Boat Crew Show (+ Montana vs CA; Q&A)

Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast: Boat Crew Show (+ Montana vs CA; Q&A)

Hosts: Matt Farah & Zack Klapman
Date: March 17, 2026
Location: Aboard a catamaran, Marina Key, British Virgin Islands

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Episode Overview

In this unique “Boat Crew Show” edition, Matt and Zack broadcast from a chartered catamaran in the British Virgin Islands. The episode’s main theme is a blend of their sailing adventures, the transformative impact of boating on travel and relaxation, and a deep-dive into the automotive news of the moment—especially the crackdown on Montana-registered supercars in California. As always, the crew fielded Patreon Q&A, covered automotive industry shifts, and delivered plenty of laid-back humor—all while sailing through paradise.

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Sailing Adventures & Yacht Life

Setting the Scene & The Allure of Boating

• [01:02] The duo details their location and notes the “boat vacation” vibe:
  • Matt: "We are at Marina Key right now in the British Virgin Islands...this whole week has really made me appreciate the aerodynamics of yachts...for people's comfort, cooling them...using the wind.”
• [02:48] Reminiscing about local history and hurricane Irma’s destruction; seeing shipwrecks and rebuilt destinations.
• [04:15] Impact of increased tourism: cruise ships, coral death, busier anchorages, and “amusement parky” islands.
  • Zack: “A lot more cruise ships...that's contributing to some of the coral death we've seen.”

Living on a Catamaran

• [04:41] Sails versus comfort:
  • Matt: “As far as quality of sailing, they sort of suck. I mean, it's effectively like driving two RVs side by side...but it is very nice to live on.”
• [05:26] “Boating makes a small place feel big” — the immersive, slow-travel aspects of yacht life.

Boat Mishaps and Learning Curves

• [06:07] The generator dies (“threw its belt”), requiring a quick repair by the Moorings company.
  • Matt: “The distance that we're sailing in days, this guy's...our entire week's sailing distance is probably the service tech's day.”
• [07:54] New boat learning is “like getting a new car”:
  • Matt: “With sailing, you can't figure out how is the sail going to go up until you put the sail up.”
• [09:24] Quirks of twin-throttle catamarans.
  • Matt: “If you have a great boat, the two throttles will be exactly the same. If you have a rental boat...they may not be right.”

Real-Time Yacht Challenges

• [13:24] “Trial by fire” on first night mooring, learning new setup for mooring lines, bridle, and handling high winds.
  • Zack: “It was a trial by fire for sure.”
  • Matt: “Fortunately it’s gone much better since then.”
• [15:57] Google Earth and modern boating tech — satellite images helping with navigation.

Boating Philosophy & Safety

• [16:50] The mental engagement and relaxation of captaining your own boat.
  • Matt: “It does require thinking and problem solving and real decision making a lot.”
  • Zack: “But most of it's done at a speed that's kind of relaxing.”
• [17:50] Prioritizing safety (“our boat came off anchor in Thailand!”) over aggressive anchoring:
  • Matt: “Safety first sometimes. You know why? Because our boat came off anchor in fucking Thailand.”

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Yacht Culture, Racing, & Superyachts

Notable Boats & Crossings

• [18:21] Admiring privately-owned boats and the legends of epic crossings.
  • Zack: “People that sailed the Atlantic in their cat, and their cat was only a little bigger than this one.”
• [19:08] The story of a couple who shuttled a boat from BVI to Thailand:
  • Matt: “She said they motor-sailed...for a month...800 gallons of fuel. One of the staterooms was full of canned goods.”

Racing Yachts and Privilege

• [21:13] Visiting the Bitter End Yacht Club, encountering 75-100ft carbon "maxi" racing yachts.
  • Matt: “…all carbon fiber, big open decks, crews of like 25 people...go 25, 30 knots. Huge boat going really fast.”
  • Zack: “The amount of carbon fiber on that thing...the mast, two steering wheels.”
• [23:08] Owner privilege:
  • Matt: “They come down on their own super yacht to watch the race from their yacht while watching their other yacht.”
• [25:21] Team ownership vs. driving skill:
  • Matt: “If Count Von Coxman didn’t need to fucking be a part of the team, we would have had a shot.”

Boat Comparisons & Yacht Preferences

• [35:17] Catamarans vs. monohulls, aesthetics vs. living space.
  • Matt: “The aesthetic of a monohull sailboat...it's just too pretty.”
  • Zack: “If you want to host people, this is the way, but to sail, the monohull just slips through the water.”

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Cars, California vs. Montana Registration

The Montana Registration Crackdown

• [37:43] Discussion on law enforcement nailing dealers registering supercars in Montana to evade California taxes.
  • Matt: “If the engines don’t respond the same, it’s going to take you a minute to figure that out and it came into play.”
  • Zack: “It’s the bigger fish. California wants the money.”
• [40:58] Fairness and hypocrisy:
  • Zack: "You see expensive cars, the person clearly has the money ... pay the cost to be the boss."
• [41:23] On whether this crackdown will last (history suggests it probably won’t).

California Car Culture & Legal Reform

• [42:35] Advocating for sensible California import/registration laws:
  • Matt: “It’s effectively the iTunes model. — oh, people are pirating music. We'll make it easy for them to buy it.”

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Project Updates & Giveaways

Dream Giveaway: 911 Turbo S

• [44:01] Launching a charitable giveaway of a 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S.
  • Fully optioned, set up for canyon driving and touring.
  • Matt: “It is a charitable giveaway. We’re partnered with Dream Giveaway… donate to charity, not a merch requirement.”
  • $75,000 included for taxes.
• Previous 911 Turbo S stories:
  • Zack, [46:41]: “Magnus was just in the show, he’s got a 200,000 mile one of these ... I would truly love to just live with a Turbo S for a very, very long time.”

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Live Yacht Judging (Humor & Humanity)

• [50:58] Extended, comedic real-time critique of a neighboring boat’s mooring “parking job.”
  • Zack: “For people listening, you're supposed to get two different ropes on the mooring ball, and they've got one on, but now the ball is, like, way off the side and behind them...”
  • Matt: “I only judge other people because I know for a fact they're judging me because we had... our first night was in front of a crowd, and it wasn't great.”

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Patreon Q&A Highlights

On Car Hobbies in Island Life

• [33:45]
  • Matt: “If we lived in a place like this...couple dirt bikes and a sim racer...there's nowhere to drive.”

Boat Questions

• [59:50]
  • Matt: “Largest boat I’ve ever sailed was a monohull, was a 54. Once you get over 50, 55 feet, it starts to become real tricky to take out by yourself.”

Automotive Industry Queries

• [71:05] Honda and Japanese OEMs moving away from US EVs, possibly wisely waiting out the market.

Enthusiast & Fun Questions

• Best sedan trunks for hiding [mobster] bodies: “Probably the Lexus ES.”
• Pen recommendations for left-handed people: “Try gel pens or cartridge-based fountain pens; less friction than ballpoints.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [15:55] “It’s actually pretty amazing how useful Google Earth has become for boating...better than the boat GPS.” — Matt Farah
• [16:53] “There’s always like a 10-minute pocket of decisions where your processor speeds up...” — Zack
• [21:50] “You think you’re rich...but when you see that 0.00001%, you’re like, what the F— is weird.” — Matt Farah
• [40:58] “You see expensive cars, the person clearly has the money ... pay the cost to be the boss.” — Zack
• [55:30] “Nobody abuses like the abused. Nobody.” — Matt Farah, on hazing/cackling at yacht mishaps
• [61:09] “Manual transmission consumer level cars will hold their value better than automatic counterparts? ...That will for sure.” — Matt Farah

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Timestamps for Major Topics

| Time | Segment/Topic | |-----------|----------------------------------------------| | 00:49 | Welcome/Boating intro | | 01:59 | Boating history & BVI context | | 04:15 | State of sailing spots, climate impacts | | 06:07 | Generator failure story | | 09:24 | Twin throttle quirks, differences | | 13:24 | “Trial by fire” on first night mooring | | 18:21 | Epic crossings, privately-owned boats | | 21:13 | Maxi yacht racing, boat owner privilege | | 37:42 | Montana/CA car registration crackdown | | 44:01 | 911 Turbo S Dream Giveaway | | 50:53 | Comedic live boat parking critique | | 53:42 | Patreon Q&A begins | | 59:50 | Largest sailboat you can still enjoy | | 71:05 | Honda/Japanese OEMs shifting EV strategy |

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Final Thoughts

This episode was a blend of breezy island reflections, technical sailing deep-dives, and classic Smoking Tire car talk. Whether you’re a car enthusiast, an aspiring yachtie, or both, you’ll find wisdom, humor, and a unique perspective on enjoying the world—whatever vessel you’re in.

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To catch more of Matt and Zack’s adventures (both on land and at sea), check out their YouTube channel — and don’t forget to enter the 911 Turbo S giveaway!

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

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[Matt Farah]

Hey, ho. Bienvenidos. Welcome aboard, as it were.

[Zach]

Ahoy, indeed.

[Matt Farah]

Welcome aboard. Ahoy. Pick your new naval word. We're on a boat.

[Zach]

The Floating Tire podcast.

