Yeah, like my. My water filter.

A (65:54)

Gotta get the shower heads, yo. Is that Nevada grade?

B (65:57)

They put a new shower head in our apartment. And. Ah, it's slower.

A (66:00)

Oh, no.

B (66:01)

Yeah. I mean, we could switch it if we want to. Like, it takes five minutes and I have the ability, but we got a new one for a reason. And then the guy, the guy, he's installing it and then we'll get to questions and he's like, you know, this calcium problem, you could just soak it in vinegar. And I literally go, yeah. You know, they keep raising our rent, so I'll take the free shower.

A (66:18)

I don't own this place, buddy. I'll take the fucking shower.

B (66:20)

Yeah, I'm getting my money back.

A (66:22)

Oh, but it's a low flow. They just announced we're the first. It's the first time we're drought free in like 26 years or something.

B (66:28)

Yeah, so we might want to keep saving some money. You know, as you spoke about in the last show. No, don't spend all of it.

A (66:34)

It's not. Listen, it's America. Gas go down. I need a three row suv. I think about having a baby one day.

B (66:41)

TRX has more power now. 717. Oh my God. The TRX and the DBX have the same power, right?

A (66:49)

No, I think The TRX is 770.

B (66:52)

Oh, I believe you might be right.

A (66:54)

I think it's 770. I think they're like, we.

B (66:58)

Oh yeah. 777.

A (66:59)

We may never get a shot to build the world's least fuel efficient vehicle again. We better fucking do it now.

B (67:07)

If he's getting a ballroom, we're getting a TRX with 800 horsepower.

A (67:10)

Johnny Lieberman told me, and obviously it hasn't come to pass, but Johnny Lieberman told me that the Escalade engineer, the engineers who did the Escalade V were told that Cadillac's going full electric. This is the last exhaust you will ever design. And so that's why the Escalade V is like loud enough to wake the dead for that exact reason. Fucking have your last shots, boys. We're getting sober tomorrow.

B (67:38)

That's like every movie where they're like, they're taking mom's house to tomorrow tonight we party. And it's just like the movie's about that.

A (67:44)

You just know at Ram, you go, fuck, we gotta make it. We got a couple years with this guy. Look, after this guy's gone, you know they're gonna fucking ram this electric down ours. We're have to figure out how to make an electric car and a hybrid car. But we got about two, three years to get this motherfucker done. We could build the least fuel efficient. Fuck you invade Venezuela and get more oil car of all fucking time. You want to hear? We could take up two parking spaces every fucking where we go we're making it 7 inches wider. We're making it 4 inches taller. It's going to be 8,600 pounds, 770 horsepower. It's going to average 2.2 miles per gallon. And if you don't fucking like it, get out.

B (68:25)

I want the H1 Hummer to look like a wart on the cock that is the trx because I want it.

A (68:30)

To be the mountain yesterday. It looks small.

B (68:33)

Yeah, they do. I mean, when I drove that one for Doug's channel, I did the measurements, I went, oh, it's narrower than, than a new Bronco Raptor. Holy moly. It just, it just looks. Because it's so flat and low. It looks wide as hell. Yeah.

A (68:48)

How charming. How charmingly practical.

B (68:51)

H1 is easier to park.

A (68:52)

It's. Yeah, they are easy to park.

B (68:55)

They're short. Yeah. And the slab slided. You can see every part of it.

A (68:58)

They're good.

B (69:00)

It's not comfortable inside.

A (69:02)

Yeah. What do you, what do you think one morning in the Johnson Valley with a trx, what do you think fuel economy wise? Two.

B (69:14)

The way I would drive it. I mean, look, that truck is so silly in so many ways, but is it a good time? Like, you know, is a Metallica concert fun, but you know, probably kill some birds nearby? Sure, who cares? Like, it's a rad time. It's a big. But I think whenever I've driven big production vehicles in the desert, I go, man, a dedicated racer for this is probably even better. Better because it's less compromised. It's a little lighter maybe. Yeah. And it just kind of inspires me to want to be around more off road racing.

A (69:42)

The smaller ones are more. I think the Bronco Raptor is more fun than a full size Raptor, even with that.

B (69:48)

And I know it's a totally different type of vehicle, but when you see the people that have taken like an old Ranger and they put all the parts on or Tacoma or whatever and it's got like a decent engine. I bet that's just an absolute riot because then it's a more disposable thing.

A (70:00)

Sure. Yeah. Disposable. I mean, also, you lease it. You just lease.

B (70:06)

I know, that's what's wild. And then just go for it. It would be really fun for the desert running. Yeah.

A (70:11)

It's the new Ram. Lease and send event. Lease it and fucking send it, bro.

B (70:18)

But I'm sure you've seen the video. There's a famous Raptor video. This guy, he's just. It's a shot pov. This guy's out in the desert, and he's walking, and his friend is, you know, takes the truck out here, and you can almost hear the beer, like, in the person's voice. He's like, all right, he's gonna go for it. He's got his phone vertical, and then he turns it sideways, which is perfect. And the dude just. He's accelerating towards, like, a gravel road. So it's raised maybe 8 inches on each side. Right. Very gentle type thing, and he just floors it. And now, knowing what I know about jumping cars from the road and track article, I did go read it. It's online right now. He just stays in the throttle, and it hits, and then donkey kicks and just lands on the roof. And the guy filming it is like, yeah, man, go for it, Braden. Or whatever. Just like. And as soon as it goes up in the air, he goes, oh, no. And it just. And I think. I hope the guy was okay. It's a bad accident, but it's. You can't just take. The super. Vehicle has to be driven a certain way, or it will no longer be superpowered.

