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Summary

The Smoking Tire Podcast

Episode: Brian Scotto tktkt
Date: December 18, 2025
Hosts: Matt Farah, Zack Klapman
Guest: Brian Scotto

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Overview

In this lively, sprawling episode, Matt, Zack, and returning guest Brian Scotto (of Hoonigan, Gymkhana, and more) reunite for a candid, two-plus-hour exploration of automotive projects, media past and present, creative processes, the making of the new Gymkhana film, and ongoing debates about car culture's challenges and evolutions. With Scotto recently launched into his own podcasting ventures and fresh off directing the wild new Gymkhana installment, the conversation weaves through nostalgia, project car hell, industry insights, old street racing tales, and the growing pains of the current car media landscape.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Podcasting, Attention Spans, & Long-form Content

• Podcast Length Records:

  • Scotto unofficially holds the record for longest single-person guest episode on The Smoking Tire.
  • They joke about podcast length, with Matt noting that "going for longer isn't a goal—it's all about conversation quality." ([03:24])

• Modern Podcast Consumption:

  • Scotto and the hosts discuss listenership drop-off and the struggle to balance episodic structure with meandering, banter-driven formats.

• Episode Structure & Guest Selection:

  • Matt shares his insight: "The audience doesn't like meeting new people. They want someone familiar—or someone so famous you have to see what they say." ([10:24])
  • YouTube-famous guests often outperform even high-profile guests from more traditional media.

The Evolution of Automotive Media

• From Journalism to Hoonigan:

  • Scotto recounts his journey from serious automotive journalist to media innovator with Hoonigan, and how the shift informed his creative style and priorities.
  • He reflects: “I was taking my inspiration from Vanity Fair and Wired ... then I started making videos about burnouts. It changed, dude.” ([11:25])

• Drive Network & Early Paywalls:

  • Discussion of the now-legendary Drive Network as a cautionary tale of being "too early" with paywall content on YouTube.
  • “If we had launched Drive ten years later, fans would be used to Patreon. Back then, people wanted everything free.” ([13:48], Scotto)

Launching a Podcast and Embracing ADHD Creativity

• Scotto explains how his ADHD drives him to start projects but rarely finish them—hence his massive fleet of unfinished cars.
• He’s experimenting with a podcast format that combines multiple show ideas, describing his own channel as "a testing ground for other shows."

Social Media, Personal Branding, and “Posting Your Face”

• Scotto laments that, despite years pushing others to publish their own faces for engagement, now he has to do it himself to drive Instagram visibility.
• Memorable exchange:
  • Matt: “You literally co-invented the YouTuber face.” ([17:22])
  • Scotto: “It sucks that you have to do this now — poetic justice.” ([17:41])

Behind the Scenes: Gymkhana in Australia

• Bathurst Cameo:

  • The team give a detailed, behind-the-scenes account of the latest Gymkhana, focusing on the Bathurst sequence where Travis Pastrana slides into an actual V8 Supercar parade lap.
  • Matt: "That was a fucking closer of closers." ([25:15])
  • Brian: “Bathurst...is the only thing in the past couple years that feels really new to me...When it was happening, I was giddy laughing.” ([25:23])
  • The segment required real V8 Supercar drivers during race week, achieved with remarkable support from event organizers.

• Stunts & Surprises:

  • The “road train” jump and big jump stunts are discussed, as well as pushing the limits of what’s allowed outside the U.S.—leading to attempts at Puerto Rico, San Diego, and finally Australia.

• Filming Challenges:

  • The challenge of filming dangerous stunts within liability-laden U.S. cities due to the negative associations with “takeovers” and public side shows.

Takeovers, Street Racing, and Car Culture’s Shifting Landscape

• The crew reminisce on the “organized” days of New York street racing, contrasting today’s chaos and the way “takeovers” have affected public perception and access.

• They argue the modern takeover scene is largely disconnected from actual car enthusiasts and driven by a different set of social factors (including stolen cars and viral videos).

• Notable quote, Scotto:

  • "The culture has become—unfortunately—synonymous with other parts of car culture. Most of the cars are stock, many are stolen, and I don’t know anyone in our circles participating.” ([55:14])

Project Car Hell, Nostalgia & The New 'Muscle Car' Generation

• They discuss the endless pain of big personal car builds versus the joy and satisfaction of “paper builds”—the research, dreaming, and parts-hunting stage.
• Matt and Brian both identify with the “next generation of muscle car people,” chasing the nostalgia of their youth with VW Rabbits and Fox-body Mustangs.

Automotive Media: Then and Now

• The group unpacks the evolution—from traditional car reviews to massive YouTube business models, and how the current algorithm crushes creative variety in favor of formulaic, bite-sized content.

• They compare the “Wild West” era (Gymkhana, Drive, early Hoonigan) with the current saturated media landscape.

• Insightful quote, Scotto:

  • “YouTube wants the same formula, always. Seven days a week...You could make something great, but if it doesn’t fit the feed, it could fail.” ([131:36])

Film-Making: Realism vs. CGI in Car Movies

• Scotto details his recent work directing second unit/action for the new Sung Kang film “Drifter,” arguing for the importance of real stunts over CG—mirroring the Mission Impossible model.

• The group discusses recent F1 and other car films, the value of practical effects, and how modern audiences crave authenticity post-AI.

• Quote, Scotto:

  • “I feel like there is this want now where people want things to feel real again...The AI slop brought an audience to say: I want to know this actually happened.” ([118:23])

The Triumphs, Regrets, & Lessons of Hoonigan

• Patreon user asks if, with hindsight, Scotto would have done Hoonigan differently:
  • He would have moved toward a model supporting “a collective” of personalities who could also branch out independently, giving them equity and ownership in their projects ([145:35]).
  • “Part of what made Hoonigan great was these guys had their own minds...that became the challenge and the strength.”

Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Podcast Longevity:
  • Matt: “I’m the shortest tall person and the fittest fat person.” ([68:22])
• Scotto’s Project Car Irony:
  • “I built a really good statue. The RS2 is like missionary...not the most exciting, but it’s usable.” ([83:51])
• Racing Memories:
  • Matt on 2000s BMW 1 Series launches: “If 31-year-old me was there, I’d be doing absolute criminal things in a car like that.” ([48:25])
• On ADHD and Time Perception:
  • Scotto: “For people with ADHD there’s now and not now. My Quattro lives in not now.” ([144:50])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Podcast Length & Format: [02:55 – 08:47]
• Evolution from Journalism to Hoonigan: [11:25 – 13:48]
• Launching a Podcast & ADHD: [07:48 – 08:47]; [144:10 – 145:01]
• Instagram, YouTube, and Social Media Woes: [15:45 – 17:41]
• Gymkhana Australia/Bathurst Segment: [24:16 – 42:49]
  • Bathurst scene breakdown: [24:40 – 28:38]
  • On-set chaos and production: [28:38 – 35:15]
• Car Culture Takeovers & Street Racing Stories: [50:23 – 61:37]
• Project Cars, Broken Builds, and Nostalgia: [61:37 – 92:33]
• Automotive Media and YouTube Evolution: [124:33 – 134:26]
• Film-Making: Real Cars vs. CGI: [108:58 – 123:26]
• Regrets & Lessons from Hoonigan: [145:35 – 147:49]
• Notable Patreon Q&A: [145:01 – 157:09]

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• Matt Farah on podcasting and familiarity:

  “The audience doesn’t like meeting new people. They want someone familiar—or someone so famous you have to see what they say.” ([10:24])

• Brian Scotto on nostalgia and project cars:

  “We’re the new muscle car guys ... you build your car and it’s nostalgia. I drive around in my RS2 listening to Mobb Deep and I’m like, oh my God, I am my stepdad with the Volkswagen thing and the Beach Boys.” ([92:33])

• On ADHD and project cars:

  “For people with ADHD, there’s now and not now. My Coupe Quattro unfortunately lives in not now.” ([144:50])

• On the basics of the Bathurst Gymkhana moment:

  “The Bathurst sequence...was three times cooler than I thought it was going to be. ... As it was happening, I was giddy laughing.” ([25:26, 63:02])

• On wanting realism in car films:

  “I feel like there is this want now where people want things to feel real again...The AI slop has really brought an audience to say, I want to know this actually happened.” ([118:23])

• On Hoonigan’s organizational lessons:

  “If I did it over again, I think it would have been a collective. Everyone doing their own thing, but together as one.” ([145:35])

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Tone & Character

The conversation is loose, irreverent, and totally authentic—equal parts inside baseball for true car culture nerds and accessible storytelling for anyone who’s experienced project car heartbreak or the struggle to keep up in the rapidly evolving media world. The friendships, respect, and competitive banter between Matt, Zack, and Brian are apparent throughout, blending car shop tall tales with real business candor and creative vulnerability.

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Final Notes

Fans looking for a deep dive on Gymkhana, the future of car media, and the challenges of being “great at starting, bad at finishing” in both project cars and careers will find this episode insightful and relatable. Scotto, a natural storyteller, is as candid about his successes as his misfirings, and the episode is packed with stories, confessions, and advice for the next wave of creative car builders and media makers.

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Brian Scotto’s new podcast “Very Vehicular” is out now – keep an eye out for his upcoming project directing car action in films and, of course, the continuing saga of his never-ending project car fleet.

Transcript

[Matt Farah]

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[Brian Scotto]

I still hold the record.

[Matt Farah]

Let's just say I don't have any plans.

[Brian Scotto]

Do I still hold the record?

[Matt Farah]

I've not made the mistake of booking my trainer for this afternoon.

[Brian Scotto]

Okay. Yeah, you do. But Single person.

[Matt Farah]

I know you guys do, but it's by like minute. I mean the. The. The thousandth.

[Brian Scotto]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

The south, but thousands.

[Brian Scotto]

But I feel like that's a no. My multiplayer sport.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Single guest. I believe the record. Yeah. Something to. I don't know if that's something to be proud of.

[Matt Farah]

It's not something that I want to like, check. Like just going. Going for longer isn't like a goal. Like if you're. If it's some great conversation, then you go like you're. You are so good at longish form that I have can't. I don't have plans after this. So we go as long as we go and whatever. But like I don't want fucking others to come in here.

[Zach Klapman]

And we don't want the Chappelle situation where it was like him and who are the other comics for like a year were trying to do the longest stand up set. Seven hours in New York.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, it must have been garbage.

[Zach Klapman]

Like wander. Yeah, but it's wandering thought. It's not, you know, dense content.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not that perfect. Six minutes.

[Matt Farah]

That's the Guns N Roses. Have you seen. Have you seen Guns N Roses perform in the last five or six years? No, they are.

[Brian Scotto]

Are we talking like Axl Rose? Yeah, Guns and Roses. Not like. Because what was the other. Was the spin off was Velvet Underground or what? Like.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, well, there was like. Yeah, Velvet Revolver, some members. No, I'm talking about the reunited Axel and Slash. Guns N Roses.

[Brian Scotto]

I didn't even know they reunited. Which like, I have to say I'm embarrassed. I don't know because I. I loved guns as a kid.

[Matt Farah]

Well, so I loved it. I did too.

[Brian Scotto]

Oh, dude. We're about the same age, right? Yeah. By the way, we have the same birthday.

[Matt Farah]

We have the same birthday, which we bring up all on December 1st. Yeah. I'm 44, so yeah, it's worth give or take. So. Appetite for destruction. Use your illusions. No notes.

[Brian Scotto]

Perfect record.

[Matt Farah]

And I saw them back in the day on that famous tour with Metallica. But if you see them now, it is clear that what they are doing is making up for lost time. Because they're doing like three hour and 40 minute sets that are just when I saw them last summer. And I go, this, this would have been the tightest fucking 90 of all time, you know. But on the other hand, like, if Pearl Jam does that, because I'm such a big fan, I'm like, yes, deep cuts all this. But like, I didn't know that people are that into Guns n Roses like that, where they're going like, this is the ninth track on the spaghetti incident. And you're like, ah, whatever, man. Let me get a little Paradise City and I'll be on my way, you know. But yeah, so the deep cut, trust.

[Brian Scotto]

Me, I think about that a lot. Like when we've got like this clock in the back of, you know, my podcast studio, which is AKA my garage, of course, and I had never used the clock before and it was like counting completely weird on my first one. And I'm just trying to be like, I think it's been two hours. I don't know. Because it's like a weird stopwatch. And I do think to myself, does anyone really want to keep listening, like, or have we reached, have we gone past the Overton window of what is acceptable for banter about automotive cars? But then at the same time, I'm. I'm now on my third podcast and they're all over two hours. I can't do less.

[Matt Farah]

You're using YouTube, I imagine, right?

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

So what, how long are people listening?

[Brian Scotto]

I've only released two in the past week.

[Matt Farah]

Wait till you get like 20 and then.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, so it's like kind of hard to see the numbers because it's like, you know, there's like 30 to 40 minute, like listen time, which, like, is when I'm coming from the world of making videos. Like, you want 70%, you know, duration or better of like watch time. But that was out of a 10 minute video. So you're like, okay, people are listening for a long time, but they're not listening for the whole time.

[Matt Farah]

And it's. You get skewed with the people who listen for, for a minute and click away.

[Brian Scotto]

You have to drop that off after that. It's like a really gradual fall off to the end.

[Matt Farah]

And it also is like, how long are people's commutes? And just like the way people listen is a little different. Especially if you're not. If you were doing episodic or. Each episode, this is a complete story and you're not holding people. But if it's more like morning radio friends bullshitting like we do here. I can accept the fact that people are not. They don't need to hear, they're not riveted onto what happen next. And that's okay.

[Brian Scotto]

One of the early comments was, holy Scotto. Like, happy to have you back. But two hours. And I just replied, trust me, I understand. Like, it's cool if you don't want to listen. I get it.

[Matt Farah]

Like, but you, you can put it out there. I mean, maybe it. Maybe it means you gotta chop it up.

[Brian Scotto]

Maybe, maybe. I don't know right now just. I came on this podcast, I guess like a year ago being like, I'm gonna launch a podcast. It took me a year to do it, but hey, I did it. I'm happy. Your. Your comment was nice. He commented on the second one. It just said, we're so proud of you that you actually released the second one.

[Zach Klapman]

Second one.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. It's like, you know, I might not be good at finishing my cars, but I made a lot of media in my.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, you said something on the first episode that I really identified with. You were like, I'm great at starting things, but not finish. Or maybe Ron or Vin.

[Brian Scotto]

Start.

[Zach Klapman]

Me too. So I am.

[Brian Scotto]

I am an amazing starter.

[Matt Farah]

How many unfinished.

[Brian Scotto]

There was a relay race you want me at the first part of. If I was getting the baton at the end, I'd be like, in the Stanzine. Hot dog. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You couldn't sit there through the race just waiting for the baton.

[Brian Scotto]

I would be on my phone, I'd be like doing something else. Talking to the javelin guy.

[Matt Farah]

I can't find you.

[Zach Klapman]

I'm trying this for now. Like, don't get something to finish over there. Like, I want to throw stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

New is really exciting.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Really exciting short term project.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. Which is why I have 26 cars. Because you just like rotate through them like, oh, this is new again. I haven't seen this car in two years. I forgot I have.

[Matt Farah]

So funny.

[Zach Klapman]

That is a fun idea. But it was cool you did. The first show is like chopped up into three kind of little shows within. Yeah, that's a cool experiment thing, which.

[Brian Scotto]

Is something that stems from my. Also my adhd, which is like I can never just settle on one idea. It's like, I want to do a bunch of different things. And that was very much the story of Hoonigan was like, we have a new show. Hey, guess what new show did you like this show? It's no more because there's a new show. So I think with very particular. The whole idea was like, it's gonna be a testing ground for other shows. Cause I actually, as much as I enjoy.

[Matt Farah]

Do you want to do the Brian Scotto podcast network?

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, just the whole network is just me. No, I think it's that while I really enjoy this formula, like the banter formula, and I know you know this, it really works when you have the right guests sometimes. Sometimes I think with the wrong guest, it's just not the right formula for a show. And we used to do this all the time. And it's actually a conversation that came up on that pod was when Hoonigan did Build Bio, right. Donut did another version after we did it called Bumper to Bumper. Right. And we argued that, man, I think that may actually be a better show than our show. And the reason was, was it was very consistent because James Pumphry was very good at delivering the show with. The problem with Build Bio was sometimes you get people on who had never been in front of the camera before and just the whole time they're like staring at the camera. They're nervous, sure. They're not good at telling a story. They have built an amazing car relying.

[Matt Farah]

On those people to be so you never know. So we did. We learned this driving fucking people's cars for however many goddamn years, but also for many years podcasting, I was fully convinced that every episode was a guest driven episode. And then Spike, of course, once was like, hey man, you know, like, they're here for you, right? And so we started doing more episodes with no guests and realized they were outperforming all but our like, best guess. And so now we instantly what I call the famous or familiar rule that people don't like meeting new. The audience doesn't like meeting new people. So I want someone I already know and know what the vibe is gonna be or someone where they're famous and I want to see what they have to say. But like nothing in like, Gordon Murray's.

[Brian Scotto]

In town, he gets on the show.

[Matt Farah]

Actually, we're getting virtually.

[Brian Scotto]

So I get to come again.

[Matt Farah]

We're getting Gordon virtually. You're actually. You cross over both a bit because you are YouTube famous and YouTube famous does very well for us. Like when we YouTube famous people. It actually does better than like. It's true.

[Brian Scotto]

It's true.

[Matt Farah]

I get a YouTuber all the time and it in I die inside. But like, what are you? Journalist. That's what I like to say. But.

[Brian Scotto]

But yeah, whatever.

[Matt Farah]

I die. I can die inside. I can afford it.

[Brian Scotto]

I think it was really hard for me to remove that badge When I started Hoonigan journalist. Yeah. Because I very quickly wasn't a journalist anymore. And I was. And I was such a serious journalist. Like. Like, I really cared about Magazine guy. Magazine Guy. It was very like, I was taking my inspiration from, like, Vanity Fair and Wired and, you know, I was really into journalism, read the New York Times every day and was like, into the art of journalism in automotive. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, I'm gonna make videos about burnout. Sure. It changed a little bit, dude.

[Matt Farah]

I now write for the magazine I grew up reading. So that's a weird one.

[Brian Scotto]

You know, as do I occasionally.

[Matt Farah]

You know, One of the reasons. Yeah, right. And. Well, but one of the reasons I actually really like it is. Cause the fact checking. I like getting fact checked, actually. And I like knowing the finished product is, like, as factually correct as it possibly can be. I actually really enjoy that.

[Brian Scotto]

Here's a random question and something I think about a lot. If you could pause a moment of your career and just live in it, what moment would that be? Oh, boy.

[Matt Farah]

Like freeze frame. And just have that role forever or just like, literally, like a moment?

[Brian Scotto]

No, no, like freeze frame that era. Right. In a way that, like, technology doesn't shift, the trend doesn't shift. So you could still go, stay and be successful at it.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Brian Scotto]

Like, what is that peak moment?

[Matt Farah]

I mean, I would have loved to be able to continue to do the show with Spinelli and Harris and, like, to be able to continue to work in a group with my friends Zach and Thad and Morningstar behind the scenes and JF and Chris and me.

[Zach Klapman]

It was fun.

[Matt Farah]

And I think if had been allowed to evolve for even half as long as, like, a Top Gear. Like, I'm not saying we wanted to be Top Gear, but, like, and Chris got to be Top Gear, but, like, our own thing. But if we had been given the five years, it could have been, like, really amazing. So I would have loved to be doing that. That was, like, the most fun it ever got.

[Brian Scotto]

You guys were too early on everything.

[Zach Klapman]

On everything.

[Matt Farah]

On everything.

[Brian Scotto]

You were too early.

[Zach Klapman]

Drive Network was too early. It all was too early.

[Brian Scotto]

That's why I've stopped doing Drive Network was. Yeah. Drive Network was the cautionary tale of what not to do on YouTube, which so many coffee. Although I'm pro Paywall, but I'm Pro patreon.

[Zach Klapman]

Or 10 years, maybe, if we did. If we had, you know, because now everyone has a paywall, everyone has a Patreon, and fans are totally fine with it. But back then everything was free. And that was the advantage of YouTube, is that you could get this content for free. You don't need to have a cable subscription or whatever. So the idea of putting it behind, you know, dollars was like offensive to everybody. I kind of get it.

[Brian Scotto]

No, for me though, I think that era was the zero to. I didn't realize how much fun I was having until it was over. First of all, I drove cars all the time. I mean, I barely get to like go rip on the track anymore. Back then it was like once a week. It's like, I remember at one point, so much seats, I hit 150 laps at Laguna Seca in like a year. Because they love, you know, at that moment, like they. Every press junket was like, we can put you up in Monterrey and you can go to Laguna.