[Matt Farah]

We've tried so many ways to, like, tweak it, just none of them, they all sound so stupid. But this is the Smoking Tire Podcast Break from Vacation podcast. We are at Marina Key right now in the British Virgin Islands. And it doesn't look like it if you're watching us on video, because I think that today has really, this whole week has really made me appreciate the aerodynamics of yachts. Not just for sailing and stuff like that, but, like, as it pertains to people's comfort, cooling them and whatever, using the wind. Because, like, if you go here, it's like 20 miles an hour wind. And actually it's. It's relatively rough out there for this area. But this shot doesn't really show it because right here where we're sitting, it's very nice.

[Zach]

Yeah. But getting here was a pretty windy experience. It was kicked up to like 20 to 25. Yeah, something like that.

[Matt Farah]

So forget, Forget today. You know, Zach and I went. We went. We went yachting 2017, we went to Thailand. 2020, went to Tahiti. We didn't get to do it last year, but 2026, we're in the British Virgin Islands, which is where I went to camp. Whitest ever, you could say I colonized. No, no, we went to camp, you know, sailing camp down here. And you. And you lived and learned and sailed these 50 foot yachts that you rented. You didn't rent the camp rented from a place called the Moorings, and it's on Tortola, and it's where we now rent these sailboats from. And I, I was like, what If. Let's go back and see it. Because there was a hurricane here, Irma. There's still evidence of it.

[Zach]

Yeah, you know, just a couple years ago, I mean. Yeah, it caused huge flooding. Buildings got knocked down, of course, boats. I mean, we, we yesterday where we moored, there was a beach, like a desolate beach. And we walked, you know, 50ft away into the. The mangroves and there was a boat. Yeah, just a boat that was a large sailboat beach that had been harvested, engine gone, like.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach]

All the useful stuff had been taken out of that boat and it was just the carcass.

[Matt Farah]

And on the, on the beach was the mast.

[Zach]

That's true.

[Matt Farah]

We saw the mast. I was like, I wonder what belongs to this.

[Zach]

You know, we thought it washed up on shore, but the boat was there too.

[Matt Farah]

And a lot of the old places that I went to as a youngster, like the Bitter End Yacht Club and the marina where this boat came from and this place, Marina Key and like a whole bunch of other places got. Just got completely wiped out and were rebuilt to varying degrees of sort of modernity, you know, and. And now it's. It's very pop. There's way more boats here than there ever were. It's very popular. There's a ton of mooring balls places rather than open anchoring like there used to be. Places like the baths, which were pretty open 25 years ago, are now very kind of amusement parky.

[Zach]

Was a lot more cruise ships, I was reading. And that's contributing to some of, some of the coral death we've seen, unfortunately.

[Matt Farah]

And that's not to say it's not cool. Like, it's lovely here and the wind has been very strong. So actually we've gotten some really nice sailing in the boat, which was. This is called a leopard 46. It's a. It's a big catamaran. They. I mean, as far as like quality of sailing, they sort of suck. I mean, it's effectively like driving two RVs side by side, strapped like a

[Zach]

cab over van, you know?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Oh, yeah. Two RVs just. It catches all the wind. Not the sails catch the wind, but also like this frontal area, you know, the coefficient of drag would be a hundred.

[Matt Farah]

It's like driving two buses at once, basically. But it is very nice to live on. And if you're watching the video, you know, you can see the background, you know, going back and forth. It's way better on this than it would be on a mono haul boat. Even though those boats would sail better.

[Zach]

Oh, in terms of the rocking. Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[Matt Farah]

Like, if you look at.

[Zach]

Oh, well, those lean over, you know, when they. When they sail. These do a little bit, but not that much.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, you don't have to make sure that your dishes are all, like, locked up, you know, on this boat most of the time, which is cool.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's a. It's an amazing way to see any area like this.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Oh, it's. That's so special. Any. I mean, almost anywhere. Even countries that are, like, not all that amazing usually have pretty nice coastlines, you know, like, you can see, you know, like, the thing about boating is it makes a pretty small place feel pretty big, you know, like this. With the sale we did, that was like three hours today. It was like 20 miles.

[Zach]

Oh, wow.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's like, not.

[Zach]

It's not far, but you go past three islands, you know, each one of them feels like their own world. And we tuck into this place, we try to go to another place. It was too busy. You get out of the wind. I mean, you know, we're kind of looking for parking spots.

[Matt Farah]

A perfect example of how. How not far you go when sailing boats. Like this is. We first. We left Tortola, we sailed to Norman island overnight. And this is our first stop. And in the middle of the night, two o' clock in the morning, our generator dies. Zach and I and Tim wake up and we poke around the generator, like, very sleepy, you know, and quickly discern that it's actually thrown its belt. Like, there's a. There's a shroud over it, so you can't see it immediately, but if you peek around enough, you can see the belt is, like, shredded. So. All right. So no generant. And in the morning, I call, like, the Moorings customer service, and actually pretty good endorsement of them. And they're like, all right, well, where are you gonna be for the next, you know, 12 hours? And I said, well, I'm gonna leave here and I'm gonna go here. Great, great. We'll meet you there. And the guy comes over, you know, and looks at it, has a bunch of generator belts. So clearly this is a thing. Realizes he doesn't have the one we need because I gotta go back to base. I'll be back in 45 minutes. And I'm like. And. But, like, no, he was. He had a really fast, fast boat and took off.

[Zach]

It was pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

So he's, you know, he's. He the. The distance that we're sailing in days, this guy's, you know, our entire week sailing distance. Is probably the service tech's day, their route.

[Zach]

Yeah. Whereas, you know, if we did. We've done any of our road trip stuff or off road trips, we often cover hundreds of miles, multiple states and stuff like that.

[Matt Farah]

We're hardly covering anywhere. Yeah, we're basically doing a lap around Tortola, the islands. The islands around Tortola, which is. Is a. Is a nice way to see the Caribbean.

[Zach]

Dude, it's gorgeous here. I've never been here before, so it's, it's nice. It's great. Stunning.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

The islandscapes are really fun. This, the sunsets are really amazing. This boat is a nice place to live. But. But, you know, when you get on a new boat that you haven't, you know, operated before the first day, it's like getting a new car. Like, we get in new cars all the time. And if I'm in a.

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[Matt Farah]

Oh, man. Like, normally you get. If press cars dropped off, you like, sit in it for 10 minutes and like, you set up your phone, set your mirrors, whatever. You ever get in a. You ever have a car, press car delivered and like, you had to be somewhere, you just like, had to get in it and go.

[Zach]

You just jump in, start going, and then you don't know where the volume control is.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's actually harder to do that. Like, I'm in a rush. Press car's been delivered, I got somewhere to be. Got. Get in it, put it in D, go. Like. And now I'm like, trying to like, navigate through traffic while setting up this other. You know what I mean? And while doing. And it's like kind of like panicky. But with sailing, you. You can't do that. Like, you can't figure out how is the sail going to go up until you put the sail up. You can't figure out how it's going to do certain things just like on the dock.

[Zach]

Well, it's like, what is the rate that this will steer? Yeah, a car would steer, you know, and so is the sail going to go up smoothly and easily or not? And is it. I don't know. There's so many systems here. And the throttle, like the throttle. You have two engines on this boat. And one of them, you said, responds very quickly to your. The stick. The other one doesn't.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's. So if you have a great boat, the two throttles will be exactly the same. If you have a rental boat or an older boat or a crappier boat, they may not be right. And anyone can adjust. Like, I want to adjust like my dad's whaler. There's the.

[Zach]

To, to.

[Matt Farah]

To have even acceleration with the two engines. The, the, the throttles have to be about an inch apart. Thumb. It's nice because your thumb, if you put, if you wrap your, your right two knuckles around the right one, operate the left one by pushing it with your thumb. It keeps it roughly in the right spread. It took me a while to learn that to get my hand set up. To me, this one, it's wonky.

[Zach]

This makes me never want to own one of the Z car minis. You know, they have those twin engines in the back and that's great. When it's perfectly tuned the day that it goes out a little bit out of sync.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And you can't have two feet on the gas or something. That would be problematic.

[Matt Farah]

Well, and the reason it really comes into play in a catamaran is because when you're docking, when you're mooring or anchoring or whatever, you're not steering with the wheel at all. The wheel is in fact locked. You're driving it like a tank. And so if the engines don't respond the same, it's going to take you a minute to figure that out. And it came into play.

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[Matt Farah]

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[Matt Farah]

10 FM Both the learning how to get the sails up correctly and, and, and, and learning how to set up our mooring lines correctly and learning how to effectively steer it tank style happened in like a 20 knot wind the first night. Trying to anchor, it's like incredibly tricky and, and, and we had to get a little reinforcements from our buddy Nat's captain.

[Zach]

Oh, that's true.

[Matt Farah]

To help set up the mooring line. So we knew how to fucking do it right.

[Zach]

Yeah, it was a trial by fire for sure.

[Matt Farah]

They set up mooring lines on this boat differently than our last boat. Like we had, we had like one big cleat on the last boat that you just threw the thing on and here you have to like make a bridle and like we just hadn't prepared for that. So we were trying to like figure out how to make this bridle while I'm trying to like keep.

