BGB Cayman Turbo S Review; Better Beetle Story; PCH Opens

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Smoking Tire – Episode: BGB Cayman Turbo S Review; Better Beetle Story; PCH Opens

Release Date: June 3, 2025

Hosts: Zack Klapman & Matt Farah
Podcast Title: The Smoking Tire
Description: Matt Farah and Zack Klapman engage with automotive icons, pro drivers, comedians, and friends to discuss the latest in automotive news, racing, projects, and more.

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1. BGB Motorsport Twin Turbo Porsche Cayman with 911 Turbo S Powertrain Review

[18:33] Matt Farah:
The episode kicks off with Matt driving the BGB Motorsport Twin Turbo Porsche Cayman, which features a 911 Turbo S powertrain. This unique modification involves fitting a more powerful engine into the Cayman, resulting in enhanced performance and an exhilarating driving experience.

Zach Klapman:
Zach shares his excitement, stating, "This was the most exciting Cayman I've ever driven. It feels like driving a McLaren 650 with the agility and sound of a Porsche Flat Six."

Key Features Discussed:

• Engine Swap: Installation of a 911 Turbo S engine into a 2016 Cayman GTS.
• Performance Metrics: The modified Cayman produces approximately 580 wheel horsepower, translating to 650 horsepower at the crank. This setup delivers a robust torque curve, peaking around 4,100 RPM.
• Sound and Handling: The car is notably louder, with an exhaust drone that adds to the motorsport feel. Handling is described as thrilling yet challenging, especially without additional aerodynamic enhancements like a wing.

Notable Quotes:

• Matt Farah: "This car is really a handful. Very, very exciting."
• Zach Klapman: "He [John from BGB] is tearing his hair out trying to figure out how to get rid of this drone. '2600 to 3300 is drone town,' he says." ([28:50])

Performance Insights:

• The Cayman handles corners with a tight, responsive feel but requires careful braking to manage the rear-end tendency due to the powerful torque.
• Suspension and braking upgrades, including Clubsport brakes and modified control arms, contribute to the car's improved handling dynamics.

Conclusion:
Both hosts agree that while the car offers unparalleled excitement and performance, it remains unsuitable as a daily driver due to its extreme modifications and accompanying noise levels. The BGB Cayman Turbo S stands as a testament to innovative engine swaps, pushing the boundaries of the Cayman’s capabilities.

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2. Zach's Mom's Volkswagen Beetle Story

[13:09] Zach Klapman:
Zach delves into a nostalgic story about his mother's Volkswagen Beetle. His mom originally owned an MG TD, a classic British car known for its charm and participation in hill climb events. However, after her boyfriend crashed the MG TD, she opted for the more humble and reliable Volkswagen Beetle.

Matt Farah:
Matt adds context, highlighting the practical reasons behind the switch: affordability, ease of maintenance, and the Beetle's reputation for being a cool and innovative vehicle. He references his mother's view of the Beetle as "the Tesla truck," appreciating its shape, easy gear shifts, and agility.

Notable Quotes:

• Zach Klapman: "She wrote kind of like the Tesla truck. I'll explain when I see them this week."
• Matt Farah: "The Volkswagen was super cool and innovative at the time. She wrote kind of like the Tesla truck."

Discussion Points:

• Transition from MG TD to Beetle: The shift was driven by practicality after the crash and the need for a more reliable vehicle.
• Innovative Aspects: The Beetle's design, including its rear-engine layout and front trunk (frunk), drew comparisons to modern vehicles like Tesla’s trucks.

Conclusion:
The hosts share a heartfelt appreciation for classic cars like the MG TD and Beetle, emphasizing the sentimental and practical factors influencing car ownership decisions. Zach’s mom’s story underscores the enduring appeal and reliability of the Volkswagen Beetle.

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3. Pacific Coast Highway (PCH) Reopens

[21:43] Matt Farah:
Matt shares his experience driving the Pacific Coast Highway (PCH) for the first time since its recent reopening. The highway, renowned for its scenic beauty and as a major commuting route, had been closed, causing significant traffic issues.

Zach Klapman:
Zach emphasizes the importance of PCH, noting, "It's probably the busiest scenic highway in the United States that's also used for commuting."

Key Insights:

• Traffic Relief: The reopening alleviates traffic congestion that had been problematic for the past five and a half months.
• Scenic Drive: Drivers can now enjoy the picturesque views of Malibu and support local businesses and restaurants along the route.
• Road Conditions: While partially functional, there are minor imperfections like wrinkled tarmac from heat damage, but overall, the highway is in decent condition for sports cars.

Notable Quotes:

• Matt Farah: "It's good to have at least partial PCH back. People were getting really upset about PCH not reopening."
• Zach Klapman: "Can do in a sports car both ways. It's a lot of fun."

Discussion Points:

• Impact on Commuters and Tourists: The reopening benefits both daily commuters and tourists, making travel more efficient and enjoyable.
• Road Maintenance: Some sections are still being improved, with minor bumps and imperfections that are manageable for most vehicles.

Conclusion:
The hosts express relief and optimism with the PCH reopening, highlighting its significance for both local commuters and automotive enthusiasts. They encourage listeners to drive safely and appreciate the scenic drive that PCH offers.

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4. Listener Engagement and Casual Conversations

Throughout the episode, Zack and Matt engage in various lighthearted discussions, listener questions, and personal anecdotes, enhancing the podcast's engaging and personable atmosphere.

Notable Interactions:

• Advertising Segments: While the podcast includes promotional content for sponsors like Off the Record, Truewerk, and Smalls Cat Food, these sections are brief and seamlessly integrated without disrupting the main content flow.

• Personal Stories and Humor:

  • Matt recounts a humorous incident where his desk spontaneously combusted twice, including stories from his youth involving mysterious table explosions.
  • Both hosts share amusing experiences related to cat care, automotive projects, and music preferences, adding depth to their camaraderie.

Quotes Highlighting Personality:

• Matt Farah: "I've never hit anything like big. I've once hit a rabbit while on a motorcycle, which was pretty nuts."
• Zach Klapman: "I love this science experiment," referring to the modified Cayman, showcasing his enthusiasm for automotive innovations.

Conclusion:
The hosts maintain a balance between technical discussions and relatable, entertaining conversations, making the podcast appealing to both car enthusiasts and general listeners. Their chemistry and humor contribute to a lively and enjoyable listening experience.

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5. Upcoming Content and Closing Remarks

As the episode concludes, Matt and Zack provide teasers for future content, including a six-month update on Matt’s Taycan and his experience living with a hybrid 911 GTS.

[80:50] Matt Farah:
"Check out our latest video which is my six-month Taycan update. I'll also have a video about living with the 911 GTS Hybrid for a week, covering both launch and canyon driving experiences."

Final Thoughts:
The hosts thank their patrons and listeners, encouraging them to stay tuned for more exciting discussions and reviews in upcoming episodes.

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Key Takeaways:

• Innovative Modifications: The BGB Cayman Turbo S showcases the potential of engine swaps, blending performance with unique engineering.
• Classic Car Stories: Zach’s mom’s transition from an MG TD to a VW Beetle highlights the enduring charm and practicality of classic vehicles.
• Scenic Drives Restored: The reopening of the Pacific Coast Highway brings both relief to commuters and enjoyment to automotive enthusiasts.
• Engaging Hosts: Matt and Zack blend technical expertise with personal anecdotes, creating an engaging and relatable podcast experience.

For more detailed discussions and automotive insights, visit The Smoking Tire YouTube Channel and follow their updates on Twitter and Instagram @thesmokingtire and @zackklapman.

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach Klapman]

I looked in the fridge and I saw a lot of bang energy. And I was like, I don't know if I want it. I've never had anything. It's creatine plus stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Fuck yeah, bro. I'm fucking ready. I can't imagine drinking an energy drink before working out.

[Zach Klapman]

No, it's great.

[Matt Farah]

Is it?

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I feel like I'd have a heart attack.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, true. If you have too much, especially now at our age, but like back in the day in my 20s and 30s, pre workout powdered stuff, you're a superhero. It's why you over train and then you understand why you're growing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The 30s you get injured more. The 20s you're just like, I'll just work out for two hours and then keep shaking.

[Matt Farah]

I think I didn't have that in my 20s.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, there was one.

[Matt Farah]

I have the. Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

I forget which pre workout workout it was, but it. Everyone was like, why does this make my skin itch?

[Matt Farah]

Boy, that's like. That's like what heroin withdrawals does.

[Zach Klapman]

It was weird, but it was. After you drank it, you're like. And then I threw that one away.

[Matt Farah]

The one I would keep hearing about is the one that would change the color of people's pee.

[Zach Klapman]

They. Most of them did that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Basically. That's too much vitamins. Anytime you take too many vitamins, you know, even multis, like, your pee's gonna be neon.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

There's just different shades of neon.

[Matt Farah]

What does orange mean?

[Zach Klapman]

The best one, I never did this. But the funniest one was early 2000s when they realized that Hydroxycut literally had amphetamines in it. And it was like, look at us losing weight. Like, this is illegal. And it's what they did in the 30s.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know much about supplements, but I do remember hydroxy cut equals bad.

[Zach Klapman]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Then they changed the formula and no one bought it because it stopped working.

[Matt Farah]

For the amount of energy I put into working out, which is a lot.

[Zach Klapman]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Despite, you know, the results, I probably could spend an extra 10% doing the supplement thing and achieve probably some significantly better results.

[Zach Klapman]

Supplements only make. And this is like me quoting Lee Norton, who's Ph.D. powerlifter. They only add like 5% once your nutrition's perfect.

[Matt Farah]

And so I need HGH, like in testosterone.

[Zach Klapman]

That is different. Yeah, that's different. Yeah. Like, there's supplements and then there's peds.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Those will make a difference no matter what you do.