[Matt Farah]

Is that when Mazda took it over?

[Brian Scotto]

And it was like, it was just. Everybody was there. It felt like. It felt like I would be leaving one trip, come to LA for like two days and then go back to another trip in Laguna and stuff like that.

[Matt Farah]

Now that Spain, I was going to say, yeah, everyone goes to Spain now. I think, I think cuz from the European side it's cheaper to get all the down there and like the weather's predictable and I think the tracks are really cheap.

[Brian Scotto]

Oh, interesting.

[Matt Farah]

I think they're really.

[Zach Klapman]

There's no way it's as expensive as Laguna.

[Matt Farah]

Well, no, Laguna is probably one of the most expensive tracks in the world.

[Brian Scotto]

But yeah, I love that era and I love. I realize as all of this has gone on, I just love like tangible media, something I really enjoy. And I like long form. I really struggle to like, want to make stuff for Instagram because I know it's important to be visible.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

And I told myself in beginning of November, I'm like, all right, the new gymkhana is coming out. I've got this. You know, I'm trying to launch my podcast and I'm trying to do all this other stuff. Like, I have to start posting again because I hadn't. I posted like six times in the entire year. I'm unfortunately like chronically online, so it's not like I'm not on Instagram. I just don't enjoy like the short format as much.

[Matt Farah]

Me either. At all, dude. And unfortunately, maybe you have a new strategy. You've always been better at Internet than me and pretty much everybody. But like, I've found that almost all posts that indicate some other type of media is somewhere else. A podcast gets fully fucking throttled Whereas like my cat, you know, or just some random bullshit is like normal, you know, each platform wants you to create shit just for that platform. And also like the Clip software, which it kills me to use AI, but we've been using that Opus Clip software. I think Instagram is throttling that. Cause they don't want people using fucking AI shit, which I understand. Cause I don't like AI shit. But like, you know, it would be a headache to go start making clips for Instagram by hand, at the level you need to.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah, the. It's interesting. One of the things I realized recently is that photos of me do very well. Which as like, you know this. It's like I'm aging. This is not my favorite version of myself.

[Matt Farah]

People follow you on Instagram to see pictures of you, you.

[Brian Scotto]

And I don't know if it's like, I don't know if it's like a Gen X thing, but like, I don't want pictures of me. That's not who I am. I don't even have a photo of me as my avatar. I have a drawing of rabbit and I'll post a photo of me because someone said, you know, you should post a photo of yourself. Like, I was like, all right, fine. And it like did really well. And I'm like, oh, bro, do you need to do this?

[Matt Farah]

Literally co invent the YouTuber face?

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, you literally co invented the YouTuber face.

[Zach Klapman]

This shouldn't surprise you.

[Brian Scotto]

And it should just. It just. Yeah, it's just one of those things that, oh, it sucks that you have.

[Matt Farah]

To do this now, but it's such fucking poetic justice. For years you've been telling other people that they have to do this to be success.

[Brian Scotto]

Like, that does well for me. You know, it's like you look like.

[Matt Farah]

Jason Camisa in that picture, by the way.

[Brian Scotto]

You know, I'll take that as a compliment. Jason's a good looking man.

[Zach Klapman]

He is.

[Brian Scotto]

So it's better than, you know, what other people have said. Everyone tells me I look like Bert Kreischer.

[Matt Farah]

Bert Kreischer?

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I think you look more like Jason Kamisa than Burt Kreischer in that photo.

[Brian Scotto]

I take that.

[Matt Farah]

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[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

I don't know. It's like doing the thing. But for me, Instagram is a necessary evil to promote the other stuff, I guess.

[Matt Farah]

Did you put on a kangaroo suit to ride a segue in the video, specifically as a counterpoint?

[Brian Scotto]

No, I actually didn't ride the segue this time. Jim York, who also played the Crocodile Dundee character in the one shot and also is the guy that drove the outback into the water to prove that it wasn't just a puddle. He did all the stunts. Like, we just had him kind of jump in for all of that. We're talking about, of course, the new.

[Matt Farah]

Gymkhana, which is fun. As I was watching it, there were multiple places where I experienced some real surprise and delight. When Travis. Spoilers for Gibkata. But when Travis first.

[Brian Scotto]

If you haven't seen it yet, maybe you.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but when he first drives into the Bathurst race, I went, that. That is. That's fucking choice. That's extremely choice. And the scene at the end with him fucking ripping with people in the backseat of it is a fucking closer of closers. That's awesome.

[Brian Scotto]

So the Bathurst one is, I think, the only thing in the past couple of years that feels new to me.

[Matt Farah]

Totally new.

[Brian Scotto]

That everything else is like, we've turned the dial to 11.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Does it go to 11 and a half? Does it go to 12? Right. It was always about one upping the bar on something we've already done. Right. Like, oh, he's jumped something. Can he jump something bigger? We jumped a boat. We jumped a helicopter. Can we jump a road train? Can it be higher? Can it be further? Yeah, right. It's just expanding it, you know, he drove over a small body of water. Now let's make it a bigger body of water. And so you eventually, you just start getting to the limit of, like, 1. The danger gets higher and higher. The Bathurst scene, when it was happening, I was giddy laughing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Brian Scotto]

Like, I broke from being a director and just being like, oh. Like, I was Yelling. I literally yelled when he slid out. And, you know, and Nick and the Bendex car popped through the smoke. Cause that happened on the second take.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, sick.

[Brian Scotto]

Like, it was right there. We did one warmup run and then we did a take and my timing was a little off and they were, they had a break. Like they were up too close and you could see them slowing down. And I famously told them somewhere because, you know, I call out my, my actions, I count them down, and that's where the 3, 2, 1, action. Action came from was because we added all these extra, like, we added an extra action and all these things so that we could do timing off of it, but also so that I knew the driver would hear me because the comms were usually pretty bad. Yeah. And then it became this, this thing especially because the Amazon show. But we did a 10 count. So we counted down from 10 and I realized I had to call them the cars somewhere between three and two. And just after. Derek Dauncey. I don't know if you know Derek, but he was the team, like principal for. For Ken's team for years. He has a, like a FIA homologation mustache. You know, he's British. He's very motorsport. He's very motorsport. And even though he's a really funny guy, he's always seriously deadpan, so. But I brought him in.

[Matt Farah]

He looked like a Nigel Mansell 100 mustache. I know exactly what we're talking about now.

[Brian Scotto]

He's got that. And he, by the way, perfect description. He is fantastic. He's a fantastic and delightful person. We used to refer to him as dear old dad, which is funny because he was only a year or two older than Ken and someone once went up to him and said, oh, you must be so proud of your son. He's like my son, so we always call him Darrell Dad. But anyway, he's always like my liaison to motorsports. Like, we go to like, deal with real motorsports people, supercar. And like, I need him to transl to them because otherwise they look at me and they're like, what is this crazy person? So he's like telling them, oh, did.

[Matt Farah]

You have the actual drivers of those race cars? Yes.

[Brian Scotto]

And they were all racing the next day. Like, I'm still completely surprised they allowed this to happen.

[Matt Farah]

This was shot on like the practice or Quality Wednesday.

[Zach Klapman]

There's like fans there and stuff.

[Brian Scotto]

Well, I know there was, but like.

[Matt Farah]

I figured some people show up, they said, fucking Travis Pastrana is shooting some crazy shit here.

[Brian Scotto]

So the races, right? The race is on Saturday. They've got practice is on Thursday. This was the track walk on Wednesday.

[Matt Farah]

Oh yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

So like we were actually having to stop to let drivers walk through set as we were filming because they're like walking the corners. But I thought they'd give us the back of the pack. They gave us the front of the pack. They gave us the. I mean the guy who won Bathurst was there with us for the scenes.

[Zach Klapman]

What was your shoot? Did they say, hey, you have an hour or you have six hours?

[Brian Scotto]

Yes, we started at six in the morning, but the sun didn't come up till like almost 7:30. And then we were wrapped by I think like one in the afternoon. And we shot four or five different setups. And one of the setups actually didn't get used. And Travis talks about it in a, in a piece we did with Hoonige. But basically Travis was hesitating and like was not committing. And I could tell that he like couldn't get his head around it. And I usually when I see that with the driver, it's best to just walk away.

[Matt Farah]

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[Brian Scotto]

Show because, like, Travis doesn't hesitate. Right? I've never heard that sentence before. Yeah. And he was actually trying to read reenact a crash that had happened there and then crash doing it.

[Matt Farah]

Seriously.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, but it was a light crash. But it was one of those, like, if this goes bad another time, like, it may screw up the rest of the day. So I had to like, do the we're moving on Travis, you know, kind of thing. So that ended up getting cut from the film. But. But no, the rest of it was amazing and all like, just in general, like Australians. It's interesting because if you ask them, they'll tell you that they live in a nanny state because there's a lot of rules and everything. But, like, they all have just like chaos in their hearts. Like these people, like anyone, it doesn't matter who it is, like the lady making you coffee, like, they just want to see rad stuff. Like that's where they're at in life. And everybody at supercar because of.

[Matt Farah]

Of it's a nanny state. But, like, is it that it's not that much of a nanny. It's like just car wise.

[Brian Scotto]

Car wise. They've got a lot of controls. I mean, we tried to go film there nine years ago. They shut us down. They shut Fast and Furious down. They didn't want, like, practical stunts on the street. They definitely seem to have a lot of rules. And they also. But at the same time, they all want to see chaos. Like, at the end of the day, there's a little bit of Mad Max living in every room.

[Zach Klapman]

There's prisoners in hearts.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah. Like, and it's great. But I was, you know, we reached out to supercar with an idea. Actually, the original idea was the film in Gold Coast. They said, why don't you come to Bathurst? We didn't even think that was a possibility because of the schedule. We're like, well, you guys are racing the week. We need to film. Like, yeah, we'll make it work. Nathan over there, who runs broadcast, was like, just let us do whatever we wanted. Gave us all the great drivers. And then I also thought that the drivers were going to be timid. I don't want to crash.

[Matt Farah]

Nope.

[Brian Scotto]

They were all just full send.

[Zach Klapman]

It was one of the greatest moments I've seen in all the gymkhanas.

[Brian Scotto]

Like, I watched the whole thing and it felt unexpected.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, yeah, I watched it and I. After the second time I paused and that's When I texted you, because I was watching again, and I just saw it come onto the track or saw Travis going on the track, and I was like, holy shit, this is amazing.

[Brian Scotto]

It's also one of those things where the cameras, you know, the cameras do it justice. But it also was so good on its own. Like, sometimes there's scenes that the cameras help the scene and make it look better, but if you look at the leaks that have come out from just regular, you know, spectators there, it's just as amazing to watch because you're like, that car just drove through smoke as if it was no thing. It looked completely choreographed. If it was one of those things, like, we tried to do this for a movie. It would have taken five days of prep work to get everyone on their timing. Travis just looked at everybody and said, you guys, we're all. We're all ready car drivers. We all know how to do this. Let's just not hit each other and keep it as close as possible. And they all were like, okay, let's go. Like, that was it.

[Zach Klapman]

That was the pep.

[Brian Scotto]

That was the pep talk. I wish I could say, like, you know, we had this whole thing plotted and GPS and all. Nope, just. Just send it. Can we post?

[Matt Farah]

Let's play this. Or not. We can't stream it. Go Fucking. Is this the first shot? Is this right where he comes on?

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, this is pretty much the moment.

[Matt Farah]

If you're watching at home, let's just say. Let's say if you want to watch this at home, let's spool up. Hoonigan, Aussie Shred. Jim Khan of 2025 to. What is that? Three minutes, 14. And in three, two, one. Action. Action. We'll play from there. And here. Just fucking rips into what looks like the parade lap of Bathurst. And full smoke. That's the shot, right?

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, just the popular smoke was just like. Was everything.

[Zach Klapman]

And then the drag race, it just felt. It felt so playful. Well, this was amazing. The 360.

[Matt Farah]

The 360 through the pit road, or this was scapegoat.

[Brian Scotto]

It was. Was so steep. And, you know, like, you walk things like Laguna and you're like, oh, this is really steep. I can't explain to you how steep the downhill section of the mountain is. Here it is. It's kind of terrifying and, like, it was, like, hurting my knees to walk it. Like, that's, like, partly my age. But it was one of those things where, like, this doesn't come across when you watch it on television. And it's long, it's Long.

[Matt Farah]

It's much longer than the downhill at Laguna too, right?

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I mean, it's not even comparable. Downhill is one turn. This goes on forever. Like you're just downhill downhil, kilometer.

[Matt Farah]

Downhill, right.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. It's, I don't know the exact specs on it, but it is longer than it should be. I, I, there's tracks that I'm, that make me afraid to drive fast on. Like Nurburgring is one of them. This is definitely one of them. I do not like driving fast downhill. This is one of my favorites. It's like you're on the brakes the whole time. You're not, you like, like hill climb is great because you throttle the whole way. Like this is, you're any second from losing it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

You play it on the sim.

[Matt Farah]

On the sim it's fun.

[Brian Scotto]

It does not translate.

[Zach Klapman]

But even on sim, this has always been my least favorite section of any track on any video game because it's downhill and it's tight and the radius has changed a lot and you can.

[Matt Farah]

Just fuck it up.

[Brian Scotto]

It's steeper than you think. The walls are way closer than you think. It's way narrower than you think. There is no runoff whatsoever. There's about two feet of grass that basically gets you just a little bit faster before you hit the wall. A little extra kick. It's blind in so many places. And you know, you talk to the drivers and because there's such like kind of crazy crescent you don't see and then all of a sudden like you drop in. So like a lot of their points of reference are like way off track. Just like the tree is at Laguna. Right. You know, it's like you're finding reference points that aren't even on track to kind of figure out where you are. And it's amazing. And Travis was actually scared to throw this 360. He's like, I don't think it's going to work. Like, it's just too steep. Because when I say scared, like, I don't know if there's like real fear in that man's like, vocabulary, but he was is afraid. Is this actually going to work because of just the steepness of the.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Can you not make a360 work on a downhill? Is math I've never considered, to be honest.

[Brian Scotto]

So typically, like with an all wheel drive car, you need throttle to keep it sliding. Because the minute you come off throttle, you're now in a situation where now the tires are doing their job and they're trying to slow you down and you're usually sideways. So throttle is what does everything. But how much throttle can you be on going downhill that fast? So getting it to rotate, all your control is under. So it's a mixture now of like throttle and sliding and brakes to get to rotate. It's not the same as just kicking it into basically a moving. It's more than a moving donut, because a donut, you stop in place, but it's, you know, a360, your throttle the whole time and you're driving yourself out in an all wheel drive car. You can't really do that when you're going downhill and already approaching at high speed.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

So yes, if you watch it in slow mo, you can see like brakes starting, stopping, wheels moving, like all that kind of stuff. So he figured it out. So how many?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, the first try.

[Brian Scotto]

And like this right here, that this I think was three. We did, we did one take without the cars and then we moved them in. This is either first take or second take. And for me, the timing, like the goal was to get most of the cars past him by the end of the 360 and it worked out perfectly. And then he like not only connected with them again at the end, but he immediately throws it back into drift. Yeah. So it's like obviously this is the main quote unquote moment. It shows how steep the hill is. But my favorite part is this right.

[Matt Farah]

Here because he's like, downhill drift entry.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. He's like, I'm gonna keep sliding, keep it going. Yeah. Like he's immediately back in the race, which is kind of cool. And it's just one of those things. When this leaked, all the comments in Australia were like, that's AI. That's AI. One, no one could do that. Two, you have an entire, you know, no way a sanctioning body would allow you to do it. And it's like, man, I guess it's like, is that a high water mark where you make something so unbelievable that people are like, that's a. I'm like, no, that actually happened.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I think it is a pretty good high water mark.

[Zach Klapman]

Delivery looked amazing. I mean the colors in this, the landscape were just so awesome compared. Like the cityscape ones you've done are also amazing. But there's. It's a lot of grayscale. Right. And this with just grass and, and.

[Matt Farah]

A lot of red leaves.

[Zach Klapman]

Delivery just popped because it was white, but with the bread across it is so good.

[Matt Farah]

And like stage rat actually making a good bit, a bit about the stage Rally sort of aspect was cool.

[Brian Scotto]

We never really did much off road. Right. Like, gymkhana was the on road version of what we did. And although the whole thing was inspired from rally and when we went to go do this one, the Brat sort of inspired it. I didn't really love the concept of the Brat at first. I'm not a big.

[Matt Farah]

I'm not a big brat guy. Yeah, I don't really give a shit. Bucky loves his Brat.

[Brian Scotto]

I get it. It's co. People love El Caminos, all that, and it's fine. But Travis is a big brat guy. And then he made his own Brat, which is like an LS powered brat he did in a film with black rifle. And that thing was cool. And it was like his thing. And then I'm like, we're gonna do another Brat. Like, we should. I had all these other ideas of things I wanted to do, but you know, at the end of the day, it's what Travis wants to drive. So it's like, okay, that's what you guys want to make. When I first. First saw it, I was like, all right, it's interesting, right?

[Matt Farah]

But then is the Subaru powertrain in there?

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It revs to like 9500.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy. So they can actually make Subaru engines that like do things like that?

[Brian Scotto]

Oh, yeah. Well, vent sports car. Yeah. So no, the engine was actually. It didn't pop the whole time. It's pretty impressive, right, for.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

But I think that once we saw the vehicle, it sort of inspired like what we should go do with it. And all of a sudden, like, see, seeing this kind of partial car truck out in the outback made a lot of sense. It all started to kind of connect. And it was like, okay, this feels like the right location for it. And when we were originally gonna go shoot in San Diego, they told us no. So actually originally Puerto Rico hurricanes, then San Diego, no. And then we went back to Australia.

[Matt Farah]

When you try for Puerto Rico and then do you have to come up with a new concept and then present it to.

[Brian Scotto]

It's a big process.

[Matt Farah]

So what was your failed Puerto Rico concep?

[Brian Scotto]

The only problem with Puerto Rico was that when the timing for the car to be finished was gonna put us dead smack in hurricane season. And the contingency is just scary. I mean, it's. You know, it's actually pretty scary what happens in Puerto Rico during the hurricanes. Cause they get completely cut off from everything. You just take on way too much risk that it could even not Be a full hurricane, but you could have rain for an entire week. And there just wasn't enough budget contingency to say, yeah, let's go roll that dice.

[Matt Farah]

No, but like, what was the shot where you were like, I wanna see this car do fucking this in Puerto Rico that made you want to go there.

[Brian Scotto]

There was a building to building jump that only would be allowed in Puerto Rico or places like Puerto Rico. There's a certain element of Travis. Travis pushes the level so far with what he wants to do and what he's willing to do and where the ideas go that we just really can't operate in side of like the US Liability. Right. Puerto Rico's a territory, but you should.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, you can put that on the. Listen, we really. We wouldn't be allowed to do this in America.

[Zach Klapman]

Travis is too brave for the United States.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just became one of those. It was really difficult to do stuff.

[Matt Farah]

Like Elon says it, but he's lying. Like, you could actually be. You could be right.

[Brian Scotto]

Well, we learned this on the BJ Baldwin videos. And it's not just what they're allowed to. Allowed to do. It's the type of stuff, like if we had a supermarket that had, you know, the parking lot fall 15ft, there would be a railing. Not so in Mexico, which means if you need a big drop off jump, it's just there. And so a lot of this stuff is a little bit more natural. That's so funny.

[Zach Klapman]

Natural terrain.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, because there's less like concern about safety rules in other places then the U.S. i mean, the U.S. is like one of the worst when it comes to our level of liability because of lawsuits and everything. So even Europe is more open than that. So I think right now, like the last like bastions of being able to do really crazy stuff on films is probably South America and Eastern Europe. But there was a war in Eastern Europe. So I was like, I guess we'll go look somewhere else. And then surprisingly, Australia came.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. So wait, but in between was San Diego. Did you want to do a military base?

[Brian Scotto]

No, I wanted to shoot in the streets of San Diego because San Diego is the closest topography to San Francisco. And San Francisco is the best film we ever made. Right. With Ken. And both Travis and I wanted to play some level of homage to that. Right. That like, that was the film Jump Drifts.

[Matt Farah]

You essentially wanted Jump Drifts.