[Zach]

It was just in real time essentially. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Fortunately it's gone much better since then.

[Zach]

As I said, we learned quickly because since then we've been perfect because we were so, we're so paranoid about being that bad again and now we're perfect

[Matt Farah]

and now like today coming over here, like we were coming, we were going for a different anchorage and we dawdled a bit and, and the moorings that we wanted were gone. Their first come first serve and those were taken so we couldn't get that. So this is a backup. And while that happened, the wind really, really, really kicked up and we were like, oh no. Like we don't, we don't want to have, not have a good safe spot when it's like really windy like this. And you know, I've never anchored this particular boat in 25 knot wind, it's probably fine, but do I want to risk that?

[Zach]

It's unnerving.

[Matt Farah]

Not really. So there's, there's a, there's a company now, since the last time we've gone boating, called Boatie Ball, which is a privately owned mooring company and they drop moorings in public, popular places. And you reserve them online, I suppose, like you would an Airbnb or something like that. I mean it's a pretty easy, it's a pretty easy app. Other. It's not an app, it's a website that you do from your phone and it's easy to book one. But, but on the map that shows where the moorings are, it doesn't. I'm not on that map. There's no me overlay.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

So like as I approach the mooring field, it's like, okay, well, your moorings here. But I don't know where you, where you are, you know, so that, so you, it. You can get an idea. But like for us, we have, we had to be like, look at all these. And every other boat who's come in here has been like, is that number 19? I don't know.

[Zach]

Like, it's like if you use Google Maps to go to a restaurant, but it just told you the city block it's on. Yeah. Didn't say in front of this door. This door to this door. It's just kind of general area.

[Matt Farah]

It seems like for an app that's used exclusively for people on yachts, they should invest in a GPS over.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's actually pretty amazing how useful Google Earth has become for boating because you can see where the Sandy spot is in the, in the, in the Anchorage. You can actually see your location versus like coral and sometimes even better than like the boat gps.

[Zach]

Yeah, it's really detailed. The satellite image country. As long as it's up to date enough that like there hasn't been a, you know, hurricane thing that like made a new beach or made a new sandbar or something like that.

[Matt Farah]

Right, right, right. But it is, man. This is, this is the way to travel. And, and when you're captaining the boat yourself and doing yourself, it keeps your brain just enough engaged, I think. Like it. Do you. It does require like thinking and problem solving and like real decision making a lot.

[Zach]

But most of it's done at a speed that's kind of relaxing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

And there's always like a 10 minute pocket of decisions where it's like, you know that your processor speeds up a lot, right?

[Matt Farah]

It's like just enough something and just enough nothing.

[Zach]

Yes, perfectly said.

[Matt Farah]

This is interesting because, like, right now, the wind and the current are not at the same time angle, and that's why the boat was sort of going side to side. I sort of wish the boat would stay a little more straight into the current.

[Zach]

You know, the wind is shifting right now. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

We're behind a coral reef, so it's breaking up the swells, but it's not stopping the wind. But we. Oh, screen went to sleep. But we elected to be on a mooring here where it's windy rather than attempt an anchor in a strange place where it's a little less windy, but still really fucking windy. So safety first sometimes. You know why safety first? Because our boat came off anchor in fucking Thailand.

[Zach]

That's why.

[Matt Farah]

That's why safety.

[Zach]

It's really called safety deposit first. That's what we're doing. Safety deposit first.

[Matt Farah]

No deposit, no problem. Right. The deposits on the tst. Amex, that still exists. Amex. Did you see my.

[Zach]

Did I.

[Matt Farah]

You've seen my mirror, Amex. I'm very happy.

[Zach]

Yeah, you. Yeah. You're like. You have to call them and ask for it. Right.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, look, there's the. Is that that gold boat of bros we saw this morning? The black and gold? Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

There's some tattoos and tans. I'm calling that boat dude.

[Matt Farah]

There's some really cool boats down here. I mean, there's obviously 80% of the boats are just these big fat charter catamarans like ours, full of big, fat Americans like me. In fact, in most cases, bigger. Bigger and fatter. But some of the privately owned boats that are down here, I mean, if your boat is, like, big enough for you to sail it down here for somewhere else, you know, if it's a big yacht or a big catamaran or something like that, it's. It's pretty sick. And you can tell when someone's, like, been from far away.

[Zach]

Well, Hannah talked to those people, people that sailed the Atlantic in their cat, and their cat was only a little bigger than this one.

[Matt Farah]

Was that the one with the fabric?

[Zach]

Yes. They sailed across the Atlantic.

[Matt Farah]

No way. Yeah, that's pretty boss.

[Zach]

You probably got to choose the right season.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, for sure.

[Zach]

You can't take this in a big, you know, winter ocean.

[Matt Farah]

Well, but there's. There are a lot of people that do that. Like, it's. It's. It's a very cool thing to do, but it's not that uncommon. And with prep, people can do it on a bowler. Like, remember was it. Wasn't it in Thailand where on the very last day when we returned the boat, there was, like, a couple in their 60s on a boat like ours. It was a couple down the dock, and they had, like, a bunch of fuel drums here. And we were like, oh, what's up with that? And she was like, oh, we just shuttled this boat to. To he. To Thailand from the British Virgin Islands. I was like, I'm sorry, what? She's like, yeah, we sailed it through the Panama Canal across the Pacific Ocean to Thailand.

[Zach]

Carry 600 gallons of fuel.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And I was like, and what did you. What? Like, it was her and her husband and they. She was like, we read all the books and. And we. She said they motor sailed. She said they. They ran the engines at 2000 RPM. And for a month, when there was. Yeah, for a month. And they had, like, I don't know, whatever it was, 800 gallons of fuel. And one of the, you know, one of the state rooms was, like, totally full of, like, canned goods. And. And, you know, they.

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[Matt Farah]

And that was their job. She said they were gonna sell it.

[Zach]

People.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, for the moorings for this company.

[Zach]

Whoa.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Like, because there's seasonal. Like, you know, you rent a boat six months in advance, they go, somebody got it. Someone's got to get one of these things over there.

[Zach]

Sure. I thought they would just put a bunch of these on, like, a larger container ship and just add to the shipment.

[Matt Farah]

I bet whenever they come from, because these are built in South Africa, I bet they come to wherever. The Caribbean, 20, 30 at a time, probably. But, like, you know, wow.

[Zach]

It's a cool way to see things. You know, it's like people that buy expensive van life vans, and when they're 60 and they just want to tour the national parks, do it with a boat. Yeah, I get it.

[Matt Farah]

But, yeah, I think that said it was a month. It was.

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[Zach]

I would do that once, but I want to be on a bigger boat for sure. With someone who, like, really knows what they're doing and has done it 10 times. Yeah, that's what I would do. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Well, we saw. Speaking of bigger boats, you know, we were at the Bitter End Yacht Club, which is a cool spot that's rebuilt after the hurricanes, and they had these maxi class, you know, racing sailboats there, and they're about to have, like, maxi race week or something with 12 of these things. I mean, imagine seeing 12 of these things racing, like, you know, head to head across an ocean. Pretty. These books, These boats are 75 to 100ft long, all carbon fiber, all car, everything carbon fiber, big open decks, crews of like, you know, 25 people. And. And they can go 25, 30 knots. It's a huge boat going really fast.

[Zach]

Which didn't we calculate like 50, 60 miles per hour just.

[Matt Farah]

No, it's 1.2. That was 1.85 knots to miles an hour.

[Zach]

Oh, that was not kilometers.

[Matt Farah]

Knots to kilometers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, knots to miles an hour is 1.2. So it was amazing to see him up close. And I guess the racing is probably going to be happening while this. It's like now, right? It's like this weekend. Yeah, we left a couple days ago, but it's like pretty much now. And really cool stuff. Huge money.

[Zach]

You can see it. You can. The amount of carbon fiber on that thing, the size of the boat itself, the mast, the. The, you know, two steering wheels.

[Matt Farah]

And they had the big tool boxes, like a race.

[Zach]

Toolboxes are made.

[Matt Farah]

They had rolled out on the dock, like almost like a, you know, like an IMSA team or something has the

[Zach]

toolboxes, like all the things they could need.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's like that. Awesome. Oh, there's the wind again.

[Zach]

Your tax dollars at work.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Sailboat racing in the bvi, right?

[Matt Farah]

Oh, man. Nothing says I'm like, outside of like, what, I'm starting a space company or something. Like I'm. I'm racing huge yachts.

[Zach]

But wait, didn't someone say that only one boat owner races their own yacht? The other ones just have. Keep them like race horses and they're like, yes, go. Yeah, win. And then they get to hold the trophy.

[Matt Farah]

And not only that, they come down on their own super yacht to go out and watch the race from their yacht while watching their other yacht. It's.

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[Matt Farah]

You thought. I mean, dude, you think you live. You think you're rich.

[Zach]

I don't.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, you're probably good. You're even. You are probably global 5% or something.

[Zach]

Oh, that's probably true.

[Matt Farah]

But you know, when you see that 0.00, you know, the 0.00001, you're like, what the Is weird. It's.