[Matt Farah]

And like, I don't have a sanctioning body. Like, let's let her rip. Right. Pretty much go. The only reason I don't do that kind of stuff is literally needles. My fear of needles has really kept me pretty safe.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Pretty safe. Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

You know, I don't. You'd have to research if there are long term effects of such things, because I don't know. And you see. You see both sides on the Internet.

[Matt Farah]

So there's a lot of things I do that I do not research the long term effects.

[Zach Klapman]

That's a good point.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But needles keeps me away from the most dangerous.

[Zach Klapman]

Listening to Bert talk about taking testosterone in the beginning was the funniest shit, because he's just. Because I think him and Tom are both on it. But Bert would sit there and just be like, I feel it, man. Like, I could feel it. And Tom's like, huh. The contrast of their personalities is so evident. Right.

[Matt Farah]

One of us is proud to be a testosterone junkie. You know, when I was like, whatever, 40 pounds heavier, I got prescribed the Ozempies. Oh, wow. But it was the. I never took it. Sat in my fridge for two years. Yeah. Could have sold it for like, 1500 at one point. You know, Shit expired, though. Yeah. Only because I didn't want to stab myself with a needle. That was it. That was the only real thing that kept me from doing it. And, like, a slight amount of pride to see if I was capable of losing weight without it.

[Zach Klapman]

Which you did.

[Matt Farah]

Which I was.

[Zach Klapman]

You look that sweatshirt also very good.

[Matt Farah]

This is a good sweatshirt.

[Zach Klapman]

You got a good shape, but you in good shape.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but it was possible. But I probably. Probably would have been a lot easier with the, you know, wootsies.

[Zach Klapman]

Maybe. But, I mean, I think I told you the story that Judd Apatow. He told us recently that he was proud that he beat the Ozempic because he was taking it, but he'd also overeat while taking it. And he's like, my need for food just beat my need to lose weight. And he was oddly proud.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Congratulations, Judd.

[Zach Klapman]

Exactly.

[Matt Farah]

Everyone's got a record for something, right? You know, put your name. Gotta put your stamp on something.

[Zach Klapman]

His discipline beat his discipline.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And, you know, like, obviously, I don't give a shit what people take. No problem. Take it. Have fun. But, yeah, needles was the only reason I didn't. If there was, like, a fucking one that was pills, I would been a hundred percent in on day one.

[Zach Klapman]

I mean, there's definitely steroids that are pills, but they're.

[Matt Farah]

No.

[Zach Klapman]

No different. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Like an Ozempic, probably, like, drug.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh.

[Matt Farah]

In 2023, I would have taken that shit orally, right away. Right away. But I didn't want to do the old Stab skis. Phone about to die. No problem with the Stabs keys. But short of that, it's got to be an EpiPen. And I don't really have any.

[Zach Klapman]

One day we'll come in and you're going to have, like, the steroid delt that's, like, very hard to build. And I'll be like, ah, I see you overcome this.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It's Memorial Day today. You're not going to be listening to this on Memorial Day. Almost certainly. But day started off fun. You know, when you get texts from somebody, it's 7 o' clock in the morning on a holiday saying, you're not gonna Believe this one. And Eric's desk exploded.

[Zach Klapman]

I'm gonna see if I can put it on the chat.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, you can, you can airdrop it? Yeah, I have the security video. It happened approximately 10, 10 something last night. I don't know if this ever happened. Anybody else? You know, this is actually the second time this has happened to me.

[Zach Klapman]

What?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, the first time.

[Zach Klapman]

Stop fucking on the desk, man.

[Matt Farah]

The first time. We gotta go back to 99. And what I'm talking about right now is spontaneous glass combustion.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Maybe someone out there has had this happen. You ever have a table that's made of glass or a door that's made of glass? And glacier type folks will say that this is like actually happens a lot. So in the bottom of this video, Eric's desk is glass. And there it goes, just decides to exit the building.

[Zach Klapman]

And on top of it was what, an imac?

[Matt Farah]

On top of that is an imac and a phone and you know, a bunch of other regular desk stuff that all sort of tumbles into the center.

[Zach Klapman]

It should be said that like the weight of those things are mostly over the supports.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, no, this is not. This was not a weight issue. Right. This desk has been there for five years. It's like. And yes, the heavy thing is on the stanchion. It's not adding weight. But this is the second time it's happened. The last time it's happened. Take it back to 99. We're at my friend Dave D's house, his parents house in Mamaroneck, New York. Beautiful home on the water. High schoolers. We're high school seniors and we're sitting out by their pool and you know one of those big round glass outdoor tables. You know them tables that everyone had in the 90s where the tape, the glass is a little wavy. You know those tables.

[Zach Klapman]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Sitting around. And I remember it distinctly because everyone had brought their own bong. So not only did the table break, but it took everyone's bong with it. Took like five really nice bongs out with it.

[Zach Klapman]

Big parent was up. Was up to something. I think they.

[Matt Farah]

Someone, he hit a squib on that.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, exactly. They did a little tap tap. They knew you're having a party the next day.

[Matt Farah]

They put a little, little scratch, you know. And this wasn't pre Internet, but it was like almost pre Internet. It was way pre YouTube or anything like that. And certainly pre smartphone. And so it was like. We thought the fucking poltergeist was doing well.

[Zach Klapman]

Especially if you were post bong.

[Matt Farah]

We're Sitting around the table. We all watched it happen. It wasn't like we walked away and came back and it was broken. Without a security camera, you'd think someone somehow broke into the building and smashed this thing, but it happens. Spontaneous glass combustion.

[Zach Klapman]

Imagine the smell of that patio. You had to throw it away. Just five bongs just burst. Oh, God.

[Matt Farah]

What do you do?

[Zach Klapman]

Did the parents think that you guys were lying? And you all had your alibi together? All of you were like, we swear.

[Matt Farah]

Nobody. Nobody believed us that it was a spontaneous glass explosion.

[Zach Klapman]

Of course not.

[Matt Farah]

Just like, nobody believed us that we saw that movie that we told our parents we saw. It's like, yeah, we were high as fuck, but we did go to the movie. Mom just sucked.

[Zach Klapman]

That's so funny.

[Matt Farah]

So, yeah, I mean, that. My morning was spent with Vinnie cleaning up safety glass from the floor. So, yeah, and now until we get a new desk. Eric down there, we got. Took the little, like, you know, plastic folding table. It looks like Eric's fucking running a library book sale down there.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, I said he was demoted. I texted him.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, so that was fun. I do have to issue a correction. The patron who called me out last episode was correct about the cybertruck loan thing. I checked every source, and I swear to God, don't know where I got it from, but not true. So I apologize, and that's my bad. I'll tell you what, though. That shit has been in there for a long time.

[Zach Klapman]

What?

[Matt Farah]

What? The wrong thing that I thought. I've thought that for a long time. I didn't just come up with that. Now that goes fucking back back. I don't know how long I've thought that, but it's been a long time. But, like, dude, who knows? I. You know, who knows? I'm sorry. That was incorrect.

[Zach Klapman]

Okay?

[Matt Farah]

But I checked with everyone up to and including Niedermeyer. I was like, dude, help me out. Where did this come from? He's like, I don't know, dude, but that ain't right.

[Zach Klapman]

I was like, man. All right, well, I'll add a comment, so.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you can add. Yeah, I mean, my bad. I don't know. I don't know why I thought that.

[Zach Klapman]

But it's the thing. The lie gets around the world. So, yeah, you read it somewhere or something.

[Matt Farah]

It came from somewhere. And the somewhere, you know, appeared perfectly credible at the time. But it go. That shit goes back years. For real.

[Zach Klapman]

Like, I've been telling people that for a while.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, like, what are you going to do other than be like, Whoops. And you know, own up to that shit and like. And go about your life. Otherwise if I, if I, you know. But you got to own up to it first. First step one. My bad. And whoever that was, I forget who it was. The patron. It's a regular in the comments or in the. In the questions. Who called me out. Good call out.

[Zach Klapman]

Also I appreciate the way they approached it. They're like. Because they said, I looked around for this thing, I can't find it. Can you direct information and you know what happened?

[Matt Farah]

I went and looked. No, I went and looked. I spent probably more time than I should have allocated to it. But you know what? It ended in a fucking goose egg.

[Zach Klapman]

Awkward. Joseph Smith. Can you find these golden plates again? Actually I can't.

[Matt Farah]

Yikes.

[Zach Klapman]

I got a Beatle story from my mom. Oh fuck.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, dude, let's go.

[Zach Klapman]

If people didn't listen, both of our.

[Matt Farah]

It's really Volkswagen week on this road.

[Zach Klapman]

Matt's dad owned a VW Beetle. My mom also owned one at basically the same time, I think late 60s. And she had a slightly different interest and reason for buying it than your dad. So she had a Mustang for a while. She traded it and got an old mgtd, which is what she really, really wanted.

[Matt Farah]

An mgtd.

[Zach Klapman]

Mgtd. Whoa. And let me find.

[Matt Farah]

Where did she live at the time?

[Zach Klapman]

Bakersfield. And her dad owned a scrap. Her dad owned a scrapyard. So it's possible. I don't know. I didn't get a story on this.

[Matt Farah]

An MGTD is an MG from the 50s. That looks like it's from the fucking 30s.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, it's mini Gatsby. It's Mini Gatsby status.

[Matt Farah]

But people ran these things in like trials and shit.

[Zach Klapman]

The British hill climb dirt that they call trials. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Matt Farah]

So very charming.

[Zach Klapman]

Super charming.

[Matt Farah]

What? Okay, she goes from Mustang to this.

[Zach Klapman]

Exactly. And she wanted this for a long time, she said. And her parents got her a Mustang instead. Maybe scrapyard supply situation.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but parents, you're not fucking getting this for your kid.