[Brian Scotto]

You wanted Jump Drift. And that's something that we haven't been able to really recreate. And that I think is the film that one it was the first film Travis was in. He was in as a cameo with Ken. But to Travis, that was the film where he was like, holy shit. And I think it was for everybody. But Travis loves the danger. And that really had danger. 1, 2, 3, and 4 didn't have danger. Watching Ken just like throw the car absolutely sideways midair, or do that huge jump in Vallejo felt more dangerous. So that was this thing that we wanted to go do. We found some corners that if you would do a split screen, it would feel like it was the same road. I mean, it was amazing how much the topography there matched sort of San Francisco and had a similar kind of vibe to it. You could see the water from it. We had a lot of support from the tourism board. They were really excited about it. We really thought we were going there and on. Unfortunately, as they ruin everything, takeovers ruin that. And they were very honest and they said, listen, we totally understand what you guys do is not takeovers. We understand that historically Hoonigan and the Gymkhana series has been anti anything illegal. Right. Hoonigan probably did less illegal shit than you guys do. Because we never did anything on the streets that could be considered legal. We wouldn't drive fast and show it because we knew that we were under scrutiny because of what we were doing everywhere else.

[Matt Farah]

Right. You did grimy shit on your own.

[Brian Scotto]

Parking lots of parking lot. Yeah, exactly.

[Matt Farah]

Respect.

[Brian Scotto]

And then everything else was like, roads closed. I was way more illegal at 0 to 60 than I was at Hoonigan. Because the 0 60, you're like, oh, I'm test driving this car. I guess I'll hit it. To hit 160 on Lincoln, the most.

[Matt Farah]

Illegal things are done by magazine people by fucking far. Way worse than anything we do in the Canyons on a regular day.

[Brian Scotto]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

On a fucking motorcycle press launch.

[Brian Scotto]

Oh, I could only imagine.

[Matt Farah]

Have you ever. Oh, my. I've.

[Brian Scotto]

I'm not that good of a bike rider anymore.

[Matt Farah]

Not ever. Everyone thinks they're on the Isle of Man. Fucking tt. It's crazy.

[Brian Scotto]

I remember I was on a press launch with. Remember John Guzik? I loved. I don't want to blast John on this, but Jon didn't really enjoy driving.

[Matt Farah]

No. I don't think he likes driving at all.

[Zach Klapman]

No.

[Brian Scotto]

So John would always let me. John would always let me get his driving time.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

So I would always partner with John because it meant I got, like, his track time and he would just ride with me because.

[Matt Farah]

Pretty good strategy. He used to say.

[Brian Scotto]

He would say, look, I'll do one lap or two, but then I'd rather ride with you and then you can like give me your feedback. And that worked as well. So I would always drive with him. But I remember when me and him were in Big Sur once and like, I look back at it, it's like, could it like straight to jail. Like straight to jail. I think it was the M was like the BMW 1 Series M, whatever. Like when that came out or the orange one, I don't even remember, but it was like just full, just absolute no care. And then I go and start this company that is looked at as like these guys and like, and we did nothing but like follow the law. But anyway, you know, and follow the. The rules and not break them.

[Matt Farah]

By the way, if 31 year old me was on the one series M launch in fucking Big Sur, yeah, I would. I would be doing absolute criminal things in a car like that.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, it was 100%. It was fantastic.

[Matt Farah]

I'm with you.

[Brian Scotto]

It was fantastic.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

I mean, one day we should do a pod just on all of. Once. We've had once the statute of limitation.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. Hannah came up with a name for a podcast that I'm going to say out loud right, right now on December 15th.

[Brian Scotto]

Buy the URL right now before an awful sit on the Instagram.

[Matt Farah]

It might. Yeah, it's all right. It's Vehicular Man's Laughter, which is a. Which is a pretty fucking awesome name.

[Zach Klapman]

It's a Naked Gun joke.

[Brian Scotto]

It's a Naked Gun joke. Oh, is it funny?

[Matt Farah]

But it's.

[Brian Scotto]

Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Shit. I never. Is it from the old Naked Gun?

[Brian Scotto]

No, it's from the new one.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, I didn't see the new one.

[Brian Scotto]

Like, yo, they got you on, man. They got you on Man's Laughter. He's like manslaughter and Liam Neeson's like.

[Zach Klapman]

It'S like, there's no joke, son or something like that. It's a great movie.

[Matt Farah]

That's pretty funny. I couldn't see that. All right, well, maybe she stole it from that. But either way, Vehicular Man's Laughter is a good name for a podcast.

[Zach Klapman]

Yes.

[Brian Scotto]

I mean, it's okay, I guess. I'm, you know, I'm coming after you guys. My podcast is a pod.

[Zach Klapman]

It's fine if you.

[Matt Farah]

What if there was a podcast where people you publish on your website, the statutes of limitations of all these questions, crimes, and you're like, if this exp recently expired for you, come on and we'll talk about. We'll talk about your crimes.

[Brian Scotto]

There's obviously got to be things like I don't want on the list. No, but, like, there's certain things. Like you're like, whoa, but otherwise. Or you could have that, but then you have a crew in the parking lot that takes care of it. Right. Like, that's a different show.

[Zach Klapman]

Chris Hansen's in the parking lot. Exactly.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

But that's a. That's a pretty good show.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. That. Who's gone wild all together in one. So protect the world.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. But. Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. Anyway, I don't know where we're at with that, but.

[Matt Farah]

No, you were.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

You couldn't do in San Diego, but.

[Brian Scotto]

We couldn't do San Diego. And what they said to us. And I totally get it. It's like. Like, we know what you make is a film. But it's hard for us as we're having a really difficult time trying to stop takeovers. It's hard for us to then allow something that someone could misconstrue as connection. Even though we know you guys aren't. We know that you' publicly anti that. But unfortunately, there's just people who don't want to sign off on it. And we have. That has become increasingly more of a problem in the US not anywhere else. Because takeover seem to be, unfortunately, an American problem. It seems way bigger here than it is, than it is everywhere.

[Zach Klapman]

Else.

[Brian Scotto]

So. Wow. I imagine. Do you guys talk about this as takeover is a conversation that comes up much, or do you feel like your audience doesn't pay much attention?

[Matt Farah]

I mean, our audience is in general, not about it, but they don't bring about it that much.

[Brian Scotto]

I don't know anyone, basically.

[Zach Klapman]

Like, I think they're just. We skew slightly more responsible because our, like, average 35, and they're just not gonna put themselves at risk for that.

[Brian Scotto]

So I don't think. I mean that. What I mean more is like the problem of takeovers. Is that a subject you guys talk about? Is that something that's come up?

[Matt Farah]

Because not really.

[Brian Scotto]

Is it something that you guys see in your purview? Or is it something that seems like, outside of this? Like, are you guys more concerned with the fact that every week someone crashes on Ach?

[Matt Farah]

That's. That hits. That's more like lands in our lap.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Which is, I mean, also a problem 100%.

[Brian Scotto]

I'll be honest. I don't really. Like, I haven't been up in years, but, like, I don't want to go to ACH because I feel like it's become such a risk of someone crossing the line while you're up there. Where like a lot of places I go that I won't mention. There's no one there. Yeah, well, it's like I enjoy driving at the speed I feel comfortable at and not having like some guy in a brand new GT3 come across the line or something like that, you know, for sure.

[Matt Farah]

I go up there early, early weekday mornings and I'm like way up there and I. And I'm by myself and that's for a reason. But the other day, two days ago, I was filming the Ferrari 12C. Not bad. And I'm going up there and I'm on Angeles Forest highway, which is the commuter road from Palmdale. Now while I'm 100% with you about the fear of someone driving like an asshole in their supercar and crossing, crossing the double yellow, I almost got head on by a fucking. Some kind of economy car that was like four different colors trying to make a fucking double yellow pass full on. And fortunately it was far enough away that I like in a Ferrari, I basically almost came to a stop and put two wheels kind of in the dirt where it was safe and the guy ducked back in in time cause he realized I'm about to die. But I've had that happen a lot.

[Brian Scotto]

More often, I guess. Let me clarify my ach thing. It's more like, especially for, for Good Vibes. There's just so many people on the road at the same time. That one, I think you up your like chances of something bad on Fridays.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Brian Scotto]

Right. Second, I think that there's also an element and this is my own. Is like I am, I'm a pretty moderate driver in canyons. When I'm by myself, when other people are there, I speed up.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Brian Scotto]

Because you're like, oh, there's the excitement, like someone's behind me or something's like that you have a little pressure and like all of a sudden you like start to kind of lose frame of reference of like I'm here to just.

[Zach Klapman]

Go if I don't know the other person. Like I, I point by people all the time. Like I drove this old man 11 up there a week ago and I, I feel the same concern you do. I go to good Vibes like once every two, three months and I'm nervous on the way up and down because it's. Is someone going to cross over whether they're commuting or it's someone who's just trying to get their Instagram views. And every Time I come down, like, I text my wife, like, hey, I'm back down. She's like, thank you. Because she gets nervous every time I go up there. But I think I've seen groups of cars that start just ripping together. And, you know, two of the cars are very capable of the speeds they're doing. And there's always, like, a third or fourth. Not as good. Not. Doesn't have the tires or whatever or the. And the driver. And that's the person that, you know, you have to worry about is the person who's trying to keep up with their friends and has a problem.

[Brian Scotto]

I'm also, like, old now. I think I've just slowed down. It's like back in the day, man. Malibu. Like, when I first moved here, I would take the 911 up there by myself at night and just run. Yeah. Or like, when I was a journalist and living in New York, like, we'd come here like, oh, my God, we have good roads. I don't have to just drive the one loop at Harriman Mountain, baby. Yeah. The same cop who sees me there every week in a different.

[Zach Klapman]

That's the big challenge is, like, I think I talked. I think Jalopnik interviewed me about this. But, like, how do we solve this problem? And it's so hard when you cross over into, like, 35, 40, you get more responsible. You worry about risk more. But how do you explain that to kids who are 25? No, you don't just into cars, and they're doing the same mistakes we made. You know, I mean.

[Brian Scotto]

So to go back to the takeover thing is interesting as to, like, where the Venn diagram is of it. It's something I'm very well aware of because I've watched it sort of shut down a lot of opportunities, a lot of things. It's something that I don't know a single person who participates or has participated in it, other than, like, back in the day, guys who did sideshows up in, like, San Francisco, like, Oakland area when it was, like, early. And that was more because I was interviewing them. Them when I was at Rides magazine, right? It was like, I don't know anyone who's a part of that culture, but the culture has become, unfortunately, synonymous with other parts of car culture. And there. I don't actually, like, I'll watch the videos. I'm like, none of those cars are modified. Most of those guys don't seem like they really know what they're doing. It doesn't seem like part of the culture. A lot of the cars. According to my friend who works in Auto Auto Crimes, it's like most of the cars were stolen. Yeah. So it's not what. But, but to the police and everyone else it's like, oh, it's all the same. Yeah. It's like quota filling is like, oh, we pulled over a modified car and that's us cracking down on takeovers. It's like two different sides of the culture.

[Matt Farah]

Sure.

[Brian Scotto]

So I don't know, I was wondering if it's like something that's risen to.

[Zach Klapman]

You guys, people at Home Depot and saying you're going after the gang members. Like it's.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, you're checking a box.

[Zach Klapman]

You're checking a box.

[Brian Scotto]

And I think that that is a big issue that we're facing right now in Southern California because I have a lot of friends who work on the force and they all tell me like man, like all these crackdown is coming from that because like it's too dangerous to deal with the takeovers. You have hundreds and hundreds of kids. So unless it's like a task force planned where they've got 30 cars they can bring in. But then it's like why actually put that much police after it? Because the one thing that's surprising is less people die there than you probably think. So it does. So it's like it's this weird, like it's a nuisance and there's a lot of people who get hurt but it's not actually reported. So they don't have like the data that connects to it. So you have this situation where it's like it takes a huge force to stop it. But without that force it actually becomes more dangerous. If a cop comes in, you now create a riot situation.

[Matt Farah]

One cop is worse than no cops. But there's a whole gap in between no cops and 40 cops where you just like it just becomes a disaster.

[Brian Scotto]

When you were younger in New York, did you ever go to the street races like Hunts?

[Matt Farah]

I went to Hunts Point once and I got embarrassed fucking real bad, real bad. My Mustang got just its ass handed.

[Brian Scotto]

To it by like a 8 corolla dude.

[Matt Farah]

A totally stock looking Eclipse GSX that it turns out ran like nines.

[Brian Scotto]

I think I know that kid.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Never went back but like, yeah, it's a shade's gray.

[Brian Scotto]

But I bring that up because it was an interesting shift that I experienced when I was younger which was the street racing was actually very sort of organized at one point. And the cops would come in, they would turn their lights on, no siren, everybody would Casually walk back to their car and drive away.

[Matt Farah]

We had things organized.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, it was organized back then. You know, it was a good time. And we would race in Queens, and then we would cross the border to Brooklyn. So now you're in a different jurisdiction. Those cops were happy. They'd go home. You'd race for an hour or two. Shift change would happen, so you'd get a little extra time.

[Matt Farah]

Sounds like you're gay. Street crimes.

[Brian Scotto]

They were. It sounds like you're.

[Matt Farah]

It sounds like you're like, you know, when we were doing street crimes, I totally am.

[Brian Scotto]

It was just better.

[Matt Farah]

Street crimes are worse than our street crimes.

[Brian Scotto]

I am 100% an old man going, you know, in my day, it was different. And I, I, I get that. But there was a moment where it shifted, and I don't want to blame the movie Fast and Furious, but Fast and Furious came out, and all of a sudden a different audience started coming to the street races. And then the cops would show up and everyone get in their cars and crash into each other, leaving, right? You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Matt Farah]

Scramble.

[Brian Scotto]

It was like, all of a sudden it got. And I, I will admit this, like, the mayhem of it was kind of fun. Like, I, I could see being 19, 20 years old, like, the attraction to this thing. But all the old heads stopped coming and that. Which made it worse because the people who actually were, as you mentioned, the 35 and older crowd, who's more responsible, stop paying attention to it. They weren't a part of it.

[Matt Farah]

They rolled their g bodies back into their trailers.

[Zach Klapman]

And I, I remember because I went street racing in Santa Cruz for years. That was, like, what I did on the weekend. I didn't drink. We had a place. We went, and when the cops would show up, they would just drive by with the light on. Everyone leave. But I remember, like, I can still remember the adrenaline I would have when we were just driving back to Santa Cruz. And you'd look in the rear view and see, like, you know, 30 cars with their lights on, and you're like, we're all rolling together. We all have cool muscle cars. And it was just so exciting to be, like, part of that group and part of the scramble. But then to your point, Fast and Furious came out, and all of a sudden the population going to those things, like, doubled or tripled, and there were more accidents. And then everyone stopped going.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, look, dude, for some reason, like, gumball is still societally acceptable and statistically, like, those types of events, not to purely single out gumball, but Those types of events are like just as dangerous.

[Brian Scotto]

Some of the worst crimes I've ever committed were on both Gumball and the Bull Run rally.

[Zach Klapman]

Are they accepted by soc?

[Matt Farah]

They just. I mean they're not, but they're not like there, there isn't some crackdown against them.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, you know, it's just I thought Gumball, the original gumball rally, I thought was the coolest thing in the world.

[Zach Klapman]

When I was a kid.

[Brian Scotto]

Hell yeah. There was nothing that seemed cool. I mean that's how I met Ken Block was I went and I did.

[Matt Farah]

Gumball mischief videos and Jack, that was it. Did they go on Jack on Gumball and cky?

[Brian Scotto]

No, Jackass did Jackass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cuz Ryan Dunn did it, I think with BAM.

[Matt Farah]

But was Seek. Did CKY2K. Did they go on it make.

[Zach Klapman]

They dropped the clip in? Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I think it was part of the whole thing. But that shit was like, that was old and like when I. That when I was watching that, me like I didn't. Hunts Point was like my high school one time and then me and Larry Casilla did English Town. We literally went to the drag show where the guy had a swastika on his hood. Cool. And then it was Ocean Parkway roll racing to 200 miles an hour in like 05 when everybody had V10 BMWs. And it was like 150 to 200 fucking roll racing to that cars and coffee out at the end of the fucking point.

[Brian Scotto]

I remember there was like a exotics run that they used to do in that area. You probably, I think you went on them. And I used to always get an Evo from Mitsubishi at the time. Because Evos at that time could smoke a lot of like brand new exotics. And eventually they banned Evos from going to that event. I'd always like call Mo at Mitsubishi and be like, hey, can I get an Evo again?

[Matt Farah]

I want to go be like, yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

These Evos, these damn Evos. Meanwhile, like I could have got a Lamborghini, but instead I was like, nah, I want to bring an Evo to this.

[Matt Farah]

If you have 15 minutes to live in a racetrack, you want an Evo.

[Brian Scotto]

9100 is a fantastic car at doing that. It's really bad at everything else. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

If you like being able to hear and have a conversation with your people in the car. Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

If you want to have a car from the 2000s with a dash from the 1980s, you know, so.

[Matt Farah]

But yeah, Bathurst was the. Just to finish that off. And that thing is awesome. It's on Hoonigan's YouTube channel, right?

[Brian Scotto]

Is that where it is? Yeah, I think it's on Hoonigan, subaru and channel199. Because they. You can, like, collab YouTube videos now.

[Matt Farah]

Fun.

[Brian Scotto]

Interesting. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

So look across all three.

[Matt Farah]

So, yeah, it's fun. It's sick. I. When that. That shot of.

[Brian Scotto]

Of him.

[Matt Farah]

Him pulling into the race, and that's just.

[Brian Scotto]

It's one of those things, like, you draw it out in your head and you're like, that should be cool.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

And usually it's like, not as cool as you thought. And that was like, three times cooler than I thought it was going to be. Like, it was just so perfect. The timing was so perfect. All of it was great. And I think for me, it's probably a top moment in the film just because it feels different.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

You know, so it does. Yeah. It gets definitely like a milestone. It's like. Like that the. The canyon jump. Just because it's so kind of crazy and dangerous feeling, the driving over water.

[Matt Farah]

Although the canyon is so deep that jumping the road train doesn't really matter. The road train is fucking way down here. And the canyon's like, three times the height of the train. I'll tell you that.

[Brian Scotto]

I have a fascination with road trains. I just.

[Matt Farah]

Of course you do, because they're fucking sick.

[Brian Scotto]

So I just wanted to include a road train just to have. So it was like. Just wanted to be there, but it helped understand the height it gives you. Like, the road train looked small.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Which I think helps you sort of understand how big it is. Otherwise you have like a. A lack of scale. Right. For. For how big the. The jump was and how big the consequences are for it.

[Matt Farah]

So.

[Brian Scotto]

And then I wonder if you could.

[Matt Farah]

Jump a road train the long way.

[Brian Scotto]

Of course. I mean, you could jump, right?

[Zach Klapman]

Sure.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

It's just physics.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Call the octaner, Faust.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure we had a whole other concept, which was to build a rail slide on top of the road train. So Travis would, like, jump to the rail and then the train would be countering, you know, him, and he would slide. Super sick. Yeah. But it was. It was just way outside of budget. Like, you'd be surprised. Surprised how much metal that is to, like, make all of that and figure it all to support the weight of a car. Yeah. So I think it's one of those ones where even though Travis is now like, this is. This was his last film, he doesn't want to do anymore. We're like, it'd be cool to go make that at some point, even if it's just, like, a standalone.

[Matt Farah]

Did you see that kid youtuber who built that truck that was, like, the Mad Max truck that can just, like, drive through everything?

[Brian Scotto]

Oh, Weston. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It has that big, like, cone on the front.

[Brian Scotto]

It's great, too, because it feels like an episode of Mythbusters.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, my God.

[Brian Scotto]

That shit is crazy.

[Matt Farah]

I don't watch a lot of YouTube, but I saw that. I was like, oh, that clip of him just driving through an increasing succession of, like, hard things. Oh, it looked brutal. That was rad.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know who has time to watch all the stuff that's on YouTube. There's, like, so much out there. So much out there. It's always amazing when I run into people and they'll just give me all these updates on what my friends are doing. Yeah. I'm like, oh, that's cool. So Vinny bought another car. Weird. I'm in a group chat with him. He didn't mention it to me, but it's on YouTube.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, right. What did he just get?

[Brian Scotto]

He's got a E30 M3.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Which was. Yeah, he did tell us about that because I think he was, like, pretty stoked. But sometimes, like, Vino buys things that he knows are only going to be around for a little bit, so it's like he doesn't even mention it. Like, wait, you got that? You know, whatever.

[Matt Farah]

My nsx, because this is going to go up on Thursday. My NSX is going to going up for sale on cars and bids. So go, go fucking bid on it, please, if you want it.

[Brian Scotto]

Like, what? What's the spec on that one?

[Matt Farah]

05 silver, black.

[Brian Scotto]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

It was the one right downstairs. 20.

[Brian Scotto]

20,000.

[Matt Farah]

You do not fit.