A (71:14)

How should Brayden have taken that?

B (71:18)

Approach it slow, approach it slower. And then right before the jump, you want to tap the brakes a little bit. You want to drop the weight to the front of the vehicle, and then as the springs pop back up in the front, you accelerate because you want to. Your goal is to send the weight to the back of the truck, and that helps prevent the donkey kick. But the other thing is, if the takeoff is too short, it's very hard to manage that kind of stuff.

A (71:40)

Sure.

B (71:40)

Because it's just.

A (71:41)

Because it could. It just.

B (71:42)

Because as the front. The front comes up in the air, and it's already. Gravity is already pulling it down, down as the back goes up that ramp.

A (71:49)

Sure. And the longer your wheelbase, the worse the effect.

B (71:52)

Absolutely. So you need to balance, like, the size of the ramp. How much acceleration can you get on the surface? You're on. And he just. I mean, this dude hit the jump. I'll find it. He hit it at, like, 60 miles per hour.

A (72:04)

Yeah. That you. There's. There's math involved in jumping cars, as it turns out. Actually. Did you get. What. How did. Did you get a math formula, really, for how do you figure out what your appropriate speed is for distance?

B (72:18)

I did not. But our friend Chip, you know, what's Chip's last name? I forget. Starts with P. Jen. Horsey's Chip.

A (72:27)

Yeah, He.

B (72:27)

I mean, this guy was like, I don't know.

A (72:28)

Chip's fucking.

B (72:29)

He was, like, the creator and executive producer of Nitro Rallycross and a bunch of other things. Like, I talked. I interviewed him for the piece, and I think they cut his quotes.

A (72:38)

But.

B (72:39)

But as they worked on, over the years, learning how to jump cars and talking to ramp builders, they figured out there was a formula of if the car hits this ramp at X speed, it can land, it can go 10ft over or 150ft over, and it will be okay. So they had a formula. He didn't share the formula. But they do have a system now.

A (72:59)

Tanner's gotta be the expert in that system, Dude.

B (73:02)

He talked to me for, like, an hour, and that was amazing. But he's like, yeah, if you wanna go 400ft, you got to start bringing in, like, ailerons. Because it was fascinating. Talking about the Hot Wheels jump, the rotation of the engine had to be, like, thought about, because you're flying so far, and then the truck will start to, like, list and roll. And he. And he's like, if you want to go any further than most of us have really gone, you have to start compensating for that with active arrow. Wow. Which. Which is you're building an airplane, meaning.

A (73:33)

You then have to fly the car.

B (73:35)

Yes. Yeah. Because then you would either need, like, pastrana, you know, on the family huckster, they've got that active arrow to kind of change the pitch of it in the air so they can do long jumps and stay flat. But now, you know, Tanner's talking about the rotation on that axis, which is a whole different ball game. Super crazy.

A (73:54)

Well, I wonder if he's talking about the rotation because of the engine. I wonder if Subaru being a flat engine.

B (74:02)

I think it was the crank.

A (74:03)

Oh, yeah.

B (74:04)

So I think it's you. You're. I think you have to compensate for the crank rotation over that. Because the Hot wheels jump was 346ft or 372ft. It was extremely far. A lot of hang time. And when he came down, if you go watch the video, I think his successful landing, he. He came down on the side of the tire, folded the tire, and, like, the wheel caught, and then it went back to, you know, landed upright. But if he'd flown probably. Probably 20 more feet. I mean, he probably just landed on the side of the wheel and then. Yeah, slid. Let's watch this real quick, and then we will. This is the.

A (74:37)

Is this the. This is Braden.

B (74:39)

Yeah. He's been re. Uploaded so many times.

A (74:41)

Oh. Brand new Raptor super crew. It's a good thing he took the cup out of the car.

B (74:51)

So you got a gray Raptor off in the distance. So here. Do you see the Raptor?

A (74:54)

Definitely a six cylinder. Oh, this is all that's.

B (74:58)

So maybe it's like a foot tall.

A (74:59)

Yeah, about a foot. But it's a short kicker.

B (75:02)

The kicker is maybe two feet long.

A (75:04)

Dude, if you wanted to jump this, you'd hit it at 10.

B (75:07)

Yes. And then you'd floor it.

A (75:08)

Yeah.

B (75:08)

And you'd still.

A (75:09)

You could. You could start a foot from the jump just right and just floor it from is how you would do it.

B (75:15)

And it's the jump length is the width of a road.

A (75:18)

Oh, he's coming over this road. Yeah. Super hot. Oh, my God. God. Oh, wow.

B (75:26)

Full cartwheel forward.

A (75:27)

That was a major donkey kick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (75:31)

But he came in at 50, 60 miles per hour. Yeah.

A (75:35)

And I hope that guy didn't die. That looks terrible.