[Zach]

I mean, I get, you know, you can own a race team and they just. And there's always like the team principal and they run the team and they're. They're on the boat effectively. You know, the car analogy.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

But I don't know, it just seems like if you're so interested in the Sport. And you don't have to be in the car driving it. You could be on the boat.

[Matt Farah]

There's so many jobs on the boat.

[Zach]

So like, why not be there while it's happening and just let the meetings do the stuff.

[Matt Farah]

So like when I worked, when I worked at Foot Locker back in the day, I was a really good worker. I was, I was, I was great at sales, great with people. I put up numbers. I was like really good at selling shoes. But it was always a little weird because I wasn't quite like the other people. Right, whatever.

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[Matt Farah]

So I've been trying to outwork that for a while. I can imagine what that's like, what that might be like if you're the team owner, but you're also like, I want to be there, but I'm not good enough to skipper this thing. So I'm gonna hire someone else to run it. And I'm gonna be like a grinder or whatever. But there's gonna be like two people in charge over me. But I'm also writing their checks like,

[Zach]

and you're not going to be as good at any of those like grinder, whatever it's called deckhand thing. Because you don't do it that. You only do it for your races. Yeah, they probably doing it all the time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So you're holding the team back while this 26 year old's like, no good. Good job, Mr. Stevens. Yeah. No, we loop it the other way. There you go. Yeah. No, it's good.

[Matt Farah]

You're right. Then you're back at the nice. Your yacht. Because you're sleeping on your yacht. Right. And then they're sleeping in the belly of the racing boat on like ugly bunks, you know, going, we could have won that.

[Zach]

Right? Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

If Mr. If Count Vaughn, you know, Count Von Coxman didn't need to fucking be a part of the team. We would have had. We would have had a shot.

[Zach]

Yeah, that's a tough thing. It's like with car stuff, at a certain point the owner goes, I'm not going to raise the car anymore. I'm not fast enough. But we could win this thing.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah. At a certain point, you know, Rahul Letterman racing hires other drivers, guys taking

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[Matt Farah]

But like, no, if you're racing yachts and you're skippering the race yacht and it's your fucking boat, that's pretty boss. That is. Like, I kind of. I kind of respect that. Definitely, you know, I respect that more than owning a race yacht that you're not on.

[Zach]

Same as if you were chief engineer of a race team, whatever series, imsa. It doesn't even matter if it's imsa, you know, GTD GT Pro. Then like, if you are the owner but also head engineer or team principal and like, you have to orchestrate that entire team from beginning to end and the effort that goes into it. To then win something is enormous. Yeah. So pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But I just. The visual of watching the. Maybe. Maybe they have a YouTube channel. It's like. It's like North Sound Maxi Week or something like that. Virgin Gorda Maxi Week, 2026. Wait a minute. Dude, look.

[Zach]

Is that.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I thought I saw like a dozen black sails, but it was just like a dark part of an island. See over there where that could be. It's the drugs. It's just the drugs. I'm just. Right. Know what I'm saying?

[Zach]

Look like that.

[Matt Farah]

Huh?

[Zach]

That does look like a sill.

[Matt Farah]

Doesn't that look like a whole bunch of tall black sails?

[Zach]

I see one.

[Matt Farah]

Like, there's a lot of rocks, but

[Zach]

there is one tall black sail over there.

[Matt Farah]

They're. The boats are all carbon and the. And these sails are Kevlar, and they're normally black or, you know, kind of gray. Not sure why they.

[Zach]

There is a film called North Sound Maxi Regatta 2025.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, go check that out. I bet it's sick. That would be. What a gig that would be to film.

[Zach]

Last year was the first year.

[Matt Farah]

Brace it used to be called. I mean, they've raced to be the

[Zach]

Kotex 24, and then they sold it.

[Matt Farah]

Yes. And then it was the Tampax Nationals. Right?

[Zach]

That would be so funny.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Talk about a. The dope. Dopest class of boat with the. With the weirdest name. Yeah. Maxi sounds. It implies things. That is not. Not necessarily. It's. They're big boats, though. They're sweet.

[Zach]

Huge.

[Matt Farah]

But it's like a crew of. You've got. If you've got a big, big giant yacht, like, of course you have a crew of 25, because there's like, serving you food and all this stuff. You got one of these things. You got a crew of 25. They do nothing but sail. Like, they keep the boat clean and they sail it, but like, they're not serving you. You know what I mean? That's not like a luxury yacht crew. That's a racing crew. So the amount you have to employ the same number of people or more, and then you have to employ them other people on your other. Also like that. Dude, that's not. You've got. You got like 80 people just for. Essentially for you to jack off.

[Zach]

Well, it's like. That's like a commercial jet, you know, let's a 380. So you've got pilot, co pilot, maybe one other person up there. And then they've got a staff of 10. Let's just say yeah. But you could be flying like one of those Air Force radar planes. Something where basically the focus of the aircraft is so scientific or so ballistic that it requires lots of people just to fly the plane and operate the systems versus serving 400 people. Food.

[Matt Farah]

Sure. It's just like. But like just for yourself, not for like a government or science, like just for you.

[Zach]

Your own private space just for you

[Matt Farah]

to jack off to my racing yacht, you know, that's crazy. But you know what's even crazier than that though, you really want to get down is classic maxi yacht racing. Like, you know, like. Oh, yeah. You think it's expensive to race Le Mans? Like try running a Porsche 917 for a season.

[Zach]

You know, irreplaceable vehicle.

[Matt Farah]

So now you've got, you've got these like what are called J class yachts, which if you've. Which is like old America's cup from like 1910, where the boat is huge and it looks like a big like schooner. Like a. It's got like, you know, 19 sails.

[Zach]

All made of wood.

[Matt Farah]

Yes.

[Zach]

Whoa.

[Matt Farah]

And if you see one in a harbor, like we saw them in Newport. There's a couple of them in Newport. They'll stop you in your tracks if you see one. Because they're nothing more beautiful has ever been built to for purposes of sailing. They're the, the prettiest things ever made. They probably cost, you know, deep seven figures a year just to keep floating.

[Zach]

Right. Just to keep the varnish on the wood.

[Matt Farah]

Oh my God.

[Zach]

Polish and seal.

[Matt Farah]

But it's like at that point you're talking about like maintaining what is effectively irreplaceable art.

[Zach]

Yeah. Well, we do with the boat. We saw the crazy pirate schooner in the bay yesterday. Two days ago. Like it's a, it's a six year old, right? No, it was a 15 year old replica of a pirate ship.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Steel hull.

[Matt Farah]

Yes.

[Zach]

But then has all the super masks, all the big sails stod Amsterdam. Right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And you could apparently charter it.

[Zach]

You can like rent it and stuff.

[Matt Farah]

But that's a Black Pearl. I mean, it's like it is a big pirate ship.

[Zach]

That's the Goodwood replica of the Ferrari 250LM.

[Matt Farah]

But they, you could go on their website, they had like adventure or something. They're sailing it across the ocean. Like you could sign up to do an Atlantic crossing on that. That would actually be kind of the.

[Zach]

I would. Because then you get to watch these people sail a pirate ship across the Atlantic.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But it's more presumably safely yeah, that's

[Zach]

a good point because a lot of those boats did sink back in the day.

[Matt Farah]

It's got a, it's got a motor,

[Zach]

have an engine and steel hull nut, so it's not going to break apart.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but like this. I totally understand. If cars become super sucky, I could get real heavy into boats and it wouldn't be that hard.

[Zach]

Well, someone asked a question not to jump ahead, but if we lived in a place like this, would we keep our car enthusiasm going by owning a car or we just kind of move on to a different hobby?

[Matt Farah]

How absolute shit was the drive from the airport to the marina?

[Zach]

Yeah, it was a twisty, very bumpy road with lots of houses. So there's everything we don't like about a driving road.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I think if we lived in a place like this, and I mean the, the islands, literally the islands, we'd have to have like a couple dirt bikes and find a couple trails, maybe

[Zach]

do that and a sim racer. And that's, that's. That'll be my motor vehicle.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. There's nowhere to drive if I live. I. I was think like, if I had to move to Florida, like if, if Hannah got some the of amazing job in Miami or, you know, whatever. South Florida. We had to move to Florida. Obviously it's very difficult to enjoy cars in Florida, but if you have even a half d, I could. If I could sell 80% of the cars and keep daily and like countach and have a sick boat and be on it every day. Boat life in south Florida is what's up.

[Zach]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

If you're in that club, whole different story. Same goes this.

[Zach]

You go sailboat, not super power boat. Right.

[Matt Farah]

Not in Miami. Yeah, Miami. You don't want to sailboat, but here. Oh, boy, that's scaring me. We're good. Okay. But, but yeah, here. Oh, sailboat. Absolutely. Sailboat. I don't know if I can own one of these catamarans, though. I think I'd have to have a mono hull. They're just too. They're just much prettier.

[Zach]

If you want to host people, this is the way to do it. But I think to sail like the monohull just slips through the water and this is kind of like it's twisting and moving and doing a lot of this stuff.

[Matt Farah]

There are. You know, in fairness, the only catamarans I've sailed have been these rental ones. I've never sailed like a great. There. There's a couple of these, like per. Like Tim's obsessed with These performance catamarans, which I. To me, a performance catamaran is like the X5M. You know, it's like, why?