[Brian Scotto]

No.

[Matt Farah]

20,000 miles.

[Brian Scotto]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Fresh brand new tires, fresh service, full PPF. It's money. It's money. Absolutely.

[Brian Scotto]

What are your cars right now? What are you enjoying at the moment?

[Matt Farah]

The Manx.

[Brian Scotto]

That's your thing.

[Matt Farah]

The Manx is the best. And I spoke to you.

[Brian Scotto]

Think I'd fit in the Manx?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

I've always liked this.

[Matt Farah]

I spoke to Ferdy yesterday. Been accepted into ice race. Congratulations to Manx. They have room on their transporter, but also I have to buy. I basically have to send in the car to get prepped, so I'm gonna have to buy another set of tires that they're going to hand stud. I don't want to know how much that costs.

[Brian Scotto]

But it's going to be a lot. I've had to do that. Yeah. When. When we did Sweden, Toyo doesn't make a studded tire for what we needed. So we built like an R888, but with studs. Whoa.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Which is pretty cool. So it's like WRC spec studs.

[Matt Farah]

How much was it?

[Brian Scotto]

I mean, money was no object at that point. I mean, it's like thousands per wheel. Like, you get to a point where.

[Matt Farah]

You'Re just like, it can't be thousands per wheel. But it's. That's crazy. But we were.

[Brian Scotto]

We were doing something extremely expensive.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

So I'm sure that you can probably. I mean, they didn't allow studs last year. Right. This is new.

[Matt Farah]

Well, so last year they were in Aspen and it was on. Wherever it was, the snow was, like, kind of shitty, which is why they're not doing it there again now it's in Montana. Yeah. So they have better surface and they're doing. They are allowing studs.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. I convinced Ashley that it's going to be a family trip to go this year because my son, you know, he lives in Southern California, she has, like, no concept of snow, so she's like, I really want to do a snow trip. And I'm like, I got this perfect event where skiers get dragged behind 911. Hell, yeah. I think my son will love this.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Are you going to bring a car?

[Brian Scotto]

I'm going to come with Tim, so hopefully I can drive something that he brings out. So the problem. I always have those. I show up to things like that and people like. Yeah. Jump in like, I'm six, eight. I don't fit in your race car. Yeah, that's a problem. The amount of cars I haven't been able to drive in my life because I don't fit.

[Matt Farah]

That sucks. That's a bummer.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. It's not. Something like the tall thing is, like, rad for like, a certain number of years and then it just, like, wasn't worth it anymore.

[Zach Klapman]

No.

[Matt Farah]

I'm right on the line of being able to fit in stuff. So I can fit kind of.

[Brian Scotto]

How tall are you?

[Matt Farah]

I'm six. Two and a half, three. Yeah. It's right on the line. A lot of stuff. Gotta take shoes off. Whatever.

[Brian Scotto]

I heard that before. 6, 2 is the shortest tall person.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Exactly. I'm the fittest fat person and the shortest tall person.

[Brian Scotto]

You look good, by the way.

[Matt Farah]

Thank you. My new proper cloth shirt.

[Brian Scotto]

Is that what it is, Taylor? Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

They're a sponsor.

[Brian Scotto]

Tailored clothes, like a whole lot.

[Matt Farah]

They're a sponsor. They tailor this shit on the Internet.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, really? Yeah, it's really good.

[Matt Farah]

Wow. Pretty. Pretty good. I'm into it. Yeah. Very nice. Shout out to them.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, I tailored clothes. I only have, like two things I've tailored my entire life. And you're like, yeah, this is how real, dude.

[Matt Farah]

Adult, sweetie. Dude, the secret to looking like a celebrity is to have everything tailored.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Like your. Your sweatshirts, your fucking T shirt, everything. Like, just factor in an extra $15 per garment to have everything tailored, and you will look like a million dollars. It's. It's not simple, not easy, but you could do it. Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

No, I had. Because I have really long arms because I'm so tall, so I have a 39 and a half inch arm, so nothing off the shelf fits. Right. So. And you'll see, like, I'm always like, it's definitely something I'm, like, aware of. Like my, you know, my wrists always showing, covered up, roll up sleeve. I actually think it's one of the reasons I don't wear a watch because it becomes something that, like, even more exaggerated, you know? But then I got a bunch of shirts tailored when I got married, and I'm like, these. Like, I wish everything fit me like this.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

But I've got too many cars to take care of to tailor my own clothes.

[Matt Farah]

So. What, you sell one car and that will pay for your tailoring for like five years.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Which car would you sell? Any of them.

[Brian Scotto]

I've actually just sold. I just sold two.

[Matt Farah]

What did you sell?

[Brian Scotto]

So I had an Audi 4000 that I bought in Vancouver and drove down. I bought it during the pandemic, I think I talked about last time on the show. Bought it, and it was super fun, but it served its purpose. Like, its purpose was that road trip. Was that road trip. And I sold it to a couple who just recently drove it from my. My farm in Fallbrook all the way out to Pennsylvania.

[Matt Farah]

Nice.

[Brian Scotto]

And like, it got no extra service from the time I drove it down and fixed it to them leaving. I'm like, good luck. And they got out there with no problems.

[Matt Farah]

Cool.

[Brian Scotto]

So, yeah, it's pretty cool. They got. Unfortunately. Unfortunately, they got pulled over, like, eight blocks from their house. So no tags. No tags, yeah. And they made it all the way, which is pretty. Pretty impressive.

[Matt Farah]

I hope the cop let them get the rest of the way home. That would be.

[Brian Scotto]

But. But yeah. And then I had a Audi A1.

[Matt Farah]

Oh.

[Brian Scotto]

Which is little hatchback yeah, they never sold them here. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Did you buy that on your Euro car?

[Brian Scotto]

No, I. I bought it from someone in Utah and it somehow had a Utah title, so.

[Matt Farah]

All right. They're not that interesting. They're interesting for five minutes. Right.

[Brian Scotto]

I was working when I left and was working at Super Plastic. I was working in downtown la and I was parking in an area that I would walk out and be like, I'm surprised no one broke the window on my RS2. And I realized maybe street parking in RS2 in downtown LA wasn't a good idea. So I bought this.

[Matt Farah]

I think you could hide in plain sight in an RS2.

[Brian Scotto]

You can, but they'll break into anything in downtown LA. So I was like, yeah, I'll get that. So I got that and I actually really liked it. It's kind of. It's like a Mark 3. It's like a Mark 3 Golf in terms of the way it drives and feels, but it has just the right new tech. Cause I don't like new cars. I'm like, I don't. I just can't get into new cars. But it has Bluetooth audio, which I think is super important. And it has Hill Assist, which I've learned to enjoy. I trashed Hill Assist the first time I ever reviewed it. Cause I'm like, who needs this?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, some.

[Zach Klapman]

It's nice.

[Brian Scotto]

It's nice.

[Matt Farah]

Hill Assist is nice.

[Brian Scotto]

It's not. It's not bad. It makes driving a manual in traffic.

[Matt Farah]

Is it a 1.8?

[Brian Scotto]

It's a 1.4 Turbo, so it makes cool turbo noises. It wasn't really quick, but it was sporty. It was kind of fun. It was easy to park. So. But I start there. I sold it the minute I looked at trying to buy coilovers for it, because I was like this. It no longer serves its purpose. Like it's, It's. It's crossing into a wall.

[Zach Klapman]

Makes a downpipe for this thing.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah. The minute you're like. The minute I'm sitting there looking at like 1.4 upgrades and then like.

[Matt Farah]

Like 1.4 upgrades.

[Brian Scotto]

But I have all these other projects that don't. So I got rid of that, got rid of the 4000, bought a Vanagon, which I almost brought here today, but brought a Vagon.

[Matt Farah]

Is it a camper? Is it like a van?

[Brian Scotto]

Like the minivan? It's the. It's actually the Carrot, but it's like the weekender where it doesn't have a pop top, but it's got the rear facing seats.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, nice. With a kid.

[Brian Scotto]

It's great. Cuz, like, like he could sit in the back, like eat dinner, like Ash could be in the back with him. I don't know. And it's also an oddly good mobile office, which is nice.

[Matt Farah]

So like, if I does have a table.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, it has a table in it. So like, let's say I had a conference call after this. Like, you know the parts of our lives that we don't enjoy. I could just be like, all right, I'll just get out, go find a quiet place to park and work on it. So like. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Is it this one, the Weekender?

[Brian Scotto]

No. So mine doesn't have the pop top, but what year is it? It's a 1990 volt Vanagon Carrot. So yeah, it's that.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. So yeah. So it's got the conference table.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, it's the conference table. So.

[Matt Farah]

And then what's behind that third row? Is that a hard.

[Brian Scotto]

I don't have that. Mine's just an open space. I think that's a closet in that one.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah. Okay, cool.

[Brian Scotto]

But that's pretty sweet though. That does.

[Matt Farah]

That would be a good mobile office.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, it's not bad. And I enjoy it. It has. I realize that I'm. I'm aging at a rapid rate right now because just a few years ago I was trying to build 1,000 horsepower cars.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

And now I'm trying to explain that how the gearing in a Vanagon actually makes the 2.1 Vasa boxer an acceptable amount of power at a measly 90 horsepower. I'm like, it works. I can get up hills. Like, it's not that bad. Why do you have to go so fast?

[Zach Klapman]

Technically you'll get why so fast.

[Matt Farah]

We've had this delica, same thing, you know, same thing, right. For five, six years now. And it is the fucking best. And part of of it is you are forced to just like go this speed. Like I can't be in a rush. I can't drive like a dick. Like this is the speed I go.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And like it's fine up till about 65.

[Brian Scotto]

And the 405 looks so much different from the right lane.

[Matt Farah]

It really.

[Brian Scotto]

I've seen things I've never seen before, including in an entire encampment.

[Matt Farah]

That's really fucking funny. Yeah, it does. And we have. Ours doesn't have a built in table, but we have the facing seats and so we have a little folding table. This does basically the same thing.

[Brian Scotto]

Facing seats. Like, why doesn't that exist more?

[Matt Farah]

Probably crash Testers.

[Brian Scotto]

Does like the Kia Carnival have it or something? I think it has like the moo. I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

I'm not like I just rented a carnival. I don't think they swivel like that though.

[Brian Scotto]

I, I just think that. But crash testing doesn't make sense either because like being backwards in a car is actually probably safer.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, I think if you got rear ended it might be worse. But if you.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, but you crash, the percentage of like fatal rears are like rear end is. You're usually moving unless you're at a dead stop. But even then it's, it's whatever the impact. But usually if you're moving at whatever speed someone else hits you, it's the reduction of those two.

[Zach Klapman]

I agree.

[Brian Scotto]

We're like a head on collision is the most dangerous. Actually. T bone is the most.

[Zach Klapman]

Is the most.

[Matt Farah]

T bone is definitely the most. But I don't know why they don't have rear facing seats anymore. I don't know.

[Brian Scotto]

They were like, they were great. They were great. I mean remember as a kid I liked the bat?

[Matt Farah]

The wagon.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Like 740 wagon.

[Brian Scotto]

Hell yeah. Just like a kid with you. I mean that I could see being in a rear end accident being really bad because your feet are in the crumple zone.

[Matt Farah]

That's the Porsche 917 crumple zones of station wagons.

[Brian Scotto]

It's wild having a child now because I think about safety in my cars in a way that I never did before.

[Zach Klapman]

Right.

[Brian Scotto]

Like I won't.

[Matt Farah]

I'll survive this crash, but not him.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. Or it's like I might not survive this crash, but I've made that decision by driving this car.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Brian Scotto]

Like I knew that getting into this.

[Matt Farah]

I went down having a good ass set.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. And it's like I won't get on the highway with him. Ham in my Rabbit.

[Matt Farah]

Oh really? Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Cuz like the, the A pillar is like made of like number two pencils and like I don't even know they're Ticonderoga. Like it's. That thing would just completely crush when.

[Matt Farah]

I drive the Manx around. It's, you know, I'm outside.

[Brian Scotto]

The thing I like the most about the Manx is it doesn't seem like it should be illegal. Like that's why I want a Manx. Cause I'm like this doesn't seem like it should be illegal. No.

[Matt Farah]

It's shady, but it's great.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's so fucking fun. Everything about it is, is so awesome. It makes me so happy when the.

[Brian Scotto]

Weather to get the drive on.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Oh, they'll let you borrow.

[Brian Scotto]

What's your. What's your, like, weather plan for Montana in the Manx? Like, wow. You got, like, a full, like, arctic level suit.

[Matt Farah]

I'm basically just gonna dress like I'm skiing.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, okay.

[Matt Farah]

Right. It's not gonna be, like, worse than colder than when I'm skiing.

[Brian Scotto]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Isn't that.

[Zach Klapman]

You'll be going slower, probably.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Do you remember Matt Tasillo?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, of course.

[Brian Scotto]

So when we went and shot in Sweden, it was like minus 30. Matt Tasillo was so afraid of the weather. Cause he's just, you know, big love to Matt Dasillo, but he's just, like, someone who is always anticipating disaster. Like, his entire life is just. This could go wrong.

[Matt Farah]

It's an important role for people like that.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah. And that was his job. Right. He was the managing editor at Zero60. And then he was sort of like. He was the adult in the room, you know, for Ken's team. And now he's over at Haggard, but now he has to deal with insurance.

[Matt Farah]

He ends up insurance.

[Brian Scotto]

That's exactly where he belongs. But now he's on the content side. But. Yeah, but Matt bought this onesie. Like a North Face onesie. Like, the things you, like. You only wear this if you had to go to, like, Antarctica. And, like, look, the rest of us were dressed warm, but this guy would walk out, and he looked like the Stay Puft partial Marshmallow Man. But it was all yellow, which was just insane. I think you need something like that.

[Matt Farah]

Well, so for a long time, for snowboarding, I had a onesie, and it was amazing.

[Brian Scotto]

I say something. You don't strike me as a snowboarder.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, really? Yeah. I don't know why, because I'm very white.

[Brian Scotto]

I think it's the height side of you. You look like a skier.

[Matt Farah]

I am now. Well, I started skiing when I was a kid. When I was 13, everybody switched to snowboarding. All my friends, including me, we all switched. And then I went back to skiing when I was like, 39 or 40. And I'm.

[Brian Scotto]

So where did you snowboard?

[Matt Farah]

Where'd you go in New York, we would go to mostly a Killington. Liked Killington a lot. And we would do Hunter Mountain and Windham for day trips. But Killington, I think, was the best of the east coast mountains.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, it was good. Stowe was the.

[Matt Farah]

Stowe was the best snow, but Killington was the biggest.

[Brian Scotto]

The biggest mountain.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

I was.

[Brian Scotto]

I was a snowboard instructor at Wyndham oh, really? Yeah. I taught snowboarding at Wyndham, and then I was like a. I went to University of Vermont, So I was a local at Stowe.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, cool.

[Brian Scotto]

So I did 100 days between there and Sunday River.

[Zach Klapman]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Sunday river, everyone. A bunch of my friends went to Gould Academy, which is at Sunday river in Maine, and they would ski the second half of the day in the winter. It was fucking amazing. That's just about as cold as I've ever been skiing at Sunday River.

[Brian Scotto]

It is cold. Yeah. Have you ever gone to Lake Placid? The White Face?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

They give you a blanket that's cold. And Whistler was cold.

[Matt Farah]

My bachelor party in Whistler in February was fucking cold. But it was. The skiing was incredible. Wisdom was amazing.

[Brian Scotto]

I actually have very limited west coast riding in me. Like, I've done a bunch with Ken, but it was like I was no longer a good snowboarder. Like, I had this period of time where I was, like, really good. And then. I don't know, I just.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. No, I'm not. Now I just enjoy being out there and cruise. But if we're going ice racing, let's. Let's fucking get a day.

[Brian Scotto]

If I can get a good knee brace. Yeah, I'm down.

[Matt Farah]

I ski with two knee braces on. I had a bad crash, like, 15 years ago, so I still ski with knee braces.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. I was just reckless as a kid. And every time my dad said to me, you're gonna feel that when you're older. I was like, whatever. Woke up one morning, I'm like, oh, shit. This is what I was talking about, pretty much.

[Matt Farah]

But, like, my Manx has heated seats, so that's my plan. And I'm gonna dress like I'm skiing, and I'm gonna take the roof off. And they said they're going to prep it, but aside from tires, like, I don't know what the fuck that means.

[Brian Scotto]

Is there a handbrake in that? You probably don't need one.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, there's a parking brake, but.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

It's rear engine and rear drive. It'll probably be.

[Brian Scotto]

You'll be fine. You'll be fine.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, if it's like a complete mess, like, who gives a shit?

[Brian Scotto]

It's like.

[Matt Farah]

It's silly.

[Brian Scotto]

It's.

[Matt Farah]

I have my Bentley sheepskin floor mats ready for winter.

[Brian Scotto]

I got it. I like it. Yeah. I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

This might be a terrible idea. I don't know.

[Brian Scotto]

I think it's fun. I didn't go last year. It looked Like a lot of fun. But it did look like the driving was maybe not on the same tier that I'm used to seeing in like the European.

[Matt Farah]

This seems to aims to fix that.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah. Ye.

[Matt Farah]

He's going. His car. Do you know Ali Javadon, our buddy?

[Brian Scotto]

No, I don't.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, he's the Range Energy guy, the hybrid.

[Brian Scotto]

Hybrid truck.

[Matt Farah]

He also has this like sick BMW 2002, like race car. He's going. And he rented a house that we're getting in on. So fun as fuck.

[Brian Scotto]

I wanted to. I didn't get my shit together in time, but I wanted to try to submit to bring my Audi Coupe Quattro there, which would be cool. Cause it's like, it's this close to running. It would give me a reason to finish it. Like 1000 horsepower is a great place. We saw it last week. We saw the bdi. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, trying to get that done. But Tim's going. It's just. What is he bringing? And I'm trying to get him to bring the.

[Matt Farah]

Your car would be awesome.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, it would be cool.

[Matt Farah]

Doesn't your car have an IRA engine in it too?

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

What was the thing that kept it from working like two years ago when you walked away from the street?

[Brian Scotto]

It's just the clutch doesn't engage properly. And like, how hard is that? It's a weekend worth of work. So it's a weekend worth of work to get that done. But then it's a. But then it becomes the final 2% of a project which is, you know, just the teething of all the things. There's nothing on that car that hasn't been changed since it got taken apart. So, like, nothing. Everything's going to break. So, like, everything's going to need to be developed. And this is the thing that no one tells you when you build YouTube cars is that you can get all the parts, you can find all the people to help you build it, you can weld it all together, you can make it look right, you can even get to drive out of the parking lot. But then getting it to work as you intended is what takes a race team. And I should know this because I did this with a race team working with WRC level cars and just the amount of development it took to get a lot of even the hoonicorn things like that to work the way we wanted it to. I have now built a car that is so beyond my capability not only as a driver, but also in terms of just my ability to troubleshoot why things are Working. I'm just scared of it at this point and just scared of, like, I'm gonna. I know exactly what's gonna happen.

[Matt Farah]

Make it drive like a normal ass car. Or can it only drive like unicorn light?

[Brian Scotto]

It's like full race car now. It's like, it's. Everything about it is on. Is on the level. It's like the minute I pulled the entire chassis harness out of the car and I'm like, I'm gonna rewire the whole thing and run a PDM in the car. Which means, like, in order to. If I change my tail light, I have to plug a laptop in to tell it that I changed the tail light.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, wow. It's like, I know.

[Brian Scotto]

Don't know why I did this to myself. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Taking things apart before you know how you're going to put them back together is a. That's a. That's a bad call.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. I'm really good at starting things. Yeah, I was. I started the shit out of that project. It's the finishing.

[Matt Farah]

I mean. And you got it to Sema like, it was. Oh, yeah, it was at Sema.

[Brian Scotto]

And then I got a fire and all of that. I don't know if you saw the episode that I did with Vinnie on it, but it was really funny because I just, like, just compared to like, this is not. This is what YouTube tells you to build. But at the end of the day, the RS2 is like such a better because I get to drive it all the time.

[Matt Farah]

It works.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. I compare it to. Is like, I was like, this is what you see on. On pornhub that, like, you never get to do. And like, the RS2 is like, it's like missionary, maybe like reverse cowgirl. Like, it's usable. It's very usable. It's not the most exciting thing you've ever seen in your life, but it's usable.

[Matt Farah]

So in this. In this Instagram post, though, it looks amazing.

[Brian Scotto]

It really does. It's a really good statue. I built a pretty good statue. I'm pretty stoked on it.

[Matt Farah]

Hang it on the wall.