B (75:40)

I think I'm. I'm like. I learned a lot about jumping cars that I. More than I ever thought I could. And I'm really glad I did so that I didn't hurt myself. It is a little bit more complicated than people.

A (75:49)

People think just because I don't even know if they'll be real. But click the comments and see if there's any kind of link to whether or not someone died doing that. Just a bunch of bad memes. Bunch of people correctly identifying what happened and good thing. Do we have a driver update yet? Let's see if there's some replies to that. No, no, no. Nope. No, it doesn't say. Okay, well, if anyone knows if that guy lived.

B (76:21)

Don't eat a lot of airbags deployed. I. Yeah.

A (76:24)

Oh, yeah.

B (76:25)

I hope that person's okay.

A (76:26)

That's fucking nuts. That's crazy shit. Yeah. Let's go to the people. Patreon.com the Smoking Tiger podcast is how you get in the game. You can ask questions of the show, you can get the show early, you can get the show without ads, you get extra show and you get access to exclusive, exclusive collabs and things that we come up with that are very fun. And let's see what those people have to say. Bald, bearded, and beautiful. I can relate. Thinking of replacing my Taycan Cross Turismo. And the new Taycans with improved range are still very pricey. What about a Macan GTS ev? I have driven none of the Macan Electric. Zach, you've driven two of them, haven't you?

B (77:11)

No, I just drove the first one on the launch. So I have not, I have no exposure to the gts, but I imagine it's stiffer and therefore like a little bit less comfortable. But I think it really depends on where you live. Like I drove the, on the launch, we were in France. I think like roads are smooth, curvy and excuse me, I was not wanting for a stiffer vehicle. Like, like it was plenty quick and plenty fun in the corners. So I don't know. For me, the gtss I've driven. The Taycan GTS is so fun, but only if you drive it in the way that really benefits from that kind of performance.

A (77:46)

Yeah, the Taycan GTS was similar in 95% of ways to my Taycan 4. Unless you're going fast, you know, when you're doing everyday things from cruising on the highway to running errands to sitting in traffic, they're the same kind of car, especially with EVs. Specifically, the power will go from here to here. It'll go from whatever the base Macan 4 is 300 and something horsepower to the 600 horsepower Macan turbo. Right.

B (78:20)

Is it 600, something like that?

A (78:21)

Six something, whatever. So the GTS will be 500. I don't even know. But they all feel the same at half throttle and so. So it's really going to be about do you want the GTS ride?

B (78:34)

That is it. Yeah.

A (78:36)

Run GMC. I like that. Thoughts on the 2014-18 Audi RS7? I love my Golf R, but I want something a little more mature. That mature is the right word. Those Rs7s are fast as fuck. They're not particularly interesting to drive. They're not like dynamic but they're fast, they handle all right.

B (79:00)

They look cool.

A (79:01)

Yeah, they do look cool. I mean I went on the press launch for that car, I did 200 miles an hour on the press launch in the middle of the fucking desert. That car like that is a legitimate 200 mile an hour car. ZF8 speed gearbox, stout. I haven't heard any terrible horror stories.

B (79:16)

I don't know. I would do your research on if there are horror stories like look at forums or whatever before you get it because it's a complicated Audi, it's a Twin Turbo V8, but I think they're rad. And yeah, it is more mature for sure. It's got a presence to it, man. Great design.

A (79:37)

Oh man, poop to sample. Kind of fun. Favorite watch new or used from 8 to $12,000 from these brands is this one per each brand Brand?

B (79:53)

I guess. Yeah.

A (79:54)

Okay. Tag the new carrera glass box IWC. The 41 millimeter pilot watch, metal bracelet. Straightforward, simple. Omega. That's going to be the white dial. Speedmaster. Panerai is going to be the Radiomir 45 millimeter. Always keep it very simple. Rolex for that price. 8:12 as far as I know. That'll get you into a no date sub. That's probably where where I'm at. Or that new cream o oyster perpetual 41. It's pretty fire that pistachio joint. I'm only fans top supporter. What's crazier? Oh, this is crazy. Can you pull up the mecham Ferrari Results? Someone spent 1.8 million on a 360 Stradale. And someone else spent 18 million on an Enzo. 17 million on an Enzo. That's there. That should do it. The yellow. That's the full yellow collection. But also, also that David Lee guy bought the white GTO for 38 million. But the $17 million Enzo, other than being yellow. Let's see, what is it about this? One of 11 yellow enzos delivered to the U.S. it only done 649 miles. Okay, so.

B (81:38)

That'S a good shade of yellow.

A (81:41)

I just, I don't get that. That's, that's very straight. I don't see eight figures for Enzos.

B (81:52)

I'd rather get two Koenigseggs or more, you know? That is so much money, dude.

A (81:58)

That's so much money. You could. And I've driven Enzo's like they're cool, but fucking nah. That's a single clutch gearbox, dude. That's not.

B (82:09)

Not well because what did someone say that the F50 went for at the same auction?

A (82:14)

9.0. There's an F50 at this auction. Oh, here's an F59 point. Wait, 12 fucking million. What are they? Is this just all crypto scams? Like who are the. Who's paying this much money for this shit?