[Zach Klapman]

No, no, definitely. Look at these wheels.

[Matt Farah]

Not if a relatively new Mustang is available at the time.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, yeah, that's exactly.

[Matt Farah]

You're in the middle 60s, you're not fucking buying this thing.

[Zach Klapman]

Yes. 10 year old British car that no one can work on.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, Sheldon.

[Zach Klapman]

Like F. Nigel, we take it to Nigel.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach Klapman]

I don't know why her parents sound like that.

[Matt Farah]

Alright, so she's in an mg.

[Zach Klapman]

So she had this. I guess they had to like fix it up a bit and Then her boyfriend at the time crashed it very soon after. And so she said after all the work that had gone into it, she figured she should get something, quote, more humble, cheaper, and easily replaceable. Plus, the Volkswagen was super cool and innovative at the time. She wrote kind of like the Tesla truck.

[Matt Farah]

Shit. Wow.

[Zach Klapman]

I have to ask her follow up questions on why she thinks that's innovative.

[Matt Farah]

Context matters, but she's like 82.

[Zach Klapman]

She's like, look at this amazing truck. I'll explain when I see them this week. I said, what about if it was innovative? I know, but I want to know what you saw. And she said, the shape, easy as pie. Smooth gear shift and the agility.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach Klapman]

So she liked the size, the shifting and the shape. Okay, I guess. So she liked the rear engine, front trunk.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I think. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Okay, so she actually like her. These are totally different opinions. Yeah. Meanwhile, it was also the fucking, like, cheapest car, you know, around.

[Zach Klapman]

Right?

[Matt Farah]

So, okay, cool. Thank you, Clapton. Yeah, thank you very much. So a couple of things. One, I drove PCH for the first time on Sunday. It's open, two lanes each way. Folks gotta take a quick break from the show for Truewerk, who is supporting us this week. Look, most gear gets built to look like it works. TrueWerk is different. Built for real conditions, hot rooftops, quick turns, jobs that don't ease up with sweat, wicking fabric, unrestricted movement and strength that holds firm under pressure. True Work helps keep pace when it matters. They're not here to mimic hard work. They're here to support it. Every seam is intentional. Every feature is tested. Because out in the field, you don't get respected by looking the part. You earn it by doing things right again and again. That's the bar. True Work was built to meet it with gear that works harder, moves better, and proves itself every time. Now let me tell you something, Dakota. I don't work in a mine. I don't work on the railroad. I don't do a lot of manual labor. But Truewerk sent me some pants and a hoodie and a lightweight, UV resistant sort of hoodied shirt thing. They're comfortable, they are soft, they're stretchy. Wear them up on the mountain when driving a convertible car. I wore the stretchy thing on the beach when walking with Hannah. I don't do any of this hot rooftop stuff, but the truewerk is still quite good. I've got it all hanging in the closet right now. The problem is that traditional workwear hasn't changed much over 200 years. And TrueWerk upgrades the traditional classics by using the same fabrics worn by elite outdoor athletes. That's me. I'm the elite outdoor athlete. TrueWerk has over 50,000 5 star reviews and countless stories from trade pros in every state and every job across the country. Right. I put these clothes on and I feel soft. I feel breathing. I'm not schfitzing in there. Whether you're going hiking, going to work, going to Erewhon, you can wear TrueWerk. You will fit in and it will be comfy. Check out the full TrueWerk lineup and get 15% off your first [e-mail] tire. That's 15% off at T R U E W E R K. And thank you to True Work for sponsoring today's program. Plus, it's a big one. Zach, you ready?

[Zach Klapman]

Mm. Hit me.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach Klapman]

I think that's so funny. You got an engine before you got cat food.

[Matt Farah]

I drove PCH for the first time on Sunday. It's open, two lanes each way. And you know, seeing things that are not there anymore is pretty shocking. I know there's plenty of videos of it and you know, people with passes have been driving up and down there for months, but pretty terrible thing to see. Interesting thing to be seeing from the ID buzz, which is like the cheeriest, you know, thing ever going by these like, you know, burnt out shells of businesses and stuff. But particularly if you're in la, now that it's open, please drive safely and go back to Malibu and support businesses and restaurants and stuff like that. Them motherfuckers have been on an island for a minute. Yeah, I've been doing all my shopping in Malibu and. But it's good. Yeah, PCH being open. I think the traffic for the last five and a half months has been horrific because everyone from there has to go around this other one way. Cause there's mountains and that's it. So hopefully that relieves some of the shit show in the mornings and afternoons here and like you know, it's nice to have at least partial PCH back. People were getting really shitty about PCH not reopening. And I have to believe that well intentioned people were making every good faith effort to get the fucking road open.

[Zach Klapman]

It's the busiest highway, it's probably the busiest scenic highway in the United States that's also used for commuting. You know, I mean it is a, it is a tourist destination on its own and it is where how people get to and from work from Thousand Oaks and Oxnard and all the other places. Like no one wants it open more than the people that probably run the highway.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But so thanks for all that hard work and keep it up. But it's. Yeah, it's gonna be a little slow probably particularly during like busy beach hours and stuff. But definitely smooth, passable, doable in sports cars. It's not like hacked up and I mean couple sections a little bumpier than they used to be, but like not terrible. Can do in a sports car both ways.

[Zach Klapman]

Did the tarmac get wrinkled from the heat or something?

[Matt Farah]

A little bit or from something. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what, but there's a little, little, little shittiness. But fucking sad man. But I'm glad it's like at least moving towards, you know, something. The, the understanding. Our friend Peter who lost his house, the guy who wrote Demolition, seems based on his social media that he intends to rebuild his house. So it's on the, it's on the ocean there. Yeah. So he's like, he's posting a lot of pictures of just like empty lots. Yeah, I mean I get it but like should we talk about that Porsche Cayman? Because it is. Yeah, it is really, it's worth really something.

[Zach Klapman]

Do you have a boy did it get.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, there it is right there top center. You can, you can skip to the photo that doesn't have me in it. Photos 2 and 3 don't have me in it. That is just keep. I just, I'm always ruining photos by like being in them. It's like get the out of the way. Show me the.

[Zach Klapman]

But the algorithm shows that people if photo with your face probably outperforms a.

[Matt Farah]

Photo yellow shirt and then we're really in the money, bro. So yeah, there's a company out of Florida, Daytona, Florida, Florida called BGB Motorsports. They're a racing team. I don't. From what I gathered from John, like they don't really do streetcars like really at all. They're really a racing team. They're an imsa. They're an endurance team and they build fucking race cars. And you know how you. Here's how I know that they're good at this because their website is terrible. And if you're. Usually, if you're in the motorsports industry, if you have a great website, I would look out if your website was made in 2002 and never touched and maybe just added to. There's 75 menus at the top of this website. Usually you're pretty good at your job because you're too busy doing your job to fuck with the website.

[Zach Klapman]

And they have been a race team for about 20 years, racing in IMSA, Michelin, whatever. You know, all the different names that they've used for that series. But that's where their focus is, sports car racing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And so Mitch from M Engineering, Mitch McKee, who we've had on the show, emails me and he goes, hey, man, I tuned this thing. And like, you have to drive this like, it's batshit. And I was like, you know, all right. So he introduced me to John from BGB who says he's gonna bring the car out here. And I'm like, okay, you know, if you want to. So this is a Cayman, a 2016 Cayman GTS with the engine from a 991.2 Turbo S. It does fit. Technically speaking, the intake, plumbing and charge cooler plumbing takes up basically all of the rear trunk.

[Zach Klapman]

Yes. And there is a water tank in the frunk.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach Klapman]

Which is used for the water air intercooler.

[Matt Farah]

Yes, right. Yeah, yeah. Which is in the front. It's got like a front mount. What they, I suppose used to call a front mount is now just called a fucking intercooler. So you do lose some cargo space, but other than that, the car works at pretty much quote as factory. Meaning, like, all the functions work, gauges work, the climate control works, the, you know, the power seats work. Like you can push buttons and the things do what they're supposed to do. It's really loud.

[Zach Klapman]

It's extremely loud. I think it's louder. We're tied with a GT4RS. It's a slightly different tone, but it's. No, it's definitely louder because you also have wastegate and turbo whistle added to the intake, which they put the intakes just behind your ears, much like GT4Rs, which you can see in this photo if you're watching. And then the intake tubes run through the trunk and then down into the airbox.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So the air box is in a different place than GT4RS. Where it's right behind your head so you don't have that intake resonance. Instead, as John is trying to work his way through, you have a bit of an exhaust drone because of how you have to route the exhaust. And he's like, this poor guy's, like, tearing his hair out to try to figure out how to get rid of this drone.

[Zach Klapman]

His description was wonderful. He's like, 2600 to 3300 is drone town.

[Matt Farah]

18 to 26.

[Zach Klapman]

18 to 26.

[Matt Farah]

18-26.

[Zach Klapman]

Drone town.

[Matt Farah]

If you keep it over three, it's okay. Which. Because the Porsche, it's fine. And, you know, it's essentially a stock engine, other than what they've had to plumb to make it fit, and the aftermarket cooling, it is a stock engine. It's running what he's calling a stock map, although it's sort of optimized. It's.

[Zach Klapman]

He. I mean. Well, it was confusing. The Dino chart looks super smooth and great, but he said it's a stock map.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

So I think it's. I think it's running stock boost levels and everything. He just had Mitch, like, I think they just had that.

[Matt Farah]

Just make it nice.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But he also had to have Mitch do it because he's using the Cayman's PDK. Like, it's not the PDK from the 911 because it goes the other way. Right, right. So it's. So there is a limitation, theoretically, at the gearbox. Right.

[Zach Klapman]

Power limitation.

[Matt Farah]

A power limitation. And so, you know, a couple people, you know, ask, rightly so, like, is it running, like, 700 horsepower? Because you can. It's like. No, it's running like. He said 580.