[Brian Scotto]

I hang it at bbi. It's great. Yeah. So. And it's awesome because I don't have to pay storage because Tim doesn't seem to mind it there.

[Matt Farah]

That's crazy. That's crazy. They have very limited.

[Brian Scotto]

That's how I avoid. That's how I avoid, you know, giving you money is. I just like, hey, you might leave this in your showroom.

[Zach Klapman]

I mean, sure, that's what it looked like when it was stock yeah, pretty much.

[Brian Scotto]

Well, just lowered. Yeah, lowered on wheels. Actually. It's still pretty far from stock there. But it was non turbo body work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So.

[Matt Farah]

But yeah, why shouldn't it be a thousand horsepower and run on methanol?

[Brian Scotto]

And, you know, Vinnie and I did a whole episode about how this is that scope creep. When you build something for the Internet that, like what I. That was never my intention. My intention was to build. Was to finish a project that I started in 2004. And then. Let's sit. Which was like, to build a really fun streetcar.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

And instead I built a full blown race car. Like, there's not even a passenger seat. Like, it's a full blown race car that, like, we both know won't be that good on track. Because I'm not a race car engineer. I built something that looks cool. It'll probably do some things very well.

[Matt Farah]

And is it all wheel drive or rear?

[Brian Scotto]

It's always, yeah, Quattro system.

[Zach Klapman]

So now, did this slippery slope happen because. Because you knew everyone in the mat modification industry, basically. Did you have people come up to you like drug pushers, go, hey, we could get you this, we could do this. And you went, oh, yeah, okay. And then it just drifts away from your.

[Brian Scotto]

That's the access you have when you create, build content and have a huge audience. Like we did at Hoonigan, where someone will say, here, I heard you doing this. Like, you know, why would you not have, you know, a sequential transmission? Why would you not have this? Why would you not have this? And even if it's not, even if they're not like completely comping it out or you're doing like a marketing trade out, it's always at a discount.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

And it's like a good sale. Like, my grandma would never pass up a good sale. You know, like, of course I don't.

[Matt Farah]

Need to get a fucking X track gearbox, but like, ooh, it's 75% off. Why wouldn't I want one?

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. And it becomes like that. And it also became this weird competition between Ken and I because Ken was having, you know, he took this lce car and was sort of refinishing it. And it made me want to push mine to be better than his. So I was like, I'm going to have more power, more this, more that. Like, I couldn't be beat the man at 95% of the things he did. So I was like, oh, let me try to do this. The difference is he got his car to run at the end, but that's because he had like an entire race team building it. I built this with a few buddies, right?

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. Like, I saw what Ron went through with his crazy Evo and it's like what you did. It was like a 900 horsepower gymkhana car, but it broke like every time he drove it until the final month when he owned it. It seemed like he ran it a couple times, but it's a full built race car. Trying to drive around on the street.

[Brian Scotto]

And you start to change so many things that it doesn't like it's. It is really actually like, just rude to think when you're building something like that that it's gonna work, right?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. You're not gonna make it not drive like an out like an Audi.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. The engine still sits 19ft in front of the wheels. It's still gonna do a certain thing. But no, I think it's just. It's a lot to get that and then develop it. And I don't think that the YouTube model actually supports the development part to this point. And that's the finishing line. People don't really want to watch four episodes of you at the track making minor adjustments or trying to understand why this one an fitting continues to leak. Or you know, that you used way too many heim joints and like you've rattled the entire. You know, you've rattled your fillings out. Or this isn't doing this. Or this is binding because you did this. Like, that's not fun. No.

[Matt Farah]

The cosmetic reveal, is it?

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That you're once it. As far as YouTube's concerned, you're fucking done.

[Brian Scotto]

I remember we did when ACP and I did a TV show at Discovery Channel, we built this Rolls Royce, which later became the Hoonigan Rolls. But in the beginning, we did it for the show Car Saviors and they said to us, well, you guys have to paint it. I'm like, well, I kind of like how it looks like it has like a cool look. They're all metal and they're like, no, you don't understand. This entire show is about the color transformation. We don't care what else you do as long as we get to come back from commercial break and it's a different color.

[Matt Farah]

Pull a sheet off.

[Brian Scotto]

That's it. And I think the car was silver and blue. And we made it blue over silver, which, like, they were not because I just bought them on it. And then sure, go some.

[Matt Farah]

No surprises, but like, sad but true. Completely accurate like that. That marketing person was absolutely right. And it sucks that that's what, like build shows, you know, are.

[Brian Scotto]

Have you owned a serious build since your Mustang? Or was that really because you're now more on. Yeah, yeah. Well, listen, I.

[Matt Farah]

Says the guy with a disassembled Lamborghini Countach, but that's not a. I mean, maybe it's the same thing, I guess because this car was absolutely running and driving when I drove it to Donnie's house to fix the window crank.

[Brian Scotto]

Is it still not running?

[Matt Farah]

No, it's not.

[Brian Scotto]

Put back together, we've been talking about. I've been on the show like three times in three years.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's been three years.

[Brian Scotto]

We've talked about it.

[Matt Farah]

It's been three years.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, it's Been three years. Probably my coop too.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it's three years. That post says 2021 Habibi, so I think you fucking win.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

No, no. Yeah, but I mean, I have other shit to drive. But no, but I did learn after that that I didn't want to do those types of go where no one's been before builds anymore. So, like after that it was like Lee Keane, I'm sending the wire and a stock car and you call me with a bill and a fucking finished product, you know, and then, hey, Rick, demand sending you a bill. Brand new spider ship it when it's done, you know, and that's. And that's worked out.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, worked out.

[Matt Farah]

I get to drive the crazy thing that I wanted to drive without dealing with the.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. Unfortunately, crazy builds for me, they're like that toxic, like, ex girlfriend. Like, you don't avoid her text messages. It's just like, I'll sit there and be like, yeah, I'm never going to do this again. And then I'm like, you know, that car does need an all wheel drive swap and a turbo one four and all that. And you just get into it.

[Zach Klapman]

Do you think that that is. Is that part of your brain? Like the same creative brain that has led to so many amazing projects, Channels, et cetera, wants to go all the way to 11 with Project CARS, or do you think they're totally different? It's just like, I don't know, what is it about your car life that has led to you wanting to have those kinds of cars?

[Brian Scotto]

I really enjoy the paper build part. Like, I enjoy the research and the concept and thinking about it. So, like, there's a car right now that I don't even tell anyone about because I don't think anyone would be interested about it. I have a car that I buy. Bought as a Parts car because I wanted to steal the interior out of it for my rabbit.

[Zach Klapman]

Right.

[Brian Scotto]

The mark ones are harder and harder to find. So, like, if I find one for cheap and it's got the right parts, like, I'll grab it. That's one of the downsides of having a farm.

[Matt Farah]

When farm becomes junkyard.

[Brian Scotto]

Yes, yes, yes, yes. We call it aviscato farm and salvage for a reason. But that car is. It was going to be a parts car and then I ended up getting the title mailed to me and I'm like, oh, this is like a non salvage title. It's clean and the car could be restored. So I dream all the time about how I'm gonna restore this car, but how I'm gonna do it as if I was still 22.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

So instead of just going and throwing money at it and buying all new stuff for it and all these things, like, I'm just like slowly acquiring like cheap parts from marketplace or buying other parts cars. I don't know why this excites me. Because I could. I have other mark. I have another mark on rabbit.

[Matt Farah]

That's when cars were most exciting to you. So you're going back to that. I think about fox bodies all the time. Even though when I was driving fox bodies, I was thinking about the shit I have now all the time.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, it's weird. It is weird. Like that. Yeah. So anyway, I dream about building like a really simple rabbit that's just a really good daily driver that I really enjoy and sort of saving that car. But I am doing it the cheapest way possible. And my other friends are like, why would you do that Headache? Like, just get a new part. Like, why are you trying to go to a junkyard to go find this one thing? And it's like, I don't know, I kind of enjoy the. I enjoy the hunt.

[Matt Farah]

The hunt. Because you're giving yourself a challenge.

[Brian Scotto]

Plus, we're also. You do realize we're all at that age now where we are the new muscle car guys.

[Zach Klapman]

That's true.

[Brian Scotto]

We're the new generation of, you know that like, you build your car and it's nostalgia and you drive it listening to music from that era. Like, I drive around in my RS2, like listening to Mobb Deep. I'm like, oh, my God. I am. My stepdad driving around in his Volkswagen thing, listening to the Beach Boys.

[Matt Farah]

So we are doing a little bit of a project. Sorry if you've heard this before, but I got a free Mercedes 124 cab 95. So I'm converting it with shont from CMS Motorsports to a full E500 convertible that never existed.

[Brian Scotto]

I like this.

[Matt Farah]

Just to fucking ride dirty. It's red. Red. Black.

[Brian Scotto]

Oh, nice.

[Matt Farah]

We're gonna do. We're gonna do a herringbone interior dope stereo.

[Brian Scotto]

So you are about to get into a pretty crazy project. That's a good one.

[Matt Farah]

It's just a little powertrain swap.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. One to another.

[Matt Farah]

No big deal.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Nbd.

[Brian Scotto]

Have you seen the guy who has the. I've seen him, like, up in Malibu in the past. He has the. It's like a 300 wagon, but it's like full 5.500e. Swap.

[Matt Farah]

The red one.

[Brian Scotto]

Red one.

[Matt Farah]

That's him.

[Brian Scotto]

Oh, he's doing it small. There we go.

[Matt Farah]

Sell me that car. So I'm having him build me a convertible instead.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, that thing is super rare.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Yeah. He also did the. He did the. At pebble beach this year. The white shooting break.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. I didn't know.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, this. This dude shot.

[Brian Scotto]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. He fucking rules.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. Yeah, that.

[Matt Farah]

So this. This white one if.

[Zach Klapman]

Sorry.

[Matt Farah]

It's the real motherfucker.

[Zach Klapman]

That was the third.

[Matt Farah]

Where is it? Is it. No, that's a wagon. That one's just a wagon. But there's the. The one they. They did for pebble, which was this white. That's it on the right.

[Brian Scotto]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

And it looks like it has blue tint.

[Brian Scotto]

Yep.

[Matt Farah]

It does not. Is it? The interior is that color. It has perfectly clear windows. It's the fucking coolest.

[Brian Scotto]

I. I really want to do an all one color interior. I feel like it's such a, like, mid-90s thing that has been forgotten. And now, like, obviously you see them on 9 11s, but it was something that was super cool. In the Volkswagen world, it's like you'd have a black car and then you would have just like a mint interior. Yeah, that's like. It's just wheels. Simple. And then the interior, but it's like every single part of it is wrapped.

[Matt Farah]

That was like the funk Flex celebrity car show era of fucking for sure.

[Brian Scotto]

Did you have the pleasure of knowing Flex?

[Matt Farah]

Never met the man.

[Brian Scotto]

Oh, really?

[Matt Farah]

No. You. You probably was.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, we were. We were, like, actually, like, pretty friendly because I worked in hip hop for that show.

[Matt Farah]

Was actually rad, though.

[Brian Scotto]

It was a really good car show.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was fun.

[Brian Scotto]

He did a great job. He was a real car guy. Oh, yeah. I think he was one of the, like. I think, like, the same way people look at Leno.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

It's like, oh, you don't just have cars to have them. Like, if you get into a conversation with him, he would sit there and just, like, really, really just, you know, dial in on something.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And, you know, the one I really want to go to is the Rick Ross car show. Did we talk about this last time you were here? I feel like we fucking did.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. But I actually just. On my podcast that drops tomorrow with Hurt, which is yesterday, for when this one comes out, we actually talk about the Rick Ross show because he went because I've never gone. I've only got to see it from the outside.

[Matt Farah]

I gotta go.

[Brian Scotto]

So did Hurt say he thought it could be better? He didn't want to talk badly about it, but he did definitely felt like, you know, he was expecting something different. But he did admit that from, like, Don culture, it's given everybody, like, a reason to build something crazy like that. To me, the way I see it from the outside is, it's like the Goodwood Festival.

[Matt Farah]

Speed for dogs, for docks.

[Brian Scotto]

That's right. Like. Like the guys are building. That's the best marketing campaign.

[Matt Farah]

That's, you know, they like racing up his driveway.

[Brian Scotto]

There's a. There's a Don Hill. If you want to search for the audience watching Bobby Brown Donk. That's those. I think that was either the winner or second place. And, like, this car was. Is really, really downtown Bobby Brown. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Donk.

[Brian Scotto]

I mean, this is, you know, I probably like a half million dollar even more.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

You know, into it.

[Matt Farah]

It's kind of good, but it's up on this, like, mirror stand with the wheels.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. I mean, look at that. It's, like, low. It's low rider culture of, like, the 80s and 90s. 90s now on the Donk level. Yeah, I'm sure.

[Matt Farah]

I'm sure it makes.

[Brian Scotto]

I'm sure it makes, like, 3200 horse, so.

[Matt Farah]

Wow, look at that. Those brakes are all gold. Everything's gold.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

All gold. Everything. Speaking, you know, a ton about wheels. I had a question about wheels the other day. I was driving this Ferrari 812. Can you just grab the picture of that From Instagram, Zach? The 8 the. Not the 812. The new 12C. Okay, so here's the wheel. And so they're doing a Daytona throwback is basically what this car is.

[Brian Scotto]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

And I thought, wouldn't it be fucking sick if you put wires on this? But, like, is there a set of wires that would, like, that would work? That would look right, that would hold up to Ferrari driving? Cause there's a way to fuck up wires for sure. But is there a wire, like if you wanted to throw back barrancakes, wire wheels, could that be done visually effectively on this car?

[Brian Scotto]

I mean, I don't know if I could. I don't know if it would ever be like toof, like approved, but you could definitely, probably get them to fit because wires mount very similar to like a center lock. Center lock, right. Like you have like the hub and then you have like the knockoffs that hold them on.

[Zach Klapman]

I search 22 inch wire. They exist.

[Brian Scotto]

I can't imagine they have the structural integrity that you probably need. But then again, I don't know. I don't know, man. Bicycles use spokes and they lean.

[Matt Farah]

They don't experience lateral GS.

[Brian Scotto]

I did go to school for mechanical engineering, but I don't know this.

[Matt Farah]

I don't think they would. I don't think they would handle it.

[Brian Scotto]

I never got my diploma. There it is. I am diploma less.

[Matt Farah]

No, I think they would collapse under fucking 0.2 lateral GS. But I think it could look cool.

[Brian Scotto]

You should do it just for the vibes. It would be pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

I saw a guy not long ago here in Los Angeles that had a black C8 Corvette on like 15 inch Daytons. And I was mesmerized.

[Brian Scotto]

I live in Long Beach. This is normal weekend stuff you see at Trader Joe's.

[Matt Farah]

Like crazy.

[Brian Scotto]

Long beach has a car culture that is stuck in the 90s. Like, it's not because 90s is cool again. It's like, no, these guys still have the same like old body style, like slammed on wires. Everyone still drives around in G bodies on like wires or on with like, you know, mustard and yellows. Right? Or they've got. It's just like in the amount of like low rider, but also like low rider adjacent culture. So it's not like your classic lowrider. It's like your town car on wires, you know, that is still a normal occurrence. I see more of that. I don't see a lot of supercars in Long beach, but I see a.

[Zach Klapman]

Lot of that because Long beach got super famous in the 90s from Snoop Dogg and whatnot. And they're just like, yes, this is our mother moment. We're holding on to it.

[Brian Scotto]

I think that culturally you just have a large collection of like from Whittier to Long beach, like this still like the Mecca for lowrider culture. I think, like, you still see a lot of that there. And I mean, there's just the crazy thing About Long beach is like, there's just coves of Long beach that are so different.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Like, it's just so. It's such a different. It reminds me of Queens, which is why I enjoy living there, where it's like you could walk 20ft and you're like, in a completely different neighborhood. Completely different, like, aesthetic and all of that. So I think you get that piece of it. But yeah, I mean, I think, you know, I think Long beach is long baked in like lowrider culture and all that. But at the same time. Have you been to the All Makes Meet?

[Zach Klapman]

Mm.

[Matt Farah]

Mm.

[Brian Scotto]

I don't wanna. I'm afraid I'm gonna, like, blow it up. Cause it'll be getting too big. But there's a meet that done there by a coffee shop called Good Time. And it is one of the best naturally curated cars and coffee I've ever been to. Because it's just such a great collection of weird and random stuff. But you've got everything from like, you know, Rob the Crook will show up in his Murcielago on BBS rs, which is like, super cool to see. But yeah, I mean, here you go. Like, you'll just see, like, such a cool collection of like, random stuff. And it's always amazing because it's Long beach. But I think you get this mix of like, people who.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, wait, I have been here.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Yes. I. Sorry, I kind of forgot. I'm sorry. Gibran took me here. I have been here.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, it's very. It's very good. Very fun. But it's interesting because there's a lot of stuff hidden in Long Beach. But at that point, part of the Long beach thing is we don't talk about Long beach because we don't want people from LA to move there.

[Matt Farah]

So, yeah, I'm not. I can't do it. I like it. I very much like Long Beach.

[Brian Scotto]

I loved Venice. I lived here for 10 years, but I had to go. I mean, you lived like five blocks.

[Matt Farah]

I don't live in Venice anymore either.

[Brian Scotto]

I know, yeah, I get it.

[Matt Farah]

I understand. But I like Long beach very much. Whenever I'm in Long Beach, I go. If I didn't have to leave here, I would totally move here. But I have to be in LA a lot, so I can't live down there.

[Brian Scotto]

I will say, coming back here for this, getting off at the 90, like, I forgot how much I love that turn.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

You know the turn I'm talking about, right? 405 north onto the 90 with the bump in the middle, and it's in the S8. And it's like, I knew it. I had never driven in that car, but I knew exactly where it was. It was like, this is a 1010 corner.

[Matt Farah]

So the very first time I took that exit ramp, I'm gonna take it back to 07. My first time in LA as a professional vehicle video maker, right? Emil Rensing picks me up at the airport in his Audi RS4.

[Brian Scotto]

How is Emil doing these days?

[Matt Farah]

I don't know. Don't care. On parole, hopefully don't give a fuck. Picks me up in the RS4, hits the. And for some inexplicable reason, goes down century to the 405 to go to Venice, which nobody fucking would ever do. He did so hits that thing and he points out that bump because there's gonna be a bump in the middle of this, and I'm gonna pass this fucking car on the outside. And did what, in hindsight, would probably be considered fairly reckless driving. But that exit ramp has been seared into my brain ever since. We have this whole area between the 105 and the 90. The 105 fucking cloverleafs are exceptionally good.

[Brian Scotto]

Exceptionally good.

[Matt Farah]

And I don't want to say exactly which entrance ramp is by my house, but the 405 entrance ramp by my house is a half a mile long and only a single lane. And, boy, can you let her rip.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. Yeah, It's. It's. It's interesting because I. During the pandemic, like, you learn a lot of, like, the really good clovers because you're just bored and you want to go drive. But now you know that I'm in. You know, I have the place in North County, San Diego. It's like, I don't need that anymore. You have farm roads? Yeah, I have farm roads. And it's. It's the best thing because I just. I don't even really drive them that fast, but I just drive them enough to have fun in the car.

[Matt Farah]

Going back to visit my folks in Greenwich, like, for. For Thanksgiving, just to pull out of the house and just be on a road that just does this. And everywhere you go, you're just on a road that does this. And I'm like, oh, yeah, this is why people buy cars that handle well for everyday driving. I haven't needed that in so long.

[Brian Scotto]

Do you know Tommy F?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, yeah, he's up there.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. So we were going back and forth from his shop to Lime Rock.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. It was almost as much fun getting to Lime Rock as driving Lime Rock.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Those roads, the roads are just so good. It's like, man, you get to drive that every day. It's really good.

[Matt Farah]

We don't have to stop this show, but I have to pee, so y' all talk amongst yourselves. I've decided that I'm just going to pee when I feel like it.

[Brian Scotto]

That's right. You know, Zach needs his moment, so have your show.

[Zach Klapman]

We can do it without you. Whoops. I chose the wrong cameras.

[Brian Scotto]

Maybe we can't. Maybe we can't. Maybe we can. How have you been, sir?