B (82:28)

Crypto's down a lot, so I doubt.

A (82:30)

This is very much. The, the haves, the have nots and the have lots of this is. I mean if you have billions, the fuck do you care between 9 and 12. And I can't possibly imagine.

B (82:43)

Let's see, it was owned by a golfer.

A (82:48)

Ian Poulter. Ian Poulter, the golfer. The Last one, the 9.24, was owned by Ralph Lauren, a guy known for collecting fucking special Ferraris.

B (82:57)

And that sold last year.

A (82:58)

That was one year ago.

B (83:00)

So one year ago is 9.2.

A (83:02)

And by the way, Ralph's was. Yeah, Ralph's was yellow. This one's red. There's very few yellow F50s. There's a lot of red ones.

B (83:10)

I mean, imagine when your bank account has billions and you get drunk at the auction.

A (83:15)

That's this.

B (83:17)

And maybe someone else has the same account and they're drunk and you just go back and forth.

A (83:22)

Yeah, I mean, I understand. Eight figures for an F50 more than I do for Enzo. Wait, so an F40? Dude, this F40 sold for 6.6 million. 5.8. That's crazy money for F40s. These guys had a good day down there at mecum. Can you find this challenge stradale? Because that's really the most absurd. I don't know where it went, but someone paid $1.8 million for a 360 Challenge Stradale, which apparently it was. Was a good. A good color at.

B (84:06)

It's too fake.

A (84:08)

Mecham 2026. There it. There it is. Two days ago. The second. Whatever that Instagram link is two days ago. That. So this is 1.87 million in finished in. And an extra campionario non standard color British Racing Green 375 mile car. So you can't drive it. This is a museum car.

B (84:38)

So you have a dark green challenge for Dale.

A (84:42)

It's very pretty. Green tan.

B (84:44)

Yeah. I think I need to see it in the sun.

A (84:46)

But maybe there's more photos. But you cannot drop drive it. That is. That is the thing. It stays parked and that's it.

B (84:54)

And that sucks.

A (84:55)

It does a great interior. Yeah. It's a great spec. Yeah.

B (84:59)

I mean, hopefully whoever bought it is brave enough to drive it.

A (85:02)

Just.

B (85:03)

I mean, if you have all the money. I mean, we've talked about this before. Like, they don't want the number to go down, but then what's the point of getting the super cool thing?

A (85:10)

Nobody's spending that kind of money on this car for the number to go. Go down.

B (85:14)

Yeah, it's not happening. Like, what is a normal CS go for these days?

A (85:18)

I mean, it's a laughable $400,000 because this is about $150,000 driving experience. Look on, look on. Look on bat here.

B (85:33)

This one in September of last year, this one went to 610.

A (85:36)

That was a record. Yeah, 610 was the record for one of these. And God damn. Is it good in silver?

B (85:42)

I think it's better in silver.

A (85:43)

Green, better in.

B (85:45)

Now the green one might be the only one go down.

A (85:47)

How many. Does it say how many miles were on it? Keep going, keep going, keep going. I'd say 17,000 miles.

B (85:55)

4,500 miles. No, no, no.

A (85:59)

No, no. Go up, go up, go up. Oh, no, sorry, it just said. It was like the next paragraph down. I thought it said 17. Oh, 70,000 units. Exclusive. Excuse me, how many miles? Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. The miles are also low. It just says low. All right. Well, it's great in silver. Really good in silver. Dude, honestly, I would look. They sound great and they look great, but you'd wreck the value converting one to manual. And the manual cars are just so much fucking better.

B (86:36)

See the, this one, this 126 miles.

A (86:39)

Oh, but that's December 2025. This is like a DK. That's a DK photo for sure. That's gotta be DK engineering. Yes, it is. Of course it is. Of course it is. Yeah. I'll tell you what I'd rather spend, by the way, this blue is fabulous on this car. I'd rather spend that money from dk, knowing you're getting a full serviced fresh car. These guys are going to service the shit out of that thing.

B (87:07)

Yeah, this one's sold for 500,000 British pounds last year.

A (87:13)

So what's crazier? Spending 17 million on an Enzo or 1.8 million on a Stradale? You can't drive.

B (87:22)

I think the Stradale because it's supposed to be a racetrack car and it's supposed to be driven. I mean, the Enzo, you could say it is. The Enzo's always been. It's like one of the first hypercars. It's always been a flagship. A flagship. It's. It's been collectible from the moment they had it, announced it. And this, I mean it's collectible. Cause it's cool, but it's just like, I don't know, it's based on their normal entry level car, right?

A (87:46)

Yeah. And like you could get another, a Low Mile Ferrari360 for so much less money. And even if you wanted to change the fucking color, you know, or have it re trimmed or whatever, like it just, I don't see the value in spending enormous money on a car you can't drive. So I gotta say, say it's more crazy to spend 1.8 million on a brick of a challenge.

B (88:11)

And I think you could build your own CS. You could get close with a whatever360. You can't build your own. You can't take a lesser car and build it up to Enzo. There's no mid engine V12 car that they have. They go, oh, this is the Cheap one.