[Zach Klapman]

580 wheel.

[Matt Farah]

He said, yeah. Which is like 650. And a very flat, very big torque curve.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And so on the street, this is a lot faster than my car. It's really. You know, my car makes 520 at the wheels. 528 at the wheels, according to that dyno. But it builds and builds and builds and builds, and the peak is up at 8. So most of the time, it's not actually making that. Whereas with these turbo cars, with that torque curve, you know, you hit the fucking pedal, and from three to eight, you're at V max acceleration, basically.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. I think the number was it was making, like 350 pound feet at, like 3,000 RPM, and then the peak torque was 5. Whatever. And that was happening at 4,100, which is still. Which is far earlier, obviously, than peak torque. Of the NA engine.

[Matt Farah]

And I guess earlier than peak horsepower is like 72. So it's like a wider spread. Whereas my engine, I think peak torque is 370, but it's like 5,600 rpm, you know, and then peak power is 8,250. So this is a real meaty pump right in the middle, far earlier than my car. Plus, you have like that, like that huge, like, inhalation, you know, and spool, and you get to ride that wave. I mean, this actually. This feels like it actually finally maxes out the chassis.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know, particularly because this car doesn't have a wing on it. And for me, when you got going, you know, you approach the end of straightaways much quicker than in other. Almost anything. I mean, basically, this is as fast as a McLaren 570, perhaps 600LT, that's what we're talking about.

[Zach Klapman]

But in a Cayman, and sound wise, it reminded me so much of like McLaren 650 and the power delivery, the torque curve, and also that intake sound, the whistle. It was very much like driving those McLarens that have the intake, like on the roof.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Sensory, not overload, but close is good.

[Matt Farah]

And in fact, if they pursue this, I mean, the side window scoops are very cool, but I might also consider a roof scoop option. Could be extremely rad. And he knows about the aerodynamics, so about if that's viable or not. I'm sure he could tell you because he probably does like, wind tunnel shit. But it did feel in a lot of ways, like when you started pushing it and going really quick through corners and stuff, the rear end felt like, I'm. I'm getting to the edge of what this is actually capable of. And certainly at the end of the straightaway, when you went from gas to break, the rear went, which is what early McLaren 570s did, too. You need this needs. I told him, like, I mean, he knows too. It needs like the RS wing basically on it to keep the back on the.

[Zach Klapman]

There's a reason RS has it, you know, and this, like, I love the Cayman's little ducktail, and it looks nice and stuff, but when you can get going as fast as you can in this, and then you jump on the brakes and you feel that in the back, like you. You'll opt for the wing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's what it has right now is like a Runway setup.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know, where you can. You can go flat, flat, flat, flat, flat, and then just lightly roll out of it and transfer the weight smoothly. And then like it's fine. But if you go get full gas to heavy brake. Ooh, that gets light back there and you're going very, very fast. It also has the Clubsport brakes, which is really cool. And John said he worked with whoever the pad company was. Carbotech. I think it was Carbotech to make a pad that fit the Clubsport brakes, but was more like a high performance street pad that wasn't as noisy.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. So it's a no squeak track pad almost. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Which is pretty cool.

[Zach Klapman]

And it's a one off because he was like, I know you guys would complain about the squeaking, but you got a race caliper and race cars don't give a shit if they squeak because there's all the kinds of noise anyway. But yeah, they got this one off pad that apparently everyone's asking him to make and he's like, hold on, slow down.

[Matt Farah]

But yeah, this thing was. This is really wild stuff. Excuse me. And sorry. And I don't think he's. I don't. It doesn't seem like they're trying to like make a run of these. You know, this one's still like a little scruffy. It's like a prototypey thing. But it does work.

[Zach Klapman]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

But I think if people do want one, you know, they're willing to. There's some different things you could do. He did. He. John emailed me and he was like. Because I put in his head, he should do a Boxster. And he was like. He's like, should I? He's like, I either want to do this with a manual or like a GT4RS manual swap or like this in a Boxster Spider. I was like, I don't know. All of those sound pretty fun, but like, I don't know. I vote for finishing this first with a wing and that kind of stuff and going out and like making a video where you beat a McLaren around something.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, because the challenge with the Spider would be the air intake. Right. Because you. Because right now the intakes are up near your shoulders, which was interesting. He said they did that on their race cars because the air is much cooler. You know, you're further away from the hot tarmac. So the intake temperature, what did he say? It's like basically just 10 degrees above ambient, whereas if it's down low, it's pulling from the heat from the brake rotor and the tarmac. And it could be like, you know, 110, 120, depending on where you're racing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. He said if they were doing a Spider, he might have to eliminate the roof entirely to make space for other stuff, but he might also have to do like a snorkel scoop of some kind. And I was like, yeah, that sounds good. That sounds all right. I'm in. Sounds like a good time.

[Zach Klapman]

If it's shaped well, it works for gun. That works. You know, they got all the speedster things. No one needs a roof.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But, like, this was really something.

[Zach Klapman]

This was the most exciting Cayman I've ever driven. And I think above GT4Rs only because of that torque punch. All the sounds. I mean, it sounds like it's half, you know, Mark four Supra, big turbo. But then you have Porsche Flat six sound. You've got the intake right behind you, and it's so small, it just makes it extra exciting. And it doesn't feel as planted as like a GT4Rs or a GT3 or GT2Rs. So because it's small, it doesn't have the. The aerodynamics sorted out in the back. So it's like, extra exciting. It's fucking cool.

[Matt Farah]

Real rowdy.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. Oh, and it still has the stock adaptive damper, but it's got a new spring on it and then a bunch of Clubsport, like control arms and things.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Basically, they wanted it to work like oem, so they did the complete Clubsport everything but took out the Clubsport fix damper and put in the GT4 adaptive damper.

[Zach Klapman]

Correct.

[Matt Farah]

So, I mean, I don't know. I thought the ride was great. It was fine. You did actually have to drive it in the sport shock. You did not want to fuck with this thing in the normal shock. It actually was too. It was past that. It also has some. I don't know what the tires were, but they were some sticky ickys. They were something very sticky.

[Zach Klapman]

PS4, I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

No, they weren't PS4s. They were definitely our compounds, like either Toyo Proxies or the like R888s or something. They weren't that loud, but they were really, really sticky. It was just. It was a lot. This thing is. This was a handful of a car. Very, very exciting. And you could drive it slower. You don't have to go that fast. But me and Zach, we only have one day. Let's fucking make sure this is a good time. And it's funny because John kept. This is a guy who has race cars and we went up, did our normal thing in the mountain. There is a video of this, by the way, and you guys, you'll get it Sooner rather than later. But he was like, yeah, car's never been driven that hard. I was like, you race, you got. We're not like we didn't do. We didn't drive. I swear to God. Did not drive it that hard. So I don't know how it like looks from the outside or whatever or like what he is really like expecting. But like they build race cars. Like I, I would have thought that they, that hard would be a different. You know, like the Overton window for hard is like not.

[Zach Klapman]

And I would add that this car had 3,000 miles on it and I believe they've taken it to RaceTrac in Florida. So maybe he's done the driving and it's different when you're, you know, we hear this all the time when you watch your car get driven.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach Klapman]

You go, ooh, is that hard? Is that fast, whatever. Yeah, maybe it was that kind of thing.

[Matt Farah]

And I don't mean this like in a, in a, in a negative way towards him or the car in any way. It's just like I've heard and I've heard it from other people before. Oh, it's been hard. It's like really like I don't think I went within 1500rpm of the red line more than once or twice just to see what would happen.

[Zach Klapman]

It's a surprising descriptor.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

It's not, it's nothing about their assessment. It's like we are surprised that they use that word.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Do you think it's because they're always. When we're doing the drive bys they're always standing where you're standing and I'm literally doing things to create whatever the maximum drama at that moment for the camera. Could that whether it's like a back backfire or like a boost spool or something for the camera.

[Zach Klapman]

And so they possibly.

[Matt Farah]

They don't realize that as soon as I go around the corner I'm just like pottering around to the next probably.

[Zach Klapman]

And also they're closer to the road where if you're at a racetrack.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach Klapman]

How close can you get to most of the track? Depending on where you are? Sometimes there's barriers that are. Separate you by several feet.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach Klapman]

20Ft.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

I don't know. Fucking exciting and fast and loud. I mean this.

[Matt Farah]

It is all.

[Zach Klapman]

It would be hard. It'd be hard to drive this on the street for any time beyond. I'm driving to the canyon. I'm in the canyon or I'm driving to a racetrack like this for me is a once a week kind of thing. Unless you're really into crazy science experiments.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, this is, this is not a daily driver car. I mean, even though it's automatic. Right. And even though it's got comfort seats and it actually has, like, extended leather and some, you know, contrast stitching, like, it's a pretty nice car they started with, but it's just too loud. I mean, you can't, you couldn't drive this every day. Maybe if it was a spider, it wouldn't, it wouldn't be as loud somehow, because the roof does keep things in and you're sharing airspace with the entire length of the intake.

[Zach Klapman]

That's true.

[Matt Farah]

But if, if they, if they figure out how to kill the exhaust drone, which I think they will, eventually some combination of parts will work or customization or who the fuck knows, maybe to shoot them straight back up through the, you know, through the roof. But yeah, for the. But if you got, if you want to go McLaren fast in a Cayman, this. That's it.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. I want to look up what McLaren 650 prices are.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, used 650. Buck and a quarter.

[Zach Klapman]

Wow. Well, in 2023, you could get one on cars and bids for a hundred grand, which is, I think, shocking.

[Matt Farah]

I think Harry Metcalfe got one pretty, pretty cheap. Like, like he traded in a mirror for it. Cheap. Probably threw in a little extra cash on top.