[Zach Klapman]

I've been good.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Your question about where to, where to freeze the career, was it interesting? Because I think there are parts of my career from like the 2016, 15 when we're making. We're making drive and we're making proving grounds. It was so fun to be on that collaborative effort with a bunch of people and getting to like do adventures and weird. But I wasn't driving as many things. I was like just behind camera and behind permits the whole time and that sucked. So it's like a blend of like, that stuff was great, but right now I'm having more fun in a lot of ways.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, I. For me, there's probably three high water marks or milestone moments. Like there was this like peak moment at zero to 60 where we had just convinced everybody to trust us. So we're like getting invited to drive cool stuff and to do cool things. And from like Audi loaning us cars for like two weeks at a time to just like, you know, just gallivant across Europe in them, that was an amazing era. And it was like felt very DIY and I was in my 20s. It was really rad. Then there was this peak moment at Hoonigan where again we were sort of just DIY trying to build something. There were no rules. We're sort of inventing it as we go. That was really, really fun. And then I have to say, right now I feel like I'm just entering this new thing that I think is really interesting. It took me, I think, two years from leaving Hoonigan to be like, what am I doing? You know, you don't. It's like, it's a weird, it's a weird situation to build this thing for a really long time and then decide to like hit the eject button and go do something completely different and then realize, oh, maybe that's what I wanted to do and kind of come back into it.

[Zach Klapman]

Did you have ideas like either while you're at Hoonigan or right after that, you Just kind of wrote down, you're like, oh, you know, maybe those things. Or was it totally. Were you blank for a while because you were just sapped and you wanted to just take like six months to just look at avocados?

[Brian Scotto]

Good question. So one, I think the one thing everyone just thought I retired, which is so far from the truth, I just went and did something else that just. And I was not vocal about it. So if, you know, it's like, it's the. If a tree falls in the woods, it's like if a YouTube influencer doesn't YouTube, do they even exist anymore?

[Zach Klapman]

YouTuber walks in the woods, but no one's there to see him.

[Brian Scotto]

Right? Yeah. So I got to a point where, where like while I was at Hoonigan, every idea was for Hoonigan. Like, I never thought, I never put something to the side. Like, my life was so invested in building Hoonigan and doing that that if I had an idea, I gave it to Hoonigan. Which when I left Hoonigan, it's like, I don't have any. Like, all the ideas are there, right? Like all this ip, I sort of gave over to them. I then went, worked in animation, novel, automotive for a year during the non compete. And then when I came, you know, I think coming back into it, it was kind of nice because I had this year to like sit there and be like, what do I really want to do? This will be something I will try to say as humbly as possible, but I got Ken, all the people I worked with and all the people I had the luxury to like call mentors. Richard Chang, over the years, all these different people I worked with, they gave me this Chris Harris too, right? Even though Chris Harris, I always joke, I was like, remember when he used to work for me? Yeah. But like, even when Chris works for you, you learn from it, right? He's one of those people. But you know, it was just like master course on doing everything. But I was doing everything and I kind of got just good enough at about everything that I could do a lot of things. So when I came back into automotive a year ago, you know, and I came on this podcast, then I was like, I do. It was literally just like just doing whatever. And I was, I can do this, I can do this. I was like generally good at everything, but I didn't. I didn't actually ever think to myself, do I enjoy doing this? It was like, just cause you can do it doesn't mean you enjoy doing it, right? So it was like, oh, I can consult. I can help with this. I can do that. And like, consulting, is that the thing that's so easy to do when you've got 20 years in the business? Because you're like, yeah, I know how to do this, and I can help you navigate it. But at the end of the day, I wasn't the one doing it anymore. I wasn't the one.

[Matt Farah]

And they don't have to listen to you and you see the end product and you're like, like, oof. Told them not to do that.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah. You're disconnected from it and all of that. So I. I think it gave me this year or two to sit there and go, fuck. What do I really enjoy doing? And actually, the moment, like, that spark moment for me was on Sung Kang's film Drifter this summer. And I was like, oh, this really excites me again. It was. It was brutal. It was a lot of work. It was really difficult. We did which.

[Zach Klapman]

What.

[Matt Farah]

What I mean, make. Was it just being on the set of. Were you. What was your role in the film?

[Brian Scotto]

So I was second unit director, so I did all of the stunt and action work.

[Matt Farah]

Okay, cool.

[Brian Scotto]

And I actually also got to dabble.

[Matt Farah]

Please describe your experience in that.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, you know, it was. Have you.

[Matt Farah]

You've.

[Brian Scotto]

You've had Song on the show before? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I didn't really know Song. He was one of those people. And, like, I'm sure we all have this, like, we all live in Los Angeles. We all belong to this car industry slash community, and there's people that are friends of friends, and. And then you just never meet them.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Brian Scotto]

Like, they're never. And you almost feel like you know them because you're, like, getting tagged in the same stuff together and you're talking about each other on podcasts. Like, I don't actually know this person. Sung decides he wants to make this movie, which was actually originally the initial D project that he was working on. And he said, you know, I really want the gymkhana. Look, someone was like.

[Matt Farah]

He's like.

[Brian Scotto]

And I've talked to a few people and they said that, you know, they can create that. Chris Marion, who's a mutual friend, said, why don't you just call Scotto? Like, I'm sure he'd be happy to help. So that's what connected us. Obviously, that project didn't go forward. And then he decided he wanted to make his own film, which is Drifter. And I was kind of bummed when that happened.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, I'm sure Drifter is going to be awesome. But I was stoked to see his interpretation of initial D if that was going to happen.

[Brian Scotto]

I mean, a live action of that I think is still something that hopefully one day get gets made. But anyway, he brought me in and said, hey, we want to do all this. It was a low budget film, which meant that it was really grueling. But it also meant that I got to do a lot, which I enjoy. I enjoy just being able to kind of get into the stuff that normally I wouldn't have to because there'd be someone else there to do it. And I got to not only direct the action and help sort of concept a lot of those scenes and how the driving was gonna be and even bring in the drivers and the cars and all that. But I got to also direct a couple narrative moments. Got to work with Pumphrey, which was cool because I don't know how well you guys know James, but a little bit I didn't know him well at all because literally he worked for. I wouldn't say Donut and Hooligan were competitors, but they were. We were both big at the same time in the same space. We made different type of content, you know, for a long time. So we never really, like we're in the same place at the same time. But everyone, I think, just assumes you know each other.

[Matt Farah]

That's exactly the same. I've been in the same room with that guy like two or three times maybe. But like, I'm. We're friendly and everything, but like, everyone assumes that we know each other well and we don't.

[Brian Scotto]

So the interesting thing, I think he's actually a very good actor. It was really fun to work with him. And he's. He ends up playing a completely different, like, personality than I think what people were used to, to see him on Donut or now Speed. But it was fun to do that and it was brutal. We shot in Barstow and Lancaster. Name two places that you would rather not spend time in. August.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. Oh, God.

[Matt Farah]

Right?

[Brian Scotto]

I mean, there's like the worst place. It was just miserable every day and working 15 hour days. And I just loved every minute of it. And it just brought back that. Because when you stepped out, Take a Leak, we were talking about like, he brought back the conversation of like, that can you freeze a moment in your era, in your career? And I was just naming the kind of the milestones. And for me, that was this moment where I was like, man, this is that energy I haven't felt in a long time. Like that get up, alarm clock goes off and you wake up because you want to start your day right.

[Matt Farah]

Like, directing action sequences and films is pretty sweet.

[Brian Scotto]

It's pretty sweet. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Pretty sweet, man.

[Brian Scotto]

And it was also this long, you know, it was this long sort of goal for Ken and I. Ken never watched Fast and Furious. Not a single one. Because he said he had no interest in watching a film where he clearly knew the driving was fake. He just had no interest.

[Matt Farah]

That's pretty funny. Yeah, I understand it.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. It just. He just was like, it just doesn't work. I have a. My barber is a. We used to be a cop. And he's like, I don't watch cop shows. Cuz it's just too fake to me. Like, that's not how police work is done.

[Zach Klapman]

And then if you're not. And if you're not watching Fast and Furious for like the cars and the driving, which is. I mean, that got me into it when I was younger. Well, then you're not really watching it for most of the act or the strip.

[Matt Farah]

The plot.

[Brian Scotto]

At that point, you should just watch anything Jason Statham makes other than watch. Watch.

[Matt Farah]

The transport is pretty fairly legit. More legit. But like, I've been like, people have asked about F1, the movie, and I don't love it.

[Brian Scotto]

Okay.

[Matt Farah]

Same kind of reason. I just like.

[Brian Scotto]

Are you a big F1 fan?

[Matt Farah]

No. I mean, I'm like a casual racing fan, but like, I don't care that much about Formula one, but like a fucking Joseph Kaczynski movie about Formula one, like, you know, okay. But like, I had problems. I had problems with it.

[Brian Scotto]

So I feel like for some reason I've got giving this movie a pass because I think it's a great movie. I think it fills this, like, big movie feel. I know that it does a lot of things that are sort of outside of the reality of open wheel and Formula one racing and how things work. I think that the action, like photography in it is okay. It feels like broadcast, but that's okay. I think that's acceptable. Like, they didn't need to reinvent the wheel for it. I really like Brad Pitt. I just enjoy a good Brad Pitt film. I think it's so served its purpose.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah, it was a good sports movie. It's a good sports movie, but with F1 as the sport. And I watch F1. Like I watch it with my wife every week. I'm not a super fan, but I'm. I mean, I pay attention.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

And I knew that, like, the driving was a Little whatever. And some of the moves, like, they had to do a lot of. They did a great job of exposition to casual fans, casual viewers of, like, this rule works because, I mean, they had a lot of different, like, balls they had to juggle. But I came out of it going, that was fun. There were a lot of really good jokes. The action was pretty good. I thought it was a solid.

[Brian Scotto]

If they made a movie that services the Reddit F1, you know, no one would have watched it except for those guys.

[Matt Farah]

And I'm not. And my criticisms with it are not with the nuanced differences from fucking racing. They're with, like, much bigger fucking stuff. Like the fact that entire scenes are lifted wholesale from either Days of. Of Thunder or Top Maverick and then just rearranged back and forth. The guy living in the van turns down a $50,000 watch as a prize and says, I've already got a watch, and it's the watch sponsor that's paid for the movie. And, you know, these type of things.

[Brian Scotto]

Have you watched movies before?

[Matt Farah]

Listen, man, I don't have to like that. I don't have to like it. I just thought I was in the.

[Brian Scotto]

Second chapter of Save the Cat. They're basically like, every movie's been made before. Just make it different.

[Zach Klapman]

If you make. If you make a baseball in the field of corn, ghosts are not showing up.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, Point Break. Yeah, the first one, same movie.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

I enjoy them both. I like Point Break better. Big shout out.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, look, I like Days of Thunder. Like, I like Days.

[Brian Scotto]

You decided that there's going to be, like, a days of thunder F1 crossover.

[Matt Farah]

It's gonna be you. You. They're just gonna pick two, Two and cross them, Right? Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Did you. I mean, people were doing.

[Matt Farah]

I was just.

[Brian Scotto]

They were doing shot lifts where they were showing, like, scenes where he, like, throws her up against the wall, like, to kiss her or whatever. It's the exact same.

[Matt Farah]

No, that's what I'm saying. They were literally shots and scenes wholesale lifted from other movies.

[Brian Scotto]

Are they lifted or are they homages?

[Matt Farah]

Oh, bro, I don't know.

[Brian Scotto]

I asked because, like, there are shots in. In the gymkhana film that are homage to things I've done with Ken.

[Matt Farah]

You can't homage yourself. Let me just say. You cannot homage.

[Brian Scotto]

That's a RA reference.

[Matt Farah]

You know, Kaczynski, as good as he is, cannot. You can't homage Top Gun Maverick in your racing movie. Sorry.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, all right.

[Zach Klapman]

I think it's a good point, but I think the pressing, you know, girl, up against the wall is like a cliched shot that probably long before.

[Matt Farah]

No, but there's like a dozen shots that are from these movies.

[Brian Scotto]

Someone did a reel, and it's like, yeah, boom, boom, boom, boom. It's Days of Thunder. It's like, yeah, A lot are stolen.

[Matt Farah]

Directly from one of those two movies. Movies directly. And I was with Tommy Kendall, and I love Days of Thunder, by the way. I was with Tommy last weekend, who I love.

[Brian Scotto]

Is he still driving his chicken car?

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah. We. We won this together last weekend. I'm so excited for this for us. He won his first race in 11 years with that trophy. But he. We were talking about this at dinner, and I was. And he was talking about Days of Thunder because he was a big name a day. He talked. He was talking. He was hanging out with Tom Cruise when they were making Days of Thunder. He was, like, helping with that shit. And I was like, what do you think is the most realistic part of Days of Thunder?

[Brian Scotto]

And he says, the part where they're.

[Matt Farah]

Racing the rental cars is fucking spot on. Everything else is bullshit. Love it.

[Brian Scotto]

Sounds about right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

But back to that point, Ken and I always had this thought of, like, it would be really cool to influence car chases and. And action stuff in car movies to make it feel more real. Right? Like, why not? Like, they actually have the budgets to go do this stuff. How is it that we do it in these, like, little Internet films, right? But they can't do it in some of these bigger pictures? And they go, you know, now it's all CG or it's just sort of like these faked moments that don't feel practical anymore and. And all that. So getting a chance to. To dabble in that with Sung was really cool. I've got another project I can't talk about the. For that's coming up in 26, that hopefully I get to do that again. I'm, like, started writing scripts and screenplays on some ideas, and, you know, it's weird.

[Matt Farah]

I.

[Brian Scotto]

It's like I woke up one day, I was like, yeah, this is what I always wanted to do. I might as well go do it and, like, make car movies. You go, do, you know, go make a throw at it for two years. And, hey, maybe it won't work, and maybe it doesn't ever deliver for me, but I don't know. I feel like there's. I feel like there's this want right now where people want things to feel real again. Like, I think AI has really, like, the AI slop Has really brought an audience to say, I either want this to be tangible or I want to know that this happened. Like, so, for example, you guys probably know about, like, the Apple opening logo. Have you guys seen that? So Apple just redid their opening logo for Apple tv.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, okay.

[Brian Scotto]

And they shot it practically. It's pieces of glass that they actually shot this whole thing. And it's like. So if you're watching, like, parts or anything like that, like, that's the new logo that comes up. And it kind of became this, like, mini viral moment in sort of probably the design world of like, hey, we went and actually really did this. And, like, really doing it. It's cool. Look, I. You know, I don't want to speak badly of Tom Cruise because maybe one day I get to work with him. But, like, Tom Cruise is an interesting person. What's really interesting about him is that he's at the age he's at and he still tries to.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, for sure.

[Brian Scotto]

That for me, means makes Mission impossible.

[Matt Farah]

He fucking bought the whole franchise. Just so.

[Brian Scotto]

It makes me want enjoy the movies more. I don't know what. Knowing that he did this makes me enjoy the movie more. It feels like it comes across. And while he may have the exact same performance over and you could say whatever you want, his acting, he brings something to those films. When I'm watching the biplanes do that and I see him, I'm like, I know he's probably really doing that. I don't know what it is. It brings me in it more. But for car action, the minute we go into car action, I watch something and I'm like, they cut there to do that. And that's not real. I can tell that what's happening outside the windows at a different speed, all these little things. And I'm obviously super attuned to those things, but I think just in general, people realize that it's not real.

[Zach Klapman]

I think subconsciously they do. And I'm sure movies have. They have a budget, right? They have a budget of time, and they have a budget of money of how much time can we put into this car chase versus the bank heist scene versus the romance scene or whatever. So they go, well, is this a car movie? Or how important is the car element to this film? Like, what was the movie with Kevin Spacey and the kid? Baby driver.

[Brian Scotto]

Baby driver. Fantastic.

[Zach Klapman]

Fantastic. Because they. They were like, this is pretty much a car movie with or like, half.

[Brian Scotto]

I'll tell you this. I can't tell you how it ends, but I could probably go Scene for scene on how it starts.

[Zach Klapman]

Totally agree.

[Brian Scotto]

Because I thought that the car stuff really stood out. Edgar Wright, I think, is great at what he does. I think that that whole scene was fantastic. I've worked with the. With the stunt coordinator who did that and who did the driving. And that is the one real exception to me of, like, okay, this is good like this. Like, I watch this, and it gets me really excited. But for me, and the reason I own the car I came here today in my D2S8 is because the movie Ronin was that for me as a kid, like, that was just. It felt it was practical. Frank Kammer wanted to do this, and I think we've. We've had this conversation.

[Zach Klapman]

All you do is practical. Pretty much, no.

[Brian Scotto]

But they were starting to shift off.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, Jurassic park was. Was the first, like, sort of believable CG, and that was 92, but it.

[Zach Klapman]

Was a lot less dynamic. You know, those are like the drip side still and move.

[Brian Scotto]

But there's also just the. There's the CG side of it. Like, put a car in a volume, create an entire background. There's a video out there where there's a car in the volume. It's not moving. And they make it look like it falls down a cliff, right? And the volume is in element LCD screen that wraps the car. So you can create this world. And you watch it and you're like, yeah, it actually kind of feels like a car's going down. You do realize it's fake, but it's sort of there. But back in the day, they kind of created this language of camera work where it's like, tight shot this, that. Where it's, like, abstract, so you never get to feel it. You just see this. And I keep joking that I want to cut a football game this way and see if people enjoy it, because you'd be like, that's not fun. That's like a sizzle for I'm about to watch the jets get demolished.

[Matt Farah]

Right.

[Brian Scotto]

That's like the sizzle for that. But, like, watching the jets fumble in a. You know, where you see the whole story is the storytelling. And I think that a lot of people have lost storytelling in car chases. They just go for hype reel.

[Zach Klapman]

Totally agree.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

So anyway, I would love to fix that. That's what I want to try to push into. So, yeah, I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

We'll see, like, cliche with the Italian Job.

[Brian Scotto]

Like the market.

[Matt Farah]

Mark Wahlberg one. Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. They do a pretty good job, I.

[Matt Farah]

Think that has wide Shots where you can see more of what's going on and you. The car's more in like a context born.

[Brian Scotto]

I think the. Some of the Bourne series has some good. Has some good moments in it. Mission Impossible has some moments. The Bond series has some moments. Yeah. But there's also just. I think we're moving further and further away. We're all talking about movies that maybe feel newer to us but have been out for a decade. Decades. So. Yeah. So anyway, that. That's like. That would be a cool thing to go do. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I don't know.

[Brian Scotto]

Otherwise, you know, it's like, it's. I just really enjoy that. I enjoy the storytelling side of it. That's cool.

[Zach Klapman]

So you seem like you got the ingredients, the skill set and stuff. That makes a lot of sense.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, we'll see. If not agent for that.

[Matt Farah]

Are you just hoping someone calls you and asks you to do that gig?

[Brian Scotto]

Right now? I'm hoping that someone's listening to this podcast. Podcast, and they give me a shout. No, I don't have an agent yet. Obviously, the Sung thing kind of came through word of mouth and doing that. And then another job came out of word of mouth of doing that. And I really feel like January and February, my plans to kind of get my ducks in a row and kind of go have those conversations with the right people, you know, I don't know. I don't know how much you've dealt with Hollywood stuff, but it's. It's an interesting space. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Minimally.

[Brian Scotto]

You obviously have.

[Matt Farah]

Didn't have the look.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, I'm happy to be behind camera. I lie. I enjoy. I enjoy that place. But yeah, I don't know. It's a. It's an interesting world. It's. A lot of people have been like, you're running in a door that people are running out of right now. Right.

[Matt Farah]

Like, sure.

[Brian Scotto]

But at the same time, like, I feel like I've done that before, so.

[Matt Farah]

I mean. Yeah, but also, like, as opposed to What? Running into YouTube, it's like same. Same fucking story there, man. Like, you know, don't tell you about YouTube, but, like, it's not great over there.

[Brian Scotto]

No, no. YouTube was, I mean, great and was amazing for years and I think gave shit everyone who's sitting at this table a career on some levels. But it's at. It's at a weird moment now, and it's definitely super saturated and I think it's created a lot of opportunity for. For a new audience that's coming in now. But it. You get to A growth moment where you're like, how do I keep making this work? Like, how does it.

[Zach Klapman]

This.

[Brian Scotto]

How does this keep going? Which is. I don't know, it's interesting of where people go from there. So I've had this conversation with multiple people. It's like, okay, you've done this, You've done this. Now you're on year five. Like, you have diminishing returns on everything you upload, you make. Like, all of it's not working, but.

[Matt Farah]

Westside Collector Car storage.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, no, right.

[Matt Farah]

Two locations in Los Angeles.

[Brian Scotto]

Look, the business model that I think where Hoonigan made the mistake was when the content was doing so well. We put all the chips in on content, not realizing that it was the other pieces of the business that would keep us afloat during bad times. Apparel business, event business, all of that. But I think you look at the younger YouTubers and they're maybe not even that young anymore, but the Adam LZs, the Cletuses, the Westins, these guys have multiple business models. They have 19 verticals to keep. Like, they've got product, but they have an event. They've got a pay per view side of it. They're doing all these different things because the one thing isn't enough. Yeah, right. And like there's so much on YouTube that like, you can find something that's like very specific to your liking. It's like, hey, you're really into, you know, Audi D8. You know, Audi D2S8. It's like there's guys who just. That's all they do. It's all they make. Right. And so I think it's a, it's an interesting world. But also no one, I think has figured out really how to cross, especially in automotive space, like how to cross over. Because even outside of all the throttle.