[Zach]

Yeah, you know.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, like accept your fate, habibi. It's, you know. But I'm told that they can be. They can be quite fat. I know and I know, like, you know, there's some racing. Catamarans are insanely fast, but the market

[Zach]

will always try to offer us everything. So you go, well, I like the monohull because it's quicker, but the cat has all the space. And someone goes, and they build the thing and they go. It's both.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And you know, asterisk.

[Matt Farah]

I just.

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[Matt Farah]

The. The aesthetic. Aesthetic of a monohull sailboat. It's just. It's just too pretty for me. I would have to have one that really had well thought out spacious deck because what the cat has is the, the top, you know, top deck, you know, that, that kind of space. You don't really get on a lot of the monohulls because they're just. There's lines and then there's the pilot house or whatever. It's just like.

[Zach]

Yeah, you can't use it.

[Matt Farah]

Right. So like. But a really well designed one that has a big spacious deck is like about that. Should we talk about cars? Yeah, everybody wants us to. Well, this is a big plane. We should hold for aircraft. Aircraft. Everybody wants us to talk about the Montana thing. Right? That's a big.

[Zach]

That's a heavy boy prop plane.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, heavy boy. Most of our anchorages and are not within earshot of the airport. But no, today was a beggars can't be choosers day, which, I mean, look where we are. Like if we have to listen to a plane every 20 minutes until sunset. I can live with myself.

[Zach]

Last few days we felt so remote that when I heard a plane, I got confused.

[Matt Farah]

Last night, crashing. Dark. I was hoping tonight would be even

[Zach]

darker, but not with all the people.

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[Matt Farah]

No, not here. Yeah, that was it turns out that is going to be the darkest. And then tomorrow night we're going to Jost Von Dyke, which is not. Not a dj, not an EDM dj, but an island that has a. A lot of beach bars. It's party island. So anyway, cars, the Montana.

[Zach]

The Montana thing, Right?

[Matt Farah]

Right. Everyone, like, like so many people sent me this. Finally, finally about, about once every, what, two, three years, some politician or criminal justice employee does a little something about this and. And it becomes news, right. In this case, it was some dealers that were registering cars In Montana for people that clearly did not live there.

[Zach]

Right. So, I mean, the headline Road and Track is that California attorney general cracking down on Montana registered supercars. They indicted 14 on tax fraud charges. The cars in this example are a 918 Spyder, a Ferrari F12 TDF, a McLaren Elva, among the vehicles that were, you know, illegally registered elsewhere, but only driven in California.

[Matt Farah]

And all cars that could be registered here.

[Zach]

That's the big thing, because we've had, we've had some people DM us and say, like, well, it's probably because the cars can't be registered in Cali. You go, no, no, no, no, no. Like that. That's some of them. But I would bet the majority are people who are just skipping taxes.

[Matt Farah]

I saw the list of cars and I went, oh, no, these are all limited production. But, but, but from big oems where the cars could be sold in California. Yes, absolutely. So, yeah, I mean, so at the dealer level, and because I'm a car dealer, I know this like you're, you're responsible for collecting that sales tax if you know that car is going to be sold in, in, you know, in California. This came into play for me with, with my, with my JDM cars as well, because my JDM cars couldn't be sold in California. So I had to ship them to South Carolina and to ship them back because, like, that's how you. Because you can't register them in California, like those back of the Skyline, whatever. And that was the only way that the dealer would sell them to me. They would not sell them to me to stay in California because they couldn't. Because it's on the dealer. So if the. It's very difficult to prosecute a person for driving a Montana registered car. Why? Because the car is not registered to them. It's registered to some llc and you pull someone over in a Montana tag and they go, well, they can go, well, it's not my car. And if they're smart, their name won't be on the insurance card. You know, it'll just be some business and not their name. But like you, it's hard to get someone on that unless you repeatedly, the same cop repeatedly sees the same dude. So it's very difficult to prosecute that. Whereas if there are dealers that have a habit, are known for registering cars in Montana that they know aren't going there. Well, yeah, start with them. That's it. That's a good place to start if you're going to do enforcement. Sure.

[Zach]

It's the bigger Fish. Yeah. You know, California wants the money, like the tax revenue they would get from these cars.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And then it's. And I don't know, I get mad. For me, it's like a fairness thing. You see expensive cars, the person clearly has the money to buy the car, wants to live in California, like, pay the cost to be the boss.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

You know, we see. And then we see, like, new landlord

[Matt Farah]

regularly complain about the shittiness of California.

[Zach]

One of my. And like, look, I know that the amount of money that is probably being, you know, siphoned off or, you know, saved is not enough to fix all of California's problems, but if all you're doing is dodging taxes and then you complain about problems that could possibly be solved with money.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Then, like, it just frustrates me. That frustrates me to know it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah. So, like, it'll be interesting to see if that is if this is a sustained.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Push or you get your headline. Maybe they, you know, maybe they scare a few dealers in line that weren't, you know, operating above board, and then we don't hear about it again for two years, which is what's happened, by the way, for the last 10, 15 years. Oh, they're gonna crack down. And then they. And then nothing. Nothing.

[Zach]

Well, it's like, you know, speed patrol by radar signs. So it works. And it, and it, it works. It's the nudge. So it. If you go after the dealers, individuals who are doing this might go, oh, I should probably switch mine to Cali. I'll pay the taxes.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Because I don't want to get in trouble and taken to court by the 8th. So it works on the individual level through the knock on effect. They don't have to get prosecuted to have that effect.

[Matt Farah]

Right. And look, if, if you've got an expensive car that can't. Cannot be registered in California, like, I, I understand your plight. I really do. And like, I'm not gonna individual, you know, everyone's. Everyone's on their own adventure in life. You know what I mean? But, like, I just, you know, so I. Okay, good. Yes. Finally someone's doing something. We'll see if it's sustained.

[Zach]

I wish. California has to recognize its place in the car world. I mean, all these design Studios are in SoCal Manufacturers offices of all kinds. Like, the influence of California on car culture is huge. But I wish they had avenues so that people who had JDM cars could register them if the new Leno's law went forward. Things that would help people bring their cars to Cali. And then if you also have a new Ferrari that can absolutely be registered here, like then, you know, go after them too. So yeah, just keep the, like build the systems to help people bring the cars here and then enforce the systems. That should be enforced.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Because you could. It's. It's effectively the itunes model. Right. Like, oh, people are pirating music. We'll make it easy for them to buy it and they just will you.

[Zach]

Right, right, right, right. If people are bringing gtrs here anyway, help them do it. Get some money for the state. There's only like, you know, 200 GTRs in the state, like R34s and earlier. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So, I mean, obviously we support this, but we are taking a real wait and see. One story and one big bust is not, not enough of a, of a change.

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[Zach]

want to go to the Patreon?

[Matt Farah]

Is that it?

[Zach]

That's all we have. Oh. And then, I mean this is a, a developing story, but dude, we didn't

[Matt Farah]

talk about the 911 yet. Oh, giveaway car.

[Zach]

We should talk.

[Matt Farah]

We should.

[Zach]

We're to the front.

[Matt Farah]

We're so. Yeah, we should.

[Zach]

We'll. I'll take to the front.

[Matt Farah]

We'll take the third part last. We don't have to do that. That's okay. Yeah. Dude. 911. We're giving away a 911 Turbo S. This is crazy. From a boat.

[Zach]

From a boat. We're giving away 20, 25911 Turbo S optioned to hell.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

To heaven. Really?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Very pretty car. And it, it is a, it is a charitable giveaway. Charitable adjacent. And they've done a good thing. We're partnered with dream giveaways. They've been around for a long time. They've done a ton of giveaways. They list like the, the registration numbers and everything for the charities so you know that they're like legit. It's, it's not, it's a, it's. It's a good thing. So it's very simple. There's not a lot of merch you have to buy. It's a, it's a donation to the charity and all the terms and conditions, the eligibility, all that stuff is on the website. But we basically took this car stock and we tweaked it a little bit. Not in a bunch of warranty voiding ways because it's a 203, $75,000 brand new car, but in ways that make it like a little more to our liking. Set up for canyon driving for fast Touring. So over the next three months, you're going to see a series of videos on the YouTube channel detailing what we've done with the car. And you can, you can take it home. Plus they're throwing in 75k for the taxes. Not the same estate sales taxes. The, the income tax offset. Like.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice (possibly Matt Farah or guest)]

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[Matt Farah]

So you can, you know, if you, if you win the car, it counts as income. They give you money to pay the taxes against the. So you can keep the car if you want. You don't have to. You, you're not like, holy, I got to sell the car to pay the taxes. Like, you could probably keep the car if you figure this one out, but it's ridiculously fast.

[Zach]

Oh my God.

[Matt Farah]

It's very pretty. Yeah, it's very comfortable. 18 ways. All the Turbo S goodies. Glass roof. Glass roof. 18 ways. Rear wiper. Love the rear wiper. Painted engine louvers. Very rare options. Ice gray metallic. Looks fabulous. Plus, not to give it away, but some wheels, some suspension.