A (88:26)

Well, if you really want a yellow Enzo, it becomes about, well, how many are there there? Who's selling it? When are they selling it? How much do you want to pay to get one out of somebody's hands versus here's one that's for sale right now. That's crazy. All of that shit is crazy. This is going to be really something because you have shit like this happening where a Ferrari F50 somehow record sales goes from 9 million to 12 million in a year. Meanwhile, like regular people can't fucking afford regular cars. And enthusiasts of cars just have no fucking options.

B (89:15)

Cars and bids in December. A red 360 manual sold for 110.

A (89:20)

Yeah, that's where you want to be. Tickle your pickle for a triple nickel. What's your bad scenario that you secretly wish happens so you can save the day?

B (89:38)

Well, sometimes if I watch a bank heist movie, I go, I could be the driver, getaway driver. He's not a hero at all, but I think something like that. Like, someone has to get to the hospital immediately.

A (89:49)

Well, I had this happen. I once I came upon on a crash up on the top of the fucking road, right? Like before satellite texting became a thing like two years ago, and someone had to go to cell phone service and call for fucking help. And boy, was it my day. I was in my pink car and I drove as fast as fucking possible with no disregard for laws and really almost anything else to get to service. And I did call and I saw the fucking ch going the other way when I finally got to the highway. It was great. Yeah, I mean, it wasn't great. The guy was very hurt, and I hope he's okay. I don't think he. It didn't look like he was gonna die, but like, he was alive when I left.

B (90:35)

I forget, was it motorcycle or car?

A (90:36)

Motorcycle. Yeah, motorcycle. But, yeah, I got to drive as fast as possible to cell service to call the ambulance or the chopper. Yeah, what else?

B (90:47)

Oh, right. Go down so much.

A (90:50)

Fuck. Marry kills. I need to take a break from those for a minute. Uh, I don't have an answer for that one. I blow horns. Are there any vehicles that are mediocre at 5, 7, 10, but come alive at the limit? I would genuinely think that good limit behavior would correlate with. With good linear sublimit behavior, but was curious if you ever experienced the opposite.

B (91:22)

I think the second part of their statement is correct. Usually a car that feels, you know, pretty good below the limit. Well, no, they fall apart. Some of them fall apart. At 8/10. We've talked about that before. Like a lot of Jaguars usually did that, but feel good at the limit.

A (91:41)

So I have one, I mean, I have one that's interesting. The BMW M2, I'm not particularly interested in most of the time, but when I had it on the track and I went full off, it's a complete animal that you have to like fucking ride like a bull around the track. Like it wants to spin the tires through fourth gear. It is so unbelievably pointy. If you're braking and you turn in, it will initiate a slide and like that's the shit. Like when you go full off in an M2 on a track, it's unbelievably fun. I don't find it all that interesting on the street.

B (92:18)

Yeah, I think that's true. A lot of cars now are, unless they're loud. I think character seems to be getting engineered out of cars just by having all the NVH and stuff. So if it's quiet inside, it's less about being at the limit and more about like you can truly experience the, the car. But below that they can feel too quiet.

A (92:39)

Yeah. Matt Paradigm titties. Matt Paradigm titties. There you go. I have a lifted 2024 runner that I want to trade in. I live in Colorado and want more mountain power. Put stock tires back on your 4Runner, you get like 100 horsepower. But I also want to get to campsites and do some medium off roading reliably. I have an FJ Cruiser for more hardcore stuff. Is the Land Cruiser 250 a good pick or should I get a 2020 GX460? Look, I don't do much off roading and we drove the Land Cruiser and it was nice. The one we drove was the hybrid one, the four cylinder hybrid one, which I thought was pretty good at off roading and I thought it was better than the Lexus. Not better, it was a better value than the Lexus GX that they're selling right now, which for all of its price difference did not really feel all that much different most of the time.

B (93:47)

I think the 2020, these new ones. 2021, right.

A (93:52)

It's an LX too. This is a GX, which is a V8. I mean, the fuel economy will be way better in the new car than the old car. But I don't know what it's like to drive the current land cruiser at 8,000ft up and down mountains. I really don't. I drove it slowly up an off road trail and other than that, just around elevator.

B (94:14)

It might be good at that because it's a hybrid plus it has a turbo so that might be help it. It'll certainly be nicer, it'll be nice inside. But I don't know if I was going to own one for a really long time, I would drift towards the GX just because it's an old Lexus V8. Seems like a really known quantity.

A (94:35)

Ali dhaneshvar. Which traditional OEM where brands have entered the EV market? Which one has been been the most successful? Like what, what mainstream OEM that entered the EV market has been the most successful?

B (95:02)

Like not Mercedes.

A (95:03)

Huh? Not Mercedes. I would say either Ford or Hyundai. Kia probably, right? Yeah, probably, probably, probably. Hyundai, Kia, they've expanded to a whole line of cars.

B (95:19)

I think I see more. Yeah because like the EV9, I see a lot of those.

A (95:24)

There's a ton of around.

B (95:26)

I think it's like one of the best three row SUV evs you can like. It's one of the best offered out there.

A (95:32)

There's also a bunch of the Ionic Sixes.

B (95:35)

Ionic Sixes? See a lot of fives here too. I don't see that many Mach E's. I see like, I don't know, one a week, maybe two a week. I saw a rally up in Mali. Yeah.