[Zach Klapman]

But that's wild.

[Matt Farah]

I think he talked about what he paid for, but it didn't seem, I don't think it was much.

[Zach Klapman]

That's nuts.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. 650s aren't, are not expensive. I mean, excuse me, Relative to what they, once, you know, were.

[Zach Klapman]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

And, and what, what that money is buying you in terms of speed.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. Which was the carbon floor one we.

[Matt Farah]

Drove with that 650 GT, 675 LT. Oh, the. Oh, you mean the black, that black one.

[Zach Klapman]

I think I'm thinking like the 570.

[Matt Farah]

Your thing there was like a 620R.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That we had. 620Rs are probably rare. I think that was a very limited edition car. Whereas a 600 LT is a much more common version of that. And they're still kind of expensive. I mean, I catch myself again. They're all fucking crazy expensive.

[Zach Klapman]

No, you're right. I mean, 620Rs are holding value.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Because they're better. Because they're, they're rare to start.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. I was trying to figure out, like, what you compare this to and the price of the thing and what you could get for it in terms of excitement and speed and stuff, like so.

[Matt Farah]

Right. So they. It's. It's. It's about $120,000 plus. Any Cayman from 2016 till now? Any engine? Any Cayman? Any engine.

[Zach Klapman]

So find one with a blown engine.

[Matt Farah]

If you find. Yeah, I mean, you know, you. You probably don't want, like, a base one because you're just gonna have to do a lot of suspension work. You know, if you start with, like, a spider or a GT4, I mean, they can't do spiders yet, but if you were to start with a. With a blown motor, you know, you could be in a pretty good spot.

[Zach Klapman]

That's a good point.

[Matt Farah]

That's a great spot to be.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Because what's. I mean, I don't know what a GT4 with a blown motor goes for, but let's call it. Take a swing at it and call it 50. 40. 40 to 50 grand. I'm not really sure. But add 120. If you could keep this under $200,000, I mean, that's a weapon, you know, and it's fucking much weirder than showing up in a. Whatever, you know, used McLaren.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I don't suspect they'll sell too many of these because it is very extreme. But it's a cool thing to know that someone can do. And now we know a 911 Turbo S engine fits in a Cayman, and that's a good thing to know.

[Zach Klapman]

That's pretty wild. Yeah. A little bit of. They didn't have to do too much, like, any cutting or anything. They had to, like, flip the engine around. Oh. And I asked if they had to make new engine mounts, and he said, because Porsche is Porsche, you know, they try to do the most engineering in the beginning to make the most things fit as easily as possible later. So in the engine, there were actually holes that were, like, tapped that just needed to be drilled through to then mount it in the Cayman.

[Matt Farah]

Oh.

[Zach Klapman]

Or vice versa. But, like. Yeah, no, I think it was in the engine case. Like, the engine case is basically ready for either thing. You just have to, like, drill the hole so that actually fit pretty easily. It was the programming that took. He said it was four months between when they installed the shit and turned it on and when getting it out of park.

[Matt Farah]

Wow.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Here's a hypothetical. If they wanted to actually sell these types of cars, instead of using a 911 Turbo S engine, I would use the lesser 3 liter engine, tune it to about 400 horsepower. 400. Maybe 450 on an overboost or sport mode. Right. Make it like pretty reasonable and make it like not so loud. Figure out a streetable intake option. Leave it with cats. So maybe it has a chance of passing carb. And I think you would have a package. And I know the problem is it wouldn't be any less expensive to engineer that and it wouldn't be less. Probably the packaging and all that would be almost the same.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, probably. You know, because you have to keep it cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And it. And it probably is designed to fit in the same cradle because the. In the 911 it would fit in the same place in the same way. So they're probably interchangeable in that. Maybe they are. Maybe the engineering is transferable and like you could just use that engine instead and save money that way.

[Zach Klapman]

That's true. If you want.

[Matt Farah]

Or if you wanted something that like wasn't quite so nuts, but still was like. I mean, look, if this thing had 450 horsepower, it would still be faster than any other Cayman on the road.

[Zach Klapman]

Right. And you have that low torque, which is really nice.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it would rip. It might even be a better canyon car because, you know, the boost really starts coming on in this car around 3,000 rpm. And maybe if you had the smaller turbos or smaller, it might come on earlier and it might actually feel quicker on the street.

[Zach Klapman]

That's true.

[Matt Farah]

Or as quick. Well, I have to ask John what the math is on if they were to do one that had a smaller engine, if that would, I suspect he would say the incremental difference in buying a Carrera based engine versus a turbo engine used is. And having a separate set of engineering for that engine, probably not worth it.

[Zach Klapman]

Because the price of the engine. He said it surprised me. I think it was like 15 to 20 for a turbo S engine.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

So it was a lot. It was lower than I was expecting. I guess if there's a car around it that's destroyed, then, you know, and how many things can it go into? Not many. It's not like an ls which, you know, goes in much easier.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Zach Klapman]

But I wonder if with the smaller engine thing you run into the same thing we discussed with Koenigsegg in the three cylinder, where if the person can shell out the money for this conversion, which is expensive, and you go, hey, we offer a weaker engine also, but it costs almost the same. They go, why would I do that?

[Matt Farah]

Sure. You know, that makes sense. The only reason I could think of is like, it's qu and mellow enough to actually use As a regular car.

[Zach Klapman]

No, it might be a better thing. But funny enough, when you get to that type of project, people go, I want the bigger name of Turbo S. And the more expensive and the more power.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It's like Preininger told me, people will suffer through any financial penalty or indignity in the car if it makes it go faster. You know, like Andy. Why does it not have a trunk? A 911 is supposed to have a trunk. Well, it goes faster. And the RS people would rather it goes faster than have a trunk.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, look, we just did that with this. This has no trunk and half a frunk now and we're on the road.

[Matt Farah]

Listen, that's. I really like this guy, John. And I really like this car, but I don't want one. I want the one I have. And part of that is because none of that other shit is impacted.

[Zach Klapman]

True.

[Matt Farah]

You know, and this is for hardcore people. Like really fucking hardcore people. Yeah. And that's cool. There's a few of them.

[Zach Klapman]

Mm. I'm really. I love this science experiment.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's. It's excellent. And we should figure out the. What the math would be on the smaller engine. It might be a more reasonable option, particularly if, you know, like. If in, like the Boxster cars or something. If it's hard to get as much cooling or whatever.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You know, if there's a benefit to that, you know, the. To a roadster that has a slightly. I don't know, smaller. Got it. Anyway, it's fun. Thank you to them. Check out the video. I am pretty much out of notes. Wow, that Celsius makes me burp so much. That is like super, super bubbly, even by my. Huh.

[Zach Klapman]

At least your skin doesn't itch.

[Matt Farah]

Says you. I think I tell everything. Let's go to the Patreon. I love the Patreon. I love you patrons. You guys are great. Call me on my bullshit sometimes. That's okay. The Patreon, which you can [e-mail] the Smoking Tire podcast, is where you will find exclusive content, extra pro driver shows, content released before the general public gets it. Content without advertising, live programming, and the ability to ask questions of your hosts during the live streams.

[Zach Klapman]

That was solid.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

You're watching the new the Farm show.

[Matt Farah]

The Egret. Let's go to it. Oh, you.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, sorry, I'm adding.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I just saw the username. Buck Melanoma wins the day. Faux fucking real. Let's go to the angle of the dangle. Have the M4GTs hit their ceiling. And what's your, what's their basement in your opinion? Well, I mean there was a peak, there was a flipper market and then they, they come down. I don't know what the. I mean there is. I'm sure there's a floor, but like, I don't know. The thing about the M4 GTS is it's not that cool to me. I haven't really paid much attention to the market on those. I don't really know what they go for. Let's try cars and bids today. Let's look for an M4 GTS on cars and bids and let's see what some of the results are. We've had three different M4GTSS here at WCCS since they came out.

[Zach Klapman]

Let me look up.

[Matt Farah]

I don't like the seats, Zach. They aren't comfortable.

[Zach Klapman]

No, nothing on cars.

[Matt Farah]

None. Okay, let's. Let's try the old bringeth of a trailer or the. Yeah, no, these are gonna be, these are gonna be auctions. I don't know what the floor is on these. I mean certainly the. It has aesthetically aged quite, quite nicely. Do we have any. Oh, here we go. We've got a few on bat. 28 of them. Holy shit. So, okay, recent. Oh, wow. Last two in the last month. A 6,000 mile for 78. 3,900 mile for 83, I suspect. Yeah. So there's a real difference between fucking wrapping paper ones like this 538 mile one for 95. And then if you drive it like up to five or 5,000 miles, it looks like 85. If you drive it more than that, maybe 75. Yeah. I mean and the more for the next 20 years these are going to go down to about what, 45 grand maybe, Zach.

[Zach Klapman]

Ooh, that would be interesting if they kept sinking that far because they're special. But are they.

[Matt Farah]

They're not that special.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. I haven't driven one in such a long time. I think for me like the M4 is so good at so many things, focusing it more just for track work. I don't know. I guess it's just not what I think of for that for 85 grand.

[Matt Farah]

I've never really liked any of these like stiffened, hardcore M3s and M4s. I really just, I don't like them that much. The versatility of those cars is what is their best suit.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But I don't know if they'll. I mean eventually, yes, people will go, wow, these were, these were so special. You know, in 20 years or whatever, when, when all the cars start to come back. But I think the floor is like, you know, in the, in the 50s, 40s, 50s, if they're decent. But a lot of them, the ones that are, they're being sold, have pretty low miles and are going to stay that way. Jim Khanna, what is a better commuter car? Freeway with occasional canyon duty is 500 Lexus or Alfa Giulia Quadrant, Both used. Interesting, interesting.