[Zach]

Right. We did some things.

[Matt Farah]

We did a few things. So the link will be in, in the show. You know, obviously we, we do earn some money from this. So you're helping to support us. And, and you could win, win a car. I mean like an awesome car. Like extremely sick car.

[Zach]

Like a car you could drive for the rest of your life. And in four seasons. Absolutely.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Magnus was just in the show. He's got a 200,000 mile. One of these.

[Zach]

Yeah. He bought it with 165. Now he's got over 200 on it.

[Matt Farah]

You could, you could win this car and you could daily drive it for 20 years, like easily. People do that in 911 turbos, like pretty regularly actually.

[Zach]

I mean, Magnus is a great example. When I saw his car, when he bought it, I went, this is such a good idea. And then he's got 40,000 more miles on it. Like you true, like, I would truly love to just live with a Turbo S for a very, very long time.

[Matt Farah]

I'm very impressed at how in Magnus's car the leathers help up. See how much metal that dude wears on him. He's got like studs.

[Zach]

That's true. Skull buckle and rings and all this,

[Matt Farah]

all this, all this stuff. His leather ain't tore up. That's crazy.

[Zach]

When he first bought the car, the passenger seat was pristine cuz no one sat in it. Yeah, the guy owned it just like

[Matt Farah]

what did he commute back and forth to Vegas or something every week?

[Zach]

Yeah, he was like a sort of traveling long, you know. Salesman who just drove long distance all the time. So his seat was like worn in but not torn or anything. And the other seat looked brand new.

[Matt Farah]

Fabulous.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean I love that life. I'm not sure. I mean if anyone could do it, Porsche could do it. And I didn't sit in that seat but like I, their, their seats tend like the model the 18 ways like they tend to hold up pretty well over time. I, I think anyway. I mean my Taycan seat like doesn't feel like worn in all weird. It was only 25, 000 miles.

[Zach]

But should we just. Can we talk yet? About what? Where we took the car or should we save that, like where we drove it?

[Matt Farah]

Ah, we'll save.

[Zach]

Okay. Save that.

[Matt Farah]

All right. Make them wait.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice (possibly Matt Farah or guest)]

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[Matt Farah]

Build the suspension.

[Zach]

Roll it out at the same. Roll it out. Along with the videos, there's going to be four videos about the car.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So watch for those shots of the car, what we did with it, where we took it, etc etc and there will be a link in the description of this show.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

To enter to win some. And then also the about page from Dream Giveaway if you want to see the charities they work with and all the other stuff, how it works, etc.

[Matt Farah]

I am, I'm pretty stoked for this one. Someone's gonna win a narshty car and we've been my. The only watch I brought on this trip is the Brosan Ferry. I think we might call it Notice Canyon. I've gone in the ocean with it. Salt water every single day. It's great. The new clasp has not, not come off, not come loose. It's very, very comfortable. And these are going to be going on sale really soon. But it has passed, it's passed the oceaneering test.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So far. So I'm very excited about that.

[Zach]

Your clasp outlasted my whoops. Clasp.

[Matt Farah]

Zach lost his. Zach lost his whoop.

[Zach]

They sell a, like a diving version of that clap of that bracelet. Get it? Otherwise you lose your whoop.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that's a bummer. We're going to have to get another one of those. Oh, is our, is our neighbor coming in? Got another catamaran coming in. Pretty hot here.

[Zach]

That person must be anchored, right?

[Matt Farah]

That guy's anchored all right.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I, I, I'm not, I didn't, I mean respect, but I'm not anchoring.

[Zach]

Just make your own parking spot sometimes.

[Matt Farah]

I mean that you, you can and, and someone out there who is a very experienced yachtsman is gonna be like, you fucking pussy. You won't anchor and you won't anchor in 25. Just. Dude, seven to one, bro. You're fine with seven to one, but like, it's a rented boat, man. Like, I don't know.

[Zach]

It's all relative. Like we. Last time we did this was six years ago. Last time we did it before that was three years before that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

So if we took that person on racetrack and they'd never been on a racetrack and we're just like, just brake at the two board, dude, you can do it. Break trail brake off. Just make sure you roll on point perfectly. Otherwise you hit the wall, they're gonna be like, what? No, I'm breaking it to five. So.

[Matt Farah]

No, you're totally right. Yeah, you're totally right. Although, I mean, we did, we did see some speed in this thing on day one in like 20, 18 to 20 knots of wind on a broad reach. We saw 9.4 at one point. And then today, a lot of wind. It was like 20 to 25 miles an hour. Flying dead downwind with just the. The jib. We were going six and a half to seven. Pretty steady, which is like pretty for a fat 46 foot boat like this. This is good. Should we get to the questions?

[Zach]

Sure.

[Matt Farah]

Before we get to the questions, should we judge our neighbors?

[Zach]

Mooring parking jump.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I'm sure everybody was judging us.

[Zach]

First of all, the pole's not extended yet.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, boy.

[Zach]

They're not really ready.

[Matt Farah]

Mooring 29. Oh, they're going further in. No, they know they're to going. Probably going here. This dude's coming in hot, dude. So hot.

[Zach]

It's gonna stretch down.

[Matt Farah]

Wow, wow, wow. He's gonna overshoot this so far. Oh, my God.

[Zach]

He's gonna. Oh, he just. He slams on the, on the brakes. All right, they got it.

[Matt Farah]

Did he really?

[Zach]

Yeah. Wow.

[Matt Farah]

That dude hockey stopped that.

[Zach]

He really did. Wow. They went from like 5 to 0 in like 50ft.

[Matt Farah]

That is so aggressive. All right, maybe we have something to learn.

[Zach]

I like our method.

[Matt Farah]

I. I like to.

[Zach]

I'd rather approach slowly.

[Matt Farah]

I like to approach docks because if

[Zach]

they had overshot it, if that guy hadn't hooked it right then, then the, you know, the ball's in the middle.

[Matt Farah]

This guy is. He's using. He's using a lot of throttle. Is he on, by the way, or did he miss?

[Zach]

They're on, but only with one. Oh.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice (possibly Matt Farah or guest)]

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[Matt Farah]

You know what? This, this, we gave this guy a lot of credit for some move. And by the way, what has he done? He's cocked it right up. Hasn't he? We.

[Zach]

Yeah. For people listening, you're supposed to get two different ropes on the mooring ball, and they've got one on, but now the ball is, like, way off the

[Matt Farah]

side and behind them, and now they're.

[Zach]

Watch your fingers.

[Matt Farah]

Disguise.

[Zach]

Watch your fingers.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, boy.

[Zach]

What? You're going to let go, sir. Let go, sir.

[Matt Farah]

Let go.

[Zach]

Yeah, I've learned that, too. I'm like, I'm not strong enough to hold this giant.

[Matt Farah]

Look, I only judge other people because I know for a fact they're judging me because we had. Our first night was in front of a car, and it wasn't great.

[Zach]

I was gonna wipe your camera off a little bit, but I'm tethered, I think, slightly, but only slightly.

[Matt Farah]

Let's fix it.

[Zach]

Give it a little.

[Matt Farah]

What have yous. Is it humidity?

[Zach]

A little bit of the old. How's your father?

[Matt Farah]

Gotten worse.

[Zach]

Oh, it's okay. Oh, you know what? You have the matte. What's it called? Oh, that is better.

[Matt Farah]

Is it okay. Anyway, here we is. How's our. How's our neighbor doing?

[Zach]

They're on.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, they're on now. Okay, cool. All right. We were better.

[Zach]

Not our first day.

[Matt Farah]

Not our first day. But I didn't come in at 5 knots, right? I was humming. Dude, you gotta approach that slow. It's a big boy.

[Zach]

Sneak up on it.

[Matt Farah]

That's a 54, dude. He. Captain Ron, that thing. Captain Ron's. By the way, his docking technique is very difficult, very ballsy, but was.

[Zach]

I haven't seen that movie since it came out.

[Matt Farah]

I watched it last week in preparation.

[Zach]

You were training. Yeah. All right.

[Matt Farah]

They'll get out of your way. Learn that driving the Saratoga.

[Zach]

All right, let's go to our Patreon question. If you want to ask questions on the podcast, get your question answered, get car advice, all those Things, go to patreon.com look at you. Smoking tire podcast.

[Matt Farah]

Look at you.

[Zach]

Well, you have boat ADHD right now. I know.

[Matt Farah]

I do. That's a good point. I do.

[Zach]

It's good, though. You're relaxed.

[Matt Farah]

I just want to. I just want to judge others. Like, I feel I've been judged. Is that too much to ask? Clap.

[Zach]

I was nice. I was so happy that when the captain came to help us, he was just like, let me give you a hand. He wasn't like you. Fucking more so.

[Matt Farah]

No. It's really funny because, like, we get down here and we're in the lobby waiting for our boat to be ready, and who walks in? My friend Nat Mundy. Who I've known for 20 years, he runs HK Motor Cars in Connecticut. They sell race cars and weird cars, glicking houses and SSCs and random cars you can't buy. And not random in a bad way, but, like, exotic cars you can't buy in regular dealerships.