A (95:43)

Oh, I see a lot of Mach Es around, but I know I see a lot more EV sixes and Ioniq 5s than I do Mach Es. Yeah. BMW electrics are just not that interesting to me. They, they're kind of bland in ways that like there's very little about a BMW EV that makes it stand out to me from a Hyundai or 2 Kia EV or Ford in a meaningful way, which is unfortunate. Same goes for kind of Audi. You have to get pretty. Your high end EVs have to be pretty fucking odd. Like Taycan drives like a Porsche in a lot of ways which you know is, is really to its benefit. The Lucid and the Rivian are, are unique in their own ways. The Lucid's packaging, the Rivian's like software and speed, speed and build quality. Those are really, really good for just average regular cars. Tough to justify a BMW electric car. I may be a Snowflake, but my Grand Seiko is too. Anytime I hear anyone speak about Audi sports sedans, they say they get boring after about three months. But I never hear that about the Golf R. It's not the same car, but a platform is a platform. Despite this, the Golf R is talked about positively as a long term Solution. But the RS3 isn't, I think we.

B (97:13)

Like we've said and you've heard from customers, the RS6 bores them after a couple months. The bigger sedans, the bigger sedans, I think it's less common with the smaller ones because the people that are buying Golf RS&Rs3s I think are driving enthusiasts more. They've made a little more money than maybe civic Type R people. They want to have a slightly nicer car. They want an M2 with four doors, basically. But I think there's a deeper like love and interest in those cars. They're bought by enthusiasts versus fast Audi sedans, S6, S8, RS7, whatever. It's like someone's just rotating into their newest fast sedan and they go, oh, okay, I've done it. What else is out there?

A (97:54)

Yeah, and I don't think the RS3 and the S3 are in the same class as those bigger cars. I think they're. I think the things you say about the Golf R probably apply to those two cars fairly equally.

B (98:07)

I think. I think the RS3 S3 and the Golf R are all made to bring car enthusiasts into the brand in the hope that they will then buy a Q6 when they have kids. That's what it's for.

A (98:18)

Right? David Tuig, the pink one in the stink, wants us to weigh in on this auction on bring a trailer that allegedly uses AI images. Pick 18. It has two column shifters. Can we take a look at that? Is this for real? No reserve. Withdrawn. Well, I guess it was withdrawn for this reason, but let's go look at pick 18 with the two column shift shifters. So.

B (98:48)

Well, first like this.

A (98:50)

Something looks a little weird about this.

B (98:54)

It looks like the car is coming out of the ground on this third picture. Look at the angle of the seat and the road behind it.

A (99:00)

Yeah, something's weird there, but keep going. All right, this is. Go down to the gallery, all the way to the gallery and let's go to the pick number 18. You can just click. If you click one, it'll bring it up and you can just click the arrows. Here's 16. Oh, shit.

B (99:18)

Oh, wow.

A (99:18)

There do appear to be two column shifters. Can you zoom in? Click the magnifying glass top right. Let's see if we can punch in on that further. Is that all we've got? No.

B (99:30)

Oh, well, let me punch in.

A (99:31)

That's it. Well, that does look a little wonky. There do appear to be two column shifters coming out of the steering column there. And there was Another one that said the floor mats were pebbles.

B (99:47)

Cobblestone floor mats. I mean.

A (99:48)

Yeah.

B (99:49)

So you got two shift. This is. And this. Like, the vent's weird.

A (99:52)

No, I don't know if that's weird, but the two column shifters is bad for sure. Wait, wait, look. There's no door frame. Look, this door. That's not a frameless door.

B (100:05)

Correct.

A (100:06)

Here's a photo showing the passenger side interior door card. And there's literally no forward door frame in a car that does have.

B (100:16)

Now, it's funny. There's a huge side mirror and then there's just nothing above it. Yeah, it's just open.

A (100:21)

But there's a rear door frame. That's hilarious, dude.

B (100:27)

Wow. So how did.

A (100:29)

What?

B (100:29)

Like what? I mean, this is a picture of the odometer, and it's got, like, a reflection of someone's hand. So someone.

A (100:34)

You think there was. Someone was just cleaning it all up or something?

B (100:37)

No, I think someone wanted to see if they could get away with this.

A (100:41)

Like, do you think it's a fake car?

B (100:42)

Yeah.

A (100:43)

You think it's a completely fake car?

B (100:44)

Yeah.

A (100:45)

And you think someone was gonna collect money and then just not deliver a car?

B (100:50)

Possible. Or they were just testing their software and like, look, what better place to test your fake car software than on an auction site where people pay attention to everything.

A (100:59)

Yeah.

B (101:00)

And like this.

A (101:06)

But do. I don't do. So you think it's a completely fake car? I don't think so.

B (101:12)

You think. I think some of the pictures were fake.

A (101:14)

I think some of the pictures are fake and some of the pictures are real.

B (101:19)

Weird. Now you know, maybe now your theory also holds water. Like, someone took these pictures of the regular car, and then they're like, oh, let's clean these up a bit. And they punt. They just. They ran it and they uploaded and then they went, oh, fuck it. Cleaned it up and added two shifters. But that's. Yeah, that might be a thing.