[Matt Farah]

House guys do with, with tv.

[Brian Scotto]

What do you think? What do you think about that? Do you know those guys?

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, they're lovely.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, they're.

[Matt Farah]

And they're smart. I don't know the third guy at all.

[Brian Scotto]

He's like the train.

[Matt Farah]

The train guy.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And apparently he's not actually that weird. And that's kind of a sort of a shtick, right? I mean, it's real, but at least. But it's an exaggerated.

[Brian Scotto]

Right, Right.

[Matt Farah]

But like. All right, but. But that's his. But that's the thing I know about him.

[Brian Scotto]

No, like, his POV is always that like GoPro head. Now, like, is that really, really fucking.

[Matt Farah]

Wide angle, like, strange looking.

[Brian Scotto]

But when they announced the grand, the grand tour, you know that the three amigos were leaving. A bunch of people were like, man, you, Vinny and Ron should go do it. And, like, after being friends with Chris Harris, I was like, I want nothing to do. Yeah. With being anywhere near anything those guys have touched.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Like, you do not want to follow them in on anything. Like, that is just not a place you want to know.

[Matt Farah]

Exactly.

[Brian Scotto]

They have Mandingo power when it comes to. When it comes to content.

[Matt Farah]

Like, so funny.

[Brian Scotto]

It's like they are. They are on a whole other level. And I've gotten to watch those men work around in a writer's room. And you're like, yep, this is why you're good at it, because they have real chemistry. They really know what they're doing and it works. And they have good people around them, too. But, yeah, it's scary to kind of follow that. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

No, I mean, Harris is, like, as good as it gets when it comes to doing that thing and still an impossible task.

[Brian Scotto]

I mean, Harris is, like, sort of the full package and obviously a friend. Big him up. But, like, he drives better than all of us.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, he's so.

[Matt Farah]

And he drives better than all of them.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, he's. He's fast. He's proper fast. Like, he's not journal, like you and I were journalists fast.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. No, he's fast. He's race car driver fast.

[Brian Scotto]

He's a race car driver fast.

[Matt Farah]

And he's also, like, Formula D sideways.

[Brian Scotto]

Right, Right. So he can also slide a car with the best of them, and he can, like, articulate and say all this great stuff while doing it in, like, this great way, which is fantastic. And he's smart.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

And I don't think you often get.

[Matt Farah]

That, but it's still an impossible task to take over the show. A show with the name Top Gear. Like, nobody can do it if they were smart.

[Brian Scotto]

I think you start a whole new. And it's, like, brought to you by Top Gear. Yeah, it's the ballerina of John Wick.

[Zach Klapman]

I think they also just trying to relaunch it. They were stuck because it's like the runways got shorter for media now. You know, like, top your head. I mean, what. It was on for, like, 10 years before the 2000s when it started to hit viral status.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. They. They had the privilege of just being the BBC too. Like, quiet television giving them time.

[Zach Klapman]

Like, if it's not getting record views or record, you know, know, response really quick, they shudder it. I thought Harris and Matt LeBlanc and Roy Reed were, like, so Strong together. And if they just let the audience kind of, you know, accept that the baton had been passed and then just judge those guys on, like, their actual merit, I think it probably could have, you know, turned the corner and gone back up. But everyone was just like, nope, it's gotta just do it real quick.

[Matt Farah]

No, those guys made a good show. Like, they did make a good show. It's just like you. How do you crawl out from that shadow? Like, just like not fucking possible.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

And they are also, you know, it's a chemistry show. And the original cast had years to develop that chemistry. Right. Like they were able to develop and they kind of knew each other from. From the journalist runs a little bit anyway, they. They built on it. So. Yeah, I don't know. Do you think it. Do you think a show like that can exist anymore? Or do you think we're past that? Like, I want that show. I want another one of those shows. But we all know that if that show comes out, everyone's gonna talk shit on it.

[Zach Klapman]

Like, I think the only thing it can offer that you can't truly find on YouTube these days is like the big landscape, you know, adventure across a country that's shot perfectly because people can go do like the Mongolian rally themselves. And there's plenty of videos on YouTube of people doing it, but it'll be shot on like a drone and some GoPros and whatever. But. And you can get the car review content, Kamisa or throttle House. Like a number of people do the high level riding and pretty strong shooting and capture of those moments. Moments and like the action. But you don't get the big scape stuff or like, you know, building their own RVs like they did on Top Gear that they drove down the road. Like, you don't get those big stunts and things. Yeah, with the refined jokes and the refined writing. But that, I don't think that's easy to find.

[Brian Scotto]

But that's the stuff I love. Right.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, I mean that.

[Brian Scotto]

And I actually think that right now, whether it's the algorithm or whatever it is like YouTube is crushing. Saying the creative curve. Right. The more formulaic it is, the better even. We were talking earlier about the cadence of a podcast. I have this other show idea that I want to do because it's a solid one hour and I just know it'll do better. It's formulaic. You're going to get the same thing every time. It's going to have a payoff at the end. And I just know from everything I know from YouTube that that will work better, but it then will be limited because it'll always just be that show. And that's what YouTube wants. YouTube wants you to uplo exact same.

[Matt Farah]

Thing, do the same thing seven days a week, whatever.

[Brian Scotto]

And then the more people who make stuff like that, the more that you end up in the same sort of delivery or feed group as them. And now they know how to what your audience looks like, and it becomes more understandable for them. The three of us right now, we sat there and we said, let's put together the crack team of people to go create an amazing adventure. And we put a ton of money behind it, and we went and did it. There's a chance it fails on YouTube, which is crazy because it's. It could be very good, but it just doesn't fit in anymore.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

What made YouTube amazing when you guys had the success with Drive, when I had the success of the original gymkhana films with Ken, and then later on, even some of the success with Hoonigan, was that it was still the wild, wild west. You could make anything, and if it was good, it would kind of float to the top.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. And also the world wasn't streaming everything anyway, like on Apple TV. Like the YouTube app and the Netflix app are like, not that different.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And they both feed you shit, like, in the same way.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

And so. But 15 years ago, like, Netflix was fucking DVDs in the mail, bro. Like, it wasn't streaming like that. So. So, like, they were distinctly different things. And now they're kind of like the same thing.

[Brian Scotto]

But I would kill for another really good adventure show. Like, I think automotive adventure stuff. Like, I don't know if I need an another car review show. Right. I think to me, there's enough stuff out there that's servicing well on YouTube that delivers that. But the adventure thing is where the production costs and being able to tell that. Right. I mean, you looked at some of the later grand tour, when they were only doing those travel pieces, they abandoned the studio.

[Matt Farah]

I would get.

[Brian Scotto]

It would be exciting when one would come up and one, it's like feature length. And it's like there was still something that was really, really enjoyable to go sit down and watch. And I didn't watch the rest of what they did with that, but I would still watch those. And the last one, I think was probably a little bit too scripted.

[Matt Farah]

The last one was very forced.

[Brian Scotto]

It felt like they didn't want to be there. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, the one.

[Brian Scotto]

Whatever it was. I don't. Whatever the last One across the desert.

[Matt Farah]

No, the very, very last one I thought was really good. The one before that was the winter one where it was super scripted.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah. Where they crash in the tunnel. Yes.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

That one felt was hokey. Although James really did hurt himself.

[Brian Scotto]

I'm sure he did.

[Matt Farah]

But the one for the road, the very last one in Botswana was beautiful. That was really good.

[Brian Scotto]

Where they go back to, like, the original location, they find that.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, that was really beautiful.

[Brian Scotto]

That was fantastic. And like, I would love for more of that programming, and I just don't think that YouTube is the platform for that. I don't think it's. It's not worth the investment for what you're gonna get out of it. Like, the formula is what works on YouTube. Make that for them.

[Matt Farah]

Well, dude, this is. Cause like, you and I and people our age, when it was television or even cable television, if you liked a show, Seinfeld, whatever the fuck, you'd watch the new episode of Seinfeld. You wouldn't see on the guide, it would say, seinfeld, the Chinese restaurant, and you would go, well, I don't like Chinese food, so I'm not gonna watch this episode of Seinfeld.

[Brian Scotto]

I don't like that thumbnail. I'm not clicking it exactly.

[Matt Farah]

But YouTube has that problem where they don't. It's not like, hey, guys, this is the fucking movie from this thing. This is like a real big. It's just. It's positioned right next to guy reacts to fucking Trump saying something shitty, you know, or whatever.

[Zach Klapman]

That's the other problem is that while you're watching a YouTube video, unless you go full theater mode, you're being offered other things. So if there's a lull in that, in, like, in the show you're watching, a lot of people's brains will go, okay, what's over here? Like, what shiny thing? So I like the grand tour and shows like that because you have to go to Amazon, you put it on, and I don't think it's showing you other thumbnails next to the thing.

[Brian Scotto]

You're watching another thing too. And look, I realize I created. Started this problem, but there's something about not seeing the view count next to something, because I'll see something. And part of what will make me decide whether I'm going to want to watch it is how long ago was it uploaded and what are the views? Because if it doesn't have enough views, I'm like, oh, I guess it's not good. And that's not actually true.

[Matt Farah]

Not at all.

[Brian Scotto]

I have definitely.

[Matt Farah]

It watched.

[Brian Scotto]

Watch things that have 7,000 views. And I'm like, this is really good. Why isn't anyone watching this? Like, it just didn't. It just didn't break through. That's sort of. You still get that on Amazon. Like, you can watch something and you're not. Like, you're not pre judging it or biased to it because you're like, oh, this hasn't done well. Where on the flip side, there are things you're like, oh, that has 10 million views. I guess I have to watch it. And you're like, oh, it's just a really good thumbnail sometimes.

[Zach Klapman]

The empty restaurant is amazing.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

People don't know it goes.

[Matt Farah]

It does go both directions. Right? It is the great equalizer for both ways.

[Brian Scotto]

It's both great and bad all at the same time. Which is, you know, true. I guess I just like.

[Matt Farah]

Well, podcasting is less algorithmic than that. If someone subscribes to your show on whatever Apple podcasts or whatever, the fuck, they get it. It's not just like, hey, by the way, you haven't listened to this in a couple weeks. But like, here's a bunch of things that are like, kind of like that but not act not the one, you know, anyway.

[Brian Scotto]

But at the same time, getting traction. Podcast podcasting, I think is really difficult. Like, you guys probably forget because you were there.

[Matt Farah]

No, for sure.

[Brian Scotto]

But I look at what the viewership is on YouTube and what the actual downloads are, and it's like, man, if I would have. Only if I didn't have YouTube like this, you know, very few people would have listened to this. Right? And. But then the second episode comes out. You're like, oh, they're all here again. Because they're already getting it because they've got it in their app and it's set to download. But, like, you know, there's a nice side to the algorithm. It helps you find it.

[Matt Farah]

Years, man. A couple years to fucking, really, really do it.

[Brian Scotto]

It's.

[Matt Farah]

It was a slog.

[Brian Scotto]

Are you guys still number one? Are you, like, fighting with other people?

[Matt Farah]

It depends on the day of the week. Like, the ranking is, like, real time. So, like, if we put up an episode, like, six hours later, we're number one, and then like three days later, we're down to number five. And whoever put up an episode that day could be number one.

[Brian Scotto]

Right, Right.

[Matt Farah]

So, like, it's, you know, we're. We're up there, there.

[Brian Scotto]

How many years is it now?

[Zach Klapman]

We started in 2012. January.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Wow. Yeah. 13.

[Brian Scotto]

You guys were, like, really, really early to it. Is it crazy now where you're like, all these other shitheads are doing podcasts? You're like, we were the fucking originators.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, it's nice that, like, we have been here long enough that we don't have to think about how to grow a podcast now.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

I mean, that's nice. But, like. Yeah, I mean, it's. It's. This is a great thing to be doing for a living, so I'm glad it's still working. Unlike YouTube, which is not so, like, we could keep doing this. This is fine.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, this is.

[Matt Farah]

This is. All right, I'm down.

[Brian Scotto]

Do you consume podcasts?

[Matt Farah]

Yes, but not ones about cars.

[Brian Scotto]

Me neither.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Comedy history. I listen to podcasts about terrible people. Behind the bastards.

[Brian Scotto]

Same thing.

[Matt Farah]

Dollop.

[Brian Scotto]

Yep, yep, yep. I listen to. I used to listen to a lot of true crime. That's kind of like what got me in. I definitely came with the. The serial bunch. Like, Sure. I entered podcasting for the original serial. That's what got me in. I listened to political stuff, which I shouldn't. I actually stopped. I realized at a certain point, I. I was like. And I've replaced that with listening to podcasts about movies. It's like, the rewatchables is fantastic.

[Matt Farah]

That's a good one.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. Yeah. What went wrong is another really good one.

[Matt Farah]

That's a good one.

[Brian Scotto]

And then. And then I had, like, business podcasts and things like that. Like, Guy Raz is like, how I built this is like a forever standard. Like, works. Yeah. But I. Podcast is probably, like, 90 of my content intake. I just don't have time to.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, but you're in the car a lot and.

[Brian Scotto]

In the car a lot. Or I just, like, I'm gonna work on my car and just throw the AirPods and listen to a podcast.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

So. Which is. I realize I'm now, like, listening to talk radio. Like, okay. Because I remember, like, walking in my, like, friend dad's house, and he'd be like, listen and do this in a talk radio. No, he'd actually listen to car talk. Oh.

[Matt Farah]

All right.

[Brian Scotto]

The weird thing is, is he wasn't even into cars, but he would just listen to car talk because he just enjoyed the stories. Yeah. Like, there's a lot of people like.

[Matt Farah]

That that really liked car talk, even though they just didn't know the first thing about cars.

[Brian Scotto]

It was entertaining.

[Zach Klapman]

It was. And it always sounded so friend. Like, those guys sounded so helpful to anyone. You know, you could walk up and be like, my dog is limping. And they probably know how to fix it and they'd help. That's a vibe. It was just chicken soup.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. I mean, those guys are really the OGs. Oh, yeah, yeah. They paved, you know, they walked or they crawled so we could run kind of thing.

[Zach Klapman]

They had the, they had the number one car podcast for a long time because their catalog got uploaded and they had, you know, 50,000 episodes and they were popular and, you know, they just dunked on everybody.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. It took the pandemic for them to finally get.

[Brian Scotto]

You guys are looking at your numbers. You're like a ghost in the machine is beating us.

[Matt Farah]

We could never be number one for years.

[Zach Klapman]

Remember VOD cars? Like, they uploaded everything to podcast platform, so they for years were number one because they had so much content and they just, for whatever reason, the algorithm went, oh, you have a new thing every single day and it's about cars and there's audio, so you're number one. There was. Wasn't a podcast weird.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Gaming the systems. Gaming the system.

[Brian Scotto]

I feel like I need to have you guys on my podcast, but it's probably weird because, like, we're going to have the same conversation just on a different channel. But I'll bring you on for one. One of the more structured show ideas.

[Matt Farah]

Sure. Yeah, that's better.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got it. I've got one that's like a. It's like creating a list show. Okay. It's called Firing Order and the group that keeps coming in is called the rotating assembly.

[Matt Farah]

That's pretty good.

[Brian Scotto]

As a, as a writer, you know what you're doing. I enjoyed that one. And the, the idea is, is we walk in with a question and we leave with a list. So we have to. We have to get it.

[Matt Farah]

So if you listen to the first.

[Brian Scotto]

Episode, we did a load cylinder heads.

[Matt Farah]

Just me and my cylinder heads.

[Brian Scotto]

We could stop with rotating assembly and just move on from there.

[Zach Klapman]

Somewhere in your house there's a paper with like 50 other names crossed out. So you went through all of them? I guess.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. I am so into a good name that I will think of a name and then build an idea around it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Right. Where I'm like, rotating assembly is like really good.

[Matt Farah]

It says like, it's a full on two word double entendre. Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

And the idea there is like, hey, I'm gonna bring in these three people and we're gonna go through like these couple of topics. This is the rotating assembly for this season and we're gonna talk about a bunch of stuff and it could be something as simple as, like, you know, greatest, greatest, you know, three canyon cars for under ten grand. Greatest Formula one driver of all time. Like you could kind of create whatever greatest action scene in a movie. You know, you could. It's anything and then it's. You just have to fight about it.

[Matt Farah]

This sounds like a show I was just on called Zach Clapman's Driver's Test.

[Zach Klapman]

Thank you for the plug.

[Brian Scotto]

Nice, nice, nice.

[Zach Klapman]

That's very nice.

[Brian Scotto]

I haven't actually. I've gotten. This is one of those things where I see it on the grams and I'm like, I gotta like put it in a bookmark to watch.

[Zach Klapman]

It'll be that show where it has 7,000 views. You're like, oh, this is kind of good.

[Brian Scotto]

You know, that's.

[Zach Klapman]

That's why I'm having a lot of fun doing it.

[Brian Scotto]

I seen you have like Lieberman on.

[Zach Klapman]

I had him. Lieberman, Musto and Misha Mansour.

[Brian Scotto]

You had Larry Chen.

[Zach Klapman]

We did Larry Chen with Corey Burns and Glucker and Vinnie Russo, Lynn Woodward, Mike Danger against Emmy hall and Matt Hardigry. And first one was Alana Cher.

[Brian Scotto]

And you guys do like, it's like, it's like game showy in a way.

[Zach Klapman]

Do you know dropout TV at all or do you ever watch any British panel shows which are just excuses for comedians to sit and like make fun of each other? Okay, yeah, so I was watching that and like these game shows that are very improv based. And I went, oh, that'd be fun for car stuff. So there's some questions that have real answers. Two thirds of the questions is like, just argue your opinion and make it funny. And then. And I give out how many points I decide you're worth, basically. Oh, nice. So it's just people are arguing arbitrary.

[Brian Scotto]

Points are the best thing ever. Hoonigan was big on arbitrary points and ridiculous numbers. Like, that's 1.6 million points moving forward. Okay. You get three points. You're like, how am I gonna catch up? Don't worry. There's the super round.

[Matt Farah]

That's literally how all reality game shows are done, by the way.

[Brian Scotto]

Just enjoy it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, it was fun and made up. I won a lot of made up points.

[Zach Klapman]

Yep.

[Brian Scotto]

Great. Did you want anything else?

[Matt Farah]

Most of my points were made up points.

[Zach Klapman]

You want a lot of Starburst?

[Matt Farah]

I won about 17 Starburst, Pink and red and it was fucking great evening. Great evening.

[Zach Klapman]

It's a good time?

[Brian Scotto]

Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

[Matt Farah]

What else?

[Brian Scotto]

What Else is new for you boys. Nothing.

[Matt Farah]

When you get to that point, that's when you end the show.

[Brian Scotto]

Oh, we're done.

[Matt Farah]

Well, when you say what else are.

[Brian Scotto]

We going to the question when you say what else? I can talk for hours. I know you can, but it doesn't mean we have to mean we have to. And like the records. The record. Where are we at right now? On time?

[Matt Farah]

Two hours.

[Zach Klapman]

2:11.

[Brian Scotto]

Shit, I thought we were only like an hour. This is the problem because I have.

[Matt Farah]

Two hours and 11 minutes.

[Brian Scotto]

You have ADHD. Have we talked about this before?

[Zach Klapman]

I do.

[Brian Scotto]

You do?

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. So.

[Brian Scotto]

And I've spent like I could do a whole podcast there's on ADHD now because I've like, I decided I was going to just really educate myself about neurodivergence and like really dive into it and like better understand it. And I didn't want to medicate myself so I wanted to like, figure out out other ways to like deal with it. And one of the things is that people with ADHD do not have the concept of time. And the best way to explain it is there's only two things. There's now and not now. Yeah, like you want me to do something right now, I can do it. Yeah. Not now could be in five minutes or in five years from now. My coupe Quattro unfortunately lives in not now.

[Matt Farah]

I think you've just described Vinnie Russo also.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, 100%. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Vinny.

[Brian Scotto]

Vinny and I's conversations are all over the place.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah, Vinny has those two speeds now and well, maybe eventually, but probably not.

[Zach Klapman]

He also has it.