[Zach]

He sells the new stuff Nick Cage would buy in gone 60 seconds, right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, the chimeras, stuff like that. So he just walks in with his wife. They were getting on a boat same day. They got a captain. And so we don't have a captain. And so we end up doing our terrible mooring job the first day right in front of him and his captain. And they were like, you need a little. Need a little assist. And I was like, a little assistant is okay. So they. He got us, right? Set us up with our. With a bridal technique that served us very well.

[Zach]

Yes. Since then, we've used his techniques since.

[Matt Farah]

But like, these Jimmy Buffett ass next to us were cackling, dude. Straight cackling. And so now I. I don't feel bad about cackling myself. I just. It's like, I didn't. I wasn't that into hazing the next round of people in the fraternity. Some people, after having been hazed, were

[Zach]

like, they were really into it.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, dude. Nobody abuses, like, the abused. Nobody.

[Zach]

So dark and true. Jesus.

[Matt Farah]

And so some people just couldn't win. I was like, this is. This is a little sadistic.

[Zach]

Yeah. They were, like, really excited to have the power trip. And for a lot of them, they were like, I'll never win a fist fight, so I can tell these people what to do.

[Matt Farah]

But when it comes to anchoring and mooring and things like that, I will judge.

[Zach]

You know what? Interesting fraternity story. One guy was an ass to all the pledges, but the one he didn't give shit to is my friend, my dear friend, Chris Bosward, who was in the wedding party with you. Because Tris knows Jiu jitsu and knew it in 2001. And everybody knew that. And they're like, nah, we're not gonna. Not gonna make fun of him. Yeah. That shows you how weak that particular fraternity guy was.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. All right. To the people, enough about us, all right? Yachting run.

[Zach]

GMC says, would you rather have an air conditioning system that keeps the car cool enough just below the level of uncomfortable, or a gas gauge that never reads properly and an uncalibrated odometer? So you always run out of gas half a mile from a gas station? Oh, I go, ac.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, ac. I can live. I've had cars with no AC that I'll live.

[Zach]

I don't want to push a car a half mile every weak.

[Matt Farah]

We had the, the, the, the, the Copper Cobra. The Copper Cobra had no odometer and no fuel gauge and a five gallon fuel tank.

[Zach]

How is that. That's like a drag race car. It's not even a road race car.

[Matt Farah]

No, it was for one lap of America.

[Zach]

Oh. So, but whoa. All right, so for the track time, you have the lightest tank.

[Matt Farah]

No, I think they swapped the tank after, after one lap of America. It was I think for just like a track days and autocross and very brief track day. Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

In a Cobra you're getting what, five miles per gallon? Yeah, let's say seven and be nice.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, I couldn't tell you. I still couldn't tell you.

[Zach]

That's wild.

[Matt Farah]

It might have got 25 miles a gallon.

[Zach]

I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

I couldn't tell you. I have no idea.

[Zach]

Six speed weighs 100 pounds.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, 2200 pounds.

[Zach]

All right.

[Matt Farah]

I don't, I, I have no idea, idea what the fuel economy was. I never ran out.

[Zach]

All right. Jay Leno's clapped out. Kia Amanti is planning a road trip with his friends and wants to know what tips you have to create a multi day enjoyable drive. He knows how to find roads. That's not the question. But what other elements do you look for when you're planning a route?

[Matt Farah]

Well, once you've found the roads, then it's about finding to do in the places that you stop, which is usually Hannah's job. But yeah, I mean, making sure that like you're giving yourself time to like find like. Oh, there's. Oh, I see a thing that looks interesting. Well, yes, I have time to stop and check that out. Oh, there's a, you know, when you, you know, I've got to the hotel at 2 o', clock, what do I do with the rest of my day? You know, maybe it's a hike, maybe it's a whatever. Like, like if you're just in the car 12 hours a day, you're not gonna do anything else. But we don't like to drive more than 200 miles a day anymore because we like to have like at least part of a day doing something. A walk, shopping, like we, whatever the fuck, you know. So it's like once you found your roads, then it's about making sure that you have like things to engage you once you're like no longer in the car.

[Zach]

Right. The swinging Tire. If we had a second podcast that was around a specific theme, Yachting.

[Matt Farah]

It would be about yachts.

[Zach]

All right. Yeah. Would it be yachts?

[Matt Farah]

It would be such a great excuse to just go out on people's yachts.

[Zach]

That's true.

[Matt Farah]

So how did you afford your yacht? What is your next yacht?

[Zach]

No, that's how you maximize vacation right off.

[Matt Farah]

We could be such assholes.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

I mean, politics is attractive, but so complicated. Complicated and perilous. Like you need to be really, like, you need a research team like John Oliver style, I think. Or it's so dangerous to get pulled into the different pools. So that would be interesting. But I think I could do one on extreme sports stuff that's like, that would interest me again. All right, Randy, you're out. At what point does a boat get too big for it to be reasonably fun to sail? And what's the largest boat you've sailed?

[Matt Farah]

Largest boat I've ever sailed was a Mono hull. Was a 54. I've never sailed anything bigger than that. Length doesn't necessarily make a boat less fun to sail with, Ken. When a boat can point close to the wind, that's usually what makes it nice to sail. And if it like, if you can steer it without a bunch of like, effort and like kick back, like, it like boats have steering feel like cars and good steering. Like, I bet those racing boats have amazing steering feel.

[Zach]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

This has absolute garbage. The steering feel on this is heinous.

[Zach]

It's like Jeep Wrangler. Just lots of, lots of turns.

[Matt Farah]

Kill for a wrangler steering. It's terrible. What was the question about fun boat? How big can it be before it stops being fun? I mean, anything over like 50, 55, it starts to become real tricky to take out by yourself.

[Zach]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And I, I don't want a boat that's so big I can't take it out by myself.

[Zach]

And then you can't relax for a bit while you're out by yourself.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah.

[Zach]

From head gaskets. Unworthy, by the way.

[Matt Farah]

This is a, that's a real, like, how, how big is. Is your boat when it's too big? Like, that's a real hoity toity.

[Zach]

You need a team. Do we think manual transmission consumer level cars will hold their value better than automatic counterparts? For example, this person drives a 2019 Crosstrek with a manual and loves.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, that, yeah, that will for sure. Yeah.

[Zach]

I think stuff that has some kind of enthusiasm behind it. Crosstrek does. It does. So when you have that and you Add the manual. It's like the. What was it? The Honda element. The manuals.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

Hard to find good systems. Capable of a lot of stuff. Those were popular. All right. This is a long one.

[Matt Farah]

Remember the supercharged element?

[Zach]

They made that stock. I thought that was like something made for sema.

[Matt Farah]

Wasn't that sc. Wasn't supercharged SC or was that just a. Did I make up that? That was a thing. I thought that was a thing.

[Zach]

Pretty sure that question's too long. Have we considered having James pumphrey on? I've DMed him. I don't have a relationship with him, but I don't.

[Matt Farah]

I would ask him. I don't know him that.

[Zach]

Tag him on his Instagram, tell him to come on the show. Matt, what car would your cats drive based on their personalities from Zins.

[Matt Farah]

Well, that's interesting. Cricket would drive a garbage truck. Cricket is, is the most food motivated cat ever. She's like, she's a garbage dumpster. So she would drive a garbage truck. Nikki would be like a white. Is a real white Jetta girl. Finn is like a Bron. Would be a Bronco. He's like a meathead. Monty would ride would be hitchhiking in the back of a pickup truck.

[Zach]

Nice. Which he did.

[Matt Farah]

Which he did.

[Zach]

Pumpernickel Country Day school. That's great. Does the appeal of mid engine dynamics carry through to lower end offerings like the Mr.2, the 96, etc.

[Matt Farah]

Yes.

[Zach]

Now is it better? One can compared to similar money in Corvette Z's, stuff like that. Like you get more power from a front engine car, you know. Well from, from for the same money.

[Matt Farah]

Right. But well they just, they're not, you know, you know this, they're not comparable.

[Zach]

I mean the 986 is a much nicer thing to drive. The interior is nicer. It feels more solid in every way. Like it's got better curb appeal. I think the Corvette's just faster and louder.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

But the interior looks like it's made from like play school playsets.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Now Corvette dynamics are good too, but they're like a specific kind. I do think mid engine cars are worth the premium for their mid engineness. Most of the time, the higher performance the car, the more it's worth it.

[Zach]

Yeah, yeah. You know, I agree. If it's a real like the 3rd gen Mr. 2, if it's kind of slow like you can feel you have to be more tuned into the dynamic to really feel the benefits, I think and to be excited by the car.

[Matt Farah]

How much is one of Those. Now I don't know what an Mr. 2 cost but it was $15,000. It's like, it's not expensive. Right?

[Zach]

It's probably less.

[Matt Farah]

Probably less. Right. That's like your cheapest mid engine car. And they're still pretty good. Like their baseline of. Of like where what is the jumping into point to this is pretty good.