A (101:35)

I think it's more likely that somebody. Oh, look at the back. The back is cobblestone.

B (101:42)

It's cobblestone carpet. So for people listening, the car is parked on, like, a cobblestone ish stone driveway. And now the carpet in the back seat has kind of mirrored that pattern of multiple different sized blocks, and then it's gone. The next picture, you go to the next picture and it's just the normal rug. Yeah, this is really weird.

A (102:01)

That's pretty funny, dude. Oh, look, in this photo, all the carpets are cobblestone. In photo number 30, do you have.

B (102:10)

Randy Nonman's cell phone number asking what's going on.

A (102:14)

Dude, this is so funny. Oh, look, look, look. You can sit right so the engine.

B (102:21)

The radiator support is gone. And you can just see the cobbler, which, you know, actually could be real if they're missing that. That part. This is wild, dude. That.

A (102:32)

Oh, look, there it is. Look, the radiator shroud has returned.

B (102:36)

That's so. Yeah, I think. I think your idea, man, these pictures.

A (102:41)

Dude, some of it was just real lazy.

B (102:43)

I think you're right because the, like the shadow on this is all really nice and artsy and then you kind of turn the contrast up on the photo a bit. But here they just ran it through. Yeah. AI you know, Adobe Photoshop automatic process and it fucked their world up.

A (102:58)

This is why you should have west side collector car storage help you list your car. That's just saying. That's crazy. That's so funny. Oh, you fucked up, bro. Nice mid mod house though, in the back. Little Beverly Hills vibe. It's definitely grandpa's fucking Cadillac of Beverly Hills hell. Hell yeah.

B (103:19)

Very.

A (103:19)

Wow.

B (103:20)

Problematic rules.

A (103:21)

Oh, God, that's so funny. I love that you're. Oh, man, I like the Carl's matzo ball soup says, what would your dream movie be? Dude, we.

B (103:37)

I would have. I looked at this question earlier. I don't like people complicated. I would have George Miller, who did, you know, direct, wrote and directed Mad Max Fury Road. I'd have him direct some car movie and only practical effects. That's all I got.

A (103:58)

I couldn't tell you what my dream movie would be.

B (104:00)

I think it's.

A (104:01)

That's crazy.

B (104:01)

It's too complicated a question.

A (104:03)

Instead, I'll tell you this. Hannah was on Facebook Marketplace yesterday morning, as she is most mornings, and she found a Demolition man movie car set. It is a set of all the GM concept cars used in Demolition Man. Make offer $50. And now we have new additions to the Demolition man bathroom.

B (104:25)

I'm gonna put them in the bathroom.

A (104:27)

We're gonna have to make a shelf.

B (104:28)

You know, it'd be cool. You could like stick into the wall, like as if they're driving up the wall like a chase.

A (104:33)

Oh, that could be fun.

B (104:34)

Some sticky things.

A (104:35)

Christian just got us a cordless hot glass glue gun, so we will have a need to play with that.

B (104:39)

There you go.

A (104:39)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Matt's missing countach part. If you had to pick one car that the worst drivers drive, what is it? This is very easy.

B (104:50)

Model 3.

A (104:51)

The Model 3 or a Nissan Altima. Those are your. Those Are your two gold standards light Bias says? Is Breitling turning their fortunes around with the enthusiast queen crowd? There seems to be very solid feedback on their new in house movements. It seems like they're still in limbo. What can Breitling do to better their standing? I think Breitling's watches look really nice right now. The problem with Breitling was like they got when my dad was running Ralph Lauren and rappers and shit started buying clothes like Kanye started buying polos and all these guys started buying polos. Ralph very wisely resisted the urge to change anything in order to target this new customer base fucking headfirst, right? Tommy Hilfiger changed his shit all around to target that type of customer. And then when that trend went away, Hilfiger was fucked and Ralph was able to continue on. Breitling was Hilfiger. Breitling went with these huge blingy, gaudy shit. And then almost overnight huge watches were like instantly not cool anymore. So they had to redesign all their shit to be a little more contemporary and now they're doing a nice job. But just like all other Swiss watch brands that aren't Rolex, AP or Patek, you still want to buy one used like fucking 50% off, right? They're like any mid tier luxury Swiss brand. Their watches will depreciate. You can probably negotiate a bit in the stores, but they are quite nice. And I'm having my superocean serviced right now so I can wear it later this when I go to the Caribbean later.

B (106:45)

I know your birthday just happened, but I'm looking at the Breitling NFL editions and I think I found I'm gonna get you your birthday present early.

A (106:53)

The other thing is they went from these corny ass Bentley watches to now they're doing these corny ass NFL edition watches. And so sometimes they just can't help themselves. What are you going to do?

B (107:04)

Partnership.

A (107:05)

But I like the premiere. Go back to the website on the right. The premier is their vintage style. These are very nice. I'm a big. The Premier B01. That one right in the middle on the steel bracelet. Oh, this one looks like it might be gold because it's rose gold. All right, it's rose gold. But that just this one. But like in steel. What the is their website doing? Whoa, Habibi.

B (107:27)

Sorry. I just gave everyone an epileptic seizure.