[Zach Klapman]

It it for me, it depends on how occasional that canyon duty is. If it's twice a year, also that, you know, and also does have a warranty. So let's just assume they both have a warranty if I'm doing the Canyons twice a year and otherwise it's just commuting I I s 500. But I think it's probably just like.

[Matt Farah]

See, this one's kind of crazy because in usually when you put the Alpha against any other sedan, it's like, well, the Alpha has the better engine. Right. Like almost always. But I actually like the Lexus's engine better.

[Zach Klapman]

Of course.

[Matt Farah]

That's a, that's a great engine.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Used Lexus vs used any Italian car.

[Zach Klapman]

I mean, if it's out of warranty, there's no discussion.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Right.

[Zach Klapman]

And so that's that. And I think that I found the Alpha Quad to be really, really fun in the Canyon. Like, I love the steering. I thought it was better than the new M3s.

[Matt Farah]

It's pretty good on the freeway and it's.

[Zach Klapman]

And it was a little bit softer on the freeway than the new M3. Whereas the IS500i felt like was just like kind of soft and clean.

[Matt Farah]

It's pretty soft.

[Zach Klapman]

So It's a good GT car. Canyons, it's fine. But it's a 7, 10C.

[Matt Farah]

It's not inspiring in the Canyons, but the engine and gearbox are really good. That's. It does sound great.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, it does, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I would say Alfa's here for a good time and the Lexus is here for a long time.

[Zach Klapman]

There you go.

[Matt Farah]

Michael Cosgrove wants me to compare the demand engine to this turbo engine. I mean, the demand engine is more like what the car has from the factory. It's just a lot more of it. The curves roughly mimic the stock car's curves just moved up by 100 or whatever it is. This is a totally different thing because even though it is like the stock turbo powertrain, the way it's plumbed makes it sound like a crazy tuner car and feel like a crazy tuner car. Even though the Engine isn't a crazy tuner car engine. It's just a different engine from Porsche.

[Zach Klapman]

It almost feels like a big turbo 935 kind of race car situation with all these big turbo whistle sounds. Like that's kind of what it reminds me of because it's far beyond what a GT2RS or even a Turbo sounds like. It's more into motorsport land.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Ha. Bbl Would you rather stall every time you drive a manual car or never drive a manual again? I'd rather never drive a manual again.

[Zach Klapman]

Can I choose when I stall it, then that would be the deciding factor.

[Matt Farah]

Right. Can I stall in my own driveway?

[Zach Klapman]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Every time I start and move, I stall it, I hate myself, and then I drive away and everything's fine.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I think Zach has found the appropriate loophole to happiness within that hypothetical binary question. Yeah, only, oh, wait, Matt loves Pearl, Jamie, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden or Nirvana. Listen, Habibi, I don't rank my artists. I enjoy all of these artists for their own fucking thing. I think a lot of the problem with Nirvana is that they were so popular, but had a relatively small catalog.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And almost all of it is just. I've heard so, so much that I am no longer moved by Nirvana. Other in Alice in Chains, they play a little less. They have a little less music, but they play a little less too. Like, that's the. That's kind of why I like. Pearl Jam is still my favorite, quote, grunge band. Because, like, a lot of the songs that I really love from Pearl Jam are almost like after the whole grunge era ended. Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

I don't think. I don't. I don't consider them grungy. They just sound so different from Nirvana. And.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

You know, bands that basically use more distortion.

[Matt Farah]

So I do love grunge music. I mean, I really do. But can't rank them. It's not cool. Certainly not when fucking the singers of all of them are dead. Like, haven't I talked to you about my favorite Eddie Vedder quote of all time? Of all ran. You know, someone said, eddie, what is the key to, you know, Pearl Jam's. You know, I think it's however many years. It's 30 years or whatever, how they've been together. What was the key to 30 years of success? He goes, well, really, the key is to. To not have anybody die or break up. That's it. Yeah, keep going. Don't overdose and die or break up.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, yeah. The other. An exception to that is System of A down. I read an interview with the lead singer. That guy. I can't remember his name.

[Matt Farah]

Serge Tankian. Love Serge Tank.

[Zach Klapman]

They're like, how come you guys don't do another one? And part of what he said was, like, we're also in a different place. Like, we're. It's hard to get that angry, and we don't all want to do it together at the same time.

[Matt Farah]

Well, that's what Andre 3000 said. He's like, I can't make, like, Outkast music now. I can't, like, rap about that shit. He's like, I have gray hair. Like, what are we doing? Crispy bacon. If I were to build my old C5 Corvette today, how would it differ from when you first built it? You know what's funny? Like, not that much, actually. I mean, I kind of. We did sort of get a lot of that right. It had coilover suspension. It had big brakes. It had lightweight wheels and good tires.

[Zach Klapman]

You could do different wheels.

[Matt Farah]

Well, I ultimately ended up with HREs, which is what I would do. I wouldn't do racing harnesses. I'm never taking out the factory seat belts of a car ever again. And I probably would have gone with a different steering wheel. The wheel I went with was a little too small and a little too far away. I would have spent a little more time measuring what I wanted and where I wanted and. Yeah, but other than that, I mean, that thing had it going on. The car was a good time.

[Zach Klapman]

Would you go slightly quieter, maybe?

[Matt Farah]

Slightly quieter? Yeah, slightly quieter. But it did have a. It had a little bit of a drone in that one narrow window, which I hated.

[Zach Klapman]

I just know it was 135 decibels. When we did a exhaust off on the car show that is like, jeez, that plane taking off.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Okay. Only fans in the building is the BMW M850i, worthy of being cross shopped with the Lexus LC. Looking for something that canyon carves on weekends while excelling at daily driving for under 75k. I mean, I suppose, like, yeah, they're technically like force two plus two GTs, but like, you put them cars next to each other. It's not even a question for me of which one.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, yeah, I'd rather see anything. The 850, I think, is a better performance car, but I would stop caring about that immediately. And then I'd rather drive the LC.

[Matt Farah]

I'm not sure the 850 without being an M8 is that much better of a performance car.

[Zach Klapman]

That's true. Yeah, I drove the M8.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's probably kind of a wash with the Lexus. LC. The M8 is truly fast, but like. Yeah, you put those next to each other. No question, LC all day. All day. Don't ignore the convertible because it's rad.

[Zach Klapman]

Looks so good.

[Matt Farah]

4K Libya. Very good, sir. What is the Myron. Oh, Myron Vernis story? Oh, our friend Myron Vernis had a very rare early 911 that was actually not even a 9 11. It was a 901. That's. Yeah, like, before they called it 9 11. And he was able to sell it for an awful lot of money and he chose to, with a bunch of that money, buy like 50 random cheap cars. And that's fucking cool. That's a cool thing. That's a cool thing to do. And that's why he was like the King of Jalopnik for, like, you know, a decade. But he's a lovely man and he has fabulous taste in weird shit. Dre from Houston. What up, Zach? What car is next on your purchase list?

[Zach Klapman]

Eventually I will have to fight myself between a Cayman GTS and maybe a E90 M3. Depends on how much I want to continue spending on maintenance for vehicles. But remember, he also asked us about what he should do with his mom's Audi S4 and we should get rid of it. He did maintenance and a Stage one APR tune in there. Keep it daily.

[Matt Farah]

Alright, cool. There you go. Bad gardener says. Do you agree that some cars only seem appropriate doing one specific thing? For instance, I think the McLaren Speedtail looks beautiful still or rolling, but weird when turning. I saw a video on track. Looked wrong.

[Zach Klapman]

I get it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, I think that's like. That car is basically supposed to be like a streamliner almost, right?

[Zach Klapman]

Yes.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. That's like the thing.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I think it would look good on, like, Nardo.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. But silly and attractive. The long tail, 24 hours of Le Mans cars, when they got really long and. And I know, you know, the Mulsanne straight was straight. I get it. It was. You could win the race on that straightaway. But when I look at those and I go. But they had to go around the corners also. It just looks like a tow truck, you know, with this big thing sticking off the back.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's a lot there. I don't want to say there's a lot of cars, but there are some very, you know, narrowly focused cars, usually for racing, that do look kind of dumb when doing almost anything else. Doesn't have to be race cars. I once commuted into Manhattan and I'm Manhattan in the fucking Hummer. That looks stupid, right? Also that. Yeah, I thought I looked cool and I did fucking not. Not at all. Mm. Okay. Whoa. There's a lot happening in that one. I'm gonna have to go with the next one. I can't process it. Too many. Too many words. I also. Have you ever heard of nice cams? Question is asking us about a set of tires.

[Zach Klapman]

He's not tried those tires.

[Matt Farah]

Nice cams. I don't even want to say the name of them tires because we've never heard of them. No endorsement or denial on that one. On nice cams, Zach would like an update on. Oh, wait here for Matt's cats. Would like an update on Zach's BMW in the voice of rfk.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, I got a bad power lead in the stereo, so it turns itself off and on. So I can't listen to Alex Jones tell the truth. And the quote on my seats was really expensive, so I might actually have to sell some more books before I can do that.

[Matt Farah]

I thought you were gonna skin your own animal and put it on the.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, that would have been better. Yeah. That would have been better. Yeah. There's a dead whale on the beach that I might turn into a seat.

[Matt Farah]

There's that company in Russia doing the whale penis. I'm just gonna get my own whale penis. Regular cat reviews wants to know about what you're racing in lemons this weekend.

[Zach Klapman]

Right. We're driving this Ranchero, which I got some more information on. I'll make it quick, but it is. They basically tried to make what they describe as a budget like NASCAR truck from back in the day. So V8 suspension, it's got brake ducts for cooling, four speed top loader. And I'm excited because it's been kind of sorted out. But it's supposed to be 105 degrees each day.

[Matt Farah]

It's Thunderhill.

[Zach Klapman]

It's Thunderhill.

[Matt Farah]

Thunderhill is so hot.