[Zach]

I think the, the lower cost mid engine cars are going to be finesse machines. Whereas like a $15,000 Corvette is a sledgehammer. It's got good dynamics too. Like you can put good suspension on it. But the, the initial experience when it's stock is loud, fast and kind of brash.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach]

And that's what you get from Mustangs. For the same price, my leaky valve gasket. I want to purchase a second car to take tracks the around the Chicagoland area. For around 45 grand I can get a Mustang Mach 1 or a Boss 302 that has 10 grand in upgrades. Will the upgrades be that much more worth it over a better interior ride to and from the track in the Mach 1. All right, so modified boss 302 versus stock Mustang Mach 1.

[Matt Farah]

The key word is Chicago land. Shitty roads, man. I know if you live somewhere with smooth roads, the Boss 302 is really a gem. But it is the end of the solid axle cars and there's a lot you can do to make them really amazing. But you really can't make them like better on bad tarmac. Compared to an irs, the Mach one is like settled. It's a great car, like mag ride settled. You know, like it's basically the Shelby without the engine and with the Tremek.

[Zach]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe a boss 302. I think a boss 302 got a. Got the get drag. I don't think it got a Tremek. I don't. I don't think any Mustang of that era outside of the GT500 got a Tremek. Right. I'm looking but we have very Internet here. I mean we. I can't believe we have Internet at all, but we have. It's slow. Asking Zach to look things up for the show is a potentially.

[Zach]

I mean, I think either way this person needs to be very honest about how often you're tracking your car. Yeah, it's primarily a track car. I'd probably go boss 302 because what I'm. What I want from the car starts when I get to the gate of the track, sure. And I deal with one of the roads on the way there. Seems like a GT3RS owner. But if you're really, you know, if patreon person or patron's really just gonna go to the track three times a year and spend the rest of the time in the back roads or driving around, you want. You're gonna want the Mach one.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Zach]

The death of the American sedan a hindrance to organized mob killings. It becomes much harder to hide a body in a trash bag in the back of an outback or a similar crossover. Given the decline, what is the best reasonably priced car with a spacious trunk available?

[Matt Farah]

But doesn't the. The Tono covers though, you know, you've. Or the. What do you call it? The luggage covers. The things that, you know what I mean, they're attached to the hatch and they go up like they're optional but they're there. You could still hide a body in the back of a wagon or an SUV or a crossover. As long as it's got the luggage cover option.

[Zach]

As long as it's not smelling too much, get pulled over. Oh, it's not gonna hide the smell.

[Matt Farah]

That's a good point. But if that is like smelling, you're gonna have. Yeah, you got a couple of problems. So what is the biggest car, biggest trunk of a sedan on sale, effectively? Is that the question?

[Zach]

Probably an ls. Right.

[Matt Farah]

Or probably the Alexis Es. Maybe that. That's like a. That's a car meant for Ubers. You know, NES is where it's at. How about. I mean you could say a very base like S class Mercedes. Maybe it doesn't have any of the

[Zach]

fridges or non hybrid stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, right. I haven't measured the trunks of sedans, to be honest with you. That question to me can be answered as just like what are the largest sedans on the market? Sure.

[Zach]

But it's the fun. We didn't.

[Matt Farah]

But I don't. I. But I don't. I mean I agree the mob is going to have some problems with that.

[Zach]

Yeah. BMW blinker Delete. I'm interested in a bronze diving watch. Other than the Tudor Black Bay. What other brands would you recommend?

[Matt Farah]

Bronze is interesting. Oris makes a bronze. That's pretty cool. I think it's a black or a diver 65, I think in bronze. Bronze. The Tudor is. Is really kind of the best one. Unless you wanted to. Unless you could find yourself a Panerai Bronzo. If you wanted something cheaper than the Tudor, the aftermarket does have you sorted. There's you can get a bronze case for a Seiko. You could do a Seiko turtle or Seiko dive watch in bronze custom. I mean, aftermarket. But yeah, Carl had one like that. It was pretty cool. Who else does a good bronze that I know of? I'm sure somebody does. Bronze is really interesting because like, it, it like tarnishes. Like it turns colors and gets like crusty and like that's not for everybody, you know, like. And you kind of. I mean you can sell it, but like not a lot of people are like trying to get your. Your, your tarnished bronze later. I thought I liked bronze for a minute, but it's heavy and like if you got a full bronze bracelets really heavy. But if you don't get that, it becomes very top heavy.

[Zach]

Oh, so it spins a lot.

[Matt Farah]

I thought I wanted the. The Panerai bronze, which was. Carl had that it. And I put it on. It was like, like on my wrist was just like. And just flopping down always. That was why I made a big deal with this watch of having the weight be very even around the wrist. It's very important to like not be like tweaking your wrist one way or the other. But like, yeah, I. For me, if you're gonna go bronze, it's the Tudor or the Panerai. But the Auris Diver 65 is pretty cool also. Yeah. Oris makes it a nice.

[Zach]

What?

[Matt Farah]

That's. James May was wearing the Horus pointer date when he came to. To visit us. Lovely.

[Zach]

David Ruddock. We've seen the news that Honda is basically throwing in the towel on EVS, at least in the US do we think the Japanese OEMs are better off focusing on ice and parallel hybrids right now and waiting to see how the EV market shakes out? Or is this something where we look back as the end of this the. Sorry. That we look back on as the beginning of the end for Japanese OEMs.

[Matt Farah]

Weren't all the Honda EVs on market and Acura EVs on the market? Really other platforms like GMS.

[Zach]

Oh, that's true.

[Matt Farah]

The Honda One and the ZDX are both the GM EV platform. Right. Same as Cadillac Lyric and the.

[Zach]

Yeah, they least GMs tech. Right. Yeah. LTM stuff. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

[Matt Farah]

So no disrespect, huh?

[Zach]

Yeah, it's a good point.

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[Zach]

No, no, that's a great point. No, maybe they had to sunset their EV program.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, like. Yeah. Or maybe like. I mean they just. Yeah, they. Maybe they were trying to like, you know, maybe they pulled a very smart move. Or not smart, but, but, but definitely like a move that paid off where they lease this tech and did a wait and see before investing huge amounts of their own money to see which way the wind blows and the wind has blown the other way.

[Zach]

Yeah, our patron missed a, an important detail which is that yes, Kia, Honda and Hyundai are canceling their US EV models, but so is gm. Yeah. And so if you're getting your, your tech from GM and GM cancels it, you go, I guess I'm canceling my plan too.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that, that all lines up just like a 46 foot cat heading at a mooring. Where is this dude going? Dude, it's cutting it tight on the reef.

[Zach]

Is so very Ram. Cini says I live in Montana and I blew a tire my way home from the ice race. I have a Volkswagen all track. I put on 19 inch wheels with tiny tires. My question is, do I keep the cool wheels and risk blowing another one or swap to a smaller rim, bigger tire combo and the roads there were pretty smooth. Like the tarmac in Montana is pretty good. But I always like more sidewall.

[Matt Farah]

I mean 19s on an AllTrack is a lot of rim. But wait, but did he, did he say that he blew the tire because of sidewall?

[Zach]

I think they, I think this person blew the wheel. They didn't say how it happened, but based on the context, bent the wheel

[Matt Farah]

or blew a tire.

[Zach]

Blew a tire.

[Matt Farah]

Blew a tire.

[Zach]

Probably because the sidewall is too small and they did something possibly.

[Matt Farah]

I mean. Yeah, look, I'm, I'm, I have a Taycan cross Turismo and I went from 20s to 21. So I am not gonna throw stones in a glass house and putting bigger rims on a car that's meant for whatever gravel or something, you know, but

[Zach]

depends on your environment, you know.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, no, I mean given the fact that you're in Montana, I mean maybe you do want to go back to the OE size, you know.

[Zach]

Cayman. Oh yeah, came in my sock says this pen. Question. What would you recommend for a left handed person in need of a pen that doesn't cause annoying friction? You get from a ballpoint when the ball rolls into the, the edges of the pen point, which is some real enthusiast stuff.

[Matt Farah]

So I don't like.

[Zach]

They're left handed pens.

[Matt Farah]

There are. I've never paid attention to them which like sometimes the clip or whatever is like a different on a different way around. I've never used a left handed pen intentionally. I probably couldn't really tell you what it was about. But okay, the. Reduce the friction of the ball in the ballpoint. Is that what I was talking about? So, like, you could start by maybe not using a ballpoint pen. Is that. I don't know if that's a, like a dick move, but to say something like that, but like a, like a gel pen or a different type of a, a, a, a cartridge based fountain pen, which is what I like a lot. Cartridge based fountain pens have like, no friction. They're so, they're so light. And gel pens are lighter to me than ballpoint. Oh, has that died?

[Zach]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, no. Oh, no.

[Zach]

Using audio processing software.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, no. Really? These were full batteries too. Brand new. Brand new full batteries, Eve. No, it's terrible.

[Zach]

And if you use more batteries. Well, hot.

[Matt Farah]

All right, well, this doesn't feel hot. All right, well, we'll have to wind this one down. Okay, we'll just wind it down at the, the very end of the program. Thanks for listening for our, our vacation show. The. As you can see, the audio recorder is off. It died at some point and we will have to see when that is, but you will know before we do. We'll be back in the studio next week. Thanks for joining us from our floaty boaty here. And go enter to win this Porsche. Do that. In the meantime, the link will be in the show notes and we'll talk to you soon. Bye.