A (107:29)

Websites put a trigger warning on that. But truly. But that's a very pretty watch. I, I really like these Breitling premieres. That's in the middle. The pistachio that, that's class. That's real nice.

B (107:43)

This is like a pink orange face.

A (107:45)

Pink orange kind of. Yeah. Did I call it. I call it pistachio. All right.

B (107:49)

Stop clicking, brother.

A (107:52)

That's a beautiful watch. I don't like the leather. I would get it on bracelet, but that's a beautiful watch.

B (107:57)

Alligator. Can I let you answer these while I go to the restroom?

A (108:00)

Yeah, I have to pee too. I think we should end our show soon.

B (108:04)

We got a PPF one, which you'll understand.

A (108:06)

Great. Michael Cosgrove says suggestions for a new car to replace my daily driver M3. That's 90% as competent navigating fast moving highway traffic. Traffic, but 20% better sound and comfort. I have a Boxster for a weekend sports car itch. I really wish you specified, if you wanted, if you were willing to get an electric car, because if you. If you are, you should get a Taycan. Assuming you want a gas car. I would say 90% as competent as an M3 navigating highway traffic, but 20% better sounder comfort. Well, you could get something like a regular BMW 340M Sport, which would pretty much be that same thing if you wanted to keep it in the BMW family. You could also get a gas macan, which I think like a gas macan. GTS would be sweet. You could get a Genesis G80. That would be pretty cool. You could get a Audi S5, which I don't really love the new S5, but maybe you do. You get the Lexus IS500 while you've got that really cool engine. That'll be fun. Lexus LC500. That would be sick. Infiniti LGBTQ50. I had PPF put on my Alfa Romeo 4C back in October 2016. I'm going to continue to hold onto the car. Should I have the shop take off the old PPF and put on new ppf? Since you've mentioned not to let it go too long, I would, I would. If you think you're going to keep it for another 10 years, I definitely would.

B (110:04)

What are the risks if you. You don't have it removed and replaced? I mean, yellow is it.

A (110:07)

The longer it sits, the harder it is to get off. So that's the problem. I mean, whoever takes it off, it's going to be a bitch. It might cost you more money. 2016, that's like a Larry question. Like normally we have problems with PPF removal when it's like pre2012 16 is like a transitional kind of area. You could probably get that off without much trouble. But I wouldn't let it sit for too long. 10 years. 10 years with PPF is about when I would take it off and replace it. What do I see? Check. Engine light bulb remover club. What do you look for in your watch movements? Accuracy, robustness, innovation, decoration in house, heritage. Does it depend on the brand or is it even high on your list of considerations with a watch? Wow. I don't.

B (111:02)

I'll take this one.

A (111:04)

Have you ever. I mean, do you think about your watch movements much?

B (111:07)

No, but I just trust what I have. Like I've got, you know, notice and Rolex and the Weiss and I'm like, these are nice.

A (111:14)

These are nice.

B (111:14)

I like. I think about the Weiss movement because I met the guy that made it and I saw where he made it.

A (111:19)

Sure. Well, let's see what do I. The fact is I don't think about movements all that often. I think about them when they are novel. So I think about Spring Drive. The interest in Spring Drive led me to Grand Seiko. I think about the Weiss movement because my friend made it and because it's a handwind, I like looking at the back of that Speedmaster because it's an uncovered chronograph movement and there's a shit ton of stuff going on in there to look at and that's kind of fun. But most of the time I am not necessarily thinking about movement moments the same way as I'm thinking about how it feels on my wrist, how it looks, how it sits, does it keep good enough time, that sort of thing. If the movement is crucial to my appreciation of the watch, then that's a different story. But I think as long as the movement keeps good time and is robust enough that it can handle my day to day life, then it's not as high as the fit. The look and the story of the watch for me. Last one and then I have to P2. But it's also Matt paradigm titties. What pivotal sports car if erased from existence would change car culture as it is today? Miata, right?

B (112:42)

Yeah.

A (112:43)

Miata or 911 erased from existence, meaning never happened.

B (112:52)

Dino.

A (112:53)

The Ferrari. Dino.

B (112:55)

Dino. Okay. Mid engine, right? Yeah. Their first mid engine road car offering. Would other people have followed suit? Someone else probably would have done it.

A (113:03)

But yeah, I mean there's a lot. I mean there's a lot of pivotal sports cars. If you never. Yeah. If you never get the nsx, Ferrari never starts building good cars.

B (113:16)

You know that. Yeah, I would actually choose that over the Dino.

A (113:18)

Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. Thanks, everybody. I appreciate you. Our next show I'm going to be doing from Sedona because I'm going on a little road trip for road and track to scout for the Desert 600. It's up at experiences roadandtrack.com you can sign up and come drive with me in April. We're starting in Vegas, doing Las Vegas Motor Speedway. We're doing Valley of Fire. We're doing Zion National Park. We're going to Sedona, staying in Auberge, and then we're ending in Scottsdale. It's going to be fun. Mountain, desert roads, cool racetracks, good times, great hotels. And I'm going to make sure the road is really good in the next five days. So I'll talk to you later this week from Sedona. Thanks to our patrons for such good questions. Thanks to everybody else for listening.

B (114:04)

Bye.