[Zach Klapman]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

When we do performance car of the year, Thunderhill's 95 and you're saying it's going to be 105.

[Zach Klapman]

So they said a few days ago 105 in the daytime it's 25 hour or 24 hour race. So. But the guys that built the garage.

[Matt Farah]

You'Ve done a night stint before is a full 24 hour or it's 1212.

[Zach Klapman]

Full 24.

[Matt Farah]

Have you ever done a night stint?

[Zach Klapman]

I don't think so.

[Matt Farah]

Are you gonna.

[Zach Klapman]

We haven't decided the order Yet. I hope so. I don't want to. I would love to do an instead.

[Matt Farah]

If you can, you should. Are the lights okay on this thing?

[Zach Klapman]

That is a question that is still being determined. In the group chat, they, they built a glowing letter which you. Or, sorry, glowing race number which you need, which looks really great. And then someone was like, like, did we put the additional lighting on the front yet? And it was quiet, but it's something we're all concerned about, thankfully. And they said it should run pretty cool as long as you don't take it to redline. It's got a lot of torque, so you don't need to drop it in a second for too many corners. It's gonna be a test of people and machine. I mean, 105 degrees, granted, that's only for part of the race, but it's not like it's gonna cool off a ton.

[Matt Farah]

No. That's a tough day.

[Zach Klapman]

Between 10am and 6, 7pm it's gonna be fucking hot.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

So all day, no cool. No cool. Cool shirt.

[Matt Farah]

You don't have one or there isn't one in the car.

[Zach Klapman]

There's no system.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, dude.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, I'm gonna.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

[Zach Klapman]

Someone's gonna crash. Hopefully not. Someone's gonna pass out is what I'm worried about. Just from the heat.

[Matt Farah]

Regular CAT reviews also says why did the 981 generation Boxster Cayman only last four years, but the 718 has been around for almost 10? I think because they knew they were not going to redesign a new gas model. Once they knew they were going to the, to the electric one, they, they, they didn't redesign it, but they, you know, they could. Just as long as they were selling them, they might as well keep building them, you know, until they were told they couldn't anymore or, you know, whatever. They finished the electric one or, you know, the legislation says they I can't sell gas ones or whatever.

[Zach Klapman]

Four years is also a very short run for a car.

[Matt Farah]

Well, because, I mean, 981 to 718 is a mid cycle refresh. That's not a.

[Zach Klapman]

It's still the same chassis and everything.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they changed the dashboard a little bit. They changed the front bumpers a little bit. They put different wheels on it, some different colors and options, and they added the turbo motors at the bottom end and they updated the GT4 and the Spyder like, like it's a facelift essentially. Even though they changed the chassis code and did the stupid 718 naming thing. Yeah, that's not Like a real, real generation. Enrico Palazzo wants the Cliffs notes of my Brussels sprouts recipe. Okay, this is for everybody. This is how you get Brussels sprouts. So the key is obviously in the sauce, but also in the crisp. Okay, so you preheat your oven. Convection 400 degrees. You get your Brussels sprouts, and you cut them into halves or quarters. Now, the key is you want the resulting Brussels sprouts to all be the same size, all the pieces. So if you've got a mixture of small ones and big ones, some will be half, some will be quarters. And there's a little tiny one. Maybe you just cut the stem, leave the rest of it. I like to leave the loose leaves in there, too. I like some leaves. They get nice and crispy. You toss that in a bowl. Olive oil, salt, pepper, toss it on a baking sheet. Lots of air in between them, lots of space. You don't want them piled up. Convection, 420 minutes. Then you make your sauce. Tablespoon of miso paste. And this is for, like, a big. The full size oven tray of brussels sprouts, right? Tablespoon of miso paste, tablespoon of chili crisp, whatever sub variant of chili crisp you like. Splash of soy sauce, splash of rice vinegar, splash of mirin, tablespoon of honey. Mix all that up, swirl it in a bowl, like the big bowl. And then when you take the Brussels sprouts out of the oven, 20 minutes, give or take, when they get real, real crispy, you gotta let them sit for, like, two minutes so the steam, you know, gets off, right? So they cool just enough to not be steaming. Throw them in that bowl, toss it all together, serve right away.

[Zach Klapman]

Nice.

[Matt Farah]

You got all that motherfucker.

[Zach Klapman]

Do you need the steam to go away so it doesn't add too much water to the sauce?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And when you talk, if they're steaming and you toss them in the bowl, they get mushy. You gotta, like, make sure that they kind of dry out a little bit before you toss them. Then the sauce will coat and they'll stay crispy. Yeah, because you don't want to. You don't want to fucking get that crisp. You just spent 20 minutes getting the perfect crisp.

[Zach Klapman]

True.

[Matt Farah]

You fucking throw it in the bowl too early, and it turns into a steamy mush. It's gross. Christian says Will Porsche, we're just talking about this. Go back on that word and make internal combustion boxsters and Caymans. Or will they keep it ev and they'll figure out how to and do a GT Version gas. I think that's what they'll do. I think there will be a GT version that's gas. I don't know. They might get this one right. It's possible. It's possible. They build the first great electric sports car.

[Zach Klapman]

It's hard. There's so many factors. I mean, there's the US Things that are changing, but then I don't know what's going on in Europe with politics and ev mandates and stuff. So they have, like, one foot in each camp and have to make both happy. That's challenging.

[Matt Farah]

Stew Dog says, what's a watch that I bought that you thought you'd love but just wasn't for you? Oh, there's been a whole bunch, but I've been. See, I got spoiled because I didn't have to buy them. We got to try them because of the watch podcast. That shit was golden. I went through 20 years of big dollar collecting in two years of demoing watches for the podcast, seeing shit on Instagram going, oh, my God, that's fucking sick. Hey, whoever, send me this to demo. And then it would just show up and you'd get a. You get that fucking new watch in the mail. Fucking heroin shot. That's all right. And you didn't have to pay for nothing. That was really good. And then you put it on, and by day three, you're like, okay, kind of over this. Or you put it on, you go, wow, that really sits on my wrist like shit. Or it's top heavy, or it doesn't fit under my cuff, or, you know, whatever. It's fucking. Something about. I can't read it, whatever, and just send it back. So there wasn't a lot of purchases where I learned the lesson after buying some expensive thing, which is lucky. That's. I mean, that's. Well, it's not luck, but it's privilege that I put myself in a position to try every great watch. My tastes changed, you know, when I first started collecting 2015, big watches were in fashion. And so the stuff I've bought more recently was smaller. And some of the really big ones I had earlier I got rid of. But. But now I like both. Now, when I have the long sleeves, I like the smaller. When I have the big, short sleeves, I like the bigger. You fucking. Fucking even it out a little bit, you know? Lappy. Lappy McPaddleton. Yeah, Lappy McMattleton. Worst wildlife encounter you've had while motoring. Oof.

[Zach Klapman]

You ever hit anything?

[Matt Farah]

I've hit birds.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, yeah. I've done Those.

[Matt Farah]

I've never hit anything like big.

[Zach Klapman]

I hit. Oh, I forgot this was college. I was driving to go skiing with my girlfriend at the time and a bird, like, flew across the road and there was a little. No, no, rabbit. Rabbit ran across the road and just left side of Jetta Glx da dun dun dun. And the girl was like, did we hit it? And I went, no, definitely not. And it was real quiet in the car. And I just remember that. I remember it was really qu. Really quiet in the car.

[Matt Farah]

Zach did not have the sex that day.

[Zach Klapman]

I did not. She was sad. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I think I took a bird to the chest while on a motorcycle once, which was pretty nuts. We. I mean, encounter. We were filming. We've been filming. Been in the middle of the tarantula migration.

[Zach Klapman]

Fuck that.

[Matt Farah]

Which is real crazy to see that in the Angeles Forest.

[Zach Klapman]

We were filming proving ground special at Lime Rock once. And one of the crew is transiting to the track in the morning in the extra Supra. Toyota sent us three Supras. We asked for one. They had them around, but a deer jumped out and just like literally crashed into the side of the car. And that wrinkled the right rear quarter panel. I think that we had to shoot around after that. So that was fun. It's a good start to everybody's day.

[Matt Farah]

Best username of the month. Buck Melanoma says we've heard repeatedly about Matt's one that got away. Quicksilver Ford gt. But what about Zach? So many questions for Zach today. Do you have any one that got away? The Mustang maybe?

[Zach Klapman]

I guess the Mustang is the recent one, but I actually thought of one at Good Vibes this week. A guy let me drive his S52 swap D30. Oh yeah, it was magic. He had the good steering rack in it. Fantastic car. And I remember that when I was shopping for cars long ago, I had found. Oh, and he wants to bar swap legal it. He wants to do it. In the past, there was someone in San Francisco selling like a baby blue E30 coupe that had a bar legal like S50 swap. And at the time they were asking like 8,500 bucks before the E30s had popped. That would have been such a good buy because the engine swap would be California legal. And I'm sure that car would now be worth like $40,000. That was dumb.

[Matt Farah]

Eventually maybe you just like take your M3 apart and put the powertrain into another car.

[Zach Klapman]

This the car to this weekend was simple and it just all it had. It had the good shit. It had you know, compliant suspension, decent tires, the right steering rack, and the engine was great. You know, greenhouse is awesome. The car is small. What a fun thing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. The best BMW I ever drove was S54E30.

[Zach Klapman]

The rules.

[Matt Farah]

The best.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was awesome. Chris says okay, for the inevitable cars live action movie in 10 or 15 years, what type of car would Lightning McQueen be? Let me just state my protest flag against that. Like, please just don't do that.

[Zach Klapman]

Like, don't make another.

[Matt Farah]

Don't make a live action cars movie. What would that even be?

[Zach Klapman]

I don't know. They're doing well. They're making a live action quote. Live action how to train your dragon.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, but that.