[Matt Farah]

Let's see. Go to the Patreon. We're gonna do just a few and I'm gonna pick which ones they are from the Patreon and you can get in the action by joining patreon.com the Smokingtirepodcast. You can ask questions for the show, watch the livestream, get the show early, get more show, get the show without pads and all these other things. Metallica's in your oil pan says if you were to go back and start hoonigan with the knowledge you have today, would you do anything different or do it all the same? That's a good question.

[Brian Scotto]

It's a good one. I'm like now two years removed from leaving and I think I was a bit more sour about things when I left. But now that time has passed, it's just like any kind of relationship. If you're a good person, you remember the good moments. So like, man, we had a really, really Good time. Like, it was great. We learned a lot of stuff. So I would be afraid to adjust any of that and have this butterfly effect that all of a sudden it doesn't become the same thing. But if I was to do it over again and have more control in the way I did it my own way, I think that the reality is, like, we had to realize that once we started growing personalities, that these people were going to want to go do their own thing. And I think a collective of everybody, everybody doing their own thing, but together as one would have been a better model forward. And whether that was like a shared equity with everybody or just a way. A way to make it so that people could build something that was their own, that they could take with them kind of thing. Because I think at a certain point, everyone was like, I want to go do this by myself. And I of all people, wanted that in my own. I finally got to do my own thing. And. And I couldn't fault someone else for wanting to go build their own thing too. Part of what made Hoonigan great was a lot of these guys had their own minds. You look at Vinny, he went to go build his thing. Hurt's doing his own thing. All these guys are doing their own thing now, every one of them. And that, I think, is something that having the hindsight there is like, if we could have figured out a better strategy, where could have been like a.

[Matt Farah]

Talent incubator for those kinds of things.

[Brian Scotto]

Or like a joint. Like a joint venture type situation where you're like, hey, you want to go do this thing? Let us support you in the early phases of it. Let's figure out a way that we can work together on it. We'll help fund it, we'll help build it. But in the end, you get to leave with it, right? And like, maybe there's some. Something there, because then I think everyone would have had a little bit more focus on what they wanted to do. And it would have allowed us to be. To extend and be broader because you could, like, hurt could just go do the grassroots drifting stuff and really live in that space and not have. Have to also service me wanting to go do stuff in muscle cars. We could have lived in a different world. I think that that's actually what fits better today. That being said, I didn't know any of that.

[Matt Farah]

Of course. That's why it be what it be. BMW i8D's nuts. What would you have realistically done if the Subaru had drifted into the water and. Or into the powerboat off the pier in the most recent video. Is there a backup car or backup plan?

[Brian Scotto]

There was no backup car, so if it sank, it was over. Luckily, that was the last shot. So we would have just called a wrap a little earlier and started the wrap party. I will say, when we.

[Matt Farah]

If the car went in the water, would you have left it in the video?

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, yeah, we. It probably would have just been the end sequence. Right. So Travis crossed over first, and then Jim York did it in the outback afterwards. Because we wanted to prove that the water was deep.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, no, I was talking. Talking about off the barge when he was. When he was drifting and he fucking rail slides the edge of the barge. Whether.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, that would have been really bad because that was the first day of.

[Matt Farah]

Filming, so intentional rail slide or.

[Brian Scotto]

No, that was intentional. We kept pushing it. We kept pushing it. Yeah. Bolt stunt for the first day, for sure. We would have drained the car and rebuilt it. So. And the team was prepared to do it. So one of the things we had told Travis in any of the water situations is if you feel yourself either starting to drown or go off, just both feet in foot off the clutch. Because not only do you want the engine to. You want to turn off the engine, but you want to stop. You want to stall it and get all the cylinders to stop so you don't suck water in and, you know, blow all the valves and hydrolock the engine. You know, it's a rally car, so you've got mil spec wiring. Most of it's waterproof. Like, they would have had to dry it out. It probably would have taken a day or two, but they would have got it back together.

[Zach Klapman]

Cool.

[Brian Scotto]

Wow. But, yeah, but, like, we had a crane there that was there ready to go. Pull it out if we needed. We had divers, so. Yeah, but we don't have. We never have a backup car. There's never a backup car.

[Zach Klapman]

That was a pretty deep board slide for a car. I mean, that was.

[Brian Scotto]

So Travis and I had this whole conversation of, can you go more than. Can you go deeper than he went before? And, like, of course, I'm not in the car, so, like, I can take the bet. I'm like, of course you can. You know how to swim, right? You know, and so he went two wheels off, and unfortunately, there was a camera below that showed both wheels off. And the GoPro died. As you hear the car coming to the edge. So you hear, like. And it just goes black, like, right as it was coming to the motor. So if you watch in the drone shot, you can see that both wheels are off. And you can see in Travis's face that he feels it go. You can see the shock in his face of like, oh, boy, I might be going off. And you can hear the revelation limiter hit because at that point, like, nothing's touching the ground.

[Zach Klapman]

If you watch the tight shot, front right wheel comes off the ground for a little bit.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. Travis points out, there's a moment where only one wheel has traction.

[Zach Klapman]

Dude. Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

The center of the car on, like, a board slide. Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Sick. Let's see. Keep going down. Keep scrolling.

[Brian Scotto]

By the way, I love seeing some names here that are also on my Patreon. So, like, like shuffle. Uh, yeah, it was also on there.

[Matt Farah]

So let's see. Come only fans.

[Brian Scotto]

Come only fans is only fans. I would pay 10 bucks a month for just, like, fresh, explicit hormone straight.

[Matt Farah]

To my delivery service.

[Brian Scotto]

Come only fans. Ken would have invested in that business. He was the biggest Hamon friend. He would go to Spain and just send me photos of like a. Of like a port of a pig's leg and be like, yeah, here you go.

[Matt Farah]

Day, every day. I'm only fans. Projects you pitched at Hoonigan that you weren't able to do, but you wish could have happened.

[Brian Scotto]

So many. Most of them were crazy road trip ideas. So, like, hey, we want to do this really, really crazy thing. And usually it was because for the whole team to be out of office for two weeks to make one YouTube episode just didn't make sense. It just wasn't feasible. I would say the ones that really stand out was, well, we were supposed to go race the Nurburgring. I talked about that on my first pod, but I would say, yeah, I don't know, maybe I don't want to say. Maybe I want to keep them. Maybe. Maybe there's ones that. Maybe there's ones I want to hold. But there was a bunch of. We tried to do Gymkhana and Monte Carlo and they turned us down, but that would have been super, super cool. We were going to do Recoil in Cuba. We ended up not doing it with bj. BJ went and did. Did it with Andy Bell at Sweatpants instead. A whole bunch of reasons. But we had this whole shoot in a different part of Cuba that never got done. And I still go back and look at the photos because I think it's one of the craziest scouts, just the capabilities of it. So one day when the border opens back up, maybe do that. And that's on the Jim films. Otherwise it was always just A crazy let's go buy a shitty car and try to get somewhere dangerous. We've done that.

[Matt Farah]

That's pretty fun.

[Brian Scotto]

It's always fun. And I don't know if it's. I think there's a smaller bit of the audience that enjoys it. It's not a million views, but it's something that, like, we always really enjoy as a group.

[Matt Farah]

All right, I'd never do this, but desmoldering rim says it's my son's 8th birthday. He's an aspiring F1 driver. Can you wish him a happy birthday? Happy birthday, Sebastian. If you've made it this far into this podcast, you're probably asleep because you're eight.

[Brian Scotto]

Happy birthday, Sebastian. And maybe you should. Is there like a non explicit version of this?

[Matt Farah]

I don't recommend you let your kids listen. David Hasselhoffmeister Kinkshame Opinion on rebadging foreign cars sold in the US to their home brand, such as Pontiac GTO or G8. And going for the Holden badging. I'm okay with that.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. I mean, I kind of love the Mercur XR4TI, which is a rebranded Sierra. And it was done at a time when the US companies were so trying to be German that they created a fake brand to import cars built in Europe as a German car to compete with BMW. It's marketing interesting and like, it seems.

[Matt Farah]

In hindsight so silly. Like they came up with like an unpronounceable fucking name that sounded close to.

[Brian Scotto]

Mercury and they were available at Mercury dealerships. And on top of all of that, now anyone who owns them rebrands them back as Fords.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. If you have one now, it probably says Sierra 500 or something. Yeah. Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

So. But I'm. I'm okay with it. I actually, I missed that era. I feel like we've gotten onto this global car world where we kind of just get a bit of everything now. And I miss there being like these weird cars in Brazil or Australia that you didn't get here. And then all of a sudden you'd get like a little peek of it. I mean, look, Chevy was never going to build the GTO for. For the American audience. They built it because they already had it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

Like we would have never gotten the GTO or the. Or the G8. And those are both fun cars.

[Matt Farah]

The G8 was a good car. The GTO I wish was just called whatever the fuck they call it in Australia. It didn't. Yeah, Monaro. Yeah. It just didn't feel like gt. Especially because Mustang had you Know, Ford.

[Brian Scotto]

Had this retro future thing that really.

[Matt Farah]

Looked like in hindsight, by comparison, it looked kind of lame. Even though it was a nice car. Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

I was in my mid-20s. It had an LS and could do donuts. I was pretty stoked.

[Matt Farah]

Right. Cayman Masayuk. Cayman Mysoc. Okay. Oh, Cayman Mysoc. Got it, Got it. You have a rally through South American country. What car would you give the 911 Dakar treatment? Oh. And what country would you want to drive in? Sorry?

[Brian Scotto]

Which car would I give the Dakar treatment. It's crazy to me. I'm just going to point this out of saying. Yeah, like, thinking of, like, something as a 911 Dakar treatment.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

It's weird because, like, yeah, like. Like the rally car Safari Respect car or something. I like the Volkswagen Quantum Synchro. It's all wheel drive. They made variants of that, like the Santana and stuff that was available in South America. So you'd be able to find parts. Volkswagens are sort of like, really big in South America, so spare parts are pretty good. And I already own one. I have a white one of those actually might have been mine, but. And it's a wagon. Like, I think wagons are, like, the best for travel. Yeah, that thing is perfect.

[Matt Farah]

It's pretty sweet.

[Brian Scotto]

It's pretty cool. So it's basically a. I would do.

[Matt Farah]

A Mercedes 500 SLC wide body rally, you know, from the 80s, the fixed roof coupe.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Rally car.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. A crazy thing that never happened at Hoonigan was we got asap. Rocky bought one and it, like, ended up at our shop. And they were like. And he was like, yeah, ASAP wants you guys to finish this. And it just never ended up happening. And, like, what happened to the car? We eventually just shipped it back to them. Like, they closed a building. Wheel pros had closed down the building. And, like, one of the last things to leave was like, ASAP's Mercedes 80s, like, in the corner. But they built a fake one for a music video. And then he was like, I want a real rally car. Like, so they sent it to us to build. And that was pretty cool.

[Matt Farah]

Those, they. I bet they drive like bleh. But they look awesome.

[Brian Scotto]

And that's all that matters. Looking cool is more important.

[Matt Farah]

All right, hang on.

[Zach Klapman]

Sorry.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, let's see. Single barrel V8 vintage. What song turns your sense sensible drive into an action movie soundtrack, making it impossible to stick to the speed limit?

[Brian Scotto]

Mine is gonna be so incredibly. Is gonna be so incredibly cliche. Okay. Motley Crue kickstart My Heart.

[Matt Farah]

All right. That is cliche. You're right.

[Brian Scotto]

It's so cliche, but it's so good. The other one is the Girl Talk soundtrack. Like, Girl Talk? Oh, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Girl Talk.

[Brian Scotto]

That's my canyon music. I don't know what it is. It just flows really well. It's like good flow. Like, I don't know if it makes me feel drive too fast, but it's like Girl Talk. Like that first. Whatever that album was like. Yeah.

[Matt Farah]

If I had to pick a one song, I would say, like, probably like Toxicity by System of a Down.

[Brian Scotto]

I could see that.

[Zach Klapman]

That'll do album. Any of them will make me.

[Matt Farah]

That'll do it for sure.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, that'll do it.

[Zach Klapman]

And cliche. But from Super Troopers, the bd Bada Boda. It's got. It's got a jam and it's got a good beat to it.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Is that it?

[Matt Farah]

One more.

[Zach Klapman]

And then this one's about Zinger. So we can save it.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, yeah. So do you want to. I can do that one. Zach's new Coilover Pothole Awareness. Can you talk about Zinger beating the Koenigsegg's sedair spear Laguna SEGA time by two seconds? Yeah. Basically, to my understanding, when they got there, when they did the previous Laguna SEGA time time, when they beat their record by only a small amount, the record that Koenigsegg had taken back from them, he, like, Joel, like, crashed the car on his, like, second lap, like, hit the. Went off and went in the tire wall and, like, fucked up the arrow a bit. And so, like, went out and managed to set a lap that did break their previous best. But it wasn't the best that they could do.

[Brian Scotto]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

It was the best that they could do on that day after having just crashed the car into a tire wall and, like, patching it up with fucking duct tape or whatever. It's a miracle they did get a lap down. But they went back and they got, I think, better weather and they had a fixed car.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah. So the timeline was in November, November 7th of this year, Koenigsegg beat Zinger's time by just six tenths of a second.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

And now Zinger went back one month later, essentially a month and a week, and beat their time by two seconds.

[Matt Farah]

Two seconds at Laguna.

[Brian Scotto]

Do you feel like this is ramping back up again, or am I just out of the. The sort of circle right now of, like, track times and also Nurburgring times? Like, do you feel like this is coming back? Because I feel like when I was at 060 was the height of the.

[Matt Farah]

Nurburgring rush, which was ZR1 GTR.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. And then obviously the Viper. Right.

[Zach Klapman]

Like, like I think ring times are still promoted and talked about as much as they were back then. I think what these folks are doing is trying to have a track besides Nurburgring that people care about. Like the fact that Koenigsegg went to Laguna and you know these guys. I mean this is Zinger's backyard more.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

But I think they're trying to establish other.

[Brian Scotto]

And a lot of people. I feel like Gunther has done some time. Like a bunch of people are trying to do that.

[Matt Farah]

I think, I think the, like it's a self perpetuating cycle. Like the more people know what a good lap time is on a track, the more people will go to that track and set a good lap time. And that will. And that happened with the nervous Urban for a while. And then they're like wait, wait, can we have an America? And they sort of. Once the Viper did the 133 and that was the special edition and then Randy beat it and did the 20. Then it was like, okay, now it's kind of on. And because Zinger's like a California company and doing this thing, they're like, all aboard Laguna.

[Zach Klapman]

Well, they need a bunch of records in a week. And I mean this is also a lot cheaper than rent. You know, if you want to close an Urban to try to set your time, hopefully the conditions are right. I think the cost is probably much higher than renting Laguna City.

[Matt Farah]

The 21C will make sound at Laguna too. It doesn't need a special exhaust like it can. You can run a quiet day. The 21C, it's not that loud, right? Yeah. So I mean, dude, what was. What is the current. What is the new time? Is it a 22? Wait, one. 22. Three, dude. At Laguna. Dude. The Viper ACR that they were selling was a 1:33. And Randy Popst in the Senna in the McLaren Senna did a 27. And this is five seconds a lap quicker than a fucking Senna. That car. And Max from Zinger hit me up and he was like, this car, this white car is going to be drivable. I was like, can I take it to the track?

[Brian Scotto]

And he was like, yeah, that's awesome.

[Matt Farah]

So I drove one of these. It was unfucking believable.

[Brian Scotto]

Dude, let me ask you a question. I'm going to maybe try to dust off my automotive journalist identification card and get it get it reinstated. I haven't driven a press car, like, other than, like, loaners I get because they're companies I work with, like, you know, Audi or like Hyundai or something like that. But what are three cars I should drive?

[Matt Farah]

Like, what.

[Brian Scotto]

Like, what are.

[Matt Farah]

Oh, this is a good one.

[Brian Scotto]

Because I'm.

[Matt Farah]

Cars you haven't.

[Brian Scotto]

And realize, like. Like, when I left. It's been so long. Like, when I left, like, the. I don't even think the C7 was launching.

[Matt Farah]

Okay.

[Zach Klapman]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Right?

[Brian Scotto]

So, like, it, like, I was like, got it. You know, like, one of last cool things I drove was the Pratt Miller race car. Right. Like, that's the end of my era. I started tuning in with Ken in 2010. So, like 2009 is like my cutoff. What are the. Like. And things have so changed. Like, what are those, like, three cars? They're like, you really need to experience this.

[Matt Farah]

Okay. I mean, if you can get in this. This is.

[Brian Scotto]

This almost seems like too crazy, but.

[Matt Farah]

You probably could get a drive in it. This is bananas. This is the differentest thing that is out there.

[Brian Scotto]

Right.

[Matt Farah]

Let's see. You should also draw. Oh, this is a great question.

[Zach Klapman]

I think you should drive, I would say this, a Lucid Sapphire.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah. Or a Tige Taycan Turbo gt.

[Zach Klapman]

Or that. Because the magic suspension, like, drive the fastest, most advanced ev just to say, see where they're at.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

And then either like a 911ST, because it's like new but sort of retro.

[Matt Farah]

Or. Or the new Turbo S, like hybrid. Or a ZR Corvette ZR1, you know?

[Zach Klapman]

Well, I think the ZR1's almost too close to this because they're both insane power. But the Z06, I think is interesting because looks like Corvette. Feels like Corvette. Sounds like Ferrari.

[Brian Scotto]

Right.

[Zach Klapman]

And it's almost like here's how inexpensive relatively performance has gotten. Because last time you had a price.

[Brian Scotto]

I had a C8 for a year.

[Zach Klapman]

Oh, you did.

[Brian Scotto]

So, yeah. That is a pretty amazing platform considering the price.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

What they've done with that.

[Zach Klapman]

So, yeah.

[Matt Farah]

Then I think, yeah, 911st, a zinger and a. Either a Lucid Sapphire or a Taycan Turbo gt.

[Zach Klapman]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

The guys from Lucid actually reached out to me, maybe because I was on this pod, but I was just saying that I didn't really find, you know, EVs to be fun to drive because they don't handle. And they reached out to me and said, hey, you need to drive this now.

[Matt Farah]

No, they do. There's a lot of criticisms of EVs but the ones that are really fast, they fucking handle. And the other one you should try is the Mach E Rally which is like has unbelievable body control and you can fucking rotate it on dirt.

[Brian Scotto]

I'll clip from you on Spectacular.

[Matt Farah]

They're the jam. If I, if I couldn't get my car sorted into Ice Race I was going to call Ford and see if they would give me a Mach E Rally for that. But, but Manx will be more fun.

[Brian Scotto]

When do you think the, the Mustang Raptor is going to make. Do you think that's actually coming to the Mustang? Yeah, I don't know.

[Matt Farah]

It'll be cool. They should.

[Brian Scotto]

I think it'd be bad.

[Matt Farah]

They should. Absolutely should. Well and you know Jamal Hamidi has left Jaguar Land Rover and is developing an off road supercar under his own brand now, supposedly.

[Brian Scotto]

Wow.

[Matt Farah]

Do you. Is there actually, is this a real rumor that there's going to be a Mustang Raptor?

[Brian Scotto]

Really? It's a real rumor.

[Matt Farah]

Really.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. And I've like spoken to people internal who are saying that like yeah, it's, it's happening. Raptor has done so well.

[Matt Farah]

Yeah.

[Brian Scotto]

They've seen the opportunity with like Dakar and you know all this that for them there's an audience to that would want this at maybe a lower price point or entry point and it works really well.

[Matt Farah]

That would be amazing.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah.

[Zach Klapman]

Like that would be a fun car across South America, you know, rally car.

[Matt Farah]

That would be an amazing time. Dude, I'll be so good. I love that good time.

[Zach Klapman]

I'll take that to Ice Race.

[Matt Farah]

Scotto's podcast is on your YouTube channel and wherever people get podcasts. Yeah. Search Brian Scott.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah, it's called very vehicular. That's it.

[Matt Farah]

Not vehicular. Man's laughter. That'll be our very particular Scotto Ho. Scotto podcast.

[Brian Scotto]

Yeah. You see where it's coming. Leave the door open. Leaving the door open. There'll be like 19 of them. None of them will ever finish. I'll have 25 podcasts. Only half of them run but you know, for a long time.

[Matt Farah]

Well two and a half hours. They don't all have to be records but they can.

[Brian Scotto]

I don't want to set another record. I let the record stand. Breaking your own record is obnoxious.

[Matt Farah]

Bright zinger.

[Brian Scotto]

Gotta let other people come in. Well, they like Tony's a coming top yourself.

[Matt Farah]

Thanks buddy. Good luck. Good luck getting home in that S8.

[Brian Scotto]

It was making some weird noises but we'll figure it out.

[Matt Farah]

They all do that. See the rest. See the rest. Of you all next week. Bye.