[Zach Klapman]

But I. But they made three of them and it's animated and dragons are fake, so.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, it's stupid. But. But like, at least you're talking about, like humans that play humans and like, you know, cgi. We're talking about cars, actual cars that in real, like, that would be the dumbest looking movie ever.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. How you either have to do CGI to make the grill move to town, which is terrible, or you do the kit Knight Rider thing, which is also terrible.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it would be horrible. But I'll play along to Chris's question, even though I hope that this never happens. My snide answer, but the one I really believe in is whoever pays the most fucking money.

[Zach Klapman]

That's really what it is.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And I mean, and Lightning McQueen is a race car, so it's like a NASCAR basically, Right? Yeah, I mean, pretty much. Right. So he would have to be one of the. One of the nat. My guess is it would be a Ford or a, you know, a General Motors Mustang.

[Zach Klapman]

Probably. Probably.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Prashan says. Oh, yeah. Am I wrong in thinking that I am more willing to overlook the looks of a car while Zach can't. I mean, overlook.

[Zach Klapman]

I don't know, maybe. I am definitely very trying to say.

[Matt Farah]

I buy ugly cars.

[Zach Klapman]

I think he's trying to say that you judge them by the content of their character.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. You're shallow.

[Zach Klapman]

I am more shallow. Possibly. I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. I just. I think there's. I wouldn't say that about you or I, but I don't. I think that once I'm inside a car and driving it, I kind of stop caring about what it looks like.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, okay.

[Matt Farah]

I call that the Porsche Cayenne plan of acceptance. Learned that back in 04.

[Zach Klapman]

But when you get back out of it, do you then care again what it Looks like. Or yeah, sometimes if it drives well enough. You don't care it drives well enough.

[Matt Farah]

I care less.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But I remember when I was 20, I would have been 21 in 04. When my dad got the Cayenne Turbo. I took it out on 684 and allegedly went 150 plus. And I no longer thought the Cayenne was an ugly vehicle.

[Zach Klapman]

That's fair.

[Matt Farah]

I went, okay, yeah, whatever. That was. Fucking sick. I'm in.

[Zach Klapman]

Excitement can definitely overcome aesthetics, and I think also vice versa. Like for me, if the car is drop dead gorgeous Alpha 8C or something like that, and people go, oh, but it drives kind of mid. And compared to these other things, I go, I don't care.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

You know? Cause I'm getting the fizz from how it looks.

[Matt Farah]

Same thing. Most people that have taken sennas around racetracks don't think they're as ugly as people who have never taken sennas around racetracks, you know?

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Jake in Westchester, New York, shout out to him thoughts on the new M2Cs that was revealed at Villa d' Este. I really like the. The flip tail does have the ducktail on it. That's kind of fun. I didn't spend too much time looking at it. I just saw one photo of the flip tail and then went about my life.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, it doesn't look.

[Matt Farah]

Do you see it? Do you have it?

[Zach Klapman]

I had not seen it. I'm seeing it now.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. I mean, look, the wheel. I think the wheels look great. This color of this sort of Nardo gray with the gold wheels. Absolutely fabulous. I'm pro. That color combo, it's probably one of the better colors for the two, right?

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. Okay. I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

Also, that hard side photo is by far this car's best angle.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. The proportions are good. And the little ducktail matches kind of the angles of the front. When people ask me, they go, are you gonna do the CSL trunk on your car? I say, no. Cause I think the wing on the CSL trunk is too big. Fake. I think it. The proportions up. This is perfect. But did they fix the rear bumper in any way? No. Why can't I open these?

[Matt Farah]

What is this like geocities ass website.

[Zach Klapman]

Autoevolution.Com I don't know. Not good.

[Matt Farah]

I think they've been hacked or something. That. That or I mean, maybe they build a hell of a race car over.

[Zach Klapman]

There that's better than the other monitor.

[Matt Farah]

It does.

[Zach Klapman]

It is.

[Matt Farah]

So it just won't translate into our big monitor.

[Zach Klapman]

There's just so many, in my opinion. There's things I haven't. There's things about the M2 that have not grown on me or. Or I haven't softened on. And this doesn't fix any of them.

[Matt Farah]

I agree. And furthermore, for them, this generation of M2, if I don't have a racetrack, it just doesn't because you have to. The difference between an M2 with traction control on and one with traction control off is a world of difference. And with it off, it's like wheel spin in fourth gear and it becomes just a fucking drift missile. Which is great if you have the room to safely do that like we did at performance car of the year. If we get one of those for performance car of the Year, that'd be sick because we have a track to fucking do the thing in. But to then take that car home. And now I'm not getting to do that thing anymore. All the time. But I do have to look at it.

[Zach Klapman]

And this goes back to the other question. Both you and I agree. This car drives great. And from inside, it rides better than the other one and it handles great. But it doesn't give us much more than the other one does.

[Matt Farah]

The other one did those things well enough to satisfy me and looked a lot better. Cool. Yeah. Last one. A bad case of explosive Scuderia. I like that. That's very good. MO. Let's see. Most successful resto mod slash reimagined companies target iconic cars that enthusiasts and the general population would be familiar with and generally appreciate. I would say that's true. Think 911 Bronco, Mustang and Defender. Yeah. What other cars from the 80s and 90s would meet that standard and benefit from improvements in tech and materials? I mean, there's a decent number of cars, but it's. You just have to. The cross section of people who would pay a ton of money to have the best version of that car and people who are seeking out those specific cars. There's not as many of them. So like 80s Mercedes, like the wagons and shit, the diesel ones, like, that's a great one. Those people would put that at their Hamptons house. You know, like Seinfeld's got like a couple of those old Mercedes that are like relatively expensive, but they're mint.

[Zach Klapman]

I mean, the built by legends folks and other people are kind of discovering what the limit is on how much you can charge for a gtr. I think because they're doing that Singer stuff like, let's rebuild everything and make it as perfect as possible and improved as Possible. How much, how big is that market and how much are people willing to pay for it? Yeah, you need, but that's why you need an iconic car because you need the most attention.

[Matt Farah]

But the cars also have to be like built pretty well. Not really. I mean you've got defenders and broncos.

[Zach Klapman]

So I guess not with enough engineering you can re engineer the whole car.

[Matt Farah]

I mean I think you know you drove the Grand Wagoneer with the Hellcat engine. I think there's plenty of people that would love to have a Grand Wagoneer that would, that would do the job. We may find people, we may find a varking market for like early 90s explorers. You know I would be surprised but maybe I think people would pay a good amount of money to have really nicely done two door Tahoes.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

My dad's attorney John who passed away last year but shout out to him Rip spent six figures restore restoring a a 94 Tahoe two door for his Martha's Vineyard home. Just cause he fucking wanted it.

[Zach Klapman]

Right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, those I think probably will early SUVs maybe. I bet, I bet there would be a market somewhere for a Wrangler or Cherokee. Non grand like a tradition, a boxy, a square Cherokee or a Wrangler if it was done too. If you did a wrangler with a V8 and a good manual but like great seats and great materials and really really did it up. I bet you could fucking do that.

[Zach Klapman]

There's probably shops doing that that we're not privy to. I'm sure there's a bunch, but that's a good point. Regular like regular Cherokees that are, that get the same attention of like the TLC stuff and just nice engine, nice suspension, all those things. Because all it is is you're grabbing, capturing people's nostalgia for something they liked and then you're just making it something that they have to like stretch their budget to afford.

[Matt Farah]

Hannah would love to have the world's nicest 94 Jeep Cherokee. You know those are good. Yeah, you know what, they seal up real nice too. If you're gonna do double blunts, shout out to Brandon and his 01 teal Cherokee sport. The most hot box vehicle in Rye country day school.

[Zach Klapman]

Well it's mud proof and smoke proof.

[Matt Farah]

You know man, Speaking of which, I've been watching your friends and neighbors on Apple, the Jon Hamm show. That shit is shot in my fucking neighborhood where I grew up.

[Zach Klapman]

What's it about?

[Matt Farah]

It's about this like rich stockbroker, not stockbroker like a hedge fundy Guy who gets forced out of his job and like fucking kicked out with nothing. He's divorced. He's living in like a rental house in a fake town. But the fake town is basically Rye where my high school was. And they use downtown Rye for like, like all the scenes of the town and fuck me, the locations on all the. Where they're driving through the suburbs and the downtown and all that. That was my fucking life, man. That show. Oh, this guy loses everything and starts robbing his friends. Like taking watches and jewelry and shit from their house. Yeah, that's like the your friends and neighbors part of it. But like fuck that whole. This show hits mad close to home. All these D bags he's stealing from are like my friend's parents, but I'm not going to throw stones. Probably my parents too. Like, probably my parents also. Although. But yeah, no, like all the houses. Like because you've been to my parents house, you watch this show and you're like, oh yeah, that's. I know where that is actually. I've been there. It's crazy. So it is a pretty good show. The wat the watch cred is pretty high in the show. It is an entertaining show. Thanks folks. That's it. That's it for today. We got one more tomorrow and if you're not listening live, then you're probably listening to this while I'm in Italy and Zach is actually racing at Thunder Hill. Right? Something like that. Y little delayed release on these ones, but we got to keep that contento flowing while we are traveling, doing other things and finding things to talk about while we're here. That's part of the gig. We appreciate you patrons especially, but everybody certainly. And go check out our latest video which is my six month Taycan update. Oh, and we'll also have my video about living with the 911 GTS Hybrid for a week. A little bit different than what we did. But I went on the launch and I did a canyon video and a racetrack video about that. So I didn't want to do that again. So instead I made a video talking about what it's like to live with the 911 GTS T Hybrid for a week. And that's going up on the 28th of May. Right? Right. Okay, that's all. I'm leaving now. Goodbye.